Just curious, but do you guys think that per say if AVP:R had a bigger budget(65-70 Million as opposed to 40 million) and had about 30 minutes more run time that it could have been a better product in the end? It seems like any ideas the BS had was not able to come to fruition with such a low budget and limited run time.
What changes do you imagine would result in this scenario as opposed to what we got? More predators? Bigger and better and equal fights? More characterization?
Location change and character development would've saved it.
Letting the predator ship reach another planet, or setting the whole movie on the predator ship would've helped. Make the predalien incredibly fierce, and have the predators fighting to survive it onboard.
Making a movie set in the future would've been better. Setting it in modern times and places is just done to save money.
Heck I think due to the script, things like the plot and characters are screwed unless you write a new movie. With that budget it could be possible to change the setting and make a whole new movie.
If the AVPR script must be the same that money should be used mainly for action/fights, at least make the "versus movie" we wanted to see and improve the Aliens's look, more special effects like the acid damage, money was Colin's excuse for the lack of it as well as for the short fights. No money can improve the other problems. If possible changes to the plot wouldn't hurt.
A completely different premise might've saved it.
AVPR should have been based upon AVP2
Only if "bigger budget" means "pay for an entirely different script". Throwing money at AvPR's existing script(s) was never going to save it. They could've made a better movie with the same concept and budget if the script had been better written, but there were far too many cooks in that kitchen.
I'm basing this on them keeping the script or semi-deviating from it aka. same setting but changing the events up.
Also SiL just curious but what was your reactions when first watching AVP:R, if indeed seeing it in theaters?
EDIT
Yeah I can't actually stomach having my initial reviews in the post. Suffice to say, I didn't like the movie.
More money, if used competently, could have gone along way with this one.
While obviously not making it into a masterpiece, the rest would be much easier to swallow if we got better creature effects and designs,more predators and above all much better fight scenes.
In AVP, you don't need the most complex or even above average plot or characters to make it enjoyable, if you get the creatures and their clashes right IMO.
A lot of people carry on about character development - but actual character development in the Alien flicks is generally restricted to Ripley.
The characters are at least developed to a point where we give half a shit whether they die or not.
Only with a different script. It feels like the budget came before the script and that's why it's like a Dawson's Creek Halloween special.
If bigger budget = better script, then yeah.
Yep - bigger budget would have meant bigger scope... hence better script (well, hopefully better script anyway).
I'm sure that I read somewhere that the Bros really wanted to do a space based thing, but was it Joel Silver said "Nah, set it on Earth in the present cos that's cheaper?"
It was Fox in general that wanted to keep it on Earth. They commissioned Salerno to write an Earth-based script.
I'd have been interested in seeing that Iraq treatment. As an Earth-bound thing, that may have worked better than Dawson's Creek.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
It was Fox in general that wanted to keep it on Earth. They commissioned Salerno to write an Earth-based script.
Many thanks :)
You can definitely come up with earth bound scripts that are way better than what we got.
Putting it out of a small town would already help a lot.
For sure, but it's still dumbfounding how Fox have never thought "wait, we have colonial marines, aliens and predators... we should make a movie about that"
Fox is definitely dumbfounding.
Their dumbfoxing.
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No, because the Strause brothers are awful directors and the script and actors sucked too.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
Fox is definitely dumbfounding.
Their dumbfoxing.
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That would truely be the unbeatable peak of dumb ideas in the franchises.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2019, 10:56:32 AM
The characters are at least developed to a point where we give half a shit whether they die or not.
I dunno if that's 'development' or just characterisation. Aliens was wall-to-wall stereotypes, but memorable ones.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
It was Fox in general that wanted to keep it on Earth. They commissioned Salerno to write an Earth-based script.
I thought Davis was driving the Earth thing?
Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2019, 12:53:02 AM
I dunno if that's 'development' or just characterisation. Aliens was wall-to-wall stereotypes, but memorable ones.
I guess, but I think it's clear people are using "development" as a shorthand for "characters we care about".
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
I thought Davis was driving the Earth thing?
Initially, yes, but for the sequel I think it was just a given because of the first movie. I don't know how active he was with the sequel -- I know Alex White was instrumental in a few concepts that couldn't be dropped.
Alex White the Cold Forge guy?
Davis did a commentary with the Strauses so I guess he was fairly involved.
Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2019, 12:59:07 AM
Alex White the Cold Forge guy?
My bad, Alex Young, one of the producers.
Not sure who he is. He doesn't seem to be credited. What concepts did he have?
We can thank him for egg barfing in particular.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2019, 01:38:08 AM
We can thank him for egg barfing in particular.
Oh.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2019, 01:38:08 AM
We can thank him for egg barfing in particular.
I wouldn't want to be credited either...
Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2019, 01:38:08 AM
We can thank him for egg barfing in particular.
It's at least worth a hug.
Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2019, 01:53:08 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2019, 01:38:08 AM
We can thank him for egg barfing in particular.
I wouldn't want to be credited either...
'ken oath.
But it also highlights the issue that there were really too many people with a say in the story. Budget wouldn't have fixed that, unfortunately.
... unless you paid some of them a hefty bonus to nick off, I guess.
If it was remained with the same characters abd story but with futuristic set (colony, space station) i think it could be more enjoyable one.
Hiring actual name actors would have helped. When I see a cast of unknowns I immediately think Asylum or Sy-Fy channel.
Still annoyed they changed the Sci-Fi channel to the Syfy channel. :P
I like it just the way it is.
But a different script would've saved it for everyone else.
A entirely different film, yes.
No. More cash on the same script is just throwing good money after bad. The only redeeming feature of it, as it stands, is that it is low budget and cornball which makes it fit nicely with movies like the 80's The Blob, SynGenOr, etc.
Bigger budget would've allowed the directors to set it in space
No, I think, if every other circumstance in the making of is identical.
I don't think a bigger budget would have saved it, I'm sure we have all seen far superior films created on a lower budget than even Requiem.
What would be needed is a new script, no eggbarfing,, better performing aliens and characters we can actually care about. Oh and of course, no dark filter; :P
Obviously a differently location may help but I think it wouldn't make too much of a difference if everything else is bad.
The budget wasn't the problem
Hire different writers and directors.
The more I think about it the more I don't think they had a script doctor for this. If I ever get rich I swear I'm going to remake Requiem, or maybe do my own special edition.
The way I see it is that Wolf doesn't get a distress signal, he's on the ship so that when the crash occurs;
-He's the only survivor which is why there is only one Predator.
-His computer is damaged so he has to clean the mess up himself.
-He can't just bomb the area because his self-destruct is used to detonate the ship and surrounding Xenos (explaining why he never uses it in the film).
-The gear he has is whatever he could salvage, not because he has to suit up twice in the same movie.
-Because Wolf is aboard the ship and his screw-up is what causes it to crash in addition to the chaos caused by the Hybrid he has a much larger stake in killing it.
-Introduce Wolf's bad aim by introducing us to him with the mask off. His wound actually screwed with his vision so he makes a bad shot causing the ship to crash. Thus two cannons (one with an auto-aim) is meant to be extra firepower but also because Wolf actually has a handicap.
Then cutting back on most of the Human cast we're left with the cop and ex-convict.
The reason they end up at the hospital is because the Predalien was already there. Multiple hosts in one place with the added benefit that the Predator wouldn't think to pursue there. It's filled with mostly unarmed humans in the middle of town where the horde as far as surface looking goes hasn't been touched yet and Wolf has been held up in the woods.
You could even retain belly bursting as the Predalien is infecting the women which then explains how quickly the hospital gets overrun as it goes back and forth between it's hive and egg vomiting. Which is a note, we see Egg vomiting happen or at least implied before the hospital, so only use the kitchen scene and then when its discovered the Predalien had been hiding in the hospital you have our heroes discover the bodies in the maternity ward.
The egg barfing should be left out, just have the Aliens come from escaped huggers, keep the alien life-cycle consistent.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 09, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
The more I think about it the more I don't think they had a script doctor for this. If I ever get rich I swear I'm going to remake Requiem, or maybe do my own special edition.
What a waste of imaginary money. If I get rich, I'll use my power to remove everything that came after Alien³ from canon. Reboots would be allowed, but the original trilogy would be untouchable.
You'd miss Ron Perlman.
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Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 09, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
The more I think about it the more I don't think they had a script doctor for this. If I ever get rich I swear I'm going to remake Requiem, or maybe do my own special edition.
What a waste of imaginary money. If I get rich, I'll use my power to remove everything that came after Alien³ from canon. Reboots would be allowed, but the original trilogy would be untouchable.
I'd be willing to offer my fake millions to this cause ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 21, 2020, 01:36:14 AM
You'd miss Ron Perlman.
You are good. You really are.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 10, 2020, 03:05:44 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 09, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
The more I think about it the more I don't think they had a script doctor for this. If I ever get rich I swear I'm going to remake Requiem, or maybe do my own special edition.
What a waste of imaginary money. If I get rich, I'll use my power to remove everything that came after Alien³ from canon. Reboots would be allowed, but the original trilogy would be untouchable.
I'd be willing to offer my fake millions to this cause ;)
As long as Voodoo is in the fake director's chair.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 23, 2020, 01:43:18 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 21, 2020, 01:36:14 AM
You'd miss Ron Perlman.
You are good. You really are.
Quote from: Wysps on Feb 22, 2020, 11:21:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 10, 2020, 03:05:44 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 09, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
The more I think about it the more I don't think they had a script doctor for this. If I ever get rich I swear I'm going to remake Requiem, or maybe do my own special edition.
What a waste of imaginary money. If I get rich, I'll use my power to remove everything that came after Alien³ from canon. Reboots would be allowed, but the original trilogy would be untouchable.
I'd be willing to offer my fake millions to this cause ;)
As long as Voodoo is in the fake director's chair.
I proudly will accept the fake director's chair, thank you.
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well yes, like any film, if it had a bigger budget, it would be better. well for most films.
but i dont think adding 30 million would make it a good film, because you would have to change the whole film to make it good. the fact that it is a teen slasher film annoys me alot.
it definitally would of added some cool stuff and made it better, but probably not a good film. look at alien covenant, huge budget, but it's an OK film
Quote from: thexenomorphfanboy on Mar 08, 2020, 04:16:45 AM
well yes, like any film, if it had a bigger budget, it would be better. well for most films.
but i dont think adding 30 million would make it a good film, because you would have to change the whole film to make it good. the fact that it is a teen slasher film annoys me alot.
it definitally would of added some cool stuff and made it better, but probably not a good film. look at alien covenant, huge budget, but it's an OK film
I agree. You can have the biggest budget, best sounds and visuals, but still end up with a bad film.
I'd have hoped that if they'd had a bigger budget, the story itself would have gone back to the drawing board.
AvPR had the worst photography of all time. You can't see. Everything dark and everything looks cheap.
AvPR could work better with bigger budget? Yes. Especially with a different style of photography. For example: the photography of PROMETHEUS is perfect. Perfect work from Dariusz Wolski.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Mar 16, 2020, 06:39:25 PM
AvPR had the worst photography of all time. You can't see. Everything dark and everything looks cheap.
One can still see AvPR depending on their devices, but indeed, these contrasting experiences alone is a pure indicator that it is horribly too dark for public viewing. It's a damn shame....
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 16, 2020, 07:30:05 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Mar 16, 2020, 06:39:25 PM
AvPR had the worst photography of all time. You can't see. Everything dark and everything looks cheap.
One can still see AvPR depending on their devices, but indeed, these contrasting experiences alone is a pure indicator that it is horribly too dark for public viewing. It's a damn shame....
You could go dark and still see every single detail. The original ALIEN(1979) is the perfect example. BLADE RUNNER(1982) is another perfect example. The photography of AvPR is very awful and dated and it looked so cheap. AvPR looks like a movie from the 1950s even though it was filmed in the 2000s.
Req had bad lighting as a way to hide the low budget effects.
Indeed, but I don't think that was always the case with AvPR. Through veiwing behind-the-scenes footage and pics, a lot of the stuff looked good well lit.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Mar 16, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 16, 2020, 07:30:05 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Mar 16, 2020, 06:39:25 PM
AvPR had the worst photography of all time. You can't see. Everything dark and everything looks cheap.
One can still see AvPR depending on their devices, but indeed, these contrasting experiences alone is a pure indicator that it is horribly too dark for public viewing. It's a damn shame....
You could go dark and still see every single detail. The original ALIEN(1979) is the perfect example. BLADE RUNNER(1982) is another perfect example. The photography of AvPR is very awful and dated and it looked so cheap. AvPR looks like a movie from the 1950s even though it was filmed in the 2000s.
I'm agreeing with you. Not with the 1950's comparison but that it's horribly dark. The grading is awful.I was just mentioning some can see what's going on depending on the devices they use, but that particular condemnation is still deserved.
It's a shame because if I recall the trailers looked a lot better than what we got in the finished product.
bigger budget and set it around 100 years into the future and it could have been possible.
Shane Black has answered the OP's question. The Predator is a movie similar to AVPR but with a bigger budget. Now ... What did we learn from this? the same thing that we already knew...you can have all the money in the world and yet your movie is meant to be trash if you don't have a good story to tell to begin with. I guess there were not great references to inspire neither of both or they weren't skillful enough to use them :P
What's sad is Shane Black was actually in the original Predator. You'd think he would know how to make a proper Predator movie.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 21, 2020, 09:55:17 PM
You'd think he would know how to make a proper Predator movie.
We all saw Iron Man 3.
So no. No you wouldn't.
;D
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 21, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Shane Black has answered the OP's question. The Predator is a movie similar to AVPR but with a bigger budget. Now ... What did we learn from this? the same thing that we already knew...you can have all the money in the world and yet your movie is meant to be trash if you don't have a good story to tell to begin with. I guess there were not great references to inspire neither of both or they weren't skillful enough to use them :P
But I think The Predator is a little better than AvPR because it had better actors. So, YES with a bigger budget AvPR could had better actors and better movie.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Apr 01, 2020, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 21, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Shane Black has answered the OP's question. The Predator is a movie similar to AVPR but with a bigger budget. Now ... What did we learn from this? the same thing that we already knew...you can have all the money in the world and yet your movie is meant to be trash if you don't have a good story to tell to begin with. I guess there were not great references to inspire neither of both or they weren't skillful enough to use them :P
But I think The Predator is a little better than AvPR because it had better actors. So, YES with a bigger budget AvPR could had better actors and better movie.
Just the casting of Edward James Olmos in The Predator makes it better!
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;D
It certainly couldn't have hurt.
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It certainly couldn't have hurt.
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Psst. He was casted. His scenes were cut. ~ :)
I know.
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Budget wasn't really the issue there. The script, from inception, was hot garbage. Re-read SiL's commentary on the script if you need an insight on where things started.
Fox really shot themselves in the foot with their directives to script a story set in small town America. That just soils everything else. I have no love for the first AvP, but at least Paul had the sense to put it literally out in the Arctic wastelands so that it could be buried and isolated and not jack up continuity. I'll give it that. Even though the Predators should have said "f*** that, it's too cold to be hunting."
Unlike other people i'm not against aliens on Earth. I'd prefer a big budget movie with Colonial Marines, Predators, Aliens. An animated 1:1 recreation of the original comic series would be great, too. Something in the style of the Starship Troopers animated films. That'd be dope, as long as they got really good voice talent.
However, Shane Salerno's original idea of having the ship crash in Afghanistan with Spec Ops guys getting in between Aliens and Predators had more potential to at least be viscerally entertaining. A half dozen interesting soldier characters, some clever use of location shooting. That would have made a far better AVP 2. Also, having it set in a backwater area of a war-torn country with only spec ops involved eliminates some of the issues that an Earth bound story brings to the table. IE nobody should have common knowledge of aliens.
Honestly, it's an idea I want to see taken to task. One of the comics went on to explore the idea of modern soldiers in a warzone facing down aliens and predators: AVP: Sand Trap.
You could do that story with the same budget. Get some decent b-movie actors in there, get the right modern military gear, find some rocky/mountainous/forest areas to film and there ya go. You could have the team there for other reasons. Maybe it's a Delta Unit on a rescue operation like the original Predator - only it turns out the VIP they're on a mission to rescue is actually "Ms. Yutani" and there's a clandestine attempt to capture the Predator in the works, only the alien, and the Predator's desire to hunt it, gets in the way. It's something I plan to explore in a script of my own.
But to answer the threads question specifically. No, I don't think more money would have made AvP:R better. There was no way to improve dialogue like "People are dying. We need guns." Not even the greats could have really done much to elevate the poor script.
They needed a new script from the get-go. we need this set in the far future, but if you're talking about this specific idea of Aliens and Predators in a small town then maybe it could have worked on some level. I read Shane Salerno's first draft of the script, and it's still bad but it's way better than what we got. here's a few things that I liked:
1. The predalien gets in a fight with a few Predators and out of desperation, one of the predators fires his plasma caster, causing the ship to crash. Makes a lot more sense than just shooting randomly like an idiot, like he did in the movie.
2. The Predalien actually gets killed right then and there and the surviving predator activates a distress signal on the ship's computer, not his gauntlet. This is great because now we don't have to put up with the egg barfing crap, and the predator actually has no idea the aliens escaped until one kills him, so it makes sense why he didn't just blow himself up, right then and there.
3. Wolf shows up only because he was passing by and intercepted the distress signal. and get this: he looks at the security recordings and sees ONE ALIEN killing the last predator and decides to go after it. this would have made for a better movie. one alien vs one predator.
4. the human characters are given more screen time and character development, not much but with a little tweeking here and there I might have actually cared if they lived or died.
5. Wolf doesn't kill a single alien until he gets to the Alien in the high school. and get this: the Alien is actually aware of his presence and turns to fight him in an epic one on one. WOW, an Alien that can actually fight a Predator? is that legal? ::)
6. we get a greater sense of the town's community: who knows who, how each character feels about the other. I mean it ain't much but if they had to go for this small town setting, it'd be nice if it actually felt like a small town community where everybody knows each other.
7. The script describes the Aliens as being absolutely brutal in their killings: tearing people apart, ripping them in half. Actual intimidating aliens.
8. The script describes the town as being constantly covered in fog. How cool would it have been to see Aliens and Predators in heavy fog?
9. The best part of the whole script is the part where Wolf: the "elite" predator, the most "badass" predator of all time, faces three Aliens like a boss and then.......immediately gets his ass ripped apart, limb from limb, piece by bloody piece. and I'm sitting there like:
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Damn, it's almost like having one predator fighting a bunch of aliens in an Alien vs Predator movie is an unbelievably stupid idea. ;)
If they had added a few more predators, developed the characters more, actually had some nice atmospheric shots and cinematography. this could have been on the level of John Carpenter's The Fog, at least. A B-movie, but a decent one. and I don't see how the budget would have affected any of this. Some of the best horror movies have been done with less money than what AVPR had.
So if this would've veen made we'd had to deal not only with everything being dark but with everything covered in fog, too ? It would've been Abstract Painting: The Movie
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 02, 2021, 06:14:06 AM
So if this would've veen made we'd had to deal not only with everything being dark but with everything covered in fog, too ? It would've been Abstract Painting: The Movie
That's why I specified IF it had some nice atmospheric shots and cinematography.
I'm just kidding. No offence ;)
Like other people have pointed out already: No. The script is just too crappy to magically transform into a shining piece of sci-fi action cinema.
However, I do think that a bigger budget could've made the movie more tolerable to watch. For example, more money to improve the lighting in the movie would've been nice. With a bigger budget they could've set the movie in outer space on some backwater colony, and the national guard / army could've been exchanged for Colonial Marines. The movie would've still sucked, but the bells and whistles, smoke and mirrors would've made the pony show "worth" watching on the same level as AvP and Predators.
Then on the other hand you have The Predator, which is arguable as bad, if not worse, than AvP:R, and the budget of that one was pretty decent.
So maybe not... Then on the other hand everyone loves Colonial Marines, so with a bunch of APCs, Dropships, Exosuits and pulse rifle toting Vasquez & Hudson carbon copies and wannabes ready to shoot up some xenos and preds, the movie might've actually gotten a free pass.
The answer in no with the same script and directors.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 03, 2021, 04:55:42 PM
The answer in no with the same script and directors.
I think a bigger budget would've made AvP:R more
fun to watch though. A space colony small town-like setting, colonial marines, androids, maybe an exosuit or two etc. would've definitely "elevated" the movie on a superficial level at least. Maybe fix the lightning so we can see what is going.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 04, 2021, 04:24:54 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 03, 2021, 04:55:42 PM
The answer in no with the same script and directors.
I think a bigger budget would've made AvP:R more fun to watch though. A space colony small town-like setting, colonial marines, androids, maybe an exosuit or two etc. would've definitely "elevated" the movie on a superficial level at least. Maybe fix the lightning so we can see what is going.
But then the script would have been different. I would've dig a different setting though.
I agree with the previous comment; the budget wasn't the issue. Sure, 20 million dollars less than the first film shouldn't delete the f**king sun, but between that, the teeny-bopper characters that I couldn't care less about in a 2 hour film in some rural american town, and the inexperienced directors, It failed on it's own legs, despite how much it made back, it's still considered to be the worst film in the series, almost on par with The Predator.
I have always believed that budget has little to do with a movie's quality, I mean in terms of story, acting and other qualities of course.
There are lots of brilliant movies made on small budgets and loads of stinkers made on big budgets. That being said, due to inflation and other demands, movies do cost more to make these days.. Not excuse of course since a good crew should find ways to be creative when they are on a limited budget.
I think the quality of the fan films we are seeing attests to the fact budget doesn't necessarily make films better.
Big budgets mean you can afford the best actors and technical people. If you don't have a script and producers and/ or a director guiding that script you could be in trouble.
I wonder how many here think AVP is better than Prometheus. The latter had a superior cinematography, a legendary director, A-list actors and a big budget. But the writing & editing were not on the same level as the aforementioned. Not to mention that both films share some similarities, albeit with a different approach:
AVP: Male rites of passages to become man (Predator Style)
Prometheus: Creation.
Everything about Prometheus, despite its myriad flaws, is better than AvP.
There is one aspect and one aspect alone I personally find AvP far superior to Prometheus...
Spoiler
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Yep ^^^
Prometheus might be objectively a better movie, but AvP is the one I think more fondly about. Maybe because I saw it when I was 4
Prometheus is at the very bottom of my list of Alien movies.
Even the most excruciating parts of Prometheus are better than whatever qualifies as the 'best' parts of AVP.
I prefer everything about AVP over Prometheus. I like the cinematography better, I like the grand buildup, I love the idea of being isolated on Antarctica. I know Prometheus is a better movie but without an ounce of hesitattion I prefer AVP habds down
I thought we would reach a consensus, naive of me...Guess both Prometheus and AVP are better for one reason or another. I asked the question because Prometheus shares archetypes with AVP and has a big budget.
What do they build up to in AvP? I thought the constant cutting to the Aliens and Predators sucked all the tension out of it.
54 minutes of building to 30 minutes of intermittent action.
I love Lance Henriksen. But for me, Guy Pearce smashed it as Weyland. The Ted Talk alone had far more substance than all of Charles Bishop Weyland.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jan 07, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
I love Lance Henriksen. But for me, Guy Pearce smashed it as Weyland. The Ted Talk alone had far more substance than all of Charles Bishop Weyland.
I love the TED Talk too, and would be swayed
if that was actually part of the film. But it's not in the film we were dealt. So in regards to AvP vs Prometheus, he's my personal Weyland winner. :)
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Yeah but between the TED Talk, Prometheus and Alien Covenant, Guy Pearce's portrayal wins hands down.
"Bring me this tea, David."
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Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jan 07, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
I love Lance Henriksen. But for me, Guy Pearce smashed it as Weyland. The Ted Talk alone had far more substance than all of Charles Bishop Weyland.
I love the TED Talk too, and would be swayed if that was actually part of the film. But it's not in the film we were dealt. So in regards to AvP vs Prometheus, he's my personal Weyland winner. :)
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I still can't decide if makeup Weyland is Gold Member or bad Grandpa.
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