Cryptozoology

Started by Ratchetcomand, Mar 07, 2010, 09:34:24 PM

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OmegaZilla

OmegaZilla

#30
Quote from: maledoro on Mar 07, 2010, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:37:01 PM
Sometimes they bring up ridicolous theories (like when they said the Chupacabras was a creation of the Aliens....)
Why is that idea any more ridiculous than other ideas about cupacabras?
They bring Aliens up everywhere, and it gets annoying.

Ratchetcomand

Ratchetcomand

#31
Chupacabra might be a Alien or a some type of lost project from the Goverment IMO.

That Yellow Alien

That Yellow Alien

#32
Ok...

Puks

Puks

#33
How about we focus on actual animal species of which there are still thousands, even millions of unknown to science and a lot of them get extinct before they are discovered?

How about that instead of a wild goose chase?

ShadowStalker

ShadowStalker

#34
Well wether or not you want to considered eyewitnesses credible, its hard to ingore the fact that over years there is sighting of unknown creatures out there. If people say oh there are mistaken for seeing something else i almost find that a little stupid.  Every since times of Native Americans and even further back there has been witnesses, and written down documents of sightings and strange happenings.

Puks

Puks

#35
I'll personally apologize to every living cryptozoologist when they find, capture and examine an actual cryptid.

But it ain't gonna happen.

ShadowStalker

ShadowStalker

#36
Well never know it could very well happen. Why exactly do you think it will never happen? because there hasn't been any hard prove evidence yet?

The PredBen

The PredBen

#37
Roger Patterson never said the footage was faked.

He swore on his death bed it was real.

Also as for the guy who claimed he portrayed the Bigfoot he couldn't even find the spot in which the bigfoot was filmed.Lame.


MadassAlex

MadassAlex

#38
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Mar 08, 2010, 06:48:41 PM
Chupacabra might be a Alien or a some type of lost project from the Goverment IMO.

Or mangy dogs.

The descriptions of chupacabra actually fit that of a very ill dog with mange. The behaviour is even similar.

The PredBen

The PredBen

#39
There is no point defending Crptozology.

For every person who does you've got 10 who don't.

MadassAlex

MadassAlex

#40
There's no point in defending cryptozoology because it isn't based on scientific methods.

I agree that it's good to have an open mind -- within reason. There are still animal species that have not yet been found on this planet. But they're probably not much like Mothman.

The PredBen

The PredBen

#41
Fair enough.

Mothman isn't even a Cryptid under most Cryptozologists although he may be something they believe is real.

He is often sited as an " alien " or " dimensional higher being ".

Humanity doesn't know everything. We shouldn't judge other species ( aliens ) by our standards.

They could travel past the speed of light. We can't so we judge them on our standards.

MadassAlex

MadassAlex

#42
We have no idea if they exist to begin with. But just because they might exist doesn't mean our standards don't apply. Even if they did exist, it still doesn't mean our standards don't apply, unless there was some incredible discrepancy between us and them that breaks science as we know it.

The PredBen

The PredBen

#43
Okay ... obviously there must be something else that has evovled to our level of intelligence or higher.

In our Galaxy alone we have over 10 million planets like Earth. At least some of them must have life ... and that life ... possibly being older then us has evolved.

In this universe there are millions of Galaxies. Each one has millions of planets if not billions. Couldn't one have intellient life?

Because science shows there is a 99.9% chance of there being other life outside of Earth. And well over a 90% chance of other intelligent life.

And they could not even be Carbon based like ourselves. How about they're made of lets say Nitrogen based material vs our carbon based ones? Why do they needs Earths " conditions " anyway?

maledoro

maledoro

#44
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 08, 2010, 02:12:44 PM
There is evidence for Bigfoot though! Someone found a moular of an animal and it is sited as being " unknown " as a finger print expert saw a supposed bigfoot hand caste and couldn't identify it. He said it could be a Gorilla but he couldn't tell. He also noted it wasn't a hoax unless a hoaxer had access to large primates needed to make this type of print.
Ben, as I had mentioned too many times before: "Unknown" does not equal evident. If they don't know what those things are, then they're just filling holes with anything. You can't say that they're attributed to Bigfoot unless you have an original to compare them to, and there hasn't been a Bigfoot that has been properly studied.

Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 08, 2010, 02:12:44 PM
Just asking you Mal , do you believe it is possible Bigfoot is real , or that there is no chance of it being real.
Not really, considering that the son of the guy who had started the Bigfoot phenomena confessed to it being a hoax:
QuoteAccording to Michael Wallace, Bigfoot is a hoax that was launched in August 1958 by his father Ray L. Wallace (1918-2002), an inveterate prankster. Shortly after Ray's death, Michael revealed the details of the hoax, which were reported widely in the press. Ray had a friend carve him 16-inch-long feet  that he could  strap on and make prints with. Wallace owned a construction company that built logging roads at the time and he set the prints around one of his bulldozers in Humboldt County. Jerry Crew, a bulldozer operator, reported the prints and The Humboldt Times ran a front-page story about "Bigfoot." The legend was born. However, a former logger, 71-year-old John Auman, claims Wallace left the giant footprints to scare away thieves and vandals who'd been targeting his vehicles. His hoaxes didn't begin until after he'd seen what a stir he'd created.

Over the years, Ray Wallace produced Bigfoot audio recordings, films, and photographs. At one time, he even put out a press release offering $1 million for a baby Bigfoot. He published one of his photos as a poster depicting Bigfoot having lunch with other animals. He also published photos and films of Bigfeet eating elk, frogs, and cereal. Michael Wallace claims that his mother told him that she participated in some of the pranks and had been photographed in a Bigfoot suit. Chorvinsky claims that Ray told him that the Patterson film was a hoax and that he had alerted Patterson of the sighting at Bluff Creek. According to Chorvinsky, Ray knew who was in the Patterson suit, but said he had nothing to do with it (Young, Bob. 2002. "Lovable trickster created a monster with Bigfoot hoax," The Seattle Times, December 5).

http://www.skepdic.com/bigfoot.html


Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 08, 2010, 02:54:29 PM
@ Mal.

They thought it was a Barn Owl because they are fairly large ( Mothman was reported 6'5" - 7'0" and a 12 foot wingspan. ) at 3'0" standing and with a rather larger wingspan. Also because their eyes reflect red in the night like Mothmans.

It comes down to weather the Eyewitnesses were lying or not. To me they seemed crediable.
First of all, perception plays alot into it. From a distance, in the dark, something with huge reflecting eyes is gonna look different and may have an appearance of a 7' creature. The eyewitnesses may not have been lying, but they may have mistook what they had seen.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 03:06:09 PM
They bring Aliens up everywhere, and it gets annoying.
So, just because you're annoyed, it makes something more or less credible?

Quote from: ShadowStalker on Mar 08, 2010, 09:33:11 PM
Well wether or not you want to considered eyewitnesses credible, its hard to ingore the fact that over years there is sighting of unknown creatures out there. If people say oh there are mistaken for seeing something else i almost find that a little stupid.  Every since times of Native Americans and even further back there has been witnesses, and written down documents of sightings and strange happenings.
It's hard to ignore all that, but the jigsaw puzzle is still missing pieces. As for your definition of "stupid", you think that it's better to invent a creature that hasn't been properly identified? You might rethink that.

Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 09, 2010, 12:09:42 AM
Fair enough.

Mothman isn't even a Cryptid under most Cryptozologists although he may be something they believe is real.

He is often sited as an " alien " or " dimensional higher being ".

Humanity doesn't know everything. We shouldn't judge other species ( aliens ) by our standards.

They could travel past the speed of light. We can't so we judge them on our standards.
It's amazing how you (and others) know so much about creatures that haven't been studied. The common folk know more about these creatures and physics than educated scientists? Chew on that for a while...

Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 09, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
Okay ... obviously there must be something else that has evovled to our level of intelligence or higher.
But there is no proof.

Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 09, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
In our Galaxy alone we have over 10 million planets like Earth. At least some of them must have life ... and that life ... possibly being older then us has evolved.
You have no way of knowing that.

Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 09, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
In this universe there are millions of Galaxies. Each one has millions of planets if not billions. Couldn't one have intellient life?
Possibly, but there are other factors that you ignore.

Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 09, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
Because science shows there is a 99.9% chance of there being other life outside of Earth. And well over a 90% chance of other intelligent life.
Where do you get that?!

Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 09, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
And they could not even be Carbon based like ourselves. How about they're made of lets say Nitrogen based material vs our carbon based ones? Why do they needs Earths " conditions " anyway?
You need to read up on real science.

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