https://youtu.be/k8oyK8zz8QE?si=VZqUXSdWRIor3zAZ
https://twitter.com/verge/status/1734251833130971283
This entire topic could just be Musk.
Was quite suprised when I opened this thread and saw nothing of British politics
https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1736389626162491643
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1738196121166454819
@SiL https://twitter.com/technology/status/1742636873258762279
https://twitter.com/technology/status/1742217291490631908
Let's be honest: who gives a f**k about Musk? :) He's done.
I came here to write and read something positive about Elon Musk.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 03, 2024, 10:10:37 PMLet's be honest: who gives a f**k about Musk? :) He's done.
Just wait until Twitter gets truly weaponized in the run up to the US election.
So be it. Paradoxically speaking if X gets weaponized in US election ... then it will hit back against it. If I did live in US, again paradoxically, I would like Trump to win, because his presidency would single-handedly damage Republican party.
To quote classic sci-fi movie: Sometimes to create, one must first destroy ;D
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 03, 2024, 10:32:58 PMTo quote classic sci-fi movie: Sometimes to create, one must first destroy ;D
Rebel Moon?
Come on!
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 03, 2024, 10:10:37 PMLet's be honest: who gives a f**k about Musk? :) He's done.
OK but how about his employees? Dude illegal fired a worker because he was concerned about his workplace. This is Oceangate all over again.
That's why I said he's done. He did it to himself. People overestimate him. Don't use twitter/X and totally ignore him. Just f**k him.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 03, 2024, 11:12:12 PMThat's why I said he's done. He did it to himself. People overestimate him. Don't use twitter/X and totally ignore him. Just f**k him.
I agree I believe that he needs to step down from his company.
He won't.
I think the goal is to turn the platform into a multi-function one, with financing, banking, investing, commerce, and video/audio for news, marketing, conferencing, etc. I think that was his plan for x.com but the tech needed wasn't in place yet.
It's similar with Meta, e.g., Facebook with Instagram and Reels, etc.
The business part alone, with even something like B2B, might allow for more subscription and less reliance on advertising. Also, subscription or even ID verification might prevent 'bots.
One catch is that advertisers don't want certain content. For example, they don't want their promoted tweets shown alongside those showing dead Palestinian kids.
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 04, 2024, 02:11:36 AMI think the goal is to turn the platform into a multi-function one, with financing, banking, investing, commerce, and video/audio for news, marketing, conferencing, etc.
That might be a plan but if he continues what he's doing then he will keep losing investors and so on.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2024, 01:59:28 PMQuote from: ralfy on Jan 04, 2024, 02:11:36 AMI think the goal is to turn the platform into a multi-function one, with financing, banking, investing, commerce, and video/audio for news, marketing, conferencing, etc.
That might be a plan but if he continues what he's doing then he will keep losing investors and so on.
Didn't he go private with Twitter?
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 05, 2024, 01:24:38 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2024, 01:59:28 PMQuote from: ralfy on Jan 04, 2024, 02:11:36 AMI think the goal is to turn the platform into a multi-function one, with financing, banking, investing, commerce, and video/audio for news, marketing, conferencing, etc.
That might be a plan but if he continues what he's doing then he will keep losing investors and so on.
Didn't he go private with Twitter?
Investors in the sense of people who pay to have advertising on the site (his primary source of income for Twitter), which have been fleeing in droves.
https://twitter.com/VICE/status/1742561161680158976
Elon Musk is like a movie villain
It just never end with this man
I am surprised that Elon Musk reputation fell so quickly after he bought Twitter.
It was falling ever since he called the Thai rescue diver a pedophile for pointing out how dumb Musk's mini sub solution was.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1745558527567941967 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1745558527567941967)
Evil Elon, did he orchestrate the coalitions' strike against the Houthis?
I think his reputation fell with the ones who were previously exploiting the platform. But the former owners are happy because they got a good deal for it, except probably for former employees who came up with alternative platforms that may be floundering.
Meanwhile, it looks like X is mirroring Meta, with other platforms, like Reddit, considering similar strategies, like charging third parties for scraping their data and looking at the possibility of having subscription schemes to counter lack of advertising revenues due to content that companies don't like (e.g., before Musk took over, child porn, and after that, images and videos of dead Palestinian children) and 'bots.
@SiL https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1749545315210809372
Is he that dumb or does he think everyone else is that dumb.
The first one.
He's not some shit poster who is deliberately provocative to 'trigger teh libs'. Socially he really is that dumb.
https://twitter.com/bbcworldservice/status/1752347716699422791
https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/1752473607874216123
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1754961191812948248
Don't make me agree with Thunderfoot.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 05, 2024, 02:56:04 AMElon Musk is like a movie villain
movie villains usually are semi competent, are smart or have tragic backstories
Musk is just a shitty guy who steals/buys ideas and got carried by daddy's money his whole life, worshiped by losers who defend him for the simple fact that he is rich
Musk is such a frustrating person. On one hand I think some of the stuff he's doing with robotics, SpaceX, and especially Neurolink are really cool and interesting. But then on the other hand he will say some of the dumbest things possible.
https://twitter.com/AlexBondODUA/status/1755200080338952324 (https://twitter.com/AlexBondODUA/status/1755200080338952324)
dat son of a who**
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 07, 2024, 01:07:49 AMMusk is such a frustrating person.
He's a petulant dipshit is what he is.
Question is, who riles up
@SiL the most?
1. Elon Musk
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2. Me
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:)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2024, 06:11:55 PMQuote from: MaineXeno on Feb 07, 2024, 01:07:49 AMMusk is such a frustrating person.
He's a petulant dipshit is what he is.
He's just built different.
Like an awkward, doughy refrigerator.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 08, 2024, 06:44:06 PMQuestion is, who riles up @SiL the most?
Neither of you rile me up as much as I riled you up by saying
Blade Runner is overrated.
That was a fun time.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.msg2571301#msg2571301
Huh, 8th saying the dumbest shit to defend things goes back further than I remember.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2024, 10:51:09 PMThat was a fun time.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.msg2571301#msg2571301
Another of your "episodes"?
Quote from: kwisatz on Feb 08, 2024, 10:55:19 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2024, 10:51:09 PMThat was a fun time.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.msg2571301#msg2571301
Another of your "episodes"?
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Blade Runner is still a boring movie that deserved to bomb when it came out.
Uh-oh
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2024, 11:03:30 PMBlade Runner is still a boring movie that deserved to bomb when it came out.
I protest that
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2024, 10:58:59 PMQuote from: kwisatz on Feb 08, 2024, 10:55:19 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2024, 10:51:09 PMThat was a fun time.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.msg2571301#msg2571301
Another of your "episodes"?
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMXEyMGRtNGJyMDFxOGZsZnExanU4dmNrNjdiZXYycHpuaG9xYTJvOCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/vwTfxvuiHOi7C/giphy.gif
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Kinda glad I decided to stay to stay out of Palestine/Israel debates long time ago since it's already ripping my family and my circle of friends apart ha :/
Quote from: kwisatz on Feb 08, 2024, 11:13:40 PMQuote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2024, 11:03:30 PMBlade Runner is still a boring movie that deserved to bomb when it came out.
I protest that
This is fair.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2024, 10:51:09 PMThat was a fun time.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.msg2571301#msg2571301
lol I even went so far as to click 'Show me the post' on some posts to see some people say 'don't put it in the newspaper that I got mad'.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2024, 10:51:09 PMThat was a fun time.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.msg2571301#msg2571301
SiL didn't like Blade Runner before, but imagine him sitting down to watch it now and start fuming everytime Roy Batty pops up. ;D
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Rutger Hauer is the best thing in that movie. Deckard entering the derelict hotel to Batty's death is the only thing I love about any version of the movie.
I prefer it with the Planet of the Apes temp track, but that's neither here nor there.
SiL only loves that sequence because it involves a nail.
Quote from: kwisatz on Feb 10, 2024, 10:36:50 AMSiL only loves that sequence because it involves a nail.
A nail that makes sense!
(https://i.imgur.com/Dsc9s3I.jpeg)
https://twitter.com/steinkobbe/status/1757588597815799843
@SiL https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1758620221705736266
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1758230628355485979
The Leopards For Eating Faces party claims another voter
@SiL https://twitter.com/qz/status/1762207683732734238
Isn't that just any day ending in 'y' working for him?
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1763569479165092155
https://twitter.com/verge/status/1763577907375489223
Well, he would know all about that
@SiL https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1766964360830652798
So why didn't Barbie sweep the awards?
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 06, 2024, 02:58:45 PMWell, he would know all about that
Going to Mars, self driving cars - Elno is suing for trademark infringement.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2024, 07:40:23 AMSo why didn't Barbie sweep the awards?
Would it convince you if it happened?
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 12, 2024, 11:00:31 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2024, 07:40:23 AMSo why didn't Barbie sweep the awards?
Would it convince you if it happened?
No, because what he said was a) moronic and b) edited from the original where he said "quisling".
Quote from: SiL on Mar 12, 2024, 12:37:11 PMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 12, 2024, 11:00:31 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2024, 07:40:23 AMSo why didn't Barbie sweep the awards?
Would it convince you if it happened?
No, because what he said was a) moronic and b) edited from the original where he said "quisling".
Don't know about that Sil...but Hollywood is kind of high on woke Inebriation.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2024/01/02/hollywood-disney-bob-iger-woke-oscars-awards-2024/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2024/01/02/hollywood-disney-bob-iger-woke-oscars-awards-2024/)
So why didn't Barbie win?
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 12, 2024, 06:50:38 PMHollywood is kind of high on woke Inebriation
You are now aware that most people are absolutely fine with the politics, and at
worst, just dislike examples of it that are obvious lazy pandering rather than good faith effort.
f**king hell - another one?
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Quote from: SiL on Mar 12, 2024, 08:21:04 PMSo why didn't Barbie win?
It would be too obvious?
Not every box would be ticked ... regardless of the Oscars the recent slew of movies have made it evident.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 03:26:02 AMIt would be too obvious?
Not every box would be ticked ... regardless of the Oscars the recent slew of movies have made it evident.
Ah, of course! Evidence against the conspiracy is actually just proof of the conspiracy!
Heaven forbid Elon is just full of shit like always.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 05:42:24 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 03:26:02 AMIt would be too obvious?
Not every box would be ticked ... regardless of the Oscars the recent slew of movies have made it evident.
Ah, of course! Evidence against the conspiracy is actually just proof of the conspiracy!
Heaven forbid Elon is just full of shit like always.
No!
Hollywood wokeness is not a conspiracy , its as palpable as it can be.
Hollywood now looks like a pretentious ruse to propagate agenda and reward it with Oscars.
Movies wouldn't strive to be more "multiculturally sensitive" if it didn't think there's a remuneration for it.
As for Elon, his achievements far exceeds his eloquence...but there is a bad reputation of how he treats his employees.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 06:23:45 AMAs for Elon, his achievements far exceeds his eloquence...
Would you say he's the Henry Ford of our time?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 07:13:55 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 06:23:45 AMAs for Elon, his achievements far exceeds his eloquence...
Would you say he's the Henry Ford of our time?
Elon is much more eccentric, i guess.
P.s.
U seem to like 'Fords', bet u own one too ;)
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 06:23:45 AMNo!
Hollywood wokeness is not a conspiracy , its as palpable as it can be.
Hollywood now looks like a pretentious ruse to propagate agenda and reward it with Oscars.
Hollywood has always pushed an agenda, the only difference is the current agenda involves acting like people who aren't straight white men aren't just props.
QuoteAs for Elon, his achievements far exceeds his eloquence...but there is a bad reputation of how he treats his employees.
Considering his achievements are buying other people's businesses and claiming credit, that's a terribly low bar he's cleared.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 07:13:55 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 06:23:45 AMAs for Elon, his achievements far exceeds his eloquence...
Would you say he's the Henry Ford of our time?
Think that's unsurprisingly sailed right over old mates head.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 09:25:49 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 06:23:45 AMNo!
Hollywood wokeness is not a conspiracy , its as palpable as it can be.
Hollywood now looks like a pretentious ruse to propagate agenda and reward it with Oscars.
QuoteHollywood has always pushed an agenda, the only difference is the current agenda involves acting like people who aren't straight white men aren't just props.Quoterightfully meant to be called out on so!
QuoteAs for Elon, his achievements far exceeds his eloquence...but there is a bad reputation of how he treats his employees.
Considering his achievements are buying other people's businesses and claiming credit, that's a terribly low bar he's cleared.
But he did it with his own non-inherited money...he earnt his fortune..Im pretty sure he has more than just bought other businesses.
Maybe he's the most socially awkward person, but lets credit the man where it's due.
Quote from: SM on Mar 13, 2024, 12:04:56 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 07:13:55 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 13, 2024, 06:23:45 AMAs for Elon, his achievements far exceeds his eloquence...
Would you say he's the Henry Ford of our time?
Think that's unsurprisingly sailed right over old mates head.
Humble enough to ask why so, please enlighten us common peasants...
hope its not about his Anti Semitic stance(i just read about it)..If so that's a poor parallel to draw!
He inherited a great deal of money and used it to get started.
Also the antisemitism.
https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1768026792864960880
Race to the bottom with Trump in the 'don't put in the paper i got mad' stakes.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 08:15:50 PMHe inherited a great deal of money and used it to get started.
Great deal of money to the richest person in the world...not easy mate.
Honestly asking...apart from him acting poorly on social media...what do u hate or dislike him for?
Quote from: SM on Mar 13, 2024, 09:10:36 PMAlso the antisemitism.
Yes he is totally wrong there and deserves to be called out for that ...but that alone...
But the diatribe against his past laurels is unnecessary.
Name a laurel he didn't buy off someone.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 06:29:29 AMHonestly asking...apart from him acting poorly on social media...what do u hate or dislike him for?
There is no ethical way to become a billionaire. Especially when you're anti-union.
QuoteYes he is totally wrong there and deserves to be called out for that ...but that alone...
Not for giving other antisemites a platform? Along with his anti-trans behaviour? Spreading misinformation?
I also love the tantrum he's throwing trying to sue OpenAI because they wouldn't let him buy it and fold it into Tesla.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:11:05 AMAlong with his anti-trans behaviour? Spreading misinformation?
Oh yeah, that.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 06:40:04 AMName a laurel he didn't buy off someone.
"Buy Off"...there's a specific thing required to do that.
Don't go on about how it was handed over from his parents.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:11:05 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 06:29:29 AMHonestly asking...apart from him acting poorly on social media...what do u hate or dislike him for?
There is no ethical way to become a billionaire. Especially when you're anti-union.
QuoteYes he is totally wrong there and deserves to be called out for that ...but that alone...
Not for giving other antisemites a platform? Along with his anti-trans behaviour? Spreading misinformation?
I also love the tantrum he's throwing trying to sue OpenAI because they wouldn't let him buy it and fold it into Tesla.
Giving antisemites a platform?, its not like a invitation given out there is it?
Its just that antisemitism is on the rise; also, contrary to popular beliefs about X here:
https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/understanding-antisemitism-on-twitter-after-musk/ (https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/understanding-antisemitism-on-twitter-after-musk/)
Anti-trans ? the Documentary he promoted?. Even though its a touchy subject people mostly tend to stand on either side of that argument; personally i don't entirely believe in the dilution of understanding the science on binary sex but i wont berate the people who do.
Open-Ai lawsuit is funny though.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 07:36:39 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 06:40:04 AMName a laurel he didn't buy off someone.
"Buy Off"...there's a specific thing required to do that.
Don't go on about how it was handed over from his parents.
Well how else did he get the start up money to begin buying things? And that's a lame deflection anyway. He buys shit that's already functional or 90% of the way there, adds his money to a distribution network, then takes full credit.
QuoteAnti-trans ? the Documentary he promoted?
No, his sperging out over getting cucked by chelsea manning and one of his kids trooning leading him to go full JKR anti-trans for quite a while.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 07:36:39 AM"Buy Off"...there's a specific thing required to do that.
Don't go on about how it was handed over from his parents.
He used the money to buy into projects that scaled and he sold in order to buy off other projects.
It's easy to take high reward risks when you've got a safety net.
QuoteAnti-trans ? the Documentary he promoted?. Even though its a touchy subject people mostly tend to stand on either side of that argument;
Only one side gets people killed.
Quotepersonally i don't entirely believe in the dilution of understanding the science on binary sex but i wont berate the people who do.
Sex in humans isn't strictly binary and gender isn't sex.
QuoteName a laurel he didn't buy off someone.
"Buy Off"...there's a specific thing required to do that.
Don't go on about how it was handed over from his parents.
QuoteWell how else did he get the start up money to begin buying things? And that's a lame deflection anyway. He buys shit that's already functional or 90% of the way there, adds his money to a distribution network, then takes full credit.
why don't you try it then at whatever scale u seem plausible.
Its rather a lame assumption buddy..
https://marketrealist.com/p/was-elon-musk-born-rich/#:~:text=Musk%20didn't%20get%20his,had%20%24100%2C000%20in%20student%20debt.
Before anyone accuses me of posting random articles to support my argument, we don't know the people about whom we are arguing about personally, reading articles and multiple sources is all we have.
QuoteQuoteAnti-trans ? the Documentary he promoted?
No, his sperging out over getting cucked by chelsea manning and one of his kids trooning leading him to go full JKR anti-trans for quite a while.
Getting cucked ? Chelsea manning ? you are scraping the bottom of the barrel here, they had a weird relationship for sure and there were some weird way they handled it but simmer down man!
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:00:14 AMwhy don't you try it then at whatever scale u seem plausible.
... do you think he's just got shitloads of unearned money lying around?
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:00:14 AMGetting cucked ? Chelsea manning ? you are scraping the bottom of the barrel here, they had a weird relationship for sure and there were some weird way they handled it but simmer down man!
He literally got mad about trans stuff out of nowhere when his ex shacked up with a trans woman, so... yeah? Big cuck energy.
QuoteIt's easy to take high reward risks when you've got a safety net.
Did you even read the article posted, why is everyone assuming he bought his fourtune?
QuoteOnly one side gets people killed.
Factually wrong!
QuoteSex in humans isn't strictly binary and gender isn't sex.
I stand corrected on the term Gender, but Sex is definitely and strictly Binary, unless you are talking about the other variations which 'the people on the other' side aren't!!(like Trisomies)
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 08:01:57 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:00:14 AMwhy don't you try it then at whatever scale u seem plausible.
... do you think he's just got shitloads of unearned money lying around?
"whatever scale u seem plausible"
and why do u presume he doesn't?
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:40:00 AMFactually wrong!
Who did the gays and trannies kill?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 08:42:47 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:40:00 AMFactually wrong!
Who did the gays and trannies kill?
Their own! Also remember , most groups on either side are often misrepresented by fanatics of their own, see through them!
now i can almost be sure all the opiniated people on this subject haven't even watched the documentary !
So let me ask you this what are your views on gender affirming surgery for kids?
QuoteBig cuck energy
u forgot to remove the "big"
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:51:21 AMSo let me ask you this what are your views on gender affirming surgery for kids?
Give me an example of sexual reassignment surgery happening to a kid without mentioning John Money.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:40:00 AMI stand corrected on the term Gender, but Sex is definitely and strictly Binary, unless you are talking about the other variations which 'the people on the other' side aren't!!(like Trisomies)
Come on dude, read what you're writing.
And it's not even just chromosomes. Intersex people can have only XX or XY and
still end up with both testicular and ovarian tissue - sometimes in the same gonad, sometimes one of each.
The only people who say "biology says there are only two sexes!" are people who don't at all know the biology.
Quote"whatever scale u seem plausible"
and why do u presume he doesn't?
The plausible scale would be beyond his means, which I know because I've spent more than twelve seconds talking to the guy over the last however many years.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:51:20 AMLet me ask you this what are your views on gender affirming surgery for kids?
Mandatory.
Based
Well yes, genuinely in the case of blockers, in terms of available affirming care.
Unfortunately we are going backwards currently.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 14, 2024, 09:12:10 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:51:20 AMLet me ask you this what are your views on gender affirming surgery for kids?
Mandatory.
Could you elaborate ? I don't think I quite get what you mean
See above. Puberty blockers and/or hormone therapy, should be more widely available earlier to more people, I believe was the point.
QuoteCome on dude, read what you're writing.
I definitely am Sil
QuoteAnd it's not even just chromosomes. Intersex people can have only XX or XY and still end up with both testicular and ovarian tissue - sometimes in the same gonad, sometimes one of each.
I never said it's "Just" about chromosomes i stand corrected if i implied so, this "Sometimes" is 20 to 80 times less common than the XXY chromosomes. what i meant was technically , yes there are exceptions and biological abnormalities, but the trans movement and what they are doing to the society isn't about this at all.
People who so sincerely defend this point miss the actual difference between Trans and hermaphrodites
QuoteThe only people who say "biology says there are only two sexes!" are people who don't at all know the biology.
It is factual to say it because Primarily there are only two! the other variations which do exist are explained in the reference to the primary sexes itself.
Quote"whatever scale u seem plausible"
and why do u presume he doesn't?
QuoteThe plausible scale would be beyond his means, which I know because I've spent more than twelve seconds talking to the guy over the last however many years.
And how much have you spent with Elon ? to know he had "unearned money", when there are multiple articles which do say he actually didn't
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 14, 2024, 09:12:10 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:51:20 AMLet me ask you this what are your views on gender affirming surgery for kids?
Mandatory.
WOW!
What should be mandatory is watching that docu.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 09:37:10 AMthe trans movement and what they are doing to the society
Alright, what are they doing?
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 09:37:10 AMwhat i meant was technically , yes there are exceptions
So it's not strictly binary, which you said.
QuotePeople who so sincerely defend this point miss the actual difference between Trans and hermaphrodites
One is gender and one is sex and that's not lost on anyone.
QuoteIt is factual to say it because Primarily there are only two! the other variations which do exist are explained in the reference to the primary sexes itself.
The variations are naturally occurring in humans and all sexually reproducing species. That there is mostly a binary doesn't mean it's factual to say it's strictly a binary. It's just wrong.
There are more than two sexes, the end.
QuoteAnd how much have you spent with Elon ? to know he had "unearned money", when there are multiple articles which do say he actually didn't
His own father called him out on his bullshit when Elon offered a reward for anyone who could prove he had inherited wealth.
Musk seemed to drop trying to say he was self made after that.
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Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 09:41:44 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 09:37:10 AMwhat i meant was technically , yes there are exceptions
So it's not strictly binary, which you said.
I also said primarily there are two sexes, to further explain the other variations are based of the binary.
Its XY XX XXY XYY XXX and XO(O is to signify absence of Y and not get confused )...how many different alphabets are used here?
QuoteOne is gender and one is sex and that's not lost on anyone.
you will be surprised on that!
QuoteThe variations are naturally occurring in humans and all sexually reproducing species. That there is mostly a binary doesn't mean it's factual to say it's strictly a binary. It's just wrong.
There are more than two sexes, the end.
"That there is mostly a binary doesn't mean it's factual to say it's strictly a binary".. Did i say that?
QuoteHis own father called him out on his bullshit when Elon offered a reward for anyone who could prove he had inherited wealth.
Musk seemed to drop trying to say he was self made after that.
There is more than enough sources to disregard the claim that he inherited a fortune.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 09:39:04 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 09:37:10 AMthe trans movement and what they are doing to the society
Alright, what are they doing?
This should help you
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 09:36:32 AMSee above. Puberty blockers and/or hormone therapy, should be more widely available earlier to more people, I believe was the point.
As in, children should be allowed to undergo such operations if they express a desire to do so ?
The fact this has happened multiple times now on this obscure forum, just goes to show how widespread the fear and hate mongering for certain subaltern has become.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 10:19:46 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 09:36:32 AMSee above. Puberty blockers and/or hormone therapy, should be more widely available earlier to more people, I believe was the point.
As in, children should be allowed to undergo such operations if they express a desire to do so ?
Neither of those are operations, they're pills or injections that delay or alter puberty.
Fair enough, but the rest of my question ?
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:08:29 AM"That there is mostly a binary doesn't mean it's factual to say it's strictly a binary".. Did i say that?
Yes.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:40:00 AMI stand corrected on the term Gender, but Sex is definitely and strictly Binary, unless you are talking about the other variations which 'the people on the other' side aren't!!(like Trisomies)
It's not strictly a binary, as you claim. Things which aren't part of the binary being classified against the binary is just how classifications work - we need to compare things to define them.
There being two sex determining chromosomes in humans doesn't mean there's not more than two options or the other options don't somehow count or are lesser.
Please think about what you're saying. "There is only a binary except for when there's not" means there's not actually a binary.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 10:14:30 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:08:29 AMThis should help you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3T_QpR4FhU
>heritage foundation sponsored
QuoteSo the content of the video is invalid?
Lmao you absolute f**king clown, you're sucking more far-right dick than the gays you're upset about.
If this is how u misread, i pity you!
Obviously understanding how big of an issue this is, let's still please keep the disagreements level headed without resorting to insults.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 10:24:45 AMFair enough, but the rest of my question ?
If we're just talking those treatments? Yes, they should be easier to access with less gate-keeping. That would include children accessing them in some cases.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 14, 2024, 10:27:06 AMObviously understanding how big of an issue this is, let's still please keep the disagreements level headed without resorting to insults.
But he's being
soooooo dumb. And frankly, it's not an "issue", it's someone posting extremist propaganda that threatens the safety and wellbeing of people I care about.
Minds aren't swayed when they're being insulted.
I doubt fine words will do much either, somehow.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 10:24:53 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:08:29 AM"That there is mostly a binary ?
Yes.
No!
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 08:40:00 AMI stand corrected on the term Gender, but Sex is definitely and strictly Binary, unless you are talking about the other variations which 'the people on the other' side aren't!!(like Trisomies)
QuoteIt's not strictly a binary, as you claim. Things which aren't part of the binary being classified against the binary is just how classifications work - we need to compare things to define them.
There being two sex determining chromosomes in humans doesn't mean there's not more than two options or the other options don't somehow count or are lesser.
Please think about what you're saying. "There is only a binary except for when there's not" means there's not actually a binary.
I totally get the point you're trying to make by using the term Binary itself!
i tangled myself whilst getting the point through, but the point i tried to make with the chromosomes is pretty clear! i wanted to add more to it until i saw the other person put abusive comments and lost interest
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 10:32:39 AMI doubt fine words will do much either, somehow.
Your words were far from fine buddy
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 10:28:10 AMBut he's being soooooo dumb. And frankly, it's not an "issue", it's someone posting extremist propaganda that threatens the safety and wellbeing of people I care about.
Dumb?..extremist propaganda ? threatening ?
What's dumb is having an argument or a debate , having to resort to expletives and then play a victim card!
I bet you have folder full of those memes u posted for these moments
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:34:44 AMYour words were far from fine buddy
I've been told to be respectful, so I won't just give you my usual crude form of bullshit for a minute. But I genuinely ask, why would I give someone displaying massive ignorance and bigotry anything other than mockery and shitposts? What purpose would it serve?
Assume I'm talking about a random racist or something and not you, and genuinely answer.
Next stop - holocaust denial!
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:34:44 AMI bet you have folder full of those memes u posted for these moments
Actually, I made it from a template online in about 30 seconds just 4U
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:34:44 AMi tangled myself whilst getting the point through, but the point i tried to make with the chromosomes is pretty clear! i wanted to add more to it until i saw the other person put abusive comments and lost interest
It's not clear at all! The fact there are two sex determining chromosomes is, as has always been pointed out, irrelevant. You even highlighted how those two chromosomes can be combined in many more than two ways - and I pointed out how even the "standard" configurations don't always result in unambiguous sexes.
"There are only two sexes" is not in any way right. "There are more than two sexes" is the only accurate statement.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 10:28:10 AMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 10:24:45 AMFair enough, but the rest of my question ?
If we're just talking those treatments? Yes, they should be easier to access with less gate-keeping. That would include children accessing them in some cases.
Thanks for clarification
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2024, 10:40:53 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:34:44 AMYour words were far from fine buddy
I've been told to be respectful, so I won't just give you my usual crude form of bullshit for a minute. But I genuinely ask, why would I give someone displaying massive ignorance and bigotry anything other than mockery and shitposts? What purpose would it serve?
Assume I'm talking about a random racist or something and not you, and genuinely answer.
You need to come down from the moral high horse you seem to be riding on, you have been told to be respectful not just cause u can throwdown and the other can't,
it's a game two people can play and often leads to such good forums to its downfall. I respect this forum and wont let such instances lead to bear my teeth.
Remember what you claim to be "massive ignorance", "bigotry" are so in your mind. You don't hold the monopoly on truth, nor do i, that's why we argue and put our points and thoughts forward to learn and educate ourselves.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:53:26 AMbear my teeth.
Aww, go on, do it.
QuoteRemember what you claim to be "massive ignorance", "bigotry" are so in your mind. You don't hold the monopoly on truth, nor do i, that's why we argue and put our points and thoughts forward to learn and educate ourselves.
Nah f**k off, I absolutely know more about the subject than you from both the left/right and for/against positions. This isn't a brag it's a statement of fact. You are embarrassing yourself and I'm not the only one who thinks so.
Quite.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 10:48:38 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 10:34:44 AMi tangled myself whilst getting the point through, but the point i tried to make with the chromosomes is pretty clear! i wanted to add more to it until i saw the other person put abusive comments and lost interest
It's not clear at all! The fact there are two sex determining chromosomes is, as has always been pointed out, irrelevant. You even highlighted how those two chromosomes can be combined in many more than two ways - and I pointed out how even the "standard" configurations don't always result in unambiguous sexes.
"There are only two sexes" is not in any way right. "There are more than two sexes" is the only accurate statement.
As i said Sil, the other person kinda killed my enthusiasm, but to clarify ill put my stand again:
according to what i have understood in my learning and understanding
There is a Binary classification of the sexes in science, however there are other variations based on these very binary concept however oxymoronic it sounds the variations are based on the degrees of either sexes.
Yeah but I don't want to argue about biology, I want to argue about that "evidence" of societal repercussions of The Gay Agenda you posted that's paid for and sold to your algorithm by skeezy religious fundamentalists.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 11:09:56 AMU know more... Says who? you?
Says years of deep immersion in both far-right wing and lgbtq, specifically trans-focused, communities due to a very strange series of adventures.
Quote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 11:04:49 AMaccording to what i have understood in my learning and understanding
There is a Binary classification of the sexes in science, however there are other variations based on these very binary concept however oxymoronic it sounds the variations are based on the degrees of either sexes.
In sexual reproduction you need an egg and a sperm, and whichever it is you produce (or have the gonad to produce) determines if you're male or female.
But it's also possible to produce both or neither, and these variations are valid and natural and sometimes the normal way for some animals.
Biology is more complicated than people like to admit, and we tend to oversimplify things to make it easier to understand. But sex as a strict binary corrupts the ambiguity, not the other way around.
Why Elon Musk, who's hated here by so many, has his own thread? :)
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 11:23:17 AMWhy Elon Musk, who's hated here by so many, has his own thread? :)
To mock him.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 11:17:42 AMQuote from: The Saint on Mar 14, 2024, 11:04:49 AMaccording to what i have understood in my learning and understanding
There is a Binary classification of the sexes in science, however there are other variations based on these very binary concept however oxymoronic it sounds the variations are based on the degrees of either sexes.
In sexual reproduction you need an egg and a sperm, and whichever it is you produce (or have the gonad to produce) determines if you're male or female.
But it's also possible to produce both or neither, and these variations are valid and natural and sometimes the normal way for some animals.
Biology is more complicated than people like to admit, and we tend to oversimplify things to make it easier to understand. But sex as a strict binary corrupts the ambiguity, not the other way around.
Is this ok?
The variations are a Negation/different combination of the primary 2?
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 11:23:17 AMWhy Elon Musk, who's hated here by so many, has his own thread? :)
Gottem 8)
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 11:27:06 AMTo mock him.
-ACK
I get that but isn't is futile? I don't like him either but why would I waste my time (like right now) to mock him?
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 11:37:11 AMI get that but isn't is futile? I don't like him either but why would I waste my time (like right now) to mock him?
I think it's more of a containment thread so his shenanigans don't overly pollute the politics or news threads.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 11:37:11 AMI get that but isn't is futile? I don't like him either but why would I waste my time (like right now) to mock him?
Because it's fun sometimes. Not now.
I've removed both your abilities to post for a day and removed the escalated argument. Be better than you think the other person is.
Looks like I missed quite a shit show. :(
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Looked like quite a clusterf*ck of a discussion, glad I didn't touch on that, haha.
As for Musk? What else is there left to be said about him and twitter...cough...I mean "X"?
First about this nonsense that some of his mentally-challenged so-called admirers praise him for, his "protection" of free speech on X. He is a "free speech absolutist"? Except when someone criticize him and then that account is banned on X. Free speech applies to everyone but him...which brings to mind one thing:
Twitter, a private company, have an absolute free speech right to limit what gets said on their private platform.
And of course SpaceX or Tesla or any of Musk's other companies have rules for their employees that prohibit them from talking about certain things. I can bet for certain they aren't allowed completely uncensored messages on any internal forums they have.
I think he is a self-serving tyrant, but as the owner of Twitter he has the right to ban people from Twitter if he wants. Of course, I also think that the previous regime running Twitter had that same right.
I think he does not have an absolute right to fire Twitter employees, however. That is subject to labor law.
As for Musk scaring away advertisers from the platform, further reducing revenue and sinking the former Twitter brand into the garbage can, well job accomplished I guess.
Twitter was an iconic brand with a logo that was instantly identifiable by even non-users of the platform. Even new words entered our vocabulary: Tweet; Retweet.
But Twitter has also lost what was its main value: immediate awareness of breaking news stories and top news. You could go to Twitter anytime of the day or night and immediately see the stop stories and any major breaking news. But now, that is mostly gone. You can log onto your feed and can't even find Tweets about stories that you know are breaking and you want to find more info. The algorithm has been destroyed.
Also destroyed is any semblance of control over offensive tweets.
I don't think this is an accident or stupidity on the part of Musk. I think it was/is a deliberate dismantling of a platform that gave voice to the marginalized and those seeking to organize progressive movements. You know, things that oligarchs, dictators, and the 1% don't want. Musk got rid of all that. It's a shame.
Aren't you willing to let all that slide if he gets us to Mars?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 17, 2024, 01:58:50 AMAren't you willing to let all that slide if he gets us to Mars?
Haha.
SpaceX is one thing, so I keep things separate.
Anyway, I doubt he will, and even if he did, my answer is no. 8)
https://twitter.com/verge/status/1769741978223215016
@SiL https://twitter.com/donlemon/status/1769692006551593144
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1770650035711365259
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 08:37:47 PM@SiL
https://twitter.com/donlemon/status/1769692006551593144
you know it's gonna be a good interview when it includes the great replacement theory and woke mine virus. I have not watched interview but I probably think it's not going to be a good time
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2024, 03:15:40 PMLooks like I missed quite a shit show. :(
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https://twitter.com/ConversationEDU/status/1770664230615728183
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1772299880825786725
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lol
https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1777307303852589290
Speaking of him, the comments from his fans in this video below are kinda funny :laugh:
And then we have his haters, who, no matter how vitriolic it may sound, are sometimes the actual smart people.
https://twitter.com/SebastianMurdoc/status/1777423187011096576
"Role played"
https://twitter.com/mashable/status/1777992474394259597
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1780307754785132768
https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/1780598986145210457
https://twitter.com/GuardianUS/status/1780604098942742679
Does this mean he's going to buy fromsoft now?
His mission is to save straight angry white male mankind from so much Wokeness, so that future human colonies in space will not be Woke at all...or maybe just a little :o🤏
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1781362231097041245
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1782152443419091213
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1782441020036145267
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1782578632369557740
Oh, the hypocrisy and irony. This dude is insane
https://twitter.com/our_jesse/status/1782801758202351631