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Title: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Anthony on Mar 30, 2017, 06:10:52 PM
From JoBlo:

Spoiler
https://twitter.com/joblocom/status/847510533980905472

https://twitter.com/joblocom/status/847510760800505856
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*title edited by Hicks.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 06:13:01 PM
So the scene where
Spoiler
David kills the engineers is in the movie?!!  ???
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Stolen on Mar 30, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
QuoteNew Alien Covenant footage focused on David being, essentially, an angry god. Violence of the original Alien and huge sci-fi of Prometheus.

my god, great!
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: Stolen on Mar 30, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
QuoteNew Alien Covenant footage focused on David being, essentially, an angry god. Violence of the original Alien and huge sci-fi of Prometheus.

my god, great!
Link please!  :)
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Anthony on Mar 30, 2017, 06:19:20 PM
https://twitter.com/GermainLussier/status/847512943684210689

Spoiler
Also the JoBlo tweet might mean the flashback scene is back in the film!
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https://twitter.com/JacobTiranno/status/847510891507531776
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
Yup, seems like we'll see
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David killing the engineers. Hmm, now I wonder if they simply died of the black goo or something else.
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Edit: did they show a new trailer as well?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 06:35:56 PM
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

QuoteThe crowd erupted in cheers while watching a new sneak peek at Ridley Scott's "Alien: Covenant" at the annual CinemaCon convention in Las Vegas on Thursday.

Here is description:

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The new trailer showed a darkness take down an entire civilization while Michael Fassbender's character David (who plays both David and Walter, so it could easily be Walter as well — they look very similar) watches from an epic-looking space ship. Throughout the rest of the footage, it becomes clear he won't let humans start over on a new planet after leaving earth.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed," Fassbender says in the trailer. "They are a dying species, grasping for resurrection. So they are leaving the earth forever."

He continues, "But their power is an illusion. They don't deserve to start again, and I'm not going to let them."

The trailer is full of gore as different species (and yes — xenomorphs show up too) take down humans viciously. And Scott, who introduced the trailer remotely, said he just wants to scare audiences — which it seems he will accomplish easily.
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http://www.thewrap.com/alien-covenant-footage-michael-fassbender-wont-let-humans-start-new-planet/ (http://www.thewrap.com/alien-covenant-footage-michael-fassbender-wont-let-humans-start-new-planet/)

Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 06:37:57 PM
Yay! Sounds interesting. Could the new trailer be released soon?

https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/847509905678270464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Foembedly.com%2Fembed.php%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252Fslashfilm%252Fstatus%252F847509905678270464
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 06:48:52 PM
Keeps getting better an better!!! Will we get to see this trailer soon?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 06:50:21 PM
https://twitter.com/TheDrewbles/status/847510921127710720 (https://twitter.com/TheDrewbles/status/847510921127710720)

https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/847510439688679425 (https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/847510439688679425)


Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 07:00:11 PM
Ugh may 19th can't get here soon enough
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Anthony on Mar 30, 2017, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 06:48:52 PM
Will we get to see this trailer soon?

Not sure when they'll release it. Maybe before Fast 8 comes out.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Mar 30, 2017, 07:03:54 PM
"But their power is an illusion. They don't deserve to start again, and I'm not going to let them."

Oh my. This franchise is finally being given the type of dialogue I've always wanted it to have. EPIC dialogue.

We've come a long way from "IT! Has memories! Why! Does IT! Have memories!", "REAL NICE PARTY AIN'T IT?" and "Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?" people. Take it in. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: cliffhanger on Mar 30, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
THANKS FOR THE SPOILERS IN THE OP.

great, thanks.

Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Samus007 on Mar 30, 2017, 07:07:11 PM
So exciting! C'mon May 18th / 19th lets do this!
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 30, 2017, 07:03:54 PM
"But their power is an illusion. They don't deserve to start again, and I'm not going to let them."

Oh my. This franchise is finally being given the type of dialogue I've always wanted it to have. EPIC dialogue.

We've come a long way from "IT! Has memories! Why! Does IT! Have memories!", "REAL NICE PARTY AIN'T IT?" and "Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?" people. Take it in. Enjoy it.
true that, David's lines are awesome
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
I don't know what to think about it. The dialogue is cool, but it's all just so cliché: an evil android who hates humans and wants to wipe them out. :-\ But we'll see. Michael Fassbender's superb acting will definitely help, I think.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Mar 30, 2017, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 30, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
THANKS FOR THE SPOILERS IN THE OP.

great, thanks.

Browsing AVPGalaxy.net close to the release of a new Alien movie = Game Over Man, GAME OVER!   ;)
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions
Post by: Anthony on Mar 30, 2017, 07:16:22 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 30, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
THANKS FOR THE SPOILERS IN THE OP.

great, thanks.

Shit, I didn't think about that.

I'm sorry man. I'll update the post.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 30, 2017, 07:21:40 PM
I want to see that scene so bad! It's sounded f**king epic ever since it was first revealed in those leaks.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Stolen on Mar 30, 2017, 07:25:21 PM
The evolution of David seems crazy. I can't wait.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 07:26:05 PM
Now I wonder if there might be more scenes in the final movie that weren't in the most recent test screenings? Like
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David communicating with the Xenomorph.
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: jdxmoore on Mar 30, 2017, 07:45:43 PM
Sounds EPIC. Cant wait!

not sure what I'm going to do with myself after I've watched it though. Start the wait for Alien Awakening I suppose 😄
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: PierreVW on Mar 30, 2017, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: jdxmoore on Mar 30, 2017, 07:45:43 PM
Sounds EPIC. Cant wait!

not sure what I'm going to do with myself after I've watched it though. Start the wait for Alien Awakening I suppose 😄

Sounds EPIC.

And Sir Ridley Scott is The King of Visuals so ALIENS KILLING ENGINEERS is going to LOOK PERFECT!.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 30, 2017, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: jdxmoore on Mar 30, 2017, 07:45:43 PM
Sounds EPIC. Cant wait!

not sure what I'm going to do with myself after I've watched it though. Start the wait for Alien Awakening I suppose 😄

Sounds EPIC.

And Sir Ridley Scott is The King of Visuals so ALIENS KILLING ENGINEERS is going to LOOK PERFECT!.
I don't think they'll be killed by aliens, just the black goo.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Denton Smalls on Mar 30, 2017, 08:15:30 PM

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I don't think they'll be killed by aliens, just the black goo.
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I hope the goo doesn't just burn the Engineers as it looks. That will just add one more random effect it causes to the growing list of random effects.

So far we have DNA disintegration, zombie mutation, and lethal STD.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Infected on Mar 30, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
I wanna pick up a pulse rifle and go full retard on David.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 30, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
This sounds hot. But man, oh man, why show SO much footage this far in advance? Sigh.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 08:40:16 PM
This sounds like the ****. I guess those that saw an early cut didn't see everything?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 30, 2017, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 08:40:16 PM
This sounds like the ****. I guess those that saw an early cut didn't see everything?

This confirms what was shown in the first (early) screening. The latter screening didn't have this footage that's been described.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 30, 2017, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 08:40:16 PM
This sounds like the ****. I guess those that saw an early cut didn't see everything?

This confirms what was shown in the first (early) screening. The latter screening didn't have this footage that's been described.

Gotcha. This sounds awesome.


Interesting commentary on humanity.....
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=alien+covenant&client=safari&safe=active&gws_rd=ssl


This honestly sounds beyond epic
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=alien+covenant&client=safari&safe=active&gws_rd=ssl


This honestly sounds beyond epic

Spoiler
This seems to confirm that the inhabitants of Paradise are some sort of sister race and not Engineers. Not as developed as humans? I guess David wants to nip that development in the bud?
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 30, 2017, 09:09:37 PM
So they kept that David committing genocide scene in the film then. Surprised they put it in the trailer but then again, it's a money shot just like the Juggernaut crash scene in the Prometheus trailer.

Those wanting to stay spoiler free better keep clear of the new trailer when it arrives.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=alien+covenant&client=safari&safe=active&gws_rd=ssl


This honestly sounds beyond epic

Spoiler
This seems to confirm that the inhabitants of Paradise are some sort of sister race and not Engineers. Not as developed as humans? I guess David wants to nip that development in the bud?
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i have no idea. Did any of the previous leaks talk about a race in between human and engineer?
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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 30, 2017, 09:09:37 PM
So they kept that David committing genocide scene in the film then. Surprised they put it in the trailer but then again, it's a money shot just like the Juggernaut crash scene in the Prometheus trailer.

Those wanting to stay spoiler free better keep clear of the new trailer when it arrives.
yeah, I hope it arrives soon though.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 30, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
Spoiler
i have no idea. Did any of the previous leaks talk about a race in between human and engineer?
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No, none did. It's definitely the Engineers that were on that planet as evidenced by the press reports in this thread.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 09:30:22 PM
Another description of the scene:
Spoiler
The sneak began with the spacecraft from the last film arriving at the Engineers' home world. Surprised, startled or curious about this ship's arrival, hundreds of Engineers have gathered in what looks like a Roman or Greek coliseum for the ship to dock. As the Engineers look on, the base of the ship opens and we find David walking on a deck. He looks ragged, but fully operational in a complete body. Then, as the Engineer population looks on, a mass of black bombs fall from David's ship. The crowd panics and tries to escape the arena, but the bombs quickly explode and douse them with a black ooze that is sickeningly familiar. The Engineers are quickly transformed into hundreds (or would that be thousands?) of alien creatures as David watches from above satisfied with his...revenge?

We then jump to "present day" where David's voice-over (or is it younger model Walter's voice?) describes how man believed they are gods and are leaving their planet seeking paradise in the stars. Walter (Fassbender) has no intention of letting that happen.

It looks like the planet the 'Covenant' crew have landed on is either the Engineers' abandoned home world hundreds of years after David's actions or a sister planet that David has also seeded with alien spores. As the first trailer depicts, this crew of the colony ship the Covenant lands only to find themselves infected with the same alien monstrosities that besieged the crew of the Prometheus.

The preview didn't indicate if David returns later on in the film or what the fate of Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) is. And it's unclear where the original "Alien" film takes place in this timeline. But, if you were hoping for a resolution to the fate of David and Elizabeth from "Prometheus," you are going to be at least partially satisfied.
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http://theplaylist.net/connection-prometheus-alien-covenant-finally-revealed-cinemacon-20170330/
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 30, 2017, 09:55:47 PM
I am frankly really surprised--and confused--that they cut this scene from the most recent screening. It seems pretty crucial to the narrative based on what we've read? I'm glad they figured it out and put it back in, but odd they'd even try it without it.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 10:04:18 PM
Yeah, pretty weird.

Btw, where is Corporal? He's missing out on all the fun! :D
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 10:04:18 PM
Yeah, pretty weird.

Btw, where is Corporal? He's missing out on all the fun! :D

He's out with the lady watching Ghost in the Shell. :)
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 10:31:17 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 10:04:18 PM
Yeah, pretty weird.

Btw, where is Corporal? He's missing out on all the fun! :D

He's out with the lady watching Ghost in the Shell. :)
Ah, I see.  :)

Anyway, I really want to see the new trailer! I hope they'll release it soon.

Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 30, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 10:31:17 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 10:04:18 PM
Yeah, pretty weird.

Btw, where is Corporal? He's missing out on all the fun! :D

He's out with the lady watching Ghost in the Shell. :)
Ah, I see.  :)

Anyway, I really want to see the new trailer! I hope they'll release it soon.



Does somebody here have a pigeon that we can send with a little message tied to its leg to deliver the news to Corporal Hicks?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 10:42:34 PM
Is there any other new footage in the trailer other than the David monologue and bombing?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: CainsSon on Mar 30, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 10:42:34 PM
Is there any other new footage in the trailer other than the David monologue and bombing?

Isnt that enough!?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 30, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
Waiting for the trailer to leak...
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
I'm sure it's visually stunning and will be a great setpiece, but I still find the whole story angle with David going full black hat and being responsible for everything to be lazy and tired. Aside from turning the David character into a much more black and white personality it demystifies the whole series, so I choose to believe he is simply recreating their weapons - not responsible for the origination of the alien.

Don't get me wrong - sounds like a blast to watch, but the story overall just feels like a regression to me.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 30, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 30, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
Waiting for the trailer to leak...

Same... I am so excited for it!
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Anthony on Mar 30, 2017, 11:32:17 PM
Again, most likely will be out by Fast 8's release.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
I'm sure it's visually stunning and will be a great setpiece, but I still find the whole story angle with David going full black hat and being responsible for everything to be lazy and tired. Aside from turning the David character into a much more black and white personality it demystifies the whole series, so I choose to believe he is simply recreating their weapons - not responsible for the origination of the alien.

Don't get me wrong - sounds like a blast to watch, but the story overall just feels like a regression to me.

It's already been demonstrated that he didn't "invent" the alien. Some version of it was known to the Engineers centuries or longer before David entered the picture. I'm a bit perplexed here. It seems whenever there is any kind of excitement about this movie you feel the need to come in and temper expectations. Why is that?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ragonk_Force on Mar 30, 2017, 11:42:50 PM
I was hoping this is how it would play out, so glad its true. This is sounding like its going to be amazing, the description of this, with Ridley's visual genius will be amazing to watch
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: ChrisPachi on Mar 30, 2017, 11:46:55 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PMDon't get me wrong - sounds like a blast to watch, but the story overall just feels like a regression to me.

And I thought Prometheus made the Alien universe feel small. Someone stop this crazy bastard before Ripley wakes up to realise that she is a middle-aged soccer mom living in Ontario and the whole thing was just a bad dream.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
I'm sure it's visually stunning and will be a great setpiece, but I still find the whole story angle with David going full black hat and being responsible for everything to be lazy and tired. Aside from turning the David character into a much more black and white personality it demystifies the whole series, so I choose to believe he is simply recreating their weapons - not responsible for the origination of the alien.

Don't get me wrong - sounds like a blast to watch, but the story overall just feels like a regression to me.

It's already been demonstrated that he didn't "invent" the alien. Some version of it was known to the Engineers centuries or longer before David entered the picture. I'm a bit perplexed here. It seems whenever there is any kind of excitement about this movie you feel the need to come in and temper expectations. Why is that?

Probably for attention.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 11:59:15 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 30, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 30, 2017, 10:42:34 PM
Is there any other new footage in the trailer other than the David monologue and bombing?

Isnt that enough!?
Well, yes, it's too much. A 2 min 30 sec trailer of an entire scene is way too much. I thought maybe there would be a 30 second at most scene with David bombing away.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 12:02:23 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
I'm sure it's visually stunning and will be a great setpiece, but I still find the whole story angle with David going full black hat and being responsible for everything to be lazy and tired. Aside from turning the David character into a much more black and white personality it demystifies the whole series, so I choose to believe he is simply recreating their weapons - not responsible for the origination of the alien.

Don't get me wrong - sounds like a blast to watch, but the story overall just feels like a regression to me.

It's already been demonstrated that he didn't "invent" the alien. Some version of it was known to the Engineers centuries or longer before David entered the picture. I'm a bit perplexed here. It seems whenever there is any kind of excitement about this movie you feel the need to come in and temper expectations. Why is that?

Probably for attention.

I don't know-maybe it's just me but I welcome what Scott is trying to do here. He's fleshing out the Alien universe and answering questions along the way while raising new ones.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Predaker on Mar 31, 2017, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
I'm sure it's visually stunning and will be a great setpiece, but I still find the whole story angle with David going full black hat and being responsible for everything to be lazy and tired. Aside from turning the David character into a much more black and white personality it demystifies the whole series, so I choose to believe he is simply recreating their weapons - not responsible for the origination of the alien.

Don't get me wrong - sounds like a blast to watch, but the story overall just feels like a regression to me.

It's already been demonstrated that he didn't "invent" the alien. Some version of it was known to the Engineers centuries or longer before David entered the picture.

Hardly. Covenant is delving into who made the Alien and why; after reading the spoilers it's pretty obvious where this is headed.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 12:11:40 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 30, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
Waiting for the trailer to leak...
Hopefully it does leak, I can't wait much longer
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: hfeldhaus on Mar 31, 2017, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 12:02:23 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 30, 2017, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
I'm sure it's visually stunning and will be a great setpiece, but I still find the whole story angle with David going full black hat and being responsible for everything to be lazy and tired. Aside from turning the David character into a much more black and white personality it demystifies the whole series, so I choose to believe he is simply recreating their weapons - not responsible for the origination of the alien.

Don't get me wrong - sounds like a blast to watch, but the story overall just feels like a regression to me.

It's already been demonstrated that he didn't "invent" the alien. Some version of it was known to the Engineers centuries or longer before David entered the picture. I'm a bit perplexed here. It seems whenever there is any kind of excitement about this movie you feel the need to come in and temper expectations. Why is that?

Probably for attention.

I don't know-maybe it's just me but I welcome what Scott is trying to do here. He's fleshing out the Alien universe and answering questions along the way while raising new ones.

I agree.

The 'Mystery' of the Alien has been blown way out of proportion these past few weeks. The success of the Alien isn't down to its mysteriousness, its because it looks cool and does f**ked up things.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: juxtapose on Mar 31, 2017, 12:28:24 AM
. .weird thing the omly alien movie that scared me a little was rhe original and i was like 12 when i first saw it. .the creature for me has always been more cool and awesome.oposed to being scary. .yeah if i saw it in real life i would run a mile. .but onscreen it is just sheer styalistic splendour. .something to marvel at and behold. .
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 12:33:44 AM
I never really found it scary, not even as a kid, to me it was always that really cool alien monster that I grew to love at first sight.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 12:42:37 AM
After reading a few different trailer descriptions, I'm confused in that...

Spoiler
One website's review says the black goo bombs turn all of the Engineers into alien creatures while another site claims the Engineers get melted, or their bodies rip apart.
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Which is it?
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 31, 2017, 12:48:06 AM
Maybe
Spoiler
some of them go Fifield?
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: eyeballkid on Mar 31, 2017, 01:02:42 AM
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I get the impression that the civ that David bombs are perceived by him to be humans, not engineers, which is awesome.
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 31, 2017, 01:05:10 AM
Too soon to say.
Spoiler
Maybe he lumps humans and Engineers together.
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: eyeballkid on Mar 31, 2017, 01:10:41 AM
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If the engineers can create life, why grow wheat? I think this new planet has a human population that is just beginning to cultivate crops, like early Mesopotamia humans did on Earth. That would be so f**ked up and cool. 
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 01:34:21 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 31, 2017, 01:05:10 AM
Too soon to say.
Spoiler
Maybe he lumps humans and Engineers together.
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I think you're right. When the severed head explodes in Prometheus, David goes "Mortal after all." Seems he's as unimpressed with the Engineers as he is with people.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: PierreVW on Mar 31, 2017, 01:37:31 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 30, 2017, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: jdxmoore on Mar 30, 2017, 07:45:43 PM
Sounds EPIC. Cant wait!

not sure what I'm going to do with myself after I've watched it though. Start the wait for Alien Awakening I suppose 😄

Sounds EPIC.

And Sir Ridley Scott is The King of Visuals so ALIENS KILLING ENGINEERS is going to LOOK PERFECT!.
I don't think they'll be killed by aliens, just the black goo.

I doubt that.

In the OFFICIAL POSTER, we saw ALIENS KILLING(OR ATTACKING) ENGINEERS!.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 01:40:19 AM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
It's already been demonstrated that he didn't "invent" the alien. Some version of it was known to the Engineers centuries or longer before David entered the picture. I'm a bit perplexed here.

I hope that's the case, but I don't think it's definite.

QuoteIt seems whenever there is any kind of excitement about this movie you feel the need to come in and temper expectations. Why is that?

I'm tempering mine. You can do what you like. If I needed 'attention' I wouldn't show up once every five years.

Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 31, 2017, 12:12:25 AM
The 'Mystery' of the Alien has been blown way out of proportion these past few weeks. The success of the Alien isn't down to its mysteriousness, its because it looks cool and does f**ked up things.

That may be true, but I can safely say I don't think any of us expected the alien's origin to potentially be 'another evil android cooked it up twenty years ago and left it here.' I feel that diminishes the power of the original film, diminishes the creature, diminishes the David character and makes these prequels much more hidebound and derivative. Again, YMMV.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 01:49:24 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 31, 2017, 01:05:10 AM
Too soon to say.
Spoiler
Maybe he lumps humans and Engineers together.
[close]

Spoiler
We are almost the same in the end.
[close]
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 31, 2017, 01:53:57 AM
Spoiler
Agreed. My view is that the Engineers are basically just humans with a few thousand (or a few million) years head-start.
[close]
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: windebieste on Mar 31, 2017, 01:59:54 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 31, 2017, 01:37:31 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 30, 2017, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: jdxmoore on Mar 30, 2017, 07:45:43 PM
Sounds EPIC. Cant wait!

not sure what I'm going to do with myself after I've watched it though. Start the wait for Alien Awakening I suppose 😄

Sounds EPIC.

And Sir Ridley Scott is The King of Visuals so ALIENS KILLING ENGINEERS is going to LOOK PERFECT!.
I don't think they'll be killed by aliens, just the black goo.

I doubt that.

In the OFFICIAL POSTER, we saw ALIENS KILLING(OR ATTACKING) ENGINEERS!.

In the original original poster, we saw an egg splitting open hovering over some semi-organic latticework.  That movie was made by the same Director.

Oh, it also appeared in the 1979 trailer. 

It made NO appearance in the movie.  You might like to think about what that might mean in terms of ambience and mood setting as much as actual content.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 02:14:53 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 31, 2017, 01:53:57 AM
Spoiler
Agreed. My view is that the Engineers are basically just humans with a few thousand (or a few million) years head-start.
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Spoiler
I also think that's the case as well. It goes well with the "we built them in our image" theme. I think one of the quotes in the Bible, in Genesis literally states that God made us in his image. So the idea that they are us fits perfectly.
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Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: banecat on Mar 31, 2017, 03:12:08 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 31, 2017, 01:53:57 AM
Spoiler
Agreed. My view is that the Engineers are basically just humans with a few thousand (or a few million) years head-start.
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as a bald dude i'll take that as meaning i am an evolved being
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 03:34:35 AM
So..... with the recently revealed dialogue in the Cinemacon trailer...
http://io9.gizmodo.com/new-alien-covenant-footage-showed-destruction-on-a-who-1793864681


David really created the Xenomorph.
And he delivers comic booky "I AM TEHGODZNAO" dialogue.


And the rest of the internet are really loving this new development.
(taken from the Io9 comment section)
(https://i.gyazo.com/133a577b7c02ac1536f6a0d5dded947f.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/a1c21e6e4962ad0fd1093e059940be68.png)


..is there gonna be a time travel element in the next film?
Is that how David is gonna put the ship on LV426?

so...
yeah......
i'm gonna skip the theater run of this.....
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:11 AM
I think David is just going to travel to LV426 eventually, with or without the crew of the Covenant.

It's beginning to resemble a much less artful version of the new (excellent) Planet of the Apes movies, where the human cast changes every time and David is the only constant. You know, like Jason Voorhees.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Anthony on Mar 31, 2017, 03:45:01 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:11 AM
You know, like Jason Voorhees.

I was going to make a Jason VS Aliens joke, but then I remembered Jason X exists.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this. I think it sounds really cool. Besides, everyone who has seen it has really enjoyed wat they've seen thus far...
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 03:58:12 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this. I think it sounds really cool. Besides, everyone who has seen it has really enjoyed wat they've seen thus far...

Indeed, it's one thing to hear or read someone describe it, but it's another thing to actually see the scene for yourself. I can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 04:03:44 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this. I think it sounds really cool. Besides, everyone who has seen it has really enjoyed wat they've seen thus far...
Yup. Im with you, its a great idea, and have no doubt visually it will be stunning. The haters can stew in their misery for all I care, im beyond excited
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 04:04:23 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 03:58:12 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this. I think it sounds really cool. Besides, everyone who has seen it has really enjoyed wat they've seen thus far...

Indeed, it's one thing to hear or read someone describe it, but it's another thing to actually see the scene for yourself. I can't wait to see it.
The best comparison I can think of is when Game of Thrones season 6 plot leaked and there were detailed descriptions for
Spoiler
Hodor's death and twist
[close]
. Everyone thought it sounded stupid but when the episode aired, everyone loved it and its now considered one of the best Game of Thrones scenes/episodes ever.


Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 04:03:44 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this. I think it sounds really cool. Besides, everyone who has seen it has really enjoyed wat they've seen thus far...
Yup. Im with you, its a great idea, and have no doubt visually it will be stunning. The haters can stew in their misery for all I care, im beyond excited
Yeah, I think I'm done reading comments on youtube and such. Its not but a hate infested cesspool
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 04:05:50 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this.

let me try to explain:


David creates the aliens.
Goes on a rampage to destroy ALL HUMANS!1

The ALIEN isnt ALIEN anymore.
It's the invention of an android.
And now the universe is populated by humanoids.
Prometheus brought the Engineers.. In Covenant there are hybrids of engineer/Human...

This isnt the Alien franchise anymore.
It's the HUMAN franchise.

It's like a dumber, r rated version of Star Trek.
I love Star Trek.. but.. TREKKY stuff is not what i wanted from the ALIEN films.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 04:08:05 AM
I have no doubt the sequence and film overall is exquisitely put together and will be a lot of fun to watch. I just find the overall story thrust to be uncreative and kind of a contrived way out of telling any new kind of story beyond 'more bad robots and aliens'. I didn't see David in the previous film as a character who was headed out to casually nuke all the Engineers without any answers, let alone do any of the other stuff he may allegedly be doing. It just all seems like it's there to boil the franchise back down to the most basic, familiar fan service-y stuff.

I also am pretty sure there aren't any Engineer/human hybrids in this film, though IMO that would be a much more interesting space opera and carryover of some themes from Blade Runner, etc. for me that could be rife with all-new body horror and cosmic questions (with plenty of other Giger monsters, naturally). But that's my weird taste, so whatever.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 04:14:32 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 04:08:05 AM
I have no doubt the sequence and film overall is exquisitely put together and will be a lot of fun to watch. I just find the overall story thrust to be uncreative and kind of a contrived way out of telling any new kind of story beyond 'more bad robots and aliens'. I didn't see David in the previous film as a character who was headed out to casually nuke all the Engineers without any answers, let alone do any of the other stuff he may allegedly be doing. It just all seems like it's there to boil the franchise back down to the most basic, familiar fan service-y stuff.

I also am pretty sure there aren't any Engineer/human hybrids in this film, though IMO that would be a much more interesting space opera and carryover of some themes from Blade Runner, etc. for me that could be rife with all-new body horror and cosmic questions (with plenty of other Giger monsters, naturally). But that's my weird taste, so whatever.
I see what you're saying, but we don't know the story of the film. We know there's a genocide scene of engineers but we have no idea the context or anything else.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: hfeldhaus on Mar 31, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 04:05:50 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this.

let me try to explain:


David creates the aliens.
Goes on a rampage to destroy ALL HUMANS!1

The ALIEN isnt ALIEN anymore.
It's the invention of an android.
And now the universe is populated by humanoids.
Prometheus brought the Engineers.. In Covenant there are hybrids of engineer/Human...

This isnt the Alien franchise anymore.
It's the HUMAN franchise.

It's like a dumber, r rated version of Star Trek.
I love Star Trek.. but.. TREKKY stuff is not what i wanted from the ALIEN films.

You're judging a book by a few pages. You need to chill out.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 04:15:40 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 04:04:23 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 03:58:12 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this. I think it sounds really cool. Besides, everyone who has seen it has really enjoyed wat they've seen thus far...

Indeed, it's one thing to hear or read someone describe it, but it's another thing to actually see the scene for yourself. I can't wait to see it.
The best comparison I can think of is when Game of Thrones season 6 plot leaked and there were detailed descriptions for
Spoiler
Hodor's death and twist
[close]
. Everyone thought it sounded stupid but when the episode aired, everyone loved it and its now considered one of the best Game of Thrones scenes/episodes ever.


Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 04:03:44 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this. I think it sounds really cool. Besides, everyone who has seen it has really enjoyed wat they've seen thus far...
Yup. Im with you, its a great idea, and have no doubt visually it will be stunning. The haters can stew in their misery for all I care, im beyond excited
Yeah, I think I'm done reading comments on youtube and such. Its not but a hate infested cesspool

Exactly and I definitely agree with you about youtube comments, they can be the worst sometimes.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 04:17:41 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 31, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 04:05:50 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:16 AM
I'm not understanding the hate on this.

let me try to explain:


David creates the aliens.
Goes on a rampage to destroy ALL HUMANS!1

The ALIEN isnt ALIEN anymore.
It's the invention of an android.
And now the universe is populated by humanoids.
Prometheus brought the Engineers.. In Covenant there are hybrids of engineer/Human...

This isnt the Alien franchise anymore.
It's the HUMAN franchise.

It's like a dumber, r rated version of Star Trek.
I love Star Trek.. but.. TREKKY stuff is not what i wanted from the ALIEN films.

You're judging a book by a few pages. You need to chill out.
Exactly^
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Mar 31, 2017, 04:22:16 AM
Can we not attempt to make the alien mysterious anymore? Just keep it scary. You make it scary by creating characters to care for and putting it in novel scenarios. But please. No mystery. Play with it. Make it richer and substantive.

Who made it and why? Sounds good to me. f**k we are on film #8, you gotta put some meat on the bones. No more tin can chases.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 04:27:17 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 31, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
You're judging a book by a few pages. You need to chill out.

You guys are getting a new book...
but the first few pages very clearly have faeces all over them...
but somehow you're all still hoping that the book is gonna get better later on.

Have fun with that shit book.

Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 04:32:34 AM
I think there's more than enough meat on the bone to work with from the original basic premise which both the past films and Prometheus support - the alien is an insidious bioweapon crafted by the Engineers which grew beyond their control. Simple. Plenty to explore there.

Making it David's relatively recent science project would be a disappointment for me.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 04:39:20 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 31, 2017, 04:22:16 AM
Can we not attempt to make the alien mysterious anymore? Just keep it scary. You make it scary by creating characters to care for and putting it in novel scenarios. But please. No mystery. Play with it. Make it richer and substantive.

Who made it and why? Sounds good to me. f**k we are on film #8, you gotta put some meat on the bones. No more tin can chases.

Agreed, I never got the appeal of mystery in films. Sure, in one or two films it's nice but there has to be a time when it unravels if you intend to make more movies, right? Otherwise it just gets stale, "oh look, an Alien, it infests again..."

Who created the Alien and why? Who are the Engineers and why do they do what they do? How do they file their taxes? Answer it all!

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 04:32:34 AM
I think there's more than enough meat on the bone to work with from the original basic premise which both the past films and Prometheus support - the alien is an insidious bioweapon crafted by the Engineers which grew beyond their control. Simple. Plenty to explore there.

Making it David's relatively recent science project would be a disappointment for me.

I highly doubt it'd turn out to be David's recent creation, even if David created the Xenomorph in this movie, he likely followed a recipe on how to do it like somebody following a recipe on how to bake a cake.

We already saw him learning about the Engineers and their tools in Prometheus, he understands to read their letters, so he could have found a Xenomorph Instruction Manual somewhere.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Mar 31, 2017, 04:54:18 AM
What's hilarious is all this shit would be taken care of with one line of dialogue.

David: "The ultimate monster, which has existed for thousands of years, has finally been perfectly replicated by me." or some shit. Easy!
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 05:08:06 AM
Listen, if they do that it's fine by me for the overall mythos - whatever my opinion of the trajectory of the story in future films, it at least makes it clear he did not create them. But if they say only David created them, or even if he did just put the eggs on LV-426, well, that I find bad.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 05:11:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKSICi_spRo&feature=youtu.be

These guys seem genuinely excited about what they've just seen.
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 05:31:37 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 30, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
Does somebody here have a pigeon that we can send with a little message tied to its leg to deliver the news to Corporal Hicks?

Appologies. I was busy last night and went to sleep when I got home. I'd been hoping one of the others would have covered this. I'm just reading over the thread now for anything I've missed and I'll get an article up.


Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 30, 2017, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 30, 2017, 08:40:16 PM
This sounds like the ****. I guess those that saw an early cut didn't see everything?

This confirms what was shown in the first (early) screening. The latter screening didn't have this footage that's been described.

I was going to bring this up. Very interesting. Doesn't necessarily mean it's back in (trailers have footage cut from the film all the time) but it's interesting to hear the scene went down so well.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Necronomicon II on Mar 31, 2017, 06:01:00 AM
Sounds like the most epic horrific scene ever, going by reactions.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: szkoki on Mar 31, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
well see. but i would love to see David grow ...as a person
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: scott on Mar 31, 2017, 06:34:37 AM
wow! just wow, love the plot. David is on s sort of revenge streak, talk about Ash going havoc times 1000
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: scott on Mar 31, 2017, 06:37:39 AM
as written earlier, plenty to build on.... but I am longing for that mech stuff in the biomech to happen. But I guess that is the next movie...
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SuicideDoors on Mar 31, 2017, 06:41:41 AM
QuoteDavid watches, tears in his eyes. My guess is that he wanted this to be the birth of his new species but it didn't quite work.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77536
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 06:45:48 AM
Quote from: SuicideDoors on Mar 31, 2017, 06:41:41 AM
QuoteDavid watches, tears in his eyes. My guess is that he wanted this to be the birth of his new species but it didn't quite work.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77536
Maybe he's crying because he thinks it's beautiful? Makes more sense imo.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Cinemacon on Mar 31, 2017, 06:50:44 AM
I was there today. David is the creator of the alien species as we know it. Very clever
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Hemi on Mar 31, 2017, 06:54:24 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 04:27:17 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 31, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
You're judging a book by a few pages. You need to chill out.

You guys are getting a new book...
but the first few pages very clearly have faeces all over them...
but somehow you're all still hoping that the book is gonna get better later on.

Have fun with that shit book.



K bye

Ps: love the fact people are again crying over trailers etc. Well... on the internet anyway, the rest of the world (the ones that don't bother to comment) seem to like the trailer.

Reserve your hate for when the movie is released and it actually sucks giant space balls. We all know that if it's a masterpiece you will go see it anyway, hypocrites...
Title: Re: CinemaCon footage reactions *Spoilers*
Post by: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 07:15:41 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 04:27:17 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 31, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
You're judging a book by a few pages. You need to chill out.

You guys are getting a new book...
but the first few pages very clearly have faeces all over them...
but somehow you're all still hoping that the book is gonna get better later on.

Have fun with that shit book.
Lol


Quote from: szkoki on Mar 31, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
well see. but i would love to see David grow ...as a person
Dont think thats a good idea..
thats not happening, david is evil
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 07:36:42 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F2d7c2s3.jpg&hash=00c72f0d17414e10b1e4999db3917b59c0907253)
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: D88M on Mar 31, 2017, 07:45:14 AM
i am not reading but it seems we get to see what happens after Prometheus, which was all i was asking, to see how it continues, i am hoping for a great movie
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 08:43:07 AM
So David's motivation is wiping humanity out because he agrees with the gods (the Engineers) that humanity has grown cruel, weak and full of greed; leaving him effectively trying to follow in the footsteps of the LV-223 Engineers, setting about completing the mission they started, by perfecting the bioweapon they made?

It seems clear now from some of the descriptions appearing online of the bombing scene, that the victims on Paradise are not the Engineers, but a more primitive humanoid race, that the Engineers have created in the same way they created humanity on earth. And just like ancient man, this new humanoid race worships the Engineer's as gods; hence all the giant statues in the citadel plaza. The citadel is their Mecca where they gather to pray. This is why they look on in awe when David's ship arrives, because they believe it's their gods (the Engineers) returning from the stars?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Imbrie on Mar 31, 2017, 08:50:15 AM
I can buy that but ..... why have David and Shaw arrived here and not the Engineer's home planet?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
All those dead guys we saw were known as Deadgineers behind the scenes so...take from that what you will.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: RabidNinja on Mar 31, 2017, 09:00:19 AM
I called it. As cool as it sounds, gore included, it kinda begs the question and summarizes that


Spoiler
Michael Fassbender is Xenomorph God; considering that he'll no doubt f**k around and create the eggs, What happened to the deacon in the first film? we had this entire deevolutionized birthing process, which was cool, but now we focus on a whole new planet? kinda meh.


And what about the queens? and praetorians?


[close]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Infected on Mar 31, 2017, 09:08:26 AM
I thought to myself, it would be cool to go the premiere of Covenant with all the members from AvPGalaxy.net,
but then again i think a fight would break out afterwards LoL neomorph drive by's and shit ;)
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Benomatic on Mar 31, 2017, 09:14:08 AM
I really do hope David isn't behind the creation of the xenomorphs.

Alien has the mystery of the massive space jockey which is far bigger than any engineer we have seen. The Jockey is fossilized and appears to of been stranded for an extremely long time. The hold has thousands of eggs already in stasis, which must of either come from a queen or from eggmorphing?

What happened to the jockey burster?

How would David predate this and expedite the fossilization of the giant jockey? Why would a jockey have a warning beacon? Given the time frame between prometheus and covenant and that of alien?

WY seriously never went back to the moon of the prometheus mission?

Why would a xenomorph already be on the mural?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: imbrie on Mar 31, 2017, 08:50:15 AM
I can buy that but ..... why have David and Shaw arrived here and not the Engineer's home planet?

How do we know Paradise is the Engineer's home planet?

Maybe David made a mistake?

Maybe Shaw and David have already been to the Engineer's home world in the ten years following Prometheus, only to discover that it's just another tomb and David has subsequently learnt about Paradise, another world the Engineers seeded with humanoids, so decides to use it as the testing ground for the black goo, before moving on with his plan to wipe out humanity?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
All those dead guys we saw were known as Deadgineers behind the scenes so...take from that what you will.

I agree, it does seem contradictory to other information we have, but I'm just speculating based off some of the descriptions of the new footage, which seems to be suggesting the victims aren't Engineers, but another humanoid race.

Seems odd as well, that David would be bombing Engineers, if he agrees with their cause to wipe out humanity.

A lot of misinformation flying around, so who knows. ???

Hope they release the trailer soon, so we have something more definitive. Any word when it's coming out?

Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Imbrie on Mar 31, 2017, 09:37:52 AM
My head hurts.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Xenoscream on Mar 31, 2017, 09:43:13 AM
I kind of hoped this wasn't a real scene - I guess we know for 100% the original spoilers were all true (damn my eyes for reading them!).

It does sound epic, I do wonder what David's motivations are though - also interesting there is no Shaw.

I don't really get that he wants to wipe out humanity - I mean why would he want that?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: imbrie on Mar 31, 2017, 09:37:52 AM
My head hurts.

My heads been hurting since Prometheus. I blame it all on Damon Lindelof myself. I'm off to have some Paracetamol. ;D
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Alien Runner on Mar 31, 2017, 09:57:03 AM
If the spoilers are all true then the one where the mechanical part of the xenomorph has function must be true too! Can't wait.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on Mar 31, 2017, 09:57:03 AM
If the spoilers are all true then the one where the mechanical part of the xenomorph has function must be true too! Can't wait.
Hmm, I don't recall reading about that. What did it say?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: newagescamartist on Mar 31, 2017, 10:00:34 AM
If you absolutely hate the idea of David being the creator of the xenomorph, just take a deep breath. He isn't the creator of the catalyst aka the black goo. We know that deacons and other type of monstrosities existed prior. The black goo actually expanded the Alien universe to explore even bigger mysteries. It's still Alien. In many way it's even more Alien, since we might be witnessing an A.I. being born and then creating his own monsters. The creation of an A.I. is certainly alien in my book. And besides, this cements the Alien series as being the premiere Gnostic movie series. Prometheus gave us Sophia, and now we're going to see the Demiurge create his archons. Good stuff ahead.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 09:23:19 AM
it does seem contradictory to other information we have, but I'm just speculating based off some of the descriptions of the new footage, which seems to be suggesting the victims aren't Engineers, but another humanoid race.

Everyone's tired of hearing from me, but: People are mistaken about them being 'different aliens' just because they're dressed differently or the look might be a bit different. They're the Engineers, everyone else has said so, the production as mentioned above says so. This is the Engineer homeworld - David shows up and kills them - end of space jockey mystery.

If that sounds like an abrupt and convenient ending to a massive story thread, that's because it is.

David was programmed by Weyland to be obsessed with 'perfection'
Spoiler
as will be outlined in the prologue with Guy Pearce
[close]
hence his new drive to create/recreate, destroy all old forms of life and make new ones. He is now a mad scientist with delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: newagescamartist on Mar 31, 2017, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 09:23:19 AM
it does seem contradictory to other information we have, but I'm just speculating based off some of the descriptions of the new footage, which seems to be suggesting the victims aren't Engineers, but another humanoid race.

Everyone's tired of hearing from me, but: People are mistaken about them being 'different aliens' just because they're dressed differently or the look might be a bit different. They're the Engineers, everyone else has said so, the production as mentioned above says so. This is the Engineer homeworld - David shows up and kills them - end of space jockey mystery.

If that sounds like an abrupt and convenient ending to a massive story thread, that's because it is.

David was programmed by Weyland to be obsessed with 'perfection'
Spoiler
as will be outlined in the prologue with Guy Pearce
[close]
hence his new drive to create/recreate, destroy all old forms of life and make new ones. He is now a mad scientist with delusions of grandeur.

Depends on whether or not Awakening happens in between Prometheus and Covenant and if Scott and Fox are willing to explore the creators of the engineers. I find it hard to believe David kills all the engineers. Surely there are more out there somewhere. I'm just assuming lol.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 10:17:47 AM
I also just find it kind of ridiculous that after all that the Engineers are still kicking - and apparently just hanging out on their homeworld a mere 20+ years before Alien, despite their major cataclysm - all so David can end his and Shaw's cosmic journey by abruptly killing them, presumably so Ridley Scott and Fox can say 'all that space jockey stuff is gone, relax everybody, we're straight back to the aliens!'

And even if you don't want to go back to that stuff from the last movie, fine - but how and why are the legendary space jockeys, supposedly long dead, all still hanging out alive in what is nearly contemporary times for Alien? At best, if there were somehow survivors they should be beyond the reaches of where humanity (i.e. Covenant, not David and Shaw's juggernaut) can travel. It just destroys any mystique, all so they can insert a contrivance of 'look, David shows up and kills them all, we're done with that.'
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: newagescamartist on Mar 31, 2017, 10:24:26 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 10:17:47 AM
I also just find it kind of ridiculous that after all that the Engineers are still kicking - and apparently just hanging out on their homeworld a mere 20+ years before Alien, despite their major cataclysm - all so David can end his and Shaw's cosmic journey by abruptly killing them, presumably so Ridley Scott and Fox can say 'all that space jockey stuff is gone, relax everybody, we're straight back to the aliens!'

And even if you don't want to go back to that stuff from the last movie, fine - but how and why are the legendary space jockeys, supposedly long dead, all still hanging out alive in what is nearly contemporary times for Alien? At best, if there were somehow survivors they should be beyond the reaches of where humanity (i.e. Covenant, not David and Shaw's juggernaut) can travel. It just destroys any mystique, all so they can insert a contrivance of 'look, David shows up and kills them all, we're done with that.'

That's a concern, I agree. I'm holding out hope that Scott and Fox want to explore this stuff some more, just not in Covenant.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Alien Runner on Mar 31, 2017, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on Mar 31, 2017, 09:57:03 AM
If the spoilers are all true then the one where the mechanical part of the xenomorph has function must be true too! Can't wait.
Hmm, I don't recall reading about that. What did it say?

It just said that the mechanical appearance of the modern xenomorph isn't just for looks. It has a purpose and it helps the Alien move around the concrete/industrial jungles.

I thought about this new theory...

We know Jesus was an Engineer, if that is the case, I believe Mother Mary is the Alien Queen from AVP.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 09:23:19 AM
it does seem contradictory to other information we have, but I'm just speculating based off some of the descriptions of the new footage, which seems to be suggesting the victims aren't Engineers, but another humanoid race.

Everyone's tired of hearing from me, but: People are mistaken about them being 'different aliens' just because they're dressed differently or the look might be a bit different. They're the Engineers, everyone else has said so, the production as mentioned above says so. This is the Engineer homeworld - David shows up and kills them - end of space jockey mystery.

If that sounds like an abrupt and convenient ending to a massive story thread, that's because it is.

David was programmed by Weyland to be obsessed with 'perfection'
Spoiler
as will be outlined in the prologue with Guy Pearce
[close]
hence his new drive to create/recreate, destroy all old forms of life and make new ones. He is now a mad scientist with delusions of grandeur.

Your probably right SpeedyMaxx. Just want to see the trailer for myself, so I'm not relying on other peoples descriptions of what they thought they saw. A common problem with all these test screenings as well.

If your right, then I agree, it would be a terrible waste of the Engineers narrative potential for future films.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 31, 2017, 11:25:42 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 10:17:47 AM
I also just find it kind of ridiculous that after all that the Engineers are still kicking - and apparently just hanging out on their homeworld a mere 20+ years before Alien, despite their major cataclysm - all so David can end his and Shaw's cosmic journey by abruptly killing them, presumably so Ridley Scott and Fox can say 'all that space jockey stuff is gone, relax everybody, we're straight back to the aliens!'

And even if you don't want to go back to that stuff from the last movie, fine - but how and why are the legendary space jockeys, supposedly long dead, all still hanging out alive in what is nearly contemporary times for Alien? At best, if there were somehow survivors they should be beyond the reaches of where humanity (i.e. Covenant, not David and Shaw's juggernaut) can travel. It just destroys any mystique, all so they can insert a contrivance of 'look, David shows up and kills them all, we're done with that.'

By cataclysm, do you mean the outbreak we see in Prometheus? It is explained that this happened 2,000 years prior on a planet that's basically an army base. It's not like that wiped out every single Engineer. Our surviving Engineer in Prometheus was simply the survivor of that outbreak, and it makes sense to me that others wouldn't bother to go back to that planet post-outbreak. There's no good reason to believe there aren't other Engineers on other planets, still kicking, in "present" day. Unless I'm forgetting something in Prometheus that suggested they were extinct?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: ChrisPachi on Mar 31, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
If..

Spoiler
..there are two ships: the Juggernaut from 223 and a larger ship, both of which link up before bombing the planet..
[close]

..then what the holy f**k is going on here!?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
I do mean that outbreak, yes. It was suggested then that they were wiped out, and until now the mythos basically said the space jockeys have been gone for millennia. I saw no suggestion in any film - certainly not in Prometheus - that any other Engineers/jockeys were left alive in 2094. I just think the idea of them just chilling on their forest planet a couple decades before Alien waiting for Michael Fassbender to come nuke them is kind of ridiculous and detracts from the mystique of the original film.

And no, I don't think there are two ships. But who knows.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:00 PM
Yup. It's just so silly when you think about it. Even though I like seeing living engineers, it would have been much better if they were already dead.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
The more I think about it, the more it doesn't add up to me.

If this is the Engineers home world, then its a pretty disappointing place for such a technologically advanced race. One city, no other countries or nations on the whole planet?

David can wander in there and defeat them all in this way. A race that advanced and supposedly superior to us?

Where is their advanced technology and military (which we know they have from LV-223) their government and defences?

If they are the 'real' Engineers on that planet and not just another humanoid race, created in the Engineers image. Then I'm hoping Paradise is just one of their sacred worlds, being looked after by their equivalent of our monks, tending to the citadel. While other more advanced Engineers are living back on their home world and other colonies. If not the whole premise is somewhat ridiculous to me.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
Then I'm hoping Paradise is just one of their sacred worlds,

I'm hoping Ridley kicks the bucket before he makes another of these films.


..and maybe someone at Fox can
give this franchise back to Walter Hill and Giler.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 12:37:37 PM
...and when we finally get to see this latest trailer probably by mid April, we will then have spoiled ourselves like 90% of the entire movie in total, counting the other two trailers already seen. That said, the only remaining non-auto-spoiled thing about the movie left for us will be typical last act surprise, which imo will involve Shaw regardless some 4chan folks insist she's been killed /experimented on.

It's happening the same as with Prometheus. Scott is once more giving away the entire goddamn movie as If he didn't give a damn about anything else.

I don't trust him. I know Lindelof is fortunately no more, but taking into account Scott is doing the same again then that leaves me with so many doubts regarding the eventual quality of the film.

What happened with that Scott who showed us a couple of two quick shots literally when promting alien back in the seventies, and of course none of the two showed any creature?. Now it's justa 'bout building and building hype on the net; lots of money for marketing purposes, and then we shall see whether or not the film itself lives up to its own crazy marketing campaign of massive spoiling. But of course we will have already payed our theater pass before we can find it out.

The ammount of money they make that comes directly from the advertising made on a thousand internet sites like this one covering the movie thanks to the curious fools like us all, willing to spoil the movie ourselves gotta be so astronomic, that perhaps that's just the sole reason for Scott to not give a flying damn about giving away the entire movie.., again.

Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: NickisSmart on Mar 31, 2017, 12:41:47 PM


My thoughts in this new trailer, pre-viewing it.

Essentially I am weighing two things: 1) the symbiotic relationship between a suggested scene in the Gothic mode of storytelling and the viewer's imagination, potentially empowering both, versus 2) the potential value of knowing a certain amount of information retrospectively going in, as an audience to a ghost story teller's tale--from a second viewing of a movie, or a first viewing of a movie after having seen a trailer or viral that supplies us with certain key bits of knowledge that can potentially make or break the storytelling scene.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: zoidy on Mar 31, 2017, 12:42:08 PM
@fernandito

what you are complaining about is modern trailers, the modern movie industry, not Scott.

The film will not be made better or worse, or more or less successful, because you watched some trailers that you (think) spoil the movie too much. The movie will be good or bad based on what Scott and the actors did, and it will be successful or not based on the number of people who go and see it.

If the trailer spoils too much, but draws in huge numbers of people, it's done it's job.

I think complaining about it is ... hilarious  ;D


@skhellter

I would hope you stay awake at night wracked with guilt and shame for posting such a thing.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
I'm hoping Ridley kicks the bucket before he makes another of these films.
That's uncalled for and needlessly mean. Please refrain from saying things like this.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: ChrisPachi on Mar 31, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 12:06:19 PMAnd no, I don't think there are two ships. But who knows.

Spoiler
The footage started with an arc-like ship flying in the air. Think of it like an upside-down U, with the opening at the bottom. It then links with the iconic ship we recognise from LV-426 and other Alien films — the craft is a similar shape, but is flying in a different configuration. They link with their open ends, kind of like a puzzle...

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/03/theres-a-scene-in-alien-covenant-that-shows-destruction-on-a-whole-new-horrific-level/

The footage opened with a bunch of ships hovering over a civilization...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77536
[close]

We know nothing.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Imbrie on Mar 31, 2017, 12:57:48 PM
The Gizmodo article also corroborates others about
Spoiler
the beings wiped out by David are something between Engineer and Human.
[close]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 31, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 12:06:19 PMAnd no, I don't think there are two ships. But who knows.

Spoiler
The footage started with an arc-like ship flying in the air. Think of it like an upside-down U, with the opening at the bottom. It then links with the iconic ship we recognise from LV-426 and other Alien films — the craft is a similar shape, but is flying in a different configuration. They link with their open ends, kind of like a puzzle...

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/03/theres-a-scene-in-alien-covenant-that-shows-destruction-on-a-whole-new-horrific-level/

The footage opened with a bunch of ships hovering over a civilization...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77536
[close]

We know nothing.



Quote from: imbrie on Mar 31, 2017, 12:57:48 PM
The Gizmodo article also corroborates others about
Spoiler
the beings wiped out by David are something between Engineer and Human.
[close]

Hope their right.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 31, 2017, 01:12:28 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
Then I'm hoping Paradise is just one of their sacred worlds,

I'm hoping Ridley kicks the bucket before he makes another of these films.

1. That was rude.
2. You haven't seen Covenant yet.
3. If you don't like the way the story goes then don't watch it. Simple.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 01:12:54 PM
perhaps the classic u shape of the derelict-like ships sightly changes configuration when in "bombing mode"
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 31, 2017, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
Then I'm hoping Paradise is just one of their sacred worlds,

I'm hoping Ridley kicks the bucket before he makes another of these films.


..and maybe someone at Fox can
give this franchise back to Walter Hill and Giler.

Let me guess... IMDB right??
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
[close]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
The ships linking together is kind of cool. Wasn't the ship at the beginning of Prometheus more of a traditional oval shape?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Imbrie on Mar 31, 2017, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
The ships linking together is kind of cool. Wasn't the ship at the beginning of Prometheus more of a traditional oval shape?

Yep, more like a traditional flying saucer.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 31, 2017, 01:33:30 PM
Quote"What you're about to see is a small window into the hell that awaits our characters at their arrival on a strange human world," Scott said in the video. "I hope it scares the shit out of you."

Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
[close]

Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Prez on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
I said I wouldn't read any spoiler laden articles for this film and whaddya know...

Here I am again!

MUST. STOP. READING. FARKIN!

:o
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2017, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
[close]

Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

You'll probably have to watch the film to find out if there are any answers.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Necronomicon II on Mar 31, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Remember that Wayne Haag stated that the origins of the creature are still left a mystery ("it's about the tech that's found"); a refined/perfected creature of unknown origin is still an "alien", yet it's nonetheless something that strangely enough is perfectly adapted to kill humans/humanoids...                                                   Also consider that a film can still be great even if it's contrary to your canonical desires.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2017, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
[close]

Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

You'll probably have to watch the film to find out if there are any answers.

Right.

Because I see lot of such Spoilers fake and mere fan-fiction.

In one such Spoilers, I read that David fused his own DNA with the proto-xenomorph to create the classical biomechanical Xenomorph. I mean WTF! How could an android have a DNA?

I think the Engineers' world has been devastated by a different race of aliens. And David and Shaw just happened to visit post apocalypse and were simply surviving the hostile environment until the Covenant crews arrived.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Adorianu on Mar 31, 2017, 02:34:13 PM
Meh ;/ so it looks like those leaks were saying truth,so now we know entire movie,and i dont like the stroy from those leaks...
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Sgt. Shanx on Mar 31, 2017, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
Then I'm hoping Paradise is just one of their sacred worlds,
You just wished death on another human being who has personally done nothing to you...maybe David 8 is right..humanity has become cruel...weak and greedy...smdh

I'm hoping Ridley kicks the bucket before he makes another of these films.


..and maybe someone at Fox can
give this franchise back to Walter Hill and Giler.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: laborer983 on Mar 31, 2017, 02:39:21 PM
In order to create  one must first destroy
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: laborer on Mar 31, 2017, 02:46:11 PM
So where is Shaw while this is happening? She would probably be against David's Mass killing right?!
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Rudiger on Mar 31, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Can't say I'm overly excited.

For me, two of the greatest things about Alien were the alien itself (and the way it was shot), and the whole mystery surrounding the space jockey and all those damn eggs. Both were so "other worldly"...apart from the final man-in-suit shot. I'm finding that the more things are explained, the less interesting they have become.

After Aliens, the law of diminishing returns most definitely applies. Cameron delivered the perfect sequel, and I wish it had ended there. Nothing since has been anywhere near as good, IMHO of course.

Oh well.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
[close]

Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

How is this out of character for David? While he demonstrated admiration for the Engineer tech he seemed to have a degree of contempt for both the Engineers and humanity.


Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 31, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Can't say I'm overly excited.

For me, two of the greatest things about Alien were the alien itself (and the way it was shot), and the whole mystery surrounding the space jockey and all those damn eggs. Both were so "other worldly"...apart from the final man-in-suit shot. I'm finding that the more things are explained, the less interesting they have become.

After Aliens, the law of diminishing returns most definitely applies. Cameron delivered the perfect sequel, and I wish it had ended there. Nothing since has been anywhere near as good, IMHO of course.

Oh well.

So, you don't want any answers or just don't like the answers we're getting?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 31, 2017, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
Then I'm hoping Paradise is just one of their sacred worlds,

I'm hoping Ridley kicks the bucket before he makes another of these films.


..and maybe someone at Fox can
give this franchise back to Walter Hill and Giler.

Let me guess... IMDB right??
Woah woah woah...Not everyone from IMDB is a f**king asshole. Ive been a longtime member of IMDB
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 31, 2017, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 31, 2017, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Mar 31, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
Then I'm hoping Paradise is just one of their sacred worlds,

I'm hoping Ridley kicks the bucket before he makes another of these films.


..and maybe someone at Fox can
give this franchise back to Walter Hill and Giler.

Let me guess... IMDB right??
Woah woah woah...Not everyone from IMDB is a f**king asshole. Ive been a longtime member of IMDB
'

I know that. ;) :)
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
So this wasn't actually a trailer. It was con exclusive footage.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: laborer on Mar 31, 2017, 02:46:11 PM
So where is Shaw while this is happening? She would probably be against David's Mass killing right?!
If I remember correctly, one of the leaks said
Spoiler
David puts Shaw in cryosleep before killing the engineers.
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Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 31, 2017, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
So this wasn't actually a trailer. It was con exclusive footage.
What have your sources said??
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
Convention exclusive footage. Won't see official release.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 31, 2017, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
Convention exclusive footage. Won't see official release.
Figures. But at least we are not far off from release day.


A little more of a descriptive account.

Spoiler
QuoteThe footage opened with a bunch of ships hovering over a civilization of humanoid people that looked a little like the tall white dudes from Prometheus, but not quite so far out. Think somewhere between them and normal people. David opens a large cargo door on the familiar derelict Alien ship thing and unleashes a ton of those proto Alien egg canister things, which pop on the descent, covering the people with black ash. This makes them all kind of melt into blackish goo as they claw over themselves trying to escape.

David watches, tears in his eyes. My guess is that he wanted this to be the birth of his new species but it didn't quite work.

Over this is footage of the "couples" crew we've seen from the trailer out to find a new world to colonize. Most of this footage was what we've seen in the trailer, but there were a couple of quick gore shots (someone gets hit in the mouth by one of the small xenomorphs and it takes off their jaw, for instance), but mostly it was the same stuff you've seen.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77536 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77536)
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Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: locusta on Mar 31, 2017, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
Convention exclusive footage. Won't see official release.

You mean it won´t be included in the theatrical cut?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 31, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
Quote from: locusta on Mar 31, 2017, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
Convention exclusive footage. Won't see official release.

You mean it won´t be included in the theatrical cut?

I think he means it won't be released as promotional material prior to the film's release. Screening this scene and then leaving it out of the film wouldn't make sense at this point.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
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Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

How is this out of character for David? While he demonstrated admiration for the Engineer tech he seemed to have a degree of contempt for both the Engineers and humanity.


Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 31, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Can't say I'm overly excited.

For me, two of the greatest things about Alien were the alien itself (and the way it was shot), and the whole mystery surrounding the space jockey and all those damn eggs. Both were so "other worldly"...apart from the final man-in-suit shot. I'm finding that the more things are explained, the less interesting they have become.

After Aliens, the law of diminishing returns most definitely applies. Cameron delivered the perfect sequel, and I wish it had ended there. Nothing since has been anywhere near as good, IMHO of course.

Oh well.

So, you don't want any answers or just don't like the answers we're getting?


Oh really?

What makes you think he had a degree of contempt towards both humans and the engineers?

Just because he experimented on Holloway who always acted as a disrespectful dick to David or just because one mad engineer ripped his head off?

Does that make David simply blow off the whole engineer civilization without even exchanging a dialog with them?




Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: chris_bert on Mar 31, 2017, 04:49:20 PM
Well...there's always hope that if...

Spoiler
it turns out that David was able to use the black goo and find some type of recipe to re-create the xenomorph as a weapon
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...then maybe we'll get some type of crossover once Ridley's done with the final film where a director produces a movie like "Avengers Versus Xenomorphs" where Tony Stark really doesn't want to help the Avengers kill all of the xenomorphs on Earth to wipe out mankind because he wants to use their DNA to create his own weapon to sell to the highest-paying bad guy or evil government group and the rest of the Avengers have to help him find his moral compass and force him to do what's right, etc. I would probably pay good money to see this at the theater. Remember you heard it here first folks.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Mar 31, 2017, 05:09:26 PM
Do me a favour guys and leave my comment out when responding to what skhellter wrote. I'd prefer not be associated with that kind of comment and it's already been edited in a way to make it look as if I wrote it.




So no definitive answer for us until the film then.

Would of liked to have found out if these claims about a different humanoid race are true, or just a misinterpretation of what those who attended were seeing.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 31, 2017, 05:25:46 PM
fernandito, you have the choice to not preview and analyse every tiny morsel they throw out there. Stop blaming Scott and stop moaning. If you feel as though you have had the film ruined for you there is only one person to blame.

To be honest if you were they type of person that read Starlog or Fangoria back in the day, they would spoil the shit out of films with behind the scenes photos and set reports. Nothing has changed.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: salomonj on Mar 31, 2017, 05:40:35 PM
Shoot. That's a real shame we won't get to see the trailer
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
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Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

How is this out of character for David? While he demonstrated admiration for the Engineer tech he seemed to have a degree of contempt for both the Engineers and humanity.


Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 31, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Can't say I'm overly excited.

For me, two of the greatest things about Alien were the alien itself (and the way it was shot), and the whole mystery surrounding the space jockey and all those damn eggs. Both were so "other worldly"...apart from the final man-in-suit shot. I'm finding that the more things are explained, the less interesting they have become.

After Aliens, the law of diminishing returns most definitely applies. Cameron delivered the perfect sequel, and I wish it had ended there. Nothing since has been anywhere near as good, IMHO of course.

Oh well.

So, you don't want any answers or just don't like the answers we're getting?


Oh really?

What makes you think he had a degree of contempt towards both humans and the engineers?

Just because he experimented on Holloway who always acted as a disrespectful dick to David or just because one mad engineer ripped his head off?

Does that make David simply blow off the whole engineer civilization without even exchanging a dialog with them?

Well, you have certainly provided more evidence for my position than yours. It's clear that David is in God-mode. Humanity isn't worthy and the Engineers as their creators aren't worthy either. This is an exercise by David to create something greater than both.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 06:24:23 PM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Mar 31, 2017, 10:00:34 AM
If you absolutely hate the idea of David being the creator of the xenomorph, just take a deep breath. He isn't the creator of the catalyst aka the black goo. We know that deacons and other type of monstrosities existed prior. The black goo actually expanded the Alien universe to explore even bigger mysteries. It's still Alien. In many way it's even more Alien, since we might be witnessing an A.I. being born and then creating his own monsters. The creation of an A.I. is certainly alien in my book. And besides, this cements the Alien series as being the premiere Gnostic movie series. Prometheus gave us Sophia, and now we're going to see the Demiurge create his archons. Good stuff ahead.
This^^^^^ well said man!
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
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Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

How is this out of character for David? While he demonstrated admiration for the Engineer tech he seemed to have a degree of contempt for both the Engineers and humanity.


Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 31, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Can't say I'm overly excited.

For me, two of the greatest things about Alien were the alien itself (and the way it was shot), and the whole mystery surrounding the space jockey and all those damn eggs. Both were so "other worldly"...apart from the final man-in-suit shot. I'm finding that the more things are explained, the less interesting they have become.

After Aliens, the law of diminishing returns most definitely applies. Cameron delivered the perfect sequel, and I wish it had ended there. Nothing since has been anywhere near as good, IMHO of course.

Oh well.

So, you don't want any answers or just don't like the answers we're getting?


Oh really?

What makes you think he had a degree of contempt towards both humans and the engineers?

Just because he experimented on Holloway who always acted as a disrespectful dick to David or just because one mad engineer ripped his head off?

Does that make David simply blow off the whole engineer civilization without even exchanging a dialog with them?

Well, you have certainly provided more evidence for my position than yours. It's clear that David is in God-mode. Humanity isn't worthy and the Engineers as their creators aren't worthy either. This is an exercise by David to create something greater than both.

Plus David's "mortal afterall" quote in Prometheus when the Engineer's head explodes helps give us a glimpse at a slight disappointment in him about them.

And when Holloway says how they're going to ask the Engineers why they made us, he turns it around and says "why did you make me?", already viewing Engineers and humans as literally the same thing. Neither superior than the other.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 31, 2017, 06:39:42 PM
"maybe someone at Fox can give this franchise back to Walter Hill and Giler"

What the hell are you on about? At the most the best thing they did is introduce the idea of Androids into the series. They don't really have any input other than script changes regarding the budget restrictions on Alien, Creatively they have little influence. They just automatically get producer credits. So what do you mean by giving the franchise "back to Walter Hill and Giler"? They are the two mainly responsible for cutting a load of 'superfluous elements' out of alien due to budget wrangling.in the first place.

I'll choose to ignore your other obnoxious comment. You're obviously a refugee from another website, most likely seeking your daily dose of attention seeking here now.

P.s AvPG you might want to be aware of that, because before you know it, they will be on top of this place.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 07:03:55 PM
Maybe David just realizes, with his infinite intelligence, that mankind is indeed a destructive bacteria and rightfully wants to destroy it all. maybe wiping out the engineers was just practice to see if it would work. Either way, i for one think the direction with david is brilliant. And for the guy that said he wanted Ridley to die, you're and asshole, f**k you
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: chris_bert on Mar 31, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
I think I would be okay with the the direction the film is going with regard to David based on the screening leaks and reviews we've been hearing about (along with Riddles' commentaries in the interviews) if...

Spoiler
the story moved along the lines with David being able to re-create or resurrect the xenomorphs as weapons and he plans on actively destroying humans because we are unworthy. He decides to raise an army of xenomorphs and he leads this army in the destruction of mankind...where he's sort of a commander figure in a fight or war he sees worth waging. E.g., if he was planning on leading an army of xenomorphs to actively destroy us humans and he needed to lure, steal, and commandeer people and ships to do this and it's done with some type of epic battles between humans and xenos, etc. I think that might be rather interesting. If he's just going to re-create the xenomorphs as a weapon and then leave them for humans to stumble across so the unlucky humans are killed off in small numbers...it kind of makes for a weak story plot. If on the other hand he sees himself as some type of messiah on a mission to destroy the evil that is mandkind and he leads a war against us with his xeno army, that would be interesting and could span several films. I would definitely find this more interesting as a character type for David than what's floating around in my head.
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The suspense is really building and I can't wait to hear what people think when the film is released.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
[close]

Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

How is this out of character for David? While he demonstrated admiration for the Engineer tech he seemed to have a degree of contempt for both the Engineers and humanity.


Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 31, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Can't say I'm overly excited.

For me, two of the greatest things about Alien were the alien itself (and the way it was shot), and the whole mystery surrounding the space jockey and all those damn eggs. Both were so "other worldly"...apart from the final man-in-suit shot. I'm finding that the more things are explained, the less interesting they have become.

After Aliens, the law of diminishing returns most definitely applies. Cameron delivered the perfect sequel, and I wish it had ended there. Nothing since has been anywhere near as good, IMHO of course.

Oh well.

So, you don't want any answers or just don't like the answers we're getting?


Oh really?

What makes you think he had a degree of contempt towards both humans and the engineers?

Just because he experimented on Holloway who always acted as a disrespectful dick to David or just because one mad engineer ripped his head off?

Does that make David simply blow off the whole engineer civilization without even exchanging a dialog with them?

Well, you have certainly provided more evidence for my position than yours. It's clear that David is in God-mode. Humanity isn't worthy and the Engineers as their creators aren't worthy either. This is an exercise by David to create something greater than both.

Plus David's "mortal afterall" quote in Prometheus when the Engineer's head explodes helps give us a glimpse at a slight disappointment in him about them.

And when Holloway says how they're going to ask the Engineers why they made us, he turns it around and says "why did you make me?", already viewing Engineers and humans as literally the same thing. Neither superior than the other.
Later in the movie when he's talking about the engineers he literally says "a superior species, no doubt.", though.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
Good thing to know we won't be getting a trailer about this.

I'd say this scene won't be in the theatrical cut either. Smells to me to deleted scenes material for the bluray version

Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
Good thing to know we won't be getting a trailer about this.

I'd say this scene won't be in the theatrical cut either. Smells to me to deleted scenes material for the bluray version
That would be a really stupid move. But I can see it happening.  :D
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
That would be a really stupid move. But I can see it happening.  :D
I think removing this scene would be a good decision just as It was removing all the Hadley's Hope scenes from Aliens too
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
That would be a really stupid move. But I can see it happening.  :D
I think removing this scene would be a good decision just as It was removing all the Hadley's Hope scenes from Aliens too

??

Why would they promote a film coming out in less than 2 months by screening footage for journalists to report on......that wasn't in the actual movie?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: zoidy on Mar 31, 2017, 08:09:37 PM
Why would they go to the trouble of cutting a show reel of scenes for CinemaCon ... knowing they wouldn't be in the film?

Seriously.


What Denton said  ;D
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
It's a good thing you guys ask me things I can't tell about so I can give a flying damn.

I was just saying that imho, this kind of scene looks to me like deleted scene material for the extended bluray version.

The theatrical cut may very well be released without this scene in order to build mystery and tension about what happened when the covenant guys are over there, just as Cameron did in aliens with the colony scenes and Rebecca's too in order to build tension and mystery once the marines arrived, and enjoy the deleted scenes later on if you want to dig in deeper. Furthermore, I say It would be the right thing to do, just as Cameron did well too by removing those in aliens.

What is so difficult to understand about lol
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Plus David's "mortal afterall" quote in Prometheus when the Engineer's head explodes helps give us a glimpse at a slight disappointment in him about them.

And when Holloway says how they're going to ask the Engineers why they made us, he turns it around and says "why did you make me?", already viewing Engineers and humans as literally the same thing. Neither superior than the other.
Later in the movie when he's talking about the engineers he literally says "a superior species, no doubt.", though.

I completely forgot about that line.

Maybe he meant this in the sense that they're superior due to being augmented and ahead of us in time. Or it could've been a figure of speech to the human characters.

Now that I think about that line, perhaps David really did think of them as something better than us until the Engineer suddenly attacks for no reason (in his eyes) and it literally shatters his opinions on them into thinking they're just as violent and barbaric as humans.

Like father like son.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
It's a good thing you guys ask me things I can't tell about so I can give a flying damn.

I was just saying that imho, this kind of scene looks to me like deleted scene material for the extended bluray version.

The theatrical cut may very well be released without this scene in order to build mystery and tension about what happened when the covenant guys are over there, just as Cameron did in aliens with the colony scenes and Rebecca's too in order to build tension and mystery once the marines arrived, and enjoy the deleted scenes later on if you want to dig in deeper. Furthermore, I say It would be the right thing to do, just as Cameron did well too by removing those in aliens.

What is so difficult to understand about lol
Yeah, but they're using the scene to market the movie. So releasing the movie without this scene wouldn't make much sense, it would be very false marketing. And it's also not some kind of viral video, because Hicks said it won't be released online.

But there's still a slim chance it'll be deleted, of course.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Plus David's "mortal afterall" quote in Prometheus when the Engineer's head explodes helps give us a glimpse at a slight disappointment in him about them.

And when Holloway says how they're going to ask the Engineers why they made us, he turns it around and says "why did you make me?", already viewing Engineers and humans as literally the same thing. Neither superior than the other.
Later in the movie when he's talking about the engineers he literally says "a superior species, no doubt.", though.

I completely forgot about that line.

Maybe he meant this in the sense that they're superior due to being augmented and ahead of us in time. Or it could've been a figure of speech to the human characters.

Now that I think about that line, perhaps David really did think of them as something better than us until the Engineer suddenly attacks for no reason (in his eyes) and it literally shatters his opinions on them into thinking they're just as violent and barbaric as humans.

Like father like son.
Possible.  :)
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 08:26:53 PMYeah, but they're using the scene to market the movie. So releasing the movie without this scene wouldn't make much sense, it would be very false marketing
I don't agree with that reasoning at all. It's ok though
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 08:26:53 PMYeah, but they're using the scene to market the movie. So releasing the movie without this scene wouldn't make much sense, it would be very false marketing
I don't agree with that reasoning at all. It's ok though
Well then, enlighten me.  :)

I mean, it wouldn't be very false marketing, as only a few people have seen it, but it would still be false marketing.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:45:39 PM
You've just answered yourself.

Wasn't my intention to enlight you about anything anyway. I was just giving my opinion on why it would be better to remove such scene from the theatrical cut while giving the perfect example that it was aliens, and that imo it will be eventually removed
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Infected on Mar 31, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
Its a goddamn warzone out here.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:45:39 PM
You've just answered yourself.

Wasn't my intention to enlight you about anything anyway. I was just giving my opinion on why it would be better to remove such scene from the theatrical cut while giving the perfect example that it was aliens, and that imo it will be eventually removed
Well, you might think it's better to remove it, and that's completely fine. But Ridley Scott and Fox don't think it's better to remove it. So it'll most likely be in the movie.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
indeed! I'm sure you know better than even them about their plan
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 09:07:59 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
indeed! I'm sure you know better than even them about their plan
Alrighty then.

I have concluded that this is a complete waste of time. In May we will see if the scene is in the film or not.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 09:12:39 PM
I concur
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
This isn't some minor scene though. This is a plot defining extravaganza.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: zoidy on Mar 31, 2017, 09:50:13 PM
Bizarre.

Movie company (and powerful director) show selected scenes to build hype.
Media hype the scenes - not just the movie, but these scenes.
Movie co and director remove them from the movie released just a few weeks later.

lol
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: acidreign on Mar 31, 2017, 09:56:14 PM
There really shouldn't be any confusion about this. The footage was shown at Cinemacon, which is a convention held by NATO (the National Association of Theater Owners). Studios hold showcases there to get distributors excited about their upcoming films. The Alien Covenant footage they showed was a sizzle reel put together solely for that purpose.

While there may have been a cut tested without it, there's no reason to think that the scene in question won't be in the final film.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 31, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: acidreign on Mar 31, 2017, 09:56:14 PM
There really shouldn't be any confusion about this. The footage was shown at Cinemacon, which is a convention held by NATO (the National Association of Theater Owners). Studios hold showcases there to get distributors excited about their upcoming films. The Alien Covenant footage they showed was a sizzle reel put together solely for that purpose.

While there may have been a cut tested without it, there's no reason to think that the scene in question won't be in the final film.

^This.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
This sounds like the grandest, and likely most expensive scene in the movie. I seriously doubt it was intended to be an extra for the  bluray release
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: zoidy on Mar 31, 2017, 11:00:06 PM
typo alert Hicks
"when the fun. comes out"  ;)
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 31, 2017, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
This sounds like the grandest, and likely most expensive scene in the movie. I seriously doubt it was intended to be an extra for the  bluray release

Agreed. And it's really odd they ever considered excising it from the film.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: zoidy on Mar 31, 2017, 11:25:37 PM
Wait, who says they considered excising it from the film?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: shawsbaby on Mar 31, 2017, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 31, 2017, 11:25:37 PM
Wait, who says they considered excising it from the film?

A second round of test screenings reportedly had the scene removed from the film, perhaps to create more ambiguity. Up until yesterday, it had been assumed that it was indeed cut from the film's final version; now we have reason to believe it remains intact.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Predaker on Mar 31, 2017, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
This isn't some minor scene though. This is a plot defining extravaganza.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 31, 2017, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 31, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
This sounds like the grandest, and likely most expensive scene in the movie. I seriously doubt it was intended to be an extra for the  bluray release

Agreed. And it's really odd they ever considered excising it from the film.

It's a total moneyshot and leaving it out isn't akin to pre-infestation Hadley's.

I hope this is in the final cut!
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: zoidy on Mar 31, 2017, 11:41:23 PM
@shawsbaby

ah, that makes sense thanks
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
Quote from: fernandito on Mar 31, 2017, 08:45:39 PM
You've just answered yourself.

Wasn't my intention to enlight you about anything anyway. I was just giving my opinion on why it would be better to remove such scene from the theatrical cut while giving the perfect example that it was aliens, and that imo it will be eventually removed

Find a 1986 Aliens promo featuring sentry guns and Hadley's Hope and your reasoning would make at least some sense.

Because there isn't one. You don't market a theatrical release showing extensive footage that will end up on the cutting room floor and on the Blu Ray.

Just because you blindly dislike a scene you haven't viewed in the context of a film you haven't viewed, doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.

You sound like you really know what you're talking about, though. Fox editing is awaiting your application.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Predaker on Apr 01, 2017, 01:30:46 AM
I don't think the pre-infestation scenes of Hadley's Hope are a good example at all. Leaving those out actually added to the mystique and left it completely to the audience's imagination. They weren't thematically important, either.

By keeping the bombing scene we get to see the ship in action and not just crashed in the woods. With Ridley at the helm this should be visually impressive, as well as fitting nicely with the grander themes being presented. Also it could potentially ratchet up the tension or dread when the crew first encounters David.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: newagescamartist on Apr 01, 2017, 03:36:10 AM
It's silly to think this won't be in the movie. This close to release they're showing some of their cards to build hype ( and it's working ). They aren't going to preview huge narrative sections like this to just remove it at the last second. That's essentially throwing money/time/resources down the toilet. Won't happen. This will be in the movie.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 04:04:00 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 01, 2017, 01:30:46 AM
I don't think the pre-infestation scenes of Hadley's Hope are a good example at all. Leaving those out actually added to the mystique and left it completely to the audience's imagination. They weren't thematically important, either.

By keeping the bombing scene we get to see the ship in action and not just crashed in the woods. With Ridley at the helm this should be visually impressive, as well as fitting nicely with the grander themes being presented. Also it could potentially ratchet up the tension or dread when the crew first encounters David.

You misinterpreted. The example was deleted scenes not being advertised as part of the movie. Hence why we never saw Mr. Jordan getting facehugged in a preview or even heard about it until way after.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 06:23:36 AM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
Because there isn't one. You don't market a theatrical release showing extensive footage that will end up on the cutting room floor and on the Blu Ray.
The first trailer of Rogue One [in]famously features almost no footage from the final film in it, outside of some effects shots.

Alien has a giant floating egg that's nowhere in the movie.

Predators has Royce covered in targeting lasers, despite only one appearing in the final film.

Etc.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 07:10:29 AM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 12:47:57 AM

Find a 1986 Aliens promo featuring sentry guns and Hadley's Hope and your reasoning would make at least some sense.

Because there isn't one. You don't market a theatrical release showing extensive footage that will end up on the cutting room floor and on the Blu Ray.

Just because you blindly dislike a scene you haven't viewed in blahblah I just doon't know what im talking about blah blah BLAAHHH!!..

blahblah etc
ssshhh quiet kid, and listen to the ones who really know how this actually works:

Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 06:23:36 AM
The first trailer of Rogue One [in]famously features almost no footage from the final film in it, outside of some effects shots.

Alien has a giant floating egg that's nowhere in the movie.

Predators has Royce covered in targeting lasers, despite only one appearing in the final film.

Etc.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Darth Vile on Apr 01, 2017, 07:10:49 AM
That's true. I guess this is more to do with how much of the film was locked down before editing. Some films only take shape during editing, some have very tight scripts where pretty much everything makes it to the final cut. Rogue One had substantial re-shoots; so it's no surprise that footage seen in trailers didn't make it to the final cut. I guess David wiping out the citadel is a key scene that Scott, at one point, believed showed too much? It's obviously difficult for us to assess merits without the context... but if they are using it at events such as this, it suggests to me that it's in the film. It would be rare to find an example of a full scene being used for promotional material, and then for it to be exorcised completely. 
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 07:16:42 AM
Quotessshhh quiet kid, and listen to the ones who really know how this actually works:
Man, don't be a dick about it :-\

TV tropes has a pretty great list of missing trailer scenes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MissingTrailerScene

And apparently there were 46 bits of footage in various Rogue One trailers that didn't make the final film.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Horshu on Apr 01, 2017, 07:46:08 AM
I think/hope you're on to something. Maybe this is the planet from the beginning of Prometheus (instead of Earth or some rando planet/moon), which is why the inhabitants aren't actually Engineers (my other thought on that is that Ridley didn't want to create hundreds of 10' corpses, since it's easier to make molds from actual people, but I want a storyline reason)
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The_Foxcatcher on Apr 01, 2017, 07:53:38 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Mar 31, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
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Quote from: Cavalorn on Mar 31, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
Oh crikey this is exciting. Taps right into the whole religious theme that began with Prometheus, but not in the sucky way I'd feared.

And it adds some serious context to the word 'Covenant', too.

Spoiler

Much like the Biblical myth of the flood, David destroys the engineers in a deluge. But instead of a rain of water, it's a rain of black goo. And instead of God setting his rainbow arch in the sky as a sign, we've got the crescent-shaped Juggernaut.

"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed... they are a dying species, grasping for resurrection."

I'll just add that to the mountain of blatant Space Jesus references...
[close]

Looks like such a cheap cop-out!

I mean David simply bombs them for what? It was clear by the end of Prometheus that Shaw wanted to know the 'why' answer. She went to learn more. Not to kill the Engineers. And why would David want to kill the Engineers, if it was his sole decision? He is least bothered to save humans on Earth. He was curious robot and wanted to learn and understand the Engineers universe. He was enjoying so much in exploring the juggernaut, hologram recordings, understanding and decoding their language etc. Why would he want to destroy them and all and choose to live alone just to create demons out of the black goo? All alone!

It's way out of the characters of David and Shaw. Can't digest it!

How is this out of character for David? While he demonstrated admiration for the Engineer tech he seemed to have a degree of contempt for both the Engineers and humanity.


Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 31, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Can't say I'm overly excited.

For me, two of the greatest things about Alien were the alien itself (and the way it was shot), and the whole mystery surrounding the space jockey and all those damn eggs. Both were so "other worldly"...apart from the final man-in-suit shot. I'm finding that the more things are explained, the less interesting they have become.

After Aliens, the law of diminishing returns most definitely applies. Cameron delivered the perfect sequel, and I wish it had ended there. Nothing since has been anywhere near as good, IMHO of course.

Oh well.

So, you don't want any answers or just don't like the answers we're getting?


Oh really?

What makes you think he had a degree of contempt towards both humans and the engineers?

Just because he experimented on Holloway who always acted as a disrespectful dick to David or just because one mad engineer ripped his head off?

Does that make David simply blow off the whole engineer civilization without even exchanging a dialog with them?

Well, you have certainly provided more evidence for my position than yours. It's clear that David is in God-mode. Humanity isn't worthy and the Engineers as their creators aren't worthy either. This is an exercise by David to create something greater than both.

Plus David's "mortal afterall" quote in Prometheus when the Engineer's head explodes helps give us a glimpse at a slight disappointment in him about them.

And when Holloway says how they're going to ask the Engineers why they made us, he turns it around and says "why did you make me?", already viewing Engineers and humans as literally the same thing. Neither superior than the other.


What an utter rabid fan-fiction thing is to claim that David hates humans and the Engineers!

"Mortal, after all!" = David finds the Engineers not worthy = Hate them = Kill them

Wow!

::)
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 07:53:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 07:16:42 AMMan, don't be a dick about it :-\
Come on man, you know they have to respect them bed time mark
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 01, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 06:23:36 AM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
Because there isn't one. You don't market a theatrical release showing extensive footage that will end up on the cutting room floor and on the Blu Ray.
The first trailer of Rogue One [in]famously features almost no footage from the final film in it, outside of some effects shots.

Alien has a giant floating egg that's nowhere in the movie.

Predators has Royce covered in targeting lasers, despite only one appearing in the final film.

Etc.

I wouldn't compare those things to the scene with David and Engineers because that particular scene wasn't part of the trailer. It isn't something small (floating egg or Royce covered in lasers). It was a proper scene from the movie. Very expensive scene.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Hemi on Apr 01, 2017, 07:57:37 AM
Quotessshhh quiet kid, and listen to the ones who really know how this actually works:

"Shhh little baby, wait untill you see the fcking movie untill you condemn it." See, anyone can be condescending.

Have a little respect for a constructive conversation. This isn't IMDB, and if you want this to be your new home discussing these movies show some respect for fellow forum members. He's stating fact; You are judging a clip and an entire movie before you even see it. Not that smart if you ask me...  :-\ 


Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 01, 2017, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Apr 01, 2017, 03:36:10 AM
It's silly to think this won't be in the movie. This close to release they're showing some of their cards to build hype ( and it's working ). They aren't going to preview huge narrative sections like this to just remove it at the last second. That's essentially throwing money/time/resources down the toilet. Won't happen. This will be in the movie.

Agree.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Necronomicon II on Apr 01, 2017, 08:02:39 AM
I suspect the engineers do something (or perhaps have already done something) which makes David change his mind.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 01, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
I wouldn't compare those things to the scene with David and Engineers because that particular scene wasn't part of the trailer. It isn't something small (floating egg or Royce covered in lasers). It was a proper scene from the movie. Very expensive scene.
Again, Rogue One had many completed, expensive VFX shots in the trailer than never made it into the film. Most of what you see of the fight on the beach planet isn't seen in the finished movie, yet there's a lot of very expensive VFX work in there.

I highly doubt the David/Engineer scene will be left on the cutting room floor, but the point is made: movies absolutely are frequently advertised using footage that doesn't get seen in theaters.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: newagescamartist on Apr 01, 2017, 08:19:30 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 01, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
I wouldn't compare those things to the scene with David and Engineers because that particular scene wasn't part of the trailer. It isn't something small (floating egg or Royce covered in lasers). It was a proper scene from the movie. Very expensive scene.
Again, Rogue One had many completed, expensive VFX shots in the trailer than never made it into the film. Most of what you see of the fight on the beach planet isn't seen in the finished movie, yet there's a lot of very expensive VFX work in there.

I highly doubt the David/Engineer scene will be left on the cutting room floor, but the point is made: movies absolutely are frequently advertised using footage that doesn't get seen in theaters.

Correct, but can you imagine if they had shown the destroyer crashing into the other destroyer and then falling towards the planet/moon and removed that sequence? That's the equivalent of what I'm reading about in Covenant. It would take some monumental change in direction for this type of sequence to be removed, and at this late stage in the development, we should be even more worried if it is removed. But yea, you make excellent points.  ;D
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: neomorpheus on Apr 01, 2017, 09:38:17 AM
Well, they killed his father, he knew they were going to eradicate the Earth with the goo so he's probably been planning this revenge for a long time.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: Hemi on Apr 01, 2017, 07:57:37 AM
"Shhh little baby, wait untill you see the fcking movie untill you condemn it." See, anyone can be condescending.

Have a little respect for a constructive conversation. This isn't IMDB, and if you want this to be your new home discussing these movies show some respect for fellow forum members. He's stating fact; You are judging a clip and an entire movie before you even see it. Not that smart if you ask me...  :-\
lol no one was condemning the movie. From the very beginning before children lost them lollipops I was just pointing out just saying that, again imho, such scene might very well get removed due to its very nature, in order to keep the mystery to the audiences once the covenant arrives at the planet

Seriously who said that scene is not good?. Haven't even watched it yet for gods sake!. I was neither condemning nor disliking anything. I can't wait to see the movie.

Pleasetry to not engaging any conversation you might difficulty to follow, because you either keep acting like a salty teen, or IQs did just drop sharply while I was away.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Beardomorph on Apr 01, 2017, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
Again, Rogue One had many completed, expensive VFX shots in the trailer than never made it into the film. Most of what you see of the fight on the beach planet isn't seen in the finished movie

Yes, but that was, what, 8 months before the release of the movie? They had to put a teaser trailer together based on available footage before the movie was finished.
Covenant is likely completed at this point, save for CGI. We're a month away from the premiere, it's highly unlikely they'd show a scene that expensive a month from release if it were not included in the movie. And on top of that, given the positive reception by the crowd at Cinemacon, why on earth would they decide to remove a well-received expensive scene from a movie that is likely completed?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
I highly doubt the David/Engineer scene will be left on the cutting room floor, but the point is made: movies absolutely are frequently advertised using footage that doesn't get seen in theaters.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Beardomorph on Apr 01, 2017, 10:23:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
I highly doubt the David/Engineer scene will be left on the cutting room floor, but the point is made: movies absolutely are frequently advertised using footage that doesn't get seen in theaters.

I read you right the first time ;)
Do we have examples of footage being shown a month before release that doesn't get into theatres?
Because six months ahead of time, sure, I get it, it happens a lot. But a month before?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: Beardomorph on Apr 01, 2017, 10:23:04 AM
I read you right the first time ;)
allow me the benefit of doubt given the current circumstances
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Russ840 on Apr 01, 2017, 10:57:01 AM
This place is really getting bogged down by rude, condescending NEW members.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Hemi on Apr 01, 2017, 11:11:29 AM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: Hemi on Apr 01, 2017, 07:57:37 AM
"Shhh little baby, wait untill you see the fcking movie untill you condemn it." See, anyone can be condescending.

Have a little respect for a constructive conversation. This isn't IMDB, and if you want this to be your new home discussing these movies show some respect for fellow forum members. He's stating fact; You are judging a clip and an entire movie before you even see it. Not that smart if you ask me...  :-\
lol no one was condemning the movie. From the very beginning before children lost them lollipops I was just pointing out just saying that, again imho, such scene might very well get removed due to its very nature, in order to keep the mystery to the audiences once the covenant arrives at the planet

Seriously who said that scene is not good?. Haven't even watched it yet for gods sake!. I was neither condemning nor disliking anything. I can't wait to see the movie.

Pleasetry to not engaging any conversation you might difficulty to follow, because you either keep acting like a salty teen, or IQs did just drop sharply while I was away.


QuoteI was just giving my opinion on why it would be better to remove such scene from the theatrical cut while giving the perfect example that it was aliens, and that imo it will be eventually removed

Seems you already formed an opinion, or not? Or did you? Can't tell...  :P

QuoteThis place is really getting bogged down by rude, condescending NEW members.

Report them, and get them a time out. Thats what you do with kids too.  :P
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Beardomorph on Apr 01, 2017, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: Beardomorph on Apr 01, 2017, 10:23:04 AM
I read you right the first time ;)
allow me the benefit of doubt given the current circumstances

I wasn't addressing you, I was talking to SiL ( which is why I quoted him ).

Does anybody know if the footage shown at CinemaCon is supposed to make its way online at some point as part of the marketing campaign, or was it a one-off?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Evanus on Apr 01, 2017, 12:33:10 PM
According to Hicks the new footage was CinemaCon exclusive, so it won't be released online.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Predaker on Apr 01, 2017, 01:23:59 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 04:04:00 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 01, 2017, 01:30:46 AM
I don't think the pre-infestation scenes of Hadley's Hope are a good example at all. Leaving those out actually added to the mystique and left it completely to the audience's imagination. They weren't thematically important, either.

By keeping the bombing scene we get to see the ship in action and not just crashed in the woods. With Ridley at the helm this should be visually impressive, as well as fitting nicely with the grander themes being presented. Also it could potentially ratchet up the tension or dread when the crew first encounters David.

You misinterpreted. The example was deleted scenes not being advertised as part of the movie. Hence why we never saw Mr. Jordan getting facehugged in a preview or even heard about it until way after.

No, he said that leaving the bombing scene out would build mystery and tension by using the HH scenes as an example.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Beardomorph on Apr 01, 2017, 01:29:37 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 01, 2017, 12:33:10 PM
According to Hicks the new footage was CinemaCon exclusive, so it won't be released online.

Thank you ;)
Probably for the best. It'll be nice to still have a sense of discovery and expectation when sitting in the theatre.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Apr 01, 2017, 11:11:29 AM
Seems you already formed an opinion, or not? Or did you? Can't tell...  :P
oho did you, did I?, you can't tell? uhu  uh?

You mate really make those dumb imdb forums you seem to like so much to talk about look good. Don't denigrate yourself any further. I'm very emotional and the laughter will soon turn into tears of sorrow

Quote from: Beardomorph on Apr 01, 2017, 11:57:38 AM
I wasn't addressing you, I was talking to SiL ( which is why I quoted him ).
i know man i know. My apologizes anyway
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 04:12:13 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 06:23:36 AM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
Because there isn't one. You don't market a theatrical release showing extensive footage that will end up on the cutting room floor and on the Blu Ray.
The first trailer of Rogue One [in]famously features almost no footage from the final film in it, outside of some effects shots.

Alien has a giant floating egg that's nowhere in the movie.

Predators has Royce covered in targeting lasers, despite only one appearing in the final film.

Etc.

...and neither the floating egg or the multiple lasers were deleted scenes either.


Quote from: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 07:10:29 AM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 12:47:57 AM

Find a 1986 Aliens promo featuring sentry guns and Hadley's Hope and your reasoning would make at least some sense.

Because there isn't one. You don't market a theatrical release showing extensive footage that will end up on the cutting room floor and on the Blu Ray.

Just because you blindly dislike a scene you haven't viewed in blahblah I just doon't know what im talking about blah blah BLAAHHH!!..

blahblah etc
ssshhh quiet kid, and listen to the ones who really know how this actually works:

Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 06:23:36 AM
The first trailer of Rogue One [in]famously features almost no footage from the final film in it, outside of some effects shots.

Alien has a giant floating egg that's nowhere in the movie.

Predators has Royce covered in targeting lasers, despite only one appearing in the final film.

Etc.

There should be a common sense filter on here for people like you.

Maybe your education was a deleted scene in the embarrassment you call a life, "kid."
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 05:11:08 PM
you make a lot of sense
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 01, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 05:11:08 PM
you make a lot of sense

It's ok, maybe you can edit yourself in a scene where the Engineers create you with more brain cells.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The Alien Predator on Apr 01, 2017, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on Apr 01, 2017, 07:53:38 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 31, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Plus David's "mortal afterall" quote in Prometheus when the Engineer's head explodes helps give us a glimpse at a slight disappointment in him about them.

And when Holloway says how they're going to ask the Engineers why they made us, he turns it around and says "why did you make me?", already viewing Engineers and humans as literally the same thing. Neither superior than the other.


What an utter rabid fan-fiction thing is to claim that David hates humans and the Engineers!

"Mortal, after all!" = David finds the Engineers not worthy = Hate them = Kill them

Wow!

::)

It's ok, buddy, here's a cookie to calm you down. It's just a movie. Relax.  :)
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Hemi on Apr 01, 2017, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Apr 01, 2017, 11:11:29 AM
Seems you already formed an opinion, or not? Or did you? Can't tell...  :P
oho did you, did I?, you can't tell? uhu  uh?

You mate really make those dumb imdb forums you seem to like so much to talk about look good. Don't denigrate yourself any further. I'm very emotional and the laughter will soon turn into tears of sorrow


(https://somenerdgirl.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/happyto.jpg?w=736)
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: cliffhanger on Apr 01, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
this thread

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/2717b7c8220871588d4ead8e0af03e82/tumblr_nqx7r5lCdk1uzvf19o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: RidgeTop on Apr 01, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
Let's keep it civil, guys.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Dangerous Days on Apr 01, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Expect the bombing scene to be in the theatrical cut myself. It was probably just left out of the recent test screening so they could see how the film played with a more ambiguous approach. Might of received negative feedback about the film being confusing in that regard, so have decided to put the scene back in to add context.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ultramorph on Apr 01, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
I agree. This scene sounds way, way too expensive to not include in the film.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: locusta on Apr 01, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
Freaking love to see that scene now!
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Kronnang_Dunn on Apr 01, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
"hundreds of years after David actions"... What the?  :o
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Most likely them just not knowing what's going on.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: skhellter on Apr 01, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 01, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
this thread

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/2717b7c8220871588d4ead8e0af03e82/tumblr_nqx7r5lCdk1uzvf19o1_400.gif)

:laugh:
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: newagescamartist on Apr 01, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 01, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 01, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
this thread

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/2717b7c8220871588d4ead8e0af03e82/tumblr_nqx7r5lCdk1uzvf19o1_400.gif)

:laugh:

And Ridley Scott is the one filming the action.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ultramorph on Apr 01, 2017, 11:54:51 PM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Apr 01, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 01, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 01, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
this thread

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/2717b7c8220871588d4ead8e0af03e82/tumblr_nqx7r5lCdk1uzvf19o1_400.gif)

:laugh:

And Ridley Scott is the one filming the action.

:laugh:
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 02, 2017, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 01, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
I agree. This scene sounds way, way too expensive to not include in the film.

Looking forward to seeing the scene but only reservation is I hope it doesn't further complicate the black goo's effects.

Hope David talks about the goo and sheds some light on what it is during the film. If it plays such a big role in xenomorph creation it should be presented as more than a mysterious catalyst or accelerant imo.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Anthony on Apr 02, 2017, 12:43:09 AM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 01, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
this thread

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/2717b7c8220871588d4ead8e0af03e82/tumblr_nqx7r5lCdk1uzvf19o1_400.gif)

Lmao pretty much. I'm starting to regret it a bit.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: whiterabbit on Apr 02, 2017, 12:50:28 AM
The more I think about evil David standing on the Juggernaut's loading platform watching over his experimental carnage, the more I'm thinking Skynet with highlights and being more human than machine!
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Scorpio on Apr 02, 2017, 02:28:21 AM
It gives David's comment "Sometimes to create, you must first destroy" so much more meaning now.  I think I'll have to watch Prometheus again after Covenant to see how they link up.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: bunnyavpg on Apr 02, 2017, 02:46:41 AM
I would hazard a guess that the 'Engineers' on LV-223 were not direct descendants of the 'Creation Engineers' seen at the start of Prometheus but just another seeded race. That would explain their different technology (the Juggernaut vs the Flying Saucer and the biomechanical vs the simple robes) as well as their motivation (one creates the other destroys). When David is talking about the human race he means every race created by the Engineers.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The Alien Predator on Apr 02, 2017, 04:08:45 AM
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Apr 02, 2017, 02:46:41 AM
I would hazard a guess that the 'Engineers' on LV-223 were not direct descendants of the 'Creation Engineers' seen at the start of Prometheus but just another seeded race. That would explain their different technology (the Juggernaut vs the Flying Saucer and the biomechanical vs the simple robes) as well as their motivation (one creates the other destroys). When David is talking about the human race he means every race created by the Engineers.

Those could just be different factions of Engineers, the styles being due to different cultures.

Like how a Shaolin Monk wears robes while you likely wear something a bit more tighter.

Their different motivations are due to different agendas, one faction seeks to create while another destroys.

The Juggernaut and the Flying Saucer are basically different classes of Engineer ships built for different purposes. Like the Nostromo and the Sulaco are for humans.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Scorpio on Apr 02, 2017, 04:36:49 AM
Maybe the last engineer in Prometheus was like an android, hence why it had a biomech getup going on.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 02, 2017, 05:33:44 AM
They're the Engineers. David kills them.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Alien Runner on Apr 02, 2017, 08:37:44 AM
I don't get what is so difficult to accept.

Engineers spread through the galaxy by sacrificing one of their own to start a new. Not every engineer civilization will be as advanced as the ones we saw in Prometheus because they might be at an infant stage of development. David probably encountered a young Engineer civilization and dropped the hammer on them to prevent them from evolving into something like their predecessors. Its that simple.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Scorpio on Apr 02, 2017, 08:41:32 AM
I would prefer it to be completely unexplained to be honest.  Leave it a mystery.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Infected on Apr 02, 2017, 09:09:30 AM
Remember this time before Prometheus, all those space tapir memes came out. Remember, remember.... rip Fifield.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2017, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 01, 2017, 07:10:29 AM
ssshhh quiet kid, and listen to the ones who really know how this actually works:

I'm getting very bored of seeing a condescending attitude from you. If I see it again, you will no longer have the ability to post on this website.

We shouldn't have to keep reminding people to be civil or respectful. You're supposed to be adults. Behave like it please or you simply aren't welcome here. It's that simple.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: XenoBishop on Apr 02, 2017, 10:27:58 AM
Can I just add my two-cents,

I just watched a reaction video from GeekTyrant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKSICi_spRo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKSICi_spRo)) - they are usually reliable. They were quite clear that the footage shows a NEW type of species being destroyed by the black-goo bombs. As some people stated from the set-leak that the dead bodies didn't look large enough to be Engineers, according to this video, its because they aren't.

They are apparently another (less advanced, Roman empire-like) race, like humans in which the Engineers created.


So, ya.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: bunnyavpg on Apr 02, 2017, 02:25:44 PM
Quote from: Alien Runner on Apr 02, 2017, 08:37:44 AM
I don't get what is so difficult to accept.

Engineers spread through the galaxy by sacrificing one of their own to start a new. Not every engineer civilization will be as advanced as the ones we saw in Prometheus because they might be at an infant stage of development. David probably encountered a young Engineer civilization and dropped the hammer on them to prevent them from evolving into something like their predecessors. Its that simple.

David's 'Lab' has what looks like papyrus and charcoal drawings on the walls and his instruments and tools are medieval. There is no sign of any modern technology whatsoever. Add this to the set report about a sacrificial altar and we are looking at a species equivalent to the Aztecs or ancient Egyptians. These are not the Engineers from the start of Prometheus but another product of them.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Apr 02, 2017, 02:27:46 PM
The existence of another, more primitive alien race related to humanity/Engineers makes sense given David's commentary. Humanity was doomed to destruction and this group was the do over attempt. David feels this attempt is also doomed to fail so he wants to prevent it's inevitable rise.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: bunnyavpg on Apr 02, 2017, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 02, 2017, 02:27:46 PM
The existence of another, more primitive alien race related to humanity/Engineers makes sense given David's commentary. Humanity was doomed to destruction and this group was the do over attempt. David feels this attempt is also doomed to fail so he wants to prevent it's inevitable rise.

There could be other planets out there inhabited by variants of Engineer created 'humans' in differing stages of advancement. David could have his hands full.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 02, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
Confused about one thing...the footage reports say the derelict is in the act of docking above the citadel, while the trailer shows it clearly crashed in the forest.

What could have transpired to cause that? Maybe David tried to take off and do the same thing to another planet?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: fiveways on Apr 02, 2017, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 02, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
Confused about one thing...the footage reports say the derelict is in the act of docking above the citadel, while the trailer shows it clearly crashed in the forest.

What could have transpired to cause that? Maybe David tried to take off and do the same thing to another planet?

Spoiler
Shaw dies crashing it is one possibility.  Or she trashes it trying to stop him from going to other worlds and destroying them.  I'd be ok with that being Shaw death.
[close]
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Nyarlathotep on Apr 02, 2017, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 01, 2017, 10:57:01 AM
This place is really getting bogged down by rude, condescending NEW members.
I know, we can thank IMDB's closing of it's (atrocious) messaging boards for that.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Huggs on Apr 02, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
If Covenant is indeed set hundreds of years after David attacked the engineers, then Shaw is probably dead or was left in an engineer cryo-pod. Judging by that nap the engineer in Prometheus took, I'd say it's entirely plausible. But I wonder if the effects of such a long sleep would effect humans differently than the engineers. Ripley pulled a long stretch, but not hundreds of years. Could brain death or insanity occur after say, 100 -150 years? Either way, David definitely appears to be hostile towards humanity, whether this extended to Shaw or not is the thing. I Personally don't think it's set that far into the future from Prometheus, but you never know.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Darth Vile on Apr 02, 2017, 04:48:04 PM
This is still a prequel to Alien, so we know it's not hundreds of years post Prometheus.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 02, 2017, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 02, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
If Covenant is indeed set hundreds of years after David attacked the engineers (...)

10 years after Prometheus.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 02, 2017, 05:29:20 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 02, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
Confused about one thing...the footage reports say the derelict is in the act of docking above the citadel, while the trailer shows it clearly crashed in the forest.

What could have transpired to cause that? Maybe David tried to take off and do the same thing to another planet?

They also say that there were evidently other Engineer ships escorting David. Maybe they decided to shoot him down after he started nuking the inhabitants with the accelerant. But what became of those ships then?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ultramorph on Apr 02, 2017, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 02, 2017, 05:29:20 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 02, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
Confused about one thing...the footage reports say the derelict is in the act of docking above the citadel, while the trailer shows it clearly crashed in the forest.

What could have transpired to cause that? Maybe David tried to take off and do the same thing to another planet?

They also say that there were evidently other Engineer ships escorting David. Maybe they decided to shoot him down after he started nuking the inhabitants with the accelerant. But what became of those ships then?

David cut a deal with the Jockeys to wipe out the Engineers.  ;D
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 02, 2017, 05:48:32 PM
Ah man, I wish!  :laugh:
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 02, 2017, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 02, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
If Covenant is indeed set hundreds of years after David attacked the engineers, then Shaw is probably dead or was left in an engineer cryo-pod. Judging by that nap the engineer in Prometheus took, I'd say it's entirely plausible. But I wonder if the effects of such a long sleep would effect humans differently than the engineers. Ripley pulled a long stretch, but not hundreds of years. Could brain death or insanity occur after say, 100 -150 years? Either way, David definitely appears to be hostile towards humanity, whether this extended to Shaw or not is the thing. I Personally don't think it's set that far into the future from Prometheus, but you never know.

I'm not sure those Engineer pods are compatible with humans...but maybe.




Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 02, 2017, 05:29:20 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Apr 02, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
Confused about one thing...the footage reports say the derelict is in the act of docking above the citadel, while the trailer shows it clearly crashed in the forest.

What could have transpired to cause that? Maybe David tried to take off and do the same thing to another planet?

They also say that there were evidently other Engineer ships escorting David. Maybe they decided to shoot him down after he started nuking the inhabitants with the accelerant. But what became of those ships then?

Good point! Maybe they took off to earth to finish the LV-223 Engineers' plan? That might make for a Independence Day-like sequel.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Huggs on Apr 02, 2017, 06:51:15 PM
"10 years after Prometheus".

Yeah, I was wondering why they said "hundreds of years after" in the article. I was under the assumption it was only 10 or some odd years later.

As far as the engineer pods being used for humans, its just a what-if. There's no telling how much time it took for david and shaw to reach paradise. If Shaw stayed awake, maybe there were ample supplies from Vicker's pod to sustain her. But David is pretty slick at figuring things out and making them work, and if female or adolescent engineers are comparable to humans in size, it might be possible.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Ultramorph on Apr 02, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Spoiler
All this talk about the creatures David bombs not being Engineers is really interesting. I wasn't inclined to believe it, but now multiple sources have said it, so I'm starting to wonder.
[close]
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: prometheusfire08 on Apr 02, 2017, 08:25:01 PM
I wonder if this is Davids 1st stop or has he done this to other worlds ?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Tonyhartmorph on Apr 02, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
I love how crazy this film sounds. Scott is going full bore with both barrels it seems.


Fox should just release the footage altogether to stop the increasing layers of speculation... I, for one, am definitely not impressed with what has transpired from leaks, quite the opposite, being quite appalled, especially at everything revolving around David, somehow stitching himself up, when he clearly could not even get up nor get out of the ship on his own at the end of Prometheus, and surely the whole android going bonkers repetitive idea is getting awfully stale now, so they better have a far better story than that...also, the black goo would mutate the engineers, and we clearly see from the petrified corpses, that many were not transformed and looked like the corpses found in Pompei, meaning that they were killed instantly, so death by goo is a big stretch from the various postures of the various corpses in the leaked photos... one thing these trailers and leaks did to me though, they did what they were set out to do, making me more and more curious and eager to watch the movie... But I am not liking what I am seeing, especially psycho David killing people indiscriminately, humans and Engineers alike... Where is the logic in that, not analysing data, separating the innocent from the guilty...? And there is no way David created the Xenos... The Space Jockey cause of death and the cargo hold fulla eggs that Kane found in ALIEN, clearly disprove that, as does the stated fact that the Derelict ship was dated as being 2 thousand years old and the ALIENS assertion that there had to be a Queen to mass produce such vast quantity of eggs...
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 02, 2017, 11:02:22 PM
I mean, who knows but this seems like a lot of feverish reimagining to get away from the basic reveal that hasn't changed in months: David kills off all the Engineers/space jockeys because Ridley Scott got bored with them and decided to go back to the alien.

There is literally no reason David and Shaw would wind up on some other planet with different aliens after they were explicitly said to be going to the Engineers' homeworld. In fact I think the current plot synopsis still indicates that's where they are.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: The Alien Predator on Apr 03, 2017, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 02, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Spoiler
All this talk about the creatures David bombs not being Engineers is really interesting. I wasn't inclined to believe it, but now multiple sources have said it, so I'm starting to wonder.
[close]

Same here, it's quite interesting. I look forward to finding out when the film finally comes out and I don't mind which ever answer it turns out to be.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: MajorB on Apr 03, 2017, 12:45:59 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 02, 2017, 11:02:22 PM
I mean, who knows but this seems like a lot of feverish reimagining to get away from the basic reveal that hasn't changed in months: David kills off all the Engineers/space jockeys because Ridley Scott got bored with them and decided to go back to the alien.

There is literally no reason David and Shaw would wind up on some other planet with different aliens after they were explicitly said to be going to the Engineers' homeworld. In fact I think the current plot synopsis still indicates that's where they are.

If they removed the Engineer massacre from one cut of the film and are now reinstating it with different creatures, is it possible that Ridley and/or Fox backpedaled at the very last minute on killing off the Engineers?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Denton Smalls on Apr 03, 2017, 12:49:31 AM
I honestly can't wait. If they do decide to center the plot around David, Fassbender is one of the best actors working today imo, so they could do worse.

I'd much rather it be him carrying the weight of the film and not the Engineers, who I thought were massively underwhelming and contradictory to the Space Jockey in Alien.

I think the more they can distance themselves, the better the movie will turn out.

Is anyone else almost sad that the film is almost out? On one hand I can't wait to see it, while also I'm not looking forward to the long wait to the next one, if there is one.

There's something really fun about all the buildup and speculation.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Apr 03, 2017, 01:00:54 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 02, 2017, 11:02:22 PM
I mean, who knows but this seems like a lot of feverish reimagining to get away from the basic reveal that hasn't changed in months: David kills off all the Engineers/space jockeys because Ridley Scott got bored with them and decided to go back to the alien.

There is literally no reason David and Shaw would wind up on some other planet with different aliens after they were explicitly said to be going to the Engineers' homeworld. In fact I think the current plot synopsis still indicates that's where they are.

Who says he is bored with the Engineers? Also, isn't the objective of films like Prometheus and Alien: Covenant to lead to Alien anyway?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Protozoid on Apr 03, 2017, 01:41:16 AM
Depending on who you ask, Prometheus was never intended to connect to Alien. Damon Lindelof has said so, and if Ridley contradicted him I've never heard it. It seems that attitudes changed. Ridley makes it sound like his own idea to change course, so hopefully it wasn't something forced upon him by the studio. There were something like 15 drafts of the script before they changed it from Prometheus 2 to an Alien prequel.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Apr 03, 2017, 12:45:59 AM
If they removed the Engineer massacre from one cut of the film and are now reinstating it with different creatures, is it possible that Ridley and/or Fox backpedaled at the very last minute on killing off the Engineers?

Anything is possible. But IMO it's far more likely the planet is exactly what the official synopsis says it is, that those were the Engineers, and that a handful of eyewitnesses have mistaken different clothes, perhaps a slightly different design or just the wrong glimpse for 'something else'.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Apr 03, 2017, 03:32:35 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Apr 03, 2017, 12:45:59 AM
If they removed the Engineer massacre from one cut of the film and are now reinstating it with different creatures, is it possible that Ridley and/or Fox backpedaled at the very last minute on killing off the Engineers?

Anything is possible. But IMO it's far more likely the planet is exactly what the official synopsis says it is, that those were the Engineers, and that a handful of eyewitnesses have mistaken different clothes, perhaps a slightly different design or just the wrong glimpse for 'something else'.

What is the official synopsis?
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: cliffhanger on Apr 03, 2017, 07:46:55 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 03, 2017, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 02, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Spoiler
All this talk about the creatures David bombs not being Engineers is really interesting. I wasn't inclined to believe it, but now multiple sources have said it, so I'm starting to wonder.
[close]

Same here, it's quite interesting. I look forward to finding out when the film finally comes out and I don't mind which ever answer it turns out to be.

i have mentioned it quite a couple of times and got burned for it multiple times..........been saying it all along.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2017, 07:47:25 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 02, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Spoiler
All this talk about the creatures David bombs not being Engineers is really interesting. I wasn't inclined to believe it, but now multiple sources have said it, so I'm starting to wonder.
[close]

I'm fairly certain that anyone who thinks this is going to be disappointed. It was definitely the intent when they were filming Covenant that they are Engineers. Unless they're really butchering the film in the post - which I don't believe they are - it's likely that that intent has remained the same.


Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Apr 03, 2017, 12:45:59 AM
If they removed the Engineer massacre from one cut of the film and are now reinstating it with different creatures, is it possible that Ridley and/or Fox backpedaled at the very last minute on killing off the Engineers?

Anything is possible. But IMO it's far more likely the planet is exactly what the official synopsis says it is, that those were the Engineers, and that a handful of eyewitnesses have mistaken different clothes, perhaps a slightly different design or just the wrong glimpse for 'something else'.

That's exactly what I believe is happening here.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Protozoid on Apr 03, 2017, 08:02:20 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2017, 07:47:25 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 02, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Spoiler
All this talk about the creatures David bombs not being Engineers is really interesting. I wasn't inclined to believe it, but now multiple sources have said it, so I'm starting to wonder.
[close]

I'm fairly certain that anyone who thinks this is going to be disappointed. It was definitely the intent when they were filming Covenant that they are Engineers. Unless they're really butchering the film in the post - which I don't believe they are - it's likely that that intent has remained the same.


Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Apr 03, 2017, 12:45:59 AM
If they removed the Engineer massacre from one cut of the film and are now reinstating it with different creatures, is it possible that Ridley and/or Fox backpedaled at the very last minute on killing off the Engineers?

Anything is possible. But IMO it's far more likely the planet is exactly what the official synopsis says it is, that those were the Engineers, and that a handful of eyewitnesses have mistaken different clothes, perhaps a slightly different design or just the wrong glimpse for 'something else'.

That's exactly what I believe is happening here.
I think I recall reading that Scott wasn't 100 percent happy with how the prosthetics for the Engineers turned out in Prometheus. I dunno if it was a budget thing or what, but my best guess is that the design of the Engineers has been refined, and they appear more expressive/human, which might be confusing. Does anybody else recall Scott being unsatisfied with the Engineer makeup? I think it was specifically a facial thing, if I am recalling  accurately.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Godzillakuj94 on Apr 03, 2017, 12:00:54 PM
Possibly the brow and nose region as I recall he had to CG that area to get the desired look.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Tonyhartmorph on Apr 03, 2017, 12:34:54 PM
Strange, my post seems to have been hijacked or something. Everything below the line of how I love how crazy the plot sounds wasn't written by me.... it sounds far too whiny really.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2017, 12:36:28 PM
Sorry, 2 guest accounts posted after each other causes them to merge.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:01:56 PM
It would hardly be unlike Ridley to change something on a whim. My speculation is he has played with the Engineer design a bit, which is fine.
Title: Re: New Footage Shown at CinemaCon!
Post by: rabidranger on Apr 03, 2017, 02:00:20 PM
If these are in fact the Engineers and Paradise their home world it's a pretty fascinating glimpse into their civilization IMO. Interesting to see the juxtaposition between old and new.