Will Kaplan - sound editor - is working on temp score for test screenings.
QuoteSometimes, Kaplan uses his extensive knowledge of movie soundtracks to create temporary, or "temp," scores for movies in production.
"Like right now, I'm doing a 20th Century Fox film called 'The Predator' directed by Shane Black," Kaplan said. "I'm putting in a temp score for test audiences. These guys gotta see it with music or they don't know how they feel about it."
Kaplan said that filmmakers sometimes become so enamored with the temp score, they use it instead.
Some filmmakers give Kaplan free rein to create his own sound cues. Others know exactly what they want.
http://www.dailyherald.com/entlife/20170725/highland-park-grad-practices-invisible-art-as-hollywood-music-editor
*amended title. Hicks.
Seems a bit earlier for test screenings. I wouldn't have expected them for another 3 months or so. I wonder how much work a temp score takes?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2017, 07:40:25 AM
Seems a bit earlier for test screenings. I wouldn't have expected them for another 3 months or so. I wonder how much work a temp score takes?
I would love to do a test screening of the movie
I really have no idea what to think about this movie... and after watching it I'll probably still feel the same.
Testscreenings can really ruin a movie.
The test screening for this movie will be interesting. I think it's good that they're doing them so early because of how radically different this Predator film is going to be. If the response is negative, it will give them time to re-shoot and change some stuff.
I hope they invite experts from our forum and then they will have big problems and they will invite a new audience who will say to reduce violence and add family themes and phemenism.
I don't know what to expect from this film either. Maybe it will be good, maybe it will be bad?
Quote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Nov 06, 2017, 03:32:13 PM
Fox is having a test screening for a secret scifi movie on their lot thursday. Invites asks if you are a fan of the Alien or Predator franchise.....
Where are they holding such a secret screening?
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Quote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Nov 06, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
The Fox Studio Lot. Invites went out over the weekend.
Damn, out of my reach! [emoji848]
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Fox has a lot of sci-fi films on its schedule- it could be something else. But the invite does mention Predator and Alien franchise.
I'd heard about that earlier too. Also asked if you'd seen Prometheus or Alien: Covenant recently too but not sure how relevant that is. Black mentioned recently they were working on the edit at the minute. Hopefully we'll hear something.
Also, did you mean to delete those posts MrPeterKeyes?
It asks if you are a fan of alien/predator franchise, die hard franchise and Jurassic park franchise.
Shane also posted that photo of him and Sterling doing ADR last week. Would not surprise me if this is the very first screening but in very rough form--- no cg.
Paul Feig did the same thing with the Ghostbusters remake- tested it on the Sony lot early on with zero effects then did more screenings in regular theaters that had some of the effects in.
If it does have no CG, it must be weird and ugly to see...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=35924101&postcount=290
The screening is tonight
It says the 9th on the invite thats been floating around
Yes- both invites I have seen have it as the 9th at Fox Studios lot. Is anyone here going? If so, keep an eye out to see if Alan Silvestri is there. It's not unusual for the composer to attend, and we still have no confirmation if he's going to score it or not.
I hope Silvestri comes back, can't think of anyone better for the movie right now.
Who does the score for this is really the only aspect i really don't care about.
It would be nice, for nostalgic reasons, but really Silvestri's scores nowadays are just as average as the rest of the summer action flicks being done by no-names.
Any updates on the screening tonight?
Quote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Nov 10, 2017, 06:06:43 AM
Any updates on the screening tonight?
Don't know if it has any relevance or not.
Edit: it was The Predator
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexStto/status/929084453502308352
Ridiculously horrible...Mmm...
Well, with no effects added yet. Imagine a screening with a rough cut of Predator running through the jungle in a red spandex suit, shooting smoke puffs from his gun and without Silvestris amazing score... terribly exciting.
:laugh: True, but i would imagine the guy who said it was horrible thinked of that too and adjusted his judgment accordingly... But who knows, maybe not.
Most, if not all of of the CG was not in from what I heard. It was a real rough cut of the film.
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Just saying...
The question is how much of it was rewritten ? If it's true, i'd still like to see
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the kid activate a hologram in his room with recorded past hunts from a predator computer
and it would be cool if they got rid of
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predator in camo pants even if it's a detail, maybe the dog lobotomy too
Elements were rewritten, it`s certain. Still, from leaked pictures, it looks that core story is thesame.
I agree, i don't think the core of the story will be very different,
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the upgrade, the kid genius, preds with the government, the vets with ptsd etc
but still, there was reshoots at the beginning of July IIRC, it would be interesting to know what they were reshooting...
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Maybe we`ll be spared idiotic predator mutants and dogs.
Maybe,
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but IIRC mutants and dogs seemed to do numerous killings in numerous scenes, so it may be hard to change
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Some more action for superd duper mutant hybrid predator
So it's the very first cut of the film. As expected the effects were very rough, to the point where they probably don't even merit too much in the way of mention. What I'm hearing is it's very very much a Shane Black movie. That worked for some of who I spoke to, it really didn't work for others. I've heard the lonesome Predator design is just fantastic, the best ADI has done.
However, it's sounding like it's so really different to the typical Predator film and that's either going to work for some, or it's going to kill it for others. Which, to be honest, is something I've thought since reading that script.
The very core of that story is still very much in place but the specifics have been reworked. It doesn't sound like the whole "this is the Predator" angle is played up like it was in the script so it seems significantly more toned down in that kind of regard.
I'm curious to hear how it's refined over the course of editing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
So it's the very first cut of the film. As expected the effects were very rough, to the point where they probably don't even merit too much in the way of mention. What I'm hearing is it's very very much a Shane Black movie. That worked for some of who I spoke to, it really didn't work for others. I've heard the lonesome Predator design is just fantastic, the best ADI has done.
However, it's sounding like it's so really different to the typical Predator film and that's either going to work for some, or it's going to kill it for others. Which, to be honest, is something I've thought since reading that script.
The very core of that story is still very much in place but the specifics have been reworked. It doesn't sound like the whole "this is the Predator" angle is played up like it was in the script so it seems significantly more toned down in that kind of regard.
I'm curious to hear how it's refined over the course of editing.
By the lonesome predator,
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you mean the first predator that crashes and get captured ?
Yeah. That's the one.
:o :o :o
Cool ! This one is really badass in the script ! He's going to be great !
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
So it's the very first cut of the film. As expected the effects were very rough, to the point where they probably don't even merit too much in the way of mention. What I'm hearing is it's very very much a Shane Black movie. That worked for some of who I spoke to, it really didn't work for others. I've heard the lonesome Predator design is just fantastic, the best ADI has done.
However, it's sounding like it's so really different to the typical Predator film and that's either going to work for some, or it's going to kill it for others. Which, to be honest, is something I've thought since reading that script.
The very core of that story is still very much in place but the specifics have been reworked. It doesn't sound like the whole "this is the Predator" angle is played up like it was in the script so it seems significantly more toned down in that kind of regard.
I'm curious to hear how it's refined over the course of editing.
Thx for the spoiler free infos/opinions. Did they mention if all the Predators are practical or is the 10 feet tall CG?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
So it's the very first cut of the film. As expected the effects were very rough, to the point where they probably don't even merit too much in the way of mention. What I'm hearing is it's very very much a Shane Black movie. That worked for some of who I spoke to, it really didn't work for others. I've heard the lonesome Predator design is just fantastic, the best ADI has done.
However, it's sounding like it's so really different to the typical Predator film and that's either going to work for some, or it's going to kill it for others. Which, to be honest, is something I've thought since reading that script.
The very core of that story is still very much in place but the specifics have been reworked. It doesn't sound like the whole "this is the Predator" angle is played up like it was in the script so it seems significantly more toned down in that kind of regard.
I'm curious to hear how it's refined over the course of editing.
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Any news if kid is still flying the ship and Hybrid Pred ccommands whole bunch of mutated crazy monsters? Or hopefully it was tonned down?
"mutated crazy monsters" were spotted on set.
There's even a photo of some very insectoid legs...
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No kid flying the ship.
The hybrids
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are still in the film but not sure how they're used in that regard.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 04:43:57 PM
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No kid flying the ship.
Maybe that's a good thing.
It's a great thing. I'm glad to hear that's gone.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
It's a great thing. I'm glad to hear that's gone.
At least that will help quieting some of the extreme haters
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It's unlikely. They're the side of the fanbase who I would imagine will just hate the shift from the Predator template into something different.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 06:04:14 PM
It's unlikely. They're the side of the fanbase who I would imagine will just hate the shift from the Predator template into something different.
Yeah you're probably right
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Did anyone mention anything
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about the hybrid ? His looks maybe ?
I have heard a similar reaction to what was posted above. I'm a big fan of Shane Black and I just hope most of the humor remains in the final film even if it is very different in tone than the other films in the series. We still have 9 months to release- there will be more screenings I'm sure and different edits tested over the next few months.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 04:43:57 PM
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No kid flying the ship.
Thank you! I'm glad it's gone, it was the worst part of the script.
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are still in the film but not sure how they're used in that regard.
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Shit. That's the bad news. I just hope it's showed more as a small splinter faction, then a side in great intergalactic conflict. I just hate any indication of war/invasion in Predator films.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 12, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
"mutated crazy monsters" were spotted on set.
There's even a photo of some very insectoid legs...
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That could have been one of many different things. That could have been entirely cut out from final product.
Quote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Nov 12, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
I have heard a similar reaction to what was posted above. I'm a big fan of Shane Black and I just hope most of the humor remains in the final film even if it is very different in tone than the other films in the series. We still have 9 months to release- there will be more screenings I'm sure and different edits tested over the next few months.
The problem is not about the tone and humor.
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Nov 12, 2017, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
It's a great thing. I'm glad to hear that's gone.
At least that will help quieting some of the extreme haters
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Hey, we scare cos we care.
Sounds like a great script for a video-game. Maybe turn it into that- save this comic book regurgitation and make an actual Pred sequel.
"at the end [of Predator], with the burned up clearing where the explosion happens, the film [Predator 2] opens there and the Predator's invisible feet come into view and a hand plunges down into the dust, into the ashes, and brings up the Predator's arm and then activates the computer and get's a readout to see everything that had happened up to that time, focusing on Arnold, and "this is my target.""
But who would wanna see that...??
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 03:23:34 PM
Sounds like a great script for a video-game. Maybe turn it into that- save this comic book regurgitation and make an actual Pred sequel.
K.
Quote"at the end [of Predator], with the burned up clearing where the explosion happens, the film [Predator 2] opens there and the Predator's invisible feet come into view and a hand plunges down into the dust, into the ashes, and brings up the Predator's arm and then activates the computer and get's a readout to see everything that had happened up to that time, focusing on Arnold, and "this is my target.""
But who would wanna see that...??
People who think old man Arnold is still a bankable star and more interesting than the Predator itself.
Yes i agree it would have been interesting at the time of the second movie, but today it wouldn't make much sense, hunting a "legendary" human who is a old man now. Should've hunted him when he was still in his prime and able to show why he is a worthy prey.
Yeah Blade Runner fans were super p-ssed when Ford showed up and it totally ruined the movie. *sarcasm*
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 14, 2017, 06:26:03 PM
Yes i agree it would have been interesting at the time of the second movie, but today it wouldn't make much sense, hunting a "legendary" human who is a old man now. Should've hunted him when he was still in his prime and able to show why he is a worthy prey.
Agree but the premise alone. Would've made for a better movie than:
AVP
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Predators
(Reserved for The Predator)
Would it had/have not?
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 07:12:23 PM
Yeah Blade Runner fans were super p-ssed when Ford showed up and it totally ruined the movie. *sarcasm*
Are you implying anyone said Harrison Ford was a bad idea in Blade Runner 2049?
I think he said he was not. Same goes to Arnold I guess.
Haven't seen many people voice that their first preference is to have no Arnold at all. I know I would've liked to see him make an appearance.
Me too, as an advisor/mentor type. No action scenes though.
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 07:12:23 PM
Yeah Blade Runner fans were super p-ssed when Ford showed up and it totally ruined the movie. *sarcasm*
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 14, 2017, 06:26:03 PM
Yes i agree it would have been interesting at the time of the second movie, but today it wouldn't make much sense, hunting a "legendary" human who is a old man now. Should've hunted him when he was still in his prime and able to show why he is a worthy prey.
Agree but the premise alone. Would've made for a better movie than:
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Predators
(Reserved for The Predator)
Would it had/have not?
Yes it could have.
I am a fan of the predator, not of Dutch (not saying he isn't an awesome character).
Dutch is a resourceful human who gets very lucky...mud saves him at the right moment, predator toys with him and blunders under log trap, he barely manages to outrun the tactical wrist-nuke explosion.
If another predator chooses to hunt him down efficiently, he's f**ked. I'm not interested in watching a predator toy with Dutch a second time.
I think Dutch could have fit into Predators...replacing Nolan. But that opportunity came and went. Now, I think the franchise should just move on, as it appears to be doing.
You would think someone at FOX would skim through all of these forums and say, "Hey wait a second, if all these people are already bashing where we're taking this film, before a trailer can even be released, maybe we should have a change of plans?"
I mean, what do we know? We only talk about literally every possibility Alien and Predator outcome there could be, and dedicate a portion of our lives to do so.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Nov 16, 2017, 01:20:43 PM
You would think someone at FOX would skim through all of these forums and say, "Hey wait a second, if all these people are already bashing where we're taking this film, before a trailer can even be released, maybe we should have a change of plans?"
I mean, what do we know? We only talk about literally every possibility Alien and Predator outcome there could be, and dedicate a portion of our lives to do so.
Sorry to disappoint you, but we're really not that important, and i say that as a fan.
Fans like to think that they are 100% the target audience, but we're really not, if you really think about it, if every fan on here would buy a ticket we wouldn't even be justifying a quarter of the budget these movies cost to make.
The fanbase is too small, hence they care more about what the general audience would think and to be honest, most fans on here or any other website have horrendous ideas of where to take the franchise. The directors of AvP-R listened to a lot of stuff of the fans that wasn't planned and/or in the script, and created a shitty movie they ended up hating just as much as most fans.
A director should never compromise/replace their vision for someone elses. Ask 10 fans what this movie should be about, you get 8 different answers, no thx, i rather have the result of a competent writer/director than 99% of the fans that
think they know better without having seen a single frame of footage, leaked script or not.
Do we have any reactions to the test screening other than the one saying that it's horrible?
I don't think so...
The leaked script killed my enthusiasm for this film though...
Quote from: salomonj on Nov 17, 2017, 12:25:40 AM
Do we have any reactions to the test screening other than the one saying that it's horrible?
Not publicly but I've heard from folk who just hated it and from those that really enjoyed once they got over it wasn't the typical Predator formula.
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Quote from: DerelictShip on Nov 16, 2017, 01:20:43 PM
You would think someone at FOX would skim through all of these forums and say, "Hey wait a second, if all these people are already bashing where we're taking this film, before a trailer can even be released, maybe we should have a change of plans?"
I mean, what do we know? We only talk about literally every possibility Alien and Predator outcome there could be, and dedicate a portion of our lives to do so.
Sorry to disappoint you, but we're really not that important, and i say that as a fan.
Fans like to think that they are 100% the target audience, but we're really not, if you really think about it, if every fan on here would buy a ticket we wouldn't even be justifying a quarter of the budget these movies cost to make.
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This is going to divide fans even more than Alien Covenant!!!
Quote from: GreybackElder on Nov 20, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
This is going to divide fans even more than Alien Covenant!!!
Correct.
With the leaked script...consider them already divided.
I wonder if there's still time to do reshoots... Correcting stuff via post-production is one thing (and i think there will be) but reshoots seems more complicated, expensive and time consuming... The movie is still almost 9 months away though.
There's plenty of time to do reshoots. I wouldn't worry about that.
Re-shoots? Let's just hope nobody's had to grow a moustache for their next role.
Quote from: Rudiger on Nov 20, 2017, 04:06:50 PM
Re-shoots? Let's just hope nobody's had to grow a moustache for their next role.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: GreybackElder on Nov 20, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
This is going to divide fans even more than Alien Covenant!!!
People love Predator 2, people hate Predator 2
People love Predators, people hate Predators
People consider the games/comics canon, others dont
The fanbase was always divided, there are people who love these movies for being good action movies, others just for the creature, others love/hate everything with/without Arnold. This movie won't change anything, there will be fans who will love this and fans who will hate it, but it was never any different.
Not all fans agree and we don't have to. I don't care so much about "the fan stuff" in these movies anymore, i just want a good movie and there is a pretty good chance this will hit the spark. It's all about personal taste, the stuff others loathe on this website is being cherished by others.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 21, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
Quote from: GreybackElder on Nov 20, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
This is going to divide fans even more than Alien Covenant!!!
People love Predator 2, people hate Predator 2
People love Predators, people hate Predators
People consider the games/comics canon, others dont
The fanbase was always divided, there are people who love these movies for being good action movies, others just for the creature, others love/hate everything with/without Arnold. This movie won't change anything, there will be fans who will love this and fans who will hate it, but it was never any different.
Not all fans agree and we don't have to. I don't care so much about "the fan stuff" in these movies anymore, i just want a good movie and there is a pretty good chance this will hit the spark. It's all about personal taste, the stuff others loathe on this website is being cherished by others.
I agree overall, but i tend to think that there were never something THAT potentially divisive in predator 1, 2 and predators. But it's okay, you can't satisfy everyone anyway. I absolutely love some stuff from the script, other i found it weird/worrying, but i'm looking forward to it no matter what.
Predator 2 and Predators have divided people since release. Particularly the latter on the handling of the bad bloods/super predators/whatever you want to call them.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 21, 2017, 01:09:14 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 21, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
Quote from: GreybackElder on Nov 20, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
This is going to divide fans even more than Alien Covenant!!!
People love Predator 2, people hate Predator 2
People love Predators, people hate Predators
People consider the games/comics canon, others dont
The fanbase was always divided, there are people who love these movies for being good action movies, others just for the creature, others love/hate everything with/without Arnold. This movie won't change anything, there will be fans who will love this and fans who will hate it, but it was never any different.
Not all fans agree and we don't have to. I don't care so much about "the fan stuff" in these movies anymore, i just want a good movie and there is a pretty good chance this will hit the spark. It's all about personal taste, the stuff others loathe on this website is being cherished by others.
I agree overall, but i tend to think that there were never something THAT potentially divisive in predator 1, 2 and predators. But it's okay, you can't satisfy everyone anyway. I absolutely love some stuff from the script, other i found it weird/worrying, but i'm looking forward to it no matter what.
I heard about some of this stuff, but to me it's all about how certain things work within the context of the story. Predators in military pants sounds like a horrible idea, yes, but i want to see the whole picture before i make a judgement of any of this stuff. Let's put it this way, Predators are smart and technologically advanced, they have a society, why not make anything of this? I feel like we haven't really scratched the surface with the species yet. People bitched about the domesticated Raptors in JW, but i think they handled those quite well, i actually loved that stuff. Hoping for something similar here. I know people on here hate the idea, but something about
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Predators working with humans in a greater interstellar conflict
has me totally excited, keep them Predators and in-character, yes, but why not show a side we haven't seen before? Also, we know that Predators, when engaged in certain situations, do in fact take the help from others when there is absolutely no other choice. So it's not really out of character, they just take it a step further.
Take Predator 2, i love it, but theres some seriously ridiculous and almost comically absurd stuff in that movie, but looking at it as a whole, the movie gave us some great new stuff about the Predator and it's a great and enjoyable action movie.
As long as THE PREDATOR is just that, and with Shane Black at the helm it has every chance to be, i will probably love it.
Can we just have a predator that actually feels like something from the first two films? Proper pred vision and the accompanying sounds, the whip-crack of the shoulder cannon, a decent exposed face?
Also we've not had any decent Predator clicking sounds since P2 either.
I certainly understand everything but how Alien:covenant could divide the fans if it was filmed for a new audience and there's nothing for the true fans there. I don't like criticizing films but Alien:covenant is one of the worst films that I've seen in the last decade and to me it was a shame that I watch it and this doesn't happen to me usually .I hope this film doesn't repeat this fate.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Nov 21, 2017, 08:05:59 PM
Can we just have a predator that actually feels like something from the first two films? Proper pred vision and the accompanying sounds, the whip-crack of the shoulder cannon, a decent exposed face?
Also we've not had any decent Predator clicking sounds since P2 either.
Excellent remark ! I always thought that too ! The blurry thermal vision from the first two movies, please get it back ! The sounds too of course. Actually, AVP-R had some of that despite being a terrible movie. Predators didn't so it's been a long time indeed.
Quote from: black on Nov 21, 2017, 08:09:40 PM
I certainly understand everything but how Alien:covenant could divide the fans if it was filmed for a new audience and there's nothing for the true fans there. I don't like criticizing films but Alien:covenant is one of the worst films that I've seen in the last decade and to me it was a shame that I watch it and this doesn't happen to me usually .I hope this film doesn't repeat this fate.
Have no fear...little Timmy in a predator ship to the rescue!
^^
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He doesn't pilot the ship in the test.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
^^
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He doesn't pilot the ship in the test.
OK...Yautja riding a tank and wearing human pants to the rescue!
Look, I want this to be good, but I have a terrible feeling about this.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 22, 2017, 01:33:19 AM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Nov 21, 2017, 08:05:59 PM
Can we just have a predator that actually feels like something from the first two films? Proper pred vision and the accompanying sounds, the whip-crack of the shoulder cannon, a decent exposed face?
Also we've not had any decent Predator clicking sounds since P2 either.
Excellent remark ! I always thought that too ! The blurry thermal vision from the first two movies, please get it back ! The sounds too of course. Actually, AVP-R had some of that despite being a terrible movie. Predators didn't so it's been a long time indeed.
I always liked that whip crack sound of the predator's shoulder cannon. It was only used in the first movie I think.
Why do I get the feeling that Shane Black is going to turn Predator into a Transformers movie? Everything I've read makes me think the movie will be nothing more than an extremely stupid popcorn fest. I think a trailer, or any footage for that matter, would put a lot of us at ease concerning what tone it's taking. But we won't be getting anything like that anytime soon. The poster and tagline are ace though. I give the marketing team major credit.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Nov 25, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
Why do I get the feeling that Shane Black is going to turn Predator into a Transformers movie? Everything I've read makes me think the movie will be nothing more than an extremely stupid popcorn fest. I think a trailer, or any footage for that matter, would put a lot of us at ease concerning what tone it's taking. But we won't be getting anything like that anytime soon. The poster and tagline are ace though. I give the marketing team major
credit.
I hope it's good to. But I have to agree with you. Everything I've seen so far(minus the lightning poster) I've disliked to some Degree. Especially the predators on tanks and drastic change in predator mythos. The sooner we get a trailer the better. To me it sounds like it's going to be an action comedy much like the men in Black series. Ohhhh boy.
Shane Black will be a genius if he makes a candy for fans. This will be the focus of Houdini!
I have a bad feeling on this. Why does this need to have humor? You have a juggernaut alien pulling out spinal cords and flaying people alive, and you want to have quips and comedy with it?
Not all humour is bad.
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 26, 2017, 02:57:47 AM
Not all humour is bad.
It all depends on the context. Predator has some of the best laughs in the entire series, but it was smart enough to know when to go for the laugh and when not to.
Predator wasn't near as comedic as this one seems to be though, but maybe it will be a good thing that blends well in the final product.
Agreed, I'm really interested to see what the tone feels like from the first trailer.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
Predator wasn't near as comedic as this one seems to be though, but maybe it will be a good thing that blends well in the final product.
Predator is pretty damn comedic. It's one-liner galore. When I went to watch it for the anniversary release, there was an absolute load of audience laughter.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2017, 08:45:41 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
Predator wasn't near as comedic as this one seems to be though, but maybe it will be a good thing that blends well in the final product.
Predator is pretty damn comedic. It's one-liner galore. When I went to watch it for the anniversary release, there was an absolute load of audience laughter.
It's VERY funny for the first half... when the characters are just going about their job and they're not really treating this situation very seriously...
...and then the Predator shows up, the tension builds up and the jokes mostly fade away...
I always liked the way it handled the humor.
Not looking good.
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/audiences-divided-over-the-predators-first-test-screenings/
It's just the exact same information we've already had. I believe there's only 2 sources for that intel as well so it's not a massive selection pool of feedback either.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 27, 2017, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2017, 08:45:41 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
Predator wasn't near as comedic as this one seems to be though, but maybe it will be a good thing that blends well in the final product.
Predator is pretty damn comedic. It's one-liner galore. When I went to watch it for the anniversary release, there was an absolute load of audience laughter.
It's VERY funny for the first half... when the characters are just going about their job and they're not really treating this situation very seriously...
...and then the Predator shows up, the tension builds up and the jokes mostly fade away...
I always liked the way it handled the humor.
Yeah, it's one of the rare instances where a film switches genre halfway through. What starts out as a 80's action one-liner fest suddenly turns into a serious tension-filled horror. It's so well done.
Quote from: PsyKore on Nov 29, 2017, 01:51:49 AM
Yeah, it's one of the rare instances where a film switches genre halfway through. What starts out as a 80's action one-liner fest suddenly turns into a serious tension-filled horror. It's so well done.
My meta-jokey-explanation is actually it's a horror movie from the start, but the characters don't figure that out until it's too late. Like some twisted Last Action Hero stuff.
Pity they changed
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Rory(?) - is that his name? It's been so long since I read the script - flying the ship. I knew when I read it it would cause geek rage but I f**kin' loved it. Not surprised if it got trimmed but I'll bet he's still onboard.
Do we know about the
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DNA from spines thing? Do they not hunt for sport anymore or is that gone?
Quote from: Jacku on Dec 06, 2017, 12:56:58 AM
Do we know about the
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DNA from spines thing? Do they not hunt for sport anymore or is that gone?
I believe it's both
Apparently that newer aspect was severely downplayed in the first testing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 06, 2017, 08:33:48 AM
Apparently that newer aspect was severely downplayed in the first testing.
Mmm interesting... But kinda weird since
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the plot revolves in a fair amount around that too
So is Olivia Munn still a scientist? :laugh:
I do believe so, yep.
I am concerned that they lay the comedy on too thick...I don't want this to become Beverly Hills Cop or Lethal Weapon with some predators
Lethal Weapon, the film with multiple torture scenes and Riggs almost eating a bullet: laying on the comedy thick. :laugh:
Shane Black is funny, but he isn't THAT funny. I remember reading an interview a while back where he said that he got the idea of Riggs putting the gun in his mouth because he did the same thing in real life. He had been through rough depression and i think it can be felt in his movies.
The thing that almost worries me most is the concept of Predators running around working with people wearing military fatigues, that's just.........dumb! I don't understand why that's is necessary at all. I feel like just having a genetically enhanced Predator in the movie is a massive risk since we've already got Super Preds, but on top of that Black wants to go the human predator team up route and make it even worse by dressing the Predators up like GiJoes????? Please tell me that whole idea has been completely scrapped.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 13, 2017, 10:11:02 AM
Lethal Weapon, the film with multiple torture scenes and Riggs almost eating a bullet: laying on the comedy thick. :laugh:
Have you seen Lethal Weapon 4? That's what I don't want.
Apparently The Predator is full of laughs...so yeah, a bit concerned
Quote from: happypred on Dec 14, 2017, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 13, 2017, 10:11:02 AM
Lethal Weapon, the film with multiple torture scenes and Riggs almost eating a bullet: laying on the comedy thick. :laugh:
Have you seen Lethal Weapon 4? That's what I don't want.
Apparently The Predator is full of laughs...so yeah, a bit concerned
Lethal Weapon 4 was neither written and/or directed by Black, he had zero input with that. It's like saying "have you seen Airbud 5?? I'm worried for The Predator now". No impact whatsoever.
You guys seem to miss the point of test screenings entirely. All they want is people to like this movie, for it to make more money. So the critic voices are actually a good thing, you can always tone down the comedy if people think it's just too much, that's not a problem at all editing a couple of jokes out, it's adding comedy in post that is actually hard to do.
Test screenings ruined many great movies and turned them in watered & dumbed down versions... They should be banished.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 14, 2017, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 14, 2017, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 13, 2017, 10:11:02 AM
Lethal Weapon, the film with multiple torture scenes and Riggs almost eating a bullet: laying on the comedy thick. :laugh:
Have you seen Lethal Weapon 4? That's what I don't want.
Apparently The Predator is full of laughs...so yeah, a bit concerned
Lethal Weapon 4 was neither written and/or directed by Black, he had zero input with that. It's like saying "have you seen Airbud 5?? I'm worried for The Predator now". No impact whatsoever.
You guys seem to miss the point of test screenings entirely. All they want is people to like this movie, for it to make more money. So the critic voices are actually a good thing, you can always tone down the comedy if people think it's just too much, that's not a problem at all editing a couple of jokes out, it's adding comedy in post that is actually hard to do.
Yeah Black wrote the first two Lethal Weapon only, the best of the series for most people, and for me too
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 14, 2017, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 14, 2017, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 13, 2017, 10:11:02 AM
Lethal Weapon, the film with multiple torture scenes and Riggs almost eating a bullet: laying on the comedy thick. :laugh:
Have you seen Lethal Weapon 4? That's what I don't want.
Apparently The Predator is full of laughs...so yeah, a bit concerned
Lethal Weapon 4 was neither written and/or directed by Black, he had zero input with that.
Beverly Hills Cop and Lethal Weapon (the franchises, not just the first film of each franchise) are just examples of Action Comedy that is too comedy-heavy (in my opinion) for a predator film.
Lethal Weapon 4's action/comedy balance would be
way too comedy-heavy for a predator film.
The extent of Shane Black's involvement or non-involvement with the Beverly Hills Cop or Lethal Weapon franchises is really beside the point. These action-comedy films are simply examples of what I don't want from a predator film.
Is there reason to believe that The Predator will be too funny? My concern is not based on Black's prior involvement with some of the Lethal Weapon films. It's based on the reaction of around half the test audience, i.e. they thought there was too much humour pumped into The Predator
Quote from: happypred on Dec 15, 2017, 07:17:06 AM
The extent of Shane Black's involvement or non-involvement with the Beverly Hills Cop or Lethal Weapon franchises is really beside the point. These action-comedy films are simply examples of what I don't want from a predator film.
It isn't beside the point when you have this particular creator and an example of his work in that kind of genre.
QuoteIs there reason to believe that The Predator will be too funny? My concern is not based on Black's prior involvement with some of the Lethal Weapon films. It's based on the reaction of around half the test audience, i.e. they thought there was too much humour pumped into The Predator
Fortunately, that's why they have test screenings so they can get this feedback. It's also why they don't like these reactions getting out as it's not representative of the final product.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
It isn't beside the point when you have this particular creator and an example of his work in that kind of genre.
It's beside the point because I've made it clear by now that I'm not making that argument (i.e. Shane Black made some funny movies...so The Predator will be a laugh riot). That's not my train of thought.
My train of thought is:
1. A lot of negative feedback from test audiences regarding too much comedy in The Predator
2. I hope they don't make The Predator too funny
3. What action films, in my view, count as "too funny" for a predator film? The Beverly Hills Cop and Lethal Weapon series.
QuoteFortunately, that's why they have test screenings so they can get this feedback. It's also why they don't like these reactions getting out as it's not representative of the final product.
One can hope.if the backlash is strong enough, should be some changes.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 15, 2017, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
It isn't beside the point when you have this particular creator and an example of his work in that kind of genre.
It's beside the point because I've made it clear by now that I'm not making that argument (i.e. Shane Black made some funny movies...so The Predator will be a laugh riot). That's not my train of thought.
My train of thought is:
1. A lot of negative feedback from test audiences regarding too much comedy in The Predator
2. I hope they don't make The Predator too funny
3. What action films, in my view, count as "too funny" for a predator film? The Beverly Hills Cop and Lethal Weapon series.
QuoteFortunately, that's why they have test screenings so they can get this feedback. It's also why they don't like these reactions getting out as it's not representative of the final product.
One can hope.if the backlash is strong enough, should be some changes.
The comedy will be toned down for sure, even the people liking the movie said it took some time to get used to the comedic (sarcastic?) tone of the movie. While that is 100% Shane Black, which i personally love, whats the point of these screenings if they just ignore the feedback and do nothing at all?
These screenings do have their place and benefits, for a director it can be hard, or even impossible, to stay open minded and objective when you edit the movie and see the same stuff for months over and over again, maybe that was their wake-call that maybe they overdid it at times... which can be changed pretty easily without reshoots, even if that would be the case, i wouldn't be worried, it's a common thing for summer movies now, Marvel does it all the time and let's be honest, they know how to please their crowd.
Quote from: jimmyboy on Nov 28, 2017, 07:15:03 AM
Not looking good.
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/audiences-divided-over-the-predators-first-test-screenings/
"With that in mind, and before we get into the nitty-gritty, we should stress that Fox's screenings were allegedly held in secret, so there's no way of telling if these knee-jerk reactions are legitimate. Nevertheless, they do make for interesting reading "
Umm...if it's not legit, then no, it's not an interesting read.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 15, 2017, 09:56:43 AM
My train of thought is:
1. A lot of negative feedback from test audiences regarding too much comedy in The Predator
2. I hope they don't make The Predator too funny
3. What action films, in my view, count as "too funny" for a predator film? The Beverly Hills Cop and Lethal Weapon series.
Agree with this.
One action film that was "too funny" was Deadpool. I think that took away from the movie. That said, I read somewhere that the Hollywood folk is (obviously) a tight knit community. And films usually have an "orgin" and/or timeline. In essence you'll see a lot of the same "themes" crop up.
One of the biggest influences we have at play right now is the comic book genre. Black was involved with one specifically. From there you had a couple of R-rated comic book movies (Deadpool and Logan), Stranger Things is a "force" in the industry they all have influence over one another.
I think the end all is, specially after the screenings, you'll see less of the outright comedic "funny-pred" stuff and the "antagonist-character-funny" stuff will stay. If anything the "funny" pred stuff will be at the expense and set up of the "human" characters themselves.
The shit I am hearing for this film makes me dread this will kill the franchise. A kid in a predator movie being the main character and autism giving him super intelligence to figure out their language, two predators being chummy with humans and living on earth and using human weaponry, a suburban neighborhood, predator dogs being made comedic, and a spider predator....this all sounds like its gonna make AVPR look like gold compared to this shit show coming our way.
The kid isn't the main character.
Like any movie - it isn't about the simplicity or complexity of the script/characters - it is how they are executed on screen. We will just have to wait and see.
Oh wow this isn't a simple reboot at all. They're taking an awful risk.... dare I say it, a Covenant risk.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 08, 2018, 10:00:51 AM
Oh wow this isn't a simple reboot at all. They're taking an awful risk.... dare I say it, a Covenant risk.
No risk, no fun.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 08, 2018, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 08, 2018, 10:00:51 AM
Oh wow this isn't a simple reboot at all. They're taking an awful risk.... dare I say it, a Covenant risk.
No risk, no fun.
Damn right. Although some of it is straight out of alpha centauri! I mean wow.
Just a quick question that popped in my head just now, and i don't remember seeing this being asked here... Does anyone mentioned how gory the film was ? I mean how the gore was portrayed ? Over the top gore ? Or maybe not that gory ? I'm very curious to know more about that...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 29, 2018, 09:20:00 PM
Just a quick question that popped in my head just now, and i don't remember seeing this being asked here... Does anyone mentioned how gory the film was ? I mean how the gore was portrayed ? Over the top gore ? Or maybe not that gory ? I'm very curious to know more about that...
"Harrrrrrrrrd R" says Trevante and "spines bleed... A lot" according to Shane Black
Quote from: ThePredatorUK on Jan 29, 2018, 09:28:20 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 29, 2018, 09:20:00 PM
Just a quick question that popped in my head just now, and i don't remember seeing this being asked here... Does anyone mentioned how gory the film was ? I mean how the gore was portrayed ? Over the top gore ? Or maybe not that gory ? I'm very curious to know more about that...
"Harrrrrrrrrd R" says Trevante and "spines bleed... A lot" according to Shane Black
Yes :laugh: i know, i just wanted to see if anyone shared any specific commentaries on this subject after the test screening ;)