I have absolutely no idea as to the truth of this...
QuoteAlmost all shoots of Alien in #AlienCovenant were cut in China... So Chinese audience will see a Alien film without Alien...
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872099613699866624
Is this a joke? Are they going to cut Alien from the title as well? :)
QuoteChinese version is 116 min confirmed by official license. FOX held limited previews few hours ago. Audience said no Alien
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872103456533774336
I can't even imagine how that would work. How is Oram's death explained, or the fate of the remaining crew? How do you edit around the creature in a way that would even make sense?
How...how is that even possible? The movie will be incoherent.
And why?
thats just sad. .i seriously hope it's not true. . So what will danny be shooting at then?. .so no neo or xeno? . .why bother even releasing it then. .?
That cannot be true, the film would have to be a lot shorter than 116mins to cut out the alien.
There's two ways they did this
a. they replaced the Alien with the Neomorph (unlikely)
b. they jump-cut to them leaving right after the android kung-fu (removing Oram's death beforehand, perhaps cutting before he enters the chamber leaving his fate unknown) and jump-cut AGAIN to the ending scene (so basically they assume the crew has left unscathed). That way should be around 20 minutes or so of cut footage
If that happened, did they add any new scenes like the crossing or whatever else that was cut to fill in the scenes without the Alien?
Any particular reason why this was done?
the Chinese censor gore and violence. They removes 17 minutes from Logan. http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/arts-music/article/2076755/chinas-film-censorship-paradox-restricted-content
Nail to the coffin. It will damage Covenant box office in China like hell. Why did they censor Alien? Ridiculous. Scenes with Neomorphs are more gore an brutal. And what about final fight with Xeno?
That means the neomorphs are out as well? ???
Quote from: Deadmeat on Jun 06, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
That means the neomorphs are out as well? ???
If they're cut then movie won't make any sense at all. It's like watching
Terminator without terminator.
one of the chinese members on here said that in a limited release of prometheus it was severely cut in theaters. .no medpod scene and no fifield and milburn with the hammerpede. .amongst other things. .
no wonder piracy is so big in china. .
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 06, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
How...how is that even possible? The movie will be incoherent.
And why?
Haha this country is incoherent regarding movies so that make sense
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 06, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
How...how is that even possible? The movie will be incoherent.
And why?
As if that bothers Fox...
What a punch for Fox. KO.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jun 06, 2017, 03:08:55 PM
There's two ways they did this
a. they replaced the Alien with the Neomorph (unlikely)
b. they jump-cut to them leaving right after the android kung-fu (removing Oram's death beforehand, perhaps cutting before he enters the chamber leaving his fate unknown) and jump-cut AGAIN to the ending scene (so basically they assume the crew has left unscathed). That way should be around 20 minutes or so of cut footage
But the run time is 116mins so thats only bout 7mins removed isn't it?
like the BO was not bad enought already?. .whats left of covenant won't be enought to even double the production cost. .i am actually starting to long for an avp 3. .never thought i would say this. .guess thats the only way we will ever get the xeno back on the screen again. .
Horrible, horrible news...
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jun 06, 2017, 03:08:55 PM
There's two ways they did this
a. they replaced the Alien with the Neomorph (unlikely)
b. they jump-cut to them leaving right after the android kung-fu (removing Oram's death beforehand, perhaps cutting before he enters the chamber leaving his fate unknown) and jump-cut AGAIN to the ending scene (so basically they assume the crew has left unscathed). That way should be around 20 minutes or so of cut footage
But the run time is 116mins so thats only bout 7mins removed isn't it?
They will have added other footage to pad it out. Maybe the crossing etc.
To be fair, not every Hollywood movie even gets a cinema release in China. If you're not on the list, it doesn't get shown. This news really isn't surprising with the censorship over there. It will still make some money which is better than nothing.
Quote from: 900SL on Jun 06, 2017, 04:02:59 PM
They will have added other footage to pad it out. Maybe the crossing etc.
One would hope Fox at least did that, so it won't be a mess.
Were the Chinese censors unhappy about the quality of the Alien CGI? :P
Anyway, my signature has been amended...
I'd be curious to see this version just for fun. That's really odd though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
QuoteChinese version is 116 min confirmed by official license. FOX held limited previews few hours ago. Audience said no Alien
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872103456533774336
Chinese test audience says no Alien. Does this mean Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof and Tom Rothman get to have their "I told you so!" moment at Fox? For Ridley, this must be an especially bitter "I told you so" moment. The most populous country in the world doesn't want the alien at all. Fox really effed this up.
I wonder if this movie is better with seven minutes of leaping CGI lizards chopped out. More like the original film, no doubt.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
QuoteChinese version is 116 min confirmed by official license. FOX held limited previews few hours ago. Audience said no Alien
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872103456533774336
Chinese test audience says no Alien. Does this mean Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof and Tom Rothman get to have their "I told you so!" moment at Fox? For Ridley, this must be an especially bitter "I told you so" moment. The most populous country in the world doesn't want the alien at all. Fox really effed this up.
I wonder if this movie is better with seven minutes of leaping CGI lizards chopped out. More like the original film, no doubt.
It wasn't the preview audience who wanted "NO ALIEN!" It's probably China's censors who cut it out.
Nice try though. :)
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
QuoteChinese version is 116 min confirmed by official license. FOX held limited previews few hours ago. Audience said no Alien
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872103456533774336
Chinese test audience says no Alien. Does this mean Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof and Tom Rothman get to have their "I told you so!" moment at Fox? For Ridley, this must be an especially bitter "I told you so" moment. The most populous country in the world doesn't want the alien at all. Fox really effed this up.
I wonder if this movie is better with seven minutes of leaping CGI lizards chopped out. More like the original film, no doubt.
It isn't that they don't want it, their censors won't allow it. It's not a fair comparison either because I can't fathom the movie making any sense.
It won't be anything like the original film. The characters are still very poorly defined but now the alien isn't even in the film.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 06, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
QuoteChinese version is 116 min confirmed by official license. FOX held limited previews few hours ago. Audience said no Alien
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872103456533774336
Chinese test audience says no Alien. Does this mean Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof and Tom Rothman get to have their "I told you so!" moment at Fox? For Ridley, this must be an especially bitter "I told you so" moment. The most populous country in the world doesn't want the alien at all. Fox really effed this up.
I wonder if this movie is better with seven minutes of leaping CGI lizards chopped out. More like the original film, no doubt.
It wasn't the preview audience who wanted "NO ALIEN!" It's probably China's censors who cut it out.
Nice try though. :)
Read the post I was responding to. "Test audience" said "no alien", not censors. Plain as day.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 06, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
QuoteChinese version is 116 min confirmed by official license. FOX held limited previews few hours ago. Audience said no Alien
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872103456533774336
Chinese test audience says no Alien. Does this mean Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof and Tom Rothman get to have their "I told you so!" moment at Fox? For Ridley, this must be an especially bitter "I told you so" moment. The most populous country in the world doesn't want the alien at all. Fox really effed this up.
I wonder if this movie is better with seven minutes of leaping CGI lizards chopped out. More like the original film, no doubt.
It wasn't the preview audience who wanted "NO ALIEN!" It's probably China's censors who cut it out.
Nice try though. :)
Read the post I was responding to. "Test audience" said "no alien", not censors. Plain as day.
It is reporting that the film they saw had no aliens in it. It was censored out.
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
. .i have never seen an alien movie with well developed characters. . . .theirs no time for in a 2 hour action horror .nobody really f**king cares. .yes maybe for the main character. . I watch an alien movie i want action and gore. .character development is of slightly less importance. .their was plenty of character development in covenant. .more than i even cared for. .they gonna get killed in any way. .so who cares. .did the crew of alien have any character development. .did anyone want a flashback scene of ripley running around on a farm and her daddy buying her a pony. .f**k no!. .so you cut the aliens .. Then whats left. .people in space?. .and theirs f**kall to even scream at. .
hahaha i definitely wanna see this version! Could be interesting if they hold back on all those Cgi Aliens that are in the final product.
Quote from: juxtapose on Jun 06, 2017, 06:15:03 PM
. .i have never seen an alien movie with well developed characters. . . .theirs no time for in a 2 hour action horror .nobody really f**king cares. .yes maybe for the main character. . I watch an alien movie i want action and gore. .character development is of slightly less importance. .their was plenty of character development in covenant. .more than i even cared for. .they gonna get killed in any way. .so who cares. .did the crew of alien have any character development. .did anyone want a flashback scene of ripley running around on a farm and her daddy buying her a pony. .f**k no!
That's why Ripley and David are the most successful characters: more episodes to develop. I wish we could have followed a preplanned Shaw arc for three movies! Could have been amazong to see an actual developing story and character in this series.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jun 06, 2017, 05:32:32 PM
I'd be curious to see this version just for fun. That's really odd though.
;)
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
Why would they remove the Alien but not the Neo? Those scenes are far more violent.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
Why would they remove the Alien but not the Neo? Those scenes are far more violent.
Yeah, I think the entire backbusting scene along with mouthbusting scene is 90% removed. But they show more adult/adolescent form of Neomorph. I have no idea why they cut the Xeno. But according to some posts, it's Fox studio who cut the film not Chinese censor.
Sounds like it may be akin to watching a Super-B abridged cut! :P
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 06, 2017, 03:26:14 PM
If they're cut then movie won't make any sense at all. It's like watching Terminator without terminator.
Or Garfield-minus-Garfield.
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
That's odd. There are plenty of moments with the Xeno running around and approaching that aren't violent or gory at all.
I'm shitting you not guys... I'm holding out my opinion until I get to see this cut because there is a chance it could be great. :laugh:
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 06, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
I'm shitting you not guys... I'm holding out my opinion until I get to see this cut because there is a chance it could be great. :laugh:
:laugh:
No aliens means what?
Just footage or story wise. We get a hashtag #f**kyou and people go nuts. lol. this is unprecedented prejudice.
I think when they said no aliens they mean no xenomorphs, except that there is about 10 seconds of a xenomorph head shot. However the neomorphs are still in it and have a little bit more time. This cut could be more philosophical and way less 3rd act, which as I recall, is what what people complained about.
There is one hell of a great pg-13 movie in Alien: Covenant. If edited right.
ACTUALLY... The creature f/x in COVENANT is so awful, it might actually make it a better film.
At least you wouldn't be jarred out of the movie every time it shows a cartoon, CGI monster.
REALLY disappointed with how bad the f/x were, and that they decided on CGI of all things to
do what has always been best done with robotics, suits and clever editing techniques.
Quote from: MnTd on Jun 06, 2017, 11:36:40 PM
ACTUALLY... The creature f/x in COVENANT is so awful, it might actually make it a better film.
At least you wouldn't be jarred out of the movie every time it shows a cartoon, CGI monster.
REALLY disappointed with how bad the f/x were, and that they decided on CGI of all things to
do what has always been best done with robotics, suits and clever editing techniques.
I must have seen a different film.
Well, that's an extreme punch in the nuts to its prospects there if it had any.
This has a ton of info on the matter, and talks about a recent law even allowing something like it to be released there:
https://www.google.com/amp/variety.com/2017/film/asia/alien-covenant-sets-june-release-date-in-china-1202416533/amp/
Does anyone have any comparisons or info or know how the other films were treated there?
Do the Chinese BLURAYS release the same versions shown in Chinese theaters?
If so, I would be very interested in getting the Chinese bluray!!!
It would be great if someone would break down exactly what is gone and what new exists!
Less CGI, less stupid super hero type action scenes and more dialog could be great!
i cannot believe people being so upset about the creature fx in covenant and not wanting to see the alien to make it more mysterious. .go watch alien then, it worked for the first movie, but after aliens you seriously can't go back. .the more i get to see of it the better. .i wonder if the facehuggers was cut in this chinese version ?
Quote from: MnTd on Jun 06, 2017, 11:46:22 PM
Do the Chinese BLURAYS release the same versions shown in Chinese theaters?
If so, I would be very interested in getting the Chinese bluray!!!
It would be great if someone would break down exactly what is gone and what new exists!
Less CGI, less stupid super hero type action scenes and more dialog could be great!
They do it's call Mainland China Cut
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Prometheus-Blu-ray/65795/
It could possibly work if you cut out the first xeno ( which I thought should have been done anyway) then the ending of the movie is just the Lope burster chase and ending ( with shower scene cut). There's no gore there, just the Alien chase and then out the space lock.
Funnily enough, that cut of the movie removes most of the horrendous scenes ( Oram looking in egg, shower scene, dumbest Alien in the Universe jumping into cranes jaws) and probably fixes the terrible end pacing.
Maybe the Chinese have accidentally made a better cut of the movie lol
Edit: it would probably also remove the "I'm just going for a walk to die down this corridor scene"
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 06, 2017, 11:23:35 PM
I think when they said no aliens they mean no xenomorphs, except that there is about 10 seconds of a xenomorph head shot. However the neomorphs are still in it and have a little bit more time. This cut could be more philosophical and way less 3rd act, which as I recall, is what what people complained about.
There is one hell of a great pg-13 movie in Alien: Covenant. If edited right.
Yes! Most of the issues that I had with the film were in the third act since it felt they shoehorned 'Alien' into the finale. The first two acts felt almost like a true sequel to Prometheus until the end. So, if they cut all of that, and perhaps added some stuff back like 'The Crossing' with Noomi then I'd say good!
I see for the Prometheus blu-ray they sell a version with two cuts, so if they do this for Covenant, I'd order that blu-ray.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Prometheus-3D-Blu-ray/65794/
that makes no sense but i am very curious to see how it turned out
Well the CG was pretty terrible so maybe it will get better?
Quote from: Richman678 on Jun 07, 2017, 02:03:00 AM
Well the CG was pretty terrible so maybe it will get better?
no i thought the cg was awesome. .i mean c'mon a guy in a suit lurking in the shadows. . I've seen that movie already
I thought thw cgi was good overall but i would have greatly preferred them to use practical and cgi together more instead of painting over all of tbe practical.
So China censors the xenomorph, but not zombies in the last Resident Evil movie that made 160 f**king million dollars there?
lol What a world.
Alien Coverup
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 07, 2017, 03:26:07 AM
I thought thw cgi was good overall but i would have greatly preferred them to use practical and cgi together more instead of painting over all of tbe practical.
yes i agree. .a combination of practical and cg is the best way to go. .but I thought it still looked great and the budget was very decent if you take everything into account. .
I think although the CGI doesn't look perfect, movies these days have conditioned me to not bother about it. I mean your literally bombarded with so much CGI now, it's past the point of rating it anymore.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 08:51:42 PM
Sounds like it may be akin to watching a Super-B abridged cut! :P
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What was that scene at 16:44 when she sees some corpse on the deck? I don't recall seeing it in any version of the film nor any extras...
That early in the film it's probably the toasted Captain.
Quote from: Highland on Jun 07, 2017, 06:40:50 AM
I think although the CGI doesn't look perfect, movies these days have conditioned me to not bother about it. I mean your literally bombarded with so much CGI now, it's past the point of rating it anymore.
Thata sorta the problem mate. Our standards have been lowered!
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Jun 07, 2017, 08:24:57 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 08:51:42 PM
Sounds like it may be akin to watching a Super-B abridged cut! :P
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What was that scene at 16:44 when she sees some corpse on the deck? I don't recall seeing it in any version of the film nor any extras...
It's in every version of the film when she finds Parker and Lambert.
Quote from: T Dog on Jun 07, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
Quote from: Highland on Jun 07, 2017, 06:40:50 AM
I think although the CGI doesn't look perfect, movies these days have conditioned me to not bother about it. I mean your literally bombarded with so much CGI now, it's past the point of rating it anymore.
Thata sorta the problem mate. Our standards have been lowered!
Well you have serious problems anyway when Cameron's Aliens look better than your 2017 selection.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 07, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Jun 07, 2017, 08:24:57 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 08:51:42 PM
Sounds like it may be akin to watching a Super-B abridged cut! :P
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What was that scene at 16:44 when she sees some corpse on the deck? I don't recall seeing it in any version of the film nor any extras...
It's in every version of the film when she finds Parker and Lambert.
Sorry, this copy's quality and editing made it seem as if it was something else. Plus last time I watched Alien it was after 3:00 am in the cinema. Things got blurry to say the least.
According to a thread on r/LV426 the China edit has -
More scenes including the Neo
The Xeno is implied to be there, not shown
About approx 10 seconds of the Xeno but no full body shots...
The xeno was cut due to Chinese censors (obviously)
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/6fqn7s/chinese_edit_of_covenant_has_no_aliens/?st=j3n4p6fg&sh=4cd72d15
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
According to a thread on r/LV426 the China edit has -
More scenes including the Neo
The Xeno is implied to be there, not shown
About approx 10 seconds of the Xeno but no full body shots...
The xeno was cut due to Chinese censors (obviously)
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/6fqn7s/chinese_edit_of_covenant_has_no_aliens/?st=j3n4p6fg&sh=4cd72d15
I still don't understand why the Neo is ok with the Chinese censors but the Alien isn't, am I missing something?
Maybe they took offence at the shape of it's head?
But then again, the Neo...
Yeah, the alien has a penis for a head. The neo's head is more pointy...
...but it DOES have a butthole for a mouth.
Whatever, China. Whatever.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 07, 2017, 04:03:03 PM
Maybe they took offence at the shape of it's head?
Most likely, even though you never get a glamour shot of the penis back end of it
Quote from: juxtapose on Jun 07, 2017, 04:36:15 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 07, 2017, 03:26:07 AM
I thought thw cgi was good overall but i would have greatly preferred them to use practical and cgi together more instead of painting over all of tbe practical.
yes i agree. .a combination of practical and cg is the best way to go. .but I thought it still looked great and the budget was very decent if you take everything into account. .
This. There are tons of CG in fury road for example but the core is practical stunt work and props and there is where your mind focuses.
And by tons I mean it would probably surprise most folks how much of that movie shots were changed by computer. But the core of every shot is almost always practical. That movie could not have been made the way it was without todays technology.
CG is fine but not for the core story elements.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
Why would they remove the Alien but not the Neo? Those scenes are far more violent.
Here is a more detailed account on the deleted scenes of Chinese version.
back bursting is entirely removed. They only kept a second of baby Neo close-up
baby Neo attacking Karine is removed.
baby neo smashing the window is removed
mouth bursting is removed
Engineer scene, some more detailed engineer death scenes are removed.
Rosenthal encountering adult neo; the first Neo close up is there, but the sequent jaw-opening and neck biting is removed.
Rosenthal's head floating is removed
Shaw is body scene is mostly removed, they kept about a second of face close up.
David kissing Walter is removed
The chest bursting scene is partially removed, but the Xeno baby close-up is kept. However the hand waving mimic part is removed.
Close up on the acid blood effect of the face hugger is removed
The first adult Xeno encounter. Three seconds of Xeno close up is removed.
About 3-4 seconds of Adult Xeno smashing its head against the window close up is removed.
Shower scene, most Xeno attack scene is removed.
Some Xeno close up in the last confrontation is removed.
And also, the movie is official retitled as "Fantastic Aliens and Where to Find Them?"
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 07, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
Why would they remove the Alien but not the Neo? Those scenes are far more violent.
Here is a more detailed account on the deleted scenes of Chinese version.
back bursting is entirely removed. They only kept a second of baby Neo close-up
baby Neo attacking Karine is removed.
baby neo smashing the window is removed
mouth bursting is removed
Engineer scene, some more detailed engineer death scenes are removed.
Rosenthal encountering adult neo; the first Neo close up is there, but the sequent jaw-opening and neck biting is removed.
Rosenthal's head floating is removed
Shaw is body scene is mostly removed, they kept about a second of face close up.
David kissing Walter is removed
The chest bursting scene is partially removed, but the Xeno baby close-up is kept. However the hand waving mimic part is removed.
Close up on the acid blood effect of the face hugger is removed
The first adult Xeno encounter. Three seconds of Xeno close up is removed.
About 3-4 seconds of Adult Xeno smashing its head against the window close up is removed.
Shower scene, most Xeno attack scene is removed.
Some Xeno close up in the last confrontation is removed.
And also, the movie is official retitled as "Fantastic Aliens and Where to Find Them?"
Lol is the last line a joke? :D
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Jun 07, 2017, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 07, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
Why would they remove the Alien but not the Neo? Those scenes are far more violent.
Here is a more detailed account on the deleted scenes of Chinese version.
back bursting is entirely removed. They only kept a second of baby Neo close-up
baby Neo attacking Karine is removed.
baby neo smashing the window is removed
mouth bursting is removed
Engineer scene, some more detailed engineer death scenes are removed.
Rosenthal encountering adult neo; the first Neo close up is there, but the sequent jaw-opening and neck biting is removed.
Rosenthal's head floating is removed
Shaw is body scene is mostly removed, they kept about a second of face close up.
David kissing Walter is removed
The chest bursting scene is partially removed, but the Xeno baby close-up is kept. However the hand waving mimic part is removed.
Close up on the acid blood effect of the face hugger is removed
The first adult Xeno encounter. Three seconds of Xeno close up is removed.
About 3-4 seconds of Adult Xeno smashing its head against the window close up is removed.
Shower scene, most Xeno attack scene is removed.
Some Xeno close up in the last confrontation is removed.
And also, the movie is official retitled as "Fantastic Aliens and Where to Find Them?"
Lol is the last line a joke? :D
Nope, I don't think Chinese audience will ever find the Aliens without some extra help from Danny lol.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Jun 07, 2017, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 07, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 06, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Ain't everyone seem to be complaining about the third act with Xeno anyway? It would be interesting to see the "no/less-Xeno" version.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jun 06, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 06, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 06, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
Ah, I misunderstood. Will be interesting to see reviews and box office fro China to see how they like it. Of it does huge business in China with the Aliens cut out but tanked just about everywhere else, that is also an interesting indicator.
I don't know what it would be an indicator of really. I haven't seen the Chinese cut but I can't imagine its coherent at all. If it succeeds I don't know what that really tells you.
I can't see it making any sense what so ever and would this also mean no neomorpth either?
According to some reviews, the Neomorph got more scenes than Xenomorph. I think someone said there is only about 10+ seconds of Xenomorph's appearance and none of them includes a full-body shot. On the bright side, maybe this will make Xeno mysterious again lol.
Why would they remove the Alien but not the Neo? Those scenes are far more violent.
Here is a more detailed account on the deleted scenes of Chinese version.
back bursting is entirely removed. They only kept a second of baby Neo close-up
baby Neo attacking Karine is removed.
baby neo smashing the window is removed
mouth bursting is removed
Engineer scene, some more detailed engineer death scenes are removed.
Rosenthal encountering adult neo; the first Neo close up is there, but the sequent jaw-opening and neck biting is removed.
Rosenthal's head floating is removed
Shaw is body scene is mostly removed, they kept about a second of face close up.
David kissing Walter is removed
The chest bursting scene is partially removed, but the Xeno baby close-up is kept. However the hand waving mimic part is removed.
Close up on the acid blood effect of the face hugger is removed
The first adult Xeno encounter. Three seconds of Xeno close up is removed.
About 3-4 seconds of Adult Xeno smashing its head against the window close up is removed.
Shower scene, most Xeno attack scene is removed.
Some Xeno close up in the last confrontation is removed.
And also, the movie is official retitled as "Fantastic Aliens and Where to Find Them?"
Lol is the last line a joke? :D
Wait, I actually wanted to say Newt Scamander... Never mind, wrong joke.
Won't mind an extra Newt in the franchise though lol.
Here you go, Fox. I fixed the poster for your Chinese release:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7PsgKJA.jpg&hash=1529f94f47766d33c398b972cb09c74596392f2b)
Add more Shaw might be a better film
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 07, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
Here is a more detailed account on the deleted scenes of Chinese version.
back bursting is entirely removed. They only kept a second of baby Neo close-up
baby Neo attacking Karine is removed.
baby neo smashing the window is removed
mouth bursting is removed
Engineer scene, some more detailed engineer death scenes are removed.
Rosenthal encountering adult neo; the first Neo close up is there, but the sequent jaw-opening and neck biting is removed.
Rosenthal's head floating is removed
Shaw is body scene is mostly removed, they kept about a second of face close up.
David kissing Walter is removed
The chest bursting scene is partially removed, but the Xeno baby close-up is kept. However the hand waving mimic part is removed.
Close up on the acid blood effect of the face hugger is removed
The first adult Xeno encounter. Three seconds of Xeno close up is removed.
About 3-4 seconds of Adult Xeno smashing its head against the window close up is removed.
Shower scene, most Xeno attack scene is removed.
Some Xeno close up in the last confrontation is removed.
And also, the movie is official retitled as "Fantastic Aliens and Where to Find Them?"
Well that makes it sound like the vast majority of the alien stuff is still in the film... It sounds more like the neomorph almost got completely removed.
I just want to go on the record and say that IMO if they removed every scence with the Alien and replaced the ALIEN with the Neomorph, it would have been a substantially better film.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2017, 02:40:29 PM
I have absolutely no idea as to the truth of this...
QuoteAlmost all shoots of Alien in #AlienCovenant were cut in China... So Chinese audience will see a Alien film without Alien...
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/872099613699866624
Maybe because they expect the film to leak from China and are trying to make sure cleaner versions don't get out in lieu of the weak BO? - A shot in the dark.
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 07, 2017, 08:59:48 PM
Here you go, Fox. I fixed the poster for your Chinese release:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7PsgKJA.jpg&hash=1529f94f47766d33c398b972cb09c74596392f2b)
...
Quote from: Highland on Jun 07, 2017, 06:40:50 AM
I think although the CGI doesn't look perfect, movies these days have conditioned me to not bother about it. I mean your literally bombarded with so much CGI now, it's past the point of rating it anymore.
Yes. The use of CGI has become a widespread tool for modern film makers (just as miniatures and rear screen projection was in the past).
Take David Fincher. He uses lots of CGI in his recent films, even when it would not seem necessary.
According to one video (see below), "The Social Network" had more special effects shots than "Godzilla".
Film making has always included special effects shots since the beginning from "A Trip to the Moon" to "Citizen Kane" to "Alien".
- CGI has now gotten so good that if a director, like Fincher, wants to make a typical city background CGI, the audience can not tell that it's CGI.
The Winklevoss twins in "The Social Network" (played by one actor) are done with seamless digital effects.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QChWIFi8fOY
;)
Quote from: Seed-and-Weed on Jun 07, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
Here is a more detailed account on the deleted scenes of Chinese version.
back bursting is entirely removed. They only kept a second of baby Neo close-up
baby Neo attacking Karine is removed.
baby neo smashing the window is removed
mouth bursting is removed
Engineer scene, some more detailed engineer death scenes are removed.
Rosenthal encountering adult neo; the first Neo close up is there, but the sequent jaw-opening and neck biting is removed.
Rosenthal's head floating is removed
Shaw is body scene is mostly removed, they kept about a second of face close up.
David kissing Walter is removed
The chest bursting scene is partially removed, but the Xeno baby close-up is kept. However the hand waving mimic part is removed.
Close up on the acid blood effect of the face hugger is removed
The first adult Xeno encounter. Three seconds of Xeno close up is removed.
About 3-4 seconds of Adult Xeno smashing its head against the window close up is removed.
Shower scene, most Xeno attack scene is removed.
Some Xeno close up in the last confrontation is removed.
Do you have a source for this info, please?
Regardless of censorship cuts, I think the film was destined to do poorly in mainland China. There has been no real advertising outside of Tier-1 cities (and the advertising there has been very minimal compared to other countries) and a 2-D release. I've been seeing posters and ads everywhere for the latest Pirates of the Caribbean film and Chinese social media posts hyping that p.o.s., in contrast.
I would hope those with their eyes on the financial returns for this film would be smart enough to not pin hopes on the Chinese film-going audience. Most who do have an interest have already downloaded crappy cam versions.
That said, I'll be seeing it with several expats on release, just to see what isn't there. The cuts made to Logan felt very jarring to me, so I hope that isn't the case here. :(
http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2017/06/08/china-censored-version-alien-covenant-has-next-no-alien-it
Some more intel on the matter.
The censors regard themselves as intellectually and morally superior to the lower classes, hence why they are not affected by the cut material. It's a caste thing.
Very interesting. I fully support the regime's decision to shield their cinema audiences from the ridiculous 'fully-formed' Oram chestburster footage! :P
In fact, there's a part of me that's actually curious to view this 'Chinese Cut' sometime, to see how it turned out. ;D
@ CainsSon - like you, I kinda feel that I'd have preferred ALIEN COVENANT to have just featured the albino-like Neomorphs throughout. Something nearer the 'Giger-esque'-looking 'Big Chap' could have then come about in the next movie instead.
Trouble is, I reckon there would have been a helluva lot of complaints either way...
(by the way, love the fan poster which erased the alien, and only features David now!) :laugh:
QuoteHere is a more detailed account on the deleted scenes of Chinese version.
back bursting is entirely removed. They only kept a second of baby Neo close-up
baby Neo attacking Karine is removed.
baby neo smashing the window is removed
mouth bursting is removed
Engineer scene, some more detailed engineer death scenes are removed.
Rosenthal encountering adult neo; the first Neo close up is there, but the sequent jaw-opening and neck biting is removed.
Rosenthal's head floating is removed
Shaw is body scene is mostly removed, they kept about a second of face close up.
David kissing Walter is removed
The chest bursting scene is partially removed, but the Xeno baby close-up is kept. However the hand waving mimic part is removed.
Close up on the acid blood effect of the face hugger is removed
The first adult Xeno encounter. Three seconds of Xeno close up is removed.
About 3-4 seconds of Adult Xeno smashing its head against the window close up is removed.
Shower scene, most Xeno attack scene is removed.
Some Xeno close up in the last confrontation is removed.
You guys need to look at the bright side to this. It's now effectively a G or PG movie, so little kiddies and teenagers can also go and watch it. That means it will do crazy box office numbers in China. Billions of $$$'s guaranteed. Riddles will now be able to do his six, big budget sequels/prequels/sidequels.
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 07, 2017, 06:17:41 PM
Yeah, the alien has a penis for a head. The neo's head is more pointy...
...but it DOES have a butthole for a mouth.
Whatever, China. Whatever.
LMFAO :D :D
This isn't The Martian, the only half decent ridley scott film in decades. Prometheus and Covenant are lifeless unoriginal uninspired group filmmaking , with audiences and the filmmakers themselves totally clueless what the films intend(ed) to be. The sorry box office results hint of this. Cutting or adding footage won't save this ridley scott garbage which he keeps churning out .
Quote from: ridleyhater on Jun 08, 2017, 04:43:34 PM
This isn't The Martian, the only half decent ridley scott film in decades. Prometheus and Covenant are lifeless unoriginal uninspired group filmmaking , with audiences and the filmmakers themselves totally clueless what the films intend(ed) to be. The sorry box office results hint of this. Cutting or adding footage won't save this ridley scott garbage which he keeps churning out .
Show some respect to Sir Ridley Scott, man!
And not always box office is an indicator of films' quality. Come on, if that were the case, Transformers films would've been lauded as masterpieces by scholars.
The Bejinger report that the audience found that the cuts result in Alien: Covenant being "abrupt" and as "ruin[ing] the rhythm of the film." That sounds like the version I saw.They should have cut 122 minutes out of it.
They should remove every Alien from it, I am really curious to see how a Alien movie without an Alien would look like. Instead have Alien's POV shots done in manner of Evil Dead.
@salt the fries:
Maybe YOU should show some respect to what cinema is. Ridley scott clearly doesn't anymore. ( even this site had a story that claimed covenant was rushed to made into a sequel when prometheus was already so messed up that they should have given more thought about the direction of the sequel. but nooooo... ridley wanted to be a careless irresponsible filmmaker like today's self indulgent brainless directors, trumping his once good rep.) and who said box office is the ultimate judge??... but box office does show films like covenant is not on the same level as his glorious ALIEN etc as audiences know the sequel is as screwy as the "all over the place" prometheus. Even ridley admitted he made mistakes. these filmmakers are given hundreds of millions of bucks to make at least a movie with some clarity and precision in basic storytelling, and you would agree and expect them ( esp seasoned "masters" like ridley) to be careful with developing covenant after the "mistakes prone" prometheus! did hitchcock work like this movie after movie? He learned to be very careful after each mistake and then made a subsequent better film, with far less time and money. and you want me to respect irresponsible development/ filmmaking exemplified by covenant just because it's from ridley (whom we rightly expected a lot)??? You serious???? i have given him enough fu**king respect, over decades of really really shitty films ( recent being the counselor, exodus, anyone?, his last good movie was Thelma & Louise and/ or Black Rain?., not even the overrated half decent martian that took more time in development). Maybe RIDLEY SHOULD STOP BEING THE CARELESS RIDLEY AND START RESPECTING THE/HIS AUDIENCE! nuff said.
My reply post to "salt the fries" was somehow posted inside xanadu's post. If that's the case, Dont know how that happened (apologies to xanadu.)
The Xenomorph 'point-of-view' shots were pretty awful too - their 'videogame' vibe kinda took me out of the movie when they appeared, For such a 'perfect organism', it sure had some dodgy-looking vision! If the Chinese are lucky, those shots will be cut too.
Here in HongKong there's no cut...but the film was still terribly boring and i hated it...not as bad as resurrection...but still bad
Quote from: Preddysteadygo on Jun 08, 2017, 11:05:16 PM
Here in HongKong there's no cut...but the film was still terribly boring and i hated it...not as bad as resurrection...but still bad
Glad to hear. I actually thought Prometheus was the boring one. I thought Alien Covenant improved upon the terrible pacing and horrible dialogue of Prometheus and really delivered. I liked Alien Covenant a hell of a lot more!
QuoteShow some respect to Sir Ridley Scott, man!
Respect from a guy imaginatively named ridleyhater? :D
All this hate for Ridley Scott now.. I can understand the hate for George Lucas because of the SW Special Editions and refusing to release the original versions, but I cannot understand the hate for Scott. Especially the low brow remarks about his age. The guy is passionate about movies, and he's a great director.
Hey SM, it's not my handle name that is the problem, is it? it's the film and the shitty job the filmmakers did. i got as much right to disrespect ridley etc as much as you got the right to respect him/the film. so stop with the personal innuendos, as i have equal right to express my view, as this is public forum after all, and i am sure with your imaginative handle name you can respect the fact that there are people, maybe even more so now ( including reviewers here and abroad) who are more confused and turned off by covenant ( which ridley says the NEXT sequel will be " clearer"). if you like that kind of sloppy filmmaking that tarnish the Alien lore, like AVP series , then that says a lot about YOU but that's your right. buy please dont resort to excuses or personal innuendos to obstruct my equal right to disdain this garbage prometheus series that gets worse and more muddled ( not better). I got MORE respect for the ALIEN lore than you, i am sure. Nuff said.
Ghostbusters Redux wasn't allowed in China due to the censors not allowing demonic imagery or something similiar. Probably why a lot of the scenes were cut, and the extraterrestrial/alien theme may have given a slight pass? The Neomorphs looked human enough maybe? I have no clue, but it's probably relative to the Ghostbusters issue.
Hell, the Stones can't even play Brown Sugar in China because it's about interacial sex.
And interesting about them cutting the David/chestburster mimic part of the scene! If China censors Christian imagery, it may fit with the whole Jesus Engineer/decaon mural theory. ;)
Quote from: Deaconschristpose on Jun 09, 2017, 05:55:24 AM
Ghostbusters Redux wasn't allowed in China due to the censors not allowing demonic imagery or something similiar. Probably why a lot of the scenes were cut, and the extraterrestrial/alien theme may have given a slight pass? The Neomorphs looked human enough maybe? I have no clue, but it's probably relative to the Ghostbusters issue.
Hell, the Stones can't even play Brown Sugar in China because it's about interacial sex.
And interesting about them cutting the David/chestburster mimic part of the scene! If China censors Christian imagery, it may fit with the whole Jesus Engineer/decaon mural theory. ;)
As far as I know, Chinese censors don't really cut the film themselves. The FOX cuts the film and delivers the new version to the censorship. Censors decides whether it is passable or not.
I bet they'll sell a lot of Blu-Ray copies because it will have the deleted scenes.
@Scorpio He is shitting on his own franchise thats why peopel are mad.Covenant was shit.And he is doing with those prequels what Lucas did with SW.
i thought covenant was f**king fantastic not a 10/10 or perfect, but it had some breathtaking visuals, action and plenty gore. .and the acting was top notch, i would not cut one second. .i would rather add those 20 minutes that was cut. .and i will never get the hatred for the xeno or the final 20 minutes. . .so it felt a bit rushed. .?. .so lets remove it completely. .?. .whaaaaat?. .lol. .that will fortunately never happen. .and the hatred that is now flung at covenant is getting toxic. .i wish the people that enjoyed the movie like i did would be more vocal. .
. ,and if the movie never get a sequel cause of bad B0 it would be a tragedy. .but at least we got covenant and thats something. .a movie that for me was up there with the first 2.
Quote from: juxtapose on Jun 09, 2017, 08:12:57 AM
i thought covenant was f**king fantastic not a 10/10 or perfect, but it had some breathtaking visuals, action and plenty gore. .and the acting was top notch, i would not cut one second. .i would rather add those 20 minutes that was cut. .and i will never get the hatred for the xeno or the final 20 minutes. . .so it felt a bit rushed. .?. .so lets remove it completely. .?. .whaaaaat?. .lol. .that will fortunately never happen. .and the hatred that is now flung at covenant is getting toxic. .i wish the people that enjoyed the movie like i did would be more vocal. .
. ,and if the movie never get a sequel cause of bad B0 it would be a tragedy. .but at least we got covenant and thats something. .a movie that for me was up there with the first 2.
I loved it too. The criticisms are extremely varied from the fanbase. Some hated that it destroyed the mythos from Prometheus. Others are pissed that David is the creator of the xeno. Others are mad about pacing. And some people are even upset about cgi monsters. The movie certainly isn't perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot.
Quote from: juxtapose on Jun 09, 2017, 08:12:57 AM
i thought covenant was f**king fantastic not a 10/10 or perfect, but it had some breathtaking visuals, action and plenty gore. .and the acting was top notch, i would not cut one second. .i would rather add those 20 minutes that was cut. .and i will never get the hatred for the xeno or the final 20 minutes. . .so it felt a bit rushed. .?. .so lets remove it completely. .?. .whaaaaat?. .lol. .that will fortunately never happen. .and the hatred that is now flung at covenant is getting toxic. .i wish the people that enjoyed the movie like i did would be more vocal. .
. ,and if the movie never get a sequel cause of bad B0 it would be a tragedy. .but at least we got covenant and thats something. .a movie that for me was up there with the first 2.
You can only say why you like Covenant so many ways and have people hit back with your wrong and its shit before you just give up.
To be fair most forum members on here who didn't like the film articulate this in an adult, reasonable way whilst still respecting the views of those who do like the film.
Unfortunately you will always get those who just make base, sweeping statements and believe everyone who disagrees are wrong but I think they are a minority and just try to ignore them as difficult as that may be.
I loved the film just as you did and no one can change my view no matter what they say.
. .i guess if u don't like a movie u simply don't like it. .and if u really enjoyed something then thats not gonna change either. .at least thats the way i am. .i did not like intersteller much. .i don't care if the critics thought it was brilliant made 20 billion at the box office, but if someone really loved it. .i would not try and spoil it for them either or change their mind and get them on my side. .i guess if i also loved it i might try and get others that did'nt like it that mich to give it another shot. .i would never tell people that insteller was crap and the directer is a hack just because it did not fall into my particular taste. .going to the extend of joining a forum to do that . .here is is looking at you ridley hater.. . So f**k you to!
Quote from: juxtapose on Jun 09, 2017, 09:30:15 AM
. .i guess if u don't like a movie u simply don't like it. .and if u really enjoyed something then thats not gonna change either. .at least thats the way i am. .i did not like intersteller much. .i don't care if the critics thought it was brilliant made 20 billion at the box office, but if someone really loved it. .i would not try and spoil it for them either or change their mind and get them on my side. .i guess if i also loved it i might try and get others that did'nt like it that mich to give it another shot. .i would never tell people that insteller was crap and the directer is a hack just because it did not fall into my particular taste. .going to the extend of joining a forum to do that . .here is is looking at you ridley hater.. . So f**k you to!
lol, yeah well his Tag tells you everything you need to know, he just wants to provoke a reaction. That's why I ignored his posts.
Intersteller didn't float my boat either and I usually love Nolan's movies.
No worries. They will see more aliens while assembling toys and figures.
And deleted. ridleyhater, 100% differing opinions are great. However, that kind of immature behavior and language is not. See ya.
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Alas, poor ridleyhater has left this veil of tears.
well good riddance. .!
So we don't get to see the stupid little CGI creature that comes out of the guy's back bounce
around while the lady so obviously kicks the air that they superimposed the cartoon on...
Or listen to it's awful predator type noises. God, the more I think about it the more I get angry at this movie.
I really wanted to love it so bad and I really love so much of it but they fuсked up the most IMPORATANT
PARTS, which are the fuсking ALIENS!!!
yea, well it wont make a difference cause they already butchered our version first by removing 20 minutes of scenes. there better be a restored directors cut when the bluray is released. what an outrage, could have been a really good film. :-[
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2017, 11:40:01 AM
And deleted. ridleyhater, 100% differing opinions are great. However, that kind of immature behavior and language is not. See ya.
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Alas, poor ridleyhater has left this veil of tears.
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How can someone compare the 79's Alien with the latest Alien Covenant? Oh, Ridley Scott is not good enough at this time? His first Alien was simply the first one, audience never seen something like that until Scott made it, the first one was original and miracle in many ways. . everything after that was just another continuation, or expansion. That doesnt mean that other Alien movies was bad or worst, I just pointing out the fact, that with every next movie the whole surprise element slowly losing its potential, its harder and harder to made another Alien movie better than before, esspecialy after the first Alien and second Aliens. Personally, I love mostly the first one and the second one, but on the other hand. . I found every Alien movie interesting for multiple different reasons. So, maybe I love the first two, but I also like the rusty, dark atmosphere in Alien 3, I like the characters there and the whole change of overall movie theme. Alien Ressurection is on the other hand a little bit depraved, deviant. . I found that as both unique and original. Prometheus is my third favourite movie in this franchise, it is somehow different. . and I appreciate it a lot. It expand the whole Space Jockey theory in very unexpected way, once again I really appreciate it. What about Alien Covenant? Well, I like it. . not as much as the first two movies, but I still like it. . yes, I totally dont like some of the few things in Covenant, and believe me. . there are a lot of the stuff I found. . weird. But when I think about the Alien Covenant as a whole, I have only one, major, serious problem with this movie. . and that is the Lope death. He has the facehugger in his face for about 12 seconds, I dont understand how he can impregnate Lope so quickly, yes David could change the things so the Alien is now growing faster, and its born immediately without chesburster form. I can understand everything, but I dont buy how they manage to execute it. It feels so rushed, I have a really bad, super bad feelings about this. . this fact just killing me. It would be much better if Lope would be infected with the spores. . its gonna be a bigger surprise, and it would be atleast more logical. The Neomorph in the end would be much better. So, I like Covenant, but I have also mixed feelings about it, not to mention that the film itself could be even longer. Ridley needs to made another movie no matter what, Covenant have open end. . everything is pointless if we dont get another continuation. Sorry for my English, Im from Czech Republic, its not my language. Thanks for reading this.
Quote from: Adorianu on Jun 09, 2017, 07:46:26 AM
@Scorpio He is shitting on his own franchise thats why peopel are mad.Covenant was shit.And he is doing with those prequels what Lucas did with SW.
But Lucas actually changed the original movies to fit with his prequels, adding digital characters and what not (but thankfully fans have restored the originals and are available to download, if illegally). The original Alien films are still intact. You have to appreciate that this is a new story and not a continuation of the old films. But if you don't like it, I feel sad for you, because there is so much to like.
Quote from: Petr Švancara on Jun 09, 2017, 06:44:22 PM
, I dont understand how he can impregnate Lope so quickly
Two words: Premature ejaculation. Them salmon can swim upstream and dance on the rocks.
lol it was a 'quickie'. But no, there are premature births for human fetuses so why not aliens?
I thought so too. Had a absolute blast seeing the movie. I'm a big Covenant fan and hope we get a continuation of the story.
They replaced them with Jason Voorhees
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/chinese-censors-cut-michael-fassbenders-gay-kiss-alien-covenant-1014488
I think we've already noted this was cut but -
Quote"For the other missing parts, you don't notice or know when it happens, but you can really feel something is missing where the gay kiss is supposed to be," says Yu (who asked only to be identified by her last name), a 26-year-old assistant at an advertising agency in Shanghai who saw the movie Saturday night with friends. Yu said she had read about the missing kiss in local media reports and was waiting to see if she could guess where it was supposed to be.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 19, 2017, 07:43:21 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/chinese-censors-cut-michael-fassbenders-gay-kiss-alien-covenant-1014488
I think we've already noted this was cut but -
Quote"For the other missing parts, you don't notice or know when it happens, but you can really feel something is missing where the gay kiss is supposed to be," says Yu (who asked only to be identified by her last name), a 26-year-old assistant at an advertising agency in Shanghai who saw the movie Saturday night with friends. Yu said she had read about the missing kiss in local media reports and was waiting to see if she could guess where it was supposed to be.
:-\ China just continues to butcher this film.
I'm a Chinese I wish that i can see the whole film in the cinema before i die
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 19, 2017, 07:43:21 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/chinese-censors-cut-michael-fassbenders-gay-kiss-alien-covenant-1014488
I think we've already noted this was cut but -
Quote"For the other missing parts, you don't notice or know when it happens, but you can really feel something is missing where the gay kiss is supposed to be," says Yu (who asked only to be identified by her last name), a 26-year-old assistant at an advertising agency in Shanghai who saw the movie Saturday night with friends. Yu said she had read about the missing kiss in local media reports and was waiting to see if she could guess where it was supposed to be.
Is there a gay kiss in Covenant? Must have missed that.
Quote from: Gash on Jun 20, 2017, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 19, 2017, 07:43:21 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/chinese-censors-cut-michael-fassbenders-gay-kiss-alien-covenant-1014488
I think we've already noted this was cut but -
Quote"For the other missing parts, you don't notice or know when it happens, but you can really feel something is missing where the gay kiss is supposed to be," says Yu (who asked only to be identified by her last name), a 26-year-old assistant at an advertising agency in Shanghai who saw the movie Saturday night with friends. Yu said she had read about the missing kiss in local media reports and was waiting to see if she could guess where it was supposed to be.
Is there a gay kiss in Covenant? Must have missed that.
An android kissing its brother is obviously LGBT-normalizing Western imperialism.
Quote from: Gash on Jun 20, 2017, 03:14:21 PM
Is there a gay kiss in Covenant? Must have missed that.
It was Fassbender-on-Fassbender action.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F9a%2F9a944615dd985630aa8fb3e573cfa19ee3182615ceadcd2218e87194a498e73b.jpg&hash=3d35d6379002857522042b450f024eed809708f8)
Ironic if they cut the kiss, but keep the flute scene considering the flute scene is 10x more intimate.
Do they also cut Roy Batty kissing Tyrell in Blade Runner?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2017, 11:40:01 AM
And deleted. ridleyhater, 100% differing opinions are great. However, that kind of immature behavior and language is not. See ya.
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Alas, poor ridleyhater has left this veil of tears.
LOL "has left this veil of tears"= read in David's voice.
Hate to be that guy but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be VALE of tears.
You are correct, sir.
I think I found Chinese version. Haven't seen whole, just skipped to Alien scenes and it's been butchered. Gonna see all later on.
*snip. We don't allow the sharing of pirated movies or etc here. Please don't share again. Hicks.
Just skipped to the final fight. It looks horrible after censorship. Jesus.
Just watched the Medbay sequence. f**k that was horrible. My thoughts go out to Chinese fans.
Guys, it's not THAT bad, actually... I just watched the medbay scene and all of the scenes with the xenomorphs. It cuts around violence and spares the audience some bad CG shots, only dwelling on them for very brief seconds. The movie still makes sense and I can honestly see some people preferring this cut.
I was worried that much of the movie wouldn't make any damn sense, but they retained just enough to keep the movie coherent.
It sucks that the Chinese have to deal with censorship and I'm very thankful to live in a county that lets me put my eyes on pretty much whatever I want, but I think reports of "cutting the alien out" were exaggerated and probably hurt the box office in China unnecessarily.
Our perception is different because we have seen original cut so we can compare both. Most of Chinese viewers cannot. Thematically it's still the same movie but action sequences are butchered big time. Feel sorry for Chinese moviegoers.
As I said, I do feel for them having to put up with censorship in all of the films that are released in their country. But as far as cuts for violence go, this edit seems pretty standard.
At least you get to see some blood burst from Oram before the alien comes out. You get the idea of what's happening. And you see enough of the alien to get that it's present in each scene.
I just got the impression from the reports that the alien was strictly removed for no reason and the whole film wouldn't make sense, that the edits went way beyond cutting for violence, and I don't think that's the really case here. The editing and pacing aren't quite as masterful in this edit, but I think it's still a watchable film that Chinese audiences shouldn't be deterred from seeing in the theater.
Then if they enjoy it enough to want to see it at home, they should buy a foreign blu-ray or bootleg a foreign cut and be treated to a little extra footage.
I'd really like to know what dialogue changes were made for the Chinese version. Is it subtitled, or dubbed?
Quote from: markweatherill on Jun 29, 2017, 07:28:16 AM
I'd really like to know what dialogue changes were made for the Chinese version. Is it subtitled, or dubbed?
Subtitles.
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 28, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
It cuts around violence and spares the audience some bad CG shots, only dwelling on them for very brief seconds.
I'm still not convinced there are any bad CGI shots in the film, nothing on the level of Maz Kanata from The Force Awakens anyway.
Quote from: Gash on Jul 05, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 28, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
It cuts around violence and spares the audience some bad CG shots, only dwelling on them for very brief seconds.
I'm still not convinced there are any bad CGI shots in the film, nothing on the level of Maz Kanata from The Force Awakens anyway.
Several shots of the Xeno during the third act are pretty bad, most notably the one where the xenos dorsal tubes clip through the floor as it goes into a vent.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 05, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: Gash on Jul 05, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 28, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
It cuts around violence and spares the audience some bad CG shots, only dwelling on them for very brief seconds.
I'm still not convinced there are any bad CGI shots in the film, nothing on the level of Maz Kanata from The Force Awakens anyway.
Several shots of the Xeno during the third act are pretty bad, most notably the one where the xenos dorsal tubes clip through the floor as it goes into a vent.
When I saw it, the tubes folded back as the alien went down. Is there still an issue of clipping?
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 05, 2017, 07:25:18 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 05, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: Gash on Jul 05, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 28, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
It cuts around violence and spares the audience some bad CG shots, only dwelling on them for very brief seconds.
I'm still not convinced there are any bad CGI shots in the film, nothing on the level of Maz Kanata from The Force Awakens anyway.
Several shots of the Xeno during the third act are pretty bad, most notably the one where the xenos dorsal tubes clip through the floor as it goes into a vent.
When I saw it, the tubes folded back as the alien went down. Is there still an issue of clipping?
Yes there is. They should've just cut the scene short by a couple of seconds. There also the shot where it's moving through the corridor toward a door and Walter closes the door and it turns around. The CGI looks pretty sloppy there too, but the vent clipping is by far the worst. It looks good during the terraforming bay sequence though.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 05, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: Gash on Jul 05, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 28, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
It cuts around violence and spares the audience some bad CG shots, only dwelling on them for very brief seconds.
I'm still not convinced there are any bad CGI shots in the film, nothing on the level of Maz Kanata from The Force Awakens anyway.
Several shots of the Xeno during the third act are pretty bad, most notably the one where the xenos dorsal tubes clip through the floor as it goes into a vent.
That's the one that sticks in my head. Also Alien vision looks super low budget. Some slight movement issues on the rescue ship.
The rest is mostly fine, I'd have loved some suit work though, the movie really needed it for some eye candy. An Alien movie without a prop seems empty.
The dorsal tubes fold in, the only thing that vanishes quickly is a shadow from the legs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvTZr50QeG8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvTZr50QeG8)
Quote from: Gash on Jul 06, 2017, 03:37:14 PM
The dorsal tubes fold in, the only thing that vanishes quickly is a shadow from the legs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvTZr50QeG8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvTZr50QeG8)
I see the tubes pass through the floor. I watched it several times to be sure. It looks worse and worse the more I look at it. Does Prometheus have any mistakes like that? Or any other major movie of recent years?
Looks like they're folding down to me.
Looks like the dorsal tubes disappear as it enters the opening?
Looks like the fold down the back as it squeezes through the hole, though it's hard to tell. Have to wait for the Blu-ray for a clearer view.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jul 07, 2017, 01:17:57 AM
Quote from: Gash on Jul 06, 2017, 03:37:14 PM
The dorsal tubes fold in, the only thing that vanishes quickly is a shadow from the legs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvTZr50QeG8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvTZr50QeG8)
I see the tubes pass through the floor. I watched it several times to be sure. It looks worse and worse the more I look at it. Does Prometheus have any mistakes like that? Or any other major movie of recent years?
Pretty sure this isn't from the final cut, because when I saw it in the theater the tubes folded down as the alien passed through. I was watching for it after reading about it here :D
Aside from the tube thing, the shot just doesn't look very good. To me anyway.
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2017, 01:25:56 AM
Looks like they're folding down to me.
Because they're folding. It's just very quick sequence and it's hard to tell.
I first saw the film in an IMAX and the tubes bothered me in this shot. I remember them folding, but kind of blobbing against the opening like they were made of Flubber. ('MEMBER FLUBBER???)
Then I saw it again on a smaller screen and it just looked like they were folding against the edge. All of the CG looked much better on the smaller screen, so I'm sure the blu-ray on my 46" TV will improve it further...
They are DEFINITELY clipping/disappearing, which is weird because the CGI during the terraforming bay sequence is top notch.
CGI shots are scrutinized and worked-upon until budget or time runs out. It's not a video game engine running real time renders and therefore there's zero chance of clipping or any other such glaring mistake.
I've seen clipping before in some older films/documentaries, but that was when CGI was still relatively young.
I doubt the dorsal tubes are actually clipping through the ground here, they just fold back real quickly.
Watched it several more times and still see the tubes pass through the floor. If someone wants to post screen grabs, that would settle it. We'll know next month when home video versions arrive. I hope it was fixed, because I can't unsee it, now.
Yeah, the tubes just disappear in the floor. Not a big deal though. It's a quick moment and doesn't irk me like it once did.
To me it looked like they just folded back and i waited and looked for it because of all the complaining over it here.
That, or the dorsal tubes were always imagined to be relatively firm, until Ridley and co. decided that they'd flop and bend like Jell-O.
And that'd be why it looks so poorly executed: an optical illusion produced from an unnecessary change.
Quote from: BR1XER on Jul 08, 2017, 08:30:58 PM
That, or the dorsal tubes were always imagined to be relatively firm, until Ridley and co. decided that they'd flop and bend like Jell-O.
And that'd be why it looks so poorly executed: an optical illusion produced from an unnecessary change.
The only optical illusion here is observational bias due to not wanting to find flaws in something you like, if you ask me. They CLEARLY clip/fade out, bros.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 08, 2017, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: BR1XER on Jul 08, 2017, 08:30:58 PM
That, or the dorsal tubes were always imagined to be relatively firm, until Ridley and co. decided that they'd flop and bend like Jell-O.
And that'd be why it looks so poorly executed: an optical illusion produced from an unnecessary change.
The only optical illusion here is observational bias due to not wanting to find flaws in something you like, if you ask me. They CLEARLY clip/fade out, bros.
...or how about the fact that most all of these pre-release trailers and teasers have unfinished CGI in them.
They clip in that BBC clip, but I would bet my life that they don't clip in the actual film.
I distinctly remember because the physics bothered me the first time I went to the movie so I watched it closely the second time.
I admit that the CG in the film was unconvincing, so I'm not just being biased. They do bend in that shot.
Quote from: BR1XER on Jul 08, 2017, 08:30:58 PM
That, or the dorsal tubes were always imagined to be relatively firm, until Ridley and co. decided that they'd flop and bend like Jell-O.
And that'd be why it looks so poorly executed: an optical illusion produced from an unnecessary change.
This would be the Ridley and co. that made the scene with an alien adducting Newt with it's back tubes flopping about in 1986 would it?