I don't think (and hope) that 'Alien Awakening' is the title of the still-kinda-possible third prequel. Having said that, I think 'Alien: Paradise Lost' would be a proper title. I have the feeling that David feels like a god entering the Valhalla ready to start his Eden on Origae 6 in order to complete his creation. Other titles that come to my mind: 'Alien: Perfect Organism', 'Alien: The Colony of the Damned', 'Alien: Pandora's effect', 'Alien: A Biomechanical Odyssey', 'Alien: Underworld Chronicles' and 'Zeta Reticuli: Life and Death'. So, what would be a proper title for the third (and maybe last) prequel?
Paradise Lost sounds too hamfisted for me. Awakening is decent but maybe not optimal. I think Prometheus and Covenant were great titles, I'm not really sure what the third could be, maybe something like "Alien: Nephilim" although I think the titles stand better without the alien prefix.
How about "Alien: The Last Nephilim"? but beyond the mythological background and the metaphors, the titles of these films are virtually the names of every single spacecraft in which the human characters are traveling through the stars. And since we already have the name Covenant in the second installment, maybe the third chapter is going to be called "The Derelict" ;) (it might make sense if the eggs that Kane found inside the shipwreck are actually the Covenant's colonists).
Btw, I think "Awakening" without the "Alien" sounds better, but it wouldn't be very tempting from a business point of view. Although I could be wrong :P
Alien : Electric Boogaloo.
Honestly the naming practice for the prequel trilogy is fubar'd already.
Prometheus
Covenant
Awakening
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 13, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
Btw, I think "Awakening" without the "Alien" sounds better, but it wouldn't be very tempting from a business point of view. Although I could be wrong :P
It could work if it the advertising was still very clearly "Alien" esque. Look at Prometheus. That was a great advertising campaign.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 13, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
How about "Alien: The Last Nephilim"? but beyond the mythological background and the metaphors, the titles of these films are virtually the names of every single spacecraft in which the human characters are traveling through the stars. And since we already have the name Covenant in the second installment, maybe the third chapter is going to be called "The Derelict" ;) (it might make sense if the eggs that Kane found inside the shipwreck are actually the Covenant's colonists).
Btw, I think "Awakening" without the "Alien" sounds better, but it wouldn't be very tempting from a business point of view. Although I could be wrong :P
Alien: Nephilim would be better since it could refer to both the creatures and the Engineers, although point taken with the ship names.
Planet David ;D
No, like Shrimp mentioned, it'll probably be the name of the new ship.
Now what kind of name would fit the new ship? What kind of vessel and crew would the Company send to retreive David's stuff?
I'd guess something similar to the Prometheus ship and crew.
So maybe the name of mythological figure again? One that ends up in some kind of hell?
I'd think everyone in the sequel will die.
So what's a mythical story about a person or group of people, going on some quest and dying? Maybe one character escapes but dies anyway like the Derelict pilot.
The Ali3n 0rigins: Revengeance of David-8
Alien: The Last Prequel, We Promise...And we're so, so sorry. ;)
To be serious, It'll probably just be another ship name, though Goodness knows what that might be. There's so many possibilities.
And just in case it does lead into Alien, Patton Oswald looks kind of like ash. Might as well go for broke.
As said before, the naming scheme is already a right mess but the next movie will be named after the boat. It has to, so there is some sort of continuity in the titles. The next boat should be called Moloch.
Quote from: MU-TH-UR 6000 on May 13, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
The Ali3n 0rigins: Revengeance of David-8
RULES OF NATURE!
Orpheus
Fits like Prometheus. There are similar themes but like in the movie, the ending might be different.
The trip to the underworld is a mytheme of comparative mythology found in a diverse number of religions from around the world. The hero or upper-world deity journeys to the underworld or to the land of the dead and returns, often with a quest-object or a loved one, or with heightened knowledge. The ability to enter the realm of the dead while still alive, and to return, is a proof of the classical hero's exceptional status as more than mortal. A deity who returns from the underworld demonstrates eschatological themes such as the cyclical nature of time and existence, or the defeat of death and the possibility of immortality.
Katabasis is the epic convention of the hero's trip into the underworld. In Greek mythology, for example, Orpheus enters the underworld in order to bring Eurydice back to the world of the living.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabasis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus
Anyway, we had Prometheus which is linked to Greek mythology and their gods. We had Covenant, which we can link to Christianity (and Judaism?).
So I'm putting my money on something similar. Something from whatever mythology or religion that applies to the sequel and/or sounds good.
Pretty sure Awakenings is gonna change just like Paradise became Covenant.
Now seriously, I actually like Paradise as the title for the final instalment. Could be the name of a really shitty ship as well that stumbles across either LV-223 or Origae-6. Full of mercenaries and horrible people in general that comes across David's version of what a paradise should look like.
I wonder what would happen if they called the next ship the Enterprise...
One word - TEMPEST
Alien: Tempest ;)
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 15, 2018, 12:14:37 PM
I wonder what would happen if they called the next ship the Enterprise...
With a Z and I'll love it.
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I'd expect something both religious and pretentious like "Communion."
How about "Aliens on a Spaceship"
Alien: Knocking on heavens door
How about Alien: Revenge of the Sith?
Maybe the Engineers were Sith all along
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 17, 2018, 08:43:04 AM
I'd expect something both religious and pretentious like "Communion."
Alien: The End Days Are Here Because Ancient Aliens Are Real And I Am Not Descended From Brown People So The Bible Tells Me So
Hades
-In old Greek mythology: god of the underworld
There a story about Hades abducting someone's wife (Persephone). Hermes tries to rescue her but she ends up eternally tied to the Underworld.
Hermes was viewed as the protector and patron of roads and travelers.
-In Christianity: Hades, according to various Christian denominations, is "the place or state of departed spirits".
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 17, 2018, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 17, 2018, 08:43:04 AM
I'd expect something both religious and pretentious like "Communion."
Alien: The End Days Are Here Because Ancient Aliens Are Real And I Am Not Descended From Brown People So The Bible Tells Me So
I resent ancient aliens as much as the next person (even though I was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus), but let's not try to insinuate racism where there is none.
Well if it's leading into the original film, and our first encounter with the original creature, or at least the creature responsible for all the eggs and the happenings on lv-426, then why not
"The Alien"
Unless they go with something like Alien: Inception. Just "Alien" has already been done. The predator is doing the same thing now anyway. If terminator had not done genisys, then we might have Alien: Genisis. I wouldn't rule out Exodus though. Especially given the current situations of the engineers and colonists.
The next one willl have to last 6 or seven years since Ridley is going to have to take it easy. so calling it "The Alien" would be sensible and would probably have to take the big cake and reboot the damn thing into a whole new direction.
Thankfully this franchise had done terrible at the box office, made a lot of fans grunt, but all the while has held up as fairly entertaining, thought provoking, and have kept fans wanting more only if to make the franchise better.
The thing about the prequel names is that they barely make any sense outside of being the name of the ship. What does the name Covenant even have to do with the movie aside from it is the name of the boat. It's the same with Prometheus. We all try to find a deeper meaning to it but there isn't any outside of it being the name of the boat.
So logically the next movie should be called Alien: S.S. Minnow.
Quote from: Huggs on May 17, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
Well if it's leading into the original film, and our first encounter with the original creature, or at least the creature responsible for all the eggs and the happenings on lv-426, then why not
"The Alien"
Unless they go with something like Alien: Inception. Just "Alien" has already been done. The predator is doing the same thing now anyway. If terminator had not done genisys, then we might have Alien: Genisis. I wouldn't rule out Exodus though. Especially given the current situations of the engineers and colonists.
But then people would expect the movie to be about the xeno, when it's probably going to more about David.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 17, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
The thing about the prequel names is that they barely make any sense outside of being the name of the ship. What does the name Covenant even have to do with the movie aside from it is the name of the boat. It's the same with Prometheus. We all try to find a deeper meaning to it but there isn't any outside of it being the name of the boat.
So logically the next movie should be called Alien: S.S. Minnow.
They were planning on getting/taking/stealing something of those who they considered to be gods.
"The Titan Prometheus wanted to give mankind equal footing with the gods... And for that, he was cast from Olympus. Well, my friends, the time has finally come for his return." -Peter Weyland in Prometheus
As for Covenant.
Covenant -> Ark Of The Covenant -> The Covenant is an ark.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 17, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
What does the name Covenant even have to do with the movie aside from it is the name of the boat.
It has a lot to do with the movie, actually. A covenant is basically a deal with God.
But the Covenant broke the deal by altering their course, and were thus punished.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 18, 2018, 01:44:47 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 17, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
What does the name Covenant even have to do with the movie aside from it is the name of the boat.
It has a lot to do with the movie, actually. A covenant is basically a deal with God.
But the Covenant broke the deal by altering their course, and were thus punished.
That too.
Covenant 2 - Synthetic Boogaloo
Alien: Valhalla
We had one from Greek mythology and one from Hebrew. It's time for Norse cause why not.
Spoiler
Another that comes to mind is Alien: f**ktard -
It focus on the plot abit more.
Quote from: SM on May 18, 2018, 06:22:04 AM
Covenant 2 - Synthetic Boogaloo
Is this funny for boomers/gen x'ers?
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 10:27:06 AM
Alien: Valhalla
We had one from Greek mythology and one from Hebrew. It's time for Norse cause why not.
Spoiler
Another that comes to mind is Alien: f**ktard -
It focus on the plot abit more.
No, that's a really bad name. Valhalla is the Norse equivalent of heaven. There are other things in Norse mythology that could be potential candidates though. For example, there's a ship called Naglfar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naglfar
I wouldn't name the ship Naglfar. I wouldn't call it Titanic either.
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 18, 2018, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: SM on May 18, 2018, 06:22:04 AM
Covenant 2 - Synthetic Boogaloo
Is this funny for boomers/gen x'ers?
And Millenials who know movies from before the 1990s.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 18, 2018, 12:29:06 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 17, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
The thing about the prequel names is that they barely make any sense outside of being the name of the ship. What does the name Covenant even have to do with the movie aside from it is the name of the boat. It's the same with Prometheus. We all try to find a deeper meaning to it but there isn't any outside of it being the name of the boat.
They were planning on getting/taking/stealing something of those who they considered to be gods.
"The Titan Prometheus wanted to give mankind equal footing with the gods... And for that, he was cast from Olympus. Well, my friends, the time has finally come for his return." -Peter Weyland in Prometheus
As for Covenant.
Covenant -> Ark Of The Covenant -> The Covenant is an ark.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 18, 2018, 01:44:47 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 17, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
What does the name Covenant even have to do with the movie aside from it is the name of the boat.
It has a lot to do with the movie, actually. A covenant is basically a deal with God.
But the Covenant broke the deal by altering their course, and were thus punished.
No that is the meaning we give to it. The reason the films are called such is because the ships were named such. I mean hell even Ridley called Alien: Covenant, Alien: Paradise Lost just a week before later taking the ships name for the title. Same thing probably happened with Prometheus. Every movie needs a name and at the moment the scheme is clearly name if after the ship. Plus the ark of the covenant is a weapon not a boat load of couples.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 11:26:02 AM
I wouldn't name the ship Naglfar. I wouldn't call it Titanic either.
Man calling the next movie Titanic would be more on the nose than Space Jesus. :P
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 18, 2018, 12:29:06 AM
Covenant -> Ark Of The Covenant -> The Covenant is an ark.
The covenant is the Ten Commandments. It is the set of rules the Israelites accepted upon themselves when accepting God. It was the deal the two parties struck - God would help and provide for the Israelites, if they follow the ten rules he had written down for them. The ark in "Ark of the Covenant" is just the golden chest in which the Ten Commandments are stored. The chest in itself is worthless (other than, perhaps, its value in gold) - what's important is what's inside.
Which is exactly why the symbolism in Alien:Covenant is so shallow: The Covenant was the holiest artifact in the Israelites' possession, while the film features several instances in which the crew of the ship is shown to not give a flying f**k about the ship's cargo. The symbolism doesn't work beyond 'Here's a biblical term I recognize!'
Ridley said in one of his many rambling responses that the covenant in question was between the crew before they left on their mission.
Ark, like Noah's Ark.
"Shallow symbolism" or not. It's how I interpret it.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 17, 2018, 09:05:03 AM
How about "Aliens on a Spaceship"
Dude, Scott already said he's had it with these muthaf*cking Aliens on these muthaf*cking spaceships.
*King David*
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 18, 2018, 04:06:21 PM
Ark, like Noah's Ark.
"Shallow symbolism" or not. It's how I interpret it.
Yea, that's were we have found ourselves. Doing the writers job. :P
This is getting much worse than trying to give the possible at one time Alien 5 movie a name.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 18, 2018, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 18, 2018, 04:06:21 PM
Ark, like Noah's Ark.
"Shallow symbolism" or not. It's how I interpret it.
Yea, that's were we have found ourselves. Doing the writers job. :P
This is getting much worse than trying to give the possible at one time Alien 5 movie a name.
Why is it the writer's job to hold your hand and tell you exactly what the title means? A good title is one that can be interpreted in multiple ways imo. It doesn't necessarily have to 100% mean a pact or an Ark containing commandments.
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 18, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
Why is it the writer's job to hold your hand and tell you exactly what the title means? A good title is one that can be interpreted in multiple ways imo. It doesn't necessarily have to 100% mean a pact or an Ark containing commandments.
It doesn't need to be 100% the same, but it
does need to at least have similarities in the general sense, as in: "Something that's of great value to someone". The only one in the film who cares about Covenant's cargo is David, and to him they are just a resource. This leaves the Covenant with the symbolic gravitas of the Ore the Nostromo was carrying (and as a side note, Nostromo - a foreigner used as a tool by the rich for the sake of their greed - demonstrates how to properly use a ship's name in a symbolic way), which truly does reduce the film's title to "Eh, it's just the name of the ship".
Quote from: Paranoid Android on May 18, 2018, 10:54:53 PM
It doesn't need to be 100% the same, but it does need to at least have similarities in the general sense, as in: "Something that's of great value to someone". The only one in the film who cares about Covenant's cargo is David, and to him they are just a resource.
A resource of great value.
Yeah, guys, again, the director of the film said "covenant" was meant in the sense of an agreement, between the crew towards their mission? This ... this is answered, why are we acting like the writers are withholding information?
EDIT
Ah; and Ridley being Ridley, he also said it's the sense of an Ark:
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1630560/what-the-title-of-alien-covenant-really-means
Listen, Ridley likes Beavis and Butthead, so the obvious answer is like "duh."
"Covenant" refers to both the physical and meta-physical. Physically the Covenant is the name of a spaceship carrying life, much like Noah's Ark from the biblical story.
Metaphysically, it is a pact with God. Or an agreement.
For example, marriage under the Christian belief is a pact between the couple and God. Not really like a contract in the legal sense, but based on faith.
All the Covenant colonists are married couples (with the exception of some of the security team I think).
But they broke the Covenant because they didn't go to the promised land, instead they veered off course to go Garden of Eden where they found Satan who unleashed his hell demons upon them.
Remember the couple in the shower - that's a married couple so not like Friday the 13th. Because they broke their deal, they are no longer protected by God.
;D
Back to the topic.
Now I said this earlier, when I thought of Hades as potential title.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 17, 2018, 07:16:14 PM
Hades
-In old Greek mythology: god of the underworld. Edit: als the Greek word for the underworld itself
There a story about Hades abducting someone's wife (Persephone). Hermes tries to rescue her but she ends up eternally tied to the Underworld.
Hermes was viewed as the protector and patron of roads and travelers.
-In Christianity: Hades, according to various Christian denominations, is "the place or state of departed spirits".
I forgot to mention the wife could be Daniels and Hermes could be Walter.
Hermes' attributes and symbols include the winged cap. Walter wears a cap with earflaps.
Now a moment ago I read that one of Mercury's symbols is also the winged cap
Mercury is the god of financial gain, commerce, eloquence (and thus poetry), messages, communication (including divination), travelers, boundaries, luck, trickery and thieves; he also serves as the guide of souls to the underworld.
All those aspects totally fit a potential sequel. Alien: Mercury would sound alright to me but it's also a planet. So without including that it would be a little too confusing. I'm still convinced the title will have a reference to religion/mythology.
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 17, 2018, 09:25:41 PMI resent ancient aliens as much as the next person (even though I was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus), but let's not try to insinuate racism where there is none.
There is plenty. Here's an example:
QuoteI was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus
Read: Civilisation was instructed by Greco-Roman-Uber-Gods from space.
Use your f**king brain.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 24, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 17, 2018, 09:25:41 PMI resent ancient aliens as much as the next person (even though I was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus), but let's not try to insinuate racism where there is none.
There is plenty. Here's an example:
QuoteI was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus
Read: Civilisation was instructed by Greco-Roman-Uber-Gods from space.
Use your f**king brain.
How is that racist?
All the Engineers have white skin, that's racist. Where are the brown skinned Engineers, and there should be more female Engineers in positions of authority too.
/I'm joking, no offense intended/
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 24, 2018, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 24, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 17, 2018, 09:25:41 PMI resent ancient aliens as much as the next person (even though I was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus), but let's not try to insinuate racism where there is none.
There is plenty. Here's an example:
QuoteI was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus
Read: Civilisation was instructed by Greco-Roman-Uber-Gods from space.
Use your f**king brain.
How is that racist?
Humanity was created by space white people.
I've never considered that it was racist, but I can see why some might.
Not many 'white people' I know of have the kind of marble white colour hue of the Engineers.
They are aliens, end of story, they're not meant to represent 'white people' or any other race.
Physically, they are based off Greek statues which are based on ideals of men.
Yes - white western men.
They're humanoids. Is that the same as being human?
If not, it can't be racist since they're actually a different species. And a higher lifeform imo.
Then it would be racist if a human didn't like apes.
One could say Alien is racist because the xenomorph is black.
One could. Not me.
QuoteThey're humanoids. Is that the same as being human?
We have identical DNA.
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2018, 03:22:21 AM
QuoteThey're humanoids. Is that the same as being human?
We have identical DNA.
I think chimps share 98% of our DNA. Does that make them human too?
I really don't know and am just asking.
Not sure if there might be additional DNA in the Engineer's DNA sequence.
And do different races have slightly different types of DNA?
Again, I don't know.
I don't know much about it either.
However...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcephuscorner.jadedragononline.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FPrometheus-DNA-Match-300x181.jpg&hash=09318c32abb58b0767ab06d877e65b012860d472)
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2018, 01:33:16 AM
Yes - white western men.
"Western" - Not sure what you mean by that but Greece is west depending on where you're standing. But it could also be east, south or north.
Your trolling would be less obvious if you could at least be consistent across threads. It's really getting tired. Could you find something new to be an idiot about already?
Maybe we should do a taxonomic rank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomic_rank) for the Engineers. I will make the first try :D
Domain: Eukarya
Kindom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: Homo Engineer
Quote from: SiL on May 25, 2018, 04:08:54 AM
Your trolling would be less obvious if you could at least be consistent across threads. It's really getting tired. Could you find something new to be an idiot about already?
I'm not trolling I'm in fact making a valid point about how people tend to use certain phrases or words.
You are calling me an "idiot" which is an insult and is against the rules of forum.
You are trolling. Which is against the forum rules. For once can you participate in a conversation without resorting to blatant trolling? It's getting tiresome.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2018, 07:01:47 AM
You are trolling. Which is against the forum rules. For once can you participate in a conversation without resorting to blatant trolling? It's getting tiresome.
It's hard to know what is and what isn't trolling sometimes but I'll try.
It isn't. Trolling is a conscious behaviour and I'm really getting fedup of it. You've been banned in the past. Consider this your last warning about the rules.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 25, 2018, 03:25:54 AM
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2018, 03:22:21 AM
QuoteThey're humanoids. Is that the same as being human?
We have identical DNA.
I think chimps share 98% of our DNA. Does that make them human too?
I really don't know and am just asking.
Not sure if there might be additional DNA in the Engineer's DNA sequence.
And do different races have slightly different types of DNA?
Again, I don't know.
Well, technically every single person has different DNA (except perhaps for identical twins). That's why it's used in forensics. But the DNA difference between individual humans across all races is only about 0.1% on average.
But even such a small difference can still produce some extreme results:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bKnk1OIzqvY/maxresdefault.jpg)
I guess in Prometheus, the DNA variation between the Engineers and humans were within those tolerances in order to get an exact "DNA match".
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 25, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 25, 2018, 03:25:54 AM
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2018, 03:22:21 AM
QuoteThey're humanoids. Is that the same as being human?
We have identical DNA.
I think chimps share 98% of our DNA. Does that make them human too?
I really don't know and am just asking.
Not sure if there might be additional DNA in the Engineer's DNA sequence.
And do different races have slightly different types of DNA?
Again, I don't know.
Well, technically every single person has different DNA (except perhaps for identical twins). That's why it's used in forensics. But the DNA difference between individual humans across all races is only about 0.1% on average.
But even such a small difference can still produce some extreme results:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bKnk1OIzqvY/maxresdefault.jpg)
I guess in Prometheus, the DNA variation between the Engineers and humans were within those tolerances in order to get an exact "DNA match".
So, we are another race of Engineers or the Engineers are a different race of homo sapiens (maybe the first ones in the galaxy).
This is another topic's worth of discussion.
Back on topic:
How about myths involving "awakening"?
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 26, 2018, 04:12:53 AM
This is another topic's worth of discussion.
Back on topic:
How about myths involving "awakening"?
tleilaxu suggested something about the Nephilim, so how about
Nephilim Awakening? or
Alien: Ethon Awakening :P
I meant the name of a mythology or the name of a character of a mythology, instead of the word awakening.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 24, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 17, 2018, 09:25:41 PMI resent ancient aliens as much as the next person (even though I was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus), but let's not try to insinuate racism where there is none.
There is plenty. Here's an example:
QuoteI was surprised by how well it worked in Prometheus
Read: Civilisation was instructed by Greco-Roman-Uber-Gods from space.
Use your f**king brain.
How about trying to think for yourself instead of being a virtue-signalling braindead SJW? The Engineers aren't so much white as devoid of pigment. Their city does have some graeco-roman elements, but if you look closely there are also statues that look like eastern Buddha statues.
Also, their language is supposed to be related to ancient Sumerian or something IIRC. This is not racism.
If you want to see a movie that's actually racist, go watch 300.
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2018, 03:22:21 AM
QuoteThey're humanoids. Is that the same as being human?
We have identical DNA.
Always cringed at this part.
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2018, 03:37:20 AM
I don't know much about it either.
However...
http://cephuscorner.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Prometheus-DNA-Match-300x181.jpg
That image is just some gel bands, but I guess that looks a bit cooler than some alignment scores printed to the screen or whatever.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 26, 2018, 04:39:17 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 26, 2018, 04:12:53 AM
This is another topic's worth of discussion.
Back on topic:
How about myths involving "awakening"?
tleilaxu suggested something about the Nephilim, so how about Nephilim Awakening? or Alien: Ethon Awakening :P
My main reason for this suggestion was the association with mythical giants in ancient Canaan, and how it reminded me of those ancient Engineer experiments that David hinted at in The Advent.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 26, 2018, 04:53:03 AM
I meant the name of a mythology or the name of a character of a mythology, instead of the word awakening.
Can't think of anybody but Durin...
I believe that whatever it will be named that Ridley Scott will have it named after the primary ship in the film as he has done so for the last two, considering that the Covenant is essentially and primarily indistinguishable corridors I doubt we will be going back to it. The situation as Ridley Scott has already stated is going to be a few groups coming after David 8, I imagine the Engineers are coming for him for a form of vengeance or at least to do a clean up project.
In fact it wouldn't surprise me if the film opened with some creative way of destroying LV-223 or/and Planet 4 from the Engineers. So it's clear anyway what their role would be. But either an exploring ship or rescue ship full of new human characters will definitely be present in some capacity.
So
Alien: Carpathia
Perhaps?
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 27, 2018, 09:43:05 AM
Their city does have some graeco-roman elements, but if you look closely there are also statues that look like eastern Buddha statues.
Also, their language is supposed to be related to ancient Sumerian or something IIRC.
I don't have reliable sources like a quote from Ridley Scott or from someone else, but it's quite possible that the production designers took influences from various ancient civilizations around the world and not only of ancient European cultures:
The Great Stupa at Sanchi, a Buddhist complex in India which also have some familiar looking statues.
(https://i.imgur.com/7ZSZRV8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tUbqt56.jpg)
Statue of the Göbekli Tepe sanctuary in Turkey.
(https://i.imgur.com/rWjp7tI.jpg)
Moai of Easter Island in Chile and Olmec Heads from Mexico.
(https://i.imgur.com/YipB9nq.jpg)
And while the hieroglyphics of Prometheus are not the same, the writing has a similar aesthetic to the Sumerian Cuneiform script.
(https://i.imgur.com/sEgyQo0.jpg)
Shoot Wayne Hagg a message on Twitter. I'm sure he'll be able to help answer any queries you have about the city architecture.
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 27, 2018, 09:43:05 AMHow about trying to think for yourself instead of being a virtue-signalling braindead SJW?
Ouch. I will take "braindead SJW" on the chin, but to say that I was virtue signalling is missing the point. Ancient alien ideas are damaging, particularly versions of them as explicit as the ones presented in the Alien prequels, and I think that it is important to call out these ideas for what they are. It isn't 'virtuous' to point out racism, it's rational.
All that said, I see that my post came off as a personal attack and I unreservedly apologise for that.
Please have that discussion respectfully, gents. There's no need to resort to insulting each other and thank you for appologising Chris.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 27, 2018, 07:04:48 PM
I don't have reliable sources like a quote from Ridley Scott or from someone else, but it's quite possible that the production designers took influences from various ancient civilizations around the world and not only of ancient European cultures:
Didn't Scott mention something about the architectural influences in Covenant's director's commentary? Or was that from an interview? Think he mentioned the Pantheon in Rome. One of the journalists who visited the art department during production also mentioned he saw photographs of Ouarzazate, Morocco and Jerusalem.
I much prefer Paradise Lost to Covenant, as in the end it's certainly more of a film with the focus on David as the sympathetic devil mixed with Frankenstein.
Than it is about any Covenant, feels like the film's title to me is a symptom of how creatively comprised it is.
I hope the same can't be said for the next entry.
Just name it after the main ship again.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 27, 2018, 07:04:48 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 27, 2018, 09:43:05 AM
Their city does have some graeco-roman elements, but if you look closely there are also statues that look like eastern Buddha statues.
Also, their language is supposed to be related to ancient Sumerian or something IIRC.
I don't have reliable sources like a quote from Ridley Scott or from someone else, but it's quite possible that the production designers took influences from various ancient civilizations around the world and not only of ancient European cultures:
*insert wall of nice pictures*
Yep that's my impression too.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 29, 2018, 11:54:56 AM
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 27, 2018, 09:43:05 AMHow about trying to think for yourself instead of being a virtue-signalling braindead SJW?
Ouch. I will take "braindead SJW" on the chin, but to say that I was virtue signalling is missing the point. Ancient alien ideas are damaging, particularly versions of them as explicit as the ones presented in the Alien prequels, and I think that it is important to call out these ideas for what they are. It isn't 'virtuous' to point out racism, it's rational.
All that said, I see that my post came off as a personal attack and I unreservedly apologise for that.
How exactly are they damaging besides just being dumb? I'm talking about this specific instance that seems to draw inspiration from a wide range of cultures. The Engineers we see in Covenant look more like Buddhist monks than idealized white supremacy style ancient graeco romans.
Maybe
ALIEN: UNBOUND :)
ALIEN: Croquette
Quote from: sirgiodecaramelot on May 30, 2018, 07:54:35 AM
ALIEN: Croquette
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Feggabase.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FEaster_Eggs%2FAnime%2FKill_La_Kill%2FMako_As_A_Zenomorph%2FMako-As-A-Xenomorph-Alien-Kill-La-Kill-Easter-Eggs.jpg&hash=fd62428b738192fb0645ff150d4a420b37ba9f62)
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 29, 2018, 10:07:52 PMHow exactly are they damaging besides just being dumb? I'm talking about this specific instance that seems to draw inspiration from a wide range of cultures.
And in doing so claims that all of those cultures originated from pale-skinned space giants. It's white supremacy fantasy writ large, and it isn't satire.
Is it more insulting than the Star Wars trilogy?
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 31, 2018, 12:45:14 PMAnd in doing so claims that all of those cultures originated from pale-skinned space giants. It's white supremacy fantasy writ large, and it isn't satire.
So if they'd be green it would've been ok?
Personally I think they're more albino-ish than white.
It's stupid because we know it didn't happen.
It's not even a "what if?" or "it could happen." Just no. It didn't.
Plus, again, all the implications for the series n the whole that the engineers are our makers and the aliens are tied into that which makes them tied into us. Smaller smaller smaller...
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 31, 2018, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 29, 2018, 10:07:52 PMHow exactly are they damaging besides just being dumb? I'm talking about this specific instance that seems to draw inspiration from a wide range of cultures.
And in doing so claims that all of those cultures originated from pale-skinned space giants. It's white supremacy fantasy writ large, and it isn't satire.
How is it white supremacy to claim that ALL cultures originated from unpigmented white giants, unless you specifically interpret the Engineers as symbolizing white Europeans? You might be racially prejudiced here my man.
Did they have features that looked, say, African or East Asian?
The ones in Prometheus looked like perfect specimens but I still think they're like stereotype soldiers or something. Tall, buffed beefcakes. Like shaved, muscled marines. Similar to the sacrificial Engineer. In ancient human sacrifice rituals they often picked healthy, good looking youths in the prime of their life.
Now compare them to the regular ones and the elders. They might be white, albino or whatever. But they certainly don't look like perfect beings.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2Fengineers_greeting_david_waving_hands1.jpg&hash=1174fd545b9e562dbdc243ec0c62a48553c98524)
(https://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news.tops/NE63WyfAggtD9a_1_b/Promtheus-2-Engineers-Story.jpg)
(https://m5.paperblog.com/i/24/245559/prometheus-elder-engineer-bloody-disgusting-T-FzPklt.jpeg)
Lets end this once and for all. The perfect title would be Alien: Three. Like the holy trinity. The Three being Android, Aliens and Engineers. No need for any humans, just skulls.
CARPATHIA
Seriously though, it was the ship that tried to assist the Titanic (Which would be the Covenant in this analogy) but also Dracula resides in the Carpathian mountains which would be David. Honestly I can't think of a more fitting title.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 04:02:30 AM
CARPATHIA
Seriously though, it was the ship that tried to assist the Titanic (Which would be the Covenant in this analogy) but also Dracula resides in the Carpathian mountains which would be David. Honestly I can't think of a more fitting title.
It's definitely one of the names that jumps right out at you. As a Titanic fanatic, I see the allure, and have spoken before about considering the covenant to be a space Titanic. But for a film name, (and this is just my opinion) "Carpathia" or "Alien: Carpathia" just doesn't really have a good ring to it. And I question how many people nowadays are going to remember what The Carpathia was and did? So I doubt modern audiences would get the significance. And even I didn't remember about the mountains until you pointed it out.
I think Ridley is onto something with the "awakening" title. It's got a good flow to it, and it sounds like something that would fit well into the franchise. But who's or what's awakening? That's the question.
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 01, 2018, 04:15:38 AM
And I question how many people nowadays are going to remember what The Carpathia was and did?
See I never like this idea when I hear it.
Never presume the audience is stupid. Make a smart movie, and if the audience is drawn in, and curious, they will look into those kind of things, and the result will be smarter movie goers.
Besides, you can always work in some dialogue or allusions to the reality behind the name within the movie.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2018, 04:32:35 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 01, 2018, 04:15:38 AM
And I question how many people nowadays are going to remember what The Carpathia was and did?
See I never like this idea when I hear it.
Never presume the audience is stupid. Make a smart movie, and if the audience is drawn in, and curious, they will look into those kind of things, and the result will be smarter movie goers.
Besides, you can always work in some dialogue or allusions to the reality behind the name within the movie.
Just for the sake of covering the bases here, "Stupid" was not the word I used or was implying. Merely the absence of a "singular" piece of knowledge. One that I personally believe isn't as commonly known anymore, (though it should be) and therefore loses its symbolic effectiveness right out of the gate.
This guy?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F000%2F854%2F129%2F354.jpg&hash=a44678fb98ae17aadc8b6d981eae4c0a7a2737b9)
Then... simple and honest.
Alien third prequel: the mission of the most idiot scientists to date.
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2018, 11:28:33 PM
Did they have features that looked, say, African or East Asian?
Did they have features that looked explicitly like white Europeans, aside from the obvious ethnicity of the actors? Their lack of pigment and hair clearly makes them more akin to a human version of mole rats, but I digress, modern SJW's see racism in little thing. I guess an albino African model would also be racism because it would elevate whiteness over blackness or something.
Aren't you precious. :laugh:
Where I'm from we thankfully don't have your obscene identity politics, at least not yet. I'm all for eliminating racism and racial biases, but without all the bogus accusations and "problematic" assertions and most importantly without splitting people into factions based on skin colour.
You get triggered by the evil SJWs at the mere thought of having a civil discussion about all of humanity being descended from Engineers that look western, because it's "obscene identity politics".
"I'm all for eliminating racism and racial biases".
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/I5xVnGJRHZZf2/200w.gif)
Quote from: SM on Jun 01, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
You get triggered by the evil SJWs at the mere thought of having a civil discussion about all of humanity being descended from Engineers that look western, because it's "obscene identity politics".
"I'm all for eliminating racism and racial biases".
https://media0.giphy.com/media/I5xVnGJRHZZf2/200w.gif
We're not having a civil discussion, you're just throwing out garbage accusations of racism because "dude they like have white skin so f**king racist omfg" and posting unfunny one-liners.
If you can't engage in the conversation civilly, don't continue to be involved.
Quote from: Huggs on May 17, 2018, 10:45:48 PMI wouldn't rule out Exodus though. Especially given the current situations of the engineers and colonists.
Was looking up stuff and came across Exodus too. Would fit in with everything. And it sounds alright as a movie title and the name of a ship.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2018, 12:01:40 PM
If you can't engage in the conversation civilly, don't continue to be involved.
Could you clean up this topic, please?
Now I'm too scared to even ask a question about it.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jun 04, 2018, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 17, 2018, 10:45:48 PMI wouldn't rule out Exodus though. Especially given the current situations of the engineers and colonists.
Was looking up stuff and came across Exodus too. Would fit in with everything. And it sounds alright as a movie title and the name of a ship.
Nope. I would rule it out; Ridley Scott already did Exodus Gods and Kings.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jun 04, 2018, 11:52:39 PM
Could you clean up this topic, please?
Why? Just let the words lie where they are.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 05, 2018, 12:49:31 AMNope. I would rule it out; Ridley Scott already did Exodus Gods and Kings.
True.
And Exodus is the first wave of people going someplace, no?
Maybe there's a story of some kind (historical, religious or mythical) about a follow-up expedition to wherever. May have to look up on actual expeditions.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 05, 2018, 12:57:00 AMWhy? Just let the worse lie where they are.
Practical reasons.
An exodus is massive wave of people going someplace - not necessarily the first.
Anyone spotted the Prometheus out-takes in Exodus: Gods and Kings? There were at least four shots that I can remember.
An exodus is a large number of people leaving a place.
Waves are irrelevant; Destinations are irrelevant.
I always like the name Abaddon.
If looking at the word Exodus from a religious perspective, keep in mind that the Exodus in the bible was a direct result of the plagues God sent to force the pharaoh's hand, culminating with the deaths of the first born. It all ended with God directly intervening by killing pharaoh and his army by crushing them in the sea, and allowing the Israelites to escape.
One could say the black goo/spores and various forms of neo/xeno represent the plagues. Either the embryos onboard Covenant, or David's other counterparts which were no doubt taken offline due to people's concerns represent the firstborn. The paradise engineers or the colonists represent the Israelites, and pharaoh is David. Seeking to enslave and destroy supposedly inferior forms of life out of anger and a sense of superiority, only to anger and be crushed by the gods, which would fit in with Ridley's engineers discovering David's evil and coming after him.
Plus I just thought it sounded like a good name for a ship and a movie.
Exodus: Gods and Kings.
Oh wait...
Back to Carpathia it is, yes I will keep pushing that for summer slam.
I prefer Hades, the name of the god of the underworld and the underworld itself.
It would suit an arrogant, more military kind of expedition. As I expect the new ship won't be just another colony ship like the Covenant. If we take Advent into consideration.
Reading on the Prometheus wiki page.
"Prometheus is freed at last by the hero Heracles (Hercules)."
Heracles might be something. But it doesn't sound right to me.
Maybe Perseus.
Damn, I'm way too curious of what the title might be.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jun 06, 2018, 04:05:02 AM
I prefer Hades, the name of the god of the underworld and the underworld itself.
It would suit an arrogant, more military kind of expedition. As I expect the new ship won't be just another colony ship like the Covenant. If we take Advent into consideration.
Reading on the Prometheus wiki page.
"Prometheus is freed at last by the hero Heracles (Hercules)."
Heracles might be something. But it doesn't sound right to me.
Maybe Perseus.
Damn, I'm way too curious of what the title might be.
I can guarantee it will be something with more syllables than "Alien" -they'd never go with something as overt and recognisable as Hades.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 06, 2018, 04:16:44 AMI can guarantee it will be something with more syllables than "Alien"
Alien: Retribution
Alien: Discombobulated
Alien: Antidisestablishmentarianism
Argo has something to it. But there's a somewhat recent movie with the same title. And a game or cartoon or something.
But it's the name of a mythical ship on a quest to retrieve something.
Or maybe Argonautica after the poem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argonautica
While checking out this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_ships
I noticed there was a ship called the Covenant in this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapped_(novel) but it's probably unrelated
Btw, I know chances of being right are slim to none but I think it's fun way of killing time. And learning something as well.
Can't see Argonautica due to Subnautica.
I could see a bunch of people going to alien heaven to be reborn spiritually.
Space Jockey : An Alien Story :P
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 08, 2018, 03:38:13 AM
Can't see Argonautica due to Subnautica.
You mean the game? Not sure a lot of people know it. I didn't.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 31, 2018, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on May 29, 2018, 10:07:52 PMHow exactly are they damaging besides just being dumb? I'm talking about this specific instance that seems to draw inspiration from a wide range of cultures.
And in doing so claims that all of those cultures originated from pale-skinned space giants. It's white supremacy fantasy writ large, and it isn't satire.
Although the hypothesis of the ancient astronauts it's just pseudoscience nonsense in real life
(but interesting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatermass_and_the_Pit)
in fiction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Mountains_of_Madness) in my opinion
),
the idea was more racist in its origins during the 19th century. Although there are nowadays exceptions. (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ancient-astronauts-and-racism) But in the case of these prequels, I think it's only due to the artistic vision of the people who had worked in such films. But I do agree that it can be interpreted as white supremacy fantasy.
"Do Androids Dream of Electric Xenomorphs?"
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/doblaje/images/7/75/Walter_Alien_Covenant.png/revision/latest?cb=20170525214208&path-prefix=es)
I don't dream at all.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkissthemgoodbye.net%2Fhorrors%2Falbums%2FAlien%2520Covenant%2FAlien_Covenant_screencaps_kissthemgoodbye_28416929.jpg&hash=d65b3148785ebf84c8a3cd41efcd8182bd26e83b)
No one understands the lonely perfection of my dreams.
(https://preview.ibb.co/ckKfxy/david4.png)
Goliath
The name comes from the USS Goliath that is transporting a large military force to be forward based on Oragae-6 along with the second wave of colonists. However the new world they arrive at is far from what they were expecting...