Hello gals & guys,
i'll be seeing PROMETHEUS this monday afternoon.
Won't be able to write a long text right after the screening (don't have a fancy smartphone, mine is a pain in the ass to write with) but i'll post a short reaction, then when i get home a longer one. I will not dwell into massive spoilers don't won't to harm the movie nor spoil it for my fellows fans who are weak like me.
However i'll give a few ;)
Depending on the embargo directives given by Fox to the press, maybe there will be online reactions after the screening. Here are the french movie news websites that are the most likely to post reactions that afternoon (screening ends around 3pm parisian time) and that are the most interesting critic wise :
www.ecranlarge.com (http://www.ecranlarge.com)
www.scifi-universe.com (http://www.scifi-universe.com)
www.filmdeculte.com (http://www.filmdeculte.com)
It's gonna be a long week end ^^!
UPDATE!
Spoiler
Just go home.
Pretty rough day.
I was with family after screening enjoying the sun.
Like i said my phone did not let me login to the forums but i was able to read it.
And i must say that the lack of trust of some is really something.
Do i need to remind you that I was the one who talked first about the scene screening in early April and also the first to tell you about the movie screening today?
Well i guss that it's usual in the forums...
Can't stay long my wife's gonna kill me, i'll be back in an hour.
One last thing tho about the french reviews.
The people present there are just like you, people came exepeting xeno, other knew better, other did know shit, other were hardcore fans, well you get the idea.
Most are not intellectual sobs who disses entertainment or scifi flick.
So please stop with the clichés.
About the movie.
For now what i can say, is that i got out of the theatre angry and almost cried.
I've got nothing to spoil because from the first trailer the movie has been spoiled to us.
I loved it until the last 20/30 minutes, i'm still trying to figure out how the last 2 minutes (Scott probably said 8 minutes because he's including the fight that leads to this moment) are supposed to make the bridge with ALIEN.
If it is what i think it is, it's just lame. My main theorie, the human Engineer is wrong, but i think that when you'll see the movie you're gonna wish it was right... And i'm not bragging...
The creatures i won't even bother...
The opening was beautiful, and there is some really cool moments.
I called the ending.
Lots of stuff is clearly missing, scenes have been clearly modified.
Some characters have their development cleary been cut from the move.
I had expectation going in.
i knew what Scott was doing, some sort of blockbuster version of ALIEN.
I was ok to embrace it. I really wanted to fusking love this movie.
As it is for now i can't.
One thing is sure, when you have great expectations, it is bound to happen some sort of backlash.
So i'm right now processing that, trying to leave my feelings and expectations out and see the movie fresh.
That is why i'm definitly going to see it again.
For me it is not a bad movie, it's a flawed and lazy movie.
Be right back.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Even spoilerific ones.
I don't care anymore.
Don't shoot i'm just the messenger.
UPDATE 2
Ok so the night was great and i had time to rethink about what bothered me in the movie.
I'm gonna dwell into spoilers so be warned.
Spoiler
Some stuff just bothered me in the movie (the way Fifield and Millburn get lost and end up being victims, how can the guy who is mapping the place with his orbs and is in constant contact with the ship can be lost is just beyond me lol, that ravel and chance who have their great moment with janek are almost just shadows, that the hangar attack is just there to satisfy the need for action of the general movie audience) But i can forget and forgive them.
Eeverything is so cool around those that its ok.
I loved the movie until the Engineer is awaken.
One thing i understand now is that the surviving Engineer, is just a regular shmoe he's not a leader or anything.
He and all the dead engineers were on this planet creating weapon of mass destruction, this is a military base and he's just one of the many "soldiers" (remember Scott said the derelict was a bomber hence the military concepts).
When shit hit the fans on that base (this is important i will get back to it later) he and his crew were on their way to take off to Earth to wipe us out (the image of David in front of well stored urns, is actually the cargo bay of the juggernaut inside the urns, death either by complete desintragration of the body or by infestation).
So when he wakes up and start to go berzerk on David, Weyland, Ford and the Merc his agressive reaction do make sense.
He was ordered to destroy our race and he wakes up to find us there.
That is all there is to this first contact.
But i was expecting that our crew will get to meet an actual leader of the race, not just a grunt.
The one who has his face sculpted, he's their leader.
The movie forget about all the grand questions and goes into action, slasher, blockbuster territory.
But now i'm even ok with that, its not a problem anymore that we end up having just a classic horror slaher ending with a big bad monster stalking our heroine.
What still bothers me is the missed oportunity to make the events that lead to the massacre in the Engineer military base to payoff in the end. Especially now that i know what was supposed to take place in the end of the movie.
Bascally here is what happened in the military base.
An Engineer got infected by the same thing that killed/infected Holloway, the black goo that seems to either kill you in horrible pain or make you morph, mutate. That infected Engineer unleached a new form of life, probably like the one that Shaws delivers, a giant octopus like facehugger. The pile of dead Engineers (beautifull image btw) that Millburn and Fifield encounter at one point have their chest bursted (Fifield even states it) and the holes in the 3 sarcophagis leave no doubt that xeno like creature have been born 2000 years ago (that is the date Shaw gets when she carbon analyse the Engineer dead body they find) and killed almost everyone on the Engineer base.
What was the original plan for the final act was to have The surviving Engineer doing the same thing, going berzerk and kill the humans taking off but then :
1st script version, he would have been chestbursted by a massive xeno (wich growing was kept dormant thank to the Engineer being in cryosleep) growing very fast (like all the creatures of the movie) and been hunting down Shaw.
2nd script version, they (Engineer and Shaw) would have been confronted to the massive xenos or their spawns that were born from the Engineers 2000 years ago.
After killing it, Shaw would have took off with the Juggernaut with David just like she does in the movie.
Maybe Scott ditched these endings because they were too much ALIEN like, or maybe he wants to use this and adress the whole military base incident in the sequel.
Either way i would have prefered this than the Engineer stalking Shaw to the ship like Jason to be killed by a giant octopus.
:)
I will be faithfully waiting for your post, you lucky Earthling. Feel free to post your heart out. My wait is even more unbearable. 7 June 2012 is a bloody century away.
A century away.....lolz......less than two weeks.... :)
Lucky man ;)
LOL
It reminds me.. As I mentioned earlier, I work in the cinema and I had a little chat with the projectionist today. I asked him how many days in advance he downloads the DCPs of the upcoming movies to the cinema servers.. He said it's variable.. and then added: "Yesterday, I downloaded stuff for the next two weeks... But I don't have a key to play them."
I was like "Why the hell I had to ask?!?"
:D
NGR01 I want it all!
Quote from: NGR01 on May 26, 2012, 10:10:50 AM(...) Won't be able to write a long text right after the screening (don't have a fancy smartphone, mine is a pain in the ass to write with) but i'll post a short reaction, (...)
I would prefer a lot of looong reactions :P (without spoilers at first)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 26, 2012, 10:10:50 AM(...) then when i get home a longer one. I will not dwell into massive spoilers don't won't to harm the movie nor spoil it for my fellows fans who are weak like me.
However i'll give a few ;)
I will definitively read it. And if you plan to tell us all the story with spoilers I'm on it too. ;D
But also, I'm sure that if you do a good review without any spoilers (and I'm sure you have the talent for it) it would be really apreciated by a lot of people here. ;)
Thanks guys.
Lostsoul,
nothing is set in stone, we'll see what comes to me.
I'm no critic so it will be based on my view of the movie, what my expectation are.
Almost 24hrs to the screening...
What if the movie sucks???
What if i've spoiled myself with my theories???
Been waiting for a scifi movie of this magnitude for years, really hope it will delivers!!!
The exitation is at its peak ^^!
Tv commercial last night from Prometheus.
It said in cinemas thursday. ;D
NGR01
Go in with no expectations, and you'll probably enjoy yourself more. If you bring in a ruler and are measuring everything as the film plays, you will leave absolutely unsatisfied.
Is there a chance for huge spoilers?.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 27, 2012, 01:28:33 PMIs there a chance for huge spoilers?
Considering that NRG01 will be watching the film in the next few hours, I would say yeah. Block him
now. :P
Tomorrow is everyones big day.
If possible that is?.
I would ask that NGR01 post an extensive SPOILER FREE review for those of us wanting to read a reaction but still have some kind of surprise left.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 27, 2012, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 27, 2012, 01:28:33 PMIs there a chance for huge spoilers?
Considering that NRG01 will be watching the film in the next few hours, I would say yeah. Block him now. :P
What do you mean NRG01 will see the movie in the next few hours.
It must be monday in the place he's at.
Yeah, I'd love for the review to start out, "you guys were wrong, so wrong" and that it had a fantastic story. That would be enough for me..... :-)
Ok. I think it`s time to say goodbye to everyone here. As Polish premiere is 20th July I`m going to stay away from Prometheus board till that time. Have fun and see you in July! ;)
Quote from: Master on May 27, 2012, 06:31:53 PM
Ok. I think it`s time to say goodbye to everyone here. As Polish premiere is 20th July I`m going to stay away from Prometheus board till that time. Have fun and see you in July! ;)
I'm with you...the only thing I'll be looking at for the next 2 weeks is the rottentomatoes number and that's it...won't even read the 1 sentence blurbs from each review
I'm surprised that some people want to be spoiled so close to the end. I'm eager to see a non-spoilerific review, but 4/5 days from it being on the big screen, I'm going to avoid the major spoilers from here in. ;)
I can't wait to read a spoiler-free review once you see it, man! (You will be doing a spoiler free one, right?). I just need to prepare my train of thought before June 8th.
Like i said before i won't write in full spoiler mode.
We'll see what the movie inspires me...
I hope i will be able to say that the trailer was either misleading or that massive stuff were left out of it ^^
13 hours to the screening :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 27, 2012, 09:31:28 PM
I can't wait to read a spoiler-free review once you see it, man! (You will be doing a spoiler free one, right?). I just need to prepare my train of thought before June 8th.
This. Also NGR01, have a great time you lucky git ;) :D
Quote from: NGR01 on May 27, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
13 hours to screening.
Like i said before i won't write in full spoiler mode.
I hope i will be able to say that the trailer was either misleading or that massive stuff were left out of it ^^
U will report the full story back here!!! >:(
Is the OP sure the screenings in France are tomorrow? I've been texting a friend who works for TF1 and they say there are no screenings scheduled for tomorrow.
Maybe it is for print media with long leads, rather than TV? Still, they are surprised by this.
Then your friend is not "in the know" ^^
I never post BS about screenings.
I'm the first one who talked about the selected scenes screening taking place early april.
Definitly sure, my email invitation even says there are 2 screenings, one this monday afternoon and another tuesday morning.
I don't think Fox france makes screenng for print then another for tv.
It's for everyone.
:)
If you have question about the movie i'll answer them tommorrow night.
If the answer is really spoilery i take the right to refuse to answer it (depending on the level of spoiler involved).
Quote from: NGR01 on May 27, 2012, 10:14:56 PM
Then your friend is not "in the know" ^^
I never post BS about screenings.
I'm the first one who talked about the selected scenes screening taking place early april.
Definitly sure, my email invitation even says there are 2 screenings, one this monday afternoon and another tuesday morning.
I don't think Fox france makes screenng for print then another for tv.
It's for everyone.
:)
If you have question about the movie i'll answer them tommorrow night.
If the answer is really spoilery i take the right to refuse to answer it (depending on the level of spoiler involved).
Yeah that sounds fine .. but you should do a full spoiler summary you know - just answer the big questions and mention any big surprises. I would think that those who would want to not be spoiled would just stay away. You can even make it a seperate thread and see how many views it gets.
Anyways - first and foremost just concentrate on the movie. Whatever happens later after the films is another things. I do hope you enjoy it. I know I will later in June when I drive down to Prague.
I can't wait to read your review tomorrow! So jealous ;D
Quote from: Qwertify on May 27, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
Yeah that sounds fine .. but you should do a full spoiler summary you know - just answer the big questions and mention any big surprises. I would think that those who would want to not be spoiled would just stay away. You can even make it a seperate thread and see how many views it gets.
Eh?! Why would you want this?
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 27, 2012, 11:53:55 PM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 27, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
Yeah that sounds fine .. but you should do a full spoiler summary you know - just answer the big questions and mention any big surprises. I would think that those who would want to not be spoiled would just stay away. You can even make it a seperate thread and see how many views it gets.
Eh?! Why would you want this?
Yeah, that's just spoiler bait. How many times has the sentiment 'I wish I hadn't read that!' been posted on here in the last few weeks. People will dive on in there like moths to a flame (I know I will anyway). ;D
^word. Spoilers to the end for me!
Quote from: Qwertify on May 27, 2012, 10:33:21 PMYeah that sounds fine .. but you should do a full spoiler summary you know - just answer the big questions and mention any big surprises. I would think that those who would want to not be spoiled would just stay away. You can even make it a seperate thread and see how many views it gets.
Yeah, I agree with this. If anything is particularly spoilery, just add spoiler tags. Those who do not wish to see it, will not see it. The rest of us will be fine.
This is crazy! We wait three years for this and with mere days/weeks to go you're demanding to know the ENTIRE film? Which will inevitably distil your cinema experience?!
Each to their own.
Spoiler
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The first thing I'll do tomorrow (Monday) morning (Mtn time USA) is check this thread.
I'm looking forward to maximum spoilage. 8)
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 28, 2012, 01:08:33 AM
The first thing I'll do tomorrow (Monday) morning (Mtn time USA) is check this thread.
I'm looking forward to maximum spoilage. 8)
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Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 28, 2012, 01:04:37 AM
This is crazy! We wait three years for this and with mere days/weeks to go you're demanding to know the ENTIRE film? Which will inevitably distil your cinema experience?!
Each to their own.
Spoiler
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Haha, I feel the same way :D But to each their own. I know that there are some people who are really on the fence, and the spoilers may be the extra boost they need. But personally, I'm going to avoid them.
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 28, 2012, 01:04:37 AMWhich will inevitably distil your cinema experience?!
dat assumption
Quote from: Vickers Valiant on May 28, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 28, 2012, 01:04:37 AMWhich will inevitably distil your cinema experience?!
dat assumption
How could it not? If you read up the ending to, for example, The Usual Suspects prior to viewing. Sure, still a great film. You've also completely deprived yourself of that sudden jolt to the system upon the endings reveal. You've distilled your own experience.
Again, each to their own. If you want a blow by blow account of the whole movie that's fine. Just keep that information on this (or the reviews) thread. ;)
No problem with spoilers here. This is a movie that is hopefully going to be a major part of my couch life for a long long time, right next to Alien. I'm in it for the long haul. ;)
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 28, 2012, 01:24:26 AMHow could it not? If you read up the ending to, for example, The Usual Suspects prior to viewing. Sure, still a great film. You've also completely deprived yourself of that sudden jolt to the system upon the endings reveal. You've distilled your own experience.
That's assuming that I'm impressed or intrigued by such things. If the directer is competent, the movie's value will be worth more than one viewing or a one-time thrill.
In regards to spoilers for Prometheus, I couldn't care less. Makes no difference to me if I find out the details tomorrow or two weeks from now, I'll be seeing the movie regardless. I can handle it, trust me.
The folks that can't should definitely seek a spoiler-free review, though.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 28, 2012, 01:25:14 AM
No problem with spoilers here. This is a movie that is hopefully going to be a major part of my couch life for a long long time, right next to Alien. I'm in it for the long haul. ;)
ChrisPachi, I almost want some kind of intervention brought upon you for the next two weeks ;D
It'll involve drip feeding you pictures Sean Harris's haircut until opening day in Australia ;)
Or this..
Spoiler
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You've just failed your first test ;) :D
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 28, 2012, 01:38:22 AM
Or this.. Spoiler
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You've just failed your first test ;) :D
Dammit!... oooh. ;D
Less than 2 weeks away for us Americans :laugh:
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7 June release date here in Singapore. And the wait is sheer hell!
You can't ruin a good movie. I know that Salman Rushdie gives away many of his surprises and endings in his book long before it happens and it doesn't ruin anything. For him - it is all about something more than just being surprised that one time. It is like - someone tells you Will and Jill are getting married (spoiler) you are surprised and can't believe it. Then you go to the wedding and when you actually see them together you can't believe it, and later in life you still can't believe it happens.
I want to go in knowing as much as possible about the film. That way I feel I will be in a good mind set to think about the films questions without having to rewatch it a few times to get to that point.
And also a few people agree with me I think :) Let the Spoilerage Begin!!!
Don't really agree with idea to fully spoil the movie before its official release.
I know it's funny coming from a guy who was there all the time making theories or analysing trailers frame by frame ^^
Hope i won't make you guys angry if i don't won't to spoil some stuff.
It will all comes down to the movie quality.
If the spoilery stuff is really good and needs to be seen on screen.
Well i don't know... We'll see how the movie turns out...
4 hours to Screening :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Enjoy the movie NGR01, lucky bastard. :)
Personally i'd say just endure radio silence until at least the 8th of June. That way the bulk of the boards can be discussing with you many of the theories and such on even terms. :)
I'm going to ignore this user right now just in case
Quote from: WiseNige on May 28, 2012, 03:11:54 AM
Less than 2 weeks away for us Americans :laugh:
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You are
awesome, relatively new person. :laugh:
I am intrigued by your post, Qwertify. I'm in the no-spoilage camp, but to be honest, that's absolutely accurate what you said about having to see a movie a few times before you really develop a feel for it, and grasp what's going on well.
The first time you watch a great movie is like the first time you have sex. The excitement was so big that you just try to keep it together until it's over, and then you can't really remember much besides that feeling that you've just watched it.
:laugh:
Glad to live in Holland. We get to see it 31st of may! Sadly... I rarely go to the cinema in summer. And this feels more like a wintermovie. They should ave waited till september as far as im concerned
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 07:46:30 AM
Quote from: WiseNige on May 28, 2012, 03:11:54 AM
Less than 2 weeks away for us Americans :laugh:
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You are awesome, relatively new person. :laugh:
lol thanx bro
Quote from: Symn on May 28, 2012, 07:48:42 AM
Glad to live in Holland. We get to see it 31st of may! Sadly... I rarely go to the cinema in summer. And this feels more like a wintermovie. They should ave waited till september as far as im concerned
You're crazy!!!! LOL
It would be great to watch the movie spoiler-free and be surprised. But there's one problem : Waiting for 7 June. That is like hell in a cell. Thus, indulging in the spoilers is a thirst quencher.
So Right Now, NGR01 is watching Prometheus huh...
aaaaaaaah I am watching this thread like crazy
nope still 1 hours to screening ^^
Getting ready to go.
Tested my phone connection to the forum but it wont show me the case where i enter my login infos grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Maybe a mod or an fellow member can send me his email so he can repost my short reaction after the screening?
Probably be twitter like either "the movies is great" "the movie sucks".
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 28, 2012, 08:24:56 AM
It would be great to watch the movie spoiler-free and be surprised. But there's one problem : Waiting for 7 June. That is like hell in a cell. Thus, indulging in the spoilers is a thirst quencher.
Imagine if you had to wait till august or september? :laugh:
7 June is not that far...
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 09:51:42 AM
nope still 1 hours to screening ^^
Getting ready to go.
Tested my phone connection to the forum but it wont show me the case where i enter my login infos grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Maybe a mod or an fellow member can send me his email so he can repost my short reaction after the screening?
Probably be twitter like either "the movies is great" "the movie sucks".
Well the movie will either be mind blowing or it will be OK. Either way we will want to see for ourselves later. Just take it easy and when you get some free time, write us up a nice spoiler laden review. It would be great for those of us who might have to wait another few weeks to see the film. ;D Thanks!
Watching this thread like a hawk.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 09:51:42 AM
nope still 1 hours to screening ^^
Getting ready to go.
Tested my phone connection to the forum but it wont show me the case where i enter my login infos grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Maybe a mod or an fellow member can send me his email so he can repost my short reaction after the screening?
Probably be twitter like either "the movies is great" "the movie sucks".
Have a great time 8) can't wait till it releases here on thursday
its enough if you tell me they spoiled 90% of the moive in the trailers or not :D
Quote from: szkoki on May 28, 2012, 11:14:31 AM
its enough if you tell me they spoiled 90% of the moive in the trailers or not :D
i'm quite curious about that also :P but i still have the feeling there is something else that we haven't seen yet
OK.. I guess ill report back here in 3 hrs. And watch the twitters in the mean time.
I have similiar feeling like when I was going for the first date :D
The anticipation and the excitement is reaching ridiculous leves...
I cant wait.
I just need to hear that it was good so I can run around giggling like a little schoolgirl for the next two weeks.
Quote from: Aceburster on May 28, 2012, 12:58:32 PM
I just need to hear that it was good so I can run around giggling like a little schoolgirl for the next two weeks.
:laugh: :laugh: I hear ya :D
But i'm already acting like a giggly schoolgirl :-X 3 more days to go, tickets for thursday
My body is ready
Quote from: szkoki on May 28, 2012, 11:14:31 AM
its enough if you tell me they spoiled 90% of the moive in the trailers or not :D
Yup, i am interested in this type of things too. How much of the movie and it's plot was revealed in all the trailers. Were the twist good? Quality of acting, special effects and aliens. Was it campy, or cool?
Anyways, i'm having chips and pepsi, watching the end os Farscape season 3, next is season 4, and after each episode i visit this thread
Quote from: Symn on May 28, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
OK.. I guess ill report back here in 3 hrs. And watch the twitters in the mean time.
That will be great when the 3 hours pass :).
Quote from: szkoki on May 28, 2012, 11:14:31 AM
its enough if you tell me they spoiled 90% of the moive in the trailers or not :D
But telling us such a thing would be a spoiler in itself ............
Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: Symn on May 28, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
OK.. I guess ill report back here in 3 hrs. And watch the twitters in the mean time.
That will be great when the 3 hours pass :).
You'd expect prople to tweet about it if they'd be going to this screening, but... Nothing. I'm starting to doubt if there really is a screening today..
Quote from: Symn on May 28, 2012, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: Symn on May 28, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
OK.. I guess ill report back here in 3 hrs. And watch the twitters in the mean time.
That will be great when the 3 hours pass :).
You'd expect prople to tweet about it if they'd be going to this screening, but... Nothing. I'm starting to doubt if there really is a screening today..
;)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43724.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43724.0)
O NRG01, where art thou?
Back in 2010 the mod Corporal Hicks seen a pre-screening of Predators.
I'm surprised he's not doing the samething with Prometheus ???.
Where the hell is that guy..
Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
Back in 2010 the mod Corporal Hicks seen a pre-screening of Predators.
I'm surprised he's not doing the samething with Prometheus ???.
He is. On Wednesday.
Actually I had dream about Prometheus today and it was f**king scary, I gope that NGR will bring positive news ffs. I am getting heartattacks here
Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
Back in 2010 the mod Corporal Hicks seen a pre-screening of Predators.
I'm surprised he's not doing the samething with Prometheus ???.
He is. On Wednesday.
Oh, sweet. First I've heard of this. Really excited for his review
Quote from: Ruzena on May 28, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
Actually I had dream about Prometheus today and it was f**king scary, I gope that NGR will bring positive news ffs. I am getting heartattacks here
Out of all the people I can think of that would deliver a
negative review, NGR01 is at the top of the list.
I'm looking forward to hearing back from NGR01. Good or bad, I'd just like a fans perspective.
What about you Darkness do you have plans to see the movie on May 30TH.
Imagine the updates you will make :).
If someone been this quiet after the showing it's only means he's a bit disappointed. I would expect someone to jump right on here and put a short words of encouragement but seems like that won't be the case but I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, I'm sure the guy is just heartbroken. He can't bear to tell us.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 03:57:19 PM
What about you Darkness do you have plans to see the movie on May 30TH.
Afraid not. It'll be next week, and that's only if my local cinema is showing the 2D version. 3D stuff doesn't interest me.
Maybe he's got a life, and is enjoying some post movie chat, food & drink?
Or maybe the sky is falling.
Either or.
yeah maybe he is enjoying some precious time with a hot brunette, give him a break
today, people have a different notion of scifi.
movies like avengers , transformers and battleship are todays scifi.
if prometheus is like "Moon" i will be completely satisfied.
Quote from: Bayo on May 28, 2012, 04:33:49 PM
today, people have a different notion of scifi.
movies like avengers , transformers and battleship are todays scifi.
rip sci-fi then , we will miss u
When this movie has been out for like two weeks, Darkness do you have plans to update the AVPGalaxy Prometheus page?.
dont worry szokoki, true scifi will keep coming, as long the studios learn to make movies cheap.
good examples: District 9 and Moon
I am really surprised NGR01 hasnt posted or tweeted any tidbit or catch phrase. He must be really torn about how to respond.
I mean if it was good, i would post something like "Off the Chain" or "We will be rewarded"
If its bad, its kinda hard to say something concise to your peers without letting them down (Our members).
Man you people are worse then guys who take a girl on a date, and then they say they will call you. And you wait, and wait and think its bad news, and end up calling the girl 50 times.
Quote from: Bayo on May 28, 2012, 04:49:31 PM
dont worry szokoki, true scifi will keep coming, as long the studios learn to make movies cheap.
good examples: District 9 and Moon
Moon was represented in the movies in your country or it was a straight to dvd? i saw it in a 10th ranked tv channel here and i was shocked, cried like a baby at least 3 times meanwhile on the 3 main channels was somekind of f**ked up reality show going on
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 28, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
I am really surprised NGR01 hasnt posted or tweeted any tidbit or catch phrase. He must be really torn about how to respond.
I mean if it was good, i would post something like "Off the Chain" or "We will be rewarded"
If its bad, its kinda hard to say something concise to your peers without letting them down (Our members).
or he's in shock so bad , that he hasn't left his chair in screening room yet and they are still trying to get him out.
Quote from: Bayo on May 28, 2012, 04:49:31 PM
dont worry szokoki, true scifi will keep coming, as long the studios learn to make movies cheap.
good examples: District 9 and Moon
Yup but i guess we also would like to see a major big budget space opera. I want to see movies like Halo, or Mass effect, The Forever War and things like that. Even if from time to time we get movies like District 9. Because these movies operate on a small budget, their universe is pretty small in scope. So if they manage to do movies like Transformers for hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, and Harry Potter and so on, then i want a big budget trilogy or stand alone movie, 200 million dollar budget, or 250 with intergalactic wars, fresh things,ideas. For f**ks sake, there are tons of games, tons of sci-fi literature with tens of millions of fans. Just make something epic already.The fans are eager, the tehnology exists to do it. What the hell is the excuse?
About NGR01 i'm guessing it isn't enough for him to drop a 2 sentences in the first instance. He's probably still processing what he saw and tries to think about how to describe it, what it meant, what exactly can he put in without being to spoilery.
Funny Plokoon^ :laugh:
To pass the time, you know they're making a Forever War film right Zuzuki? Directed by Ridley.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 28, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
I am really surprised NGR01 hasnt posted or tweeted any tidbit or catch phrase. He must be really torn about how to respond.
I mean if it was good, i would post something like "Off the Chain" or "We will be rewarded"
If its bad, its kinda hard to say something concise to your peers without letting them down (Our members).
He just texted me "AVP: Requiem wasnt that bad"
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
Funny Plokoon^ :laugh:
To pass the time, you know they're making a Forever War film right Zuzuki? Directed by Ridley.
Nope. They were thinking and working on it for some years,but i think they abandoned it. Think about it. After this Ridley does a movie with Fassbender, after that Blade runner. That means about 3-4 years of work. Also if he was serios about a sequel to Prometheus you can add a couple more years. He is also preparing on a movie with Angelina jolie right now. Plus the dude isn't getting any younger, so i doubt i'll see a Forever War movie, by Ridley in the next 5-10 years
It would never make sense to say AVPR is better?.
Benedict Wong played in Moon btw, it was one of those company's executives during the videoconference, so his input was beyond minimal.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
It would never make sense to say AVPR is better?.
Even when it was his Spidey sense?
Quote from: Plokoon111 on May 28, 2012, 05:00:04 PM
Man you people are worse then guys who take a girl on a date, and then they say they will call you. And you wait, and wait and think its bad news, and end up calling the girl 50 times.
You response is a bit misplaced. NGR01 is the one who stated he would respond, concisely, because he doesnt have a "super" mobile phone. The lack of response is telling. NGR01 has always been trustworthy. I dont think he wants to let anyone down(about his offer and the movie itself). No one is demanding anything from the guy that he hasnt offered up.
This is not like calling a date 50 times after a first outing.
Given the bad French reivews and the long delay in this thread, I'm left to assume that NGR did not care for the movie and doesn't want to post the disappointing info.
I really hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 28, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
Given the bad French reivews and the long delay in this thread, I'm left to assume that NGR did not care for the movie and doesn't want to post the disappointing info.
I really hope I'm wrong.
Honestly, the only opinion that matters is YOURS, so ignore everyone else and go see it for yourself, then make up your own mind.
Quote from: Infected on May 28, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 28, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
I am really surprised NGR01 hasnt posted or tweeted any tidbit or catch phrase. He must be really torn about how to respond.
I mean if it was good, i would post something like "Off the Chain" or "We will be rewarded"
If its bad, its kinda hard to say something concise to your peers without letting them down (Our members).
He just texted me "AVP: Requiem wasnt that bad"
that means Prometheus comparing to requiem is shite xD
NGR01, if you are out there reading this, don't be afraid to tell it like it is !
Its going to end up being him saying his car broke down, or something like that.
Quote from: Truise on May 28, 2012, 05:49:27 PM
NGR01, if you are out there reading this, don't be afraid to tell it like it is !
Also if NGR01 is reading this, explain you'er opinion it's not like GameFaqs forums were you get suspended for two weeks with an honest opinion.
Maybe NGR01 was alter ego of Engineer01 who only lied in desperate act of drawing attention! :D
I heard the link to Alien was that Predators made the Engineers.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 06:42:33 PM
I heard the link to Alien was that Predators made the Engineers.
This must be very bad joke, otherwise I am sending letter bomb to Lindeloff adress lolz
Man...I am really looking forward to seeing what NGR01 has to say about this film. Just from reading his posts, I think that I would trust his opinion over 95% of the critics. That being said, still can't help feeling a little disappointed so far. In general, critics reviews don't really mean much in the big picture, I have many guilty pleasures that were panned by critics. Blade Runner was a disaster at the theater. I remember seeing it in a nearly empty theater. Still I want so badly to like this film and I can't lie, if we end up with something along the lines of Alien3 or Alien Res...I will be very disappointed.
I need to know a fan's true reaction. ( with spoilers please...)
Quote from: Ruzena on May 28, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 06:42:33 PM
I heard the link to Alien was that Predators made the Engineers.
This must be very bad joke, otherwise I am sending letter bomb to Lindeloff adress lolz
lol :laugh:
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 06:42:33 PM
I heard the link to Alien was that Predators made the Engineers.
Brilliant! :P :laugh:
I don't think we're going to see much of NGR01 around here again...
So...did NGR01 just do a ginormous trolling all of us or what?! wtf man
Quote from: Symn on May 28, 2012, 07:00:45 PM
I don't think we're going to see much of NGR01 around here again...
I guess Shaw blows the tentacle monster out the airlock in the end. :(
Bummer :D Well, us Americans will have plenty of UK response here in a minute! That's what I really trust, and I can already tell how a lot of them are going to go.
The guy is in a plane to his vacation destination.
He trolled us!!!!!
Quote from: Infected on May 28, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
The guy is in a plane to his vacation destination.
He trolled us!!!!!
:'( >:( :'(
Quote from: Infected on May 28, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
The guy is in a plane to his vacation destination.
He trolled us!!!!!
I posted this in the other screening thread
QuoteI'm still waiting for Ngr01 report, and i'm starting to get the feeling he didn't attend the preview or he knows someone who was invited. Just told us he will so he can read after it the french reviews or get the info from someone, mix it into a story and deliver it to us. I hope i'm wrong, but that's the feeling i get
Quote from: zuzuki on May 28, 2012, 07:19:12 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 28, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
The guy is in a plane to his vacation destination.
He trolled us!!!!!
I posted this in the other screening thread
QuoteI'm still waiting for Ngr01 report, and i'm starting to get the feeling he didn't attend the preview or he knows someone who was invited. Just told us he will so he can read after it the french reviews or get the info from someone, mix it into a story and deliver it to us. I hope i'm wrong, but that's the feeling i get
That is the feeling I kind of got from his presumptuous excuses (I have a bad phone, will write up a full review later, etc.)
If anyone on here got to see the actual movie - I am fairly sure they would say something like - "Hey I will be out with the g/f but will post full spoilers the next day. Expect it to be up Tuesday morning etc. etc.
Maybe he is combing over other review now, maybe he is out to dinner.
Either way I trust that NGR01 is not trolling us and that he will sooner or later give us his personal review with all the spoilers.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 07:24:45 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 28, 2012, 07:19:12 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 28, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
The guy is in a plane to his vacation destination.
He trolled us!!!!!
I posted this in the other screening thread
QuoteI'm still waiting for Ngr01 report, and i'm starting to get the feeling he didn't attend the preview or he knows someone who was invited. Just told us he will so he can read after it the french reviews or get the info from someone, mix it into a story and deliver it to us. I hope i'm wrong, but that's the feeling i get
That is the feeling I kind of got from his presumptuous excuses (I have a bad phone, will write up a full review later, etc.)
If anyone on here got to see the actual movie - I am fairly sure they would say something like - "Hey I will be out with the g/f but will post full spoilers the next day. Expect it to be up Tuesday morning etc. etc.
Maybe he is combing over other review now, maybe he is out to dinner.
Either way I trust that NGR01 is not trolling us and that he will sooner or later give us his personal review with all the spoilers.
I hope you're right, I really do *Ripley voice*
This is like cruel and unusual punishment for us! To have someone count down the "hours til the screening" like he did. Then have us hopping out of bed today hoping to see the juice! And now have to wait some more. smdh :-\
Quote from: duckman5150 on May 28, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
Man...I am really looking forward to seeing what NGR01 has to say about this film. Just from reading his posts, I think that I would trust his opinion over 95% of the critics. That being said, still can't help feeling a little disappointed so far. In general, critics reviews don't really mean much in the big picture, I have many guilty pleasures that were panned by critics. Blade Runner was a disaster at the theater. I remember seeing it in a nearly empty theater. Still I want so badly to like this film and I can't lie, if we end up with something along the lines of Alien3 or Alien Res...I will be very disappointed.
I need to know a fan's true reaction. ( with spoilers please...)
Man I love you! I agree 200% with you.
Even if as a french I can read these 1st screening reviews in my native language I must know more. Details !
I had questioned NGRO1's legitimacy before, but I had dismissed it as just being overly pessimistic. Now that you guys mention it, I'm really starting to wonder...
Although I'm sure he'll be back with an extravagant tale to cover his tracks, so it doesn't really matter.
He will post photo of his screening pass along with the review :)
up post 1
Welcome back and thanks for the review! :)
Now that I've read it...here's to hoping for an extended cut.
Does the xenomorph appear in the film?
Does Shaw die?
Does Holloway die early?
What did you dislike most about the ending?
Thanx for the review! Sorry for doubting you ;)
Is Weyland on the ship? and is he integral to the plot? or just in it for a few minutes like Ridley and them have been saying?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 08:20:50 PM
Does the xenomorph appear in the film?
Does Shaw die?
Does Holloway die early?
What did you dislike most about the ending?
:laugh:
Do you REALLY want to know these things beforehand, Cvalda?
If answers are forthcoming, please put them in spoiler tags. Thank you :)
Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Do you REALLY want to know these things beforehand, Cvalda?
Yes. If this film disappoints as much I fear it will, I need to prepare myself early. :P
No. It will just mean you will be disappointed early. :laugh:
Is there a post-credits bonus scene?
So the film blows then?, well not suprising if i'm being honest, i had a feeling it might blow as soon as i saw 7 foot tall humanoid Space Jockeys.
Quote from: urvile on May 28, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
Is there a post-credits bonus scene?
Yeah, this is pretty much the only thing I want to know, in case I have to convince my friends to sit through the credits.
I didn't read the full review but this doesn't sound good...
:'(
Ugh...
Not what I wanted to hear.
Ok I read your review and thanks for not putting any spoilers in, but just a question that might be relevant given your reaction. Of the franchise, which was your favourite movie?
ie did you feel let down because it destroys the mystery of the original, or because the links weren't as strong as you'd hoped? Or does it screw with sequel canon?
You don't have to answer, I'll find out soon enough for myself, but your state of anger and depression could do with a little 'unspoilery' elaboration, if that's possible.
Having read some negative reviews from people who seemed to be expecting a 'xenomorph' and some positive reviews that were more open to a new parallel story in the alien universe, I'm finding myself still siding with positive reviews because with those I can see what's being applauded, whereas the negative reviews aren't saying anything I can get to grips with at all.
Quote from: duckman5150 on May 28, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Ugh...
Not what I wanted to hear.
Do other people's opinions REALLY matter?!?
We're all different, so I say to those who are almost panicking - why don't you judge it when you've seen it for yourselves and not let the reviews of others influence you?
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 08:33:52 PM
So the film blows then?, well not suprising if i'm being honest, i had a feeling it might blow as soon as i saw 7 foot tall humanoid Space Jockeys.
He said he loved it 'til the end.
Hmm......dont know what to think..... :-[ ???
So, could this officially be the nail in the coffin for the franchise? (in your honest opinion)...I'll probably still go and see it but if the story blows (as your experience suggests), I'm not spending the extra money and waste it on the 3D version / IMAX...
Nowadays, the studios think that making a movie in 3D is the way to go....People! if the story blows, no 3D can make help the movie...
Sad news indeed....
Interesting that some pepole liked it though. I am left feeling a little confused...I am not looking for a direct Alien tie-in and I really don't care if Scott has taken some liberties with the SJ's and other cannon of the Alien universe.
Now that i have seen so many "off reviews", I am going to go mad with spoilers trying to figure out how this might have went wrong. Obviously, we are now seeing a bleak consensus but I will still hope for the best.
Ah heck :(
Sorry to hear about that NGR01.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.threadbombing.com%2Fdata%2Fmedia%2F49%2FThe_oc_hug_it_out.gif&hash=a946485eae8b3aac903a4272272a16a4329a1c91)
Come here, pal :)
I very much doubt he's seen it, to be brutally honest. Nothing is revealed in that "review" that hasn't been featured in the trailers or the initial tweets/reviews. And he hasn't come back to answer any of the specific questions.
I'm going to see this on Friday morning - so I've a specific question for this person which will not reveal any spoilers and which we can use to judge the legitimacy of his post.
After the Fox and Scott Free logos appear - is there an onscreen caption at the start of the film telling us where we are and what era it is in?
And what is the very first image in the film, or images?
This is pretty much what I had expected.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 08:47:35 PM
I very much doubt he's seen it, to be brutally honest. Nothing is revealed in that "review" that hasn't been featured in the trailers or the initial tweets/reviews. And he hasn't come back to answer any of the specific questions.
I'm going to see this on Friday morning - so I've a specific question for this person which will not reveal any spoilers and which we can use to judge the legitimacy of his post.
After the Fox and Scott Free logos appear - is there an onscreen caption at the start of the film telling us where we are and what era it is in?
And what is the very first image in the film, or images?
I disagree. He said he'd be back in an hour. We should be patient with a response. Too early to call it a fake.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 08:47:35 PM
I very much doubt he's seen it, to be brutally honest. Nothing is revealed in that "review" that hasn't been featured in the trailers or the initial tweets/reviews. And he hasn't come back to answer any of the specific questions.
I'm going to see this on Friday morning - so I've a specific question for this person which will not reveal any spoilers and which we can use to judge the legitimacy of his post.
After the Fox and Scott Free logos appear - is there an onscreen caption at the start of the film telling us where we are and what era it is in?
And what is the very first image in the film, or images?
I am sure to be put in the cross-hairs for saying this also but..his reasons for disliking the movie do seem kinda like BS. Like I said, doesn't seem to jive with the real critics and nothing solid to point to.
These reviews are really putting me off seeing the film on Friday now. ALIENS is my favorite film of all time, ALIEN is in my top 5, hell even ALIEN 3 is just about in my top 10 and my anticipation for this film has obviously been huge and i don't know if i want to come out of the cinema feeling hugely let down, not with this film series, i had enough of that with Ressurrection. ::)
I'm done reading / watching the trailers.....
For the next week, I'm planning on "cleaning" my brain and see the movie not expecting anything of it...But I must say, several elements I'm NOT comfortable with are the humanoids Jockeys....not feeling it, a lot of talented people on this forums came up with much better concepts!!!
Great to hear from you, I was following your theories for quite some time and am glad you have seen the film. Don't mind the haters, some just don't want to hear the truth. I am still excited for the movie, I just knew that ridley no longer knows how to make a masterpiece.
Really dissapionted on the no human space jockey revelation, I thought that was really an awesome theory regarding weyland. If there are/is a space jockey going through the Prometheus attacking people, this is so faaaar from what I expected the movie to be.
I don't care anymore, spoil me rotten NGR. :P
Is there anything in the movie about the derelict and jockey on LV-426?
What was in the movie about the xenomorph?
(Answers to Cvalda's questions please.)
Thank you very much NGR. You seem to be busy with family so no problem with slow replies.
Quote from: JonesTheCat on May 28, 2012, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: duckman5150 on May 28, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Ugh...
Not what I wanted to hear.
Do other people's opinions REALLY matter?!?
We're all different, so I say to those who are almost panicking - why don't you judge it when you've seen it for yourselves and not let the reviews of others influence you?
No, they don't...I've said before, I like plenty of movies that I think are cool but others universally pan. You and I are in the same boat. Trust me, I really want to find something that I like about this film. I've liked all the viral marketing stuff so far. :)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 08:20:50 PM
Does the xenomorph appear in the film?
Thats what I would like to know to put those expectations behind me and simply enjoy the movie and story, instead of having that question in the back of my mind
NGR07:
Thank you for you patients/time.
do we see other forms of the engineers or any other sentient creatures not shown in trailers?
Are there any other creatures in general that aren't shown in trailers?
How do you feel that the engineers/other creatures were handled, regarding their character development/characteristics, throughout the film?
So the rumours about 'super xeno's' being in the film were wrong as well, unless they were cut out, it does sound like a lot of stuff was cut out of this film to keep the run time down which is a shame.
It seems like we may end up with a 'kingdom of heaven' scenario here. The directors cut should be a real treat.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 26, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
About the movie.
For now what i can say, is that i got out of the theatre angry and almost cried.
I've got nothing to spoil because from the first trailer the movie has been spoiled to us.
I loved it until the last 20/30 minutes, i'm still trying to figure out how the last 2 minutes (Scott probably said 8 minutes because he's including the fight that leads to this moment) are supposed to make the bridge with ALIEN.
If it is what i think it is, it's just lame. My main theorie, the human Engineer is wrong, but i think that when you'll see the movie you're gonna wish it was right... And i'm not bragging...
The creatures i won't even bother...
The opening was beautiful, and there is some really cool moments.
I called the ending.
Lots of stuff is clearly missing, scenes have been clearly modified.
Some characters have their development cleary been cut from the move.
I had expectation going in.
i knew what Scott was doing, some sort of blockbuster version of ALIEN.
I was ok to embrace it. I really wanted to fusking love this movie.
As it is for now i can't.
One thing is sure, when you have great expectations, it is bound to happen some sort of backlash.
So i'm right now processing that, trying to leave my feelings and expectations out and see the movie fresh.
That is why i'm definitly going to see it again.
For me it is not a bad movie, it's a flawed and lazy movie.
Be right back.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Even spoilerific ones.
I don't care anymore.
Don't shoot i'm just the messenger.
Are the creatures really that bad ? damn i was hopin for somethin decent...
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 28, 2012, 09:03:40 PM
It seems like we may end up with a 'kingdom of heaven' scenario here. The directors cut should be a real treat.
That movie was amazing in the directors cut. Whole character stories were cut from the cinema version. Though I have to say, the photography was one of the most beautiful there.
Indeed, I thoroughly enjoyed the cinematography in Kingdom of Heaven. :)
What is the space jockey chair used for?
What happens in the final 2-8 minutes of the movie?
Thanks again NGR!
I need more than great cinematography.....I care more about the story / character development!!!
As for the creatures?.....I seriously doubt it will have anything remotely close to what gave me nightmares when I was a kid...
I don;t care about the "xeno".....give me something disturbing, NON bipedal or snake like....If you guys really think about it, nowadays, all creatures are the same (2 arms / 2 legs...etc)....not a stuff of nightmares....
I would highly recommend people go see it and judge for themselves and not rely on what the critics claim.
Wow, yeah dude thanks a lot for the contact and the feedback.
It's going to be discouraging if many of the better elements in up in a DVD/Blu-Ray Director's Cut, but if they make it in there one way or another, that's fine for me.
I'm getting ready for the old foot-in-the-mouth. :laugh: That's okay, better to have hype and hope until the last possible moment!
I should ave known it as soon as i saw the spacesuits..
:-\here's hoping for him trolling that its disappointing and we go see the movie and are blown away
Quick question NGR01:
How does the atmosphere of the movie feels?
Who dies, how, when, what are the twists, what is Weyland's role, how does the Jockey die? What happens to Shaw? How does it end?
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 09:23:11 PM
I don't care if it is good or bad . I don't care either about whether the connection was clear or anything.
Please just give us the info. Who dies, how, when, what are the twists, what is Weyland's role, how does the Jockey die? What happens to Shaw? How does it end?
My face is ready. ;D
That;s WAY too much info to give!! :laugh:
Anyway, hope he tags them as "spoilers"!!!
AGin thanks for the vote of confidence of some.
If you don't trust me please don't bother posting here.
i'm already in a bad place i don't need you bad vibes about my honesty.
Please i'm asking you dont post.
Thanks.
Quote from: Gash on May 28, 2012, 08:37:59 PM
Ok I read your review and thanks for not putting any spoilers in, but just a question that might be relevant given your reaction. Of the franchise, which was your favourite movie?
ie did you feel let down because it destroys the mystery of the original, or because the links weren't as strong as you'd hoped? Or does it screw with sequel canon?
You don't have to answer, I'll find out soon enough for myself, but your state of anger and depression could do with a little 'unspoilery' elaboration, if that's possible.
Having read some negative reviews from people who seemed to be expecting a 'xenomorph' and some positive reviews that were more open to a new parallel story in the alien universe, I'm finding myself still siding with positive reviews because with those I can see what's being applauded, whereas the negative reviews aren't saying anything I can get to grips with at all.
My favorite is ALIEN.
I was completely ok that Scott decided to explain the mystery, to rationalize it.
I really like Scott concepts for the ENGINEERS.
It's the execution that is lacking. Make of the Engineer some sort of Bmovie bad guy that comes back in the end like Jason (what for?????) was so lame.
ALIEN is a B movie done in top notch way, it did not have any ambition.
PROMETHEUS wants to be high and mighty, quoting mythologies, dealing with gods, Titans.
And to me the story told doesnt do justice to the concepts.
I did not care for xenos, those who wanted one are happy now...
I wanted something that goes the other way not a rehash.
The movie starts like a rehash then it goes to another way.
I was happy, then the path taken was so easy that i got angry.
The movie ends up on an interesting path but seeing what they ve already done they could f**k it up.
Or they can still succeed.
If there is a follow up they still can save it i think.
If there is no sequel.
This is like an apetizer and you never get the main course ever.
Once again i'm not frustrated about the ending where it leads to, i was expecting that.
But the story of the first contact between Prometheus crew and of that poor Engineer i hated it.
Was expecting that it would go wrong, but not in that way.
Hard to not spoil lol
Quote from: nieves50 on May 28, 2012, 08:43:43 PM
Hmm......dont know what to think..... :-[ ???
So, could this officially be the nail in the coffin for the franchise? (in your honest opinion)...I'll probably still go and see it but if the story blows (as your experience suggests), I'm not spending the extra money and waste it on the 3D version / IMAX... Nowadays, the studios think that making a movie in 3D is the way to go....People! if the story blows, no 3D can make help the movie...
Sad news indeed....
Don't think it will be the nail on the coffin.
Broad audience can like the film,it's really the start of a new franchise.
It ends with a cliffhanger.
It's waymuch better than Resurection or the AVP shit.
So no not the end of the franchise.
The 3D was good, not THAT goo tho. No 3D needed 2D is sufficiant.
The movie looks awesome.
Actors ar great.
It's an entertaining flick, the last part of the movie is just too lazy for me
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 28, 2012, 08:47:10 PM
Ah heck :(
Sorry to hear about that NGR01.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.threadbombing.com%2Fdata%2Fmedia%2F49%2FThe_oc_hug_it_out.gif&hash=a946485eae8b3aac903a4272272a16a4329a1c91)
Come here, pal :)
Thanks mate i really needed a hug after the screening.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 08:20:50 PM
Does the xenomorph appear in the film?
Does Shaw die?
Does Holloway die early?
What did you dislike most about the ending?
Spoiler
yes there a xeno, even a proto xeno if what i think is right.
He's lame, but then again he's just a baby...
The worst thing with it, it's that if it's the actual proto xeno.
If it is the origin story for the xeno then it means that the Derelict parked on LV426 in those 30something years that led to ALIEN... Then again the chestbursted 3 sarcophagis are not adressed at all... but something xeno got out of those 2000 years ago (thats when the accident happened in the Engineer's weapon of mass destruction base, this whats is deducted by Janek, yeah Janek is the one that spoonfed this theory to the audience....).
Shaw don't die.
Neither David.
PROMETHEUS 2 the adventures continues yipeeeee!!!!
Holloway doesnt die early.
He was quite likable, i would have liked to see more of him.
His death is to show that the Peter Weyland have no mercy and to jumpstart Shaw's fighting spirit.
Oh also to justify to the audience the fate of evil Vickers...Bouhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Poor Theron... Useless...
About the ending.
I just hated how it was straightforward.
No surprises pure hollywood shit.
Engineer = nemesis from Resident Evil (i'm being harsh there because when we talked about it after the screening we kinda agreed that he was just somesort of random soldier not THE ENGINEER if you see what i mean, he was just like the space jockey, a simple pilot or soldier with a mission to execute).
Those supposed question left answered are lame because you can answer them right on the spot they are asked.
f**k YOU LINDELOF you did not deliver the goods.
I hated the suposed link to ALIEN.
Quote from: nieves50 on May 28, 2012, 09:24:47 PM
That;s WAY too much info to give!! :laugh:
Anyway, hope he tags them as "spoilers"!!!
Yeah, I only wanna know if xeno appears in some form, and what it really is. I dont wanna go to the movie to see answers, I wanna go, forget those burning fanboy questions, know the answer and simply sit and enjoy the story, having the fanboy curiosity about the alien and its origins behind me
Do we still get to see an old Peter Weyland in either his opening recording or the rest of the film?
NGR01 was that a real review from you?, sorry I'm confused.
Tell me was the movie pretty good?.
How do they piss of the Engineer ?
Thanks for the answers, NGR01! What happens with Shaw that leads to her having the squidbaby, and what does SquidBaby end up doing? What role does Weyland play in the film?
so the surprise is there is no surprise at all :D
So overall it looks like a decent film....That's ok with me....
Refusing to see the spoiler tags since it;s close to the release here in the US....
Looks like there will be a "xeno"....personally, I'm indifferent to the idea...Again, what matters is the story and how its presented....
One other question, if you don't mind: what point in the film does Jerry Goldsmith's theme from ALIEN play, and what happens in that scene?
in the hologram sequence what are they running away from?
can you describe the xeno? where does it come from?
how does that tentacle creature from the tv spots look like in full?
This is hilarious - this guy cannot, CANNOT give a straight answer to any question.
I'll ask again so we can establish your bona fides: what are the very first images in the film? What is the onscreen title, if indeed there is one?
IF you come back and say that you can't remember or you got to your seat late, then you'll be exposed as a waffler.
Or rather let's try something specific - HOW does Holloway die? HOW does Ford die?
Use spoiler tags by all means....
Sorry to hear that your day turned out so bad after so much anticipation. That is one of the worst things you can ask for.
Thanks for taking the time to write out that review and spoiler review after a hard day. Huge kudos to you man.
This thread went south fast. Lol
Thanks for the answers NGR:)
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
This is hilarious - this guy cannot, CANNOT give a straight answer to any question.
Or rather let's try something specific - HOW does Holloway die? HOW does Ford die?
Use spoiler tags by all means....
I think he says fairly directly
Spoiler
that Peter Weyland kills Holloway.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
This is hilarious - this guy cannot, CANNOT give a straight answer to any question.
I'll ask again so we can establish your bona fides: what are the very first images in the film? What is the onscreen title, if indeed there is one?
IF you come back and say that you can't remember or you got to your seat late, then you'll be exposed as a waffler.
Or rather let's try something specific - HOW does Holloway die? HOW does Ford die?
Use spoiler tags by all means....
There's another guy over on PrometheusForum named RaidenReloaded that's giving a very suspicious story. I'll reserve judgment on NGR01's claims for a little while longer.
So... What was Vickers hidden agenda? :laugh:
Okay...I've heard enough and I am asking you to pull the plug (parker voice). This guy is full of $*i&...
My judgement is in.
Thanks for all of the poop, man. Sorry you're having a hard time. Glad you're not a troll, but it had to be expected... the internet is a batshit crazy place. :laugh:
From what I gather:
Spoiler
The performances and characters are solid, maybe even great. Haven't really seen anything to indicate otherwise. Atmosphere and effects also sound very sweet. The story seems like it's got some holes, and the ending sounds underwhelming from many reviews and points of view.
My guess is they cut out some things to make a lot of room for a sequel. I like this, as well as the mystery it could add to the story, but this "mystery" has to be done right, with the right pieces in place and a very solid movie to back them up. If they come across as oversights or glaring holes in the plot, kind of lazy storytelling, that will be a mighty disappointment.
Oh well, I'm still hyped for the overall high quality of the film and the performances from the actors. FX have got me on the fence, but my curiosity remains solid. New creatures are always a great thing, and even if they leave many things unanswered or show us the Jock as some sort of thoughtless monster, at least they leave it open for future exploration.
Just let the film quality be high enough where people give it a fair shake! Story can be lacking as f**k, imo. Sad but how I feel about it.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
This is hilarious - this guy cannot, CANNOT give a straight answer to any question.
I'll ask again so we can establish your bona fides: what are the very first images in the film? What is the onscreen title, if indeed there is one?
IF you come back and say that you can't remember or you got to your seat late, then you'll be exposed as a waffler.
Or rather let's try something specific - HOW does Holloway die? HOW does Ford die?
Use spoiler tags by all means....
Don't be a dick.
Quote from: Vickers Valiant on May 28, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
This is hilarious - this guy cannot, CANNOT give a straight answer to any question.
I'll ask again so we can establish your bona fides: what are the very first images in the film? What is the onscreen title, if indeed there is one?
IF you come back and say that you can't remember or you got to your seat late, then you'll be exposed as a waffler.
Or rather let's try something specific - HOW does Holloway die? HOW does Ford die?
Use spoiler tags by all means....
There's another guy over on PrometheusForum named RaidenReloaded that's giving a very suspicious story. I'll reserve judgment on NGR01's claims for a little while longer.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were the same person. Same fractured English, same vagueness in giving answers, same excuse at not remembering things....
Same BS frankly. But they've lost the run of themselves, and we'll all know on Friday when I get to see it and can test their claims - particularly their vague but rather specific crap about Ford being killed "at the climax" by the Engineer, Peter Weyland being killed by the Engineer, Peter Weyland killing Holloway... As for that last point - I KNOW that is fake.
I would prefer to have full spoiling, so if you (NGR01) or anyone else in this thread who has seen would PM me or place it in spoiler tags I'd be eternally grateful.
^^thanks for clarifying the situation, because I have been so dam confused. It must be the translation from French to English??? Making my head explode
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: Vickers Valiant on May 28, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
This is hilarious - this guy cannot, CANNOT give a straight answer to any question.
I'll ask again so we can establish your bona fides: what are the very first images in the film? What is the onscreen title, if indeed there is one?
IF you come back and say that you can't remember or you got to your seat late, then you'll be exposed as a waffler.
Or rather let's try something specific - HOW does Holloway die? HOW does Ford die?
Use spoiler tags by all means....
There's another guy over on PrometheusForum named RaidenReloaded that's giving a very suspicious story. I'll reserve judgment on NGR01's claims for a little while longer.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were the same person. Same fractured English, same vagueness in giving answers, same excuse at not remembering things....
Same BS frankly. But they've lost the run of themselves, and we'll all know on Friday when I get to see it and can test their claims - particularly their vague but rather specific crap about Ford being killed "at the climax" by the Engineer, Peter Weyland being killed by the Engineer, Peter Weyland killing Holloway... As for that last point - I KNOW that is fake.
How would you know that ?
Genuine curiosity
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:48:42 PM
Peter Weyland killing Holloway... As for that last point - I KNOW that is fake.
Ok - well he is being more specific thatn Twitter girl and I don't see why he would have any motivation to do such a major troll after being on the forums for three months.
As for that last point - how do you KNOW it is false? I hope you are not referring to the video where Holloway gets torched by Vickers, because we don't even know if that is Holloway, or if it is, that he dies then and there.
As a matter of fact, the Raiden guy just contradicted himself (although he made his previous answer intentionally vague, so I guess that's his alibi). He said that there were only about 4 different creatures in the movie, then went on to describe them. Now, when someone brings up the snakes/cobraburster (which he had not previously mentioned in his creature-describing post), he says that "The snakes are some creatures among others and we don't see them so much time."
I find it hard to believe that this guy would have forgotten about the snakes in his earlier post. Actually, going through all of his responses, it seems like he's magically "forgotten" a questionable amount of information for a movie that he's seen what, 7 hours ago?
Of course, he could still be legit (and just have a horrible memory), but his strangely vague answers and forgetfulness is suspicious as hell.
EDIT: He also mentions different stages of "infections" when asked about the movie's creatures, then rescinds and goes on to speak vaguely of the different creatures. This guy smells fishy.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
Spoiler
This is hilarious - this guy cannot, CANNOT give a straight answer to any question.
I'll ask again so we can establish your bona fides: what are the very first images in the film? What is the onscreen title, if indeed there is one?
IF you come back and say that you can't remember or you got to your seat late, then you'll be exposed as a waffler.
Or rather let's try something specific - HOW does Holloway die? HOW does Ford die?
Use spoiler tags by all means....
I am not gonna lie. He does seem like he's seen the movie, but his answers are really vague.
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
I am reading the massive 50+ page post on Prom, and it looks like there are quite a few descriptions of what is going on in the film.
Well, how exactly did Holloway perish? Did weyland order some red shirts to turn him into sushi?
Quote from: Vickers Valiant on May 28, 2012, 09:54:06 PM
As a matter of fact, the Raiden guy just contradicted himself (although he made his previous answer intentionally vague, so I guess that's his alibi). He said that there were only about 4 different creatures in the movie, then went on to describe them. Now, when someone brings up the snakes/cobraburster (which he had not previously mentioned in his creature-describing post), he says that "The snakes are some creatures among others and we don't see them so much time."
I find it hard to believe that this guy would have forgotten about the snakes in his earlier post. Actually, going through all of his responses, it seems like he's magically "forgotten" a questionable amount of information for a movie that he's seen what, 7 hours ago?
Of course, he could still be legit (and just have a horrible memory), but his strangely vague answers and forgetfulness is suspicious as hell.
Agree 110%...reeks of fabrication. Right from the part about wanting to cry...Pure BS.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 09:56:32 PM
I am reading the massive 50+ page post on Prom, and it looks like there are quite a few descriptions of what is going on in the film.
Link?
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
NGR07:
Thank you for you patients/time.
do we see other forms of the engineers or any other sentient creatures not shown in trailers?
Are there any other creatures in general that aren't shown in trailers?
How do you feel that the engineers/other creatures were handled, regarding their character development/characteristics, throughout the film?
You're welcome.
Spoiler
No other Engineers nor sentient creatures.
If you have seen the tv spot with the tentacle thing, then thats it.
Snake (worms actually lol), crazy mutant, Engineer, octopus, one xeno or proto xeno.
Loved the Engineer design, how they acted, they looked not how he ended up like jason.
Quote from: Predaker on May 28, 2012, 09:11:05 PM
What is the space jockey chair used for?
What happens in the final 2-8 minutes of the movie?
Thanks again NGR!
it's a pilot seat.
Thats it.
Answered about the last 2/8 minutes in my previous post.
Quote from: nieves50 on May 28, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
I need more than great cinematography.....I care more about the story / character development!!!
As for the creatures?.....I seriously doubt it will have anything remotely close to what gave me nightmares when I was a kid...
I don;t care about the "xeno".....give me something disturbing, NON bipedal or snake like....If you guys really think about it, nowadays, all creatures are the same (2 arms / 2 legs...etc)....not a stuff of nightmares....
I would have prefered that the movie focuses only on the Engineers and don't feel obliged to include creatures.
You already seen the creatures from trailer, they are mundane, nothing much.
The only unseen one is the final one it's on screen for 1 minute maybe, its a baby, he's ADI crap.
Neville Page sucks, Carlos Huante sucks, expecially Scott sucks for accepting or asking for this.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 28, 2012, 09:17:21 PM
I would highly recommend people go see it and judge for themselves and not rely on what the critics claim.
Could not agree more.
This is MY opinion, this how ME i felt the movie.
Go see it.
I ll be definitly jealous of those who love it.
Quote from: nieves50 on May 28, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
Quick question NGR01:
How does the atmosphere of the movie feels?
I loved the look, the music of the movie.
The shift of tone. At first with the majestic LIFE from the OST you get the amazement,the power of the journey.
Almost Spielberg like if you see what i mean.
The opening of the movie gave me chills.
The first shot is an hommage to 2001.
Then it get all weird and scary and sometime really bleak.
There are some really powerfull moment that still make my heart race when i think about them.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 09:23:11 PM
Who dies, how, when, what are the twists, what is Weyland's role, how does the Jockey die? What happens to Shaw? How does it end?
Lol
I will not answer all.
Too much work LOL.
Here's a few answers.
Spoiler
Everyone dies but Shaw and David (he's got his head severed tho the clever bastard).
Weyland wants to be saved by his creators, his only input is when (it's suggested) he orders David to infect someone from the crew (Holloway), other than that he's useless he dies killed by the Engineer and thats it.
Why they used Guy Pierce, save from his talent, i wonder.
I know a lot of old actors who are top notch too...
Jockey dies killed by the giant octopus born from Shaw (who by a twisted trick of fate is sterile).
David is great, he's a reall piece of work.
He's obeying his master orders wich makes hiom do very questionable thing, infecting holloway being the main one, then he's got some sort of bonding with Shaw. After all is said and done.
He offers to Shaw a chance to escape from the planet.
Thansk to his knowledge of the Engineer tech he's gonna help Shaw get to PARADISE...
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
Looks like it was Ridley who was trolling us all this time. >:(
Should have known his deception stretched beyond saying Guy Pearce was only in the film for a minute.
LOL actually I have no idea if I believe that at all.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
Interesting...would be cool if it were true.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
LOL actually I have no idea if I believe that at all.
I honestly don't know what the f**k to believe right now. Just gonna wait till Friday. :P
NGR01 i understand you ignoring some nonbelievers but if you don't answer some questions, like the first shot of the film, they'll never believe you.
I guess it's time to play the waiting game, now.
Wow.
Thank you very much, NGR.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
Looks like it was Ridley who was trolling us all this time. >:(
Should have known his deception stretched beyond saying Guy Pearce was only in the film for a minute.
LOL actually I have no idea if I believe that at all.
Come on man... That would be great if they could actuall keep a secret like that. In todays age...it would be amazing actually.
Clickin' them spoiler tags, I see, First Blood :laugh: ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
As i said months ago and was told i was wrong on here, although it can't really be right if all this takes place on LV-223 or whatever its called.
I was kind of hoping i was wrong with that ending as its all a bit too AVP for me.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
Clickin' them spoiler tags, I see, First Blood :laugh: ;)
Guilty as charged. :laugh:
@NGR01
So Weyland gets David to infect Holloway?
So how come Holloway is found infected in the pyramid after investigating the strange bowl by Shaw?
Bzzzt! Wrong!!
Spoiler
Funny I said he looked like Nemisis from RE when the picture of him burned showed up on the internet. Kinda sucks to know I was right. Oh well.
NGR01 real big thanks for taking the time to write all this stuff out. I know it takes longer than it looks.
From what you said - it really does look like what happened in the trailers is what happened in the movie.
Ooo! Ooo! Last question - its been really bothering me if you could -
How does Fifield become infected? Mega thanks in advance. Don't want to bother you though - it is late.
Quote from: fiveways on May 28, 2012, 10:05:55 PM
Spoiler
Funny I said he looked like Nemisis from RE when the picture of him burned showed up on the internet. Kinda sucks to know I was right. Oh well.
I remembered that. :D The only reason I knew who he was.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
BS don't bother.
I never said Peter Weyland kills Holloway.
Please read me carrefully.
As for those who think i'm lying then f**k you.
I have it with stupid peoplelike you doubting me.
Wait for friday and see it.
Leave me be until then.
Thanks.
You're asking all a lot so please let me the time to answer.
Thanks ;)
Yeah I read it as something more like Holloways death is an example of the company being bad.
NGR01 was the movie any good, how did you feel about it?.
Was it much better then the AVP's.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
@NGR01
So Weyland gets David to infect Holloway?
So how come Holloway is found infected in the pyramid after investigating the strange bowl by Shaw?
Bzzzt! Wrong!!
Well when you catch a cold you get it a few days before symptoms show up. So it is not "Bzt wrong." Holloway is infected, goes to the temple the next day and by that point the infection has spread.
Quote from: Predaker on May 28, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
Yeah I read it as something more like Holloways death is an example of the company being bad.
That's what I thought because he was talking about Holloways role and then something about him being used to show how Weyland is evil. I guess he meant he is infected for Weyland's sake, but meant nothing more than that.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
BS don't bother.
As for those who think i'm lying then f**k you.
I have it with stupid peoplelike you doubting me.
Wait for friday and see it.
Leave me be until then.
Thanks.
You're asking all a lot so please let me the time to answer.
Thanks ;)
Don't know if that's directed at me.
If you've seen my other posts in this thread (this is only the 3rd one), i do in fact trust you. I was just pointing out that you skipped a question i myself was wanting to hear the answer to. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I don't think "f**k you" is an appropriate response towards anybody.
This is the internet. Trolls are about anywhere. Can you really blame people for being skeptical towards your review? Just like you called out the other guy as bullshit. Once again, just playing devil's advocate.
Thanks for taking the time to talk with us.
Spoiler
Weyland orders David to infect Charlie. Once they arrive in the temple it gets worse, and they try to bring him back on the ship. Vickers says No and torches him. My theory.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
BS don't bother.
I never said Peter Weyland kills Holloway.
Please read me carrefully.
As for those who think i'm lying then f**k you.
I have it with stupid peoplelike you doubting me.
Wait for friday and see it.
Leave me be until then.
Thanks.
You're asking all a lot so please let me the time to answer.
Thanks ;)
I'll ask again: Fox and Scott Free logo - then what? What are the opening images and title card?
It's a simple question. But for some strange reason you seem to be ignoring it.
Quote from: Predaker on May 28, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
Spoiler
Weyland orders David to infect Charlie. Once they arrive in the temple it gets worse, and they try to bring him back on the ship. Vickers says No and torches him. My theory.
Of course this possible. That is what I was thinking especially if other strange stuff happened before hand, like maybe Fifield getting infected, or Milburn's face being melted off.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 10:14:10 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Another poster in PrometheusForum also spilling. HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Spoiler
Derelict in the trailer is the derelict from ALIEN
Film ends with the jockeyburster...
BS don't bother.
I never said Peter Weyland kills Holloway.
Please read me carrefully.
As for those who think i'm lying then f**k you.
I have it with stupid peoplelike you doubting me.
Wait for friday and see it.
Leave me be until then.
Thanks.
You're asking all a lot so please let me the time to answer.
Thanks ;)
I'll ask again: Fox and Scott Free logo - then what? What are the opening images and title card?
It's a simple question. But for some strange reason you seem to be ignoring it.
He doesn't have to prove himself to anyone. Many people are asking lots of questions.
Quote from: duckman5150 on May 28, 2012, 09:57:40 PM
Link?
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers/p11 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers/p11)
Quote from: JonesTheCat on May 28, 2012, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: duckman5150 on May 28, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Ugh...
Not what I wanted to hear.
Do other people's opinions REALLY matter?!?
We're all different, so I say to those who are almost panicking - why don't you judge it when you've seen it for yourselves and not let the reviews of others influence you?
Plus movie databases.. People's taste is in fact taste of someone else.
Hmmm...
Are all 5 temples explored during the duration of the movie? Also, how many trips to the temple(s) do they take?
... please respond.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on May 28, 2012, 10:03:36 PM
NGR01 i understand you ignoring some nonbelievers but if you don't answer some questions, like the first shot of the film, they'll never believe you.
I guess it's time to play the waiting game, now.
I already answered that question.
But i will indulge you.
Spoiler
The theme LIFE opens the movie.
You see dark side of Earth right in the middle of the screen.
We zoom in as the light begins to shine.
Pure 2001 like shot.
Then its a montage of a newborn Earth, icelandic scenary.
We move ahead, as if we were flying toward a destination.
Then a shadow can be seen....
Looks like we were in the POV of a spaceship.
Then we get the waterfall shot revealing the saucer ship, that has actually an almond shape.
Then the cloaked Engineer walks toward the waterfall.
Behind him we see the almond shaped ship leavin its tip toward the sky.
The Engineer open a bowl, inside it some dark stuff, same as the one from the urns.
He drinks it.
He start to disintagrate.
We zoom on his arm, then into his arm, inside his cells, we see the DNA shattering.
Then we see him, it's quite painfull and gory (even if his blood is now black).
His leg shatters, he falls from the cliff into the water, he dissolves completely.
Mixing with the water.
Zomm into the black water.
DND recombine itself, cells are born.
PROMETHEUS tittle card appear.
Happy now ?
:)
Loved that scene.
Thanks a lot man. Sorry that i've skipped over it.
How does Vickers die, and how does Ford die? Thanks!
Well, firstly I thank NGR01 for your honest review of a film so many of us have waited for and that promised so much. While it is disappointing to get such negative feed back, even though you haven't actually given much away, the fact you reveal so much has been spoilt for us in "trailers" is the most disappointing thing of all. This is the one thing I never expected and surely should NEVER happen in a high profile film like this.
Of course everyone still needs to be their own judge of this film, but we all need to take a step back right now. This reveal by NRG01 is still important, a guy who is still one of us as far as I'm concerned and people need to stop dissing him just because they don't like what they hear. I may point out, the truth hurts and we ALL acknowledged a LONG time ago a number of factors could see this movie held back, even taken outside of Scott's control. Old Riddles himself isn't perfect, we know that too, but I can't help wondering (purely based on what NGR01 has told us) did the following elements really conspire against Scott in any way!!
First there's writer Damon Lindelof, the guy so many loved to hate (including me) over his LOST series which very few even understood by the end and even he admits made mistakes. Why was this guy brought in at all, to finish a screenplay that was already done! What did Lindelof really give Prometheus that could have brought it down, more worryingly what did he take away! Was it just a lack of knowledge with what he was dealing with, which ultimately led to lack of answers or worse, lame answers to important questions then go figure!
Then of course there's the other man everyone loves to hate, mostly because this is the guy most likely to screw up Prometheus. I won't even mention his name, but it does seem clear this person may have had the movie cut to a specific running time to suite viewing times rather than suite anything to do with the movie....suprise, suprise! Did FOX have any agenda with this movie, was the R rating just a smoke screen to please on-looking fans, why is it even French reviewers are indicating most characters are under-developed and the film doesn't seem long enough
Anyway, I'm sure we'll all be posting our thoughts in dew course, and we'll all be very different. Even though I haven't seen the movie yet, it's hard not to raise my expectation, especially as I'm probably a minority here who was around to see Alien back in '79. I will always be disappointed Prometheus wasn't a direct prequel I won't deny that, but then I think that story was always going to be harder to write anyway. In a way it doesn't hurt to be reminded that, even after 30 years of waiting for Prometheus to come along, I as an ALIEN fan shouldn't expect too much just because Ridley Scott is at the helm. Yes it should make a difference, but the sad truth is the name of the game is to make money, and the vibe I'm getting here is FOX have fooled everyone who wanted something out of this movie. So now I'm going in with an open mind, as long as I see a great movie that makes sense, given something to root for, answers enough questions, keeps me entertained and isn't just pop corn stuff then I'm happy.
I have just one question that wasn't answered before I started writing this comment, so apologies if it has been since:
All I want to know is did Ridley Scott REALLY answer the question he said started off the making of Prometheus in the first place... does he really tell us (cryptically or otherwise) what happened to the Jockey in the chair from ALIEN???
(yes or no will do)
Cheers
RoaryUK
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
How does Vickers die, and how does Ford die? How does Fifield become infected? Thanks!
YES ! Please only these questions answer and then off to bed.
RoaryUK
You're welcome mate.
No he doesnt adress directly the Derelict.
Spoiler
To me i think we can deduct what happened from what happened to the Engineer station.
The 3 chestbursted sarcophagis leave no doubt.
For the moment my take is that, Engineers were killed by their latest bioweapon, the xenos.
Some fled the base, the Space jockey but he was already infected.
Then again it could be possible that The Derelict did not landed yet on LV426 wich mean it might be answered in PROMETHEUS 2.
As for my harsh comments about the non believer.
Please remember how i participated the forums this last year and try to imagine how do i feel when i see the movie and i end up (for the moment not liking it) then come back here and be called a lier.
So please excuse my burst of anger.
And those to come ^^
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
How does Vickers die, and how does Ford die? How does Fifield become infected? Thanks!
YES ! Please only these questions answer and then off to bed.
LOL, Qwertify! :D
I see what you did there.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
How does Vickers die, and how does Ford die? How does Fifield become infected? Thanks!
YES ! Please only these questions answer and then off to bed.
We are such a bunch of suckers for spoilers ;D
This doesn't sound as spectacular as I was hoping for.
While none of your spoilers,
except for the "Jason" allusion, seem to turn me off too much,
All can be forgiven if the Jockey is handled well.
Do we get to learn about their/race/culture at length?
Is there verbal communication between the crew and the Jockey?
Does the SJ feel like a cop-out?
PS still wish he looked like his suit.
@NGR01
Again nothing that wasn't in the trailer - what is the opening title - does it say "Earth 20 billion years ago" or something like that.
Answer that and you're home and hosed.
Does the engineer talk like pootietang?
^hEh
Just reminding people to use spoiler tags :)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:31:17 PM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
How does Vickers die, and how does Ford die? How does Fifield become infected? Thanks!
YES ! Please only these questions answer and then off to bed.
LOL, Qwertify! :D I see what you did there.
;) Nice set BTW. I love corn!
Quote from: Predaker on May 28, 2012, 10:34:44 PM
Does the engineer talk like pootietang?
The post-midnight delirium is setting in.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on May 28, 2012, 10:34:37 PM
@NGR01
Again nothing that wasn't in the trailer - what is the opening title - does it say "Earth 20 billion years ago" or something like that.
Answer that and you're home and hosed.
I doub't it says that seen as though the Earth is only 4.5 billion years old!. ;D
Thanks a lot NGRO01: one final question, who do you think is more responsible for this failure, is it Lindelf**koff or aging Scott? Who the f**k butchered the legend? :D
How does the proto-xeno look like?
Why does the engineer start killing people? what was its mission? and how
Spoiler
does it get infected. what is the final scene of the film?
Also, do we see the beast that is crouched next to the engineer in the mural?
Little disappointed that movie ends with
Spoiler
jockeyburster
, lazy writing.
How does Vickers die and and what happens to Fifield?
Two questions concerning the Engineers:
1. What are their eyes like? Pure black (no iris)? Do they have pupils?
2. Do they speak or at all communicate in the movie?
How often is Weyland seen?
Some of the answers given here and on Prometheusforum.net seem so vague (and so similar) that i'm not even sure that these people have even seen the film, we will know soon enough either way.
Wow, is PrometheusForum.net down for anybody else? :laugh:
Kind of spooky, maybe they spilled too many bean!
:'(
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 11:02:34 PM
Wow, is PrometheusForum.net down for anybody else? :laugh:
Kind of spooky, maybe they spilled too many bean!
Nothing is being spiller there.
It is up for me.
Those vague reviews are very irritating.
Up for me as well.
These guys aren't giving us the answers we need. Someone send MudButt to hunt them down.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:31:17 PM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
How does Vickers die, and how does Ford die? How does Fifield become infected? Thanks!
YES ! Please only these questions answer and then off to bed.
LOL, Qwertify! :D I see what you did there.
Spoiler
Vickers gets crushed by the Juggernaut LOL yep it's that lame.
Especially since she's not really a bad person.
Ford gets thrown away by the Engineer, he and the Mercenary too.
They hit the walls of the Pilot room.
You don't even see them dead since we are focused on Shaw escaping the taking off Juggernaut.
You just suppose they are dead.
Pretty lame right?
Fifield and Millburn are the Brett and Parker of the movie (or more like the 2 guys from DUDE WHERE IS MY CAR?).
What happens is that they don't know each others, Millburn is trying to make friend and basically Fifield says "i just woke up from a 2 years sleep, i'm here for money not to make friend".
Everyone goes for the 1rst expedition.
Fifield sends his probes.
Wich lead them in some direction.
David stays a bit behind, he see Engineer carvings, he understand them, touch them and activates the holograms running.
Shaw and Holloway follow the last running engineer, who falls dead right at the sas door that leads to the Head room.
The sas closes and cut his head.
They discover his headless body.
Fifield gets scared and says f**k you i did not come here to invistigate giant dead bodies, i'm here for rocks, just rocks!
He talks Millburn to get back with him to the ship.
You then follow Ford, Shaw, David and Holloway into the Ampule room (that David has opened, even if Shaw said to wait "oops" says that Bastard David).
Stuff happens.
Then they are informed a storm is coming they have to get back.
Ford and Shaw take the head, David steal an Ampule without telling the others.
They go back to the ship, storms hit, Shaw flee in the air trying to grab the head bag, holloway help her, David saves the day...
They think Fifield and Millburn made it back.
But no lol those two loonies got lost inside the temple (Fifield being the probe guy i wonder how they get lost, but whatever). They are informed by Janek that they can send a search party now and have to wait next day inside the temple. They are scare shitless when they stumble upon a mass of dead enginers in suit body, pilled one upon another scratching on a closed door. later janek tells them that one of the probe is picking up a lifeform 1 click west.
Again you can hear them scared (the tone of their scene is pretty light hearted even Janek is like having fun with them).
They go back to the Head room, Fifield has smoke inside his helmet, Millburn ask if thats a cigarette/nicotine in his filter, by the way Fifield act it looks more like ganja... LOL
The the snake appear.
The Snakes are actually worms that have been borught by the humans when they entered the head room wich was sealed (the change in atmosphere f**ks up the murals, wich you see only that Engineer reaching or morphing into something no more btw, and also with urns wich are now leaking like crazy).
The worms got infected by the black goo and muted into those cobralien.
Millburn plays with it, it attach to its arm, break it and the bone rip the suit.
Fifield cuts it, it spread acid on its helmet, he falls to his knee.
Another head develops from the severed cobralien.
He get into Millburn suit and you've seen the rest.
Stuff happens in the Prometheus and its until they get back the second time, this time David go on his own way toward the sleeping Engineer, that Holloway start to really feel the infection.
Shaw urges them to get back to save Holloway.
Ford and 2 other guys (mercs or chances i dont remember) discovers Millburn and Fifield.
The cobralien jumps out from the mouth and escapes back into the dark goo water.
They rush back to the ship leaving the bodie.
Vickers refuses the let them in, she holds the flame thrower, Janek who was with the party is angry he orders his men to open the doors.
Holloway is on his knees then push back Shaw, he accept his fate.
Do it he says to Vickers, wich is scared and horrified, but she has to do it.
Holloway walks toward his death.
Shaw is sobbing.
Later inside the ship Janek notices that Fifield cam is on and right outside the ship.
One crew member opens the doors and go to check casually.
Fifield is on the floor, his legs arched toward his head (like a scorpion if you see what i mean).
The crew member is scared, he looks at his face, then Fifield attacks him breaking his helmet.
Hell break loose.
They torch him.
Meanwhile Shaw is using the medpod, she had been sedated by David who knew that she was infected.
Something is growing in her.
He wants to freeze her and bring her back to Earth.
When i say he, i mean David obeying his master.
She wakes up, hit ford and a merc and goes to the medpod.
Thats was long ^^
I got carried away lol
Quote from: Ruzena on May 28, 2012, 10:49:45 PM
Thanks a lot NGRO01: one final question, who do you think is more responsible for this failure, is it Lindelf**koff or aging Scott? Who the f**k butchered the legend? :D
To me the captain is Scott.
So it's his fault.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 11:02:34 PM
Kind of spooky, maybe they spilled too many bean!
Skynet is taking over.
*NUDGE NUDGE*
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:07:20 PM
Spoiler
Vickers gets crushed by the Juggernaut LOL yep it's that lame.
Especially since she's not really a bad person.
Ford gets thrown away by the Engineer, he and the Mercenary too.
They hit the walls of the Pilot room.
You don't even see them dead since we are focused on Shaw escaping the taking off Juggernaut.
You just suppose they are dead.
Pretty lame right?
Fifield and Millburn are the Brett and Parker of the movie (or more like the 2 guys from DUDE WHERE IS MY CAR?).
What happens is that they don't know each others, Millburn is trying to make friend and basically Fifield says "i just woke up from a 2 years sleep, i'm here for money not to make friend".
Everyone goes for the 1rst expedition.
Fifield sends his probes.
Wich lead them in some direction.
David stays a bit behind, he see Engineer carvings, he understand them, touch them and activates the holograms running.
Shaw and Holloway follow the last running engineer, who falls dead right at the sas door that leads to the Head room.
The sas closes and cut his head.
They discover his headless body.
Fifield gets scared and says f**k you i did not come here to invistigate giant dead bodies, i'm here for rocks, just rocks!
He talks Millburn to get back with him to the ship.
You then follow Ford, Shaw, David and Holloway into the Ampule room (that David has opened, even if Shaw said to wait "oops" says that Bastard David).
Stuff happens.
Then they are informed a storm is coming they have to get back.
Ford and Shaw take the head, David steal an Ampule without telling the others.
They go back to the ship, storms hit, Shaw flee in the air trying to grab the head bag, holloway help her, David saves the day...
They think Fifield and Millburn made it back.
But no lol those two loonies got lost inside the temple (Fifield being the probe guy i wonder how they get lost, but whatever). They are informed by Janek that they can send a search party now and have to wait next day inside the temple. They are scare shitless when they stumble upon a mass of dead enginers in suit body, pilled one upon another scratching on a closed door. later janek tells them that one of the probe is picking up a lifeform 1 click west.
Again you can hear them scared (the tone of their scene is pretty light hearted even Janek is like having fun with them).
They go back to the Head room, Fifield has smoke inside his helmet, Millburn ask if thats a cigarette/nicotine in his filter, by the way Fifield act it looks more like ganja... LOL
The the snake appear.
The Snakes are actually worms that have been borught by the humans when they entered the head room wich was sealed (the change in atmosphere f**ks up the murals, wich you see only that Engineer reaching or morphing into something no more btw, and also with urns wich are now leaking like crazy).
The worms got infected by the black goo and muted into those cobralien.
Millburn plays with it, it attach to its arm, break it and the bone rip the suit.
Fifield cuts it, it spread acid on its helmet, he falls to his knee.
Another head develops from the severed cobralien.
He get into Millburn suit and you've seen the rest.
Stuff happens in the Prometheus and its until they get back the second time, this time David go on his own way toward the sleeping Engineer, that Holloway start to really feel the infection.
Shaw urges them to get back to save Holloway.
Ford and 2 other guys (mercs or chances i dont remember) discovers Millburn and Fifield.
The cobralien jumps out from the mouth and escapes back into the dark goo water.
They rush back to the ship leaving the bodie.
Vickers refuses the let them in, she holds the flame thrower, Janek who was with the party is angry he orders his men to open the doors.
Holloway is on his knees then push back Shaw, he accept his fate.
Do it he says to Vickers, wich is scared and horrified, but she has to do it.
Holloway walks toward his death.
Shaw is sobbing.
Later inside the ship Janek notices that Fifield cam is on and right outside the ship.
One crew member opens the doors and go to check casually.
Fifield is on the floor, his legs arched toward his head (like a scorpion if you see what i mean).
The crew member is scared, he looks at his face, then Fifield attacks him breaking his helmet.
Hell break loose.
They torch him.
Meanwhile Shaw is using the medpod, she had been sedated by David who knew that she was infected.
Something is growing in her.
He wants to freeze her and bring her back to Earth.
When i say he, i mean David obeying his master.
She wakes up, hit ford and a merc and goes to the medpod.
Thats was long ^^
I got carried away lol
Quote from: Ruzena on May 28, 2012, 10:49:45 PM
Thanks a lot NGRO01: one final question, who do you think is more responsible for this failure, is it Lindelf**koff or aging Scott? Who the f**k butchered the legend? :D
To me the captain is Scott.
So it's his fault.
Seriously ???
Spoiler
Why the hell they even made a poster where she survives after the crash so? (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.mos.totalfilm.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2Fgorgeous-new-prometheus-poster-online-now-103157-470-75.jpg&hash=45060c576bb0bce5a7e112c5212aa385b4da0039)
Vurreh inturrestin'... Thanks NGR01.
What is it exactly that made you dislike the film so much and upset you? All of this sounds pretty okay to me.
Quote from: Wernest on May 28, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
How does the proto-xeno look like?
Spoiler
Not sure if he's a xeno or something else new.
Like a xeno, weaker since just newborn, but as big as a human already.
Like a xeno but no mouth, his head was fully covered.
Then the front kinda peels, revealing like a horse mouth.
See what i mean?
Spoiler
How does Weyland die? Again my apologies if you answered it, didn't see earlier.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: Wernest on May 28, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
How does the proto-xeno look like?
Spoiler
Not sure if he's a xeno or something else new.
Like a xeno, weaker since just newborn, but as big as a human already.
Like a xeno but no mouth, his head was fully covered.
Then the front kinda peels, revealing like a horse mouth.
See what i mean?
Like the Queen-looking thing on the murals?
Still can't get on to PF.net! wtf? How weird.
Getting a can't find server error. Too much traffic, maybe?
Working for me, Dragon. Don't worry, no updates. Their informant has gone quiet.
Mr. NGR01,
From the trailers Prometheus looks much cleaner and brighter than the standard "grungy scifi" movie. Did the movie come off like that in the theater? If it did, do you think it changed the overall mood of the film in your eyes?
Thanks for the info.
Can you tell me the following about the Last Engineer:
(1) What was his mission - you referred to him as a soldier
(2) Why did he turn on the humans
(3) How does he get infected
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 28, 2012, 10:52:07 PM
Why does the engineer start killing people? what was its mission? and how Spoiler
does it get infected. what is the final scene of the film?
Also, do we see the beast that is crouched next to the engineer in the mural?
Spoiler
Weyland, David, a Merc, Ford and Shaw go the pilot room.
David activates the room to wake up the engineer (he uses the flute to start up the console, he has seen that from one of the hologram flashbacks).
Basically the urns contain death.
And that ship was going to earth before the accident took place at the engineer base.
Shaw asks David why create us then destroy us.
David says, that to create sometime you need to destroy first.
The Engineer rises, he start to cough, like the human waking up from.
He looks at the human with surprise, Weyland says to David ask him how can i be saved!
Shaws says no ask him why they made us, and why the hate us so much now, what did we do?
Weyland ask the merc to silence her, he knocks her with his weapon.
David start to speak with the Engineer, during the 2 year trip he has analysed all languages and manged to find the one used by Engineers it seems, the Engineer dont answer.
He put his hand gently on David's head, analysing him, intrigued, then he burst into rage, grab Davids head and rip it off.
Hits Weyland with it, the merc shoot, he's hit but move forward and throw him away and Ford.
Shaw is escaping, he wants to go after her at first then leave her.
He wants to finish the mission first.
Clean up Earth from humans.
Why?
That seem to be the question SHAW wantsq answer to when the takes off with another juggernaut, thanks to DAVID knowledge toward the Engineer homeworld.
My take is that we were not worthy, they visited us from time to time.
Either the think the way we evolved is dangerous (abd he has seen how we treat each other when the merc hit shaw).
Or when he saw that david was an artifial being, maybe he tought all were artificial, or that we have become as powerful as them and that we must be destroyed.
We are just an experience maybe not to last.
Final scene the xeno like born out of the dead Engineer screaming at the screen.
No the creature from the mural is nowhere to be seen.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 11:30:06 PM
Working for me, Dragon. Don't worry, no updates. Their informant has gone quiet.
Thanks, Cvalda.
Woop, not gonna read that last spoiler from NGR01, seems like the big bomb when I peeked. ;)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:32:56 PM
Spoiler
My take is that we were not worthy, they visited us from time to time.
Either the think the way we evolved is dangerous (abd he has seen how we treat each other when the merc hit shaw).
Or when he saw that david was an artifial being, maybe he tought all were artificial, or that we have become as powerful as them and that we must be destroyed.
We are just an experience maybe not to last.
Oh my god, that sounds awful. Please let that not be the motivation for the Engineers to wanna wipe out mankind.
So lame.
So they're like anti-Monolith. Would have expected a lot more than that. :-\
If this is true, I can see why the ending pissed off NGR01. :-\
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 28, 2012, 10:52:07 PM
Why does the engineer start killing people? what was its mission? and how Spoiler
does it get infected. what is the final scene of the film?
Also, do we see the beast that is crouched next to the engineer in the mural?
Spoiler
Weyland, David, a Merc, Ford and Shaw go the pilot room.
David activates the room to wake up the engineer (he uses the flute to start up the console, he has seen that from one of the hologram flashbacks).
Basically the urns contain death.
And that ship was going to earth before the accident took place at the engineer base.
Shaw asks David why create us then destroy us.
David says, that to create sometime you need to destroy first.
The Engineer rises, he start to cough, like the human waking up from.
He looks at the human with surprise, Weyland says to David ask him how can i be saved!
Shaws says no ask him why they made us, and why the hate us so much now, what did we do?
Weyland ask the merc to silence her, he knocks her with his weapon.
David start to speak with the Engineer, during the 2 year trip he has analysed all languages and manged to find the one used by Engineers it seems, the Engineer dont answer.
He put his hand gently on David's head, analysing him, intrigued, then he burst into rage, grab Davids head and rip it off.
Hits Weyland with it, the merc shoot, he's hit but move forward and throw him away and Ford.
Shaw is escaping, he wants to go after her at first then leave her.
He wants to finish the mission first.
Clean up Earth from humans.
Why?
That seem to be the question SHAW wantsq answer to when the takes off with another juggernaut, thanks to DAVID knowledge toward the Engineer homeworld.
My take is that we were not worthy, they visited us from time to time.
Either the think the way we evolved is dangerous (abd he has seen how we treat each other when the merc hit shaw).
Or when he saw that david was an artifial being, maybe he tought all were artificial, or that we have become as powerful as them and that we must be destroyed.
We are just an experience maybe not to last.
Final scene the xeno like born out of the dead Engineer screaming at the screen.
No the creature from the mural is nowhere to be seen.
Thanks man. Appreciate it.
Out of interest; do they explain what happened to the other engineers ie what went wrong? Why there was only one engineer?
Wait
so the engineers are just:
Spoiler
brutes?
I wonder why they didn't make them look more monstrous then?
Thanks again NGR01, this information is like crack is to an addict
Spoiler
Does David run around at the end of the film holding his head?
Spoiler
haha
Spoiler
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:32:56 PMOr when he saw that david was an artifial being [...] that we have become as powerful as them and that we must be destroyed.
Blergh. I thought this film was about 'big ideas'?
This is beautiful. All of us together, bathing in the blood of these potential spoilers. :)
yo, ChrisPachi, hide that stuff away
Spoiler
Does the facehugger cover his whole body? How giant is it?
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 11:44:26 PMyo, ChrisPachi, hide that stuff away
Hidden, but not hidden enough. :P
I don't know what to make of what I'm hearing. I regret reading the spoilers.
Going to sleep guys.
I'll answer again tomorrow.
Please do take the time to read my previous post here before asking something.
You're answer might already be here.
:)
Honestly the spoilers are kinda lame, I just want to see the damn things!
I'm still going to watch it but I'm disappointed.
I guess its the Predators of the Alien franchise; an ok film, not memorable, but good enough to give the franchise a boost and a little respect back following the AvP abomination.
Shame.
You know, if this is true:
Spoiler
I don't necessarily think it's that bad, especially on the back of a great new film that establishes a new mythology... but it is predictable as all hell, and betrays a wild over-promotion and seeding of some gigantic cryptic mystery to discover. Why hype it up so f**king much, assholes? Just say it's a new, different version of Alien that explores the Jockeys a bit, don't create all of this hype.
But I'm still not quite sold, and I think interpretations will hopefully make a big difference when personally seeing the film. I mean, can we really believe that Ridley Scott would let so simple an explanation fly? It really damages his credibility, and he's just smarter than that.
I don't really buy it, at least the overall interpretation. I'm sure the sequence of events is all there...
Quote from: sugarhigh on May 28, 2012, 11:44:58 PM
Sorry, longtime lurker here......
am I the only one who thinks NGR01"s "review" is b.s.?
No you're not the only one. There are other negative haters out there just like you, who despite having no shred o evidence enjoy shouting BS to everything.
Ill believe him until someone gives me a convincing argument as to why his BS other then assumptions
so my assumptions were correct
Spoiler
Riddley didn't know what the word biomechanoids meant
Seems to me that the first shot is the best idea in the whole movie...
Hey NGR01, I've been reading somewhere that....
Spoiler
....towards the end of the movie the last Engineer gets impregnated by SOMETHING, (I'm not saying what). There's a fight scene with Shaw then this Engineer suddenly get's CHEST-BURSTERED 5 minutes later. Now, I understand a lot can happen in film even in a short period of time but...
...surely there isn't ANY truth in this, right mate?? ???
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 11:50:41 PM
I mean, can we really believe that Ridley Scott would let so simple an explanation fly?
"Big things have small beginnings" :P
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
Spoiler
Does the facehugger cover his whole body? How giant is it?
What facehugger?
Spoiler
The engineer gets impregnated by the octopus born from Shaw.
Wich is now huge, with tentacles and teeths Hellboy style.
Grabs the Engineer wich was going to kill Shaw.
Shaw escapes out of Vickers lifeboat.
The Enigneer tries to resist, then a snake like tongue comes out from the octopus mouth and goes into the Engineer's mouth, killing him, impregnating him.
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
so my assumptions were correct
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Riddley didn't know what the word biomechanoids meant
Perhaps the viewer missed something..
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 11:50:41 PM
You know, if this is true:
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I don't necessarily think it's that bad, especially on the back of a great new film that establishes a new mythology... but it is predictable as all hell, and betrays a wild over-promotion and seeding of some gigantic cryptic mystery to discover. Why hype it up so f**king much, assholes? Just say it's a new, different version of Alien that explores the Jockeys a bit, don't create all of this hype.
But I'm still not quite sold, and I think interpretations will hopefully make a big difference when personally seeing the film. I mean, can we really believe that Ridley Scott would let so simple an explanation fly? It really damages his credibility, and he's just smarter than that.
I don't really buy it, at least the overall interpretation. I'm sure the sequence of events is all there...
Hey Rage,
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My response is that the Fox exec that supervises advertisement is merely. Well, as Marty would say;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYWbatgKN4g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYWbatgKN4g#ws)
That's just my opinion, of course. :)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 11:54:22 PM
"Big things have small beginnings" :P
Small doesn't necessarily mean simple though. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOd0wcdUNjs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOd0wcdUNjs#)
God i've been wanting to do that.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
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Does the facehugger cover his whole body? How giant is it?
What facehugger?
Spoiler
The engineer gets impregnated by the octopus born from Shaw.
Wich is now huge, with tentacles and teeths Hellboy style.
Grabs the Engineer wich was going to kill Shaw.
Shaw escapes out of Vickers lifeboat.
The Enigneer tries to resist, then a snake like tongue comes out from the octopus mouth and goes into the Engineer's mouth, killing him, impregnating him.
Wait a min; so how does the engineer end up in the jockey chair leading up to Alien? :/
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 28, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
Hey NGR01, I've been reading somewhere that....
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....towards the end of the movie the last Engineer gets face-hugged by SOMETHING, (I'm not saying what). There's a fight scene with Shaw then this Engineer suddenly get's CHEST-BURSTERED 5 minutes later. Now, I understand a lot can happen in film even in a short period of time but...
...surely there isn't ANY truth in this, right mate?? ???
Exactly it mate :(
But it's not sur that it is actually 5 min after.
But all the creature have accelareted mutation or growth in the movie.
Thats bothered me a bit.
Shit hits the fan pretty pretty quick once they land.
Spoiler
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
Spoiler
Does the facehugger cover his whole body? How giant is it?
What facehugger?
Spoiler
The engineer gets impregnated by the octopus born from Shaw.
Wich is now huge, with tentacles and teeths Hellboy style.
Grabs the Engineer wich was going to kill Shaw.
Shaw escapes out of Vickers lifeboat.
The Enigneer tries to resist, then a snake like tongue comes out from the octopus mouth and goes into the Engineer's mouth, killing him, impregnating him.
Oh, that sounds cool! How does she get impregnated?
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
so my assumptions were correct
Spoiler
Riddley didn't know what the word biomechanoids meant
He should, he's bloody named after one.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvgnostalgia.starfieldcreations.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Fridley.jpg&hash=0b6c8056db81b3758d6bc0de1174ecf80ad0aa6e)
:laugh:
Aarrgggghhh!!!! No more GODDAMN SPOILERS!!!!!!
:D
wow, NGR01, that last spoiler you revealed is lame as all hell
That really sux, yo
damn!......... so the lightning did hit the same spot twice?
first phantom menace and now this?
so whats next......... the world really gonna ends this december? jajaja.....shit.....im gonna be sick
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 11:58:01 PM
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
so my assumptions were correct
Spoiler
Riddley didn't know what the word biomechanoids meant
He should, he's bloody named after one.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvgnostalgia.starfieldcreations.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Fridley.jpg&hash=0b6c8056db81b3758d6bc0de1174ecf80ad0aa6e)
:laugh:
Hopefully they never, ever make a Metroid movie. ;D
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
so my assumptions were correct
Spoiler
Riddley didn't know what the word biomechanoids meant
Perhaps the viewer missed something..
Yep i waited for it for about 4 years and i'm gonna miss something...
NGR01--what's inside the exploding Jockey head the crew brings back?
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 12:00:39 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
so my assumptions were correct
Spoiler
Riddley didn't know what the word biomechanoids meant
Perhaps the viewer missed something..
Yep i waited for it for about 4 years and i'm gonna miss something...
Sorry man, wasn't personal. :)
I'm not sure if you already answered this, but I don't want to go through all the posts in case I stumble across a spoiler. Is there a scene after the credits?
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 28, 2012, 11:56:53 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
Spoiler
Does the facehugger cover his whole body? How giant is it?
What facehugger?
Spoiler
The engineer gets impregnated by the octopus born from Shaw.
Wich is now huge, with tentacles and teeths Hellboy style.
Grabs the Engineer wich was going to kill Shaw.
Shaw escapes out of Vickers lifeboat.
The Enigneer tries to resist, then a snake like tongue comes out from the octopus mouth and goes into the Engineer's mouth, killing him, impregnating him.
Wait a min; so how does the engineer end up in the jockey chair leading up to Alien? :/
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THIS IS NOT THE STORY OF THE DERELICT for christ sake.
This is not the space Jockey, this is just one of many Engineers.
The space jockey too was probably just another shmoe.
A regular pilot/soldier working on that military base.
Not one of the leaders.
I suspect that the head sculpture is their leader, and that we will get to meet him when Shaw reaches their homeworld thanks to David knowledge of the Engineer tech.
What the movie let you know or deduct is that the Engineers may are all mighty but it's not all of them who conceive and create stuff some are just obeying orders (the sacrifice engineer or the surviving Engineer are clearly not leaders).
Quote from: Qwertify on May 28, 2012, 06:42:33 PM
I heard the link to Alien was that Predators made the Engineers.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s320x320/555401_10150924136109248_511989247_9554323_514960592_n.jpg
Sorry, but I had to find a post to use that on. lol
we see LV-426? juggernaut is the same derelict from Alien?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:05:30 AM
I'm not sure if you already answered this, but I don't want to go through all the posts in case I stumble across a spoiler. Is there a scene after the credits?
It's a bunch of Predators eating shawarma.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:05:30 AM
I'm not sure if you already answered this, but I don't want to go through all the posts in case I stumble across a spoiler. Is there a scene after the credits?
Hasn't mentioned one so far, NA. I don't think there be one, unless he didn't stay?
This is what happens after the credits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvaHZwC-qSc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvaHZwC-qSc#ws)
A sequel could be much more interesting than the original if it ends on the note you say it does...
unless they accidentally end up on Arcturia!
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 29, 2012, 12:10:21 AM
It's a bunch of Predators eating shawarma.
All that shawarma will gas up their spaghetti house.
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 29, 2012, 12:10:21 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:05:30 AM
I'm not sure if you already answered this, but I don't want to go through all the posts in case I stumble across a spoiler. Is there a scene after the credits?
It's a bunch of Predators eating shawarma.
Only Predator appearance I'd really want :D
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So will Prometheus 2 be on their homeworld like in the Dark Horse comics? Does David actually say Paradise?
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 29, 2012, 12:03:42 AM
Perhaps the viewer missed something..
Yep i waited for it for about 4 years and i'm gonna miss something...
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Sorry man, wasn't personal. :)
Sorry mate, it still hurts from the screening :)
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:05:30 AM
I'm not sure if you already answered this, but I don't want to go through all the posts in case I stumble across a spoiler. Is there a scene after the credits?
No.
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:57:51 PM
Spoiler
Quote from: NGR01 on May 28, 2012, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 28, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
Spoiler
Does the facehugger cover his whole body? How giant is it?
What facehugger?
Spoiler
The engineer gets impregnated by the octopus born from Shaw.
Wich is now huge, with tentacles and teeths Hellboy style.
Grabs the Engineer wich was going to kill Shaw.
Shaw escapes out of Vickers lifeboat.
The Enigneer tries to resist, then a snake like tongue comes out from the octopus mouth and goes into the Engineer's mouth, killing him, impregnating him.
Oh, that sounds cool! How does she get impregnated?
Spoiler
David hides and ampule.
Take it back to the ship.
He discuss with Weyland still in cryosleep with the neuro helmet.
Weyland gives order, you cant's hear them.
Then you get the scene where he's assaulted by Vickers.
Wich is Weyland Daughter (at some point janek tease her if shes a robot, shes shocked, and invites him to have sex, and its not adressed anymore if shes real or not so i guess she is since she dies like shit).
David then goes to open the urn.
He join Holloway near the pool table with a bottle of Champagne, the drop of black liquid from the urn on the tip of his finger. The talk, David give him the are you ready to do anything to find the answers, thein he serves him a glass of champagne putting his finger in it.
Hence contaminating Holloway.
(I suspect David is the one who choose Holloway to be the guinea pig because Holloway is kinda dissing David a few times, and i felt David had something for Shaw...)
Holloway makes love to Shaw (after a discussion where we find out that she is sterile).
Then you know whats happen.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 12:00:50 AM
NGR01--what's inside the exploding Jockey head the crew brings back?
Spoiler
Presumably the same thing/virus that killed holloway and that was let loose in the base.
It's not really adressed.
The scene is pretty cool tho.
The make the head alive again, then you see it distort with pain, and boom it explode with green shit.
Wich was lame tho, at least black would have felt more graphic than thismelted icecream thing.
Quote from: orchidal on May 29, 2012, 12:14:31 AM
A sequel could be much more interesting than the original if it ends on the note you say it does...
unless they accidentally end up on Arcturia!
Prometheus 2: It Doesn't Matter When It's Arcturian.
Thanks very much for your answers, NGR01.
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So the jockey dies the same way the original one does, but it's not the same one, and it is never explained why the original jockey is much bigger? That's kind of stupid if you ask me.
Cvalda, since I know how big an Alien fan you are, and how you've recently been taking in all the spoilers you can get, what do you think about what you're hearing? Spoiler-free response, of course. :)
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 29, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Spoiler
So will Prometheus 2 be on their homeworld like in the Dark Horse comics? Does David actually say Paradise?
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Havent read that Dark Horse story arc but yes thats it.
Wonder what she think she will achieve.
No David doesnt say Paradise, its my nod to the codename of the movie and to the synopsis i wrote.
David actually offers to help Shaw returns to Earth, but Shaw refuses, i think because she knows it's dangerous to bring home that tech and maybe because she doesnt really trust David.
Shaw wants to know why they created us and wants to wipe us now.
Sidenote on David.
Save for the severed head moment he has nothing to do with Ash.
He's more Roy Batty.
He's under the orders of Weyland but cannot wait to be free.
Like he says "dont every boys want to kill their fathers".
You can even think that he plotted some of the stuff by himself...
I should really go to sleep lol ^^
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
Cvalda, since I know how big an Alien fan you are, and how you've recently been taking in all the spoilers you can get, what do you think about what you're hearing? Spoiler-free response, of course. :)
I am totally on the fence. If this is all legitimate, I am mildly intrigued up until the ending, which sounds lame.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
Cvalda, since I know how big an Alien fan you are, and how you've recently been taking in all the spoilers you can get, what do you think about what you're hearing? Spoiler-free response, of course. :)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.cheezburger.com%2Fcompletestore%2F2010%2F3%2F21%2F129136653860699314.jpg&hash=827cc6f4789da26113972bd217ac88a2765d2448)
So, if they go to the homeworld, will that explain why the space jockey in Alien is twice as tall as the one in Prometheus?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 12:29:04 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
Cvalda, since I know how big an Alien fan you are, and how you've recently been taking in all the spoilers you can get, what do you think about what you're hearing? Spoiler-free response, of course. :)
I am totally on the fence. If this is all legitimate, I am mildly intrigued up until the ending, which sounds lame.
To be honest, on-the-fence is better than the response I was expecting :) And who knows, maybe its better translated on screen than in words? It does, after all, seem to be a very visual movie.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 12:29:04 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
Cvalda, since I know how big an Alien fan you are, and how you've recently been taking in all the spoilers you can get, what do you think about what you're hearing? Spoiler-free response, of course. :)
I am totally on the fence. If this is all legitimate, I am mildly intrigued up until the ending, which sounds lame.
The ending does sound lame.
Spoilers mate.
Spoilers.
Be careful.
I'm extremely confident in the performances from the actors (David, tear), especially dat LMG, and the atmosphere and visuals. I think they will be stunning, just like we're expecting.
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I really, really don't think I'm going to agree with all of these reviews saying the film isn't scary. How in the f**k can the Hammerpede scene not be scary? There's going to be some brutal shit going down.
The French must be some jaded, calloused motherf**kers. :laugh:
Anybody have a comment on the possible cultural significance of these comments on the film being scary?
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Man, so the chair, is just a chair, penis telescope is just a prop. I am disappointed.
So was this screening in it's original english language or was it dubbed or subtitles?
NGR01 could you take a picture of your ticket please? :)
Quote from: WiseNige on May 29, 2012, 12:37:00 AM
NGR01 could you take a picture of your ticket please? :)
He obviously saw the movie, like it or not.
Lol gonna ask again..
Engineers have pupils or all black eyes? Do they speak or otherwise communicate? Make noises?
Regarding the plot, so far it sounds eerily like
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The first AvP except in space, with no predators and Engineers/SJ and a focus on bioweapons. Even the ending is similar as hell... And they both include a scientific expedition funded by Weyland, with Weyland hitching a ride!
NGR01, now a little time has passed how do you feel about the film? Have any thoughts changed or are you still disappointed?
I apologise if this question's already been asked, I just don't dare look around this thread! I'm attempting to keep myself spoiler free.
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They are all dead, except for one, and he does not speak, he just kills, like Jason.
We should let the guy sleep. :) Thanks so much!
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 29, 2012, 12:43:49 AM
We should let the guy sleep. :) Thanks so much!
Fair point ;). I think my question's better answered once everybody's had a chance to sleep this day off :P
Quote from: WiseNige on May 29, 2012, 12:37:00 AM
NGR01 could you take a picture of your ticket please? :)
You attended many press screenings in your life?
No ticket, they have a list with your name.
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 29, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
NGR01, now a little time has passed how do you feel about the film? Have any thoughts changed or are you still disappointed?
I apologise if this question's already been asked, I just don't dare look around this thread! I'm attempting to keep myself spoiler free.
Definitly want to see it again.
But i knew that right out the screening.
I knew i needed to accept the movie as it is and see it with fresh eyes, now that my epectation have been not met.
I definitly want to see it again.
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 29, 2012, 12:36:08 AM
So was this screening in it's original english language or was it dubbed or subtitles?
English, subtitled, 3D.
Nothing was lost in translation if thats what you were hoping for to justify my bad view of the last act.
Quote from: Vulgotha on May 29, 2012, 12:41:01 AM
Lol gonna ask again..
Engineers have pupils or all black eyes? Do they speak or otherwise communicate? Make noises?
Regarding the plot, so far it sounds eerily like
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The first AvP except in space, with no predators and Engineers/SJ and a focus on bioweapons. Even the ending is similar as hell... And they both include a scientific expedition funded by Weyland, with Weyland hitching a ride!
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They have big pupils almost all black eyes.
They really are like greek statues.
You never hear them speak,kinda catch glimpses when David watches the hologram when they were ready to take off but thats it.
Only David speaks their language at some point but he gets no answer save for his head severed from his body.
I wonder if he actually really asked what Weyland said, or maybe he provocked the Engineer on pupose...
Lol yep to think of it almost AVP in space.
But then again AVP is majorly taking concepts from the original ALIEN script.
Did you see any powerloaders or storm rifles in the film?
Is the sp from alien older than Prometheus? The aliens are 2000 years old?
with an overall 76 percent of people enjoying what they watched, I don't understand all this doom and gloom. I would think a film that isn't what we expect it to be is a good thing?
LOL no.
It was no suprise.
Only a fool would think those would make it to the screen.
This was pure viral fanservice.
If the majority liked it then it must be good.
Why do some bother reading me then.
The movie is great Yay!!!!
So sj in prometheus is sj in alien?
Well, having spoiled it for myself and looking at the answers
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...that's a pretty mediocre plot, far more simplistic than what I expected it to be. I'm not saying it's bad, I'll see it, but eh. Guess I'll find out for myself whether it sucks or not
As aforementioned, I/we knew you weren't keen on what would be in this film since the very beginning, so you not liking the film is ZERO surprise to me. I'm ready to call a spade a spade...but not by some one who's thought it was a spade before they even saw it. I'd rather read a review from some one with zero expectation. Everyone else is so biased, I just don't trust that objectivity would reign supreme.
I suppose anyone going into the movie already expecting to hate it will have their wish come true.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 11:58:01 PM
Quote from: orchidal on May 28, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
so my assumptions were correct
Spoiler
Riddley didn't know what the word biomechanoids meant
He should, he's bloody named after one.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvgnostalgia.starfieldcreations.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Fridley.jpg&hash=0b6c8056db81b3758d6bc0de1174ecf80ad0aa6e)
:laugh:
I'd like to point out that I believe david is biomechanical. Does he count in that statement?
Eh, I expected to loath The Thing (2011), but I walked out to find that it was actually just mediocre and not a terrible movie.
Yep i wrote that i hated PROMETHEUS.
I did not like it at all...
I wrote that it the worst movie ever.
That it's a big turd.
Basicaly i don't like it.
Oh wait did i not said that i did not liked the last act?
Well basically it's the same as "i did not like the movie" right?
My my my...
Since you're gonna make up my own words just answers the questions for me thanks.
Good night guys.
"worst movie ever" someone's being a little melodramatic. ::)
NGR01, what would you rate it out of **** stars now that you've had time to process it?
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 29, 2012, 01:14:47 AM
I suppose anyone going into the movie already expecting to hate it will have their wish come true.
Here we go.
Thanks thisisBethessada, now i'm a hater.
You gotta love the internet.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 29, 2012, 01:16:14 AM
Eh, I expected to loath The Thing (2011), but I walked out to find that it was actually just mediocre and not a terrible movie.
That is basically what i said.
I did not like the last act of a clearly above the average scifi movie.
And now i'm a hater for saying so...
Thank you guys you give me hope in the human kind.
Hope the Engineers will visit us soon so it can be over with...
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:18:58 AM
Yep i wrote that i hated PROMETHEUS.
I did not like it at all...
I wrote that it the worst movie ever.
That it's a big turd.
Basicaly i don't like it.
Oh wait did i not said that i did not liked the last act?
Well basically it's the same as "i did not like the movie" right?
My my my...
Since you're gonna make up my own words just answers the questions for me thanks.
Good night guys.
Here lets keep it simple. Make your like/love or dislike lists. That will give us a better summarize of what your thoughts. I'm not going to read until I watch the movie myself but others here might want to know. It's obvious when people spoil themselves with so much information and dissected the movie to death and trying to turn it into what they want it to be is asking for a major disappointment.
NGR01, thick skin dude. Thick skin. You've said a hell of a lot, just relax and enjoy your sleepy-time. :laugh:
Can resume this horseshit tomorrow.
Quote from: First Blood on May 29, 2012, 01:21:12 AM
"worst movie ever" someone's being a little melodramatic. ::)
Someone's doesnt get sarcasm or irony ::)
Ya caught me.
NGR01 you quoted Ooze.....just to be clear. I don't think you're a hater, I just believe you've been skeptical and a bit disheartened since day one, so, as I said, I'm not surprised in your reaction. I'd like to know the opinion of some one less predispositioned towards disappointment. That's all I'm saying.
Quote from: First Blood on May 29, 2012, 01:32:29 AM
Ya caught me.
;)
Cvalda, i'm not good at giving notes.
I'll wait until my second viewing.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 01:36:11 AM
NGR01 you quoted Ooze.....just to be clear. I don't think you're a hater, I just believe you've been skeptical and a bit disheartened since day one, so, as I said, I'm not surprised in your reaction. I'd like to know the opinion of some one less predispositioned towards disappointment. That's all I'm saying.
I get it.
We're cool.
Just don't like that you were implying (or i felt like your were) that i already wanted to hate the movie because it was not what i wanted it to be.
I can put my wishes asside and ry to anlyse the movie without passion you know.
And what comes of it is that the last act is flawed and lazy.
I loved all that was leading to it.
Now a second viewing might temper my rant about the last act...
Doubt it but well see...
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:36:48 AM
;)
Cvalda, i'm not good at giving notes.
I'll wait until my second viewing.
Okay, no problem. Wish you enjoyed the film more. Hopefully my thoughts when I see it don't echo your own in terms of the disappointment. :)
NGR, one last question form me. Does it seem like one of those movies that will get better with each rewatch, kind of like Alien³? Or does it seem like additional viewings may diminish the effect?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 01:38:25 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:36:48 AM
;)
Cvalda, i'm not good at giving notes.
I'll wait until my second viewing.
Okay, no problem. Wish you enjoyed the film more. Hopefully my thoughts when I see it don't echo your own in terms of the disappointment. :)
But I bet they will.....I'd wager good money....just saying....hehe :laugh: :'( :-\ :-\
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 01:11:04 AM
As aforementioned, I/we knew you weren't keen on what would be in this film since the very beginning, so you not liking the film is ZERO surprise to me. I'm ready to call a spade a spade...but not by some one who's thought it was a spade before they even saw it. I'd rather read a review from some one with zero expectation. Everyone else is so biased, I just don't trust that objectivity would reign supreme.
...what you really mean is you didn't read ANY of NGR01's comments, but thought you'd have a go anyways, as you have with a few posters here (including me) because they 'expressed' doubts on what they'd seen so far. But here's the thing, say NGR01 has been having us on, so what nobody cares... but if he's right and lots of people here actually feel the same way, well, I simply can't wait for your review!! ::)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 01:38:37 AM
NGR, one last question form me. Does it seem like one of those movies that will get better with each rewatch, kind of like Alien³? Or does it seem like additional viewings may diminish the effect?
I do want to see it again so theres must be something to it.
I don't bother paying to see a movie i did not liked if i already saw it once for free ^^
So nothing happened... as in you have to think for the story to make sense? This movie is going to be awesome. 8)
Have a go? Not even. I've followed NGR01's posts carefully. I do not judge him for his opinion, I just stated that based on his comments about the film ( before he viewed it ) that his opinion of it wouldn't be far from the temperature of his pre-existing comments. No, harm, no foul, and absolute respect. My apologies if I've come off less than agreeable. It's never my intent.
Thanks for your patience in answering everybody's questions. I've been of the mindset lately that many of us are overthinking this plot and storyline lately. Sounds alot simpler than many of us were thinking with a storyline that everbody will understand, not just us harcore fans. Basically, it sounds like a good movie . . . . . but just that . . . . a good movie that could have been fantastic and mind-numbingly thought-provoking. I mean c'mon now . . . . what movie could possibly live up to the expectations that we've built this thing into over the past 3-4 years??!
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 01:40:03 AM
But I bet they will.....I'd wager good money....just saying....hehe :laugh: :'( :-\ :-\
If I come back from the cinema displaying this GIF...
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...you'll gloat for weeks, won't you? :P
If you come back just saying " I liked it a lot" I'll be surprised. :laugh:
Don't worry guys, even if the movie is holey we can still blame Lindolf and stone him in the streets. There is always a bright side. Still it's hard as hell not quell the desire to be spoiled. All I want is some awesome movie that can breath life into sci-fi/mythos/horror/action, whatever. I'll take the cthulu monster.
However, still, was there a giant alien(monster/creature) that was not the space jocky or squid? And was it fugly?
I just want it to be a hit, so we can get more.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 29, 2012, 01:16:14 AM
Eh, I expected to loath The Thing (2011), but I walked out to find that it was actually just mediocre and not a terrible movie.
If the special effects weren't so terribly reliant on using cgi every two minutes, that's how I would have felt about it.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 26, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
For now what i can say, is that i got out of the theatre angry and almost cried.
Aaaaand scene.
I kind of knew it when the movie was cut to almost 2hrs flat and the chances of leaving out some important stuff will is going to happen. That's what happen when you're afraid that you might bore the audience because you thought it's too long. This movie need to be 2hrs and 30mins and I can't wait for the Blu-ray DC. I thought they wouldn't make the same mistake like they did with Kingdom of Heaven.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 29, 2012, 02:13:07 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 26, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
For now what i can say, is that i got out of the theatre angry and almost cried.
Aaaaand scene.
Yeah....I actually laughed at that wonderful melodrama.... ;)
Quote from: Vickers Valiant on May 28, 2012, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: Ruzena on May 28, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
Actually I had dream about Prometheus today and it was f**king scary, I gope that NGR will bring positive news ffs. I am getting heartattacks here
Out of all the people I can think of that would deliver a negative review, NGR01 is at the top of the list.
Lol, this is pretty much what I had expected from NGRO1.
Finally, some agreement.
What about the TAPIR? Did it appear?
Damn I hope the original screenplays make it off to the public, I am really curious for the first version of Paradise. Would like to see where things started to take wrong turn :D
I believe everything NGRO says, the movie could take only 2 ways for us, either it be the perfect prequel or being huge smoking turd as it seems it is.
FORTUNATELY I still feel i can cut Alien movie in my head completely from prometheus and still not see humanoid in the suit. Just liek I am able to cut predators and newborns from it ;]
All should look forward to Blade runner 2 now, the ressurection of newborn predoxenofacehuggers that run tight ship in powerloaders! Not a single frame will be cut, says Tom Rothman ;]
And if Scott cannot scae the living shit out of me, NGRO did it pretty well now lol.
The Prommy has a crew of 17 or so. Yet the spoilers mentioned only talk about 5/6 crew. There must be a lot of monster vs crew action before the end?
This movie sucks Space Tapir was left out, fuk this mang
How colourful and constructive...
Exactly^ been talking about this with my buddy. Between our knowledge of the crew size and the BFCC ratings, we know there's some violent f**king shit, quite a bit of it, that goes down.
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No one even mentioned the freaking mutants or the vehicle bay scene (f**king awesome) or the mercenaries (awesome) or f**king Holloway (awesome - only after mutant) or Weyland reveal (awesome) or how gnarly the f**king Hammerpede was, because most of us know by now that it's f**king gnarly! Look at this point, I'm paying my admission to stare at David and watch the Hammerpede scene, and finally, FINALLY see that f**king helmet melt onto motherf**king dude's face.
I am also prepared to shake with chills watching the Noomi birth scene.
I just don't see how it could be so f**ked up with all of the awesome shit we've already seen. Even production shit looked great.
Shit. I'm sorry. Fanboy meltdown. Hold me.
Exactly Dragon. There must be more mutants/ cuddles goes nuts/ engineer goes killcrazy/ xeno type action to kill the rest of the crew.
@NGR01 - thanks for the write up & all info provided to date. Really appreciated. As a follow up, I have a couple of specific questions:
1. Prometheus crew is numbered at 15-17. You have outlined the deaths of major characters. How do the rest of the crew perish ?
2. What is the final scene of the film - can you describe in more detail the curtain call shot ?
3. Were there any scenes that elicited a strong positive group response from the movie audience during the actual movie ?
TIA
I very briefly scanned through some of it, so far I don't know what to think. I'm not sure if I am going to bite on believing any of it, and at the very least I don't think it'll end in tears for me(unless those tears are tears of joy, because the film looks fantastic and I want to love it like I love Alien) but if the movie does indeed suck it will end with me getting my money back just as I did for AVP:R, AVP, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, The Ring and Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones.
Largely, I do not gripe about spending money at the cinema but when it costs me almost 30 dollars for two people to get in, I'll be damned if I let some cockamamey movie take away what little money I have. If I get my money back it's usually on principle, I was not entertained therefor I should get my money back.
In the case of this movie, I just can't imagine a Phantom menace or other similar situation arising. I have faith in Ridley Scott, and I have faith in my gut feelings(which are usually never wrong) that this movie will be awesome, legendary even. Will I be upset if it's not to my liking? Sure. But it won't be because I won't see Xenos running around onscreen, it would be if it lacks any of that Ridley-magic that I enjoy and if the story, acting, Cinematography and special effects are not good.
If this ends up not being a good prequel/not prequel to Alien I suppose I would be quite disappointed moreso if the movie is bad.
Like I said though, I just know that for some reason this movie will be good. At least for me.
I will say however that anybody expecting this film's ideas or Ridley's interpretation being in line with 30 years of rabid fan based extrapolation will be disappointed. The creativity and ideas that one person might have may conflict or be completely different than what the other person has in mind or wants to create.
I expect an Alien prequel with larger trappings than just "hey it's a me, a xenomorph! Oh and Space Jockey too. Here's my Derelict.", I expect Alien Plus.
I expect it to be good.
If it's not? I cannot say without a doubt on how I will react to what ends up being on screen, even with the light scanning of spoilers(avoiding bits mostly about creatures or certain events) I've read I don't know what's really going to happen.
I've seen the trailers, and I've read possibly true conjecture. Without condemning or approving of NRG's post and with do respect, I will only believe what I see with my own two eyes. I do appreciate him going through the trouble of doing this for us, bullshit or not.
Im new too this forum and been reading ngr posts, seems legit but just wondering if David infects Halloway with the black ooze in the wine then what is that little worm thing that crawls into his eye I saw in the trailer?
Quote from: proicioaway on May 29, 2012, 05:35:56 AM
@NGR01 - thanks for the write up & all info provided to date. Really appreciated. As a follow up, I have a couple of specific questions:
1. Prometheus crew is numbered at 15-17. You have outlined the deaths of major characters. How do the rest of the crew perish ?
2. What is the final scene of the film - can you describe in more detail the curtain call shot ?
3. Were there any scenes that elicited a strong positive group response from the movie audience during the actual movie ?
TIA
Please describe the ending in a seperate spoiler tag. Thanks NRG01 so i can read the other answers and skip over the ending answer. :)
Nothing more to do on this forum until I go see the movie.
New poster.
THANKS for the responses.
Can you advise though:
-- how does the 'xenomorph' mural feature in the plot...
???
I already answered some questions.
Please read my posts in this thread.
Just click on my profile and you will have acess directly to all my posts.
Don't want to repeat myself ad nauseum.
Again thanks for the guys who are mocking my reaction.
Very nice, veeeeery nice guys...
The dust have settled i now know what bothered me the most.
And no guys the movie does not suck. It's very good.
Just lazy and cheap yeah i saiod cheap in it's finale giving what was supposed to happen.
I had some neat info this morning in my mailbox about the original ending plans and i would have loved that.
I might end up having the original script if my buddy delivers.
I'm going to update my first post on post one.
It will be full of spoiler this time.
NGR01. Ridley said that he couldn't have made the final scene in this movie some years ago because the tehnology wasn't available. Also some french reviews said that the final scene is epic. My question is what exactly is this final scene? what was so hard to achieve, and why was it epic?
maybe he's talking about the crash.
Because there is nothing epic or undoable in the final moments.
Really don't see whats been so tough in those final moments.
Kinda bummed to hear this. When i read about the final scene and tehnical limitations i realy believed we would get something big.
So the prometheus-derelict colision and the crash afterwards happen at the end of the movie, not in the second act?
If so i think the only people i can be really mad so far, like 1000% is the marketing people who put all this stuff in the trailers and tvspots
I don't know. I'm a bit skeptical. It sounds like we've seen basically everything of interest already in the trailers, interviews and featurerettes. I have difficulties believing that they'd spoil the whole movie upfront.
But I might be completely wrong with that. I'll guess I have to watch the movie to know for myself. :)
Those FOX bastard spoiled the movie for us.
Basicaly you all already know the story if you have seen the trailers.
So maybe it's not that i find the movie lazy but since i almost already knew the story it was a bit lame to just see the stuff happen.
Again i stress that the movie is beautiful, well acted (even if you feel some character role have been hacked from the original script or cut), FX are top notch. It's a great apetizer.
I was expecting the main course i think.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 09:59:32 AM
So maybe it's not that i find the movie lazy but since i almost already knew the story it was a bit lame to just see the stuff happen.
This is probably the main concern for me, and the number one reason people on this forum will hate it.
Oh and a nice question for you. How was Logan Marshall Green acting? :laugh:
Just so I get it right, is this what happens:
Spoiler
1. Jockey wakes up, wastes Weyland, mercs and Ford.
2. Shaw flees, Jockey launches Juggernaut.
3. Prometheus goes after Juggernaut, Vickers flees in life-pod.
4. Someone (who?) flees in life-boat.
5. Juggernaut crashes.
6. Shaw goes back to life-boat, Jockey goes after her.
etc.
So who launched the life-boat? What happens to it?
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 09:59:32 AM
Again i stress that the movie is beautiful, well acted (even if you feel some character role have been hacked from the original script or cut), FX are top notch. It's a great apetizer.
I was expecting the main course i think.
So you felt like crying because-- aw f**k it...
It's beautiful, well acted and has top notch FX, but you insisted it was cheap and lazy?
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 10:13:52 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 09:59:32 AM
So maybe it's not that i find the movie lazy but since i almost already knew the story it was a bit lame to just see the stuff happen.
This is probably the main concern for me, and the number one reason people on this forum will hate it.
Oh and a nice question for you. How was Logan Marshall Green acting? :laugh:
I liked his character.
He's the maverick of the movie.
Even if his acting is sometime not top notch.
Quote from: armageddon on May 29, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
Just so I get it right, is this what happens:
Spoiler
1. Jockey wakes up, wastes Weyland, mercs and Ford.
2. Shaw flees, Jockey launches Juggernaut.
3. Prometheus goes after Juggernaut, Vickers flees in life-pod.
4. Janek drop the life-boat.
5. Juggernaut crashes.
6. Shaw goes back to life-boat, See the tentacle in the medpod room.
7. David warns her that the Jockey is after her.
8.Jockey attacks Shaw.
9.Medpod room door open, giant octopus grabs Engineers.
10. Shaw flees, Engineer gets killed impregnated by the octopus wich is n fact like a giant facehugger it "dies" after doing its job.
11. Shaws outside on the ground giving up, David tells her there are other juggernaut ships and that he can help her leave the planet if she helps him.
12. She goes back to the juggernaut, take david's head and body. He tell her he can plot a course to return to Earth.
She says no, she wants to know why the engineer creted us then wanted to destroy us.
Ask if David can take her to their homeworld, he agrees.
13. A juggernaut takes off in the horizon, voce over of Shaw sending a message to Earth HQ, donot find to track me, do not come to this planet, Shaw last survivor of the Prometheus...
14. Back to the Engineer body, his chest rips open, a proto xeno baby gets out of it, its weak like the one from Alien 3, it rises, its already as big as a human, ist face is fully covered, then the skin kinda peel off revealing some sort of horse mouth.
He shrieks.
THE END ;)
You've gotta admire FOX-marketting at this point...they're truely taking it down to the wire.
NGR01 (even though you've been on ignore for over a month)...CHAPEAU!!
Does the movie explain the origins of the starmap?
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 29, 2012, 10:22:11 AM
It's beautiful, well acted and has top notch FX, but you insisted it was cheap and lazy?
When you will read my post, all of my post maybe you will get the answers you're looking for.
I'm sorry but even if english is not my first language i stated clearly why i felt it was lazy and "cheap" in its final act (especially now that i have tought about the movie and put my my expectations aside).
Even more now that i have confirmation that it was not supposed to happen like this.
If its not enough for you just read my last spoilerific answer that depict the ending.
Make up your own mind.
:)
NGR thanks for sharying your opinion. Can you pm me if we will see a xeno in the movie? And what ties this movie to alien? Thats all I want to know.
Thanks again
I just read through some of the spoilers. Seems like...
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...Vickers doesn't get much to do and end up dying in a very boring way. Was she a villain? I might have missed something, but she didn't sound like it from the spoilers I checked. :-\
Another question:
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Is this Shaw in chair or Engineer, if it's Engineer how come the size is so different?
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 29, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
Exactly Dragon. There must be more mutants/ cuddles goes nuts/ engineer goes killcrazy/ xeno type action to kill the rest of the crew.
You think?
Spoiler
As far as I can tell only one person dies as a result of a creature attack, one got ran over, two burned to death, three in an air crash, seven due to Assault and Battery and two survivors which leaves a couple of unknown mechanics who don't go anywhere near the Dome AFAIK.
Spoiler
A juggernaut takes off in the horizon, voce over of Shaw sending a message to Earth HQ, do not find to track me, do not come to this planet, Shaw last survivor of the Prometheus...
Oh f**k no...
Spoiler
Back to the Engineer body, his chest rips open, a proto xeno baby gets out of it, its weak like the one from Alien 3, it rises, its already as big as a human, its face is fully covered, then the skin kinda peel off revealing some sort of horse mouth. He shrieks.
Oh double f**k no... this better be me not getting your sense of humor, or in other words,
tell me you are f**king joking!
:P ???
Quote from: bunnyavpg on May 29, 2012, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 29, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
Exactly Dragon. There must be more mutants/ cuddles goes nuts/ engineer goes killcrazy/ xeno type action to kill the rest of the crew.
You think?
Spoiler
As far as I can tell only one person dies as a result of a creature attack, one got ran over, two burned to death, three in an air crash, seven due to Assault and Battery and two survivors which leaves a couple of unknown mechanics who don't go anywhere near the Dome AFAIK.
They're killed by a lost Predator scout party...
It sound to me like this is a 2 1/2+ hour movie shrunk down to a 2 hour movie to get more screenings, of course we will get an 'extended cut' on Blu-Ray/DVD to get more dollars from us, what a waste this is. ::)
Quote from: Glaive on May 29, 2012, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: bunnyavpg on May 29, 2012, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 29, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
Exactly Dragon. There must be more mutants/ cuddles goes nuts/ engineer goes killcrazy/ xeno type action to kill the rest of the crew.
You think?
Spoiler
As far as I can tell only one person dies as a result of a creature attack, one got ran over, two burned to death, three in an air crash, seven due to Assault and Battery and two survivors which leaves a couple of unknown mechanics who don't go anywhere near the Dome AFAIK.
They're killed by a lost Predator scout party...
No its predxeno party you liar!
At this point i really ,really hope we get a sequel. The movie be stand alone with the ending, but still, they said they have a sequel in mind so definetely they know how to treat the next chapter.
i'm kinda curious about the xeno.
Spoiler
Even if the Engineer is bigger than a human, i doubt the xeno will come out human,size out of his chest. Maybe smaller.
And i think it's wrong to call it a proto-xeno. Just another xeno type creature,related to the one we know.
I'm thinking the tentacle creature isn't something the Engineers know, expected. Just a mutation based on the mixing between their goo and human dna. After that it lays an embrio inside the Engineer similar to a facehugger? Dunno seems kinda cheesy, foar a creature that big, to just impregnate someone, and i thing NGR01 said it dies after it completes it's task.
Original jockey plus sometype of facehugger results in a xeno big enough to burn a hole in the original derelict and lay those eggs?
Also in Alien facehugger from those eggs+humans= xenos we know
Now black goo-> worm in Holloway->Shaw-> squid baby-adult->impregnate Eng=other kind of xeno,a mutation unknown even to the jockeys
It would have been nice if the hologram scene in the movie showed some kind of xeno butchering the jockeys. That would have been enought to connect the 2 movies, no need for another scene at the end with a xeno emerginf from the jockey.
And i kinda got the feeling that the giant tentacle monster is not just a giant facehugger. If you look closely in the trailer you can even see 2 weirl legs on one side,standing still. A real shame they didn't give the creature design to Giger. FFs, half of the reason Alien was so special is because of him
At least there will be a lot of good memes out of this.
Quote from: Glaive on May 29, 2012, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: bunnyavpg on May 29, 2012, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 29, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
Exactly Dragon. There must be more mutants/ cuddles goes nuts/ engineer goes killcrazy/ xeno type action to kill the rest of the crew.
You think?
Spoiler
As far as I can tell only one person dies as a result of a creature attack, one got ran over, two burned to death, three in an air crash, seven due to Assault and Battery and two survivors which leaves a couple of unknown mechanics who don't go anywhere near the Dome AFAIK.
They're killed by a lost Predator scout party...
That's what I was thinking. Speaking honestly - it would make for a good Predator movie. Mechanics left stranded on a planet and are running low on oxygen and have no way home. And then .. Predators come out to kill them. How will they survive? They probably won't.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
At least there will be a lot of good memes out of this.
I'm perpetually confused...is 'memes' pronounced 'MEEMS' or 'MEHMEHS'?
...enquiring-minds, and all.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 11:02:30 AMAt least there will be a lot of good memes out of this.
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"This is Shaw, last survivor of the Prometheus..."
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Quote from: Glaive on May 29, 2012, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
At least there will be a lot of good memes out of this.
I'm perpetually confused...is 'memes' pronounced 'MEEMS' or 'MEHMEHS'?
...enquiring-minds, and all.
It rhymes with genes.
A meme is like a gene, and genes are like memes.
Its looking like we may have a unique situation with this film where the trailers are actually more scary than the film itself! ;D. So much for Scott and all his 'i want to scare the hell out of you' bullshit. ::)
Quote from: Glaive on May 29, 2012, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
At least there will be a lot of good memes out of this.
I'm perpetually confused...is 'memes' pronounced 'MEEMS' or 'MEHMEHS'?
...enquiring-minds, and all.
Depends on the meme. There are many that could be pronounced 'mehmehs', mine especially. :P
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Glaive on May 29, 2012, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
At least there will be a lot of good memes out of this.
I'm perpetually confused...is 'memes' pronounced 'MEEMS' or 'MEHMEHS'?
...enquiring-minds, and all.
It rhymes with genes.
A meme is like a gene, and genes are like memes.
Except with obvious consonent mutation...
OOOOH, MY GOD!!!
People, please wrap your text in spoilers when you start asking related questions.
Quote from: RubberChickenMan on May 29, 2012, 10:46:11 AM
NGR thanks for sharying your opinion. Can you pm me if we will see a xeno in the movie? And what ties this movie to alien? Thats all I want to know.
Thanks again
Spoiler
Some sort of proto xeno or super xen i don't know.
He appears in the very last minutes of the movie.
Preety much like the Predalien from AVP.
Its birth is supposed to be the thing that links to ALIEN... :-\
Quote from: Laufey on May 29, 2012, 10:46:30 AM
I just read through some of the spoilers. Seems like...
Spoiler
...Vickers doesn't get much to do and end up dying in a very boring way. Was she a villain? I might have missed something, but she didn't sound like it from the spoilers I checked. :-\
Spoiler
Well she does die in a very boring way.
I would not call her a villain.
Shes bitchy with the crew, not really even she just wants to job done and has no faith in the mission.
She wants to take her father's place, feel negelected because he seem to care more about David.
Her death can be seen as her reward for burning Holloway.
Wich is by no way a evil move.
Holloway asks for it, and she does look pretty traumatized when doing it.
So yeah basicaly they kill her because they dont need or wanted her anymore...
Quote from: Cory on May 29, 2012, 10:47:19 AM
Another question:
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Is this Shaw in chair or Engineer, if it's Engineer how come the size is so different?
Spoiler
Sadly no this is not a human in the suit.
Scott just didnt give a flying f**k about the size thing.
He probably tought that it would be discussed only by nitpicking fans, the broad audience would not notice at all.
So why would he bother? Feel obligated to have them huge.
Like i said before huge engineers do not work in a script where the humans need to have interraction with an Engineer, especially a mano a mano fight.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 29, 2012, 10:48:28 AM
Spoiler
A juggernaut takes off in the horizon, voce over of Shaw sending a message to Earth HQ, do not find to track me, do not come to this planet, Shaw last survivor of the Prometheus...
Spoiler
Back to the Engineer body, his chest rips open, a proto xeno baby gets out of it, its weak like the one from Alien 3, it rises, its already as big as a human, its face is fully covered, then the skin kinda peel off revealing some sort of horse mouth. He shrieks.
Spoiler
I meant he screams, ALIEN like you know :)
The crew is composed of 17 people.
Spoiler
I did not really count how many die in the hangar attack but at least 3
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QuotePretty much like the Predalien from AVP.
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I was already a bit disapointed by the movie before those last spoilers but i expected that those last spoilers would renew my interest in this movie.
Alas.
Spoiler
My problem come first with the timeline of the human tech.
I would have prefered that Scott and co updated the timeline of the saga to a more realistic one, because this is,with the human tech, the only items in the serie which could be realistic, besides other minor things linked to astrophysics. For example they could have pushed back the whole saga some hundred of years or more likely a millenium back without looking ridiculous.
Also i expected an interstellar ship to be way more advanced than even the prometheus.
I somehow have a hard time to believe that a ship without EM shield or able to be that easily destroyed by a crash can make interstellar travels.
I don't know how they achieve FTL but it is certainly through going to another dimension or reality. Assuming that the conditions there can be radically different than in our reality, it sems to me that a ship able of FTL should have extreme defensive/shield capabilities. Especially when one remember what happen to Apollo 13 mission.
Last but not the least, artificial gravity could have induced a different/more efficient propulsion mean such as gravimetric.
Regarding the crew.
There is something i don't understand ,if David is so advanced, so poweful and reliable, why are there no more androids in the crew ? i mean it is not as if Weyland lack of money or lack of mean to build androids. The mercenary could have been war/battle optimized androids. In fact when you think of it Weyland could have brought with him a lot androids specialized in different fields (science, battle, etc...). It would seem more logical to have several androids in such mission. In fact the first expedition should have been only androids/probes and then the second expedition could include humans.
The use of more androids could have induced a very original dynamic like for example different androids questioning themselves about why they have been created and why is their purpose in the great scheme of things,etc...
Moreover it would have interesting to get androids facing the creature and the Jockey.
Regarding the creatures,
It is a bit disapointing that there were no more and more original creature.
There could have been some benevolent and extremly strange creature.
Also disapointed that the Shaw baby become a giant facehugger like creature.
Regarding the Jockey,
He is my biggest disappointment.
The way he goes berzerk and starts a rampage like a mere space version of Jason is extremly disapointing.
Would have been way more interesting, if he acted like a smart, cold being which use very sophisticated ways and means to play with the crew and either kill them or destroy them.
He show nothing which really prove that he is a superior being besides great physical strentgh.
Apparently he doesn't even use advanced weapon or tech to kill them.
In this way he is closer to a nephilim, and a very primitive one, than a god.
As i said in a previous post, i would be far more interested/frightened by a superior being who use his/her tech to play with the crew in very saddistic/horrific ways (reversible mutations, realistic hallucinations, very painful near death or simulated death experiences,etc...) just to let them after go and remember whatever he/she did to them.
A being who use advanced tech to simulate god like powers.
I do have one question for you NGR01
Spoiler
The creature at the end....is it on the same level as the Xeno in terms of design?
Timiteh, so you've seen the film?
Quote from: timiteh on May 29, 2012, 11:52:58 AM
I was already a bit disapointed by the movie before those last spoilers but i expected that those last spoilers would renew my interest in this movie.
Alas.
Spoiler
My problem come first with the timeline of the human tech.
I would have prefered that Scott and co updated the timeline of the saga to a more realistic one, because this is,with the human tech, the only items in the serie which could be realistic, besides other minor things linked to astrophysics. For example they could have pushed back the whole saga some hundred of years or more likely a millenium back without looking ridiculous.
Also i expected an interstellar ship to be way more advanced than even the prometheus.
I somehow have a hard time to believe that a ship without EM shield or able to be that easily destroyed by a crash can make interstellar travels.
I don't know how they achieve FTL but it is certainly through going to another dimension or reality. Assuming that the conditions there can be radically different than in our reality, it sems to me that a ship able of FTL should have extreme defensive/shield capabilities. Especially when one remember what happen to Apollo 13 mission.
Last but not the least, artificial gravity could have induced a different/more efficient propulsion mean such as gravimetric.
Regarding the crew.
There is something i don't understand ,if David is so advanced, so poweful and reliable, why are there no more androids in the crew ? i mean it is not as if Weyland lack of money or lack of mean to build androids. The mercenary could have been war/battle optimized androids. In fact when you think of it Weyland could have brought with him a lot androids specialized in different fields (science, battle, etc...). It would seem more logical to have several androids in such mission. In fact the first expedition should have been only androids/probes and then the second expedition could include humans.
The use of more androids could have induced a very original dynamic like for example different androids questioning themselves about why they have been created and why is their purpose in the great scheme of things,etc...
Moreover it would have interesting to get androids facing the creature and the Jockey.
Regarding the creatures,
It is a bit disapointing that there were no more and more original creature.
There could have been some benevolent and extremly strange creature.
Also disapointed that the Shaw baby become a giant facehugger like creature.
Regarding the Jockey,
He is my biggest disappointment.
The way he goes berzerk and starts a rampage like a mere space version of Jason is extremly disapointing.
Would have been way more interesting, if he acted like a smart, cold being which use very sophisticated ways and means to play with the crew and either kill them or destroy them.
He show nothing which really prove that he is a superior being besides great physical strentgh.
Apparently he doesn't even use advanced weapon or tech to kill them.
In this way he is closer to a nephilim, and a very primitive one, than a god.
As i said in a previous post, i would be far more interested/frightened by a superior being who use his/her tech to play with the crew in very saddistic/horrific ways (reversible mutations, realistic hallucinations, very painful near death or simulated death experiences,etc...) just to let them after go and remember whatever he/she did to them.
A being who use advanced tech to simulate god like powers.
I agree with some of that, you make some interesting points but all the stuff about the Prometheus is silly and taking geekism to the extreme, its going too far and makes no difference at all.
Hi NGR01, thanks for posting your thoughts on the movie. I'm not looking for any spoilers but I wanted to ask the following:
1. You mentioned that you were enjoying the movie until certain events in the plot started to spoil the film for you towards the end. Is this because what you were seeing on screen did not make sense in the context of the rest of the film or do you think Lindelof had written himself into a corner and couldn't provide a reasonable conclusion that ties into the events in Alien?
2. Which film would you say that Prometheus is most like? It doesn't have to be in the Alien franchise, just wanted to know what you would compare it to?
3. Did you feel the same way about Alien3 or Resurrection after the first viewing and do you still have the same opinion of those films now?
Thanks.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 11:53:40 AM
Timiteh, so you've seen the film?
No, but i trust NGR01 regarding the plot.
Moreover the trailers/features give enough elements combined with the spoilers to have a very clear idea of what is going on in the movie.
This doesn't mean that i won't Watch the movie.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 29, 2012, 11:51:12 AM
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QuotePretty much like the Predalien from AVP.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hahastop.com%2Fpictures%2FSpaz_Attack.jpg&hash=4172ec0f9b2c30eca4476c37b19422e6f3ad257d)
I meant the way the scene is played not the design.
You see what i mean?
Spoiler
Shaw has took off, screen goes black, then light again, we re back in the lifeboat.
Close up on the Engineer's body.
Chestbuster.
It react like the bambi buster from ALIEN 3.
Get on its feets, close up on its head, he screams.
Cut to black.
Timiteh,
about the Engineer reaction just read my new update on post 1 it might help you will understand.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 11:53:40 AM
I do have one question for you NGR01
Spoiler
The creature at the end....is it on the same level as the Xeno in terms of design?
Spoiler
Basicaly it's a xeno.
It was blackish green, doesnt have the tube on the back,felt less armor like more organic.
But he was a newborn so thats maybe because of that.
His head is elongated like the usual stuff, at first you can see no mouth.
The dome fully covers the head, then it kinda peels off under the chin revealing some sort of horse mouth.
Thanks god it did not ended with an inner jaw snapping at us...
I knew the film would end like that but i was hoping i was wrong. Its amazing really how much AVP style stuff is in this film. :-[
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 11:55:45 AM
I agree with some of that, you make some interesting points but all the stuff about the Prometheus is silly and taking geekism to the extreme, its going too far and makes no difference at all.
It can make a difference.
Some of my favorite movie/series (such as Babylon 5 or 2001) take the realism of whatever is human tech based very seriously and are more realistic/more interesting because of that. In fact as i said, it is one of the aspect of a science fiction movie which can quite easily be made realistic.
And if you think that what i wrote is geekism to the extreme, i find that it is average geekism. I don't even talk of energy sources and how the crash scene could have been made way more realistic and more destructive while taking in account energy source of prometheus.
Why on earth did they cast Guy Pearce as Weyland if he's not going to become young again??
Quote from: timiteh on May 29, 2012, 12:11:53 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 11:55:45 AM
I agree with some of that, you make some interesting points but all the stuff about the Prometheus is silly and taking geekism to the extreme, its going too far and makes no difference at all.
It can make a difference.
Some of my favorite movie/series (such as Babylon 5 or 2001) take the realism of whatever is human tech based very seriously and are more realistic/more interesting because of that. In fact as i said, it is one of the aspect of a science fiction movie which can quite easily be made realistic.
And if you think that what i wrote is geekism to the extreme, i find that it is average geekism. I don't even talk of energy sources and how the crash scene could have been made way more realistic and more destructive while taking in account energy source of prometheus.
Because 90% of the viewers won't pick up much or any of that, it makes little difference. Now i am one of the people moaning about the size of space jockey, it bugs me as we all know how big it is in ALIEN but again most viewers won't realise the difference or even care either way, it is a shame but this is a film designed for the masses, not us die hards.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
I knew the film would end like that but i was hoping i was wrong. Its amazing really how much AVP style stuff is in this film. :-[
AVP stole a lot of the original ALIEN script, since Scott went back to it it was biund to happen.
But no way PROMETHEUS is as bad as AVP.
Again like ALIEN was a B movie done in a A way.
Its all about who is behind the camera.
Scott is still a master at his art.
To me he just choosed the easy way.
Quote from: Symn on May 29, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
Why on earth did they cast Guy Pearce as Weyland if he's not going to become young again??
Because he's a good actor & they wanted someone with his presence in the viral TED talk?
Quote from: Symn on May 29, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
Spoiler
Why on earth did they cast Guy Pearce as Weyland if he's not going to become young again??
Spoilers mate!
Yep i still wonder.
The viral ted idea came after he was cast...
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
I knew the film would end like that but i was hoping i was wrong. Its amazing really how much AVP style stuff is in this film. :-[
AVP stole a lot of the original ALIEN script, since Scott went back to it it was biund to happen.
But no way PROMETHEUS is as bad as AVP.
Again like ALIEN was a B movie done in a A way.
Its all about who is behind the camera.
Scott is still a master at his art.
To me he just choosed the easy way.
I loved your
Spoiler
'thank god it didn't end with us being snapped by the inner jaws'
line in the other post lol, it made me laugh and would of destroyed the film for me (well not really but you know what i mean).
NGR01,
Thanks for all the effort you've put into your answers. I'm sorry for all the negative comments & attacks that have been made - they suck.
I've tried to follow the thread, so apologies if you've answered this already, but
Spoiler
how is the reveal of Weyland handled? How is he introduced into the film?
Thanks again for all your answers.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Spoiler
Shaw has took off, screen goes black, then light again, we re back in the lifeboat.
Close up on the Engineer's body.
Chestbuster.
It react like the bambi buster from ALIEN 3.
Get on its feets, close up on its head, he screams.
Cut to black.
Spoiler
Basicaly it's a xeno.
It was blackish green, doesnt have the tube on the back,felt less armor like more organic.
But he was a newborn so thats maybe because of that.
His head is elongated like the usual stuff, at first you can see no mouth.
The dome fully covers the head, then it kinda peels off under the chin revealing some sort of horse mouth.
Thanks god it did not ended with an inner jaw snapping at us...
I remember a fan script that ended with a scene not dissimilar to this and everyone baulked at it. They baulked at it because it was stupid. Like this ending.
What is the significance of the big head statue?
What is the significance of the xeno-like mural?
Anyone remember that fan sypnosis or leaked sypnosis or whatever that said something about one of the crew stealing Jockey tech and the jockey gets revenge by releasing xeno's onto the humans and the Prometheus?, i think an ending or last act like that would of been a much better ALIEN link than the one we have here (would of made it a better film as well imo).
Are the claims of Guillermo Del Toro legitimate regarding this film's likeness to IMOM story?
Is is ever reveal what attack/mishap befell the Engineers before the arrival of the Prometheus?
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
I knew the film would end like that but i was hoping i was wrong. Its amazing really how much AVP style stuff is in this film. :-[
hey avp was a good idea but they couldnt make it work :D
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Timiteh,
about the Engineer reaction just read my new update on post 1 it might help you will understand.
Well, i read. Thanks.
However
Spoiler
Why does he use his bare hands for his rampage and no more sophisticated ways or weapons ?
I mean if he is a soldier of an Advanced race specialized in biotech/bioweapon could have a specialized suit/armor with built-in weapons (cf the vorlon biorarmor in Babylon 5) ?
Btw, how does he manage to go after Shaw without helmet ?
Does his suit protect him ?
And how Shaw manage to pilot the Juggernaut ship ?
Does she wear a space jockey suit ?
Quote from: szkoki on May 29, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
I knew the film would end like that but i was hoping i was wrong. Its amazing really how much AVP style stuff is in this film. :-[
hey avp was a good idea but they couldnt make it work :D
I was so looking forward to AVP until i actually saw it :D. Looking back now, just the idea of 'vs' films are idiotic and for me its hard to take a film serious with a title like 'Alien vs Predator' or 'Freddy vs Jason' lol, its fine for videogames but a bit cringeworthy for movies imo.
Whilst NGR01 is good fun and all, all his posts are more about him, how he HATES being doubted and very little about the film...
He hasn't really said THAT MUCH about the film.
Guess he's still 'COLLATING' (more real reviews into his own)...
Quote from: Glaive on May 29, 2012, 12:42:04 PM
Whilst NGR01 is good fun and all, all his posts are more about him, how he HATES being doubted and very little about the film...
He hasn't really said THAT MUCH about the film.
Guess he's still 'COLLATING' (more real reviews into his own)...
To be fair, the film is only 3 days away for some of us so i doub't he would be wumming this close to release.
You kidding?
...this isn't about the film...this is about "LOOK AT ME!!"
Quote from: Glaive on May 29, 2012, 12:52:12 PM
You kidding?
...this isn't about the film...this is about "LOOK AT ME!!"
Well if he's been bullshitting then he should be banned imo and we will know soon enough, i don't think he is though.
NGR01 both loves and hates the film...
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee395%2FChrisPachi%2Fgullomeus.jpg&hash=fd6daa244658671d0675d7d56d6aede744a53c55)
;D
Ok, the one thing that makes the least sense to me is:
Spoiler
If the Jockeys didn't intend to create humankind and were on a mission to destroy us, why did they visit earth multiple times during our history and left the starmaps? All the people who claim to have seen the movie never mention that part and it's the very reason why the expedition gets launched in the first place.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
I knew the film would end like that but i was hoping i was wrong. Its amazing really how much AVP style stuff is in this film. :-[
AVP stole a lot of the original ALIEN script, since Scott went back to it it was biund to happen.
But no way PROMETHEUS is as bad as AVP.
Again like ALIEN was a B movie done in a A way.
Its all about who is behind the camera.
Scott is still a master at his art.
To me he just choosed the easy way.
I loved your Spoiler
'thank god it didn't end with us being snapped by the inner jaws'
;)
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 29, 2012, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Spoiler
Shaw has took off, screen goes black, then light again, we re back in the lifeboat.
Close up on the Engineer's body.
Chestbuster.
It react like the bambi buster from ALIEN 3.
Get on its feets, close up on its head, he screams.
Cut to black.
Spoiler
Basicaly it's a xeno.
It was blackish green, doesnt have the tube on the back,felt less armor like more organic.
But he was a newborn so thats maybe because of that.
His head is elongated like the usual stuff, at first you can see no mouth.
The dome fully covers the head, then it kinda peels off under the chin revealing some sort of horse mouth.
Thanks god it did not ended with an inner jaw snapping at us...
I remember a fan script that ended with a scene not dissimilar to this and everyone baulked at it. They baulked at it because it was stupid. Like this ending.
Its so fanservice and easy that we hoped Scott woul find something better... Alas...
Quote from: Vickers Valiant on May 29, 2012, 12:21:35 PM
What is the significance of the big head statue?
What is the significance of the xeno-like mural?
Spoiler
None of it are adressed.
you already seen all the murals in the trailer.
They do not change or morph but when the door is open the air enters and damages them (and the urns).
That room is some sort of ceremonial room, the xeno like sculpure we have seen is on the top of a little stair.
In front of it there is some sort of altar, with the same bowl that the sacrifice engineer uses in the opening scene.
My guess is that it is where the engineers grunts are given their orders by the engineer leader, they give the bowl of life/death to the engineer and he flies away in a juggernaut to fufill his mission.
I believe that the head sculpture is the face of their leader, regular engineers dont have the markings nor the giger like metallic strips on their faces.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
I knew the film would end like that but i was hoping i was wrong. Its amazing really how much AVP style stuff is in this film. :-[
I had the same feeling :-\
I felt like the film would end somehow like that too.
Spoiler
Kind of sad about how the Engineer acts i did imagine him as an strategist not like an brute.If there is a sequel i hope this white bald guy is just a "toy" used by the true engineers to create life.
This is what i thought it would happens:
*David awakes the Engineer.
*The Engineer speaks with David and somehow convinces him to take the crew a part and use the thing he finds inside the urn in himself .
*David Infects Holloway with one of the things in the urn too but as we saw he dies before turning into a Engineer.
*Shaw has been already infected.
*After some time David turn into a Engineer.
*David try to take care of the rest of the crew and the older Engineer take off the Juggernaut to Earth with unknown proposes.
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Lol Deuterium will bitch so much when he see this movie ;D
Quote from: armageddon on May 29, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
Ok, the one thing that makes the least sense to me is:
Spoiler
If the Jockeys didn't intend to create humankind and were on a mission to destroy us, why did they visit earth multiple times during our history and left the starmaps? All the people who claim to have seen the movie never mention that part and it's the very reason why the expedition gets launched in the first place.
As Lindelof has said: "More questions than answers."
In plain-speak: "No f**king idea really, I just bullshit my way around and people buy into it."
In corporate-speak: "Write us a movie that requires a sequel to make any sense, and you are hired."
Either way, a load of bullshit.
I have not told enough stuff about the movie and i'm talking about me???
WTF i spoiled the ending an major plot points whats wrong with you guys????
Are you mental? Blind? You can't read?
Guys i need help here am i dreaming????
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:02:21 PM
I have not told enough stuff about the movie and i'm talking about me???
WTF i spoiled the ending an major plot points whats wrong with you guys????
Are you mental? Blind? You can't read?
Guys i need help here am i dreaming????
You should just upload the movie, get it over with.
Yes, I know you don't have it, but if you don't do something on that order, these people are going to eat you alive.
Quote from: orchidal on May 29, 2012, 12:32:23 PM
Are the claims of Guillermo Del Toro legitimate regarding this film's likeness to IMOM story?
Is is ever reveal what attack/mishap befell the Engineers before the arrival of the Prometheus?
Well, i seriously don't see how AMOM look that similar to Prometheus ,from what we know up to now, to justify the cancelling of the AMOM movie.
Significant points of AMOM which don't seem to be in Prometheus:
Spoiler
In AMOM, the whole history of the elder beings is related by their records or the history of the engineers is not explained in Prometheus.
The shoggoth are created by the elder beings, are their servants and later rebel against them.
They are not weapons.
One shoggoth appear and try to kill the two scientist, protagonists of the story.
Whatever the engineers create is not their servant but a deadly weapon which apparently wiped only the engineers at the station. Moreover the creation of the Jockeys is not the main antagonist of the story but the jockey himself.
And last but not the least there was no mention of antagonist races of the jockey or the equivalent of the being seen by one of the scientist of AMOM ,which make him insane, in Prometheus. When it would have been an incredible way of ending Prometheus.
Quote from: timiteh on May 29, 2012, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Timiteh,
about the Engineer reaction just read my new update on post 1 it might help you will understand.
Well, i read. Thanks.
However
Spoiler
Why does he use his bare hands for his rampage and no more sophisticated ways or weapons ?
I mean if he is a soldier of an Advanced race specialized in biotech/bioweapon could have a specialized suit/armor with built-in weapons (cf the vorlon biorarmor in Babylon 5) ?
Btw, how does he manage to go after Shaw without helmet ?
Does his suit protect him ?
And how Shaw manage to pilot the Juggernaut ship ?
Does she wear a space jockey suit ?
Spoiler
He just woke up, dunno he has no time to take weapons.
Its not like he need too, he's powerfull, he gets a full blast to his chest from the merc and still keep forward.
You're right about the helmet thing when he goes after Shaw, we don't see him outside, you just have David telling to Shaw that he is coming, then you hear the ship AI (muthur, wich btw does speak at some moments with a male voice but is not adressed as muthur), sas breach or something like that, then you see thos shot of the Engineer in the corridor then assaulting shaw... Guess he left his helmet at the door...
We don't see david nor Shaw inside the juggernaut taking off.
You last see them in one of the crashed juggernaut exit, she's using a cord to drop david's body and put his head in a bag. Thats when they have the dialogue about goin to the engineers homeworld.
Then its a large shot with another juggernaut taking off in the horizon with shaws voce over...
NGR01, your doing all this on your own....critics are inevetible. Don't sweat them. Most are just jelous....others are skeptical because we've had so many dupes thus far like twittergurl .
Keep the post comin, you got most of our support but everyones attention regardless of opinion
All in all it sounds good, too bad they showed too much in the clips and I was hoping for more and stranger critters, but... So what.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 29, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: armageddon on May 29, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
Ok, the one thing that makes the least sense to me is:
Spoiler
If the Jockeys didn't intend to create humankind and were on a mission to destroy us, why did they visit earth multiple times during our history and left the starmaps? All the people who claim to have seen the movie never mention that part and it's the very reason why the expedition gets launched in the first place.
As Lindelof has said: "More questions than answers."
In plain-speak: "No f**king idea really, I just bullshit my way around and people buy into it."
In corporate-speak: "Write us a movie that requires a sequel to make any sense, and you are hired."
Either way, a load of bullshit.
Maybe because those starmaps weren't left by the engineers, but by the people that were warshiping them?
And the reaspn why we don't get the answer on why they created us is because of
Spoiler
Shaw is leaving at the end in a spaceship to go to their homeplanet and get the answer
And again, f**k the marketing fot his movie. They ruined the experience with al those tv spots, and unnecesary scenes from the trailers
Quote from: armageddon on May 29, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
Ok, the one thing that makes the least sense to me is:
Spoiler
If the Jockeys didn't intend to create humankind and were on a mission to destroy us, why did they visit earth multiple times during our history and left the starmaps? All the people who claim to have seen the movie never mention that part and it's the very reason why the expedition gets launched in the first place.
Who said they did not intent to create us????
Spoiler
Its clear that they made us on purpose.
Our dbd is identical, it's us says shaw when comparing them.
Nobody mention it becaus it's not adressed nor explained.
Those are the mysteries Lindeloff talked about.
I don't need his answers if you watch the movie and got a good grasp you got a good idea what was the point.
Well i'm a bit wrong, the whole why is kinda adressed when David contaminate Holloway, very cool dialogue between those two Hoilloway is drunk and pissed that they find no living engineer.
Holloway "i wanted to ask them, why they made us"
David "why did humans made us"
Holloway scoffs "Because we can"
David is hurt by the answer, then he retaliate something like "maybe it was the same for them".
Later when Davis is going to awaken the Engineer shaw ask the same question, why make us then destroy us?
David "sometime to create one must destroy" echoing also what he did to Holloway.
PROMETHEUS 2 is about Shaw finding that answer.
To me either they just were fed up with us and wanted to do something new and that its our planet that is the real important thing because it can sustain life, we have run our course so it's time to create anew.
Or because they saw us as a possible threat, we do end up creating life as they do.
Or because we are just not worthy, the first contact the surviving Engineer sees is human turning on each others (the merc hitting shaw) an he clearly do not like DAVID being artificial immitation of life that they created.
I have to say im in Timiteh's boat. I was hoping that the Jockey would be "Godlike" with sadistic, satanic, cold, and calculating ways of disposing with the crew. This could also be the crux of the movie, they go looking for god and find "Lucifer". At first, his abilities would have the crew convinced he is god, but throughout the movie they uncover that this is not the case and there is another level of hierarchy over him and his ilk. You would think he would have great telekinetic abilities to be able to control the biotech and biomech creatures like his demon horde.
This Jason in space does no credit to the "noble race" that Ash refers to.
Some glaring holes i have noticed without even seeing the movie are
Spoiler
Why is the Jockey in cryosleep? He just decided to take a 2000 year nap after the outbreak, then go to earth? Is he not reporting to someone else?
So is the jockey in Alien some totally different "bomb squad" member crashed in the SAME star system with the SAME bio weapon?
Are the escaped creatures the cobras? Why is there no evidence of these bursted creatures on the planet other than the holograms and corpses? Why wouldnt the SJ just disable the prometheus then let the creatures kill the humans while he leaves for earth?
The Jockey really comes across as a violent idiot.
The chestburster at the end is revealed to be a xeno but the SJ in alien had the pure form of the weapon, not the human hybrid version...so why would the xeno even be the same, making their no actual link between the two.
@chrispachi I truly, truly cant stand Lindelof. He tries to pose questions as if he is some great insightful philosopher but makes no effort at all to provide an answer, even if it just "his" answer. He defeats his own purpose. I believe he writes this kind of stuff on purpose....maybe he was picked on as a kid....Someone high up in Hollywood needs to flat out tell him we arent hiring you, you are a snake oil salesman, and your writing is bait and switch garbage.
Deep movies are supposed to make you think and draw from the conclusions of the writer. There is something to take a side on. Lindelof masquerades as being deep but its a long con.....there isnt anything to draw on....there is no statement made or viewpoint expressed. He cites "more questions than answers" as a style, but really its just poor writing. He has no intention of leading ANYONE off the island, its all lies, just like the MiB from lost. I actually believe that the smoke monster character is Lindelof writing about himself, the disdain he has for the island (show/movie/project) and its inhabitants (fans/viewers/producers). Instead of posing as dead people he is posing as a talented writer. Why does he always have a black shirt on in interviews? He is the ultimate Troll and ultimate enemy of the thinking person.
Truth is often associated with Light.
Falsehood is often associated with Darkness.
Asimov, Wells, Lovecraft, Clark, Verne, Rodenberry---> Prophets----> Light and true questions
Lindelof-->MiB--> literally "all smoke and mirrors"
Thanks to NGR01 for all of this...
argh i devoured the spoilers like mad. :D
Now i know what to expect.. the movie doesnt seem as bad as he makes it to be... far from it.
I'll see for myself soon.
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Looking forward to the new xeno design.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 29, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:02:21 PM
I have not told enough stuff about the movie and i'm talking about me???
WTF i spoiled the ending an major plot points whats wrong with you guys????
Are you mental? Blind? You can't read?
Guys i need help here am i dreaming????
You should just upload the movie, get it over with.
Yes, I know you don't have it, but if you don't do something on that order, these people are going to eat you alive.
LOL even if i could do that they would still doubt me LOL
BTW we ended up seeing the Engineer wake up and take off 3 times in the press screening.
The sound freezed 3 time.
The sound was so loud that the speakers eletricity turned off.
man i was so scared wyen the guy came on stage, i tough they were goin to cancel the screening.
He just said they were going to lower the voulume.
But it kinda killed the modd for a moment.
Quote from: orchidal on May 29, 2012, 01:17:55 PM
NGR01, your doing all this on your own....critics are inevetible. Don't sweat them. Most are just jelous....others are skeptical because we've had so many dupes thus far like twittergurl .
Keep the post comin, you got most of our support but everyones attention regardless of opinion
Thanks mate.
I'm just one of those galss half empty guys it seems lol.
Most of you are cool i should not focuse on the assholes...
Thing is i don't see what i could gain from this.
If i wanted fame or anything i would have written to AICN...
Wanted to share in priority with my fellow fans here.
Whatever...
;)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: armageddon on May 29, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
Ok, the one thing that makes the least sense to me is:
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If the Jockeys didn't intend to create humankind and were on a mission to destroy us, why did they visit earth multiple times during our history and left the starmaps? All the people who claim to have seen the movie never mention that part and it's the very reason why the expedition gets launched in the first place.
Who said they did not intent to create us????
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Its clear that they made us on purpose.
Our dbd is identical, it's us says shaw when comparing them.
Nobody mention it becaus it's not adressed nor explained.
Those are the mysteries Lindeloff talked about.
I don't need his answers if you watch the movie and got a good grasp you got a good idea what was the point.
Well i'm a bit wrong, the whole why is kinda adressed when David contaminate Holloway, very cool dialogue between those two Hoilloway is drunk and pissed that they find no living engineer.
Holloway "i wanted to ask them, why they made us"
David "why did humans made us"
Holloway scoffs "Because we can"
David is hurt by the answer, then he retaliate something like "maybe it was the same for them".
Later when Davis is going to awaken the Engineer shaw ask the same question, why make us then destroy us?
David "sometime to create one must destroy" echoing also what he did to Holloway.
PROMETHEUS 2 is about Shaw finding that answer.
To me either they just were fed up with us and wanted to do something new and that its our planet that is the real important thing because it can sustain life, we have run our course so it's time to create anew.
Or because they saw us as a possible threat, we do end up creating life as they do.
Or because we are just not worthy, the first contact the surviving Engineer sees is human turning on each others (the merc hitting shaw) an he clearly do not like DAVID being artificial immitation of life that they created.
If waht you said is right, about them wanting to destroy us since 2000 years ago who knows. But maybe we were never really suposed to evolve. Maybe we were just lab rats. Either an experiment among many others on different planets. Or maybe we were made to be part of the xeno lifecycle. Just cattle for breeding. Too similar with the avp movie but who knows. I'm sure this thing will be adressed in the sequel. It seems the primary reason fot them to make one.
Now i hope i'm not overanalysing but if 2000 years passed since they died, and this was a military base of theirs, how come no one from their species checked in on them. Don't they communicate with the homebase. Someone could have seen they last communications, send a ship to investigate and resume their mission in wiping earth. Guess we need to know more about how they operate, do things.
And NGR01 when that hologram plays with the engineers, do we see them getting killed by something? or just working on that platform and running around those tunnels?
Also any mention of Yutani? And do we get to see the insides of the other structures?
Quote from: Blacklabel on May 29, 2012, 01:32:06 PM
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Looking forward to the new xeno design.
Probably a dissapointing design. Don't get your hopes up
Lindelof is not as clever as he thinks. Him leaving us question is just him giving excuses for the plot holes.
I know many of you wanted a film that did not link to Alien but for that to happen you need a genuine talented writer. Lindeloff is not the man.
- why was the SJ in cryosleep for 2k years - in the exact same location where most of his comrades were butchered by something. Who freaking does that? Dumb.
- why was the SJ so pissed when he saw the humans?
- why did they want to destroy us
No doubt many will hide behind the "answers will be in sequel" excuse or say that somethings are best left mysterious BUT buuuuuuuuuuullshit to that!!!! There are no answers because Lindeloff has no freaking clue.
Is the synopsis on wikipedia accurate?
Also it appears that NG have seen an edited version of the film. One of my sources claims that there is more to the intro:
The sacrafise engineer was not alone. There was another that helped the humans evolve. They did it againts the wishes of the elder SJ. When they discover this they decide to destroy the humans but are sabotaged by the brother/friend of sacrafise who is in turned killed by the black liquid.
NGR01, I was wondering; It seems to be rather universal that the film's show stealers are Shaw and David (the latter especially, it seems), and I was wondering if you think either one would have any chance for getting an Oscar nomination for these roles?
Also, Kev Loaf, you're right about needing a great writer and what-not, and especially right that Lindelof really isn't as smart as he thinks he is, but there's still hope in the sequel: unless the script for it has already been written, there's always a chance Lindelof won't be picked to write/co-write the script. Especially if a different director picks up the new franchise from Ridley's hands, should he end up too busy on whatever that Blade Runner-related film will be.
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What will shaw fecking eat on her way to SJ homeplanet? Cobra alien worms or contents of the urns?Ah wait she will crawl into one of the sarcophagi freeze herself and let David pilot the ship... OH WAIT david is evil... OH WAIT *head explodes* This scenario been written by 12 year old drunk child right?
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 01:29:42 PM
I have to say im in Timiteh's boat. I was hoping that the Jockey would be "Godlike" with sadistic, satanic, cold, and calculating ways of disposing with the crew. This could also be the crux of the movie, they go looking for god and find "Lucifer". At first, his abilities would have the crew convinced he is god, but throughout the movie they uncover that this is not the case and there is another level of hierarchy over him and his ilk.
This Jason in space does no credit to the "noble race" that Ash refers too.
This is what bothered me too.
But read my original post update 2 about why and why that Engineers act like that.
Some glaring holes i have noticed without even seeing the movie are
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QuoteWhy is the Jockey in cryosleep? He just decided to take a 2000 year nap after the outbreak, then go to earth? Is he not reporting to someone else?
They were already leaving for Earth when the outbreak happened, at least 3 were already infected by xeno like creature.
The 3 sarcophagis with holes in their chest. The weirdest thing is that when David plays the hologram in the pilot room, the Engineers are not panicking or anything. They are just getting ready, talking to each other (you don't hear them just blurbs) like a flight crew getting ready. My first idea was that he was infected too and went into cryo to stop the growing of the parasite waiting for help... But no...
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So is the jockey in Alien some totally different "bomb squad" member crashed in the SAME star system with the SAME bio weapon?
Yes, still not sure if it happened at the same moment as the outbreak or will happen after the Prometheus mission.
Maybe in PROMETHEUS 2 they will adress directly that ship.
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Are the escaped creatures the cobras? Why is there no evidence of these bursted creatures on the planet other than the holograms and corpses? Why wouldnt the SJ just disable the prometheus then let the creatures kill the humans while he leaves for earth?
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The cobras are originally worms that the humans bring with them when they enter the Head room.
The worms mutate when in contact with the black goo leaking from the urns.
they never reappear after the Millburn Fifield attacks in the temple.
I was expecting that the 3rd act would have the humans and last engineer confronting the bursted creatures but no, they are nowhere to be find...
The engineers do not seems to have control on any creatures, they are like us.
They create shit and sometime it comes back to bite them in the ass it seems.
We can't control them they can either...
QuoteThe Jockey really comes across as a violent idiot.
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He's just a grunt who had a rude wake up call lol
He's pissed lol
QuoteThe chestburster at the end is revealed to be a xeno but the SJ in alien had the pure form of the weapon, not the human hybrid version...so why would the xeno even be the same, making their no actual link between the two.
Spoiler
Maybe simply because humans and engineer share exactly the same dna.
It is confirmed by Shaw when she analyse the engineer's head.
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 01:38:22 PM
And NGR01 when that hologram plays with the engineers, do we see them getting killed by something? or just working on that platform and running around those tunnels?
Thats is all.
You don't see anything else.
:-\
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on May 29, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
NGR01, I was wondering; It seems to be rather universal that the film's show stealers are Shaw and David (the latter especially, it seems), and I was wondering if you think either one would have any chance for getting an Oscar nomination for these roles?
Also, Kev Loaf, you're right about needing a great writer and what-not, and especially right that Lindelof really isn't as smart as he thinks he is, but there's still hope in the sequel: unless the script for it has already been written, there's always a chance Lindelof won't be picked to write/co-write the script. Especially if a different director picks up the new franchise from Ridley's hands, should he end up too busy on whatever that Blade Runner-related film will be.
I doubt there will be a sequel to be honest.
I was not expecting much from this. Many behaved like this was the second coming but I just quitely hoped it would put the franchise back on track. However, despite these low expectations I am bitterly disappointed after reading some of these spoilers. Its a piss poor story as far as I am concerned. Its dull and boring. Seen it all a million times.
The engineer could have been awesome but what we get instead is Jason Vorhees - f**king lame.
I have small hope that all these spoilers are BS but I doubt it. NG has no reason to lie.
Piss poor story.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 29, 2012, 01:44:39 PM
Also it appears that NG have seen an edited version of the film. One of my sources claims that there is more to the intro:
The sacrafise engineer was not alone. There was another that helped the humans evolve. They did it againts the wishes of the elder SJ. When they discover this they decide to destroy the humans but are sabotaged by the brother/friend of sacrafise who is in turned killed by the black liquid.
LOL yeah right ^^
This is BS but chose what you want to believe mate.
:)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:32:38 PM
Whatever...
;)
You have to watch out for those you help. Sometimes its not what people expect and they hate you for it.
If the story had some real twists and Scott and Lindelof thought of something ingenoius that none of us were thinking but at the same time makes a huge amount of sense, and other surprises, then I am sure people would be better disposed to your report.
Again - thanks for taking the time to write all this out.
Some of this is hard to believe. It really all feels like a dream - that this can't be true.
Truly Scott is much more interested in creating a vision and a feeling of dread than he is exploring the origins of mankind and the mysteries of extraterrestrial life. It really feels like they could have done so much more - but I guess with a two hour film and an audience that doesn't want to get that into all the science it makes sense to make a more linear film.
It would have been nice if there had been a stronger link to why the Juggernaut leaves and why they created us in the first place. Also if Weyland had a bigger role, and if the creation of the bioweapons was more fleshed out and logical - rather than having some simple mutating factor. That and many other things actually - and it seems a shame as I don't think any of that would have really flown over the heads of other people.
Quote from: Ruzena on May 29, 2012, 01:54:12 PM
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What will shaw fecking eat on her way to SJ homeplanet? Cobra alien worms or contents of the urns?Ah wait she will crawl into one of the sarcophagi freeze herself and let David pilot the ship... OH WAIT david is evil... OH WAIT *head explodes* This scenario been written by 12 year old drunk child right?
LOL
Qwertify,
ALIEN was a B movie done in a A way.
PROMETHEUS is the same, but on steroid action.
Thats is all. It can be apreciated for what it is.
They should have stayed with the idea of direct prequel (the movie would have worked perfectly like that) and not try to tackle those grand concept with lousy screenwriters.
Basically i blame Scott, he's the one who had the last word and he chosed poorly.
NGR01 anything on Yutani?
Spoiler
And maybe the reason why he gets in the cryo chambers is because they were all going to sleep on the journey to earth.They didn't know some of them are infected. So 4 of them get in the cryo tubes, and from 3 of them xenos errupt. Those xenos then start hunting the rest of the engineers in the ship and the base. Leavin only one engineer in cryo sleep, unaware of the devastation happening around him
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:54:23 PM
Some glaring holes i have noticed without even seeing the movie are
Spoiler
QuoteWhy is the Jockey in cryosleep? He just decided to take a 2000 year nap after the outbreak, then go to earth? Is he not reporting to someone else?
They were already leaving for Earth when the outbreak happened, at least 3 were already infected by xeno like creature.
The 3 sarcophagis with holes in their chest. The weirdest thing is that when David plays the hologram in the pilot room, the Engineers are not panicking or anything. They are just getting ready, talking to each other (you don't hear them just blurbs) like a flight crew getting ready. My first idea was that he was infected too and went into cryo to stop the growing of the parasite waiting for help... But no...
A possible explanation just crossed my mind, though it is a wee bit shaky:
Spoiler
Is it possible the Engineer decided to go into cyrosleep in order to 'wait out' the outbreak in order to survive?
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
NGR01 anything on Yutani?
Spoiler
And maybe the reason why he gets in the cryo chambers is because they were all going to sleep on the journey to earth.They didn't know some of them are infected. So 4 of them get in the cryo tubes, and from 3 of them xenos errupt. Those xenos then start hunting the rest of the engineers in the ship and the base. Leavin only one engineer in cryo sleep, unaware of the devastation happening around him
Not a word on Yutani.
As for your theory, maybe.
TimmyTurnersDad,
that works too.
Hello NGR01, you never confirmed to me if Prometheus is a good movie and better then the AVP's.
The engineer going into to cryo to wait out the events that happened at the base does not make sense.
Why would anyone decide to "wait out" in the exact same location the bad things happen. Also right next to 3 other sarcophigus with ingected engineers. Maybe he did not know they were infected but still a dumb place to hide.
No doubt, we will get a prequel of a prequel comic telling us what happened at the engineer base.
Bollocks to all of it. Piss poor story telling.
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on May 29, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
NGR01, I was wondering; It seems to be rather universal that the film's show stealers are Shaw and David (the latter especially, it seems), and I was wondering if you think either one would have any chance for getting an Oscar nomination for these roles?
Also, Kev Loaf, you're right about needing a great writer and what-not, and especially right that Lindelof really isn't as smart as he thinks he is, but there's still hope in the sequel: unless the script for it has already been written, there's always a chance Lindelof won't be picked to write/co-write the script. Especially if a different director picks up the new franchise from Ridley's hands, should he end up too busy on whatever that Blade Runner-related film will be.
Sci-Fi and Horror are not good genres for winning an Oscar. Actually I don't think there has ever been an Oscar winner who played in a Horror or Space Sci-Fi that won an academy award.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 29, 2012, 02:10:21 PM
Hello NGR01, you never confirmed to me if Prometheus is a good movie and better then the AVP's.
Lol I answered that question already just read and make up you mind.
Even better just wait and see the movie.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 29, 2012, 02:11:33 PM
Bollocks to all of it. Piss poor story telling.
SPOILERS MATE ;)
Rework your post with spoilers.
Thanks.
Fassbender is good but it's not oscar worthy.
Could have been if the story was treated right.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
NGR01 anything on Yutani?
Spoiler
And maybe the reason why he gets in the cryo chambers is because they were all going to sleep on the journey to earth.They didn't know some of them are infected. So 4 of them get in the cryo tubes, and from 3 of them xenos errupt. Those xenos then start hunting the rest of the engineers in the ship and the base. Leavin only one engineer in cryo sleep, unaware of the devastation happening around him
Not a word on Yutani.
As for your theory, maybe.
TimmyTurnersDad,
that works too.
If they gave clear shots of the holes in the 3 sarcophagi, added to the holograms then they will imply this happen. creatures emerged form the 3 engineers, punctured the sarcophagi, proceeded to kill everyone, so the ship never launched to go to earth, and the only survivor was this guy, forgotten. Either way i find it strange no one from their homeworld came to check in on them. If a sequel does happen, i dunno how they will pull it off. I don't want them to find a dead civilization with everything abandoned and old.
I'm in lectures viewing via mobile. Cannot spoiler. Sorry about that. Will do it when I get back.
Man, bitterly disappointed. I was not expecting much but this story is seriously shit. Its only a one notch improvement from AvP and AvPR as far as I'm concerned.
RS run of piss poor films continues. Not made a decent flick since Gladiator
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
NGR01 anything on Yutani?
Spoiler
And maybe the reason why he gets in the cryo chambers is because they were all going to sleep on the journey to earth.They didn't know some of them are infected. So 4 of them get in the cryo tubes, and from 3 of them xenos errupt. Those xenos then start hunting the rest of the engineers in the ship and the base. Leavin only one engineer in cryo sleep, unaware of the devastation happening around him
Not a word on Yutani.
As for your theory, maybe.
TimmyTurnersDad,
that works too.
If they gave clear shots of the holes in the 3 sarcophagi, added to the holograms then they will imply this happen. creatures emerged form the 3 engineers, punctured the sarcophagi, proceeded to kill everyone, so the ship never launched to go to earth, and the only survivor was this guy, forgotten. Either way i find it strange no one from their homeworld came to check in on them. If a sequel does happen, i dunno how they will pull it off. I don't want them to find a dead civilization with everything abandoned and old.
If a sequel does happen, I expect them to paper over some of the bullshit in Prometheus. They either invest in a good writer/director or don't bother. Del Toro would be an awesome choice.
I cant believe that Scott is that petty to allow a script that is designed to have a sequel. Its ok to have a few tangents that could lead to another movie, but every question you raise in a story should have its own answer within the same story. Reveal another layer at the end of the story that doesnt directly impact the story itself, but so far this screenplay seems like the opposite.....We will raise so many questions with no answers that "fans" will demand a sequel in which we will do the exact same thing. I think this is going to backfire in Lindelof and Scott's face just like a xeno if these synopsis' are true.
Ridley has stated he didnt like what the "non canon" Alien movies did with the xeno, but he has just done the exact same thing to his own SJ, trivialize the bad aliens, take away the space wonder element to be replaced with idiot humans and meaningless infighting.
They should have just called the movie "To Be Continued Part 1"
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
NGR01 anything on Yutani?
Spoiler
And maybe the reason why he gets in the cryo chambers is because they were all going to sleep on the journey to earth.They didn't know some of them are infected. So 4 of them get in the cryo tubes, and from 3 of them xenos errupt. Those xenos then start hunting the rest of the engineers in the ship and the base. Leavin only one engineer in cryo sleep, unaware of the devastation happening around him
Not a word on Yutani.
As for your theory, maybe.
TimmyTurnersDad,
that works too.
If they gave clear shots of the holes in the 3 sarcophagi, added to the holograms then they will imply this happen. creatures emerged form the 3 engineers, punctured the sarcophagi, proceeded to kill everyone, so the ship never launched to go to earth, and the only survivor was this guy, forgotten. Either way i find it strange no one from their homeworld came to check in on them. If a sequel does happen, i dunno how they will pull it off. I don't want them to find a dead civilization with everything abandoned and old.
Well a small moon orbiting a back waters planers is similar to a small island in the middle of the ocean on earth. It's pretty easy to be lost and forgotten even today. Still does not explain the time lapse. There has to be more that hasn't been shown. Maybe fox is banking the info on the blu-ray sales lol.
Maybe Prometheus will be two parts, like originally intended for the alien prequel; with shaw returning with gods fire in part two...
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:15:45 PM
Spoiler
If they gave clear shots of the holes in the 3 sarcophagi, added to the holograms then they will imply this happen. creatures emerged form the 3 engineers, punctured the sarcophagi, proceeded to kill everyone, so the ship never launched to go to earth, and the only survivor was this guy, forgotten. Either way i find it strange no one from their homeworld came to check in on them. If a sequel does happen, i dunno how they will pull it off. I don't want them to find a dead civilization with everything abandoned and old.
Spoiler
There is no clear shots of the holes in the sarcophagis.
I had to focus on them to make sure they were still there.
Stuff have been changed from the trailers (Fifiled doesnt have elongated limbs, no PROMETHEUS written all over the ship's hull) so it could have been the same for the holes.
Only Fifield adresses the holes in chest when he see the pile of dead engineers bodies in one of the corridors.
The movie is so set up for a sequel and franchise that its just lame.
they could have gave a lot in PROMETHEUS and there would be a lot to find but they chose not to...
TO BE CONTINUED the movie is perfect.
Pretty hard to believe the sequel is not already set...
And it's gonna be pretty awfull if the movie don't hit and they don't get to do the sequel as Scott's wants.
Because don't you fool yourselves we are going to get PROMETHEUS 2 but it's the box office numbers that will make it either a new Ridley Scott movie with more ambition or just another Paul Aanderson shit.
Fox is not gonna let go this new franchise.
It would need to really bomb for FOX to leave it be.
But i doubt the movie will bomb, no way it will make its money back and even more on dvd.
Prepare for Engineer VS Aliens VS Predators ^^
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 29, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
I'm in lectures viewing via mobile. Cannot spoiler. Sorry about that. Will do it when I get back.
Man, bitterly disappointed. I was not expecting much but this story is seriously shit. Its only a one notch improvement from AvP and AvPR as far as I'm concerned.
RS run of piss poor films continues. Not made a decent flick since Gladiator
I kind of understand now why Scott went that way.
Look at Camron's Avatar. It is basically Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas combined except that one guys mind is linked in to an Alien species to help find some special resource. The rest is Company vs. Natives. That made a ton of money.
I really think that Scott was doing the same - make a visually superb film with a functional plot and some real good actors and let the ticket sales pile up. Nothing wrong with that at all. I guess we will have to settle for getting the real ideas in book format.
Spoiler
So much for the ATMOM connection del Toro. I guess you can stop crying and make your movie now.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 02:12:25 PMSci-Fi and Horror are not good genres for winning an Oscar. Actually I don't think there has ever been an Oscar winner who played in a Horror or Space Sci-Fi that won an academy award.
Well, some might say that "Silence of the Lambs" is a horror film. Or pretty close to one, anyway.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 29, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
I'm in lectures viewing via mobile. Cannot spoiler. Sorry about that. Will do it when I get back.
Man, bitterly disappointed. I was not expecting much but this story is seriously shit. Its only a one notch improvement from AvP and AvPR as far as I'm concerned.
RS run of piss poor films continues. Not made a decent flick since Gladiator
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
NGR01 anything on Yutani?
Spoiler
And maybe the reason why he gets in the cryo chambers is because they were all going to sleep on the journey to earth.They didn't know some of them are infected. So 4 of them get in the cryo tubes, and from 3 of them xenos errupt. Those xenos then start hunting the rest of the engineers in the ship and the base. Leavin only one engineer in cryo sleep, unaware of the devastation happening around him
Not a word on Yutani.
As for your theory, maybe.
TimmyTurnersDad,
that works too.
If they gave clear shots of the holes in the 3 sarcophagi, added to the holograms then they will imply this happen. creatures emerged form the 3 engineers, punctured the sarcophagi, proceeded to kill everyone, so the ship never launched to go to earth, and the only survivor was this guy, forgotten. Either way i find it strange no one from their homeworld came to check in on them. If a sequel does happen, i dunno how they will pull it off. I don't want them to find a dead civilization with everything abandoned and old.
If a sequel does happen, I expect them to paper over some of the bullshit in Prometheus. They either invest in a good writer/director or don't bother. Del Toro would be an awesome choice.
I know this movie is going to better then the AVP's.
Predators was better then the two AVP movies once all of seen it.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 29, 2012, 02:11:33 PM
The engineer going into to cryo to wait out the events that happened at the base does not make sense.
Why would anyone decide to "wait out" in the exact same location the bad things happen. Also right next to 3 other sarcophigus with ingected engineers. Maybe he did not know they were infected but still a dumb place to hide.
No doubt, we will get a prequel of a prequel comic telling us what happened at the engineer base.
Bollocks to all of it. Piss poor story telling.
Again, it's a shaky idea, but it makes a certain amount of sense to me. If he knew the other engineers were all infected and gone for, being in cyrosleep at least means that if he were to die, it'd be in his sleep. And assuming that the monsters involved in the outbreak were all mortal (including the three xeno-related creatures that burst from the other three engineers), going into cryosleep at least offers the chance of waiting out the creature all slowly dying out.
Also, the idea of Del Toro directing a sequel sounds great to me.
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There is also inconsistencies within the new trailers. The SJ is seen with a hole in his chest, this isnt explained. The SJ pursuing Shaw is burnt up and "decaying" yet while he is being overtaken by cuddles his suit and face are immaculate and this happens after he pursues her.
If the SJ's were preparing to leave for Earth 2000 years ago why would it take so long to get airborne, why are they all on the same ship, wouldnt they be in their respective ships and the outbreak be happening on all of them? No craft have taken off or bay doors opened. Obviously, the SJ can just take off immediately when we wakes up
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Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 02:12:25 PMSci-Fi and Horror are not good genres for winning an Oscar. Actually I don't think there has ever been an Oscar winner who played in a Horror or Space Sci-Fi that won an academy award.
Well, some might say that "Silence of the Lambs" is a horror film. Or pretty close to one, anyway.
Yeah, that is more like a Thriller / Psychological Thriller. IMDB has it under Thriller. Prometheus is also a Thriller for sure - but generally intensive screaming, or playing a robot don't impress the Academy too much. They are looking for roles that really bring out new and sophisticated emotions of people in real situation. So if you play a robot - there is no link to human emotion and so all your chances drop to zero. That is just my opinion in terms of what the Academy will think. I however think the acting the film is top notch and incredibly enjoyable to watch.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 02:25:43 PM
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So much for the ATMOM connection del Toro. I guess you can stop crying and make your movie now.
No shit, Qwertify! :laugh: I'm all aboard this idea.
Everyones opinions are not complete at all in this topic (Except NGR01 because he seen the movie), this is no different back in 2010 when people heard about the spoilers of Predators, they were confused and thought the movie was not worth watching then when they seen it they were happy.
Looks like people are feeling confused about Prometheus because of the confusing spoilers.
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Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 29, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
I'm in lectures viewing via mobile. Cannot spoiler. Sorry about that. Will do it when I get back.
Man, bitterly disappointed. I was not expecting much but this story is seriously shit. Its only a one notch improvement from AvP and AvPR as far as I'm concerned.
RS run of piss poor films continues. Not made a decent flick since Gladiator
I kind of understand now why Scott went that way.
Look at Camron's Avatar. It is basically Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas combined except that one guys mind is linked in to an Alien species to help find some special resource. The rest is Company vs. Natives. That made a ton of money.
I really think that Scott was doing the same - make a visually superb film with a functional plot and some real good actors and let the ticket sales pile up. Nothing wrong with that at all. I guess we will have to settle for getting the real ideas in book format.
Say what you want about AVATAR but it had a gigantic scope, it teased you but then it delivers.
You don't get to meet an poor navi stranded alone, but a whole culture and civilization.
I was expecting A a dark side to that from PROMETHEUS.
But that is for the sequel YAY!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
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There is also inconsistencies within the new trailers. The SJ is seen with a hole in his chest, this isnt explained. The SJ pursuing Shaw is burnt up and "decaying" yet while he is being overtaken by cuddles his suit and face are immaculate and this happens after he pursues her.
If the SJ's were preparing to leave for Earth 2000 years ago why would it take so long to get airborne, why are they all on the same ship, wouldnt they be in their respective ships and the outbreak be happening on all of them? No craft have taken off or bay doors opened. Obviously, the SJ can just take off immediately when we wakes up
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Well as mentioned before by NGR, the Engineer was infected by Cuddles and then Cuddles dies. Perhaps later Shaw runs into the Engineer again when he is infected and that is why he looks like that. Later she manages to escape and SJ is CBed.
They perhaps were all trying to leave and were preparing but that plan was immediately canned when the outbreak happened. So no ships or bays were opened as everyone was leaving the cockpit to avoid contamination/get away from the temple.
Uh.. Maybe the engineer acts the way he does because he's infected..
Ridley did say he wanted to scare the ish out of people.
All he would need to do for that is just display that Lindelof rewrote the whole story in the opening credits.
Back to the topic
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Wouldnt the SJ's have some sort of quarantine/detection system? They can manipulate DNA but cant manipulate or monitor their own? Even on a basic electronic device you can backup what you need, and reload the os to its base state in order to remove a virus if a detection/removal system doesnt work. You would think this would be easy for a near immortal biomechanical humanoid. Im still wondering if the lone SJ planned the infection of his crew, and thought he could hide away, just like Weyland tries to do
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 02:37:48 PM
Say what you want about AVATAR but it had a gigantic scope, it teased you but then it delivers.
You don't get to meet an poor navi stranded alone, but a whole culture and civilization.
I was expecting A a dark side to that from PROMETHEUS.
But that is for the sequel YAY!!!!!!!!!
As I said - there is nothing wrong with what Cameron did. He didn't appeal to a small minority of science fan boys for sure - but he did nail it with pretty much everyone else. I think Scott was trying to do the same. Make a visually stunning and epic story with a more or less linear plot and try to make a bunch of money.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
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There is also inconsistencies within the new trailers. The SJ is seen with a hole in his chest, this isnt explained. The SJ pursuing Shaw is burnt up and "decaying" yet while he is being overtaken by cuddles his suit and face are immaculate and this happens after he pursues her.
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Well spoted mate you're good.
I was going to adress this.
There is something wrong with that scene.
It was fast so i dont rememeber if when he rushes toward Shaw he was burnt like in the trailer.
But its clear that his face is almost clean when he towers over Shaw grabbing her by the neck.
It's a closeup of his face then behind hum you see the medpod door opening and Tentacles grabbing him by the neck.
I have not seen neither in the movie that shot where he put her against Vickers quarters chandeliers...
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If the SJ's were preparing to leave for Earth 2000 years ago why would it take so long to get airborne, why are they all on the same ship, wouldnt they be in their respective ships and the outbreak be happening on all of them? No craft have taken off or bay doors opened. Obviously, the SJ can just take off immediately when we wakes up
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That is the weirdest thing, ike i said when you see them getting ready to leave they are not panicking or anything.
And yet 3 sarcophagis are punctured and the ship dis not took off...
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I have to say though - finding out that the human race was supposed to be annihilated 2000 years ago but wasn't because of an outbreak of some bio-weapon is pretty horrifying. It seems like it will only be a matter of time before they find out that whatever was supposed to happen didn't, and will have to come in eventually to finish the job. Pretty harrowing.
Quote from: BioMechanical on May 29, 2012, 02:40:00 PM
Uh.. Maybe the engineer acts the way he does because he's infected..
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flovethatfeeling.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F05%2Fi-get-it.gif&hash=3da06f51e287421d1cd671bd3b49bbbf7ab4d172)
One of the
many things I'm sure there's more detail about.
Sooo..... lol, AVATAR is better than this?....
can't believe................ :'(
NGR01 if there is a sequel planned and under way, i'm sure that after we will see it it will make for a beautiful experience along with the first movie. But now it's frustrating cause there are things left in the air, we don't know if a sequel will happen for sure, plus we gt our own scenarios of how things should be, so dissapointment is inevitable
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
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There is also inconsistencies within the new trailers. The SJ is seen with a hole in his chest, this isnt explained. The SJ pursuing Shaw is burnt up and "decaying" yet while he is being overtaken by cuddles his suit and face are immaculate and this happens after he pursues her.
I was just watching the gifs of that scene. confusing indeed. The dude looks good when he is fighting the monster, then with shaw he looks wounded, burned up maybe by acid implying that this takes place after the fight with squidy, not before. Who knows
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
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That is the weirdest thing, ike i said when you see them getting ready to leave they are not panicking or anything.
And yet 3 sarcophagis are punctured and the ship dis not took off...
Not really weird. Maybe the hologram thingy stoped recording after they finished preparations for the mission and got into the cryo pods.Then as soon as the xenos came out and possibly an alarm triggered it started recording again, mainly the other engineers trying to escape. It would have made a great scene seeing a hologram recording of them being murdered by these creatures. And the humans viewing these starting to get scared at weird things they are seeing
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 02:37:48 PM
Say what you want about AVATAR but it had a gigantic scope, it teased you but then it delivers.
You don't get to meet an poor navi stranded alone, but a whole culture and civilization.
I was expecting A a dark side to that from PROMETHEUS.
But that is for the sequel YAY!!!!!!!!!
As I said - there is nothing wrong with what Cameron did. He didn't appeal to a small minority of science fan boys for sure - but he did nail it with pretty much everyone else. I think Scott was trying to do the same. Make a visually stunning and epic story with a more or less linear plot and try to make a bunch of money.
iI get your point mate ;)
i was not talking about the flaws or quality of AVATAR story but the fact that it promised epic and delivered it.
Unlike PROMETHEUS.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 02:42:05 PM
Ridley did say he wanted to scare the ish out of people.
All he would need to do for that is just display that Lindelof rewrote the whole story in the opening credits.
The movie is by no way scary.
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The wormalien scene is effective, but since the characters are pretty goofy it dimish its intensity.
SHAW medpod scene is really cool and tense, but 2 things kinda diminish it also.
The music amps the action too much, the same scene with only shaw's voice, loud breathing and sound effects would have been much better, and of course the lame octopus that comes out of her belly....
My god what was Scott thinking...
Transformetheus will save the day
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LOL @ lame octopus
I heard there will be a version out with 17 extra minutes of footage, not in theatres tho. Theron said in an interview. Jope the 17 minutes will answer some questions...
Something tells me that people will treat the octopuss creature like the Newborn from Alien Resurrection.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sideshowtoy.com%2Fmas_assets%2Fjpg%2F9119_press01-001.jpg&hash=240647f76002d39f11dffcbfffda27fa1004e45a)
Whats with the hate for these Aliens?.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 02:47:00 PM
Quote from: BioMechanical on May 29, 2012, 02:40:00 PM
Uh.. Maybe the engineer acts the way he does because he's infected..
http://lovethatfeeling.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/i-get-it.gif
One of the many things I'm sure there's more detail about.
LOL no guys sorry.
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He's all "normal" when he wakes up, its only after a few minutes after David talks to him, that the merc hit Shaw and that he realize that David is an artifical being that he get pissed.
He gets infected only by Shaw's giant baby octopus/facehugger ^^
Quote from: mastermoon on May 29, 2012, 02:58:36 PM
Something tells me that people will treat the octopuss creature like the Newborn from Alien Resurrection.
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/9119_press01-001.jpg
Whats with the hate for these Aliens?.
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Small octopus extracted from womans belly that is locked in med bay and in few hours enlarges its mass by approximately 10 000% in size without food supply only to f**king infest random victim and then die? WHAT THE f**k tahts the most useless bioweapon or whatever shit its meant to be in the galaxy
But tentacles are scary amirite?
Quote from: CanisMajoris on May 29, 2012, 02:49:41 PM
Sooo..... lol, AVATAR is better than this?....
can't believe................ :'(
Nobody said that.
Don't take shortcuts.
;)
Hi NGR01, thanks for posting your thoughts on the movie. I'm not looking for any spoilers but I wanted to ask the following:
1. You mentioned that you were enjoying the movie until certain events in the plot started to spoil the film for you towards the end. Is this because what you were seeing on screen did not make sense in the context of the rest of the film or do you think Lindelof had written himself into a corner and couldn't provide a reasonable conclusion that ties into the events in Alien?
2. Which film would you say that Prometheus is most like? It doesn't have to be in the Alien franchise, just wanted to know what you would compare it to?
3. Did you feel the same way about Alien3 or Resurrection after the first viewing and do you still have the same opinion of those films now?
Thanks.
From what i gather... the ending seems to have a certain poetic-ness to it.
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Shaw and David going into space, still hell bent on searching for answers after all that's happened. "How far would you be willing to go?" Apparently shaw is willing to go into hell if she needs to. That's a nice statement about the character right there. The ending seems just as "incomplete" as the one in District 9.. with Wilkus transformed into an alien and waiting for his friend to return from space with the cure. I was quite happy with that ending. Maybe i'll like this one too.. let's see ;) June 7th cant get here soon enough!
Quote from: Blacklabel on May 29, 2012, 03:17:34 PM
From what i gather... the ending seems to have a certain poetic-ness to it.
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Shaw and David going into space, still hell bent on searching for answers after all that's happened. "How far would you be willing to go?" Apparently shaw is willing to go into hell if she needs to. The ending seems just as "incomplete" as the one in District 9.. with Wilkus transformed into an alien and waiting for his friend to return from space with the cure. I was quite happy with that ending. Maybe i'll like this one too.. let's see ;) June 7th cant get here soon enough!
That may be helped by the fact that
dat mech scene was the coolest f**king thing ever put on film in the history of all things known to man. :laugh:
Quote from: replicon on May 29, 2012, 03:09:42 PM
Hi NGR01, thanks for posting your thoughts on the movie. I'm not looking for any spoilers but I wanted to ask the following:
You're welcome mate :)
Quote1. You mentioned that you were enjoying the movie until certain events in the plot started to spoil the film for you towards the end. Is this because what you were seeing on screen did not make sense in the context of the rest of the film or do you think Lindelof had written himself into a corner and couldn't provide a reasonable conclusion that ties into the events in Alien?
it does make sense, it works, its just the easy route.
It lacks the ambition i've witnessed for almost 80mins.
I did not care for any ties to ALIEN, it was not necessarry to enjoy the movie.
It's obvious we are in the ALIEN universe, the final moment felt like pure fanservice AVP style shit.
Quote2. Which film would you say that Prometheus is most like? It doesn't have to be in the Alien franchise, just wanted to know what you would compare it to?
I would say that its Alien mixed with Avatar for its neat production design.
But basically its ALIEN the original script with more action.
Quote3. Did you feel the same way about Alien3 or Resurrection after the first viewing and do you still have the same opinion of those films now?
I like Alien 3 when i saw it intially, even if its a lot a rehash of ALIEN i loved its acting, sets, direction.
Hated and still hate Resurrection upt to this day, i like the production design tho.
Hope it helps :)
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on May 29, 2012, 03:17:34 PM
From what i gather... the ending seems to have a certain poetic-ness to it.
Spoiler
Shaw and David going into space, still hell bent on searching for answers after all that's happened. "How far would you be willing to go?" Apparently shaw is willing to go into hell if she needs to. The ending seems just as "incomplete" as the one in District 9.. with Wilkus transformed into an alien and waiting for his friend to return from space with the cure. I was quite happy with that ending. Maybe i'll like this one too.. let's see ;) June 7th cant get here soon enough!
That may be helped by the fact that dat mech scene was the coolest f**king thing ever put on film in the history of all things known to man. :laugh:
AMEN!
Nothing that cool in PROMETHEUS sadly.
JASON X powaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ^^
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 03:19:56 PM
That may be helped by the fact that dat mech scene was the coolest f**king thing ever put on film in the history of all things known to man. :laugh:
That too. :D
So when the engineer suits up does he still wear the suit when he gets off the chair or does it just disassemble and stay on the chair?
Quote from: darkbladeclan6438 on May 29, 2012, 03:26:12 PM
So when the engineer suits up does he still wear the suit when he gets off the chair or does it just disassemble and stay on the chair?
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He only wear what he has when he wakes up.
Some sort of light suit, fused with his body, around the neck, forearms and ankles.
For exemple the naked sacrifice Engineer is just like a huge buffed humans, no biomechnical stuff on him.
When the surviving engineer gets into the chair, the helmet (wich is divided in 3 parts middle and both sides) descends on him, its attached to the chair. Then other parts appears from the chair, basically the shot you've seen in the trailer.
You don't see him getting up out of the chair, no inside shot of the juggernaut when its hit by the Prometheus.
Next time you see him after the taking off, it's inside the Prometheus lifeboat hunting Shaw, he does not have the helmet with him.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
it does make sense, it works, its just the easy route.
It lacks the ambition i've witnessed for almost 80mins.
I did not care for any ties to ALIEN, it was not necessarry to enjoy the movie.
It's obvious we are in the ALIEN universe, the final moment felt like pure fanservice AVP style shit.
So in short it was as we feared. Lindelof stirred up a bunch of mystery and failed to deliver in the end.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
it does make sense, it works, its just the easy route.
It lacks the ambition i've witnessed for almost 80mins.
I did not care for any ties to ALIEN, it was not necessarry to enjoy the movie.
It's obvious we are in the ALIEN universe, the final moment felt like pure fanservice AVP style shit.
So in short it was as we feared. Lindelof stirred up a bunch of mystery and failed to deliver in the end.
It's worst mate.
They chosed not deliver.
The answers are here (read my updated initial post) but they did not go that way.
Saving it for the sequel? Too expensive? Too ALIEN? Or simply because they tought they should not adress it directly so that the fans would say wow that is clever...
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Having an Engineer going all Jason x on Shaw is the worst option possible.
Ah yes!!!!!!! Can you please debunk the famous *space cat* scene from one of the earlier trailers? What it really is please.
So some people say that David and the Engineer sort of bond and it is from David that the Engineer learns of Earth.
Also one of the call sheets say that the engineer is thrown from his seat.
Also that Weyland is part robot and that this enables him to interact with Engineer technology.
Any thoughts on this? Or like how much of this is false and how much of it do we see in the film.
Quote from: Ruzena on May 29, 2012, 03:43:28 PM
Ah yes!!!!!!! Can you please debunk the famous *space cat* scene from one of the earlier trailers? What it really is please.
What space cat scene?
The blurry screenshot from someone filming a video?
People started to see things in it.
Nothing to debunk there.
Not cat whatsoever.
:)
It seems to me:
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That his movie is really about Weyland, and his desire to get ahold of the Jockey technology is the crutch of the 'Prometheus' mythology and where the alien comes from in a round-about way.
The Jockeys using the proto-DNA as a weapon to wipe out humanity, and the derelicts being the 'bombers,' is a basic answer to the questions, but it isn't surprising as Scott said this was how he felt about the story for years. That further explains why they could gloss over much of that in this film and save it for a sequel.
Really, I'm not bothered by this at all. We still get black goo, mutants, cuddles, jockeys, Weyland drama... sounds like a complete movie overall. The creation/destruction and god shit is still there, but it's riding alongside the human get-the-technology drama that's present in all of the Alien films.
Kind of fitting, I think, even if we don't get much expansion on the deeper themes.
Director's Cut, go!
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
Quote from: darkbladeclan6438 on May 29, 2012, 03:26:12 PM
So when the engineer suits up does he still wear the suit when he gets off the chair or does it just disassemble and stay on the chair?
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He only wear what he has when he wakes up.
Some sort of light suit, fused with his body, around the neck, forearms and ankles.
For exemple the naked sacrifice Engineer is just like a huge buffed humans, no biomechnical stuff on him.
When the surviving engineer gets into the chair, the helmet (wich is divided in 3 parts middle and both sides) descends on him, its attached to the chair. Then other parts appears from the chair, basically the shot you've seen in the trailer.
You don't see him getting up out of the chair, no inside shot of the juggernaut when its hit by the Prometheus.
Next time you see him after the taking off, it's inside the Prometheus lifeboat hunting Shaw, he does not have the helmet with him.
This to me doesnt even make any sense within the story.
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all the other SJ's have their helmets on all the time but our SJ doesnt get his own....he has to use the chair
Whats really dumb is that the original idea for this movie was about the space jockey from alien. Then they said no its not a prequel its standalone with alien dna. What the hell does this even mean?
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This is a pointless, empty statement from either side of the coin with the way they have ended the movie with the lv223 sj getting chestbursted. Why even do this?.....and if you do, why not go ahead have the SJ be the one from alien? You can still have a sequel with shaw's journey. It pointless to say its not a prequel or a standalone then end it with a different SJ being bursted by a "different but the same" xeno on a different planet in the SAME solar system. Unnecessary and uneffective diversions in storyline. Either make it tie in or dont. Either use SJs and xenos or dont. DO NOT paint it a different color on a different planet IN THE SAME SOLAR SYSTEM and say its all fresh and original. I swear this Lindelof guy cant read or doesnt proofread his own work. Which makes me wonder, doesnt Ridley spot this nonsense? Doesn't the Studio ask WTF?
Its just like me making a movie in the Star Wars universe about "Jack Walkskyer" finding out his father is "Varth Dader" but my movie is on the planet "Life Star" and i call it different and standalone with strands of Jedi DNA. Why not just make another SW movie on the other side of the universe with simple nods to the empire and jedi that has nothing to do with the Anakin Saga. You wouldnt because SW IS JEDI/SITH. Just like the Alien universe IS humans, jockeys, and xenos. (possibly Predators too). Why even associate it all with alien if your publicly trying to distance yourself from it. The new star trek used plot devices to bring in a new cast, they didnt delete Kirk ,Spock, Scottie, etc and say "this is in the Star trek universe with strands of Enterprise in it". Its meaningless.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
This to me doesnt even make any sense within the story.
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all the other SJ's have their helmets on all the time but our SJ doesnt get his own....he has to use the chair
Yeah, what's up with those 4 Jokey statues at the bridge entrance we see in the trailers?
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
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So some people say that David and the Engineer sort of bond and it is from David that the Engineer learns of Earth.
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This was from my synopsis called PARADISE ;)
I still think my take was cool, especially the human Engineer angle.
Having David or Weyland becoming prometheus would have been a great story arc i think.
Dunno maybe i'm too much in love with my ideas lol
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QuoteAlso one of the call sheets say that the engineer is thrown from his seat.
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yes, the scene probably have been shot but its not in the theatrical cut.
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QuoteAlso that Weyland is part robot and that this enables him to interact with Engineer technology.
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Weyland wears a spacesuit that has an exokeleton added thats it.
His only interaction with Engineer tech is when the Engineer uses David head to hit him and kill him.
Weyland is awaken in the Prometheus, Shaw meet him right after the medpod scene, he give her a speech about why he's here, to meet his maker and have more life (hello Roy Batty ^^), Then he has a discussion with Vickers in her quarters, she tells her thats if he goes to meet the Engineer he's gonna die, she gives the speech about a king has its reign and he must die, Weyland ask why the took the trip, she says no way she was goin to stay on Earth in the boardroom looking at people fighting over the company, She kneel and trie to touch his hands saying father, he removes his hand and ask her to get everything ready. She leaves clearly hurt by her father's lack of love (he clearly plrefers his "son" DAVID). Then they go to meet the Engineer, he ask David to tell the Engineer why they are here, Engineer goes berzerk, Weyland gets hit in the head, fall with a huge wound to his head near the severed David's head:
"DAVID, there is nothing..."
"I know sir." Weyland dies "Have a good journey Mr Weyland".
Vickers see this on video feed she do seem a bit sad...
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
This to me doesnt even make any sense within the story.
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all the other SJ's have their helmets on all the time but our SJ doesnt get his own....he has to use the chair
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I doubt the helmet is only available on the chair.
The other SJ are seen fleeing a contamination so i guess it's normal they wear their helmet.
Even if inside the temple the air is breathable.
Quote from: armageddon on May 29, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Yeah, what's up with those 4 Jokey statues at the bridge entrance we see in the trailers?
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Not directly adressed.
David just pass them by when he enters the pilot room.
Since we are in the ship and not anymore in the temple, i'll go with suits and not statues.
Save for the Head room with its mural and altar there is no decoration.
This a a ship and those are extra suits i guess.
The Engineers do not wear them when they go in cryo.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
Whats really dumb is that the original idea for this movie was about the space jockey from alien. Then they said no its not a prequel its standalone with alien dna. What the hell does this even mean?Spoiler
This is a pointless, empty statement from either side of the coin, the way they have ended the movie with the lv223 sj getting chestbursted. Why even do this?.....and if you do, why not go ahead have the SJ be the one from alien? You can still have a sequel with shaw's journey. It pointless to say its not a prequel or a standalone then end it with a different SJ being bursted by a "different but the same" xeno on a different planet in the SAME solar system. Unnecessary and uneffective diversions in storyline. Either make it tie in or dont. I swear this Lindelof guy cant read or proofread his own work.
Its just like me making a movie in the Star Wars universe about "Jack Walkskyer" finding out his father is "Varth Dader" but my movie is on the planet "Life Star" and i call it different and standalone with strands of Jedi DNA. Why not just make another SW movie on the other side of the universe with simple nods to the empire and jedi that has nothing to do with the Anakin Saga. You wouldnt because SW IS JEDI/SITH. Just like the Alien universe IS humans, jockeys, and xenos. (possibly Predators too). Why even associate it all with alien if your publicly trying to distance yourself from it. The new star trek used plot devices to bring in a new cast, they didnt delete Kirk ,Spock, Scottie, etc and say "this is in the Star trek universe with strands of Enterprise in it. Its meaningless.
It might be only about money.
From what i've heard Scott is co-producing this time hence not just directing.
So if he create a new franchise, that he owns, more money for him.
Probably pay the Alien right owners some stuff, but most of the money in his pocket.
This is Prometheus not ALIEN can you dig? lol
;)
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
This to me doesnt even make any sense within the story.
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all the other SJ's have their helmets on all the time but our SJ doesnt get his own....he has to use the chair
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I doubt the helmet is only available on the chair.
The other SJ are seen fleeing a contamination so i guess it's normal they wear their helmet.
Even if inside the temple the air is breathable.
Thats my point.
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Why does he need to get into the chair to suit/helmet up? Shouldn't he have his own somewhere stowed away? The way it is depicted in the movie is that they all line up and take turns getting into the chair to suit up then get out of the chair for the next person.
So after reading the Wikipedia synopsis, this thread, the stuff on Prometheus Forum, it becomes apparent that there is either some kind of epic, global trolling going on in regards to this film's plot, or...
...this is indeed the plot.
I don't hate it. I'll say that much.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
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So some people say that David and the Engineer sort of bond and it is from David that the Engineer learns of Earth.
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This was from my synopsis called PARADISE ;)
I still think my take was cool, especially the human Engineer angle.
Having David or Weyland becoming prometheus would have been a great story arc i think.
Dunno maybe i'm too much in love with my ideas lol
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QuoteAlso one of the call sheets say that the engineer is thrown from his seat.
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yes, the scene probably have been shot but its not in the theatrical cut.
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QuoteAlso that Weyland is part robot and that this enables him to interact with Engineer technology.
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Weyland wears a spacesuit that has an exokeleton added thats it.
His only interaction with Engineer tech is when the Engineer uses David head to hit him and kill him.
Weyland is awaken in the Prometheus, Shaw meet him right after the medpod scene, he give her a speech about why he's here, to meet his maker and have more life (hello Roy Batty ^^), Then he has a discussion with Vickers in her quarters, she tells her thats if he goes to meet the Engineer he's gonna die, she gives the speech about a king has its reign and he must die, Weyland ask why the took the trip, she says no way she was goin to stay on Earth in the boardroom looking at people fighting over the company, She kneel and trie to touch his hands saying father, he removes his hand and ask her to get everything ready. She leaves clearly hurt by her father's lack of love (he clearly plrefers his "son" DAVID). Then they go to meet the Engineer, he ask David to tell the Engineer why they are here, Engineer goes berzerk, Weyland gets hit in the head, fall with a huge wound to his head near the severed David's head:
"DAVID, there is nothing..."
"I know sir." Weyland dies "Have a good journey Mr Weyland".
Vickers see this on video feed she do seem a bit sad...
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
This to me doesnt even make any sense within the story.
Spoiler
all the other SJ's have their helmets on all the time but our SJ doesnt get his own....he has to use the chair
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I doubt the helmet is only available on the chair.
The other SJ are seen fleeing a contamination so i guess it's normal they wear their helmet.
Even if inside the temple the air is breathable.
Quote from: armageddon on May 29, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Yeah, what's up with those 4 Jokey statues at the bridge entrance we see in the trailers?
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Not directly adressed.
David just pass them by when he enters the pilot room.
Since we are in the ship and not anymore in the temple, i'll go with suits and not statues.
Save for the Head room with its mural and altar there is no decoration.
This a a ship and those are extra suits i guess.
The Engineers do not wear them when they go in cryo.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
Whats really dumb is that the original idea for this movie was about the space jockey from alien. Then they said no its not a prequel its standalone with alien dna. What the hell does this even mean?Spoiler
This is a pointless, empty statement from either side of the coin, the way they have ended the movie with the lv223 sj getting chestbursted. Why even do this?.....and if you do, why not go ahead have the SJ be the one from alien? You can still have a sequel with shaw's journey. It pointless to say its not a prequel or a standalone then end it with a different SJ being bursted by a "different but the same" xeno on a different planet in the SAME solar system. Unnecessary and uneffective diversions in storyline. Either make it tie in or dont. I swear this Lindelof guy cant read or proofread his own work.
Its just like me making a movie in the Star Wars universe about "Jack Walkskyer" finding out his father is "Varth Dader" but my movie is on the planet "Life Star" and i call it different and standalone with strands of Jedi DNA. Why not just make another SW movie on the other side of the universe with simple nods to the empire and jedi that has nothing to do with the Anakin Saga. You wouldnt because SW IS JEDI/SITH. Just like the Alien universe IS humans, jockeys, and xenos. (possibly Predators too). Why even associate it all with alien if your publicly trying to distance yourself from it. The new star trek used plot devices to bring in a new cast, they didnt delete Kirk ,Spock, Scottie, etc and say "this is in the Star trek universe with strands of Enterprise in it. Its meaningless.
It might be only about money.
From what i've heard Scott is co-producing this time hence not just directing.
So if he create a new franchise, that he owns, more money for him.
Probably pay the Alien right owners some stuff, but most of the money in his pocket.
This is Prometheus not ALIEN can you dig? lol
;)
Cha-ching! $$
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
This to me doesnt even make any sense within the story.
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all the other SJ's have their helmets on all the time but our SJ doesnt get his own....he has to use the chair
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I doubt the helmet is only available on the chair.
The other SJ are seen fleeing a contamination so i guess it's normal they wear their helmet.
Even if inside the temple the air is breathable.
Thats my point.
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Why does he need to get into the chair to suit/helmet up? Shouldn't he have his own somewhere stowed away? The way it is depicted in the movie is that they all line up and take turns getting into the chair to suit up then get out of the chair for the next person.
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The four suit are at the doors of the pilot room.
I just guess it was easier to make the full suit also appears on the chair than having the engineer, go pick up a suit and wear it. i would have prefered tho. Some sort of tracking shot going up from his feets to his face covered by the living suit would have been awesome.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 04:27:47 PM
So after reading the Wikipedia synopsis, this thread, the stuff on Prometheus Forum, it becomes apparent that there is either some kind of epic, global trolling going on in regards to this film's plot, or...
...this is indeed the plot.
I don't hate it. I'll say that much.
I'll go with epic global trolling lol ;)
Link to the wikipedia synopsis please :)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
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Weyland wears a spacesuit that has an exokeleton added thats it.
His only interaction with Engineer tech is when the Engineer uses David head to hit him and kill him.
Weyland is awaken in the Prometheus, Shaw meet him right after the medpod scene, he give her a speech about why he's here, to meet his maker and have more life (hello Roy Batty ^^), Then he has a discussion with Vickers in her quarters, she tells her thats if he goes to meet the Engineer he's gonna die, she gives the speech about a king has its reign and he must die, Weyland ask why the took the trip, she says no way she was goin to stay on Earth in the boardroom looking at people fighting over the company, She kneel and trie to touch his hands saying father, he removes his hand and ask her to get everything ready. She leaves clearly hurt by her father's lack of love (he clearly plrefers his "son" DAVID). Then they go to meet the Engineer, he ask David to tell the Engineer why they are here, Engineer goes berzerk, Weyland gets hit in the head, fall with a huge wound to his head near the severed David's head:
"DAVID, there is nothing..."
"I know sir." Weyland dies "Have a good journey Mr Weyland".
Vickers see this on video feed she do seem a bit sad...
Wow...IMHO, this is simply an atrocious scene.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 04:31:46 PM
I'll go with epic global trolling lol ;)
Link to the wikipedia synopsis please :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199707393?p=1 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199707393?p=1)
Says everything you do.
NGR01 - Thanks for the review and discussion.
Can you briefly clear a few things?
- How long is the Earth scene (time wise)? Is it just the cave scene with Holloway/Shaw and that's all? And then just cuts to Prometheus on its way to LV-223?
- Does it show the Engineers leaving the stone tablets? Does it explain why they were left?
- What is the role of the "Ghost" Engineer? It's played by a different actor, so what;s the deal?
- How and when do they show Shaw's parents and a younger Shaw? In a dream, flashback, etc.? What is the purpose of that scene?
Thanks!
looks like someone called bullshit on the Wikipedia synopsis and it got pulled
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_%28film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_%28film%29)
Removed reason: "Removed completely unsubstantiated plot summary per WP:OR and WP:FILMPLOT. Come back when 3rd party sources are available or at least until after the opening."
Hardly means it was called bullshit upon.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
Removed reason: "Removed completely unsubstantiated plot summary per WP:OR and WP:FILMPLOT. Come back when 3rd party sources are available or at least until after the opening."
Hardly means it was called bullshit upon.
bullshit=completely unsubstantiated plot summary
potatos = potatoes
;)
No, they pulled it because there simply wasn't any source links. Actually says in the deletion note to come back when they have them.
In reading NRG01's review, as well as some of the others...I don't know what to say. I honestly don't know what to say, so I won't. However, I will say that I am very, very SAD. :'( :'(
Yeah that just means the edit had no references/resources to back it up. Unsubstantiated information.
The "cave drawings" I believe were created by early civilizations based on knowledge shared with them. I don't think the engineer gave those to them.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 29, 2012, 04:51:34 PM
In reading NRG01's review, as well as some of the others...I don't know what to say. I honestly don't know what to say, so I won't. However, I will say that I am very, very SAD. :'( :'(
It could have been worse, Deuterium. A LOT worse. If this is indeed the plot, it's not as ludicrously grandiose as I feared it would be.
It will all depend on the execution.
I totally forgot about this RS quote:
During the March 17, 2012, WonderCon, Scott stated that the film leaves some questions unanswered, and that these could be answered in a sequel, saying "If we're lucky, there'll be a second part. It does leave you with some nice open questions."
Yeah that's it folks i think this movie will definitely need a sequel.
Asked if a sequel would be a direct prequel to Alien, Lindelof said "if we're fortunate enough to do a sequel... it will tangentialize even further away from the original Alien."
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.movie-moron.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgallery%2Ftrailer%2Fnew-prometheus-trailer-2.jpg&hash=99ced127d5cd456a6b9d7d6bd933be4af271ade2)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-ScHFgm1enTE%2FTtjhJGLnCfI%2FAAAAAAAAAsA%2FjP_3sapc87o%2Fs1600%2Fspace%2Bjockeys.jpg&hash=2ae99e919d3b41c712f855a5723fed336c6e5283)
Does this movie end with the space jockey getting bursted on lv-426 ?? Or is it in the movie somewhere?
just a yes or no answer would do ;D thanks in advance
The main thing that i think gives validity to NGR01's synopsis is that it sounds like a Lindelof story. Ideas being presented with no follow up, characters irrationally changing behavior and defeating their own purpose (non infection based), and the overall flow of one scene to the next. (very disjointed, one not connecting to the next, and deliberately vague emptiness masquerading as true mystery)
Most GOOD stories have a linear progession with peaks and valleys along the arc.
Lindelof's stories have no pattern, are ALL OVER the MAP, Leave out critical info and dont form coherence. To him this is mystery. In a sense it is because it cannot be solved but its not because there is no answer. Its a riddle about a riddle draped in an enigma, but has no core, no soul. There are no dots to connect. This isnt originality, its deception. Bait and Switch.
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As a screenwriter and director, you have to be smart about what you visualize and highlight. Take the jockey hologram sequence for example. This should be a meaty scene of revelation. Instead of showing us something bursting and attacking the SJ's, they show us them going to the bathroom and getting ready for bed.(sarcasm) then we find out they were on there way to destroy earth (meaningless sequel hook) but something stopped them,(yeah, SOMETHING) the end. This is a deliberate waste and totally something Lindelof would write. You have to pick your scenes carefully, which doesnt seems to happen with Lindelof, he'll pick the most obtuse thing to focus on almost like he gets a kick out of getting paid for doing it. (Lost, Cowboys and Aliens, and now Prometheus) I for the life of me would think Scott would be more assertive towards this kind of horseshit
Asked if a sequel would be a direct prequel to Alien, Lindelof said
"if we're fortunate enough to do a sequel... it will tangentialize even further away from the original Alien."Making it a different planet in the SAME solar system is not tangentializing. Neither is having jockeys and any kind of xeno.The sequel is still going to be about Jockeys, xenos, biotech, and the plethora of unanswered questions from the first (prometheus) after the incidents on LV223. This is not tangentializing. In order to form a tangent movie/sequel, you have to answer all the questions you have raised in the first place, giving rise to new, bigger, macroscopic questions. You cant deliberately not answer anything in the first place then say the next one will be even further away.....further away from what? Nothing was answered and nothing connects to Alien other than the director and the SJ. And if the proposed ending is true, that certainly doesnt take off in a tangent direction......its literally the same exact thing. Why even associate with alien if your goal is to bullet train away from it? Dont waste the money, make a different movie in a different universe.
You cant make a movie about Luke Skywalker and have it "tangentialize" away from the SW saga. Its not possible, Luke has a past that we ALL know. The SW universe IS everything that happens in it.
"Yeah Luke has a lightsaber and is a Master Jedi now, but it has nothing to do with star wars."
The worst part of the synopsis is the f**king sequel hook. ARGH.
I was just on Prometheusforums.net just reading some threads and they are talking on their about a possible sequel plot that has sent shivers down my spine in a bad way! -
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We now know that Shaw takes off in another Jockey ship at the end of the film and they are thinking that this ship is the derelict ship off ALIEN meaning that Shaw is the space Jockey in ALIEN :-[, now i know there is size problems with this but that hasn't seemed to of stopped Scott and Lindecock so far!. They think that something will happen in the film making the ship crash on LV-426, possibly something to do with the Jockey homeworld which could be in the same solar system and the jockeys are just using LV-223 as a weapons base (kind of like we will end up having bases on the moon).
I'll never forgive Scott and Fox if the sequel is anything like this, it will destroy ALIEN forever. >:(
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:08:39 PM
it will destroy ALIEN forever. >:(
Why, will it send ripples back through time and overwrite all the copies of ALIEN that existed before this project was ever on paper?
You can choose to ignore any addition to the fiction that you don't like, you know.
Quote from: Caiman on May 29, 2012, 05:14:30 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:08:39 PM
it will destroy ALIEN forever. >:(
Why, will it send ripples back through time and overwrite all the copies of ALIEN that existed before this project was ever on paper?
You can choose to ignore any addition to the fiction that you don't like, you know.
You don't seriously think it sounds a good idea do you?. ???
EDIT. Yes it will destroy it, you will forever be thinking 'thats little 5 foot tall Noomi Repace inside that 18 foot tall Jockey body', it will destroy the majesty of that scene, it would be ridiculous.
Sorry if this has already been answered dont want to be spoiled looking through all the pages but.......NGR if you could be so kind to answer me this. I'm pretty sure I remember you saying the SJ dont speak but do they make any sounds at all? Yells, screams, anything at all thats cool? THanks!
NGR01,
I have a question with regards to your update 2 in original post. A part that, upon reflection, you feel makes more sense to you...still has me scratching my head:
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Quote from: NGR01 on May 26, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
I loved the movie until the Engineer is awaken.
One thing i understand now is that the surviving Engineer, is just a regular shmoe he's not a leader or anything.
He and all the dead engineers were on this planet creating weapon of mass destruction, this is a military base and he's just one of the many "soldiers" (remember Scott said the derelict was a bomber hence the military concepts).
When shit hit the fans on that base (this is important i will get back to it later) he and his crew were on their way to take off to Earth to wipe us out (the image of David in front of well stored urns, is actually the cargo bay of the juggernaut inside the urns, death either by complete desintragration of the body or by infestation).
So when he wakes up and start to go berzerk on David, Weyland, Ford and the Merc his agressive reaction do make sense.
He was ordered to destroy our race and he wakes up to find us there.
How the heck was the sleeping engineer ordered to destroy us, as a race? When exactly was this supposed to have occured? Apparently, the sacrificial engineer was indeed on primordial Earth, and seeded the original life 4 billion years ago.
Why did this sleeping engineer wake up and suddenly have orders to go destroy humanity?
It makes absolutely no sense at all...unless I am missing something, or you provided details in some other post?
I mean, is that it? Is that supposed to be the "big questions" that this film was reported to explore by Lindelof and Scott? Give me a friggin' break.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:08:39 PM
I was just on Prometheusforums.net just reading some threads and they are talking on their about a possible sequel plot that has sent shivers down my spine in a bad way! -
Spoiler
We now know that Shaw takes off in another Jockey ship at the end of the film and they are thinking that this ship is the derelict ship off ALIEN meaning that Shaw is the space Jockey in ALIEN :-[, now i know there is size problems with this but that hasn't seemed to of stopped Scott and Lindecock so far!. They think that something will happen in the film making the ship crash on LV-426, possibly something to do with the Jockey homeworld which could be in the same solar system and the jockeys are just using LV-223 as a weapons base (kind of like we will end up having bases on the moon).
I'll never forgive Scott and Fox if the sequel is anything like this, it will destroy ALIEN forever. >:(
That's an absolutely terrible idea, fueled by obsession on the Space Jockey and Derelict on LV-426
needing to be tied to
Prometheus and/or whatever sequel(s) it may or may not have. Nothing more, nothing less.
From the looks of things,
Prometheus really is the starting point for what will be a spinoff series to ALIEN. And apparently more geared for science-fiction epics, rather than science-fiction horrors. While I think the likely sequel holds a lot of potential, I also think Lindelof wasn't joking when he claimed that it would only further deviate from ALIEN.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:08:39 PM
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Lindecock
This wasn't necessary ;D
They only thing i was unable to understand is why let this questions to be answered in a sequel when you can answer all of them in the same movie?
The whole thing is clear to me, the movie simply opens a lot of questions giving few answers, but in the stupid
Lindel f u c k off way.
You don't ask WHY DID THIS HAPPEN?!?!?
You ask: WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY omg WHYYYYYYYYYYY
I don't get the Lindelof vitriol in response to this, and a lot of other stuff. Not because he hasn't dropped the ball in the past, but this is not an equal partnership. Anything he puts on the page, Ridley Scott and the studio sign off on or he's out of the door. Damon Lindelof has written a script to the best of his abilities based on what the project was when he came into it, under Ridley Scott's direction, and it could turn out that that is just not good at all which obviously doesn't earn him any points in anybody's eyes, but it is not on him whether or not that makes it on screen, and I don't think it's on him the blame should squarely rest first. Scott has made a fair amount of not overly impressive movies past his prime, it is not like he's immune to missteps. I feel like people are trying to protect some kind of sacred legacy by laying it all on this other dude.
Quote from: Mechafist on May 29, 2012, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:08:39 PM
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Lindecock
This wasn't necessary ;D
They only thing i was unable to understand is why let this questions to be answered in a sequel when you can answer all of them in the same movie?
It's for more money, simple as that. A cheap move, but it's a hook for a sequel to use.
That said, I don't mind the idea of this all becoming its own series and exploring other species and concepts outside of ALIEN, provided it is all delivered properly. Have Ridley co-produce the film, find another talented director to fill the void (Del Toro anyone?) and kick Lindelof out of the program.
Well, I guess after all is said and done, the best way to see Prometheus is with a totally open mind, enjoy the movie for whatever it is and, if it really does turn out as bad as you feared, you can always....
Spoiler
...have a go at writing the whole thing yourself.
One thing I do know is there are some incredibly talented writers here! :)
Ah the old 'you should of wrote the film if you think you can do better line', how original and totaly pointless.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 29, 2012, 05:25:26 PM
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I guess he mentions that in the hologram they were given orders even before he went into cryosleep. They never executed because something broke out and started killing all the engineers (infection). He went into cryosleep or whatever to escape or who knows - but that was their original mission.
NGR also mentions something about him seeing how hostile humans are when he wakes up and decides they are all too dangerous?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 04:31:46 PM
I'll go with epic global trolling lol ;)
Link to the wikipedia synopsis please :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199707393?p=1 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199707393?p=1)
Says everything you do.
Ok guys.
The guy who wrote this dis not see the movie.
He probably got it second hand, maybe even from me here.
Some details are clearly wrong.
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Fifield and millburn do not get lost in the rush going back to the ship, they leave the party before they enter the Head room. Fifield get acid burned from trying to cut the wormalien.
Its david that sedates Shaws to put her in cryo sleep, then Shaws wakes up again and this time its ford and a merc.
She assault them and run for the medpod, wonder why they don't chase her...
Also Weyland men are not guarding the med pod room with Shaws baby, nobody gives a damn about the creature wich is kinda lame...
Peter weyland is no hiding in Vickers quarters.
His cryopod is in some single room thats i, then when he's awake he's seen in Vickers quarters.
Its not Shaws that run over Fifield (wait f**k BTW that shot of her driving the big truck is not in the movie!!!!)
Vickers doesnt order janek to crash into the juggernaut, she orders him to just get back to earth.
Shaw persuades Janek that if the juggernaut reches Earth thats the end of our world.
Janek and his pilots dont escape anywhere, they die in the crash.
The octopuss does not escpe and attack janek, it satys in the medpod room all the time even when the lifeboat is droped.
Vickers is not killed by debris, she's crushed by the rolling Juggernaut.
Wich is kinda lame since Shaw also get crushed moments when the Juggernaut stops it's rolling and falls on its belly.
But she manages to not get completely crushed, only her oxygen is hit, she runs to the lifeboat to get fresh air ^^
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 29, 2012, 05:37:09 PM
Well, I guess after all is said and done, the best way to see Prometheus is with a totally open mind, enjoy the movie for whatever it is and, if it really does turn out as bad as you feared, you can always....
Spoiler
...have a go at writing the whole thing yourself.
One thing I do know is there are some incredibly talented writers here! :)
Its maybe too late to write it again :D It has been done and it probably sucks spaceballs.
Quote from: Mongo on May 29, 2012, 05:34:13 PM
I don't get the Lindelof vitriol in response to this, and a lot of other stuff. Not because he hasn't dropped the ball in the past, but this is not an equal partnership. Anything he puts on the page, Ridley Scott and the studio sign off on or he's out of the door. Damon Lindelof has written a script to the best of his abilities based on what the project was when he came into it, under Ridley Scott's direction, and it could turn out that that is just not good at all which obviously doesn't earn him any points in anybody's eyes, but it is not on him whether or not that makes it on screen, and I don't think it's on him the blame should squarely rest first. Scott has made a fair amount of not overly impressive movies past his prime, it is not like he's immune to missteps. I feel like people are trying to protect some kind of sacred legacy by laying it all on this other dude.
My only CIVIL answer is that Lindelof never learns from his mistakes and he continues to ruin great opportunities. He doesn't even address his own shortcomings or missteps. You only get one shot to get it right(story/reveals/endings) and this guy gets it wrong, every time his pen hits the paper. He is arrogant and dismissive to fans who have critical thinking skills and even tries to talk smack to other writers when they call him out ie George Martin. Nothing of substance matters to him because he is getting paid anyways. HE is NOT an Artist. He does not respect the craft. I have no idea why or how he gets hired. I'd rather have the guy who writes those star wars novels do the movie.
Scott should be calling the guy out too, but i think he is depending on him to "appeal to the younger generations" because Fox told him he would. This is flawed though because "young" doesn't have to mean "brainless" and when i think of youth oriented writers, i dont think of Lindelof. Spaights should have been able to stay onboard alone, with scott approving rewrites. But i think Ridley is in a state of mind that most of us were during Lost seasons 1-2, we believed in and trusted the guy, only to be served crap casserole.
Lindelof couldnt even keep up and understand his
own created mythology, Lost. You really think he is going to do justice with someone else's (Alien)?
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 29, 2012, 05:37:09 PM
Well, I guess after all is said and done, the best way to see Prometheus is with a totally open mind, enjoy the movie for whatever it is and, if it really does turn out as bad as you feared, you can always....
Spoiler
...have a go at writing the whole thing yourself.
One thing I do know is there are some incredibly talented writers here! :)
Roary,
One does not have to be a great chef, to know what food dishes are tastey, and what sucks donkey balls. ;)
Yeah one of the most disturbing elements is the nonsense huge loltopus. It sits in medbay hour or two, god knows what it eats and why it becomes so large, and hen in the final moments its disturbed from its slacking around and it decides to strangle guy infect him and then die.
WOW just WOW
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
Ah the old 'you should of wrote the film if you think you can do better line', how original and totaly pointless.
It's not just about "if you think you can do better", it's about seeing what people would have done differently and having fun doing something they care about! Just because we're not in a privalaged position like Scott or Cameron doesn't mean people can't do something great, writing is a skill you either have or don't it isn't just taught, to say it's "totally pointless" is an insult to many here I know have written some great Alien related stories over the years!
Quote from: Deuterium on May 29, 2012, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 29, 2012, 05:37:09 PM
Well, I guess after all is said and done, the best way to see Prometheus is with a totally open mind, enjoy the movie for whatever it is and, if it really does turn out as bad as you feared, you can always....
Spoiler
...have a go at writing the whole thing yourself.
One thing I do know is there are some incredibly talented writers here! :)
Roary,
One does not have to be a great chef, to know what food dishes are tastey, and what sucks donkey balls. ;)
Very true....I'm just saying if one thinks they have the talent then why not! ;)
Apologies for dragging things off topic anyway, I haven't seen Prometheus yet but was just curious, given the way the nature of this topic seems to be going!
Cvalda linked a synopsis of the film and it seems like it's the real deal. I'm a little disappointed that
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Vickers gets killed, to say the least. And I hate the way she goes too.
That being said, I want to know if she dies very close to the end or if there's still a significant amount of time left after her death? Based on everything I've seen, she's my favourite character followed closely by Shaw and David.
Quote from: Vickers on May 29, 2012, 05:56:03 PM
Cvalda linked a synopsis of the film and it seems like it's the real deal. I'm a little disappointed that Spoiler
Vickers gets killed, to say the least. And I hate the way she goes too.
That being said, I want to know if she dies very close to the end or if there's still a significant amount of time left after her death? Based on everything I've seen, she's my favourite character followed closely by Shaw and David.
Spoiler tags!!!!
Quote from: chrisr232007 on May 29, 2012, 06:00:55 PM
Spoiler tags!!!!
I created a new topic indicating spoilers in the subject title but the mods must have moved it. :-\ Not my fault but sorry you read that. :(
Quote from: Vickers on May 29, 2012, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on May 29, 2012, 06:00:55 PM
Spoiler tags!!!!
I created a new topic indicating spoilers in the subject title but the mods must have moved it. :-\ Not my fault but sorry you read that. :(
Its cool which I dont care myself just looking out for the ones who dont want to know anything about the movie's details.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 29, 2012, 05:37:09 PM
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...have a go at writing the whole thing yourself.
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What a good idea.
I did imagine a giant(over 25 ft) and massive humanoid race which could be used as a basis for a similar story.
However, they are not as old as the engineers are supposed to be, nor are they life engineers but they were worshipped as gods by lesser races and are order of magnitudes more powerful than the engineers. Not only they are physically extremly powerful but they do have two heads , the ability to perceive the whole E.M spectrum and they have suit in comparason to whom the armor of iron man would be a baby toy.
Once i should go ahead and write a story about this race and about several others less advanced and a few way more advanced and powerful.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 29, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
Ah the old 'you should of wrote the film if you think you can do better line', how original and totaly pointless.
It's not just about "if you think you can do better", it's about seeing what people would have done differently and having fun doing something they care about! Just because we're not in a privalaged position like Scott or Cameron doesn't mean people can't do something great, writing is a skill you either have or don't it isn't just taught, to say it's "totally pointless" is an insult to many here I know have written some great Alien related stories over the years!
My mistake, i thought you were being sarcastic by saying that.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 29, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 29, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
Ah the old 'you should of wrote the film if you think you can do better line', how original and totaly pointless.
It's not just about "if you think you can do better", it's about seeing what people would have done differently and having fun doing something they care about! Just because we're not in a privalaged position like Scott or Cameron doesn't mean people can't do something great, writing is a skill you either have or don't it isn't just taught, to say it's "totally pointless" is an insult to many here I know have written some great Alien related stories over the years!
:D
You're both misunderstanding what each other was saying! Mastes1 wrongly thought that you were implying that unless you could do a better job than a professional writer, then you have no right to criticise the script. RoaryUK, I know that's not what you meant but it is a very stupid argument, which does get used by people all too often.
In turn, RoaryUK misinterpreted Mastes1's point and wrongly thought that he was saying that it's "totally pointless" to write fan-fiction.
I suggest you both re-read each others comments from a fresh perspective. This kind of mis-communication is how (flame) wars get started! :laugh:
Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 29, 2012, 05:25:26 PM
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I guess he mentions that in the hologram they were given orders even before he went into cryosleep. They never executed because something broke out and started killing all the engineers (infection). He went into cryosleep or whatever to escape or who knows - but that was their original mission.
NGR also mentions something about him seeing how hostile humans are when he wakes up and decides they are all too dangerous?
Thanks for the reply and clarifications, Qwertify.
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I still am a bit perplexed, however, as to when and why, exactly, the engineers decided they needed to wipe out humanity. Did the infection on the base break out 200 years ago? A thousand years ago? Even longer? Why would they all of a sudden collectively decide that we needed to be exterminated? I suppose, Lindelof might think of something silly. Like, they received earlier radio broadcasts from Earth, from the WWII era, and decided we were too war-like and dangerous, and needed to be extinguished. But, how exactly would the engineers own any high moral ground...I mean, they design and maintain biological weapons of mass destruction.
So what does this new xeno thing look like?
@ St Eddie We know, it was sorted before you posted, but it was hardly a flame war, lol
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: Mongo on May 29, 2012, 05:34:13 PM
I don't get the Lindelof vitriol in response to this, and a lot of other stuff. Not because he hasn't dropped the ball in the past, but this is not an equal partnership. Anything he puts on the page, Ridley Scott and the studio sign off on or he's out of the door. Damon Lindelof has written a script to the best of his abilities based on what the project was when he came into it, under Ridley Scott's direction, and it could turn out that that is just not good at all which obviously doesn't earn him any points in anybody's eyes, but it is not on him whether or not that makes it on screen, and I don't think it's on him the blame should squarely rest first. Scott has made a fair amount of not overly impressive movies past his prime, it is not like he's immune to missteps. I feel like people are trying to protect some kind of sacred legacy by laying it all on this other dude.
My only CIVIL answer is that Lindelof never learns from his mistakes and he continues to ruin great opportunities. He doesn't even address his own shortcomings or missteps. You only get one shot to get it right(story/reveals/endings) and this guy gets it wrong, every time his pen hits the paper. He is arrogant and dismissive to fans who have critical thinking skills and even tries to talk smack to other writers when they call him out ie George Martin. Nothing of substance matters to him because he is getting paid anyways. HE is NOT an Artist. He does not respect the craft. I have no idea why or how he gets hired. I'd rather have the guy who writes those star wars novels do the movie.
Scott should be calling the guy out too, but i think he is depending on him to "appeal to the younger generations" because Fox told him he would. This is flawed though because "young" doesn't have to mean "brainless" and when i think of youth oriented writers, i dont think of Lindelof. Spaights should have been able to stay onboard alone, with scott approving rewrites. But i think Ridley is in a state of mind that most of us were during Lost seasons 1-2, we believed in and trusted the guy, only to be served crap casserole.
Lindelof couldnt even keep up and understand his own created mythology, Lost. You really think he is going to do justice with someone else's (Alien)?
Dude. Welcome to filmworld. Where nobody EVER critiques anyone or themselves, his own or anothers work. Its all about the dumdum..
Quote from: Attack.no1 on May 29, 2012, 06:13:02 PM
So what does this new xeno thing look like?
A giant beachball with two tiny feet.
I'm reposting this :)
NGR01 - Thanks for the review and discussion.
Can you briefly clear a few things?
- How long is the Earth scene (time wise)? Is it just the cave scene with Holloway/Shaw and that's all? And then just cuts to Prometheus on its way to LV-223?
- Does it show the Engineers leaving the stone tablets? Does it explain why they were left?
- What is the role of the "Ghost" Engineer? It's played by a different actor, so what's the deal?
- How and when do they show Shaw's parents and a younger Shaw? In a dream, flashback, etc.? What is the purpose of that scene?
Thanks!
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 04:31:46 PM
I'll go with epic global trolling lol ;)
Link to the wikipedia synopsis please :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199707393?p=1 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199707393?p=1)
Says everything you do.
Ok guys.
The guy who wrote this dis not see the movie.
He probably got it second hand, maybe even from me here.
Some details are clearly wrong.
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Fifield and millburn do not get lost in the rush going back to the ship, they leave the party before they enter the Head room. Fifield get acid burned from trying to cut the wormalien.
Its david that sedates Shaws to put her in cryo sleep, then Shaws wakes up again and this time its ford and a merc.
She assault them and run for the medpod, wonder why they don't chase her...
Also Weyland men are not guarding the med pod room with Shaws baby, nobody gives a damn about the creature wich is kinda lame...
Peter weyland is no hiding in Vickers quarters.
His cryopod is in some single room thats i, then when he's awake he's seen in Vickers quarters.
Its not Shaws that run over Fifield (wait f**k BTW that shot of her driving the big truck is not in the movie!!!!)
Vickers doesnt order janek to crash into the juggernaut, she orders him to just get back to earth.
Shaw persuades Janek that if the juggernaut reches Earth thats the end of our world.
Janek and his pilots dont escape anywhere, they die in the crash.
The octopuss does not escpe and attack janek, it satys in the medpod room all the time even when the lifeboat is droped.
Vickers is not killed by debris, she's crushed by the rolling Juggernaut.
Wich is kinda lame since Shaw also get crushed moments when the Juggernaut stops it's rolling and falls on its belly.
But she manages to not get completely crushed, only her oxygen is hit, she runs to the lifeboat to get fresh air ^^
I am so excited for this movie after reading all of this.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 29, 2012, 06:13:56 PM
@ St Eddie We know, it was sorted before you posted, but it was hardly a flame war, lol
I know, I was being somewhat facetious with the "flame war" comment. :P
Quote from: morka on May 29, 2012, 06:18:13 PM
I'm reposting this :)
NGR01 - Thanks for the review and discussion.
Can you briefly clear a few things?
- How long is the Earth scene (time wise)? Is it just the cave scene with Holloway/Shaw and that's all? And then just cuts to Prometheus on its way to LV-223?
- Does it show the Engineers leaving the stone tablets? Does it explain why they were left?
- What is the role of the "Ghost" Engineer? It's played by a different actor, so what's the deal?
- How and when do they show Shaw's parents and a younger Shaw? In a dream, flashback, etc.? What is the purpose of that scene?
Thanks!
I second this request.
Quote from: morka on May 29, 2012, 06:18:13 PM
I'm reposting this :)
NGR01 - Thanks for the review and discussion.
Can you briefly clear a few things?
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- How long is the Earth scene (time wise)? Is it just the cave scene with Holloway/Shaw and that's all? And then just cuts to Prometheus on its way to LV-223?
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Engineer ship arrival on earth sacrifice Engineer maybe 6/8 minutes.
Isle of skye scenes maybe 7/10 minutes.
Then the prometheus in space and David passing time aboard.
Quote- Does it show the Engineers leaving the stone tablets? Does it explain why they were left?
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Nothing about that.
Quote- What is the role of the "Ghost" Engineer? It's played by a different actor, so what's the deal?
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Dunno, all of them are ghost Engineers to me, they are all holograms anyone of them could be the ghost Engineer.
Quote- How and when do they show Shaw's parents and a younger Shaw? In a dream, flashback, etc.? What is the purpose of that scene?
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When David is seen passing time on the ship, at some point he check Shaws cryo rack.
He enters her dreams, the dream he sees is a flashback of Shaw's childhood with her father in africa.
There are doing something near the water, an funeral procession is passing nearby.
Shaw asks why did the men die, where did he go, why his dad did not helped him, did mom went where he's going?
Her fathers answer that everybody has to die, he went to a beautiful place like her mom (we see an surimpression of an image of Shaws mom), how do he know it's a beautiful place, because i choose to believe so (Shaw will use that phrase again later). Then an image of David wearing his neuro helmet bleeds in, looks like Shaw is getting aware of his presence in her dream. He disconnect himself from the dream/flashback.
All is shot with some weird yellow digital effect.
The scene is there to show Shaw's beliefs and questions were already there when she was young.
Also we see that Shaws wears her father cross around her neck.
Later it serves purpose again when David is dosing her to put her to sleep, he take her cross, saying it could be infected (but he seems to want it for himself since in the end when Shaws ask for it he says he has it in his pouch), then says he's sorry about holloway's death especially giving the circonstance, Shaw says why do you say that? He says did you not lose your father to similar events? Wasnt it Ebola? Shes shocked and ask him how does he know. I was watching your dreams he says. Basically David has a thing for Shaw, the fact that he chosed to infect Holloway, and not another crew member shows that he has his own agenda too, he's just waiting to be fully free from his master...
:)
Wow, thanks for that last post NGR01. Could you tell why the Engineer seems to be burnt or malformed attacking Noomi in one of the TV spots, but seems normal when he's being attacked by big Squidbaby?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 06:46:59 PM
Wow, thanks for that last post NGR01. Could you tell why the Engineer seems to be burnt or malformed attacking Noomi in one of the TV spots, but seems normal when he's being attacked by big Squidbaby?
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I don't remember if he was burnt badly like in the trailer.
Only thing i'm sure is that he has no burned face that bad when he's strangling Shaw and when the giant octopus facehugger attacks him. Also no sign of the shot when he toss her against Vicker quarters chandeliers.
Maybe i did not paid attention enough or its a last minute change, just like the shots of Fifield in the cargo attack.
One trailer he had flames on him the next he didnt.
I'm probably gonna make a thread about what was in the trailer but not in the movie.
With image captures.
Ugh. If this entire film turns out to be a big long trailer for the extended Blu-ray cut, I'll be severely annoyed.
This just sound like a poor mans Star Gate.
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(1) Lots of plot holes!!! Like, why did the SJ on the home planet not do anything for 2000 years after the disaster at the jockey base - surely they would have known that their order was not accomplised?
(2) Why did they want to destroy earth
(3) What was the creature crouched next to engineer in mural
(4) What actually happened on the SJ base
The questions that Lindinoff referes to is buuuulshit.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
Ugh. If this entire film turns out to be a big long trailer for the extended Blu-ray cut, I'll be severely annoyed.
Its a theme that is happening more and more with films these days, PG13 cinema cuts vs Unrated home video, 2 hour cinema cut vs extended home video cut etc. Studios still make 50% and more of their profits from rentals and DVD/Blu-Ray sales, tv right etc, even with lower sales these days because of piracy.
Its a shame that many times we get the 'lesser' film in the cinema and have to wait for home video before we get the 'true' version of the film, it makes sense money wise for the studios though. :-\
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 29, 2012, 07:00:30 PM
This just sound like a poor mans Star Gate.
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(1) Lots of plot holes!!! Like, why did the SJ on the home planet not do anything for 2000 years after the disaster at the jockey base - surely they would have known that their order was not accomplised?
(2) Why did they want to destroy earth
(3) What was the creature crouched next to engineer in mural
(4) What actually happened on the SJ base
The questions that Lindinoff referes to is buuuulshit.
I just think the film has been cut to hell to get the 2 hour runtime, its a shame that we will probably have to wait for the DVD to see the true film (or more likely a special edition released later on, more money!)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 06:54:19 PM
I'm probably gonna make a thread about what was in the trailer but not in the movie.
With image captures.
Yeah, well I'm gonna make my own thread with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the thread!Please do, that would be awesome. :)
I'd like to know if the engineer is as impressive/scary/convincing as a performance as, say the predator (1st) is
Quote from: Symn on May 29, 2012, 07:20:57 PM
I'd like to know if the engineer is as impressive/scary/convincing as a performance as, say the predator (1st) is
Well that won't reassure me. How does it compare to the Alien or, for arguments sake Jason?
Yikes. Ill take robed, telepaths using mind control to insight rape for a thousand.
I totatally believed the part when he mentions Shaw flying the ship and David's head being used as a dodgeball.
/Sarcasm.
Is there a giant Engineer like in the original or are they all human sized
NRG-
If you had to rate the films in the Alien series, where would you place PROMETHEUS?
Quote from: genocyber on May 29, 2012, 07:35:50 PM
Is there a giant Engineer like in the original or are they all human sized
9 ft. tall beefcakes.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
Ugh. If this entire film turns out to be a big long trailer for the extended Blu-ray cut, I'll be severely annoyed.
If there is a longer cut (which I'm SURE there will be) I don't understand why in this day and age they couldn't at least have limited showings of the director's cut for us hardcore fans. Unless it is still being worked on, which I highly doubt.
NGR01 - A few more questions...
- Before Vickers and old Weyland hologram addresses the crew... Do they show a Weyland promo video? Do they show anything on terrafroming, atmosphere processors, power loaders, Bishop, pulse rifles, etc?
- How does Prometheus happen to enter/land on the moon right next to the Engineer base? By pure luck? That would be like finding one particular grain of sand on an entire beach!
- Did Weyland know about the LV-223 moon and Zeta star system before Shaw/Holloway found the cave paintings?
- How is Prometheus able to catch and collide with the Juggernaut? The Juggernaut seems to be a much more advanced, faster, and more maneuverable ship!
- In the trailer, the collision happens to be nearly a kilometer away from where Shaw and Vickers stand on the ground. So how come the Juggernaut ends up falling/rolling on top of them?
- Does Shaw get to use her axe?
- Can you explain in detail what this giant squid looks like? Teeth, eyes, mouth, legs, arms, etc.
Thanks again!
People...wrap your questions in spoilers! Please!
NRG you got scans of your ticket? you made some pics in the cinema?
y u no tell me spoilers? u just here to get some attention and by not letting spoilers go nobody will ever know you are fooling us.
Give me something!!
Quote from: urvile on May 29, 2012, 07:48:35 PM
If there is a longer cut (which I'm SURE there will be) I don't understand why in this day and age they couldn't at least have limited showings of the director's cut for us hardcore fans. Unless it is still being worked on, which I highly doubt.
MPAA doesn't allow two cuts of the same film to play at the same time, to avoid confusion and somesuch nonsense.
Quote from: Infected on May 29, 2012, 07:58:14 PM
NRG you got scans of your ticket? you made some pics in the cinema?
y u no tell me spoilers? u just here to get some attention and by not letting spoilers go nobody will ever know you are fooling us.
Give me something!!
::)
In the future, I suggest that you learn to read (and write) before making an ass out of yourself!
He's provided plenty of spoilers (a summary of which can be found on page one, post one).
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 29, 2012, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 29, 2012, 07:58:14 PM
NRG you got scans of your ticket? you made some pics in the cinema?
y u no tell me spoilers? u just here to get some attention and by not letting spoilers go nobody will ever know you are fooling us.
Give me something!!
::)
In the future, I suggest that you learn to read (and write) before making an ass out of yourself!
He's provided plenty of spoilers (a summary of which can be found on page one, post one).
Right.
Quote from: CainsSon on May 29, 2012, 07:37:12 PM
NRG-
If you had to rate the films in the Alien series, where would you place PROMETHEUS?
After ALIENS.
I love ALIEN 3 but at least PROMETHEUS goes another way than the hauted house trip save for its last act.
Quote from: Predaker on May 29, 2012, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: genocyber on May 29, 2012, 07:35:50 PM
Is there a giant Engineer like in the original or are they all human sized
9 ft. tall beefcakes.
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Not human sized around 3 meters all muscular.
Quote from: Symn on May 29, 2012, 07:20:57 PM
I'd like to know if the engineer is as impressive/scary/convincing as a performance as, say the predator (1st) is
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Huh i wont compare it to a predator, i can't, complete different "beasts".
You see only two living engineer on screen, the sacrifice and surviving one.
I loved them, i really dig the design, "simple" but efficiant.
One thing i think was lacking tho, the surviving engineer i felt he was not iconized enough the way he was filmed.
When he rises from his cryo, he cought just like a human, i get the message that is given there (we are them they are us) i think scott refused to show them mighty an powerful by the way he shot it.
Then when he gets angry well he like every giant angry being ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR urgh!
But like i said he's not supposed to be a leader, just a grunt.
One of many.
He said he didn't have tickets. His name was on the list. ;)
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 29, 2012, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 29, 2012, 07:58:14 PM
NRG you got scans of your ticket? you made some pics in the cinema?
y u no tell me spoilers? u just here to get some attention and by not letting spoilers go nobody will ever know you are fooling us.
Give me something!!
::)
In the future, I suggest that you learn to read (and write) before making an ass out of yourself!
He's provided plenty of spoilers (a summary of which can be found on page one, post one).
Just wanted to stirrr it up.. ;)
Is it possible he has seen a cut version? and the full version will be out in a few days?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: urvile on May 29, 2012, 07:48:35 PM
If there is a longer cut (which I'm SURE there will be) I don't understand why in this day and age they couldn't at least have limited showings of the director's cut for us hardcore fans. Unless it is still being worked on, which I highly doubt.
MPAA doesn't allow two cuts of the same film to play at the same time, to avoid confusion and somesuch nonsense.
Are you f**king kidding me? What about the upcoming Hobbit movie? How many versions of that will there be between at least two 3D formats, IMAX, and the 30/48 FPS thing?
This is when I post a video of the "Who is the ad wizard who came up with THAT?" SNL bit, but the internet fails me >:(
Quote from: urvile on May 29, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Are you f**king kidding me? What about the upcoming Hobbit movie? How many versions of that will there be between 3D, IMAX, and the 30/48 FPS thing?
Those aren't different cuts, just different viewing formats.
@NGR01 - What scene does the Jerry Goldsmith theme from 'Alien' get used in? I'm referring to this track...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwdi3azic4g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwdi3azic4g#ws)
Also, does the title at the beginning of the film slowly appear, as it did in 'Alien' and the 'Prometheus' trailer?
Thank you.
What, an extended cut isn't a viewing format choice? :laugh:
EDIT: head on over to the YouTube review thread, I think the title scrawl question was answered
I'm wondering ...
Does this movie even feature a "direct" link to Alien?
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I've read several reports stating the Engineer gives birth to a chestburster, the one we all know in the movies. Is this true?
Quote from: urvile on May 29, 2012, 08:12:39 PM
What, an extended cut isn't a viewing format choice? :laugh:
No, it's a completely different cut of the film. MPAA strictly regulates that stuff, at least in theatrical release.
@ Morka - I highly doubt Bishop of all things would be referenced, his creator wouldn't even have been born yet...
Quote from: SyntaX on May 29, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
I'm wondering ...
Does this movie even feature a "direct" link to Alien?
Spoiler
I've read several reports stating the Engineer gives birth to a chestburster, the one we all know in the movies. Is this true?
Yeah same question here, i'm dying to know
Quote from: urvile on May 29, 2012, 08:12:39 PM
head on over to the YouTube review thread, I think the title scrawl question was answered
I know, I'm asking NGR01 because I want to find out wether the guy from YouTube is a bullshitter or not!
Would the movie be cooler if it had predators in it?
MAYBE THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON :o
DUN! DUN! DUN!
Quote from: Snowdog on May 29, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 29, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
I'm wondering ...
Does this movie even feature a "direct" link to Alien?
Spoiler
I've read several reports stating the Engineer gives birth to a chestburster, the one we all know in the movies. Is this true?
Yeah same question here, i'm dying to know
Spoiler
Are you sure you want to know?
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Really sure?
Spoiler
ok.
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the alien that comes out of the engineer is like a human sized baby xenomorph greenish in color more fleshy looking with a banana dome head. It peels back from the face or something to reveal a horse mouth. It screeches and movie ends.
Quote from: Snowdog on May 29, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 29, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
I'm wondering ...
Does this movie even feature a "direct" link to Alien?
Spoiler
I've read several reports stating the Engineer gives birth to a chestburster, the one we all know in the movies. Is this true?
Yeah same question here, i'm dying to know
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What i was told is that the squid thing impregnates the SJ and the last scene of the film is the creature bursting out of his chest and looking at the screen. To me, this is a very poor way to link it because its NOT the engineer in Alien, nor is it the xeno we know. Why even go that route if your not gonna make it the same beings in Alien.
I only wonder if we'll be satisfied with the main octupus-ish monster in the end. Does it have any link to a Giger design? does it have jaws? Gotta' wonder ......
Every tentacle is a penis :laugh:
SquidBaby wouldn't happen to end up looking something like this would he? :laugh:
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2lxgy3c.jpg&hash=a0060353a9585e388e7f652bea68e1dba92dbb8e)
Also about the rumoured 'link' into ALIEN;
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It doesn't link in with ALIEN directly as the Life-boat it would be born on is stuck on LV-223, not LV-426. It does however leave the film open for a new crew to venture on the moon and come across xeno eggs there now, also clearly the Derelict came from here so there potentially can be other moons seeded with Engi-xeno eggs from other Engineer Juggernaut ships.
NGR01 - A few more questions...
- Before Vickers and old Weyland hologram addresses the crew... Do they show a Weyland promo video? Do they show anything on terrafroming, atmosphere processors, power loaders, Bishop, pulse rifles, etc?
- How does Prometheus happen to enter/land on the moon right next to the Engineer base? By pure luck? That would be like finding one particular grain of sand on an entire beach!
- Did Weyland know about the LV-223 moon and Zeta star system before Shaw/Holloway found the cave paintings?
- How is Prometheus able to catch and collide with the Juggernaut? The Juggernaut seems to be a much more advanced, faster, and more maneuverable ship!
- In the trailer, the collision happens to be nearly a kilometer away from where Shaw and Vickers stand on the ground. So how come the Juggernaut ends up falling/rolling on top of them?
- Does Shaw get to use her axe?
- Can you explain in detail what this giant squid looks like? Teeth, eyes, mouth, legs, arms, etc.
- Does the title appear the same way as in Alien?
- In what scene does Jerry Goldsmith;s Alien theme play in?
Thanks again!
Sorry to bombard you, NGR01, one more quick question: how does Shaw escape the SquidBaby? We see it wrap a tentacle around her leg when it grabs the Engineer in the TV spot.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Sorry to bombard you, NGR01, one more quick question: how does Shaw escape the SquidBaby? We see it wrap a tentacle around her leg when it grabs the Engineer in the TV spot.
She escapes by performing
The Safety Dance.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Sorry to bombard you, NGR01, one more quick question: how does Shaw escape the SquidBaby? We see it wrap a tentacle around her leg when it grabs the Engineer in the TV spot.
IMO she gives it a lollipop
Jeez you reminded me of that huge retard trapped in medbay again, I am afraid I am going to burst with l;aughter when i see it trapped there.
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Quote from: Qwertify on May 29, 2012, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 29, 2012, 05:25:26 PM
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I guess he mentions that in the hologram they were given orders even before he went into cryosleep. They never executed because something broke out and started killing all the engineers (infection). He went into cryosleep or whatever to escape or who knows - but that was their original mission.
NGR also mentions something about him seeing how hostile humans are when he wakes up and decides they are all too dangerous?
Thanks for the reply and clarifications, Qwertify.
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I still am a bit perplexed, however, as to when and why, exactly, the engineers decided they needed to wipe out humanity. Did the infection on the base break out 200 years ago? A thousand years ago? Even longer? Why would they all of a sudden collectively decide that we needed to be exterminated? I suppose, Lindelof might think of something silly. Like, they received earlier radio broadcasts from Earth, from the WWII era, and decided we were too war-like and dangerous, and needed to be extinguished. But, how exactly would the engineers own any high moral ground...I mean, they design and maintain biological weapons of mass destruction.
Long time lurker.
But my 2 cents on this.....
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I take it as maybe we were not meant to be created in the first place.
Possible that the origins of humans were caused by a rogue group within these "creators" of worlds and species.
That could def cause the aggression, I.e Frankenstein 55.0
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
SquidBaby wouldn't happen to end up looking something like this would he? :laugh:
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2lxgy3c.jpg&hash=a0060353a9585e388e7f652bea68e1dba92dbb8e)
I actually had that toy as a kid. Made no sense what so ever. Too small to be an actual face hugger. Too big to put on other toy's faces. That and the tip of the tail was removable but was attached to a draw string and you could retract it with a button on the top. It very well may have not been part of the Alien universe what so ever.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Sorry to bombard you, NGR01, one more quick question: how does Shaw escape the SquidBaby? We see it wrap a tentacle around her leg when it grabs the Engineer in the TV spot.
She escapes by performing The Safety Dance.
We can dance if we want to.
We've got all your life, and mine.
As long as we abuse it,
Never gonna lose it.
Everything will work out right.
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Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
SquidBaby wouldn't happen to end up looking something like this would he? :laugh:
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2lxgy3c.jpg&hash=a0060353a9585e388e7f652bea68e1dba92dbb8e)
I actually had that toy as a kid. Made no sense what so ever. Too small to be an actual face hugger. Too big to put on other toy's faces. That and the tip of the tail was removable but was attached to a draw string and you could retract it with a button on the top. It very well may have not been part of the Alien universe what so ever.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Sorry to bombard you, NGR01, one more quick question: how does Shaw escape the SquidBaby? We see it wrap a tentacle around her leg when it grabs the Engineer in the TV spot.
She escapes by performing The Safety Dance.
We can dance if we want to.
We've got all your life, and mine.
As long as we abuse it,
Never gonna lose it.
Everything will work out right.
http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/carlos_huante_desktop_1191x871_wallpaper-331929.jpg (http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/carlos_huante_desktop_1191x871_wallpaper-331929.jpg) Imo its something like this with tentacles :D
About the creation of mankind and Engineer intentions;
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Well the outbreak was supposed to have happened 2000 years before the movie takes place, 93AD. However, the decision could have happened before then, maybe the bioweapons were being created for Earth's purging by the Engineers. Nevertheless on Earth we're talking about the time of Ancient Rome...
Quote from: harlock on May 29, 2012, 09:08:06 PM
About the creation of mankind and Engineer intentions;
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Well the outbreak was supposed to have happened 2000 years before the movie takes place, 93AD. However, the decision could have happened before then, maybe the bioweapons were being created for Earth's purging by the Engineers. Nevertheless on Earth we're talking about the time of Ancient Rome...
MAN WHO THE f**k CARES ABOUT MANKIND ORIGINS!!!! THE MOVIE HAS GIANT OCTOPUS!!!!!!!!!!!! :DDDDDD
Quote from: harlock on May 29, 2012, 09:08:06 PM
About the creation of mankind and Engineer intentions;
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Well the outbreak was supposed to have happened 2000 years before the movie takes place, 93AD. However, the decision could have happened before then, maybe the bioweapons were being created for Earth's purging by the Engineers. Nevertheless on Earth we're talking about the time of Ancient Rome...
Can i ask where you are getting these little snippets of info from?.
It's from spoilers here and then taking the info and connecting the dots. We know the film is set in 2093 for instance.
^ Just say STARBEAST, baby. ;D
Hey Deuterium:
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I was thinking they assumed the simple "we created it, we'll destroy it" role. Problem solved. Almost as if they were cleaning up their own mess, no real moral stance required. Would be equivalent to destroying androids after seeing what Ash was capable of.
There's still room for a lot of expansion, which I honestly like. I would rather them just avoid it than attempt to explain it all and f**k it up, ya know?
So are there actual aliens/creatures in this movie that run around attacking the crew or is it just the space cobra, giant octopus and engineer?
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 09:15:52 PM
^ Just say STARBEAST, baby. ;D
Hey Deuterium:
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I was thinking they assumed the simple "we created it, we'll destroy it" role. Problem solved. Almost as if they were cleaning up their own mess, no real moral stance required. Would be equivalent to destroying androids after seeing what Ash was capable of.
There's still room for a lot of expansion, which I honestly like. I would rather them just avoid it than attempt to explain it all and f**k it up, ya know?
Yes I thought this as well. If they went into too much detail, it could have hurt the mystery aspect.
Does that Last Engineer survive at the end or no?.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 29, 2012, 09:29:01 PM
Does that Last Engineer survive at the end or no?.
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No. The Alien bursts out of him. Fade to black.
Quote from: morka on May 29, 2012, 07:50:48 PM
NGR01 - A few more questions...
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- Before Vickers and old Weyland hologram addresses the crew... Do they show a Weyland promo video? Do they show anything on terrafroming, atmosphere processors, power loaders, Bishop, pulse rifles, etc?
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NO.
But Weyland hologram speech seem to take place on an red planet being terraformed.
On the background of the large Weyland room you can see construction and flying haulers.
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Quote- How does Prometheus happen to enter/land on the moon right next to the Engineer base? By pure luck? That would be like finding one particular grain of sand on an entire beach!
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They set course on LV4223 because it's the most likely candidate to sustain life in sytem depicted by the Engineer's map.
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- Did Weyland know about the LV-223 moon and Zeta star system before Shaw/Holloway found the cave paintings?
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No, he just say he's been looking for answers and was fascinated by Shaw and Holloway discoveries.
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- How is Prometheus able to catch and collide with the Juggernaut? The Juggernaut seems to be a much more advanced, faster, and more maneuverable ship!
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The Juggernaut is ascending, not at full speed.
Janek ask Ravel to use the ion truster at full speed (beam me up scotty).
That it will transform us into a missile.
The Engineer has not seen in coming and don't have any counter mesure or force field it seems.
They need to make the scene work, so they are oblivious to "details" like that.
Same goes for the Engineer's size, Scott just didnt give a f**k it did not fit the one from ALIEN.
Well if they do adress the Derelict in PROMETHEUS 2 they will probably say that he was a super duper engineer bigger than the other, the space jockey was actually Shark from James bond in the Engineer world ^^
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- In the trailer, the collision happens to be nearly a kilometer away from where Shaw and Vickers stand on the ground. So how come the Juggernaut ends up falling/rolling on top of them?
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Shaw is not that far, she's right on top of the juggernaut hangar when it takes off, and the ship is massive so there not really a problem there. The only dumb thing is to have Vickers lifepod crashes just a few meters near Shaw.
Just to have them running together on screen... Wich absolutely serve no purpose at all but just to have two stars in the same shot...
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- Does Shaw get to use her axe?
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Not really she takes it but dont have any time to use it.
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- Can you explain in detail what this giant squid looks like? Teeth, eyes, mouth, legs, arms, etc.
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An octopus with no eyes on the sides, the back of its body or its head has like a shark head thing going on it's pointy.
It doesnt have any legs only tentacles, the mouth is like an octopus, around the mouth zone you can see some teeth, really sarlacc or hellboy monster stuff, then at one moment its mouth open and a white translucent snake like tongue penetrates the engineer's mouth. If you look for the images of the things extracted from Shaws body, it's basically the same, just bigger, with more tentacles an teeths.
:)
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 29, 2012, 08:11:49 PM
@NGR01 - What scene does the Jerry Goldsmith theme from 'Alien' get used in? I'm referring to this track...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwdi3azic4g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwdi3azic4g#ws)
Also, does the title at the beginning of the film slowly appear, as it did in 'Alien' and the 'Prometheus' trailer?
Thank you.
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When Weyland hologram make his speech to the crew.
I think it does, i was more focused on the images behind the title.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 29, 2012, 09:29:01 PM
Does that Last Engineer survive at the end or no?.
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He's dead, movie ends with xeno bursting from Engineer's chest
It seems that they are leaving unanswered questions for sequel, but I don't have faith in Ridley anymore. How much did Lindelof rewrite Spaiht's script?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Sorry to bombard you, NGR01, one more quick question: how does Shaw escape the SquidBaby? We see it wrap a tentacle around her leg when it grabs the Engineer in the TV spot.
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the squid just focuses on the Engineer.
She just escapes, no cutting with the axe or anything.
She manages to get free thats it :)
NGR, does the Engineer make any cool sounds such as screams, grunts, battle roar :D
NGR, does anyone fart in the movie?
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-.- i can almost tell the whole story by your questions guys, thx
Quote from: szkoki on May 29, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
NGR, does anyone fart in the movie?
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-.- i can almost tell the whole story by your questions guys, thx
Why are you in this thread? thx
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 29, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
NGR, does anyone fart in the movie?
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-.- i can almost tell the whole story by your questions guys, thx
Why are you in this thread? thx
i was looking for opinions, reviews but when i saw the questions like "ist the alien black that bursts out at the end.." or whatsoever i was like facepalm a thousend times
Quote from: boostedlsj on May 29, 2012, 09:57:26 PM
NGR, does the Engineer make any cool sounds such as screams, grunts, battle roar :D
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He just frown, burst into rage and attack but he doesnt really make a sound.
Even when he gets attacked by the giant squid.
Maybe the music was too loud but i don't reacll any grunt, scream, anything...
Quote from: szkoki on May 29, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
NGR, does anyone fart in the movie?
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-.- i can almost tell the whole story by your questions guys, thx
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Maybe Fifield or Millburn, those are really funny.
If they don't Scott should add the fart sound effect, when Fifield is smoking ganja from his inner spacesuit bong ^^
szkoki is right guys.
Please put the spoilery question in spoilers or i will not answer them.
Thanks.
:)
Quote from: szkoki on May 29, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
NGR, does anyone fart in the movie?
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-.- i can almost tell the whole story by your questions guys, thx
Its ok I wanna know so nothing scares me in the movie evar! {I honestly don't think it would even if I wouldn't stalk this thread}
Unless you are scared the living shit of
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GIANT OCTOPUS TRAPPED IN ROOM!!!!
LV-426 is mentioned in the movie? The flight of Juggernaut causes noide? Is silent?
ps i dont mind at all, i would read the book if it would come out earlier (as i did with alien resurrection) but maybe someone does care :)
Wait!
So if Ridley Scott has said this wasn't an ALIEN Prequel and that it is a totally new adventure why are their reports of a Xenomorph and Chestbursters being in Prometheus?
This is a first class f**k up of 20th Century marketing as my local Cinema listings are advertising it as a totally new sci-fi adventure- when its not.
This misleading might put off real ALIEN fans who believe they won't see any Xeno.
Something doesn't quite add up here. ???
I can't even begin to talk about how much this sucks.
Actually I can:
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It appears there was NEVER any real substance to this story after all. What a completely amateur bag of sh1te this all sounds.
And the cheap AVP ending sounds awful. A 'proto-xenomorph' and a non-Giger Juggernaut standing proud on LV223 - woopie f**kin doo. Hey I'm not impressed.
Thanks NRG01 for your report. I can totally understand your disappointment.
Notes:
(1) Why is the pictogram showing the Ancient Asstronaut pointing to the star map throughout the ages important if all they wanted to do was wipe out life on Earth? (Did they take out the dinosaurs too?!). Also why point to a bioweapons outpost? WTF?
(2) The Engineer bio-weapons station 'incident' happening 2000 years ago preventing the Earth extinction event, does this imply that mankind was technically 'saved' by some higher power, at around AD 0??!!
SPACE JESUS....
Whats up with Lindelof and that time period...2000 years ago? (Jacob/MIB, Smoke Monster etc)
It could mean that this date might hold some special significance, being the temporal junction point for the entire space-time continuum! Other than that it could just be an amazing coincidence.
Great Scott this is f**cked up...
Deep down I knew Fox would come up with a way to f*ck this up, even if Ridleys intentions were pure like he's stated a million times in interviews, Fox always shits in the apple pie
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
I'm still going in on June 8th in an attempt to enjoy the movie one way or another
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is
any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
Roll on ALIEN VS PREDATOR 3 the movie.
At least it will feature Xenos and the AVP films have been more consistent in terms of coming out in a space of a few years and doing what they say on the tin.
While I'm here yes I also like AVP-R in a "so crap its good" film whilst having some cool stuff going on.
Quote from: zoidy on May 29, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
Spot on. Anyone who's primarily placing the blame on Lindelof's shoulders clearly has prior beef with him. Grow the f**k up people and stop being so small-minded.
Also, as you say; the vast majority of you haven't even watched the film yet! Unbelievable!
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 29, 2012, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 29, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
Spot on. Anyone who's primarily placing the blame on Lindelof's shoulders clearly has prior beef with him. Grow the f**k up people and stop being so small-minded.
Also, as you say; the vast majority of you haven't even watched the film yet! Unbelievable!
I never watched LOST, and I don't really know much about Lindelof. However, after hearing him talk about being afraid of being discovered as a hack and even losing sleep over it, combined with these unanswered questions that lead to no where, leads me to believe he would be somewhat culpable if this film fails.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on May 29, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Roll on ALIEN VS PREDATOR 3 the movie.
At least it will feature Xenos and the AVP films have been more consistent in terms of coming out in a space of a few years and doing what they say on the tin.
While I'm here yes I also like AVP-R in a "so crap its good" film whilst having some cool stuff going on.
I'm pretty sure I see those sorts of films on the syfy channel every week ;D Just pretend the rubber suit fighting rubbish actress #2 is an "Alien" alien, and you're sorted!
Yeah NGRO1 please is there any airlock in the temple or how the feck is it possible they have helmets somewhere and somewhere not, some forcefield or decompression chamber? Some mechanism, with two doors? Or they just walk down hallway and they say ah OK we can breathe inside because we are deep in the rock :D
Quote from: Predaker on May 29, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
I never watched LOST, and I don't really know much about Lindelof. However, after hearing him talk about being afraid of being discovered as a hack and even losing sleep over it, combined with these unanswered questions that lead to no where, leads me to believe he would be somewhat culpable if this film fails.
Come on now. The only thing you can criticise here is Lindelof being chatty in interviews! LOL. To be honest, he comes across as a slightly arrogant so-and-so, but lets face it - his success and bank account suggest he is right to be so.
Ridley Scott is seen as a reserved professional Director, and so people are desperate to blame someone else if the film - THAT THEY HAVENT SEEN YET (LOL!!) - turns out to be a disappointment.
This thread is just brilliant!
Hi NGR01,
Thanks for taking the time and patience to reply to everyone's questions. I was wondering if you could explain the following (I hope it hasn't been asked before):
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In one of the trailers, there is a picture of the SJ attacking Shaw and his skin appears burnt/bubbled. Yet in the video we see of the engineer being attacked by the tentacle monster, his face and body seem clear. Does he end up getting acid on him during the fight with the monster? If so, does this mean he survives the impregnation and attacks Shaw outside the medbay? And if that is the case, how exactly does he die?
Also
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in another trailer we had a shot of a kind of "Pinocchio" looking character (not Fifield, but nor did it look like the SJ) dressed in a spacesuit, attacking crew members in the hangar. I just wondered if you could shed any light on this.
Sorry I don't have the video/image for the second question at the mo, I'll look for it to show you what I'm talking about.
Thanks again.
Quote from: Ruzena on May 29, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
Yeah NGRO1 please is there any airlock in the temple or how the feck is it possible they have helmets somewhere and somewhere not, some forcefield or decompression chamber? Some mechanism, with two doors? Or they just walk down hallway and they say ah OK we can breathe inside because we are deep in the rock :D
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There is some sort of door that give access to the the temple, it's almost closed.
Once they get deep inside it at some moment Holloway check the O2 levels they are normal, he removes his helmet then he say they (the engineers) must have been doing terraformation.
Sometime the characters in the corridors wear their helmet but mostly inside Engineers rooms they don't.
Basically its the main actors that remove their helmet all the time lol the rest we don't care.
The only airlock they open that has consequences, is the one leading to the head room, its has been sealed for 2000 years, when they open it they damage the mural and the urns wich start leaking the black goo...
Then there is of course the airlock leading to the juggernaut.
Quote from: zoidy on May 29, 2012, 10:45:08 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 29, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
I never watched LOST, and I don't really know much about Lindelof. However, after hearing him talk about being afraid of being discovered as a hack and even losing sleep over it, combined with these unanswered questions that lead to no where, leads me to believe he would be somewhat culpable if this film fails.
Come on now. The only thing you can criticise here is Lindelof being chatty in interviews! LOL. To be honest, he comes across as a slightly arrogant so-and-so, but lets face it - his success and bank account suggest he is right to be so.
Ridley Scott is seen as a reserved professional Director, and so people are desperate to blame someone else if the film - THAT THEY HAVENT SEEN YET (LOL!!) - turns out to be a disappointment.
This thread is just brilliant!
I'm not blaming anyone, and I have no problem with Lindelof being arrogant. I didn't criticise him and I haven't even seen the film yet. :P Relax mate, and appreciate the opinions of others. ;)
Quote from: zoidy on May 29, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
No this is not what happened. Spaights wrote a screenplay and pitched it to ridley, ridley liked it and pitched it to Fox. After some rewrites and focus points, Fox approved and brought in Lindelof to replace Spaights. Lindelof rewrote the entire thing and convinced Ridley his way was the way to go. Im sure Ridley pushed back on some things, but obviously not enough.
Everything that is being said about the vagueness, story, characters, and lack of cohesion is the same comments that have been made about everything Lindelof has written and got produced,
everything. Ridley and Lindelof are also Producers on Prometheus so they actually have more say in what goes in or not, and some say in the budgeting process and ownership over anything new they create. Ridley does not own Alien rights, but he does Prometheus'. Co-writer is a Huge misnomer, he rewrote Spaights draft several times and what we get on the screen is what Lindelof wrote, the only thing left from Spaights is the Premise, thats it, everything else is Lindelof's pen and Ridley's misguided trust in the guy. Im sure Fox told him "this guy is the new hotness. He'll generate Questions."(Yeah, that's all he'll generate) and Ridley has to trust that, otherwise Lindelof would have never been brought in (no need for him). Ridley can only be as good as the ideas presented to him other than his own. If this MiB/Smoke Monster Wannabe has been feeding him nonsense, well there you have it. Ridley directed what Lindelof WROTE.
They literally own this and the mess up is theirs, in a greater sense than just a director making a bad movie. They cant blame fox or the other execs/producers.....They are Producers. I just focus on Lindelof because he continues to do this on every project he is on. You would think after knowingly being a hack, and being called out for it, even if you never ADMITTED to it, you would atleast TRY to improve and silence the doubters. Make your masterpiece....do all the things they said you couldn't get right. He doesn't, He just replies "i wrote it perfect" then goes on to write his next tragedy, mangling someone else's work and art. Its not about personal beef or jealousy. Its about how so many of us can do so much more..care so much more..but most of us will not get the same opportunities to shine, and if we did, we certainly wouldn't take it for granted. Yeah we better be getting PAID for it but trust me, we would be investing our souls and spirit into the work. Instead they hire him and we get medicore, spit in your face everything.
Ridley has atleast made some masterpieces before and has a unique vision of his own. Its obvious the "plan" was to create Ridley's "Star Wars" but they didnt do "a new hope" they did "Luke Starkiller"
Lindelof's lack of respect for the material and solidity of the artform might end up costing them this great opportunity.
Im not a hater believe me, ill go see the movie and enjoy the experience, but it most likely wont be what Ridley could have accomplished without this epeen of a writer/producer. They'll get my ticket money, and that's all that matter's right? Hell No. Never.
Its about RESPECT, SPIRIT, and OPPORTUNITY
Quote from: YouAreMyLuckyStar on May 29, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
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in another trailer we had a shot of a kind of "Pinocchio" looking character (not Fifield, but nor did it look like the SJ) dressed in a spacesuit, attacking crew members in the hangar. I just wondered if you could shed any light on this.
Thanks again.
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It's Fifield, there is no other crazy mutant in the hangar attacking the crew.
But like i already said, we saw him in one of the trailer having elongated limbs but inthe movie he does not have those.
So the design evolved during post production.
Same goes about the burnt engineer in the tvspot, i don't recall seeing him burnt in the movie.
His face is clearly seen un harmed when he's attacked by the giant Squid.
The engineer attacks Shaw then get attacked by the Squid, shaw escapes, Engineer dies impregnated.
No acid from the Squid nor he does hunt Shaw outside the ship.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 29, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
No this is not what happened. Spaights wrote a screenplay and pitched it to ridley, ridley liked it and pitched it to Fox. After some rewrites and focus points, Fox approved and brought in Lindelof. Lindelof rewrote the entire thing and convinced Ridley his way was the way to go. Im sure Ridley pushed back on some things, but obviously not enough.
Everything that is being said about the story, characters, and lack of cohesion is the same comments that have been made about everything Lindelof has written and got produced, everything. Ridley and Lindelof are also Producers on Prometheus so they actually have some say in the budgeting process and ownership over anything new they create. Ridley does not own Alien rights, but he does Prometheus'. Co writer is a Huge misnomer, he rewrote Spaights draft several times and what we get on the screen is what Lindelof wrote, the only thing left from Spaights is the Premise. Ridley directed and edited probably with the help of Terry Rawlings.
They own this and the mess up is their's. I just focus on Lindelof because he continues to do this on every project he is on. Ridley has atleast made some masterpieces before and has a unique vision of his own.
Excellent! Thank you.
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Ridley directed and edited probably with the help of Terry Rawlings.
Uh, Terry Rawlings didn't touch this film (unfortunately). And I'm pretty sure he's retired anyway.
I don't suppose theres any way that they left parts out at the French screening is there?
No way mate.
This is it.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 11:12:52 PM
No way mate.
This is it.
I'm curious: After having awhile to digest everything do you still have the same initial response that you posted about yesterday? Or have you gained a greater appreciation after having some time to digest everything?
I bet you're ready to see it again! I've still got a week and a half left to wait :-[
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
No this is not what happened. Spaights wrote a screenplay and pitched it to ridley, ridley liked it and pitched it to Fox. After some rewrites and focus points, Fox approved and brought in Lindelof to replace Spaights. Lindelof rewrote the entire thing and convinced Ridley his way was the way to go. Im sure Ridley pushed back on some things, but obviously not enough.
Everything that is being said about the vagueness, story, characters, and lack of cohesion is the same comments that have been made about everything Lindelof has written and got produced, everything. Ridley and Lindelof are also Producers on Prometheus so they actually have some say in the budgeting process and ownership over anything new they create. Ridley does not own Alien rights, but he does Prometheus'. Co writer is a Huge misnomer, he rewrote Spaights draft several times and what we get on the screen is what Lindelof wrote, the only thing left from Spaights is the Premise. Ridley directed and edited probably with the help of Terry Rawlings.
They literally own this and the mess up is theirs not Fox. I just focus on Lindelof because he continues to do this on every project he is on. Ridley has atleast made some masterpieces before and has a unique vision of his own. Its obvious the "plan" was to create Ridley's "Star Wars" but they didnt do "a new hope" they did "the phantom menace"
My point is the claim that this disaster (which I suspect isnt a disaster at all but we will see) is the fauly of the disgusting talent vaccum that is Lindelof. Or something.
But it's Ridley's film, and in the promotional interviews I'm pretty sure Scott and Lindelof said they rewrote and rewrote the script.
Why on earth would Ridley Scott make a film based on a rubbish script he wasn't happy with? Unlikely.
I m still definitly annoyed by the final act.
The movie leading to it was really cool, not mindblowing but really cool.
Too bad it fails in the end for me.
Seeing it tommorrow maybe or Tuesday with some hardcore ALIEN fans ^^
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Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
No this is not what happened. Spaights wrote a screenplay and pitched it to ridley, ridley liked it and pitched it to Fox. After some rewrites and focus points, Fox approved and brought in Lindelof to replace Spaights. Lindelof rewrote the entire thing and convinced Ridley his way was the way to go. Im sure Ridley pushed back on some things, but obviously not enough.
Everything that is being said about the vagueness, story, characters, and lack of cohesion is the same comments that have been made about everything Lindelof has written and got produced, everything. Ridley and Lindelof are also Producers on Prometheus so they actually have some say in the budgeting process and ownership over anything new they create. Ridley does not own Alien rights, but he does Prometheus'. Co writer is a Huge misnomer, he rewrote Spaights draft several times and what we get on the screen is what Lindelof wrote, the only thing left from Spaights is the Premise. Ridley directed and edited probably with the help of Terry Rawlings.
They literally own this and the mess up is theirs not Fox. I just focus on Lindelof because he continues to do this on every project he is on. Ridley has atleast made some masterpieces before and has a unique vision of his own. Its obvious the "plan" was to create Ridley's "Star Wars" but they didnt do "a new hope" they did "the phantom menace"
My point is the claim that this disaster (which I suspect isnt a disaster at all but we will see) is the fauly of the disgusting talent vaccum that is Lindelof. Or something.
But it's Ridley's film, and in the promotional interviews I'm pretty sure Scott and Lindelof said they rewrote and rewrote the script.
Why on earth would Ridley Scott make a film based on a rubbish script he wasn't happy with? Unlikely.
Its not rubbish, but it doesn't seem to quite "deliver," either. Perhaps some folks had high expectations. ;)
Quote from: Parker on May 29, 2012, 10:26:40 PM
Deep down I knew Fox would come up with a way to f*ck this up, even if Ridleys intentions were pure like he's stated a million times in interviews, Fox always shits in the apple pie
Maybe I'm missing something.. what'd Fox mess up?
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
No this is not what happened. Spaights wrote a screenplay and pitched it to ridley, ridley liked it and pitched it to Fox. After some rewrites and focus points, Fox approved and brought in Lindelof to replace Spaights. Lindelof rewrote the entire thing and convinced Ridley his way was the way to go. Im sure Ridley pushed back on some things, but obviously not enough.
Everything that is being said about the vagueness, story, characters, and lack of cohesion is the same comments that have been made about everything Lindelof has written and got produced, everything. Ridley and Lindelof are also Producers on Prometheus so they actually have some say in the budgeting process and ownership over anything new they create. Ridley does not own Alien rights, but he does Prometheus'. Co writer is a Huge misnomer, he rewrote Spaights draft several times and what we get on the screen is what Lindelof wrote, the only thing left from Spaights is the Premise. Ridley directed and edited probably with the help of Terry Rawlings.
They liter
Well the premise is that a guy who wrote confused random series for people high on pot, where it seems he doesn't really know what the characters will be doing in the next episode is probably not the best person to make prequel for cult sci-fi movie that influenced generations. H may be rich as f**k but something tells me he got this job because he made blowjob to Rothman or something similiar :D
The people back then seemed to take stuff more seriously and thats why it worked. To me it comes as f**king incoherent mass of information with
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f**kING SPACE OCTOPUS and random snakes
on top :DDDD
Well I cant say Im happy that just when Ridley was about to do an Alien movie, someone talked him out of it. But still, the movie might be a masterpiece on its own, and
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it STILL features our favorite creature
...or maybe Ridley just happens to be a fan of Lost.
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Quote from: Parker on May 29, 2012, 10:26:40 PM
Deep down I knew Fox would come up with a way to f*ck this up, even if Ridleys intentions were pure like he's stated a million times in interviews, Fox always shits in the apple pie
Maybe I'm missing something.. what'd Fox mess up?
Fox as a company has a notorious history of pushing product for pure money generation (Alien franchise, Predator franchise, AVP franchise, X-Men: The Last Stand, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, etc.) I think the board at Fox is the most "hands on" with the movies that are being made, which is normally not a good thing.
Just read about how Alan Ladd Jr. ended up leaving the company. This is the guy that believed in Lucas and Ridley's visions in the late 70's and left Fox after he saw how the board wanted to exploit the films for pure cash and sacrificing story/vision.
Granted there are folks out there that think there's nothing wrong with making as much money as you can. That's all part of the game. But there's no reason you can't mix money with artistic vision. Which is what Prometheus SHOULD be. And could be once I've had a chance to see it. I 100% believe that NGR has seen Prometheus, and I've been watchin' the boards long enough to know how much he was looking forward to seeing it. If he was disappointed, then I'm sure there will be parts that disappoint all of us. But we can't let that stop us from enjoying it overall.
As long as these creatures or the mythos surrounding these creatures make it to the silver screen, I'll be there to give 'em my money
Quote from: Predaker on May 29, 2012, 11:36:40 PM
...or maybe Ridley just happens to be a fan of Lost.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rexwallpapers.com%2Fimages%2Fwallpapers%2Fmovie%2Flost-in-space%2Flost_in_space_3.jpg&hash=574ac254d88fedf031526047a0d931ae630d999c)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Sorry to bombard you, NGR01, one more quick question: how does Shaw escape the SquidBaby? We see it wrap a tentacle around her leg when it grabs the Engineer in the TV spot.
i obviously have not seen the film as it comes out on the 8th in the u.s but this seems so apparent that I don't think I have to use a spoiler tag. I imagine she would use the axe to cut the tentacle. I would be damn suprised if something else happened.
Hi everyone. I've been coming to this site for Prometheus news the last few months. I've been an Alien and Predator fan for years so this enthusiasm is great to see. This is my first forum post.
I just want to comment on what I'm seeing on this thread. I think there is too much overreaction to some of the negative reviews and some nitpicking on what some people expect from this film. This film will be just fine! Please chill out. They're starting a new mythology of the Engineer race, so why would they answer all questions in this first film? This is the start of something new and fresh and I'm excited to see where it goes.
Please remember there are a lot more positive reviews than negative.
I am going to enjoy this movie with an open mind with no expectations.
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Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
Spot on. Anyone who's primarily placing the blame on Lindelof's shoulders clearly has prior beef with him. Grow the f**k up people and stop being so small-minded.
Also, as you say; the vast majority of you haven't even watched the film yet! Unbelievable!
I never watched LOST, and I don't really know much about Lindelof. However, after hearing him talk about being afraid of being discovered as a hack and even losing sleep over it, combined with these unanswered questions that lead to no where, leads me to believe he would be somewhat culpable if this film fails.
It's more that he knows he is the easier target for fanboy venom.
That's all.
Alot of people will refuse to believe Ridley failed to live up to expectations when suffice to say there was no possible way he could've.
Alien was everyone's first taste of this world and creature.
A b-flick haunted house movie done art-house style has become a pop culture icon.
A untouchable experience and monster that a lot of us have grown up with and take serious ownership over.
We hope for the best but in the end was there REALLY a way to surpass it?
I think the disappointment felt now will turn into acceptance of this.
Kind of like Alien 3 being nowhere comparable to the 2 previous movies.
Time and the assembly cut were very kind to Alien 3, I think Prometheus will end up in that ballpark.
I still very much look forward to seeing it.
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Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
Spot on. Anyone who's primarily placing the blame on Lindelof's shoulders clearly has prior beef with him. Grow the f**k up people and stop being so small-minded.
Also, as you say; the vast majority of you haven't even watched the film yet! Unbelievable!
I never watched LOST, and I don't really know much about Lindelof. However, after hearing him talk about being afraid of being discovered as a hack and even losing sleep over it, combined with these unanswered questions that lead to no where, leads me to believe he would be somewhat culpable if this film fails.
It's more that he knows he is the easier target for fanboy venom.
That's all.
Alot of people will refuse to believe Ridley failed to live up to expectations when suffice to say there was no possible way he could've.
Alien was everyone's first taste of this world and creature.
A b-flick haunted house movie done art-house style has become a pop culture icon.
A untouchable experience and monster that a lot of us have grown up with and take serious ownership over.
We hope for the best but in the end was there REALLY a way to surpass it?
I think the disappointment felt now will turn into acceptance of this.
Kind of like Alien 3 being nowhere comparable to the 2 previous movies.
Time and the assembly cut were very kind to Alien 3, I think Prometheus will end up in that ballpark.
I still very much look forward to seeing it.
In other words, this movie will be the victim of its own hype?
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It's more that he knows he is the easier target for fanboy venom.
That's all.
Alot of people will refuse to believe Ridley failed to live up to expectations when suffice to say there was no possible way he could've.
Alien was everyone's first taste of this world and creature.
A b-flick haunted house movie done art-house style has become a pop culture icon.
A untouchable experience and monster that a lot of us have grown up with and take serious ownership over.
We hope for the best but in the end was there REALLY a way to surpass it?
I think the disappointment felt now will turn into acceptance of this.
Kind of like Alien 3 being nowhere comparable to the 2 previous movies.
Time and the assembly cut were very kind to Alien 3, I think Prometheus will end up in that ballpark.
I still very much look forward to seeing it.
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In other words, this movie will be the victim of its own hype?
Bingo.
Also NGRO1 - ARE THERE NAKED PUSH - UPS???????????????????
I'm not actually blaming Lindelof for this, he's quite clearly the money man, thick skinned millionairre fall guy with nothing to lose.
I blame SPAIHTS.
The ancient asstronaut sh1t was clearly the key to all of this mess. I bet thats what caught Ridley's ear at the initial pitch and got him excited, in a big-time psuedo-science way. "eee, 2001 on steroids, f**kin great!"
What I find most insulting is that the story they have Sellotaped/ScotchTaped onto the side of ALIEN is completely devoid of any logic or sense or science. Throws away all the cool Giger stuff that made ALIEN so iconic in the first place, and just has a totally shit story. And shit forgetable monsters.
Still, Spaihts can at least console himself that if his movie career fails he can at least spend the rest if his career photographing his top international bird instead.
Quote from: Ruzena on May 30, 2012, 12:00:12 AM
Also NGRO1 - ARE THERE NAKED PUSH - UPS???????????????????
LOL that rumor was pure BS from day one Vickers has been wearing a bra in that scene.
After reading all the spoilers, it seems like they went the easy way out and played it safe. Lindelof sounds like the kinda guy that would answer your questions with another question! They should have paid Giger whatever he wanted to get involved and to draw up maybe just 3 new things. This "Jason Engineer" (can't wait to see the Halloween costumes this year!) just seems like he should be so above personal one-on-one violence and I was kinda hoping to see him go into some scary chamber in the temple and unleash some scary Xeno-based Alien that would make the first 1979 creature look like Winnie The Pooh. Yeah, I think a golden opportunity might have been missed here from the early reports.
I think we're doing ourselves a disservice by prejudging the movie.
So there is no grand mythology. No hordes of mutants/ proto xenos/ cuddles rampaging through the ship.
There is no grand space jockey scientist. No Elder Xenos the SJ's worship. No mind controlled humans with the cobra snake mutating them.
Basically every cool theory and idea the fans worked out all by themselves have been ignored for well nothing?
Ockey dokey. Time for a refund with my advanced ticket and ill save it for the DVD.
Quote from: nostromo mechanic on May 30, 2012, 12:20:24 AM
After reading all the spoilers, it seems like they went the easy way out and played it safe. Lindelof sounds like the kinda guy that would answer your questions with another question! They should have paid Giger whatever he wanted to get involved and to draw up maybe just 3 new things. This "Jason Engineer" (can't wait to see the Halloween costumes this year!) just seems like he should be so above personal one-on-one violence and I was kinda hoping to see him go into some scary chamber in the temple and unleash some scary Xeno-based Alien that would make the first 1979 creature look like Winnie The Pooh. Yeah, I think a golden opportunity might have been missed here from the early reports.
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I'm not really bothered by the whole final fight style engineer violence.
I mean we have all sorts of wonderful technology and we still step on bugs.
Why use telepathy or technology on a foe you don't see as a threat.
I mean if the engineer really considered the away team dangerous I doubt he walks up and goes mortal kombat on the android and judo chops his way through gunfire.
I kinda wished they would have gone a 180 away from Xenomorphs for good honestly but that's just my opinion.
Everyone wanted a bigger badder xeno but in the end its something you have already seen and know.
It's kinda a catch 22 I guess.
Our theories are way much better than what those 2 screenwriter hacks came up with...
Quote from: Alienseseses on May 30, 2012, 12:23:40 AMI think we're doing ourselves a disservice by prejudging the movie.
We are, but when a story is this shaky no amount of SFX or good acting can stabilize it. Good movies don't require sequels to make sense. This is vintage Lindelof, something I have feared deep in my bones ever since he was named on this project.
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Quote from: Alienseseses on May 30, 2012, 12:23:40 AMI think we're doing ourselves a disservice by prejudging the movie.
We are, but when a story is this shaky no amount of SFX or good acting can stabilize it. Good movies don't require sequels to make sense. This is vintage Lindelof, something I have feared deep in my bones ever since he was named on this project.
Me too Brotha, Me too :'(
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Quote from: Alienseseses on May 30, 2012, 12:23:40 AMI think we're doing ourselves a disservice by prejudging the movie.
We are, but when a story is this shaky no amount of SFX or good acting can stabilize it. Good movies don't require sequels to make sense. This is vintage Lindelof, something I have feared deep in my bones ever since he was named on this project.
...I didn't say we're doing ourselves a disservice by not being ok with it being sequel bait, I'm saying we haven't seen the damn thing. Most of us, at least.
Someone else no one has mentioned yet, which is a suprise considering the crap he spoon fed us....but I'm also gonna nominate CEO Tom Rothman as the man who REALLY has a lot to answer for if this film sucks!
NGR
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How does Vickers die?
I don't think anyone's asked that yet
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 12:28:19 AM
Our theories are way much better than what those 2 screenwriter hacks came up with...
To be fair I'm sure a good number of people could have written a better original movie.
I think we overthink this franchise.
The first movie is extremely cardboard and vague.
If it were to be released today a lot of people would be tearing it apart.
It was the design and monster that hooked everybody and now you have had 30+ years to be exposed to it in books,movies,comics and pepsi commercials it kinda is overexposed and we have taken ownership over it.
I mean they don't even explain exactly what the xeno does to people or its motivations, its all fill in the blanks with your own ideas.
The space jockey looks cool but was in no way vital to the movie.
It was the mystery that made it so fun to speculate.
All questions no answers.
Now that Ridley went back and tried to flesh out the back story of things that were window dressing to begin with
this is what you get.
Now that the space jockey has been fleshed out we realized we liked our own ideas better.
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Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 30, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on May 30, 2012, 12:23:40 AMI think we're doing ourselves a disservice by prejudging the movie.
We are, but when a story is this shaky no amount of SFX or good acting can stabilize it. Good movies don't require sequels to make sense. This is vintage Lindelof, something I have feared deep in my bones ever since he was named on this project.
...I didn't say we're doing ourselves a disservice by not being ok with it being sequel bait, I'm saying we haven't seen the damn thing. Most of us, at least.
I must agree. Some things may sound stupid in words or on paper, but can be brilliant onscreen done by a great director. Take Alien for example. Alien's story has been done 3 or four times at least before Alien. Astronauts pick up distress signal on a planet, find ruins of something, monster stows away on the ship, kills passengers one by one, gets jettison into space at the end. That story has been done multiple times and Alien was either sued or threatened to get sued by two authors. All the other movies with that story were B movies or stories most people dont know or remember. So what made Alien different? The presentation. Same story, but with great eye, great look, feel, characters and design
Why is the SJ in Alien so much bigger?
Quote from: Alienseseses on May 30, 2012, 12:23:40 AM
I think we're doing ourselves a disservice by prejudging the movie.
This.
Everyone can scream for their money back once they actually see the movie and of course flail like madmen about how bad it was for eternity. Until then our opinions shouldnt be based on the opinions of a handful of people.
There are people on this board that think A L I E N S is poo. Thats their opinion and its fine but I wouldnt blindly throw my hands up and say "Welp Cameron is a retard, I wont even bother to see this POS now" without seeing it for myself.
I mean who would watch a movie where the climax is a minute long battle between a giant space bug and a forklift over an orphan?
Quote from: Parker on May 30, 2012, 12:39:36 AM
NGR
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How does Vickers die?
I don't think anyone's asked that yet
He has indeed mate...
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...Vickers gets crushed by the Juggernaught...
...seriously!!! ::)
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Quote from: Parker on May 30, 2012, 12:39:36 AM
NGR
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How does Vickers die?
I don't think anyone's asked that yet
He has indeed mate...
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...Vickers gets crushed by the Juggernaught...
...seriously!!! ::)
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Guess the B*tch shouldn't have parked her lifepod so close! :-\
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 12:42:20 AMAstronauts pick up distress signal on a planet, find ruins of something, monster stows away on the ship, kills passengers one by one, gets jettison into space at the end.
But it ends, and neatly too. No matter how badly this story is told on screen, it's a good story. What we have here is the opposite; a shit story, being told well. There's no coming back from that. Lindelof simply does not get one of the most important rules of good story writing; you need to know the ending before you can write the beginning.
Hack is too nice a word for this guy.
NGR01 is lying, HE FORGOT TO MENTION
THE OBSCENE AMOUNT OF SPACE TAPIR IN THIS FILM.
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So the SJ on LV-426 is approx. 2,000 years old from the original accident, yet the baby proto xeno is born on accident from mixing black goo with humans + $quid + engineer?
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 30, 2012, 12:55:10 AM
Quote from: Parker on May 30, 2012, 12:39:36 AM
NGR
Spoiler
How does Vickers die?
I don't think anyone's asked that yet
He has indeed mate...
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...Vickers gets crushed by the Juggernaught...
...seriously!!! ::)
That someone would be crushed under it, was already spoiled by them nicknaming the ship JUGGERNAUT. Look that up. Then when they showed her laying on the ground and the camera being pressed towards her face...it was obvious Theron would be crushed. No spoiler there.
I still think this will be a great film.
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
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So the SJ on LV-426 is approx. 2,000 years old from the original accident, yet the baby proto xeno is born on accident from mixing black goo with humans + $quid + engineer?
Yeah....
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But on a Different planet in the SAME solar system. who writes this stuff? Nevermind.
Since all the engineers were dead and their body's are lying about, where are the caucuses or remnants of the creatures that killed them? That's the only thing that I can't figure out at this point......
The majority of people who have seen the film are praising it and still, the members here bitch and moan. I'm pretty tired of it.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
The majority of people who have seen the film are praising it and still, the members here bitch and moan. I'm pretty tired of it.
Heard that.
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Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
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So the SJ on LV-426 is approx. 2,000 years old from the original accident, yet the baby proto xeno is born on accident from mixing black goo with humans + $quid + engineer?
Yeah....Spoiler
But on a Different planet in the SAME solar system. who writes this stuff? Nevermind.
You guys just blew my mind, stating exactly what I was gonna make a post about.
I was gonna about to talk about SPACE TAPIRS BUT FUK IT.
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If the aliens birth just happened in 2179 , of the result of the black dot goo being drank by Halloway, jizzed into Shaw, created a squid star beast hugger , and empregnated a jockey . Does this mean the original Alien form is this? Because that means the Derelict on LV-426 that is already rotten on that planet during Prometheus events has its eggs already from years back? So the original prototype Alien is that little black dot? That can take form? The Alien birthed in Prometheus is not the first of its kind? Mang f**k Damon fuk him to hell
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
The majority of people who have seen the film are praising it and still, the members here bitch and moan. I'm pretty tired of it.
Take a break. :P
Back from the theater.
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What an awful movie. And that "Alien DNA" at the end ::) WTF honestly? Even worse than ADI job HAHA!
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
Back from the theater.
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What an awful movie. And that "Alien DNA" at the end ::) WTF honestly? Even worse than ADI job HAHA!
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so the baby xeno looks ADI fleshy? Pumpkin head style.
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Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
Back from the theater.
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What an awful movie. And that "Alien DNA" at the end ::) WTF honestly? Even worse than ADI job HAHA!
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so the baby xeno looks ADI fleshy? Pumpkin head style.
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I can't say beside that even the aliens in AVP seems much better. It just looks ridiculous in Prometheus.
Damon Lindelof assured the Lost fanbase that the island was not purgatory and everyone wasn't dead. Then in the final season we found out that the flash sideways was purgatory and they were actually dead in all of those scenes.
Now it seems like he is doing the same thing with Prometheus.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:41:31 AM
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 01:40:17 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
Back from the theater.
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What an awful movie. And that "Alien DNA" at the end ::) WTF honestly? Even worse than ADI job HAHA!
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so the baby xeno looks ADI fleshy? Pumpkin head style.
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I can't say beside that even the aliens in AVP seems much better. It just looks ridiculous in Prometheus.
Ouch.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
Back from the theater.
Spoiler
What an awful movie. And that "Alien DNA" at the end ::) WTF honestly? Even worse than ADI job HAHA!
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Was it as bad as AVP?
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 30, 2012, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
Back from the theater.
Spoiler
What an awful movie. And that "Alien DNA" at the end ::) WTF honestly? Even worse than ADI job HAHA!
Spoiler
Was it as bad as AVP?
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It had everything I don't like mixed. It has some cheesy dialog. It had unknown characters (17 crew member on board and you see like... 10 of them?) It had some non sense moment, it had the slasher disgusting aka SAW - AVPR thing which I just can't stand because it looks stupid. It had this "horror" moment where they like to put a very loud noise to make you jump but it is ultra predictable. It had a weak story with many shortcut, character twist like Edwin in Predators. It asked even more question than answering and it gave us like 10000000000 useless informations. And in all this mystery everything in the movie was predictable.
... and there were many many many scenes cut.
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Please tell me the SJ is not Jason X. please ???
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 30, 2012, 01:51:49 AM
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Please tell me the SJ is not Jason X. please ???
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Michael Myers - Umm! oHm! Hello There! have you guys chosen already who plays the Engineer?
Employer - Yes We have!
Michael Myers - YA DON'T UNDERSTAND ! YA CAN'T BE SERIOUS! i will kill you...
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Employer - You are damn right son! the job is yours! just kid!
Michael Myers - Oh i am so happy! just tell me what the hell i am i supposed to do! Where do I sign up?
Employer - Ya will see... Nothing you haven't done before...
OH NAY! THEY DON'T! MY HEIR! MUTHER FU**RS! THESE BALD DUDES JUST CUT MY HAIR AND LEFT ME HEARRR!
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WTF IS THIS S**T NOW?!? THUS AIN'T HAPPENING! THIS AIN'T IN THE SCRIPT!?! FIENDISH TENTACLE MONSTER!
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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
The majority of people who have seen the film are praising it and still, the members here bitch and moan. I'm pretty tired of it.
Totally agree, actually makes it frustrating to read through people post. Iv read a lot of positive reviews and all this hate has come from the opinion of one member. People need to stop jumping on the wagon, so to speak, and wait for the f*****g film to come out
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:51:45 AM
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 30, 2012, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
Back from the theater.
Spoiler
What an awful movie. And that "Alien DNA" at the end ::) WTF honestly? Even worse than ADI job HAHA!
Spoiler
Was it as bad as AVP?
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It had everything I don't like mixed. It has some cheesy dialog. It had unknown characters (17 crew member on board and you see like... 10 of them?) It had some non sense moment, it had the slasher disgusting aka SAW - AVPR thing which I just can't stand because it looks stupid. It had this "horror" moment where they like to put a very loud noise to make you jump but it is ultra predictable. It had a weak story with many shortcut, character twist like Edwin in Predators. It asked even more question than answering and it gave us like 10000000000 useless informations. And in all this mystery everything in the movie was predictable.
... and there were many many many scenes cut.
Pretty damning...and depressing, because you listed many of the same points that I would intensely dislike, as well.
Quote... and there were many many many scenes cut.
How so? Stuff from the trailers missing or did it just seem like there should have been more?
So this movie sucks huge balls? Great The Dark Knight Rises better have a Xenos in it.
Wahhhh! This movie isn't exactly how I wanted it to be!!
Boohoo! There are no xenomorphs!!
Sniff sniff! The Jockey is too small!
Poopoo! I don't like the ship having new-looking technology!
Gurglegurgle! The movie is too slow!
Holy freaking crap! Really?!
It's been a while since I've seen such a group mewling, whining, crying bitches!
I was really hoping these boards would be different than the others...I was wrong.
There were stuff from the trailer but those didn't bother me.
Even if I was expecting some.
What actually missed were transition.
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Like David enters the room in the beginning of the Cryo. Go in direction of a cryo container and the next shot he's wearing this yellow glasses thing spying shaw dreams. There are many things like this missing. Bad bad bad editing. The dinner thing also looked sooooooooo short.
And yes, to me at least (My OPINION) this movie s*cks.
I loved Alien, like Aliens, appreciated Alien³, didn't care about Resurrection, hated AVP, realized that someone could do worse -> AVP-R.
Prometheus was stupid, déjà vue, uninspired and even cheesy.
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 30, 2012, 02:14:17 AM
Wahhhh! This movie isn't exactly how I wanted it to be!!
Boohoo! There are no xenomorphs!!
Sniff sniff! The Jockey is too small!
Poopoo! I don't like the ship having new-looking technology!
Gurglegurgle! The movie is too slow!
Holy freaking crap! Really?!
It's been a while since I've seen such a group mewling, whining, crying bitches!
I was really hoping these boards would be different than the others...I was wrong.
I agree. I was shocked to read that some people want the ideas that they conjure in their head to play out in the screens. Somehow, that might not be possible because the movie is produced and directed by other people, thus what will be shown is what those movie people conjure up. Apparently, the freedom to post what they want has led to people thinking that they can just post anything, without rationale or sensibility. I respect other people's opinions and ideas, but people must realise that it is not likely that the movie will display everything that we theorise or speculate or assume. My apologies if anyone is offended.
Amen Cossack
The Kool-Aid drinkers are out in full-force waving their fanboy banners I see.
The film may indeed suck for all you know. Based on the early reactions, it's actually quite likely. Give it a rest and wait for the goddamned film before you sit and start pointing fingers at the people who've seen the film when you haven't--"You just couldn't appreciate it because of all your preconceived notions!!!" Yawn.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:35:51 AM
The Kool-Aid drinkers are out in full-force waving their fanboy banners I see.
The film may indeed suck for all you know. Based on the early reactions, it's actually quite likely. Give it a rest and wait for the goddamned film before you sit and start pointing fingers at the people who've seen the film when you haven't--"You just couldn't appreciate it because of all your preconceived notions!!!" Yawn.
Stark, dreary rationality to the rescue, Cvalda. :laugh: I salute you, ma'am, and that means a lot coming from a fanboy platoon leader like maself.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 02:38:43 AM
Stark, dreary rationality to the rescue, Cvalda. :laugh: I salute you, ma'am, and that means a lot coming from a fanboy platoon leader like maself.
My excitement for this film has become so bipolar over the last few days I officially don't care anymore. It's probably going to suck as I feared it would. I'd like to be surprised, but I probably won't.
Right now the only thing I'm ready for is to cringe through Lindelof's shitty dialogue.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:35:51 AM
The Kool-Aid drinkers are out in full-force waving their fanboy banners I see.
The film may indeed suck for all you know. Based on the early reactions, it's actually quite likely. Give it a rest and wait for the goddamned film before you sit and start pointing fingers at the people who've seen the film when you haven't--"You just couldn't appreciate it because of all your preconceived notions!!!" Yawn.
The film may suck, or it might be not. Some people may like it and some may curse it. That's normal. But, wishing that the movie play out the visions and theories in our heads might not be possible. That's my point.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
The majority of people who have seen the film are praising it and still, the members here bitch and moan. I'm pretty tired of it.
I totally agree with you!
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 30, 2012, 02:42:16 AM
The film may suck, or it might be not. Some people may like it and some may curse it. That's normal. But, wishing that the movie play out the visions and theories in our heads might not be possible. That's my point.
Was Le Celticant griping about that? No. He was let down by what he thought to be cheesy dialogue, terrible editing, and apparently awful creature designs. All completely legitimate reasons.
Give it a rest.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:43:50 AM
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 30, 2012, 02:42:16 AM
The film may suck, or it might be not. Some people may like it and some may curse it. That's normal. But, wishing that the movie play out the visions and theories in our heads might not be possible. That's my point.
Was Le Celticant griping about that? No. He was let down by what he thought to be cheesy dialogue, terrible editing, and apparently awful creature designs. All completely legitimate reasons.
Give it a rest.
Peace. :)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:41:40 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 02:38:43 AM
Stark, dreary rationality to the rescue, Cvalda. :laugh: I salute you, ma'am, and that means a lot coming from a fanboy platoon leader like maself.
My excitement for this film has become so bipolar over the last few days I officially don't care anymore. It's probably going to suck as I feared it would. I'd like to be surprised, but I probably won't.
Right now the only thing I'm ready for is to cringe through Lindelof's shitty dialogue.
There might be some holding required, whilst I rock and whisper to myself for days on end if the movie does indeed suck that hard.
What really worries me is I'm very sensitive to any and all forms of cheese. I can almost feel it coming, and it hits me with the force of an army of forks marching through plate town.
Ohhhh will I have some mental reconstruction to do if I'm more than mildly disappointed. I've already done that multiple times with this goddamned franchise. Ridley is the last hope. This is IT BABY!
So here it is...plain. Simple. The person in question, namely NGR01 had many disagreements with elements of the film before it even released. There are others, like you Cvalda, and RagingDragon that also mirror many of these misgivings. Some of you, like the aforementioned NGR01 have spelled out specific issues you have taken with many aspects of the film, before anyone had seen it. As I've said before, based on reading your comments, I don't expect you to like the film, and I haven't for a while, and that's okay. This isn't an insult or a judgment, just an observation. We're all friends here.
I wish people wouldn't bring their own desires and wants into the film, just to experience it for what it is (and as I've also stated over and over, it could be awful). But, we're all different. Those of us wanting a more balanced view going in to Prometheus are just expressing our opinions, popular or not, much like the rest. No insults meant, it's not personal.
I may not like the film based on my misgivings, but based on your comments all during the buildup to release, Bethesda, I expect you to come back from the screening, draped nude in a PROMETHEUS poster, proclaiming it to be the greatest movie ever made with the greatest acting ever and the greatest special effects ever and a truly amazing score and the omgitwasawesomeaijr0qu5r903uj5 :P ;) ;D
Oh we all cool,
babay. I enjoy the back-and-forth as long as it doesn't get crazy. So far it's been pretty interesting.
We're all in the shit come release day, and that's certainly going to bring us back together no matter what happens and who's right or wrong. ;) I'm almost to the point of ignoring everything until I get in dat theater...
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:51:23 AM
I may not like the film based on my misgivings, but based on your comments all during the buildup to release, Bethesda, I expect you to come back from the screening, draped nude in a PROMETHEUS poster, proclaiming it to be the greatest movie ever made with the greatest acting ever and the greatest special effects ever and a truly amazing score and the omgitwasawesomeaijr0qu5r903uj5 :P ;) ;D
:laugh: Eeeheeeheehee. If you're disappointed, Bethesda, that's it, f**king doomsday. The Mayans were right.
There I take issue. Nowhere have I consistently posted 'it's gonna be awesome, it's gonna be amazing, it's going to be the best ever.' that's an absolute twisting of my position. From day one I've said it could be bad, and have, on more then one occasion discussed some of my own preliminary issues from this film I haven't seen. I'd re-read my posts. ;) if anything I've posted my cautious optimism in regards to this film. Why that comes off like blatant Prometheus worship, is on you, not me.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:43:50 AM
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 30, 2012, 02:42:16 AM
The film may suck, or it might be not. Some people may like it and some may curse it. That's normal. But, wishing that the movie play out the visions and theories in our heads might not be possible. That's my point.
Was Le Celticant griping about that? No. He was let down by what he thought to be cheesy dialogue, terrible editing, and apparently awful creature designs. All completely legitimate reasons.
Give it a rest.
/!\SPOILER/!\
Spoiler
Cheesy Dialog:
-I bet you we're on a terraforming mission"
-I bet you we're going to meet E.T.
::)
Terrible Editing:
David is walking to the Cryo
CUT
David has yellow glasses that he hadn't and is arriving at the cryo.
And there are like 1000 mistakes like this with shortcut transitions as we're missing most of the scene.
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 02:54:03 AM
Nowhere have I consistently posted 'it's gonna be awesome, it's gonna be amazing, it's going to be the best ever.' that's an absolute twisting of my position. From day one I've said it could be bad, and have, on more then one occasion discussed some of my own preliminary issues from this film I haven't seen. I'd re-read my posts. ;) if anything I've posted my cautious optimism in regards to this film. Why that comes off like blatant Prometheus worship, is on you, not me.
Bethesda, you ain't foolin' anyone ;D
We know how you do. ;) :P
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:43:50 AM
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 30, 2012, 02:42:16 AM
The film may suck, or it might be not. Some people may like it and some may curse it. That's normal. But, wishing that the movie play out the visions and theories in our heads might not be possible. That's my point.
Was Le Celticant griping about that? No. He was let down by what he thought to be cheesy dialogue, terrible editing, and apparently awful creature designs. All completely legitimate reasons.
Give it a rest.
/!\SPOILER/!\
Spoiler
Cheesy Dialog:
-I bet you we're on a terraforming mission"
-I bet you we're going to meet E.T.
::)
Terrible Editing:
David is walking to the Cryo
CUT
David has yellow glasses that he hadn't and is arriving at the cryo.
And there are like 1000 mistakes like this with shortcut transitions as we're missing most of the scene.
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and the CUT -> Credit.
: | Mother of god.
Quote from: Aceburster on May 30, 2012, 02:59:02 AM
/!\SPOILER/!\
Spoiler
Cheesy Dialog:
-I bet you we're on a terraforming mission"
-I bet you we're going to meet E.T.
::)
Terrible Editing:
David is walking to the Cryo
CUT
David has yellow glasses that he hadn't and is arriving at the cryo.
And there are like 1000 mistakes like this with shortcut transitions as we're missing most of the scene.
Awful Design?
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-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and the CUT -> Credit.
: | Mother of god.
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You can say that again.
Because 'Ash is a goddamn robot' was riveting dialogue...Jesus Christ.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 02:48:00 AM
So here it is...plain. Simple. The person in question, namely NGR01 had many disagreements with elements of the film before it even released. There are others, like you Cvalda, and RagingDragon that also mirror many of these misgivings. Some of you, like the aforementioned NGR01 have spelled out specific issues you have taken with many aspects of the film, before anyone had seen it. As I've said before, based on reading your comments, I don't expect you to like the film, and I haven't for a while, and that's okay. This isn't an insult or a judgment, just an observation. We're all friends here.
I wish people wouldn't bring their own desires and wants into the film, just to experience it for what it is (and as I've also stated over and over, it could be awful). But, we're all different. Those of us wanting a more balanced view going in to Prometheus are just expressing our opinions, popular or not, much like the rest. No insults meant, it's not personal.
Couldnt have put it better myself.
Cvalda, and everyone else of the same frame of mind, I feel sorry for you that your going to the film like this. This movie event is going to be wasted on you.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:00:28 AM
Because 'Ash is a goddamn robot' was riveting dialogue...Jesus Christ.
Delivered by Yaphet Kotto, hell yeah. ;)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:00:28 AM
Because 'Ash is a goddamn robot' was riveting dialogue...Jesus Christ.
See, that doesn't help your case. :laugh:
And I'm the last person this movie would be wasted on. I'm completely open to the movie experience, and have absolutely poured myself into nearly every aspect of this film, and invested 100% faith in Ridley Scott.
If the movie sucks,
the movie f**king sucks. I still don't think it will, tbh. Editing, ehh kind of a matter of taste, and Ridley wouldn't let someone butcher his film by editing it poorly.
A few spotty dialogue lines? Which movies don't have those these days? I haven't seen one in a loooong time. Not the end of the world by far, especially if they fit with the character. There's a time and a place. f**king Aliens is
riddled with cheesy lines, no one cares because the movie is solid as hell.
Spoiler
End creature? That's going to be a regrettable f**k up, if that's true, but I'm reserving judgment until I see it with my own eyes. Even then, hardly going to ruin the entire 2 f**king hours leading up to it. I'd view a scene like that as more of an easter-egg bonus.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 30, 2012, 03:02:01 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 02:48:00 AM
So here it is...plain. Simple. The person in question, namely NGR01 had many disagreements with elements of the film before it even released. There are others, like you Cvalda, and RagingDragon that also mirror many of these misgivings. Some of you, like the aforementioned NGR01 have spelled out specific issues you have taken with many aspects of the film, before anyone had seen it. As I've said before, based on reading your comments, I don't expect you to like the film, and I haven't for a while, and that's okay. This isn't an insult or a judgment, just an observation. We're all friends here.
I wish people wouldn't bring their own desires and wants into the film, just to experience it for what it is (and as I've also stated over and over, it could be awful). But, we're all different. Those of us wanting a more balanced view going in to Prometheus are just expressing our opinions, popular or not, much like the rest. No insults meant, it's not personal.
Couldnt have put it better myself.
Cvalda, and everyone else of the same frame of mind, I feel sorry for you that your going to the film like this. This movie event is going to be wasted on you.
:laugh: ;) ;D
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So after all these months waiting for the movie to answer me the questions like "Who is the SJ?" and "Why there is a dead SJ in Alien?" the movie actually don't answer none of these questions?
Great, this was my second most waited movie in this year (first is Batman) now that huge disappointment
meh
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Also i forget something, the chestburster scene is a queen? something like a queen? or its a new Xeno?
This thread is confusing as heck...what are people's opinions on this again?
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 30, 2012, 03:06:45 AM
This thread is confusing as heck...what are people's opinions on this again?
ADJ)(XH!E)("HR*"WRH(!!!!!!!_(£URE_U"_
Mostly.
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on May 30, 2012, 03:05:33 AM
Spoiler
So after all these months waiting for the movie to answer me the questions like "Who is the SJ?" and "Why there is a dead SJ in Alien?" the movie actually don't answer none of these questions?
Great, this was my second most waited movie in this year (first is Batman) now that huge disappointment
meh
The engineers are expleined in the film, and as for the dead Sj in Alien - this isnt a prequel, the story is not about that jockey so it doesnt have to reference it. All this has been said in the tonnes of interviews the cast and the crew have done.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:03:11 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:00:28 AM
Because 'Ash is a goddamn robot' was riveting dialogue...Jesus Christ.
Delivered by Yaphet Kotto, hell yeah. ;)
Ridiculousness. This is cherry picking at its best.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:11:08 AM
Ridiculousness. This is cherry picking at its best.
Bethesda. Request enhancement.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:08:43 AM
ADJ)(XH!E)("HR*"WRH(!!!!!!!_(£URE_U"_
Mostly.
They mostly 'ADJ)(XH!E)("HR*"WRH(!!!!!!!_(£URE_U"_' at night. Mostly.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 30, 2012, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on May 30, 2012, 03:05:33 AM
Spoiler
So after all these months waiting for the movie to answer me the questions like "Who is the SJ?" and "Why there is a dead SJ in Alien?" the movie actually don't answer none of these questions?
Great, this was my second most waited movie in this year (first is Batman) now that huge disappointment
meh
The engineers are expleined in the film, and as for the dead Sj in Alien - this isnt a prequel, the story is not about that jockey so it doesnt have to reference it. All this has been said in the tonnes of interviews the cast and the crew have done.
Actually it does reference it, for those who were paying close attention.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:11:08 AM
Ridiculousness. This is cherry picking at its best.
Pfft. ALIEN has excellent dialogue. As does ALIEN 3. Walter Hill knew what he was doing.
Lindelof is no Hill. Adjust your expectations accordingly--oh, I forgot, you "don't have any" :P
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:08:43 AM
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 30, 2012, 03:06:45 AM
This thread is confusing as heck...what are people's opinions on this again?
ADJ)(XH!E)("HR*"WRH(!!!!!!!_(£URE_U"_
Mostly.
Sounds good.
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 03:12:42 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 30, 2012, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on May 30, 2012, 03:05:33 AM
Spoiler
So after all these months waiting for the movie to answer me the questions like "Who is the SJ?" and "Why there is a dead SJ in Alien?" the movie actually don't answer none of these questions?
Great, this was my second most waited movie in this year (first is Batman) now that huge disappointment
meh
The engineers are expleined in the film, and as for the dead Sj in Alien - this isnt a prequel, the story is not about that jockey so it doesnt have to reference it. All this has been said in the tonnes of interviews the cast and the crew have done.
Actually it does reference it, for those who were paying close attention.
I thought we had to infer what happened, it seemingly wasn't explained directly.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:11:08 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:03:11 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:00:28 AM
Because 'Ash is a goddamn robot' was riveting dialogue...Jesus Christ.
Delivered by Yaphet Kotto, hell yeah. ;)
Ridiculousness. This is cherry picking at its best.
Dude, wut? That line, and every other one delivered by Parker, were perfect for the scenes and for his character.
Just what are you on about, really?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:13:40 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 03:11:08 AM
Ridiculousness. This is cherry picking at its best.
Pfft. ALIEN has excellent dialogue. As does ALIEN 3. Walter Hill knew what he was doing.
Lindelof is no Hill. Adjust your expectations accordingly--oh, I forgot, you "don't have any" :P
Not that Im criticizing Lindelof, I dont know the guys work and havent seen Prometheus yet, but I always said itd be very fitting for Giler and Hill to write it. Those guy embelished the original Alien script, came up with premise for the second and co-wrote the third. Theyve been there from the beginning and all 3 movies are imo excellent.
Btw cvalda, nice Troll 2 sig and avatar, that movie is hilarious ;)
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:18:45 AM
Not that Im criticizing Lindelof, I dont know the guys work and havent seen Prometheus yet, but I always said itd be very fitting for Giler and Hill to write it. Those guy embelished the original Alien script, came up with premise for the second and co-wrote the third. Theyve been there from the beginning and all 3 movies are imo excellent.
Yep. Giler & Hill appearing in name only in the credits is a f**king travesty.
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 30, 2012, 03:15:17 AM
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 03:12:42 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 30, 2012, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on May 30, 2012, 03:05:33 AM
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So after all these months waiting for the movie to answer me the questions like "Who is the SJ?" and "Why there is a dead SJ in Alien?" the movie actually don't answer none of these questions?
Great, this was my second most waited movie in this year (first is Batman) now that huge disappointment
meh
The engineers are expleined in the film, and as for the dead Sj in Alien - this isnt a prequel, the story is not about that jockey so it doesnt have to reference it. All this has been said in the tonnes of interviews the cast and the crew have done.
Actually it does reference it, for those who were paying close attention.
I thought we had to infer what happened, it seemingly wasn't explained directly.
From what have gathered, that is correct. Its heavily implied but not directly explained.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
Spoiler
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi18.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb126%2FDeuterium%2Fmst.jpg&hash=0076cc97af31b094dbaa7f73f7f4b77dd3e492f9)
MITCHELL !!!!!
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/mst.jpg
Hey--what if PROMETHEUS is actually a
stealth parody of the original! LOL, it all makes sense now :'( :'( :P
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/mst.jpg
In Ridley Scott's case it would be a Russel Crowebot.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
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Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/mst.jpg
Spoiler
Well it's kinda hard to draw I admit.
The face was kinda like Alien the difference being that it has no second jaw but a jaw that extend in a very weird way which for unknown reason reminded me of a duck.
The back of the head was a spike instead of a circle / cylinder regular alien style head.
But it was very much in an ADI spirit.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 03:27:09 AM
In Ridley Scott's case it would be a Russel Crowebot.
OpenMaw, you get a gold star today. You are really on a roll :laugh:
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
Dude,
Spoiler
I really don't think you can hold this alien to the same standards. It's going to be totally different. Fail CGI is one thing, but I tossed the rest of your statements out the window. These aren't even the same aliens, I mean please.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:27:52 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/mst.jpg
Spoiler
Well it's kinda hard to draw I admit.
The face was kinda like Alien the difference being that it has no second jaw but a jaw that extend in a very weird way which for unknown reason reminded me of a duck.
The back of the head was a spike instead of a circle / cylinder regular alien style head.
But it was very much in an ADI spirit.
Spoiler
Is it like the thing in the murals from the trailer?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuxAo9.jpg%3F1&hash=f8ed9accb6832577c2109e1e10e3fe48960befbb)
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 03:32:02 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
Dude,
Spoiler
I really don't think you can hold this alien to the same standards. It's going to be totally different. Fail CGI is one thing, but I tossed the rest of your statements out the window. These aren't even the same aliens, I mean please.
Spoiler
Be happy that I haven't reveal what makes this.
Spoiler
You should not read
Spoiler
Stop now!
Spoiler
I mean... It's not like David intentionally contaminate holloway
Spoiler
And then Holloway have sex with Shaw but she feels bad because she can't be preganant
Spoiler
But a miracle, David tell her she's contaminated too and has a baby! And it looks like a white octopus
Spoiler
And the octopus Grow and in the end looks like a GIANT facehugger even bigger than the SJ
Spoiler
The SJ get pregnant and we get... this RAW model of an Alien.
I know, bro. That's one of the parts I'm most excited for, and reading that amps that up a bit. :laugh:
That's f**king perfect, and it's STARBEAST, SON!
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:35:57 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:27:52 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/mst.jpg
Spoiler
Well it's kinda hard to draw I admit.
The face was kinda like Alien the difference being that it has no second jaw but a jaw that extend in a very weird way which for unknown reason reminded me of a duck.
The back of the head was a spike instead of a circle / cylinder regular alien style head.
But it was very much in an ADI spirit.
Spoiler
Is it like the thing in the murals from the trailer?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuxAo9.jpg%3F1&hash=f8ed9accb6832577c2109e1e10e3fe48960befbb)
Double post sorry:
Spoiler
WOW! I had completely forgot about this. I think it shows up during 3 seconds and then it simply disappear. Like a tons of other things in the movie as a green emerald. Non sense mysteries that won't even get answered I guess in Prometheus 2.
And this thing on the wall doesn't looks like anything. You could say an alien because of the long head but... it's like asking if this is representative of a human:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcms.ac-martinique.fr%2Fetablissement%2Frsj%2Fpages%2FB9a.gif&hash=885d9b8c9e46bbbe1a0518980b2aef76d3535234)
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:42:43 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:35:57 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:27:52 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/mst.jpg
Spoiler
Well it's kinda hard to draw I admit.
The face was kinda like Alien the difference being that it has no second jaw but a jaw that extend in a very weird way which for unknown reason reminded me of a duck.
The back of the head was a spike instead of a circle / cylinder regular alien style head.
But it was very much in an ADI spirit.
Spoiler
Is it like the thing in the murals from the trailer?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuxAo9.jpg%3F1&hash=f8ed9accb6832577c2109e1e10e3fe48960befbb)
Double post sorry:
Spoiler
WOW! I had completely forgot about this. I think it shows up during 3 seconds and then it simply disappear. Like a tons of other things in the movie as a green emerald. Non sense mysteries that won't even get answered I guess in Prometheus 2.
And this thing on the wall doesn't looks like anything. You could say an alien because of the long head but... it's like asking if this is representative of a human:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcms.ac-martinique.fr%2Fetablissement%2Frsj%2Fpages%2FB9a.gif&hash=885d9b8c9e46bbbe1a0518980b2aef76d3535234)
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Hmm, so it still doesnt answer if the crown around is accidentally or on purpose looking like Queens crest. Im glad its not the raw alien tho, that means Im still in for a surprise
Le Celticant, can you give your take on why the Jockeys want to wipe us out? Please tell me it's not as dumb as "We turned out too violent or powerful" or somesuch tired cliche crap.
Also Celticant, some said that the implication in the movie is that the Space Jockey in Alien is actually
Spoiler
most likely Shaw.
True?
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:45:28 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:42:43 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:35:57 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:27:52 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
Spoiler
Awful Design?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg232.imageshack.us%2Fimg232%2F7497%2Falienlol.png&hash=d8116675e81dfbff8cb4ddd4aae3826993f80a35)
-Came out of SJ fully mature btw
-Grawl like Chet at the end of AVP and then CUT -> Credit. (You disliked AVP Lifecycle, Prometheus has beat it btw HAHA)
I thought it was Crowe T. Robot, for a second. ;D
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/mst.jpg
Spoiler
Well it's kinda hard to draw I admit.
The face was kinda like Alien the difference being that it has no second jaw but a jaw that extend in a very weird way which for unknown reason reminded me of a duck.
The back of the head was a spike instead of a circle / cylinder regular alien style head.
But it was very much in an ADI spirit.
Spoiler
Is it like the thing in the murals from the trailer?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuxAo9.jpg%3F1&hash=f8ed9accb6832577c2109e1e10e3fe48960befbb)
Double post sorry:
Spoiler
WOW! I had completely forgot about this. I think it shows up during 3 seconds and then it simply disappear. Like a tons of other things in the movie as a green emerald. Non sense mysteries that won't even get answered I guess in Prometheus 2.
And this thing on the wall doesn't looks like anything. You could say an alien because of the long head but... it's like asking if this is representative of a human:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcms.ac-martinique.fr%2Fetablissement%2Frsj%2Fpages%2FB9a.gif&hash=885d9b8c9e46bbbe1a0518980b2aef76d3535234)
Spoiler
Hmm, so it still doesnt answer if the crown around is accidentally or on purpose looking like Queens crest. Im glad its not the raw alien tho, that means Im still in for a surprise
Spoiler
It came from a Giant Facehugger thing
It blows the SJ chest just like an ALIEN
It does looks like an ALIEN that ADI has made in AVP-R with the difference of not having a double jaw and pipes on the back.
And It has been mentionned that the last minutes would connect with ALIEN DNA and that's the whole idea of the scene otherwise they wouldn't bother to show it to us.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:47:53 AM
Le Celticant, can you give your take on why the Jockeys want to wipe us out? Please tell me it's not as dumb as "We turned out too violent or powerful" or somesuch tired cliche crap.
Spoiler
They don't say it. If you really want to be spoiled:
Spoiler
SHAW is leaving with another Derelict ship at the ending to go on the SJ planet because she wants to know why they want to destroy us.
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:49:49 AM
Also Celticant, some said that the implication in the movie is that the Space Jockey in Alien is actually Spoiler
most likely Shaw.
Spoiler
I would BET shaw will be the SJ we see in ALIEN in a future sequel if that's what you wanted to know. Everything in Prometheus is predictable so I guess it is the logical thing to happen
Spoiler
So basically the alien in Prometheus is a Jockeyburster. Thanks for the answers and time Celticant
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:51:24 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:47:53 AM
Le Celticant, can you give your take on why the Jockeys want to wipe us out? Please tell me it's not as dumb as "We turned out too violent or powerful" or somesuch tired cliche crap.
Spoiler
They don't say it. If you really want to be spoiled:
Spoiler
SHAW is leaving with another Derelict ship at the ending to go on the SJ planet because she wants to know why they want to destroy us.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2Ft7cwb9.jpg&hash=b812a6e3e08b60de17090feb59a2ccf49f3e8796)
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:49:49 AM
Also Celticant, some said that the implication in the movie is that the Space Jockey in Alien is actually Spoiler
most likely Shaw.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:51:24 AM
Spoiler
I would BET shaw will be the SJ we see in ALIEN in a future sequel if that's what you wanted to know. Everything in Prometheus is predictable so I guess it is the logical thing to happen
Somewhere, a thousand little kittens just died.
Spoiler
She can't be that Space Jockey in ALIEN because, it died thousand of years before the events in prometheus. CUZ if she is, she ate & got huge & grew and fossilized in 30 years.
Spoiler
I would BET shaw will be the SJ we see in ALIEN in a future sequel if that's what you wanted to know. Everything in Prometheus is predictable so I guess it is the logical thing to happen
Woah, that's just a guess. It can't be, that is so far beyond common sense even a room full of chimps wouldn't put it to paper. Lindelof might though...
Quote from: AsapJockey on May 30, 2012, 03:55:10 AM
Spoiler
She can't be that Space Jockey in ALIEN because, it died thousand of years before the events in prometheus. CUZ if she is, she ate & got huge & grew and fossilized in 30 years.
One of the members here actually gave a good scientific explanation how the Jockey is not really fossilized, thats just a statement Dallas makes, whos not really a scientist
Quote from: AsapJockey on May 30, 2012, 03:55:10 AM
Spoiler
She can't be that Space Jockey in ALIEN because, it died thousand of years before the events in prometheus. CUZ if she is, she ate & got huge & grew and fossilized in 30 years.
Spoiler
And you still think after ALL the glitch alien license has suffer they can't say otherwise again?
Be reasonable, please. John Spaith wrote it, the guy knows so little.
It's getting late... I mean early (05:57) going to bed.
I'll answer your questions in 7 - 8 hours.
Cya
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 30, 2012, 03:56:59 AMQuote from: AsapJockey on May 30, 2012, 03:55:10 AMSpoiler
She can't be that Space Jockey in ALIEN because, it died thousand of years before the events in prometheus. CUZ if she is, she ate & got huge & grew and fossilized in 30 years.
One of the members here actually gave a good scientific explanation how the Jockey is not really fossilized, thats just a statement Dallas makes, whos not really a scientist
It doesn't matter whether Dallas knows what he's talking about or not; that line is in the film to tell us that the SJ is old, so it's old.
ITS HUGE & MAD OLD, no way.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:54:19 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:51:24 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 03:47:53 AM
Le Celticant, can you give your take on why the Jockeys want to wipe us out? Please tell me it's not as dumb as "We turned out too violent or powerful" or somesuch tired cliche crap.
Spoiler
They don't say it. If you really want to be spoiled:
Spoiler
SHAW is leaving with another Derelict ship at the ending to go on the SJ planet because she wants to know why they want to destroy us.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2Ft7cwb9.jpg&hash=b812a6e3e08b60de17090feb59a2ccf49f3e8796)
Come now, you didn't know this?
Hey thanks, Celticant. For better or worse, I appreciate the time and your thoughts.
G'nite Le Celticant. Sorry for you and us your news wasn't better :'(
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 04:01:51 AM
Come now, you didn't know this?
I didn't know there was apparently actually no explanation, which is almost as bad as there being a crappy one. >:(
Can someone please tell me what ADI means?
Its making me scratch my head evry time I read it here
Quote from: orchidal on May 30, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
Can someone please tell me what ADI means?
Its making me scratch my head evry time I read it here
Designers of the alien in Alien 3, Res, AVP and AVPR
Quote from: orchidal on May 30, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
Can someone please tell me what ADI means?
Its making me scratch my head evry time I read it here
The effects company who did the Alien suits for the last several films featuring the creature. They did good in ALIEN 3. Everything after that... went downhill, to be generous.
Quote from: orchidal on May 30, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
Can someone please tell me what ADI means?
Its making me scratch my head evry time I read it here
Amalgamated Dynamics, Inc.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 04:06:35 AM
Quote from: orchidal on May 30, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
Can someone please tell me what ADI means?
Its making me scratch my head evry time I read it here
The effects company who did the Alien suits for the last several films featuring the creature. They did good in ALIEN 3. Everything after that... went downhill, to be generous.
Precisely. Runner is neat, but anything after that is terrible to say the least. They got rid of all the biomech parts, gave alien flesh, muscles and got id of the sexual overtones in the design
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 04:02:59 AM
G'nite Le Celticant. Sorry for you and us your news wasn't better :'(
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 04:01:51 AM
Come now, you didn't know this?
I didn't know there was apparently actually no explanation, which is almost as bad as there being a crappy one. >:(
They're saving it for the sequel.
Spoiler
Dis movie about Weyland, plain and simple. The one jockey is a soldier-type, the ships are bombers, and Shaw and David are the only ones left alive. David can fly the ship... I mean, it's almost not that bad out of sheer necessity for the characters.
They have 2 options, take the ship back to earth and deal with the shitstorm and possible spread of the DNA and annihilation of their species, or say f**k-it-all and head to the Jockey world. Maybe they want to turn the tables, despite how cringe-worthy that prospect is. :laugh:
It could definitely be better, but... I don't know, don't mind it. I actually think it's kind of cool, especially if we're attached to the characters properly by credits.
Almagamated Dynamics and Tom Woodruff's slime fetish....eesh.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 04:09:47 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 04:02:59 AM
G'nite Le Celticant. Sorry for you and us your news wasn't better :'(
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 04:01:51 AM
Come now, you didn't know this?
I didn't know there was apparently actually no explanation, which is almost as bad as there being a crappy one. >:(
They're saving it for the sequel.
Spoiler
Dis movie about Weyland, plain and simple. The one jockey is a soldier-type, the ships are bombers, and Shaw and David are the only ones left alive. David can fly the ship... I mean, it's almost not that bad out of sheer necessity for the characters.
They have 2 options, take the ship back to earth and deal with the shitstorm and possible spread of the DNA and annihilation of their species, or say f**k-it-all and head to the Jockey world. Maybe they want to turn the tables, despite how cringe-worthy that prospect is. :laugh:
It could definitely be better, but... I don't know, don't mind it. I actually think it's kind of cool, especially if we're attached to the characters properly by credits.
RD, that simply is not an excuse. The film has to stand (or fall) on it's own, with no built-in appeal to a possible sequel to answer MAJOR, fundamental questions.
Oh, and its also a company that claimed they did better designs than Giger himself and criticized Winston's as well
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 04:11:28 AM
RD, that simply is not an excuse. The film has to stand (or fall) on it's own, with no built-in appeal to a possible sequel to answer MAJOR, fundamental questions.
Exactly. I hate sequel hooks.
Hate them. I don't even want a sequel to PROMETHEUS. Just give me a great standalone film that I can love all by itself, not a self-conscious wannabe franchise starter.
Ridley smokin another cuban. Cha-ching! $$
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 04:15:02 AM
self-conscious wannabe franchise starter.
That would make a great band name.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 04:20:28 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 04:15:02 AM
self-conscious wannabe franchise starter.
That would make a great band name.
Maybe as a line from a song. (Lyric) ;)
Yeah but what if it says "To Be Continued!"
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbeginningandend.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2FPrometheus_Ridley-scott-directs-Noomi-Rapace.jpg&hash=58ff31ed9192c6a52f679bc25fcca9167d28d7b3)
"We're going to continue it over here, f**kers. Over here."
:'( :laugh: Don't make the pain worse.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 04:27:10 AM
Yeah but what if it says "To Be Continued!"
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbeginningandend.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2FPrometheus_Ridley-scott-directs-Noomi-Rapace.jpg&hash=58ff31ed9192c6a52f679bc25fcca9167d28d7b3)
"We're going to continue it over here, f**kers. Over here."
:'( :laugh: Don't make the pain worse.
Welcome to paradise.
IMDB poster who correlates everything our posters have said here, and even goes into some more detail.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199726352?p=1 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/199726352?p=1)
The final shot is true, folks. :'(
Poster actually liked the film, though he only gave it a 7/10. Says the script and dialogue have major problems, as I expected.
Imagine if Prometheus blew every scifi horror movie out of the water in one round. Everyone would say "pfft Alien, why watch that peice of crap when we have the Prometheus movie, the monsters are scarier and some truly sick $#!^ happens, its too bad they had to kill off all of those amazing creatures and characters just to finish out into tired old alien..."
Its like upstaging the main band or having an appetizer that is so tasty and filling that the main course is underwhelming.
I truly think the graceful way to handle Prometheus really is to make a clear separation between the two series so that they work in concert, not competetion which seems to be Ridleys intention.
Maybe "some things" should be weak or unimpressive because the whole concept is gradually building up into the main course of Alien: A slow evolution over the course of 2-3 movies that simultaniously defines Alien and the separate story of Prometheus in a way that we wont understand until all the peices are in place.
Of course that is spin that would make Fox News proud and If I see a
Spoiler
Xenoduck
im gonna be pissed.
im going to speculate here but, from what i gathered reading this thread. apparently the movie
suffered in the cutting room, possibly forcing it from a true R rated long movie
to a not so long PG-13 movie. then the movie got R rated and it was too late to re-insert those scenes
back again. could someone that saw the movie has that feeling?
Dear end-scene haters:
Spoiler
Original creature designs credited to H.R. Giger.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.filmsite.org%2Ffotos%2Faliens6.jpg&hash=5146c7685ac3c6fc7ce5a6bcd1bb1579164a79cd)
For what it's worth. :laugh:
Dear RagingDragon,
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-_kbX6CSxwm8%2FTkAG2kQ5vnI%2FAAAAAAAAAn0%2FbB6517NBuR8%2Fs1600%2Fpredalien04.jpg&hash=da46d7d35161e13523d79374a1f067e83fe72f77)
For what it's worth.>:D
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 06:13:22 AM
Dear end-scene haters:
Spoiler
Original creature designs credited to H.R. Giger.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.filmsite.org%2Ffotos%2Faliens6.jpg&hash=5146c7685ac3c6fc7ce5a6bcd1bb1579164a79cd)
For what it's worth. :laugh:
Doesn't mean we're
engaged or anything.
Cvalda...
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-hk_AkyloQ8I%2FTdJ68WfjfRI%2FAAAAAAAAA1I%2F1E8L9XspZdA%2Fs1600%2FRipley%2BAlien.PNG&hash=ead5adb4d934ea375fdad2521a5c34e2e78f9d20)
"You biiiiiiitch!"
:laugh: ;)
Seriously, though.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Foqvo8p.jpg&hash=f574e4ffd215e1ee25c2d16f3643cd4e9e6024f0)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 06:32:27 AM
Seriously, though.
Spoiler
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Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontroomcinema.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2FRidley-Scott-001.jpg&hash=b38a0f023a03cc82d58489f701ca7bc6ae8623b0)
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2012%2F04%2F04%2Farticle-2125096-12760090000005DC-298_306x423.jpg&hash=7eec2108c2045a49043fd1413e0febd426819e4e)
Spoiler
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Dragon, are you stealing my shtick, bro?
I didn't realize you had exclusive trolling rights with Light Machine Gun.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 07:12:48 AM
I didn't realize you had exclusive trolling rights with Light Machine Gun.
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I do. Have. Exclusive Trolling Rights. You'll have to make a substantial deposit of DERP into my lulz account.
:laugh: Noted. My secretary is already late at accomplishing this.
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 03:22:10 AM
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Quote from: FUBAR1945 on May 30, 2012, 03:05:33 AM
Spoiler
So after all these months waiting for the movie to answer me the questions like "Who is the SJ?" and "Why there is a dead SJ in Alien?" the movie actually don't answer none of these questions?
Great, this was my second most waited movie in this year (first is Batman) now that huge disappointment
meh
The engineers are expleined in the film, and as for the dead Sj in Alien - this isnt a prequel, the story is not about that jockey so it doesnt have to reference it. All this has been said in the tonnes of interviews the cast and the crew have done.
Actually it does reference it, for those who were paying close attention.
I thought we had to infer what happened, it seemingly wasn't explained directly.
From what have gathered, that is correct. Its heavily implied but not directly explained.
How was it implied? There are no references at all from the spoilers I've read. All we have is the guess that one of the soldiers that escaped could be him.
Quote from: Aceburster on May 30, 2012, 05:10:29 AM
Imagine if Prometheus blew every scifi horror movie out of the water in one round. Everyone would say "pfft Alien, why watch that peice of crap when we have the Prometheus movie, the monsters are scarier and some truly sick $#!^ happens, its too bad they had to kill off all of those amazing creatures and characters just to finish out into tired old alien..."
Its like upstaging the main band or having an appetizer that is so tasty and filling that the main course is underwhelming.
I truly think the graceful way to handle Prometheus really is to make a clear separation between the two series so that they work in concert, not competetion which seems to be Ridleys intention.
Maybe "some things" should be weak or unimpressive because the whole concept is gradually building up into the main course of Alien: A slow evolution over the course of 2-3 movies that simultaniously defines Alien and the separate story of Prometheus in a way that we wont understand until all the peices are in place.
Of course that is spin that would make Fox News proud and If I see a Spoiler
Xenoduck
The straight line between Alien and Prometheus is set already.
In Aline Scott managed to shoot one of the most weird scenes with Gigers Space jockey, only to completely butcher it in prometheus. Ridley scott is only director. The visual successs and the ATMSPHERE that was in Alien are 80% Gigers job. Scott only had to find good way of showing it to the viewer and to tell the story.
Scott is ONLY a director. And director without equally talented people around him is just director you know. Scott says its part of process in making his films, he lets the co-workers bring their ideas. And that is obviously wrong here. No one asked giger if space jockey is bipedal idiot that strangles people. I am fully convinced he didnt mean it like that.
So ok, prometheus is there but by no f**king way will I connect it to alien, there is no reason, It may try to steal some elements from it but it fails horribly.
But hey, in space , no one can hear your whine ;]
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 30, 2012, 03:56:35 AM
Spoiler
I would BET shaw will be the SJ we see in ALIEN in a future sequel if that's what you wanted to know. Everything in Prometheus is predictable so I guess it is the logical thing to happen
Woah, that's just a guess. It can't be, that is so far beyond common sense even a room full of chimps wouldn't put it to paper. Lindelof might though...
Prometheus 2:
Starving Shaw crawls out of SJ pilot seat on her way to SJ home planet. She has not eaten in 100 days. She is also thirsty as f**k.
Shaw: "Hey David gimme coordinates."
David: "We are close to LV-426 Our carbon sensors say there is organic life."
Shaw: "Good I am f**king hungry."
Next scene:
Shaw boiling huge egg.
Next scene:
Shaw talking to David: "meh I go back to the steering telescope the egg was a bit heavy but I am feeling even more hungry than before. Weird, prepare to take off, also my feet feel a bit heavy, like they are fosilizing..."
Im just not getting all this!! why use the derelict design, why have the space jockey etc involved in this film is its not a "direct" prequel. Either it is or its isnt, if its not then Scott has just used these designs to drum up false hope and interest from the Alien fans.
If its not a direct prequel then new different designs and ideas should have been used.
Should this film even be on this forum now?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
The majority of people who have seen the film are praising it and still, the members here bitch and moan. I'm pretty tired of it.
If the majority likes it then it must be good? Right?
Stop being so narrow minded, you say you have no expections? Your'e lying.
You want the film to be good. Like me.
I saw it, i did not liked the final act.
Is that wrong? Am i wrong? No it's MY taste.
One last thing tho.
Those who are not happy how the movie turns out, just go and see it.
THEN you can make your OWN judgment.
I'm just a fan, i said what i tought of it.
Sorry of it don't appeal to some.
As if i wanted the movie to fail...
Really some of you are piece of work.
I don't give a shit about my thories when i was in the theatre i took the movie i was given.
And the end of that movie was lame thats is all.
DEAL WITH IT!!!
Hope some will have the balls to say what they really think whene they see the movie and not be blinded by their wish to be perfect.
I'm a lurker on here and I think NRG01 has reacted in a similar way to how I would have if disappointed.
I've followed the responses on this thread he's made and I think he's done an excellent job with answering questions - certainly I wouldn't have had the patience.
I think typically those who have such high hopes for the film are doing their utmost to deny the fact that the movie (from the sounds of it) is a simple, sadly predicable sci-fi affair that fails to deliver what we've all been hoping for.
Just get real and accept that this is the case. This was exactly the same typical blinkered fanboyism that was so prominant on the Transformers Movie forums before those 3 god-awful films came out.
"IT'S going to be AWESOME" (You really have no idea do you now?)
"I DON'T CARE WHAT THE CRITICS SAY" (You really are delusional then aren't you?)
When the majority of us do get to see it and it turns out better than expected then we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
Go in with low expectations. You never know :)
..also I have to add some of the alternate fan scripts I've read on here over the last few months would have been brilliant :(
Do you hear any of these tracks during the film? If so, what scenes?
www.youtube.com/watch?&v=6gV9gUeFHIw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gV9gUeFHIw#ws)
www.youtube.com/watch?&v=OZbZppVna1Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbZppVna1Q#)
www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HH3ruuml-R4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3ruuml-R4#ws)
im seriously having the same reservations and doubts that i had when i found out anderson was doing AVP..... not good at all.
why o why do they employ f**kwits? i mean look at andersons take on resi evil was enough to know he would balls up AVP... then to get Damon who's writing actually makes no sense whatsoever (just look at Lost) to do this.... what was Ridley thinking..... (oh yeah, i cant answer the questions, so we'll get damon to ramble about stuff and confuse everyone and not make any sense and not actually get anywhere.....)
such a shame if this is a lame duck.
may be good as a film par se..... but im seriously doubting its going to live up to my expectations, especially after waiting 20 - 25 years to find out the answers to who was that big guy in the chair with a hole in his chest....
ho hum....
tomorrow night i guess i will find out.
jezworld,
thanks mate feels good to have someone understanding what i say.
Seriously as if i wanted the movie to fail. I tought i was going to blind myself and say it was awesome since i really wanted it to be anwesome. But no i can't lie to myself like that.
Again i stress that you guys should see the movie and make up your own mind.
I d be really happy for those who end up loving it. I mean it.
I don't want the movie to fail at box office because it would mean no sequel no new scifi ridley Scott movie.
JaaayDee
LOL thanks to you now i can get one the joke of the movie.
Spoiler
At one moment Vickers enters the Bridge room, she think she's alone, but janek suprises her.
They have a discussion about the mission, Janek is playing with a small Accordion, Vickers tells him that it souds like a dying cat Janek answer "Did you know that this belonged to Stephen Stills?" Vickers "am i supposed to know who that is?".
He says she doesnt need to come and court him if she wants to get laid just say it, she says she did not left Earth full of men to get laid at the end of the universe, then he ask her if she's a robot, she's shocked, then brace herself, leave the bridge and says "my room. in ten minutes".
As for the classical tracks, i guess i've heard them when David is alone on the ship.
NGR01 So the snakes thing bleeds acid like aliens right, so they are like proto aliens or something related i guess??
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 09:17:14 AM
jezworld,
thanks mate feels good to have someone understanding what i say.
Seriously as if i wanted the movie to fail. I tought i was going to blind myself and say it was awesome since i really wanted it to be anwesome. But no i can't lie to myself like that.
Again i stress that you guys should see the movie and make up your own mind.
I d be really happy for those who end up loving it. I mean it.
I don't want the movie to fail at box office because it would mean no sequel no new scifi ridley Scott movie.
JaaayDee
LOL thanks to you now i can get one the joke of the movie.
Spoiler
At one moment Vickers enters the Bridge room, she think she's alone, but janek suprises her.
They have a discussion about the mission, Janek is playing with a small Accordion, Vickers tells him that it souds like a dying cat Janek answer "Did you know that this belonged to Stephen Stills?" Vickers "am i supposed to know who that is?".
He says she doesnt need to come and court him if she wants to get laid just say it, she says she did not left Earth full of men to get laid at the end of the universe, then he ask her if she's a robot, she's shocked, then brace herself, leave the bridge and says "my room. in ten minutes".
As for the classical tracks, i guess i've heard them when David is alone on the ship.
So Janek and Vickers get jiggy? lol
Spoiler
Yep but you don't get to see anything ;)
The scene ends up with Janek kinda smilling singing "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with".
Quote from: bleau on May 30, 2012, 09:22:39 AM
NGR01 So the snakes thing bleeds acid like aliens right, so they are like proto aliens or something related i guess??
Spoiler
Yes the snake bleeds acid when Fifield tries to cut it.
No not a proto xeno.
Their purpose is to show that simple worms brought by the ship when in contact with the black goo mutates into those cobralien. This is to show the effect the black goo has. One thing i don't get is that it seems to make one being mutate and it's also used by the sacrificial Engineer to disintagrate himself to seed Earth with life.
The Juggernaut has a full cargo of those urns when he takes off for Earth, what was the point? Make us mutate into monsters that gave birth to other monsters or just disintagrate us.
Just saw It. Disappointed. Really. I don't have the time to talk about iut right now cause I got to go to work but I'm really disappointed with the film. >:(
Just one thing for now.
Spoiler
The Jockey Xeno: So ugly. We just see it for 3 seconds at the end but It looks like a really shitty Tatopoulos design. Total fail. :'( >:( >:(
Oh dear :(
:'( :'( :'(
Quote from: jezworld on May 30, 2012, 11:42:17 AM
Oh dear :(
:'( :'( :'(
I am starting to get worried. Really.
I've been looking in on this site for more than a year , looking forward to the film. I keep faith that I will enjoy the experience overall but things like creature design and the nature of the Engineers look like they will fall way short of what I was expecting.
I would trade a very good film for just a decent one if it meant a brilliant ending link to Alien , IE the xeno at the end.If this thing really does look like a spike headed duckhorse as described then I'm going to get horribly drunk for a week to ease the pain..................
So I guess I should prepare for epic suck then. I don't have the energy to get into this...
Quote from: Vickers on May 30, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
So I guess I should prepare for epic suck then. I don't have the energy to get into this...
Enter the cinema without any expectation, I will do. Just enjoy the visuals.
I wont be so harsh on the proto/new xeno design.
Spoiler
He's still a baby, i would wait to see it fully grown before saying it suck.
Btw it has no tail.
What was lame to me really, is why does Scott felt he needed to put that xeno there in the last minutes????
He says he's not interested into doing an ALIEN prequel, that the design is used, he need something new.
And he's show us the birth of xeno screaming at the audience to end up his new opus.
Why?
Thats is supposed to be original????
OK while i was typing this i tought i should look back at the mural near the altar in the head room.
Spoiler
And guess what???? This is actually the xeno that appears in the end.
Here is a quick mockup of what he looks like at birth.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg834.imageshack.us%2Fimg834%2F703%2Fuxao9.jpg&hash=5c6497365cd495d6d07a1a4bd5a66a2d8580270e)
So basically that creature is not new to the Engineers, they worship it, and what happened is that 2000 years ago they got loose in the Engineer Base and infected everyone.
This the xeno in its pure form.
So... from all the evidence to date plus this...
Spoiler
It really screams of 'reboot' doesn't it now.
This is all very sad.
Sounds like they cared more about visuals then story. I partly blame the fanboys; if someone analysed the posts on here from the day Prometheus was first announced the general conclusion would be is that we cared more about visuals then the story. So I'm not surprised the studio invests more into that.
For both Predator and Alien franchise - story is the most important. Don't give a shit if the SJ is too small, if the Alien design is respectful to Giger, or if the Predator has correct dreadlocks and other petty bullshit we seem to constantly argue about. Non of it matters if the story is crap.
Alien, Aliens and Predator were simple stories. Robert Rodriguez got it right with Predators, he kept it simple and produced a film that is a worthy companion piece. I expected better from Alien (my fav out of both franchises) and Ridley Scott BUT they tried to be too clever or at least too clever with inept writers like Lindeloff. What we ended up with is a visually stunning toilet of a film.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 30, 2012, 12:02:36 PM
This is all very sad.
Sounds like they cared more about visuals then story. I partly blame the fanboys; if someone analysed the posts on here from the day Prometheus was first announced the general conclusion would be is that we cared more about visuals then the story. So I'm not surprised the studio invests more into that.
For both Predator and Alien franchise - story is the most important. Don't give a shit if the SJ is too small, if the Alien design is respectful to Giger, or if the Predator has correct dreadlocks and other petty bullshit we seem to constantly argue about. Non of it matters if the story is crap.
Alien, Aliens and Predator were simple stories. Robert Rodriguez got it right with Predators, he kept it simple and produced a film that is a worthy companion piece. I expected better from Alien (my fav out of both franchises) and Ridley Scott BUT they tried to be too clever or at least too clever with inept writers like Lindeloff. What we ended up with is a visually stunning toilet of a film.
I disagree with blaming the fanboys. The majority of us were concerned about how the story would be treated. Discussing the CGI and visual aspects doesn't mean we don't also care about the story - that's the reason for separate threads.
But I couldn't agree with you more on everything else. I was afraid Lindelof was going to go the Lost route with this. And this is what happens when you a legendary director gets a big budget and all the latest technology to work with. The film oozes with style while the story is left sobbing in the corner begging for meat.
The key to a film like this is realising what worked in films like Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 and then taking those elements and adapting them to a new story. And then sticking to a few ideas rather than a thousand ideas and a dozen different creatures in a 2 hour film. Once concepts become oversaturated with ideas, characters feel like cardboard cutouts, the story feels tacked on and the film feels like a 2 hour long display of cool visuals with some standard music and dialogue to accompany it.
I'll hold my real opinion in till tomorrow night when I see it... but it seems to me that what started out as some poor French reviews has turned into a consensus (thus far) that the movie is actually a good sci/fi movie (if not a scary horror movie)... which puts me in a better place than this time yesterday. It seems that the biggest criticism (reading between the lines) is that it is not a truly self-contained/standalone movie... whilst not being a bonafide Alien prequel, and ends up being torn between the two - which is something I think a lot of us here were expecting anyway. If that's the worst thing that can be levelled at it, I'll take that.
As I say, I'll try and keep my expectations in check till tomorrow.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 30, 2012, 12:02:36 PM
This is all very sad.
Sounds like they cared more about visuals then story.
Ridley Scott has always cared more about the visuals - that's why he's such a visually brilliant director... be that
Alien or
Blade Runner. It is, afterall, a visual medium.
A consensus of 5 or 6 forum users? Really? That's a consensus?
Seriously, I did not know know who this Lindelof bloke is at first. I don't watch LOST as I only watch documentary channels on cable.
But, apparently, based on many fans thoughts, this guy has caused serious shit. Is he that bad?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 12:15:30 PM
A consensus of 5 or 6 forum users? Really? That's a consensus?
I believe there has been a tad more than 5 or 6 reviews of this movie since yesterday. Enough to predict a trend/pattern anyway (if one wants to predict a trend/pattern for audience/critic reaction that is).
I think its even simpler than this.
Just don't write a sucky story.
It's amazing, after reading so many of the proposed storylines and fake scripts leaked on the web over the last year, they were ALL more interesting and potentially enjoyable than this mainstream effort.
The writing panel/critique involved in assessing the script must have been drunk at the time. Or asleep. Or both.
In terms of the 3d and FX (sigh) it wont help you polish a turd.
Has anyone actually looked at the reviews thread??? The positives outnumber the negatives handily. So what's this consensus? People are swayed so goddamn easily.
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 30, 2012, 12:17:01 PM
Seriously, I did not know know who this Lindelof bloke is at first. I don't watch LOST as I only watch documentary channels on cable.
But, apparently, based on many fans thoughts, this guy has caused serious shit. Is he that bad?
His a rat. Whenever he says that his stories "leave you with more question" don't take it as a good thing. It means his done a hack jobs and there are more holes than a golf course.
Wow...I guess there is no more room for the voice of reason. The movie sucks, Lindelof is awful. Case closed.
Peace.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 12:19:46 PM
Has anyone actually looked at the reviews thread??? The positives outnumber the negatives handily. So what's this consensus? People are swayed so goddamn easily.
I'm not sure what you're arguing... from the reviews thus far it seems that the vast majority think it's ok - good. That's the consensus I refer to i.e. it's an "ok- good" movie.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 12:19:46 PM
Has anyone actually looked at the reviews thread??? The positives outnumber the negatives handily. So what's this consensus? People are swayed so goddamn easily.
I'm sure it's a good movie.
I honestly have lost hope for it being a great movie though.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 12:26:37 PM
Wow...I guess there is no more room for the voice of reason. The movie sucks, Lindelof is awful. Case closed.
Peace.
I heard so much bad vibe about Lindelof. That's why I ask,mate.
Just being curious. Nothing to do with flaming Prometheus.
this is pathetic......Fox is showing 4 more spoiler clips.........man they are desperate.
this is sad....... jajajaja
Quote from: Bayo on May 30, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
this is pathetic......Fox is showing 4 more spoiler clips.........man they are desperate.
this is sad....... jajajaja
Reflex action,you mean?
Not sad at all. Clips always get released just before a movie. Its sad they showed too much in the trailers.
I know how it's been said Lindelof didn't change things much, but I just had a terrifying thought, more terrifying than ALIEN itself. What if one day we finally get to see Jon Spaihts' final draught for Prometheus and <<gulp>>... we loved it!!!
Now wouldn't that be a trajedy! :'(
NGR01 quick question i forgot to ask
Spoiler
When Shaw leaves in the fresh juggernaut at the end, does it show her getting into the chair? does a suit form around her?
Fox releasing clips is normal.
What is not it's that they just don't give a shit to spoil stuff to get joe shmoe into theatres.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 30, 2012, 01:18:30 PM
I know how it's been said Lindelof didn't change things much, but I just had a terrifying thought, more terrtifying than ALIEN itself. What if one day we finally get to see Jon Spaihts' final draught for Prometheus and <<gulp>>... we loved it!!!
Now wouldn't that be a trajedy! :'(
Well at least i can read it on paper.
I d be happy ^^
If it reaveals to be good.
That whole xeno angle kinda make me see the movie in another light.
Can't wait to see the full cut now.
I'm starting to make peace with the movie.
I might even like it the next time i see it LOL
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 30, 2012, 01:21:12 PM
NGR01 quick question i forgot to ask
Spoiler
When Shaw leaves in the fresh juggernaut at the end, does it show her getting into the chair? does a suit form around her?
Spoiler
The SJ dies inside Vickers escape pods. David is in the juggernaut and call Noomi sayin there are many other juggernaut ship and that he can help her to pilot it. Shaw goes back into the juggernaut to take david and she asks her to go to the SJ planet. You've got the exact same ending as in Alien "Here is Shaw, last survivor of the Prometheus. If you receive this message, don't try to track me or even investigate the ruins, there's only death here and I'm leaving death behind me. End of transmission".
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 30, 2012, 01:18:30 PM
I know how it's been said Lindelof didn't change things much, but I just had a terrifying thought, more terrifying than ALIEN itself. What if one day we finally get to see Jon Spaihts' final draught for Prometheus and <<gulp>>... we loved it!!!
Now wouldn't that be a trajedy! :'(
The scary thing is, we may get to see it once the movie is released worldwide.
gulp.... :-[
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 30, 2012, 01:21:12 PM
NGR01 quick question i forgot to ask
Spoiler
When Shaw leaves in the fresh juggernaut at the end, does it show her getting into the chair? does a suit form around her?
Spoiler
No, an horizon shot with a new juggernaut taking off and Shaw's voice over "blah blah last survivor of the Prometheus"
Spoiler
And she sends that radiomessage from.. the juggernaught?
Hi I've just watched it and agree with the OP on many of his points.
Unfortunate fact that there were script rewrites makes a lot of sense. Major spoiler about ending tagged below, beware.
Spoiler
The giant squid sucked so much, when Noomi goes back to the escape pod that was the first bit of the movie where I thought, wow this is going to be an intense alien like ending, my hopes were dashed after about 1.5 minutes of suspense, the Xeon that pops out of the engineer at the end is a complete abomination it was some kind of inner mouth that it pops out just to say "hey I'm an xeno, but I look kind of lame so I thought I'd pop this inner jaw out just so you know"
I dnt get it... The squid looks awesome in the trailers..
so you tell me Scott got sucked in by big budget Hollywood too just like Fincher and Cameron?
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for
Spoiler
Big squid monsters
Spoiler
Does Shaw shout "Release the Kraken!" when she opens the med bay door to let the squid monster out?.
I had a very strong feeling this movie could be treated as the next Alien Resurrection.
Whats with the hate for the Xenomorph/Human hybrid the Newborn?.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:13:45 PM
I had a very strong feeling this movie could be treated as the next Alien Resurrection.
Whats with the hate for the Xenomorph/Human hybrid the Newborn?.
Mastermoon i swear at least half of your posts mention Alien Ressurection in them lol, do you love the film or absolutely hate it?.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:13:45 PM
I had a very strong feeling this movie could be treated as the next Alien Resurrection.
Whats with the hate for the Xenomorph/Human hybrid the Newborn?.
Why do you keep bringing this up ?
My reason of bringing it up its' because this topic is giving me that Alien Resurrection review vibe.
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for Spoiler
Big squid monsters
The biggest mistake they done was to ignore Giger. He should have been involved in every aspect of the alien civilisation and monsters
Quote from: zuzuki on May 30, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for Spoiler
Big squid monsters
The biggest mistake they done was to ignore Giger. He should have been involved in every aspect of the alien civilisation and monsters
I know this is reaching a bit but i honestly think that the film was supposed to be PG13 at the start and thats why we have no Giger 'penis and vagina' style stuff and why they changed the walls from bones and stuff into just squares and blocks, i see no other logical reason to start changing stuff like that.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
My reason of bringing it up its' because this topic is giving me that Alien Resurrection review vibe.
Nothing more to it ?
"In Aline Scott managed to shoot one of the most weird scenes with Gigers Space jockey, only to completely butcher it in prometheus. Ridley scott is only director. The visual successs and the ATMSPHERE that was in Alien are 80% Gigers job. Scott only had to find good way of showing it to the viewer and to tell the story. "
Sorry but iv read a lot of stupid things on this forum but this takes the biscuit! The l success of Alien was completely down to Ridley Scott. He was the one who doubled its budget meaning that instead of a B movie it was made to the standard of a Hollywood film. Givers design were crucial to the look of the film but the way RS presented them made them much more effective. In your post you are giving zero praise for what he created in 79, he's the reason we are all here and your saying that he had nothing to do with the success of the franchise. His film has been bastardised beyond recognition, so in reference to Prometheus, it's his franchise not ours and he can do what ever he wants with it. We're just here to see what he comes up with
Quote from: zuzuki on May 30, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for Spoiler
Big squid monsters
The biggest mistake they done was to ignore Giger. He should have been involved in every aspect of the alien civilisation and monsters
Clearly.
But from i've gathered he's burnt out.
The stuff he doodled for Scott was lame people said.
Scott should have done like he did with the temple design that he borrowed from the unshooted DUNE movie.
Take old Giger's design, rework them just a bit and uses them.
It's not like there is no others great creatures in Giger's books.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 30, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for Spoiler
Big squid monsters
The biggest mistake they done was to ignore Giger. He should have been involved in every aspect of the alien civilisation and monsters
Clearly.
But from i've gathered he's burnt out.
The stuff he doodled for Scott was lame people said.
Scott should have done like he did with the temple design that he borrowed from the unshooted DUNE movie.
Take old Giger's design, rework them just a bit and uses them.
It's not like there is no others great creatures in Giger's books.
This film having a crap story has nothing to do with Giger being on board or not.
Giger could have designed everything thing in the film, LIndeloff story would still be shit.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 30, 2012, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 30, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for Spoiler
Big squid monsters
The biggest mistake they done was to ignore Giger. He should have been involved in every aspect of the alien civilisation and monsters
Clearly.
But from i've gathered he's burnt out.
The stuff he doodled for Scott was lame people said.
Scott should have done like he did with the temple design that he borrowed from the unshooted DUNE movie.
Take old Giger's design, rework them just a bit and uses them.
It's not like there is no others great creatures in Giger's books.
This film having a crap story has nothing to do with Giger being on board or not.
Giger could have designed everything thing in the film, LIndeloff story would still be shit.
Try to find me a story into 2001: A Space Odyssey.
It's only a Visual interpretation.
You go see an image when you go in theater, you don't read a book.
Though I agree, it's not Giger who would have helped alone.
BUT I think it would have add a bit more... depth, weirdness, horror (which were totally lacking btw).
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 30, 2012, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 30, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for Spoiler
Big squid monsters
The biggest mistake they done was to ignore Giger. He should have been involved in every aspect of the alien civilisation and monsters
Clearly.
But from i've gathered he's burnt out.
The stuff he doodled for Scott was lame people said.
Scott should have done like he did with the temple design that he borrowed from the unshooted DUNE movie.
Take old Giger's design, rework them just a bit and uses them.
It's not like there is no others great creatures in Giger's books.
This film having a crap story has nothing to do with Giger being on board or not.
Giger could have designed everything thing in the film, LIndeloff story would still be shit.
Try to find me a story into 2001: A Space Odyssey.
It's only a Visual interpretation.
You go see an image when you go in theater, you don't read a book.
Though I agree, it's not Giger who would have helped alone.
BUT I think it would have add a bit more... depth, weirdness, horror (which were totally lacking btw).
The film without Giger is being applauded for being visually stunning. If Giger was on board, he would enhance this BUT he will not change the story/script from being a crappy one to a good one.
What surprises me is how dull and unoriginal the story is. The last scene is a complete joke. I think the only reason this film is getting any praise is because Scott salvages the mess created by Lindeloff with his visual flair. Scott my have been involved in the script write up but I can forgive him more then the cock.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:05:01 PM
Try to find me a story into 2001: A Space Odyssey.
It's only a Visual interpretation.
You go see an image when you go in theater, you don't read a book.
Though I agree, it's not Giger who would have helped alone.
BUT I think it would have add a bit more... depth, weirdness, horror (which were totally lacking btw).
There is a powerful story in 2001 this is not just visual stuff.
Maybe you didnt get it but it's there.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:05:01 PM
Try to find me a story into 2001: A Space Odyssey.
It's only a Visual interpretation.
You go see an image when you go in theater, you don't read a book.
Though I agree, it's not Giger who would have helped alone.
BUT I think it would have add a bit more... depth, weirdness, horror (which were totally lacking btw).
There is a powerful story in 2001 this is not just visual stuff.
Maybe you didnt get it but it's there.
Everything is sent through the Visual.
The story play its part but the Visual is really what made this film what it is.
Give the story to any other director and it would have failed.
It is Stanley Kubrick after all.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 30, 2012, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on May 30, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Some of you people are acting like it's Alien Resurrection again ::), saying stuff like "New Octopuss Alien creature at the end of the movie is very bad" or "This Movie is a let down".
I had a feeling members of this forum would treat it like Alien Resurrection .
Believe me I wanted to love this movie, hell I travelled to France to see it, it's not a bad movie as I said in my review, but I kind of wish it was stand alone now as I feel it would have been better and more enjoyable that way. When you have the god of biomechanics on set where really is no excuse for Spoiler
Big squid monsters
The biggest mistake they done was to ignore Giger. He should have been involved in every aspect of the alien civilisation and monsters
Clearly.
But from i've gathered he's burnt out.
The stuff he doodled for Scott was lame people said.
Scott should have done like he did with the temple design that he borrowed from the unshooted DUNE movie.
Take old Giger's design, rework them just a bit and uses them.
It's not like there is no others great creatures in Giger's books.
This film having a crap story has nothing to do with Giger being on board or not.
Giger could have designed everything thing in the film, LIndeloff story would still be shit.
Was i talking about the story?
I was talking about the proto/pure xeno design.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 12:26:37 PM
Wow...I guess there is no more room for the voice of reason.
LOL. Come down off your cross, Bethesda.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:43:58 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 03:05:01 PM
Try to find me a story into 2001: A Space Odyssey.
It's only a Visual interpretation.
You go see an image when you go in theater, you don't read a book.
Though I agree, it's not Giger who would have helped alone.
BUT I think it would have add a bit more... depth, weirdness, horror (which were totally lacking btw).
There is a powerful story in 2001 this is not just visual stuff.
Maybe you didnt get it but it's there.
Everything is sent through the Visual.
The story play its part but the Visual is really what made this film what it is.
Give the story to any other director and it would have failed.
It is Stanley Kubrick after all.
Agreed but you said "try to find me a story in 2001.
I can. As for Kubrick he was a master at his work but lets not forget the imput of the people who actually came up with the visuals. Like Douglas Trumbull for exemple.
NGR01!
First of all - thanks for your patience with us ;D
I don't think anyone else has asked this yet but...
Is hammerpede really the name of the cobra-alien? If so do they explain why they're calling a thing with no legs "Hammer-legs"?
Quote from: panicroommate on May 30, 2012, 04:48:53 PM
NGR01!
First of all - thanks for your patience with us ;D
I don't think anyone else has asked this yet but...
Is hammerpede really the name of the cobra-alien? If so do they explain why they're calling a thing with no legs "Hammer-legs"?
Spoiler
Those are born from Worms who swim into the black liquid.
The characters doesn't know it and we only see them in one scene.
No name and the only purpose they serve is to kill a couple of characters.
I know this is reaching a bit but i honestly think that the film was supposed to be PG13 at the start and thats why we have no Giger 'penis and vagina' style stuff and why they changed the walls from bones and stuff into just squares and blocks, i see no other logical reason to start changing stuff like that.
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Don't know if this has been confirmed or not, but wasn't the story that Giger didn't do this kind of art anymore?
That is not their only purpose.
Spoiler
They show you that the black goo makes lifeforms mutates.
What is weird is that the black goo the sacrifice engineer uses disintagrate him...
So what was the real mission of the Juggernaut with Earth?
Mutate everybody, give birth to more squids, hence more Xenos?
So we were cattle?
btw You're welcome panicroommate ;)
Quote from: DestinyCapt on May 30, 2012, 04:55:07 PM
I know this is reaching a bit but i honestly think that the film was supposed to be PG13 at the start and thats why we have no Giger 'penis and vagina' style stuff and why they changed the walls from bones and stuff into just squares and blocks, i see no other logical reason to start changing stuff like that.
Don't know if this has been confirmed or not, but wasn't the story that Giger didn't do this kind of art anymore?
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For ALIEN, fox was not really aware of all the sexual designs connotations.
But they let it slide.
NO WAY they were going to let it slide this time.
I said it like month ago when i knew Giger was not on board and saw the first images of the new pilot room.
I was mocked ^^
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
That is not their only purpose.
Spoiler
They show you that the black goo makes lifeforms mutates.
What is weird is that the black goo the sacrifice engineer uses disintagrate him...
So what was the real mission of the Juggernaut with Earth?
Mutate everybody, give birth to more squids, hence more Xenos?
So we were cattle?
btw You're welcome panicroommate ;)
Spoiler
Just like the SJ at the beginning shows it or like David even shows it by contaminating holloway with the black liquid.
They re-harsh the same themes and questions during the entire movie.
For me the Worms thing was just a way to get rid of a few characters.
Was everyone really expecting it to be like the Dark Horse comic "Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels".
Wish's cannot always come true.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
Was everyone really expecting it to be like the Dark Horse comic "Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels".
Wish's cannot always come true.
Never read it. Is it good?
I'm not really in love with every comic born from Alien / Predator.
Regarding the snake thing
Spoiler
It goes in someone's mouth and when they find it something dives out his eye, the scene us very confusing as fast and never mentioned before but I don't know ifvitsvthe same snake.. Also they have acid for blood and grow back when cut
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
That is not their only purpose.
Spoiler
They show you that the black goo makes lifeforms mutates.
What is weird is that the black goo the sacrifice engineer uses disintagrate him...
So what was the real mission of the Juggernaut with Earth?
Mutate everybody, give birth to more squids, hence more Xenos?
So we were cattle?
btw You're welcome panicroommate ;)
Spoiler
Just like the SJ at the beginning shows it or like David even shows it by contaminating holloway with the black liquid.
They re-harsh the same themes and questions during the entire movie.
For me the Worms thing was just a way to get rid of a few characters.
Spoiler
I'm sorry but the Engineer at the beggining don't mutates.
He disintagrate himself. Not the same thing at all.
Same thing happens to the Engineer's head.
This clearly a different thing.
The wormalien attack is there to show us the danger of this place.
The Holloway infection is there to show Weyland motives, persona.
And of course create intimate drama that put the heroine in the middle of it all.
This is not done the best way possible but thats works.
The real problems are more deep.
Characterization sucks, stuff leads to nowhere, stuff are forgotten then reintroduced when needed.
It's lazy easy writing but there was a good film there.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 05:06:21 PM
Never read it. Is it good?
I love it.
Almost like
At the Mountains of Madness,
Alien styled. One of the best comics in the Alien EU.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
That is not their only purpose.
Spoiler
They show you that the black goo makes lifeforms mutates.
What is weird is that the black goo the sacrifice engineer uses disintagrate him...
So what was the real mission of the Juggernaut with Earth?
Mutate everybody, give birth to more squids, hence more Xenos?
So we were cattle?
btw You're welcome panicroommate ;)
Spoiler
Just like the SJ at the beginning shows it or like David even shows it by contaminating holloway with the black liquid.
They re-harsh the same themes and questions during the entire movie.
For me the Worms thing was just a way to get rid of a few characters.
Spoiler
I'm sorry but the Engineer at the beggining don't mutates.
He disintagrate himself. Not the same thing at all.
Same thing happens to the Engineer's head.
This clearly a different thing.
The wormalien attack is there to show us the danger of this place.
The Holloway infection is there to show Weyland motives, persona.
And of course create intimate drama that put the heroine in the middle of it all.
This is not done the best way possible but thats works.
The real problems are more deep.
Characterization sucks, stuff leads to nowhere, stuff are forgotten then reintroduced when needed.
It's lazy easy writing but there was a good film there.
Spoiler
The THEME is: You need to destroy life if you want to create some.
The SJ kill himself to give birth to life.
Nothing tell us that the worms are still alive and they are probably very much dead. The black goo just find a way to then interact with the DNA of the worms or whatever ideas you wanna invent. I'm not here to discuss this but nothing states clearly: Mutation.
The SJ head is kinda a total different topic. I don't want to theorize on it, it just looks stupid IN MY OPINION.
It for sure shows the danger. Just like chet show how he's the danger in AVP-R.
But since this affect characters I don't really gives a shit because they said like 6 - 7 lines and had a 2 mins screentime and were mostly moron it simply made me react like "oh! finally".
ALIEN made me feel the danger much before the Facehugger scene.
And what was Weyland motive persona then if it's not to acquire immortality (and how could that help?)
For me it didn't work, this was lazy, cliché, and as every slasher happens in a total random way that trigger a chain of unthinkable events that serves no real purpose apart getting a rid of some characters.
My opinion, you won't change it. :D
For me Admitting Prometheus is a good film would make me admit that both AVP are too.
And I can't.
What I want to know is what the business with the worms is anyway? The explanations make no sense. The crew brought them with them--what?
On a few years everybody who is saying the movie isn't good,will say it's a true cult :P
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
That is not their only purpose.
Spoiler
They show you that the black goo makes lifeforms mutates.
What is weird is that the black goo the sacrifice engineer uses disintagrate him...
So what was the real mission of the Juggernaut with Earth?
Mutate everybody, give birth to more squids, hence more Xenos?
So we were cattle?
btw You're welcome panicroommate ;)
Spoiler
Just like the SJ at the beginning shows it or like David even shows it by contaminating holloway with the black liquid.
They re-harsh the same themes and questions during the entire movie.
For me the Worms thing was just a way to get rid of a few characters.
Spoiler
I'm sorry but the Engineer at the beggining don't mutates.
He disintagrate himself. Not the same thing at all.
Same thing happens to the Engineer's head.
This clearly a different thing.
The wormalien attack is there to show us the danger of this place.
The Holloway infection is there to show Weyland motives, persona.
And of course create intimate drama that put the heroine in the middle of it all.
This is not done the best way possible but thats works.
The real problems are more deep.
Characterization sucks, stuff leads to nowhere, stuff are forgotten then reintroduced when needed.
It's lazy easy writing but there was a good film there.
Spoiler
The THEME is: You need to destroy life if you want to create some.
The SJ kill himself to give birth to life.
Nothing tell us that the worms are still alive and they are probably very much dead. The black goo just find a way to then interact with the DNA of the worms or whatever ideas you wanna invent. I'm not here to discuss this but nothing states clearly: Mutation.
The SJ head is kinda a total different topic. I don't want to theorize on it, it just looks stupid IN MY OPINION.
It for sure shows the danger. Just like chet show how he's the danger in AVP-R.
But since this affect characters I don't really gives a shit because they said like 6 - 7 lines and had a 2 mins screentime and were mostly moron it simply made me react like "oh! finally".
ALIEN made me feel the danger much before the Facehugger scene.
And what was Weyland motive persona then if it's not to acquire immortality (and how could that help?)
For me it didn't work, this was lazy, cliché, and as every slasher happens in a total random way that trigger a chain of unthinkable events that serves no real purpose apart getting a rid of some characters.
My opinion, you won't change it. :D
For me Admitting Prometheus is a good film would make me admit that both AVP are too.
And I can't.
Nobody is trying to make you change your opinion.
If you're not even interested to discuss things (like the fact that the head and sacrifice Engineer clearly disintagrates but that worms, Fifield, Holloway mutates) then i don't see the point of repeating ad nauseum your griefs against the movie.
I have no interest in just dissing the movie.
I want to discuss what i think is relevant in the movie.
Because like i said it's flawed but there is something there.
You don't and i'm ok with that.
But if you just wanna say :
"THIS IS SHIT THIS IS SHIT THIS IS SHIT I'M NOT HEARING WHAT YOU SAYYYYYYY".
Fine by me but please just create you own thread or stick to the fan review thread.
I did not made this one to just vent or piss on the movie.
THAT is boring.
Thanks :) :)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
What I want to know is what the business with the worms is anyway? The explanations make no sense. The crew brought them with them--what?
Yeah, I have to wonder if people were really paying attention, or if the film is honestly
that confused.Quote from: Morpheus on May 30, 2012, 05:36:25 PM
On a few years everybody who is saying the movie isn't good,will say it's a true cult :P
Yeah... That basically means a few but very passionate number of people like something. A cult following is a small following. That wouldn't exactly change the way it's regarded by the mainstream. :)
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 05:48:47 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
What I want to know is what the business with the worms is anyway? The explanations make no sense. The crew brought them with them--what?
Yeah, I have to wonder if people were really paying attention, or if the film is honestly that confused.
Seems clear to me.
The ampule room was sealed 2000 years ago when the outbreak happened.
There is no worms or anything alive inside,the engineer head was kept intact because of that.
Then the human enter, theres a shot on some boots, you see worms.
Then they realize that the air they brought in is destroying the murals and making the urns leak.
Again clear to me they brought the worms with them.
Wrap your answers in SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Spoiler
what worms? The ones david shines his flash light at in the trailers?
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 06:01:00 PM
Seems clear to me.
The ampule room was sealed 2000 years ago when the outbreak happened.
There is no worms or anything alive inside,the engineer head was kept intact because of that.
Then the human enter, theres a shot on some boots, you see worms.
Then they realize that the air they brought in is destroying the murals and making the urns leak.
Again clear to me they brought the worms with them.
That's just dumb.
Really dumb.
And Bethesda, if you don't want spoilers, stay out of the thread marked SPOILERS in all caps in the title. ::) :P
Like someone said before the big SPOILERS written on the thread title should be sufficient ;)
This the ampule room dont enter if you wanna be safe ;)
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 06:03:19 PM
Spoiler
what worms? The ones david shines his flash light at in the trailers?
These are not worms.
It just seems that the goo give life to the urn top lid...
We are talking actual worms.
Where do they come from?
Earth or from outside the ampule room?
Who knows.
I don't find the idea dumb, just badly executed.
Why does Milburn play with the cobrahugger? Is he just stupid or what?
Thanks NGR
I guess he's curious.
What is funny is Filfield the guys that knows SHIT about science tell the scientist to be careful.
I mean common... cliché.
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 06:11:53 PM
Why does Milburn play with the cobrahugger? Is he just stupid or what?
Thanks NGR
I'll go with stupid.
It could have worked if he was high like Fifield (remember that he got ganja in his suit filter).
But no he's just stupid, goofy.
Another thing that is stupid about these 2, not only that they get lost when we have seen moments earlier that Fifield has the orb scan map on his arm screen, but they go to stay in the place where they were too affraid to enter with the rest of the crew before.
COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!
God seeing this film contrasted with AvP:R is laughable. That looks like it's just happening out of spite.
You could say the same about Brett leaving on his own, or even Dallas going into the vents. I've read plenty of opinions that state those scenes made the movie more of a slasher-type film where the characters don't necessarily make the best decisions.
Kind of excusable. Stupid, but excusable. Sounds like the hammerpedes are still a mystery.
Did anyone pay attention to anything? :laugh: Not dissing your posts NGR, you're pouring everything out for us and I appreciate that. Plus it's hard to catch everything on your first and only viewing, especially with a film like this.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 06:30:30 PM
God seeing this film contrasted with AvP:R is laughable. That looks like it's just happening out of spite.
You could say the same about Brett leaving on his own, or even Dallas going into the vents. I've read plenty of opinions that state those scenes made the movie more of a slasher-type film where the characters don't necessarily make the best decisions.
Probably but you don't see them butchered.
And it's only happening in a few occasion and that doesn't shock much.
While a guy holding THE only map who can loose himself and all the other doesn't... sorry, I mean why not after all.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 06:12:01 PM
I don't find the idea dumb, just badly executed.
NGR01,
Was there anything in Prometheus that was executed reallly well? It seems, at this point, as if almost everything was executed poorly...from the story/plot, to the characterizations, some of the acting, etc.
It sounds like it would be hard to instill a sense of dread and foreboding (like in the original ALIEN), when you are constantly bombarded by hokey dialogue, incoherent editing, and characters you find difficult to relate to or sympathize with. It is also a bit funny that the supposed scientists are the first ones to forget (or ignore) basic scientific/medical protocols.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
It is also a bit funny that the supposed scientists are the first ones to forget (or ignore) basic scientific/medical protocols.
*kneejerk response* BUTITSJUSTAFANTASYLOL!
You know it's coming. :)
I mean, it's not like an element of believability doesn't help the audience get into the horror and more outlandish elements, right?
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
It is also a bit funny that the supposed scientists are the first ones to forget (or ignore) basic scientific/medical protocols.
*kneejerk response* BUTITSJUSTAFANTASYLOL!
You know it's coming. :)
I mean, it's not like an element of believability doesn't help the audience get into the horror and more outlandish elements, right?
I agree. And before someone chimes in complaining about Ash's disregard of quarantine protocols, my answer is:
A) Ash had nefarious, ulterior motives...he wasn't just being stupid
B) There was an entire scene which discussed this very strange behavior (the confrontation between Ripley and Ash in the MedLab). This made it "smart", because the original film specifically addressed this point, instead of ignoring it. In fact, all the characters' motivations in the original ALIEN were understandable, within the context of their situation, and the context of the film.
The only slightly dubious decision was for Dallas to go into the airshafts alone. He probably should have followed the "buddy system". Although, it could just as easily be argued that having two people, in close, confined spaces, with at least one flame-thrower...is a recipe for potential disaster.
So you're saying the cobra snake never fed him space tapirs?
Spoiler
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Shame.
Yeah, good points. That Fifield scene does sound brainless, unless there is some reason for them getting lost that wasn't portrayed well to the audience.
In a film like this (and with the prior Alien saga, in general,) they're supposed to incorporate as much realism as they can. You're never going to get everything, oversights here and there and typical movie moments like stupid decisions and such, but this is forgivable if the movie at large shows an effort to be scientifically and logically accurate.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 30, 2012, 06:42:30 PM
So you're saying the cobra snake never fed him space tapirs?
Spoiler
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Shame.
LOL! ;D ;D
Priceless!
Quote from: Qwertify on May 30, 2012, 06:42:30 PM
So you're saying the cobra snake never fed him space tapirs?
Spoiler
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Shame.
;D
I gonna watch it,and when finished i know i gonna think "seriously they don't understand/like that? It's f**king Amazing!"
It Was the same thing with Lost. I know there's some people who understand the series,but dont like .I Like it. But there is some people who understand,but not understand the whole thing,the whole "philosophies" in the end. Because that they dont like.
I mean,its Damon Lindelof,right?
because I know some of the people who did not like Prometheus
,did not understand the whole movie.
So,i already know this is a amazing film.
Sorry for my english.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
It is also a bit funny that the supposed scientists are the first ones to forget (or ignore) basic scientific/medical protocols.
*kneejerk response* BUTITSJUSTAFANTASYLOL!
You know it's coming. :)
I mean, it's not like an element of believability doesn't help the audience get into the horror and more outlandish elements, right?
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 30, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
It is also a bit funny that the supposed scientists are the first ones to forget (or ignore) basic scientific/medical protocols.
*kneejerk response* BUTITSJUSTAFANTASYLOL!
You know it's coming. :)
I mean, it's not like an element of believability doesn't help the audience get into the horror and more outlandish elements, right?
I agree. And before someone chimes in complaining about Ash's disregard of quarantine protocols, my answer is:
A) Ash had nefarious, ulterior motives...he wasn't just being stupid
B) There was an entire scene which discussed this very strange behavior (the confrontation between Ripley and Ash in the MedLab). This made it "smart", because the original film specifically addressed this point, instead of ignoring it. In fact, all the characters' motivations in the original ALIEN were understandable, within the context of their situation, and the context of the film.
The only slightly dubious decision was for Dallas to go into the airshafts alone. He probably should have followed the "buddy system". Although, it could just as easily be argued that having two people, in close, confined spaces, with at least one flame-thrower...is a recipe for potential disaster.
I agree. Such behavior is pretty unbelievable when you want to be pulled into the movie, not pulled out of it.
The fantasy angle is irrelevant. This is human behavior we're talking about, not fictional technology such as FTL, cryotubes, atmo. processors, etc.
Ok so now after the "you had pre conceived notion about what the film was supposed to be so it was bound to happen that you did not like it" car we are now presented with the "you did not understand or payed enough attention" card.
Whatever floats your boat.
I was anal retentive when i watched the movie, as i am with all the movie i watch.
Its part of my job to see movie, how they are made, it serves what i do for a living.
So please don't you question my skills in that area.
If you don't agree ok i can dig it but please don't say i'm dense...
Thanks ;)
Deuterium,
well i just loved the production design for exemple.
A bit too clean for my taste but seriously that is probably the best art direction in scifi movie i've seen in years.
The movie is just ok it can still be salvaged if there is actually an extended cut.
I think the most important improvement would be more character devellopement.
Stuff like Fifield and Millburn getting lost (seriously come on!!!) or the death of Janek, Ravel, Chance Vickers or Weyland are f**ked but maybe they can make them count if we get to know them better.
I remember that when we talked about the music, and who you guy were hoping was going to do the score you were let down by Ridley's choice, what i said is that Scott has been for a while on auto pilot, he works with the same guys, doing the same ok movies, well he did it again.
Whats is frustrating is that the potential is there...
Spotty character decisions are always a plot device.
Spoiler
People seem to be ripping this movie when it comes to the now infamous Millburn/Fifield "Dude I got the map but where is the exit omg" or "Dude whats that snake?" scene, yet very few people want to talk about the "Oh somethings in dat egg let me put my face up to it" Kane sequence or the "OMG that alien just ripped out of one of our pilot's chest" "Looks small enough, lets go chase it with a net" idea.
Don't even get me started on Aliens lol
Hi everyone ! I come from Belgium and i just saw the movie !
Let's talk about my feelings about Prometheus :
Ridley Scott is a genius !
- 1)
Story : I think the story is incredible in 2 ways, first cause now we have some answers about questions from Alien, next because we can think that Prometheus a "racine" movie, Alien is one branch of it and Prometheus 2 can be another branch from the tree !
- 2)
Special Effects : They are amazing, these aren't special effects anymore, all of this is photorealistic ! You have the feeling that they recorded all of this from something real like a documentary for example ( specially for the Prometheus ship and for the planet's landscapes ! ).
- 3)
Actors : All of them are amazing in their ways, Michael Fassbender is a real robot, Noomi Rapace is also surprising that in Millenium, Guy Pearce is unrecognizable. And for Charlize Theron ...
Spoiler
at her first sentence you already want to kill her!
I think I'll finish on this : I don't know if I want to see another prequel more concentrate on Alien or on the other side a sequel of Prometheus !
P.S. : all of you have to watch it !
Bye all :)
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 30, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Spotty character decisions are always a plot device.
Spoiler
People seem to be ripping this movie when it comes to the now infamous Millburn/Fifield "Dude I got the map but where is the exit omg" or "Dude whats that snake?" scene, yet very few people want to talk about the "Oh somethings in dat egg let me put my face up to it" Kane sequence or the "OMG that alien just ripped out of one of our pilot's chest" "Looks small enough, lets go chase it with a net" idea.
Don't even get me started on Aliens lol
Perhaps Milburn was watching too much "ET" before the trip?
I haven't seen the movie yet, but if I were going in that temple I wouldn't expect to find ewoks or gizmo.
The irony of the whole thing is that Lindelof was bashing George Lucas so much for just writing a prequel for the sake of it... yet from reading all the spoilers, I can't shake the feeling that the film is exactly that: a Prequel for the sake of it.
I thought we would get to see new things... hell the Movie is called "Prometheus", it could have gone anywhere... but no... instead we get
Spoiler
A Xenomorph... the one thing that Ridley said he had enough of seeing... well I just don't know what sir Scott wanted from this at all... probably just do some very successful 3d filming and then using this knowledge to create another film... hopefully something more original.
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 30, 2012, 09:55:34 PM
The irony of the whole thing is that Lindelof was bashing George Lucas so much for just writing a prequel for the sake of it... yet from reading all the spoilers, I can't shake the feeling that the film is exactly that: a Prequel for the sake of it.
I thought we would get to see new things... hell the Movie is called "Prometheus", it could have gone anywhere... but no... instead we get
Spoiler
A Xenomorph... the one thing that Ridley said he had enough of seeing... well I just don't know what sir Scott wanted from this at all... probably just do some very successful 3d filming and then using this knowledge to create another film... hopefully something more original.
Your exactly right Tangakkai. I need to find a link to that video of Lindelof talking about "Lucas' mistakes"
I also have the feeling Prometheus is intended to be an Alien REMAKE. They made this movie just to make a part 2. Whats horrible about that is they didnt do a package deal with Fox. Its not like they said "we got us a RS trilogy". They are just making stuff up on the fly...thats the worst way with good material.There is no other reason to have written the story this way.
Just Saw the Movie
Review: JIZZED IN MY PANTS
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 30, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Spotty character decisions are always a plot device.
Spoiler
People seem to be ripping this movie when it comes to the now infamous Millburn/Fifield "Dude I got the map but where is the exit omg" or "Dude whats that snake?" scene, yet very few people want to talk about the "Oh somethings in dat egg let me put my face up to it" Kane sequence or the "OMG that alien just ripped out of one of our pilot's chest" "Looks small enough, lets go chase it with a net" idea.
Don't even get me started on Aliens lol
lol
It sure is. :)
I have absolutely no problem with Millburn playing with the wormalien.
You need characters to do stupid things to make shit happens.
What bothers me with them is Fifiled being lost when he's the one who is mapping the temple and giving directions, and have them going to the very same place that they were scared to enter, the ampule room.
I'm sorry but that is really badly written.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 11:06:56 PM
I have absolutely no problem with Millburn playing with the wormalien.
You need characters to do stupid things to make shit happens.
What bothers me with them is Fifiled being lost when he's the one who is mapping the temple and giving directions, and have them going to the very same place that they were scared to enter, the ampule room.
I'm sorry but that is really badly written.
I completely understand my friend.
I was just pointing out that sometimes people overlook equally bad writing/character choices/motivations in "Classic" films because they are immune to these short comings in some peoples eyes.
I got some questions for thoes you seen it
How does Vickers dies?
Do the last minutes of the film explain the alien or does it tie in with alien?
Is there lot of blood and gore?
Quote from: r888 on May 31, 2012, 01:12:07 AM
I got some questions for thoes you seen it
How does Vickers dies?
Do the last minutes of the film explain the alien or does it tie in with alien?
Is there lot of blood and gore?
Spoiler
Crushed by the Derelict / Juggernaut while running straight.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 31, 2012, 01:12:48 AM
Quote from: r888 on May 31, 2012, 01:12:07 AM
I got some questions for thoes you seen it
How does Vickers dies?
Do the last minutes of the film explain the alien or does it tie in with alien?
Is there lot of blood and gore?
Spoiler
Crushed by the Derelict / Juggernaut while running straight.
Thanks
what that a boring death >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 11:06:56 PM
You need characters to do stupid things to make shit happens.
No, you
really don't.This prevailing 'wisdom' really needs to die. There are many instances of characters not doing stupid things and shit still going wrong. The Thing is a prime example of a horror film where all the characters make minimal mistakes and the situation still consumes them.
Spoiler
yay a queen chestbuster sweet I can't wait to see that on screen
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Quote from: r888 on May 31, 2012, 01:27:06 AM
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yay a queen chestbuster sweet I can't wait to see that on screen
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Spoiler
Its a queen? is not a queen?
Dude i dunno what to think anymore, think i will wait to see the movie
:-[
That's a queen. Where was this found? Is it from the movie?
You can tell it's a queen by the shape of the head and the extra set of tiny appendages underneath the chest.
That's not in the movie
82% on rottentomatoes........ not bad
to those that watched the movie, do you think the movie suffer in the cutting room?
i read somewhere that an imax movie cant be more than 120 min. maybe the movie
was originally 130 or 140 min. and also maybe that issue to force an "R" rated movie
to "PG-13" movie hurts this theatrical cut. i know the movie ended "R" rated but
possibly the damage was done to this cut an it was late to fix it. i bring this up
because i read some post saying some scenes in the trailers an tvspots wasnt in
the movie. i hope for a DC on blu-ray.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 31, 2012, 01:12:48 AM
Quote from: r888 on May 31, 2012, 01:12:07 AM
I got some questions for thoes you seen it
How does Vickers dies?
Do the last minutes of the film explain the alien or does it tie in with alien?
Is there lot of blood and gore?
Spoiler
Crushed by the Derelict / Juggernaut while running straight.
Spoiler
hahahaha. Glad to know loathing Vickers has a ROFL death eventually. Very suitable for the bitch. Now I'm gonna like the film a lot more :laugh:
I watched the movie yesterday in Belgium..I traveled to Hasselt..about a one hour drive from The Netherlands, where I Live...
I loved every second of this movie...
Prometheus brings back the feeling from Alien.. discovering dark tunnels/ rooms /caverns, and this not only 1 time but several times during the movie...
I am a die hard ALIEN fan since 33 years, and only Prometheus did give me back that Alien World feeling...
I watched almost every teaser / trailer / clip.. and I loved it, to see how they where fit together in this two hour ride..
But I also think this movie was 1 hour to short... that could have helped to explain some of the mentioned things in this thread... so a directors cut will help to turn Prometheus to come out more perfect...
Quote from: atlantis on May 31, 2012, 07:45:43 AMI loved every second of this movie...
Prometheus brings back the feeling from Alien.. discovering dark tunnels/ rooms /caverns, and this not only 1 time but several times during the movie...
I am a die hard ALIEN fan since 33 years, and only Prometheus did give me back that Alien World feeling...
That's a greatly encouraging thing to hear from a fan - thanks atlantis.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 31, 2012, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: atlantis on May 31, 2012, 07:45:43 AMI loved every second of this movie...
Prometheus brings back the feeling from Alien.. discovering dark tunnels/ rooms /caverns, and this not only 1 time but several times during the movie...
I am a die hard ALIEN fan since 33 years, and only Prometheus did give me back that Alien World feeling...
That's a greatly encouraging thing to hear from a fan - thanks atlantis.
Oh yeah......I like the anticipating feeling. 7 June, here I come! Thanks atlantis!
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 31, 2012, 10:09:46 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 31, 2012, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: atlantis on May 31, 2012, 07:45:43 AMI loved every second of this movie...
Prometheus brings back the feeling from Alien.. discovering dark tunnels/ rooms /caverns, and this not only 1 time but several times during the movie...
I am a die hard ALIEN fan since 33 years, and only Prometheus did give me back that Alien World feeling...
That's a greatly encouraging thing to hear from a fan - thanks atlantis.
Oh yeah......I like the anticipating feeling. 7 June, here I come! Thanks atlantis!
I like the sound of that. 3 more hours and i will finally see Prometheus ;D ;D ;D
WE WERE WRONG we were so wrong
I've been a bit spoiled while on vacation - I personally think it sounds quite good. I only know some broad strokes and some of the ending, but:
Spoiler
Shaw and David going off in a juggernaut sounds wonderful to me. I was so hoping it would end on something like that, with the devout woman seeking God going off into the stars in one of their vessels. That has a mystical and mythic undertone to it that I really enjoy. So I've no issue with that. It leaves it open.
I will say non-dedicated fan boards are considerably less histrionic about these spoilers thus far. I am a devout fan but I feel pretty calm. And I
never wanted "a direct prequel."
This question has probably been asked before, but does anything in this movie directly contradict AVP?
For example, I know the viral campaign has Peter Weyland as the founder of Weyland Industries. But in the film does he ever say, "I founded this company, not my father. In fact, I didn't have a father. If I DID have a father, his name definitely wouldn't be Charles... Nope."
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 31, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
I've been a bit spoiled while on vacation - I personally think it sounds quite good. I only know some broad strokes and some of the ending, but:
Spoiler
Shaw and David going off in a juggernaut sounds wonderful to me. I was so hoping it would end on something like that, with the devout woman seeking God going off into the stars in one of their vessels. That has a mystical and mythic undertone to it that I really enjoy. So I've no issue with that. It leaves it open.
I will say non-dedicated fan boards are considerably less histrionic about these spoilers thus far. I am a devout fan but I feel pretty calm. And I never wanted "a direct prequel."
This is where I stand as well. While the spoilers of
Prometheus itself didn't
quite live up to the hopes I had for it, it still seems like an enjoyable film itself and holds potential that a sequel could utilize down the road.
Quote from: OneUglyMother on May 31, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
This question has probably been asked before, but does anything in this movie directly contradict AVP?
For example, I know the viral campaign has Peter Weyland as the founder of Weyland Industries. But in the film does he ever say, "I founded this company, not my father. In fact, I didn't have a father. If I DID have a father, his name definitely wouldn't be Charles... Nope."
Nothing contradict AVP & AVP-R.
The famous mural with the Engineer and a mysterious creature crouched next to him - is it addressed in the film? what is the creature, is it a mutated engineer?
Quote from: Bayo on May 31, 2012, 05:33:59 AM
82% on rottentomatoes........ not bad
to those that watched the movie, do you think the movie suffer in the cutting room?
i read somewhere that an imax movie cant be more than 120 min. maybe the movie
was originally 130 or 140 min. and also maybe that issue to force an "R" rated movie
to "PG-13" movie hurts this theatrical cut. i know the movie ended "R" rated but
possibly the damage was done to this cut an it was late to fix it. i bring this up
because i read some post saying some scenes in the trailers an tvspots wasnt in
the movie. i hope for a DC on blu-ray.
I hope for a directors/extended cut. I can't help but feel like there where missing some scene's. 2 or 3 times i had the feeling a scene was cut to be honest because the frame cuts abruptly to the next. But it was only 2 or 3 times. Overall i absolutely loved the movie ;D
In the trailer there is a clip when Shaw is on the operating table or something and a figure in a hazard suit is standing there and she smacks him with something.
Whats that all about?
I looked though this whole thread, and could not see if anyone has addressed these:
1. Does the film explain why there are 5 temples ?
2. Does the storm expose the human skull on top of the temple, and is this addressed in the film ?
3. Are the worms (which apparently mutate into hammerpede) a native life form of the planetoid ?
4. If the atmosphere affects the urns and cause them to leak the black goo, why does it only affect some urns ? Why is the urn David brings back to the ship not affected by ship atmosphere ?
5. In one of the trailers we see a display with a high temperature reading 165 Deg C. Is that the surface temperature of the planetoid ?
6. Is the general alien life cycle addressed by any characters in the film, i.e. black goo -> worm -> infected human host -> massive facehugger -> proto xenomorph ? I am having a hard time understanding the whole life cycle.
TIA
Quote from: proicioaway on May 31, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
3. Are the worms (which apparently mutate into hammerpede) a native life form of the planetoid ?
4. If the atmosphere affects the urns and cause them to leak the black goo, why does it only affect some urns ? Why is the urn David brings back to the ship not affected by ship atmosphere ?
a couple of good questions
Quote from: escroto on May 31, 2012, 08:27:03 PM
Quote from: proicioaway on May 31, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
3. Are the worms (which apparently mutate into hammerpede) a native life form of the planetoid ?
4. If the atmosphere affects the urns and cause them to leak the black goo, why does it only affect some urns ? Why is the urn David brings back to the ship not affected by ship atmosphere ?
a couple of good questions
Good questions, but my guess is that there will be no answers...this is written by Lindelof, afterall. From what I have read, there are plot holes large enough to drive a truck through. Very sad, really.
Quote from: proicioaway on May 31, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
I looked though this whole thread, and could not see if anyone has addressed these:
1. Does the film explain why there are 5 temples ?
2. Does the storm expose the human skull on top of the temple, and is this addressed in the film ?
3. Are the worms (which apparently mutate into hammerpede) a native life form of the planetoid ?
4. If the atmosphere affects the urns and cause them to leak the black goo, why does it only affect some urns ? Why is the urn David brings back to the ship not affected by ship atmosphere ?
5. In one of the trailers we see a display with a high temperature reading 165 Deg C. Is that the surface temperature of the planetoid ?
6. Is the general alien life cycle addressed by any characters in the film, i.e. black goo -> worm -> infected human host -> massive facehugger -> proto xenomorph ? I am having a hard time understanding the whole life cycle.
TIA
Answers.
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1. No.
2. No.
3. We can't really tell. We don't know if they really are the Hammerpedes. Maybe.
4. All urns are infected. David takes the urn at the beginning of the phenomenon. After that, they quicly get out of the room.
5. No.
6. No.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 08:30:33 PM
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Quote from: proicioaway on May 31, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
3. Are the worms (which apparently mutate into hammerpede) a native life form of the planetoid ?
4. If the atmosphere affects the urns and cause them to leak the black goo, why does it only affect some urns ? Why is the urn David brings back to the ship not affected by ship atmosphere ?
a couple of good questions
Good questions, but my guess is that there will be no answers...this is written by Lindelof, afterall. From what I have read, there are plot holes large enough to drive a truck through. Very sad, really.
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Spoilers within!
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They didn't just give us tips for cave paintings or a helping hand along the way... they pissed in our primordial soup.
Quote from: proicioaway on May 31, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
I looked though this whole thread, and could not see if anyone has addressed these:
1. Does the film explain why there are 5 temples ?
2. Does the storm expose the human skull on top of the temple, and is this addressed in the film ?
3. Are the worms (which apparently mutate into hammerpede) a native life form of the planetoid ?
4. If the atmosphere affects the urns and cause them to leak the black goo, why does it only affect some urns ? Why is the urn David brings back to the ship not affected by ship atmosphere ?
5. In one of the trailers we see a display with a high temperature reading 165 Deg C. Is that the surface temperature of the planetoid ?
6. Is the general alien life cycle addressed by any characters in the film, i.e. black goo -> worm -> infected human host -> massive facehugger -> proto xenomorph ? I am having a hard time understanding the whole life cycle.
TIA
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1. Not really but it isn't that hard to figure out. It is a military base if i understood correctly. And there are multiple ships filled with bioweapons (the black goo).
2. No
3. Don't know for sure but i think they are part of the terra formed parts of the planet.
4. David froze the one he took with him before it could overflow.
5. Don't know
6. Not really, it is still kind of vague. Holloway got infected by david with the black good. He had sex with Shaw. She got pregnant and got an abortion. The octo thing is born and when it is fully grown it turns out to be some sort of giant facehugger wich kind of looked like a mix between the concept art hugger and the hugger we know. It impregnates the engineer/spacejockey. Then we get a bambi burster like scene in the very end.
Quote from: Predaker on May 31, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
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Spoilers within!
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They didn't just give us tips for cave paintings or a helping hand along the way... they pissed in our primordial soup.
Bwa ha ha. Nicely put! ;D 8)
I got a question was peter weyland on screen the entire time or only for a minute?
Did you like peter weyland role? ( for thoes who seen it)
You know, I use to be famous once too...
A few years ago I caught an early screening of the Friday the 13th remake before any of the fans had seen it. I posted an early, spoiler free review of the film on the IMDB and took a lot of questions from fans leading up to official release of the film. It was fun and somewhat narcissistic to be the center of attention for awhile...but also enjoyable to share my knowledge of the film with fans who appreciated knowing about it.
I haven't read any of the posts in this thread yet (and I won't until after I see the movie itself) because I know there are spoilers here...but kudos to you, NGR01, on taking so many questions from those that want to know and also for giving your time to the community...even if I find it somewhat odd that there are so many people here willing to spoil the movie themselves because they have a strange deficiency with their own patience.
;)
Quote from: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:06:49 AM
I got a question was peter weyland on screen the entire time or only for a minute?
Did you like peter weyland role? ( for thoes who seen it)
Spoiler
You see Weyland quite a lot towards the latter half of the film. His make up is ok not flawless, but his voice dwindles from old man to something else and occasionally is Aussie accent slips through
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:21:57 AM
You know, I use to be famous once too...
A few years ago I caught an early screening of the Friday the 13th remake before any of the fans had seen it. I posted an early, spoiler free review of the film on the IMDB and took a lot of questions from fans leading up to official release of the film. It was fun and somewhat narcissistic to be the center of attention for awhile...but also enjoyable to share my knowledge of the film with fans who appreciated knowing about it.
I haven't read any of the posts in this thread yet (and I won't until after I see the movie itself) because I know there are spoilers here...but kudos to you, NGR01, on taking so many questions from those that want to know and also for giving your time to the community...even if I find it somewhat odd that there are so many people here willing to spoil the movie themselves because they have a strange deficiency with their own patience.
;)
Lol thanks.
I was going to be more famous at first by sending my review to AICN but i prefered to give the priority to this forum ;)
And already had my internet fame with spielberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS ;)
To my fellow americans :
Enjoy PROMETHEUS tommorrow :)
Quote from: Infected on May 31, 2012, 05:37:01 PM
In the trailer there is a clip when Shaw is on the operating table or something and a figure in a hazard suit is standing there and she smacks him with something.
Whats that all about?
it's in the film
Spoiler
They find out she's pregnant with an alien foetus and ask her to go into stasis. Shaw panics and beats 'em up, and runs to the MedPod. Then everyone forgets it ever happened.