Theology

Started by Sabby, Sep 01, 2013, 02:51:02 AM

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RazorSlash

RazorSlash

#15
I was raised Catholic, my parents are still a little annoyed that I'm agnostic. My father is flat out in denial  :-\

"I don't know what you read on the internet, but you're Catholic. You don't have a say in that."
-Actual quote from my father when I told him I was agnostic

TheLoneSpoon

TheLoneSpoon

#16
Quote from: RazorSlash on Sep 01, 2013, 05:27:17 AM
I was raised Catholic, my parents are still a little annoyed that I'm agnostic. My father is flat out in denial  :-\

"I don't know what you read on the internet, but you're Catholic. You don't have a say in that."
-Actual quote from my father when I told him I was agnostic

you can never leave

Sabby

Sabby

#17
Quote from: RazorSlash on Sep 01, 2013, 05:25:25 AM
Quote from: Sabby on Sep 01, 2013, 05:22:29 AM
Okay, if a Youtube channel based on your beliefs is asinine,
I said if you make an entire channel based on your beliefs in general, is being asinine.

I'm afraid I don't understand the difference your trying to make :/ Could you be a little more clear?

JokersWarPig

JokersWarPig

#18
Quote from: RazorSlash on Sep 01, 2013, 05:27:17 AM
I was raised Catholic, my parents are still a little annoyed that I'm agnostic. My father is flat out in denial  :-\

"I don't know what you read on the internet, but you're Catholic. You don't have a say in that."
-Actual quote from my father when I told him I was agnostic

I told my dad I felt like past lives where possible once. The most he said to me was "Since we're Catholic we're not supposed to believe in that"
I'm lucky and I've had pretty relaxed parents.

RazorSlash

RazorSlash

#19
Quote from: Sabby on Sep 01, 2013, 05:30:16 AM
Quote from: RazorSlash on Sep 01, 2013, 05:25:25 AM
Quote from: Sabby on Sep 01, 2013, 05:22:29 AM
Okay, if a Youtube channel based on your beliefs is asinine,
I said if you make an entire channel based on your beliefs in general, is being asinine. Someone could make an entire "LOL I'M AGNOSTIC ISN'T THAT GREAT" channel and I'd still find them asinine. We separate people by race and religion far too much.

I'm afraid I don't understand the difference your trying to make :/ Could you be a little more clear?
You shouldn't single yourself out because of your beliefs. Be your own man. Don't try and be a "messenger", if you will, of your beliefs. Just accept that other people believe different and let it be.

If you start a YouTube channel that is focused on the fact that you believe a certain thing, you're being asinine. Kinda like "I believe this and all my subscribers should too, because I'm right!".

Sabby

Sabby

#20
And you still haven't answered why this is acceptable behaviour in the case of proselytizing, and not acceptable behaviour in the case of opposing said proselytizing.

ShadowPred

ShadowPred

#21
Razor is in no way even arguing anything of that sort. He's saying that ANY channel based on a personal belief system is just dumb. One example would be a channel based on the belief that dinosaurs still walk among us, and forcing that idea on others. Razor is saying that channels like this are asinine. He's saying that he doesn't care about things like that. I doubt that this strictly applies just to youtube channels, but to anything else you would find elsewhere, like a group of people prancing around and preaching their stuff to you, and you not giving the slightest of f**ks about it.

TheLoneSpoon

TheLoneSpoon

#22
Quote from: Sabby on Sep 01, 2013, 05:35:24 AM
And you still haven't answered why this is acceptable behaviour in the case of proselytizing, and not acceptable behaviour in the case of opposing said proselytizing.

He thinks any form of 'preaching', theistic preaching/non-theistic preaching, is asinine.

RazorSlash

RazorSlash

#23
Quote from: Sabby on Sep 01, 2013, 05:35:24 AM
And you still haven't answered why this is acceptable behaviour in the case of proselytizing, and not acceptable behaviour in the case of opposing said proselytizing.
I never said anything about that. I said I didn't like YouTubers who use base a channel around their belief and use it as a "selling point", if you will. I didn't say anything about converting or anything similar to that. I think we're having two separate conversations.

Sabby

Sabby

#24
Ah, then I misunderstood and I apologize :)

To clarify, these channels aren't popularized because "Hey, that guys an Atheist, like me, I should listen to him". They're not VLOGs on the persons life, they're dedicated to the topic of Religion and Science and modern events, not the person who owns the channel.

RazorSlash

RazorSlash

#25
S'alright.

Crazy Rich

Crazy Rich

#26
Well, I'm for sure not atheist... everything else is still a matter of small debate within myself, Protestant vs Spiritual.

PVTDukeMorrison

PVTDukeMorrison

#27
I don't really know what I believe yet, most of the time I don't believe in a higher power but sometimes things come up and it make me question my beliefs

Sabby

Sabby

#28
We're pattern seeking creatures. It's in our nature to turn the unknown into knowledge wherever we can. Just sometimes we settle for feeling like we know something, instead of admitting that there's a question we can't answer right now.

TheLoneSpoon

TheLoneSpoon

#29
I really like Douglas Adams explanation on why the idea of a God even came about, I mean it's pretty obvious. But he explains it pretty well.

Spoiler
"Where does the idea of God come from? Well, I think we have a very skewed point of view on an awful lot of things, but let's try and see where our point of view comes from. Imagine early man. Early man is, like everything else, an evolved creature and he finds himself in a world that he's begun to take a little charge of; he's begun to be a tool-maker, a changer of his environment with the tools that he's made and he makes tools, when he does, in order to make changes in his environment. To give an example of the way man operates compared to other animals, consider speciation, which, as we know, tends to occur when a small group of animals gets separated from the rest of the herd by some geological upheaval, population pressure, food shortage or whatever and finds itself in a new environment with maybe something different going on. Take a very simple example; maybe a bunch of animals suddenly finds itself in a place where the weather is rather colder. We know that in a few generations those genes which favour a thicker coat will have come to the fore and we'll come and we'll find that the animals have now got thicker coats. Early man, who's a tool maker, doesn't have to do this: he can inhabit an extraordinarily wide range of habitats on earth, from tundra to the Gobi Desert - he even manages to live in New York for heaven's sake - and the reason is that when he arrives in a new environment he doesn't have to wait for several generations; if he arrives in a colder environment and sees an animal that has those genes which favour a thicker coat, he says "I'll have it off him". Tools have enabled us to think intentionally, to make things and to do things to create a world that fits us better. Now imagine an early man surveying his surroundings at the end of a happy day's tool making. He looks around and he sees a world which pleases him mightily: behind him are mountains with caves in - mountains are great because you can go and hide in the caves and you are out of the rain and the bears can't get you; in front of him there's the forest - it's got nuts and berries and delicious food; there's a stream going by, which is full of water - water's delicious to drink, you can float your boats in it and do all sorts of stuff with it; here's cousin Ug and he's caught a mammoth - mammoth's are great, you can eat them, you can wear their coats, you can use their bones to create weapons to catch other mammoths. I mean this is a great world, it's fantastic. But our early man has a moment to reflect and he thinks to himself, 'well, this is an interesting world that I find myself in' and then he asks himself a very treacherous question, a question which is totally meaningless and fallacious, but only comes about because of the nature of the sort of person he is, the sort of person he has evolved into and the sort of person who has thrived because he thinks this particular way. Man the maker looks at his world and says 'So who made this then?' Who made this? - you can see why it's a treacherous question. Early man thinks, 'Well, because there's only one sort of being I know about who makes things, whoever made all this must therefore be a much bigger, much more powerful and necessarily invisible, one of me and because I tend to be the strong one who does all the stuff, he's probably male'. And so we have the idea of a god. Then, because when we make things we do it with the intention of doing something with them, early man asks himself , 'If he made it, what did he make it for?' Now the real trap springs, because early man is thinking, 'This world fits me very well. Here are all these things that support me and feed me and look after me; yes, this world fits me nicely' and he reaches the inescapable conclusion that whoever made it, made it for him."
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