There’s a new interview with music composer, Brian Tyler, on MusicFromTheMovies.com. It’s mostly about the psychological horror film Bug but there’s a couple of things about AvP2 right at the end:
MFTM: You're now working on Alien vs. Predator 2. What are your impressions of the kind of music needed for AVP2?
Brian Tyler: It is going to be wild wild crazy wild! I really want to bring the world of Alien and Predator together musically. There will be references to the tradition of those classic scores. The music of the Predator is more organized and methodical while the Alien music is certainly extreme and frighteningly primal. The score will be purely orchestral.
MFTM: Will you be using actual musical motifs from Alien and Predator or using music in the style of those films?
Brian Tyler: There will be some homage's to the music of the earlier films in there. But mostly it will be conceptually bringing the two musical worlds together. One thing I can say for sure, it is going to be big!
Thanks to John Chambers for the news.
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they have to have the original predator theme in there somewhere! I love that music, with the samba drums and all! It'd be cool if the original Alien music (title shot) was thrown in there for the start of the movie....
All Alien and Predator films have great scores, but i really love the Predator 2 score, when hes inside the spaceship at the end, thats really a great score full of mystery, great. Very close after that comes the music from the first one.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 11, 2007, 04:09:39 PM
when hes inside the spaceship at the end, thats really a great score full of mystery, great.
Yeah, it's my favorite aswell. I wonder if they can top it with AvP2.
I hope there is that score from Aliens when they're on the Drop Ship and the place is about to blow. That would be a really cool piece of score for the teaser or trailer... 8)
QuoteBrian Tyler: It is going to be wild wild crazy wild!
Oh dear lord...
QuoteThe score will be purely orchestral.
One positive at least.
QuoteThere will be references to the tradition of those classic scores. The music of the Predator is more organized and methodical while the Alien music is certainly extreme and frighteningly primal.
Oh boy. The Alien films had the methodical music, the Predator films had the tribal music. But otherwise, funky news.
Off topic-ish. I was watching Wrath of Khan yesterday and noticed Horner ripping himself off again during the scenes where Khan meets Chekov. Same stuff as he used later in Aliens during the early colony sweep scenes.
He musta really been stretched...
Parts of the score for Alien have already been re-used twice - in Aliens and Alien Resurrection.
Cameron used the actual score - I think Frizzell just incorporated a few notes of the Alien score into his own compositions.
Quote from: SM on Jun 12, 2007, 01:13:33 AM
Horner ripping himself off again
Which doesn't shock me. He used the same theme 3 or 4 times.
I'm happy it's pure orchestral. :)
Quote from: SM on Jun 12, 2007, 01:13:33 AM
Off topic-ish. I was watching Wrath of Khan yesterday and noticed Horner ripping himself off again during the scenes where Khan meets Chekov. Same stuff as he used later in Aliens during the early colony sweep scenes.
He musta really been stretched...
I thought we all knew that? Most of Horner's scores from then are all the same.
I knew Horner had used the Klingon attack motif from ST 3, but I wasn't aware he also nicked stuff from ST2. Mainly cos the stuff I'm talking about is very quiet under the dialogue.
Most of the score to Trek III is straight outta Trek II. There's very few new compositions done for it, mostly making do with re-timed cues from II.
Entertaining film none-the-less.
Quote from: SM on Jun 12, 2007, 01:13:33 AM
Off topic-ish. I was watching Wrath of Khan yesterday and noticed Horner ripping himself off again during the scenes where Khan meets Chekov. Same stuff as he used later in Aliens during the early colony sweep scenes.
He musta really been stretched...
Actually, those basic melodies were present in as far back as what he did for '
Battle Beyond The Stars', but he tends to rearrange them sufficiently to fit in with each film's theme. :)
Just listen to '
Krull' It takes some of the pieces he's famed for using, but the score has an identity all of its own.
In the extra features for '
Aliens', I think there are interviews which show how amazingly rushed it was and that the music was meant to have suffered for that. It's either admitted or alluded to that he had so little time and opportunity to score new stuff, that he had to basically resort to what he knew worked well.
The same applies to the composer for '
Alien 3', but both efforts are amazing pieces of musical work.
Yeah I knew Aliens was rushed, which pissed Horner off greatly. Still the music suited the film extraordinarily well, so ti did the job.
QuoteThere's very few new compositions done for it, mostly making do with re-timed cues from II.
Aside from Goldsmith's original film theme, Horner's was best. Not surprised he re-used his music. I was always a bit disappointed that Trek didn't use the same themes throughout all the films like Star Wars or Indiana Jones.
Quote from: SM on Jun 13, 2007, 12:24:41 AM
Aside from Goldsmith's original film theme, Horner's was best.
Agreed. His main theme was great. Eidelman's Holst-esque Trek 6 score is good too, I know it ain't everyone's cup o' tea, but I dig it. :)
A lot of the themes show up many times. The Klingon theme shows up again plenty of times throughout the TOS film and again in First Contact.
Yeah but the Klingon attack on the V'Ger cloud in TMP was different from Horner's motif in Search for Spock. And I don't remember any Klingons in First Contact?
I just thought it'd be cool if certain themes could be consistent throughout then new ones come into play in each film. That said the stuff Goldsmith and Horner used for the Klingons were both pretty sweet.
Quote from: SM on Jun 13, 2007, 08:48:43 AM
Yeah but the Klingon attack on the V'Ger cloud in TMP was different from Horner's motif in Search for Spock. And I don't remember any Klingons in First Contact?
There weren't, it was just used for battles. And I think it was used for Worf's reveal on the deflector dish too.
The Worf bit would make sense. It's been a long while since I watched First Contact though.
Goldsmith only uses his Klingon motif twice in First Contact.
1. When Worf is first shown on the bridge of the Defiant.
2. A very faint version when Worf enters the Enterprise bridge.
P.S. FYI, the score for the deflector dish sequence was actually composed by Jerry's son, Joel.
Who does the Stargate SG1 music!
*puts in First Contact DVD* No, it wasn't on the deflector bit. Could have sworn it was used more than twice in the film. :-\
*waits for SiL to react to Aliens being called primal*
nice, It seems things always get better when speaking to people working on the movies, now all we need is an actual screen shot to prove that were not in for the biggest hoax of the century! :P
(One thing I can say for sure, it is going to be big!) there is he talking about the music, or the movie? ???
Both.
This movie will be a film legend, And Strause Brothers the next Academy Winner Directors!
The trailer will answer all our questions.
I really hope that it is really true what he says, im not worried about the score anyway, brian is a great composer.
I love Brians work, I have no worries of the score, it's in good hands now. Now for a trailer! I think I heard that the AVP2 trailer will be shown with the next Die Hard film, is that true?
bringing both music themes togetther....amazing shit.
The first avp2 teaser will be shown at the end of june at comic-con...
at the end of july at comic con :P ::)
@Corporal Hicks: Thought the EXACT same thing as I was reading that.. SiL ain't gonna be happy to hear that :P Lol..
End of july?!!! This shit better be good! You know....worth the wait ;)
Primal, how dare he :o the alien films have the best musical scores I have heard ever, anyway good to hear that the original scores are in avp 2, sort of ;D
I'm a bit confused. He's calling the Alien MUSIC primal ... if he means in AvP2, fine and dandy, but in the previous films? I'd hardly call the work primal. Unless again he's talking about the creatures. Fair enough.
By 'primal', I think think they mean organic and visceral. Primal does not equate bad. The music from the first two 'Predator' films, however, had the most primal atmosphere, because of the tribal theme.
I am not worried, I am hoping for some homages to the older scores, but I want to have it's own score, stand on it's own legs, so when we hear a sound byte of the score, we can go "AvP 2!" not "AvP 2's score, which is just a bunch of homages to the older movies, so there is nothing fresh!"
That's what confused me. The Predator films had primal music, with the drums and horns and all the rest of it. The Alien films didn't.
One thing that I am worried is not about the film as such but the fans expectations. I know full heartedly that it will dominate, regardless so Strause bros I got ya back ;D , Its the fact that the fans will be intenstionaly wanting to SEE those scarey moments only to feel that those moments won't be as good. This is a totally different fan base as oppose to those from both the previous Alien and Predator films (the audience members didn't know what to expect thats what gave it its razor edge). Today we know amost everything of what to expect of these movies so the suspense may possibly .... POSSIBLY not work as well. Saying that I hope I am as wrong as hell and that those moments when watching those movies takes me back to those moments of terror, and thats what we ALL want. Its all good regardless.
Dual Blades: I agree completely.. I had a long ass write up about how AvP isn't the same IP as the old movies... but frankly, dount anyone gives a damn so I deleted it :P
I hope what they're saying is true, and are not just BS'ing us. :(
Well dude, they say this for every movie. But it seems with this movie they MEAN it.
Well I hope that all this "good news" they're giving us is true. I dont want to think this movie will be great and when I see it, its crap. You dont want me to be run into Colin if the movie is crap. Hell will surely break loose if that happens.
Hes a nice guy though! When I met him he ASSURED me that there will be lots of chains in the movie, and then my happy camper hat went on...
Chains wont make the movie a success. And if this movie goes to hell, I seriously doubt that people will see him as a "nice guy."
quote ----- so when we hear a sound byte of the score, we can go "AvP 2!" not "AvP 2's score, which is just a bunch of homages to the older movies, so there is nothing fresh!" ----- Do you remmeber the score of avp1??? because I dont, but I do remember the predator's one. They rule. And I would really like to hear like a newmix fo the traditicion with the alien theme... that could finally be meaningfull ^_^ I'll be happy to listen to the "tum, tum.... tata ta tatata tat, tum..." Yeeeeeeeah man!
I really hate to lower some folks spirits in here, but does anyone remember all the hype on avp1 ? All the homages in that fil and it still sucked... :-\ Also.. i remember a video interview by Lance Henrickson saying "This is gonna be an awsome ride, there are no seatbelts in the movie theater" and i felt like I was riding the "teacup". So what the actors and the rest that work on the movie have to say means nothing to me..." Ill be the judge on the "roller coaster" when i ride it
seriously, don't you guys ever learn? the less you expect the better, no matter if the movie is good or bad, it's always better to expect nothing. until now, we have nothing that should make anyone hyped really. we have a lot of promises, just like we had with the first movie.
Thanks for the heads up Cellien ;) But you see my point. I bet you that SOMEONE will criticise the hell out of this movie, constructive critisism is good its just when people pointlessly want to jump on the directors for something they did or done. Now I can't talk considering I like everyone else hasn't seen anything of this movie yet ( one stills) but we all need to look at this movie ... ... NOT as an Alien clone ... ... NOT as a Predator clone ... ... BUT an Alien vs Predator movie, in it own vain. Paul Anderson set out to create a sci-fi,action first hand, NOT an horror movie. The Strause Bros are intent on creating a HORROR movie first hand where as the action will follow due to this. Seroiusily people, I really,REALLY have faith that the boys WILL deliver something special,will ALLLLL be in for a surprise. ;D
NICE speech, like to hear people talk like that about this film. Although itll be fresh if its a straightforward horror film, as neither series have been Horror, besides Alien.
:) thanks Pvt. Hicks Because THIS is a Alien vs Predator movie the scare value will have to come from the humans point of perspective because it will be them that we most recognise from, we all relate to. If there is only ONE scene in the movie that will course me to draw back in my seat I will be happy. P.S. Darkness, the brothers probably know themselves but I ask only of one thing only ... ... PLEASE DO NOT SHOW ANY PICS OF THE PRED-ALIEN FROM NOW TILL THE MOVIE COMES OUT ( we all know it will) itis the single ONE thing that will leave people and fans guessing to what it will look like. On of the major factors that would want people ( not fans) go and see THIS movie. I'm hyping this movie like crazy to anyone and everyone , my contribution ;D
people talk comon!
I can only be skeptical about AVP2, as I clearly remember an awful amount of hype (remember the elabourate website??) and anticipation for AVP. I went to the midnight showing and was beyond dissapointed!! I don't know how many people read the screenplay novel that was released prior, but it was actually good(!!), and I couldn't understand how Paul Anderson could f*** it up so bad! I'll go see the next installment (can't quite help myself), but a possible Alien 5 w/Ridley Scott and James Cameron would be the best thing since.......Aliens.
f**k aliens
Paul ws. Anderson=resident evil need I say more... (that's am bad thing)