Hi everyone,
Longtime lurker here, Website Omega underground are reporting that FOX are currently in the process of developing a series set in the 'Alien Universe' , take this with a grain of salt but more social media outlets are reporting this, so i thought i would give you all the link to read yourselves
https://omegaunderground.com/2018/07/03/rumor-a-series-set-in-the-alien-universe-being-considered/
This at present should be treated as a rumour, but a few reports are popping up on you tube too. and it's garnering interest. Anyway, i thought i would just make you aware, hopefully corporal Hicks can do some digging and see what fox has to say.
Wobblyboddle77
And to quote the late, great Leonard Nimoy... "Fascinating..."
So we're debating whether or not to post this on the front-page now that Omega has broken the news but the short is I've known something about this for a few months now, and have spoken to a small handful of people in the know. I've got no real concrete info other than that there's something in the works/being developed regarding some sort of Alien series thing.
But honestly I've no real idea of what it is. I was told not to get hung up over the word series, or show, not to expect something like a traditional TV series or anything. Most likely to be something released via the internet - whether that's traditional streaming services or some other platforms.
I suspect it's going to be something akin to Space: Above and Beyond with focus on the Colonial Marines but that's just my own speculation.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
So we're debating whether or not to post this on the front-page now that Omega has broken the news but the short is I've known something about this for a few months now, and have spoken to a small handful of people in the know. I've got no real concrete info other than that there's something in the works/being developed regarding some sort of Alien series thing.
But honestly I've no real idea of what it is. I was told not to get hung up over the word series, or show, not to expect something like a traditional TV series or anything. Most likely to be something released via the internet - whether that's traditional streaming services or some other platforms.
I suspect it's going to be something akin to Space: Above and Beyond with focus on the Colonial Marines but that's just my own speculation.
Do you know if it's going to uphold the lore of the prequels or pretty much retcon the goo/David in favor of the classic mythology?
Ah yes, Space: Above and Beyond... that takes me back.
This is why I worry about taking the Aliens out of an Alien spinoff. You could just about argue that Ridley Scott got awy with it in Prometheus, because he replaced them with something else that was equally as interesting, but Colonial Marines without Aliens? Isn't Space Above and Beyond (which lasted 1 season) what you'd get?
TC
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 04, 2018, 11:04:48 AM
Do you know if it's going to uphold the lore of the prequels or pretty much retcon the goo/David in favor of the classic mythology?
No idea I'm afraid but I imagine that a lot of direction is going to be dictated by the budget. There's so much they could do - just whether they have the cash.
Alien Isolation plz plz plz!
Will this be like Star Wars Rebels?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 04, 2018, 11:04:48 AM
Do you know if it's going to uphold the lore of the prequels or pretty much retcon the goo/David in favor of the classic mythology?
No idea I'm afraid but I imagine that a lot of direction is going to be dictated by the budget. There's so much they could do - just whether they have the cash.
I hope it lands on Netflix. If a talented crew gets their hands on a budget half the size of Altered Carbon's...
I wonder if Scott Free is going to produce as well.
Space Above and Beyond was a good series. It was ahead of its time.
Use the Pathogen and good writing, then you can do whatever you want.
Could this potentially be the five winning short films that are going to be created via the Tongal contest? Those meet the criteria of not being a traditional series and being distributed online.
Whatever it is, I am glad to hear something is in development!
I agree, glad we are getting something!
But a (possible) series dedicated the colonial marines?.... :-\
I always found them the least interesting in the entire franchise.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 04, 2018, 03:47:38 PM
Could this potentially be the five winning short films that are going to be created via the Tongal contest? Those meet the criteria of not being a traditional series and being distributed online.
I don't believe so. This is separate to 40th anniversary celebrations afaik.
An Alien series sounds great. But for somebody like me with download limits and terrible internet, I'd rather it be something aired on television. If nothing else, if Fox would guarantee a Blu-ray release. Every Alien fan should be able to enjoy it. I hope they don't forget those of us who live in the backwoods.
I think The Expanse really cornered what I wanted to see from the Alien prequels. Whatever they do with this... I mean, I've wanted it for a long time, so go for it.
Hey Fox! Please no make Alien stupid tv series!Go make Alien covenant sequel,BIG SCREEN so much better idea!!! Alien prequel trilogy! :o
Long awaited, if done with a serious tone and very little alien to boot. Essentially it could be like a True Detective but in science fiction under the guise of geekhood like that of Treckie fandomonium. It is a winning combo!
Long awaited, if done with a serious tone and very little alien to boot. Essentially it could be like a True Detective but in science fiction under the guise of geekhood like that of Treckie fandomonium. It is a winning combo!
All of this is for naught as Disney now owns Fox(already agreed to by handshake and a celebratory dinner between Fox and Disney execs recently and also cleared by United States Court system https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/us-set-to-give-antitrust-approval-for-disney-fox-deal.html
Comcast is done and doesn't have a dog in this fight any longer. They *could* conceivably make a bigger offer but the revised Disney deal has again, already been agreed to in principal by Fox.
Fox at this point doesn't have any say in the matter for developing any of their properties now that they've agreed to the revised Disney bid of 71.3 billion U.S.
No say in Predator, Alien, Avatar and ANY of the film franchises, characters, etc that Fox owned(that Disney now does).
Bring on Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop for one last "passing of the torch from Ripley to Hicks and Newt) via the Neill Blomkamp film. Come at me bros! ;D
With nothing but respect and kindness, I ask that Sir Ridley Scott go with Fox and let "his baby go" to Disney where they will hopefully let Neill do his film.
Face facts folks. The proposed Blomkamp Alien film got Alien fans talking WORLDWIDE, had the support of Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn(who both stated they were ready to reprise their roles) as well as Lance Henrikson hinting that he could conceivably come back as an "aged" Bishop as his model is designed to grow older with his "team" ie: Ripley and Hicks as to not make them feel "uncomfortable". It was a brilliant explanation of how Bishop could be brought back with Lance playing him as an "older" model.
This WORLDWIDE excitement is what Sir Ridley used to justify Alien: Covenant to Fox and effectively "back stab" Neill.
Also, James Cameron praised Neill's script saying basically it could be filmed right away and that it was "gangbusters"
"Cameron has, however, been privy to Neill Blomkamp's script for a hypothetical Aliens sequel, which would ignore and replace the events of Alien 3, and he approves. Strongly. "I think it works gangbusters. He shared it with me, and I think it's a very strong script and he could go make it tomorrow." https://io9.gizmodo.com/james-cameron-thinks-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-scri-1784210612
So in closing, hopefully Disney will rightfully establish Ripley and Newt as their new "Princesses" and allow Neill to film his script.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 04, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
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This post legitimately made me retch.
Gross, awful, I'd lose my left hand to make sure that garbage never happened.
Yeah... no thanks on the return of dead characters.
Also i would imagine its business at usual at fox until the paperwork is done.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 04, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
All of this is for naught as Disney now owns Fox(already agreed to by handshake and a celebratory dinner between Fox and Disney execs recently and also cleared by United States Court system https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/us-set-to-give-antitrust-approval-for-disney-fox-deal.html
Comcast is done and doesn't have a dog in this fight any longer. They *could* conceivably make a bigger offer but the revised Disney deal has again, already been agreed to in principal by Fox.
Fox at this point doesn't have any say in the matter for developing any of their properties now that they've agreed to the revised Disney bid of 71.3 billion U.S.
No say in Predator, Alien, Avatar and ANY of the film franchises, characters, etc that Fox owned(that Disney now does).
Bring on Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop for one last "passing of the torch from Ripley to Hicks and Newt) via the Neill Blomkamp film. Come at me bros! ;D
With nothing but respect and kindness, I ask that Sir Ridley Scott go with Fox and let "his baby go" to Disney where they will hopefully let Neill do his film.
Face facts folks. The proposed Blomkamp Alien film got Alien fans talking WORLDWIDE, had the support of Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn(who both stated they were ready to reprise their roles) as well as Lance Henrikson hinting that he could conceivably come back as an "aged" Bishop as his model is designed to grow older with his "team" ie: Ripley and Hicks as to not make them feel "uncomfortable". It was a brilliant explanation of how Bishop could be brought back with Lance playing him as an "older" model.
This WORLDWIDE excitement is what Sir Ridley used to justify Alien: Covenant to Fox and effectively "back stab" Neill.
Also, James Cameron praised Neill's script saying basically it could be filmed right away and that it was "gangbusters"
"Cameron has, however, been privy to Neill Blomkamp's script for a hypothetical Aliens sequel, which would ignore and replace the events of Alien 3, and he approves. Strongly. "I think it works gangbusters. He shared it with me, and I think it's a very strong script and he could go make it tomorrow." https://io9.gizmodo.com/james-cameron-thinks-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-scri-1784210612
So in closing, hopefully Disney will rightfully establish Ripley and Newt as their new "Princesses" and allow Neill to film his script.
Amen to that! :)
Hadleys hope series please....thats NOT based on River of Pain as that was a pile of shit
Hopefully, this is the long awaited Simpsons and Lydecker show... :)
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 04, 2018, 07:59:53 PM
Hopefully, this is the long awaited Simpsons and Lydecker show... :)
Would be amazing
Well excuse me all the hell but didn't Fox technically announce the green light of the direct sequel to Aliens ? and we all know how that ended up. At this point this will possible become exclusive to Disney's planned steaming service, and Disney have a time table of pulling all the content of Netflex .
Old One and 426 we can agree to disagree. :)
Rankles-thank you! I really feel there are "a lot" of closet Blomkamp/Ripley/Hicks/Newt fans and simply don't post because they get piled on.
I can't stand the direction the films took after ALIENS and despise Alien 3 and Resurrection. Doesn't mean I will crap on anyone who likes those films. Different strokes for different folks.
Helmet-Fox did indeed and at least in the case of Alien 3, it's already been well established by many people, including the amazing David Fincher that it was an absolute nightmare production, the script was in a constant state of flux even while filming.
Quote"Ridley asked how it was going and I said 'Really bad' and he said, 'It never goes well, this is not the way to make movies, make sure you make a little film where you have some control while they're beating you up.' And all he did was tell me he still hasn't seen a dime from the first Alien. I don't think they ever used it in the documentary!"
https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/alien-3-fincher-talks/ (https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/alien-3-fincher-talks/)
Quote from: Helmet on Jul 04, 2018, 08:19:22 PM
Well excuse me all the hell but didn't Fox technically announce the green light of the direct sequel to Aliens ? and we all know how that ended up. At this point this will possible become exclusive to Disney's planned steaming service, and Disney have a time table of pulling all the content of Netflex .
I don't think Fox technically did.
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Fox at this point doesn't have any say in the matter for developing any of their properties now that they've agreed to the revised Disney bid of 71.3 billion U.S.
No say in Predator, Alien, Avatar and ANY of the film franchises, characters, etc that Fox owned(that Disney now does).
What are you basing this on?
(That was rhetorical)
I am Sure my friend Terry English will be pleased..
He designed and made all the original Armour for the Marines in Aliens..
I wonder if it will go down the route of the colonial marines corps post LV426, poss even the earth war or genocide comics (expanded of course)!
Hope it does get made, just reticent to believe in fox's continued commitment
Would love to see a show mostly based on Weyland Yutani set in the near future, were we see all sorts of shady shit going on within this company, between good and bad people who work for Weyland yutani. Set it before and after the events of Prometheus, Alien, Aliens and A3. However make the Xeno a mythical creature in this universe, were some people high up in the company don't believe it exist but some do. Also make the case of the Nostromo a mayjor conspiracy theory were some believe it was an insurance job, but some believe it was far more sinister why that ship went missing. Basically make the show based on the weapons division, trying to chase this mystical creature... Remember the early seasons of the X Files were Mulder and Scully get soo close to proving the Greys exist? However they are either just too late or a few steps behind? Well I would like to see something similar within the Alien universe but with Weyland Yutani.
Again, unless Disney has agreed to make everything Fox had planned for their franchises(which is very hard to believe at this point) Fox is effectively done with movies. It's sold to Disney.
No offense to anyone but not entirely sure why this is even being talked about like Fox is still calling the shots here?!
Anything currently in production at Fox will likely continue to be in production at Fox. It's not like they are going to pull the plug on everything they are currently busy with just because it's under new ownership.
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2018, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: Helmet on Jul 04, 2018, 08:19:22 PM
Well excuse me all the hell but didn't Fox technically announce the green light of the direct sequel to Aliens ? and we all know how that ended up. At this point this will possible become exclusive to Disney's planned steaming service, and Disney have a time table of pulling all the content of Netflex .
I don't think Fox technically did.
Fox never said a word publicly. They did however confirm directly to the media that Blomkamp was indeed working on a new Alien film for them after he announced it from his (then) unverified twitter account.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 04, 2018, 09:17:19 PM
Anything currently in production at Fox will likely continue to be in production at Fox. It's not like they are going to pull the plug on everything they are currently busy with just because it's under new ownership.
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2018, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: Helmet on Jul 04, 2018, 08:19:22 PM
Well excuse me all the hell but didn't Fox technically announce the green light of the direct sequel to Aliens ? and we all know how that ended up. At this point this will possible become exclusive to Disney's planned steaming service, and Disney have a time table of pulling all the content of Netflex .
I don't think Fox technically did.
Fox never said a word publicly. They did however confirm directly to the media that Blomkamp was indeed working on a new Alien film for them after he announced it from his (then) unverified twitter account.
Is Neill's film dead, as far as we know? Or just shelved and waiting for Disney?
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 04, 2018, 09:06:02 PM
Again, unless Disney has agreed to make everything Fox had planned for their franchises(which is very hard to believe at this point) Fox is effectively done with movies. It's sold to Disney.
No offense to anyone but not entirely sure why this is even being talked about like Fox is still calling the shots here?!
How much understanding of how these deals work do you have?
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 09:23:36 PM
Is Neill's film dead, as far as we know? Or just shelved and waiting for Disney?
Neill said it's definitely dead. Scott said as much too.
But ultimately it's up to Fox/Disney.
I'm anticipating an animated webseries, a la Genndy Tartakovsky's original Clone Wars. Something cheap, to test the waters...
An animated alien series would be awesome.
If it monies, we can milk it.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 04, 2018, 09:46:51 PM
If it monies, we can milk it.
I see what you did there ;)
426 Buddy-Enough to know that any "rumored" films or "television" series from Fox at this point are blatantly FALSE. They are in no position to be announcing anything when they've agreed to sell *almost* the entire company to Disney(sans I believe the news channel(s) that Fox will keep and still run under the Fox banner). Fox isn't going away but they're simply selling off almost their entire company.
No offense man but seriously, why would you think Fox can still actively announce plans for television or movies?
The *ONLY* thing that wouldn't be touched are the now filming Avatar sequels by James Cameron. Disney now owns those but they'd be nuts to shut that production down. Right?
Thought so
<Flies Eaglemoss Nostromo around room, thinking hopeful thoughts about this...>
I think it's a good idea to let people know you already heard news of this a while ago, and it will clear the air of this rumour type news we have been experiencing as of late.
I am already asking Chris (Omega Underground) the specifics of how and when he came across the information and is it when the people in the know got that information too.
Does Fox usually disseminate information to get fan reaction on potential projects?
Not as far as I know, Deadpool would be an exception.
As if you didn't know. :D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 05, 2018, 12:18:31 AM
As if you didn't know. :D
He's runnin. ;) And I thought I saw a pizza box under his jacket.
Hi everyone,
I'm treating this entirely as a rumour still, but information such as this doesn't transpire from nowhere either. If Fox decide to take this route with the franchise, i think they will play it safe and use an established scenario the fan base are familiar with, such as the story of the colonising of LV426 and the events which lead up to Aliens.
I hope not, retreading old ground in that way leaves little to the imagination and not a lot of room for creativity.
Could be interesting, the colony had been there 20 years right? Lots of time to focus on stories that flesh out the universe but dont necessarily include the alien or derelict.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 04, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
Old One and 426 we can agree to disagree. :)
Rankles-thank you! I really feel there are "a lot" of closet Blomkamp/Ripley/Hicks/Newt fans and simply don't post because they get piled on.
I can't stand the direction the films took after ALIENS and despise Alien 3 and Resurrection. Doesn't mean I will crap on anyone who likes those films. Different strokes for different folks.
Helmet-Fox did indeed and at least in the case of Alien 3, it's already been well established by many people, including the amazing David Fincher that it was an absolute nightmare production, the script was in a constant state of flux even while filming.
Quote"Ridley asked how it was going and I said 'Really bad' and he said, 'It never goes well, this is not the way to make movies, make sure you make a little film where you have some control while they're beating you up.' And all he did was tell me he still hasn't seen a dime from the first Alien. I don't think they ever used it in the documentary!"
https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/alien-3-fincher-talks/ (https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/alien-3-fincher-talks/)
Oh, I don't give a crap about the Alien 3 apologists, believe me! I have no issue with them liking that film, but if they have a pop at those of us who want a worthy sequel (for us) to Aliens, I'm happy to bark back... :)
Well i have been saying for a while that this would be a great idea....ok my ego has been cleansed.
Now hopefully they will not make it a show and call it Hadley's Hope....
I would rather it center around a different colony, and focus on discovering new stuff centered around the Engineers...then one scientist finds an egg or something. If there's stuff in space too that would be great.
Just please no prequel series centered on Hadley's Hope unless it's a comedy or something off the wall. Like How I Met Your Mother...but the crew are on a Hadleys Hope instead....(and the ending will be epic)
I'm chest bursting with excitement at this rumor! I've been saying an 8-12 episode show would work perfect for Alien. Taking the time to build characters which should in turn build tension when characters you care for are at risk. Hopefully Disney will be on board with this rumor. I think it could be successful as it's worked with other horror franchises such as Hannibal, Bates Motel and Scream.
What's the point of a show about a colony on a rock where nothing happens for 20 years until Aliens? Is it Seinfeld in space or something?
Never heard of the Omega Underground before now.
Eh...
I'm weary of this idea.
I mean, I guess it could work. As a miniseries, with a narrative similar to something like Alien Isolation where there's enough material to stretch it out for eight to ten hours.
You don't want 50 minute episodes for a series like this, you'd want longer form. Almost like smaller movies. Like the old Hornblower miniseries.
Hadley's sounds like a good choice, but covering all the years the colonists were there without alien contact would be incredibly dull, unless of course the cast and acting was such that you could just listen to them talk over tea all day long. But that's not likely to happen. You'd have to focus on the day to day of regular people, but there could only be so many lost groups of people trapped in a dust-storm, and people cheating on their spouses to make it viewable for even a short amount of time.
Maybe they could focus on more than the colony. Maybe half the story could involve Wey-Yu back on earth. Maybe even skip between different timeframes. Go back alittle in time, and see the company and whatever jerk was responsible send special order 937 to the Nostromo, and watch as Dallas or Ash interfaces with Mother, if that was possible to see it on earth in real time.
But really, it all comes down to one thing. If Hadley's is involved, there has to be a buildup to the xeno outbreak. So there's only so long you can drag it out. You can't just cover 2 decades of nothingness, or however long it was. So if this does move forward, I hope it turns into like a 10 episode series.
How to end it? I don't know. Maybe have the final shot should be of Newt and her family's crawler leaving the compound to investigate the derelict, or Newt crawling into the vents to escape the xenomorphs. Perhaps see a message from the company (or burke) scrolling across a bloodied screen, asking for clarification or awaiting response.
But that's just for Hadley's. I personally would like to see something completely fresh and new. What we may wind up with is an I-Robot style series where the David's, played by a different actor, turn on their human owners. Like bicentennial man meets Covenant.
Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 05, 2018, 02:04:31 AM
Never heard of the Omega Underground before now.
My first experience was with this article https://omegaunderground.com/2017/03/21/ridley-scott-says-alien-awakening-takes-place-prometheus-covenant/ (https://omegaunderground.com/2017/03/21/ridley-scott-says-alien-awakening-takes-place-prometheus-covenant/)
I've had sporadic dealings with them over the past couple of years and I've found them to be pretty on the mark when it comes to insider info. They're one of the few "smaller" outlets I do trust.
As for the news - regardless of what form this new project ends up taking I'm really excited to just know that Fox are still working on the franchise. I think there's genuine room for more Alien-less projects in the Alien series - whether that be exploring the avenues of the Prometheus or Colonial Marine's dealings with other alien creatures.
I'm up for this but as long as it moves the story along and really delves into the great mysteries presented in Prometheus rather than just inconsequential episodes like a sitcom where nothing ever really changes.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 05, 2018, 01:31:39 AM
Oh, I don't give a crap about the Alien 3 apologists, believe me! I have no issue with them liking that film, but if they have a pop at those of us who want a worthy sequel (for us) to Aliens, I'm happy to bark back... :)
You got a worthy sequel, it's called Alien 3.
As others have said, and myself; I will state again-
There's nothing worthwhile to be gained from a Hadley's Hope series.
Leave Aliens (1986) alone.
An Alien Series? Sounds great! But a compact und solid mini-series would be cool, instead of 22 or 23 long episodes with too many sidestorys and characters.
Good idea, maybe its time to try something different after 5 disappointing films in a row.
At this point both franchises are trending this way. The fanbase's for both are too niche and also too divided. So when a big-screen version of something comes (alien or pred) the fan base is at odds with whether it's good or bad. And because they are infrequent enough, it's a blow when the movies aren't well received.
So this is the next stage. Still feed the existing fanbase and give a little of everything via a streaming series.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 05, 2018, 08:10:30 AM
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I think there's genuine room for more Alien-less projects in the Alien series
...
Your initial speculation about a
Space: Above and Beyond-like series got me all nostalgic so I went to YouTube and the whole season of episodes is there in all its mid-90s glory. It's much better than I remember. If any millennial
Aliens fans are curious about what a
Colonial Marines series might be like, have a look. The big difference would be that nowadays a series tends to be less episodic (in which each episode is a standalone story) and more serialised (like a soap opera's continually developing plot and character arcs).
If I was Fox I would stay away from Engineers and Power Goo. The fanbase is too mixed on those stories, and the box office too disappointing.
Here's an off-the-wall idea: What if the series is actually a reboot of the entire original franchise, but told from the point of view of a special ops team of Colonial Marines.
Here's an example:
Ep 1: There's some hanky panky at Thedus and a malevant corporation called Weyland Yutani knowingly despatches one of their space tugs off to its doom before the marines can intervene.
Ep 2 - 3; Other stories.
Ep 4: They come across the wrecked tug which has been abandoned in space and consult its flight recorder, which happens to include the uploaded memories of the onboard synthetic.
Ep 5 - 7; Other stories.
Ep 8: There's a rumour of ructions at a nearby prison colony, but by the time they get there all the inmates are dead except for signs that a lone civilian managed to escape.
Ep 9 - 11; Other stories.
Ep 12; they are sent to an outlying colony called Hadleys Hope, on the way they pick up a drifting lifeboat containing W.O. Ripley in stasis.
Etc...
TC
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 05, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 05, 2018, 01:31:39 AM
Oh, I don't give a crap about the Alien 3 apologists, believe me! I have no issue with them liking that film, but if they have a pop at those of us who want a worthy sequel (for us) to Aliens, I'm happy to bark back... :)
You got a worthy sequel, it's called Alien 3.
As others have said, and myself; I will state again-
There's nothing worthwhile to be gained from a Hadley's Hope series.
Leave Aliens (1986) alone.
Clearly I (and many others) disagree. Agree on the Hadley's Hope series though, seems pointless...
If they're not going to let Ridley finish the prequels, it would be nice if David showed up at some point during the series to tell us what happened and provide some closure on that arc.
Just keep Blomkamp as far away from this franchise as possible. We've already seen him make District 9 three times now. We don't need a forth with sprinkles of Cameron fan service.
Quote from: HashTag_TheSwag on Jul 05, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
Just keep Blomkamp as far away from this franchise as possible. We've already seen him make District 9 three times now. We don't need a forth with sprinkles of Cameron fan service.
This.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
So we're debating whether or not to post this on the front-page now that Omega has broken the news but the short is I've known something about this for a few months now, and have spoken to a small handful of people in the know. I've got no real concrete info other than that there's something in the works/being developed regarding some sort of Alien series thing.
Some of the bigger news sites are now also running with this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2018/07/05/the-alien-franchise-would-work-way-better-as-a-tv-series/#64040e1616b6 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2018/07/05/the-alien-franchise-would-work-way-better-as-a-tv-series/#64040e1616b6)
This sounds like a bad idea...
Prometheus and Covenant were bad ideas.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 05, 2018, 11:03:26 PM
Prometheus and Covenant were bad ideas.
Nah.
It lies in the execution in those two.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 05, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 05, 2018, 11:03:26 PM
Prometheus and Covenant were bad ideas.
Nah.
It lies in the execution in those two.
Or rather, it lies in the well deserved excommunication of those two. ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 05, 2018, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 05, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 05, 2018, 11:03:26 PM
Prometheus and Covenant were bad ideas.
Nah.
It lies in the execution in those two.
Or rather, it lies in the well deserved excommunication of those two. ;)
The only thing that deserves excommunication are those that want regurgitation.
Which I'm not implying you do, but it's happened to too many franchises already.
I'd ultimately rather have an interesting failure than a well-executed repetition.
I'd rather have neither and instead get a quality f**king film for once.
It's either "Well, that was a shit show" or "Well, that was okay" or "Wow, that looked amazing but holy God that story."
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:09:03 AM
I'd rather have neither and instead get a quality f**king film for once.
It's either "Well, that was a shit show" or "Well, that was okay" or "Wow, that looked amazing but holy God that story."
The averages say we have to eventually, all it takes is for one element to be good that consistently hasn't been since Alien 3: The Script.
Everything in the two prequels, apart from some questionable editing, would've fallen together well had the characters outside of David had consistent understandable motives, made intelligent decisions and spoke with some measure of realism that's since been absent after 1992.
I'm just saying in my previous comment that I take issue with those that believe the recent Alien films haven't hit the mark because of lack of the titular beast, Rebecca Jorden, Dwayne Hicks or Ellen Ripley being dead or the SJ being an Engineer. These are not the things that hold back an Alien/Prometheus film from being good and never have been. Since 1997, it's been the script.
TV series could be fine. But leave that bumkamp BS fan service in the garbage. People think that's what they want to see but have no idea how horrible it really is. There is nothing wrong with the killing of a pointless character like Newt off, and Hicks. It makes for a more realistic circumstance. Another movie retreadingthoae characters is purely too satisfy the fanboys and not about telling a compelling story
Some of us don't consider them useless characters. Particularly Newt who was PROFOUNDLY important to Ripley's character growth in Aliens.
There's plenty wrong with killing characters just because you can't be assed to continue from where the previous film left off.
Aliens took the care to replicate the end of Alien to ensure continuity before carrying on with it's own narrative. It didn't flip a bird at Ridley Scott and change everything or kill Ripley off to start fresh with it's own characters.
Was Fincher not allowed to flip the bird at Cameron?
The previous characters from Aliens departure could've been handled differently yes, but I believe it was handled effectively- building Ripley's character growth through to it's conclusion.
But more than that, even if you see no merit in A3 whatsoever- it's near 30 years too late to change anything. The story has been concluded for decades.
Bringing them back would be PATHETIC at this point and so transparent that even Local Trouble would see the skeleton.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 06:18:28 AM
Was Fincher not allowed to flip the bird at Cameron?
Yeah, go for it. Be spiteful. Flip your birds up. Doesn't mean it's a quality creative decision.
If Alien 3 were it's own film, with no ties to the Alien series, it would be one thing, but there was a lot of audience good will built up from Aliens.
You can't create a franchise film in a vacuum. Those considerations have to be taken into account. Especially when you're talking about killing off main characters. Aside of the autopsy(Which Fincher himself was little more than a means to tell the audience that this film was going to be uncomfortable and not a fun ride) and the funeral scene, nothing is done with Ripley's character regarding these characters. She just shuts down. That's it. Nil.
Which again, stark contrast to what Aliens did going from Alien. Ripley's story continues. PTSD, nightmares, survivors guilt, fear of having to face the Alien again. These are all threads pulling from the previous film to great effect. Why wouldn't you want to do that going into the third film?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 05, 2018, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
So we're debating whether or not to post this on the front-page now that Omega has broken the news but the short is I've known something about this for a few months now, and have spoken to a small handful of people in the know. I've got no real concrete info other than that there's something in the works/being developed regarding some sort of Alien series thing.
Some of the bigger news sites are now also running with this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2018/07/05/the-alien-franchise-would-work-way-better-as-a-tv-series/#64040e1616b6 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2018/07/05/the-alien-franchise-would-work-way-better-as-a-tv-series/#64040e1616b6)
A couple of the other bigger movie/nerd outlets are running it to. Seems to be a fairly positive response to this so even if it's not a usual TV series, I guess Fox now knows there's some wider interest in this.
QuoteWhich again, stark contrast to what Aliens did going from Alien. Ripley's story continues. PTSD, nightmares, survivors guilt, fear of having to face the Alien again. These are all threads pulling from the previous film to great effect. Why wouldn't you want to do that going into the third film?
Because you've already done it in the second one.
Why would you need to do anything with Ripley in regards to Hicks and Newt? They're dead. Once she knows there's an Alien running around she acts like Ripley always does and tries to find a way to stop it. You want to her mope around?
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 02:07:42 AM
The averages say we have to eventually, all it takes is for one element to be good that consistently hasn't been since Alien 3: The Script.
Everything in the two prequels, apart from some questionable editing, would've fallen together well had the characters outside of David had consistent understandable motives, made intelligent decisions and spoke with some measure of realism that's since been absent after 1992.
I'm just saying in my previous comment that I take issue with those that believe the recent Alien films haven't hit the mark because of lack of the titular beast, Rebecca Jorden, Dwayne Hicks or Ellen Ripley being dead or the SJ being an Engineer. These are not the things that hold back an Alien/Prometheus film from being good and never have been. Since 1997, it's been the script.
I agree with this, while Hicks and Newt's death was not handled right, I think the third film wrapped Ripley's arc up well. I just think there should have been a movie or two in between 2 and 3, so what was built up in Aliens could have been explored while still allowing Ripley to have a suitable end.
I don't their deaths would or should hold an Alien movie back from being great, its called Alien, not the "Adventures of Hicks, Newt and Ripley"
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 06:16:30 AM
Some of us don't consider them useless characters. Particularly Newt who was PROFOUNDLY important to Ripley's character growth in Aliens.
There's plenty wrong with killing characters just because you can't be assed to continue from where the previous film left off.
Aliens took the care to replicate the end of Alien to ensure continuity before carrying on with it's own narrative. It didn't flip a bird at Ridley Scott and change everything or kill Ripley off to start fresh with it's own characters.
Cameron even used the same camera styles I believe for the intro. Hicks and Newt should have not been disposed of like that but at the same time an Alien movie should not have to be connected to them or have them in just because.
If I was writting Alien 3 and there was no way around keeping them out of the movie, I would just say the EEV crash severly damaged the cryo tubes so that they cannot be woken up safely unless in a place with proper equipment, its lame I know but at least the characters would be spared, and after Ripley's death, it would be interesting to see how they would react and come to terms with it. Perhaps motivated to find and wipe out all the Xenomorphs, thus given a franchise a new character to follow with personal motives to go after them.
Because how many times could one justify Ripley facing her literal nightmares?
It's been the script a long time before 1997.
You can justify Ripley facing her worst nightmares plenty of times. She's one of the few people in the galaxy that knows about the aliens, and she's motivated to destroy them. Do you think that after Aliens she would just walk away and live out her life in anonymity in the suburbs? Come on! She would either be chased by WY for destroying Hadley's Hope or chased by the Colonial Marines so they can get all the info they can out of her. She would lead a persecuted life, knowing that WY and CM don't want to destroy the Aliensbut breed them. The same would go for Hicks and Newt. They are bound together by their knowledge and horrific experiences. Misery loves company.
As a result of the above, the trio would want to exterminate the aliens. It would be just a question of time before WY and CM got their hands on the species, perhaps another 30 years or so. Hicks, with his military expertise would be monitoring the activities of WY and CM. At the right time, they would strike like Sarah Connor. There's your third film. Or series.
During the fight against WY and CM perhaps David would appear?? Perhaps everyone stumbles upon engineers?
I'll go ahead and start this now.
#BringBackBiehn
Hicks would be great in a mentor role, training a new generation of bug stompers in a series.
That's Space Above and Beyond right there.
Make it "Tour of Duty" style. Where main characters get whacked weekly. Vietnam style.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 06, 2018, 11:24:37 AM
I'll go ahead and start this now.
#BringBackBiehn
Hicks would be great in a mentor role, training a new generation of bug stompers in a series.
I got your back on this one! There's a FB page dedicated to resetting the timeline...
"I'll go ahead and start this now.
#BringBackBiehn
Hicks would be great in a mentor role, training a new generation of bug stompers in a series"
No, this isn't transformers and this isnt a shoot em up movie which is what everyone seems to want. That would be stupid and boring. Go play a video game for that type of lazy story telling.
Who ever said that?
The idea of bringing back any cast member that's dead is so bad it's exhausting to even repeat why at this point.
Theyre not really dead or alive because it's fiction. Many fans and casual viewers prefer a continuation with Hicks Newt and Ripley because that story is more natural and makes more sense. Besides those characters bacame a core part of the series with spin-off books etc. If you think Alien 3 is the correct sequel to Aliens, please refer to the egg on Sulaco thread.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 06, 2018, 03:47:10 PM
Who ever said that?
Nobody, lol. He's just one of those salty people who vents his personal frustrations on a message board.
But yeah, not a shoot em up, and definitely not a Transformers clone. A mixture of tone is what I had in mind. Maybe even some black comedy since some of the EU stories have darkly comedic undertones. Just to keep it fresh.
Thread-derailed...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 06, 2018, 05:02:52 PM
Besides those characters became a core part of the series with spin-off books etc.
& That right there is why it's a trash idea.
Their story is over, and that's a fact that'll be repeated ad nauseum until people accept it.
I can agree to disagree, but I will say that the proper continuation of Ripley, Hicks', and Newt's story belongs on the big screen and not in a TV series. So getting back on track, I'm very excited about a TV series and hope that Disney does a proper Disney sequel to Aliens, which was already basically a Disney movie.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 06, 2018, 06:45:14 PM
I can agree to disagree, but I will say that the proper continuation of Ripley, Hicks', and Newt's story belongs on the big screen and not in a TV series. So getting back on track, I'm very excited about a TV series and hope that Disney does a proper Disney sequel to Aliens, which was already basically a Disney movie.
It belongs in the trash, the proper continuation we got in 1992.
& Calling Aliens a Disney film, it's like your trying to give me an aneurysm.
Hollywood is ageist and unless "Terminator" with Linda Hamilton returning does extremely well, the likelihood is that you'll never get another Sigourney Weaver Alien film. There's nothing to be done with those characters that isn't a vile regurgitation of previously explored arcs anyway, Alien needs to look forwards not back.
On a TV series, I say go GOT, Hannibal or Twin Peaks or go home. The last thing I want Alien to be is TWD or a CW show, meandering and pointless appealing to the lowest common denominator.
Disney and Aliens in the same sentence still scares me more than a chest burst lol. but all in all I'm really hoping they don't mess it up,
QuoteShe's one of the few people in the galaxy that knows about the aliens, and she's motivated to destroy them.
She only wants to destroy them if she has a personal stake. If she didn't think it would help her PTSD she wouldn't have gone to LV-426. She's not going to end up some Alien-hunting mercenary like Herk Mondo.
(https://fotos.subefotos.com/5efb2b4310c3645351a8e3a16ba301ado.jpg)
The seed has been planted. John Cena as Herk Mondo. You're welcome, Fisney.
I'd love to see a nod to a younger Pvt. Hudson's love of AC/DC....
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Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 06, 2018, 10:10:27 PM
The seed has been planted. John Cena as Herk Mondo. You're welcome, Fisney.
And now I suddenly really want this!
No prequel crap though.
Like Hicks and Hudson in high school.
Yikes, I'm with you on that one.
Don't want to X-MEN Origins it, in any capacity.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 06, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
https://fotos.subefotos.com/5efb2b4310c3645351a8e3a16ba301ado.jpg
I really do want them to make another Mondo Comic.
Herk Mondo in his third outing...
Mondo Mayhem.
Mondo Kane. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondo_Cane)
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 07, 2018, 05:39:58 AM
No prequel crap though.
Like Hicks and Hudson in high school.
I can see it now. Drake and Vasquez prank Hudson by telling one of his teachers that he's hot for them. An hour later, Hudson sits staring at a love note slipped to him by Mrs. Bricklebum. The fat science teacher with the big mole who's now giving him the wink and twiddly fingers.
With an expression of panic, Hudson keeps repeating, "Aw This ain't happenin man, this ain't happenin. Four more weeks and out."
Hicks is trying to calm him down by saying, "you're not reading it right".
Hudson replies "I'm readin' right man, look!"
Hicks looks at the note, then Mrs. Bricklebum blows a kiss. "It's game time"
I hate that what I just read made me smile.
Good one Huggs lol.
Hahahah love it!
They'll have to do something truly amazing and revolutionary with this series to justify its existence.
Honestly given the reception of Covenant, I don't think this will be met with much enthusiasm or interest.
Well, assuming we're even talking about something resembling, event remotely, a conventional series.... What are some hooks?
Personally, I'm all for going the Muppet route with "Aliens Babies". But that's just me...
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 05:56:41 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 07, 2018, 05:39:58 AM
No prequel crap though.
Like Hicks and Hudson in high school.
I can see it now. Drake and Vasquez prank Hudson by telling one of his teachers that he's hot for them. An hour later, Hudson sits staring at a love note slipped to him by Mrs. Bricklebum. The fat science teacher with the big mole who's now giving him the wink and twiddly fingers.
With an expression of panic, Hudson keeps repeating, "Aw This ain't happenin man, this ain't happenin. Four more weeks and out."
Hicks is trying to calm him down by saying, "you're not reading it right".
Hudson replies "I'm readin' right man, look!"
Hicks looks at the note, then Mrs. Bricklebum blows a kiss. "It's game time"
:laugh:
This was gold.
Hahah!!
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How about a straight up adaptation of the adventures of Wilkes and Billie that takes place post-AR?
If there's to be an adaptation of one of the comics I wouldn't be opposed to the general outline of Earth War and Nightmare Asylum.
Perfect! As long as its with Hicks and Newt! It will feel forced otherwise.
That's basically what they tried to set up in the novel Alien River of Pain. Think about it. A Colonial marine and a little girl escapes from Hadley's Hope. What could possibly have been the purpose of setting that up? I think it is so that a story akin to the first Aliens comics could be told as a follow up. It allows for a Hicks / Newt type of story even if the characters are dead.
Honestly, why go so stupidly convoluted when Biehn is ready to reprise his role as Hicks? Why go for a second rate retellinf of an excellent story when the proper sequel could still be made? Nobody is going to come and take away your copy of Alien 3 or A:R, just as much as nobody will go see a sequel to A:R. 🙄
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 07:22:42 PM
Perfect! As long as it's with Hicks and Newt! It will feel forced otherwise.
You changed my mind, I'd rather have nothing than those two coming back.
You can easily adapt the general outline and cut both characters, the scenarios are enough on their own.
The proper sequel was made, it's called Alien 3. We already know how they ended up, let-it-go.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 07:25:45 PM
The proper sequel was made, it's called Alien 3. We already know how they ended up, let-it-go.
No, no, no. You have to say it like Rambo dude!
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 07:32:08 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 07:25:45 PM
The proper sequel was made, it's called Alien 3. We already know how they ended up, let-it-go.
No, no, no. You have to say it like Rambo dude!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnkQk_bWXpA
;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 04:32:08 PM
How about a straight up adaptation of the adventures of Wilkes and Billie that takes place post-AR?
That was after Alien 3 if I remember, the whole alien invasion on Earth was before AR. But yeah it would be better if it was set after that movie. Still those 2 are like literally copies of Hicks and Newt. Nah.
They don't have to be though.
As long as there are no skull Aliens
Amen.
Local, what's your favorite Alien design? Is it the classic, just with the eyes perfectly concealed or do you prefer the Aliens look?
AS to doing an Earth War scenario... I just... I don't know. That doesn't sound very appealing to me, honestly.
I'd much prefer a more intimate story with a really good human story. Maybe you could have something like that occurring near the end of the series run... But honestly i'd prefer a series with a very serialized flow that's more about surviving on a space station or something with aliens running amok. Like they're not just contending with the beast itself, but also with the station falling apart and losing power and having to struggle to survive, with lot's of opportunities for surprise deaths, cliff hangars, and additional stakes/drama. Something that plays with the whole "lived in world" more than the movies have had a chance to do.
I'd love to see something with survivors of an Alien outbreak (without getting too Walking Dead-ish). A sprawling and established colony that has been over-run already.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 08:17:00 PM
Local, what's your favorite Alien design? Is it the classic, just with the eyes perfectly concealed or do you prefer the Aliens look?
AS to doing an Earth War scenario... I just... I don't know. That doesn't sound very appealing to me, honestly.
I'd much prefer a more intimate story with a really good human story. Maybe you could have something like that occurring near the end of the series run... But honestly i'd prefer a series with a very serialized flow that's more about surviving on a space station or something with aliens running amok. Like they're not just contending with the beast itself, but also with the station falling apart and losing power and having to struggle to survive, with lot's of opportunities for surprise deaths, cliff hangars, and additional stakes/drama. Something that plays with the whole "lived in world" more than the movies have had a chance to do.
I really want an Ishimura scenario, that would be fantastic.
I'd like that too Hicks. Maybe they could try something like that in comic book or novel form first?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 07:22:42 PM
Perfect! As long as its with Hicks and Newt! It will feel forced otherwise.
That's basically what they tried to set up in the novel Alien River of Pain. Think about it. A Colonial marine and a little girl escapes from Hadley's Hope. What could possibly have been the purpose of setting that up? I think it is so that a story akin to the first Aliens comics could be told as a follow up. It allows for a Hicks / Newt type of story even if the characters are dead.
Honestly, why go so stupidly convoluted when Biehn is ready to reprise his role as Hicks? Why go for a second rate retellinf of an excellent story when the proper sequel could still be made? Nobody is going to come and take away your copy of Alien 3 or A:R, just as much as nobody will go see a sequel to A:R. 🙄
Agree that it felt forced in River of Pain with the obvious copying of the Hicks/Newt duo.
But I wouldn't want to see Hicks and Newt on the big screen again, to be honest. After hearing Biehn's performance in A:CM, I do not want to see him as Hicks again, no way. And before putting all the blame on Gearbox's writing/direction, I'll say that Lance Henriksen's performance in AVP 2010 and A:CM is far better IMO.
Yeah, but that's Lance Hendrickson. Who's... I mean. Dude, he's Lance Hendrickson, alright? He's like a white Morgan Freeman. He can take just about anything he's handed and make something out of it. Plus, Michael Biehn did fine in Far Cry 3.
Biehn basically said that nobody gave a shit while he was doing his voice recordings. He didn't really get any decent direction.
However... I would agree that they shouldn't come back. A few years back when the idea of doing Alien 5(3.2) was first being toyed with, yeah, it could have worked, but I think too much time has gone by now.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 08:34:18 PM
Yeah, but that's Lance Hendrickson. Who's... I mean. Dude, he's Lance Hendrickson, alright? He's like a white Morgan Freeman. He can take just about anything he's handed and make something out of it.
I sometimes listen to this just to relax.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 08:37:29 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 08:34:18 PM
Yeah, but that's Lance Hendrickson. Who's... I mean. Dude, he's Lance Hendrickson, alright? He's like a white Morgan Freeman. He can take just about anything he's handed and make something out of it.
I sometimes listen to this just to relax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV34yqDNOqE
The only good thing to come out of SWTOR tbh.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 08:17:00 PMBut honestly i'd prefer a series with a very serialized flow that's more about surviving on a space station or something with aliens running amok. Like they're not just contending with the beast itself, but also with the station falling apart and losing power and having to struggle to survive, with lot's of opportunities for surprise deaths, cliff hangars, and additional stakes/drama. Something that plays with the whole "lived in world" more than the movies have had a chance to do.
The Fall of Sevastopol is fertile ground for something like this.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 08:17:00 PM
Local, what's your favorite Alien design? Is it the classic, just with the eyes perfectly concealed or do you prefer the Aliens look?
I think I'd prefer Stan Winston's, but with the canopy restored and a little more transparent to show off the sculpted ridges. Alas, it doesn't exist, but that would be my ideal version.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
I think I'd prefer Stan Winston's, but with the canopy restored and a little more transparent to show off the sculpted ridges. Alas, it doesn't exist, but that would be my ideal version.
So, basically what NECA did for their Burke two pack? The Aliens Warrior prototype.
(https://i.imgur.com/9DanIKy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JllK9uR.jpg)
Yep.
QuoteHonestly, why go so stupidly convoluted when Biehn is ready to reprise his role as Hicks?
'Cos Hicks is dead.
I've always felt that the proportions of Stan Winston's Alien were always a bit, exaggerated, the hands, chest, arms and neck- so it's silouette more than anything would be a strange mix of shapes.
In full view I don't think it works.
I think Alien Isolation and Covenant have two of the best Alien representations personally.
It's all fiction folks. Dead, not dead, it really doesn't matter. Bringing back Hicks and Newt and Ripley would continue the Aliens story at its zenith. That's all I got.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 09:54:32 PM
It's all fiction folks. Dead, not dead, it really doesn't matter. Bringing back Hicks and Newt and Ripley would continue the Aliens story at its zenith. That's all I got.
Sure, but the time to have done that was between 1987 and 1991.
The ultimate would have been to have Jim Cameron write the script, and have Ridley Scott direct it.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 09:44:41 PM
I've always felt that the proportions of Stan Winston's Alien were always a bit, exaggerated, the hands, chest, arms and neck- so it's silouette more than anything would be a strange mix of shapes.
In full view I don't think it works.
I think Alien Isolation and Covenant have two of the best Alien representations personally.
Winston's suit is very context sensitive in a lot of ways. The pain scheme is very dependent on the floods of colored light put on it. The ridges are there to catch contrast, the construction of the stunt suits being as basic as they are only work with fog and back light, basically.
Isolation, definitely. I still prefer the humanoid legs though. Just because I prefer the Alien to be closer to a human in the physiological department.
Why are you putting a "best before" date on it? It's not eggs or something. Look how many years there were between Bladerunner films, and that sequel was awesome! Commercial success aside, it was one of the best sci-fi films of our generation. I have no doubt that a good director could still do great things with the trio.
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 09:27:18 PM
QuoteHonestly, why go so stupidly convoluted when Biehn is ready to reprise his role as Hicks?
'Cos Hicks is dead.
''Twas only a dream
A good director could do more with new characters rather than needlessly returning to dead ones.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
Isolation, definitely. I still prefer the humanoid legs though. Just because I prefer the Alien to be closer to a human in the physiological department.
I have mixed feels on the digitigrade legs, the ideal version for me would be humanoid legs that have an extra hidden joint so that the legs can move in the fashion they do in Isolation- but look unnervingly human almost like a broken bone.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 10:07:19 PM
Why are you putting a "best before" date on it? It's not eggs or something. Look how many years there were between Bladerunner films, and that sequel was awesome! Commercial success aside, it was one of the best sci-fi films of our generation. I have no doubt that a good director could still do great things with the trio.
Because the apogee you referred to only existed because of the creative team behind Aliens, both in front of the camera and behind it. If you want to maintain the zenith, you'd have to do it when those performers and those people could come back together and actually do it.
Deckard wasn't dead. Blade Runner 2049 didn't have to jump through hoops to explain things or outright ignore details of other entries. It could just pick up the threads and travel down the timeline some years.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 10:12:03 PM
I have mixed feels on the digitigrade legs, the ideal version for me would be humanoid legs that have an extra hidden joint so that the legs can move in the fashion they do in Isolation- but look unnervingly human almost like a broken bone.
Ooh, that's a terrifying idea.
I'm not big on a lot of the Prometheus or Covenant creature designs, but the one thing I liked about the deacon and the neomorph was the way their limbs seemed to be double jointed almost. Almost like they could just snap everything around and turn themselves around if they needed to.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 10:07:19 PM
Why are you putting a "best before" date on it? It's not eggs or something. Look how many years there were between Bladerunner films, and that sequel was awesome! Commercial success aside, it was one of the best sci-fi films of our generation. I have no doubt that a good director could still do great things with the trio.
Blade Runner had something going for it that the Alien movies have not had since the 90's. A good script. You can have all of the best actors, the best Director, and all the time and money in the world, and the movie will still be nothing but crap if the story sucks. Story is everything. It's the foundation of the entire film.
It also had a protagonist who wasn't dead.
I personally think the way was lost at Resurrection, not because of the humor or overall style of the film, but because they brought weaver back. Ripley was dead, it was done. Bringing her back felt like fan-service then and it would be even more-so now if N.B.'s film were made. In the alien universe, nobody is or should be safe.
The novels, the prequels, all of it has proven well enough that you don't need dead characters to be brought back to life just to have a good alien story. Let the dead lie.
Ripley wasn't safe. She died without even being given a chance to fight.
What was cloned was 'not her'.
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 10:37:37 PM
Ripley wasn't safe. She died without even being given a chance to fight.
What was cloned was 'not her'.
Quite. It was merely to continue the likeness of a dead character. Which I still think was a poor choice.
And the safe comment was also meant to include characters like Newt and Hicks. Who are most definitely dead, and shouldn't come back, in my opinion.
Now we're getting somewhere. Indeed A:R was a bad idea for the reasons mentioned above, and that will never change. But what will happen is that some day the prequels will be finished. We may get a movie about Isolation, but that will one day be finished too, as that story just leads back to Ripley. Then we will be faced with moving the films forward, and that will be a post A:R reality, which for the reasons you mentioned about, no one gives a f$&k about. So there's a chance that A:R may get retconned for something that makes more sense than literally resurrecting dead characters, just like the AVP films got retconned. If that happens, well then you might as well retcon Alien 3, since you'd already be taking films out of continuity.
Guys, I want the same thing you do, a vibrant, popular, thriving series with regular instalments. Does anyone here really believe that the series will be a success once the post A:R continuity films start to come in? Seriously?
You can still have stories set after Alien3. They just cant have the USM know about any of the encounters , then AR can stay canon. Might cheapen the story of AR but thats ok by me.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 11:21:39 PM
Guys, I want the same thing you do, a vibrant, popular, thriving series with regular instalments. Does anyone here really believe that the series will be a success once the post A:R continuity films start to come in? Seriously?
Heavens no. Having Sigourney playing Ripley 8 on earth, with aliens running everywhere would be a bit too jumping the shark for me. Ripley's character was that of a flawed human being, and a mother. A regular woman who endured the loss of everything and everyone that meant something to her. She may not have died in a straight-up fight, but she died stopping the Aliens from spreading elsewhere. She felt natural. No B.S. And she did her best under the circumstances.
Cloning her for nostalgia's sake and giving her acidic blood and super strength and all of that is not and (I would contend) was never the right choice. If anybody wants to continue that story past Original Sin (I believe was the novel), then I say have at it. But I hope it's not on film. We'll wind up with some people saying it was yet another "Return to form" and Weaver performance is "gritty and powerful" and "Alien is back". Then the numbers will roll in and all will go stagnant again. Mistakes were made. They were made with Resurrection, with AVP, with the prequels. We've been on the 40 miles of bad road. It's time to turn around and get back on the right exit. Ripley is dead. Newt and Hicks are dead. They're gone. There are no predators hunting aliens on earth, they don't exist. Gunnison is fine. And the space jockeys are not large fudds who worshipped giant stone heads.
Isolation was a proper step in the right direction. Maintain the spirit, but let the body go. Now we've had Amanda's story, and it was great. But I fail to believe that a company as large as Weyland-Yutani rested all its hopes for the xenomorph on the shoulders of one space tug crew, a handful of marines, and the Torrens. Or that they were bought out by Wal-Mart for heaven's sake. ;)
Honestly I love the idea that Weyland Yutani went back to LV426, recovered the remains of the derelict and -
Go from there. You could take it anywhere.
Do we have a firm numerical distance for the derelict in relation to the processor? It should have survived the blast.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 11:50:32 PM
Do we have a firm numerical distance for the derelict in relation to the processor? It should have survived the blast.
This is one of those "Where did the egg come from?" type of questions.
It's inferred because of Alien 3 and Resurrection that it was destroyed.
It also doesn't make sense that Ripley wouldn't try to ensure it was gone before getting back in the tubes.
(https://i.imgur.com/2Rm9oF5.jpg)
So i'd split the difference. The blast was big enough to destroy everything, but the Derelict was partially sheltered by nearby terrain. It weathered the blast, but was left unrecognizable from orbit.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 12:11:26 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 11:50:32 PM
Do we have a firm numerical distance for the derelict in relation to the processor? It should have survived the blast.
This is one of those "Where did the egg come from?" type of questions.
It's inferred because of Alien 3 and Resurrection that it was destroyed.
It also doesn't make sense that Ripley wouldn't try to ensure it was gone before getting back in the tubes.
(https://i.imgur.com/2Rm9oF5.jpg)
So i'd split the difference. The blast was big enough to destroy everything, but the Derelict was partially sheltered by nearby terrain. It weathered the blast, but was left unrecognizable from orbit.
Sounds about right to me. The eggs of course, should definitely be okay. Seeing as how the were underground. And the company should be aware of the grid reference. So finding them shouldn't be an issue. Even in a worst case scenario, it's only a matter of some digging. If Sallah and Indy can manage, so can Weyland Yutani.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 07, 2018, 11:32:31 PM
You can still have stories set after Alien3. They just cant have the USM know about any of the encounters , then AR can stay canon. Might cheapen the story of AR but thats ok by me.
Yes, except the ultimate story will still end up in the same place, with Weyland Yutani being bought out by Walmart. :laugh: Face it, A:R is a continuity destination nobody will ever touch in a film. A director would really have to just not care about his career. So A:R cannot survive in the canon. They jumped the shark with that one, and if we go down the road of retconning A:R, wll why not just do the same with Alien 3? Why go half-assed on something?
A film about Hicks, Newt and Ripley after Aliens, is not about resurrecting dead characters, A:R is about that subject. It's in the title. The Hicks, Newt, and Ripley story would be ignoring Alien 3 so those deaths never took place in continuity.
SM, if you want to use the logic that if a character is dead, like Hicks or Newt, they should be left dead, then surely you would prefer A:R to be decanonized right?
Actually you dont even have to include Weyland Yutani in any large capacity.
You can have stories go in other directions, other colonies, companies, derelicts.
They dont have to lead into AR. They have 200 years to work with. Also the walmart line was a deleted scene wasnt it?
You just try way to hard to make it seem like the only way to get a good alien film is to wipe out half the series and bring back dead characters. Thats just not the case unless you have no imagination.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 08, 2018, 12:47:43 AM
You just try way to hard to make it seem like the only way to get a good alien film is to wipe out half the series.
That's just not the case unless you have no imagination.
This, leave dead characters dead. Fictional or not.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 12:20:20 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 12:11:26 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 11:50:32 PM
Do we have a firm numerical distance for the derelict in relation to the processor? It should have survived the blast.
This is one of those "Where did the egg come from?" type of questions.
It's inferred because of Alien 3 and Resurrection that it was destroyed.
It also doesn't make sense that Ripley wouldn't try to ensure it was gone before getting back in the tubes.
(https://i.imgur.com/2Rm9oF5.jpg)
So i'd split the difference. The blast was big enough to destroy everything, but the Derelict was partially sheltered by nearby terrain. It weathered the blast, but was left unrecognizable from orbit.
Sounds about right to me. The eggs of course, should definitely be okay. Seeing as how the were underground. And the company should be aware of the grid reference. So finding them shouldn't be an issue. Even in a worst case scenario, it's only a matter of some digging. If Sallah and Indy can manage, so can Weyland Yutani.
There is no question in my mind that a good film could be made by exploring the derelict after Ripley's Barbeque, with or without Ripley, Hicks and Newt. It is the logical step to investigate those coordinates after the blast. There is no way that Derelict could be so close that it was destroyed by a blast radius of about 40km. That would mean the processing station was practically built beside the derelict. But to make such a movie would mean to automatically decanonize A:R regardless. If they were able to get a full alien from a drop of Ripley's blood, surely there must be enough DNA in the derelict even if all the eggs were dead, so automatically Alien: Resurrection does not make sense anymore, and if you have to decanonize something, again, why stop at one film and end up in the low point of the series again right after Alien 3? Why not just go back to the end of Aliens, in which case you still have characters that people know and love, and the derelict? Do you people really not want to see this film?
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 08, 2018, 12:51:14 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 08, 2018, 12:47:43 AM
You just try way to hard to make it seem like the only way to get a good alien film is to wipe out half the series.
That's just not the case unless you have no imagination.
This, leave dead characters dead. Fictional or not.
By that logic, you want to decanonize Alien: Resurrection right? Or are you going to contradict yourself?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 08, 2018, 12:53:25 AM
1. Why stop at one film and end up in the low point of the series again right after Alien 3?
2. Do you people really not want to see this film?
3. By that logic, you want to decanonize Alien: Resurrection right? Or are you going to contradict yourself?
1. Because A3 isn't a low point and deserves to stay canon, it ended the characters stories effectively.
In the same way GOT would enforce brutal but realistic death upon beloved characters because it's what the natural progression of the story is.
2. No, I really, really don't want to see Aliens: The Nuclear Family Returns, and neither should anyone else.
They don't deserve to return anymore than the crew of the Nostromo or Elizabeth Shaw does.
3. No, there's really no need to decanonize it.
It would be quite easy to make an Alien film with the set design, weapons, technology, tone of the first three films and simply set it after A:R.
I think bishop said the bast was the size of Nebraska, so yeah the derelict was meant to be destroyed by the blast. Even if it wasnt, Ripley wouldnt have left if the Derelict was still viable. She would have nuked the entire site from orbit.
Also Ripley and Ripley8 are not the same character so no, its not the same as actually bringing back Hicks, Newt, and Ripley.
Quite.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 11:21:39 PM
Now we're getting somewhere. Indeed A:R was a bad idea for the reasons mentioned above, and that will never change. But what will happen is that some day the prequels will be finished. We may get a movie about Isolation, but that will one day be finished too, as that story just leads back to Ripley. Then we will be faced with moving the films forward, and that will be a post A:R reality, which for the reasons you mentioned about, no one gives a f$&k about. So there's a chance that A:R may get retconned for something that makes more sense than literally resurrecting dead characters, just like the AVP films got retconned. If that happens, well then you might as well retcon Alien 3, since you'd already be taking films out of continuity.
Guys, I want the same thing you do, a vibrant, popular, thriving series with regular instalments. Does anyone here really believe that the series will be a success once the post A:R continuity films start to come in? Seriously?
I don't want the same thing you do.
But we're not getting a post-Resurrection movie nor an Isolation movie.
QuoteSM, if you want to use the logic that if a character is dead, like Hicks or Newt, they should be left dead, then surely you would prefer A:R to be decanonized right?
You know perfectly well those are two completely different things so take your desperately poor attempt at smart-arsery elsewhere.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 08, 2018, 02:21:20 AM
She would have nuked the entire site from orbit.
Hicks was out, and bishop was mangled. If she had to have a rifle (ol' point and shoot) explained to her, how is she going to know how to activate, target, and launch "Nucular" weapons? Especially one's which to her are from the future? ;)
There's no skill involved in pushing buttons.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 03:43:16 AM
There's no skill involved in pushing buttons.
Aha! but which buttons to push! ;D
Bishop can tell her.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 03:58:12 AM
Bishop can tell her.
I've got him now. ;D
I'd imagine Ripley wouldn't have the clearance needed to access and fire nuclear weapons. Even with a mutilated Bishop assisting. And he was in rather rough shape. Surely in the future, civilians and even advisers cannot access nuclear weapons onboard a military vessel?
Which makes it much more likely the Derelict was destroyed when the AP went up.
You think she's just gunna go home without 'wiping them out'?
Hell, she could prop Bishop into a chair and have him do it, Butler-style:
(https://i.imgur.com/vJOFEHi.jpg)
Damn... is Nebraska really only 80km across? :D
You'd think nuking the derelict where Kane got infected and the creature that killed her crew and friends came from, would be an important enough event for Ripley's character to include it in the movie.
My head canon says that the explosion set off a chain of massive volcanic eruptions all over planet and that's what destroyed the derelict.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 04:20:35 AM
My head canon says that the explosion set off a chain of massive volcanic eruptions all over planet and that's what destroyed the derelict.
Perhaps it propelled a smoking Hudson high into the air. Just saving him from a facehugger. He came down on the derelict. Blew straight through the ceiling, flew perfectly straight down the acid hole ;D slid down the curved wall and stopped right in front of the egg next to Kane's egg.
Actually, wasn't it stated somewhere that the AP was only one of many such structures on Acheron? I can't remember if that was in ADF's adaptation or where I might have heard it. So that could lead to a chain reaction and global annihilation. But I can't help but feel that Bishop would have mentioned that, if it were the case...
We don't need Isolation specifically to be made, but it showed us the right way forward in a number of ways to get the series back on track and away from the nonsense.
Hell, this could be a great way to make a series inspired off of Aliens: Labyrinth.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 08, 2018, 04:54:45 AM
Actually, wasn't it stated somewhere that the AP was only one of many such structures on Acheron? I can't remember if that was in ADF's adaptation or where I might have heard it. So that could lead to a chain reaction and global annihilation. But I can't help but feel that Bishop would have mentioned that, if it were the case...
It was in the adaption, and part of the original treatment, but it's not what the film depicts. The AP station is "the" AP station.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 04:17:40 AM
You'd think nuking the derelict where Kane got infected and the creature that killed her crew and friends came from, would be an important enough event for Ripley's character to include it in the movie.
Remember this bit?
EXT. STRATOSPHERE 188
The drop-ship lunges up and out of the cloud layer into
the clear high night. Below, the clouds light up from
beneath from horizon to horizon.
A SUN HOT DOME OF ENERGY bursts up through the cloud
layer, WHITING OUT THE FRAME. The tiny ship is slammed
by the shockwave, tossed forward...and climbs, scorched
but functioning, toward the stars.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 08, 2018, 04:54:45 AM
Actually, wasn't it stated somewhere that the AP was only one of many such structures on Acheron? I can't remember if that was in ADF's adaptation or where I might have heard it. So that could lead to a chain reaction and global annihilation. But I can't help but feel that Bishop would have mentioned that, if it were the case...
I seem to remember something along those lines in the audio drama of River of Pain. Didn't Draper blast Otto in another structure that was going Chernobyl?
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 04:59:00 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 04:17:40 AM
You'd think nuking the derelict where Kane got infected and the creature that killed her crew and friends came from, would be an important enough event for Ripley's character to include it in the movie.
Remember this bit?
EXT. STRATOSPHERE 188
The drop-ship lunges up and out of the cloud layer into
the clear high night. Below, the clouds light up from
beneath from horizon to horizon.
A SUN HOT DOME OF ENERGY bursts up through the cloud
layer, WHITING OUT THE FRAME. The tiny ship is slammed
by the shockwave, tossed forward...and climbs, scorched
but functioning, toward the stars.
The processor blowing? Yessir. I didn't notice chunks of the derelict flying past the dropship though.
So Cameron gave his audience too much credit to work it out for themselves?
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 05:08:49 AM
So Cameron gave his audience too much credit to work it out for themselves?
Everybody knows that Cameron is a hack fraud.
Were it not included in the A.P. explosion, adding another scene of Ripley nuking the derelict would've added too much to an already lengthy film and an already perfect ending. Or he just forgot that whole angle, hey, he's still human. Maybe he left that open to interpretation so he could use it the next movie, were he able to do so.
Honestly, I think it's one of those things where you just have to decide for yourself. It wasn't exactly close enough to be flattened. If it did catch some kind of blast wave, it may have been scorched and slightly damaged, but not enough to completely destroy it. It may be covered by debris or fallout. Structurally weakened and maybe some decent damage here and there. But I personally think the lion's share of the ship survived, and the eggs underground did most definitely. The derelict can be blown to bits, but that doesn't do anything about those eggs down in the cavern. And who knows how far those go? There may be more than 2,000. They may go on for miles. And deeper underground too.
If it was to be used in the next film - why did none of the myriad scripts so much as mention it, never mind exploit it?
As far as all were concerned - Ripley was not a moron who just forgot about it.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 05:21:52 AM
If it was to be used in the next film - why did none of the myriad scripts so much as mention it, never mind exploit it?
As far as all were concerned - Ripley was not a moron who just forgot about it.
Never said she was. Perhaps she too just assumed it was toast, and went on with her life.
It's possible for a human being to go through all kinds of hell, and simply forget things that are important to them. Ripley just saved her new daughter, survived the hive, the queen fight, and all that other mess since the moment Burke chucked the facehuggers in with her. Then she had to get everybody including bishop into cryo. I imagine she was rather exhausted and happy to be alive with her new family by that point. A normal person could very well overlook all kinds of things after that.
I don't think the AP destroyed any eggs though. So it's basically mission unaccomplished. But it leaves opportunities for future movies.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
I don't think the AP destroyed any eggs though. So it's basically mission unaccomplished.
If Cameron were a serious film maker he would have ended the movie the right way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-Nw3bEASY
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 05:46:15 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
I don't think the AP destroyed any eggs though. So it's basically mission unaccomplished.
If Cameron were a serious film maker he would have ended the movie the right way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRoXxVr5RK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-Nw3bEASY
Well, the eggs under the derelict that is. Any eggs under the AP obviously got alittle...scrambled. ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 05:21:52 AM
If it was to be used in the next film - why did none of the myriad scripts so much as mention it, never mind exploit it?
As far as all were concerned - Ripley was not a moron who just forgot about it.
Never said she was. Perhaps she too just assumed it was toast, and went on with her life.
It's possible for a human being to go through all kinds of hell, and simply forget things that are important to them. Ripley just saved her new daughter, survived the hive, the queen fight, and all that other mess since the moment Burke chucked the facehuggers in with her. Then she had to get everybody including bishop into cryo. I imagine she was rather exhausted and happy to be alive with her new family by that point. A normal person could very well overlook all kinds of things after that.
I don't think the AP destroyed any eggs though. So it's basically mission unaccomplished. But it leaves opportunities for future movies.
So we've gone from 'we're going there to wipe them out', to 'nuke the entire site from orbit', to 'oh, I'm sure there's no more Aliens, and I'm not going to bother to check lol'.
:laugh:
I'm perfectly content with the idea that LV-426 is now completely barren and nothing survived.
After the events of Aliens & A3 that strain of Alien is completely gone, unless the Torrens didn't simply shut down and everything aboard it eventually froze.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 06:25:22 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 05:21:52 AM
If it was to be used in the next film - why did none of the myriad scripts so much as mention it, never mind exploit it?
As far as all were concerned - Ripley was not a moron who just forgot about it.
Never said she was. Perhaps she too just assumed it was toast, and went on with her life.
It's possible for a human being to go through all kinds of hell, and simply forget things that are important to them. Ripley just saved her new daughter, survived the hive, the queen fight, and all that other mess since the moment Burke chucked the facehuggers in with her. Then she had to get everybody including bishop into cryo. I imagine she was rather exhausted and happy to be alive with her new family by that point. A normal person could very well overlook all kinds of things after that.
I don't think the AP destroyed any eggs though. So it's basically mission unaccomplished. But it leaves opportunities for future movies.
So we've gone from 'we're going there to wipe them out', to 'nuke the entire site from orbit', to 'oh, I'm sure there's no more Aliens, and I'm not going to bother to check lol'.
:laugh:
The way the movie rolls, the AP goes up, she fights the queen and then it's bed time. The derelict is never shown to be destroyed, nor is it mentioned. Seeing as how that was the source of all the death from the first movie, Ripley's ptsd, and the eggs that caused the outbreak at Hadley's Hope, I just always wondered why it was never addressed. Wherever that derelict was, it was far enough out that Newts family had to drive to it. Do I personally think it survived? Yeah, mostly. Although it looked like it had decayed somewhat since the first film, which could have made it less structurally sound.
Does the fact that it's not addressed in the movie mean it wasn't destroyed? No, I suppose not.
I just think it's destruction is too important an event not to be mentioned or shown. Even if she would've asked Bishop to scan the area, it would've helped. But there's nothing. So either Ripley just assumed it was gone with the processor, or it was on oversight by Cameron. I'm inclined to think it was an oversight. Big boom, everything must be gone.
Well, I personally don't think so. Likely not the eggs underground. So yeah, Ripley saw the death of all the grown xenomorphs. But she also missed the egg on the sulaco that got everybody killed. A moron? absolutely not. Human? Absolutely.
Like I said, the movie shows us what Cameron wanted us to see. A big boom, the queen fight, then lights out. Unless it's directly addressed on film, it's all up in the air. Seeing is believing.
We've only seen a portion of a large underground cavern. Who knows how big that cavern is? Where it goes? Or how many other eggs or even creatures there are down there?
Did she really "wipe them out?" I honestly think the odds are on the low side.
And all of this is leaving out the fact that (as much as I can't stand it) the colony survived the explosion in A:CM. Which has been sold as canon. So if it can survive at that range, I'd guarantee the derelict did.
Huggs, do you really think that anyone at Fox gives two flying f**ks what A:CM said?
"Ooh, aw, canon." Canon is such a fluid and broad thing that changes all the time, and most of the people who get hung up on it can't even spell it right.
Look at how badly Covenant risks completely screwing the canon of the entire series. Cut to a few years from now when they make another film in the series or reboot the thing and all of that goes out the window.
I actually love the idea of the company not having the coordinates on file, and after Alien 3 they go back to LV-426 and spend years and lot's of money searching for the right place. Just some of the visuals, having them excavate the whole thing out, defusing it from the rock.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 07:10:38 AM
Huggs, do you really think that anyone at Fox gives two flying f**ks what A:CM said?
Heck no. The only canon I give that game is the one I'd shoot it out of.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 07:10:38 AM
I actually love the idea of the company not having the coordinates on file, and after Alien 3 they go back to LV-426 and spend years and lot's of money searching for the right place. Just some of the visuals, having them excavate the whole thing out, defusing it from the rock.
I'm starting to wonder if that's the direction N.B. was going to go with his movie. The company going back in some years after the explosion and then having to find everything, and crap going south. Finally letting them get what they asked for.
It probably wasn't, but I do love that idea. And I'd love to see a movie like that done in the 60's or 70's style. Like Jaws or Towering Inferno. Focusing more on the actual dialogue and work of the characters. Those old movies had an eye for detail. Doing it today, I'd be concerned about studios wanting the pace increased. Give me a slow burning inquiry, a scientific endeavor with lots of interesting things to see and learn before the s.h.t.f. Give me actual intelligent people universally excited about what they're doing and seeing, oblivious to the hell they will eventually unleash.
Disclaimer: And I don't mean like the prequels. Where we have scientists that make unintelligent decisions and overall we basically learn nothing important.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 06:44:54 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 06:25:22 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 05:21:52 AM
If it was to be used in the next film - why did none of the myriad scripts so much as mention it, never mind exploit it?
As far as all were concerned - Ripley was not a moron who just forgot about it.
Never said she was. Perhaps she too just assumed it was toast, and went on with her life.
It's possible for a human being to go through all kinds of hell, and simply forget things that are important to them. Ripley just saved her new daughter, survived the hive, the queen fight, and all that other mess since the moment Burke chucked the facehuggers in with her. Then she had to get everybody including bishop into cryo. I imagine she was rather exhausted and happy to be alive with her new family by that point. A normal person could very well overlook all kinds of things after that.
I don't think the AP destroyed any eggs though. So it's basically mission unaccomplished. But it leaves opportunities for future movies.
So we've gone from 'we're going there to wipe them out', to 'nuke the entire site from orbit', to 'oh, I'm sure there's no more Aliens, and I'm not going to bother to check lol'.
:laugh:
The way the movie rolls, the AP goes up, she fights the queen and then it's bed time. The derelict is never shown to be destroyed, nor is it mentioned. Seeing as how that was the source of all the death from the first movie, Ripley's ptsd, and the eggs that caused the outbreak at Hadley's Hope, I just always wondered why it was never addressed. Wherever that derelict was, it was far enough out that Newts family had to drive to it. Do I personally think it survived? Yeah, mostly. Although it looked like it had decayed somewhat since the first film, which could have made it less structurally sound.
Does the fact that it's not addressed in the movie mean it wasn't destroyed? No, I suppose not.
I just think it's destruction is too important an event not to be mentioned or shown. Even if she would've asked Bishop to scan the area, it would've helped. But there's nothing. So either Ripley just assumed it was gone with the processor, or it was on oversight by Cameron. I'm inclined to think it was an oversight. Big boom, everything must be gone.
Well, I personally don't think so. Likely not the eggs underground. So yeah, Ripley saw the death of all the grown xenomorphs. But she also missed the egg on the sulaco that got everybody killed. A moron? absolutely not. Human? Absolutely.
Like I said, the movie shows us what Cameron wanted us to see. A big boom, the queen fight, then lights out. Unless it's directly addressed on film, it's all up in the air. Seeing is believing.
We've only seen a portion of a large underground cavern. Who knows how big that cavern is? Where it goes? Or how many other eggs or even creatures there are down there?
Did she really "wipe them out?" I honestly think the odds are on the low side.
And all of this is leaving out the fact that (as much as I can't stand it) the colony survived the explosion in A:CM. Which has been sold as canon. So if it can survive at that range, I'd guarantee the derelict did.
The most generous word for the justification that Ripley forgot is 'ludicrous'.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 06:44:54 AM
We've only seen a portion of a large underground cavern. Who knows how big that cavern is? Where it goes? Or how many other eggs or even creatures there are down there?
Assuming it is a cavern and not the cargo hold of the Derelict, which is what it actually looks like given the perfect round shape of it..
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And all of this is leaving out the fact that (as much as I can't stand it) the colony survived the explosion in A:CM. Which has been sold as canon. So if it can survive at that range, I'd guarantee the derelict did.
That game was a bad joke with so much inaccuracies, Fox likely doesn't considered it canon. The devs may have spouted it as such before the release, but its not the case now me thinks, so take relief in that :laugh:
It ain't canon.
I thought LV426 was destroyed when the Atmosphere processor went ka-boom...
The colony, Hadley's Hope, was, but the moon still exists.
Though in Alien Trilogy they decided to blow the whole planet up at the end of the game. :laugh:
CANON!!
"Nebraska extends about 415 mi (668 km) E-W and 205 mi (330 km) N-S."
In case anyone was wondering how big Nebraska actually is.
Since at this point the discussion has broken down into typical off-topic trivia, I'm going to tempt it back on track by blaspheming in the worst possible way: A TV series would be the ideal format to reboot the entire franchise!
F*ckin' hey! Talk about nuking the entire site from orbit. How could I say such a thing?
Probably because I'm not as big a fan as many of you are. I just like the movies. I don't read the novels or comics, I don't cosplay in my very own USCM battle gear, and I don't have any NECA toys.
But I think that makes me open minded because I'm less wedded to what's gone before. For example, I like Sigourney Weaver's acting and she deserves her Oscar nomination, but you know what? Her name on the marquis has never been a big enough draw to get me into a theatre all on its own. Not like, say, Harrison Ford's, or Meryl Streep's, or Charlize Theron's, or a dozen other actors' names.
Think about Mad Max. Not so long ago Mel Gibson was the only person imaginable in that role, but I watched Fury Road and what I saw was Tom Hardy doing the business and doing it well. And I love the Shatner/Nimoy Star Treks, especially the movies, but I also enjoy the Pine/Quinto reboots; I have no problem separating old and new and enjoying both. And the Battlestar Galactica reboot was good, intelligent drama and even improved on the original (although that was probably an easy win).
My point is that a reboot doesn't necessarily mean sh*ting on the original. Nor does it mean banishing them from history. The Hannibal TV show worked. And there's a TV show called The Exorcist playing on a screen in front of me right now as I type.
But what would a TV series reboot gain?
It would give you the opportunity to smooth over all the joins and lay out a cohesive saga from beginning to end.
I would even integrate some of Prometheus/Covenant into the series, but instead of letting it sit on the front like Michael Jackson's mismatched nose, I would mix it into the series as a parallel storyline concurrent with the tale of Nostromo-Hadley's Hope. In fact, I might even make Fiorina a third parallel storyline swapping in a different character in place of Ripley (maybe Daniels). Modern long-form serials like to use parallel storylines, often criss-crossing in places.
So with advanced planning via a master story bible, characters and plotlines can be introduced at appropriate times and retired with satisfying closures. The franchise as it currently exists was built as an ad hoc series of bolt-on stories, and that's no way to create a coherent drama.
TC
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 08, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
"Nebraska extends about 415 mi (668 km) E-W and 205 mi (330 km) N-S."
In case anyone was wondering how big Nebraska actually is.
Ann Crispin mentions that there was a 19 mega hectare crater on LV-426 in the Resurrection novelisation. Nebraska is 20 mega hectares in size.
Good guess by Bishop.
Yeah, the the Derelict would be long gone after such an explosion.
Quote from: TC on Jul 08, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
Since at this point the discussion has broken down into typical off-topic trivia, I'm going to tempt it back on track by blaspheming in the worst possible way: A TV series would be the ideal format to reboot the entire franchise!
F*ckin' hey! Talk about nuking the entire site from orbit. How could I say such a thing?
Probably because I'm not as big a fan as many of you are. I just like the movies. I don't read the novels or comics, I don't cosplay in my very own USCM battle gear, and I don't have any NECA toys.
But I think that makes me open minded because I'm less wedded to what's gone before. For example, I like Sigourney Weaver's acting and she deserves her Oscar nomination, but you know what? Her name on the marquis has never been a big enough draw to get me into a theatre all on its own. Not like, say, Harrison Ford's, or Meryl Streep's, or Charlize Theron's, or a dozen other actors' names.
Think about Mad Max. Not so long ago Mel Gibson was the only person imaginable in that role, but I watched Fury Road and what I saw was Tom Hardy doing the business and doing it well. And I love the Shatner/Nimoy Star Treks, especially the movies, but I also enjoy the Pine/Quinto reboots; I have no problem separating old and new and enjoying both. And the Battlestar Galactica reboot was good, intelligent drama and even improved on the original (although that was probably an easy win).
My point is that a reboot doesn't necessarily mean sh*ting on the original. Nor does it mean banishing them from history. The Hannibal TV show worked. And there's a TV show called The Exorcist playing on a screen in front of me right now as I type.
But what would a TV series reboot gain?
It would give you the opportunity to smooth over all the joins and lay out a cohesive saga from beginning to end.
I would even integrate some of Prometheus/Covenant into the series, but instead of letting it sit on the front like Michael Jackson's mismatched nose, I would mix it into the series as a parallel storyline concurrent with the tale of Nostromo-Hadley's Hope. In fact, I might even make Fiorina a third parallel storyline swapping in a different character in place of Ripley (maybe Daniels). Modern long-form serials like to use parallel storylines, often criss-crossing in places.
So with advanced planning via a master story bible, characters and plotlines can be introduced at appropriate times and retired with satisfying closures. The franchise as it currently exists was built as an ad hoc series of bolt-on stories, and that's no way to create a coherent drama.
TC
You don't even need to be just a casual viewer/movie fan to be open minded, you just need to be rational and capable of being objective. I myself am big fan of the series but I don't think they should be following Ripley all the time, have marines and pulse rifles, nor do I think they should resurrect Hicks and Newt, I am open to it but I think what is done is done and Hicks and Newt's deaths aside, Ripley's death was great, her story was wrapped up.
Obviously I have my pet peeves about things like any other fan, like what I moan about is the damn prequels, not because I don't think they shouldn't focus on the Engineers or that there shouldn't be a new story because I tabsolutely hink they should focus on a new story, it just the over the top fantasy grandiose stuff along with the continuity snarls that bothers me, not to mention the insult to the audience's intelligence by expecting us to take the stupidity on screen seriously. David creating the Xenomorphs is another thing I hate but unless somewhere down the line the orgins gets rebooted, nothing we can do about that except hope that Scott changes his mind (again).
Hardcore vs. Casual: Three Thread War
Quote from: TC on Jul 08, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
Since at this point the discussion has broken down into typical off-topic trivia, I'm going to tempt it back on track by blaspheming in the worst possible way: A TV series would be the ideal format to reboot the entire franchise!
F*ckin' hey! Talk about nuking the entire site from orbit. How could I say such a thing?
Probably because I'm not as big a fan as many of you are. I just like the movies. I don't read the novels or comics, I don't cosplay in my very own USCM battle gear, and I don't have any NECA toys.
But I think that makes me open minded because I'm less wedded to what's gone before. For example, I like Sigourney Weaver's acting and she deserves her Oscar nomination, but you know what? Her name on the marquis has never been a big enough draw to get me into a theatre all on its own. Not like, say, Harrison Ford's, or Meryl Streep's, or Charlize Theron's, or a dozen other actors' names.
Think about Mad Max. Not so long ago Mel Gibson was the only person imaginable in that role, but I watched Fury Road and what I saw was Tom Hardy doing the business and doing it well. And I love the Shatner/Nimoy Star Treks, especially the movies, but I also enjoy the Pine/Quinto reboots; I have no problem separating old and new and enjoying both. And the Battlestar Galactica reboot was good, intelligent drama and even improved on the original (although that was probably an easy win).
My point is that a reboot doesn't necessarily mean sh*ting on the original. Nor does it mean banishing them from history. The Hannibal TV show worked. And there's a TV show called The Exorcist playing on a screen in front of me right now as I type.
But what would a TV series reboot gain?
It would give you the opportunity to smooth over all the joins and lay out a cohesive saga from beginning to end.
I would even integrate some of Prometheus/Covenant into the series, but instead of letting it sit on the front like Michael Jackson's mismatched nose, I would mix it into the series as a parallel storyline concurrent with the tale of Nostromo-Hadley's Hope. In fact, I might even make Fiorina a third parallel storyline swapping in a different character in place of Ripley (maybe Daniels). Modern long-form serials like to use parallel storylines, often criss-crossing in places.
So with advanced planning via a master story bible, characters and plotlines can be introduced at appropriate times and retired with satisfying closures. The franchise as it currently exists was built as an ad hoc series of bolt-on stories, and that's no way to create a coherent drama.
TC
Remaking the existing material sounds pretty pointless.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 02:22:18 AM
Quite.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 11:21:39 PM
Now we're getting somewhere. Indeed A:R was a bad idea for the reasons mentioned above, and that will never change. But what will happen is that some day the prequels will be finished. We may get a movie about Isolation, but that will one day be finished too, as that story just leads back to Ripley. Then we will be faced with moving the films forward, and that will be a post A:R reality, which for the reasons you mentioned about, no one gives a f$&k about. So there's a chance that A:R may get retconned for something that makes more sense than literally resurrecting dead characters, just like the AVP films got retconned. If that happens, well then you might as well retcon Alien 3, since you'd already be taking films out of continuity.
Guys, I want the same thing you do, a vibrant, popular, thriving series with regular instalments. Does anyone here really believe that the series will be a success once the post A:R continuity films start to come in? Seriously?
I don't want the same thing you do.
But we're not getting a post-Resurrection movie nor an Isolation movie.
QuoteSM, if you want to use the logic that if a character is dead, like Hicks or Newt, they should be left dead, then surely you would prefer A:R to be decanonized right?
You know perfectly well those are two completely different things so take your desperately poor attempt at smart-arsery elsewhere.
The minute your logic fails you start to mouth off life like that? Lots of class SM. But I guess that's not the first time you spout off your smug attitude at other forum members. Check yourself.
The most generous word for the justification that Ripley forgot is 'ludicrous'.
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Maybe Bishop told her it was destroyed.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 08, 2018, 03:18:25 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 02:22:18 AM
Quite.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2018, 11:21:39 PM
Now we're getting somewhere. Indeed A:R was a bad idea for the reasons mentioned above, and that will never change. But what will happen is that some day the prequels will be finished. We may get a movie about Isolation, but that will one day be finished too, as that story just leads back to Ripley. Then we will be faced with moving the films forward, and that will be a post A:R reality, which for the reasons you mentioned about, no one gives a f$&k about. So there's a chance that A:R may get retconned for something that makes more sense than literally resurrecting dead characters, just like the AVP films got retconned. If that happens, well then you might as well retcon Alien 3, since you'd already be taking films out of continuity.
Guys, I want the same thing you do, a vibrant, popular, thriving series with regular instalments. Does anyone here really believe that the series will be a success once the post A:R continuity films start to come in? Seriously?
I don't want the same thing you do.
But we're not getting a post-Resurrection movie nor an Isolation movie.
QuoteSM, if you want to use the logic that if a character is dead, like Hicks or Newt, they should be left dead, then surely you would prefer A:R to be decanonized right?
You know perfectly well those are two completely different things so take your desperately poor attempt at smart-arsery elsewhere.
The minute your logic fails you start to mouth off life like that? Lots of class SM. But I guess that's not the first time you spout off your smug attitude at other forum members. Check yourself.
The most generous word for the justification that Ripley forgot is 'ludicrous'.
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Maybe Bishop told her it was destroyed.
Already stated that Ripley and Ripley8 are two different characters. He's probably just annoyed that you just ignore the logic, rather than the logic itself failing.
Also see the size of nebraska, which is the size of the crater. The Derelict is gone, as was the intention of the film.
Aliens 90210!
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 08, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
...it just the over the top fantasy grandiose stuff along with the continuity snarls that bothers me...
Scott more or less acknowledged he was creating a new franchise with a new look and feel when in his pre-release spiel for Prometheus he said it was unrelated to Alien except for setting. Clearly he could foresee alot of confused and disapointed Alien fans, and was attempting to head that off by "positioning" the audience. A saga-wide reboot would enable consistency of tone.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 08, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
... David creating the Xenomorphs is another thing I hate but unless somewhere down the line the orgins gets rebooted, nothing we can do about that except hope that Scott changes his mind (again).
The prequels actually feel like a kind of spin-off to me, to the point where I can easily conceptualize them as a kind of "alternative history". But I can understand why a die-hard fan feels betrayed by Scott if they get a whiff of that. Everything must be canon!
Personally, I would forego the entire "Chariots of the Gods" premise which holds zero appeal to me and seems quite out of keeping with the Alien 'verse, but I think David as mad-android-scientist could be integrated into a reboot quite well. (Although I think there's more story mileage in maintaining the xeno's origins as far more ancient and mysterious, such that it would require characters to travel ever further into uncharted areas of the galaxy in pursuit of them.)
TC
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 08, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
Aliens 90210!
Or Aliens: North by Southwest.
A two episode mad-for-tv movie about an easily confused man with a bad sense of direction who just happens to resemble Hudson. He is spotted by the company, and targeted for assassination. Think of it as an old school slapstick comedy set on gateway station.
As SM said, remaking existing content is pointless- this is not the Sigourney Weaver series, the title character is not Ellen Ripley as it is with Mad Max.
Do something new.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 02:30:44 PM
Remaking the existing material sounds pretty pointless.
Yes. There would need to be substantial changes. I would keep key characters (and others would be recycled. e.g. 'Starbuck' from Galactica of old to new), and most importantly the setting should remain as is (what I really mean is the emphasis on the blue-collar mileiu). But plotlines would need to be remapped and adapted.
But I wouldn't get too hung up on repeating certain ideas (like the xeno life cycle), or a few key plot points. For example, we would know in advance bad things are going to happen to the Nostromo crew once it lands on the planet.
BTW (and this next bit is not for the faint hearted) I would probably want to give the xenos a redesign. :o
I think you might also find that the further you got into the story, the more liberties you'd end up taking with the plots. For example, I'd be inclined to return the prison colony back to a bunch of monks and even remove the xeno from their midst entirely (because as a TV show not every episode needs to feature the xeno). Maybe I'd stick a bunch of creepy Working Joes in the basement, the way the Cybermen used be revealed in the old Tom Baker era
Doctor Whos. LOL
TC
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 06:25:22 AM
So we've gone from 'we're going there to wipe them out', to 'nuke the entire site from orbit', to 'oh, I'm sure there's no more Aliens, and I'm not going to bother to check lol'.
:laugh:
To me, that's even more laughable than expecting Ripley to search the Sulaco from stem to stern for a stowaway egg.
Quote from: TC on Jul 08, 2018, 05:08:28 PM
BTW (and this next bit is not for the faint hearted) I would probably want to give the xenos a redesign. :o
Haven't they all been redesigned just alittle different for every movie? Colors, head design, etc.
What kind of redesign are we talkin' about here then? Like a structural redesign?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 06:25:22 AM
So we've gone from 'we're going there to wipe them out', to 'nuke the entire site from orbit', to 'oh, I'm sure there's no more Aliens, and I'm not going to bother to check lol'.
:laugh:
To me, that's even more laughable than expecting Ripley to search the Sulaco from stem to stern for a stowaway egg.
Nobody had to physically search for anything. You mean to tell me the covenant can detect unidentified life forms on it's own, and inform the captain and crew. But the Sulaco (a military vessel built all those years later with undoubtedly more advanced technology) can't detect a biological anomaly the size of a facehugger egg?
Wasn't the facehugger heard scurrying at the end of the film? It kind of sounds like somebody on that boat wasn't paying close enough attention.
This is why I hate prequels.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
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What kind of redesign are we talkin' about here then? Like a structural redesign?
I was thinking something more along the likes of Sil from
Species.
TC
EDIT: Yikes! Trying to type messages on this dinky little phone is killing me.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 05:23:42 PM
This is why I hate prequels.
Even discounting the age the prequels were made. It still makes no sense for the original films to say
"We can have giant space ships that do all this magical stuff, and have all this advanced technology. And cryo tubes that keep you ageless for almost 60 years, but we don't have the technology to detect a biological contaminant the size of Vern Troyer".
All it would've taken, was a 30 second scene where she and bishop are at a terminal. As the camera slowly moves, the dialogue goes something like this.
It's done
You're sure?
Yes. The damage appears to have been total.
And the Alien ship?
Gone. (some jargon about depth of blast penetration and heat intensity)
And the ship is clean?
All scans over the last 24 hours have come up negative. If there were something still here with us, the computer would've found it. We're safe Ripley.
We see the weight fall off Ripley's shoulders. She's avenged her crew, eliminated the aliens forever, and has a chance at a new life. Fade into the cryo scene. That's all it would've took.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 05:23:42 PM
This is why I hate prequels.
Even discounting the age the prequels were made. It still makes no sense for the original films to say
"We can have giant space ships that do all this magical stuff, and have all this advanced technology. And cryo tubes that keep you ageless for almost 60 years, but we don't have the technology to detect a biological contaminant the size of Vern Troyer".
Apparently not. The first two movies established this pretty well, I'd say.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 06:53:09 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 05:23:42 PM
This is why I hate prequels.
Even discounting the age the prequels were made. It still makes no sense for the original films to say
"We can have giant space ships that do all this magical stuff, and have all this advanced technology. And cryo tubes that keep you ageless for almost 60 years, but we don't have the technology to detect a biological contaminant the size of Vern Troyer".
Apparently not. The first two movies established this pretty well, I'd say.
You know, I can see it being the case on a space tug like the nostromo. But a military vessel like the Sulaco lacking such features is a bit of a hard sell. Of course, there has to be room sequels, so sometimes thoroughness has to take a day off I suppose.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 06:25:22 AM
So we've gone from 'we're going there to wipe them out', to 'nuke the entire site from orbit', to 'oh, I'm sure there's no more Aliens, and I'm not going to bother to check lol'.
:laugh:
To me, that's even more laughable than expecting Ripley to search the Sulaco from stem to stern for a stowaway egg.
Especially when there's only one place there possibly could have been an egg...
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 08, 2018, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 06:25:22 AM
So we've gone from 'we're going there to wipe them out', to 'nuke the entire site from orbit', to 'oh, I'm sure there's no more Aliens, and I'm not going to bother to check lol'.
:laugh:
To me, that's even more laughable than expecting Ripley to search the Sulaco from stem to stern for a stowaway egg.
Especially when there's only one place there possibly could have been an egg...
It was Hudson. He was with them...all the way.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 05:13:34 PM
To me, that's even more laughable than expecting Ripley to search the Sulaco from stem to stern for a stowaway egg.
I mean, i'd assume Sulaco's military grade internal sensors would detect something like as, at least, an anomaly.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 06:53:09 PM
Apparently not. The first two movies established this pretty well, I'd say.
AH! Nope. Nostromo's internal sensors were down on B and C decks. That's why they couldn't track it. That shit was broke when they landed.
I've come to strongly despise remakes and prequels. It's fine when every now and again we get a really well done remake that was done with a really solid idea behind it. Like David Cronenberg's The Fly. That's a great remake. Or John Carpenter's The Thing. That's another great remake. Well written, well performed, well executed.
The Alien series does not need a reboot. It just needs to withdraw from the current threads its ebbing into and go back to it's roots, and re-sprout on more fertile ground.
I reiterate I think something
like the fall of Sevastopol, or the exploits of Dr. Church from Aliens: Labyrinth would be a great starting point.
What "sensors?" They had cameras.
Keep in mind, the marines had infrared visors and motion trackers. That's all. No fancy Mr. Spock tricorders that could "detect lifeforms."
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 08:09:50 PM
What "sensors?" They had cameras.
How do we know
that? All Ripley says is that they were blind on B and C decks. That doesn't necessarily mean we're talking about just cameras.
I highly doubt they were planning to use camera's to track the alien when the idea of tracking it was brought up, especially since they knew it was using the air vents to move around and i'm certain those things don't have cameras all over the place.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 08:09:50 PM
Keep in mind, the marines had infrared visors and motion trackers. That's all. No fancy Mr. Spock tricorders that could "detect lifeforms."
That's a whole other ball of wax. Trying to make an omni-tool that is man portable is difficult to say the least. But having a network of sensors integrated into a ship? Especially with the potential for boarding actions, stowaways, intruders? They had something.
This will no doubt end up being made for Disney's streaming service, if it isnt already being placed there. Id wager that this rumor began as Disney considered what IPs it will land with a Fox Merger.
I have zero insider info but it should be noted that Disney has no less than 3 streaming services for different age groups planned
and if it intends to compete with Netflix, Disney will quickly realize and Aliens series has the built in audience to do so.
This should be good news for everybody as this franchise no longer has the ability to please all of its fans in the film format, because it created so many loose ends by telling so many unsatisfying stories, arguably since Alien 3. The only place you can land an attenpt at all of it at this point, is via a mini-series format. Which is what this will be.
Callling it now.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 08:17:14 PM
How do we know that? All Ripley says is that they were blind on B and C decks. That doesn't necessarily mean we're talking about just cameras.
Why not? The marines didn't have anything like what you're suggesting 57 years later when they were sent on a mission specifically for the purpose of hunting down these elusive lifeforms. Why didn't they just scan the planet from orbit and find the hive that way? That's what the Enterprise would do.
So they use terms like bug hunt, yet don't have the requisite capabilities to detect non-human life onboard their own ship?
Where's the contradiction?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 08:24:29 PM
Where's the contradiction?
It appears that they've encountered non human life of a hostile nature before. That they wouldn't have the necessary equipment to detect unknown species onboard the actual ship is ridiculous. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. It's kind of what the military does.
It's like a professional mechanic saying "is this gonna be another automotive problem?" Yet it really is an issue with the vacuum lines and all they've got at the shop is an impact wrench, a box of toothpicks, and a telephone book. But they've got no diagnostic tools whatsoever to help them locate the problem. That they don't have any, is ridiculous.
They do have the equipment. They have infrared visors, motion trackers and lots of weapons.
Just because modern doctors don't have "dermal regenerators" doesn't mean they can't treat flesh wounds.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 08:35:34 PM
They do have the equipment. They have infrared visors, motion trackers and lots of weapons.
Just because modern doctors don't have "dermal regenerators" doesn't mean they can't treat flesh wounds.
I hear what you're sayin L.T. And I see where you're coming from. My point is merely that Hudson's comment about bug hunts clearly indicates the military is aware of non human threats.
The very mission they were on was a possible non human threat. And they all probably saw Ripley's report that Gorman said to view. You'd think there would be safeguards put in place to detect such invasive and hostile life forms before they left the ship. They had Ripley and all her information. They knew about the eggs, about everything. How was the hardware not at least recalibrated or set to take such possibilities into account?
They did not go into this blind like the Nostromo.
Well if the flight recorder is any indication, the ship did detect non-human life forms, it just didn't report it or wake up the crew up as in an emergency.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 08:44:02 PMHow was the hardware not at least recalibrated or set to take such possibilities into account?
Recalibrate
what? The aliens didn't show up on infrared. The marines discovered that in the nest. The aliens DO show up on motion trackers, but their eggs don't move until they hatch. They're not invisible, so even basic video cameras can see them. However, even cameras can only see whatever is in their field of view.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 08, 2018, 08:47:11 PM
Well if the flight recorder is any indication, the ship did detect non-human life forms, it just didn't report it or wake up the crew up as in an emergency.
The neuroscan of the facehugger impregnating one of the passengers would have been enough to determine that.
If ash can cobble together something that can be "set" to search for a moving object, then surely something could've been done to existing equipment 60 years more advanced. Even though the technology should've been there already. Seeing as how they should've known full well what they were dealing with from Ripley's report. And again, they are familiar with "Bug Hunts".
If one got onboard the Narcissus, they can get onboard a dropship. And they did. A Queen did. How was that even missed? What kind of flintsone operation were they runnin' here?
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 08, 2018, 08:47:11 PM
Well if the flight recorder is any indication, the ship did detect non-human life forms, it just didn't report it or wake up the crew up as in an emergency.
Bingo.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 08, 2018, 08:47:11 PM
Well if the flight recorder is any indication, the ship did detect non-human life forms, it just didn't report it or wake up the crew up as in an emergency.
Bingo.
I always knew Microsoft Sam had that villainous tone for a reason.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 09:20:03 PM
I always knew Microsoft Sam had that villainous tone for a reason.
It looks like you've been impregnated by an alien organism. Would you like some help with that?
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 09:01:21 PM
If ash can cobble together something that can be "set" to search for a moving object, then surely something could've been done to existing equipment 60 years more advanced.
And they did. We saw them. Maybe they could have been "recalibrated" to detect the motion of the hamsters, but I don't see how that would have helped them detect a motionless egg.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 09:01:21 PM
If one got onboard the Narcissus, they can get onboard a dropship. And they did. A Queen did. How was that even missed? What kind of flintsone operation were they runnin' here?
Apparently because they lack the very capabilities that you keep suggesting they must have had.
QuoteThe minute your logic fails you start to mouth off life like that? Lots of class SM. But I guess that's not the first time you spout off your smug attitude at other forum members. Check yourself.
My logic hasn't failed. Your argument is spurious. And since you're not dumb, it can only be deliberately spurious. My point stands. Don't troll.
QuoteHow do we know that? All Ripley says is that they were blind on B and C decks. That doesn't necessarily mean we're talking about just cameras.
As per earlier drafts - Ripley was talking about cameras.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 08:23:14 PM
So they use terms like bug hunt, yet don't have the requisite capabilities to detect non-human life onboard their own ship?
They do. Bishop accesses them on the flight recorder. It's arguably bad writing that makes Ripley look neglectful - but well that's Alien 3 after all. Though on the other hand did she have any reason to suspect another Alien being on board if it hadn't presented itself in all the time between defeating the Queen, getting Hicks to medical, redressing Hicks wounds, cleaning him up and putting him into hypersleep, then cleaning up herself, Newt and Bishop, maybe even having something to eat; it's not going to present itself based on past experience.
But it's not as bad as her simply forgetting the entire reason she went to LV-426 in the first place.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
They do. Bishop accesses them on the flight recorder. It's arguably bad writing that makes Ripley look neglectful - but well that's Alien 3 after all. Though on the other hand did she have any reason to suspect another Alien being on board if it hadn't presented itself in all the time between defeating the Queen, getting Hicks to medical, redressing Hicks wounds, cleaning him up and putting him into hypersleep, then cleaning up herself, Newt and Bishop, maybe even having something to eat; it's not going to present itself based on past experience.
But it's not as bad as her simply forgetting the entire reason she went to LV-426 in the first place.
I see where you're coming from, and I mostly agree.
I just think it would've been proper to include a quick scene like I described earlier with the dialogue. It would both fool the audience that all was well, and positively put to rest any notion that good common sense was neglected. It would've been nice to know they had the capability to check for such contaminants in real-time. It would also have been a nod to the original film when the Alien seemed to disappear off the tracker. To double down and insinuate there is an ability to avoid such methods of detection, would've made them appear even more formidable.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 08:23:14 PM
So they use terms like bug hunt, yet don't have the requisite capabilities to detect non-human life onboard their own ship?
They do. Bishop accesses them on the flight recorder.
Ripley specifically asked Bishop if the sensors picked up "
anything moving around on the ship prior to separation." She was clearly referring to motion trackers.
Bishop would have also been privy to the neuroscan data since it all went into the computer.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
As per earlier drafts - Ripley was talking about cameras.
Facts... getting in the way of... grumblegrumblebullshitgrumble...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 08:23:14 PM
So they use terms like bug hunt, yet don't have the requisite capabilities to detect non-human life onboard their own ship?
They do. Bishop accesses them on the flight recorder.
Ripley specifically asked Bishop if the sensors picked up "anything moving around on the ship prior to separation." She was clearly referring to motion trackers.
Bishop would have also been privy to the neuroscan data since it all went into the computer.
I hadn't considered the scanners. I just figured the ship picked up something moving around of a size that could only be a facehugger.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
And they did. We saw them. Maybe they could have been "recalibrated" to detect the motion of the hamsters, but I don't see how that would have helped them detect a motionless egg.
Ah, my apologies. I was not referring to the motion trackers carried by the marines. I was referring to the onboard systems, ships AI, whatever they may have had. If such a system was incapable of locating and warning the crew of an unknown biological presence, then given the information obtained from Ripley before arrival, surely something could've been set to search for signs of non-human biological material. Motion aside. Could there not exist any technology that could identify and locate such a thing? Especially given the fact that they're familiar with "bugs". Surely the military of the future can detect the presence of biological weapons or unknown materials onboard their ships?
QuoteIt would've been nice to know they had the capability to check for such contaminants in real-time.
I don't believe they do.
Ripley had to actively conduct a focused search using the medscan. It's not like it had picked it up after evacuating the Sulaco and there was a message waiting for her after the crash saying 'You have 1 new embryo in your chest'.
If they had used something like PUPs, then that's a different matter.
Are the PUPs anything more than flying 3D imaging machines?
Mostly. But they can detect lifeforms.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
Mostly. But they can detect lifeforms.
That's right. It was only after Elba informed them the pups were picking up a life-form that the question about movement was brought up. So perhaps they could also detect non moving organic matter as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_Q_iAnmys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_Q_iAnmys)
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
Mostly.
Can you say that without sounding like Newt in my head?
I could try but - it won't make any difference.
:laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_Q_iAnmys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_Q_iAnmys)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
Can you say that without sounding like Newt in my head?
Heh... Why don't you
put her in charrrrrge?!
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_Q_iAnmys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_Q_iAnmys)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reApQlk5JiA
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
Can you say that without sounding like Newt in my head?
Heh... Why don't you put her in charrrrrge?!
Hey maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events for the past 26 years but she's dead, Jim.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 10:56:49 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
And they did. We saw them. Maybe they could have been "recalibrated" to detect the motion of the hamsters, but I don't see how that would have helped them detect a motionless egg.
Ah, my apologies. I was not referring to the motion trackers carried by the marines. I was referring to the onboard systems, ships AI, whatever they may have had. If such a system was incapable of locating and warning the crew of an unknown biological presence, then given the information obtained from Ripley before arrival, surely something could've been set to search for signs of non-human biological material. Motion aside. Could there not exist any technology that could identify and locate such a thing? Especially given the fact that they're familiar with "bugs". Surely the military of the future can detect the presence of biological weapons or unknown materials onboard their ships?
"That platform was becoming unstable. I had to circle around..." er something. So anything couldve climbe don board during that first land. NO?
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 08, 2018, 11:08:37 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
Mostly. But they can detect lifeforms.
That's right. It was only after Elba informed them the pups were picking up a life-form that the question about movement was brought up. So perhaps they could also detect non moving organic matter as well.
Wasn't it the Engineer in Hypersleep that was being detected? As for the Hammerpedes, perhaps they couldn't be detected because they were submerged, do we have evidence they could be seen if they were also cold-blooded?
Yeah it was picking up the Engineer.
ANYONE BUT RIDLEY SCOTT!!! Especially now when alcohol and age finally did a number on him.
Profound.
More like prolapse.
I can't say I think his age or alcohol (is this even a thing with Scott?) has anything to do with it, I wouldn't like to see Scott heavily involved with any more Alien stories going forward.
Well, everyone concerned about the possibility of Blomkamp touching the franchise can rest easy, as it looks like he's moved on to a "true" Robocop sequel.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 11, 2018, 08:40:29 PM
Well, everyone concerned about the possibility of Blomkamp touching the franchise can rest easy, as it looks like he's moved on to a "true" Robocop sequel.
Ahh, but remember the irony of the Eagles' "when Hell freezes over" tour...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2018, 10:02:28 AM
I can't say I think his age or alcohol (is this even a thing with Scott?) has anything to do with it, I wouldn't like to see Scott heavily involved with any more Alien stories going forward.
Each to their own. I would.
Yea Scott has my confidence. A prequel is a prequel.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2018, 10:02:28 AM
I can't say I think his age or alcohol (is this even a thing with Scott?) has anything to do with it, I wouldn't like to see Scott heavily involved with any more Alien stories going forward.
Agreed. He gave us a wonderful introduction to this universe and then gave us a very divisive couple of follow ups (or rather come befores).
There are plenty of other stories left to tell in this universe but I feel we need others to be masterminding those.
Quote from: Prez on Jul 21, 2018, 03:52:59 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2018, 10:02:28 AM
I can't say I think his age or alcohol (is this even a thing with Scott?) has anything to do with it, I wouldn't like to see Scott heavily involved with any more Alien stories going forward.
Agreed. He gave us a wonderful introduction to this universe and then gave us a very divisive couple of follow ups (or rather come befores).
There are plenty of other stories left to tell in this universe but I feel we need others to be masterminding those.
If he does have the blessings of the studio but will be forced to work with a lower budget, then the ball truly is in his court. He'll either walk, or figure out a way to tell a smaller story. Can it be done? Sure. Will he be okay with that? I doubt it. I have difficulty seeing him abandoning his vision for this trilogy, and risk it being given to people who may fundamentally change everything Ridley set out to say.
Its a shame, because Ridley brings so much talent and skill to the game. But he's got his plan and he wants to run with the ball (so to speak). He's forgetting the game is won primarily in the air, not just on the ground. You may run for 5 yards, you might run for 8, but you can throw the ball for 40+.
Let loose of the helm alittle, and let other (perhaps better) ideas come forth.
I'm not interested in another bug hunt anymore. Too late for me for rubber alien insects getting splatted by marines :-
Fox is holding a panel at SDCC at 4pm PST today. Might be worth keeping an eye on that.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/bluray/orig_prometheus-bluray-0946.jpg)
"There is nothing..."
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/685303846eb10bc13784313763b02af9/tumblr_inline_ov56freH901ub4bpy_400.gif)
"They're such a disappointment to me."
They should have talked up the William Gibson comic the whole time.
True that. William Gibson is a sci-if icon in his own right so it would have been fully justified (even on behalf of Dark Horse) to talk about the project even if the Aliens series never factored in.
I'm curious about this new Alien 3 logo. Is that something that was dug up from the archives from when the project was taking place or is it an all new thing?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2018, 07:36:37 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/bluray/orig_prometheus-bluray-0946.jpg)
"There is nothing..."
:(
Any update?
According to Mr_H, Fox has found the streaming service they're going to be using for this. No specific details.
Still collating.
Hopefully it's Netflix, just because I'd prefer to have all my streaming-related stuff in one place rather than have to subscribe to a bunch of different things for one or two shows each.
I agree that it will be better if it is Netflix. In this case, I think that the more streaming services there will be, the worse it will be for the viewers. If we end up with multiple streaming services that offer exclusive content, then it will be necessary to pay for all of them to see what you want to see, and soon the cost will rise to the level that cable was at to begin with. In such a case, we might as well go back to cable TV with streaming services turned into streaming channels.
Netflix is out of the question, Disney are pulling all of their content off it due to their own service.
It will have a much more substantial chance to work if it gets the clunky retro/used future aesthetic right.
On one hand, it could work as a premium limited series. On the other hand, this would mean the end of Alien as a film franchise. I doubt it will return to the big screen after that.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Oct 07, 2018, 03:35:34 PM
Netflix is out of the question, Disney are pulling all of their content off it due to their own service.
In that case, it'd likely end up on Disney's service.
Disney service will be PG & PG-13 material only. They could put it in Hulu, since Disney will end up with a majority stake and sell it internationally to the highest bidders or set it up at Netflix if it pays well. Literally every option but the new Disney service is on the table.
FX seems likely
Quote from: Kane's other son on Oct 07, 2018, 04:48:58 PM
On one hand, it could work as a premium limited series. On the other hand, this would mean the end of Alien as a film franchise. I doubt it will return to the big screen after that.
You mean kinda like the Terminator?
So a series is actually happening? Guess I've been out of the loop.
I don't buy it.
We'll see.
Netflix? Hulu? Oh, for God's sake. Put it on television, then get it out on blu-ray so I can see it too! :D
On a side note, it's just "set in the Alien universe" right? Where have we heard that before? This may just turn into: "Better Hologram Saul".
Good, do it.
Stories in the universe which use the themes and aesthetic, do not require the creature itself.
(I'd argue that's in essence what Blade Runner is.)
/Prometheus with a superior writer and a reconcilable Pathogen.
Quote from: SM on Oct 07, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
I don't buy it.
This, and if it happens before the handover it might still be on Fox.
Quote from: SM on Oct 07, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
I don't buy it.
Yeah, if the novels are up in the air due to the buyout, I'm very skeptical a show is actually happening.
*Predator Novels
Quote from: muthur9000 on Oct 07, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 07, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
I don't buy it.
This, and if it happens before the handover it might still be on Fox.
The buyout is expected to be complete in the first half of next year. If they hadn't announced any plans prior to the buyout announcement last December and now - we know it's not going to be on Fox.
Anything been touted at the moment is mere rumour or someone getting the wrong end of the stick.
I have to say, if a series did happen, at this point I think I'd be more excited for that than new films.
As always, depends on who's behind the scenes on the project.
Who's the showrunner?
Who's the writer(s)?
Who's the director(s)?
My dream is Alien in the anthology style of Black Mirror.
Who'd prefer an animated anthology over a live action one? I must say I probably would.
Nah. Would much rather they went live action.
Indeed.
Black Mirror Template!
The timetables for the deal closing have moved to the end of this year, but that wouldn't affect the series as Disney were the ones interested in it...
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 08, 2018, 08:14:44 AM
As always, depends on who's behind the scenes on the project.
Who's the showrunner?
Who's the writer(s)?
Who's the director(s)?
My dream is Alien in the anthology style of Black Mirror.
Interesting concept. The whole monster of the week type episode would be great - different beast to doing a season long story arc whereas focus could be on more quirky, smaller (but still interesting) stories. Imagine an episode looking into say a day inside Weyland Yutain's acquisitions division ... or maybe a focus on a colonist family on Hadley during the initial breakout. They could maybe make some stories over 2 parts too.
I'd go for this.
to those thinking my new report is bollocks.
please see this article by deadline and you can see the puzzle pieces moving.
https://deadline.com/2018/10/disney-fox-film-executives-merger-plan-alan-horn-stacey-snider-1202478704/amp/
fox will still be working, different people in charge, streaming is a priority for them, and will be fox working with Hulu, under Disney.
rumour?
sure.
trusted source?
absolutely.
What about that article supports the rumour?
Quote from: SiL on Oct 10, 2018, 08:20:46 AM
What about that article supports the rumour?
what doesn't?
the fact streaming is a priority, fox will be working with Hulu. the fact disney have already appointed department heads. numerous thing here support what my source has said.
I appreciate you guys won't believe it, that's absolutely fine. I trust my source. wholeheartedly, been right on numerous things in the past and has links direct to fox. so im inclined to believe.
Some of us also have sources at Fox too.
Quote from: MrH on Oct 10, 2018, 09:58:45 AM
what doesn't?
Zero mention of the Alien franchise anywhere within it.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 10, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: MrH on Oct 10, 2018, 09:58:45 AM
what doesn't?
Zero mention of the Alien franchise anywhere within it.
Yeah that wasn't what I said, I didn't say oh hey, this article proves me right.
I just said this supports it, read between the lines, effectively.
If Disney are doing all of the above, stating outright that fox working with Hulu is a priority etc, then it becomes more believable that the alien series has its streaming service in Hulu. That was what I meant. Should have been more transparent, it seems.
There's a huge leap between "Fox will work with Hulu" and "They're making an Alien series".
But you see the connection he makes yes?
No.
What I did get out of it is that Fox will continue producing "adult-themed" films under Emma Watts - despite every man and his dog loudly proclaiming that "Disney won't make Alien movies; they should sell it!"
Yea, but they should sell it. Although if they want to give it a try, shoots I'm game. I mean a tfa/marvel alien is fine with me... but please no tlj alien. You know, where humanity searchs for the long lost Ripley 08 to save the day, for her to only bitch and moan about it the entire mooo-vie. And then die because she was too weak to care.
Disney didn't buy Fox to make Disney movies under a different banner. And they definitely didn't spend $70 billion to bring the X-Men and Deadpool to Marvel.
If AMC's the Terror is anything to reference, the new series should at least have that caliber of cast and drama tension.
As their current rise to world domination is proving, the House of Mouse isn't run by idiots and they're even smart enough to admit when they screw up (the one guy came out said that he realised there were too many Star Wars movies back to back and that would slow down IIRC).
The issue Aliens / Predator / AvP as has been pointed out on other threads - they keep failing to deliver. They're not that profitable - certainly in theatrical terms. So TV maybe a good way of building up a profitable franchise again.
I imagine if Disney DO take on an Aliens show, it'll be fcking awesome. Cos if they DO commit to it, they won't command it be set in a warehouse in Prague or Jerkwater USA. They also know how to make crowd pleasers.
Unlike WB, it seems that "divisive / flawed but interesting" and all that kind of thing are dirty words for Disney.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Oct 12, 2018, 12:15:45 PM
And they definitely didn't spend $70 billion to bring the X-Men and Deadpool to Marvel.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Buying Marvel assets would've been a major draw.
Not $70b worth, but a major draw nonetheless.
QuoteDisney didn't buy Fox to make Disney movies under a different banner.
They make Star Wars movies under the Lucasfilm banner.
And Marvel movies are still under the Marvel banner.
There's also Avatar. And to be fair to them, the Marvel properties open up another massive event for them > Avengers vs. X-Men.
It's a few days old, but I just saw this article:
https://www.screengeek.net/2018/10/09/alien-tv-series-streaming-service/
A show following the lines of Earth Hive would be doable. A slow building drama/horror. They could mainly use real locations too, which is a bonus. You'd need to have the aliens get on earth first, but from there they could focus on the human drama and scientific/political/military aspects. People getting dragged away in the night. Fundamentalists wreaking havoc, small military skirmishes clearing out hives in remote areas. Tracking individual xenomorphs in the city. Regular people trying to make sense of what's going on. Kind of like a slow building alien version of F.T.W.D. season 1.
Alien Anthology. ;D
not sure if i'd prefer an ongoing series or anthology type of deal
either way, i'm excited to see what can be done
i think a dark, edgy streaming series could be excellent
I think an even better idea than Blomkamp's film (unless his story is better which I don't really know), would be adapt the best parts of Mark Verheiden's original Aliens comics in an epic film, featuring Ripley, Hicks and Newt, leading up to an all out Alien infestation on earth, and subsequent nuclear holocaust.
Subsequently, a Netflix series could be made about living on earth in the future under that infestation. It should feel like a zombie film a little, in that people are living in small tribes, and always in fear of the Aliens. In the background, there would be orchestrated military machinations happening on space ships and space stations (Luna?) as plans are laid out to retake earth. General Hicks would be running that of course. That could be a dynamite series!
The good bits with Ripley, Hicks and Newt were few.
I would say, there practically were none. The good bits were with Hicks and Newt together. Ripley came in later in the series as it was spiraling out of control.
Some tweaks would be called for.
Or I could be wrong altogether. To have a whole film with just Hicks and Newt, without Ripley, would also be a missed opportunity. Unless, it was a sort of search for Ripley, kind of like Star Wars: Force Awakens. In which case, you could make the film revolve around Ripley, without Ripley, and set up a sequel for her return.
^ Old mentors who give the torch to new adventurers, I like it. The story might be focused on Newt and some new characters in search of Ripley.
Yes, Ripley leaving, was the pretext for Newt ultimately ending up in a mental institution. Newt's childhood romp with the aliens notwithstanding. She lost her mother-figure, twice. (in the comics)
It would make sense for Newt to be searching for Ripley to try to figure out why she disappeared before Newt woke from Cryo. It might even be cool if she finds a cryo-tube at the end of the film where a woman is sleeping for many years named... Ripley. Amanda... Ripley. Also in search of Ellen Ripley. Then the two of them search for her...
Repulsive.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 25, 2018, 03:58:36 AM
Repulsive.
It's turning into one big intergalactic family.
Indeed. Alien is "hard" science fiction, no space opera or soap opera.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 25, 2018, 04:02:02 AM
Indeed. Alien is "hard" science fiction, no space opera or soap opera.
In truth it's neither. It's about humanity rising above the stark coldness of the universe. That was the essence of Aliens.
I think you're confusing hard science fiction with mean-spirited sci-fi, where everything has to be destroyed in the face of the unrelenting malice of the Aliens. You're ignoring the "Disney-like" magic of a little girl surviving for weeks without any weapons or training.
It's already turned incestuous. The Jockey and its cargo aren't some mysterious, distant alien beings; it's our uncle's crashed van carrying a load of a science experiment our robot butler made last week. Why the f**k not make it the Swiss Family Ripley show.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 25, 2018, 02:10:21 AMI think an even better idea than Blomkamp's film (unless his story is better which I don't really know), would be adapt the best parts of Mark Verheiden's original Aliens comics in an epic film, featuring Ripley, Hicks and Newt, leading up to an all out Alien infestation on earth, and subsequent nuclear holocaust.
The whole "Aliens completely take over Earth!" plot line always struck me as rather silly.
Aside from just generally being completely over-the-top, there's really no reason you couldn't contain them with modern technology.
The idea would be much the same with zombies -- by the time people realise there's a problem, it's too late. That's how it was presented in the original comic.
Zombies tend to work when it's "everyone's already infected you just need to die" à la the Romero films (or The Walking Dead), but when it's only passed on by physical contact I have to question if it would be able to spread across the entire planet (depending on the incubation time, I suppose).
Aliens need to physically get to you to kill you or expand their numbers. Seems like it would be relatively easy to contain once you knew where you stood, especially with the kind of futuristic weapons systems they are implied to have by the 22nd century.
The problem is by the time you know where you stand - they've taken over a city or two.
All it would take is one Queen holed up somewhere cozy not getting spotted for long.
Look at what happened to Hadley's in a month or two.
And how long is it before missing persons are actively investigated? 24 hours/48 hours? That's enough time for the spread before stuff is being looked into.
That's what makes it practicable as a series. The challenge can be surmounted eventually, but an infestation could unfold quite nicely, world wide very quickly.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 25, 2018, 05:37:35 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 25, 2018, 04:02:02 AM
Indeed. Alien is "hard" science fiction, no space opera or soap opera.
In truth it's neither. It's about humanity rising above the stark coldness of the universe. That was the essence of Aliens.
I think you're confusing hard science fiction with mean-spirited sci-fi, where everything has to be destroyed in the face of the unrelenting malice of the Aliens. You're ignoring the "Disney-like" magic of a little girl surviving for weeks without any weapons or training.
Horseshit. Aliens 1986's = underestimation.
The Alien Or "The stark coldness of the Universe."
Realistic, m̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶p̶i̶r̶i̶t̶e̶d̶ regardless.
The universe's apathetic,
a black hole and the Alien (Franchise/Universe) is.
The Alien, AI, Capitalism, W-Y - Apathetic.
Alien Theory! A future narrator. ;D
Did he totally change your mind?
I say we take off and nuke Earth from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Quote from: SM on Oct 25, 2018, 09:06:29 AM
The problem is by the time you know where you stand - they've taken over a city or two.
The big problem is that you'd have people getting infected, waking up, and running off during the initial stages of the outbreak, before the government and military could lock things down. If one person gets impregnated, then wakes up, thinks they've survived somehow, jumps in the car and drives 200 miles before bursting, then we're all screwed. And that's ignoring things like personal aircraft. We'd be surrounded in no time.
All Aliens films were basically about preventing an Alien infestation on earth. In doing so, they basically set up a promise that should be fulfilled, that earth will one day be infested with the Aliens.
If you make the infestation such a big theme. Let it happen, and make a good story out of it.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 25, 2018, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 25, 2018, 05:37:35 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 25, 2018, 04:02:02 AM
Indeed. Alien is "hard" science fiction, no space opera or soap opera.
In truth it's neither. It's about humanity rising above the stark coldness of the universe. That was the essence of Aliens.
I think you're confusing hard science fiction with mean-spirited sci-fi, where everything has to be destroyed in the face of the unrelenting malice of the Aliens. You're ignoring the "Disney-like" magic of a little girl surviving for weeks without any weapons or training.
Horseshit. Aliens 1986's = underestimation.
The Alien Or "The stark coldness of the Universe."
Realistic, m̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶p̶i̶r̶i̶t̶e̶d̶ regardless.
The universe's apathetic, a black hole and the Alien (Franchise/Universe) is.
The Alien, AI, Capitalism, W-Y - Apathetic.
Why are you disparaging my opinion by calling it horseshit? I am very respectful of your opinions.
A promise "AVP" & "AVPR" trampled over.
Unless the depiction of Earth is distinctive.
Apologies.
;). Accepted. No worries the Old One. We're all just fans talking about one of our favorite pieces of fiction. I don't think my opinion is anymore valid than yours. It's just different.
I do agree that seeing AVP:R kind of damaged the potential of seeing aliens on earth. To make it work, the approach would have to be completely different. Having it take place in a future, urban metropolis would be a step in the right direction, but also showing that metropolis ravaged would be very cool.
Just no broad daylight Aliens. They need to mostly come at night. Mostly.
As much as I like Giger's designs and O'Bannon's xeno biology (and science fiction in general), these things alone are not enough to make an Alien movie really fulfilling for me. I also want a futuristic, outer space, sci-fi hardware setting as well. A story without these things is really the territory of EU esoterica, like a Dark Horse comic.
Here's a simple example of what I mean:
Most of you will have seen this fan-film before (it's been quite easily found on YouTube since 2016).
To me, the problem is that the story is just too earth-bound to really cut it as an Alien-worthy film. Of course, this is a micro-budget hobby film so it needs to be cut some slack (and in fact I think it's very well made - the filmmaker seems to have some professional level experience). But even when I imagine it boosted by a $1m production budget and set in some apartment building in the year 2200, it still doesn't do it for me.
Alien stories are best partnered with space-ships, far off planets, sci-fi hardware and sci-fi production design. This is the proper setting that makes up a 'feature film' level (or TV series level) "Alien" story. For me, anyway.
I guess it's also relevant to admit that one of the things that disappointed me about Alien 3 (that I've never heard anyone else say), is the rather prosaic production design. All that money spent on set design and stage builds and they could have just gone on location to a hydro-dam somewhere.
So, 'yes' to an Alien series, but set in outer space, not earth.
TC
BTW, for the few of you that might have missed the above fan-film's sequel:
Quote from: TC on Oct 26, 2018, 12:38:30 PM
As much as I like Giger's designs and the O'Bannon's xeno biology (and science fiction in general), these things are not enough to make an Alien movie really fulfilling for me. I also want a futuristic, outer space, sci-fi hardware setting as well. A story without these things is really the territory of EU esoterica, like a Dark Horse comic.
Here's a simple example of what I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAEOBDrYuiE
Most of you will have seen this fan-film before (it's been quite easily found on YouTube since 2016).
To me, the problem is that the story is just too earth-bound to really cut it as an Alien-worthy film. Of course, this is a micro-budget hobby film so it needs to be cut some slack (and in fact I think it's very well made - the filmmaker seems to have some professional level experience). But even when I imagine it boosted by a $1m production budget and set in some apartment building in the year 2200, it still doesn't do it for me.
Alien stories are best partnered with space-ships, far off planets, sci-fi hardware and production design. This is the proper setting that makes up a 'feature film' level (or TV series level) "Alien" story. For me, anyway.
I guess it's also relevant to admit that one of the things that disappointed me about Alien 3 (that I've never heard anyone else say), is the rather prosaic production design. All that money spent on set design and stage builds and they could have just gone on location to a hydro dam somewhere.
So, 'yes' to an Alien series, but set in outer space, not earth.
TC
BTW, for the few of you that might have missed the above fan-film's sequel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGTFsfu0w-o
I mostly agree with you. AVP:R's earth setting failed because it was too "every day". If an alien series on earth is to work, it needs to show an earth far in the future, with cool sci-fi designs reflecting the high tech of the times. You need to feel like you're on a space-ship on earth for it to work. If you've seen the extended edition of Avatar, which shows a future earth, that would work well, IMO.
Or Blade Runner.
Yep. Basically the same idea. It would also be really creepy if they would completely hide during day time, and just come out at night. This way, the film would have a darker tone with activities taking place at night.
True.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 26, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
Yep. Basically the same idea. It would also be really creepy if they would completely hide during day time, and just come out at night. This way, the film would have a darker tone with activities taking place at night.
I like that premise.
Eh, I still find the idea of the wholesale conquest of Earth kinda daft.
Best left to the comic books.
There's nothing logically wrong with xenos on earth. But to me it just doesn't suit the established milieu of Alien. It's like taking Jason Vorhees from Friday the 13th and setting him in outer space in the year 2455 (as in the film Jason X). :-\
TC
Quote from: TC on Oct 26, 2018, 03:23:59 PMIt's like taking Jason Vorhees from Friday the 13th and setting him in outer space in the year 2455 (as in the film Jason X).
In comparison, I don't think it's quite
that out there, as long as the timeline makes sense... i.e. it takes place in the future and not present day Earth.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2018, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: TC on Oct 26, 2018, 03:23:59 PMIt's like taking Jason Vorhees from Friday the 13th and setting him in outer space in the year 2455 (as in the film Jason X).
In comparison, I don't think it's quite that out there, as long as the timeline makes sense... i.e. it takes place in the future and not present day Earth.
OK, well I chose an example that was so extreme I mislead you into thinking that "out there" was the determining factor.
Here's an alternative example that's not at all out there: Remember when they took the character Trapper John from the comedy TV show MASH and placed him in a present day hospital drama in San Francisco? Entirely rational, story-wise; but to anyone who was a fan of his character from the original Korean war comedy setting, just not right.
Alien has always been a space-setting to me. When it got too grounded (even in Alien 3), even that irked me somewhat.
TC
Quote from: TC on Oct 26, 2018, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2018, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: TC on Oct 26, 2018, 03:23:59 PMIt's like taking Jason Vorhees from Friday the 13th and setting him in outer space in the year 2455 (as in the film Jason X).
In comparison, I don't think it's quite that out there, as long as the timeline makes sense... i.e. it takes place in the future and not present day Earth.
OK, well I chose an example that was so extreme I mislead you into thinking that "out there" was the determining factor.
Here's an alternative example that's not at all out there: Remember when they took the character Trapper John from the comedy TV show MASH and placed him in a present day hospital drama in San Francisco? Entirely rational, story-wise; but to anyone who was a fan of his character from the original Korean war comedy setting, just not right.
Alien has always been a space-setting to me. When it got too grounded (even in Alien 3), even that irked me somewhat.
TC
Yet "Trapper John" was popular and lasted 7 seasons.
Personally I see the concept work just like the Predator Jungle Hunter / City Hunter works, as long as it takes place on future Earth and well written / has a great showrunner who's respectful to the lore.
But I do understand and totally respect anyone not thrilled with the idea. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2018, 05:18:43 PM
Yet "Trapper John" was popular and lasted 7 seasons.
I'm not pretending in any way to hold the majority view on these matters. Just my opinion.
For example, I think William Shatner and I are the only 2 Trek fans on the planet that think setting
Star Trek: The Voyage Home in present day San Francisco was a bad idea - that it defied Star Trek's futuristic, space setting that was intrinsic to its stories.
However, legions of Trek fans (and the box office) will protest otherwise.
Nonetheless, I'm an Alien fan. If such an "earth war" series ever comes to pass, you can bet I'll be watching and willing myself to enjoy it, just like I enjoyed
ST:The Voyage Home, despite my reservation.
TC
Quote from: TC on Oct 27, 2018, 03:23:05 AM
Nonetheless, I'm an Alien fan. If such an "earth war" series ever comes to pass, you can bet I'll be watching and willing myself to enjoy it, just like I enjoyed ST:The Voyage Home, despite my reservation.
Well, if it ever comes to that, let's both hope the show is so well constructed, willing yourself to like it will require a minimum effort! :)
Cheers!
Could this be the series?
Aliens Analects
The Animated Series
Coming December 24 2018.
https://www.facebook.com/226871014019638/posts/2454579217915462/
No.
That looks fan made.
It's a Scified thing, like that other one they tried to put out.
the one showing the deacon running round after shaw and david left lv223?
i didn't mind it, even if i don't really care for scified
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 25, 2018, 08:21:43 AM
The whole "Aliens completely take over Earth!" plot line always struck me as rather silly.
I completely agree. The same with this notion of Colonial Marines being at "war" with them. They're animals. Extraterrestrial animals, but still animals. It's silly comic book territory.
A TV series would dilute the franchise too much more. We need to be seeing less of the xenomorphs. Only getting them at their most brutal moments.
"This time it's war." Animals. ::)
It doesn't necessarily have to be the Alien series, it can be the Prometheus series-
that being, set in the Alien-verse but not necessarily featuring the titular creature.
Quote from: irn on Nov 23, 2018, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 25, 2018, 08:21:43 AM
The whole "Aliens completely take over Earth!" plot line always struck me as rather silly.
I completely agree. The same with this notion of Colonial Marines being at "war" with them. They're animals. Extraterrestrial animals, but still animals. It's silly comic book territory.
A TV series would dilute the franchise too much more. We need to be seeing less of the xenomorphs. Only getting them at their most brutal moments.
The whole "Aliens on earth" thing, is actually the basic premise of the entire Aliens series of films. It's always been about finding a way to avoid them getting on earth. It's not a comic book idea. Having them infest earth is actually the ultimate promise of the films. It's the ultimate worst case scenario. It's what the Aliens were designed for.
Indeed.
Well, Aliens and Alien³'s promise.
The original Alien didn't muse on what the consequences would be if the Alien got to Earth.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 23, 2018, 12:30:34 PM
The whole "Aliens on earth" thing, is actually the basic premise of the entire Aliens series of films. It's always been about finding a way to avoid them getting on earth. It's not a comic book idea. Having them infest earth is actually the ultimate promise of the films. It's the ultimate worst case scenario. It's what the Aliens were designed for.
Oh I agree with that. I mean in the execution of it, if it was to be in a film.
I envision an all but abandoned Earth; when the Alien returns, post- the Trilogy.
Ellen Ripley saved humanity because then they no longer exist in one centralised hub.
An Alien series done right with a likeable cast of space marines would be badass
Battlestar mixed with Space Above and Beyond mixed with SWAT/Seal Team.
Tour of Duty style of story telling.
All characters are expendable.
Can't have a Xeno in every episode.
Quote from: Vermillion on Dec 14, 2018, 03:21:39 AM
Battlestar mixed with Space Above and Beyond mixed with SWAT/Seal Team.
Tour of Duty style of story telling.
All characters are expendable.
Can't have a Xeno in every episode.
What about one in the style of The Pacific? Young inexperienced recruits and veteran Colonial Marines going up against the hordes, taking earth back one battle at a time.
Like tour of duty. New rookies with battle hardened marines.
The Pacific was sweet.
Quote from: Vermillion on Dec 14, 2018, 03:50:30 AM
Like tour of duty. New rookies with battle hardened marines.
The Pacific was sweet.
We need to see Sledge's great great grandson leave the farm and go fight the xeno menace on worlds far away. The journey from civilian to recruit, to rookie to full blown bada**.
Sledgehammer
Trigger happy cop.
Lol
I hated Sledge in that series for some reason. Not the performance, the character. Just rubbed me up the wrong way, which sucked because the final third was basically only about him.
Would be cool to see a combat series with that level of gritty realism set in the Alien universe though.
Read.Play.WATCH?
Read the writing on the wall.
Play Isolation while you wait.
Watch it all implode.
Won't lie, I lol'd.
I'd love a Netflix movie or something. I hope Watch isn't a re-release of one of the films or the cinematics from Isolation cobbled together.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 06:55:26 PM
Read the writing on the wall.
Play Isolation while you wait.
Watch it all implode.
That's joke copyright infringement. You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 08, 2019, 10:00:38 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 06:55:26 PM
Read the writing on the wall.
Play Isolation while you wait.
Watch it all implode.
That's joke copyright infringement. You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
I beg your pardon sir?
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 08, 2019, 10:00:38 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 06:55:26 PM
Read the writing on the wall.
Play Isolation while you wait.
Watch it all implode.
That's joke copyright infringement. You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
I beg your pardon sir?
24 hours ago on the Blackout thread. It was my best material. So magical...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 08, 2019, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 08, 2019, 10:00:38 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 06:55:26 PM
Read the writing on the wall.
Play Isolation while you wait.
Watch it all implode.
That's joke copyright infringement. You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
I beg your pardon sir?
24 hours ago on the Blackout thread. It was my best material. So magical...
Hang on, I'm looking.
Ah, I see. I guess great minds think alike.
Spoiler
Mine was better though. ;D
Do I need to separate you two?
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 08, 2019, 10:27:46 PM
Do I need to separate you two?
Nothing can come between us. You're just wanting a group hug, aren't you?
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 08, 2019, 10:27:46 PM
Do I need to separate you two?
Nothing can come between us. You're just wanting a group hug, aren't you?
. . . Stop reading my mind!
To reiterate you really must both realize you give fanatics like me just absolutely loving and good feelings about Alien!
For Huggsy an Wabbit only:Spoiler
Please read every third word.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 08, 2019, 10:59:20 PM
To reiterate you really must both realize you give fanatics like me just absolutely loving and good feelings about Alien!
For Huggsy an Wabbit only:
Spoiler
Please read every third word.
Spoiler
Took me too long to get it.
If I may get on-topic, the Isolation theme means we are not seeing Alien High.
I mean, we can put together a more serious (but fun) series with our Sulaco Marines, but . . . Alien High just sounded good.
Maybe it's a prequel show for Amanda? When she was a teen, fighting David's aliens before she got inevitably memory wiped. :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 08, 2019, 10:59:20 PM
To reiterate you really must both realize you give fanatics like me just absolutely loving and good feelings about Alien!
For Huggsy an Wabbit only:
Spoiler
Please read every third word.
Bro
Just rebrand Firefly as a Netflix Alien.
Just add a xeno every couple episodes to head bite some guest star.
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Quote from: The Old One on Jul 04, 2018, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 04, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
...
This post legitimately made me retch.
Gross, awful, I'd lose my left hand to make sure that garbage never happened.
:D :D :D :D ;D
I would love to see an Alien show!!!
Honestly a series is where I see the franchise heading from here on out, just make it dark with great characters and practical xenos.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 18, 2019, 05:02:56 AM
Honestly a series is where I see the franchise heading from here on out, just make it dark with great characters and practical xenos.
I strike out one word, and we're suddenly talking AVPR! ;D
That didn't have characters though.
I don't remember much about it, but didn't AvPR have a pizza guy and a blonde chick? That's at least as many characters as the average porno.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 11:00:19 PM
I don't remember much about it, but didn't AvPR have a pizza guy and a blonde chick? That's at least as many characters as the average porno.
The fact that you know that is more surprising than AvP:R having characters.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 11:00:19 PM
I don't remember much about it, but didn't AvPR have a pizza guy and a blonde chick? That's at least as many characters as the average porno.
"There have been a few upgrades since your day"
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 18, 2019, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 11:00:19 PM
I don't remember much about it, but didn't AvPR have a pizza guy and a blonde chick? That's at least as many characters as the average porno.
The fact that you know that is more surprising than AvP:R having characters.
I know. It's embarrassing for me to admit that I've seen AvPR.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 11:36:46 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 18, 2019, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 11:00:19 PM
I don't remember much about it, but didn't AvPR have a pizza guy and a blonde chick? That's at least as many characters as the average porno.
The fact that you know that is more surprising than AvP:R having characters.
I know. It's embarrassing for me to admit that I've seen AvPR.
But can you see it with a straight face? I bet Verm can do it
sober.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 11:36:46 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 18, 2019, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 11:00:19 PM
I don't remember much about it, but didn't AvPR have a pizza guy and a blonde chick? That's at least as many characters as the average porno.
The fact that you know that is more surprising than AvP:R having characters.
I know. It's embarrassing for me to admit that I've seen AvPR.
Step into the light Brother Local, and breath the fresh air of acceptance.
Do I enjoy watching AVPR?
(https://i.imgur.com/q0eyOCa.gif?noredirect)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 12:02:38 AM
Do I enjoy watching AVPR?
https://i.imgur.com/q0eyOCa.gif?noredirect
Dude . . . you serious? Is that a joke?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/da/Drake.png/revision/latest?cb=20130413134752)
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 19, 2019, 12:19:47 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 12:02:38 AM
Do I enjoy watching AVPR?
https://i.imgur.com/q0eyOCa.gif?noredirect
Dude . . . you serious? Is that a joke?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/da/Drake.png/revision/latest?cb=20130413134752)
Nope. Me. RidgeTop. Huggsy. Vermillion's warmed up to it. Even Local Trouble prefers it to Alien Resurrection.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/jM4gntspcjwoE/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c426fe96e4f46357319ef70)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 12:33:50 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 19, 2019, 12:19:47 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 12:02:38 AM
Do I enjoy watching AVPR?
https://i.imgur.com/q0eyOCa.gif?noredirect
Dude . . . you serious? Is that a joke?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/da/Drake.png/revision/latest?cb=20130413134752)
Nope. Me. RidgeTop. Huggsy. Vermillion's warmed up to it. Even Local Trouble prefers it to Alien Resurrection.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/jM4gntspcjwoE/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c426fe96e4f46357319ef70
You're not convincing me.
Verm was probably wasted. Huggs was bribed. Local was probably blackmailed with the skull.
I weren't bribed. The unrated bluray won me over. Better picture, better movie, better experience.
This beer is empty. Lol.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 19, 2019, 12:45:11 AM
I weren't bribed. The unrated bluray won me over. Better picture, better movie, better experience.
Booyah.
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Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 19, 2019, 12:49:00 AM
This beer is empty. Lol.
lol
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 19, 2019, 12:49:00 AM
This beer is empty. Lol.
Are you pulling your support if not given a refill?
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 19, 2019, 12:55:04 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 19, 2019, 12:49:00 AM
This beer is empty. Lol.
Are you pulling your support if not given a refill?
I would hope so.
No refill.
Not even for a lifetime supply of Invisabeer?
Vermillion prefers Xeno-Zip (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xeno-Zip).
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 19, 2019, 12:55:04 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 19, 2019, 12:49:00 AM
This beer is empty. Lol.
Are you pulling your support if not given a refill?
Naw. He knows what's in his heart.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki8wTgVHo99Z0oE/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2019, 01:04:14 AM
Vermillion prefers Xeno-Zip (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xeno-Zip).
Ah, he likes to dabble himself in the royal jelly!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 01:04:37 AM
Ah, he likes to dabble himself in the royal jelly!
Self dabbling is completely natural, though loses its specialness if done too often.
I cannot blame the man for using foreign lubricants. Variety they say, is the spice of love.
Yeah I meant thematically/tonally dark. :D
Right, right, somebody said "Let's make a dark movie", he thought we didn't need to hire a gaffer.
The problem with dark so often,
as seen with the Strauss Bros' -
AVPR, is masturbatory "Oh! So
unforgiving look how D A R K
We are!" Instead of worthwhile
introspection in mature stories.
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
People that AvPR was going to be better.
Albeit Via squinting
:D
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 19, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
People that AvPR was going to be better.
Albeit Via squinting
AvP:R is like an amusement park ride that claims it's really scary, but it's too damn dark to tell and what you can see is uber-disgusting.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
When our community starts guaging the maturity level between AVP and AVPR's target audience, it's my signal to start drinking.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
When our community starts guaging the maturity level between AVP and AVPR's target audience, it's my signal to start drinking.
What time is it where you are? Where I am, it's too early for that.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
When our community starts guaging the maturity level between AVP and AVPR's target audience, it's my signal to start drinking.
I think going over the minutiae of fictional entertainment to the degree that we do is always a signal to start drinking, and drink I shall. :D
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 19, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
What time is it where you are? Where I am, it's too early for that.
Oh it's definitely late enough for a drink here. It's already 9:28 in the morning!
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 19, 2019, 02:09:38 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
When our community starts guaging the maturity level between AVP and AVPR's target audience, it's my signal to start drinking.
I think going over the minutiae of fictional entertainment to the degree that we do is always a signal to start drinking, and drink I shall. :D
Very good point my friend! :laugh:
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 19, 2019, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
AvP had the lower rating, but AvPR was unappologeticaly aimed at the less mature audience.
When our community starts guaging the maturity level between AVP and AVPR's target audience, it's my signal to start drinking.
"I heard that"
You two better not start challenging each other.
It's 5 o'clock somewhere.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 19, 2019, 09:25:12 AM
The problem with dark so often,
as seen with the Strauss Bros' -
AVPR, is masturbatory "Oh! So
unforgiving look how D A R K
We are!" Instead of worthwhile
introspection in mature stories.
Um, can you please confirm you're not really 6 years old as per your profile? This is way uncomfortably precocious. :o
:D
Unconfirmed.
The Old One was turned into a vampire when she was only six years old...two thousand years ago. Hence the name.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 19, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
:D
Unconfirmed.
Please confirm you're at least an adult. Nobody is interested in your age beyond that. 6-year olds don't belong in conversations like this, discussing such subject matter. Where are your parents?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 20, 2019, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 19, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
:D
Unconfirmed.
Please confirm you're at least an adult. Nobody is interested in your age beyond that. 6-year olds don't belong in conversations like this, discussing such subject matter. Where are your parents?
24-27 year old male.
Am I close?
Disclaimer: (I have the utmost respect for oldone, and mean this in jest).
It'll be seven on the 12/12/2019.
;D
Me an Adult?
The law thinks so,
me I'm not so sure.
Old One is actually a shoggoth - formless and shape shifting.
Haha.
;)
Not to disturb the exchange, but I'm really hopeful for the Alien TV series! There's much to do, and for once that's a format where I could be convinced by the idea of multiple Aliens. It just seems to fit.
Someone better start spilling some beans soon.
Nothing on IMDB on anything related to this.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 28, 2019, 01:52:16 AM
Someone better start spilling some beans soon.
(accidentally tips over some beans) whoops.
Budget wise, I wonder how a tv series would do. HBO shows such as game of thrones has had very good effects for example, but not all shows or channels are very giving when it comes to the budget.
With the right budget, I would love to see a series or miniseries. I'm surprised there's not more talk about it, with everything getting turned into a show these days. There's probably something in the works somewhere!
If they predominantly use practical FX and keep the cg minimal I reckon they'd be fine.
Maybe once Legion's done, now Disney's controlling the Alien I.P
Noah Hawley's potential series is on the table again?
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 19, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
Where I am, it's too early for that.
Oh innocent rabbit, there's no such thing.
I say "let 'er rip, tater chip!" and let's see what they can show us. The shorts were encouraging...
Three of them anyway.