At minute 1:45
IT´S a dissected engineer!
And by the look of the drawings in the background, it clearly seems its from the movie
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*Changed title, added screencap. Hicks.
Quote from: Rafael S. on Mar 03, 2017, 05:55:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1AaiP6vYCA
At minute 1:42
IT´S a dissected engineer!
And by the look of the drawings in the background, it clearly seems its from the movie
no but we're supposed to get a RB version of that one
Is there any way we can confirm it´s not an engineer? The background looks pretty much like David´s lair. Also, there´s slightly longer shots of Ergo´s character screaming and of the woman´s face covered in blood in the shower scene.
Nice catch, Rafael! Certainly looks like that anatomical study that has been mentioned. From the drawings I'd guess it is indeed in David's lab.
This must be the red-band. There is an f-bomb at the end, more blood, the facehugger's underside is more red (I think), there is a glimpse of the shower scene, and possibly more. I dig it, although I was hoping the shower scene would go away...
Agreed. I'm double checking with Fox but pretty sure it is.
is this the same thing that's on the table in that other shot?
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 03, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
is this the same thing that's on the table in that other shot?
I think it's very safe to assume it's not. This new image is an anatomical study (with the body being preserved somehow), the one on the table is a dissection.
Also is anyone else getting thew feeling that the Covenant 'Engineers' are very different from the Prometheus 'Engineers' ?
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Mar 03, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 03, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
is this the same thing that's on the table in that other shot?
I think it's very safe to assume it's not. This new image is an anatomical study (with the body being preserved somehow), the one on the table is a dissection.
Also is anyone else getting thew feeling that the Covenant 'Engineers' are very different from the Prometheus 'Engineers' ?
Definitely. One uses advanced technology and worships one head. These worship a group of heads and appear to use less technology, living closer to nature. By contrast, the Engineers destroyed their moon through abuse of technology. It's very much a contrast. There may be physiological differences that go with it, like the biomechanoid flight suit?
Thats nasty looking, the fact that he is outsmarting the engineers is also creepy.
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Mar 03, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 03, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
is this the same thing that's on the table in that other shot?
I think it's very safe to assume it's not. This new image is an anatomical study (with the body being preserved somehow), the one on the table is a dissection.
Also is anyone else getting thew feeling that the Covenant 'Engineers' are very different from the Prometheus 'Engineers' ?
No, it falls in place, you have the dome with he gold thing on top, as for what it does i dont know, they worship themselves like Romans with statues of themselves its all pretty much the same as the species from Prometheus, only difference is this isnt a militairy installation with experiments done by the engineers, this is a city like Athene was.
So um, now this is the shit I'm talking about. What is that on the wall!
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Face-palm engineer confirmed? :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2017, 09:36:45 AM
Nice catch, Rafael! Certainly looks like that anatomical study that has been mentioned. From the drawings I'd guess it is indeed in David's lab.
You´re welcome, Corp. It´s nice to be back with the crew in a useful way after a long hiatus
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Oh and to who it was that said that these were just for cinemas... I say this
Spoiler
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Maybe now people can say they don't like how this movie doesn't continue Prometheus' story. I've seen that everywhere.
I bet David wasn't working alone...
Awesome! I really can't wait to see David's lab in all its glory.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 03, 2017, 11:14:26 AM
So um, now this is the shit I'm talking about. What is that on the wall!
http://i64.tinypic.com/2vukgag.png
Face-palm engineer confirmed? :P
Somebody could make a meme out of this! :laugh:
Anyway, really cool additions to the trailer, I love seeing more of the Engineers. Like someone mentioned, the fact David's outsmarting them is scary.
Could this actually be the reason why they wanted to destroy us? They eventually saw us as a threat and now one of our Synthetics eradicates a planet full of them.
I imagine one of the Engineers being all "I told you so" to all those who wanted to give us a second chance.
An Engineer lands on Paradise and sees what just happened.
I have high hopes for this film. And keep reminding myself this is a Trilogy -- so not everything will be answered -- and my guess is that when it's all said and done RS wants it all to be ambiguous in the end as well.
But heck -- there is always reason to think past the Star Wars Planet-Theory that planets = cities. [aside from maybe Naboo] Thus -- there could be different cities on this planet with different philosophies and perhaps one sect is the reason for the destruction of the other.
It could be the Engineers never planned to destroy us -- we just happened to finally be able to follow the Star Map while they are at war -- a war between "heaven and hell"
Bad timing for us --- good timing for David. I'd say he hasn't outsmarted anyone - more likely he landed on a decimated population and has free reign. I wonder that maybe the Xenos etc just pass David by since he is not a suitable host -- but the Queen took down Bishop pretty hard -- and I thought RS was cool with at least the Cameron sequel elements.
I love that new shot of the anatomical waxwork study! To be honest this is far more interesting than the aliens themselves. I'm glad they're down playing it in the marketing so we don't know to much about it.
I don't think it's meant to be made out of wax. David 8 probably dissected a dead preserved one. There are some nails/bolts in it, indicating the sieleton has been artificially posed upright.
So that's the dissected engineer. So, either David has another Engineer on the slab that he's experimenting on or its Shaw.
i loved the previous film(prometheus) i KNOW the main reaosn people hated it is because of all the specific alien tie in elements that where removed and so they felt DISSAPOINTED, but i actually LOVED the film for what it was, and it is still one of my top 5 all time sci-fi favorite films, now, this one will indeed have the titular aliens and precuel elements, and continue what prometheus started, now if alien 5 can set up a perfect conclusion(that or alien 6?) with this i think we might have the best sci-fi horror saga ever, i still liked alien resurrection a lot even though i admit it isnt the best alien movie(better than avp, or avp-r and of course over alien3 any day)
but i still have high expectections for this one, again, i LOVED prometehus and i am aware fandom is split on that one, so at least i think i can take more deception if it ends up going the same route XD
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 03, 2017, 03:47:23 PM
So that's the dissected engineer. So, either David has another Engineer on the slab that he's experimenting on or its Shaw.
my theory is that the body on the slab is Billy Crudup character after being chestbursted...David takes his body back to his lab opens him up a bit more...im guessing for scientific study purposes...zoomed in the clothing matches Crudup from earlier scenes and i see dark short but flowing hair
How the interior of the engineer could be reddish-brown if his skin and coloration it's blue? ...
Oh wow, so I guess this is the RB
Shit, that skinned engineer looks f**ked up.
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 03, 2017, 04:07:49 PM
How the interior of the engineer could be reddish-brown if his skin and coloration it's blue? ...
I wonder about this too.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Engineer.jpg?fit=475%2C%209999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C340px)
Here you can see the engineer isn't red inside, but more grayish.
Remember that both film heavily rely on intense Color Grading.
The engineer in prometheus does showcase very very very deep dark brown (which is red in the luma spectrum).
Although it's very subtle and less intensified than this shot (which has a very strong lighting effect on it).
We'll see.
Cool
I saw this with LOGAN last night. The whole theatre was squirmy. The reaction was very good.
I think the picture to the left or Stage Right of the Hellraiser-styled, half-skinned Engineer, is a close up of the spore.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 03, 2017, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 03, 2017, 04:07:49 PM
How the interior of the engineer could be reddish-brown if his skin and coloration it's blue? ...
I wonder about this too.
https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Engineer.jpg?fit=475%2C%209999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C340px
Here you can see the engineer isn't red inside, but more grayish.
I think the idea is their skin is like a Beluga whale or a porpoise? But I also think - and please don't take this personally - but Geez it's a freaking movie.
I like how it has a Clive Barker/Hellraiser vibe to it. I'm sure Clive would approve.
It's getting to the stage now where recovering the remains of David would be more valuable to Weyland-Yutani than acquiring a xeno specimen.
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
It makes sense, within David is a ton of knowledge about the engineer civilization, the Alien, and ways to create an Alien or creatures like the Alien. Who knows how much he has discovered and cataloged in his time on Paradise?
Also this isn't IMBD, no need for that kind of post.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
It regards to what, sorry?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2017, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
It regards to what, sorry?
I think he's responding to TheBATMAN
Looks excellent hope the neomorphs are cool fully grown and we see more of the engineers culture and creation.the prequel novel tie In should wrap up shaws fate and add to the experience xeno looks excellent even tho not animatronic I think mcbride will be a standout like a biehn or a Paxton rip
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
When you lighten up the pic of the engineer, you can see that the other half the face still has blue skin on it.
Think David's being a little self indulgent...
(https://img.rt.com/files/news/26/35/40/00/david_von_michelangelo.jpg)
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 03, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
That only works if there is something left of robo Dave at the end of the trilogy.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 03, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 03, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
That only works if there is something left of robo Dave at the end of the trilogy.
No doubt, but recovering their David 8 would have been a huge boon for WY, not that it would likely happen.
its red band because of the f**k word xD
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2017, 09:29:50 PM
Think David's being a little self indulgent...
(https://img.rt.com/files/news/26/35/40/00/david_von_michelangelo.jpg)
Good catch.
I can't wait to see the rest of his laboratory. In the one shot from the trailer where you see the cut up Engineer, above it on the wall looks like a picture of Frankenstein's monster. At the Boris Karloff version. I guess David has a favorite new movie.
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pretty sure he is doing what the bodyworlds guy does to his corpses 😉
I noticed that, there is a facehugger on the table ;)
Quote from: Xeno_from_Belgium on Mar 03, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
I noticed that, there is a facehugger on the table ;)
It's the facehugger from the images leaked last year, You can see the mini skulls and bird like skeletons in the image as well.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 03, 2017, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 03, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 03, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
That only works if there is something left of robo Dave at the end of the trilogy.
No doubt, but recovering their David 8 would have been a huge boon for WY, not that it would likely happen.
Definitely but it is likely he's been destroyed one way or the other... probably went boom-boom on a star ship. :P
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 03, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
Quote from: Xeno_from_Belgium on Mar 03, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
I noticed that, there is a facehugger on the table ;)
It's the facehugger from the images leaked last year, You can see the mini skulls and bird like skeletons in the image as well.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 03, 2017, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 03, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 03, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
That only works if there is something left of robo Dave at the end of the trilogy.
No doubt, but recovering their David 8 would have been a huge boon for WY, not that it would likely happen.
Definitely but it is likely he's been destroyed one way or the other... probably went boom-boom on a star ship. :P
It's like they said in one of the Set Reports - "David is a great character because he is MOSTLY indestructible and can just keep GOING AND GOING."
Why assume David is dead in the end of this trilogy or wiped out at all? David is not only valuable he is outsmarting humanity. David could be working WITH or in W-Y when all is said and done. We are told he is becoming MORE 'emotional' human-like in these reports. If we were to assume David's goal is to get the Aliens back to Earth - to wipe us out, that lends itself to a lot of what happened in Alien and could even weigh on everything after it.
Are there full screen caps of the trailer anywhere?
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 03, 2017, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 03, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
Quote from: Xeno_from_Belgium on Mar 03, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
I noticed that, there is a facehugger on the table ;)
It's the facehugger from the images leaked last year, You can see the mini skulls and bird like skeletons in the image as well.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 03, 2017, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 03, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 03, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Mar 03, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
I want you to think about that really, really hard for a second and understand what you said.
Go on have a little think.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
That only works if there is something left of robo Dave at the end of the trilogy.
No doubt, but recovering their David 8 would have been a huge boon for WY, not that it would likely happen.
Definitely but it is likely he's been destroyed one way or the other... probably went boom-boom on a star ship. :P
It's like they said in one of the Set Reports - "David is a great character because he is MOSTLY indestructible and can just keep GOING AND GOING."
Why assume David is dead in the end of this trilogy or wiped out at all? David is not only valuable he is outsmarting humanity. David could be working WITH or in W-Y when all is said and done. We are told he is becoming MORE 'emotional' human-like in these reports. If we were to assume David's goal is to get the Aliens back to Earth - to wipe us out, that lends itself to a lot of what happened in Alien and could even weigh on everything after it.
In that case David could literally be the mainframe, eg Weyland-Yutani. However working it in may be asking a little too much in my honest opinion. I mean seriously, he's probably the space jockey if anything.
Maybe he's Ash. :P
At 1:10 in the Trailer, Daniels asks "What happened here?" It sounds like a females voice replies "10 years" Shaw maybe?
Doesn't sound like it's from the same scene though...
Speaking of ash, if there is another movie to tie-in with alien, I think he should make an appearance.....
Quote from: LV-12986 on Mar 03, 2017, 11:20:42 PM
Speaking of ash, if there is another movie to tie-in with alien, I think he should make an appearance.....
No because it would have to be cg and everyone would complain about how fake it looks
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Quote from: LV-12986 on Mar 03, 2017, 11:20:42 PM
Speaking of ash, if there is another movie to tie-in with alien, I think he should make an appearance.....
No because it would have to be cg and everyone would complain about how fake it looks
Yea, I'm against cgi-ing people. Maybe if the technology vastly improves to make humans look incredible I'll change my mind. Until then, I don't want to see cartoon people on the screen. Cgi works well for environmental, exposition, machines and monsters. Humans will be take some more fine tuning.
At 1:40 when Tennessee says calm down sweetheart, calm down his wife, Faris responds don't tell me to calm down you dick?
Quote from: Danger Close on Mar 03, 2017, 11:19:30 PM
At 1:10 in the Trailer, Daniels asks "What happened here?" It sounds like a females voice replies "10 years" Shaw maybe?
Doesn't sound like it's from the same scene though...
its sounds like someone is shouting "Daniels" in the background to me
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 03, 2017, 11:50:21 PM
Quote from: Danger Close on Mar 03, 2017, 11:19:30 PM
At 1:10 in the Trailer, Daniels asks "What happened here?" It sounds like a females voice replies "10 years" Shaw maybe?
Doesn't sound like it's from the same scene though...
its sounds like someone is shouting "Daniels" in the background to me
It sounds like 'Daniels' but I'm pretty sure it's just a sound effect.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 03, 2017, 11:53:38 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 03, 2017, 11:50:21 PM
Quote from: Danger Close on Mar 03, 2017, 11:19:30 PM
At 1:10 in the Trailer, Daniels asks "What happened here?" It sounds like a females voice replies "10 years" Shaw maybe?
Doesn't sound like it's from the same scene though...
its sounds like someone is shouting "Daniels" in the background to me
It sounds like 'Daniels' but I'm pretty sure it's just a sound effect.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Does anyone have a HD version of the redband?
Thats impressive, I would never have guessed that smudgion of an audio blip was human. But after some listening, it does sounds something like that.
Quote from: Danger Close on Mar 03, 2017, 11:19:30 PM
At 1:10 in the Trailer, Daniels asks "What happened here?" It sounds like a females voice replies "10 years" Shaw maybe?
Doesn't sound like it's from the same scene though...
Perhaps the plastinated person and the guy on the table are someone from the Covenant crew.
I think skinned guy is David, not Engineer. In several other scenes he had this cloak and hoodie so it looks like on this pic he is taking the cloak off in his lab. This bit intrigues me the most from all the trailers; I think we are in for several surprises and great ride in May!
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 04, 2017, 06:34:48 AM
I think skinned guy is David, not Engineer. In several other scenes he had this cloak and hoodie so it looks like on this pic he is taking the cloak off in his lab. This bit intrigues me the most from all the trailers; I think we are in for several surprises and great ride in May!
my bet would be he grabbed a body that wasnt completely destroyed from paradise and is frankensteining himself into a "real boy"
Quote from: famdoola on Mar 04, 2017, 06:58:08 AM
my bet would be he grabbed a body that wasnt completely destroyed from paradise and is frankensteining himself into a "real boy"
Exactly right! Because now several sites have reported along the lines "David is back, but initially just his head; eventually he gets full body"
Question is then - who "stitched" him? Shaw? Not likely -- I think Shaw is not dead, but spends most of the movie in cryosleep & wakes only at the end. (This sits well with what was released ~2 years ago: "Shaw' role is much smaller and she spends most of the movie incapacitated)
Also, are these some sort of large screws coming out of his side??
Obviously it would go down the cgi route but it'd be interesting to see him in it, what's not to say he hasn't come across the xenomorph before alien?
Wouldnt this be cool if the story went like this, and hear me out. Shaw and David have crashed into our pretty new planet. The goal of their departure in Prometheus sent Shaw in search for answers from these engineers. She was in complete control when they are marooned, David is merely a head. They find all the dead bodies, no life. Shaw doesnt trust David, she keeps him as a severed head. David gives up information. David eventually gets a body. David now can conduct his own expiraments. Shit gets out of hand. David's genius is intangeable. Shaw has kept one step ahead of David and is still alive when Covenant lands. Its her in the trenchcoat. She helps the crew but ultimately dies.
David has created the facehugger somehow we know and love/loathe. He did what our engineers could not and harnessed the power of the black goo. Shaw is the only organism cabable of carrying his creation. The covenant crew are a nice surprise ;)
Is this movie is fundamentally about the superiority of A.I.
My take on it.
Looks like they made it to the Engineers home world, you can see a cloaked figure walking pass thousands of corpses. They got there, found the place 1000 years too late, David was rebuilt, killed or mutated Shaw, she became part of the ship, then David went to a new world to play god?
Quote from: famdoola on Mar 04, 2017, 06:58:08 AM
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 04, 2017, 06:34:48 AM
I think skinned guy is David, not Engineer. In several other scenes he had this cloak and hoodie so it looks like on this pic he is taking the cloak off in his lab. This bit intrigues me the most from all the trailers; I think we are in for several surprises and great ride in May!
my bet would be he grabbed a body that wasnt completely destroyed from paradise and is frankensteining himself into a "real boy"
It would be "interesting" (not sure that's the right word) if David's head got stitched to an Engineer's body.
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 04, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
It would be "interesting" (not sure that's the right word) if David's head got stitched to an Engineer's body.
I think that's what we are seeing here.
David is real star of Prometheus / Covenant / ? trilogy, just like Ripley was of Alien 1-4. David is obsessed with creation of life; he ends up creating Xenomorph lifeform, going through various transformations himself both physical and mental along the way. Piano scene and haunting song "There was a boy, strange enchanted boy, he went very far ..." is very indicative too.
I also expect big surprise with Shaw. There was an early still (before trailers were released) of mysterious figure in cryodeck; everyone thought it was Daniels, but I think it was Shaw & this is how she spends most of Covenant, then comes out at the end for some major and unexpected finale. Noomi Rapace was 3 weeks in Sydney filming; she didn't spend all this time just to do few flashback scenes.
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 04, 2017, 07:12:26 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 04, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
It would be "interesting" (not sure that's the right word) if David's head got stitched to an Engineer's body.
I think that's what we are seeing here.
David is real star of Prometheus / Covenant / ? trilogy, just like Ripley was of Alien 1-4. David is obsessed with creation of life; he ends up creating Xenomorph lifeform, going through various transformations himself both physical and mental along the way. Piano scene and haunting song "There was a boy, strange enchanted boy, he went very far ..." is very indicative too.
I also expect big surprise with Shaw. There was an early still (before trailers were released) of mysterious figure in cryodeck; everyone thought it was Daniels, but I think it was Shaw & this is how she spends most of Covenant, then comes out at the end for some major and unexpected finale. Noomi Rapace was 3 weeks in Sydney filming; she didn't spend all this time just to do few flashback scenes.
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that's clearly Daniels
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 03, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
Are there full screen caps of the trailer anywhere?
They're coming! Don't worry. :)
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 04, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
It would be "interesting" (not sure that's the right word) if David's head got stitched to an Engineer's body.
I'd been hoping to see him attached to some sort of Engineer biomechanoid suit of some variety.
ah man! i need the avp galaxy podcast on this stuff and i need it now! haha 2 hours plus please!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 04, 2017, 08:00:24 PM
I'd been hoping to see him attached to some sort of Engineer biomechanoid suit of some variety.
maybe that happens in 3rd movie as part of full transformation: Android -- Hybrid -- Biotech
Which could mean he loses his head again at end of Covenant 8)
Quote from: leeroy! on Mar 04, 2017, 08:21:17 PM
ah man! i need the avp galaxy podcast on this stuff and i need it now! haha 2 hours plus please!
Lol I've no doubt we'll be having a lengthy chat. Currently scheduled in to do a podcast covering the prologue, the new trailer and the set reports tomorrow evening (well, my tomorrow).
Can't wait!
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 03, 2017, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 03, 2017, 04:07:49 PM
How the interior of the engineer could be reddish-brown if his skin and coloration it's blue? ...
I wonder about this too.
https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Engineer.jpg?fit=475%2C%209999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C340px
Here you can see the engineer isn't red inside, but more grayish.
Yeah but that's also the insides while disintegrating from a shot of black goo...that's hardly a valid example, lol...
Quote from: Gates on Mar 04, 2017, 11:47:05 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 03, 2017, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: OmarVel1692 on Mar 03, 2017, 04:07:49 PM
How the interior of the engineer could be reddish-brown if his skin and coloration it's blue? ...
I wonder about this too.
https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Engineer.jpg?fit=475%2C%209999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C340px
Here you can see the engineer isn't red inside, but more grayish.
Yeah but that's also the insides while disintegrating from a shot of black goo...that's hardly a valid example, lol...
That's true, hah. :D
Maybe David is alive at the start of Alien?
Maybe he is the WY CEO or at least either on the board or the "pet" of whoever is in charge. And it is his Intel that is used for the Nostromo information known by Ash & Mother.
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Reducing the entire Alien saga to W-Y (and later the USM) trying to reclaim the creature that one of their own rogue androids had created is a shame, if you ask me.
This has me wondering if David is trying to find a way to make himself more like the engineers. Perhaps to create a soul of his own. A darker version of Bicentennial Man. Or maybe there are some forms of engineer technology that are simply too organic in nature (DNA/genetic encoding) to be controlled or manipulated by David unless he pulls a Frankenstein. Regardless, I'm starting to think David (and not Shaw) may be the Space Jockey from Alien. Which would mean he succeeds in becoming "a real boy".
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 05, 2017, 04:29:38 AM
This has me wondering if David is trying to find a way to make himself more like the engineers. Perhaps to create a soul of his own. A darker version of Bicentennial Man. Or maybe there are some forms of engineer technology that are simply too organic in nature (DNA/genetic encoding) to be controlled or manipulated by David unless he pulls a Frankenstein. Regardless, I'm starting to think David (and not Shaw) may be the Space Jockey from Alien. Which would mean he succeeds in becoming "a real boy".
And grows about 10ft... ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 05, 2017, 04:29:38 AM
This has me wondering if David is trying to find a way to make himself more like the engineers. Perhaps to create a soul of his own. A darker version of Bicentennial Man. Or maybe there are some forms of engineer technology that are simply too organic in nature (DNA/genetic encoding) to be controlled or manipulated by David unless he pulls a Frankenstein. Regardless, I'm starting to think David (and not Shaw) may be the Space Jockey from Alien. Which would mean he succeeds in becoming "a real boy".
Yup. I've stated that fact many times.
David is the engineer in ALIEN
Quote from: Vermillion on Mar 05, 2017, 06:06:11 AM
Yup. I've stated that fact many times.
David is the engineer in ALIEN
That makes sense, even if I'm not 100% sold on idea. If nothing else, David will be in Covenant Sequel for sure, finishing his 'transformation'
Here's a question: assuming David has been rebuilt and on the planet for years, doing his experiments ... why has he not taken another ship and left?
It can only be because there are no ships on this planet for him to take.
Where are their ships? Where is their technology?
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I am probably late to the party with this info, but the engineer in the red band is standing the same way as King David,
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Another refference to the bible and stuff, David and Goliath?
Meaning that David is the biological mother of all aliens on Lv421?
In reference that david is the space jockey?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2017, 09:58:36 AM
Agreed. I'm double checking with Fox but pretty sure it is.
Did Fox ever get back to you on this?
They haven't officially released this version of the trailer on their own channels and it has some hilarious miss-transcribed subtitles. It could be a fan edit with some footage from the previous trailer added. But then again, where did they get hold of that skinned Engineer shot? It has never been seen before.
Was this trailer ever released by any other outlet apart from vipmagazin?
if the mural creature is the source of the lv223 tech , maybe the Paradise engineers did not make the same covenant with the Alien
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Quote from: Infected on Mar 05, 2017, 10:18:52 AM
I am probably late to the party with this info, but the engineer in the red band is standing the same way as King David,
Another "hint" skinned guy that covers himself with cloak is David, not Engineer as everybody thought when trailer came out
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 05, 2017, 09:51:15 AM
Here's a question: assuming David has been rebuilt and on the planet for years, doing his experiments ... why has he not taken another ship and left?
It can only be because there are no ships on this planet for him to take.
Where are their ships? Where is their technology?
I mentioned this when we first saw pics of David's lab. All his tools, the stands for his creations/experiments, the paper he draws on all look to be hand made.
The Inhabitants on this planet seem to have met their end in their Middle Ages if not earlier. I say 'Inhabitants' because they are not the same Engineers as in Prometheus. The one on the table in David's lab is human sized, not the giants of Prometheus.I'm guessing that this planet is home to another engineered species, similar to us.
^That, or Paradise is their ancestral home world from which they've moved on. I've heard, and like, the idea that the Engineers on this planet are basically pilgrims.
Perhaps the Engineer civilization went into decline and the ones on this planet are all that is left.
That's a good possibility. Their reign ended.
I hope the f**k not. Give me tons of Engineers in tons of scenes for the next movie.
And wow, the next movie is already written. For once, Fox is treating this franchise with great care. They're just recovering now! They're just realizing they need a franchise bible now! They're just realizing they need to think of an overall arc now. Well between Covenant and its two sequels, we should be treated to a trilogy of tonally consistent movies. The longest string of tonally consistent franchise entries since Alien and Aliens LOL. The only thing that aches my heart is that I'll never see
Spoiler
James Franco in an Alien movie again. I've wanted him in an Alien movie for years. He could've been Holloway, he could've been the main captain in Covenant or even a co-pilot with McBride, but all he is is a marketing tool and cameo. Disappointing.
But yeah, Fox fumbled the ball in 1992 and are just barely recovering 25 years later.
I don't think there be two more sequels I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed with this move but I hope I'm wrong
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 06, 2017, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 05, 2017, 10:18:52 AM
I am probably late to the party with this info, but the engineer in the red band is standing the same way as King David,
Another "hint" skinned guy that covers himself with cloak is David, not Engineer as everybody thought when trailer came out
Where did you get that? The muscles is red tissue on the picture, i dont think David has red tissue?
Quote from: Lexxdog on Mar 06, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
I don't think there be two more sequels I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed with this move but I hope I'm wrong
Regardless of whether or not you get disappointed with this... If the film makes decent coin then they will proceed ahead, but regardless Scott owns this franchise, and FOX will roll over and show their belly to please him. 8)
Fox royally screwed the pooch in 1992.
They are trying to Aliens this one.
Many rehashed shots.
I can guarantee rehashed lines.
Besides the "the food ain't that bad" one
Most of those who complained about space jockeys' revelation as humanoids in Prometheus.....
... Are going to miss the same 'Engineers' a lot.
Infact, a glimpse of a live Engineer with his biomechanical suit in the trailer would have made me enough excited than a rehashed, revamped Xeno/Neo-morph attacking people.
Quote from: Loftyshine on Mar 06, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
Most of those who complained about space jockeys' revelation as humanoids in Prometheus.....
... Are going to miss the same 'Engineers' a lot.
Infact, a glimpse of a live Engineer with his biomechanical suit in the trailer would have made me enough excited than a rehashed, revamped Xeno/Neo-morph attacking people.
You know what you gonna miss? Both Engineers and Xenos when you'll see the god of all things that did all of this:
A splendid pink unicorn.
This stories clearly don't know where to stand on their own and rely on each to try to tell a great ark.
It doesn't even knows clearly where each installment stands trying to close the gap with Alien but Begging to be something else (and trying it hard).
That'll ultimately be it's own demise.
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 05, 2017, 09:51:15 AM
Here's a question: assuming David has been rebuilt and on the planet for years, doing his experiments ... why has he not taken another ship and left?
It can only be because there are no ships on this planet for him to take.
Where are their ships? Where is their technology?
We only saw a trailer... the ships could be anywhere... why would David leave when he has all he needs to be God?
God of whom? There's nobody there.
Maybe there was but he is a jealous God visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate him.
Quote from: Vermillion on Mar 06, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
Fox royally screwed the pooch in 1992.
They are trying to Aliens this one.
Many rehashed shots.
I can guarantee rehashed lines.
Besides the "the food ain't that bad" one
Most things are rehashes. Aliens is a rehash. No harm in that. Just curious, but which shots do you think are rehashed from Aliens? I think the two films are conceptually quite similar and believe that Ridley is paying homage to James Cameron this time around. :)
Quote from: episodenone on Mar 06, 2017, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 05, 2017, 09:51:15 AM
Here's a question: assuming David has been rebuilt and on the planet for years, doing his experiments ... why has he not taken another ship and left?
It can only be because there are no ships on this planet for him to take.
Where are their ships? Where is their technology?
We only saw a trailer... the ships could be anywhere... why would David leave when he has all he needs to be God?
OK -- not "God" -- but the "Creator of all life" -- he met his creator, he saw his creator meet his creator -- now he is the Creator [God]
I'm starting to wonder if the Engineers have been wiped out.
Abit off topic... But that new shot reminds me of seeing the real life plastinated bodies that Dr von Hagen makes for his body Museum.