Box Office Takings for The Predator

Started by Tetsujin, Jul 20, 2018, 05:00:59 PM

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Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#465
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Childish response. I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.

It was actually meant as sarcasm, but gotcha. To be 100% honest, in all fairness, the point you just made above, I got. It was 100% Crystal Clear!  But re-reading the previous comments, it's not that clear to be honest.

And to your point. I disagree. I've seen franchise have incredible sustainability without quality directors and actors like the Halloween franchise, Friday the 13th, Childs Play, AvP  ;D ,Transformers, Resident Evil, and so on and so on. But I do hope in the future, there will be better talent behind the Predator franchise.


The Old One

The Old One

#466
Out of curiosity.

How would you feel about Predator becoming a true slasher franchise with a new low-budget entry every couple years?

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 03:24:44 PM
Out of curiosity.

How would you feel about Predator becoming a true slasher franchise with a new low-budget entry every couple years?

I think I could get behind it personally. Sure I would love a big-budget scifi extravaganza, but I'm not certain Predator could support that long term. Plus low-budget production houses like Blumhouse have produced some real quality output imo.

The Old One

The Old One

#468
Fair enough.

Johnny Handsome

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 15, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
QuoteThen Predator is finished

I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting us know. No reason to be here now. I'll delete my account.  ::)

Childish response. I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.
I.. what? I was making the point that stars matter, hence my post about leading guys like Statham etc., please read before responding.

Directors? Not so much, as is showing basically with every big Hollywood Blockbuster doing a billion directed by guys no one heard about, and that's a fact. Infinity War and Jurassic World just being two of them, this year.

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#470
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Directors? Not so much, as is showing basically with every big Hollywood Blockbuster doing a billion directed by guys no one heard about, and that's a fact. Infinity War and Jurassic World just being two of them, this year.

True, Marvel pulled the Russo Bros from directing episodes of the "Community" sitcom and turned them into A-List directors!  Winter Soldier? Civil War? Infinity War? Wow!  Marvel tapped Scott Derrickson from blumhouse for Dr. Strange (after seeing his cheap but wonderful "Sinister"). Hardly anyone knew or cared for James Gunn before "Guardians of the Galaxy". The list goes on, and that's just Marvel!

No big director names needed. Plenty of cheap carbon out there capable of becoming diamonds. The key certainly is recognizing talent that fits the right situation.

The Old One

The Old One

#471
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.

The point is- accomplished Directors/Writers > recognizable actors.
The franchise requires the former- but not necessarily the latter. 

Ridley Scott's work before The Duelists? Excellent beforehand.

The Predator's failure, is the script/concept foremost, not the stars.

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#472
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 04:36:06 PM
The Russo Bros' work, good beforehand.

Russos sitcom work was definitely mixed. Their only two feature films were "Welcome to Collinwood" and "You, Me & Depree", and both were Rotten Tomatoes and not worth your time imo.

QuoteJames Gunn's work, good beforehand.
"Super"?  Nope. "Movie 43"?  Heck no!  Rotten, rotten tomatoes. "Slither" I think critics liked (even though I didn't) but it was older than his bad movies, years older, so it wasn't like he just came off of that directly into GotG.

Your memory seems to be much kinder to these directors than what they produced I'm afraid.  It's a great quality to have though!  Sometimes with directors it's just finding the right fit!  That's how the same director can direct Casino Royale as well as Green Lantern! :)

The Old One

The Old One

#473
Fair enough.

Fair points, but to be fair you can see the parallels between where their strength lies in their previous work.
& Their work from the MCU.

Kevin Feige utilized this.
Different scenario.

roc84

roc84

#474
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 04:36:06 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.

The point is- accomplished Directors/Writers > recognizable actors.
The franchise requires the former- but not necessarily the latter. 

The Russo Bros' work, good beforehand.
James Gunn's work, good beforehand.
Ridley Scott's work before The Duelists? Excellent beforehand.

The Predator's failure, is the script/concept foremost, not the stars.

Shane Black's work, good beforehand

The Old One

The Old One

#475
Yes, and The failure lies in the script and concept.

Russ840

Russ840

#476
Yeah but we will never know if that is the reason the film failed, because Black and Dekkers script is not what we got. We got a choppy, poorly edited film due to a rewrite and reshoot of the third act. 

It is felt throughout the film and I don't think this film is Shane Black's vision.

BigDaddyJohn

Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 15, 2018, 06:27:38 PM
Yeah but we will never know if that is the reason the film failed, because Black and Dekkers script is not what we got. We got a choppy, poorly edited film due to a rewrite and reshoot of the third act. 

It is felt throughout the film and I don't think this film is Shane Black's vision.

It has a fair amount of Shane Black's vision in it IMO, but also a lot of studio meddling obviously. But Black was always going to do his thing, put his balls on the table and say "f**k it all i'll try to do it my way, but it has to be set in the predator universe", with all the problems we know that resulted from that.

Russ840

I had no problems with ideas he puts forward.  Just their execution, which is poor as a result of studio meddling.  I like that he wanted to expand things. Otherwise we end up with stagnant carbon copies of previous films.

BigDaddyJohn

Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 15, 2018, 07:11:06 PM
I had no problems with ideas he puts forward.  Just their execution, which is poor as a result of studio meddling.  I like that he wanted to expand things. Otherwise we end up with stagnant carbon copies of previous films.

I agree on numerous points regarding bad execution (there are also greatly executed shots/ideas too), but we must admit that for a classic predator fan it was always deemed to be a very weird and polarizing experience.

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