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Take into account that Aliens have razor sharp teeth, claws, speared tail, acid blood, they can walk on walls, jump and leap far and are very fast!

But, Predators are very strong, can withstand a lot of damage, very intelligent, excellent stealth, can perform surgery on itself, fast, good jumpers and leapers, have no fear and would rather die than accept defeat.

Then there is the common Marine smart, well armored, tracking devices, quick thinking, well trained and hopefully smart enough to figure out that without weapons the Predator is no threat the him.

I think we all know who's NOT going to win this one *cough*marines*cough*  :D

"The perfect organism".

"I admire its purity"

"nothing in this world could have survive at that close range."

Quote from: reptileboa on Jan 28, 2007, 01:26:07 AM
But, Predators are very strong, can withstand a lot of damage, very intelligent, excellent stealth, can perform surgery on itself, fast, good jumpers and leapers, have no fear and would rather die than accept defeat.

Predators are indeed stronger-- thus they can hit harder and sometimes can kill a human by detatching their brain stem by punching them with very little strength.

Predators have my vote...

"If he dies... he dies..."

-Rakai'Thwei

Well if I had to choose, I'd say the Predator would win since he is still a bit stronger than the aliens and the marine.

how about I would win ? I did kill an alien with just my wrist blades  ;D

I killed an alien with a stick, two rocks, and a piano wire :)

lol, I killed him with a rubber band, some chewing gum and loose peice of thread, made a homemade wrist launcher out of that. call me the MacGuvyer Predator  ;D

That would be a sweet movie. Macgyver vs Predator.
"Whoever can make a rocket launcher out of a potato gun, ketchup, and a tubesock wins"

lol, no I got it MacGuvyer vs Martha Stewart, she's out from prison with a few days to kill and make you a nice and thoughtful watermelon hat.

Gah, the one animal I fear more than an Alien

The Martha Stewart is the most dangerous of species, a battle wheres a Predator trains his entire life for, one false move and you have to watch her show for eternity.  ;D

The Alien would win, IMO. ;D

I still say I would win.  :D

If the predator is experienced enough, he could defeat anybody. Even a marine and an alien.

like Broken Tusk for example  ;D

and some notable mentions the Pred from CJ and the Preds from the AVP and AVP 2 games.

Alien

The alien would win - after all, in the AVP movie, grid alien managed to kill two armed preds in about 5 minutes!! Which wasn't very good in my opinion...

^ true, but Celtic and Chopper aren't good examples of what the Predators are capable of.

I think the Predator would win in a one-on-one, but if there're a bunch of Aliens, and it's their environment, forget it. At least that's what I hope for - the aliens are just so much cooler than the predator.

in my opinion the predator would win as it has more strength and has a variety of weapons to kill aliens with and it can take alot of damage

The deciding factor here in my opinion would be the experience level of the predator. An unblood or young blood wouldn't stand much of a chance in hand to hand combat with an alien, although an elder or higher ranking hunter would more than likely walk away the victor. The marine on the other hand obviously wouldn't stand any chance of physically besting either creature, so there would be almost no hope for them. As far as the fight between the alien & the pred, it could quite easily go either way. The predator would more than likely be a better overall fighter & even more powerful, while the alien would use its own natural weapons to its advantage.

Alien.

In less than 20 seconds.

Firstly, we do NOT know weather an Adult Alien or Predator is stronger. We have never seen them go side by side at a powerlifting meet.

Hand to hand, the marine, even a UFC fighter, while tough by human standards, is still just a human. You could take a huge 6'7" 330 pounds of muscle human, a WSM competitor/winner like Magnus Samuelsson, train him with the best fighter UFC coaches on earth for 5 years straight, and he would still get killed by a Lion in combat unarmed and hand to hand. Even the strongest and toughest humans, are still human.

Both the Predator and Alien have been shown to be exceptionally strong. The aliens have been observed doing such feats as punching through solid steel, and the Alien has enough strength to lift a Pred with its tail.

The Predators can lift a human off the ground like he weighs nothing, and jump 25 feet vertically from a static position.

Predators are about 7'6" and 400 pounds on average, and all muscle too. They would also be, most likely, comparatively much stronger and more agile than would a human of equal size and build.

The Alien is hands down more flexible and agile.

The Alien has much harder skin.

The Alien has acid blood.

The Predator "may" have a slight strength advantage.

Completely unarmed, I would say the Alien would win at least 80% of the time. It just has too many natural weapons to fight bare handed and have a high success rate.

With hand to hand weapons available, but no projectile weapons, I would put the advantage to a skilled hunter at least 80% of the time. With a blade a skilled hunter can avoid acid splash decently, and can cut an alien with enough speed to kill it in one attack.

There is no Proof that an Elder Predator is physically stronger than a younger Pred, more experienced with a melee weapon for sure, but still at a disadvantage completely unarmed.

I would not say that the Pred is guaranteed to loose, just it only has about a 20% chance of winning with its bare hands.

Now all of this is also dependant on the type of alien, or rather the host type. All of the above is assuming it is a normal adult alien, with a human host.

We have not yet seen for sure what a Pred-Alien will be like. We know it is still an Alien (or damn well should be), and it may be as strong physically to a Predator as a human hosted Alien is proportionately to us.

If that is the case a Pred-Alien (Alien who had a Predator for a host, not some mutant) would not be an option in barehanded combat any more than an Alien born of us is for us to take on barehanded.

I would have to say the Alien because given the natural physical feats the alien already possess it has an advantage in a no weapon fight. The predator may have smarts and physical stamina but that can only go so far, depending on the environment. The marine will probally not last that long, but there's always hope.

QuoteI would not say that the Pred is guaranteed to loose, just it only has about a 20% chance of winning with its bare hands.

20 times out of 100 is pretty good odds for a lifeform with no natural weaponry.  How could a Predator possibly beat an Alien hand to hand with no weapons?

there's always the chance of outsmarting the alien.

How?  Drop a log on them?

or you could trick it to fall into a pit of boiling copper, and then drop cold water on it ;D 

but I wouldn't count out the Preds in hand to hand, though not as dangerous as the Alien's natural weapons, if the Pred hit the key weaknesses, then we would have a dead alien. The chances of an expert in it's field rather then the 3 novices we witness to, has a much greater chance of survival.

Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2007, 11:49:17 PM

QuoteI would not say that the Pred is guaranteed to loose, just it only has about a 20% chance of winning with its bare hands.

20 times out of 100 is pretty good odds for a lifeform with no natural weaponry.  How could a Predator possibly beat an Alien hand to hand with no weapons?

I realize those are good odds.

I was trying to be fair. It could easily be 1 out of 100 times in favor of the Alien.

As for what a no weapons Pred could do?

Pull the Alien's head off of its neck or break it's neck. That is about it.

Be damn careful too because acid will be everywhere.

Keep in mind the Alien is also strong enough to pull off a Predators head as well.

20 out of 80 was just an educated guess, but from a physical standpoint alone, the Alien has a lot more.

Quote from: BrokenTusk on Mar 06, 2007, 03:12:30 AM
or you could trick it to fall into a pit of boiling copper, and then drop cold water on it ;D 

but I wouldn't count out the Preds in hand to hand, though not as dangerous as the Alien's natural weapons, if the Pred hit the key weaknesses, then we would have a dead alien. The chances of an expert in it's field rather then the 3 novices we witness to, has a much greater chance of survival.

That is using weapons.

What vulnerable points?

That was going to be my next question.

You could argue they have a soft spot at the side of their head - but it still took half a dozen bullets point blank and a few minutes thrashing around before it actually died.

QuotePull the Alien's head off of its neck or break it's neck. That is about it.

Can't even see this happening one time in a hundred.  Nay - ever.

Quoteor you could trick it to fall into a pit of boiling copper, and then drop cold water on it

heh...  ;D

But as you said - that isn't hand to hand combat.

that's just it there can always be a potential weapon lying around, watch the Bourne Identity to know what I mean.  ;D

the neck and the head, or suppose the Pred pulls out the tail then shoves it into the drone's chest...

That I will grant you, is a possiblity, however small.

He'd have to get past the claws and teeth of course - one of the dumber bits of AvP was when Lex magically didn't get torn to shreds when she speared the Alien.

Or an acid shower.

You could argue they have a soft spot at the side of their head - but it still took half a dozen bullets point blank and a few minutes thrashing around before it actually died.


true yet a decapitation to the head stops them imediately, but that's back to weapons. head I suppose is pretty much the only weakness we know of.


Can't even see this happening one time in a hundred.  Nay - ever.

well the alien's head is already built like a large knob, it shouldn't be hard to twist and turn.  ;D


heh...  Grin

But as you said - that isn't hand to hand combat.

no that's just clever thinking. to be the master of defense, you shouldn't be in the place that is attacked.

a human has to use it's natural strength, intelligence.

Quote from: BrokenTusk on Mar 06, 2007, 03:37:27 AM

a human has to use it's natural strength, intelligence.

True, humans rely on our intelligence to survive. part of that would be to use a projectile weapon, or at least a melee weapon if no projectile ones are there.

BUT hand to hand in this case, has LITTLE to do with smarts, and I doubt if you were fighting a pissed off Tiger that you would be able to "out smart him".

what if it was Bruce Lee who fights a tiger ?  ;D

I say maybe 2 or 3 percent of humans have a chance at survival. there is always the x factor as well, where things don't always happen the same way. 

Quote from: BrokenTusk on Mar 06, 2007, 10:09:33 PM
what if it was Bruce Lee who fights a tiger ?  ;D

I say maybe 2 or 3 percent of humans have a chance at survival. there is always the x factor as well, where things don't always happen the same way. 

Sorry to Bruce, and I would never want to fight him either, but I still give the advantage to the Tiger.

There is a reason he never had a fight with a big carnivorous animal.

Besides this, the Marine, or Soldier, or whatever special forces or special opps guys you have fighting an Alien in hand to hand, and they are still screwed.

Even IF they could kill a Tiger barehanded, which is absurd in and of itself, the Tiger does not have molecular acid for blood, or an exoskeleton that requires point blank range shots on the sides of its head or light armor piercing (minimum) rounds anywhere else to injure, and is strong enough to punch through solid steel.

Even a regular human hosted alien is still very tough in a physical fight.

^ I wasn't being serious  ::)

I'm not saying a human could win in a fist fight(that's just silly), instead if the human could use his or her wits to evade the creature, then that's their only chance at survival. Otherwise no chance, now for the Predator if he's an expert in hand to hand, and having strength as a key attribute it has about perhaps a 30 percent chance of succeeding.

Celtic withstood the Alien for about 8 mins with just brute strength, even though he died a novice that's still much better then a human. Now perhaps if we had a master...... 


though it might be an absurd idea of fighting a tiger bare fisted, doesn't Mike Tyson do that for fun ?  ;D

Quotefor about 8 mins with just brute strength

Closer to 3 mins.

how about we round it to 5, I don't feel like getting my dvd to just time the fight.

I would say a predator >blooded level.....those preds will use their own strength and cunningness to kill an alien.....preds are butes, warriors, they can lift an alien off the ground with one hand by its neck without even get scratched or anything yet....majority of the fan art between avp....i mostly see preds owning with their strength against an alien..i only see queens really killing preds...lol..but preds are also beasts too....i do see monstrosity in a pred....especially if its unarmed...it will use its natural strength and cunningness and with that will obviously kill the alien by somewhat ripping the limbs off of or somethin and yea  the pred will also take some damage...he proly wont feel it till afterwards.......but strength all the way for the pred....rip an aliens limb off somehow....crush an alien skull or w.e........a lion weighs more than an alien....n i think a pred also lifted that shit up i think with 1 hand again.....i dunno.....i think....but yea any preds higher than blooded level will mostly win.......they would think of it like a tough practice challenge for them.....besides its only 1 alien.....thats too easy....preds only get owned by aliens if their overwhelmed by them.....thats a disgraceful question to experienced preds....

Quotehow about we round it to 5, I don't feel like getting my dvd to just time the fight.

I have timed it, while comparing certain sequences from the the Alien films.  It's around the 3 minute mark.

I agree with you that an experienced warrior can win the battle, but the odds are kinda stacked against him if he's unarmed.(including no wristblades) Still I believe an Elder is capable of doing this, being masters in their field.

also you can't say a drone is easy to fight with no weapons, 2 ARMED Preds died by the same one alien, also fan art is just basically fan opinion( though some of those artists are incredible).

yeah I timed it myself too, ok so 3 mins(now when I look at it the whole movie was short) without weapons, still he did put up a fight. Proves strength and aggorance will give you a quick death, say if we had a more level headed novice like Scar, I say the fight would have gone much longer, and there might be the slight chance that an unarmed Scar could win.

the only odds against an experienced unarmed pred would be a bigger alien that has more strength....but if its just a drone...than most likely that pred would still win after a tough fight....

Quotesay if we had a more level headed novice like Scar, I say the fight would have gone much longer, and there might be the slight chance that an unarmed Scar could win.

The Queen fight went for a bit longer, but not much longer and he did have some help from Lex.  And again if not for Lex he never would've made it up the tunnel.

I give him 4 minutes tops.  ;D

 :o whoa lets stick with drones here, I never said a Pred unarmed had a chance against with a queen.

that's like fighting a t-rex with filet migon and you're douse in barbeque sauce.

the closest  I ever heard a Pred winning without a Plasma caster, was pretty much Dachande, and he had a Combi-stick and died later.


as for Scar, we can assume he would last longer with a DRONE, since having the most potential out of the group.

I do not know why every one just assumes that the Predator is stronger than the Alien.

I mean absolute tensile strength of the Predator's muscles, vs. whatever is the Alien's equivalent to muscle tissue.

Regular Aliens, who had human hosts, are still strong enough to lift a Pred off the ground too, even using their tail.

Aliens are strong enough to punch through 1" thick steel like it was tinfoil.

We do not even know if the Predator is stronger, or significantly stronger than a normal Adult Alien.

I am not saying that Alien tensile strength exceeds the predator, but that in a powerlifting contest they may be Equal, or close enough to it for it to not be a factor.

Besides this, even among human fighters, brute strength alone is a piss poor weapon.

I can think of one WSM competitor who is 6'10' 350 pounds, all muscle, not one of the fat ones; this same guy won the 1995 highland games too.  He tried his hand at MMA and submitted to an arm-bar submission hold in less than 20 seconds.  
            He had no formal fight training, and was planning to win on strength alone. He learned that strength alone will not win a fight against a skilled opponent.

In the case of the Predator, we assume it is stronger, and that this alone is an advantage against the alien, who even naked is still ARMED literally to the teeth.

Quote from: BrokenTusk on Mar 08, 2007, 03:29:25 AM

the closest  I ever heard a Pred winning without a Plasma caster, was pretty much Dachande, and he had a Combi-stick and died later.

Dechande,or "cracked tusk" did not use fighting skill or brute strength, or even a weapon to kill the Queen, the Queen's head and left arm was taken off when the back door of the escape ship closed like a giant bolt cutter on her.

In a stand up fight, out in the open, he would still need to be at a distance and with a good projectile weapon.

But in the situation, I could kill a Queen Alien with an AT4.

experienced Predators are naturally stronger than drone aliens. Aliens are strong too, both species can very well pick each other up, but still pred has more strength than the normal drone in some avp comics, games, novels.....The only way to win is skill for that unarmed pred and cunningness....if it lacks those then the alien would win....

Dechande,or "cracked tusk" did not use fighting skill or brute strength, or even a weapon to kill the Queen, the Queen's head and left arm was taken off when the back door of the escape ship closed like a giant bolt cutter on her.

notice how I said "closet" to succeeding a duel with a queen, and I believe he got a hit in(combi stick) before she mortally injures him then I believe Machiko was the cause of the the escape door.

experienced Predators are naturally stronger than drone aliens

don't you mean they're more skilled and better to take out a drone ?

Quote from: BrokenTusk on Mar 08, 2007, 05:36:18 AM

Dechande,or "cracked tusk" did not use fighting skill or brute strength, or even a weapon to kill the Queen, the Queen's head and left arm was taken off when the back door of the escape ship closed like a giant bolt cutter on her.

notice how I said "closet" to succeeding a duel with a queen, and I believe he got a hit in(combi stick) before she mortally injures him then I believe Machiko was the cause of the the escape door.

experienced Predators are naturally stronger than drone aliens

don't you mean they're more skilled and better to take out a drone ?

Yeah sorry, I see that now, you said it was the "closest" thing to that.

I also do not see how more experience makes it stronger. More skilled yes, more tensile strength?

Them Predator ships are so big because they're chockablock with gym equipment.

why do you think the AVP preds were so buff ?  ;D

Either that or they roided up.

intresting theory explains why Celtic was so careless in the Grid fight, apparently he was having roid rage ;)

This post will decide my vote:

Alien Advantage:

Acidic blood (worth 2 points)
Razor Sharp Claws
Razor Sharp Tail
Power in Numbers
Can adapt easy (2 points)
Head-bite ability
Can create more of it self at the same time as geting rid of enemies
Queen can kick butt!!!!! (worth 2 points)
Wall Climb
Invisible to thermal (Worth 2 points)

14 points


Predator Advantages:

Wrist Blades
Disks/Weird Star thing from AVP
Plasmacaster (worth 2 points)
Extreme Jumping Ablilty
Medi-Kit
Combi-Stick
Wrist Bomb (Worth 2 points)
Very Ugly (worth only half because this only works on humans)
Spear Gun
Super Smart, extremely more advance than humans (Worth 2 points)

Points: 12 1/2

Marines:

Smart (worth 1 1/2 points)
Smart Gun (Worth 1 1/2 points)
Extreme Luck.....priceless

Humans win though flukes and lots of them. Why even bother with them.

Alien Disadvantge:

Basic Human bullet kills easy (-1 1/2 points)
Has no long range attacks (-2 1/2 points)
Easy to kill young chestbursters (-1 1/2 points)

-5 1/2 points deducted

Predator Disadvantages:

See only thermal (-1/2 because of Alien Vision and it's already an adavantage for Alien)
Not all weapons are acid proof
With PredAliens possiblites, not good for surviving preds (-1 1/2)

- 3



End Score :

Alien - 8 1/2

Predator - 9 1/2

Marine - Just Lucky to survive!!!!!!!

Winner......Predator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

don't you mean they're more skilled and better to take out a drone ?

Yes...thats exactly true.....and really i kinda now see an alien beating an unarmed pred 95% of the time.......I guess i saw preds as worthy hunters, but....thats only with their weapons and technology......if preds at least had their wristblades......then i would see a pred beatin ONE alien 95% of the time...........

Quote from: skuLLy on Mar 09, 2007, 02:52:53 AM
don't you mean they're more skilled and better to take out a drone ?

Yes...thats exactly true.....and really i kinda now see an alien beating an unarmed pred 95% of the time.......I guess i saw preds as worthy hunters, but....thats only with their weapons and technology......if preds at least had their wristblades......then i would see a pred beatin ONE alien 95% of the time...........

You mean like the wristblades that dissolved instantly in AVP?

if you notice the wristblades did get the cut in before it dissolve so it would be useful for one fatal blow, now if they had the acid resisant one for an experienced Pred like I dunno.....BrokenTusk for example he killed a drone with just his blades.  ;D

Quote from: BrokenTusk on Mar 09, 2007, 07:20:17 PM
if you notice the wristblades did get the cut in before it dissolve so it would be useful for one fatal blow, now if they had the acid resisant one for an experienced Pred like I dunno.....BrokenTusk for example he killed a drone with just his blades.  ;D

With acid proof blades, and the claws alone, sure I would give an experienced Pred a decent ratio.

I would then say 80% chance of victory. 20% chance of failure.

If he is inexperienced, then I would reverse that.

ditto

I can't believe some people actually think an unarmed Predator can beat an Alien. An Alien has lots of natural weapons. A Predator has none. Strength is not a natural weapon unless you're Superman. Predators are strong but they're not that strong. The Predator's only chance would be throwing the alien off a cliff and hoping it splatters on impact.

i bet a pred could pull an alien to pieces.  I mean, we saw what the celtic could do when he was swinging it into pillars.  Well celtic was just a kid.  I bet an adult could smash the alien to death like the celtic tryed to.  Have you seen the size difference between the scar and the elder.  AAnd those kid preds are like 2 feet taller than a full grown human.  I would bet anything that a grown up pred could smash an alien to death.

Extro, they are all fanboys. What do you expect ? They think that predators are omg wtf ultimate killing machine and that a single predator can beat million of aliens single handedly.
I voted for Alien.

im not a fan boy, im just guessing.  I know aliens can kill preds but preds can kill aliens to.  Im just using statistics of size and strength.

So far the aliens have the most votes.

ALIENS ROCK!!!

Quote from: reptileboa on Jan 28, 2007, 01:26:07 AM
without weapons the Predator is no threat the him.

You should know that a predator can still kill people with or without its weapons so a pred can still be a great threat to a marine without its weapons.

Im a alien fan, hehe so i would say the alien would win...
no that was a joke ;D

but all we no is, that alien and predator are equal fighter, right?

but what about a fight between a predalien and a pred?
when a pred have already nearly no chance against an alien, what would his chance be if he fights a predalien?
hehe i would say no chance for him to win, maybe 5%

When an (human-)alien is already so strong like a pred, the predalien would be as strong like superman^^

what you mean.....

Quote from: AtR on Apr 12, 2007, 08:29:44 PM
Extro, they are all fanboys. What do you expect ? They think that predators are omg wtf ultimate killing machine and that a single predator can beat million of aliens single handedly.
I voted for Alien.

First off, I don't think anybody here has claimed a predator can beat a million aliens. I'd say a dozen if armed, and possibly take out one (with a big fight) if he was lucky, and unarmed.
P.S. (OMG WTF preds are the ultimate killing machine!) ::)

Besides that... there's like a million factors that could decide a fight beside brute force, and brains. environment, what lead to the fight, prior injuries, furstration of losing a comrade. Millions of things can decide the outcome of a fight. ;D

IMO... I believe the Predator would win.  It's strong, Fast and can throw an alien through a brick wall (AVP).  The only chance the Marine would have is to run away.  Remember when the Italian punched Celtic in the stomach...Celtic picked him up with one arm and was just choking the hell out of him.  ;D

matters what host

The Marine could hide, but between an Alien and a Predator he or she would have to be on the run the whole time. It's doubtful he or she could pull a Dutch with guerilla tactics. The Predator is incredibly sturdy and swift, but I personally don't think that even his stealthy ways of hunting and kiling would avail. To me, the Alien would win. Even if it's through default after killing the Marine due to an acid bath, the Alien's body is that of one unimaginably lethal capacities. The Predator would presumably have trouble seeing it without a mask, and the Marine would just be screwed unless he could find a slim chance method of killing it from afar or burning it.

The only time I would lean towards the Predator in an unarmed state is if the Alien in question was only a chestburster. Every other canon Alien state has a high chance of killing him outright if he's not armored or using mid-to-long range weaponry.

I think the Predator would find away.

If a Predator is unarmed my guess is its going down because Aliens never have weapons and there very close when the Predator has weapons, way I see it.

Armed Predator>Alien - most of the time
Unarmed Predator<Alien - very unlikely for the Predator to win

My vote goes to the Alien.

PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the Preds are supremely dangerous even unarmed..they're just that wily, vicious, strong and tough.  I figure they probably evolved from a naturally dangerous, aggressive  creature before they invented their technology anyway.  I also look at the films and they show that the Pred likes to get into close quarters a lot so it's not as if he's merely a long-range assassin.  I can see the Pred manhandling the Xeno to be honest with you.  So, while stripping the Predator of his tech would definitely narrow the gap between the two species, I would put my money on the Predator most of the time, but it would be exceptionally dangerous and if the encounter was played out 10 times I'm sure the Alien would win some of the time.

Quote from: holdtheline on Sep 26, 2007, 03:31:34 AM
I think the Preds are supremely dangerous even unarmed..they're just that wily, vicious, strong and tough.  I figure they probably evolved from a naturally dangerous, aggressive  creature before they invented their technology anyway.  I also look at the films and they show that the Pred likes to get into close quarters a lot so it's not as if he's merely a long-range assassin.  I can see the Pred manhandling the Xeno to be honest with you.  So, while stripping the Predator of his tech would definitely narrow the gap between the two species, I would put my money on the Predator most of the time, but it would be exceptionally dangerous and if the encounter was played out 10 times I'm sure the Alien would win some of the time.

shortend version: PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think predator will win

yes they would  ::)

i think that a alien could only kill a pred in a 1 on 1 fight if paul anderson was the ref.