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On how Shaw fits into Covenant:
"Yes, in a way," he said, confirming she'll be in the film. "Not fully, but in a way. She was integral to what David carried out later."
He also might have just said the title for Covenant's sequel (or prequel, his wording is interesting):
"It will go Prometheus, Awakening, Covenant.. fairly integral where this colonization ship is on the way...."
And for how many films he's planning:
Waterston cut in again to stop Scott from spoiling any more information. "You're giving away too much!" she screamed. "But yes, there will be more after this. I think that was the question." To which Scott replied, "If this is successful, and then the next one, and then there will definitely be three more."
*edited topic title. Hicks.
''In a way.'' :-\
"Awakening" ?
Quote"There will be another one before we kind of literally and logically, clockwise, back into the rear back head of [the original] Alien," he said.
We asked Scott what the timeline looked like -- would it be Prometheus, Covenant and then this next movie before we arrive at the events of the original Alien. That's when the answer became a bit foggy as it appears he slips in the title for another movie we haven't seen yet and positions it between Prometheus and Covenant.
"It will go Prometheus, Awakening, Covenant.. fairly integral where this colonization ship is on the way...."
Waterston cut in again to stop Scott from spoiling any more information. "You're giving away too much!" she screamed. "But yes, there will be more after this. I think that was the question." To which Scott replied, "If this is successful, and then the next one, and then there will definitely be three more."
While those answers all seemed like they came in pieces, what we got out of it was that there may be another Alien movie called Alien: Awakening, and it may either come after the events of Covenant or between Prometheus and Covenant. And that the next one would complete a trilogy, at which time Scott has another three Alien films in his mind.
When asked whether those other three Alien films would take place after the events of his own original Alien, he said no, referencing the fact that other movies have already been there, done that.
I think Awakening will be name of the prequel novel
So it's Prometheus, Alien Awakening, Alien Covenant?
Anyways keep it coming Ridley. 8)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
I think Awakening will be name of the prequel novel
This is very confusing. Is Scott saying that the next film will be a Prequel to Covenant? Or that AWAKENING is the title of the NOVEL? I swear this man can barely speak English sometimes. He also seems to be saying that where the COVENANT goes AFTER this movie will be important.
Spoiler
We know from the leaks that at the end of COVENANT they are headed to the original planet they were SUPPOSED to COLONIZE.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
I think Awakening will be name of the prequel novel
That's what I thought, but it's in response to the next film before it leads right up to Alien...unless he just stopped himself from revealing the title and just mentioned how integral the colonisation ship is and where it's going...
He seems to want to go waaaaay back with the next three after the sequel to Covenant, colour me intrigued.
"It will go Prometheus, Awakening, Covenant.. fairly integral where this colonization ship is on the way...."
Yeah I don't know it isn't specific but I still think it means the order of the story. Prometheus 1st, then the prequel ADF novel (awakening maybe), and finally Covenant.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 17, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
I think Awakening will be name of the prequel novel
This is very confusing. Is Scott saying that the next film will be a Prequel to Covenant? Or that AWAKENING is the title of the NOVEL? I swear this man can barely speak English sometimes. He also seems to be saying that where the COVENANT goes AFTER this movie will be important.Spoiler
We know from the leaks that at the end of COVENANT they are headed to the original planet they were SUPPOSED to COLONIZE.
LV-426?
This seems to support the idea that Shaw became one of David's test subjects.
Initial thoughts for me were that he may be talking about foster's novel.
Anyway I think at the end there will be to much alien prequel/sequel movies and that's not good for the franchise!
Three are enough ridley ;)
I think it's safe to say that after 500 interviews -- he's allowed to slip on details. It must be exhausting.
I fear that there is still no definitive plan for the prequels, 5 years after the release of Prometheus.
At some point FOX will plug the plug, and we'll be left with an uncompleted connection to the original series.
Prometheus followed by Alien: Covenant, Alien: Covenant 2 and Alien: Covenant 3 is more than enough.
5, 6 prequel films are just ridiculous.
Ridley and FOX need to come up with a complete plan of where the series is heading, and stick to the Alien: Covenant prequel trilogy that has been mentioned before. Anymore films after that would be overkill.
three more after these three?...I mean...unless one of those is Blomkamps it might to start to feel like treading over the same ground repeatedly. How long can we dip into the origins of the Alien before it gets stale?
One of the reasons I like Alien and Aliens so much is because they're different takes on the same idea.
I hope not! I want to see Alien 5 from Blomkamp!
Anyone, who is interestetd in Alien 5 from Blomkamp, please sign the petition!
I want a new movie with Weaver, I want this newl sequel to Aliens and not tons of prequels.
Prometheus was not good at all.
Do it until Michael Bien and Sigourney Weaver are to old.
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/neill-blomkamp-for-alien5
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 17, 2017, 04:40:36 PM
three more after these three?...I mean...unless one of those is Blomkamps it might to start to feel like treading over the same ground repeatedly. How long can we dip into the origins of the Alien before it gets stale?
One of the reasons I like Alien and Aliens so much is because they're different takes on the same idea.
That's a good question...I think we must send it to mister scotts mail account 8)
Lets hope that we not lose the dark mysterious feelings from the alien universe after so much time. less but realy goods ones are bether then to much... and in the end we got a lemmed alien/prometheus lemon!
I'm thinking he just slipped up with the order, naming the novelisation in response to the next film doesn't seem likely, but we'll see.
As for another potential trilogy, well I think it's more that he loves doing these films and if they continue to be successful enough then yeah he'd just keep going.
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the order is odd, i am sure chronologically Awakening will be after Covenant, also: "Adding more confusion to the pot, Scott seems to state that Alien: Covenant is the second in the prequel trilogy (with Prometheus being the start) and not the start of a brand new trilogy as is generally reported" we all know Covenant is the second part of a trilogy started with prometheus and is retarded if Fox decides to make it just a prologue
I would imagine that the "Awakening" might refer to all those colonists currently in cryo aboard the Covenant that will be thawed and awakened once they reach their original, intended destination.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
I would imagine that the "Awakening" might refer to all those colonists currently in cryo aboard the Covenant that will be thawed and awakened once they reach their original, intended destination.
Sounds plausible.
Pretty sure he just mixed up the order.
Also. Really don't like "Awakenings" as a title. Sounds like a bad brainstorming session at Marvel Studios.
Even weirder is that Waterson seems to know all about this. So I guess she's read the script already, lol.
This one line about the AWAKENING being before COVENANT, having come from this wonderfulguy's indecipherable language, is going to eat at me for years now. I'm gonna want that to end up as the title of the Prequel Novel, just so I can put it to rest!
As for the idea that the sequel may be a prequel, well, it may also be both? For instance, this movie starts before Prometheus, and then jumps ahead, right? So perhaps AWAKENING starts before COVENANT with SHAW and then jumps to the events after PROMETHEUS? This would involve both SHAW 'Awakening' on the Juggernaut with David, AND the COLONISTS 'Awakening' on the Covenant?
In fact, right now, my money is on that. This could also explain why the scenes with Shaw may have been cut from this.
Yeah, I don't know about that,
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
I would imagine that the "Awakening" might refer to all those colonists currently in cryo aboard the Covenant that will be thawed and awakened once they reach their original, intended destination.
Yeah I'm thinking this could be it, could also signify the classic star beast coming into existence as well.
Another prequel: because they already don't know what to do with the ending they set up in Covenant.
"There has been an AWAKENING... Have you felt it?"
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 17, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Another prequel: because they already don't know what to do with the ending they set up in Covenant.
They're already writing Covenant's sequel.
I was being facetious. Interesting to see if he's referring to a film or just the prequel novel. It seems pretty confirmed that
Spoiler
Shaw will wind up being where the eggs come from.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 17, 2017, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 17, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Another prequel: because they already don't know what to do with the ending they set up in Covenant.
They're already writing Covenant's sequel.
I heard that its already written though.
it's a crazy concept but if Scott directs all these (which i'm sure he will) he wants to retire after all these no doubt) dude is near 80.
So it all began like this
Prometheus
Alien: Covenant
Alien XXXX
Alien XXXX
Alien: XXXX (if this one gets made)
Alien (79)
Aliens:
Alien: 3
Alien: Resurrection
Yes?
So 9 films in the *Alien Franchise* lol?
Quote from: D88M on Mar 17, 2017, 05:08:58 PM
the order is odd, i am sure chronologically Awakening will be after Covenant, also: "Adding more confusion to the pot, Scott seems to state that Alien: Covenant is the second in the prequel trilogy (with Prometheus being the start) and not the start of a brand new trilogy as is generally reported" we all know Covenant is the second part of a trilogy started with prometheus and is retarded if Fox decides to make it just a prologue
That's unlikely, in my opinion. Covenant seems to be a soft remake of Prometheus, so it would make more sense to start a new trilogy, starting with Covenant.
PREQUEL-CEPTION
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
I would imagine that the "Awakening" might refer to all those colonists currently in cryo aboard the Covenant that will be thawed and awakened once they reach their original, intended destination.
People waking in cryo happens in all of the movies, so it will likely have a 'double entendre' like Prometheus and Covenant.
Either Scott is referring to the prequel novel as "Awakening", or he misspoke and had the titles out of order and Awakening is the working title for Covenant's sequel. It would not make any sense that he would talk about Blomkamp's Alien film in reference to his own prequels. And then to have Waterston say Scott's revealing too much implies he's talking about a movie she'll be part of. Unless Blomkamp is now working with Scott on the prequels instead of his Alien 2.5.
There's just no way Scott is going to make a prequel to the sequel of a prequel. No way TCF approved that.
He's relentless I give him that.
I'm taking what he said as literal guys. Think of the title for Alien. How it emerges piece by piece. It's f**king genius.
Quote from: ChaoticShadows on Mar 17, 2017, 07:20:33 PM
Either Scott is referring to the prequel novel as "Awakening", or he misspoke and had the titles out of order and Awakening is the working title for Covenant's sequel. It would not make any sense that he would talk about Blomkamp's Alien film in reference to his own prequels. And then to have Waterston say Scott's revealing too much implies he's talking about a movie she'll be part of. Unless Blomkamp is now working with Scott on the prequels instead of his Alien 2.5.
There's just no way Scott is going to make a prequel to the sequel of a prequel. No way TCF approved that.
Yeah it's Waterson's reaction that actually makes me do a double take here–like, wow, this all might REALLY happen. It's funny to think that 20th Century Fox once seemed really keen–and who knows, maybe they still are–on making Covenant the "second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with Prometheus"...and Scott's pretty much already planning his second trilogy lol this is nuts.
Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott's 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.
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Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 17, 2017, 07:17:41 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
I would imagine that the "Awakening" might refer to all those colonists currently in cryo aboard the Covenant that will be thawed and awakened once they reach their original, intended destination.
People waking in cryo happens in all of the movies, so it will likely have a 'double entendre' like Prometheus and Covenant.
Spoiler
The Alien embryos that David (formerly Walter) stashed with the frozen human embryos would also be "awakened" on arrival, so the title could apply to the "awakening" of both species. More figuratively it could also mean that a formerly dormant, ancient species (the Alien) has now been resurrected.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
I think Awakening will be name of the prequel novel
I agree
Quote from: Fanboy Ben on Mar 17, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN
Scott was just one cog in the machine. It worked so well because it was a (highly talented) ensemble effort.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 17, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
Quote from: Fanboy Ben on Mar 17, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN
Scott was just one cog in the machine. It worked so well because it was a (highly talented) ensemble effort.
Are you for real? He wasn't just a cog. He was essential part of the machine next to O'Bannonr/Shusett, Giller/Hill and Giger. He actually convinced studio to use Giger's work . Studio didn't like it but Scott insisted. He and O'Bannon perceived its potential.
Alittle unsure how to feel about this. If Awakening is set before covenant, are we looking at another Alien movie without the Aliens again? Surely he has the timeline wrong. I don't see the studio making that mistake twice. Just my opinion, but there weren't enough questions in Alien to merit a host of prequels. Where the space jockey came from, why it crashed, and how WY knew about the xenomorph all could have been answered in Prometheus. I suppose I'm just the kind of person who likes a movie to stand on it's own 2 feet and not be a question-fest used to set up cash making sequels. I just wish the studio would focus more on moving the series forward rather than back. But if we have to go back, no offense to Cameron, I'd love to see Scott's take on the events immediately following Alien.
Quote from: LV-624 on Mar 17, 2017, 04:34:08 PM
I fear that there is still no definitive plan for the prequels, 5 years after the release of Prometheus.
At some point FOX will plug the plug, and we'll be left with an uncompleted connection to the original series.
Prometheus followed by Alien: Covenant, Alien: Covenant 2 and Alien: Covenant 3 is more than enough.
5, 6 prequel films are just ridiculous.
Ridley and FOX need to come up with a complete plan of where the series is heading, and stick to the Alien: Covenant prequel trilogy that has been mentioned before. Anymore films after that would be overkill.
I agree quite a lot of prequels could be overkill.
The only thing I can think of is that the Xeno was obviously well known to WY in Akien... So maybe there were several failed incidents for the prequels to show.
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I'm tired of the lollywater Marvel annual bollocks. I want MEAT ON THEM BONES. Real meat, being sheared off with brute force of ALIEN TERROR!
AT LEAST ONCE EACH YEAR!
BRING IT!!1!!!!one!
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I think of the amount of sequels Scott is planning the same way I think of the Avatar sequels. If the story is big enough to justify the large amount, then I'm okay with it.
Scott has been known to say it's 'epic'. So, maybe he's on the right path with multiple movies.
-Windebieste.
Could the awakening be the name of a ship? What kind of a ship? A new are of exploration ? New ftl tech?
Scott changes his mind pretty quickly. Let's see if Covvie does well.
Still wouldn't mind the Blomkamp Alien film as well, but Sir Ridley, please make as many as you want! :D
If Awakening is a prequel to Covenant, then they should've worked on that first before moving on to Covenant?
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 18, 2017, 12:26:08 AM
Scott changes his mind pretty quickly.
Understatement of the year.
Also, I just remembered about the prequel novel ADF is writing. So I think it's safe to say Awakening is AFTER Covenant.
When I hear of Awakening I think of Xenomorphs with ligthsabers!
My thoughts on Awakening and the future of the series. :)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2017, 09:13:17 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 17, 2017, 07:17:41 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
I would imagine that the "Awakening" might refer to all those colonists currently in cryo aboard the Covenant that will be thawed and awakened once they reach their original, intended destination.
People waking in cryo happens in all of the movies, so it will likely have a 'double entendre' like Prometheus and Covenant.
Spoiler
The Alien embryos that David (formerly Walter) stashed with the frozen human embryos would also be "awakened" on arrival, so the title could apply to the "awakening" of both species. More figuratively it could also mean that a formerly dormant, ancient species (the Alien) has now been resurrected.
That's what I was thinking. But we shouldn't discount the OTHERS. Engineers and whatever else they may be eluding to - as what also may 'AWAKEN.'
Could refer to multiple things, I'm hoping it refers to the awakening of a higher being or beings as well, only time will tell!
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 17, 2017, 10:35:24 PM
Are you for real? He wasn't just a cog. He was essential part of the machine next to O'Bannonr/Shusett, Giller/Hill and Giger. He actually convinced studio to use Giger's work . Studio didn't like it but Scott insisted. He and O'Bannon perceived its potential.
If there were equally essential people then yes, he was a cog in a machine. A machine of very talented, creative cogs. For example, Scott might've convinced them to go with Giger, but it was
O'Bannon who convinced
Scott to begin with. The creativity of the Alien itself was from O'Bannon, Shussett, Cobb and Giger. Scott's major contributions were "tall thin person in the suit", "graceful movements" and "take off the eyes". Great touches, but icing on a cake built by a lot of other chefs.
Scott was less the creator of
Alien than, say, Cameron was the creator of
The Terminator. Scott was one of a group of people coming together at the right time to make a great film, but he was never the creative driving force behind the whole thing.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2017, 05:28:51 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 17, 2017, 10:35:24 PM
Are you for real? He wasn't just a cog. He was essential part of the machine next to O'Bannonr/Shusett, Giller/Hill and Giger. He actually convinced studio to use Giger's work . Studio didn't like it but Scott insisted. He and O'Bannon perceived its potential.
If there were equally essential people then yes, he was a cog in a machine. A machine of very talented, creative cogs. For example, Scott might've convinced them to go with Giger, but it was O'Bannon who convinced Scott to begin with. The creativity of the Alien itself was from O'Bannon, Shussett, Cobb and Giger. Scott's major contributions were "tall thin person in the suit", "graceful movements" and "take off the eyes". Great touches, but icing on a cake built by a lot of other chefs.
Scott was less the creator of Alien than, say, Cameron was the creator of The Terminator. Scott was one of a group of people coming together at the right time to make a great film, but he was never the creative driving force behind the whole thing.
Well, he was certainly a major part of that force, but being director doth have its little privileges, no? And Cameron ripped off Harlan Ellison. :P
Dan O'Bannon being the central creator of the alien is a pretty substantial stretch, IMO. Yes, he pushed for Giger but IIRC the original 'star beast' was something like a bug-eyed amoeba - I think that was Ron Cobb or Shussett's take. And the original O'Bannon script, minus the chestburster, is not great. I say that as someone who quite likes Dan O'Bannon's work, but he was a notorious curmudgeon.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 18, 2017, 05:59:46 AM
Dan O'Bannon being the central creator of the alien is a pretty substantial stretch, IMO.
Nobody said that, either.
There were people who were equally important. They were all adding layers to the story, location, characters, and creatures to bring out the best in them. No one person can say they're responsible for the film's success -- although Hill and Giler are probably the closest contenders for taking O'Bannon's B-script and giving it a chance.
Don't forget Ronald Shussett's couch, which he offered to Dan, to sleep on, after Dan went broke following the financial disaster for him that was Dark Star, and Ron's fast food and hotdogs to sustain Dan while he wrote the B-script. :)
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2017, 05:28:51 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 17, 2017, 10:35:24 PM
Are you for real? He wasn't just a cog. He was essential part of the machine next to O'Bannonr/Shusett, Giller/Hill and Giger. He actually convinced studio to use Giger's work . Studio didn't like it but Scott insisted. He and O'Bannon perceived its potential.
If there were equally essential people then yes, he was a cog in a machine. A machine of very talented, creative cogs. For example, Scott might've convinced them to go with Giger, but it was O'Bannon who convinced Scott to begin with. The creativity of the Alien itself was from O'Bannon, Shussett, Cobb and Giger. Scott's major contributions were "tall thin person in the suit", "graceful movements" and "take off the eyes". Great touches, but icing on a cake built by a lot of other chefs.
Scott was less the creator of Alien than, say, Cameron was the creator of The Terminator. Scott was one of a group of people coming together at the right time to make a great film, but he was never the creative driving force behind the whole thing.
Have I said that he was the creative driving force behind the whole thing? No. I have said that he wasn't just a cog but essential part of the machine next to O'Bannonr/Shusett, Giller/Hill and Giger. Pay attention please. And talking about
Alien is not talking only about Alien as a monster. Scott brought amazing director skills to that movie. If not Scott
Alien wouldn't have been such a great film. Just a cog wouldn't have achieved that. Period.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Mar 18, 2017, 07:23:41 AM
Don't forget Ronald Shussett's couch, which he offered to Dan, to sleep on, after Dan went broke following the financial disaster for him that was Dark Star, and Ron's fast food and hotdogs to sustain Dan while he wrote the B-script. :)
Shussett came up with the face-hugging, so there's that.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 18, 2017, 10:00:55 AM
I have said that he wasn't just a cog but essential part of the machine next to O'Bannonr/Shusett, Giller/Hill and Giger. Pay attention please.
Cogs are equally important. If one breaks the others don't function properly. If you have a row of equally important people then they're all cogs in a great machine. Pay attention please.
QuoteAnd talking about Alien is not talking about Alien as a monster.
You made a point of Scott getting Giger onboard, I responded to it.
QuoteScott brought amazing director skills to that movie.
Unquestionably.
He also brought some terrible story ideas, but luckily he wasn't "Sir Ridley Scott" back then so people could say "no" to him.
QuoteIf not Scott Alien wouldn't be such a great film.
If not for O'Bannon, if not for Shussett if not for Hill, if not for Giler, if not for Cobb, if not for Giger, etc. Remove any of those parts and the movie doesn't exist as we know it.
QuoteJust a cog wouldn't achieve that. Period.
You're getting awfully offended and assuming the term cog is being used as some kind of insult. Calm down. Would you prefer "link in a chain"?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2017, 10:06:13 AM
QuoteIf not Scott Alien wouldn't be such a great film.
If not for O'Bannon, if not for Shussett if not for Hill, if not for Giler, if not for Cobb, if not for Giger, etc. Remove any of those parts and the movie doesn't exist as we know it.
Agree.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2017, 10:06:13 AM
QuoteJust a cog wouldn't achieve that. Period.
You're getting awfully offended and assuming the term cog is being used as some kind of insult. Calm down. Would you prefer "link in a chain"?
Because it's awfully inappropriate term. It's a bad metaphor. Cog can be a carpenter on the movie set. Scott, Giger and other
Alien fathers were essential part of that machine. Actually they were
that machine.
No they weren't; you still need the carpenters and set-painters and key grips and electricians and costumers. Scott, Giger etc. couldn't have made the movie without them.
The central point is, Scott was just one of several equally crucial individuals who made Alien what it is. He didn't "create" the Alien universe, and he wasn't the primary force behind the original. It was a collaborative effort.
Bringing him back guarantees some great visual storytelling, but it doesn't guarantee any of the other quality, flare, ingenuity, creativity and game-changing that made the original what it was. And damn do I think Prometheus alone proved that in spades.
Films are a collaborative medium, yes, but I'm with Ingwar on this one. RS was much more than just a cog/chain however you want to term it. He had the unifying vision, his storyboards got the budget increased. He was the one who fought tooth and claw with FOX to use Giger and get certain sets built; like the Space Jockey. He was behind the ground breaking way the film was shot and he made the call on Jerry Goldsmith's score. As Terry Rawlings said: 'no one is closer to the film than the director and editor.' So for me, along with Giger, Scott is the most important part of the Alien success story.
Personally, I will be surprised if we get more than 2 films following Covenant. I just don't think a general audience will have the appetite for more. It took 18 years to get the first 4 and despite them being well spread apart, there seemed to be quite a bit of general audience fatigue by Resurrection.
And again, Giger wouldn't be there without O'Bannon. And we wouldn't be here if Scott got his drunken "Hey, what if the Alien tore off Ripley's head and spoke with her voice?" idea. Or if O'Bannon got his chicken alien idea. Etc.
He was undeniably important. We wouldn't be here if he hadn't been involved, I'm sure of it. But it's way, way wrong to say he "created" or "started" the universe. His input was crucial to the execution of the idea, but not to the creation of the idea itself. And that's what we're missing now.
I agree with all of you lol Now staaaaap.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
And again, Giger wouldn't be there without O'Bannon. And we wouldn't be here if Scott got his drunken "Hey, what if the Alien tore off Ripley's head and spoke with her voice?" idea. Or if O'Bannon got his chicken alien idea. Etc.
He was undeniably important. We wouldn't be here if he hadn't been involved, I'm sure of it. But it's way, way wrong to say he "created" or "started" the universe. His input was crucial to the execution of the idea, but not to the creation of the idea itself. And that's what we're missing now.
I'm not denying the important contributions others made. As I said, film is a collaborative effort.
And I'm certainly not arguing RS was responsible for creating the Alien universe.
All I'm saying is, for me, along with Giger, Scott was the most important element in the films success. Giger gave Alien it's uniqueness. RS had the unifying vision.
f**k prequels. most of the times they are taking away of the excitement. if Covenant proves Shaw to be alive no suspense in Awakening if its indeed a prequel of the prequel. prequelception
Forgive me if anyone has already said this, but I'm not reading through 5+ pages of scarcely on-topic posts to weigh-in...
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Prometheus and Covenant are also the names of the ship in each movie, which means that Awakening could just as easily be another vessel, sent on some mission during the 10 year interim.
That would account for the order in which they're mentioned, the fact that he refers to Covenant by mission, not plot point, and the suggestion that it's a spoiler.
Could be a ship sent to intercept David, or perhaps a non-related expedition he stumbled upon, but I'd wager they ended up as test subjects either way...
Book or movie, it's gonna be pretty amusing abbreviating this thing as 'AA'. :D
We can acknowledge Ridley Scott's tremendously important and central contribution to Alien without downplaying it just because his current input is, shall we say, mixed at best (and I am far from thrilled with what is going on re: Covenant and future films).
It's like walking and chewing gum at the same time.
I'll laugh my nuts off if we get a prequel from a previous prequel.
This thread is hilarious.
lol Ridley is at the height of his career. His filmography post-Alien proves it was no fluke.
I love Ridley. He's a real visionary. But he talks some amount of shite.
Quote from: Bojo on Mar 18, 2017, 02:43:52 PM
I'll laugh my nuts off if we get a prequel from a previous prequel.
Ridley was answering a question in response to Shaw's involvement, right? So it's possible he is just saying that, like Covenant which we know opens with a scene that takes place BEFORE Prometheus, that includes a young Weyland, the sequel to Covenant may open with a scene that includes Shaw and takes place before Covenant but after Prometheus, and AWAKENING is really the sequel to COVENANT just it includes scene that takes place before it.
Just a possibility.
He probably just misspoke. The man has a ton on his mind, kind of like when he said Daniels isnt Ripleys daughter when clearly meant mother. Hence rendering 90% of this thread pointless
.i am definetaly up for that awekening movie. .i think shaw might be a major part of it. .i did not mind her chatacter in prometheus. .but then i also did not exactly care much what happened to her. .i don't blame noomi as an actress tho. . I think it was the script. . And i am one of those who loved that movie. .tho at the same time i am looking foeward to covenant even more and i think catherin waterston. .whom i have needed to warm up to a little. .seems like a very gooc choice the more i get to see of her in the trailers. . Still i am super curious about what happened to shaw. .and i feel a little sorry for noomi. .she sounded like she was hyper excited about her tole in the follow up to prometheus. .shame and now it seems she is hardly in it. .i am feeling even more sorry for her character. .poor shaw. .
. .i just have a feeling she's gonna be either dead or dying. .either murdered by david or a geniu pig for his nasfarious experimintations with black goo and alien wildlife on paradise. .she might not have recovered fully from the impegnation in prometheus. .perhaps cuddles was only her first born and her womb is now prepped for some mass production wich david takes full advantage of. .
. . And david has an odd way of thinking. .he might infact think in his twisted programmed mind that he is doing her a huge and hounarable service and favour. .he's always seemed a bit nuts in that regard. .so when u have a mad simphetic thats nuts about you. . That does not nessasarily mean it's gonna do you any good. .david lacks empathy. .
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 18, 2017, 06:41:38 PM
He probably just misspoke. The man has a ton on his mind, kind of like when he said Daniels isnt Ripleys daughter when clearly meant mother. Hence rendering 90% of this thread pointless
Yeah. It's true this may be the case - but he always does this stuff. The percentage of what ends up being accurate - That's another story!
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 18, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
lol Ridley is at the height of his career. His filmography post-Alien proves it was no fluke.
^
So if the order of movies are as Ridley Scott has described, then that means that Alien: Covenant is actually Prometheus 3 and that Alien: Awakening is the true Prometheus 2 >:(
FIVE YEARS AWAITING FOR PROMETHEUS 2 ONLY TO FIND OUT ITS ACTUALLY PROMETHEUS 3, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN MAKE ALIEN: AWAKENING IF ALIEN COVENANT UNDER PERFORMS!
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 18, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
So if the order of movies are as Ridley Scott has described, then that means that Alien: Covenant is actually Prometheus 3 and that Alien: Awakening is the true Prometheus 2 >:(
FIVE YEARS AWAITING FOR PROMETHEUS 2 ONLY TO FIND OUT ITS ACTUALLY PROMETHEUS 3, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN MAKE ALIEN: AWAKENING IF ALIEN COVENANT UNDER PERFORMS!
Well now I really do hope Alien: Covenant is Prometheus 3.
This reaction is gold.
If Covenant really is Prometheus 3, and Awakening is Prometheus 2, I will laugh my ass off. :laugh:
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 18, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
So if the order of movies are as Ridley Scott has described, then that means that Alien: Covenant is actually Prometheus 3 and that Alien: Awakening is the true Prometheus 2 >:(
FIVE YEARS AWAITING FOR PROMETHEUS 2 ONLY TO FIND OUT ITS ACTUALLY PROMETHEUS 3, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN MAKE ALIEN: AWAKENING IF ALIEN COVENANT UNDER PERFORMS!
and the problem is?
perhaps awakening will be the story abouut shaw and her yourney inbetween prometheus and covenant as told by david. .and the movie will take place after covenant but it will be david telling some character in awakening all about shaw and it will be mostly flashbacks. .and the story will then switch over to awakening and the events of covenant and all that happened to shaw might have some bearing on the current situation daniels or whoever are in. .
It is all very clever marketing
Awakening "slip", Waterston "shh you are giving away too much", "Shaw is in Covenant .. well, sort of; she is instrumental part of what David did", working sketch of Shaw head growing out of bio-mechanical 'body', ....
Just keeps you guessing, speculating and -- wanting to see the movie :)
Another curiosity left for speculation: Where do the eggs come from? In Aliens it was the "queen", in Covenant? Someone that was "instrumental part of what David did" perhaps?
. .but what came first?. .the egg or the chicken. .or in this case the facehugger. .really curious how ridley and the writers pulls it of in the absence of a queen. . Unless shaw reluctantly becomes a queen of sorts. .?
Quote from: juxtapose on Mar 18, 2017, 10:07:45 PM
. .but what came first?. .the egg or the chicken. .or in this case the facehugger. .really curious how ridley and the writers pulls it of in the absence of a queen. . Unless shaw reluctantly becomes a queen of sorts. .?
I'm thinking that's what has happened to her. I can't think of any other way for David to get those eggs.
. .i would kinda enjoy if shaw becomes the queen. .it's morbidly facinating. . .lol
"Queen Shaw" has been speculated for a long time.
I still don't see it happening if you look at her entire story. Shaw is survivor, strong, scientist with faith. Tendency for positive characters is to always have some sort of happy ending ... not to end her quest to meet her maker by becoming Alien hybrid. Just doesn't feel right.
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 18, 2017, 11:25:39 PM
"Queen Shaw" has been speculated for a long time.
I still don't see it happening if you look at her entire story. Shaw is survivor, strong, scientist with faith. Tendency for positive characters is to always have some sort of happy ending ... not to end her quest to meet her maker by becoming Alien hybrid. Just doesn't feel right.
I dont see how that logic applies to the Alien universe.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 18, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 18, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
So if the order of movies are as Ridley Scott has described, then that means that Alien: Covenant is actually Prometheus 3 and that Alien: Awakening is the true Prometheus 2 >:(
FIVE YEARS AWAITING FOR PROMETHEUS 2 ONLY TO FIND OUT ITS ACTUALLY PROMETHEUS 3, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN MAKE ALIEN: AWAKENING IF ALIEN COVENANT UNDER PERFORMS!
and the problem is?
Well I wouldn't necessarily say its a problem, many were excited for the Alien Prequel only to find that Prometheus wasn't a direct prequel that told of the space jockey and the derelict on LV-426 but rather a side story about another derelict ship that crashed.
Despite of its flaws many were eager to see DR Shaw's journey to paradise in the sequel. A movie that may not even happen, leaving Prometheus and Alien: Covenant without clarity.
From not exactly a full Alien Prequel to not exactly Prometheus 2 it almost seems like they're making up as they go along. Just hope these film don't end up being glorified teaser for other movie that may or may not ever happen.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 18, 2017, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 18, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
So if the order of movies are as Ridley Scott has described, then that means that Alien: Covenant is actually Prometheus 3 and that Alien: Awakening is the true Prometheus 2 >:(
FIVE YEARS AWAITING FOR PROMETHEUS 2 ONLY TO FIND OUT ITS ACTUALLY PROMETHEUS 3, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN MAKE ALIEN: AWAKENING IF ALIEN COVENANT UNDER PERFORMS!
Well now I really do hope Alien: Covenant is Prometheus 3.
This reaction is gold.
'As Hudson after Bishop does the knife trick on him'
"BIshop! That wasn't funny man."
Quote from: juxtapose on Mar 18, 2017, 10:22:51 PM
. .i would kinda enjoy if shaw becomes the queen. .it's morbidly facinating. . .lol
I would hate to see it happen to her though because I really Shaw, but like you, there's something that intrigues me about the notion.
Regarding the Queen-Shaw theory floating around.
heard a fascinating defense for the idea of Shaw becoming the Alien Queen, at first it may sound ridiculous, on the other hand its a bold, deep allegorical concept, Shaw who in her youth lost her MOTHER & FATHER, and had long sought out the truth of GOD/Holy Father/ Parents/Creator/Engineers.
We learn that she being barron cannot have children, she can never be MOTHER, through the circumstances of Prometheus and being impregnated with the trilobyte she's metaphorically a virgin Mary. Odd analogy but still part of religious themes Prometheus alludes to.
Through the course of Alien Awakening in her search for answers, finding our Creator, finding GOD, David use the Engineer mutigen/ variant of black goo to transform Shaw. Her mutation has evolved her past the point of being human, she's obtained the power of a GOD/ Creator/ Parent, She is now a MOTHER/ She is the Alien QUEEN. Quite the irony for her loss of parents, search for answers seeking our creators, humanity's parents, only to become such herself.
To be honest though, and I really don't want this to be the case because it would be such a waste, I think that Shaw's a gonner. Hopefully that isn't the case.
Queen/Shaw is the "how do I resurrect Aerith" Final Fantasy myth of this board.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 18, 2017, 06:41:38 PM
He probably just misspoke. The man has a ton on his mind, kind of like when he said Daniels isnt Ripleys daughter when clearly meant mother. Hence rendering 90% of this thread pointless
Exactly. Ridley just loves to talk, and it can't be taken too firmly or seriously.
My theory is the eggs may literally be Shaw's eggs. She might 'birth' them, so to speak. The we have 2000 more people/embryos on the Covenant, half will be women. So there is possibly 1000 more egg layers on board the Covenant. That may be where the Alien Derelict eggs have come from. Just a theory.
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 19, 2017, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 18, 2017, 11:25:39 PM
"Queen Shaw" has been speculated for a long time.
I still don't see it happening if you look at her entire story. Shaw is survivor, strong, scientist with faith. Tendency for positive characters is to always have some sort of happy ending ... not to end her quest to meet her maker by becoming Alien hybrid. Just doesn't feel right.
I dont see how that logic applies to the Alien universe.
it does. It is movie industry rule of which Alien universe is not different. You must feel good when you get out of theater because good guys won the day. I.e. Ripley, even when she died in Alien 3, won because she took chestburster with her to flames. Female lead in Alien versus Predator (can't remember name) survives and even gets 'friends' --sort of-- with Predator. Shaw clearly wins the day in Prometheus. Etc.
To turn her into giant martyr and 'mother' of Alien race just doesn't fit the pattern. Total speculation of course, but if she does indeed 'meet her maker' in Covenant it will be satisfying, calm end that at least at some level answers her quest -- not some unspeakable nightmare.
Good luck with that, dude.
love how people are calling her queen shaw. .or what about queen elizabeth?!. .
It's really intriguing! He seems to have a plan for the next step so I definitely want to see that!
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 19, 2017, 02:29:51 AM
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 19, 2017, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: paradiselost on Mar 18, 2017, 11:25:39 PM
"Queen Shaw" has been speculated for a long time.
I still don't see it happening if you look at her entire story. Shaw is survivor, strong, scientist with faith. Tendency for positive characters is to always have some sort of happy ending ... not to end her quest to meet her maker by becoming Alien hybrid. Just doesn't feel right.
I dont see how that logic applies to the Alien universe.
it does. It is movie industry rule of which Alien universe is not different. You must feel good when you get out of theater because good guys won the day. I.e. Ripley, even when she died in Alien 3, won because she took chestburster with her to flames. Female lead in Alien versus Predator (can't remember name) survives and even gets 'friends' --sort of-- with Predator. Shaw clearly wins the day in Prometheus. Etc.
To turn her into giant martyr and 'mother' of Alien race just doesn't fit the pattern. Total speculation of course, but if she does indeed 'meet her maker' in Covenant it will be satisfying, calm end that at least at some level answers her quest -- not some unspeakable nightmare.
Well, we seem to be between - Queen Elizabeth Shaw, or her just being murdered by DAVID so ... Its not looking good for her.
According to the Article, Waterston said the following regarding Shaw -
Scott was asked about SHAW's inclusion -
"Yes, in a way," he said, confirming she'll be in the film. "Not fully, but in a way. She was integral to what David carried out later."
Based on those comments it would appear David did something to her or used her in some way that will prove to be a central plot point as far as what David has been up to since we last saw him.
You'll see!" Waterston added. "There are certain things you don't want to know. You don't want to know that!"
That says to me, that this is a "character reveal" - a moment in the script where important info is revealed about a character. In some cases its even a plot point - and would insinuate that this is something at least somewhat substantial to the development of the plot of the film.
"She is integral to what David carried out later." That has to refer to his experiments.
Its rather discouraging to feel less excitement for the movie that's about to be released and more for that may or may not be made after.
Hoping Alien Covenant is great but I can't help that David and Shaw's arrival upon paradise and David's extermination of the engineers we can presume via neomorph experiments feels like a more of intriguing movie.
Here's hoping that Ridley actually does a movie portraying the LV-426 crash. Its debated amoung fans, some that don't care to see it portrayed on film and others who are dying for that part of Alien's story to be told on film.
I *LOVE* that people are actually disappointed, perhaps even angry, about a prequel movie that nobody has actually said is being made. ;D
I have to agree. It is kind of amusing. Keep your pants on, folks. :)
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 19, 2017, 07:19:33 PM
I *LOVE* that people are actually disappointed, perhaps even angry, about a prequel movie that nobody has actually said is being made. ;D
Or even better, beeing disappointed or perhaps angry about a movie nobody has even seen... :P
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 19, 2017, 07:19:33 PM
I *LOVE* that people are actually disappointed, perhaps even angry, about a prequel movie that nobody has actually said is being made. ;D
Its more confusing over making a set of movie in a randomize order. Seems a tad chaotic. Another worry is that should Alien: Covenant fair poorly at the box office the rest of the series installments would be canceled for an indefinite amount of time leaving no resolution to Prometheus, Alien Covenant making them rather redundant in retrospect.
Even James Cameron, on hearing of Ridley's new prequels/ sequels, glanced up from his re-write of Avatar 5...and muttered, "Dude...You have GOT to be f**kING KIDDING ME..."
@XENOMORPHOSIS
"Its more confusing over making a set of movie in a randomize order. Seems a tad chaotic."
My point though was that this order you speak of ... doesn't exist.
Okay, let's just nail this.
Where is the confirmation that there's a film coming set between Prometheus and Covenant?
(there isn't)
What there is however are comments made in press junkets which people are imbuing with unsupported speculation. We have no idea.
And yet this non existent movie, and it's non existent intermediate order, are "chaotic"? Something is certainly chaotic, but it's this thread and the rampant (I'd go as far as) hysteria.
;D
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 19, 2017, 09:19:49 PM
@XENOMORPHOSIS
"Its more confusing over making a set of movie in a randomize order. Seems a tad chaotic."
My point though was that this order you speak of ... doesn't exist.
Okay, let's just nail this.
Where is the confirmation that there's a film coming set between Prometheus and Covenant?
(there isn't)
What there is however are comments made in press junkets which people are imbuing with unsupported speculation. We have no idea.
And yet this non existent movie, and it's non existent intermediate order, are "chaotic"? Something is certainly chaotic, but it's this thread and the rampant (I'd go as far as) hysteria.
;D
At the press junket he stated the movies are as follows, Prometheus, Awakening, Covenant. Being set between these 2 films it'll bridge the gap transitioning Shaw's journey and David remaining the only apparent survivor on paradise. https://www.fandango.com/movie-news/how-noomi-rapace-will-return-for-alien-covenant-plus-at-least-four-more-alien-movies-in-the-works-752049
The movie Alien: Awakening as of yet only exists in a script form. Are you surprise by how fans have are taken to the course of the series, Alien 3 a production nightmare resulting in a let down which has retained a cult following, all the subsequent film many regard as substandard. Its not out of the question Fox executives favoured the more Alien centric Covenant choosing it over Awakening.
...so Alan Dean Foster's prequel novel is going to be...?
...not coming out? ::)
Alien La La Land...
David used Shaw's eggs to create Alien eggs.
Quote from: Alien Runner on Mar 19, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
David used Shaw's eggs to create Alien eggs.
I thought Shaw was barren...
There is no way that they're making an interquel between Prometheus and Covenant.
Awakening is probably the name of the direct sequel, especially since we know that the ending is
Spoiler
a cliffhanger where David has hidden Xenos among thousands of colonists in cryosleep.
Ridley misspoke.
Maybe he's waiting to make his 'Godfather 2' in the Alien Universe...In which case he can do both... ;)
Quote from: Glaive on Mar 19, 2017, 08:58:04 PM
Even James Cameron, on hearing of Ridley's new prequels/ sequels, glanced up from his re-write of Avatar 5...and muttered, "Dude...You have GOT to be f**kING KIDDING ME..."
He said something to the effect of "Is there any validity to (making an ALIEN movie) it anymore? I dunno. Jury's out."
This, coming from a guy who is making 4 AVATAR sequels. He seems to be projecting. Perhaps he is just upset more people want him to make an ALIEN movie than even 1 of those AVATAR sequels. Sorry James.
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 19, 2017, 09:19:49 PM
@XENOMORPHOSIS
"Its more confusing over making a set of movie in a randomize order. Seems a tad chaotic."
My point though was that this order you speak of ... doesn't exist.
Okay, let's just nail this.
Where is the confirmation that there's a film coming set between Prometheus and Covenant?
(there isn't)
What there is however are comments made in press junkets which people are imbuing with unsupported speculation. We have no idea.
And yet this non existent movie, and it's non existent intermediate order, are "chaotic"? Something is certainly chaotic, but it's this thread and the rampant (I'd go as far as) hysteria.
;D
Its worth noting that Ridley DID say that "It will take one more after this before we clockwise go into the back door of Alien." to paraphrase.
But he has said numberous times that this is the first in a trilogy. So him saying AWAKENING comes before COVENANT is also supported by this "ONE MORE BEFORE" comment. Chronology can be affected in any number of ways.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 19, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
At the press junket he stated the movies are as follows, Prometheus, Awakening, Covenant. Being set between these 2 films it'll bridge the gap transitioning Shaw's journey and David remaining the only apparent survivor on paradise. https://www.fandango.com/movie-news/how-noomi-rapace-will-return-for-alien-covenant-plus-at-least-four-more-alien-movies-in-the-works-752049
That's not what he said for definite, it looks like just the 3 names in the wrong order, and it's also not what fandango are saying in the article, they don't know. And that's my point. They are the source for this, and they aren't saying what you are claiming.
QuoteWhile those answers all seemed like they came in pieces, what we got out of it was that there may be another Alien movie called Alien: Awakening, and it may either come after the events of Covenant or between Prometheus and Covenant. And that the next one would complete a trilogy, at which time Scott has another three Alien films in his mind.
We don't know. On that basis, it's very unlikely Ridley would be making a prequel between the two film he's (relatively speaking) just made. Makes no sense.
Why do a film that fills in information that will be in reality inferred in Coventant or briefly explained/shown?
What a kerfuffle over nothing.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 19, 2017, 11:09:33 PM
Its worth noting that Ridley DID say that "It will take one more after this before we clockwise go into the back door of Alien." to paraphrase.
But he has said numberous times that this is the first in a trilogy. So him saying AWAKENING comes before COVENANT is also supported by this "ONE MORE BEFORE" comment. Chronology can be affected in any number of ways.
It will take one more AFTER THIS (covenant) before we clockwise go into the back door of Alien. That's just saying he's doing one more film before either we reach Alien or he does his potential 3 additional films (I doubt it).
This quote looks like he's saying there's another film to come, after Covenant.
Sir Ridley said: "IF makes money, then...."
He ONLY is playing ALL of his options.
If ALIEN: COVENANT(3D) is like a flop, Sir Ridley said I don't care and he returns to his others 5 OR 6 HUGE projects.
ALL of these is speculation, He is only BEING HONEST.
You can't take any of this seriously. He has too much going on to say what he will do next. This article from the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/17/tom-hardy-ridley-scott-war-party-netflix-andrew-dominik points to Scott producing a war movie starring Tom Hardy and Scott possibly doing a sequel to Gladiator. And who knows what else he might find to fill his schedule? Whatever he says in this promotional press junket, it seems somewhat unlikely that he will spit out yet another Alien movie next year. His interest could shift with the wind.
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 20, 2017, 01:09:42 AM
Sir Ridley said: "IF makes money, then...."
He ONLY is playing ALL of his options.
If ALIEN: COVENANT(3D) is like a flop, Sir Ridley said I don't care and he returns to his others 5 OR 6 HUGE projects.
ALL of these is speculation, He is only BEING HONEST.
If Covenant flops, I hope the next head of Fox resumes making Prometheus sequels.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 18, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
lol Ridley is at the height of his career. His filmography post-Alien proves it was no fluke.
Patronization, again. Stop prefacing everything you type with lol. Scott hasn't got an unblemished career. Sure, he's had some great films but he's also had stinkers.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
And again, Giger wouldn't be there without O'Bannon. And we wouldn't be here if Scott got his drunken "Hey, what if the Alien tore off Ripley's head and spoke with her voice?" idea. Or if O'Bannon got his chicken alien idea. Etc.
He was undeniably important. We wouldn't be here if he hadn't been involved, I'm sure of it. But it's way, way wrong to say he "created" or "started" the universe. His input was crucial to the execution of the idea, but not to the creation of the idea itself. And that's what we're missing now.
Indeed. I think Ingwar took too much offense to the term cog but SiL is not wrong. Scott was just one in a group collaboration that made Alien truly great - something that people forget and in my opinion, that shows in Prometheus.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 19, 2017, 01:55:28 AM
My theory is the eggs may literally be Shaw's eggs. She might 'birth' them, so to speak. The we have 2000 more people/embryos on the Covenant, half will be women. So there is possibly 1000 more egg layers on board the Covenant. That may be where the Alien Derelict eggs have come from. Just a theory.
I'm so scared this is the route that Scott is going to go. It just feels like another element of shrinking the size of the Alien universe.
Quote from: Glaive on Mar 19, 2017, 10:08:28 PM
...so Alan Dean Foster's prequel novel is going to be...?
...not coming out? ::)
Hopefully not. ADF hasn't mentioned anything about that.
In regards to all this inbetweenquel and title - it'd make more sense that Ridley simply misspoke with the order. It seems like a really odd release choice and seems like it may confuse the general public and that'd be a mad move to take. Hopefully we'll get some clearer information on the matter soon.
Yeah, I am 50% convinced the Covenant is heading for LV-426.
I think that and frankly most of the plot of AC is just diminishing Alien, its universe and its enduring mystery.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 20, 2017, 09:38:00 AM
Yeah, I am 50% convinced the Covenant is heading for LV-426.
Does that mean the Covenant crew is the colony from Aliens?
He means that the colonists are eggmorphed to become to the contents of the Derelict's hold.
I'll be very curious what this spores/neomorph "explanation" will be. Humans being morphed into eggs, or laying eggs, I can fathom, but my imagination can't figure out how David somehow tinkered with spores to make similar creatures?
Doesn't really make sense though, they would presumably need to be eggmorphed in situ, as opposed to moved onto a croissant mid-morph.
Dallas was egg-morphing stuck to a wall wasn't he? Looks like a messy business.
The problem I have with LV 426 being a destination for Covenant is that although it made sense in the 80s and terraforming is a cool idea, it doesn't make sense they'd spend all that money to make an inhabitable planet habitable again when there are clearly much better places to colonise and even now we are seeing exoplanets that look to be close to Earth and habitable. Perhaps someone can help me out here, is a dead rock like LV 426 of strategic importance or is it just a case that WY sent them there because they knew of the Juggernaut and so the colonists didn't ask any questions? Does WY just go around terraforming planets just because they can?
Quote from: Protozoid on Mar 20, 2017, 02:29:28 AM
If Covenant flops, I hope the next head of Fox resumes making Prometheus sequels.
If Covenant flops, it's probably the last Alien movie for a long time. I expect the movie will do all right with worldwide sales, but Life may steal some of its thunder.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 20, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: Protozoid on Mar 20, 2017, 02:29:28 AM
If Covenant flops, I hope the next head of Fox resumes making Prometheus sequels.
If Covenant flops, it's probably the last Alien movie for a long time. I expect the movie will do all right with worldwide sales, but Life may steal some of its thunder.
Agreed. Prometheus made a lot of money but I think, in the subsequent years, it became clear to Fox that a direct sequel without xenos would not attract the same business. I have a feeling A:C will do really well but who knows how well it has to do to let Scott make several more?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2017, 09:13:09 AMScott hasn't got an unblemished career. Sure, he's had some great films but he's also had stinkers.
Yeah, I love it when people act like he's never made a bad movie, because his career's had a few missteps.
He's unquestionably made some masterpieces, but he's not unimpeachable.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2017, 09:13:09 AMIn regards to all this inbetweenquel and title - it'd make more sense that Ridley simply misspoke with the order. It seems like a really odd release choice and seems like it may confuse the general public and that'd be a mad move to take. Hopefully we'll get some clearer information on the matter soon.
To be honest, I give up trying to decipher Ridley's Riddles. He always seems to come out with some nonsensical, indecipherable stuff in his
Alien interviews these days :laugh:
One of the reason I'm not putting too much stock in this. Still, I can't deny it's interesting to hear.
Quote from: neomorpheus on Mar 20, 2017, 11:35:38 AM
The problem I have with LV 426 being a destination for Covenant is that although it made sense in the 80s and terraforming is a cool idea, it doesn't make sense they'd spend all that money to make an inhabitable planet habitable again when there are clearly much better places to colonise and even now we are seeing exoplanets that look to be close to Earth and habitable. Perhaps someone can help me out here, is a dead rock like LV 426 of strategic importance or is it just a case that WY sent them there because they knew of the Juggernaut and so the colonists didn't ask any questions? Does WY just go around terraforming planets just because they can?
LV-426 was colonized because it had mineral wealth. It's a mining colony, not a holiday resort.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 20, 2017, 12:30:08 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2017, 09:13:09 AMScott hasn't got an unblemished career. Sure, he's had some great films but he's also had stinkers.
Yeah, I love it when people act like he's never made a bad movie, because his career's had a few missteps.
He's unquestionably made some masterpieces, but he's not unimpeachable.
He's made some decidedly underwhelming films but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "stinkers" though. :laugh:
A "stinker" to me would be something like AVP: Requiem. Something that's totally un-watchable.
Sir Ridley Scott still is in HIS PRIME.
Maybe NOT in ALIEN films but yes in other films.
THE MARTIAN(3D)(2015) was the biggest success of his life and he still has close relationships with THE BIGGEST movie stars in this world: Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hardy, Matt Damon, Michael Fassbender, Christian Bale, Russell Crowe, Natalie Portman, etc....
'kay. :I
Who knows if this guy is even still alive for a second and third one.
Don't talk, deliver.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 20, 2017, 04:51:13 PMHe's made some decidedly underwhelming films but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "stinkers" though. :laugh:
A "stinker" to me would be something like AVP: Requiem. Something that's totally un-watchable.
Fair point, but
Robin Hood was pretty sleep-inducing.
Also there's probably a reason
1942: Conquest of Paradise is literally impossible to get on home video.
I never saw it, but wasn't
Exodus: Gods and Kings meant to be pretty terrible?
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 20, 2017, 05:00:32 PMSir Ridley Scott still is in HIS PRIME.
Maybe NOT in ALIEN films but yes in other films.
THE MARTIAN(3D)(2015) was the biggest success of his life and he still has close relationships with THE BIGGEST movie stars in this world: Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hardy, Matt Damon, Michael Fassbender, Christian Bale, Russell Crowe, Natalie Portman, etc....
Prior to
The Martian I'm not sure he'd made a truly great film since
Kingdom of Heaven, and even then the theatrical version was a mess.
I realize this is going to go largely ignored - but I really think, that the sequential order Scott mentioned was ONLY IN REFERENCE to SHAW.
Like maybe in a flashback in the sequel to COVENANT, or in an opening scene, similar to Weyland creating David in this film.
If you read the quotes, that does make some sense out of it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 20, 2017, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 20, 2017, 04:51:13 PMHe's made some decidedly underwhelming films but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "stinkers" though. :laugh:
A "stinker" to me would be something like AVP: Requiem. Something that's totally un-watchable.
Fair point, but Robin Hood was pretty sleep-inducing.
Also there's probably a reason 1942: Conquest of Paradise is literally impossible to get on home video.
I never saw it, but wasn't Exodus: Gods and Kings meant to be pretty terrible?
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 20, 2017, 05:00:32 PMSir Ridley Scott still is in HIS PRIME.
Maybe NOT in ALIEN films but yes in other films.
THE MARTIAN(3D)(2015) was the biggest success of his life and he still has close relationships with THE BIGGEST movie stars in this world: Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hardy, Matt Damon, Michael Fassbender, Christian Bale, Russell Crowe, Natalie Portman, etc....
Prior to The Martian I'm not sure he'd made a truly great film since Kingdom of Heaven, and even then the theatrical version was a mess.
After Kingdom of Heaven, I love AMERICAN GANGSTER. I think is really underrated.
After AMERICAN GANGSTER, he directed the interesting THE COUNSELOR. I recommend those 2.
I've seen them. American Gangster was certainly a very well-made film but ultimately I thought it was really pretty forgettable, especially considering the talent involved. The Counsellor was likewise kinda bland and fell well short of what you'd expect from the names attached..
So I maintain that he hasn't made a great film since Kingdom of Heaven other than The Martian.
If we're cataloguing Sir Rid's hits and misses, I feel it's my duty once again to jump in and champion Thelma & Louise, which is so often forgotten on this forum.
...and to remind everybody that, loved though it may be, Legend really is a dog. :P
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 20, 2017, 09:46:59 PMIf we're cataloguing Sir Rid's hits and misses, I feel it's my duty once again to jump in and champion Thelma & Louise, which is so often forgotten on this forum.
Love that film :)
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 20, 2017, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 20, 2017, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 20, 2017, 04:51:13 PMHe's made some decidedly underwhelming films but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "stinkers" though. :laugh:
A "stinker" to me would be something like AVP: Requiem. Something that's totally un-watchable.
Fair point, but Robin Hood was pretty sleep-inducing.
Also there's probably a reason 1942: Conquest of Paradise is literally impossible to get on home video.
I never saw it, but wasn't Exodus: Gods and Kings meant to be pretty terrible?
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 20, 2017, 05:00:32 PMSir Ridley Scott still is in HIS PRIME.
Maybe NOT in ALIEN films but yes in other films.
THE MARTIAN(3D)(2015) was the biggest success of his life and he still has close relationships with THE BIGGEST movie stars in this world: Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hardy, Matt Damon, Michael Fassbender, Christian Bale, Russell Crowe, Natalie Portman, etc....
Prior to The Martian I'm not sure he'd made a truly great film since Kingdom of Heaven, and even then the theatrical version was a mess.
After Kingdom of Heaven, I love AMERICAN GANGSTER. I think is really underrated.
After AMERICAN GANGSTER, he directed the interesting THE COUNSELOR. I recommend those 2.
You like Hoodlum? an older movie from 1997 with Fishburne and Roth, i havent seen American Gangster lately but i did see Hoodlum and i liked it a lot for some reason.
Hoodlum was quite good.
Directed by Bill Duke aka Mac from Predator!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 20, 2017, 10:18:51 PM
Hoodlum was quite good.
Directed by Bill Duke aka Mac from Predator!
Oh i didnt know that, awesome.
Yes pretty good movie, great actors and story is done very good, i think that movie is really underrated.
Thelma & Louise is def one of his best. 8)
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 20, 2017, 06:55:15 PM
I realize this is going to go largely ignored - but I really think, that the sequential order Scott mentioned was ONLY IN REFERENCE to SHAW.
Like maybe in a flashback in the sequel to COVENANT, or in an opening scene, similar to Weyland creating David in this film.
If you read the quotes, that does make some sense out of it.
It only matters if the movie actually gets made and it's made from what is already written. I'd be surprised if it works out that way.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 20, 2017, 09:46:59 PMIf we're cataloguing Sir Rid's hits and misses, I feel it's my duty once again to jump in and champion Thelma & Louise, which is so often forgotten on this forum.
Love that film :)
I recommend you his first film THE DUELLISTS. Masterpiece. Incredible for a first time Director.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 20, 2017, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 20, 2017, 04:51:13 PMHe's made some decidedly underwhelming films but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "stinkers" though. :laugh:
A "stinker" to me would be something like AVP: Requiem. Something that's totally un-watchable.
Fair point, but Robin Hood was pretty sleep-inducing.
Also there's probably a reason 1942: Conquest of Paradise is literally impossible to get on home video.
I never saw it, but wasn't Exodus: Gods and Kings meant to be pretty terrible?
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 20, 2017, 05:00:32 PMSir Ridley Scott still is in HIS PRIME.
Maybe NOT in ALIEN films but yes in other films.
THE MARTIAN(3D)(2015) was the biggest success of his life and he still has close relationships with THE BIGGEST movie stars in this world: Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hardy, Matt Damon, Michael Fassbender, Christian Bale, Russell Crowe, Natalie Portman, etc....
Prior to The Martian I'm not sure he'd made a truly great film since Kingdom of Heaven, and even then the theatrical version was a mess.
I recently picked this up for $1 at my local flea market. So it moves at a snail's pace, huh?
The Duellists, Alien, Blade Runner, Someone to Watch Over Me, Thelma & Louise, White Squall, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Matchstick Men, Kingdom of Heaven, American Gangster, Body of Lies, Prometheus, The Counselor, The Martian...
...anybody who thinks that Scott is hit or miss hasn't counted his hits. I actually think that 1492: Conquest of Paradise has some of Scott's finest moments in it. It still might be the most beautifully photographed movie I've ever seen, and the Paradise themes are super relevant to Covenant. I didn't care for Robin Hood. Legend is a hot mess but it does have interesting things about it. Hannibal had some tasty moments. A Good Year is alright but not my cup of tea. Exodus was mixed but I would be very interested to see the full-length version with the missing 90 minutes. The Counselor might be the most controversial one: considered his worst, I would argue that it's his best. It has a growing cult around it, including Guillermo del Toro, who has interesting things to say about it.
In my estimation, Scott has made some of the greatest films ever made, and most of his films are above average. His worst films (Legend? Black Rain? Hannibal? Robin Hood?) are still average. I would also argue that he's getting better, since his best movie (imo, The Counselor) and his biggest hit (The Martian) were both in the last four years.
The real problem is that people like to have knee-jerk reactions to movies, and Scott's movies take a few viewings before the knee-jerk reflect wears off and you can see what he's doing. Take Blade Runner. I think Kingdom of Heaven, Prometheus, and The Counselor are particularly likely to get the Blade Runner treatment later on. It's already happening with all three. Ever since the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven, that movie has enjoyed a pretty good revival. Prometheus has a huge following of its own. The Counselor has a smaller, but very loyal cult, and I think in the end it will be considered Scott's best film. It's like a more adult Blade Runner with the comic book elements removed.
Life and Covenant are nearly 2 months apart. I doubt there's gonna be much, if any, thunder stolen.
I smell a retcon in a future Alien film.
Quote from: ChaoticShadows on Mar 21, 2017, 05:31:35 AM
Life and Covenant are nearly 2 months apart. I doubt there's gonna be much, if any, thunder stolen.
How much appetite do you think there is for movies that can be summed up as "rapacious space monster eats people?" Probably one is enough for a whole year. Two is pushing the limit.
Life will suffer then, not Covenant.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2017, 10:27:38 AM
Life will suffer then, not Covenant.
Very true, and if anybody assumes different... Then they aren't playing with a full set of bocce balls.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 21, 2017, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2017, 10:27:38 AM
Life will suffer then, not Covenant.
Very true, and if anybody assumes different... Then they aren't playing with a full set of bocce balls.
::) What is the basis for your assessment?
Covenant has brand recognition and a fanbase.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2017, 12:01:11 PM
Covenant has brand recognition and a fanbase.
That's not exactly an ironclad guarantee of box office success. Alien is no Star Wars. It's not even Transformers, in terms of box office numbers or fan appeal.
There's never a guarantee for success, even Star Wars could flop but it's unlikely. Every Alien film has made back its money at the box office, but whether you judge it a success or not is debatable.
Quote from: Scorpio on Mar 21, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
There's never a guarantee for success, even Star Wars could flop but it's unlikely. Every Alien film has made back its money at the box office, but whether you judge it a success or not is debatable.
To me, a lot of the Alien movies have been disappointing. But the same can be said of Star Wars, Transformers, and so on. In context of this discussion, I think the Life movie could steal some of Covenant's thunder because themes are similar, Life cast may be more attractive to casual theater audience, and all the promos make the movie look fresher, more interesting, more worth a look. Lots of expensive-looking CG, too. This does not mean it will outperform Covenant. It only means Life does a lot of what Covenant promises to do, and maybe does some of it better. So far, Life is 88% on Rotten Tomatoes. But it's early. 8 critic reviews, no fan reviews. As with everything, we must wait to see how it actually unfolds.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 21, 2017, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2017, 12:01:11 PM
Covenant has brand recognition and a fanbase.
That's not exactly an ironclad guarantee of box office success. Alien is no Star Wars. It's not even Transformers, in terms of box office numbers or fan appeal.
Keep in mind that Covenant's production budget is more than twice that of Life. That means that the marketing budget will also be considerably bigger. So that is already almost a guaranteed box office win for Covenant vs Life, nevermind it's existing brand recognition.
However, Life may still end up being more successful if it does District 9 type numbers, since it will be a lot easier to recoup it's small budget. So Covenant could make more money but still lose out to Life if you know what I mean.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 21, 2017, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2017, 12:01:11 PM
Covenant has brand recognition and a fanbase.
That's not exactly an ironclad guarantee of box office success. Alien is no Star Wars. It's not even Transformers, in terms of box office numbers or fan appeal.
he didn't say it was a guarantee of box office success.
. .alien movies are scary. .or they meant to be at some level. .i never found them to be particularly scary. .just shocking. .but theirs that R rating that will never get them to perform as high as animated movies or star f**king wars. .omg i though the force awakens was the most over hyped shit i ever seen on the big screen. .i think i enjoyed avpr more. .those are family movies. .my kid wants to watch it. .but he cant go alone so i have to go with and take his sister with and take their friends with and becomes this whole family afair. .i am not even married. .i do not have kids. .but i know, i have plenty of friends and family that do. .thats why r rated movies will never perform that high at the box office. .
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 21, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
he didn't say it was a guarantee of box office success.
And?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2017, 04:59:08 PM
Keep in mind that Covenant's production budget is more than twice that of Life. That means that the marketing budget will also be considerably bigger. So that is already almost a guaranteed box office win for Covenant vs Life, nevermind it's existing brand recognition.
However, Life may still end up being more successful if it does District 9 type numbers, since it will be a lot easier to recoup it's small budget. So Covenant could make more money but still lose out to Life if you know what I mean.
My original assertion somewhere above was simply that Life could steal some of Covenant's thunder. Covenant is Alien's last gasp. It's a tired, screwed-up franchise. Prometheus did okay, but it did the franchise no favors. If Covenant fails, I think it's going to be a long time before we get another Alien film. So far, everything we've been shown says Covenant is more of what we've already seen. It's stale, and the mythology is increasingly goofy. Now, Life is clearly homage to Alien. But it looks great, has a cast of reasonably popular actors, and comes out first. With all that in mind, I agree with what you're saying. And none of this contradicts my original statement.
I can't wait to see how this gets misinterpreted.
No, YOU And?.
Yeah dude Life could make a billion bucks and Covenant could make 25 dollars but it's not likely that Life will undermine Covenant in any capacity. If anything people will just wait until Covenant to get their fix and skip Life.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 21, 2017, 06:57:44 PM
No, YOU And?.
Yeah dude Life could make a billion bucks and Covenant could make 25 dollars but it's not likely that Life will undermine Covenant in any capacity. If anything people will just wait until Covenant to get their fix and skip Life.
You're very defensive, dude. It's too bad my opinion conflicts with your worldview, but you have only emotion to support your position. Fact is, both are monster movies that pay homage to Alien, and they will be released within two months of each other. Neither shows any sign of being great. Both appeal most to the same segment of the audience. Life has a cast that is popular with casual movie audience and will be released at a time when the theater has few other attractions. The Covenant-related materials released so far have ranged in quality from underwhelming to good. The Life materials so far have been uniformly good. Life is a stand-alone movie while Covenant is a sequel to an ambiguously ill-defined prequel that relies on audience interest from other movies, especially Alien and Prometheus. To say Life can't possibly steal some thunder from Covenant or undermine Covenant seems disingenuous at best. Note: I have not made any ridiculous or outlandish claims, such as "Life will totally trounce Covenant at the box office." I made the one mild assertion that has caused surprising sourness and misunderstanding among a small but apparently polarized segment of the local population. Do you understand?
Alien: Covenant pays homage? It's an ALIEN MOVIE.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 21, 2017, 08:29:31 PM
Alien: Covenant pays homage? It's an ALIEN MOVIE.
You pick out one awkward phrase without refuting anything? ::) Safe to say, you lose.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 21, 2017, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 21, 2017, 06:57:44 PM
No, YOU And?.
Yeah dude Life could make a billion bucks and Covenant could make 25 dollars but it's not likely that Life will undermine Covenant in any capacity. If anything people will just wait until Covenant to get their fix and skip Life.
You're very defensive, dude. It's too bad my opinion conflicts with your worldview, but you have only emotion to support your position. Fact is, both are monster movies that pay homage to Alien, and they will be released within two months of each other. Neither shows any sign of being great. Both appeal most to the same segment of the audience. Life has a cast that is popular with casual movie audience and will be released at a time when the theater has few other attractions. The Covenant-related materials released so far have ranged in quality from underwhelming to good. The Life materials so far have been uniformly good. Life is a stand-alone movie while Covenant is a sequel to an ambiguously ill-defined prequel that relies on audience interest from other movies, especially Alien and Prometheus. To say Life can't possibly steal some thunder from Covenant or undermine Covenant seems disingenuous at best. Note: I have not made any ridiculous or outlandish claims, such as "Life will totally trounce Covenant at the box office." I made the one mild assertion that has caused surprising sourness and misunderstanding among a small but apparently polarized segment of the local population. Do you understand?
Actually, Life is bombing. It's expected to do ONLY 28 Millions this weekend.
PROMETHEUS(3D) did 40 Millions in its first week. ALIEN: COVENANT(3D) is going to do 45 Millions in its first week.
But I suppose you are NOT talking about money. EVERYONE knows that ALIEN: COVENANT(3D) is going to do MORE money than Life.
I suppose you are talking about critics. But 90% of people DON'T care about critics. That's why bad movies like TRANSFORMERS V or PIRATES 5 are going to do A LOT money like always.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 21, 2017, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2017, 12:01:11 PM
Covenant has brand recognition and a fanbase.
That's not exactly an ironclad guarantee of box office success. Alien is no Star Wars. It's not even Transformers, in terms of box office numbers or fan appeal.
Never said it was. You asked why we said
Life would lose out instead of
Covenant: simple answer, one has more anticipation behind it than the other. If people are that limited on monster on a spaceship movie tolerance, the relative unknown will lose to the returning champ.
Unlike Prometheus, I hope Covenant ends up as a self-contained film, that doesn't need a sequel to explain itself. So at least if it does tank at the box office, we will not be left in narrative limbo.
People moan about the Alien franchise being tired or creatively bankrupt, but I'd easily go for 6 more Alien films than just one more bloody superhero movie.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 21, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
My original assertion somewhere above was simply that Life could steal some of Covenant's thunder.
Fair enough, that's certainly possible but I don't think it would do so to any egregious degree.
QuoteCovenant is Alien's last gasp. It's a tired, screwed-up franchise. Prometheus did okay, but it did the franchise no favors. If Covenant fails, I think it's going to be a long time before we get another Alien film.
It's highly unlikely to bomb if that's what you're suggesting by "fail". At worst it might make slightly less than Prometheus.
QuoteI can't wait to see how this gets misinterpreted.
My original response was with regards to you questioning SiL's statement that Covenant will suffer because of Life when the reverse is in fact considerably more likely with it's much bigger marketing budget.
And enough with the attitude dude.
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 21, 2017, 09:19:14 PM
Actually, Life is bombing. It's expected to do ONLY 28 Millions this weekend.
So in three days it would already have made back half it's production budget? That's a pretty big bomb! :)
Life looks incredibly boring, granted I haven't seen it (and have no desire to).
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
And enough with the attitude dude.
::)
Quote from: Scorpio on Mar 21, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
Life looks incredibly boring, granted I haven't seen it (and have no desire to).
Ironically, I recently observed that younger people find Alien boring. They actually like AVP better. The sample group is small, but I found it interesting all the same.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
My original response was with regards to you questioning SiL's statement that Covenant will suffer because of Life when the reverse is in fact considerably more likely with it's much bigger marketing budget.
The real answer, and it was apparent all along, is that it can't be proved either way. There's no way to measure that particular effect in either direction.
Enough time wasted here.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 21, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
My original assertion somewhere above was simply that Life could steal some of Covenant's thunder.
Fair enough, that's certainly possible but I don't think it would do so to any egregious degree.
QuoteCovenant is Alien's last gasp. It's a tired, screwed-up franchise. Prometheus did okay, but it did the franchise no favors. If Covenant fails, I think it's going to be a long time before we get another Alien film.
It's highly unlikely to bomb if that's what you're suggesting by "fail". At worst it might make slightly less than Prometheus.
QuoteI can't wait to see how this gets misinterpreted.
My original response was with regards to you questioning SiL's statement that Covenant will suffer because of Life when the reverse is in fact considerably more likely with it's much bigger marketing budget.
And enough with the attitude dude.
Quote from: PierreVW on Mar 21, 2017, 09:19:14 PM
Actually, Life is bombing. It's expected to do ONLY 28 Millions this weekend.
So in three days it would already have made back half it's production budget? That's a pretty big bomb! :)
Everything this says.
I hope as long as i live they will continue to add to this rich story...colonists, scientists, soldiers, synthetics, aliens...keep it coming...i dont care how many times they recycle this stuff...i cant get enuff sci-fi suspense and carnage
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Mar 22, 2017, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
And enough with the attitude dude.
::)
Quote from: Scorpio on Mar 21, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
Life looks incredibly boring, granted I haven't seen it (and have no desire to).
Ironically, I recently observed that younger people find Alien boring. They actually like AVP better. The sample group is small, but I found it interesting all the same.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
My original response was with regards to you questioning SiL's statement that Covenant will suffer because of Life when the reverse is in fact considerably more likely with it's much bigger marketing budget.
The real answer, and it was apparent all along, is that it can't be proved either way. There's no way to measure that particular effect in either direction.
Enough time wasted here.
man its crazy you said that because me and my 10 year old watched the AVP movies and afterwards Alien and to my surprise he liked Alien better...he said simply the first movie was scary and the AVP movies were excessively gory
I like it alien awakening is the next chapter after alien covenant love the alien series aliens forever
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 17, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
This seems to support the idea that Shaw became one of David's test subjects.
On PARADISE, Shaw AND David are both 'ALIENS.' It makes sense if you think about it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
He means that the colonists are eggmorphed to become to the contents of the Derelict's hold.
Oh no. That would be dreadful.
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I don't know if they'd all get eggmorphed, but yes, my suspicion/fear is that the survivors of Covenant would head to LV-426 and suffer an unfortunate fate - leading to David's new creations being placed on the derelict juggernaut.
Rather demystifies Alien altogether, as opposed to Prometheus and its story which, while imperfect, at least preserved the larger vague mystery of the epic cataclysm that destroyed the Engineers and led to their dead being strewn across the galaxy on various planets like 223 or 426. We don't have to know everything to know that terrible things happened with their experiments thousands of years ago and something they created destroyed them, leaving their vicious weapons behind - which is what we essentially had been told for decades about the derelict from Alien. As opposed to, let's say, a renegade android planting the eggs there 20 years prior after cooking up some aliens and a fun summer bughunt.
What if, all David is doing is aiming to please the Elder creators (the true Gods), but they're unimpressed by some lowly android, so they destroy him and with their biomechanical know how make use of him and the colonists, load up their craft and take off to destroy all life beneath them, but alas they are taken down by some heroic survivor and thus crash land on 426.
;D
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 26, 2017, 02:38:29 AM
I don't know if they'd all get eggmorphed, but yes, my suspicion/fear is that the survivors of Covenant would head to LV-426 and suffer an unfortunate fate - leading to David's new creations being placed on the derelict juggernaut.
Rather demystifies Alien altogether, as opposed to Prometheus and its story which, while imperfect, at least preserved the larger vague mystery of the epic cataclysm that destroyed the Engineers and led to their dead being strewn across the galaxy on various planets like 223 or 426. We don't have to know everything to know that terrible things happened with their experiments thousands of years ago and something they created destroyed them, leaving their vicious weapons behind - which is what we essentially had been told for decades about the derelict from Alien. As opposed to, let's say, a renegade android planting the eggs there 20 years prior after cooking up some aliens and a fun summer bughunt.
My money is on them going to Colonize LV-223, since the Company is at least, aware of the fact that it is capable of sustaining life. It makes sense for them to send a colony ship there, as opposed to LV426. This then provides for the extra (Derelict) ship, to take off and crash on LV426 at the end of the next film. See? So the Company sends the Covenant ship to Colonize LV223, knowing at least SOME of what happened there during Prometheus, and they don't tell them about it - OR MAYBE SOMEONE KNOWS ABOUT IT, so then they land and x, y and z happens, and THEN, at the end, someone tries to escape in another Engineer ship (David piloting?) with a massive cargo of eggs (egg-morphed colonists?) and that ship ends up crashing on LV-426
AND, I HOPE EVERYTHING IM F'IN TYPING RIGHT NOW, IS COMPLETELY WRONG!
I can't see it being LV-223. I don't think there's anything suspicious going to be going off behind the intent of this colonization mission.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 27, 2017, 08:31:41 PMLV-223....is capable of sustaining life.
It isn't capable of sustaining life.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2017, 07:57:29 AMI don't think there's anything suspicious going to be going off behind the intent of this colonization mission.
The road to
Alien is paved with good intent.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2017, 07:57:29 AM
I can't see it being LV-223. I don't think there's anything suspicious going to be going off behind the intent of this colonization mission.
I sure hope not. What Riddles said about where they're going got me considering stuff. They've thus far skirted the 'too convenient' prequel-i-tis. With the exception of maybe the ship's crashing 10 times and landing identically. I hope it isn't LV426 either. That's even worse to me.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 27, 2017, 08:31:41 PMLV-223....is capable of sustaining life.
It isn't capable of sustaining life.
I'm quoting Holloway in Prometheus there. He says LV223 is a moon "capable of sustaining life."
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 26, 2017, 02:38:29 AM
I don't know if they'd all get eggmorphed, but yes, my suspicion/fear is that the survivors of Covenant would head to LV-426 and suffer an unfortunate fate - leading to David's new creations being placed on the derelict juggernaut.
Rather demystifies Alien altogether, as opposed to Prometheus and its story which, while imperfect, at least preserved the larger vague mystery of the epic cataclysm that destroyed the Engineers and led to their dead being strewn across the galaxy on various planets like 223 or 426. We don't have to know everything to know that terrible things happened with their experiments thousands of years ago and something they created destroyed them, leaving their vicious weapons behind - which is what we essentially had been told for decades about the derelict from Alien. As opposed to, let's say, a renegade android planting the eggs there 20 years prior after cooking up some aliens and a fun summer bughunt.
Agree with you 100% on this. Does Ridley Scott actually think this is a clever idea or concept?
Spoiler
The possibility that the damaged David synthetic figures out a way to create things with Spacejockey leftover black goo and he ends up killing Walter in Covenant, impersonating Walter, and through David's work the colonists on Covenant end up being egg-morphed so that they are the eggs that Kane, Dallas, and Lambert find in the "yet another crashed derelict" ship--isn't that like three crashed Spacejockey ships now on different planets with the inclusion of the Covenant film--on LV462 in the Alien/Nostromo film? Really...he thinks that's original or clever or that it's really a great idea? Kind of lame to me, but that's just me and I'm not laughing all the way to the bank like Ridley.
I guess I'll see what happens with the Covenant release and if it starts looking like this is the direction Ridley is heading (see spoilers above), then I'm out and I'll catch up with anything else he makes after Covenant when it's a re-run on the Syfy channel.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 29, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 27, 2017, 08:31:41 PMLV-223....is capable of sustaining life.
It isn't capable of sustaining life.
I'm quoting Holloway in Prometheus there. He says LV223 is a moon "capable of sustaining life."
It would be if one can get the CO2 levels down. Two minutes without a suit, you're dead.
Prime candidate for terraforming though.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 29, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 29, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 27, 2017, 08:31:41 PMLV-223....is capable of sustaining life.
It isn't capable of sustaining life.
I'm quoting Holloway in Prometheus there. He says LV223 is a moon "capable of sustaining life."
It would be if one can get the CO2 levels down. Two minutes without a suit, you're dead.
Prime candidate for terraforming though.
I assume, based on Holloway's dialogue that the temple in Prometheus was some sort of terraforming- atmospheric processor, like Hadley's Hope. In the original Spaihts draft, as many of you know, that is what Weyland was there for - to steal that technology. Lindeloff messed that up and made him search for Eternal Life or something. It was very very silly. The terraforming tech was far more logical and keeping in step with the narrative of the franchise. Was one of the biggest failures in Lindelof's changes I think. One thing I hope we never hear about again, is this immortality crap on the part of the Weyland Corp or whoever. I really dont want to hear some shit about the xeno's being able to give people eternal life and that's why the Company wants them, or some crap like that.
What I would like to see is some gray area explored regarding the companies motives. For instance, maybe they want to save us from something else. It would be interesting to develop that in such a way that still makes them wrong, and doesn't step on Ripley's story, while also kinda making us rethink the Company's actions a bit.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 29, 2017, 04:20:49 PMIt would be if one can get the CO2 levels down. Two minutes without a suit, you're dead.
Except the concentration of CO2 given in the film wouldn't actually be fatal :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 29, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 29, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 27, 2017, 08:31:41 PMLV-223....is capable of sustaining life.
It isn't capable of sustaining life.
I'm quoting Holloway in Prometheus there. He says LV223 is a moon "capable of sustaining life."
It would be if one can get the CO2 levels down. Two minutes without a suit, you're dead.
Prime candidate for terraforming though.
Like breethin truw an exhaust poipe
Quote from: Infected on Mar 29, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 29, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 29, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 27, 2017, 08:31:41 PMLV-223....is capable of sustaining life.
It isn't capable of sustaining life.
I'm quoting Holloway in Prometheus there. He says LV223 is a moon "capable of sustaining life."
It would be if one can get the CO2 levels down. Two minutes without a suit, you're dead.
Prime candidate for terraforming though.
Like breethin truw an exhaust poipe
This conversation just remind me of Kate Dickie's horrible delivery.
Pure speculation but:
1] David takes control of the covenant
2] Makes eggs of the colonists somehow
3] Heads back to 223 to find a fresh bomber
4] Takes off and our heroes take em down somehow. (maybe with whats left of the covenant)
5] Crash on 426
6] Chestburst of David
7] start of Alien
While the size of the jockey is weird, I think it's one of those things Ridley will ignore or David will somehow inject hiself with the black goo and starts to mutate into something larger. Which would indicate organic material present in Davids body somehow. Maybe his experiments went even further and he used parts of Shaw to enhance himself or to make it so he CAN absorb the black goo.
Or not... I love science fiction! :P
Quote from: Hemi on Mar 29, 2017, 07:41:14 PM
Pure speculation but:
1] David takes control of the covenant
2] Makes eggs of the colonists somehow
3] Heads back to 223 to find a fresh bomber
4] Takes off and our heroes take em down somehow. (maybe with whats left of the covenant)
5] Crash on 426
6] Chestburst of David
7] start of Alien
While the size of the jockey is weird, I think it's one of those things Ridley will ignore or David will somehow inject hiself with the black goo and starts to mutate into something larger. Which would indicate organic material present in Davids body somehow. Maybe his experiments went even further and he used parts of Shaw to enhance himself or to make it so he CAN absorb the black goo.
Or not... I love science fiction! :P
Well, if that's the direction Ridley Scott wants to take it, I guess since he was the original director in the Alien/Nostromo film that started it all, then he can move it in this direction. Me personally...I think it's a let down and kind of a crappy way to handle the entire mystery of the Spacejockey, Engineers, etc., but that's just my opinion. I'm just having a really difficult time getting around...
Spoiler
the idea that a damaged synthetic like David--even if Shaw reattaches his head to his body during the flight to find the Engineers' home world has the intelligence or ability to create lifeforms that the Engineers/Spacejockies on LV-223 (in the Prometheus film) could not. I know he has a higher IQ and is more intelligent being he's an android/synthetic, but it's just too huge a gap or jump for me to make the connection, so I'll be passing on the rest of the films if this is the route Ridley's going to take with the story, but that's just me.
Nervously anticipating the first release of the film to find out what people have to say.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Mar 29, 2017, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 29, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 29, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 29, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 27, 2017, 08:31:41 PMLV-223....is capable of sustaining life.
It isn't capable of sustaining life.
I'm quoting Holloway in Prometheus there. He says LV223 is a moon "capable of sustaining life."
It would be if one can get the CO2 levels down. Two minutes without a suit, you're dead.
Prime candidate for terraforming though.
Like breethin truw an exhaust poipe
This conversation just remind me of Kate Dickie's horrible delivery.
LoL gotta love her accent
Kinda nuts how many of us have started believing that we already know what's going to happen in the next movie (if it even come to pass). I think a little perspective is in order before we start panicking and assuming the worst.
Quote from: chris_bert on Mar 29, 2017, 08:02:36 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Mar 29, 2017, 07:41:14 PM
Pure speculation but:
1] David takes control of the covenant
2] Makes eggs of the colonists somehow
3] Heads back to 223 to find a fresh bomber
4] Takes off and our heroes take em down somehow. (maybe with whats left of the covenant)
5] Crash on 426
6] Chestburst of David
7] start of Alien
While the size of the jockey is weird, I think it's one of those things Ridley will ignore or David will somehow inject hiself with the black goo and starts to mutate into something larger. Which would indicate organic material present in Davids body somehow. Maybe his experiments went even further and he used parts of Shaw to enhance himself or to make it so he CAN absorb the black goo.
Or not... I love science fiction! :P
Well, if that's the direction Ridley Scott wants to take it, I guess since he was the original director in the Alien/Nostromo film that started it all, then he can move it in this direction. Me personally...I think it's a let down and kind of a crappy way to handle the entire mystery of the Spacejockey, Engineers, etc., but that's just my opinion. I'm just having a really difficult time getting around...
Spoiler
the idea that a damaged synthetic like David--even if Shaw reattaches his head to his body during the flight to find the Engineers' home world has the intelligence or ability to create lifeforms that the Engineers/Spacejockies on LV-223 (in the Prometheus film) could not. I know he has a higher IQ and is more intelligent being he's an android/synthetic, but it's just too huge a gap or jump for me to make the connection, so I'll be passing on the rest of the films if this is the route Ridley's going to take with the story, but that's just me.
Nervously anticipating the first release of the film to find out what people have to say.
This would be especially bad because, if it IS where THIS film is headed, it renders 2 sequels redundant, because it could have just happened at the end of PROMETHEUS.
It also doesn't make sense that the Nostromo wouldn't know or have any indication that there was a failed attempt at Colonization on this moon, next to the other moon which they land on. It seems like news of something like that would make it's way around the galaxy.
with the whole franchise of the alien movie series fox/syfy should do a limited scripted tv series based on the aliens franchise like call ALIEN the ellen ripley chronicles plus for the second season of ALIEN the weyland chronicles and the premiere two part tv series whoever actress will play ellen ripley and elizabeth shaw in the tv series like felicity jones and daisy ridley the stars of star wars then and ALIENS animated series is based on the franchise in 2018-2019 if fox / syfy will do a tv series of the aliens chronicles series let find out to ridley scott and scott free ALIENS forever
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 29, 2017, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 29, 2017, 04:20:49 PMIt would be if one can get the CO2 levels down. Two minutes without a suit, you're dead.
Except the concentration of CO2 given in the film wouldn't actually be fatal :laugh:
Wot? Don't tell me Prometheus got it's science wrong yet again? :laugh:
i think the story is chaos, and that chaos is beautiful. perhaps the message is chaos. engineers develop black goo, man develops android, android is able too see potential in the goo the engineers did not. basically, everyone involved is "god", and thus no solid "creator" is ever discovered as everything comes from something else and so on. in essence the "story", the mystery that is the story, can go on forever. blegh...i should probably stay off the internet when I'm drunk. mystery is ok. knowledge is awesome...just sometimes not knowing is cool, too. leaving room for mystery is awesome. i like to think of the Alien franchise (well, a large portion of it) as being Star Wars for thinking people. Star Wars is rock n roll, and rock n roll is cool because it's for everyone. But Alien is total jazz, and jazz isn't music for morons.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 29, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: chris_bert on Mar 29, 2017, 08:02:36 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Mar 29, 2017, 07:41:14 PM
Pure speculation but:
1] David takes control of the covenant
2] Makes eggs of the colonists somehow
3] Heads back to 223 to find a fresh bomber
4] Takes off and our heroes take em down somehow. (maybe with whats left of the covenant)
5] Crash on 426
6] Chestburst of David
7] start of Alien
While the size of the jockey is weird, I think it's one of those things Ridley will ignore or David will somehow inject hiself with the black goo and starts to mutate into something larger. Which would indicate organic material present in Davids body somehow. Maybe his experiments went even further and he used parts of Shaw to enhance himself or to make it so he CAN absorb the black goo.
Or not... I love science fiction! :P
Well, if that's the direction Ridley Scott wants to take it, I guess since he was the original director in the Alien/Nostromo film that started it all, then he can move it in this direction. Me personally...I think it's a let down and kind of a crappy way to handle the entire mystery of the Spacejockey, Engineers, etc., but that's just my opinion. I'm just having a really difficult time getting around...
Spoiler
the idea that a damaged synthetic like David--even if Shaw reattaches his head to his body during the flight to find the Engineers' home world has the intelligence or ability to create lifeforms that the Engineers/Spacejockies on LV-223 (in the Prometheus film) could not. I know he has a higher IQ and is more intelligent being he's an android/synthetic, but it's just too huge a gap or jump for me to make the connection, so I'll be passing on the rest of the films if this is the route Ridley's going to take with the story, but that's just me.
Nervously anticipating the first release of the film to find out what people have to say.
This would be especially bad because, if it IS where THIS film is headed, it renders 2 sequels redundant, because it could have just happened at the end of PROMETHEUS.
It also doesn't make sense that the Nostromo wouldn't know or have any indication that there was a failed attempt at Colonization on this moon, next to the other moon which they land on. It seems like news of something like that would make it's way around the galaxy.
Not saying that they should do this btw, just to be clear. It's heading in that direction I think. Who knows, RS might surprise us all. :-)
A little late to the game but we're starting to do some YouTube videos covering the news. We're gonna be a little slow to start with and I'm still feeling awkward about them but here's our first one.
Thanks to SiL for getting involved with this.
I think I know where this is going. Ridley Scott is linking the Alien universe with Blade Runner and Alien is basically a robo-apocalypse movie. David is the robot who creates the mechanical alien to wipe out humanity. We saw that in Alien resurrection when Ripley returned to Earth and it was a nuclear shithole. David's will was fulfilled. Robots win in the end.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 08:32:24 AMA little late to the game but we're starting to do some YouTube videos covering the news...
Looks HAWT. Great job.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 29, 2017, 09:46:31 PMWot? Don't tell me Prometheus got it's science wrong yet again? :laugh:
From memory, they give the CO2 concentration as 3%. It wouldn't be lethal until is gets to around 7%.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2017, 08:32:24 AMA little late to the game but we're starting to do some YouTube videos covering the news. We're gonna be a little slow to start with and I'm still feeling awkward about them but here's our first one.
I'll make sure to give that a look when I get a minute!
So its possible at the ending of this all we get Noomi Rapace, Waterston, and Weaver as the survivors and then one big final movie from Ridley and maybe Blomkamp. ;)
Pretty sure Noomi Rapace is off the board, and I suspect Katherine Waterston's character will ultimately meet a similar fate.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:14:07 PM
Pretty sure Noomi Rapace is off the board, and I suspect Katherine Waterston's character will ultimately meet a similar fate.
It would be funny if every one of these prequels had an entirely different, new protagonist with the previous one killed off offscreen.
Quote from: MajorB on Apr 03, 2017, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:14:07 PM
Pretty sure Noomi Rapace is off the board, and I suspect Katherine Waterston's character will ultimately meet a similar fate.
It would be funny if every one of these prequels had an entirely different, new protagonist with the previous one killed off offscreen.
That would have been ridiculous :) Fox want to establish new characters and for that reason
Spoiler
Daniels and Tennessee will survive.
Quote from: MajorB on Apr 03, 2017, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 01:14:07 PM
Pretty sure Noomi Rapace is off the board, and I suspect Katherine Waterston's character will ultimately meet a similar fate.
It would be funny if every one of these prequels had an entirely different, new protagonist with the previous one killed off offscreen.
Or increasingly ridiculous - which is how I feel about an alien outbreak 20 years before the original film honestly, or the distinct possibility of the LV-426 derelict cargo being created only then. Which is why I still feel they should've (and can still) walk(ed) away from prequel timeline stuff entirely after
Prometheus. Set it in the far future. David and Shaw could've emerged from cryo post-
Resurrection.
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 03, 2017, 03:57:19 PM
That would have been ridiculous :) Fox want to establish new characters and for that reason Spoiler
Daniels and Tennessee will survive.
Okay. Wait and see if anyone but David has a major role in future prequel films beyond being alien food. There is no way they can unless they go into the freezers for decades, otherwise they'd alert Earth.
I still think that Shaw will have an important role in this sequel.
This is the big surprise of the movie.
Would be nice but it ain't happening.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
Would be nice but it ain't happening.
So, Shaw is just a footnote? I find that hard to believe
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
Would be nice but it ain't happening.
So, Shaw is just a footnote? I find that hard to believe
If the leaks are true, then yeah, she's just a footnote.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 03, 2017, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
Would be nice but it ain't happening.
So, Shaw is just a footnote? I find that hard to believe
Well, we don't have all the context so I think "footnote" is harsh, but it's unlikely her screen time is long.
I have a feeling we will see her, and David's journey in Alien: Awakening..
I really don't believe Awakening is set before Covenant. It's most likely a sequel to Covenant. Ridley probably just misspoke. The title wouldn't make any sense either. But it would really interesting if it's true.
next movie david will be stopped by a genetically modified predator which we will see in 'The Predator', and we will learn that the giant pred is the space jockey. fast forward a dozen years later, old ripley is looking for some answers on the original objective (special order xxxx), and locates these coordinates. she gets there and finds out like the engineer in prometheus was incryo, shaw is still in cryo.
she wakes her up. stories will be shared. david reappears after having downloaded his conciousness into an alien trapped against a wall.
a predator appears out of nowhere whilst a predalien pops from its chest. a neomorph suddenly pops out to eat the predalien. the predship will decloak and show them they're in the matrix and it's all a dream.
yes it makes no sense, but i think 90% on what to happen to shaw is similarly nonsense.
There needs to be a return to the hard-horror biomechanoid nightmare beings/landscapes of Giger in a future film/series. It is absolutely imperative.
https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/851662690074238976 (https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/851662690074238976)
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https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/851662690074238976 (https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/851662690074238976)
I imagine the final confirmation will be from Scott during promotion. But it's nice to see someone who's actually involved confirm the rumors are false.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/alien-returns-with-ridley-scott-at-the-helm-and-fear-at-its-heart/news-story/ac3047c024390177f9ece687ab483bc8
Nothing really new here, but just a bit of background on the casting process, and this -
"The sequel to Alien: Covenant, Scott says, "is being written now and with a bit of luck we'll be shooting that in about 18 months. Maybe in Australia, because we had such a good time. I loved Sydney, I loved the whole experience of making the film there.""Once you open up this universe," he says, it's hard to leave. "I'm not sure yet, I know where I'm going next, but I'm beginning to enjoy it so much I would hate for it to end there."
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 05, 2017, 06:04:57 PM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/alien-returns-with-ridley-scott-at-the-helm-and-fear-at-its-heart/news-story/ac3047c024390177f9ece687ab483bc8
Nothing really new here, but just a bit of background on the casting process, and this -
"The sequel to Alien: Covenant, Scott says, "is being written now and with a bit of luck we'll be shooting that in about 18 months. Maybe in Australia, because we had such a good time. I loved Sydney, I loved the whole experience of making the film there.""Once you open up this universe," he says, it's hard to leave. "I'm not sure yet, I know where I'm going next, but I'm beginning to enjoy it so much I would hate for it to end there."
Good news! 18 months is a bit long, but I can tough it out.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 05, 2017, 06:04:57 PM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/alien-returns-with-ridley-scott-at-the-helm-and-fear-at-its-heart/news-story/ac3047c024390177f9ece687ab483bc8
Nothing really new here, but just a bit of background on the casting process, and this -
"The sequel to Alien: Covenant, Scott says, "is being written now and with a bit of luck we'll be shooting that in about 18 months. Maybe in Australia, because we had such a good time. I loved Sydney, I loved the whole experience of making the film there.""Once you open up this universe," he says, it's hard to leave. "I'm not sure yet, I know where I'm going next, but I'm beginning to enjoy it so much I would hate for it to end there."
November 2018 sounds reasonable. Scott does All The Money In The World this month and The Cartel in January. So should be ready by then. But Covenant was also set to begin filming in January and didn't start until April, so we'll see.
I thought Alien: Awakening was already written?
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 05, 2017, 06:04:57 PM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/alien-returns-with-ridley-scott-at-the-helm-and-fear-at-its-heart/news-story/ac3047c024390177f9ece687ab483bc8
Nothing really new here, but just a bit of background on the casting process, and this -
"The sequel to Alien: Covenant, Scott says, "is being written now and with a bit of luck we'll be shooting that in about 18 months. Maybe in Australia, because we had such a good time. I loved Sydney, I loved the whole experience of making the film there.""Once you open up this universe," he says, it's hard to leave. "I'm not sure yet, I know where I'm going next, but I'm beginning to enjoy it so much I would hate for it to end there."
Split this off and merged with the Covenant 2 topic.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/may/07/ridley-scott-i-really-wanted-to-scare-alien-covenant-interview-blade-runner-2049
QuoteHe also has to somehow fit in another Alien prequel, provisional title Alien: Awakening, and he has sketched out plans to make another three Alien films after that.
So, Awakening WILL be a prequel. to 1979s Alien. Interesting. It thus has to fit in right between Covenant and Alien, i'd guess.
I think it was always going to be a prequel. There was just some confusion over where it'd fit in the timeline due to how Ridley worded it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
I think it was always going to be a prequel. There was just some confusion over where it'd fit in the timeline due to how Ridley worded it.
So its a sequel to Covenant??
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 07, 2017, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
I think it was always going to be a prequel. There was just some confusion over where it'd fit in the timeline due to how Ridley worded it.
So its a sequel to Covenant??
Yes, where the aliens
Spoiler
gain more of their biomechanical aesthetic and will no longer be controlled by David or anyone else. Covenant is their origin story and Awakening will be their finalization, so to speak.