Dear all,
I just found a very good new article on the potential new PROMETHEUS SEQUEL!!!!
http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-5-things-we-want-to-see-in-a-sequel.php (http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-5-things-we-want-to-see-in-a-sequel.php)
There are some very interesting points in here, especially regarding the potential plot and what we would like to see improved...
AP ;-)
5 things we want to see in a sequel: 5 things we should have seen in the first one.
True! But still...
Not sure I agree with the Originality part. I thought a big reason why people wasn't fond of it was because it wasn't an Alien movie with the same creatures.
I want less Shaw. Naomi Rapace just doesn't do it for me. David was shockingly awesome.
I also want less "Alien". More new stuff.
Also, a better score.
Quote from: Darkness on Jun 12, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
Not sure I agree with the Originality part. I thought a big reason why people wasn't fond of it was because it wasn't an Alien movie with the same creatures.
I see it the other way around. Most people i know would have liked to go further in the direction it seems to be going.
I, for one, am tired of Alien's.
I think this (out of the things mentioned in the article) is what I'd like to see change the most:
Spoiler
For all its gloriously gorgeous 3D visuals and wonderfully wrought alien vistas, Prometheus was burdened by an at times trying screenplay which was riddled with a number of chest-burster sized plot-holes... The trillion dollar mission, probably the most important scientific endeavour of all time, employed some absurdly dumb individuals- not least the biologist Milburn, who attempted to befriend not only strung-out geologist Fifield but a terrifying alien space-snake! I had to suspend my disbelief at the fact that there had been no prior mission briefing on Earth and that, on a mission to engage extraterrestrials, there was no pre-established protocol on what to do if the crew actually encountered any extraterrestrials... Also the fact that the spaceship just happened to materialise at the one place on LV-223 that hosted the sole surviving Engineer was implausible.
The most glaring plot issue for me though was the fact that CEO-in-waiting and presumed business whizz-kid Meredith Vickers couldn't work out that, if she had run several metres to the right when the Engineer's spacecraft was falling down around her, she would probably still be alive.
It amazes me that Ridley and his team did not pick up on some of these glaring plot deficiencies. In some cases a few lines of exposition could have tidied things up, and hopefully a future cut of the film will bandage over some of these issues. Nevertheless, let's hope and pray to our space-jockey creators that the producers of the sequel come up with a tighter plot and screenplay the first time round!
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
Im not bothered about a sequel for the main reason that prometheus was utter garbage. Ive spent days scratching about on the internet trying to make sense of it and people have put some great theories out there but is this what we want from a film? People guessing at what its supposed to be about? I really cant believe how much it sucked all the questions it raised and did not answer it literally is lost all over again. The trailers made it out to be an Alien film but it was just lame.
Spoiler
It had terrible characters, terrible dialogue. "if you are going out there your going to die" a geologist with mapping equipment who get lost and a moron who is stupid enough to try to touch an alien snake thing after nearly wetting his pants at a life sign several minutes before ......Space Jesus 2000 years ago may be why the engineers wanted us dead....... really.......Please make it stop now....... All the AVP directors must have smirked their faces off when they saw this
Finally it had the worst score of any film ive seen for a long time.........
I want to see Fox makes a sequel in the first place. We hear about a sequel after the movie then nothing for the next few years.
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
Pretty sure most of us paid to see a movie that actually tells a complete story instead of one coming up with our own stories of what we saw.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 12, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
Pretty sure most of us paid to see a movie that actually tells a complete story instead of one coming up with our own stories of what we saw.
well then you were wrong...you were so wrong because that was never what this film was advertised as...Lindelof said multiple times that this movie would create far more questions than it answered...but it did answer the big question...who was the space jockey? he was from a race of beings that seeded earth with the building blocks for human evolution...done
Quote from: TheLoon on Jun 12, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 12, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
Pretty sure most of us paid to see a movie that actually tells a complete story instead of one coming up with our own stories of what we saw.
well then you were wrong...you were so wrong because that was never what this film was advertised as...Lindelof said multiple times that this movie would create far more questions than it answered..
I wasnt wrong because i dont go around following what Damon says and im pretty sure most of the people that saw the film dont go around following what the writers of a film says. I simply go by what the trailer, commercial, and short summaries show and if this was supposed to be a Make-your-own-adventure film this should have been advertised in trailers, commercials and so on. Because if this was truly advertised fully i would havent seen it.
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.but it did answer the big question...who was the space jockey? he was from a race of beings that seeded earth with the building blocks for human evolution...done
What does a question about another movie have to do with wanting a complete competent story in another?
I'd like to see a better edited longer story, following a single thread. Errrmm......And no dunce cap alien.
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
Unless you're trolling, this is the most ridiculous thing to have ever been said.
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
Oh lordy lordy. ::)
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
+1
Maybe Prometheus poses all of the questions and Prometheus 2 answers some of them... here's hoping anyways.
SPOILERS
What do I want?
1) New writer
2) A plot I CARE about
3) Characters I can care about, not 2D archetypes & redshirts
Quote from: SupremeBeing on Jun 12, 2012, 09:02:24 PM
Im not bothered about a sequel for the main reason that prometheus was utter garbage. Ive spent days scratching about on the internet trying to make sense of it and people have put some great theories out there but is this what we want from a film? People guessing at what its supposed to be about?
There's quite a few movies that fit that criteria, yet many people champion them. Go figure.
What I want is scope. The best thing for me in Prometheus was the worldbuilding. More of that, please.
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
I agree somewhat with this statement. By no means am I saying that Prometheus was problem free because it wasn't. I have read some posts on here and other various forums that I frequently go to where a lot of negative criticism is from people who just didn't pay close enough attention to the movie. Of course things being left unanswered doesn't always mean it is a good movie, but in this case, in my opinion, it works okay for Prometheus. The first time I saw Prometheus, I was in the middle, but leaning more towards to the fact that I just didn't like it. During my second viewing with my friends who haven't seen it, I started to like the movie more. I caught some things that I didn't catch the first time around (second viewing was better since it was on a weekday afternoon, so less people). I mean, there are people out there who prefer a movie that just straight up gives you answers or hand feeds you it. I think if Prometheus' script and execution was better, the movie ending with lingering questions would work out fine.
More on the jockies, motivations culture weaponary reasons for making the alien (which is clearly one of their many weapons), and if possible at least a cameo of a Xenomorph, preferably killing this new Engineer alien at the end of the film and reminding us whos boss
Quote from: Truise on Jun 12, 2012, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Jun 12, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
Not sure I agree with the Originality part. I thought a big reason why people wasn't fond of it was because it wasn't an Alien movie with the same creatures.
I see it the other way around. Most people i know would have liked to go further in the direction it seems to be going.
I, for one, am tired of Alien's.
then why are you here?
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
It's still applicable regardless of how lazy the reviewer was in his or her word choice, lol.
well i would love to see what happens with that alien thing at the very end....
I don't understand all the hating on the dialogue :-\ Neither me, nor my wife felt at any point that the dialogue was "bad." Even Vickers' you'll die down there quote worked much better when you see the full scene.
I thought the worst parts of the dialogue were:
"You can pay me on the other side...''
"Father"!"
... and several Holloway points.
Screenplay was worse than dialogue- pacing, and plot issues (eg- SJ attacks Shaw with no helmet, why did he take his helmet off when he had to walk in the atmosphere outside to get to her, after putting it on ?!)
Why would we want a sequel to a film that asks such empty questions? This is the laziest, most neglectful and pretentious movie that I have ever seen. Even Alien 3 had more substance!
Quote from: amazing_prometheus on Jun 13, 2012, 05:50:55 AM
I thought the worst parts of the dialogue were:
"You can pay me on the other side...''
"Father"!"
... and several Holloway points.
Screenplay was worse than dialogue- pacing, and plot issues (eg- SJ attacks Shaw with no helmet, why did he take his helmet off when he had to walk in the atmosphere outside to get to her, after putting it on ?!)
For all you know, his helmet could have been damaged in the crash.
Nice article.
Quote from: G8RSG1 on Jun 13, 2012, 06:57:38 AM
Quote from: amazing_prometheus on Jun 13, 2012, 05:50:55 AM
I thought the worst parts of the dialogue were:
"You can pay me on the other side...''
"Father"!"
... and several Holloway points.
Screenplay was worse than dialogue- pacing, and plot issues (eg- SJ attacks Shaw with no helmet, why did he take his helmet off when he had to walk in the atmosphere outside to get to her, after putting it on ?!)
For all you know, his helmet could have been damaged in the crash.
The plot issue is HOW could he survive in the atmosphere without his helmet, when the screenplay has already established that engineers and humans need them!
@ Darkness...
Thanks for the mention!
I love the article and agree with it totally.
@G8RSG1...
The issue I believe he is pointing out is that the helmets were needed to survive in the moon's atmosphere! The film makes reference to this earlier. So it's a plot issue/ continuity issue for sure.
All- this is not being lazy... it's just a deficiency in the screenplay as far as I am concerned.
:-(
Quote from: amazing_prometheus on Jun 13, 2012, 09:42:37 AMThe issue I believe he is pointing out is that the helmets were needed to survive in the moon's atmosphere! The film makes reference to this earlier.
Yes, when Ford says it would be like sucking on a tail pipe. That doesn't mean that the Engineers needed helmets to survive - the reason for the Engineer's helmet is never properly established.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jun 13, 2012, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: amazing_prometheus on Jun 13, 2012, 09:42:37 AMThe issue I believe he is pointing out is that the helmets were needed to survive in the moon's atmosphere! The film makes reference to this earlier.
Yes, when Ford says it would be like sucking on a tail pipe. That doesn't mean that the Engineers needed helmets to survive - the reason for the Engineer's helmet is never properly established.
Like you, I never got the explicit impression that the Engineers needed their helmets to survive the atmosphere. If anything, I felt that the helmet might be more of an interface with the starmap/navigation 'cannon'. But if I've missed anything, I'm all ears!
Personally i would love to see an all out war of "Humans vs Engineers" that would be cool, complete with bioweapons usage.......
Not aliens exactly but i would love to see what kind of "out of this wourld" weaponry the engineers have and use. How about a weapon that when it hits its target it instantly transforms them into some sort of biowepoan to be used against others.......
That would be awsome.......
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
lol most ignorant comment ever! Try watching a movie without any plot holes, say for example The Deer Hunter or Shawshank Redemption or One Flew Over the Cukoos Nest or Carlitos' Way, and then tell me Promethus just takes "a little imagination."
I cant see there being any demand for a sequel in all honesty. It's all just too uninteresting and the mystery that surrounded Alien is no more :(
I expected an all out Giger fest and we got over CGI'd angry bald guys, giant squids and the dumbest set of characters since AVP Requiem. Was not impressed.
Prometheus is so poor and has had so much bad press Ridley would be wise to forget the sequel and focus on making Blade Runner 2 a half descent film. He needs to redeem himself. BIG TIME!
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 12, 2012, 09:11:40 PM
I want to see Fox makes a sequel in the first place. We hear about a sequel after the movie then nothing for the next few years.
Ha so true.
If the Engineers could be standing around without a helmet at the moment life began on Earth, then they could walk around LV-223 without a problem.
What if the atmosphere is not only getting in, but also coming out of the temple once the ampule room is opened? When exactly did they notice they could breathe in the temple. What is the temple doing pumping air, I mean obviously it's for the Engineers to breathe, but maybe they were affecting the atmosphere in the first place. Weyland figured it out with a similar design. Could these be ancient atmospheric processors? I think what results from them opening the door wasn't a trap...
It all goes wrong because of the battle the Engineers were engaged in and how they suddenly sealed off the door, decapitating the one Engineer, causing the improper shutdown. leaving the atmosphere outside only partially converted. It was reacting to the change in atmosphere but mainly the sudden presence of oxygen in that chamber. I think this was a chamber that's part of the system and intended to alter the atmosphere, but the way they left the temple partially running, & pumping out oxygen affected this chamber when it was finally opened. The sudden change from outside, now that the planet has returned to it's normal atmosphere, caused the sudden degradation. It wouldn't be a problem if the thing had been shut down before being sealed off, or if there was no oxygen present in the rest of the temple to rush in. Also causes the sudden restart of the ancient atmospheric processor when the doors opened, which could be powered by one form of the life altering substance.
So, the actual atmosphere outside begins to change.. which was in the process of being converted for use by the Engineers, and is now partially being processed again. However it all malfunctions at first, because the air outside has returned to normal over the 2000 years. The weather picks up and this causes Janek to warn them of a sudden, huge storm approaching. The humans/engineers can breathe in the temple, and I think David messed everything up, made things degrade because of the state the Engineers left the facility in. But he also made it so the air outside started being converted again. So does it generate oxygen and atmosphere, possibly even the first stages of plant life to make the planet habitable by way of some form of the magic goo in a more controlled form? I guess what I'm saying is does this thing mine/convert the toxins in the air into something they can breathe or use if concentrated and mixed as a weapon? Sort of a parallel to what the flamethrower does to produce fire.
Quote from: fiveways on Jun 12, 2012, 07:36:55 PM
I want less Shaw. Naomi Rapace just doesn't do it for me. David was shockingly awesome.
I also want less "Alien". More new stuff.
Also, a better score.
Keep your fingers crossed that may happen for the sequel :).
Curious how so many Prometheus haters think it's the worse movie that's ever made. Or the fact that they can't stand the fact that quite a few alien fans (actually make that the majority) think it's actually an alright (if not great movie).
It's hilarious how they get so offended if someone actually thought Prometheus was a decent flick. I think they are so wrapped up what they want out of an alien movie that they totally ignore any good things about Prometheus (and there are some good ideas in the movie). No, keep repeating that you think the movie sucks does not make your comment any more credible than mine.
Quote from: MrT on Jun 13, 2012, 03:06:58 PM
I cant see there being any demand for a sequel in all honesty. It's all just too uninteresting and the mystery that surrounded Alien is no more :(
I expected an all out Giger fest and we got over CGI'd angry bald guys, giant squids and the dumbest set of characters since AVP Requiem. Was not impressed.
Prometheus is so poor and has had so much bad press Ridley would be wise to forget the sequel and focus on making Blade Runner 2 a half descent film. He needs to redeem himself. BIG TIME!
Hate to break this to you, but just because you think the movie is bad does not mean the rest of the world agrees with you. What counts is the box office and whether enough of the audience likes it. So far on both counts it is favourable to a sequel.
Just because Prometheus does not match your expectation of what an alien movie is about does not make it a bad movie.
'Bad' is not a good descriptive term for Prometheus- because it clearly has strong points that will appeal to some people.
A better term is 'flawed' - we're all aware of those flaws, but they bother some people more than others.
It worries me that people get so aggro when someone either thinks its amazing or thinks its terrible- its a movie! Not everyone will love it but one cannot find it objectively good or objectively bad.
Please learn to appreciate other peoples views people, even
if you don't agree with them.
I thought Prometheus was deficient in many parts, but that doesn't make me stupider or cleverer than someone who thought it was utterly brilliant. I am glad some people got so much out of the film.
I'd like to see a sequel where Shaw realizes she's carrying the "raw material" that was used for the bio weapons, the xenomorphs, on the ship as well as one last Engineer. They awake, chaos ensues, Shaw dies, a repaired David is almost destroyed, and his last act is to send out a warning to all who may pass, on the Engineer's frequency as the ship crash lands on a nearby planet. Guess which planet?
I'm not interested in the sequel at all. As far as I'm concerned Prometheus exists in a different dimension than Alien and has as much merit as any one of the spinoff comics that dealt with the space jockeys and the alien origin. Why? Because I will never be able to watch any of the Alien movies again if I am to assume that the dude in the chair that introduced us to the facehuggers is a humanoid alien whose genes fathered the human race...it just doesn't fit with the mystery of the original(s) and brings it all far too close to home to have happened in a space where "no one can hear you scream". Its interesting to see now though, 'cause I think I get why no one pursued the story of the space jockey in the Alien sequels-'cause they realized they didn't want to know his story, that it wouldn't have worked with the underlying themes of mystery and isolation already present in the original. If space is really as vast and hopelessly uncharted as we experienced it to be in Alien, there will always be things we don't understand or know about happening in it. You can not explain something unexplained, you must instead create something new as an addition to that world and instead explain that. Alien Engineers would have been an interesting addition to space, just not fused with the character of the space jockey. Just my two cents.
All those discussion don't matter until we have seen the real movie.
The extended cut that will be released in fall or next year.
THEN we will be able to really judge the movie.
Hate to break this to you, but just because you think the movie is bad does not mean the rest of the world agrees with you. What counts is the box office and whether enough of the audience likes it. So far on both counts it is favourable to a sequel.
Just because Prometheus does not match your expectation of what an alien movie is about does not make it a bad movie.
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Its not that it didn't match MY expectations. It's more the fact it is a sloppy piece of movie making. It is a bad movie. Accept that fact and that I have a right to my own opinion.
A sequel to a prequel?
at this point it's just a matter of will Ridley want to make a sequel or give it to someone else.
these days hollywood is surviving on remakes, sequels and prequels.
i mean, AVP got a sequel. i'm confident we'll see one or more Prometheus sequels
Quote from: VickersAsh on Jun 13, 2012, 09:10:19 PM
at this point it's just a matter of will Ridley want to make a sequel or give it to someone else.
these days hollywood is surviving on remakes, sequels and prequels.
i mean, AVP got a sequel. i'm confident we'll see one or more Prometheus sequels
Ridley's repeatedly expressed a desire to helm a sequel. If the numbers support it (and it's looking like they do), I'd bet we'll get one.
Quote from: B1-66ER on Jun 13, 2012, 07:24:56 PM
I'm not interested in the sequel at all. As far as I'm concerned Prometheus exists in a different dimension than Alien and has as much merit as any one of the spinoff comics that dealt with the space jockeys and the alien origin. Why? Because I will never be able to watch any of the Alien movies again if I am to assume that the dude in the chair that introduced us to the facehuggers is a humanoid alien whose genes fathered the human race...it just doesn't fit with the mystery of the original(s) and brings it all far too close to home to have happened in a space where "no one can hear you scream". Its interesting to see now though, 'cause I think I get why no one pursued the story of the space jockey in the Alien sequels-'cause they realized they didn't want to know his story, that it wouldn't have worked with the underlying themes of mystery and isolation already present in the original. If space is really as vast and hopelessly uncharted as we experienced it to be in Alien, there will always be things we don't understand or know about happening in it. You can not explain something unexplained, you must instead create something new as an addition to that world and instead explain that. Alien Engineers would have been an interesting addition to space, just not fused with the character of the space jockey. Just my two cents.
You can blame AVP and to a lesser extent...Aliens, Alien 3 and Resurrection. It made the Alien not scary any more. The series had to be expanded in a different way. This left only the Space Jockies as the last alternative (adding any more sentient alien races would just end up ridiculous. It needs to stay just Humans, Xenos (and their relatives) and Jockies.
This (the cinematic cut) is the cut that Ridley wanted by all accounts.
I would like to see the extended cut - in 3D- in cinemas.
I hope they don't make another sequel for another 4 or so years. At least the same amount of time Aliens came after Alien was released.
I think the Avatar series is going to be shite simply because they are trying to release so much garbage based on the one movie so quickly. Bet you if they release a Prometheus sequal this quickly it will be about Shaw heading back to the planet just moments after leaving and realizing they must kill the new born thing and that will be that only to find there are hundreds of them spawning. Thats the James Cameron route. They'll just have to spend a 200 mill to make hundreds of silly costumes of the new born and stupid ass marines show up all of a sudden with their egos inflated whom are all going to die.
There is a rumour that maybe the sequel is already made, back-2-back with Prometheus! Seems a stretch! :-O
Quote from: amazing_prometheus on Jun 14, 2012, 05:32:41 AM
There is a rumour that maybe the sequel is already made, back-2-back with Prometheus! Seems a stretch! :-O
Unlikely. The first movie was a big enough risk, I doubt the studio would bankroll a second before seeing how the first fares.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jun 14, 2012, 05:53:43 AM
Quote from: amazing_prometheus on Jun 14, 2012, 05:32:41 AM
There is a rumour that maybe the sequel is already made, back-2-back with Prometheus! Seems a stretch! :-O
Unlikely. The first movie was a big enough risk, I doubt the studio would bankroll a second before seeing how the first fares.
Agreed! Would be too much risk and FOX the company would be risk averse.
Great article I like this guy.
Engineers are stars! I want more of then and LESS PLOT HOLES!
"Its not that it didn't match MY expectations. It's more the fact it is a sloppy piece of movie making. It is a bad movie. Accept that fact and that I have a right to my own opinion."
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. What I was questioning was your logic. You said you can't see any demand for a sequel. You state that based solely on your own negative impression of the movie. But whether a sequel will be made isn't based on your own opinion. It is based on the box office and whether enough audience likes it. As I said, on both counts things are looking favorable to a sequel (although I agree it's highly unlikely Fox has already made a sequel).
Also MrT, your review IS very much based on your expectation. You said you expected a Giger fest not angry bald guys (see your own post 37). That is your expectation of the movie. Don't deny it.
Again, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, negative or positive. But don't deny you were upset with the film because it didn't meet your expectation. There is no shame in admitting that.
Quote from: tines28 on Jun 13, 2012, 09:09:16 PM
A sequel to a prequel?
Yeah, thats completely stupid idea, imagine if original starwars had prequel with sequel.... OH WAIT!
Wowsers the fighting amongst lovers and haters continues!
Why can't we all just get along in perfect harmony?!
Perhaps the sequel could be FANBOYS VS HATEBOYS... Dum dum dum! Haha :P
Anyways the writer- the WhatCulture dude- who wrote this has a page with several articles on here:
http://wp.me/2tPJ3 (http://wp.me/2tPJ3)
I sent him a mail via his twitter account (@BenjiTaylorWins) and he said he is seeing Prometheus for the 3rd time this week then posting an article on 'Prometheus answers' and 'Prometheus and myth': it looks like he is some kind of literature and mythology buff so I expect them to be interesting!
Anyway definitely worth checking out his artlces, I loved this one on the sequel!
AND REMEMBER you people- be lovers, not fighters! Opinions are like bum-holes, everyone has and needs one! 8)
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 13, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: B1-66ER on Jun 13, 2012, 07:24:56 PM
I'm not interested in the sequel at all. As far as I'm concerned Prometheus exists in a different dimension than Alien and has as much merit as any one of the spinoff comics that dealt with the space jockeys and the alien origin. Why? Because I will never be able to watch any of the Alien movies again if I am to assume that the dude in the chair that introduced us to the facehuggers is a humanoid alien whose genes fathered the human race...it just doesn't fit with the mystery of the original(s) and brings it all far too close to home to have happened in a space where "no one can hear you scream". Its interesting to see now though, 'cause I think I get why no one pursued the story of the space jockey in the Alien sequels-'cause they realized they didn't want to know his story, that it wouldn't have worked with the underlying themes of mystery and isolation already present in the original. If space is really as vast and hopelessly uncharted as we experienced it to be in Alien, there will always be things we don't understand or know about happening in it. You can not explain something unexplained, you must instead create something new as an addition to that world and instead explain that. Alien Engineers would have been an interesting addition to space, just not fused with the character of the space jockey. Just my two cents.
You can blame AVP and to a lesser extent...Aliens, Alien 3 and Resurrection. It made the Alien not scary any more. The series had to be expanded in a different way. This left only the Space Jockies as the last alternative (adding any more sentient alien races would just end up ridiculous. It needs to stay just Humans, Xenos (and their relatives) and Jockies.
I hear you but I don't blame any of those movies you listed above. I found the development of the alien throughout the series to be quite good and thoroughly enjoyed the visual representations of the Alien as it evolved with the technology of filmmaking. There may be elements of the sequels and AvP that suck but the Alien kicks ass in all of them. I do not agree with Scott's statement that the Alien isn't scary anymore Disneyland ride or no Disneyland ride 'cause something that plants an embryo in your chest that hatches as an evil version of your DNA will always be scary. Your statement "(adding any more sentient alien races would just end up ridiculous.)" is pretty much what happened anyways. Albino Weight lifter Engineers is pretty damn rediculous, I'm just saying that if you're gonna do stuff like that, try not to rape the original materiel in the process-which I think they came close to avoiding actually, closer than AvP without a doubt...everything except the spacejockey as a suit existed independent of the original Alien.
Albino muscle pushers?
I kind of liked the albino muscle boys. That's what the sequel is going to be about, I assure you.
Engineers.
Quote from: therealdavid8 on Jun 14, 2012, 02:01:59 PM
http://wp.me/2tPJ3 (http://wp.me/2tPJ3)
I sent him a mail via his twitter account (@BenjiTaylorWins) and he said he is seeing Prometheus for the 3rd time this week then posting an article on 'Prometheus answers' and 'Prometheus and myth': it looks like he is some kind of literature and mythology buff so I expect them to be interesting!
Anyway definitely worth checking out his artlces, I loved this one on the sequel!
AND REMEMBER you people- be lovers, not fighters! Opinions are like bum-holes, everyone has and needs one! 8)
FUNNY! More articles are coming- great news! :-)
Is it only me who thinks that we should get director Peter Jackson on board for the sequel?
No on the sequel.
The first word that came to mind when I walked out of the theater was "disapointing". I saw the same look on people who walked out of the previous showing while in line. It was a complete dud. I'm sure the 20-year olds who trampled over one another to see the silly "Battleship" and "Transformer" movies loved it, but not me. It was a complete waste of energy and technical expertise. It never connected emotionally -- and what could anybody expect, since Lindelof wrote the story in 2 WEEKS. That's the problem with all these inferior movies nowadays. Too much emphasis on CGI and mindless action and not enough time spent on story, plot and character development. If you don't connect the audience emotionally, you fail. It's that simple.
The movie left way to many unanswered questions. Including: Why did these "Engineers" hate the humans they supposedly created? And how was Shaw going to survive on an alien spacecraft with no food or water? Also, how did the alien ship take off with no apparent propulsion equipment or fuel stores, and why didn't it break apart when it crashed on the planet? The blastoff of the ship sadly resembled the same scenes in the endings of the last "Indiana Jones" and first "X-Files" movies. They can do better. They're were also many biological problems with the story. Like the co-joining of alien DNA with human DNA, as well as the accellerating macro-evolution of the new species. Those scenes of the pregnancy we're copied from the old 1980's TV series "V", where one of the visitors had sex with a human girl. How pathetic.
I will never add this to my collection of over 2000 films in my library, nor do I ever desire seeing it again -- just like "Alien Resurrection".
Overall, the production design was excellent as is usually the case, but the story was unsuspensful and lame. I gave the movie a "GENEROUS" B-. It was pretty bad for a high concept (epic) production.
Please don't make a sequel. "Prometheus" and "Super 8" were too much for me.
hahaha!!! super 8 was bad.
burn on you.
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Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 12, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 12, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
'Plothole' is a term used as a crutch by the lazy of mind and those with no imagination.
Pretty sure most of us paid to see a movie that actually tells a complete story instead of one coming up with our own stories of what we saw.
when people ask me how I reacted to that horror movie called Prometheus I casually look at them and say "ho-rror movie?"
while sticking a few syringes in my mouth.
"i was too busy thinking about how the intergalactic politics in star-wars work in this movie while sticking syringes in my mouth."
Prometheus was not thaaaaat bad...