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Title: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 02, 2008, 03:09:25 PM
I got this for my 20th birthday (4/29).  (Look at Avatar for pic)   It's on my right upper arm.  It cost $300, and took about 3 1/2 hours.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Da-Wolf on Jun 02, 2008, 03:48:54 PM
haha, you can't beat me!:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi291.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll302%2FDaLoNeWoLf%2FChestbursterTattoo.jpg&hash=4e1bed3b5e4346bab98994c27592d93a3de17691)
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 02, 2008, 03:54:37 PM
Ahh!  That's tight! I show people mine and they say "Hey you know what you have to get now right!?  An alien on the other arm!"  I've been toying with they idea of getting an alien with part of it's skinn ripped off crawling from my arm to my back with its tail wraped around my arm.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Da-Wolf on Jun 02, 2008, 03:56:41 PM
haha, that's not really me, but  ayways, cool tatto.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Alienseseses on Jun 03, 2008, 11:03:54 AM
I'm not into tattoos. I don't like scarring my skin with the image of something I might lose interest in.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 03, 2008, 03:06:41 PM
I've loved Predator since I was a little kid!  So I don't think that I'll be losing interest in it anytime soon.  Just like my Anubis tattoo... I highly doubt I'll lose interest in it.

Anubis (Ancient Egyptian God)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi130%2FBeniShroom%2FAnubis.jpg&hash=7b41ab34e0c9957c41ea2ca28f18a1d37530be87)

Mushroomhead (Unique band from Cleveland)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi130%2FBeniShroom%2F070207_12411.jpg&hash=14cc991ab61debb8fdd58745124656d8101ea79a)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi130%2FBeniShroom%2F070107_08031.jpg&hash=0def394a363a312993e0ce40a1c94d1ff754df9a)
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Master Chief on Jun 03, 2008, 03:48:01 PM
Can't tell what it is by looking at your avatar.  Post a better pic.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 03, 2008, 03:56:46 PM
These were taken from my phone so they're probably not even better.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi130%2FBeniShroom%2FImage012.jpg&hash=e010b4db496e8d97d5b7a864182b20c80ed8eba3)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi130%2FBeniShroom%2FPredatorTat_1-1.jpg&hash=17474013ba0cea0449df221a0e6cbbcb2e4359c5)
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Master Chief on Jun 03, 2008, 04:01:04 PM
Aw yes, the "Battle Damaged Predator".  Pretty cool!
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 03, 2008, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 03, 2008, 04:01:04 PM
Aw yes, the "Battle Damaged Predator".  Pretty cool!

Thanks!  I couldn't decide if I wanted him masked or not so I went with it 1/2 & 1/2!   ;D
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Alienseseses on Jun 04, 2008, 12:16:23 AM
I don't know, but it's kind of having a tattoo with your girlfriend's name on it.
20 years later, you're married to someone else.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: gameoverman on Jun 04, 2008, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jun 04, 2008, 12:16:23 AM
I don't know, but it's kind of having a tattoo with your girlfriend's name on it.
20 years later, you're married to someone else.

If I knew I'd hate Alien/Predator in 20 years - I'd kill myself before I could get to that stage.   :P
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Da-Wolf on Jun 04, 2008, 02:05:12 AM
I would get tattos of things that mean a lot to me in life, that way I will always remember how I used to be some tim when I was younger.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 04, 2008, 04:35:25 PM
I have a predator tatoo too (of wolf) took it 4 months ago (The wolf pred) ill see if i have a pic, i dont nail it like DA Wolf, but im happy, its not in colour (B/W) It took 2 hours and hurted like shit but was worth the pic

(edit)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg442.imageshack.us%2Fimg442%2F8647%2Ftattooetienne1xr4.jpg&hash=cdb6755cf5372d67d6cbf0b56dc30382aa55d652)

Btw nice battle damaged pred Wicked
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 04, 2008, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jun 04, 2008, 12:16:23 AM
I don't know, but it's kind of having a tattoo with your girlfriend's name on it.
20 years later, you're married to someone else.

Yeah, I hate it when someone gets a girlfriend's, or boyfriend's, name tattooed on them...  THAT is idiotic....

Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 04, 2008, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jun 04, 2008, 12:16:23 AM
I don't know, but it's kind of having a tattoo with your girlfriend's name on it.
20 years later, you're married to someone else.

If I knew I'd hate Alien/Predator in 20 years - I'd kill myself before I could get to that stage.   :P

Yeah, me too!

Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 04, 2008, 04:35:25 PM
I have a predator tatoo too (of wolf) took it 4 months ago (The wolf pred) ill see if i have a pic, i dont nail it like DA Wolf, but im happy, its not in colour (B/W) It took 2 hours and hurted like shit but was worth the pic

(edit)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg442.imageshack.us%2Fimg442%2F8647%2Ftattooetienne1xr4.jpg&hash=cdb6755cf5372d67d6cbf0b56dc30382aa55d652)

Btw nice battle damaged pred Wicked

That's pretty sweet!  And thanks!
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 05, 2008, 08:14:10 PM
THank you too, i like the coloring on yours, i choose no color cuz i prefer B/W tatoo's, though id like red pred marks on it (like the wrist comp)

Did it hurt by u too? (not like crying XD) But it stinged like crap by me...  :o
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 07, 2008, 05:07:06 PM
Not really....  Out of all of the tats I have I think that this one hurt the least.  It was VERY bearable!  ;)  While I was getting it done he kept on asking me if I was ok, or if I needed a break, and I told him that I was fine, and we just kept on going until it was done!
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 07, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
I remember mine hurting a bit in the beginning, when he did the edges, but as soon as he started the mask it really hurted (still bearable though) but i was gladly to take a break from it for 5 mins :P

I bleeded allot though, he asked if i took sum alcohol or something or bloodthiners but i didnt, so i guess it were my OCD meds...  :-\

Did you bleed?

Or did u say " I Aint got time to bleed" :P
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Amaymyon666 on Jun 07, 2008, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: Da-Wolf on Jun 02, 2008, 03:48:54 PM
haha, you can't beat me!:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi291.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll302%2FDaLoNeWoLf%2FChestbursterTattoo.jpg&hash=4e1bed3b5e4346bab98994c27592d93a3de17691)

HOLY f**k... dude that is without a doubt the sickest Aliens tat I see by far... I am getting an alien on my arm which should take up much space... I def post a pic once i get it next week... I want to arm wrestle someone with a predator on thier arm.... see who wins.. hehehe
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 07, 2008, 10:14:01 PM
Ill take that bet :P  ;D
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Reborn on Jun 09, 2008, 07:24:06 PM
Ok, come on guys, calm down, were all friends here on this forum.... How about a hug! AHHHHH!!!! NO, NOT THE FACEHUG!!!!!

Anyways, nice tat, even though I dont approve of branding yourself like that.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Private Hudson on Jun 10, 2008, 05:11:33 AM
As soon as I hit 18, I'm getting a tat, not decided of what yet though. :-\
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Master Chief on Jun 10, 2008, 03:24:54 PM
Get a barbed wire around your left arm...It'll tell the world not to mess with you...(holds in laugh);)
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 10, 2008, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 07, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
I remember mine hurting a bit in the beginning, when he did the edges, but as soon as he started the mask it really hurted (still bearable though) but i was gladly to take a break from it for 5 mins :P

I bleeded allot though, he asked if i took sum alcohol or something or bloodthiners but i didnt, so i guess it were my OCD meds...  :-\

Did you bleed?

Or did u say " I Aint got time to bleed" :P

LOL!  Yes I bled!  It's weird thought because it's not like normal bleeding, it just seeps through the skin!

Quote from: Private Hudson on Jun 10, 2008, 05:11:33 AM
As soon as I hit 18, I'm getting a tat, not decided of what yet though. :-\

Just make sure it's something you really like, and I suggest not getting a chicks name....
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 10, 2008, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: Wickid Shroom on Jun 10, 2008, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 07, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
I remember mine hurting a bit in the beginning, when he did the edges, but as soon as he started the mask it really hurted (still bearable though) but i was gladly to take a break from it for 5 mins :P

I bleeded allot though, he asked if i took sum alcohol or something or bloodthiners but i didnt, so i guess it were my OCD meds...  :-\

Did you bleed?

Or did u say " I Aint got time to bleed" :P

LOL!  Yes I bled!  It's weird thought because it's not like normal bleeding, it just seeps through the skin!


Yeah! Like a little net on it or something XD strange to see...

I want another predator tatoo, im thinking about the Celtic predator (love the mask) or the predator from predator 1 (unmasked)....

Or maybe an alien but dunno, im more a pred fan...
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 10, 2008, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Jun 10, 2008, 05:11:33 AM
As soon as I hit 18, I'm getting a tat, not decided of what yet though. :-\

Make sure you have your decision set in stone before you run out to a parlor on your birthday. A group of friends and I all turned 18 around the same time and they tried to get me to go with them to go get tattoos on a whim. I refused, and they all regret what they got lol.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 13, 2008, 12:42:51 AM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 10, 2008, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: Wickid Shroom on Jun 10, 2008, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 07, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
I remember mine hurting a bit in the beginning, when he did the edges, but as soon as he started the mask it really hurted (still bearable though) but i was gladly to take a break from it for 5 mins :P

I bleeded allot though, he asked if i took sum alcohol or something or bloodthiners but i didnt, so i guess it were my OCD meds...  :-\

Did you bleed?

Or did u say " I Aint got time to bleed" :P

LOL!  Yes I bled!  It's weird thought because it's not like normal bleeding, it just seeps through the skin!


Yeah! Like a little net on it or something XD strange to see...

I want another predator tatoo, im thinking about the Celtic predator (love the mask) or the predator from predator 1 (unmasked)....

Or maybe an alien but dunno, im more a pred fan...

Pic?
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 13, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.space-figuren.de%2Fenglshop%2Fimages%2Fhtcelticpredator3.jpg&hash=f27c5363016ec3f76947cf9cb183f68b6b120144)

Or

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.predatorstuff.com%2Fblogimages%2Fblog_cmpred_newpics.jpg&hash=1276b8294734e03a48af20514e9cbee37a63aac2)

In this style:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zhippo.com%2FMikeDevriesTattoosHOSTED%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2Fpredator.jpg&hash=8a55aff1fe3f7e203e40dd75506a852accc2cba7)
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Master Chief on Jun 13, 2008, 02:24:22 PM
I've always liked this variant of the Celtic.  I think there's a drawing of it on the "Best predator pic" thread.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi33.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd86%2Fgsx009%2FCeltic-1.jpg&hash=bbef04f9025511a6577f3d77bc89b1a2cb7c9a8c)
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: LukaKovach on Jun 13, 2008, 03:02:17 PM
I've been toying with the idea of a predator tattoo for years now (I'm almost 23 right now), but I don't know... I only have one tattoo and it was a very bad experience, it turned out looking like crap... I need to find an artist that can really capture the predator in all it's glory.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Master Chief on Jun 13, 2008, 03:17:25 PM
I feel what you're saying.  It's a big deal to have someone blast art on you.  The best thing you can do is go to different shops, check out the artist's portfolio, and make a sound decision based off their art.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 13, 2008, 06:55:18 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 13, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.space-figuren.de%2Fenglshop%2Fimages%2Fhtcelticpredator3.jpg&hash=f27c5363016ec3f76947cf9cb183f68b6b120144)

Or

http://www.predatorstuff.com/blogimages/blog_cmpred_newpics.jpg

In this style:

http://www.zhippo.com/MikeDevriesTattoosHOSTED/images/gallery/predator.jpg

Ohh that's what it is!  I was never a big fan of those masks....  :-\  Out of all the ones from the movies I like Wolf's and the original's the best.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 13, 2008, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: LukaKovach on Jun 13, 2008, 03:02:17 PM
I've been toying with the idea of a predator tattoo for years now (I'm almost 23 right now), but I don't know... I only have one tattoo and it was a very bad experience, it turned out looking like crap... I need to find an artist that can really capture the predator in all it's glory.

Well thats a big deal of course, too bad u had a bad 1st experience... :( Like Master Chief said, take a look around here and there and then make up ur mind

I thought if i dont take the pred now ill always think about doing it anyways, and they told me tatooíng is addicting... wich it is :P

Im gonna have a new pred, just dunno when and dont know masked or onmasked.... such a difficult decision...

@wicked, i already have wolf on it, i want a new one, and i always loved the celtic mask, only what i doubt about is cuz its AVP and not predator... wich kinda sux :P
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: LukaKovach on Jun 16, 2008, 12:45:03 AM
Hey guys, thanks for the comments, yesterday I looked around for tattooers and I met this guy who can REALLY tattoo. Anyway, I wanted to ask your opinions on the following pics and how they'd look as tattoos, I pretty much like them all equally.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2FPredator_Tattoo_by_NickShev.jpg&hash=0d0475c5a412871ef4da3e596047154834332d73)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2F00cover.jpg&hash=c5a203ef743e0ea6c377358d9fecc415c62616f1)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2FPredator_by_bobw77.jpg&hash=6c76e0915635e039b63cf8fbbd61068b79cd85c1)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2Fpredator_by_preachercaine.jpg&hash=717f070370c23d3cc5aad6328ac24ec844fd608b)

I also really like this pic but damn, you can't make out any details (curse the darkness!), I love the pose though:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2Frefined-avp207704018-11-23.jpg&hash=a67a5732f6256e98201692ca97c3b3bb2497d357)

Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 16, 2008, 12:49:34 AM
I like the second, the comic cover. It is simple enough for the artist, and bad ass enough to stick out.
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: LukaKovach on Jun 16, 2008, 01:42:12 AM
Yeah I really like the comic book cover, it's been actually my favorite for years, the other pics are newly found additions to my possible tattoo options...

I have a new contestant though, and it is bad ass...

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2FYour_one_ugly_mother____by_hammer_f.jpg&hash=1527d0e5fdcdad73aab950c96e7f8587337dd5fa)

I'm really liking that... Loved to see it in my back...
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 16, 2008, 01:50:15 AM
It is bad ass, but it would prolly need to be pretty big to get all that detail and the bigger the tat, the more expensive it is. 
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 16, 2008, 07:00:30 PM
I would make the tattoo from the head till the torso, else it gets too big, unless you wanna cover your whole body with a pred.... :)


And i made up my mind, im gonna do this one:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zhippo.com%2FMikeDevriesTattoosHOSTED%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2Fpredator.jpg&hash=8a55aff1fe3f7e203e40dd75506a852accc2cba7)

But with a celtic predator mask:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.space-figuren.de%2Fenglshop%2Fimages%2Fhtcelticpredator3.jpg&hash=f27c5363016ec3f76947cf9cb183f68b6b120144)


Dunno if ill do it in color, im gonna go to the tatoo shop soon to let it be drawn out :)
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 16, 2008, 07:02:46 PM
Awesome choice! You getting a shoulder?
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Jun 16, 2008, 07:06:39 PM
Yeah, i have the wolf pred on page 1 on my left one so this one comes right :) :D

Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 16, 2008, 07:34:37 PM
I wish I wasnt so scrawny, I dont have enough skin for big stuff like that  :'(
Title: Re: Predator Tat.
Post by: Wickid Shroom on Jun 17, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 13, 2008, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: LukaKovach on Jun 13, 2008, 03:02:17 PM
I've been toying with the idea of a predator tattoo for years now (I'm almost 23 right now), but I don't know... I only have one tattoo and it was a very bad experience, it turned out looking like crap... I need to find an artist that can really capture the predator in all it's glory.

Well thats a big deal of course, too bad u had a bad 1st experience... :( Like Master Chief said, take a look around here and there and then make up ur mind

I thought if i dont take the pred now ill always think about doing it anyways, and they told me tatooíng is addicting... wich it is :P

Im gonna have a new pred, just dunno when and dont know masked or onmasked.... such a difficult decision...

@wicked, i already have wolf on it, i want a new one, and i always loved the celtic mask, only what i doubt about is cuz its AVP and not predator... wich kinda sux :P

Getting a tattoo is VERY addicting!  I've heard that people that get their first tat either hate it so much they never get another, or they get addicted!  I got my first one close to a year ago and I've spent $600+, and had close to 9-10 hours of work done.  If I had more money I've have more....

Quote from: LukaKovach on Jun 16, 2008, 12:45:03 AM
Hey guys, thanks for the comments, yesterday I looked around for tattooers and I met this guy who can REALLY tattoo. Anyway, I wanted to ask your opinions on the following pics and how they'd look as tattoos, I pretty much like them all equally.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l134/LukaKovach/Predator_Tattoo_by_NickShev.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l134/LukaKovach/00cover.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l134/LukaKovach/Predator_by_bobw77.jpg

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2Fpredator_by_preachercaine.jpg&hash=717f070370c23d3cc5aad6328ac24ec844fd608b)

I also really like this pic but damn, you can't make out any details (curse the darkness!), I love the pose though:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl134%2FLukaKovach%2Frefined-avp207704018-11-23.jpg&hash=a67a5732f6256e98201692ca97c3b3bb2497d357)



I like the 3rd.  :D

Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jun 16, 2008, 07:00:30 PM
I would make the tattoo from the head till the torso, else it gets too big, unless you wanna cover your whole body with a pred.... :)


And i made up my mind, im gonna do this one:

http://www.zhippo.com/MikeDevriesTattoosHOSTED/images/gallery/predator.jpg

But with a celtic predator mask:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.space-figuren.de%2Fenglshop%2Fimages%2Fhtcelticpredator3.jpg&hash=f27c5363016ec3f76947cf9cb183f68b6b120144)


Dunno if ill do it in color, im gonna go to the tatoo shop soon to let it be drawn out :)


Awesome!  Once it's done be sure to show us!

Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 16, 2008, 07:34:37 PM
I wish I wasnt so scrawny, I dont have enough skin for big stuff like that  :'(

The dude who did my Pred tat is pretty skinny, but he has a bunch of tats.  When he got his side done he joke that it was going to pierce to the other side!  He got his side done after watching me get mine done, and he said that after watching me he felt a lot better because there was a other people that were being bitchs about getting their side done (like they wouldn't sit still, and they would wanna take a bunch of breaks, etc...).