Just curious as to what all the fans want to see from the new upcoming movie.
Me personally, I want the Alien to go back to its darker routes with more fear from not seeing the creature as much.
Oh and I really would like just one Alien film where we don't get a happy ending (not counting Aliens ending and Alien 3 picking up where it left off or Alien Covenants David).
One preferably where the Alien is not defeated and we are left to ponder what comes next.
Just thinking visually for now, since we're pretty in the dark on what the movie's actual ambitions are, I would love for the world it is set on - be it called "Romulus" or something else - to be the site of ancient, decaying biomechanical Engineer/Space Jockey ruins (with a bit of Covenant-esque Roman architecture thrown in, for good measure).
Recent implied habitation by David, in between the Engineers' departure and the film's cast's arrival, would be cool but is not a requirement. ;)
I want Ridley to go crazy and turn this into some sort of spiritual successor ;D
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But yeah, I know he's not directing lol
As much as a disliked Covenant I still wanna know what happened with David.
I know I don't want to see anything from the prequels
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jan 08, 2023, 06:46:31 AMI know I don't want to see anything from the prequels
I know we butt heads sometimes but for this we are absolutely in agreement.
I want it to be different, like as different as Alien Resurrection was from Alien³ as Alien³ was from Aliens and as Aliens was from Alien, it is something I loved immediately about the series from my first exposure as a kid to them on DVD.
When I flipped open that Quadrilogy to me it was never one film was clearly better than the other at that time, but did I want to be immersed in the discovery of the derelict, or the dazzling fun trill ride of Aliens, the intensity of Alien³ and such triumph over the animal and man, or the bizarre Saturday Morning cartoon feeling I got watching Alien Resurrection.
Just take the basic concept and make it your own.
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Couldn't have said it better myself
And knowing Álvarez, I'd imagine that the sensibilities inherent to his brand of filmmaking are going to yield something trashier/schlockier than we're used to from this particular series (and mind you, I don't say that in a demeaning way at all, it's just his particular style that he usually goes for and he's proven that over and over again). It will be very interesting to see how that translates to Alien.
Just give me a movie that makes me feel something.
TC
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 01:30:52 PMI want it to be different, like as different as Alien Resurrection was from Alien³ as Alien³ was from Aliens and as Aliens was from Alien, it is something I loved immediately about the series from my first exposure as a kid to them on DVD.
When I flipped open that Quadrilogy to me it was never one film was clearly better than the other at that time, but did I want to be immersed in the discovery of the derelict, or the dazzling fun trill ride of Aliens, the intensity of Alien³ and such triumph over the animal and man, or the bizarre Saturday Morning cartoon feeling I got watching Alien Resurrection.
Just take the basic concept and make it your own.
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That's true. Each movie is different and with its own vibe. Arguably even the prequels.
Prometheus with its grandiose space adventure concept, then
Covenant with its gothic elements. But yup, that is more beautifully appreciable with the original
Alien Quadrilogy, and it would be nicely accurate for
Alien Romulus film to be unique as well.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 08, 2023, 02:23:06 PMAnd knowing Álvarez, I'd imagine that the sensibilities inherent to his brand of filmmaking are going to yield something trashier/schlockier than we're used to from this particular series (and mind you, I don't say that in a demeaning way at all, it's just his particular style that he usually goes for and he's proven that over and over again). It will be very interesting to see how that translates to Alien.
I'm not very familiar with Álvarez's
filmography. Do his movies have a campy vibe or something?
Quote from: TC on Jan 08, 2023, 03:47:03 PMJust give me a movie that makes me feel something.
TC
Well, some movies can make us feel amazed, satisfied, disappointed... but to the point of not making us feel anything at all? Is there any movie on the
IP that has left you with that feeling?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 08, 2023, 04:46:24 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 08, 2023, 02:23:06 PMAnd knowing Álvarez, I'd imagine that the sensibilities inherent to his brand of filmmaking are going to yield something trashier/schlockier than we're used to from this particular series (and mind you, I don't say that in a demeaning way at all, it's just his particular style that he usually goes for and he's proven that over and over again). It will be very interesting to see how that translates to Alien.
I'm not very familiar with Álvarez's filmography. Do his movies have a campy vibe or something?
Not so much campy (except for the moments in his
Evil Dead remake that are explicitly attempting to harken back to Raimi's originals), but more so grindhousey I'd say. Heavy on the gore, eager to make things gross, and pretty meanspirited and brutal in going about it. Definitely not an artsy type of horror, by any means.
Don't Breathe fits that bill, too.
In the main body of
Alien films, the closest thing to his work, IMO, would probably be
Covenant's shower sequence. I wouldn't be shocked if his film maintains a similar tone/energy as that throughout.
I want the creature to revert to the xeno's behaviour in the very first film. Instead of screeching like a hissing cat that has just had a bucket of water thrown over it and running straight at trouble, have it circle like a lion. Have it have the patience it did when it observed Brett. Have it be curious. Have it have some kind of unsettling undetone to what it is doing to its victims rather than another headbite, pull-away shot.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jan 08, 2023, 05:51:54 PMI want the creature to revert to the xeno's behaviour in the very first film. Instead of screeching like a hissing cat that has just had a bucket of water thrown over it and running straight at trouble, have it circle like a lion. Have it have the patience it did when it observed Brett. Have it be curious. Have it have some kind of unsettling undetone to what it is doing to its victims rather than another headbite, pull-away shot.
Yes, in addition to Giger's design, that is something that has not been repeated again. The Alien's behavior was almost sapien. Then it got more feral with each installment.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 08, 2023, 05:14:00 PMNot so much campy (except for the moments in his Evil Dead remake that are explicitly attempting to harken back to Raimi's originals), but more so grindhousey I'd say. Heavy on the gore, eager to make things gross, and pretty meanspirited and brutal in going about it. Definitely not an artsy type of horror, by any means. Don't Breathe fits that bill, too.
In the main body of Alien films, the closest thing to his work, IMO, would probably be Covenant's shower sequence. I wouldn't be shocked if his film maintains a similar tone/energy as that throughout.
Oh..the shower scene? gotcha😅 We've never seen anything grindhouse in Alien. I remember a member of this site was editing the first
Alien movie in that style. Quite interesting:
▶️ Star Beast: Alien Grindhoused - a fanedit (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65419.0)
daisy ridley as ripley clone 8.
the only current actresd that has a stage presence anywhere near weaver.
ignore this. just some random musings
I'd just do a soft reboot. Keep the Alien and series staples like WY (or the corporate influence of the future), USCMC, etc but totally ignore the prequels and anything tied into Ripley.
If the standalone away from the same elements is a success then you can spawn other standalone films to follow in those footsteps. If it isn't then as much as I hate to say it, because I despise Prometheus, then the age of sequels that continually tie into one storyline will continue.
I just want Scott to not be involved. He has hijacked the franchise and wrecked its corpse on a broken shore somewhere off of mediocrity isle.
He's become the John Calipari of the Alien franchise. He's won a title. Had some success since that title, but has been too long doing the same work with the same team...........and needs to take his ass on somewhere so the team can grow without his influence over the franchise.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 07, 2023, 11:38:16 PMJust thinking visually for now, since we're pretty in the dark on what the movie's actual ambitions are, I would love for the world it is set on - be it called "Romulus" or something else - to be the site of ancient, decaying biomechanical Engineer/Space Jockey ruins (with a bit of Covenant-esque Roman architecture thrown in, for good measure).
Recent implied habitation by David, in between the Engineers' departure and the film's cast's arrival, would be cool but is not a requirement. ;)
With news of every Alien release, I will always want to see a proper Giger-world, to see his biomechanics just stretch off into the distance. I'd also be happy with a Hiveworld, a large scale hive. I also quite like the sounds of your take on the concept, with Romulus being that world.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 01:30:52 PMI want it to be different, like as different as Alien Resurrection was from Alien³ as Alien³ was from Aliens and as Aliens was from Alien, it is something I loved immediately about the series from my first exposure as a kid to them on DVD.
Also an entirely fair point and something that I love about the series. And judging from Don't Breathe and Evil Dead, I think we will have a completely different feeling Alien film. I think it may lean into Alien with a darker look, but I think tonally it'll feel completely different which is fine by me. I'm expecting a very brutal film and I'll aboard that, especially if we get a more sadistic and brutal take on the Alien too.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jan 08, 2023, 05:51:54 PMI want the creature to revert to the xeno's behaviour in the very first film. Instead of screeching like a hissing cat that has just had a bucket of water thrown over it and running straight at trouble, have it circle like a lion. Have it have the patience it did when it observed Brett. Have it be curious. Have it have some kind of unsettling undetone to what it is doing to its victims rather than another headbite, pull-away shot.
Yes. Just yes!
with that title
I want the crew to crash land on an Engineer planet.
I want them to be made prisoners of the Engineers
and i want them to fight in colosseum arenas against aliens
while this plays
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 08, 2023, 04:46:24 PMQuote from: TC on Jan 08, 2023, 03:47:03 PMJust give me a movie that makes me feel something.
TC
Well, some movies can make us feel amazed, satisfied, disappointed... but to the point of not making us feel anything at all? Is there any movie on the IP that has left you with that feeling?
Yes.
Prometheus and
Covenant.
But I get that your usage of the word "feel" is different from mine.
You're using "feel" in the context of expressing an opinion ("I
feel that Ridley Scott is the best director" means the same thing as "I
think Ridley Scott is the best director").
Likewise, you can express opinions about various movies the same way: "I
feel that movie is amazing/satisfying/disappointing" cf "I
think that movie is amazing/satisfying/disappointing."
QuoteJust give me a movie that makes me feel something.
I was talking about the emotions you "feel," in real-time, as the movie plays out before you.
Mainly this comes from a high degree of empathy with the main character(s). In stories, it's the best way to capture the audience's attention and build interest and enjoyment.
However, if a film hasn't built that empathetic connection between me and the characters, that doesn't necessarily mean it's total shit. There are other ways to enjoy a film, it's just that those other ways are less enduring. For example, I can be entertained by a bit of spectacle (a few explosions, a car chase here and there), some mystery and suspense, and a few state-of-the-art visual effects.
This is my experience with
Prometheus and
Covenant - enjoyable, lots to see, lots to experience; but not much empathy going on.
When you make a movie you are creating a virtual world, and as we know from modern gaming, the best virtual worlds are all about immersion. But in drama we go beyond what you see and hear, we also try to immerse you in the lives of the characters by giving you that empathetical connection with them, so that you feel what they feel.
In the end, this is what every artist strives to achieve (be they musician, poet, filmmaker): to make you feel something.
TC
Quote from: TC on Jan 09, 2023, 03:49:33 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 08, 2023, 04:46:24 PMQuote from: TC on Jan 08, 2023, 03:47:03 PMJust give me a movie that makes me feel something.
TC
Well, some movies can make us feel amazed, satisfied, disappointed... but to the point of not making us feel anything at all? Is there any movie on the IP that has left you with that feeling?
Yes. Prometheus and Covenant.
But I get that your usage of the word "feel" is different from mine.
You're using "feel" in the context of expressing an opinion ("I feel that Ridley Scott is the best director" means the same thing as "I think Ridley Scott is the best director").
Likewise, you can express opinions about various movies the same way: "I feel that movie is amazing/satisfying/disappointing" cf "I think that movie is amazing/satisfying/disappointing."
QuoteJust give me a movie that makes me feel something.
I was talking about the emotions you "feel," in real-time, as the movie plays out before you.
Mainly this comes from a high degree of empathy with the main character(s). In stories, it's the best way to capture the audience's attention and build interest and enjoyment.
However, if a film hasn't built that empathetic connection between me and the characters, that doesn't necessarily mean it's total shit. There are other ways to enjoy a film, it's just that those other ways are less enduring. For example, I can be entertained by a bit of spectacle (a few explosions, a car chase here and there), some mystery and suspense, and a few state-of-the-art visual effects.
This is my experience with Prometheus and Covenant - enjoyable, lots to see, lots to experience; but not much empathy going on.
When you make a movie you are creating a virtual world, and as we know from modern gaming, the best virtual worlds are all about immersion. But in drama we go beyond what you see and hear, we also try to immerse you in the lives of the characters by giving you that empathetical connection with them, so that you feel what they feel.
In the end, this is what every artist strives to achieve (be they musician, poet, filmmaker): to make you feel something.
TC
Fair enough. But on the other hand...What in your opinion is the Alien movie that has the best worldbuilding? when it comes to the presentation of the world, its characters...etc.
I will say though, a lot of artists just create for themselves, and I think that approach totally valid even if it does not always appeal to me.
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 09, 2023, 10:56:12 AMwith that title
I want the crew to crash land on an Engineer planet.
I want them to be made prisoners of the Engineers
and i want them to fight in colosseum arenas against aliens
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They really teased me lastime >:(
I want to see a completely new alien creature. obviously a related breed of the xenomorph, but as new in design as the queen was in aliens. No facehuggers and the other stuff. Make something new and surprising!
I'd like some Aliens in my Alien movie please.
You can find things that aren't Aliens in all those movies that aren't part of the Aliens franchise. There's a few.
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I want them to be made prisoners of the Engineers
and i want them to fight in colosseum arenas against aliens
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They'll be forced to wear biomechanical half-helmets.
Half of everything, actually
I'd like to see more androids. Androids would do most of the dirty and dangerous works. They'd protect people. And androids would help people calculate and plan faster. The human characters would be so dependent on the androids that they wouldn't know what to do without them. And add in a person who refused to become dependent on the androids. This person would be a survivalist. The other people would become dependent on him when there are no androids nearby. Actually, I think we're really headed in this direction of becoming dependent on AI. Look at how far we've come with AI technology:
And introduce xenomorphs that are scarier than before. The original ones are good, but it'll take more to scare the
Alien fans now. I wouldn't mind having the original versions in addition to the new ones. (The new ones don't have to be considered as new in the movie). Make the androids as impressive fighters. And yet make the xenomorphs scary and powerful enough to be a handful for the androids.
I'd like a return to the cosmic horror of the first one: The aliens not just as vicious extraterrestrial animals but as a manifestation of a cruel, dark universe.
I'd also enjoy some hints that the engineers are a species that were inspired by and emulated the OG space jockeys.
And PLEASE, don't try to come up with an even bigger version of the alien. I hate when sequels try to come up with "improved" versions of the monster.
I like the first one too, but I lost the feeling of mystery and horror from it after watching the Alien series for decades. It's also probably because of the way a much later movie depicted the xenomorphs. Now it's like watching a Marvel movie. I understand the viewers who are relatively new to these series. It took a long time for me to lose my fear of the early ones. This is why I liked the Queen in the second movie.
I dunno honestly. The name Romulus kinda has me terrified of some pretentious shit they have planned... But regardless, all I do know is that I'd like it to be well-written. I think this was the main curse with the prequels: ultimately good films but written poorly. So hopefully they could avoid making the same mistake and create a more consistently good film. This is how low the bar has come for me - I just want a coherent and well-crafted film for f**ks sake. :laugh: It doesn't need to reinvent the wheel, just given some care and be good across the board.
Apart from that, bring the old slow-moving, curious/creepy "in the shadows" alien back. It's been so f**king long since we've seen one like it that it'll be fresh again anyway.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2023, 04:03:35 PM...What in your opinion is the Alien movie that has the best worldbuilding? when it comes to the presentation of the world, its characters...etc.
It seems to me all the films restricted their settings to very confined microcosms within a larger human society that was only ever vaguely hinted at. I think it's always been the nature of the Alien stories to confine themselves that way - at least, this seems to be the case for the movies. "World-building," the way we know it today, wasn't a thing back then except for novelists and peculiar visionaries like George Lucas and maybe Gene Roddenberry. 90 per cent of the Alien-'verse is the product of EU material like comics, novels and games.
But if pushed I'd say
Aliens went furthest to show off the broadest cross-section of human society:
Technology:
Aliens has the best glimpse at how space-travel works (although still not great. e.g. no explanation of FTL travel, although hibernation is somehow involved). Humans are now into terraforming.
Sociology: Human expansion has created a diaspora of civilian pioneer colonisers. There is an all-consuming work ethic (the only leisure activity we witness is the kids on the tricycles at Hadleys Hope). Husbands and wives and their whole families go off on "wildcat" expeditions together.
Corporate and bureaucratic function: We see the ICC investigation at work.
Military function and technology: Well, yeah, we see lots of that.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 04:09:39 PMI will say though, a lot of artists just create for themselves, and I think that approach totally valid even if it does not always appeal to me.
As soon as I read this I thought of my own bits of fan-fic that I dabble in. Sometimes I show it to friends, but not often. Mostly I write it for myself. It's therapeutic.
TC
If this movies tries explaining anything from the mythos then it is already ruined.
Set it underwater, in the long-since flooded ruins of an Engineer city. Put bulky claustrophobic diving suits for the humans....
Honestly I just want something that matches the brooding, cosmic-horror, atmosphere and tension of the first film.
Some good world-building and expansion would be greatly appreciated. I'm definitely in the same camp as others of wanting to see some engineer/jockey/Giger architecture (as well as wanting a xeno that is more akin to stalking big-chap than the crazy screechers we've gotten in recent installments). But honestly I'm not holding my breath for any of that. If it's just a simple, back-to-basics Alien story (in the same way Prey was) with genuinely good tension and atmosphere, then I will be satisfied.
It's been forever since I've seen it, but I was happy with the Evil Dead remake, and I liked Don't Breathe a fair amount. So I'm mostly optimistic for something at least solid and satisfactory.
seriously
egg morphing on a large scale. then seeing an alien return to egg like state as many people thought was happening to the alien on the narcasis. but for the 3rd time. seeing a hive slowly growing around live victims while not face hugged they are slowly being turned albino worker aliens that has the proboscis mouth. seeing some ship being grown from a hive itself being alive while space warp biological engines made many many dead peoples bodies slowly push their way through theb skin of the ship.
Eggmorphing would be good for body horror. Who knows, maybe Alvarez is the one to make the concept canon once and for all.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 10, 2023, 05:58:41 PMSet it underwater, in the long-since flooded ruins of an Engineer city. Put bulky claustrophobic diving suits for the humans....
The last movie I saw with that kind of setting was
Underwater (2020). It was quite enjoyabled, and the good thing is that it didn't require such a high budget to make it. Maybe in the future someone can do that with the Alien sandbox.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2023, 10:02:58 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 10, 2023, 05:58:41 PMSet it underwater, in the long-since flooded ruins of an Engineer city. Put bulky claustrophobic diving suits for the humans....
The last movie I saw with that kind of setting was Underwater (2020). It was quite enjoyabled, and the good thing is that it didn't require such a high budget to make it. Maybe in the future someone can do that with the Alien sandbox.
Yeah,
Underwater was definitely something coming to mind when I wrote that (along with certain elements from
Avatar: The Way of Water and, funny enough, the comic
Predator: Hell or High Water as well). I think
Underwater was fun enough (though I really hated TJ Miller, and the third act didn't really have any 'oomph' to it and it just petered out a bit from what I recall), with some pretty killer design work for the human tech (I love those suits so, so much). Keep your ears peeled for a few familiar sound effects recycled from the Nostromo, too! ;) I should revisit that one, I haven't seen it since the theatrical release in January 2020.
But yeah, applying something like that, but with an alien ocean littered with ancient, grotesque ruins on another world, to the
Alien franchise is something that would actually be very appealing to me.
More big bulky suits in general, honestly. Give me some more space suits. I love the idea of the suit being this additional cumbersome barrier between life and death for these characters, adding an extra layer of tension and claustrophobia as the Alien too runs amok.
True, poor ergonomics and the inherent dangers of the environment work very well in Alien. It complements the tension of the movie, and helps in the empathy that the audience might come to feel for the characters. And even in worldbuilding (the Company doesn't care enough about the physical / psychological integrity of its workers...etc)
The creatures in Underwater were terrible. Not in design, but because they mostly just seemed to harass the characters until they accidentally died.
Like except the one time one tries to eat somebody it doesn't even feel like they're turning to kill anyone. Really took the threat out.
I want the very practical in camera look and feel of Alvarez Evil Dead and the tension of Don't Breathe. Some hints that David's out there causing mischief would be nice too.
Anything as long as it involves our favorite vagina spiders and penis headed rape monsters. ;)
Look at what AI is capable of now:
Imagine what AI would be capable of when this movie takes place. AI would be a major part of the people's lives. This would give us a new futuristic feel of the movie. Now imagine how a survivalist would be in this movie.
We know what it's capable of -- completely emulating a human being, emotions and all. They've been there since the first movie. Reality is catching up, not the other way around.
Alien was ahead of its time 8)
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jan 10, 2023, 04:13:28 PMIf this movies tries explaining anything from the mythos then it is already ruined.
Do you think the evolution from Space Jockey to Engineer was a prime example of that?
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I think this movie will be a smaller, tighter, back to basics Alien movie set in one location. That seems to be what the directors strenght is anyway.
What I actually want is a Biomechanical Planet and the true Space Jockeys; but that seems more like a movie for Denis Villeneuve.
Quote from: T Dog on Jan 16, 2023, 01:13:37 AMI think this movie will be a smaller, tighter, back to basics Alien movie set in one location. That seems to be what the directors strenght is anyway.
I hope it's as successful as Prey.
Quote from: T Dog on Jan 16, 2023, 01:13:37 AMWhat I actually want is a Biomechanical Planet and the true Space Jockeys; but that seems more like a movie for Denis Villeneuve.
Villeneuve after playing Scorn🤩
Quote from: T Dog on Jan 16, 2023, 01:13:37 AMI think this movie will be a smaller, tighter, back to basics Alien movie set in one location. That seems to be what the directors strenght is anyway.
Indeed. Based on Don't Breathe, I do feel like Fede would be able to capture something like the feel of playing a section of Alien: Isolation.
Not happening but if those were the parameters; my ideal would be a story about a colonist or two who in error wake up from hyper sleep aboard the Covenant, encounter what David's cooking up and try to escape..but don't 😏
Mostly I want it to be a good film; a good scary film.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 16, 2023, 10:54:54 AMQuote from: T Dog on Jan 16, 2023, 01:13:37 AMI think this movie will be a smaller, tighter, back to basics Alien movie set in one location. That seems to be what the directors strenght is anyway.
Indeed. Based on Don't Breathe, I do feel like Fede would be able to capture something like the feel of playing a section of Alien: Isolation.
It would be great if Fede introduced eggmorphing as the life cycle.
Quote from: David Weyland on Jan 16, 2023, 11:23:50 AMNot happening but if those were the parameters; my ideal would be a story about a colonist or two who in error wake up from hyper sleep aboard the Covenant, encounter what David's cooking up and try to escape..but don't 😏
Reminds me of
Pandorum, also that Jennifer Lawrence movie with Chris Pratt, but more like
Pandorum😅
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Quote from: David Weyland on Jan 16, 2023, 11:23:50 AMNot happening but if those were the parameters; my ideal would be a story about a colonist or two who in error wake up from hyper sleep aboard the Covenant, encounter what David's cooking up and try to escape..but don't 😏
Could also be a pretty solid launching point for a spiritual successor to
Alien: Isolation.
I'd like to see something new added to the mythology without seemingly being too far removed from the underlying storyline insinuated in the background of the other films.
What I don't want to see is something so traditional that it acts and behaves as a soft remake.
Just a decent film that adds something conceptual to the lore, while creating more context and intrigue for everything else, upcoming and prior.
If it attracted Fox and Scott quickly, I suspect Alvarez had/has some central conceptual idea that works on a smaller scale.
As a director - he isn't my choice but - he isn't a loss. A good thing about Alvarez is that he has proven he knows how to make a properly suspenseful claustrophobic thriller, something the series made a mistake straying away from. The looming threat of alien environments, where people are at the mercy of the elements in the vacuum of space, has been missing since A:R.
Another check mark in Alvarez' box is that he isn't afraid to push the perversity of the gore, which is one of the most welcome things this series is known for.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jan 17, 2023, 03:57:07 AMI'd like to see something new added to the mythology without seemingly being too far removed from the underlying storyline insinuated in the background of the other films.
What I don't want to see is something so traditional that it acts and behaves as a soft remake.
Just a decent film that adds something conceptual to the lore and creates more context and intrigue for everything else upcoming and prior.
This is important too. I don't want it to be a retread. I really want it to add something new, even if it's not something lore shaking in impact, but something new while still being an all-around-solid film.
I wonder if someone could pull off environmental storytelling in the vain of Dark Souls but in an Alien movie. The Derelict scene in the original is some of the all time greatest environmental storytelling in all of cinema, Prometheus had some good ideas but bad execution; it felt like there was a lot of mystery box nonsense.
My daydream that I've been kicking around for a few years now is for there to be a "Circle of Biomechanical Gods", think a biomechanical extraterrestrial take on the Cenobites from Hellraiser. Each of them has a unique look but a shared aesthetic. The Space Jockey is just one of the members of this circle and has it's own region of the Universe that it oversees; it created the Engineers who then stole it's tech. The last known whereabouts of The Space Jockey is on LV426. The rest of the "Circle of Biomechanical Gods"? Who knows where they are or what they have created.
Im just hoping the movie will stay within the alien franchise borders and not try to break it or come up with technology that shouldnt exist in this time period its set within. (looking angrily at prometheus and covenant.)
I dont want any new bigger or deadlier xenomorph or new stuff to be entertained, give me a good story and characters one care for and is well written, add the wonder and mystteries of the universe that Alien and Aliens and alien 3 had, see the derelight and seeing space jockey was amazing and mind blowing: We arent alone and this thing died from the xenos long time ago and is from parts of the universe we havent been to. (until prometheus f**ked it up.)
Make the engineers to be a product of the true space jockeys who are way more gigerish design and totally alien to us, giger like ships that is grown, crew members thats grown for dedicated tasks in the ship/buildings etc. They made the engineers just like they created humans and yautja etc.
I hope we see the classic xenomorphs and warrior designs and nothing new, bigger, different etc just because people want to see new creature each time with these movies, we have clear set how xenomorphs work and what makes them so terryfing. In the books, comics, alien isolation the normal xenomorph drone have terrified us 30 years after the alien movie was released but still its still scary as f**k when the story and movie is good.
For those who say: make new xenomorphs different, new ways of killing humans or be different, bigger, deadlier and wishing the xenomorph to act different and do new things: At that stage its better to just make a new movie monster and new movie and a new franchise instead in my eyes.
And for the androids should be everywhere and do everything and AI will do everythign for the humans and humans being dependent on it: We havent seen anything like that in the alien movies, and where this movie takes place: theres not even holograms or advanced AI helpers, not even 200 years ahead ina lien resurrection do we have such technology, and sea of sorrows additional 100 years later: we still dont have AI or holograms like this. This is one of the reasons I dislike prometheus and covenant: now we have holograms and technology more advanced than what we have 400 years later, technology to scann and know exactly where xenos are on planets or on the ship when nostromo couldnt track it nor on sulaco or dropship.
If people want advanced AI and super advanced technology in alien movie: its the wrong franchise, the movies in the series have shown theres no such technology in the alien timeline.
Here is one good thing disney did with star wars sequels: the computers and technology was still the same as in the older movies to stay in line with what we know.
In short: Just give me a good well written horror and blood and gore movie with interesting characters and awe and wonder of the universe and xenomorphs thats scary and deadly again, big chaps return please. :D
Hmm, it depends as I assume that Romulus won't thread on R.Scott and his vision regarding the Engineers and David. Even so, I think there's a lot of potential there when it comes to Origae 6 and the Covenant
My ideal sequel would tie the prequels to ALIEN:RESURRECTION, as in David and the Covenant being gone for hundreds of years then to reappear in the era of Ripley 8. I say this as I want the Derelict on LV-426 to remain a mystery, and I like the idea of David not being the creator of the XX121 Xenomorphs rather than being the re-creator of the species.
I would love to see Call and David meet, as they're such opposites. David will envy her ability to recreate whereas he'll at the same time find her to be just as "weak" as us humans. I also think that David would be more than intrigued by Ripley 8 as she's a hybrid - a super human demi-xenomorph of sorts.
They can explain away that Call has 'aged' simply as a cosmetic strategy to keep people from suspecting that she might be an auton. Ripley 8 looking older can be dealt with by simply giving her some biomechanoid attributes as she's been slowly transforming toward something slightly more Alien since the day she was cloned. Or, simply, Ripley 8 ages just like other people with human DNA like ours, hence why she looks older (yet is still stronger, faster and smarter than people that look a fraction of her age).
If they want to make it a vendetta kind of thing - which I'm not really that hot about - they could still have David being the creator of the XX121 Xenomorph, and that the Derelict on LV-426 is simply an Engineer that tried to escape David and his beasts during an altercation that happened at some point after the event seen in ALIEN:COVENANT.
I don't know if ALIEN:ROMULUS is the right movie to deal with this type setting and story line,but still, it would be fascinating to see, if handled correctly.
I'm also totally ok with a standalone Alien movie taking place at some point after ALIEN 3, only partially hinting where they got the Xenomorph specimen(s) from.
Quote from: S.E.B. on Jan 19, 2023, 11:28:41 PMAfter ALIEN 3, only partially hinting where they got the Xenomorph specimen(s) from.
Like alien Fire team Elite!
I think Gaska will help make plot!
And i hope officially crossover with avp in future!
Quote from: S.E.B. on Jan 19, 2023, 11:28:41 PMMy ideal sequel would tie the prequels to ALIEN:RESURRECTION, as in David and the Covenant being gone for hundreds of years then to reappear in the era of Ripley 8. I say this as I want the Derelict on LV-426 to remain a mystery, and I like the idea of David not being the creator of the XX121 Xenomorphs rather than being the re-creator of the species.
That was an idea I kicked around the forum here a few years back. An Alien V that concluded both the prequel timeline and the original timeline. What the actual story would be though I have no idea? Would Ripley want to destroy the Alien or to rule the Alien alongside David?
a ripley 8 and call team up discovering lost files on a mainframe server leads them to find david and the remains of shaw.
i like that idea
Ripley 8's daughters make organisation of super humans named Hive!
Where ripley 8 is queen!
And they will be rule new WY analogue!
Quote from: S.E.B. on Jan 19, 2023, 11:28:41 PMRipley 8 looking older can be dealt with by simply giving her some biomechanoid attributes as she's been slowly transforming toward something slightly more Alien since the day she was cloned.
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Quote from: T Dog on Jan 22, 2023, 06:01:38 PMQuote from: S.E.B. on Jan 19, 2023, 11:28:41 PMMy ideal sequel would tie the prequels to ALIEN:RESURRECTION, as in David and the Covenant being gone for hundreds of years then to reappear in the era of Ripley 8. I say this as I want the Derelict on LV-426 to remain a mystery, and I like the idea of David not being the creator of the XX121 Xenomorphs rather than being the re-creator of the species.
That was an idea I kicked around the forum here a few years back. An Alien V that concluded both the prequel timeline and the original timeline. What the actual story would be though I have no idea? Would Ripley want to destroy the Alien or to rule the Alien alongside David?
I like that scenario. Imagine Ripley 8's reaction after learning from David himself that the Aliens are his creation...
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ALIEN5!
Idea
Ripley 8's daughters make organisation of Super Humans named Hive!
Where ripley 8 is queen!
And they will be rule new WY analogue!
Vs Super Newborns Aliens Hive!
Ripley 8's Daughters
They are like Prorotype girls!
Who fight vs Super Aliens!
Ripley 8 queen grow up!
And can mutation to alien queen like Venom!
Possible
Riley 8 Queen! Will be fight vs male alien who become alien king!
Like in species 2!
Alien King can be
clone or great grandson of
Copral Hiks
But possible it bad idea!
Or no!
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Alien 5!
What do I want to see? Nothing but a good movie. I don't have any other expectations as they can spoil your reaction. Keep your mind pure.
Bring back space jockeys.
Quote from: Nelostic on Jan 23, 2023, 11:48:22 AMALIEN5!
Idea
Ripley 8's daughters make organisation of Super Humans named Hive!
Where ripley 8 is queen!
And they will be rule new WY analogue!
Vs Super Newborns Aliens Hive!
Ripley 8's Daughters
They are like Prorotype girls!
Who fight vs Super Aliens!
Ripley 8 queen grow up!
And can mutation to alien queen like Venom!
Possible
Riley 8 Queen! Will be fight vs male alien who become alien king!
Like in species 2!
Alien King can be
clone or great grandson of
Copral Hiks
But possible it bad idea!
Or no!
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Alien 5!
And in the final act of the movie 100 Powerloaders will fight the Hive!
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She reminds me of Sarah Kerrigan from
StarCraft.
QuoteAnd in the final act of the movie 100 Powerloaders will fight the Hive!
No!
100 armour mechas!
And 1st giant mecha vs alien empress size like godzilla!
And 2nd giant mecha vs alien emperor same size!
QuoteShe reminds me of Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft.
Yes!
Quote from: Nelostic on Jan 25, 2023, 11:49:12 PMQuoteAnd in the final act of the movie 100 Powerloaders will fight the Hive!
No!
100 armour mechas!
And 1st giant mecha vs alien empress size like godzilla!
And 2nd giant mecha vs alien emperor same size!
QuoteShe reminds me of Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft.
Yes!
So if the Preds are the Protoss, the Engineers the Xel'Naga...then who are the crabators supposed to be? Warhammer 40k orks?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 26, 2023, 02:57:19 AMSo if the Preds are the Protoss, the Engineers the Xel'Naga...then who are the crabators supposed to be? Warhammer 40k orks?
Feral predators!
I really wait when avp become like
Star Craft and Warhammer!
With super aliens like giger's the thing
Vs super predators like upgrade!
Engineers vs predator engineers!
(Creators of humans vs Creators of Predators!)
(Like angels vs devils)
Humans vs everyone!
And many planets
Giger planets like
Paradise
Hell
Biomechanical jungle
Alien homeworld
Predator city planet!
hybrids etc!
Giant giger cellestials like in marvel
And same giant aliens for them with redesign!
And some Similar
like thanos engineer
And knal engineer!
Etc!
Black-blue engineers race
Black- predator engineers
Etc!
And their super villains too!
Engineer's Sci-Fi God!
Predator Engineer's Sci-Fi Devil!
Etc
I think AvP will become Epic war!
[I think disney just do it]
Quote from: Nelostic on Jan 26, 2023, 10:50:19 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 26, 2023, 02:57:19 AMSo if the Preds are the Protoss, the Engineers the Xel'Naga...then who are the crabators supposed to be? Warhammer 40k orks?
Feral predators!
I really wait when avp become like
Star Craft and Warhammer!
With super aliens like giger's the thing
Vs super predators like upgrade!
Engineers vs predator engineers!
(Creators of humans vs Creators of Predators!)
(Like angels vs devils)
Humans vs everyone!
And many planets
Giger planets like
Paradise
Hell
Biomechanical jungle
Alien homeworld
Predator city planet!
hybrids etc!
Giant giger cellestials like in marvel
And same giant aliens for them with redesign!
And some Similar
like thanos engineer
And knal engineer!
Etc!
Black-blue engineers race
Black- predator engineers
Etc!
And their super villains too!
Engineer's Sci-Fi God!
Predator Engineer's Sci-Fi Devil!
Etc
I think AvP will become Epic war!
[I think disney just do it]
Is egg-barfing part of the Protoss-zerg hybrid life cycle?🤔
But you know what...who cares?! ^^ I actually dig your way of thinking 8) 👉👈
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2023, 01:19:14 AMIs egg-barfing part of the Protoss-zerg hybrid life cycle?🤔
But you know what...who cares?! ^^ I actually dig your way of thinking 8) 👉👈
Aliens just mutants
They can change their bodies for evolution
Like in characters editor!
Exist little alien queen with little eggs with little facehuggers
And little predalien queen in
AvPR
But they Grow Up to big!
Last form alien empress giant like godzilla
And
Alien goddess giant like planet!
(With facehuggers giant like skyscrapers
Who can fly in space!
Who squirt humans some like black goo and they all mutation to aliens)
(Facehuggers for cellestials and giant engineers like galactus)
I think would be cool fight with same giant mecha!
Like in evangelion final!
And i think aliens can make their spaceships
like derelict from alien 1
And they want take over Universe!
Etc!
Aliens vs Predators movie become more and more Epic
I think final will be epic like it!
But in Giger Style!
And i want
The predator sequel
Where predators attack earth.
With predator killer suits.
But humans with this technology make
Military colors Ironmans army suits!
And Giant human's mechas vs Giant predator's mechas
look like human mechas vs desepticons from transformers!
But in final i want for earth become giger's hell!
And humans back for back earth and terraforming to home!
@Nelostic I would describe your way of expressing your thoughts as "explosive" and "snowball-like". Which is quite unique and not bad at all
Wish more people were like you honestly Kradan.
Thank You!
It just
AvP
+
Star Wars
+
Star Craft
+
Warhammer 40 000
+
Lovecraft!
Future of AvP can Look like It!
Giant Upgrade Predator King
vs Giant Upgrade Alien King!
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Galactus Engineers vs Galactus Aliens!
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I think Disney Marvel in Final Just Do It!
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 27, 2023, 10:52:44 AM@Nelostic I would describe your way of expressing your thoughts as "explosive" and "snowball-like". Which is quite unique and not bad at all
very true. enthusiasm like mine just prior to Prometheus release. hope his enthusiasm is matched by romulus.
Thank You!
Alien Universe Need their Super Villain!
Giga Chad! Who want Transform All Universe to new Live Form!
this is
Perfect Balance!
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 27, 2023, 11:00:25 AMWish more people were like you honestly Kradan.
Aaaw, shucks :-[
*shy noises*
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Was just randomly scrolling the page when I suddenly stumbled upon this pic. I don't know where you got it from but this is beatiful
I hope They Will make Aliens vs Predators more and More Epic!
And Continue Alien 4 as Alien 5 with Ripley 8 and Daughters!
And Alien 6 with new Cast!
Quote from: Nelostic on Jan 28, 2023, 10:34:43 AMI hope They Will make Aliens vs Predators more and More Epic!
And Continue Alien 4 as Alien 5 with Ripley 8 and Daughters!
And Alien 6 with new Cast!
More STAR WARS pleaseeeeee!!! 🙈🤭👉👈😅
Btw! Do you think Amanda Ripley may have encountered a Predator at some point in her life?
Amanda Ripley (Kezia Burrows)
Said Yes!
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I want TV Series About Her!
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Final Battle in Marvel
Secret Wars!
Cyber God K.E.V.I.N. vs Kang!
Possible there will be Aliens vs Predators Cameo!
(When Kevin and Kang Broke Multiverse)
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I'd like to see a mysteriously spooky take on the xenomorphs. And then show us more and more details of the xenomorphs' hive and their way of life. Make the horror level unprecedented. And make it disgusting to the point of making us unable to take our eyes off of it, but not to the point of being too controversial.
Quote from: Shinawi on Feb 17, 2023, 11:23:20 AMI'd like to see a mysteriously spooky take on the xenomorphs. And then show us more and more details of the xenomorphs' hive and their way of life. Make the horror level unprecedented. And make it disgusting to the point of making us unable to take our eyes off of it, but not to the point of being too controversial.
Would love to see that, a bit like labyrinth but a normal xeno hive would be cool to see :D
Don't want to see:
A Bigger and "Badder" Alien (a hybrid!)
Quote from: judge death on Feb 17, 2023, 11:09:05 PMQuote from: Shinawi on Feb 17, 2023, 11:23:20 AMI'd like to see a mysteriously spooky take on the xenomorphs. And then show us more and more details of the xenomorphs' hive and their way of life. Make the horror level unprecedented. And make it disgusting to the point of making us unable to take our eyes off of it, but not to the point of being too controversial.
Would love to see that, a bit like labyrinth but a normal xeno hive would be cool to see :D
This!
I would love it if they reintroduced some of the more warped and unnerving ideas and concepts that didn't make it in the original ALIEN movie, such as the idea of the Alien being able to dislodge itself to fit in any space - transform it's shape, so to speak. Or the ability to regrow limbs. Or the constantly advancing intelligence, including the ability to tap into someone's brain and body in order to use it as a way to communicate. I want to see the Alien "experimenting" with people, which has been seen in Labyrinth as well as some other novels. I would also love to see more eggmorphing and. Another concept would be to delve deeper into the whole genetic memory thing, as that could really add another level of horror to the franchise. With that said it would be rad if they went back to showing less of the monster, and instead of showing whole-body-shots of the beats, I'd much rather prefer showing bits of it, closeups, subtle details etc.
The first movie used horror because the creature was not fully revealed until the end.
The second movie couldn't use that for obvious reasons, so it used action.
The third movie used the equivalent of detective fiction, with some political intrigue at the end.
The fourth used political intrigue mixed with action.
The AVP movies brought in some backstory about the alien and one was set on present Earth.
The prequels used cosmological content and rehashed formulae from the first two movies and the fourth, e.g., armed groups with scientists, a protagonist looking like Ripley, a crew member named "Tennessee" (like Dallas from the first movie), and so on.
Given such, if they set it in present Earth, then it might resemble one of the AVP movies, if not the fourth Predator movie. If it's set in the future, then it might be like the fourth Alien movie.
You know what? I said it before but I can't help but just say it again, bring back my tough hombres! Wanna see the Colonial Marines in films again after decades of only being in expanded media. Or at least see the classic Pulse Rifle back in action, ya know?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 28, 2023, 02:35:59 PMBtw! Do you think Amanda Ripley may have encountered a Predator at some point in her life?
Would be cool to see this in a comic or novel. A what if timeline where Predator events occurred with the Alien timeline sort of thing. I'd just avoid a team up thing that seems to be the standard now for AVP stories.
A revisit to James Cameron's vision of the ALIENverse: I want colonial marines, power loaders, the Cheyenne Dropships, pulse rifles, the smartguns, the M77 APC, the Ridgeway Battletanks (Colonial Marine Technical Manual reference), the Berserkers (from the Dark Horse comics), and the Conestega light crusiers and references to the United Americas, Three World Empire, and the Union of People's Progression.
You started with Cameron's stuff and then went off into a lot of stuff he had nothing to do with.
😂
The tech manual is a great resource for RPG shit but I'm no rush to see much of it on a screen.
After finding out that the 3rd Alien prequel was to be titled Alien Destiny, after a ship in it..
i wonder if Fede is going to be using some bits from that failed project.. and if maybe the derelict ship in this is the Destiny..
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2023, 08:22:35 AMYou started with Cameron's stuff and then went off into a lot of stuff he had nothing to do with.
Yeah well, I feel the extra bits are expansion packs to Cameron's ALIENS
Quote from: xenotaris on May 13, 2023, 10:21:54 PMQuote from: SiL on May 13, 2023, 08:22:35 AMYou started with Cameron's stuff and then went off into a lot of stuff he had nothing to do with.
Yeah well, I feel the extra bits are expansion packs to Cameron's ALIENS
And he was just an expansion pack on
Alien.
Where's my flute and fingering expansion pack.
What's a worse expansion pack?
Primal Hunt or Requiem?
Primal Hunt. At least Requiem is somewhat enjoyable if you temporarily stunt your IQ chemically. PH is irredeemable.
Muh Dunya shower scene!
Quote from: skhellter on May 13, 2023, 09:36:04 PMAfter finding out that the 3rd Alien prequel was to be titled Alien Destiny, after a ship in it..
i wonder if Fede is going to be using some bits from that failed project.. and if maybe the derelict ship in this is the Destiny..
the third prequel was going to be called Alien Destiny?
Quote from: chromhart on May 14, 2023, 09:16:46 PMQuote from: skhellter on May 13, 2023, 09:36:04 PMAfter finding out that the 3rd Alien prequel was to be titled Alien Destiny, after a ship in it..
i wonder if Fede is going to be using some bits from that failed project.. and if maybe the derelict ship in this is the Destiny..
the third prequel was going to be called Alien Destiny?
Yep, confirmed in this recent podcast with former 20th Century of Fox Director of Licensing Joshua Izzo: https://www.perfectorganism.com/home/2023/4/26/214-alien-day-the-founders-part-two-an-interview-with-joshua-izzo
Quote from: littlesprout on Jan 07, 2023, 11:15:22 PMJust curious as to what all the fans want to see from the new upcoming movie.
Me personally, I want the Alien to go back to its darker routes with more fear from not seeing the creature as much.
Oh and I really would like just one Alien film where we don't get a happy ending (not counting Aliens ending and Alien 3 picking up where it left off or Alien Covenants David).
One preferably where the Alien is not defeated and we are left to ponder what comes next.
At this point I just ask for a good script 😆 I don't know what to expect because we didn't see anything about the movie, and I don't want to get hyped yet. I would like that they finish David story (I liked Covenant) but this isn't the case
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 14, 2023, 07:24:14 PMPrimal Hunt. At least Requiem is somewhat enjoyable if you temporarily stunt your IQ chemically. PH is irredeemable.
I was too young to care about game quality and never understood why people hated it. It was always just more AvP fun, if short. What was so awful about it?
Under The Hunter's Moon's a better expansion pack. Actually made me wish the main campaign had resource management, instead of the functionally infinite constant stop start of using a weapon, then recharging your energy over and over only at the cost of time itself.
The balancing's as wack as it always was only now Aliens spawn ceaselessly to drag out the playtime, not even counting the cool in theory but awful in practice wildlife, especially the f**king worms that can and will pop up bloody anywhere. There's only really one Alien level, the story goes nowhere instead of expanding upon any of the many compelling threads of the main campaign, and the tone's all kinds of just cartoony. The level design's also pretty horrendous.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 15, 2023, 09:36:42 AMUnder The Hunter's Moon's a better expansion pack. Actually made me wish the main campaign had resource management, instead of the functionally infinite constant stop start of using a weapon, then recharging your energy over and over only at the cost of time itself.
The balancing's as wack as it always was only now Aliens spawn ceaselessly to drag out the playtime, not even counting the cool in theory but awful in practice wildlife, especially the f**king worms that can and will pop up bloody anywhere. There's only really one Alien level, the story goes nowhere instead of expanding upon any of the many compelling threads of the main campaign, and the tone's all kinds of just cartoony. The level design's also pretty horrendous.
Looks like you didn't like Primal Hunt 😆 me either, the campaign it's horrendous in comparison of the main game, it doesn't have any charm. In the main game you could play the same levels 1000 times allover again and you will always find it awesome or something that you didn't know. I remember playing AvP2 when I was a kid and being excited to play Primal Hunt, and when I had the chance of play it, I was very disappointed
Quote from: SiL on May 15, 2023, 06:38:23 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on May 14, 2023, 07:24:14 PMPrimal Hunt. At least Requiem is somewhat enjoyable if you temporarily stunt your IQ chemically. PH is irredeemable.
I was too young to care about game quality and never understood why people hated it. It was always just more AvP fun, if short. What was so awful about it?
Blue has touched on some of this, but:
- The cringiest and most pointless shower scene in videogame history, which is really saying something.
- Infinitely spawning Aliens and intentionally confusing level design to extend play length.
- A lot of terrible design/art direction choices that clash severely with the base game.
- Alien campaign where you're only the adult Alien for one level, and it's absolutely crammed with synths with miniguns and rockets instead of things you can eat.
- Wildlife with broken AI - some of the creatures just spin and jump on the spot even after detecting you.
- Wildlife with not broken AI but terrible concept and design - the goddamn worms.
- Extremely childish attempts at comedy that make Requiems' look downright classy and mature.
- Once you figure out that you have to rush things rather than waiting for enemies to run out at certain points, and have the maps somewhat figured out, it actually adds less than an hours' play total to the game anyway.
- Tries to tell a bit of backstory for the pods but then forgets that's what it's actually doing and shows the what but not the how of the event.
I could continue but I don't want to keep thinking about PH.
Well I guess I won't be posting my AVP2/Primal Hunt fan novelization on here
Broadly speaking, the forum loves AvP2 but is indifferent at best to PH.
Okay then I will post it soon... after I'm done writing a few chapters of my Resident Evil fanfic
More Giger. No Engineers. No David. No Ripley family. More horror. More mystery.
Actually.. no addressing Space Jockeys would be nice. Just that return to basics.
I want to see them find a simple - in mythology way - to correct the narrative issues with the series without hamfisting additions to the lifecycle, just because they feel pressured to, while utilizing the midquel placement.
Ive been saying for years, the way to fix this series is through midquels.
For example, despite us knowing there are all kinds of company knowledge of the alien and corporate conspiracies, we are still all focused on the problem of the egg on the Sulaco. We also know, there's a whole story about Hadley's Hope, no follow up on the events on LV223, a story between Prometheus and Covenant, etc. The holes in the story are vast at this point.
Just tell a story that fills in those blanks.
The problem isn't that they make things less mysterious, as we said with Prometheus, the problem is they are leaving the wrong things mysterious [like, how much does the company know] and the right things - which should remain mysterious - explained [like the Engineers].
A story set between Prometheus and Alien Covenant? Sure, especially if it endeavours to actually be somewhat creative.
We do not need to see the fall of Hadley's Hope though. Honestly I do not understand the fascination people appear to have with that idea... and considering the beginning and end of that story already exist that sounds quite creatively restrictive and redundant, so let's use our imagination instead.
Similarly with Alien³ an Alien Queen got onboard and contaminated the ship at the end of Aliens so, I do not think that merits further explanation, in fact any issue with that lies in us being shown too much already.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 30, 2023, 05:08:08 PMA story set between Prometheus and Alien Covenant? Sure, especially if it endeavours to actually be somewhat creative.
We do not need to see the fall of Hadley's Hope though. Honestly I do not understand the fascination people appear to have with that idea... and considering the beginning and end of that story already exist that sounds quite creatively restrictive and redundant, so let's use our imagination instead.
Similarly with Alien³ an Alien Queen got onboard and contaminated the ship at the end of Aliens so, I do not think that merits further explanation, in fact any issue with that lies in us being shown too much already.
Actually, what I'm suggesting is a midquel somewhere that simply explains these holes. The idea of saying place it between this or that - while I would choose between Alien-Aliens-A3 - doesn't matter so much as the endeavor to tell a story that fills in the blanks with some simplicity.
I would also note that the one Alien property that has been met with any universal reverence - since the original trilogy - is Alien:Isolation, which, incidentally is a midquel.
Alien Isolation was a great mid-equel and yet Stasis Interrupted was a woeful mid-equel. That narrative structure guarantees nothing in quality terms.
I just do not believe many of the blanks need filled in and usually believe the opposite with some rigidity. It depends upon specifically what blank we are talking about.
I love how Tristan Jones incorporated elements from the prequels for his unmade Alien Isolation sequel.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 30, 2023, 05:08:08 PMWe do not need to see the fall of Hadley's Hope though. Honestly I do not understand the fascination people appear to have with that idea... and considering the beginning and end of that story already exist that sounds quite creatively restrictive and redundant, so let's use our imagination instead.hown too much already.
Yup. It was extremely cynical for the RPG to have Hope's Last Day as the demo session, especially considering all the more interesting and impressive things the format lets you do.
And Newt's Tale is pretty much the bottom of the barrel comics-wise, which is saying something because there's some other real stinkers too. People want to see it, but there's nothing to bloody show.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 30, 2023, 09:04:03 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 30, 2023, 05:08:08 PMWe do not need to see the fall of Hadley's Hope though. Honestly I do not understand the fascination people appear to have with that idea... and considering the beginning and end of that story already exist that sounds quite creatively restrictive and redundant, so let's use our imagination instead.hown too much already.
Yup. It was extremely cynical for the RPG to have Hope's Last Day as the demo session, especially considering all the more interesting and impressive things the format lets you do.
And Newt's Tale is pretty much the bottom of the barrel comics-wise, which is saying something because there's some other real stinkers too. People want to see it, but there's nothing to bloody show.
I tend to agree - as it stands - but I think, that if we layer in all of the backstory prior to stepping in that terrain, a good writer can find a way to step foot in Hadley's Hope while focusing on the greater conspiracy.
Overall though, I think that the Derelict ion LV426 s completely cooked. As much as Prometheus and Covenant made that story more layered and the origin of the Derelict on LV426 more head-scratching, I have come away from it all wanting to see less of that.
What I don't like about the prequels is this insinuation that the alien as we know it, may be this new creature. The sort-of Lovecraftian, cosmic-horror, ancient existence, adds far more mystique and layers of fear than it's worth taking away by confidently adding a period after the statement "And David created the xenomorph," as thus I will not.
I hope they somehow find a way to open that door further.
Bro, there's no conspiracy to focus on.
I almost want a Hadley's Hope movie just to kill the conspiracy theories.
Quote from: SiL on May 31, 2023, 09:57:21 AMI almost want a Hadley's Hope movie just to kill the conspiracy theories.
What would it entail, ideally?
A half-baked Night of the Living Dead in space, I guess?
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 31, 2023, 01:18:24 PMWhat would it entail, ideally?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56315.msg2177538#msg2177538
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 31, 2023, 01:19:41 PMA half-baked Night of the Living Dead in space, I guess?
Why half baked?
Just the concept exploring Hadley's Hope's fall feels like one that doesn't really offer a ton of potential to mine outside of "look here's how X thing got in X place in Aliens" a la The Thing (2011).
I had fun with Hope's Last Day in the RPG but that was more the act of being present getting my foot wet in the game's mechanics/storytelling abilities than it really was about seeing Hadley's Hope fall.
i'd like to see
Big Chap again
maybe an Ultramorph
..
maybe David again. A proper ending to that storyline.
and lots of biomechanical elements.
also, knives. sharp sticks..
And Harry Dean stantons hat.
Hmmm... I'd like some mystery restored to the Xenomorph. I'm tired of the whole "what we saw in Aliens in the be-all-end-all of the creature - dark horse comics say so!" mentality. The alien has been different in every single movie so far; 'Alien', the big chap reproduced via eggmorphing, 'Aliens' introduced a queen scenario, 'Alien 3' introduced the whole taking in traits of a different host, super facehugger etc... but majority seem obsessed with the notion that the life cycle is done and dusted.
I like the unpredictability of the creature, so long as it isn't lazy writing; Ridley Scott is wrong when he keeps saying "the beast is cooked" - there's so much more that you can do with it with imagination, besides just creating pseudo-Xenomorph that never live up to the aesthetic or design of the original.
I was SO down for Tristan Jones' proposed comic book sequel to Isolation that would have made the queen in 'Aliens' a unique manifestation to that particular environment that then went on to spawn its own lineage of that cycle from there (the idea that a regular Xenomorph became the queen but from it, we now have queen chestbursters and superfacehuggers as per Alien 3).
Whilst my complete and utter distaste for the (thankfully non-canon) AvP movies goes without saying, if I could give *one* tiny bit of praise for the second movie, it was the life cycle presented by the predalien that required zero explaination... it just manually lays embryos in hosts without a hugger and spawns multiple offspring. There were no ovomorphs in the hive. Imagine if you will that that had been in a canon alien movie (not as presented)- what would that eggless hive have entailed..would a queen born from a human host in that linage reproduce that way? Could drones birthed from human hosts that way also have that ability as opposed to eggmorphing? In that way, one alien hive completely differs to one seen at Hadley's Hope... I like this level of chaos, it's completely unpredictable- like how unpredictable the pathogen was in 'Prometheus' - the alien ultimately reproduces by whatever means, adapting to the environment and situation it's presented with. I want more of this, so long as it's done tastefully. It wouldn't take away from anything already established as everything we had seen this far ultimately originated in the derelict, so is from a single source.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 01, 2023, 08:58:57 PMI was SO down for Tristan Jones' proposed comic book sequel to Isolation that would have made the queen in 'Aliens' a unique manifestation to that particular environment that then went on to spawn its own lineage of that cycle from there
Always been an idea I've enjoyed playing with mentally. I probably have posts here from ten years ago insisting on that being the case, although I've softened on the big girl at this point on raw aesthetic value alone.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 31, 2023, 09:10:25 AMBro, there's no conspiracy to focus on.
And yet here I am, one of those focusing on one. It must be curious for you to see nothing where others see something.
Yeah I have met God fearing people before, their belief in the immaterial does not in fact make it material, curious indeed.
Honestly also... Aliens: Newt's Tale sucks, Aliens: Colonial Marines sucks, Alien: River of Pain sucks, Aliens: Aftermath sucks. Can we please just let Hadley's Hope go?
Hadley's is the Tatooine of Aliens. We will never see the end of it.
Give me some of that Hadley's dope.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 02, 2023, 02:00:56 PMHadley's is the Tatooine of Aliens.
Should we expect another muppet show?
I think Simpson and Lydecker would qualify as muppets.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 31, 2023, 02:44:13 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 31, 2023, 01:18:24 PMWhat would it entail, ideally?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56315.msg2177538#msg2177538
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 02, 2023, 12:41:55 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on May 31, 2023, 09:10:25 AMBro, there's no conspiracy to focus on.
And yet here I am, one of those focusing on one. It must be curious for you to see nothing where others see something.
I'm a conspiracy connoisseur, but there's nothing bigger going on at Hadleys than Burke being a greedy little shit.
Burke gonna Burke.
The people who see something seem to not see the movie itself, so it's more kind of fascinating trying to work out what movie they're watching actually is.
Here's a new idea for Titan — Aliens: Burke, learn all about his sleuthing, love of cavoodles, company hookers and the totally necessary revelation about sleeping with Gorman's niece.
Yuck.
Burke survived by drinking Blue Marsalis's black goo potion. He now runs an alien brothel.
Betting that it's Big Chap but it'll also have the reproductive "organs" that the Warriors had in Jimbo's Aliens script.
What I'm excited about ain't a creature, though they're indeed in amazing hands. 😉
Quote from: skhellter on Jun 03, 2023, 05:04:02 PMBetting that it's Big Chap but it'll also have the reproductive "organs" that the Warriors had in Jimbo's Aliens script.
Please elaborate.
In the treatment for Aliens the drones - not Warriors - were a separate, diminutive type of Alien with a proboscis that came out of their abdomen.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 09, 2023, 08:26:48 PMIn the treatment for Aliens the drones - not Warriors - were a separate, diminutive type of Alien with a proboscis that came out of their abdomen.
Thought it was the tongue.
Was it used for impregnation?
You're right, it's the tongue. They used it to excrete the resin that makes the hive.
However, I was wrong. The Warriors are revealed to have "egg injectors" that come out of their stomachs.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2023, 08:18:18 AMThe Warriors are revealed to have "egg injectors" that come out of their stomachs.
Wait, what ?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-II-treatment-1983-9-21.pdf
Page 39
Is that Cameron's interpretation of eggmorphing ?
Damn, Heard some vague things about this. But this was news to me.
Cameron doesn't get into detail about what will come about from that method of reproduction
but they're probably eggs for the smaller albino drones? And that's how they could be explained?
That's what makes sense to me anyway.
Directly from the posted script:
QuoteINT. EGG CHAMBER
Ripley awakens, Struggles to move.
A drone is excreting cocoon material over her, anchoring her
body to the wall of death.
The drone is a small albino version of the Alien creature.
Where the warrior has a set of striking teeth within its
head, the drone hes an excreting probe, like an organic stucco-gun.
The air is thick with steam.
Figures move baek and forth, carrying eggs one way, returning
empty .
Evacuation.
The taller silhouettes of warriors can be seen moving with
nightmarish grace.
Ripley sees Hicks nearby and Newt...
Looking Iike figures in an obscene fresco.
Drones hover over them as well.
She whispers to Hicks who responds weakly.
RIPLEY
Can you move?
HICKS
Not much. See the ship?
RIPLEY turns her head.
Rotating landing lights lead her eyes to its outl ine in the
mist.
Sweat pours off her.
She strains to move her arm, ripping at the cocoon fabric.
Her fingers slip under her tunic.
Face contorted with effort.
Panting.
She cries out in suppressed panic.
A WARRIOR ALIEN hulks over her.
The bony armor oyer its belly parts wetly.
A shape emerges.
Glistening, prehensile...
Like a segmented tongue.
It ends in a tapered black spine.
An egg injector.
Whedon's Newborn also did that in his scripts.
Def took the idea from that.
Quote from: skhellter on Jun 10, 2023, 09:24:51 PMWhedon's Newborn also did that in his scripts.
Def took the idea from that.
Also news. But I doubt this is correct.
Quote from: bobby brown on Jun 11, 2023, 01:50:38 PMQuote from: skhellter on Jun 10, 2023, 09:24:51 PMWhedon's Newborn also did that in his scripts.
Def took the idea from that.
Also news. But I doubt this is correct.
pg 102.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-resurrection-1996-07-22.pdf
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Thanks! I stand corrected! But come on, that just reads like a straight-up penis.
Quote from: bobby brown on Jun 11, 2023, 04:51:57 PMThanks! I stand corrected! But come on, that just reads like a straight-up penis.
No kidding, that and the dick-thing that comes out of the warrior's 'stomach' in Cameron's script. It's not as subtle a design as the alien's 'head' and it might've come off as going too far.
rating wise...
(remembers the trilobite)
Prometheus got away with it. :laugh:
wouldn't destroy the franchise.
Quote from: skhellter on Jun 11, 2023, 02:12:13 PMQuote from: bobby brown on Jun 11, 2023, 01:50:38 PMQuote from: skhellter on Jun 10, 2023, 09:24:51 PMWhedon's Newborn also did that in his scripts.
Def took the idea from that.
Also news. But I doubt this is correct.
pg 102.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-resurrection-1996-07-22.pdf
https://i.gyazo.com/640c584bf3baeb716b898449e68a77b2.png
The fact that people read this and approved it into a major motion picture. There are far better fan made stories than this atrocity.
To remystify The Xenomorph, in a good way. Unlike the TvShow
Eggmorphing.
Have the engineers and the Space Jackie becomes two separate species.
Focus more on being scary and less on action
And of course the film to be good
The franchise is really about the alien, and not counting the prequels (because they appear to lead to a reboot of the franchise probably given the assumption that most viewers are young and don't know about the first four movies because they were made a long time ago) and the predator (as having two antagonists complicates matters) we'd see one of the ff.
- the alien
- the hive, with queen and specialists
- aliens taking on some form of their hosts
- hybrids coupled with cloning and mutations
The fourth movie's too weird because it's no longer about the alien but all sorts of combinations, so I'd stick to at best alien hives. But what can one do that's new given that? For example, the IMDB entry generally refers to young people encountering the alien. That means it'll be just like the first four movies. In this case, though, it features young protagonists, like some from the prequels, and that'll be needed to make it a hit among younger audiences.
More important, if the prequels were made so because most viewers are young and don't know know about the first four movies, and if what they know about the franchise is dependent on the prequels, then this new movie will be dependent on the same, which means everything above, plus spores, Engineers, and more.
Now that you mention it, i'm getting a whole lot of the movie details mixed up with the tv series. I'm practically bummed that neither are really asking for much attention. I also don't see why a younger crew makes any difference unless we are going to see something dramatically different with the 'alien' life cycle.
Back to basics and something more akin to Alien with regards to the 'less is more' approach.
A horrible, nasty biomechanical nightmare......please!
Quote from: littlesprout on Jun 13, 2023, 05:23:03 PMThe fact that people read this and approved it into a major motion picture. There are far better fan made stories than this atrocity.
Name three.
Quote from: skhellter on Jun 11, 2023, 02:12:13 PMQuote from: bobby brown on Jun 11, 2023, 01:50:38 PMQuote from: skhellter on Jun 10, 2023, 09:24:51 PMWhedon's Newborn also did that in his scripts.
Def took the idea from that.
Also news. But I doubt this is correct.
pg 102.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-resurrection-1996-07-22.pdf
https://i.gyazo.com/640c584bf3baeb716b898449e68a77b2.png
I'm sorry but WHAT THE f**k
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 08, 2023, 08:43:46 PMQuote from: littlesprout on Jun 13, 2023, 05:23:03 PMThe fact that people read this and approved it into a major motion picture. There are far better fan made stories than this atrocity.
Name three.
Did you qualify that with three because there's 2 good stories that exist already? :b
I have never read a single fanfic so I'm not informed enough to be calculating in my qualifiers.
I couldn't name one.
could novels like Cold storage Be classified as fanfiction
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Predator 3: Vengeance for Wolf is the only good fanfic.
"I'm must go."
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 09, 2023, 03:20:58 AMcould novels like Cold storage Be classified as fanfiction
https://cdn.britannica.com/53/180553-050-FE609C89/Thinker-Auguste-Rodin-Museum-Paris-1904.jpg
No, they're licensed media
Quote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2023, 05:12:06 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 09, 2023, 03:20:58 AMcould novels like Cold storage Be classified as fanfiction
https://cdn.britannica.com/53/180553-050-FE609C89/Thinker-Auguste-Rodin-Museum-Paris-1904.jpg
No, they're licensed media
Oh so they are licensed fanfiction, interesting. :)
Uh-oh
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 08, 2023, 08:43:46 PMQuote from: littlesprout on Jun 13, 2023, 05:23:03 PMThe fact that people read this and approved it into a major motion picture. There are far better fan made stories than this atrocity.
Name three.
Didn't have any one thing in mind. A:R is just a renowned bad film and it shows with silly characters and writing like this. Fits the comic style, but probably shouldn't have been put on the big screen.
I would absolutely love an alien labyrinth Appetition, it might be a little much
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 09, 2023, 05:21:33 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2023, 05:12:06 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 09, 2023, 03:20:58 AMcould novels like Cold storage Be classified as fanfiction
https://cdn.britannica.com/53/180553-050-FE609C89/Thinker-Auguste-Rodin-Museum-Paris-1904.jpg
No, they're licensed media
Oh so they are licensed fanfiction, interesting. :)
You could say that about any sequel.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2023, 06:53:22 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 09, 2023, 05:21:33 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2023, 05:12:06 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 09, 2023, 03:20:58 AMcould novels like Cold storage Be classified as fanfiction
https://cdn.britannica.com/53/180553-050-FE609C89/Thinker-Auguste-Rodin-Museum-Paris-1904.jpg
No, they're licensed media
Oh so they are licensed fanfiction, interesting. :)
You could say that about any sequel.
So everything is a fanfics
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2023, 04:29:54 AMPredator 3: Vengeance for Wolf is the only good fanfic.
"I'm must go."
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 08, 2023, 11:37:32 PMI have never read a single fanfic so I'm not informed enough to be calculating in my qualifiers.
Hah. I was almost tempted to bring out Labyrinth, Cold Forge and Into Charybdis, but those are all licensed.
You forgot to mention DotS.
Licensed fanfiction definitely exists :o
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I'm still waiting for fanfic that's better written than Rez.
I'll even take the number down to one. One single example.
This shouldn't be hard, because the script isn't great.
It's not a single fan fic from start to finish like you're waiting for. The ideas and concepts in those fan fics could easily be better than what we got in A:R. As bad as A:R is there were still good concepts but it felt totally derailed as the film progressed.
And when I say fan fic I'm including the licensed comics, EU, anything that didn't make the big screen as well. Hell I think the Alien Isolation story, or even the theory that the derelict survived the nuke were far better directions to take the next film rather than what we got.
They could have taken Ripley out of it, focused on the Alien Outbreak aboard a spaceship and I think that would have been more entertaining. Instead we got the Ripley Alien hybrid and her hybrid sisters and the newborn with some pretty shit dialogue.
But the concept of having scientist finally capturing the alien and them breaking out (and the alien design I actually liked) was pretty cool in my opinion. That could have been expanded on but once again it was derailed by making it about Ripley and a pretty lackluster cast.
Quote from: littlesprout on Sep 09, 2023, 08:45:05 PMInstead we got the Ripley Alien hybrid and her hybrid sisters and the newborn
This is all the most interesting stuff in
Resurrection, though.
Well, the above listed and the cinematography, that is.
Quote from: littlesprout on Sep 09, 2023, 08:45:05 PMIt's not a single fan fic from start to finish like you're waiting for. The ideas and concepts in those fan fics could easily be better than what we got in A:R. As bad as A:R is there were still good concepts but it felt totally derailed as the film progressed.
Rez is an awful idea and a dumb Whedon script turned into something kind of wonderful by Jeunet and Khondji.
QuoteAnd when I say fan fic I'm including the licensed comics, EU, anything that didn't make the big screen as well. Hell I think the Alien Isolation story, or even the theory that the derelict survived the nuke were far better directions to take the next film rather than what we got.
Exactly none of this is fanfic.
QuoteThey could have taken Ripley out of it, focused on the Alien Outbreak aboard a spaceship and I think that would have been more entertaining. Instead we got the Ripley Alien hybrid and her hybrid sisters and the newborn with some pretty shit dialogue.
Ripley meeting her clones and the mommy dommy stuff with Call are some of the best parts of the film.
QuoteBut the concept of having scientist finally capturing the alien and them breaking out (and the alien design I actually liked) was pretty cool in my opinion. That could have been expanded on but once again it was derailed by making it about Ripley and a pretty lackluster cast.
The Alien design is bad, and the great cast frantically chewing scenery is one of the elevating factors that rescues the awful script.
I don't hate Resurrection's Alien design, given warped hybrid that the film is presenting it as, but I do think it only really works in the very specific context of this one movie and should never have been reutilized in the way it was in AVP.
I can appreciate some of what A:R accomplished but I can't call it a decent film, especially from a script perspective at that level and with the preceding films in mind.
I think the cast was nothing more than lackluster.
The Alien design I didn't mind, not the best.
All the scenes with Ripley and her clones just aren't good and if that's really the highlight of the film or one of its best parts, then that speaks volumes about how bad the film was.
As far as the fan fic stuff goes that to me is still fan fiction, it's all spun off from the movies. Regardless of what you want to call it, fan fiction, licensed media, EU, whatever have you, there are still far superior ideas within them.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2023, 09:39:58 PMI don't hate Resurrection's Alien design, given warped hybrid that the film is presenting it as, but I do think it only really works in the very specific context of this one movie and should never have been reutilized in the way it was in AVP.
It's a poor design, the context may make it more palatable but doesn't change that it's a significant downgrade to everything before it.
Quote from: littlesprout on Sep 09, 2023, 09:48:04 PMAll the scenes with Ripley and her clones just aren't good
Objectively incorrect.
QuoteAs far as the fan fic stuff goes that to me is still fan fiction, it's all spun off from the movies. Regardless of what you want to call it, fan fiction, licensed media, EU, whatever have you, there are still far superior ideas within them.
Words have meanings. Licensed material and fan fiction have very clearly established meanings, which are not the same.
I'm just not as anal about the meanings of fan fic or licensed material. Regardless, there are better ideas within those than A:R, objectively.
Back to Romulus for me
If anything I wish Resurrection was more gay.
(https://i.gifer.com/PBLt.gif)
Hmmm... in my opinion, Alien Resurrection as a concept is great, but Alien Resurrection itself is not so great (translation: abysmal).
The PS1 game was better than the movie (I actually liked the newborn in that adaptation). I think it's the kind of story that would have been an awesome Dark Horse comic had it been a 4 parter with the artist responsible for 'Aliens Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels' (not the comic book we got based on the movie, but the artists interpretation based on the screenplay) and in that universe may even have been the kind of graphic novel everyone in the AvPG forums would "wish had been a movie" (if that makes sense?).
The movie we got is a good enough popcorn flick that I can watch, but it's as if the director had never seen an Alien movie in his life. He just didn't get it at all.
Shame, as some of the aesthetics/interiors/cinematography are beautiful, ruined by terrible implementation, stupid wise-cracks, sci-fi channel quality cgi,the worst Xenomorph designs, and a soundtrack that whilst isn't bad itself, doesn't fit or feel anything remotely like the Alien Trilogy that came before it.
I swear an extreme in-depth fan-edit overhaul, and there's an alright Alien movie hidden in there somewhere. I've often drafted out the changes in my head/ it'd still always feel more like a Dark Horse /Marvel comic book though.
Quote from: littlesprout on Sep 09, 2023, 10:22:13 PMI'm just not as anal about the meanings of fan fic or licensed material. Regardless, there are better ideas within those than A:R, objectively.
Back to Romulus for me
I accept your concession.
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 09, 2023, 10:39:04 PMHmmm... in my opinion, Alien Resurrection as a concept is great, but Alien Resurrection itself is not so great
This feels backwards...
Quotebut it's as if the director had never seen an Alien movie in his life. He just didn't get it at all.
You say this but then -
QuoteShame, as some of the aesthetics/interiors/cinematography are beautiful, ruined by terrible implementation, stupid wise-cracks
You praise his choices while shitting (justifiably) on Whedon's terrible writing.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 09, 2023, 10:28:05 PMIf anything I wish Resurrection was more gay.
https://i.gifer.com/PBLt.gif
THIS! 100% 😄
Although judging by the movie we got, they'd have probably had number 8 wrap herself around Calls face like a facehugger then let go with some unfunny quip like "sorry, habit".
Ripley squeezing Call's head between her thighs maybe.
Spoiler
I wish.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 09, 2023, 10:50:23 PMthey'd have probably had number 8 wrap herself around Calls face like a facehugger then let go with some unfunny quip like "sorry, habit".
Nothing wrong with that tbh
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2023, 09:39:58 PMI don't hate Resurrection's Alien design, given warped hybrid that the film is presenting it as, but I do think it only really works in the very specific context of this one movie and should never have been reutilized in the way it was in AVP.
From a narrative POV behind the design, I completely agree. It kind of works if you play into all that fan theory about the Aliens in AvP having accelerated life cycles due to the Predator's toying with the Queen and etc. But truth be told...I actually really like the Resurrection design in black/silver like in AvP. I think it looks pretty damn good.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 09, 2023, 10:17:21 PMQuote from: littlesprout on Sep 09, 2023, 09:48:04 PMAll the scenes with Ripley and her clones just aren't good
Objectively incorrect.
Completely disagree with you here, littlesprout. Weaver is top notch in Resurrection and the scene with her clones is easily one of the most powerful and best acted scenes in the entire series...and then they kill it with that stupid joke.
For me it's not a question of Weavers acting. It's the way the scene is executed. I also can't put that scene amongst the top and most powerful in the franchise, not even in my top 10. There's just too many powerful moments in the first three films.
Hopefully we won't see Romulans.
Engineers, and that we learn their creators are the supposed Space Jockeys! But the Space Jockey's can be kept mysterious, while the Engineers we learn a little bit more of.
Full on photorealistic cgi xenomorph doing all sorts of wonderful stuff.
Like a video game.
You should play something other than Bethesda videogames, then maybe you might not use that as a term of derision.
I'd really want to see some kind of continuation, or preferably conclusion, to the David storyline. Doesn't have to be much, just some closure.
But that's what you see in video games.
Quote from: ralfy on Oct 20, 2023, 12:54:36 PMBut that's what you see in video games.
What, a conclusion to the David storyline!?
It was probably an answer to Blue Marsalis79.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 21, 2023, 07:31:37 PMIt was probably an answer to Blue Marsalis79.
I know, I'm just yanking.
I want to see a Xeno introduction ala Evil Dead demon... it was awesome trippy and scary, maybe the best scene of the movie IMHO.
Besides that, I want the Giger-style, the Xeno behavior as of the first installment, a space jockey revindication as someone here said, putting the engineers as another species!
Maybe with advancements in AI, CGI, deepfake, etc., and lower licensing costs due to proliferation and industry saturation, we can see two sets of Alien shows, with one following the prequels in terms of story and set design, and another going back to the first few movies.
Quote from: ralfy on Oct 22, 2023, 12:15:00 AMMaybe with advancements in AI, CGI, deepfake, etc., and lower licensing costs due to proliferation and industry saturation, we can see two sets of Alien shows, with one following the prequels in terms of story and set design, and another going back to the first few movies.
We're talking about
Romulus here, not the TV series.
Fede's movies tend to have Roque Bano scores.
Hope it's the case here. He's done wonderful work.
Quote from: littlesprout on Jan 07, 2023, 11:15:22 PMJust curious as to what all the fans want to see from the new upcoming movie.
Me personally, I want the Alien to go back to its darker routes with more fear from not seeing the creature as much.
Oh and I really would like just one Alien film where we don't get a happy ending (not counting Aliens ending and Alien 3 picking up where it left off or Alien Covenants David).
One preferably where the Alien is not defeated and we are left to ponder what comes next.
Quote from: littlesprout on Jan 07, 2023, 11:15:22 PMJust curious as to what all the fans want to see from the new upcoming movie.
Me personally, I want the Alien to go back to its darker routes with more fear from not seeing the creature as much.
Oh and I really would like just one Alien film where we don't get a happy ending (not counting Aliens ending and Alien 3 picking up where it left off or Alien Covenants David).
One preferably where the Alien is not defeated and we are left to ponder what comes next.
I'm intrigued, by your desire for a non-happy ending; is it possible, that the young adult part of the equation of the film is your reasoning for wanting as such?
The movie, is to feature and be about young adults; is it possible, that this equation or chosen context has helped you or "manufactured" your desire to see the film have a downer ending?
I'm not surprised, by the young adult element, as young adults are the seeming nature of reality, in the context of collective consciousness emerging.
Quote from: thomasmariel33 on Oct 31, 2023, 09:00:19 PMQuote from: littlesprout on Jan 07, 2023, 11:15:22 PMJust curious as to what all the fans want to see from the new upcoming movie.
Me personally, I want the Alien to go back to its darker routes with more fear from not seeing the creature as much.
Oh and I really would like just one Alien film where we don't get a happy ending (not counting Aliens ending and Alien 3 picking up where it left off or Alien Covenants David).
One preferably where the Alien is not defeated and we are left to ponder what comes next.
Quote from: littlesprout on Jan 07, 2023, 11:15:22 PMJust curious as to what all the fans want to see from the new upcoming movie.
Me personally, I want the Alien to go back to its darker routes with more fear from not seeing the creature as much.
Oh and I really would like just one Alien film where we don't get a happy ending (not counting Aliens ending and Alien 3 picking up where it left off or Alien Covenants David).
One preferably where the Alien is not defeated and we are left to ponder what comes next.
I'm intrigued, by your desire for a non-happy ending; is it possible, that the young adult part of the equation of the film is your reasoning for wanting as such?
The movie, is to feature and be about young adults; is it possible, that this equation or chosen context has helped you or "manufactured" your desire to see the film have a downer ending?
I'm not surprised, by the young adult element, as young adults are the seeming nature of reality, in the context of collective consciousness emerging.
Unfortunately I'm not quite following what you mean by young adult equation.
I just think it would be a good change of pace to show a battered alien that comes out victorious in the end. It would strengthen the notion that the alien really is a terrifying creature that is hard to defeat. Contrary to the bug perception it has.
The movie Life had a good ending twist.
Reinventing the wheel is already cliché, so Fede goes back to basics. 8)
Quote from: thomasmariel33 on Oct 31, 2023, 09:00:19 PMI'm intrigued, by your desire for a non-happy ending; is it possible, that the young adult part of the equation of the film is your reasoning for wanting as such?
The movie, is to feature and be about young adults; is it possible, that this equation or chosen context has helped you or "manufactured" your desire to see the film have a downer ending?
I'm not surprised, by the young adult element, as young adults are the seeming nature of reality, in the context of collective consciousness emerging.
Perspicaciousness is fine and all but brevity is both the soul of wit and, online, engaging in friendly and lively discourse.
Main think i want to see is NOT something majorly lore altering suchnas xenos can now infect through spitting or theres a 'borg queen' type character thatsbin charge of all etc
I would like to see LV-426's logic, aka its place in history, like how it got its own derelict spaceship in the original Alien.
no Romulans.
Quote from: thomasmariel33 on Nov 02, 2023, 04:26:28 PMI would like to see LV-426's logic, aka its place in history, like how it got its own derelict spaceship in the original Alien.
I reckon the ship took off from the weapons base on LV-223 with (or without) the intent of disposing of the Xenos onboard, but the crew were overpowered and it crashed on 426. That would explain why Anne and Russ found dead Xenos and Engineers aboard the vessel in
River of Pain.
That's just my take, though.
I never want to see LV-426 ever again.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 02, 2023, 02:00:56 PMHadley's is the Tatooine of Aliens. We will never see the end of it.
Fundamentally, I want to see a means, when it comes to LV-426. This isn't necessarily a balance reference, or a stability reference, just an emotional reference, to the original Alien movie versus the dark blue of Aliens, from 1986.
In Aliens, LV-426 is depicted as much more fanciful, albeit far less terrifying. This is a wondrous depiction, alas, I want Romulus to copy Aliens, in terms of ideology if not actual blueprint.
Tom, your posts don't make much sense.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PMTom, your posts don't make much sense.
Much sense?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PMTom, your posts don't make much sense.
Apologies; the general framework, of my desire for Romulus, is to see 426 being explained. Now, visually, this can be very interesting, because of the different depictions afforded by 1986 Aliens compared to Alien.
Quote from: thomasmariel33 on Nov 03, 2023, 01:49:14 PMQuote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PMTom, your posts don't make much sense.
Apologies; the general framework, of my desire for Romulus, is to see 426 being explained. Now, visually, this can be very interesting, because of the different depictions afforded by 1986 Aliens compared to Alien.
I don't really see what there is to explain. It's a rocky, volcanic moon where an Engineer ship crashed.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PMTom, your posts don't make much sense.
I've been wanting to say something similar in my usual tactful way.
Quote from: thomasmariel33 on Nov 03, 2023, 01:49:14 PMQuote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PMTom, your posts don't make much sense.
Apologies; the general framework, of my desire for Romulus, is to see 426 being explained. Now, visually, this can be very interesting, because of the different depictions afforded by 1986 Aliens compared to Alien.
"Terraformers, planet engineers. They go in, set up these big atmosphere processors to make the air breathable. Takes decades."
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 02, 2023, 06:24:56 PMI never want to see LV-426 ever again.
The Derelict needs the
House of Leaves treatment
https://youtube.com/shorts/YDxEEresh6A
#cosmichorror🤘
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Nov 03, 2023, 02:45:54 PMQuote from: thomasmariel33 on Nov 03, 2023, 01:49:14 PMQuote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PMTom, your posts don't make much sense.
Apologies; the general framework, of my desire for Romulus, is to see 426 being explained. Now, visually, this can be very interesting, because of the different depictions afforded by 1986 Aliens compared to Alien.
I don't really see what there is to explain. It's a rocky, volcanic moon where an Engineer ship crashed.
I mean, an act of loyalty, by Romulus to either Alien or Aliens. So what I mean, is that relative to the different visual depictions, of 426, between 1979 and 1986, the new movie will visually and atmospherically align itself with one or the other. Morally, although I recognise that this is a curious word to employ, I would argue that Alien 1979 is the correct ideology of 426's visual and atmospheric allure
Not to yuck anyone's yum, but writing every post like you're padding out the word count of your PhD thesis is not conducive to lively discussion.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 08:45:29 PMNot to yuck anyone's yum, but writing every post like you're padding out the word count of your PhD thesis is not conducive to lively discussion.
While your observation that the proclivity for verbosity could dampen the spirited exchange of dialogue is astutely noted, I must, with respectful dissent, advocate for the ornate tapestry of language that, while occasionally bordering on the sesquipedalian, enriches our discourse. Our discussions, a veritable symposium of varied intellects, surely gain rather than lose their luster from the multiplicity of expressive styles, even those that may mimic the grandiloquence of academia. Thus, I submit that the fervor of our dialogues is not quelled by an abundance of words but is, instead, kindled into greater vivacity by the very diversity of our verbal palette.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 03, 2023, 08:56:38 PMWhile your observation that the proclivity for verbosity could dampen the spirited exchange of dialogue is astutely noted, I must, with respectful dissent, advocate for the ornate tapestry of language that, while occasionally bordering on the sesquipedalian, enriches our discourse. Our discussions, a veritable symposium of varied intellects, surely gain rather than lose their luster from the multiplicity of expressive styles, even those that may mimic the grandiloquence of academia. Thus, I submit that the fervor of our dialogues is not quelled by an abundance of words but is, instead, kindled into greater vivacity by the very diversity of our verbal palette.
Regretfully I must inform that I am myself encumbered by a distinct sentiment that such manner of discourse is, truthfully, but with all due respect to relevant parties, somewhat morally repugnant; for it imposes upon others, encumbering participants in the conversation with the undue, unwarranted, and dare I say unwanted task of extracting substance; whereas to talk in the common tongue, vulgar as it may be to the sensibilities of some, imposes nothing upon others and instead permits the simple and enthusiastic transmission of thoughts and feelings; and in so doing, all may freely participate in discourse.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 09:10:27 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 03, 2023, 08:56:38 PMWhile your observation that the proclivity for verbosity could dampen the spirited exchange of dialogue is astutely noted, I must, with respectful dissent, advocate for the ornate tapestry of language that, while occasionally bordering on the sesquipedalian, enriches our discourse. Our discussions, a veritable symposium of varied intellects, surely gain rather than lose their luster from the multiplicity of expressive styles, even those that may mimic the grandiloquence of academia. Thus, I submit that the fervor of our dialogues is not quelled by an abundance of words but is, instead, kindled into greater vivacity by the very diversity of our verbal palette.
Regretfully I must inform that I am myself encumbered by a distinct sentiment that such manner of discourse is, truthfully, but with all due respect to relevant parties, somewhat morally repugnant; for it imposes upon others, encumbering participants in the conversation with the undue, unwarranted, and dare I say unwanted task of extracting substance; whereas to talk in the common tongue, vulgar as it may be to the sensibilities of some, imposes nothing upon others and instead permits the simple and enthusiastic transmission of thoughts and feelings; and in so doing, all may freely participate in discourse.
How big is that tincan of vocabulary you got there? Is it written on speech cards like this?
(https://www.northernspeech.com/uploads/kaufman-kit-1-open-box-closeup.jpg)
Yeah nah pretty big ay.
Quote from: thomasmariel33 on Nov 03, 2023, 06:36:07 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Nov 03, 2023, 02:45:54 PMQuote from: thomasmariel33 on Nov 03, 2023, 01:49:14 PMQuote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PMTom, your posts don't make much sense.
Apologies; the general framework, of my desire for Romulus, is to see 426 being explained. Now, visually, this can be very interesting, because of the different depictions afforded by 1986 Aliens compared to Alien.
I don't really see what there is to explain. It's a rocky, volcanic moon where an Engineer ship crashed.
I mean, an act of loyalty, by Romulus to either Alien or Aliens. So what I mean, is that relative to the different visual depictions, of 426, between 1979 and 1986, the new movie will visually and atmospherically align itself with one or the other. Morally, although I recognise that this is a curious word to employ, I would argue that Alien 1979 is the correct ideology of 426's visual and atmospheric allure
"Ash, MU/TH/UR has translated part of that transmission, it doesn't look like an S.O.S... it *looks* like a "notice me senpai"... I'm going to correct it."
"What's the point? I mean.. by the time you've finished typing, we'll know if it's another Ralfy or not, yes?"
🫠
I want to see a great movie.
That's all. No more excessive exposition. No more dumb characters. Just a great movie with atmosphere, pacing, and human characters that I don't want to die.
Don't follow the prequels and see if the damage caused by those and other authorized works that created contradictions in the storyline can be undone.
Follow the production design of the first four movies. And come up with a believable ensemble coupled with realistic dialogue, etc., plus a well-paced plot that still follows a level of suspense, unlike recent movies that are drenched in spectacle.
However, it's unlikely for these to take place because it appears that new movies are being made for new audiences who have never seen the first movies. That means they will follow the prequels and probably even remake the previous films, or even rehash material from them.
I want three things from Romulus:
1. No more silly call-backs, like naming characters after southern US states.
2. Reset the rules. It takes time for a chest burster to gestate in its host. And it takes time for said chest burster to fully grow. No more shortcuts; write something interesting to occupy us while all this is happening.
3. Most importantly, show us something new - like what an alien looks like before it reaches full maturity. Make the beastie more interesting.
Quote from: Rudiger on Dec 05, 2023, 11:44:45 AM2. Reset the rules. It takes time for a chest burster to gestate in its host. And it takes time for said chest burster to fully grow. No more shortcuts; write something interesting to occupy us while all this is happening.
The Praetomorph Imp in
Covenant develops at a faster rate than a typical Xenomorph Chestburster, so that was officially explained.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 05, 2023, 12:16:30 PMQuote from: Rudiger on Dec 05, 2023, 11:44:45 AM2. Reset the rules. It takes time for a chest burster to gestate in its host. And it takes time for said chest burster to fully grow. No more shortcuts; write something interesting to occupy us while all this is happening.
The Praetomorph Imp in Covenant develops at a faster rate than a typical Xenomorph Chestburster, so that was officially explained.
When was that explained?
Quote from: Rudiger on Dec 05, 2023, 12:33:18 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 05, 2023, 12:16:30 PMQuote from: Rudiger on Dec 05, 2023, 11:44:45 AM2. Reset the rules. It takes time for a chest burster to gestate in its host. And it takes time for said chest burster to fully grow. No more shortcuts; write something interesting to occupy us while all this is happening.
The Praetomorph Imp in Covenant develops at a faster rate than a typical Xenomorph Chestburster, so that was officially explained.
When was that explained?
The RPG book explains it, as does the novelization.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 05, 2023, 12:47:14 PMQuote from: Rudiger on Dec 05, 2023, 12:33:18 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 05, 2023, 12:16:30 PMQuote from: Rudiger on Dec 05, 2023, 11:44:45 AM2. Reset the rules. It takes time for a chest burster to gestate in its host. And it takes time for said chest burster to fully grow. No more shortcuts; write something interesting to occupy us while all this is happening.
The Praetomorph Imp in Covenant develops at a faster rate than a typical Xenomorph Chestburster, so that was officially explained.
When was that explained?
The RPG book explains it, as does the novelization.
So, lazy screenwriting then.
Any differences in gestation period in Covenant are easy to chalk up to it being an earlier iteration of the creature that isn't quite fully formed (as evidenced by the lack of mechanical elements to its build), without any necessary reliance on works from outside of the film itself to justify it.
The real issue with Covenant's handling of the Aliens, in my opinion, is having two of them in such quick succession. I think it would have been much more effective if the one born from Oram was the same one that made it onto the ship for the last stretch of the film, instead of having a second one come from Lope immediately after the death of the first.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 05, 2023, 01:22:23 PMAny differences in gestation period in Covenant are easy to chalk up to it being an earlier iteration of the creature that isn't quite fully formed (as evidenced by the lack of mechanical elements to its build), without any necessary reliance on works from outside of the film itself to justify it.
The real issue with Covenant's handling of the Aliens, in my opinion, is having two of them in such quick succession. I think it would have been much more effective if the one born from Oram was the same one that made it onto the ship for the last stretch of the film, instead of having a second one come from Lope immediately after the death of the first.
I agree with that. At first in the cinema I didn't even figure out where the second Xeno came from because I thought that Lope hadn't been infected in such a short time.
it was dealt with far too quickly.
The two xenos were very aggressive which I thought was cool. Unfortunately, they were also a bit stupid and blindly ran at everything.
It would actually have been nicer to have just one xenomorph who could see through or thwart a few traps.
It would also have been cool if David had killed the xeno to deceive Daniels even more and suggest that he was Walter.
Quote from: Neila on Dec 05, 2023, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 05, 2023, 01:22:23 PMAny differences in gestation period in Covenant are easy to chalk up to it being an earlier iteration of the creature that isn't quite fully formed (as evidenced by the lack of mechanical elements to its build), without any necessary reliance on works from outside of the film itself to justify it.
The real issue with Covenant's handling of the Aliens, in my opinion, is having two of them in such quick succession. I think it would have been much more effective if the one born from Oram was the same one that made it onto the ship for the last stretch of the film, instead of having a second one come from Lope immediately after the death of the first.
I agree with that. At first in the cinema I didn't even figure out where the second Xeno came from because I thought that Lope hadn't been infected in such a short time.
it was dealt with far too quickly.
The two xenos were very aggressive which I thought was cool. Unfortunately, they were also a bit stupid and blindly ran at everything.
It would actually have been nicer to have just one xenomorph who could see through or thwart a few traps.
Those are the shortcomings of the Praetomorph. They're bigger, tougher, and more powerful than a normal Xeno, but are less intelligent.
I don't see how they were less intelligent. Blindly running at things has been par for the course since the second movie.
Alien 3's last act is built on it.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 06, 2023, 04:36:12 AMI don't see how they were less intelligent. Blindly running at things has been par for the course since the second movie.
Alien 3's last act is built on it.
The RPG states that both Praetomorphs and Runners can be baited and duped.
But the alien in A3 has at least recognized and avoided a few traps.
When Kevin lay dead in the piston device, the alien dragged his body out and didn't fall into the trap for the time being.
It's ok if the critters can be fooled. In contrast to the Preds, they are monsters and you have to be able to hunt them down somehow.
But it has to fit the scenery and remain exciting.
I would like it best if Romulus actually only had 1 alien, but it would act relatively intelligently for its standards and would often be one step ahead of the protagonists and terrorize them.
The killings could also be completely different,
The alien could actually "play" with its victims and slowly kill them.
It's a strange creature and you could get a lot of shock potential out of the way it kills.
kind of like Lambert. No one knows what really happened to her, but when Ripley found her, things didn't look good...
When Rains was killed in A3 it also looked a bit strange, nobody knows what the alien had done to him, except for the bite on his head.
At first it looked like a dog playing with a ball in its paws, in keeping with its origins. Something like that would also be interesting for Romulus.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 06, 2023, 08:02:25 AMThe RPG states that both Praetomorphs and Runners can be baited and duped.
Big Chap was supposed to be lured into the airlock by a blinking light. Queeny ran after Ripley instead of going for Newt. An adult was baited and duped by Ripley in
Resurrection.
There was one or several aliens in the first three movies, followed by mutations and clones in the fourth.
Quote from: ralfy on Dec 07, 2023, 01:04:38 AMThere was one or several aliens in the first three movies, followed by mutations and clones in the fourth.
WE KNOW.
It definitely won't happen in Romulus, knowing what we know about the film by this point, but seeing The Abyss on the big screen last night reignited my desire to see a future Alien movie set in an underwater research/drilling station (albeit on an alien planet) like that.
An alien sea with an underwater base can be such a great setting. Maybe one day.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Dec 08, 2023, 10:00:45 PMAn alien sea with an underwater base can be such a great setting. Maybe one day.
Well we did have a movie like that
Spoiler
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We had DeepStar Six and Leviathan before that.
I've seen all three of those, and they're (for the most part) pretty enjoyable to various degrees on their own merits. But I think there's more to mine from the concept than the surface that those three movies scratched the surface of, and I think moving the action off of Earth could be key to that.
There's actually a Predator comic that uses a similar setting (albeit, on Earth) that I quite dug, Hell & Hot Water.
I'm hoping to get as much social justice politics rammed down my throat as humanly possible
I would like to see a return to form for the franchise and of course the creatures. Hopefully the film will ignore the prequels and leave their origin at least ambiguous. (though Ridley should be allowed to finish what he set up, if only for closure and not having cliffhangers)
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 22, 2023, 03:20:45 PMI would like to see a return to form for the franchise and of course the creatures.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2023, 07:22:25 AMI fully expect them to be painstakingly accurate recreations of the AvPR aliens.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2023, 04:05:56 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Dec 22, 2023, 03:20:45 PMI would like to see a return to form for the franchise and of course the creatures.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2023, 07:22:25 AMI fully expect them to be painstakingly accurate recreations of the AvPR aliens.
Given the PefectOrganism scoops and Mike's Monsters comments, we certainly won't be getting the AvP Xenos.
Unless, they are all trolling us hahahaha
Don't say I didn't warn you.
Well I suppose it is still possible for things to get worse than what covenant did to the lore and avpr in general, but those movie's designs/lore etc set such a low bar that odds should be that the film give us an improvement. Like Prey over the predator.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2023, 04:09:36 PMDon't say I didn't warn you.
Do you know something we don't?
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2023, 06:30:15 PMhttps://media2.giphy.com/media/dsHZLWYu5SC6k/giphy.gif
Until the later seasons.... :laugh: ;D
as far as the creature design -
Wouldn't mind a Alien that is biomechanical and more Species-Like.
and maybe very slender like the Aliens Labyrinth designs
..that Alien Warrior Mythos statue with the 4 arms is really cool too.
My feeling is that they were been running out of ideas for sequels and spinoffs, which is why they had to bring in cosmic elements via the prequels. That's new material but it also brings in more creatures and thus more potential protagonists and antagonists, similar to what was happening in the fourth movie. It's also one possible reason why the AvP franchise didn't do as well.
Meanwhile, various content is repeated through, e.g., something discovered leading to chaos (on a rock, brought to a ship, etc.), an armed group (military, mercs, criminals, etc.), a corporate antagonist (a military general, a scientist, a businessman, etc.), a group of innocent people affected (a colony, people who are kidnapped, blue collar workers, prisoners, etc.), and so on.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 22, 2023, 06:38:49 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2023, 06:30:15 PMhttps://media2.giphy.com/media/dsHZLWYu5SC6k/giphy.gif
Until the later seasons.... :laugh: ;D
That quote basically IS Tyrion flanderization in a single sentence.
The eggmorphing would be nice.
That or some new way to make the alien feel alien again.
There was a poster here, Necrominocon II (i think, but i probably butchered that username), that also had some inside scoops, and they said that Fede had a sick mind and that he should have been given the "keys" to the franchise a long time ago, so that makes me think that some of the more Gigeresque aspects and psychosexual nature of the Xeno are coming back, after years of it being just another generic hollywood monster.
As much as i love Aliens, there is no mistake that Cameron demistified the Alien and made it into something much more understandable, the so-called space ant comparisons.
Some of the scrapped scripts and concepts for Alien 3 tried to bring back the Gigeresque nature of the Xeno, that whole thing with Michelle Ffeifer's lips and the barbed wire tongue, etc, but in the end, it was all scrapped, whether that would have been good or bad.
Quote from: PortugueseXeno on Dec 28, 2023, 03:46:13 PMThe eggmorphing would be nice.
That or some new way to make the alien feel alien again.
There was a poster here, Necrominocon II (i think, but i probably butchered that username), that also had some inside scoops, and they said that Fede had a sick mind and that he should have been given the "keys" to the franchise a long time ago, so that makes me think that some of the more Gigeresque aspects and psychosexual nature of the Xeno are coming back, after years of it being just another generic hollywood monster.
As much as i love Aliens, there is no mistake that Cameron demistified the Alien and made it into something much more understandable, the so-called space ant comparisons.
Some of the scrapped scripts and concepts for Alien 3 tried to bring back the Gigeresque nature of the Xeno, that whole thing with Michelle Ffeifer's lips and the barbed wire tongue, etc, but in the end, it was all scrapped, whether that would have been good or bad.
Aliens were already insect-like though, it can be seen in their designs, life-cycle and behavior. All Cameron did was add an egg layer, a source of the eggs that we had already seen before.
Quote from: PortugueseXeno on Dec 28, 2023, 03:46:13 PMThe eggmorphing would be nice.
That or some new way to make the alien feel alien again.
There was a poster here, Necrominocon II (i think, but i probably butchered that username), that also had some inside scoops, and they said that Fede had a sick mind and that he should have been given the "keys" to the franchise a long time ago, so that makes me think that some of the more Gigeresque aspects and psychosexual nature of the Xeno are coming back, after years of it being just another generic hollywood monster.
As much as i love Aliens, there is no mistake that Cameron demistified the Alien and made it into something much more understandable, the so-called space ant comparisons.
Some of the scrapped scripts and concepts for Alien 3 tried to bring back the Gigeresque nature of the Xeno, that whole thing with Michelle Ffeifer's lips and the barbed wire tongue, etc, but in the end, it was all scrapped, whether that would have been good or bad.
100% agree regarding eggmorphing and making the Alien 'alien' again as opposed to space ant. They'd be in my top three on a wish list along with bringing back cassette futurism (as opposed to the modern holographic sci-fi look of the prequels).
Isn't there still an issue with the Giger estate and these films? Or was that purely a dispute with Fox? Be interesting if Disney are willing to pay so the film can use more of his works.
What do I want to see in
Romulus? I guess official stuff that may help to satisfy my Engineers obsession.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0CM2JyB/Picsart-23-12-27-20-39-19-372.jpg)
...as the above is unlikely to happen...I guess I just want a good
Alien movie, with a design closer to Giger's🙃🙏
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Dec 28, 2023, 08:52:11 PMIsn't there still an issue with the Giger estate and these films? Or was that purely a dispute with Fox? Be interesting if Disney are willing to pay so the film can use more of his works.
Hopefully they can handle that :'( , or turn to artists like gutalin at least.
Totally unrelated;
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I have described this image to people before, forgetting Gutalin as the origin until just now, extremely happy to find it again.
I want it to go back to the origins. Full on slow burn horror with mystery and a perverted, elusive beast that always feels present yet isn't often in view.
What we will likely get is a cgi fake gore loud shoot em up with dumb ultra aggressive creatures that behave like any other monster.
And lavished with praise just for not being terrible. See: Prey.
Quote from: nanison on Dec 31, 2023, 03:46:48 AMWhat we will likely get is a cgi fake gore loud shoot em up with dumb ultra aggressive creatures that behave like any other monster.
Just say you've never seen an Alvarez movie.
Quote from: nanison on Dec 31, 2023, 03:46:48 AMWhat we will likely get is a cgi fake gore loud shoot em up with dumb ultra aggressive creatures that behave like any other monster.
Each director has their own take on the creature, but I hope it plays out more like the original, even if it has Stompy legs.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2023, 04:02:03 AMEach director has their own take on the creature, but I hope it plays out more like the original, even if it has Stompy legs.
https://s13.gifyu.com/images/SjFin.gif
I do believe the film creature that comes closest to the feel of the xeno in your clip, is the mirror-alien in
Annihilation. Inscrutable and other-worldly, with a latent sense of menace.
A good story, good acting, a focus on writing above all else, and the Big Chap design instead of the Jay Lenomorph variants
Big chap head, but I can never go back to big chap legs. I just can't see that thing running at me IRL without smirking at how stupid it would look.
I don't know, if shot correctly and they took on a particular posture, it could be well done.
Just think of it as a creature mimicking a human rather than a human in a suit.
Just put the legs mostly in the dark...mostly.
I'm not fussy, I just want a good Alien film for the first time since the mid 80s. Is that too much to ask?
Probably.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jan 16, 2024, 11:29:54 PMI'm not fussy, I just want a good Alien film for the first time since the mid 80s. Is that too much to ask?
Don't worry, Ridley Scott has seen it and loves it! :laugh:
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 17, 2024, 05:42:01 AMQuote from: Rankles75 on Jan 16, 2024, 11:29:54 PMI'm not fussy, I just want a good Alien film for the first time since the mid 80s. Is that too much to ask?
Don't worry, Ridley Scott has seen it and loves it! :laugh:
Mike's Monsters has partially seen it too hahaha
But he likes it too.
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 17, 2024, 05:42:01 AMQuote from: Rankles75 on Jan 16, 2024, 11:29:54 PMI'm not fussy, I just want a good Alien film for the first time since the mid 80s. Is that too much to ask?
Don't worry, Ridley Scott has seen it and loves it! :laugh:
Post-2012 I'm not sure if that puts me at ease lmao
Even if it isn't a direct sequel, there should be some acknowledgment of Covenant - both the film and the ship.
Personally, I'd prefer them not to have to shoehorn any reference to Covenant in. I'm happy for the film to exist outside of the storyline.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2024, 10:03:39 AMPersonally, I'd prefer them not to have to shoehorn any reference to Covenant in. I'm happy for the film to exist outside of the storyline.
I'm not!
Not all the films have to have a direct connection to the other. It would just be distracting if it's not natural.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2024, 10:19:12 AMNot all the films have to have a direct connection to the other. It would just be distracting if it's not natural.
Well, hopefully there's a natural connection!
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Jan 18, 2024, 09:46:58 AMEven if it isn't a direct sequel, there should be some acknowledgment of Covenant[/i] - both the film and the ship.
https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/team-america-vomit-team-america-puke-gif-3441023
:laugh:
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 18, 2024, 01:21:34 PMhttps://tenor.com/en-GB/view/team-america-vomit-team-america-puke-gif-3441023
:laugh:
Yeah, just like that.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 18, 2024, 01:21:34 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Jan 18, 2024, 09:46:58 AMEven if it isn't a direct sequel, there should be some acknowledgment of Covenant[/i] - both the film and the ship.
https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/team-america-vomit-team-america-puke-gif-3441023
:laugh:
Already got a very interesting throw up scene to cap off
Covenant, thank you very much.
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52c9d908e4b0e87887310693/1557591454129-T7CH9Y8A49BMFX2S2V9Q/Covenant_39.jpg?format=750w)
:laugh:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:14:53 PMAlready got a very interesting throw up scene to cap off Covenant, thank you very much.
And hopefully to kick off
Romulus (as a prologue of course)!
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Jan 18, 2024, 02:20:38 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:14:53 PMAlready got a very interesting throw up scene to cap off Covenant, thank you very much.
And hopefully to kick off Romulus (as a prologue of course)!
David as original creator or not, I just want to know that his horrible experiments are out there, drifting off in space, making life awful for those that happen upon them!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:31:49 PMDavid as original creator or not, I just want to know that his horrible experiments are out there, drifting off in space, making life awful for those that happen upon them!
They clearly are, given that both the Imp and the Stalker have shown up in the RPG. Plus the Praeto-Facehugger being a playable class implies that there are more out there.
Just remember that the RPG is bar-room canon. Its "what if". Still a nice expansive pool of potential lorestuff and its always good to see what potentially can be there.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:14:53 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Jan 18, 2024, 01:21:34 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Jan 18, 2024, 09:46:58 AMEven if it isn't a direct sequel, there should be some acknowledgment of Covenant[/i] - both the film and the ship.
https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/team-america-vomit-team-america-puke-gif-3441023
:laugh:
Already got a very interesting throw up scene to cap off Covenant, thank you very much.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52c9d908e4b0e87887310693/1557591454129-T7CH9Y8A49BMFX2S2V9Q/Covenant_39.jpg?format=750w
you guys are bullies to us lol. The pain!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:31:49 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Jan 18, 2024, 02:20:38 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:14:53 PMAlready got a very interesting throw up scene to cap off Covenant, thank you very much.
And hopefully to kick off Romulus (as a prologue of course)!
David as original creator or not, I just want to know that his horrible experiments are out there, drifting off in space, making life awful for those that happen upon them!
oh I don't want them to disappear either.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 18, 2024, 02:57:08 PMJust remember that the RPG is bar-room canon. Its "what if". Still a nice expansive pool of potential lorestuff and its always good to see what potentially can be there.
Bar-room canon is relegated to the "myths and legends" stuff such as the
Aliens Omnibus novels and the Kenner toy line.
Stuff like the RPG, current Titan novel run, and
Fireteam Elite are, as of this writing, absolutely canon. Barring, of course, executive veto. But until then...
Gaska himself said it was bar room canon.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 18, 2024, 09:44:21 PMGaska himself said it was bar room canon.
That definition only applies to Myths and Legends - the "third option" that covers stories and concepts that don't fit into the canon as it presently stands. Stuff that you'd overhear in a bar; see the examples I've previously outlined, like the Kenner toy line and unproduced scripts. Only the locations in this field are canon; the events are more than likely to be non-canonical.
It is what he said regarding the canonicity of the rpg, its bar room canon, its hear say, what if etc. Basically entirely up to the player.
It's a film franchise and the films have historically never given a shit what the EU does.
If it's not a film it's not canon to the films.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:31:49 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Jan 18, 2024, 02:20:38 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2024, 02:14:53 PMAlready got a very interesting throw up scene to cap off Covenant, thank you very much.
And hopefully to kick off Romulus (as a prologue of course)!
David as original creator or not, I just want to know that his horrible experiments are out there, drifting off in space, making life awful for those that happen upon them!
And that's where they can stay! :laugh: Away from David being the Space Jockey. Floating in the depth along with David.
I'm pretty happy with David being out there and doing his thing in Origae 6 and the space jockey doing their entirely separate thing on LV-426 (which is NOT next door to LV-223, as far as I'm concerned).
Quote from: Kane's other son on Feb 09, 2024, 04:27:26 PMI'm pretty happy with David being out there and doing his thing in Origae 6 and the space jockey doing their entirely separate thing on LV-426 (which is NOT next door to LV-223, as far as I'm concerned).
Well, we don't actually know if David reached Origae-6. He might have gone to another Engineer world.
What do you want to see in Romulus? An alien. Is that enough? :)
Got a funny feeling you'll get one.
I just wonder how many we're going to get.
The slasher fan in me just wants to see some great violent kills 8)
Quote from: MudButt on Feb 10, 2024, 07:51:32 PMThe slasher fan in me just wants to see some great violent kills 8)
The Fede Álvarez behind the camera likely agrees, given his filmography.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 10, 2024, 08:07:16 PMQuote from: MudButt on Feb 10, 2024, 07:51:32 PMThe slasher fan in me just wants to see some great violent kills 8)
The Fede Álvarez behind the camera likely agrees, given his filmography.
Oh yes. Evil Dead levels of terror/violence in the Alien universe? Yes please!
Quote from: MudButt on Feb 10, 2024, 08:17:31 PMOh yes. Evil Dead levels of terror/violence in the Alien universe? Yes please!
You should read the RPG scenario
Heart of Darkness.
Characters interesting enough that, when they violently die, I feel something.
Great practical effects.
Just one alien would be fine for me.
Big Chap. :)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2024, 08:11:17 PMBig Chap. :)
I love how this has snowballed! I was positing this theory in December and it didn't get the traction you seem to have been able to garner. Chapeau to you! :D
Forget what I want to see, I want to hear the cue at three minutes in to return, as the Alien theme.
I want to see a movie that at least the slim majority of the fandom enjoys - a movie that I don't constantly feel like I'm defending - a movie that doesn't make any Italians vomit in alleyways.
What was that last line?
Joking about Omega's dramatic reaction to Prometheus.
Oh him. ::)
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Feb 18, 2024, 10:36:10 AMI want to see a movie that at least the slim majority of the fandom enjoys - a movie that I don't constantly feel like I'm defending - a movie that doesn't make any Italians vomit in alleyways.
I hope this movie to be the Alien Isolation of the films or what it was Prey for Predator, good character's, good story, practical effects and tension. And of curse, an great comeback of our classic Alien. And I really have faith in Fede Alvarez to deliver all this.
Fede seem to be really inspired by Isolation, which is really good.
Anyways he's the main reason I'm so excited about this movie.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 15, 2024, 10:15:00 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqIm-3QQP-w
Forget what I want to see, I want to hear the cue at three minutes in to return, as the Alien theme.
I really love the Covenant score, but I've always appreciated how all six movies have different sounds from different composers. I'm eager to hear who's composing for Romulus.
https://youtu.be/iHF3O6OHFS0?t=3940
Roque Baños composed the last scores for Fede.
Good chance that it's him again.
He's very good.
We did get a different composer for each film, so that would keep the "tradition" alive.
I do hope they don't revisit the Goldsmith themes though. I actually liked it in Covenant, but Covenant had it's own musical identity anyway so it worked. But I just want them to leave the Goldsmith themes alone going forward and not overdo it.
Yep, my favourite one is Goldenthal's Alien 3. It has it's own style, still Alien like but different. I hope we get something like that.
I'd like to see more reflections of the political climate, maybe some references to the UPP. Given the timeframe, the ICSC won't exist yet though.
Perhaps experimental Xenos, I'd love to see a larger Chestburster slither about and constrict around someone before going for skull.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:30:22 AMPerhaps experimental Xenos
I've done my best to avoid the spoilers, but something tells me you may be in luck.
First and foremost developped characters (just a bit would be ok) that, when they die, make me feel something.
Very important in this kind of movie.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 22, 2024, 08:40:12 AMFirst and foremost developped characters (just a bit would be ok) that, when they die, make me feel something.
Very important in this kind of movie.
Exactly, like in Alien and Aliens where you really feel heartbroken when characters die, especially in Aliens.
I'm interested in seeing how much it ties into Noah Hawleys Alien series. I think there is potential to clear up the early timeline from TV to Alien to Romulus.
Well Hawley said he will ignore the prequels while this movie won't, so there's that.
I think this movie should focus on thrills and not on philosophical ponderings and symbolism. I'm a big fan of Covenant and Prometheus but I'm afraid that in such a film there's no room for depictions of resourceful, smart characters and metaphorical layers. It has to be one or the other.
I also hope characters won't be used as a pretext to kill them off in order to move the plot forward...
You can absolutely be successful in doing both, saying otherwise's a failure of imagination, it's just Alien Covenant had no interest in anything outside of getting to said ideas from the inception... and that characterisation and character logic focused type of writing got whittled away from various drafts until we got what we got in the case of Prometheus.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2024, 03:10:16 PMYou can absolutely be successful in doing both, saying otherwise's a failure of imagination, it's just Alien Covenant had no interest in anything outside of getting to said ideas from the inception... and that characterisation and character logic focused type of writing got whittled away from various drafts until we got what we got in the case of Prometheus.
You can do both, yes, but a lot of modern audiences are raised on CinemaSins, have nitpicking mentality and also are accustomed to more expository nature of TV show so they expect films to go "kitchen sink" realism route. Covenant was telegraphing a lot of things (the habitability of Planet 4) in multiple ways, but still it wasn't recognized and the movie was bashed for it to no end.
Of course I feel there is space in horror movies for psychological depth and extraordinary thrills (see The Descent), but I think that in the context of modern Alien movies, it's a feat that is hard to pull off. I'd be happy if the movie focused just on survivalism and visuals and succeeded in just that, but I also hope for something "extra".
Let's hope there is a lot of chocolate
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That scene was horrific.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Mar 23, 2024, 03:17:38 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2024, 03:10:16 PMYou can absolutely be successful in doing both, saying otherwise's a failure of imagination, it's just Alien Covenant had no interest in anything outside of getting to said ideas from the inception... and that characterisation and character logic focused type of writing got whittled away from various drafts until we got what we got in the case of Prometheus.
You can do both, yes, but a lot of modern audiences are raised on CinemaSins, have nitpicking mentality and also are accustomed to more expository nature of TV show so they expect films to go "kitchen sink" realism route. Covenant was telegraphing a lot of things (the habitability of Planet 4) in multiple ways, but still it wasn't recognized and the movie was bashed for it to no end.
Of course I feel there is space in horror movies for psychological depth and extraordinary thrills (see The Descent), but I think that in the context of modern Alien movies, it's a feat that is hard to pull off. I'd be happy if the movie focused just on survivalism and visuals and succeeded in just that, but I also hope for something "extra".
I blame cinema sins largely for the state of modern fandoms! I'm ashamed that I used to like them when the vidoes were 4 to 5 minutes long lol
I just hope the design of the Alien is closer to the original. Didn't really get to see much in that trailer but the teeth did look metalic.
Apparently it is. Although there seem to be other stuff in store also.
I hope the alien is smart and cunning. Not just a dumb glass Canon.
And HR Giger inspired design
I'm a bit worried about comments made my MikesMonsters to he honest. I'm not against his posts or him whatsoever. And I'm not against spoilers so I had no problem thoroughly reading his posts (which weren't spoiling anything IMO anyway).
It's just I've now seen some comments from him where he says the entire plot has been spoiled. Does he mean online in general or these forums? Because if what I've read about the plot on these forums being the 'entire' thing then the movie is going to dissapoint me and I was incredibly hyped for it.
Just having some space colonists fight for survival against some Aliens just isn't enough for me anymore with this series.
I can watch any number of movies that do that (A Quiet Place etc). I need more lore and more connections (or at least retcons that make some sense) to explain why the other movies work the way they do. I'm looking at Cameron's movie and the 57 year time gap and WY apparently do nothing or have no knowledge of the xenomorph. After all if this movie wants to place itself in between arguably the best two movies of the franchise I'll be sorely dissapointed if its not intelligently explained and just hand waved away.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 08:10:48 PMI hope the alien is smart and cunning. Not just a dumb glass Canon.
And HR Giger inspired design
I hope he's more like in the first movie, and less beastly/animalistic like in A3/Covenant.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 23, 2024, 08:29:35 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 08:10:48 PMI hope the alien is smart and cunning. Not just a dumb glass Canon.
And HR Giger inspired design
I hope he's more like in the first movie, and less beastly/animalistic like in A3/Covenant.
How about that shower scene in Covenant, Protomorph did show some level of interest in the Woman, especially in the extended scene
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 09:03:30 PMHow about that shower scene in Covenant, Protomorph did show some level of interest in the Woman, especially in the extended scene
Praetomorph.
The Protomorphs are the creatures from
Prometheus.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 09:03:30 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 23, 2024, 08:29:35 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 08:10:48 PMI hope the alien is smart and cunning. Not just a dumb glass Canon.
And HR Giger inspired design
I hope he's more like in the first movie, and less beastly/animalistic like in A3/Covenant.
How about that shower scene in Covenant, Protomorph did show some level of interest in the Woman, especially in the extended scene
Overshadowed by how we were all astounded Lope got impregnated by a facehugger while it was in his face for all of 14 seconds. When in Alien its on Kane for 18 hours!
It's not that the Alien at the end of Covenant was bad. It's how we got an Alien at the end of Covenant. And it's even worse that it's apparently something to do with the patch David puts on the guys wound!
The actor said he got infected through his cheek as they were pulling the thing off.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 23, 2024, 09:10:34 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 09:03:30 PMHow about that shower scene in Covenant, Protomorph did show some level of interest in the Woman, especially in the extended scene
Praetomorph.
The Protomorphs are the creatures from Prometheus.
I thought that spell was just a different pronunciation of the same word
Quote from: Jonjamess on Mar 23, 2024, 09:11:36 PMOvershadowed by how we were all astounded Lope got impregnated by a facehugger while it was in his face for all of 14 seconds. When in Alien its on Kane for 18 hours!
It's not that the Alien at the end of Covenant was bad. It's how we got an Alien at the end of Covenant. And it's even worse that it's apparently something to do with the patch David puts on the guys wound!
No, Praeto-Facehuggers only take a second to implant hosts. Same with the chestburster (or Imp) taking much less time to mature.
I never really liked the shower scene, gives me too much friday the 13th vibes, and the CGI wasn't good enough.
But the idea of a vicious and sneaky alien is good obviously.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 23, 2024, 09:51:43 PMI never really liked the shower scene, gives me too much friday the 13th vibes, and the CGI wasn't good enough.
But the idea of a vicious and sneaky alien is good obviously.
I do agree that they use the CGI unnecessarily. I did like the how the Praetomorph behavior Like it was interested with the act in the shower. Extended cut, you can quite see that It pulls the woman with his tail closer
Yeah I saw it, it was reminiscent of the first movie scene with Lambert.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 12:14:33 AMYeah I saw it, it was reminiscent of the first movie scene with Lambert.
And I love that I kind of wish I see more of it. It show be these creatures are intelligent, but also sick f**ks.
Vicious and nasty, that's how we like'em.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 12:53:55 AMVicious and nasty, that's how we like'em.
Exactly, just how Giger like it
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 24, 2024, 12:16:40 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 12:14:33 AMYeah I saw it, it was reminiscent of the first movie scene with Lambert.
And I love that I kind of wish I see more of it. It show be these creatures are intelligent, but also sick f**ks.
If anyone's going to give us a "kid pulling the wings off flies" Alien, it's probably Fede.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2024, 03:06:11 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 24, 2024, 12:16:40 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 12:14:33 AMYeah I saw it, it was reminiscent of the first movie scene with Lambert.
And I love that I kind of wish I see more of it. It show be these creatures are intelligent, but also sick f**ks.
If anyone's going to give us a "kid pulling the wings off flies" Alien, it's probably Fede.
I wish, we gotta watch the movie and find out
August can't come soon enough.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 24, 2024, 12:06:43 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 23, 2024, 09:51:43 PMI never really liked the shower scene, gives me too much friday the 13th vibes, and the CGI wasn't good enough.
But the idea of a vicious and sneaky alien is good obviously.
I do agree that they use the CGI unnecessarily. I did like the how the Praetomorph behavior Like it was interested with the act in the shower. Extended cut, you can quite see that It pulls the woman with his tail closer
Xenomorph: "Everybody.. needs somebody to love."
*Sigh*
Every time I kiss pretty humans they die...
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 24, 2024, 03:34:06 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 24, 2024, 12:06:43 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 23, 2024, 09:51:43 PMI never really liked the shower scene, gives me too much friday the 13th vibes, and the CGI wasn't good enough.
But the idea of a vicious and sneaky alien is good obviously.
I do agree that they use the CGI unnecessarily. I did like the how the Praetomorph behavior Like it was interested with the act in the shower. Extended cut, you can quite see that It pulls the woman with his tail closer
Xenomorph: "Everybody.. needs somebody to love."
*Sigh*
Every time I kiss pretty humans they die...
Big Chap: I tried love on somebody once, she now just a mutilated corpse.
I'd really like to see Eggmorphing make a comeback. Moreover, I'd like to see the black-goo payload hypothesis that Alex White proposed for the facehuggers to also be used for it.
I'm probably asking a bit too much though.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 23, 2024, 09:12:42 PMThe actor said he got infected through his cheek as they were pulling the thing off.
Still bad though. Because if it only needs for its sac fluid to be absorbed through open wounds or the mouth and that quick too, then there is no point in knocking hosts out and sticking to their faces for hours, they only need to be able to inject the stuff and thats it. The whole scene pretty much renders the parastic nature of facehuggers almost pointless, since if they can infect that quickly, there is no reason to have air sacs to keep hosts alive.
Sure, one could say its a different breed (which is what the RPG does but regardless it still screws with realism on growth speed) but it stayed on Oram for some time which as it turns out, it apparently didn't need to.
I hope that the huggers we see in that Romulas trailer have life-cycle time of the original movies.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 24, 2024, 04:09:48 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 24, 2024, 03:34:06 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 24, 2024, 12:06:43 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 23, 2024, 09:51:43 PMI never really liked the shower scene, gives me too much friday the 13th vibes, and the CGI wasn't good enough.
But the idea of a vicious and sneaky alien is good obviously.
I do agree that they use the CGI unnecessarily. I did like the how the Praetomorph behavior Like it was interested with the act in the shower. Extended cut, you can quite see that It pulls the woman with his tail closer
Xenomorph: "Everybody.. needs somebody to love."
*Sigh*
Every time I kiss pretty humans they die...
Big Chap: I tried love on somebody once, she now just a mutilated corpse.
Queen Alien: This is the Way.
Tone of alien, grit and gore of evil dead 2013. Hopefully more fodder then the 7 we have but to be fair evil dead did a damn good job with 6 or 7 cast members.
Also I would love to see acid blood in the zero gravity scene. Can you imagine the blood floating around and a character can't get out of the way of it? I think the physics in that would make for a great set piece.
I want to see two Xenos tear someone apart in a tag team move, maybe one skullbobs (bobbing for skull rather than apples) and the other goes for the chest.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 09:16:04 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 23, 2024, 09:10:34 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 09:03:30 PMHow about that shower scene in Covenant, Protomorph did show some level of interest in the Woman, especially in the extended scene
Praetomorph.
The Protomorphs are the creatures from Prometheus.
I thought that spell was just a different pronunciation of the same word
There's a little more history to it. Protomorphs was what the fandom had been calling Covenant's Aliens in the lead-up, but when it came to writing the RPG, several of us consulting on it expressed displeasure at the outlet who coined the term and so the RPG changed it slightly to Praetomorph to not so directly connect it. Just a bit of petty fandom fighting.
I thought scified came up with the term protomorph.
Correct.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 24, 2024, 07:21:32 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 23, 2024, 09:12:42 PMThe actor said he got infected through his cheek as they were pulling the thing off.
Still bad though. Because if it only needs for its sac fluid to be absorbed through open wounds or the mouth and that quick too, then there is no point in knocking hosts out and sticking to their faces for hours, they only need to be able to inject the stuff and thats it. The whole scene pretty much renders the parastic nature of facehuggers almost pointless, since if they can infect that quickly, there is no reason to have air sacs to keep hosts alive.
Sure, one could say its a different breed (which is what the RPG does but regardless it still screws with realism on growth speed) but it stayed on Oram for some time which as it turns out, it apparently didn't need to.
I hope that the huggers we see in that Romulas trailer have life-cycle time of the original movies.
Like.....they could literally just walk around........spraying people in the face in a not so subtle sexual reference and mass produce a million times faster.
Yeah, the body would then seem to only need to absorb the stuff the hugger injects, so mouth, open wounds, eyes, nose. Heck even your skin can absorb. Makes the paralysing, coma and breathing for hosts unnecessary.
Simple really, David's Facehuggers were all horned up and had never touched anyone before but their synthetic father so they immediately combusted like a bloody teenager, whereas Kane's bedfellow was very sleepy and had just been in a cold pool!
Also easy to chalk it up and say that David's not-yet-finished Alien variant/predecessor, with its spindly, fleshy limbs and complete lack of biomechanics, operate on a different gestation timetable than the more refined "Perfect Organism."
That is even more of a problem though, how can something unfinished have a far superior (if stupid fast and implausible) life-cycle than the "finished" product so to speak. If one wants to rapidly take over a population then the Praetomorph has superior infestion rate, heck even Neomorph spores are more dangerous.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 02:09:26 PMThat is even more of a problem though, how can something unfinished have a far superior (if stupid fast and implausible) life-cycle than the "finished" product so to speak. If one wants to rapidly take over a population then the Praetomorph has superior infestion rate, heck even Neomorph spores are more dangerous.
Neomorphs die after a day or two, while Xenomorphs live for much longer. Plus, the Praetomorph's lack of intelligence largely negates its other apparent attributes, though it's unclear if that is caused by the abbreviated gestation time.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 02:09:26 PMThat is even more of a problem though, how can something unfinished have a far superior (if stupid fast and implausible) life-cycle than the "finished" product so to speak.
David's facehuggers in
Alien: Covenant create a more spindly, fleshy, overall weaker/less refined end result than the facehugger seen in
Alien is able to produce. At the end of the film its apparent that his work isn't done and he's back to the drawing board (with a whole new batch of raw material to play with one the Covenant). It takes some extra time in the oven to produce perfection.
And we know that when designing the creatures for
Alien: Covenant, the artists explicitly held off on the biomechanics because they were advised that that angle was being saved to be introduced in "Alien: Destiny."
Setting aside The RPG.
I believe we have discussed before that the variant on 16EG14 propagating faster might not be a net benefit as well either, with the longer gestation timeline and amnesia caused by our Derelict Alien it is able to (hypothetically speaking) spread farther amongst an unaware population.
Two people get infected with the 16EG14 version and get on two planes you get two plane crashes.
Two people get infected with the LV-426 version and get on two planes you get two continents now dealing with this thing.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 25, 2024, 02:15:16 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 02:09:26 PMThat is even more of a problem though, how can something unfinished have a far superior (if stupid fast and implausible) life-cycle than the "finished" product so to speak. If one wants to rapidly take over a population then the Praetomorph has superior infestion rate, heck even Neomorph spores are more dangerous.
Neomorphs die after a day or two, while Xenomorphs live for much longer. Plus, the Praetomorph's lack of intelligence largely negates its other apparent attributes, though it's unclear if that is caused by the abbreviated gestation time.
True enough they got flaws but neither would really impact their effectiveness at infestations. While the Neomorph dies shortly, its body creates more spores. It only takes one spore to make a new neomorph. So one dead body could infect multiple hosts. They Praetomorph doesn't really need high intelligence to cause mass chaos and infections. Assuming of course its not an evolutionary dead end. I can't recall if they have a queen or some other method of egglaying.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 02:24:34 PMTrue enough they got flaws but neither would really impact their effectiveness at infestations. While the Neomorph dies shortly, its body creates more spores. It only takes one spore to make a new neomorph. So one dead body could infect multiple hosts. They Praetomorph doesn't really need high intelligence to cause mass chaos and infections. Assuming of course its not an evolutionary dead end. I can't recall if they have a queen or some other method of egglaying.
The Praetomorph indeed lacks a Queen stage, though last we heard David was working on that. And yes, while the two would cause carnage, would they be as effective as the mainline Xeno? Probably not.
I guess that may be true, plus I suppose a longer gestation does mean slipping under the radar more easier. I think the comic where earth got infested was because the infected cultists were able to use transport to go everywhere on earth. They would not have been able to do that if they popped seconds after implantation.
Maybe some of Gigers ideas he had with Alien 3....I can't remember if his idea that it played music depending on the alien's emotion or when it runs it would make some kind of sound or a different xenomorph/animal hybrid ....anyway I think I will be happy with what Fede Alvarez has made.
Alien Isolation seems to have been a big inspiration. Can't wait! 8)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2024, 03:02:38 PMAlien Isolation seems to have been a big inspiration. Can't wait! 8)
I hope there is a scene of a Xeno slowly descending from the vents like in isoaltion.
There was so mcuh grace to that scene, that i hope to see a movie capture that.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2024, 03:02:38 PM
Or sound mimicry
Quote from: Redcloud21 on Mar 25, 2024, 02:58:58 PMMaybe some of Gigers ideas he had with Alien 3....
Give me the Michelle Pfeiffer lips.
Can't decide which post to put this under, but figured the board could get a kick out it:
At work this morning I was trying to convince a friend to watch the Alien and Aliens because they're cinematic masterpieces and have a lot of depth thematically. A guy at work (who has been secretly nicknamed "Know-it-all" by others) chimes into let me know a new one is coming out. He then tells me that that he saw the trailer and that Ripley is coming back. I told him this wasn't true and the movie takes places while Ripley is still in hyperspace. He remained very skeptical of what I was telling him, and eventually I said "trust me, I have no life and I listen to a podcast about this. Ripley isn't coming back." :laugh:
It makes me wonder what a lot do casual fans are expecting from this movie! And I can't fathom why they think ripleys coming back unless they think that caile spainey is just a recast. 🤷
It is probably because at the end of the trailer, when the woman is got that get up and early model pulse rifle, folks are likey getting Ripley vibes, probably Amanda ones to be specific. Goes without say its unlikely to be featuring that character. Though to be fair its only 5 years after Isolation.
In France I see a lot of comments online saying Spaeny is playing Amanda Ripley for sure :laugh:
People are pattern seekers, that's why, even when it's to the detriment of believability, they can not stop...
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 02:44:38 PMI guess that may be true, plus I suppose a longer gestation does mean slipping under the radar more easier. I think the comic where earth got infested was because the infected cultists were able to use transport to go everywhere on earth. They would not have been able to do that if they popped seconds after implantation.
Don't give in. I'm with you. Its nonsensical. There's no point in the facehuggers having anatomy like they do in Covenant if they can just "jizz" on people's faces in 10 seconds and the job is done.
There's also no logical reason for the face patch thing from David. I'm yet to see someone explain how the face patch in the movie (while implied as something sinister) was any different to any impregnated. Except that the facehugger was allowed to sit on Oram for however long and only Lope for seconds.
It's non sensical.
I think it was when they cut into the sac, the fluid that popped out was not just the acid, so when it melted Lope's cheek, the infectious stuff also went in too. Still unbelievably stupid though.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2024, 03:02:38 PMAlien Isolation seems to have been a big inspiration. Can't wait! 8)
I have never played it due to lack of PC or consoles, but now its on app stores! At last I can play it and in time for Romulus! :)
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 08:44:31 PMI think it was when they cut into the sac, the fluid that popped out was not just the acid, so when it melted Lope's cheek, the infectious stuff also went in too. Still unbelievably stupid though.
Yep that sucked. Among maaaany other things in this movie.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 25, 2024, 09:04:46 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2024, 03:02:38 PMAlien Isolation seems to have been a big inspiration. Can't wait! 8)
I have never played it due to lack of PC or consoles, but now its on app stores! At last I can play it and in time for Romulus! :)
It's never too late. This game is great.
You can probably play Isolation and Blackout back to back on a phone honestly. Take advantage of that unexpected benefit of the genetic crossing!
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2024, 09:09:49 PMYou can probably play Isolation and Blackout back to back on a phone honestly. Take advantage of that unexpected benefit of the genetic crossing!
Well, not with blackout if you haven't downloaded yet. It's been taken off the App Store sadly. Game was kind of fun though somewhat frustrating in some points. It's not nearly as bad as Diablo immortal. Once you buy the game you get the full thing. Take notes dead by daylight.
Gonna get a little bingo card for premiere night!
What I want to see:
- A well-paced and thought out plot that doesn't tread on any of the prior film's toes and has good character development!
- Plenty of gore and poor WY/Secondary characters getting ragdolled or chomped on.
- WY variants of the Xeno/Black Goo - which raises the question STILL on who created the eggs to begin with/how did WY get their hands on a swarm of facehuggers?
- Horror elements similar to Alien/Aliens
- WILDCARD - David vs WY variants duke it out similar to Aliens: Genocide or the K-series war.
- WILDCARD II: BOOGALOO - Any of these variants showing up/getting a reference (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens_(Kenner)#Products)
f**k it...I'll add another:
I'd like to see a reasonable attempt to explain how they found the alien floating in space. Anything that's somewhat logical or plausible. Even if it's something like "Every harpoon gun rod has a tracker in it's shaft for game-tracking purposes."
EDIT: Now that I think of it, that's a heck of a lot more plausible and easier to digest then the company having a convoluted method of backtracking the Narcissus' flight path and spending inordinate amounts of time and money to find him. It's still contrived and convenient, but also simpler for them to carry out.
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 05:11:29 PMf**k it...I'll add another:
I'd like to see a reasonable attempt to explain how they found the alien floating in space. Anything that's somewhat logical or plausible. Even if it's something like "Every harpoon gun rod has a tracker in it's shaft for game-tracking purposes."
That could work or maybe Kane had a implant like the ones in Aliens, and Chappie grew around it before bursting forth.
Personally, if it was blind luck that a deep salvage team found Ripley I'm fine with it being a similar thing for them to find big chap.
But a shuttle is waaay more visible than a body.
Yeah, BC is basically a black cat in a dark room
Whatever it takes to get the movie kickstarted, but to be fair I'm also someone who loves the idea of
Spoiler
Big chap being found
The shuttle was also transmitting.
This is the same thing I dislike about the prequels; it makes space so small.
The vast emptiness of space is quite well respected in the Alien franchise, but this and the prequel movies treats space like everyone is first cousins and lives within a twelve block radius.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 07:38:47 PMBut a shuttle is waaay more visible than a body.
And a black exoskeleton in the black of space much harder to see.
Perhaps the shuttle engines propulsion knocked Big Chap back towards the Nostromo debris field? That someone had decided to investigate, picked up very faint life signs, originally looking for survivors? Just trying to make it make some sense.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 10:26:44 PMPerhaps the shuttle engines propulsion knocked Big Chap back towards the Nostromo debris field? That someone had decided to investigate, picked up very faint life signs, originally looking for survivors? Just trying to make it make some sense.
It would make sense Weyland would investigate that area.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 10:26:44 PMPerhaps the shuttle engines propulsion knocked Big Chap back towards the Nostromo debris field? That someone had decided to investigate, picked up very faint life signs, originally looking for survivors? Just trying to make it make some sense.
Alien is blown in the opposite direction.
Was the Nostromo still near LV-426 when it exploded? I thought it resumed its course back to Earth before Kane even woke up.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2024, 10:32:34 PMWas the Nostromo still near LV-426 when it exploded? I thought it resumed its course back to Earth before Kane even woke up.
Yes, they were on their way home and travelling over the speed of light when it exploded.
Unless the company was right there when it exploded, travelling the same speed, there's no debris "field" by the time anyone arrives, just an infinitely expanding shell of pieces with thousands or millions of kilometres between them
Would you expect a shitty midquel novel to acknowledge any of that?
No, because then the shitty midquel couldn't happen.
The harpoon tip theory does not sit right with me, it having a tracker in it makes some sense, but only for the gun.
I can see it now actually, a character asks how this happened, and we get this exact line:
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(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvTgObuGuOzB3T4YTw3N61vXfdJoWRHYHyjrqvEINQVVpsLBSBjYdWhqd15DWOYC16GctgAfn9tyb4ttfWIdyjhpFwsqgY3MVjpjiu-fiEmf_a1ylMNX_FTVZMIbdTcF5iiMHgDZvzRAo/s1600/alien_215.JPG)
"There is an explanation for this you know."
I'm predicting they'll go full Star Trek and give us some shit like this:
"Sir, our sensors are picking up a faint lifesign several thousand kilometers ahead! It appears to be humanoid!"
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 11:03:24 PMThe harpoon tip theory does not sit right with me, it having a tracker in it makes some sense, but only for the gun.
I can see it now actually, a character asks how this happened, and we get this exact line:
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(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvTgObuGuOzB3T4YTw3N61vXfdJoWRHYHyjrqvEINQVVpsLBSBjYdWhqd15DWOYC16GctgAfn9tyb4ttfWIdyjhpFwsqgY3MVjpjiu-fiEmf_a1ylMNX_FTVZMIbdTcF5iiMHgDZvzRAo/s1600/alien_215.JPG)
"There is an explanation for this you know."
And because Disney now owns the franchise the explanation will be a book called Alien: Exegesis or Somehow Chappie Returned. :D
No real explanation ever.
Just like the Death Star ruins, cool conceptually, but makes no sense.
I want to see
Spoiler
all these scientists working around the object containing Big Chap, just going about their business when Big Chap's hand suddenly jerks up like it did with Ripley in the escape pod.
That could not be more lame, behaving like itself yes, sure fine- but literally doing the same actions and beats we have seen before will make me want to kill the nearest person frankly.
If it is intended to be the same exact thing, have the behaviour be an evolution from what we have seen before, get rid of whatever patience it previously had!
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 11:16:34 PMThat could not be more lame, behaving like Spoiler
Big Chap
Oh please let this not go The Terminator Genysis route... please...
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 11:16:34 PMThat could not be more lame, behaving like itself yes, sure fine- but literally doing the same actions and beats we have seen before will make me want to kill the nearest person frankly.
If it is intended to be the same exact thing, have the behaviour be an evolution from what we have seen before, get rid of whatever patience it previously had!
What's hilarious is that is what most of the fans boys cry about "It's too different! I want the old Alien back! Why can't it be the same? Just give me more of the original Big Chap!" Boo Hoo.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Mar 27, 2024, 12:28:32 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 11:16:34 PMThat could not be more lame, behaving like itself yes, sure fine- but literally doing the same actions and beats we have seen before will make me want to kill the nearest person frankly.
If it is intended to be the same exact thing, have the behaviour be an evolution from what we have seen before, get rid of whatever patience it previously had!
What's hilarious is that is what most of the fans boys cry about "It's too different! I want the old Alien back! Why can't it be the same? Just give me more of the original Big Chap!" Boo Hoo.
And then if they do what the fan boys want they will cry, "felt like a rehash, re-tread, unoriginality!"
A consistent creature design isn't the same thing as gratuitous callbacks and recycled story beats.
This was just a "what I'd like to see" thing. Emphasis on the "I". You know, kind of what the thread title says? Not really open for discussion.
I would love to see it...the end.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Mar 27, 2024, 12:42:00 AMThis was just a "what I'd like to see" thing. Emphasis on the "I". You know, kind of what the thread title says? Not really open for discussion.
I would love to see it...the end.
Still pending approval. >:(
It's not enough to disagree; you're wrong and bad for thinking that was a good idea.
Ahem, agree to disagree.
Maybe do that before being unnecessarily obnoxious to people?
Not that I am though, any more than yourself, unnecessarily or otherwise:
Quote from: SiL on Mar 24, 2024, 09:23:50 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2024, 09:14:58 PMAgree to disagree.
No, I don't think I will.
I want to see the Queen Alien. Its been twenty years since she has been on the big screen. Though I doubt she will be, this is Chappie's glory.
I'd prefer another film, later, to showcase a queen. Have her be a genuine character/antagonist from early on in the story so the final showdown echoes some of that Aliens grudge match vibe, without resorting to outright memberberries.
I want to see a callback to Cornbread.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2024, 03:47:37 AMI'd prefer another film, later, to showcase a queen. Have her be a genuine character/antagonist from early on in the story so the final showdown echoes some of that Aliens grudge match vibe, without resorting to outright memberberries.
I'd like to see how quickly a pulse rifle would annihilate a queen if the wielder actually had the bright idea to shoot directly at her.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 03:54:27 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2024, 03:47:37 AMI'd prefer another film, later, to showcase a queen. Have her be a genuine character/antagonist from early on in the story so the final showdown echoes some of that Aliens grudge match vibe, without resorting to outright memberberries.
I'd like to see how quickly a pulse rifle would annihilate a queen if the wielder actually had the bright idea to shoot directly at her.
Presumably pretty fast, which is why you couch it as a legit villain rather than a tank boss.
Ripley not shooting the Queen with a grenade will always be frustratingly dumb.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2024, 04:55:52 AMRipley not shooting the Queen with a grenade will always be frustratingly dumb.
One to the chest or face would have done the trick, and presumably would have been the
first one you let off.
I can only imagine she didnt think it could remove the eggsac and give chase. Still I would have taken her out first.
Isn't the pulse rifle supposed to be equipped with some kind of armor piercing or explosive rounds ? Shots in her head should be enough.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 10:41:51 AMIsn't the pulse rifle supposed to be equipped with some kind of armor piercing or explosive rounds ? Shots in her head should be enough.
Yeah, but you'd need to hit her square in the face. Her head crest would deflect anything that strikes it.
Plus, Ripley faced constant threat from the masses of eggs in all directions, she had Newt to think about, and the Queen's guard were swarming her.
maybe ripley didn't use a grenade because of the acid.
She then threw the grenade belt towards the queen, but it was different than if she fired it directly at her.
She was full of tension and no longer acted thoughtfully but instead let out her hatred of the aliens.
The rifle was empty at some point, it all had to happen that way because the script still called for the famous final fight.
And what a cool fight it was.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 12:41:48 PMAnd what a cool fight it was.
Definitely!
One of the best showdowns ever.
And prepared quite cleverly. The Powerloader is introduced as a tool used by the Marines at the beginning of the film and ends up saving Ripley's ass.
(At least for a while)
Quote from: Eal on Mar 27, 2024, 03:50:56 AMI want to see a callback to Cornbread.
I don't like the cornbread either.
I never tried it, sounds good on paper.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 04:53:21 PMI never tried it, sounds good on paper.
I highly recommend it. It's pretty good comfort food.
Is it supposed to be sweet or salty ?
Quote from: Neila on Mar 27, 2024, 04:12:58 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 12:41:48 PMAnd what a cool fight it was.
Definitely!
One of the best showdowns ever.
And prepared quite cleverly. The Powerloader is introduced as a tool used by the Marines at the beginning of the film and ends up saving Ripley's ass.
(At least for a while)
Usually in fiction what is cool is way better to do than what's realistic! But also even in real life ppl don't do what "makes sense."
And corn bread is delicious!
The Colonial Marines Operations Manual even has a recipe!
Quote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 27, 2024, 07:24:20 PMAnd corn bread is delicious!
I love me some cornbread. Just make sure there's no corn chunks in it.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 27, 2024, 07:26:30 PMQuote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 27, 2024, 07:24:20 PMAnd corn bread is delicious!
I love me some cornbread. Just make sure there's no corn chunks in it.
Normally I'd agree, but there a Mexican place where I live that has "sweet corn bread" with the chunks in it and it's phenomenal!
Fresh homemade cornbread can be delicious. The kind that you might get served in the USMC is probably terrible.
@Kimarhi Have you ever had military cornbread?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 10:21:39 PMFresh homemade cornbread can be delicious. The kind that you might get served in the USMC is probably terrible.
@Kimarhi Have you ever had military cornbread?
You know what I'm gonna say something controversial about the cornbread.
I like the cornbread without the corn in it
Quote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 27, 2024, 10:17:02 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 27, 2024, 07:26:30 PMQuote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 27, 2024, 07:24:20 PMAnd corn bread is delicious!
I love me some cornbread. Just make sure there's no corn chunks in it.
Normally I'd agree, but there a Mexican place where I live that has "sweet corn bread" with the chunks in it and it's phenomenal!
Manna from heaven!
Got me hungry now.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 10:21:39 PMFresh homemade cornbread can be delicious. The kind that you might get served in the USMC is probably terrible.
@Kimarhi Have you ever had military cornbread?
Yes. But I wouldn't say it is any better or worse than most cornbread. It actually has a sweet aftertaste, which having taste at all is very un military like.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2024, 01:13:36 AMMaybe do that before being unnecessarily obnoxious to people?
The leaden irony...
I don't agree to disagree, so there's no reason not to go straight to obnoxiousness.
You're not carrying it into the other sub-boards. Stop before you start.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 11:39:16 PMGot me hungry now.
I want corn bread bad, but Ripley keeps swatting it to the ground. :D
I wonder how many adult Aliens we will see, we know from the trailer there was multiple huggers.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 30, 2024, 11:49:23 AMI wonder how many adult Aliens we will see, we know from the trailer there was multiple huggers.
Three for the Yautja Kings under the Sky, Seven for the Engineers in their Ships of Stone, Nine for Mortal Men Doomed to Die, and One for the Spacejockey on his Dark Throne.
I bet they even have a cave alien.
There are
Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Spoiler
Xeno against Xeno, battling for the prize.. transcendence.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
Quote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What do you mean ?
Quote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What about frenemies?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 11:47:01 PMQuote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What do you mean ?
I mean if one beastie decides to fight the other beastie. That's close to trash basket for me :laugh:
You're not gonna tell me that's already been confirmed are you :'(
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I would actually like to see a big chap kill a mutant alien and toss it aside. No need to draw it out or anything, just reassert who the king is. ;D
Romulus killed Remus, they are twins, so might be either but I bet one will kill the other.
Whichever insults the "new city" will likely die.
A good movie. That's all I want at this point.
Seems more like you'll get a competently directed but fairly stupid one.
I'll take it, honestly.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 08:50:46 AMSeems more like you'll get a competently directed but fairly stupid one.
I'll take it, honestly.
Mmm. I already got Prometheus and Covenant to fill in that niche.
It's going to be the Prey of the Alien franchise.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:37:00 AMIt's going to be the Prey of the Alien franchise.
Which I enjoyed immensely.
Tho, funnily enough, I don't really watch it now. I always go back to the first Predator. Idk what it is, but Prey doesn't have much rewatch value to me.
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 31, 2024, 09:39:41 AMIdk what it is, but Prey doesn't have much rewatch value to me.
For me it's an incredibly unsatisfying third act. Like it's OK. But I don't feel any sense of success or victory like the end of the original.
Quote from: Highland on Mar 31, 2024, 12:24:15 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 11:47:01 PMQuote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What do you mean ?
I mean if one beastie decides to fight the other beastie. That's close to trash basket for me :laugh:
You're not gonna tell me that's already been confirmed are you :'(
Nothing is confirmed yet regarding that subject.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:37:00 AMIt's going to be the Prey of the Alien franchise.
It's good that ADI isn't here though. :)
I'm sorry! :-X👉👈 (https://s12.gifyu.com/images/SV8OC.gif)
If it's the Prey of the Alien franchise then I'll be very happy.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2024, 11:04:32 AMIf it's the Prey of the Alien franchise then I'll be very happy.
Indeed.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2024, 10:54:50 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:37:00 AMIt's going to be the Prey of the Alien franchise.
It's good that ADI isn't here though. :)
I'm sorry! :-X👉👈 https://s12.gifyu.com/images/SV8OC.gif
Why? what did they do?
Even though I liked it, I do hope it's better than Prey.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 31, 2024, 11:50:36 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2024, 10:54:50 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:37:00 AMIt's going to be the Prey of the Alien franchise.
It's good that ADI isn't here though. :)
I'm sorry! :-X👉👈 https://s12.gifyu.com/images/SV8OC.gif
Why? what did they do?
Just what the filmmakers asked them to do, in their own style though which is not my cup of tea. Just personal taste.
Isn't there one ADI guy working on Romulus ?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2024, 02:55:44 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 31, 2024, 11:50:36 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2024, 10:54:50 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:37:00 AMIt's going to be the Prey of the Alien franchise.
It's good that ADI isn't here though. :)
I'm sorry! :-X👉👈 https://s12.gifyu.com/images/SV8OC.gif
Why? what did they do?
Just what the filmmakers asked them to do, in their own style though which is not my cup of tea. Just personal taste.
All special effects studios have to do what is asked of them, can't really fault them for that.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 31, 2024, 02:58:08 PMIsn't there one ADI guy working on Romulus ?
No idea. :o
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2024, 10:54:50 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:37:00 AMIt's going to be the Prey of the Alien franchise.
It's good that ADI isn't here though. :)
I'm sorry! :-X👉👈 https://s12.gifyu.com/images/SV8OC.gif
You should be >:(
#ADIDidNothingWrong
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2024, 03:13:00 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 31, 2024, 02:58:08 PMIsn't there one ADI guy working on Romulus ?
No idea. :o
Studio Gillis and Legacy Effects both worked together on this film.
I love what they did on alien 3 personally.
They did great work on a lot of films. Today Studio Gillis continues doing great work, like the effects for Prey.
They have a style that carrys over into a lot of their creature design that I don't always like. By mostly they do really solid work. Often times directors don't understand how to shoot practical effects in a way that makes them look real and I think that has screwed them a few times in the past.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 31, 2024, 03:36:21 PMI love what they did on alien 3 personally.
Alien3 has actually become my second favorite of the films. Never thought that would happen. :)
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 11:48:12 PMQuote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What about frenemies?
As long as they are murdering people in extreme ways it'll be fine. I don't want no break in the tension where they get to escape because the Aliens decide to randomly beef with each other for no reason :laugh:
Quote from: Highland on Apr 02, 2024, 02:14:26 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 11:48:12 PMQuote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What about frenemies?
As long as they are murdering people in extreme ways it'll be fine. I don't want no break in the tension where they get to escape because the Aliens decide to randomly beef with each other for no reason :laugh:
Xeno 2 to Xeno 1: Wanna play chess?
:D
Quote from: Highland on Apr 02, 2024, 02:14:26 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 11:48:12 PMQuote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What about frenemies?
As long as they are murdering people in extreme ways it'll be fine. I don't want no break in the tension where they get to escape because the Aliens decide to randomly beef with each other for no reason :laugh:
I'm pretty sure they will. But it would be better if it happened to characters we care about. Covenant had plenty of brutal deaths, but so little developped characters it was not really impactful.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 02, 2024, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: Highland on Apr 02, 2024, 02:14:26 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 11:48:12 PMQuote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What about frenemies?
As long as they are murdering people in extreme ways it'll be fine. I don't want no break in the tension where they get to escape because the Aliens decide to randomly beef with each other for no reason :laugh:
I'm pretty sure they will. But it would be better if it happened to characters we care about. Covenant had plenty of brutal deaths, but so little developped characters it was not really impactful.
Weird thing is with the whole husband and wife thing it could have been crazy uncomfortable, but they didn't really hit that angle at all.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 02, 2024, 01:14:50 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 02, 2024, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: Highland on Apr 02, 2024, 02:14:26 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 11:48:12 PMQuote from: Highland on Mar 30, 2024, 11:45:59 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 05:47:09 PMThere are Spoiler
two confirmed adult xenos as main monsters in the movie, one of them being a new mutant of some sorts. And there is Chap but we're still unsure if he will be used actively or not.
Man I feel this whole movies make or break point will be if these suckers are friends or foe.
Friends - Thumbs up
Foe - 5 AVPRs down
What about frenemies?
As long as they are murdering people in extreme ways it'll be fine. I don't want no break in the tension where they get to escape because the Aliens decide to randomly beef with each other for no reason :laugh:
I'm pretty sure they will. But it would be better if it happened to characters we care about. Covenant had plenty of brutal deaths, but so little developped characters it was not really impactful.
Weird thing is with the whole husband and wife thing it could have been crazy uncomfortable, but they didn't really hit that angle at all.
Exactly. Oram and Karine, Lope and Hallet. It just scratched the surface.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 05:48:31 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 31, 2024, 03:36:21 PMI love what they did on alien 3 personally.
Alien3 has actually become my second favorite of the films. Never thought that would happen. :)
times are changing.
When I first watched it I didn't know what to think of it. Today I just love this film.
A3 has made me a fan of the brand
Quote from: Neila on Apr 02, 2024, 01:44:21 PMA3 has made me a fan of the brand
A certain well known still from A3 was my first glimpse of the Alien and I instantly fell in love.
Was it this?
(https://i.imgur.com/PgaxpL9.jpeg)
::)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 02, 2024, 08:42:59 PMQuote from: Neila on Apr 02, 2024, 01:44:21 PMA3 has made me a fan of the brand
A certain well known still from A3 was my first glimpse of the Alien and I instantly fell in love.
Given Fincher's feelings about the movie, I was very shocked to see a visual nod to that shot in an episode of
Love Death + Robots.
Quote from: Neila on Apr 02, 2024, 01:44:21 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 05:48:31 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 31, 2024, 03:36:21 PMI love what they did on alien 3 personally.
Alien3 has actually become my second favorite of the films. Never thought that would happen. :)
times are changing.
When I first watched it I didn't know what to think of it. Today I just love this film.
A3 has made me a fan of the brand
It to me always has been a good Alien film. I think the Trilogy is perfect, but recently Alien3 has become cathartic, the realization that "your ass is already on the line, what are you gonna do about it?" And while at first I felt the film was about despair and how it is hopless, it actually had hope riddled in it; the Convicts give their lives to stop the Dragon, men who would be written off by society saved it. And Ripley, who sacrifices herself too. The decision to add her transmission from Alien at the end is sublime; that she survived The Nostromo, and Hadley's Hope, but not Fury 161.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 08:55:48 PMGiven Fincher's feelings about the movie, I was very shocked to see a visual nod to that shot in an episode of Love Death + Robots.
I think it's a trope of Fincher's so it's probably one of his favorite shots of the movie. He did something similar in Seven.
(https://i.imgur.com/AIU9piS.jpeg)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 02, 2024, 08:42:59 PMQuote from: Neila on Apr 02, 2024, 01:44:21 PMA3 has made me a fan of the brand
A certain well known still from A3 was my first glimpse of the Alien and I instantly fell in love.
Was it this?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/a8/df/64a8df58441f194304115c0b83b4bdf8.gif)
That shot is so good.
He also basically remade the film, but not as good, and actually nihilistic in theming this time with Bad Travelling.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 07:37:09 AMThat shot is so good.
I think that shot may have been inspired by "Girl's Head beside a Skull" painted by Rex Whistler.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHqtsKLWgAA3-dq?format=jpg&name=large)
Ridley heavily references classical paintings in his films, and Fincher being a close student of Ridley would likely have followed suit.
It sure look like so.
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 03, 2024, 01:14:34 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 07:37:09 AMThat shot is so good.
I think that shot may have been inspired by "Girl's Head beside a Skull" painted by Rex Whistler.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHqtsKLWgAA3-dq?format=jpg&name=large
Ridley heavily references classical paintings in his films, and Fincher being a close student of Ridley would likely have followed suit.
Nice catch! It does indeed look like an inspiration for the scene.
I remember Ridley Scott referenced a Henry Fuseli painting in Covenant when the neomorph is eating the girl's body before Oram kills it.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 07:39:15 PMI remember Ridley Scott referenced a Henry Fuseli painting in Covenant when the neomorph is eating the girl's body before Oram kills it.
The Neomorph in David's lab and the one eating reminded me of Sir Francis Bacon's paintings:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xLy5LshkjPE/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 03, 2024, 08:12:52 PMThe Neomorph in David's lab and the one eating reminded me of Sir Francis Bacon's paintings:
I actually think Bacon's triptychs are mentioned in the
Covenant novelization.
EDIT: Yep, there's one in the White Room with Peter Weyland and David!
Blake's The Ghost of a Flea is also surprisingly familiar. He even has the cup.
Maybe other paintings will be referenced in Romulus, although I suspect it's less Alvarez's thing.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 08:27:05 PMMaybe other paintings will be referenced in Romulus, although I suspect it's less Alvarez's thing.
Less art, more "arrrrrrrgh!"
Giger was also inspired by Bacon's triptych, which is most apparent in his original chest burster designs.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 07:39:15 PMI remember Ridley Scott referenced a Henry Fuseli painting in Covenant when the neomorph is eating the girl's body before Oram kills it.
Most people on here probably know this by now, but an Arnold Böcklin painting called Isle of the Dead also made it into Covenant. Böcklin actually created several variations of this painting:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENSrhwxWwAA90Zy?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_III_%28Alte_Nationalgalerie%2C_Berlin%29.jpg/800px-Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_III_%28Alte_Nationalgalerie%2C_Berlin%29.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_I_%28Basel%2C_Kunstmuseum%29.jpg/800px-Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_I_%28Basel%2C_Kunstmuseum%29.jpg)
Several other artists later painted homages of this work including fellow Swiss artist, HR Giger:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh28IpDQgs05H2xJLcS3qSLjg57CJTyn8aLJDELicBIkxxr8dqPBZMdBu-RLGMpF9MnZfMPw6us2-s2r-TfAraFEygdz9XZJFau5yhi-MZDAgCRf52GP14xZ8bgI6Z5T1Xc2E-t0xRrBqJe/s280/350.jpg)
The recreation of the painting in Covenant is of course more closely based on the Böcklin version since that work is now in the public domain while Giger's version isn't.
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 04, 2024, 09:57:52 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 07:39:15 PMI remember Ridley Scott referenced a Henry Fuseli painting in Covenant when the neomorph is eating the girl's body before Oram kills it.
Most people on here probably know this by now, but an Arnold Böcklin painting called Isle of the Dead also made it into Covenant. Böcklin actually created several variations of this painting:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENSrhwxWwAA90Zy?format=jpg&name=large
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_III_%28Alte_Nationalgalerie%2C_Berlin%29.jpg/800px-Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_III_%28Alte_Nationalgalerie%2C_Berlin%29.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_I_%28Basel%2C_Kunstmuseum%29.jpg/800px-Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_I_%28Basel%2C_Kunstmuseum%29.jpg
Several other artists later painted homages of this work including fellow Swiss artist, HR Giger:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh28IpDQgs05H2xJLcS3qSLjg57CJTyn8aLJDELicBIkxxr8dqPBZMdBu-RLGMpF9MnZfMPw6us2-s2r-TfAraFEygdz9XZJFau5yhi-MZDAgCRf52GP14xZ8bgI6Z5T1Xc2E-t0xRrBqJe/s280/350.jpg
The recreation of the painting in Covenant is of course more closely based on the Böcklin version since that work is now in the public domain while Giger's version isn't.
I would be very happy if they did it again.. with the Giger aesthetic.
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/tumblr_ov0t1rpwf51wvt8q5o1_540.jpg)
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/tumblr_ov0t1rpwf51wvt8q5o2_540.png)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 10:34:47 AMhttps://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/tumblr_ov0t1rpwf51wvt8q5o1_540.jpghttps://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/tumblr_ov0t1rpwf51wvt8q5o2_540.png
Nice find. Ophelia by John Everett Millais.
Was referenced in Excalibur as well. Lady of the Lake.
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 04, 2024, 10:46:39 AMWas referenced in Excalibur as well. Lady of the Lake.
Love Boorman's
Excalibur so much. Been in the mood to revisit lately.
Boasts some really incredible cinematography from Alex Thomson, who also shot Ridley Scott's
Legend... a movie that I find would make for an incredible double feature with
Alien: Covenant. But that's a rambling rant for another time. :laugh:
You have to alter the lighting in the image to see it as it is quite dark, but there is a reference to a painting by William Blake on the door of the Engineers Cathedral; two tall Virgin Mary-like figures.
(https://i.ibb.co/pZ5dZ4k/Screenshot-20240404-082116-Instagram.jpg)
It's more detailed in this concept art by Wayne Haag.
(https://i.ibb.co/dMhWs4Q/wayne-haag-haag-dome-enterance-3.jpg)
'The Body of Christ Borne to the Tomb' is the name of the painting.
(https://i.ibb.co/tzrRY6N/William-Blake-1757-1827-The-Body-of-Christ-Borne-to-the-Tomb-N01164-National-Gallery.jpg)
I heard Scott was fond of paintings, but damn that's a lot of references.
(https://byronsmuse.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1790-91.-henry-fuseli-the-nightmare.jpg)
(https://www.scified.com/u/alien-covenant-08.jpg)
(https://fathersonholygore.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/screen-shot-2018-01-21-at-1-46-31-pm.png)
"Breathe on the nostrils of a horse and..."
https://www.tumblr.com/gothic-fiction-in-space/165848216463/the-nightmare-the-scene-with-the-neomorph
God, Covenant is so cool.
Yes that's the one. It's pretty creepy.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 07:39:15 PMI remember Ridley Scott referenced a Henry Fuseli painting in Covenant when the neomorph is eating the girl's body before Oram kills it.
The way Rosenthal's detached head spins in a fountain of blood is in itself very Gothic and poetic.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 04, 2024, 02:50:34 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 07:39:15 PMI remember Ridley Scott referenced a Henry Fuseli painting in Covenant when the neomorph is eating the girl's body before Oram kills it.
The way Rosenthal's detached head spins in a fountain of blood is in itself very Gothic and poetic.
The only problem I had with that shot is that it's used numerous times and become a bit comical because of the repetition.
I wonder if there is this kind of symbolism & mythology in ℜ𝔬𝔪𝔲𝔩𝔲𝔰?
👁🍁👁👉👈
Possible but maybe with another form.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 05:43:06 PMI wonder if there is this kind of symbolism & mythology in ℜ𝔬𝔪𝔲𝔩𝔲𝔰?
👁🍁👁👉👈
The Romulus/Remus interplay already seems to be planting some seeds there. I definitely don't expect Fede to approach it quite the same way Ridley does, and I think it'll be more on the peripheral/subtext rather than part of the forefront text like in the prequels, but I do fully expect to see a few embodiments of that particular myth take form in
Romulus.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 06:41:40 PMThe Romulus/Remus interplay already seems to be planting some seeds there. I definitely don't expect Fede to approach it quite the same way Ridley does, and I think it'll be more on the peripheral/subtext rather than part of the forefront text like in the prequels, but I do fully expect to see a few embodiments of that particular myth take form in Romulus.
When you look at that shot of the lab hatch, what's interesting is that the twins are placed in such a way, that when the hatch opens, they are "torn apart" which mirrors the schism that develops between them in the myth.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKJEkz8XQAAaelW?format=jpg&name=900x900)
This shot is also reminiscent of Brett entering the landing gear bay.
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVsSz_qEYBeSHgub4D3P_NMbrAYM9uW6EllJKMjNm6G58LeyfBa7FHQOykDmRvVRBzcI77DEz5sD5iBqN-KAO7CP2BFBCHLbAKRt_Pnd0XzsURvArNLcf4KNcXaec0va8Rg-QlTKJcLEc/s1600/garage1.jpg)
Here we have Tuthankamen's temple/treasure chamber with bas relief Egyptian "hieroglyphics" set into the doors made from pipes and other technological bits and pieces.
As someone on here speculated, perhaps some kind of schism develops between the Remus and Romulus modules of the station. Perhaps the scientists from Romulus decides to kill those in Remus? Like Romulus did to his brother in the myth.
Is it me or does the wolf not look that much like a wolf ?
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 04, 2024, 07:12:39 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 06:41:40 PMThe Romulus/Remus interplay already seems to be planting some seeds there. I definitely don't expect Fede to approach it quite the same way Ridley does, and I think it'll be more on the peripheral/subtext rather than part of the forefront text like in the prequels, but I do fully expect to see a few embodiments of that particular myth take form in Romulus.
When you look at that shot of the lab hatch, what's interesting is that the twins are placed in such a way, that when the hatch opens, they are "torn apart" which mirrors the schism that develops between them in the myth.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKJEkz8XQAAaelW?format=jpg&name=900x900
This shot is also reminiscent of Brett entering the landing gear bay.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVsSz_qEYBeSHgub4D3P_NMbrAYM9uW6EllJKMjNm6G58LeyfBa7FHQOykDmRvVRBzcI77DEz5sD5iBqN-KAO7CP2BFBCHLbAKRt_Pnd0XzsURvArNLcf4KNcXaec0va8Rg-QlTKJcLEc/s1600/garage1.jpg
Here we have Tuthankamen's temple/treasure chamber with bas relief Egyptian "hieroglyphics" set into the doors made from pipes and other technological bits and pieces.
As someone on here speculated, perhaps some kind of schism develops between the Remus and Romulus modules of the station. Perhaps the scientists from Romulus decides to kill those in Remus? Like Romulus did to his brother in the myth.
Maybe
ℜ𝔬𝔪𝔲𝔩𝔲𝔰 establishes the Alien at the level of Lucifer.
(https://i.ibb.co/mSMd5Sh/Screenshot-20240404-165147-Instagram.jpg)
The Engineers are some bastard freak weirdos who found the pilots' technology.
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And in that biomechanical world was the Shoggoth of the pilots; the truly ancient Xenomorph.
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The Mala'kaks are three-dimensional medium angels and silico-based life forms.
They don't have legs and their technology can manipulate objects at a quantum level, generating exotic biochemical symbioses with non-living matter, such as metal structures.
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The black pathogen is the weaponization of the Alien by the Engineers...In this civilization there was a subspecies / culture... who liked to modify their biology through genetic experimentation with black goo.
But how does the Alien really fit into the Romulus & Reno🏹🏛?
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Believe it or not, there is in-universe conjecture that the Engineers possibly based their technology on a higher race, a species that actually has the biology reflected in the Engineers' helmets and architecture.
If Romulus has a Queen, I will shit bricks of solid unobtanium.
I think it's pretty unlikely.
Probably, but one can dream!
Hawley will put a Queen in the basement of Prodigy's headquarters, right across the hall from the Cross that the Jesus Enginner was nailed to.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 04, 2024, 08:19:16 PMBelieve it or not, there is in-universe conjecture that the Engineers possibly based their technology on a higher race, a species that actually has the biology reflected in the Engineers' helmets and architecture.
In-universe conjecture in the movies?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 08:27:05 PMMaybe other paintings will be referenced in Romulus, although I suspect it's less Alvarez's thing.
He may include it since its a tradition in the mythos.
It's less tradition and more what particular directors like doing.
Quote from: Eal on Apr 05, 2024, 02:08:33 AMIn-universe conjecture in the movies?
No, the RPG.
It's canon for the moment!
Quote from: Komenja on Apr 04, 2024, 09:08:30 PMIf Romulus has a Queen, I will shit bricks of solid unobtanium.
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Same here!
I don't know why.. but now I want to see an army of Aliens being led by David himself.
I still want to see David in a JCB Fastrac (https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/agri-and-plant-machinery-giant-makes-it-big-in-the-movies/).
Want to see practical effects and non-stupid characters.
Quote from: Wweyland on Apr 14, 2024, 08:56:25 AMWant to see practical effects and non-stupid characters.
A good, intense movie.
A movie so good that it unites the fan base and nobody ever has to post to argue or speculate on the forum ever again
Quote from: David Weyland on Apr 15, 2024, 06:50:52 AMA movie so good that it unites the fan base and nobody ever has to post to argue or speculate on the forum ever again
I think it's fair to say that there is a LOT riding on
Romulus. A WHOLE LOT.
Where would be the fun if we unite ?
My fear is the film will give everything fans want but ultimately will be nothing new. Its characters and story will need to stand pretty strong on its own merits so it doesn't fall into the "ho-hum" category. I mean, I'm not expecting it to rival the Oscar caliber of the first two movies, but I think it's definitely gotta bring something pretty strong to the table.
New doesn't always mean good. But from what I read and heard, there's definitely "new" stuff here.
Quote from: PsyKore on Apr 19, 2024, 09:10:32 AMMy fear is the film will give everything fans want but ultimately will be nothing new. Its characters and story will need to stand pretty strong on its own merits so it doesn't fall into the "ho-hum" category. I mean, I'm not expecting it to rival the Oscar caliber of the first two movies, but I think it's definitely gotta bring something pretty strong to the table.
Whilst I agree, I think one of the reasons the franchise stumbled was because of the obsession to provide something new. I think a back to basics approach will work for Romulus but it is certainly a one shot deal. If Romulus does well where do they go from here for future theatrical releases?
But I totally see where you are coming from. Even though I marvel at the production design of what we have seen so far, I keep thinking of why Renny Harlin walked away from Alien 3 because it was all a rehash of guns, corridors and bulkheads.
As said I'm predicting it'll be the Prey of the franchise.
So it'll be overall good, but kinda forgettable ?
Or it'll be a hit and the reactions will be overall very positive. However some will hate it and others will find it meh.
I just hope it has lore. We need lore!
I think Prey is a good enjoyable movie, just not great. And lore diving is cool, but risky depending on what they do. We already have intel that says they are playing with it a bit, and it's... not going to please everyone to say the least.
The timeline placement already makes it problematic. The main sub-plot of the whole trilogy is the company trying to acquire the Alien and now they've seemingly had it all along...
I'm really curious to see how they will handle that. Carefully curious.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 19, 2024, 01:17:47 PMI just hope it has lore. We need lore!
and if it is successful enough to have a last prequel lore made by RS no less
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Quote from: TheBATMAN on Apr 19, 2024, 01:54:18 PMThe timeline placement already makes it problematic. The main sub-plot of the whole trilogy is the company trying to acquire the Alien and now they've seemingly had it all along...
And it risks saturating the series overall if Ripley's horrific but isolated experience that occurred over the first three films was something that has been happening all over the place for decades.
Big Chap. That connective tissue to the original film is super cool.
Quote from: Huntsman on Apr 20, 2024, 08:27:19 AMBig Chap. That connective tissue to the original film is super cool.
Or is it a pointless cameo? Time will tell.
If the film is good it helps legitimise its place in the canon.
Honestly, everything we've heard about it so far, is something I've very interested in. It sounds like a reconciliation of the prequel and main lore in a way that sounds very fascinating to me. I just hope it's all executed well.
Quote from: Huntsman on Apr 20, 2024, 10:11:52 AMIf the film is good it helps legitimise its place in the canon.
There hasn't been a bad
Alien film yet.
So, definitely.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2024, 11:35:59 AMHonestly, everything we've heard about it so far, is something I've very interested in. It sounds like a reconciliation of the prequel and main lore in a way that sounds very fascinating to me. I just hope it's all executed well.
Playing off of that reconciliation, I fully and absolutely believe we're getting closer and closer to "eggmorphing" to becoming canonized within the films.
Ridley has already reinstated SO many unused concepts from the first film into the prequels that it just has to happen at this point. If
Spoiler
WY can extract the accelerant from the Alien in Romulus to literally create more Aliens,
surely the Alien can utilize the goo within its own body to propagate in cases where a Queen just isn't a viable option.
Covenant's Alien didn't have this ability as David hadn't introduced the yet-to-be-seen biomech elements into its morphology. The addition in Big Chap of the thin tubes running from its body directly into the back of its jaw will give it the ability to deploy a black goo mixture from within its mouth. The goo is mixed with saliva to create the hardened resin to cocoon the victim in place and the black goo then activates upon contact of biological material, breaking down the host cells and reconstituting them. Eggmorphing - just like Brett and Dallas in the infamous deleted scene.
The hive walls Aliens make are often described as being "alive". The juggernaut, dreadnaught, and derelict ships are also "alive". Made from the accelerant ;D
I really do not want everything to be made of the Pathogen, the Pathogen makes Aliens through Facehuggers and Alien like things without biomechanical aspects just by itself. That's more than enough, it's just getting ridiculous if the Engineers also use it to grow technology and augment themselves.
I have no issue with them doing that on principle, but just leave the Eitr, or Pathogen, or Accelerant out of it.
Quote from: GrimmVision on Apr 20, 2024, 06:41:29 PMCovenant's Alien didn't have this ability
David's Praetomorph actually is capable of Ovomorphing its victims.
QuoteThere hasn't been a bad Alien film yet.
So, definitely.
I'm not sure about that. The audience that isn't fascinated with the films like we are tend to not like Alien 3 and Alien R, I've heard mixed about Alien Covenant. Or at the very least find them as poor films overall
There are definitely some bad movies in the series.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 20, 2024, 07:22:54 PMI really do not want everything to be made of the Pathogen, the Pathogen makes Aliens through Facehuggers and Alien like things without biomechanical aspects just by itself. That's more than enough, it's just getting ridiculous if the Engineers also use it to grow technology and augment themselves.
I have no issue with them doing that on principle, but just leave the Eitr, or Pathogen, or Accelerant out of it.
I agree to an extant. As die-hards for this franchise, we don't necessarily need to have these things explained to us verbatim. However, for those that aren't going to sit and watch hours of YouTube lore videos or go back and forth with one another on internet fan forums, I don't think it could hurt to have a little more clarity. I think a reason the general public has such an issue with Prometheus and Covenant is because the films already don't explain enough. A lot is implied through subtext and ancient myths that the GP just isn't privy to. So to do homework in addition to the movie can be alienating - no pun intended. Sometimes it's hard to understand motivations or decisions in the movies, but it's all there if you dig for it.
The Accelerant is the Engineers' equivalent of our fire. They stole it from their gods. It isn't their own technology as the ship at the beginning of Prometheus and the architecture of the city on Planet IV both prove that.
Just as we use our own stolen fire in the production of everything from weapons, city infrastructure, housing, to travel, and in the Alien Universe, the creation of androids - the Engineers use the Accelerant as an essential ingredient to further their own civilization(s). Chaotic just like fire, the Engineers don't dare bring its raw form anywhere near to the places in which their peoples live and prosper. It'd spell disaster. The LV-223 test site and dropping the payload on Planet IV are indicative of that.
I think the point is the Engineers
do use the pathogen for many things including weaponry, interstellar travel, and genetic/bioengineering. If you think about it, fire is pretty magickal. The Accelerant? Even more so!
With all of that, there's no doubt in my mind that the added biomechoind influences are bound to be a major part of the third prequel, if we ever get it. David tested out his creation in Covenant's third act and it failed. He was visibly disappointed when it failed to kill Danny and T. It wasn't perfect as he claimed talking to Walter. Not yet.
I get what you mean by not wanting to see the Accelerant any further, but I just don't think we can logically get from Covenant to Alien without its continued implementation.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 20, 2024, 07:24:35 PMQuote from: GrimmVision on Apr 20, 2024, 06:41:29 PMCovenant's Alien didn't have this ability
David's Praetomorph actually is capable of Ovomorphing its victims.
Where is this stated?
The movies don't prove the Engineers took the accelerant from elsewhere. The ship at the beginning of Prometheus belongs to the Engineers, not some other race.
Indeed, and it is only shown to be death in the narrative even stated as much in dialogue by Elizabeth Shaw, I just suggest, even insist, it stays that way.
f**king accelerant stuff >:(
Sometimes, I feel like the only person on the planet that has never lost any sleep over the accelerant/black goo.
The sense of calm I feel as I watch it do any and everything is intoxicating. Squid babies and zombies are cool.
In fact, I'm so unaffected by the pathogens inclusion in the franchise, that if Romulus makes zero mention of it, i will continue to sleep soundly.
My apathy is both a blessing and a curse.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2024, 11:36:29 PMThe movies don't prove the Engineers took the accelerant from elsewhere. The ship at the beginning of Prometheus belongs to the Engineers, not some other race.
Right, the films don't explicitly say where the Engineers got the Accelerant from. They just
had it.
But what is the purpose of naming the movie
'PROMETHEUS' and having that myth be the central driving point if not to say that this is a repeating cycle of similar stories that sit atop one another where a forbidden technology is stolen by those who don't understand its power and things go awry because they can't control it. Janek echoes this same sentiment in the deleted scene with Vickers in her room after she kills Holloway.
It's to say "Hey, this has happened before with the Engineers stealing the Accelerent from their gods and it got out of control" without actually
going there in the prequels. It's to say "Hey, humans stole fire from the gods and it got out of control." It's to say "Hey, David will continue this cycle in Covenant and he'll lose control." So on and so forth. And the cycle will continue to repeat just like the Eagle ripping out Prometheus' liver day after day, year after year, forever.
If the writers didn't want us to actually think about where the Engineers obtained the Accelerant, why bring up their gods at all? "And who made them?" That's not a throw away line, no way. That's why I brought up the ship in the beginning of Prometheus. That ship, the city's architecture on Planet IV, and the outpost on LV-223 are all seemingly Greco-Roman inspired with very clean shapes and lines, devoid of biomechanical design. Heck, even the Engineers themselves are Greek-statue inspired.
The Accelerant changed everything once the Engineers got their hands on it. This thing, this magickal fire that has a biomechanical predisposition.. They would end up using it for interstellar travel, for war, for bioweapons, and to genetically modify/enhance their very own physical bodies. They had murals of what the Accelerant could achieve. And the very out of place biomechanical scorpion tail docking station floating above the Engineer city... It all just screams that this wasn't their technology.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 21, 2024, 12:02:50 AMIndeed, and it is only shown to be death in the narrative even stated as much in dialogue by Elizabeth Shaw, I just suggest, even insist, it stays that way.
The Accelerant, in the form of the steatite ampules within a war ship is indeed "death", as Shaw puts it. It was fashioned to be such for that specific implementation. But implemented into other studies, tests, and experiments, it opens itself up to be so much more. Again, I don't actually think we need to see the "So much more" of it all on screen. We can come to the conclusions of what that means with what we've already been given.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2024, 02:06:37 AMf**king accelerant stuff >:(
It's all in good fun :P
Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 21, 2024, 04:58:42 AMSometimes, I feel like the only person on the planet that has never lost any sleep over the accelerant/black goo.
The sense of calm I feel as I watch it do any and everything is intoxicating. Squid babies and zombies are cool.
In fact, I'm so unaffected by the pathogens inclusion in the franchise, that if Romulus makes zero mention of it, i will continue to sleep soundly.
My apathy is both a blessing and a curse.
I just love the Accelerant so much. :laugh:
Quote from: GrimmVision on Apr 21, 2024, 05:17:48 AMBut what is the purpose of naming the movie 'PROMETHEUS' and having that myth be the central driving point if not to say that this is a repeating cycle of similar stories that sit atop one another where a forbidden technology is stolen by those who don't understand its power and things go awry because they can't control it.
It's not so subtle. The ship itself is called
Prometheus. The Engineers are the gods. We're trying to steal their fire and getting punished for it. There's no need for it to be a cyclical process.
If only the film was so clever.
Quote from: GrimmVision on Apr 20, 2024, 11:05:03 PMWhere is this stated?
The RPG. The Praetomorph Stalker has the same attacks as the Xenomorph Drone, including "Capture for the Hive" and the Ovomorphing ability.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2024, 10:54:13 PMThere are definitely some bad movies in the series.
The AvP films don't count.
Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 21, 2024, 04:58:42 AMSometimes, I feel like the only person on the planet that has never lost any sleep over the accelerant/black goo.
The sense of calm I feel as I watch it do any and everything is intoxicating. Squid babies and zombies are cool.
In fact, I'm so unaffected by the pathogens inclusion in the franchise, that if Romulus makes zero mention of it, i will continue to sleep soundly.
My apathy is both a blessing and a curse.
Damon Lindelof has been secretly posting here all this time!
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2024, 08:56:21 AMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 21, 2024, 08:44:30 AMThe AvP films don't count.
Alien 3 does though.
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Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 21, 2024, 04:58:42 AMSometimes, I feel like the only person on the planet that has never lost any sleep over the accelerant/black goo.
The sense of calm I feel as I watch it do any and everything is intoxicating. Squid babies and zombies are cool.
In fact, I'm so unaffected by the pathogens inclusion in the franchise, that if Romulus makes zero mention of it, i will continue to sleep soundly.
My apathy is both a blessing and a curse.
I have to confess - I don't hate Black Goo either. I kinda like how unpredictable it is (even tho I realise it might be just lazy writing) - that's what makes it ... alien for me
The goo can create something fun and cool etc, but it mostly makes zero sense.
I don't think it is unpredictable. I think it makes perfect sense. It's a violent alien pathogen designed to destroy.
My evidence is thus...
1. Little worm thing wiggles in black goo and turns into giant worm thing that breaks arms, bleeds acid and rams itself down some guys throat.
Seems legit.
2. Man is infected and starts having wiggly worm things come out of his eyes. Also got alien sperm now, makes sense, the goo is altering his DNA. He impregnates his girlfriend, she has alien squid thing, it's aggressive and turns into basically a giant face hugger and we all know what one of them is. When giant squid face hugger does its job description, it creates a more alien looking alien that we can all vaguely recognise. Both the deacon and neomorph are similar enough, so there is a continuity there.
So far so good.
3. Liquid pathogen can also turn into spore pathogen. Sure, why not, the franchise is called ALIEN after all.
4. Now here is where the road splits in two a little bit. Fifield Alien would have been better than fifield zombie in my humble opinion. It would have made a bit more sense in the continuity of things. However, Sean Harris is such a good actor in everything I've seen him in and I can see why they maybe went with his performance. And I too, also love rocks.
Therefore I give it a pass.
Pathogen, egg morphing (my personal favorite) or queen laying eggs. My inner peace knows no bounds.
Quote from: irn on Apr 21, 2024, 09:13:35 AMQuote from: TheDerelict on Apr 21, 2024, 04:58:42 AMSometimes, I feel like the only person on the planet that has never lost any sleep over the accelerant/black goo.
The sense of calm I feel as I watch it do any and everything is intoxicating. Squid babies and zombies are cool.
In fact, I'm so unaffected by the pathogens inclusion in the franchise, that if Romulus makes zero mention of it, i will continue to sleep soundly.
My apathy is both a blessing and a curse.
Damon Lindelof has been secretly posting here all this time!
And here is the curse in the aforementioned apathy, vicious name calling.
Take it back damn you. 😄
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2024, 10:24:10 AMThe goo can create something fun and cool etc, but it mostly makes zero sense.
It makes perfect sense to me. It's a radical AI operating on an algorithm derived from evolutionary computing, which means the results of exposure are highly unpredictable.
I like the summary given by the RPG - basically, anyone infected will either die horribly, give birth to monsters, or become a monster themselves
*cough*
....scripts.....
The problem is that it doesn't make any sense unless a 3rd party source makes up a ton of BS.
If you only watch the actual films, like normal people do, then it doesn't make sense.
If you need supplemental material to try and make sense of your story then it's an issue.
I can't blame anyone for thinking it's bad. If their first exposure's one of the most barely characterised inmates Frank- boredly speaking exposition directly into the camera that then immediately gets repeated with flyby computer overlays, a fake looking mannequin of a dead character, and a totally tonally inconsistent awful attempt at a jumpscare.
It's a crime that "well what are you waiting for?" was excised from it as well, alas it is what it is,
...or you could watch the Special Edition instead.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 21, 2024, 11:09:36 AMI can't blame anyone for thinking Alien³'s bad. If their first exposure's one of the most barely characterised inmates Frank- boredly speaking exposition directly into the camera that then immediately gets repeated with flyby computer overlays, a fake looking mannequin of a dead character, and a totally tonally inconsistent awful attempt at a jumpscare.
It's a crime that "well what are you waiting for?" was excised from it as well, alas it is what it is,
...or you could watch the Special Edition instead.
It's been so long I haven't watch the theatrical cut, I almost forgot all of that.
I tried watching the 35mm that I found floating about, and although I appreciate the effort, I only made it as far as Spike biting it before just dropping out.
That opening, it really had me going "Holy shit this is so bad" genuinely.
I had not touched the theatrical version for many years and thought it might be fine to give it another go but no way, the Special Edition or some variation of it must be on the eventual Official 4K Alien³ Blu-ray release, otherwise I am just not interested. I will just stick to the already pretty good Blu-ray release, much like the most recent Aliens, hope this does not become a repeating pattern.
I'm probably one of the few that prefers the TC. Honestly prefer the TC of all the films.
That opening's just so hilariously inept it's not like sombre, it is just ugh...
Much like "what kind of monster would do this to a dog" (looks pretty much directly into the camera lens) it is just so f**king dumb and simultaneously unconvincing, takes me out of it completely.
Whereas starting Ripley and Clemens relationship with him being the one to rescue her involves me in that association immediately, it is not even a contest, even if the back half of the film goes on a bit.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 21, 2024, 11:07:29 AMThe problem is that it doesn't make any sense unless a 3rd party source makes up a ton of BS.
If you only watch the actual films, like normal people do, then it doesn't make sense.
If you need supplemental material to try and make sense of your story then it's an issue.
fair point. just believe a lot of people simply don t know how things were dumbed down
DELIBERATELY.
ala lost. there never was an answer from the start.
simple as that. writer s are constantly advised not to explain thing s how the alien works sees thinks etc.
if newbies(to the prequels) read the scripts for prometheus they will eventually go:
damon lindelof you %$##$%^^&&......
i should have known!! sacre blue!!
Quote from: oduodu on Apr 21, 2024, 01:51:48 PMsacre blue!!
You're mixing languages there. It's either "sacre bleu!" or "sacred blue!"
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 21, 2024, 10:38:04 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2024, 10:24:10 AMThe goo can create something fun and cool etc, but it mostly makes zero sense.
It makes perfect sense to me. It's a radical AI operating on an algorithm derived from evolutionary computing, which means the results of exposure are highly unpredictable.
I like the summary given by the RPG - basically, anyone infected will either die horribly, give birth to monsters, or become a monster themselves
Maybe it's like a machine learning algorithm...ala AI art🫢
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 21, 2024, 02:04:55 PMMaybe it's like a machine learning algorithm...ala AI art🫢
Or this, maybe.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 21, 2024, 01:32:05 PMI tried watching the 35mm that I found floating about, and although I appreciate the effort, I only made it as far as Spike biting it before just dropping out.
That opening, it really had me going "Holy shit this is so bad" genuinely.
I had not touched the theatrical version for many years and thought it might be fine to give it another go but no way, the Special Edition or some variation of it must be on the eventual Official 4K Alien³ Blu-ray release, otherwise I am just not interested. I will just stick to the already pretty good Blu-ray release, much like the most recent Aliens, hope this does not become a repeating pattern.
Amen, sister
I remember once watching TC on local TV. After AC it felt as a really cut down version The one choppy edit that particularly stood out for me was when Dillon activates the sprinklers and then immediately we see him kneeling before a body of a dead inmate (Arthur, who got his throat slashed by Golic). Like, I know there's something in between and that something was good
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 21, 2024, 02:10:44 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 21, 2024, 02:04:55 PMMaybe it's like a machine learning algorithm...ala AI art🫢
Or this, maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEkKWXCcR4
I'd just keep the dog chestburster over the ox one, and stick with the special edition for everything else.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 21, 2024, 01:33:37 PMI'm probably one of the few that prefers the TC. Honestly prefer the TC of all the films.
I'm with you on that one.
There's too much bloat in the special edition. An ideal cut exists somewhere between.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2024, 04:04:47 PMI'd just keep the dog chestburster over the ox one, and stick with the special edition for everything else.
I find the way Ripley falls into the furnace not as good as the TC versions though.
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 21, 2024, 02:29:25 PMI remember once watching TC on local TV. After AC it felt as a really cut down version
I don't care what SM thinks on the matter
>:(
And yeah the foot you start with matters, especially with character relationships in the narrative itself, nothing the theatrical version does right can undo that wrong. The Special Edition might hypothetically be over three hours long and I still believe that better first act makes all the difference.
That and strange obvious splices like Dillon saying "that makes it twenty" or something like that totally uncharacteristically, Golic disappearing after spending time characterising him, and in other places some of the best dialogue being totally excised.
Alien3 was my second favourite film when I first saw it on VHS. The Special Edition solidified that a lot when it came out later.
Then the more time went on the more the cracks got worse and worse and I realised I actually just find it boring more than anything these days.
I still like the mood and the acting and all the rest of it, but as a story it's just unnecessarily dull to get going.
I think it'a massive improvement really. I never get bored with it. Even though it remains the weakest of the trilogy, it's the one I find myself revisiting the most.
Literally any of the other movies are more watchable to me.
Certainly hope I never fall out of love with anything so hard.
I still like it and rank it third rather than second. But I can still acknowledge I find the first half boring.
I find Alien Resurrection more watchable than the first trilogy, doesn't mean I think it's better. It just moves quicker.
Resurrection is very entertaining.
There's always something going on.
And it has visually striking scenes, plus a few neat ideas.
I've always adored Alien 3 since its initial release. Before the Assembly Cut, the only extended version available was the workprint, which I watched extensively alongside the theatrical release. Despite its flaws, I still have a deep affection for the film. Learning about its production issues and behind-the-scenes details only heightened my fascination with how each Alien film was made. Alien and Alien 3, in particular, sparked my interest in deleted footage.
I cherish all three films equally and find it challenging to pick a favorite. I was absolutely thrilled when news of the Alien 3 Assembly Cut first broke and details about this version began surfacing online. I usually watch both the Theatrical and Extended cuts of all three films, but it was the Theatrical versions that initially captivated me and turned me into a fan.
Regarding Alien Romulus, I'm uncertain. I haven't desired another film since Alien 3, and both Prometheus and Covenant left me disappointed, leaving me unsure of what I'd like to see. I only hope that I'll find enjoyment in the film and will withhold any doubts until I've actually seen it :)
I think it will be scary, but first and foremost I want good acting and good dialogue again, if absolutely nothing else.
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Yes please, and interesting characters and relationships, impactful deaths.
Going back to the original timeline era and avoiding David content will improve how people feel about things overall I think. Going back to basics.
Quote from: Huntsman on Apr 26, 2024, 12:22:29 PMGoing back to the original timeline era and avoiding David content will improve how people feel about things overall I think. Going back to basics.
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Problem with Alien 3 is that it should have been Alien 4 :laugh:
The problem is Alien 4 decided to keep Ripley and abandoned the timeline people were invested in.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 10, 2018, 12:10:30 AMAt least Alien 3 left all the worldbuilding intact...then Alien Resurrection flushed it all down the toilet.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 10, 2018, 12:10:30 AMAt least Alien 3 left all the worldbuilding intact...then Alien Resurrection flushed it all down the toilet.
When I finally saw the deleted scene where the scientist explains to Ripley that Weyland-Yutani was bought out by Walmart, I immediately dismissed the film as some weird fever dream of Morse after the events of Alien 3.
Now years later I'm starting to warm up to Resurrection again and I am head-canoning that the scientist was just f**king with Ripley and spewing non-sense.
That Walmart line was horrible.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 29, 2024, 02:13:59 PMThat Walmart line was horrible.
It certainly felt like a throwaway Whedonism.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 29, 2024, 02:13:59 PMThat Walmart line was horrible.
The Walmart line is from the extended cut it think. I don't have any problem with that
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2024, 03:50:47 AMThe problem is Alien 4 decided to keep Ripley and abandoned the timeline people were invested in.
Alien 3 should have been Hicks, then A3 (actually A4) could have finished it nicely.
I like Beihn but I feel Hicks was done as a character by the end of Aliens. He didn't even survive the treatment and he's functionally dead in the last act anyway.
Could have killed him/made him dead, but not Newt, at least not yet. Ripley literally goes from one movie to the next with no break. I like A3, just don't like that it comes after 2, but thats a lot of folk.
Well, there's always the prequels - and Romulus! - if you feel that the main films are too Ripley-heavy.
Hopefully the main in Romulus steps away just enough from Ripley to be her own thing.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 30, 2024, 08:15:30 AMWell, there's always the prequels - and Romulus! - if you feel that the main films are too Ripley-heavy.
nah I like Ripley a lot and I like A3 a lot, I just don't think its a good sequel to Aliens in the "trilogy"