https://twitter.com/AMCTheatres/status/1032673853837783040
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I still feel like the upgrade it too tall and narrow... I'd have preferred it to be a bit shorter and bulkier than it is, the shot where there's an explosion near it just makes it seem so thin
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 23, 2018, 05:22:16 PM
https://twitter.com/AMCTheatres/status/1032673853837783040
God...they almost spoilered the Fugitive vs. Assassin battle! :o
Any new footage? I don't want to see too much.
Better upload here.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 23, 2018, 06:04:36 PM
Any new footage? I don't want to see too much.
A few bits.
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 23, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 23, 2018, 05:22:16 PM
https://twitter.com/AMCTheatres/status/1032673853837783040
God...they almost spoilered the Fugitive vs. Assassin battle! :o
I thought they were going to! Was surprised at that, though.
Quote from: Doomofman on Aug 23, 2018, 06:00:46 PM
I still feel like the upgrade it too tall and narrow... I'd have preferred it to be a bit shorter and bulkier than it is, the shot where there's an explosion near it just makes it seem so thin
Dude, it's huge! It's so thick.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 23, 2018, 06:04:36 PM
Any new footage? I don't want to see too much.
Yes, new shots about the Assassin and the battle between him and Fugitive.
They have already showed too much from that battle. Almost everthing...
But what I saw...I liked.
I agree he's colossal. Also we see our first very brief look at the plasmacaster firing at 1:22
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 23, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Also we see our first very brief look at the plasmacaster firing at 1:22
Spoiler
Does Assassin dodge from the plasma ball in that scene?
At first I thought Fugitive shot him in the shoulder...but you can see the blue plasma ball bypass him.
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 23, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 23, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Also we see our first very brief look at the plasmacaster firing at 1:22
Spoiler
Does Assassin dodge from the plasma ball in that scene?
At first I thought Fugitive shot him in the shoulder...but you can see the blue plasma ball bypass him.
I think he did... Or fugitive has really poor aim :laugh:
And by the way, why would he dodge since he has impenetrable skin ? Maybe they "downgraded" his armored skin abilities
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 23, 2018, 06:29:51 PM
And by the way, why would he dodge since he has impenetrable skin ? Maybe they "downgraded" his armored skin abilities
Maybe. :)
In that scene when the plasma ball blows up the CGI is very poor I think.
But...at 1:16 Assassin looks quite real...as a man in suit. Very professional CGI there...if it's CGI.
Why are they still using the deleted footage in their promotional material? I hate false advertising.
In 1:20 - 1.21 we can see properly closed mandibles.
Quote from: Master on Aug 23, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
In 1:20 - 1.21 we can see properly closed mandibles.
Noticed that too!
I'm going to try and steer clear of anything new from here on out until the movie is released. I want to be as surprised as possible when I actually watch it. ;D
That shot of the explosion near the Upgrade did not look finished. Very jarring CG.
Everything else looked good though. I'm getting so pumped for this.
Fugitive laying on the car at 1:20 looks CG
I like what I saw, however having the upgrade wasn't necessarily. One predator would have been enough.
I dont usually look at this kind of stuff but it barely shows something new or how it is made (that ruins the magic) Anyway it looks like at the very least could be entertainning.
Edit: Also, a lot of AVPR vibes, i sincerely hope i am wrong and the movie turns out to be decent, not that i am saying that will be as bad as AVPR because that is impossible, but jeez.
It's still a no,from me.
You see how the upgrade looked at the mask when he tore it off...almost like, what is this? I wonder if the upgrade (like black may have referred to in the comic con conference) are dumber and less into the technology. He mentioned that there are predators that are more primitive than others...hmmm....
At 0:45...Fugitive in front of the Ark's control panel. ;)
It's clear the mask becomes depressurized during ripping off, but do I see preassure cables there?
I love everything ive seen from this film. Except the fact they are using Fugitive to showcase how great upgrade is.
I cringed hard at Upgrade ripping Fugitive's mask off - that beat down is going to be painful to watch. Wish that could play out another way. I'm surprised they're showing so much.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Aug 23, 2018, 06:41:55 PM
Why are they still using the deleted footage in their promotional material? I hate false advertising.
Yup, I feel like once they cut that footage they should have stopped using it. Especially since they keep showing some big set pieces, not just a throwaway face shot or whatever. I know it's not uncommon for studios to do that, but I still don't like it.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 23, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
I love everything ive seen from this film. Except the fact they are using Fugitive to showcase how great upgrade is.
Agreed. I'm really interested in Fugitive in his own right, not just as an expendable demonstration of how "big and badass" Upgrade is. I really hope he gets some quality screen-time.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 23, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
I love everything ive seen from this film. Except the fact they are using Fugitive to showcase how great upgrade is.
Well said. I never liked the idea of the upgrade. It's totaly unnecessarily
Quote from: yautjapet on Aug 24, 2018, 12:05:35 AM
I cringed hard at Upgrade ripping Fugitive's mask off - that beat down is going to be painful to watch. Wish that could play out another way. I'm surprised they're showing so much.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Aug 23, 2018, 06:41:55 PM
Why are they still using the deleted footage in their promotional material? I hate false advertising.
Yup, I feel like once they cut that footage they should have stopped using it. Especially since they keep showing some big set pieces, not just a throwaway face shot or whatever. I know it's not uncommon for studios to do that, but I still don't like it.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 23, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
I love everything ive seen from this film. Except the fact they are using Fugitive to showcase how great upgrade is.
Agreed. I'm really interested in Fugitive in his own right, not just as an expendable demonstration of how "big and badass" Upgrade is. I really hope he gets some quality screen-time.
Really the whole movie could have just been about Fugitive being captured, escape, and then track down his stolen tech. This whole upgrade thing just isn't necessary.
Stop focusing on what the movie "could've been" and start accepting what it IS already. Any new idea can be easily dismissed as """unnecessary""" when the classic's already so good. Arnold movies were freaking great on their own, they did need an alien hunter to make them awesome, but guess what? They made one of those, look at where we are right now. Start leaving your comfort zone already.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 23, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
I love everything ive seen from this film. Except the fact they are using Fugitive to showcase how great upgrade is.
Yeah, that about says it.
I dont even mind the Upgrade, he's pretty cool actually.
It just sucks that they have to legitimize him at the expense of the original creature. Don't get me wrong, I cant wait to see the movie and ill be there opening night.
I for one am glad that the killing of the fugitive has been spoiled ....imagine being invested in that character only to suddenly have him killed that way😞
(https://i.imgur.com/jOQoWpz.jpg)
I mean, c'mon, with less than a month now, I feel like the CGI should be finished and more refined. Hope it's not as a result of the reshoots.
Quote from: germanator2 on Aug 24, 2018, 01:32:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/jOQoWpz.jpg)
I mean, c'mon, with less than a month now, I feel like the CGI should be finished and more refined. Hope it's not as a result of the reshoots.
As long as he doesn't go crawling down any shafts he'll be fine. ;)
Quote from: germanator2 on Aug 24, 2018, 01:32:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/jOQoWpz.jpg)
I mean, c'mon, with less than a month now, I feel like the CGI should be finished and more refined. Hope it's not as a result of the reshoots.
Well it is a behind the scenes type of video. They don't really have to use use a completed shot
I prefer the original creature too, but I honestly don't mind the Upgrade getting the better over him if it's well executed and it makes sense in the movie, sure, do it.
I wouldn't mind seeing Shin Godzilla ripping 90's Godzilla to shreds too. Tho that might be because Shin Godzilla actually is my favorite version, but it wasn't before, it is now because I was open to accept something new (that happened to be "bigger and badder" too), and it ended up being freaking badass. So that's about it with the Upgrade for me; if he's a REAL major badass and he entertains me enough in the film, that's all that matters, and I'm okay with him defeating Fugitive because it just makes sense.
Quote from: germanator2 on Aug 24, 2018, 01:32:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/jOQoWpz.jpg)
I mean, c'mon, with less than a month now, I feel like the CGI should be finished and more refined. Hope it's not as a result of the reshoots.
That scene is not from the reshoots.
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 24, 2018, 12:11:01 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 23, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
I love everything ive seen from this film. Except the fact they are using Fugitive to showcase how great upgrade is.
Well said. I never liked the idea of the upgrade. It's totaly unnecessarily
What gets me is the Upgrade is supposed to be the main star or "The" Predator of the film, and yet the trailers/advertisements keep using the Fugitive as the face of the movie. It's kind of misleading, especially for fans who are coming in fresh without any previous knowledge.
I'm liking the "fugitive" more than the big guy. Is that this one nickname? Fugitive?
And are we calling the upgrade assassin now? What happened to chad the mad lad?
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 24, 2018, 03:38:26 AM
I'm liking the "fugitive" more than the big guy. Is that this one nickname? Fugitive?
And are we calling the upgrade assassin now? What happened to chad the mad lad?
Yep. Fugitive is the one with the metallic/space cop armor and the Upgrade (Assassin) is the big guy. Chad the bad cad has several names apparently ;)
The CGI Upgrade design looks different in every TV spot and trailer I see him in. Even the NECA figure looks different.
The night reshoots should help to cover up any dodgy CGI.
I'm not sure what the budget is or who is doing the CGI Predator so hopefully the final movie version is as good as possible.
Corporal Hicks,
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/a2d7a692/23023785.jpg)
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/bd9e7524/23023786.jpg)
And these scenes was deleted ???
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 24, 2018, 06:12:42 AM
Corporal Hicks,
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/a2d7a692/23023785.jpg)
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/bd9e7524/23023786.jpg)
And these scenes was deleted ???
These from the previous version of the 3rd act?
Quote from: Danversity on Aug 24, 2018, 06:15:48 AMThese from the previous version of the 3rd act?
APC...
Spoiler
"According to our sources the latest edits of the film following the reshoots have seen the so called "friendly" Predators that we've previously seen photos of completely cut from the film, as is the entire APC sequence and the various hybrid creatures."
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 24, 2018, 06:12:42 AM
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/a2d7a692/23023785.jpg)
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/bd9e7524/23023786.jpg)
And these scenes was deleted ???
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 24, 2018, 06:19:38 AM
APC...
Spoiler
"According to our sources the latest edits of the film following the reshoots have seen the so called "friendly" Predators that we've previously seen photos of completely cut from the film, as is the entire APC sequence and the various hybrid creatures."
Every shot/scene in which you can see military stuff (APC, vehicles, soldiers, locations) were cut out.
Spoiler
Yes, I know, "only" Edward James Olmos, the Friendlies and APC were mentioned...I still know.
But for those who read the script (no matter if it's early script, because the final is very close to it judging from what we saw for now) it's quite clear that the above mentioned cut-out stuff do relate to the Military part of the film.
So yes, those behind the scenes videos/photos won't be in the final film...unfortunately. :(
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 24, 2018, 06:12:42 AM
Corporal Hicks,
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/a2d7a692/23023785.jpg)
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1535091062/bd9e7524/23023786.jpg)
And these scenes was deleted ???
As far as I know, it's all gone. We wont know for sure, obviously, until the film is out. But I gotta say don't look at these featurettes or trailers as evidence of reinserted scenes. It's just not how it works I'm afraid.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2018, 07:06:16 AMAs far as I know, it's all gone. We wont know for sure, obviously, until the film is out.
:(
But thanks!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2018, 07:06:16 AMBut I gotta say don't look at these featurettes or trailers as evidence of reinserted scenes. It's just not how it works I'm afraid.
Agree!
Quote from: Master on Aug 23, 2018, 11:06:35 PM
It's clear the mask becomes depressurized during ripping off, but do I see preassure cables there?
could be built-in. if Apple can give us cordless earphones, why can't the yautja XD
Of course it can, I just hope it`s not.
we are all fixated with the classics - crude, weathered and bulky armor with cables/wires and what not hanging out. although understandably fugitive's armor is more streamlined and tactical-looking, i do hope to see a variety of inspired suit designs (modern and classic) within a single movie (designs in Predators were quite mediocre IMO)
Quote from: von on Aug 24, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
we are all fixated with the classics - crude, weathered and bulky armor with cables/wires and what not hanging out. although understandably fugitive's armor is more streamlined and tactical-looking, i do hope to see a variety of inspired suit designs (modern and classic) within a single movie (designs in Predators were quite mediocre IMO)
What can I say, I love my Predator being Hi-Tech, Low Tech, intergalactic, tribal, savage aliens.
To everyone saying the Upgrade is unnecessary, if this was 1986 would you be saying the same about the Queen?
Many people were back in 1986.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 24, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
To everyone saying the Upgrade is unnecessary, if this was 1986 would you be saying the same about the Queen?
If Upgrade is Predator Female that came to earth to kick ass of his ex-boyfriend then Im allright with it. I survived AvP-R, I`ll survive Upgrade. Let him be bigger stronger, meaner, heavier, smellier etc., but why he has to be poor looking? Why he can`t have mask and troophies and stuff? Just Uber-lycan all the way.
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: von on Aug 24, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
we are all fixated with the classics - crude, weathered and bulky armor with cables/wires and what not hanging out. although understandably fugitive's armor is more streamlined and tactical-looking, i do hope to see a variety of inspired suit designs (modern and classic) within a single movie (designs in Predators were quite mediocre IMO)
What can I say, I love my Predator being Hi-Tech, Low Tech, intergalactic, tribal, savage aliens.
i'm with you on that. it's the contradiction (tribal/primitive nature vs hi-tech, advanced weaponry) that makes it soooo unique and compelling till this day, as with most things on the planet
but even Shane in the excerpt from Total Film's article has stated that some of the Predator's iconography has been lost. he has perpetuated it too
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 12:08:13 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 24, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
To everyone saying the Upgrade is unnecessary, if this was 1986 would you be saying the same about the Queen?
If Upgrade is Predator Female that came to earth to kick ass of his ex-boyfriend then Im allright with it. I survived AvP-R, I`ll survive Upgrade. Let him be bigger stronger, meaner, heavier, smellier etc., but why he has to be poor looking? Why he can`t have mask and troophies and stuff? Just Uber-lycan all the way.
My guess would be to make a really strong contrast from visual point, the difference between regular predator and upgraded predator. I feel like it's what was the direction for the Director/Producer/Art Director. But in this type of project they do spend a lot of time to decide what design would look like, and "Usually" it should have some meaning behind.
I mean I am working right now on mobile strategy game, and everyday we getting feedback on what the design of the building should look like and what the color should look like, why we choosing one sets of color for certain buildings and not another, what shape progressions should be. What I am trying to say, that on this kind of project I am sure or at least hope that they do spend a good amount of time searching for the design and actually having a strong argument about why they go this way. I mean it's a group of professional artists working there.
Now another thing is that did you like the way they went? Which is usually a very subjective part of the discussion, of course we can use percentage as deciding factor of how successful design was: like a lot of fans of Alien more fans of Giger's work then any other stuff which came after Giger. Or that Jungle Hunter is the OG of all predators and his design is the best (not all, but a lot of fans I am sure thinks like that).
I personally fan City Hunter and lost tribe designs and got tired from Jungle Hunter's praise. And I didn't like any other design after Predator 2, but saw a lot of people liking some designs of AVP predators, Wolf, and even Berserks from Predators, so in the end it's a question of taste and how lucky the artist got with the Design ;)
Quote from: SiL on Aug 24, 2018, 12:05:39 PM
Many people were back in 1986.
Indeed. And look how 'unneccsssary' it turned out to be.
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 12:08:13 PM
Why he can`t have mask and troophies and stuff? Just Uber-lycan all the way.
He does have stuff.
The harpoon weapon and the ion cannon. And we still haven't seen the latter in action. Quite sure it's more powerful than a simple plasmacaster.
Also, he has this kinda chameleon-like defense (offense?) mechanism which wasn't in the script.
Who knows what else has he got? (Most likely nothing...but...we can hope! :D ;D)
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 12:08:13 PM
why he has to be poor looking?
All tastes are in nature
Bulky armor is garbage from Paul Writes Shit Anderson. I loved jungle hunter ghost and wolf. That's the predator to me. I'm not to fond of the fugitive armor just a try hard version of samurai armor and the bio mask is just ridiculous looking to me. Thankfully they went back to making HIM agile and athletic very happy with Brian Prince' performance from what I've seen. And the upgrade is looking great to me
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 24, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
Indeed. And look how 'unneccsssary' it turned out to be.
It's only in four of the eight films, and two of those were cameo appearances. So pretty unnecessary in the long run, to be honest.
@Azamultic
Are these artists really? Cause you know, I`d like something more from them then the lowest common denominator.
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 24, 2018, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 12:08:13 PM
Why he can`t have mask and troophies and stuff? Just Uber-lycan all the way.
He does have stuff.
The harpoon weapon and the ion cannon. And we still haven't seen the latter in action. Quite sure it's more powerful than a simple plasmacaster.
Also, he has this kinda chameleon-like defense (offense?) mechanism which wasn't in the script.
Who knows what else has he got? (Most likely nothing...but...we can hope! :D ;D)
Without the equipment it all seems abit magical and merry sue`ish, dosen`t it?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 24, 2018, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 12:08:13 PM
why he has to be poor looking?
All tastes are in nature
Aren`t they always.
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
@Azamultic
Are these artists really? Cause you know, I`d like something more from them then the lowest common denominator.
Just wondering what is your specialty if it's not a secret ? ;)
Again you can love or hate designs, but you just straight up disrespecting the work of professionals or at least it sounds like you disrespecting. We can of course bring the logic "You don't need to be a cook ..." but for me personally if you just straight up disrespecting artist's work without knowing what goes into it looks pretty ignorant. Again not saying that you disrespecting these artists neither judging you, just feels like your attitude is like you know better what needs to be done, then professionals who does it, which always amusing me. But you are consumer and you have all rights for acting like that.
Of course I can be wrong and you are actual a concept artist or a 3d modeler, or a sculptor and you just don't like the design and actually you are knowing how this all things are done, then I am resting my case and don't have nothing to say to you ;D
I personally not a fan of idea of Upgrade, the way he looks is good, but of course I would prefer classic equipped predator, but that's just my taste, and I am not shiting on the artist who came up with this designs and got it approved(who knows maybe Upgrade and Captured predator may work on a long term). Again I didn't like the Wolf design or Celtice or Berserks, but I wouldn't call artists who did their design and say: Hey guys! You suck! :P (of course it's exaggeration, but you get the point)
P.S. But in general I do agree that some designs do look ugly and some artists do bad job.
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 24, 2018, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
@Azamultic
Are these artists really? Cause you know, I`d like something more from them then the lowest common denominator.
Just wondering what is your specialty if it's not a secret ? ;)
Again you can love or hate designs, but you just straight up disrespecting the work of professionals or at least it sounds like you disrespecting. We can of course bring the logic "You don't need to be a cook ..." but for me personally if you just straight up disrespecting artist's work without knowing what goes into it looks pretty ignorant. Again not saying that you disrespecting these artists neither judging you, just feels like your attitude is like you know better what needs to be done, then professionals who does it, which always amusing me. But you are consumer and you have all rights for acting like that.
Of course I can be wrong and you are actual a concept artist or a 3d modeler, or a sculptor and you just don't like the design and actually you are knowing how this all things are done, then I am resting my case and don't have nothing to say to you ;D
I personally not a fan of idea of Upgrade, the way he looks is good, but of course I would prefer classic equipped predator, but that's just my taste, and I am not shiting on the artist who came up with this designs and got it approved(who knows maybe Upgrade and Captured predator may work on a long term). Again I didn't like the Wolf design or Celtice or Berserks, but I wouldn't call artists who did their design and say: Hey guys! You suck! :P (of course it's exaggeration, but you get the point)
P.S. But in general I do agree that some designs do look ugly and some artists do bad job.
I`m medical doctor, ophthalmologist in making and junior ceo of small hospital. I do draw and write in my spare time and did take classes in drawing and painting when I was younger.
Both Upgrade and predator dog in TP seems to be product of thesame general thinking. Upgrade? Big body + dreadlocks and predator mouth! Predator Dog? Dog body + dreadlocks and predator mouth! Viola.
Seriously, you can do much much more to achive desired feelings in viewer, then this.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 24, 2018, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 24, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
Indeed. And look how 'unneccsssary' it turned out to be.
It's only in four of the eight films, and two of those were cameo appearances. So pretty unnecessary in the long run, to be honest.
Okay...
It's actually in a majority of the films considering it didn't exist in the first and Prometheus didn't include any xenomorph. It's also recognised by Giger himself as a brilliant addition, features in a large chunk of the expanded universe and is largely regarded to have enhanced the life cycle of the creature so if that's what you call 'unnecessary' then props to you.
I'm not saying the Upgrade will have the same legacy but let's at least see the film before we start ruling what is unnecessary and what isn't.
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 02:49:15 PM
I`m medical doctor, ophthalmologist in making and junior ceo of small hospital. I do draw and write in my spare time and did take classes in drawing and painting when I was younger.
Both Upgrade and predator dog in TP seems to be product of thesame general thinking. Upgrade? Big body + dreadlocks and predator mouth! Predator Dog? Dog body + dreadlocks and predator mouth! Viola.
Seriously, you can do much much more to achive desired feelings in viewer, then this.
I do get you point, and I personally don't know why they decided to go this road, but I am sure it was a lot of different drafts of different designs and a lot of brainstorming. I doubt they got few minutes to think and told Shane Black :"okay we just going to make big predator and dog with predator face!" ::)
Now if this was the case then they really didn't put much effort in this thing, but if they actually spent a lot of time and effort in coming up with this designs(I do understand that it's sounds silly judging by the design) then I can respect it, I may not agree on the design part, but hey not every art team gets lucky with the design part, sometimes they really missing at this department with fans, but it doesn't mean they didn't put hard work and thinking behind it, I did a lot of lame designs and I did try hard ;D
It's does sounds like an excuse, but I do try to clear the situation at pro studios and what goes through production artist's heads.
But sometimes it's an exception, it maybe a Producer's or Black's order to make dog with predator face, or just make a huge Upgrade and art team was like "Whaaaaat?" (this type of situation happens too). Or Art Director could be off too. Right now I do a lot of speculation about this thing, but my point is that art team does have orders to follow, and also catch the theme, atmosphere and art direction of the movie and Director's/Producer\s visions. ;)
I'm actually glad the upgrade just looks like a bigger predator. I didn't want them to completely redesign it.
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 24, 2018, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 02:49:15 PM
I`m medical doctor, ophthalmologist in making and junior ceo of small hospital. I do draw and write in my spare time and did take classes in drawing and painting when I was younger.
Both Upgrade and predator dog in TP seems to be product of thesame general thinking. Upgrade? Big body + dreadlocks and predator mouth! Predator Dog? Dog body + dreadlocks and predator mouth! Viola.
Seriously, you can do much much more to achive desired feelings in viewer, then this.
I do get you point, and I personally don't know why they decided to go this road, but I am sure it was a lot of different drafts of different designs and a lot of brainstorming. I doubt they got few minutes to think and told Shane Black :"okay we just going to make big predator and dog with predator face!" ::)
Now if this was the case then they really didn't put much effort in this thing, but if they actually spent a lot of time and effort in coming up with this designs(I do understand that it's sounds silly judging by the design) then I can respect it, I may not agree on the design part, but hey not every art team gets lucky with the design part, sometimes they really missing at this department with fans, but it doesn't mean they didn't put hard work and thinking behind it, I did a lot of lame designs and I did try hard ;D
It's does sounds like an excuse, but I do try to clear the situation at pro studios and what goes through production artist's heads.
But sometimes it's an exception, it maybe a Producer's or Black's order to make dog with predator face, or just make a huge Upgrade and art team was like "Whaaaaat?" (this type of situation happens too). Or Art Director could be off too. Right now I do a lot of speculation about this thing, but my point is that art team does have orders to follow, and also catch the theme, atmosphere and art direction of the movie and Director's/Producer\s visions. ;)
Agreed.
Quote from: bobcunk on Aug 24, 2018, 03:58:13 PM
I'm actually glad the upgrade just looks like a bigger predator. I didn't want them to completely redesign it.
That's good, but why It have to be naked?
Naked...
Maybe he just came out of a cryotube/test tube and was made by human scientists.
Assassin. I'm not too sure.
Pissed off bigger immature brother maybe.
Anybody has wondered what kind of pistol is Nebraska using here?
The explosion is the same as the plasma blasts.
I guess this weapon is created by Stargazers...you know, human weapon upgraded with Predator technology.
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Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 24, 2018, 04:59:23 PM
Anybody has wondered what kind of pistol is Nebraska using here?
The explosion is the same as the plasma blasts.
I guess this weapon is created by Stargazers...you know, human weapon upgraded with Predator technology.
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I thought it was some type of flare gun :)
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Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2018, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: von on Aug 24, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
we are all fixated with the classics - crude, weathered and bulky armor with cables/wires and what not hanging out. although understandably fugitive's armor is more streamlined and tactical-looking, i do hope to see a variety of inspired suit designs (modern and classic) within a single movie (designs in Predators were quite mediocre IMO)
What can I say, I love my Predator being Hi-Tech, Low Tech, intergalactic, tribal, savage aliens.
i'm with you on that. it's the contradiction (tribal/primitive nature vs hi-tech, advanced weaponry) that makes it soooo unique and compelling till this day, as with most things on the planet
but even Shane in the excerpt from Total Film's article has stated that some of the Predator's iconography has been lost. he has perpetuated it too
It's fine experimenting with the designs and giving the audience something new to consider. But in this film, there really is no "legitimate", old school Predator. Both of the Predators we're supposed to watch are so far removed in look and spirit form the original Predators that it feels disjointed from the previous films. It would be a little bit easier for the fans to digest if we had at least
one iconic Predator to relate to in the movie, imo.
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 24, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
Naked...
Maybe he just came out of a cryotube/test tube and was made by human scientists.
Assassin. I'm not too sure.
Pissed off bigger immature brother maybe.
You do realize you're not really funny, do you ? I don't mean to be aggressive or anything, but dude, you're often trying too hard ;)
For the Nebraska pic, it does look like a flare gun, but what is this wire hanging on his side ? Maybe it's an unfinished shot and the wire will be erased via CG
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 24, 2018, 05:16:20 PM
I thought it was some type of flare gun :)
I don't think so.
It has a cable attached. Maybe it is linked to an energy source...located on Nebraska's back or belt.
What came to my mind is that maybe that's why they go back to Stargazer lab later after Fugitive's escape...to pick up some high-tech weapon against the Assassin. Just think about the plasmacaster on Traeger's shoulder.
Anyway, at 0:39 and 0:40 those are plasma blasts...the former is from the Assassin, the latter is from Fugitive.
Why should there have to be a predator with the same suite in every movie. It's the face that matters. Every other movie has a the aliens wearing the same uniforms. It makes send a on star trek on a ship but not when they go to the Klingon homework and they all dress the same.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 24, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
It's actually in a majority of the films considering it didn't exist in the first and Prometheus didn't include any xenomorph. It's also recognised by Giger himself as a brilliant addition, features in a large chunk of the expanded universe and is largely regarded to have enhanced the life cycle of the creature so if that's what you call 'unnecessary' then props to you.
Not a single thing you listed made it "necessary", though. Plenty of stories after it was introduced didn't feature one at all. Only one movie featured it as a prominent threat.
Whether it was a welcome or useful addition isn't the same as being necessary.
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Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 24, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
It's actually in a majority of the films considering it didn't exist in the first and Prometheus didn't include any xenomorph. It's also recognised by Giger himself as a brilliant addition, features in a large chunk of the expanded universe and is largely regarded to have enhanced the life cycle of the creature so if that's what you call 'unnecessary' then props to you.
Not a single thing you listed made it "necessary", though. Plenty of stories after it was introduced didn't feature one at all. Only one movie featured it as a prominent threat.
Whether it was a welcome or useful addition isn't the same as being necessary.
Point is; if it's welcome, then it's already beyond being necessary. It doesn't matter if it's necessary or not if it fits in and it's a good addition altogether.
Sure, and I agree. But if someone wants to argue it's unnecessary, they're not exactly wrong.
And bringing up Aliens in a "how would you have reacted back then" in particular never works, because people made the same comments about that film then as people make any the new movies now ;D
My feelings are this is going to be a great action movie for the masses but a terrible predator film for the fans.
It seems they have got a lot right, in terms of action and suspense, camera shots, strong cast etc Shame they couldn't get the creature designs to look right. I think fugitive is one of the worst predator designs iv seen in years. Upgrade is totally unnecessary, but I suppose if it feeds the plot well it might still work.
I'd rather have a good film, full stop.
Rather than a mediocre one with things the fanatics desire.
I agree, give us a decent movie already ! Don't really care about all the fan stuff if it's built in a bad movie. This is cinema first and foremost, don't forget it.
I think Fugitive is the best looking predator since P2, by far.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 25, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
Don't really care about all the fan stuff if it's built in a bad movie.
That was AvPR.
Aliens was a vast downgrade from Alien. Cameron is a hack with a weird maternal fixation and a good eye for action scenes. His only movies worth watching are the vehicles for a certain monstrous Austrian.
And Piranha 2.
New Tv Spot is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=iLEFvu6UoGA
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 25, 2018, 04:17:21 PM
New Tv Spot is out
Привет! Да, это я его перезалил из Twitter ;)
Опубликовал тут - https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60307.msg2310890#msg2310890
:)
Spasiba! Ty ocien haroszyj gieroj! ;)
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 25, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 25, 2018, 04:17:21 PM
New Tv Spot is out
Привет! Да, это я его перезалил из Twitter ;)
Опубликовал тут - https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60307.msg2310890#msg2310890
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Аааа, то то я думал странно Олли тв спот и на русском канале на youtube ;D. Это ты еще залил в группу вконтакте Чужой и Хищник? :)
Quote from: Master on Aug 25, 2018, 04:35:31 PM
Spasiba! Ty ocien haroszyj gieroj! ;)
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Quote from: azamultic on Aug 25, 2018, 04:43:23 PMЭто ты еще залил в группу вконтакте Чужой и Хищник? :)
Это кто-то другой видимо, я в VK очень редко появляюсь (в группах по Хищнику не состою).
А вообще - я не против, пусть уходит в массы. ;)
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 25, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 25, 2018, 04:35:31 PM
Spasiba! Ty ocien haroszyj gieroj! ;)
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Quote from: azamultic on Aug 25, 2018, 04:43:23 PMЭто ты еще залил в группу вконтакте Чужой и Хищник? :)
Это кто-то другой видимо, я в VK очень редко появляюсь (в группах по Хищнику не состою).
А вообще - я не против, пусть уходит в массы. ;)
Понятно, я тебе послал личное сообщение, но у себя в личном кабинете я не могу найти высланные сообщения, и хотел спросить получил ли ты сообщение от меня? ;D
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 25, 2018, 05:40:18 PMу себя в личном кабинете я не могу найти высланные сообщения, и хотел спросить получил ли ты сообщение от меня? ;D
Получил. :)
Чтобы отслеживать отправленные сообщения, перед отправкой нужно нажать галочку около "Save a copy in my outbox"
Думаю, что на русском лучше в личке отписываться (чтобы не смущать сообщество AvP). ;)
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Sorry for a russian speech! :)
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 25, 2018, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 25, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
Don't really care about all the fan stuff if it's built in a bad movie.
That was AvPR.
Spot on.
I know the Predator film that I would want to make, but Shane Black isn't me. I don't wanna see "my" movie, I wanna see
his movie, just like I saw McTiernan's, Hopkins', Rodriguez/Antal's. That's what make movies great. I didn't watch the first Predator thinking "boy this movie better be have these things I love or else...". If Shane were to treat movies just for what the fans want, this would never go anywhere actually good, it would be just another soulless thing that only the fans would get and wouldn't even be able to justify its existence besides "oh just because the fans want it". That's AVPR right there. Had AVPR had a good director behind it, same story, decent actors, more character work and a decent ending to the battle... It still would have been a pretty mediocre movie, because it adds absolutely nothing to the mythos, it doesn't attempt to do anything new even as a movie by itself. It would be just a fun compilation of fanservice. Say what you want about AVP1 or Predators, but those movies tried to work with the material and add something new there, even if just a little. AVPR satisfies me as a Predator fan, because shit I actually love Wolf - but it absolutely lets me down as a movie viewer, and after that little experience I have no second thoughts on which I prefer The Predator to be.
Goddamn I'll stop writing so much.
YEh sorry guys for russian letters ;)
I am agree that it's better get a good movie (like the first one, because it was not about predator, it was just a good movie). Then a lot of fan servecing )))
I've been out of the loop on this for a while, but I've periodically kept myself updated on the "Predator 2018" news for the past couple of years. It seems like the footage being shown in trailers will differ (and quite significantly) from what will be appearing on theater screens in a few weeks.
I really hope this film ends up bringing the Predator back in terms of its iconic status. Though it seems many of us here disagree about a lot of known information thus far, hoping for this film to be "legitimately" good is one thing I hope we can all agree on.
All things considered, I'm quite excited to see what Shane Black has done here.
Everyone slates AVP but to be honest I think it's a good pop corn flick that was never supposed to be taken seriously. I enjoyed it when I was younger. As a stand alone piece I think AVP was better than predators. AVP is a guilty pleasure of mine, I know I shouldn't like it, but I do. Im a bit like a fat kid who loves cake. I know it will make me fat but I'll eat it anyway! Now I'm just going to take cover behind this rock while the insults fly 😂
It's my guilty pleasire too and I'm fat kid :laugh:
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Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 25, 2018, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 25, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
Don't really care about all the fan stuff if it's built in a bad movie.
That was AvPR.
Spot on.
I know the Predator film that I would want to make, but Shane Black isn't me. I don't wanna see "my" movie, I wanna see his movie, just like I saw McTiernan's, Hopkins', Rodriguez/Antal's. That's what make movies great. I didn't watch the first Predator thinking "boy this movie better be have these things I love or else...". If Shane were to treat movies just for what the fans want, this would never go anywhere actually good, it would be just another soulless thing that only the fans would get and wouldn't even be able to justify its existence besides "oh just because the fans want it". That's AVPR right there. Had AVPR had a good director behind it, same story, decent actors, more character work and a decent ending to the battle... It still would have been a pretty mediocre movie, because it adds absolutely nothing to the mythos, it doesn't attempt to do anything new even as a movie by itself. It would be just a fun compilation of fanservice. Say what you want about AVP1 or Predators, but those movies tried to work with the material and add something new there, even if just a little. AVPR satisfies me as a Predator fan, because shit I actually love Wolf - but it absolutely lets me down as a movie viewer, and after that little experience I have no second thoughts on which I prefer The Predator to be.
Goddamn I'll stop writing so much.
+ 10000. When you state so much truth, trust me you can write all you want ;)
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 25, 2018, 07:58:50 PM
YEh sorry guys for russian letters ;)
I am agree that it's better get a good movie (like the first one, because it was not about predator, it was just a good movie). Then a lot of fan servecing )))
+ 10000 also ;)
I whole heartedly and politely disagree with that statement. Sure there is nothing wrong adding new things, as long as they don't take to much from the character that we have come to recognise as "Predator"
Certain iconic things do need fan service imo. It's ultimately this same crowd that keeps the whole thing alive when a film isn't made for ten years. Be it buying comics, video games, figures and artwork.
If Shane black wanted to make his film that's cool. But you don't have to sh*t on the elements to get there. I'm holding out for him to pull one out the hat with the film and prove me wrong. Dogs, CGI upgrade and captured, it's all so unnecessary. Add to the fact the creature designs are forgettable, and you have a big problem.
The point is actually some franchises would probably be safer in the fans hands them letting studios kill them for a quick buck. Predator and Alien is one of them. Does anyone not seriously question 20th centuries neglect to both franchises over the last 20 years? I do.
Any alien or predator film with fox stamped on it I'm wary of these days. I wish Shane black the best. But I'm already rapidly losing hype for this film.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 12:54:15 PM
I whole heartedly and politely disagree with that statement. Sure there is nothing wrong adding new things, as long as they don't take to much from the character that we have come to recognise as "Predator"
Certain iconic things do need fan service imo. It's ultimately this same crowd that keeps the whole thing alive when a film isn't made for ten years. Be it buying comics, video games, figures and artwork.
If Shane black wanted to make his film that's cool. But you don't have to sh*t on the elements to get there. I'm holding out for him to pull one out the hat with the film and prove me wrong. Dogs, CGI upgrade and captured, it's all so unnecessary. Add to the fact the creature designs are forgettable, and you have a big problem.
The point is actually some franchises would probably be safer in the fans hands them letting studios kill them for a quick buck. Predator and Alien is one of them. Does anyone not seriously question 20th centuries neglect to both franchises over the last 20 years? I do.
Any alien or predator film with fox stamped on it I'm wary of these days. I wish Shane black the best. But I'm already rapidly losing hype for this film.
For me personally this whole thing is subjective, I mean you are fan of predator, I am fan of predator. For you this whole thing is shiting on the elements of the franchise, for me it's not. I am sure there is a fan who would even complaint about the City Hunter's face, like "why it's so different from the Jungle Hunter?" Every fan has different level of tolerance for the new changes to they beloved character. So who deciding what is "OK" to be changed and what is not "OK" to be changed?
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Certain iconic things do need fan service imo" By the way they did keep dreads(even so they changed the texture), they did keep mandibles, they did keep two teeth on the top of his jaw( I hated faces in AVP ), so they still keeping the Predator features which only Predator has, so they already kept his image in this regard ;)
Also disagree about that Alien and Predator franchise would be better in fans hand) That is very strong statement, without any prove, I mean Strause bros and Anderson already proved that it's bad idea to give this franchises to fans.
Another thing is that fans very strongly stuck with the "Canon" Idea, I had this obsession too for a while, that this is not canon, that is not canon. But when Disney purchased Star Wars Universe and canceled all canon of Star Wars and just redid it, I understood that it's no such thing as "Canon" in this Entertainment Media.
PS: All this said with respect so you wouldn't take my words negatively ;D
Azamultic no offence taken bro. Haha. We are usually of the same side of the same coin. So us not agreeing is intriguing. I get what you mean about being subjective, and whats canon etc, many would argue predator 2 is not canon to alien with the xenoskull for example.
but imo sometimes a character is a bit like a strawberry, I know what a strawberry looks like, what it smells like and what it tastes like.You couldn't give me an orange and exspect me to believe it's a strawberry. I feel this film is the orange to my strawberry..
Do you honestly believe fox have had both franchises under safe hands for the last 20 years? The track record speaks for itself. All I want is a serious predator film that has cool designs and knows what it wants to be, how hard is it? ;D
Also anyone seen Wolverine vs Predator with the super power beat down? or Batman: Dead end? They are awesome.
They put more thought into those short films than fox have put into their own movies, there's your proof that fans can make good material.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 02:07:10 PM
Azamultic no offence taken bro. Haha. We are usually of the same side of the same coin. So us not agreeing is intriguing. I get what you mean about being subjective, and whats canon etc, many would argue predator 2 is not canon to alien with the xenoskull for example.
but imo sometimes a character is a bit like a strawberry, I know what a strawberry looks like, what it smells like and what it tastes like.You couldn't give me an orange and exspect me to believe it's a strawberry. I feel this film is the orange to my strawberry..
Do you honestly believe fox have had both franchises under safe hands for the last 20 years? The track record speaks for itself. All I want is a serious predator film that has cool designs and knows what it wants to be, how hard is it? ;D
Exactly, you want your strawberry, I want my strawberry and few thousands fans want their strawberry ;) Point is everybody love Predator for their own reasons, of course as a fan of the same race of alien hunter we all have something in common, but again, too many opinions and every fan wants the next director to get what this fan exactly wants from Predator movie, which is very unrealistic ;D
"Do you honestly believe fox have had both franchises under safe hands for the last 20 years? The track record speaks for itself. " Exactly my point, they gave this franchises to fan-directors, and they failed for me personally. Anderson spoke in the Interview how he was fan of Ridley's Alien and you can clearly see his favor for Aliens in that movie, one Alien killed 2 preds, and almost killed the third one, also the interior design of Predator ship reminded too much of Alien elements. Strause bros were fans of Alien and Predator and they made the worst movie with Predator and Alien. Rodriguez was fan of Predator, and he couldn't deliver (yes he was a producer, but I am sure he was ruling on the set), action was weak, Predators didn't feel powerful at all, looked like clumsy rednecks (not being racist guys, talking about stereotypes) from some type of comedy. So yes fans did make bad movies for these franchises already ;D
"All I want is a serious predator film that has cool designs and knows what it wants to be, how hard is it?" Yes it is very hard, sometimes I make some cool 3d model and thinking "yehh my friends gonna dig it", I show them and they like "What is that? That looks lame". Sometimes it's really hard to get how people going to react to your ideas, and even harder to get fans. You may not change enough and people going to complaint that it's to similar to original, you going change too much and fans going to yell "WTF!!!!". It's really hard to find Golden Balance so that 90 % of viewers including fans going to be satisfied.
And in the end, Shane definitely knows what he is making, what he is aiming for, and that happened that his view didn't meet with majority of "fans" views on this franchise. But I can see by his interviews and tired face that he didn't slack of these 2 years, and he tries to make the best movie he can, you can see it, he sure did studied all other movies, and info about preds mythology (my speculation). And I love all Shane Blacks movies, of course he is not the best choice for Predator, but he is the one of the more original and interesting filmmakers in mainstream movie industry right now.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 02:07:10 PM
Also anyone seen Wolverine vs Predator with the super power beat down? or Batman: Dead end? They are awesome.
They put more thought into those short films than fox have put into their own movies, there's your proof that fans can make good material.
Ohhh common Elderclanleader really you using this videos as the argument ;D
I don't get why you are poking fun at super power beat down and batman dead end, perhaps you should rewatch them? As they are far better than your tone would imply.
I'm making a solid point. Both those shorts were made by fans with a mere budget of a £5000 or under. That's a lot of kick ass for a £5000. Proving A. Fans can make good material and can keep it feeling genuine. And B that it's not all about budget. And yes it's just common sense why piss off the majority of the fan base? As a business proposition it makes completely no sense to do that. You can add things to already established themes and ideas. There's no need to rewrite history.
If the fans don't like it, what are the general audience going to think? It's damaging and it impacts the return in profit.
As covenant found out.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 03:28:59 PM
I don't get why you are poking fun at super power beat down and batman dead end, perhaps you should rewatch them? As they are far better than your tone would imply.
I'm making a solid point. Both those shorts were made by fans with a mere budget of a £5000 or under. That's a lot of kick ass for a £5000. Proving A. Fans can make good material and can keep it feeling genuine. And B that it's not all about budget. And yes it's just common sense why piss off the majority of the fan base? As a business proposition it makes completely no sense to do that. You can add things to already established themes and ideas. There's no need to rewrite history.
If the fans don't like it, what are the general audience going to think? It's damaging and it impacts the return in profit.
As covenant found out.
"I'm making a solid point." Okay, what about my point that 20 century fox already gave Fans-Director(Anderson, Strause Brothers, Rodrigez) to work on the material? I think I made a solid point too ;)
"Fans can make good material and can keep it feeling genuine. And B that it's not all about budget. And yes it's just common sense why piss off the majority of the fan base?" Too much subjective points, like "make it feel genuine", of course studio doesn't want to mess it up, it's not their plan to spit in fans faces. Like again I feel like Shane Black with John Davis "genuinely" want to bring back the Predator on screen and make it good, judging by the reactions of people they are failing right now, but movie not even out yet.
Also I can't compare fan made video which consist mostly of final act fighting with the full length feature movie. I mean it's totally different things. Zack Snider can make a really cool looking fight in 5 min and I wouldn't call him a good director. Full length feature film and a short movie which consist mostly of fighting is different stuff. It's why I don't think you can bring his as a point. It could be cool for a short fan made movie, but you can't put it together with even "AvP" or "Predators".
PS: I am not a director major and never made a short movie, I think somebody in this forum does this type of stuff, I mean camera work and directing, so they may criticize this videos better then me. But I do like batman shot on the at 1:20 min mark. ;)
Your example about Anderson doesn't counter the fact iv produced proof that you asked for, that fans can make good films about their favourite characters. Granted they are not comparable to full length films, but when they look as good at they do for not even 1% of what it takes to make a full length film. You do have to wonder what some of these guys could do with a full blown budget. My argument is the fans know their character better than the people who hold the reigns. Sure you say it's subjective but I think we can all agree that there are certain things that make a character what it is. My point is you don't have to walk all over what has come before. It was why I hated 2010s predators ", the way mr black was implied to be stronger and more deadly than our classic counter part. Wow almost a decade on and they now want to do the same trick twice with the inclusion of upgrade. Its like fox just don't care about fan feedback at all.
My nomination for a director working on Predator is for Christopher Nolan to take a shot at it. The way he reinvented batman for the modern era, is what predator needs. I think Nolan would make one kick ass predator film. Sadly I can only dream. ;D
Christopher Nolan is styleless, no thank you.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 04:00:26 PM
Your example about Anderson doesn't counter the fact iv produced proof that you asked for, that fans can make good films about their favourite characters. Granted they are not comparable to full length films, but when they look as good at they do for not even 1% of what it takes to make a full length film. You do have to wonder what some of these guys could do with a full blown budget. My argument is the fans know their character better than the people who hold the reigns. Sure you say it's subjective but I think we can all agree that there are certain things that make a character what it is. My point is you don't have to walk all over what has come before. It was why I hated 2010s predators ", the way mr black was implied to be stronger and more deadly than our classic counter part. Wow almost a decade on and they now want to do the same trick twice with the inclusion of upgrade. Its like fox just don't care about fan feedback at all.
My nomination for a director working on Predator is for Christopher Nolan to take a shot at it. The way he reinvented batman for the modern era, is what predator needs. I think Nolan would make one kick ass predator film. Sadly I can only dream. ;D
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Granted they are not comparable to full length films, but when they look as good at they do for not even 1% of what it takes to make a full length film. You do have to wonder what some of these guys could do with a full blown budget." I used example as Zack Snider who is amazing and making really effective short scenes, fights, flashbacks etc. Does it make him a good director, my opinion :"Heeell No". Do you think he is a good director?
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My argument is the fans know their character better than the people who hold the reigns." Totally disagree with this statement. Okay, not totally, but very disagree with it ;D I think it's where We fundamentally not agreeing with each other. John Mct wasn't fan of Predator and he made the perfect Predator movie, Stephen Hopkins sure wasn't Predator fan and he made an Okay movie (My favorite though and I think that this move is really underrated). We (my opinion of course) don't need a fan director, we need a good and lucky director and the team to make a good movie(Jonh Mct) and get lucky with the design (Winston team). Shane Black is better director then Anderson, Strause Bros, and probably at this point better then Rodrigez (definitely better then Nimrod).
Too much fan service = 2 hour long commercial, leave that to Transformers franchise. Both AvP movies and Predators were weak because they relied too much on nods to previous films instead of giving us a solid story.
And since we are comparing strawberries to movies those short films are a different medium so comparing those is a bit far stretched in my opinion. Like azamultic has mentioned before those are like snippets from a movie where you don't get much storywise. Whereas there are more things to take into account making a full length movie. Even Predators had a good fight scene or two. Did fan service work? Yes it did here and there. The end product was weak.
In the end it's all subjective you don't like Predator dogs others may go crazy for it, same can be said about Upgrade etc. Personally I think Fugitive looks cool as f**k but you may not agree. And it's fine. In the end It is your own opinion.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 26, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
Christopher Nolan is styleless, no thank you.
Kind of agree, Nolan is a good director, but not my type and his movies always feel very dry, and emotionless(even when he creating an emotional moment). His action scenes definitely not as good as Shane's Black action scene for me personally.
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Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 04:00:26 PM
Your example about Anderson doesn't counter the fact iv produced proof that you asked for, that fans can make good films about their favourite characters. Granted they are not comparable to full length films, but when they look as good at they do for not even 1% of what it takes to make a full length film. You do have to wonder what some of these guys could do with a full blown budget. My argument is the fans know their character better than the people who hold the reigns. Sure you say it's subjective but I think we can all agree that there are certain things that make a character what it is. My point is you don't have to walk all over what has come before. It was why I hated 2010s predators ", the way mr black was implied to be stronger and more deadly than our classic counter part. Wow almost a decade on and they now want to do the same trick twice with the inclusion of upgrade. Its like fox just don't care about fan feedback at all.
My nomination for a director working on Predator is for Christopher Nolan to take a shot at it. The way he reinvented batman for the modern era, is what predator needs. I think Nolan would make one kick ass predator film. Sadly I can only dream. ;D
" My argument is the fans know their character better than the people who hold the reigns." Totally disagree with this statement. Okay, not totally, but very disagree with it ;D I think it's where We fundamentally not agreeing with each other. John Mct wasn't fan of Predator and he made the perfect Predator movie, Stephen Hopkins sure wasn't Predator fan and he made an Okay movie (My favorite though and I think that this move is really underrated). We (my opinion of course) don't need a fan director, we need a good and lucky director and the team to make a good movie(Jonh Mct) and get lucky with the design (Winston team). Shane Black is better director then Anderson, Strause Bros, and probably at this point better then Rodrigez (definitely better then Nimrod).
Damn it looks like me speaking ! Amen !
Without pushing it too far off topic, i'd love to see Peter Berg direct a Predator movie, that guy knows how to do some intense action scenes.
Lone survivor was outstanding and both Patriots day and Deepwater horizon where tense and thrilling.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 26, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
Damn it looks like me speaking ! Amen !
Thank you BigDaddyJohn and I actually did take your ideas ;) so I am actually plagiarizing you ;D
Quote from: Firestorm on Aug 26, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
Without pushing it too far off topic, i'd love to see Peter Berg direct a Predator movie, that guy knows how to do some intense action scenes.
Lone survivor was outstanding and both Patriots day and Deepwater horizon where tense and thrilling.
Man I forgot about that Director :o His "Cop Land" and "The Rundown" were good!
I don't think any franchise of anything would ever be better at fans' hands. And Shane is not taking away from the character we recognize as Predator, that seems to me like it's an idea fans convinced themselves with because they don't like the Upgrade, but the real deal is that the Upgrade perfectly fits in the Predator mythos, especially after Shane's contextualization of his existence. I've used it as an example before, but it's like the Alien Queen. "Bigger, better, badder", stronger, more menacing, whatever. YES, I know that Aliens didn't have the Alien Queen murdering on regular aliens to showcase how badass she is like this movie is doing, because that wouldn't have made much sense on the Alien mythology, but it does make sense on the Predator one, 'cause we know Predators fight amongst themselves sometimes. And the Predator franchise, after 3 movies, needed something majorly new. Yes it did. Did "need" to be the Upgrade? No, but then again, it didn't "need" to inherently be anything. ANY new idea that they tossed at us, SOMEONE would've said "ah this is unnecessary", "they should've done something else", etc, because fans are always dissing new ideas that are not their own. The dogs? We've had them before, they make sense, so sure. A different, bigger type of Predator who has new hunting abilities and weapons and reason for him to be this way that adds and fits in the world we already have? Absolutely. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with CGI if it's well done, looks real and it's the best way to execute an idea, so they absolutely should go ahead and use it. It's perfectly alright not to have the Upgrade as your favorite Predator in the franchise or not to like him at all, but he is a Predator. He fits in the mythology. He doesn't change or take away of what the Predator is, only adds to it.
Quote from: azamultic on Aug 26, 2018, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 26, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
Damn it looks like me speaking ! Amen !
Thank you BigDaddyJohn and I actually did take your ideas ;) so I am actually plagiarizing you ;D
You're welcome dude !
Quote from: Danversity on Aug 26, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
I don't think any franchise of anything would ever be better at fans' hands. And Shane is not taking away from the character we recognize as Predator, that seems to me like it's an idea fans convinced themselves with because they don't like the Upgrade, but the real deal is that the Upgrade perfectly fits in the Predator mythos, especially after Shane's contextualization of his existence. I've used it as an example before, but it's like the Alien Queen. "Bigger, better, badder", stronger, more menacing, whatever. YES, I know that Aliens didn't have the Alien Queen murdering on regular aliens to showcase how badass she is like this movie is doing, because that wouldn't have made much sense on the Alien mythology, but it does make sense on the Predator one, 'cause we know Predators fight amongst themselves sometimes. And the Predator franchise, after 3 movies, needed something majorly new. Yes it did. Did "need" to be the Upgrade? No, but then again, it didn't "need" to inherently be anything. ANY new idea that they tossed at us, SOMEONE would've said "ah this is unnecessary", "they should've done something else", etc, because fans are always dissing new ideas that are not their own. The dogs? We've had them before, they make sense, so sure. A different, bigger type of Predator who has new hunting abilities and weapons and reason for him to be this way that adds and fits in the world we already have? Absolutely. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with CGI if it's well done, looks real and it's the best way to execute an idea, so they absolutely should go ahead and use it. It's perfectly alright not to have the Upgrade as your favorite Predator in the franchise or not to like him at all, but he is a Predator. He fits in the mythology. He doesn't change or take away of what the Predator is, only adds to it.
Today is the day i wholeheartedly agree with many people here, and you are one of them ! ;)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 26, 2018, 06:03:28 PM
Today is the day i wholeheartedly agree with many people here, and you are one of them ! ;)
Thanks a bunch!
Am I hearing you all right? Christopher Nolan has been part of some the most ground breaking cinema in the last 20 years. Jesus you talk about me making bad comparisons. Shane black has nothing on what Nolan has achieved. That man has a real vision for every film he touches. Be it the dark knight, Dunkirk or interstellar. All which I might add were overwhelmingly critical and commercial successes. It's really funny how people attack people's opinions just for making a statement. It's my opinion deal with it.
I make an opinion and everyone turns it into a who's right and wrong. This is why I sometimes hate fandoms.
There is no right and wrong. It's just opinions people.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
Am I hearing you all right? Christopher Nolan has been part of some the most ground breaking cinema in the last 20 years. Jesus you talk about me making bad comparisons. Shane black has nothing on what Nolan has achieved. That man has a real vision for every film he touches. Be it the dark knight, Dunkirk or interstellar. All which I might add were overwhelmingly critical and commercial successes. It's really funny how people attack people's opinions just for making a statement. It's my opinion deal with it.
I make an opinion and everyone turns it into a who's right and wrong. This is why I sometimes hate fandoms.
There is no right and wrong. It's just opinions people.
Hey Elder everything is cool? Somebody attacked you? ??? Was it me?
PS: "
I make an opinion and everyone turns it into a who's right and wrong. This is why I sometimes hate fandoms." Nah man we just had a debate with you, it's the whole point of the debate, you showing you opinion and the other side shows their opinion and everybody trying to show their argument as more logical then the other person, so they can persuade each other (simply saying everybody think they are right, without this you wouldn't have an opinion, so it's natural for people debate over opinions). But the main thing is to be respectful and cool about it. ;)
I never attacked your opinion.
But Christopher Nolan's style is blue and black, changing aspect ratios and a Hans Zimmer soundtrack.
Not a style I care for.
I'd always rather see a Luc Besson, Denis Villeneuve, Jonathan Glazer, Peter Jackson or Bryan Fuller directed feature rather than a Christopher Nolan feature.
Because for all Jonathan Nolan's superb writing it doesn't make Christopher Nolan's films visually worthwhile.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 26, 2018, 08:16:30 PM
Christopher Nolan's style is blue and black, changing aspect ratios and a Hans Zimmer soundtrack.
Not to add fuel to any fires, but this is correct. I can only add that his films are far too long in general.
He's like Tarantino, minus all the things that make his movies unique and enjoyable.
After nearly 2 hours of Tarantino, I'm still expecting another dozen characters to engage in a massive shootout and an unusually odd yet attention grabbing conversation. After 2 hours of Nolan, I wake up long enough to ask if any of the characters have finally figured anything out yet. I may not even open my eyes, depending on how tired I am at the time. Tarantino has too much to say. Nolan takes too long to say too little.
I enjoyed Nolan's Interstellar...it was incredible. His Batman films are good but overrated IMO
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
I make an opinion and everyone turns it into a who's right and wrong. This is why I sometimes hate fandoms.
There is no right and wrong. It's just opinions people.
Yooooo Elder don't get angry with us, it's much more fans on your side then ours.(So it's mean you winning in overall) ;D
Nolans films are good, they just have very little rewatch value I find, he sort of asks you some questions, but the answers really don't require you to go back and watch it again. Inception maybe.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
Shane black has nothing on what Nolan has achieved. That man has a real vision for every film he touches. It's really funny how people attack people's opinions just for making a statement. It's my opinion deal with it.
I make an opinion and everyone turns it into a who's right and wrong. This is why I sometimes hate fandoms.
There is no right and wrong. It's just opinions people.
Really? You say people attack your opinion and begin to hate fandom yet when someone tells you Nolan is not a good choice for Predator you expect every board member to agree with you? Remember, Shane Black made script changes for the original Predator movie you are so fond of. Before that it was another dumb sci fi/action movie where Predator had a shape-shifting ability! To say Shane Black has not achieved what Nolan did is far from the truth. Lethal Weapon, Long Kiss Goodnight, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Nice Guys are all great movies. Also commercial success does not determine a good movie. If it was the case John Carpenter would have to be the worst director. But he isn't.
Nolan's Batman differs too much from the source material. He took too many liberties with his characters. Bruce Wayne is supposed to be a genius detective, a man of logic if you know what I mean. And certainly Bale did not look the part. Without his gadgets and employees he has to be the dumbest batman incarnation ever.
This is Batman we are talking about and we already have lots of differing opinions on this matter. Lots of contradictions, fans' comfort zones etc. Same thing applies to the Predator. That's why a movie done by a fan would never work. You can't please everyone. Some folks will enjoy this flick as long as it doesn't look trashy teen slasher like AvP:R or dumbed down mainstream sci-fi route of the first AvP.
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Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Aug 26, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
Shane black has nothing on what Nolan has achieved. That man has a real vision for every film he touches. It's really funny how people attack people's opinions just for making a statement. It's my opinion deal with it.
I make an opinion and everyone turns it into a who's right and wrong. This is why I sometimes hate fandoms.
There is no right and wrong. It's just opinions people.
Really? You say people attack your opinion and begin to hate fandom yet when someone tells you Nolan is not a good choice for Predator you expect every board member to agree with you? Remember, Shane Black made script changes for the original Predator movie you are so fond of. Before that it was another dumb sci fi/action movie where Predator had a shape-shifting ability! To say Shane Black has not achieved what Nolan did is far from the truth. Lethal Weapon, Long Kiss Goodnight, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Nice Guys are all great movies. Also commercial success does not determine a good movie. If it was the case John Carpenter would have to be the worst director. But he isn't.
Nolan's Batman differs too much from the source material. He took too many liberties with his characters. Bruce Wayne is supposed to be a genius detective, a man of logic if you know what I mean. And certainly Bale did not look the part. Without his gadgets and employees he has to be the dumbest batman incarnation ever.
This is Batman we are talking about and we already have lots of differing opinions on this matter. Lots of contradictions, fans' comfort zones etc. Same thing applies to the Predator. That's why a movie done by a fan would never work. You can't please everyone. Some folks will enjoy this flick as long as it doesn't look trashy teen slasher like AvP:R or dumbed down mainstream sci-fi route of the first AvP.
Good points :) shane is more indie while nolan is mainstream. just my 2 cents
Yeah well I don't know what half of you are talking about. Maybe that's it?
If you don't like his films fine but most of us do. The dark knight didn't get rated as one of the best movies ever period for no reason at all. For me Nolan's batman is the closest you are going to get to batman being in the real world. Nolan is an excellent director and visionary, I wasn't even a batman fan until Nolan came about with batman begins.
However I agree his films can be cold. But the technical side of his film making is original, unforgiving and ruthless. You might not like the guy for whatever reason, but to deny his talents is stupid. Let's keep in mind that most of his shots are practical with very little cgi if any. Between him, his wife and his brother, they have made some of the most original movies in cinema in the last 20 years. Sure he sometimes lacks character development and emotion. But all his films feel real. And to me that's his selling point. Thats why I think he would make a good director for predator. Since when has Predator been something emotional? Give me a break and give me something that feels serious and grounded in reality, over tacky one liners any day of the week. You might not like this fact, but Nolan resurrected and reinvented batman to the masses, it's a simple fact. If he can do it with batman. I'm pretty sure he could with any other franchise for that matter, including predator. By the way I wasn't aware Shane black had anything to do with the original predator script.
QuoteBut the technical side of his film making is original, unforgiving and ruthless.
I don't know what you're trying to say but there's nothing original about the technical side of his filmmaking. It's all very plain and functional with no real style of its own, attempting to recall an older period of filmmaking. That's not original, and about the only thing he's ruthless on is using film stock over digital.
The power of his films is that audiences think themselves clever after watching them, even if the films aren't half as smart as they think they are.
Ok siL if you say so. So all those films critics and fans who love his work are all lying are they? Could you do better than him?
Seriously if it's not Disney sour faces are bashing, it's someone else. In this case Nolan. It's almost as if to people like you anything commercial is dirty.
I guess I'm one of those who overrated The Dark Knight, but I enjoyed the dark and serious tone in that film especially with th Joker. I love that opening bank robbing scene, to me that scene is untouchable. But I can see where people are coming from with saying that most of his movies don't have much rewatch value and agree with the lot of you on that.
That being said I'm against a "serious" Predator movie. "Why so serious?" :P
Even the first Predator movie didn't take itself too seriously. It was just very grounded compared to the sequels and spinoffs that have followed.
This new movie seems to have a good balance and I think Shane was the perfect guy for the job (hopefully I still find myself saying this on September 13th). Just looking at the upgrade concept, that idea could have gone in a completely outlandish direction but it seems they have gone about the design and character of the creature in the best possible way. They've already convinced me that he is a better portrayed "super predator" than what Predators gave us anyway and I think the "super pred" concept fits well in the series.
Elderclanleader, you need to stop getting so offended that people disagree with you. I didn't bash him. I just didn't attribute qualities to him that aren't there. I like quite a lot of his films, appreciate the work he does to keep it practical, and that he credits his audience with some level of intelligence, which is more than can be said for most filmmakers.
But his films are often convoluted rather than complex and he puts far too much effort into his narrative structures and neglects his characters immensely. It's not that his films aren't emotional, it's that his characters are largely all the same suit wearing cut outs of each other. The most memorable characters in his films are basically those invented and cultured by other people for his Batman movies.
This is said by plenty of people and even often the people who like his films.
For my money he'd be a bad choice for Predator because I've of the most consistent criticisms of him is that he's not great at handling action scenes. They're usually considered the weakest scenes in his movies.
SiL I made one opinion and everyone jumped me for it. If I took it the wrong way I apologise. I'm a man of seriousness I suppose. I love films that are grounded in reality , that have weight. That doesn't mean they can't be fun. However I will stand up for something when I feel the critics are being overboard and in this case I feel some of you are. Nolan hasn't got to where he has got to by being mediocre.
The dark knight will be for years and years to come a classic. And it's Nolan's vision who is responsible for it. The same goes for interstellar, easily my favourite sci fi film of the last ten years, but I'd agree it isn't perfect. SiL I will agree with you also that his movies do have flaws, especially when it comes to characters development. But I love his attention to realism and grit. It's something I feel many directors cannot capture in the same way he does.
Change of subject anyone seen "the revenant" if so remember that epic first piece where the natives come after glass and his men? I remember watching it thinking, imagine if the natives in the trees were replaced with predators. That's the sort of epic set piece action I'm talking about that I would love to see in a predator film.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 27, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
The power of his films is that audiences think themselves clever after watching them, even if the films aren't half as smart as they think they are.
I think it's absolutely true for Inception and Interstellar especially. The Dark Knight Rises too, a bit.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 27, 2018, 11:22:07 AM
For my money he'd be a bad choice for Predator because I've of the most consistent criticisms of him is that he's not great at handling action scenes. They're usually considered the weakest scenes in his movies.
Then again, i totally agree. Just rewatch The Dark Knight, a great movie, but some action sequences are meh.
Inception is kinda clever though. Just the concept of it with the music and the levels is a cut above your average stuff.
I mean very few movies are actually that complicated, more thought provoking i'd say, unless you go for something like Primer, which still really left me with the feeling of - was it really that clever, or did they just deliberately try to confuse me. :D
Inception is just an inferior Paprika though.
Ripping off whole concepts and scenes.
This movie looks better every bits and pieces they release about it.
I think it's much more important to finally see a good predator movie than one which meets every expectation we have about the creature. Those are mostly just concepts in our heads anyway..
When I first watched Predator with people that weren't into/haven't heard about this universe at all, I could talk about it, make ideas together. They were interested by what they've seen. Not only because of the creature itself was good, but because the movie was too.
One doesn't want to talk about something that was utterly boring. And to be frank, as much as I like this place, I'm interested in the opinion of the people who are not that familiar with the franchise. Because they have a fresh look at things. I hope this movie will bring that.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 27, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
The power of his films is that audiences think themselves clever after watching them, even if the films aren't half as smart as they think they are.
Back in college, a friend of mine used to think he was just the coolest guy around simply because he could understand a Nolan film. I'm dead serious, he acted like he discovered some holy grail of cinema perfection that nobody else knew about or could ever possibly understand. God that was annoying. I'm not implying anyone here is like that, nor that all Nolan fans are that way, but that guy sure was. True story.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 27, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
Inception is just an inferior Paprika though.
Ripping off whole concepts and scenes.
Never saw it. Still I liked Inception.
I really like Paprika, but tbh I like Inception better, and I'm an anime freak. I think Perfect Blue is superior to Paprika.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 28, 2018, 02:19:23 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 27, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
Inception is just an inferior Paprika though.
Ripping off whole concepts and scenes.
Never saw it. Still I liked Inception.
As a fan of Inception, I saw Paprika and liked it immensely. It's a totally different take on the same concept of being able to influence one through dreams, but Inception was a very technically perfect experience.
The only problem I've always had with the 'predator' characters is this: They look like intelligent creatures; why do they have to bellow like dinosaurs most of the time?
Don't we bellow sometimes in our every day life ? I have some specific moments in mind ahem... ;D
I figure it's not really any different than a human war cry.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 28, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
Don't we bellow sometimes in our every day life ? I have some specific moments in mind ahem... ;D
Everybody's got a morning routine. ;)
Quote from: yautjapet on Aug 28, 2018, 09:06:26 PM
I figure it's not really any different than a human war cry.
Very similar I'd say. People also do the same thing when they go hunting, albeit not exactly a squeal and in much lower tones. And hoot and holler at the TV screen when watching their sports games, so there's that too.
So when someone walks through the office door 5 minutes before home time.
Aliens was one of the best examples of how you expand a universe, giving something to the xeno that makes it more than a b movie monster, cameron gave the alien a realistic lifecycle, not the stupid scott mess...
That upgrade is boring, i just rather have the fugitive only, its another "lets make it bigger and dumber". More hulks, domsdays, indominus...
Anyway cant wait to see the movie, im curios in how much black can damage the legacy of this creature, now we even have dogs with dreads! Cmon...
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 30, 2018, 11:22:21 PM
Aliens was one of the best examples of how you expand a universe, giving something to the xeno that makes it more than a b movie monster, cameron gave the alien a realistic lifecycle, not the stupid scott mess...
That upgrade is boring, i just rather have the fugitive only, its another "lets make it bigger and dumber". More hulks, domsdays, indominus...
Anyway cant wait to see the movie, im curios in how much black can damage the legacy of this creature, now we even have dogs with dreads! Cmon...
But if it didn't have the assassin and the story that goes with it, how would this universe expand in this movie if it's just a regular pred on the hunt again ?
Why not make the predator the protagonist? Scaping from humans while kill them in revenge, expand its background as specie.. Theres plenty of better ideas than a big mutated pred with dogs with dreads.. Sounds dumb..
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 30, 2018, 11:49:43 PM
Why not make the predator the protagonist?
Why not make him the antagonist?
QuoteScaping from humans while kill them in revenge, expand its background as specie..
Wow what a great idea.
QuoteTheres plenty of better ideas than a big mutated pred with dogs with dreads.. Sounds dumb..
Such an easy, simple-minded criticism. "Why does batman fight a guy in makeup and lipstick.. sounds dumb" ok ::)
Quote from: Hollywood on Aug 31, 2018, 12:16:30 AM
"Why does batman fight a guy in makeup and lipstick.. sounds dumb" ok ::)
I'm no superman fan either but damn that was cold. :D
And you keep at it of saying the Upgrade is "dumber", what's with this bullshit? Where did you get that from? The movie isn't even out yet, and the closest lead we've got as to the Upgrade's intelligence is how they're selling him, and they're selling him as SMARTER. Shane said it himself in tons of interviews; he's bigger, more dangerous, and smarter. Stop making assumptions, you haven't seen the movie yet. If after you see it you still wanna call the Upgrade dumb and you have good basis for that, be my guest, we're all ears. Up until then the only thing that's stupid here is to pull this argument without having even seen the thing yet.
Even I have to admit, Upgrade is coming off rather well. He seems to be plenty capable, and I look forward to seeing what he's got up his sleeve.
Quote from: Danversity on Aug 31, 2018, 01:23:30 AM
And you keep at it of saying the Upgrade is "dumber", what's with this bullshit? Where did you get that from? The movie isn't even out yet, and the closest lead we've got as to the Upgrade's intelligence is how they're selling him, and they're selling him as SMARTER. Shane said it himself in tons of interviews; he's bigger, more dangerous, and smarter. Stop making assumptions, you haven't seen the movie yet. If after you see it you still wanna call the Upgrade dumb and you have good basis for that, be my guest, we're all ears. Up until then the only thing that's stupid here is to pull this argument without having even seen the thing yet.
I think he refers to the whole idea, not the creature itself.
@Nathsp, it's really not dumb. There are many logical aspects of it, if you think a little. A, if you've seen that preds are sports hunters, and it's just fun for them, it really pisses them off that some ape like weakling messed with their game. Some fractions might even go full crazy about it. That's how it works so many times (think as this community, no need to go far, and they're supposed to be sapient creatures as well).
B, If they have some purpose and hunt is an active part of their society, why couldn't they use the traits of the prey/"enemy" to make themselves better. They have so many primitive aspects. Primitive tribes believed in things like this. They just have the means to make it reality.
Aliens is not a good example imho. It expanded the universe, but at what cost? Took away the unique intelligence of the creature, made it yes, in a way more formidable, but also transformed it into something really less interesting.
Yes I was refering to the whole idea of it, not the inteligence of the character.
About the joker, its a comic, and the better aproach would be that now the joker become a giant mutated monster with joker dogs that also use make up...
The predator from stan windston was perfect, the tribal aspect, the weapons, all of it make it unique, shane black removed all of this and transform it into another big cgi monster, the idea while can be great to see sounds lazy, its the same as any other modern movie, megalodon whoaaa a bigger shark...
About the aliens, cameron remove the individual inteligence of it, but gave them something more powerfull, a society, a collective inteligence, a realistic and more efficient lifecycle.
And dont get me wrong, i really hope the best from the movie, its just that the idea of the upgrade is to stupid, lazy and unnecesary, a smaller guy that hits hard is cooler than a big guy doing the same
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Yes I was refering to the whole idea of it, not the inteligence of the character.
About the joker, its a comic, and the better aproach would be that now the joker become a giant mutated monster with joker dogs that also use make up...
The predator from stan windston was perfect, the tribal aspect, the weapons, all of it make it unique, shane black removed all of this and transform it into another big cgi monster, the idea while can be great to see sounds lazy, its the same as any other modern movie, megalodon whoaaa a bigger shark...
About the aliens, cameron remove the individual inteligence of it, but gave them something more powerfull, a society, a collective inteligence, a realistic and more efficient lifecycle.
And dont get me wrong, i really hope the best from the movie, its just that the idea of the upgrade is to stupid, lazy and unnecesary, a smaller guy that hits hard is cooler than a big guy doing the same
But like you said, the unique aspect of it was introduced and used pefectly in the first movie. You do the same now, and it's not unique anymore.
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
About the joker, its a comic,
So?
Quote...and the better aproach would be that now the joker become a giant mutated monster with joker dogs that also use make up...
The point went over your head. Your criticism is simple and based on face value of what we have. Anything can "sound dumb" on paper including one of the greatest villains ever developed in comics and on film.
QuoteThe predator from stan windston was perfect, the tribal aspect
You're saying the predators in this film won't have tribal characteristics and customs?
Quotethe weapons, all of it make it unique,
They still have weapons in this movie...
Quoteshane black removed all of this
You're simply wrong about that, sorry.
Quote...and transform it into another big cgi monster, the idea while can be great to see sounds lazy, its the same as any other modern movie, megalodon whoaaa a bigger shark...
That argument sounds lazy. Do you think the CGI looks bad? What other monsters would you compare the predator to because the megalodon is one that is rather simple-minded (and only one way of killing its victims).
QuoteAbout the aliens, cameron remove the individual inteligence of it, but gave them something more powerfull, a society, a collective inteligence, a realistic and more efficient lifecycle.
They're so intelligent they swarm towards their death like zombies and their realistic efficient lifecycle hinges on them seeking out lifeforms that can kill them. How many aliens died in effort to impregnate a handful of marines?
QuoteAnd dont get me wrong, i really hope the best from the movie
I'm sure, that's why you said "Anyway cant wait to see the movie, im curios in how much black can damage the legacy of this creature."
Quote...its just that the idea of the upgrade is to stupid, lazy and unnecesary, a smaller guy that hits hard is cooler than a big guy doing the same
Says who?
Did Rocky ever fight a smaller guy that hits hard or did he beat the snot out of a giant Russian man and deliver one of the best movies in the franchise?
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Yes I was refering to the whole idea of it, not the inteligence of the character.
About the joker, its a comic, and the better aproach would be that now the joker become a giant mutated monster with joker dogs that also use make up...
The predator from stan windston was perfect, the tribal aspect, the weapons, all of it make it unique, shane black removed all of this and transform it into another big cgi monster, the idea while can be great to see sounds lazy, its the same as any other modern movie, megalodon whoaaa a bigger shark...
About the aliens, cameron remove the individual inteligence of it, but gave them something more powerfull, a society, a collective inteligence, a realistic and more efficient lifecycle.
And dont get me wrong, i really hope the best from the movie, its just that the idea of the upgrade is to stupid, lazy and unnecesary, a smaller guy that hits hard is cooler than a big guy doing the same
While I still think the premise a bit absurd and don't see Shane Black as the most appropriate person to helm the project, the film has already gone through several re-shoots, with test audiences being used as a guide to improve the story. It also wouldn't surprise me if some important individuals lurked here to get better insight into what fans are looking forward to seeing. What may have started as a bizarre Predator movie could potentially end up being something entertaining and maybe exceed expectations. It would also do us all good (including me) to leave enough space in our "opinions" as we go into the movie. We may be surprised at how enjoyable the movie is if we go in with a more open mindset. Not necessarily open-minded per se, but a more neutral baseline instead of setting the movie up for failure from the get go.
So rocky looks cooler being smaller than the other guy, you are agree with me then than smaller are cooler.
The tribal aspect, do you see any remains of the predator in the design, that modern armor of the fugitive is standard.
You seem that dont understand me, its not the villain, its in what he has transform it, imagine that they do a movie about darth vader but now he has 4 arms and lasers in the eyes, or the next joker is now a super smart and crazy koala.. The predator was already a great villain, he has transform it into a gian cgi monster, roarrr pew pew.. Its something that now is in every movie, everything has to be hulk size, and as rocky bigger is not better, i prefer the small guy hitting hard than the big cgi monster.
But its true that we have to wait until the movie, for me the plot seems stupid and unnecesary, and if i have a great time in the movie i will say it, damn i was sceptik about jurassic world and ended having fun in the cinema, hope it happens again.
Anyway I dont trust "shame" black, iron man 3 is so bad...
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 04:58:50 PM
So rocky looks cooler being smaller than the other guy, you are agree with me then than smaller are cooler.
The thing is you want the predator to be the hero so much... He ain't.
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 04:58:50 PM
So rocky looks cooler being smaller than the other guy, you are agree with me then than smaller are cooler.
Nope. The antagonist is cool being bigger. Dont be daft.
QuoteThe tribal aspect, do you see any remains of the predator in the design,
Definitely still looks like a predator to me.
QuoteYou seem that dont understand me, its not the villain, its in what he has transform it, imagine that they do a movie about darth vader but now he has 4 arms and lasers in the eyes, or the next joker is now a super smart and crazy koala..
Yeah spot on with the comparison 👍
QuoteThe predator was already a great villain, he has transform it into a gian cgi monster, roarrr pew pew.. Its something that now is in every movie, everything has to be hulk size, and as rocky bigger is not better, i prefer the small guy hitting hard than the big cgi monster.
Anyway I dont trust "shame" black, iron man 3 is so bad...
"Roarrr pew pew" f**king hell, Petr, you're not fooling anyone ::)
Quote from: Hollywood on Aug 31, 2018, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 04:58:50 PM
So rocky looks cooler being smaller than the other guy, you are agree with me then than smaller are cooler.
Nope. The antagonist is cool being bigger. Dont be daft.
QuoteThe tribal aspect, do you see any remains of the predator in the design,
Definitely still looks like a predator to me.
QuoteYou seem that dont understand me, its not the villain, its in what he has transform it, imagine that they do a movie about darth vader but now he has 4 arms and lasers in the eyes, or the next joker is now a super smart and crazy koala..
Yeah spot on with the comparison 👍
QuoteThe predator was already a great villain, he has transform it into a gian cgi monster, roarrr pew pew.. Its something that now is in every movie, everything has to be hulk size, and as rocky bigger is not better, i prefer the small guy hitting hard than the big cgi monster.
Anyway I dont trust "shame" black, iron man 3 is so bad...
"Roarrr pew pew" f**king hell, Petr, you're not fooling anyone ::)
Well, looks like we got an overkill here :laugh:
Everyone has its own opinion, overkill? Dont think so, just diferent opinions, for me a regular predator is perfect as it is, i dont need a "upgrade", and dont need preds with dreads..
In two weeks we will see, and if i enjoy the movie im gonna say it, some of the trailer looks nice
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 04:58:50 PM
...imagine that they do a movie about darth vader but now he has 4 arms and lasers in the eyes, or the next joker is now a super smart and crazy koala...
Anyway I dont trust "shame" black
"Just different opinions" lol
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 08:35:11 PM
i dont need a "upgrade", and dont need preds with dreads..
Hate to break it to you but all Predators have had dreads... :o
Quote from: Hollywood on Aug 31, 2018, 09:04:32 PM
Hate to break it to you but all Predators have had dreads... :o
Well now you've gone an ruined the surprise. Get some spoiler tags on that thing. ;)
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Yes I was refering to the whole idea of it, not the inteligence of the character.
About the joker, its a comic, and the better aproach would be that now the joker become a giant mutated monster with joker dogs that also use make up...
The predator from stan windston was perfect, the tribal aspect, the weapons, all of it make it unique, shane black removed all of this and transform it into another big cgi monster, the idea while can be great to see sounds lazy, its the same as any other modern movie, megalodon whoaaa a bigger shark...
About the aliens, cameron remove the individual inteligence of it, but gave them something more powerfull, a society, a collective inteligence, a realistic and more efficient lifecycle.
And dont get me wrong, i really hope the best from the movie, its just that the idea of the upgrade is to stupid, lazy and unnecesary, a smaller guy that hits hard is cooler than a big guy doing the same
Yea, I see the point about being a lazy idea. In many cases it happens (studio bring a bigger version of the monster and thinks it's just gonna be cooler that way). But where I think you, and many people miss the point is that a, the same type of predators are present in the movie, and seemingly they will pose a big threat, so the original character will be well represented. B, and it's very important, Assassin seems to have a different type of mindset. It doesn't seem like a mindless beast that is just bigger and cooler, but something really different. That's not the same as just making it better, it's introducing individual aspects of their species. It all depends on how they can make it work.
To be frank, with what you said about Aliens just seems to prove this point. A different aspect was introduced, and well received by many. In my opinion it was just pointless. I hope the Assassin will not be like the Queen from Aliens.
My issues with the Upgrade Predator would be less so if...
Spoiler
if he didn't kill the Fugitive Predator. But the fact that he does, and essentially replaces him, just annoys me. If you wanna have a big mutant Hulk Predator going around and being a threat cool, but just don't use him to humiliate the classic creature. It's an insult.
I mean, now that "the hunt has evolved" is every future film (if we even get more) going to feature these new Upgrades? Are we never going back?
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 31, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Aug 31, 2018, 09:04:32 PM
Hate to break it to you but all Predators have had dreads... :o
Well now you've gone an ruined the surprise. Get some spoiler tags on that thing. ;)
I was saying dogs, my mistake
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 31, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Aug 31, 2018, 09:04:32 PM
Hate to break it to you but all Predators have had dreads... :o
Well now you've gone an ruined the surprise. Get some spoiler tags on that thing. ;)
Lol my bad :laugh:
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 31, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
My issues with the Upgrade Predator would be less so if...
Spoiler
if he didn't kill the Fugitive Predator. But the fact that he does, and essentially replaces him, just annoys me. If you wanna have a big mutant Hulk Predator going around and being a threat cool, but just don't use him to humiliate the classic creature. It's an insult.
I'm mean, now that "the hunt has evolved" is every future film (if we even get more) going to feature these new Upgrades? Are we never going back?
Agreed, and good point. If
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Fugitive maintained sort of an antagonist role throughout the movie with Upgrade as the core villain that needs to be stopped, and Fugitive manages to eke out a win in the end, that would be one thing... but this new mega roided out pred as the main predator of the story doesn't sit well with me.
And yeah, once you go the "bigger = better" route, where does it stop? Depending on how it plays out on-screen with what we've heard about Upgrade being a result of one particular faction, we don't necessarily have to revisit the DNA enhancement aspect again... but I wonder if the casual audience member is just going to remember "that huge monster predator who wrecked everyone" with the studio feeling they have to continue "upping the stakes" with more dramatic and attention-grabbing threats.
Well, the "upping the stakes with more dramatic and attention-grabbing threats" is par for the course - the franchise needs to progress in some form - but I'd consider having the films escalate with bigger, badder Predators each time a legitimate concern.
Anybody got any bright ideas for the future of "Predator" as a franchise that isn't leeching off Alien?
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 31, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
I mean, now that "the hunt has evolved" is every future film (if we even get more) going to feature these new Upgrades? Are we never going back?
There will be a director in the future who will say: "let's get back to original, just let the Predator be what it used to be once."
Quote from: huntin8-t0n on Aug 31, 2018, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Aug 31, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Yes I was refering to the whole idea of it, not the inteligence of the character.
About the joker, its a comic, and the better aproach would be that now the joker become a giant mutated monster with joker dogs that also use make up...
The predator from stan windston was perfect, the tribal aspect, the weapons, all of it make it unique, shane black removed all of this and transform it into another big cgi monster, the idea while can be great to see sounds lazy, its the same as any other modern movie, megalodon whoaaa a bigger shark...
About the aliens, cameron remove the individual inteligence of it, but gave them something more powerfull, a society, a collective inteligence, a realistic and more efficient lifecycle.
And dont get me wrong, i really hope the best from the movie, its just that the idea of the upgrade is to stupid, lazy and unnecesary, a smaller guy that hits hard is cooler than a big guy doing the same
Yea, I see the point about being a lazy idea.
The thing is he suggested only lazy ideas too, no offense, ones that children could come up with, nothing better than what this movie seem to offer.
I take it, that's a no then.
Im sure a movie with a pred as a protagonist, not a hero, but as a main character is more interesting than a gian cgi mutated monster with dogs that has dreads...
You dont oftten to see a movie with a villain as protagonist, and has background to explore the pred society and rutials, but meh, lets enjoy the explosions and q big monster
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 01, 2018, 04:06:35 AM
Anybody got any bright ideas for the future of "Predator" as a franchise that isn't leeching off Alien?
Can't say I do. I just hope they clamp a lid on this thing before it gets any bigger. Before giant predators are running everywhere and everybody knows about them. Before we have the predator military vs the human military. Before this turns into Lord of the Rings or Jurassic World. I hope classic predators are once again elevated to a respectable level of fear, and the creature is returned to the shadows and the jungle.
The last thing I want to see, is the predator franchise as a whole, turned into avp. And I'm honestly concerned Shane would be the one to take it there. I hope this movie does good, but not enough to warrant a sequel. Let it hibernate again for awhile and have Shane walk away. Lest we suffer the Ridley effect and begin Shane Black's predquels.
Next movie will be a predator hybrid tall as a building fighting with godzilla and people will say its amazing idea...
How i wish they put out a movie like modern mad max, new but not shitty new.
This is all too ironically similar to the Indominous Rex concept.
I feel like saying "They're predators, wow enough."
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 01, 2018, 10:13:15 PM
This is all too ironically similar to the Indominous Rex concept.
I feel like saying "They're predators, wow enough."
That's how I feel about it. They're already imposing and interesting enough. I think it was Shane who said we can't just do a rehash of the original movie because what made it tense and frightening won't necessarily work again, since we as audiences know the predator now, and I agree... but they can't think of anything to keep a ruthless, brutal, cunning, mysterious alien hunter scary without doing a "bigger and better" hybrid thing...?
What's done is done with this movie and I think the saving grace is the design choice they went with for the Upgrade. It's not out of the realm of possibility for them to get as large as Upgrade. Any bigger though and we will be treading in some awful storytelling and design territory. A few shots do look a little too CGI (like when he's roaring) but, as a whole, it seems acceptable for the species mythos.
I also hope this movie is a complete success but I'm ok with the series going into hibernation for a bit before another sequel emerges. Personally, I like that each sequel, so far, has been more standalone rather than direct sequels. Little call backs to previous films is ok but I don't care to see an all out Independence Day-Predator series unfold after this one.
Of course any Predator movie should revolve around the hunt but I think a big thing that helps keep these types of stories fresh is the different settings. It would be cool to see a Predator movie set in the old west (or another time period), but I get how that is something big studios are not looking to put money towards. I think the upgrade/bad blood concept is a fresh and viable route to take sequel films however. Perhaps take a story back on another hunting planet or, dare I say, their home world. Execution is everything but it's easy to see how that could completely ruin the image of the creature and the series for good too.
Heres hoping the video game industry puts out a new Predator game or two that is willing to unveil the species in certain ways that probably wouldn't work in movie format. Frankly, I'd rather see a detailed Predator games than unoriginal sequels pushed out by a film studio.
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 01, 2018, 10:25:58 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 01, 2018, 10:13:15 PM
This is all too ironically similar to the Indominous Rex concept.
I feel like saying "They're predators, wow enough."
That's how I feel about it. They're already imposing and interesting enough. I think it was Shane who said we can't just do a rehash of the original movie because what made it tense and frightening won't necessarily work again, since we as audiences know the predator now, and I agree... but they can't think of anything to keep a ruthless, brutal, cunning, mysterious alien hunter scary without doing a "bigger and better" hybrid thing...?
Ala Jurassic World or not, they are just expanding the bestiary (for better or worse) just like the Alien franchise...
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I like predators as they were in the first two movies. I really hope key elements about them won't change, and this movie will not be going in the direction of turning the creature any its mythos to be just another evil sci-fi villain.
If the canges feel right, respect the predecessor and make room for thoughts to come, it's good. I hope the whole upgrade concept will do that.
On the other hand, and for me this is really sad, I think introducing something like the Upgrade was inevitable. Not because the creature alone wouldn't stand its ground, but because there were so many f*ck ups about the franchise since P1, they are desperately trying to find something to lure the audience in. That's just sad.
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 01, 2018, 05:45:19 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 31, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
I mean, now that "the hunt has evolved" is every future film (if we even get more) going to feature these new Upgrades? Are we never going back?
There will be a director in the future who will say: "let's get back to original, just let the Predator be what it used to be once."
I was hoping that would have been Shane Black. :laugh:
They already made it clear several times that Upgrade is ONE guy who was especially made for this. The franchise won't become a 10-foot tall Predator party, especially after the Upgrade fails in his mission in this one. Just like Aliens didn't shove the Alien Queen in every movie after she appeared. They're gonna do something else, and whatever it is we're just gonna have to wait and see.
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 02, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
They already made it clear several times that Upgrade is ONE guy who was especially made for this. The franchise won't become a 10-foot tall Predator party, especially after the Upgrade fails in his mission in this one. Just like Aliens didn't shove the Alien Queen in every movie after she appeared. They're gonna do something else, and whatever it is we're just gonna have to wait and see.
I don't think it's a matter of 10' creatures forever. But in the last movie we had the beserkers, now we have the upgrade. That's two movies in a row where the classic predator has been outmatched by larger/stronger hybrids. There's only so many times this can be done before people start wondering, "are the classic predators just the Kevin Hart's of their species?".
I'm all for seeing new and awesome things, but the bigger and badder the new predators get, the less ferocious the originals become.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 02, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
They already made it clear several times that Upgrade is ONE guy who was especially made for this. The franchise won't become a 10-foot tall Predator party, especially after the Upgrade fails in his mission in this one. Just like Aliens didn't shove the Alien Queen in every movie after she appeared. They're gonna do something else, and whatever it is we're just gonna have to wait and see.
I don't think it's a matter of 10' creatures forever. But in the last movie we had the beserkers, now we have the upgrade. That's two movies in a row where the classic predator has been outmatched by larger/stronger hybrids. There's only so many times this can be done before people start wondering, "are the classic predators just the Kevin Hart's of their species?".
I'm all for seeing new and awesome things, but the bigger and badder the new predators get, the less ferocious the originals become.
100 % agree, look jurassic world, now a hybrid of a hybrid, and you just think how ended like this, how a magic dinosaur franchice ended in a movie about a hybrid monster killing people in a mansion...
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 02, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
They already made it clear several times that Upgrade is ONE guy who was especially made for this. The franchise won't become a 10-foot tall Predator party, especially after the Upgrade fails in his mission in this one. Just like Aliens didn't shove the Alien Queen in every movie after she appeared. They're gonna do something else, and whatever it is we're just gonna have to wait and see.
I don't think it's a matter of 10' creatures forever. But in the last movie we had the beserkers, now we have the upgrade. That's two movies in a row where the classic predator has been outmatched by larger/stronger hybrids. There's only so many times this can be done before people start wondering, "are the classic predators just the Kevin Hart's of their species?".
I'm all for seeing new and awesome things, but the bigger and badder the new predators get, the less ferocious the originals become.
I don't think I have the slightest problem with that. Because yes, from a biological, physical point of view, the original Predators are the weakest ones. Fine. That doesn't mean that they're always gonna be the least dangerous ones. In a future movie, a smaller, traditional Predator may very well be shown as more dangerous than anything else just because of a specific set of skills he has that other original Predators didn't have, or for being more intelligent, his hunting tactics and everything. That's absolutely normal and a very strong possibility.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 02, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
They already made it clear several times that Upgrade is ONE guy who was especially made for this. The franchise won't become a 10-foot tall Predator party, especially after the Upgrade fails in his mission in this one. Just like Aliens didn't shove the Alien Queen in every movie after she appeared. They're gonna do something else, and whatever it is we're just gonna have to wait and see.
I don't think it's a matter of 10' creatures forever. But in the last movie we had the beserkers, now we have the upgrade. That's two movies in a row where the classic predator has been outmatched by larger/stronger hybrids. There's only so many times this can be done before people start wondering, "are the classic predators just the Kevin Hart's of their species?".
I'm all for seeing new and awesome things, but the bigger and badder the new predators get, the less ferocious the originals become.
The Berserkers weren't the Super Predators in the end. Depending on how much of the concept makes it through in the end, the Upgrade could be a legitimate "super" Predator. Regardless, this time around it will be visibly at least more physically bigger than the original.
And besides...we've seen Predators bested by small monkeys for ages too. They don't just lose to their own kind too. :P
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 02, 2018, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
I don't think it's a matter of 10' creatures forever. But in the last movie we had the beserkers, now we have the upgrade. That's two movies in a row where the classic predator has been outmatched by larger/stronger hybrids. There's only so many times this can be done before people start wondering, "are the classic predators just the Kevin Hart's of their species?".
I'm all for seeing new and awesome things, but the bigger and badder the new predators get, the less ferocious the originals become.
I don't think I have the slightest problem with that. Because yes, from a biological, physical point of view, the original Predators are the weakest ones. Fine. That doesn't mean that they're always gonna be the least dangerous ones. In a future movie, a smaller, traditional Predator may very well be shown as more dangerous than anything else just because of a specific set of skills he has that other original Predators didn't have, or for being more intelligent, his hunting tactics and everything. That's absolutely normal and a very strong possibility.
Exactly, maybe a smaller Bad Blood who fights
really dirty (the proverbial raping and pillaging). Or a Trojan horse type scenario, with a "benevolent" Predator that uses humanity for its own gain. There are plenty of routes that can be taken. I do feel that the continuous
upgrading of the Predator after each movie is concerning, but it doesn't necessarily spell the death of the original Predators and how they can still be the main antagonists in future films.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 03, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 02, 2018, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
I don't think it's a matter of 10' creatures forever. But in the last movie we had the beserkers, now we have the upgrade. That's two movies in a row where the classic predator has been outmatched by larger/stronger hybrids. There's only so many times this can be done before people start wondering, "are the classic predators just the Kevin Hart's of their species?".
I'm all for seeing new and awesome things, but the bigger and badder the new predators get, the less ferocious the originals become.
I don't think I have the slightest problem with that. Because yes, from a biological, physical point of view, the original Predators are the weakest ones. Fine. That doesn't mean that they're always gonna be the least dangerous ones. In a future movie, a smaller, traditional Predator may very well be shown as more dangerous than anything else just because of a specific set of skills he has that other original Predators didn't have, or for being more intelligent, his hunting tactics and everything. That's absolutely normal and a very strong possibility.
Exactly, maybe a smaller Bad Blood who fights really dirty (the proverbial raping and pillaging). Or a Trojan horse type scenario, with a "benevolent" Predator that uses humanity for its own gain. There are plenty of routes that can be taken. I do feel that the continuous upgrading of the Predator after each movie is concerning, but it doesn't necessarily spell the death of the original Predators and how they can still be the main antagonists in future films.
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"Not unless I consent, Mr.
Yautja. You're not nice like Scar!"
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 03, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
Exactly, maybe a smaller Bad Blood who fights really dirty (the proverbial raping and pillaging). Or a Trojan horse type scenario, with a "benevolent" Predator that uses humanity for its own gain. There are plenty of routes that can be taken. I do feel that the continuous upgrading of the Predator after each movie is concerning, but it doesn't necessarily spell the death of the original Predators and how they can still be the main antagonists in future films.
I wouldn't say it was continuous. It was an old concept for the last one, it's actually been realised in this one.