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That sounds amazing to me!
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Genetically modified Predator 2.0... 10 FEET TALL. We did ask for big 😮😮😮
Sounds pretty good
Quote from: UKpredfan on Feb 10, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
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Sounds cool of true, Not quite sure about The Predator 2.0 stuff, but hey, at least they try and expand it. The Story sounds really cool, i like that we will get different Settings.
Hopefully the the genetic modified pred 2.0 isn't the result of humans experimenting on the captured pred.
Getting Super Predator vibes again here. Can't we just have one badass normal Predator again?
QuoteTHE PREDATOR 2.0 A ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator who will crash the McKenna family reunion in suburbia.
Please let this be a rumor.. PLEASE! >:(
Getting a lot of Concrete Jungle and Bad Blood vibes. A good thing!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 10, 2017, 09:38:09 PM
QuoteTHE PREDATOR 2.0 A ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator who will crash the McKenna family reunion in suburbia.
Please let this be a rumor.. PLEASE! >:(
If true it almost guarantees that the Predator will be part CGI
I'm doing my best to think happy thoughts about this movie. No, really, I'm... trying.
Gandalf wasn't cgi, hope new Predator isn't either
Can't wait to see this on the IMAX
10 foot tall..
The Great Khali of Predators? :laugh:
THIS FILM BETTER BE PREDATOR WRESTLEMANIA!!1 :laugh: 8)
I'm not sure if this is all true. The part talking about the story taking place in suburbia has been debunked. I smell some BS mixed with some truth in this.
If people think a 10 foot tall predator is a wonderful idea, they will get the movie they deserve... ::)
Predators can be any size really. Didn't Predators establish that some are bigger and small? I'll have to see it first before I make a decision.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 10:08:28 PM
Predators can be any size really. Didn't Predators establish that some are bigger and small? I'll have to see it first before I make a decision.
Enjoy it.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 10, 2017, 10:11:06 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 10:08:28 PM
Predators can be any size really. Didn't Predators establish that some are bigger and small? I'll have to see it first before I make a decision.
Enjoy it.
You know you'll see it. :)
Crashed Predator ship. Predator sent to Earth on a mission. Kids. Suburbia. AvPR did it first.
Sounds like The Predator could be a better executed AvPR.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 10:08:28 PM
Predators can be any size really. Didn't Predators establish that some are bigger and small?
The thing is with PREDATORS is that they hyped the Super Predators, and the movie didn't really sell them too good. Simply put, they didn't go over as well as Rodriguez and company expected them. Sure, they have their fans but a lot of fans felt like they didn't measure to that hype.
I don't think we need a bigger, badder Predator, which was attempted and... fell seemingly flat-- but what we need is a much more, skilled, efficient, smarter, better equiped Hunter. Not... well... what Quint Lane was supposed to be in Underworld Awakening. Bigger doesn't always mean better.
Hopefully, this is just a rumor.
Jesus Christ why do they always need to introduce a 'bigger badder' '2.0' whatever bullshit...
hoping to god these rumours ain't anything but rumours
That sounds awful.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Feb 10, 2017, 11:12:13 PM
Jesus Christ why do they always need to introduce a 'bigger badder' '2.0' whatever bullshit...
Finally, someone who sees what I see.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 10, 2017, 11:14:41 PM
That sounds awful.
Yes, it does.
Personally, I didn't like the Super Predators nor did I like Predators very much. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt though. I think that's fair.
What I'd be more worried about is the story. The more I read it the less enthused I am.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Personally, I didn't like the Super Predators nor did I like Predators very much. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt. I think that's fair.
Hell, I hate the Super Predators, and personally I think they should have never come to light. Everyone here knows I hate them. But that aside, I really am hoping that this is just a rumor, and something which can be disregarded. I don't know what Black and Dekker have, but I hoping that it isn't this. I really want to be happy with this movie, and with the last one nearly pushing me away... Yeah. I got hope riding on this one.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
What I'd be more worried about is the story. The more I read it the less enthused I am.
Let's hope it's a rumor.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Feb 10, 2017, 11:12:13 PM
Jesus Christ why do they always need to introduce a 'bigger badder' '2.0' whatever bullshit...
hoping to god these rumours ain't anything but rumours
Language Omega, Language!!! :laugh:
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 10, 2017, 11:22:38 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Personally, I didn't like the Super Predators nor did I like Predators very much. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt. I think that's fair.
Hell, I hate the Super Predators, and personally I think they should have never come to light. Everyone here knows I hate them. But that aside, I really am hoping that this is just a rumor, and something which can be disregarded. I don't know what Black and Dekker have, but I hoping that it isn't this. I really want to be happy with this movie, and with the last one nearly pushing me away... Yeah. I got hope riding on this one.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
What I'd be more worried about is the story. The more I read it the less enthused I am.
Let's hope it's a rumor.
I remembered how you hated RR original script for
Predators too. It's almost as bad as the Shane Salerno
AvP: R first draft.
Predators felt to much like a remake to me. The most interesting Predator in the movie was Laurence Fishburne. It's really the strangest thing. It's a Predator movie that really doesn't have the Predators in it to much. And when it does, it feels very bland.
I hope the story for the new movie is a rumor, but I have a feeling it isn't.
Things sounded pretty good up until THE PREDATOR 2.0 ::)
Let's hope that doesn't make the final cut.
Quote from: Dino21AvP on Feb 10, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
Things sounded pretty good up until THE PREDATOR 2.0 ::)
Let's hope that doesn't make the final cut.
I hope it doesn't look like this piece of shit.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adventuresinpoortaste.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F12%2Falien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-featured.png&hash=dcc9451e780c47d21649f2acfe6c41f26d96e327)
How can that not be in the final cut... I have no problem with it... If it goes darker more demented demon style instead of like those terrible buff AVP predators... time to make predator creepy again... not almost superhero style.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 11:54:30 PM
Quote from: Dino21AvP on Feb 10, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
Things sounded pretty good up until THE PREDATOR 2.0 ::)
Let's hope that doesn't make the final cut.
I hope it doesn't look like this piece of shit.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adventuresinpoortaste.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F12%2Falien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-featured.png&hash=dcc9451e780c47d21649f2acfe6c41f26d96e327)
Good god that would be the worst. Especially if they were to keep that gimp arm coming out of the shoulder. It would definitely be "much more nefarious" though. :D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Vz3kcXAAANBsi.jpg)
I liked Predators whenever the predators weren't onscreen. Their execution was weak. They felt like men in suits. There was no wonder or excitement. You get wonder and excitement at the end of P2. Even at the beginning of AvPR with the predator on the planet.
I like the character descriptions, especially Holbrook and Brown's. I also like the idea of the film possibly opening with a covert mission before the main characters come across a Predator.
I'm taking a good amount of salt with this, though. With phrases like "Basically the Amy Adams character from Arrival in the Predator universe," it's hard to know how much of this is official and not loose interpretation of what the source found out. So what do they mean by family reunion? Assuming his son is estranged, do they mean a literal reunion like complete with a barbecue in the suburbs or just the reunion of Holbrook and Tremblay's character? Hopefully the latter with not much time spent in suburbia.
I hope if the 2.0 thing is true they don't go way over the top with its execution. I'm much more interested in the return of the Predator in the form we're familiar with.
oh joy, they're ripping off Jason X ::)
Did anyone screencap the Slash Report page? It's now saying ''AT THE REQUEST OF THE STUDIO, WE HAVE TAKEN THE REPORT DOWN. SORRY.''
I missed the rumour, so could someone politely explain what it was? Thank You :)
Quote from: David 8 on Feb 11, 2017, 01:14:15 AM
Did anyone screencap the Slash Report page? It's now saying ''AT THE REQUEST OF THE STUDIO, WE HAVE TAKEN THE REPORT DOWN. SORRY.''
I missed the rumour, so could someone politely explain what it was? Thank You :)
Boyd Holbrook is Lieutenant Quinn McKenna (characters name might change), an elite soldier suffering from serious PTSD now working covert ops around the world. His team is trying to assassinate a drug lord in Cuba when the story begins.
Jacob Tremblay is Rory McKenna. The estranged 12-year-old son of Quinn Mckenna who lives with his mother. He's an autistic genius who gets bullied at school.
Olivia Munn is Casey Brackett. She's a science professor at Berkeley who's an expert in Evolutionary biology. Basically the Amy Adams character from Arrival in the Predator universe.
Sterling K. Brown is CIA Agent Traeger. He works for an off-the-book organization who's known the Predator's existence for a while. He captures Lt. McKenna and recruits to help investigate the situation.
The story takes places 30 years after the events of the first and second movies. A predator spacecraft crashes in Cuba during covert ops run by Lt. McKenna. Before being captured by the CIA and Traeger, he sends part of the downed Predator armor by mail to his son Rory. After the supposedly "comatose" Predator is revived, a race for the missing tech brings all the characters together face-to-face with something much more nefarious... THE PREDATOR 2.0 A ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator who will crash the McKenna family reunion in suburbia.
Guess it was all true then... I like it opening in Cuba...
yass.
we gonna get
some
CUBAN DRUG LORD HIJINKS!1
;D ;D
@ The Wolverine Predator
Thanks!
Fox really told them to take it down? Oh... Finger's crossed. Let's hope that the Predator 2.0 is taken out.
Quote from: David 8 on Feb 11, 2017, 02:29:58 AM
@ The Wolverine Predator
Thanks!
No problem
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2017, 02:35:25 AM
Fox really told them to take it down? Oh... Finger's crossed. Let's hope that the Predator 2.0 is taken out.
Well, them making him take the report down leads me to believe that it was true. Why make them take down a bogus report?
Exactly... it's true... deal with it
Quote from: Xan21 on Feb 11, 2017, 03:03:29 AM
Exactly... it's true... deal with it
No need to be snippy. We don't have to like it.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 11, 2017, 03:56:15 AM
No need to be snippy. We don't have to like it.
Amen.
I mean there's hope that it could just be a rumor! I hope it's just a rumor!
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 11, 2017, 02:58:00 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2017, 02:35:25 AM
Fox really told them to take it down? Oh... Finger's crossed. Let's hope that the Predator 2.0 is taken out.
Well, them making him take the report down leads me to believe that it was true. Why make them take down a bogus report?
I hear what you're saying, echobbase, but I think it's hard to know for sure though. Shane set the record straight by shooting down the bogus claim of Mcgregor being offered the lead role. They could be taking down the rumored plot details because they don't want it leaked or they simply don't want movie buffs like us to get inaccurate reporting of the direction they're going.
Maybe portions of the report are true? Maybe all of it? None? Hard to know for sure before shooting starts but I'm damn curious now.
The 'Ripley's mum is in Covenant' rumour was pulled from the internet by Fox, and has been more or less confirmed as not happening in the movie.
Fox may well have taken it down to avoid negative publicity or false information.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 11, 2017, 06:22:48 AM
The 'Ripley's mum is in Covenant' rumour was pulled from the internet by Fox, and has been more or less confirmed as not happening in the movie.
Fox may well have taken it down to avoid negative publicity or false information.
Thank you for bringing some clarity and perhaps peace of mind. This could all still be rumors and speculation, and I am hoping that we do get something good without the whole bigger is better gimmick which this rumored plot is suggesting.
Can someone Tweet Shane and tell him that a genetically modified super-sized Predator is bordering on Rodriguez stupidity...
Quote from: SiL on Feb 11, 2017, 06:22:48 AM
The 'Ripley's mum is in Covenant' rumour was pulled from the internet by Fox, and has been more or less confirmed as not happening in the movie.
Fox may well have taken it down to avoid negative publicity or false information.
Exactly. The only time we've seen Fox take a text story down recently was something that turned out to be untrue. They left all ours alone which have all largely been proven correct.
We've had a draft about this saved all night because RidgeTop and I couldn't decide whether or not to post it. The guy who was making a biggish deal out of this was apparently the founder of Latino Review and I wouldn't have questioned this if it came from them. But he's also the Editor in Chief of SlashReport but I'm not really familiar with the outlet.
This seems to be true though, the character names, the stolen Predator tech, the suburb stuff. I buy this, getting a concrete Jungle feeling and i like the story, sounds really fun. Not sure about the new Predator stuff but hey, there is also a Chance it ends up well done on the screen.
Oh and just to clarify, Black never said there were no suburbs, he said its not all about the suburbs, and there is the difference.
Well if the reports true the script does sound exciting. I just hope it's well executed in film and not to skimp on the level of violence and bad language that made the original predator great. The predator 2.0 genetically modified being I hope his design is well executed and is at least on par or tops the original predator so us fans can be at last satisfied by a great predator sequel. Another mention I hope they use Alan Silvestris music as a base because that music is so damn predator and any new composer can then take the score in new directions.
I have memories of Latino Review being unreliable, but that might've been from years back.
Well, that sounds like shit. Mailing Predator equipment from Cuba to US suburbs? 10 ft tall super i-pod predator 2.0? They'll never learn...
It's Jurassic World all over again, "oh no a super dinosaur"... the movie turned out great and the Indominus was awesome. Really guys, i get it, there is really no need for a super duper Predator, but so is no reason for another Predator movie at all, let's just all dry our panties at this point.
No risk, no fun.
Exactly.
Shane Black is the best writer that has ever worked on a Predator film so far.
Let's calm down a bit.... (impossible in an AVP forum, i know.)
The suburbia stuff is definitely wrong since Shane Black publicly demented that rumor. So I would really advise caution on this. The rest of the report is fetched from the original plot synopsis. We know that:
A Predator (dead or still alive) leaves behind weapons/gear. Boyd Holdbrook finds it, his son investigates it (Iron Man 3 Style) and another Predator comes for the gear (and probably for the captured predator). I think these parts are true... the rest. I really doubt it.
It would be kind of lame that they simply reintroduce a kind of Super Predator. Those were very divisive in the first place. However it is interesting that Shane Black said before that "The Predator" is not a Reboot but an inventive Sequel and that it will build on the films that came before... the genetic Uber-Predator would fall very much inline with that statement.
Nevertheless, I would still take it with a grain of salt.
Instead of always modding up the Predator i`d prefer something fresh, like either sending a female Predator who`s the most badass of her clan/tribe... or an elder Predator. You dont have to go super duper necessarily to bring something new.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 11, 2017, 10:02:07 AM
It's Jurassic World all over again, "oh no a super dinosaur"... the movie turned out great and the Indominus was awesome. Really guys, i get it, there is really no need for a super duper Predator, but so is no reason for another Predator movie at all, let's just all dry our panties at this point.
No risk, no fun.
JW great? Hardly. It was as forgetable as it's only possible, with dumb as f**k T-Rex/ Raptor team up atcthe end. I admitt Indominus was actually one of the best parts of it.
I'm not shitting on P4. I'll watch it on matter what. I just don't understand the need of "new/bigger/meaner" threat. Ps proved uber predator doesn't work. We don't need to be told this new creature is better. We need to be shown it's better. And I'm sick of this gimmick stuff new films are plenty lately.
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 11:16:42 AM
Ps proved uber predator doesn't work.
Predators only proved that it was a deeply mediocre film.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 11, 2017, 10:02:07 AM
It's Jurassic World all over again, "oh no a super dinosaur"... the movie turned out great and the Indominus was awesome.
Jurassic World was awful.
Speak for yourself, i thought JW was the movie of 2015, we finally got a fully functional Park and the sense of excitement and wonder of the dinos themselfes again. The raptors were real characters this time. I loved every second of this movie, i really do, popcorn cinema at it's finest.
I agree that we don't need a bigger version of the Predator, a normal one is good enough for me, but if that means we get something we havent seen before and maybe get some more infos about the Predators themselfes i'm open to the idea.
But as Fred Dekker already said, the fans have their Shurikens sharpened, there is no pleasing anyone, the fan community as a whole is so divergent as to what the Predator should be, what the story should be about, who should be cast etc. I just want a good movie, with smart dialogue, likable characters, new stuff to discover... and if that means there is a new kind of Predator in this movie then so it might be, it's not a dealbreaker for me. There is a talent in this community to expect the worst of the worst everytime the filmmakers even dare to think of something we havent seen at least a hundred times before. Yet, they will buy every action figure where the Predator has 10 arms and three heads.
I feel like this movie is being done for people like me, who really want to take a risk, get out of it's comfort zone with this franchise, because as of right now, it was in a f**king loop and i actually want them to get crazy with this. That's what was so disapointing with the Rodriguez one, they said it's going to be bold and new and i was all fired up... and then came the cheapo version of the first movie. No.. NO, not this time and i'm so f**king glad. This franchise needs balls again.
Johnny you did a pretty good job at convincing yourself.but this plot is silly.
Same old super pred BS.
I would have been disappointed if you would actually have liked it ;D
Quote from: SiL on Feb 11, 2017, 11:48:14 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 11, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
Speak for yourself,
You first :-\
I do, and for the solid 7 it has on IMDB and the 1,5 billion it did... but yeah i'm sure i'm the only one who liked it, just saying.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 11, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
Speak for yourself, i thought JW was the movie of 2015, we finally got a fully functional Park and the sense of excitement and wonder of the dinos themselfes again. The raptors were real characters this time. I loved every second of this movie, i really do, popcorn cinema at it's finest.
I agree that we don't need a bigger version of the Predator, a normal one is good enough for me, but if that means we get something we havent seen before and maybe get some more infos about the Predators themselfes i'm open to the idea.
But as Fred Dekker already said, the fans have their Shurikens sharpened, there is no pleasing anyone, the fan community as a whole is so divergent as to what the Predator should be, what the story should be about, who should be cast etc. I just want a good movie, with smart dialogue, likable characters, new stuff to discover... and if that means there is a new kind of Predator in this movie then so it might be, it's not a dealbreaker for me. There is a talent in this community to expect the worst of the worst everytime the filmmakers even dare to think of something we havent seen at least a hundred times before. Yet, they will buy every action figure where the Predator has 10 arms and three heads.
I feel like this movie is being done for people like me, who really want to take a risk, get out of it's comfort zone with this franchise, because as of right now, it was in a f**king loop and i actually want them to get crazy with this. That's what was so disapointing with the Rodriguez one, they said it's going to be bold and new and i was all fired up... and then came the cheapo version of the first movie. No.. NO, not this time and i'm so f**king glad. This franchise needs balls again.
Listen, Im all up for new inventions and am sick of the rehashed "hunting"-plotline. I´m all for new ideas and fresh takes. I mean AvP gets so much hate, but I loved that in the first movie they really added to the lore of the Predator with the whole ancient Gods thing. So Im all in if its original ideas. Shane Black should be allowed to go apeshit crazy. I love that we get multiple settings, an ensemble cast, some sense of mystery and discovery. But simply repeating the whole "Predator 2.0" from Rodriguez´s Predators just doesnt get me enough excited at this point.
I don't understand what's so hard in finding the middle ground. Either sequels are "going back to the roots" giving us same old film, only worse and dumbed down (ep VII, Ps, JW) or "Innovative sequel/reboot" where the franchise is hardly recognisable anymore (Prometheus, Robocop, Total Recall ). I want normal sequel! The one that expands on earlier material, not trying to reinvent it. Too much?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 11, 2017, 12:28:13 PM
I do, and for the solid 7 it has on IMDB and the 1,5 billion it did... but yeah i'm sure i'm the only one who liked it, just saying.
You said 'It was great'. I said it was awful. We used the same language, but I'm the one who needs to speak for himself? Get a grip, dude. We disagree, no reason to be dismissive.
It made money, but it's still a poorly written, poorly directed movie. Plenty of people agree, and their views aren't invalidated by an IMDb score. Avatar being the highest grossing film doesn't make it the best movie.
Super Predator 2.0 points towards a messed up Predator face again and the wait will go on until someone can make the mandibles open and close right again.
The mandibles haven't worked properly since the first film :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Feb 11, 2017, 12:41:23 PM
The mandibles haven't worked properly since the first film :laugh:
Exactly.
Scars would've been good if they'd been designed properly. The actual animatronic inside was great.
P2 had some clipping issues, but it closed properly and unmasked Pred looked menacing. In Ps it didn't closed at all (did it even move?).
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 10, 2017, 11:47:18 PM
Language Omega, Language!!! :laugh:
Always keep harsh language handy for close encounters
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kellvin_Chavez/status/830228556470943744 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kellvin_Chavez/status/830228556470943744)
Quoteguess it was true, but that's what we're about telling the truth
*Added actual quote. Hicks.
Confusing. So he's all "about telling the truth" but he reported something that he's "guessing" was true after they demanded it be taken down? Sounds contradictory lol
I'm thinking the report could have partial truth but who knows what changes have been made since the source found anything. This doesn't seem like an "official" character description: "Basically the Amy Adams character from Arrival in the Predator universe," so I'm betting the report may be a bit off or exaggerated.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 11, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
Speak for yourself, i thought JW was the movie of 2015, we finally got a fully functional Park and the sense of excitement and wonder of the dinos themselfes again. The raptors were real characters this time. I loved every second of this movie, i really do, popcorn cinema at it's finest.
I agree that we don't need a bigger version of the Predator, a normal one is good enough for me, but if that means we get something we havent seen before and maybe get some more infos about the Predators themselfes i'm open to the idea.
But as Fred Dekker already said, the fans have their Shurikens sharpened, there is no pleasing anyone, the fan community as a whole is so divergent as to what the Predator should be, what the story should be about, who should be cast etc. I just want a good movie, with smart dialogue, likable characters, new stuff to discover... and if that means there is a new kind of Predator in this movie then so it might be, it's not a dealbreaker for me. There is a talent in this community to expect the worst of the worst everytime the filmmakers even dare to think of something we havent seen at least a hundred times before. Yet, they will buy every action figure where the Predator has 10 arms and three heads.
I feel like this movie is being done for people like me, who really want to take a risk, get out of it's comfort zone with this franchise, because as of right now, it was in a f**king loop and i actually want them to get crazy with this. That's what was so disapointing with the Rodriguez one, they said it's going to be bold and new and i was all fired up... and then came the cheapo version of the first movie. No.. NO, not this time and i'm so f**king glad. This franchise needs balls again.
Ahh, I like you more and more Johnny. Articulating many things I think to be true. Jurassic World was indeed great and Predators was the cheap version of the original.
You must remember though. This is a masochistic fanbase that enjoys creating worry in their minds. Out of something that isn't there. Testing screenings for Covenant??? Oh no the movie is terrible! Multiple fx companies working on Covenant?? This isn't normal, oh no we're screwed!!!
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 11, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 11, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
Speak for yourself, i thought JW was the movie of 2015, we finally got a fully functional Park and the sense of excitement and wonder of the dinos themselfes again. The raptors were real characters this time. I loved every second of this movie, i really do, popcorn cinema at it's finest.
I agree that we don't need a bigger version of the Predator, a normal one is good enough for me, but if that means we get something we havent seen before and maybe get some more infos about the Predators themselfes i'm open to the idea.
But as Fred Dekker already said, the fans have their Shurikens sharpened, there is no pleasing anyone, the fan community as a whole is so divergent as to what the Predator should be, what the story should be about, who should be cast etc. I just want a good movie, with smart dialogue, likable characters, new stuff to discover... and if that means there is a new kind of Predator in this movie then so it might be, it's not a dealbreaker for me. There is a talent in this community to expect the worst of the worst everytime the filmmakers even dare to think of something we havent seen at least a hundred times before. Yet, they will buy every action figure where the Predator has 10 arms and three heads.
I feel like this movie is being done for people like me, who really want to take a risk, get out of it's comfort zone with this franchise, because as of right now, it was in a f**king loop and i actually want them to get crazy with this. That's what was so disapointing with the Rodriguez one, they said it's going to be bold and new and i was all fired up... and then came the cheapo version of the first movie. No.. NO, not this time and i'm so f**king glad. This franchise needs balls again.
Ahh, I like you more and more Johnny. Articulating many things I think to be true. Jurassic World was indeed great and Predators was the cheap version of the original.
You must remember though. This is a masochistic fanbase that enjoys creating worry in their minds. Out of something that isn't there. Testing screenings for Covenant??? Oh no the movie is terrible! Multiple fx companies working on Covenant?? This isn't normal, oh no we're screwed!!!
Starting again are we, now what did Hicks warn you about??
Some will never learn. What's up Bishop, how is Zac Efron doing? Ready for the role?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 11, 2017, 03:08:07 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kellvin_Chavez/status/830228556470943744 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kellvin_Chavez/status/830228556470943744)
Great - so Super Predator v2.0 was all true then...
Still hoping it was just bad wording by the reporter....
I have the theory, dumbest ideas ale always most true.
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
I have the theory, dumbest ideas ale always most true.
Some of the best movies sound ridiculous on paper. See back to the future. It's never about the content. It's about execution of said content.
You may have noticed we haven't frontpaged this yet. We couldn't decide whether or not this was legit. I've just been checking over with some of my own avenues and I believe this to be legit information but possibly from an older draft.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 11, 2017, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
I have the theory, dumbest ideas ale always most true.
Some of the best movies sound ridiculous on paper. See back to the future. It's never about the content. It's about execution of said content.
I think you're right. The problem is, it seems the studio haven't learned anything from Predators. Creature from monster movie is as good as it's performance. You can't, especially in established franchise, just tell audience their new monster is better. They must see that it is. I can't poseibly imagine what 10 ft uberpredator can do, to overdo Jungle Hunter. They tried it last time, it failed.
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 11, 2017, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
I have the theory, dumbest ideas ale always most true.
Some of the best movies sound ridiculous on paper. See back to the future. It's never about the content. It's about execution of said content.
I think you're right. The problem is, it seems the studio haven't learned anything from Predators. Creature from monster movie is as good as it's performance. You can't, especially in established franchise, just tell audience their new monster is better. They must see that it is. I can't poseibly imagine what 10 ft uberpredator can do, to overdo Jungle Hunter. They tried it last time, it failed.
Exactly.Cheerleaders gonna cheer...
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 11, 2017, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
I have the theory, dumbest ideas ale always most true.
Some of the best movies sound ridiculous on paper. See back to the future. It's never about the content. It's about execution of said content.
I think you're right. The problem is, it seems the studio haven't learned anything from Predators. Creature from monster movie is as good as it's performance. You can't, especially in established franchise, just tell audience their new monster is better. They must see that it is. I can't poseibly imagine what 10 ft uberpredator can do, to overdo Jungle Hunter. They tried it last time, it failed.
Maybe Predators would have been more enjoyable if Rodriguez hadn't have raved on about how his Super Preds were better than the originals. He failed in the execution.
Predators was also done on the quick and on the cheap. The Predator seems to be getting a lot of extra time, care and money. We'll see how Black pulls it off. I'm told that the script is actually great. Very Shane Black.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2017, 07:50:35 PM
Predators was also done on the quick and on the cheap. The Predator seems to be getting a lot of extra time, care and money. We'll see how Black pulls it off. I'm told that the script is actually great. Very Shane Black.
In regards to a rough timeline breakdown of pre production/filming/post production how would you expect The Predator to look compared to Predators?
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 11, 2017, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 11, 2017, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
I have the theory, dumbest ideas ale always most true.
Some of the best movies sound ridiculous on paper. See back to the future. It's never about the content. It's about execution of said content.
I think you're right. The problem is, it seems the studio haven't learned anything from Predators. Creature from monster movie is as good as it's performance. You can't, especially in established franchise, just tell audience their new monster is better. They must see that it is. I can't poseibly imagine what 10 ft uberpredator can do, to overdo Jungle Hunter. They tried it last time, it failed.
Maybe Predators would have been more enjoyable if Rodriguez hadn't have raved on about how his Super Preds were better than the originals. He failed in the execution.
Not only he raved about it, he also had his SP kill OP, just to show it. It never works and is disliked by fans, see JP3.
My problem with the Berserkers was that they're all offed relatively easily. If they'd have had one single Berserker who went through everything they all did - blown up and slashed up and then make it through a fight with Classic, they might have actually come across as badass.
That's the problem with multiple Predator scenario. Either they die to easily, or doesn't do enough.
Funny thing with Predators is, those things that were ridiculed the most, like hounds and falcon were the best.
So the rumored plot is potentially true then? Along with the Predator 2.0?
God, I am TRYING so hard not to look like the bad guy by just ranting.. I mean I haven't said anything bad about the movie!
The predators are an advance intergalactic race of intelligent beings. So I can buy a Pred that's on the juice and genome. In Cuba eh, guess we might get to see a predator on a motorbike yet.
Dont you miss the days when predators were alien hunters.Keep it simple.It worked.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
My problem with the Berserkers was that they're all offed relatively easily. If they'd have had one single Berserker who went through everything they all did - blown up and slashed up and then make it through a fight with Classic, they might have actually come across as badass.
I tend to think of the berserkers as just standard predators but of a different ethnicity to the ones we are used to. When viewing that film I don't interperste anything shown to indicate they are superior to to the standard.
Of course, we had Nolan say that the bigger ones hunt the smaller ones. Again. Does not make them Superior. There are human ethnicities that tend to be physically smaller on a whole than others but the larger ones are not Superior.
Sure. We see one kill a standard Predator but how long had Classic been hanging? He was likely malnuritied and tired. Beaten and weak. He even put up a decent fight.
When I ignore the super predator comments I enjoy those three 'Beserkers' and the film, more. They were not more badass and didn't need to be.
Lol shame that that was the intent though.
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
I don't understand what's so hard in finding the middle ground. Either sequels are "going back to the roots" giving us same old film, only worse and dumbed down (ep VII, Ps, JW) or "Innovative sequel/reboot" where the franchise is hardly recognisable anymore (Prometheus, Robocop, Total Recall ). I want normal sequel! The one that expands on earlier material, not trying to reinvent it. Too much?
Exactly, like Predator 2 did. All you got to do is take a traditional (Winston) Predator, give him some new toys, throw him in a different situation (past, present, or future), and let him kick ass. It so easy, yet they constantly f*ck it up.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 11, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
The predators are an advance intergalactic race of intelligent beings. So I can buy a Pred that's on the juice and genome.
Sure, they're advance but then the question always pops in my head: "Why would they want to?"
I mean they're pretty intelligent, they're very strong, fast enough to outmatch even the finest human athlete and make them look pale in comparison. They're like an enhanced Captain America. They're formidable enough as it is.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2017, 11:39:51 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 11, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
The predators are an advance intergalactic race of intelligent beings. So I can buy a Pred that's on the juice and genome.
Sure, they're advance but then the question always pops in my head: "Why would they want to?"
I mean they're pretty intelligent, they're very strong, fast enough to outmatch even the finest human athlete and make them look pale in comparison. They're like an enhanced Captain America. They're formidable enough as it is.
Perhaps because we're just a warm up to the real big hunting game to be had out in the universe? Hell maybe they fight to build themselves up. Like how humans workout their muscles they can also work up their skeletal system too. Just throwing it out there.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 12, 2017, 01:15:37 AM
Perhaps because we're just a warm up to the real big hunting game to be had out in the universe? Hell maybe they fight to build themselves up. Like how humans workout their muscles they can also work up their skeletal system too. Just throwing it out there.
But there are other ways around to competing against more dangerous prey. I mean developing new tech would be a major example, and absolutely without question I could see them doing. Hell, the new EU even uses this idea which I can say I happy agree with.
The whole idea of a genetically engineered Predator-- I mean if Predators are doing this to themselves, well... to me it makes me seem more like sore losers than anything else. I know that they die in the hunt, it's expected, and for them to do that is something I disagree with.
I get what you're saying WhiteRabbit, and I also believe that Predators do workout as well (and it's likely that they HAVE to considering their life style) but this just... I don't know. If this whole rumor is true, I'm not feeling it. Hopefully, this won't be the case, and maybe instead we'll see an Elite Predator, with advanced gear and weapons which aren't seen in normal Hunts, but instead meant for something more without having to do this bigger, badder nonsense.
And if it is the case.. well.. I'm hoping that it's something that the humans created, like an engineered clone or something-- not something which the Predators had a hand in.
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
That's the problem with multiple Predator scenario. Either they die to easily, or doesn't do enough.
Exactly, sometimes less is more.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2017, 01:38:39 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 12, 2017, 01:15:37 AM
Perhaps because we're just a warm up to the real big hunting game to be had out in the universe? Hell maybe they fight to build themselves up. Like how humans workout their muscles they can also work up their skeletal system too. Just throwing it out there.
But there are other ways around to competing against more dangerous prey. I mean developing new tech would be a major example, and absolutely without question I could see them doing. Hell, the new EU even uses this idea which I can say I happy agree with.
The whole idea of a genetically engineered Predator-- I mean if Predators are doing this to themselves, well... to me it makes me seem more like sore losers than anything else. I know that they die in the hunt, it's expected, and for them to do that is something I disagree with.
I get what you're saying WhiteRabbit, and I also believe that Predators do workout as well (and it's likely that they HAVE to considering their life style) but this just... I don't know. If this whole rumor is true, I'm not feeling it. Hopefully, this won't be the case, and maybe instead we'll see an Elite Predator, with advanced gear and weapons which aren't seen in normal Hunts, but instead meant for something more without having to do this bigger, badder nonsense.
And if it is the case.. well.. I'm hoping that it's something that the humans created, like an engineered clone or something-- not something which the Predators had a hand in.
I'm hoping the same thing. This Predator 2.0 should be an abomination, like a predalien is. Perhaps we are getting Wolf 2.0 in the standard predator. He is on earth to recover the damaged tech and the predator who lost the tech and crashed the ship is this 10 foot predator.
Humans creating human-predator hybrid on today earth? :D :D :D :D :D What's next? Anti-predator Godzilla?
Seriously, human/predator action done right, is exactly what we need.
I don't know what to say. Still interested tho.
Sounds interesting, and now we can look forward to an MMA match between an engineer and predator 2.0, because they are the same size now.
;)
If it ends up being a high paced action movie, I'm all in. Although I guess that scraps my hope for a high speed car chase, seeing that a 10 foot tall predator won't fit in car, logically anyways.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 13, 2017, 11:42:22 AM
If it ends up being a high paced action movie, I'm all in. Although I guess that scraps my hope for a high speed car chase, seeing that a 10 foot tall predator won't fit in car, logically anyways.
No Whabbit, they can use the large predator and use this scene, again.
Always have your hope!!!
Predator and the Hendersons
Sounds like it could be different and fun. Shane Black unleashing a team of "ragtag Army lunatics" against a Predator has peaked my interest a little bit extra.
This is reminding me of when Predators script was released and it had the whole super genetically enhanced preds with black blood crap, also Dutch as a predator clan leader. wtf.
They might drop this Predator 2.0 crap before they start filming.
This looks like something we would expect from comics not movies. Why can't they write a new movie without bringing up a super predator concept?
Anyone remember that Predator 3 script with Dutch? It was like 100 pages of shitposting.
Sounds like total f**king disaster
Not gonna lie, this doesn't sound promising.
Prepare for another weak Predator, Super Predators were so damn weak.
Interesting that you can send alien tech through the mail.
I'm gonna take a wait and see approach...
But I have to be honest, on paper, this synopsis doesn't sound good to me either. :-\
Where is Dutch during this ordeal??
This sounds awful. Are we seriously doing the super predator crap again? Its like the only thing they can come up with to expand on the predator mythology is to make the predators bigger. At this rate we'll get a mega predator the size of godzilla in the next predator film.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Feb 13, 2017, 05:24:58 PM
This sounds awful. Are we seriously doing the super predator crap again? Its like the only thing they can come up with to expand on the predator mythology is to make the predators bigger. At this rate we'll get a mega predator the size of godzilla in the next predator film.
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Dutch will probably fight Predator 2.0 and die.
Quote from: Timmay on Feb 13, 2017, 05:11:00 PM
Interesting that you can send alien tech through the mail.
Or maybe Dutch is now working for UPS. :o :D
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 13, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Feb 13, 2017, 05:24:58 PM
This sounds awful. Are we seriously doing the super predator crap again? Its like the only thing they can come up with to expand on the predator mythology is to make the predators bigger. At this rate we'll get a mega predator the size of godzilla in the next predator film.
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m13dsieLFD1r4my8ko1_500.gif
When i saw this when i was a kid i thought it was awesome.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Feb 13, 2017, 05:24:58 PM
This sounds awful. Are we seriously doing the super predator crap again? Its like the only thing they can come up with to expand on the predator mythology is to make the predators bigger. At this rate we'll get a mega predator the size of godzilla in the next predator film.
Like how the Strause Brothers wanted dinossaur sized aliens in their "AVP3", yeah that would make up for AVPR. Its like everyone there just think making the creatures bigger will solve everything.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 13, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
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Oh come on, TMNT: Secret of the Ooze wasn't bad! At least the Super Shredder was an accident in context of the movie-- and the Mutagen can actually DO that to a person!
But all kidding aside... Ummm... I haven't said anything bad about the movie since it was announced, and was looking forward to seeing someone who had made re-writes to the first movie attempt to tackle it, and I love Black and Dekker's works (Robocop 3 not withstanding) but... now I'm not so sure anymore. I don't wanna shit-can it like I did with PREDATORS when that movie was announced but... I suppose I'm hoping against hope.
I mean burned once, twice shy... Right?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 13, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
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Oh come on, TMNT: Secret of the Ooze wasn't bad! At least the Super Shredder was an accident in context of the movie-- and the Mutagen can actually DO that to a person!
But all kidding aside... Ummm... I haven't said anything bad about the movie since it was announced, and was looking forward to seeing someone who had made re-writes to the first movie attempt to tackle it, and I love Black and Dekker's works (Robocop 3 not withstanding) but... now I'm not so sure anymore. I don't wanna shit-can it like I did with PREDATORS when that movie was announced but... I suppose I'm hoping against hope.
I mean burned once, twice shy... Right?
Yep.
This sounds like a total failure right here which is what makes me believe it's a load of bollocks.
I know that taking it down suggest it might be legit, then again, if the material is an actual copyrighted script than i can understand it gets taken down. It does not mean this story is going to get used at all.
It sounds to me more like a script that was concidered and then not used, i do think some parts or elements of it could be used.
Also it does sound a lot like a mix of "predators" a bit too.
If i had to guess, then i think some parts are being looked at the wrong way - which does make good base for a story.
The crashed predator ship sounds like a perfect idea. Why not?! Because it was used in AVP:R? well, Prometheus stole the origins from AVP. don't hear much complain about that.
Also, finding the remains of the pred and taking its armor away from it doesn't sound implausible either. The Predator relies a whole lot on it's arsenal and accesoires, so i can imagine it has a priority to regain his posessions (ala AVP, lol).
The Suburbia part, sounds a little less fun. But Having the Pred locate it's armor (dont ask me how, but im sure that can be filled in right) in the hands of a 12-year old isnt so bad. He can do it stealthy, and discover a kid holds it, then leave the kid harmless and simply take the armor from the kid and offer something in return (ala Predator 2 ending), creating some character to the creature.
As for the Predator 2.0 that sounds a lot like the early drafts for the 'Berserker' predators. I dont like the idea of a 10 feet tall super-gigantic Goliath Predator by genetic engineering, like some sort of comic-book-bane.
It would make a formidable adversary, and quite frankly, it might bring a base for an expanded universe. How about the Goliath Predator being the actual creature in the Space Jockey fossil?
What i above all don't want to see is a totally beast non-intelligent rabies Predator. The Berserker predator in 'Predators' gave me more the feeling of it being a technologically-advanced and physically superior cavemen alien.
If we get a 10-feet Pred, i prefer to not see it have Hulk-like or Doomsday-like behavoir. Have it be a superbly calm predator. In control. Super smart and intelligent. Better vision. Very adaptable and cunning. Superior strenght. Very agile and aware of it's surroundings through extra senses.
I'm not that negative to this 'leaked' material to be honest.
If it gets transferred 1:1 like that to the screen, it doesnt really sound good. But if it's used as a faint direction to take, then i think there is a lot of material to work with.
"Sounds interesting, and now we can look forward to an MMA match between an engineer and predator 2.0, because they are the same size now.
;)"
This. Come on, we've all thought THIS.^
The Engineer is there to get his accelerant back, after he traces the black blood remnants of the genetically altered/super pred. who stole some to get 'roided'.
Expanded universe in full effect, easy-peasy (and terrible that I'd still watch it but with much sighing throughout)
Win at all costs/methods, no f**ks given will always be WAY less cool to me, than sheer badassery, technique, and honor of top tier 'normal' preds (Broken Tusk, Ahab, Wolf etc.)
I don't watch Predator movies because they're progressively scarier monsters with more height, teeth, arms, eyes etc, I watch them because of the culture, technology (yes I realize a genetic-roid is part of technology), honor, skills/feats etc.
If there ARE going to be two Predators and one of them is 'Super' (ugh), I hope they make the obvious juxtaposition of the two predator schools of thought, and badassery wins the day (wouldn't be flawless victory obvi)
Sorry in advance if this double-posted
I'm deciding to assume the position that this is official misinformation, designed to muddy the waters and obscure the real storyline, which has nothing to do with any of this garbage. 'Quinn McKenna' is the lamest crap action movie name ever. So stupid. It can't be real. It just can't. Surely. Come on. The Pred U is so rich in potential... There's no way this is it. Please?
Predators are scary not just because they are tribal and savage at the same time as they are technologically advanced. They are vicious and primitive by choice, not by necessity, which makes what might be going on in their heads much scarier than their physical appearance. Making them big dumb techno-monsters completely misses the point of the character. I'm having a hard time believing that Black and co would make such an basic mistake. They're pulling our spines.
QuoteTHE PREDATOR 2.0 A ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator
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Seriously, bigger is better?
I saw a review for John Wick 2 that had the reviewers saying that it's basically the first movie but the fighting scenes are all new and that difference made the movie seem fresh.
Why dont more people do this? Come up with new ways to present stuff while keeping the original themes?
Stop with the bigger and bigger Preds and dive more into creating different styles of tribes.
xD
I think one necessary step that they will need to make one day with this franchise is to stop with the 1, 2 or 3 Pred thing and give us an all out war between Predators and Humans. I know it sounds very planet of the apes/Independence Day/Warcraft style, but given the right context, that could work. It wouldnt have to be huge cgi armies or anything. Having something like a Viking Clan fight a Predator clan. Wont eat more than 60 Million budget and Im sure it would earn at least 150.
I'm assume if this 10 feet Predator genetic engineering by human scientist use subject?
And the clan decide send some to analysis trap down the equipment finish the job,is definitely sound concrete jungle.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Feb 13, 2017, 06:40:53 PM
well, Prometheus stole the origins from AVP.
And prometheus is a crap
Quote from: Tangakkai on Feb 13, 2017, 08:28:43 PM
I think one necessary step that they will need to make one day with this franchise is to stop with the 1, 2 or 3 Pred thing and give us an all out war between Predators and Humans. I know it sounds very planet of the apes/Independence Day/Warcraft style, but given the right context, that could work. It wouldnt have to be huge cgi armies or anything. Having something like a Viking Clan fight a Predator clan. Wont eat more than 60 Million budget and Im sure it would earn at least 150.
Good God. Seriously?
Quote from: Lotus on Feb 13, 2017, 08:29:26 PM
I'm assume if this 10 feet Predator genetic engineering by human scientist use subject?
And the clan decide send some to analysis trap down the equipment finish the job,is definitely sound concrete jungle.
You mean concrete jungle the game or novel?
The ones in the game weren't physically modified by humans, just controlled by them, and it was fine.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Feb 13, 2017, 08:28:43 PM
I think one necessary step that they will need to make one day with this franchise is to stop with the 1, 2 or 3 Pred thing and give us an all out war between Predators and Humans. I know it sounds very planet of the apes/Independence Day/Warcraft style, but given the right context, that could work. It wouldnt have to be huge cgi armies or anything. Having something like a Viking Clan fight a Predator clan. Wont eat more than 60 Million budget and Im sure it would earn at least 150.
Humans right now have no chance, preds can literally bomb Earth for the lols if they wanted, even if you put only a dozen preds together humans will get humiliated.
The only time humans seemed to have reached a point where they have chance on going on a war against preds is on the Rage War novels, and it happens on 2692.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Feb 13, 2017, 06:40:53 PM
Prometheus stole the origins from AVP. don't hear much complain about that.
Because they were in turn stolen from ideas and early drafts of Alien (or it happens to be a coincidence). At least all the ancient pyramid part are all in Obannon's early version of Alien. The reason you don't hear about it is because Ridley Scott was more exploring stuff left over that either got cut due to change in direction or got cut because of budget limitations.
Why did I ever think they WEREN'T going to f**k this up?
it must be true, because it sounds TERRIBLE, also, fu*k Predators, awful movie
Agreed with the rest. Don't like it much either. Hypemeter plummeting.
Quote from: Feeds On Minds on Feb 13, 2017, 10:17:51 PM
Why did I ever think they WEREN'T going to f**k this up?
are you surprised? to be fair, i am thinking thiw was something like the original script and now they changed stuff and is different, but i dont think it will be a good movie (even less by the director of the terrible IM3) what i think is that they need to stop Alien/Predator movies, they dont know what to do with it, i want one, GOOD AvP movie and then let the franchises rest
I'm curious how many drafts Fred Dekker has written of the script ever since the project was first announced? He started writing it back in 2014, right? So there's no telling how many possible drafts there are.
Having some rather mixed feelings about this claimed leaked plot.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 13, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
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Oh come on, TMNT: Secret of the Ooze wasn't bad! At least the Super Shredder was an accident in context of the movie-- and the Mutagen can actually DO that to a person!
But all kidding aside... Ummm... I haven't said anything bad about the movie since it was announced, and was looking forward to seeing someone who had made re-writes to the first movie attempt to tackle it, and I love Black and Dekker's works (Robocop 3 not withstanding) but... now I'm not so sure anymore. I don't wanna shit-can it like I did with PREDATORS when that movie was announced but... I suppose I'm hoping against hope.
I mean burned once, twice shy... Right?
Do you reckon this would hint of a fight between the traditional Predator/Yautja and Predator 2.0 and the Traditional Predator wins the fight. In a way trying to make up for the injustice of Predators having the classic Predator beaten.
Sounds awfully similar to the ending of Jurassic World. After fans were out raged by T-Rex's death in Jurassic Park 3 from fighting a Spinosaurus. Jurassic World attempted to make up for it by having the T-Rex beat the Indominous Rex in the climatic fight.
Steven Speilberg admits that the idea of redeeming the T-Rex came from fans disapproval of Jurassic Park 3 treatment of the T-Rex.
The alleged leaked synopsis does seem rather bleh!
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Feb 13, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
Do you reckon this would hint of a fight between the traditional Predator/Yautja and Predator 2.0 and the Traditional Predator wins the fight. In a way trying to make up for the injustice of Predators having the classic Predator beaten.
Possibly, but I'm still asking the question as to why the Predator 2.0 just needs to exist? If you're gonna go with a Super Predator, go with a Super Predator, even though some fans didn't like them or want to see them again. If we're just going to see a bigger version of a traditional Predator, it just screams laziness in design to me. We've seen naturally bigger Predators before in the franchise, Stone Heart from Concrete Jungle being one-- why couldn't we just go with something like that, a Predator who is just naturally big without the need for genetic modification?
This sounds horrible. I decided to look at the spoilers because of the reactions some people were having, and it's just...ugh. Why even bother? There are so many things, original things, that can be done with a property like Predator. This is like lowest common denominator stuff. Transformers esque, family nonsense. An R rated family movie. Even the plot to AVP:R looks great when compared to this synopsis. If this is the story, it will have to be directed flawlessly for it to translate into a passable movie, and after seeing IM3, I don't think that is in the cards. That was shit script/story too and it ended up a shit movie. If this is true, now we know why it's been so hard to get a cast together. The script is shit.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 14, 2017, 01:14:37 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Feb 13, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
Do you reckon this would hint of a fight between the traditional Predator/Yautja and Predator 2.0 and the Traditional Predator wins the fight. In a way trying to make up for the injustice of Predators having the classic Predator beaten.
Possibly, but I'm still asking the question as to why the Predator 2.0 just needs to exist? If you're gonna go with a Super Predator, go with a Super Predator, even though some fans didn't like them or want to see them again. If we're just going to see a bigger version of a traditional Predator, it just screams laziness in design to me. We've seen naturally bigger Predators before in the franchise, Stone Heart from Concrete Jungle being one-- why couldn't we just go with something like that, a Predator who is just naturally big without the need for genetic modification?
I just hope it doesn't deviate to much from the original design of the creature. Maybe the 2.0 only concerns the bigger height and new tech/armor I'm sure it will have. At least that's what I'm hoping for.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 14, 2017, 01:14:37 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Feb 13, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
Do you reckon this would hint of a fight between the traditional Predator/Yautja and Predator 2.0 and the Traditional Predator wins the fight. In a way trying to make up for the injustice of Predators having the classic Predator beaten.
Possibly, but I'm still asking the question as to why the Predator 2.0 just needs to exist? If you're gonna go with a Super Predator, go with a Super Predator, even though some fans didn't like them or want to see them again. If we're just going to see a bigger version of a traditional Predator, it just screams laziness in design to me. We've seen naturally bigger Predators before in the franchise, Stone Heart from Concrete Jungle being one-- why couldn't we just go with something like that, a Predator who is just naturally big without the need for genetic modification?
I have a feeling that if the whole "Predator 2.0" is true, I think just a placement holder for the "Super" Predators we seen in Predators. If anything, if this movie does include them and actually makes an interesting expansion on the lore to how and why they are "super", as Predators failed to do, then I can get behind this.
Plus I don't understand the whole "bigger is better" thing they got for the "Predator 2.0" if its true or whatever. Why would the Preds need to make such a thing? They are already much stronger, faster, and technologically advanced to face almost anything. They are hunter-warriors, why need this?
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 14, 2017, 01:44:47 AM
Plus I don't understand the whole "bigger is better" thing they got for the "Predator 2.0" if its true or whatever. Why would the Preds need to make such a thing? They are already much stronger, faster, and technologically advanced to face almost anything. They are hunter-warriors, why need this?
Precisely why I am not too happy about hearing about the Predator 2.0 thing, assuming if that's at all kept. They're already formidable as it is, and scary as it is because of what they are already capable of. Something which Rodriguez and company didn't get when they were making PREDATORS.
I haven't said anything bad about the movie, haven't said anything about it in two years considering news about it has been scant-- and I don't intend on saying anything bad about it like I did with PREDATORS in the beginning of production for that movie. But I'm already getting some heat about the Predator 2.0 because some fans see no issue with it. Here's the thing which, I don't think they're seeing, and you perfectly addressed it in your post. You hit all the points I've been trying to say.
Bigger doesn't mean better.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 14, 2017, 01:44:47 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 14, 2017, 01:14:37 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Feb 13, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
Do you reckon this would hint of a fight between the traditional Predator/Yautja and Predator 2.0 and the Traditional Predator wins the fight. In a way trying to make up for the injustice of Predators having the classic Predator beaten.
Possibly, but I'm still asking the question as to why the Predator 2.0 just needs to exist? If you're gonna go with a Super Predator, go with a Super Predator, even though some fans didn't like them or want to see them again. If we're just going to see a bigger version of a traditional Predator, it just screams laziness in design to me. We've seen naturally bigger Predators before in the franchise, Stone Heart from Concrete Jungle being one-- why couldn't we just go with something like that, a Predator who is just naturally big without the need for genetic modification?
I have a feeling that if the whole "Predator 2.0" is true, I think just a placement holder for the "Super" Predators we seen in Predators. If anything, if this movie does include them and actually makes an interesting expansion on the lore to how and why they are "super", as Predators failed to do, then I can get behind this.
Plus I don't understand the whole "bigger is better" thing they got for the "Predator 2.0" if its true or whatever. Why would the Preds need to make such a thing? They are already much stronger, faster, and technologically advanced to face almost anything. They are hunter-warriors, why need this?
I agree that bigger doesn't mean better.
For all we know, Predator kids could kick our asses. :laugh:
Anyway, this Predator 2.0, I have a feeling that it's not a "super predator" (like Berserker).
I think this Predator is similar to Wolf, a cleaner of sorts. He is sent to come and retrieve the stolen technology. The reason they send him is because, like it's said, he's genetically modified and no doubt a Predator version of a spec ops.
By this point, we're clearly an advanced species ourselves so I don't see why they won't send something else to ensure the highest chance of succeeding in retrieving the stolen tech. This thing must've been made by Predators to be a warrior to combat retribution from other species and ensure they don't catch up technologically with the hunters. (If you're gonna hunt intelligent races, might as well be prepared for it.)
For all we know, the reason 2.0 is 10 feet tall, is because he was likely designed to combat huge things himself. He comes to Earth perhaps because he's the closest to the Sol system at the time? I don't know.
Anyway, I'm just going to wait and see how this goes. I do like that they're adding some diversity and variety. I hope it'll play out well on film.
It's called just doing something new and refreshing. James Cameron created a 16 foot tall Queen Alien. That's a huge difference from the 8 foot original Alien. Besides 10 feet isn't too much taller then the 7-8 foot Predators we all know and love. I think it would be pretty cool seeing a 10 foot huge Predator beast.
And the Queen Alien has become a fan favorite and iconic so maybe that will be the case here with this new Predator.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2017, 03:17:40 AM
It's called just doing something new and refreshing. James Cameron created a 16 foot tall Queen Alien. That's a huge difference from the 8 foot original Alien. Besides 10 feet isn't too much taller then the 7-8 foot Predators we all know and love. I think it would be pretty cool seeing a 10 foot huge Predator beast.
And the Queen Alien has become a fan favorite and iconic so maybe that will be the case here with this new Predator.
Exactly, in the Rage War novels, Predators were described as 9 feet tall. Some of the comics display them as massive as well. Even in the Concrete Jungle game, Scarface is pretty huge, probably an 8 foot tall one.
This one's probably 11 or 12 feet tall... (to be honest, I'm not really good with the feet measurement thing. But I'm sure Predator 2.0 is not that far off from the one in this comic panel below.)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F4%2F47262%2F1943489-preblsnds2_025.jpg&hash=81c1e9fbfe94b3bd6e18a1ca74b05159114ab9dd)
sounds like bullshit to me but whatever cant be worse than avp XD
disgusting predator's
I don't get it with the Predator franchise.
The first film is so great but, it's as if no one who watches it, and then attempts to write another film, can recall what made the film and it's monster interesting.
The solution is hunting. What do humans do to hunt. That's the type of set up to address in sequels. I dont think we should get to know or see anything that has to do with the Predators themselves unless a human being is placed in that position.
What types of scenarios do humans have set up to hunt? Take that, spin it on it's head, and that's the key to a good Predator film.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 05:16:10 AM
This one's probably 11 or 12 feet tall... (to be honest, I'm not really good with the feet measurement thing. But I'm sure Predator 2.0 is not that far off from the one in this comic panel below.)
The thing is with comics, they're stylized and there supposed to have a sense of being dynamic. They exaggerate a lot to convey this dynamism. Sure, you could argue that the comic does have a more realistic art style considering the context of a comic, and the fact that it's told in the form of a journal entry and likely imagined in the mind of the character who is reading it, things are going to be exaggerated.
I mean hell, look at the numerous depictions of Venom-- some artist draw him as being 6 to 8 feet-- and some go completely off the wall by having him be up to ten, eleven, twelve.. sometimes twenty feet to really get across that he's a threat to Spider-Man or anyone else.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2017, 03:17:40 AM
It's called just doing something new and refreshing. James Cameron created a 16 foot tall Queen Alien. That's a huge difference from the 8 foot original Alien. Besides 10 feet isn't too much taller then the 7-8 foot Predators we all know and love. I think it would be pretty cool seeing a 10 foot huge Predator beast.
And the Queen Alien has become a fan favorite and iconic so maybe that will be the case here with this new Predator.
How is buffing up this already roided alien any better?
It makes sense that a Queen exists because it explains the eggs that we see on the Jockey ship. And when they added to how larger, stronger, faster, and most importantly and horrifyingly; intelligent, it greatly added to the lore and everyone loved it.
If it was a specialist, why not send a regular Predator like Wolf? The guy can take out a small hive by himself and it is implied that he fought bigger and nastier things. I mean for cripes sake, the FIRST Predator, Jungle Hunter, had taken out an elite commando squad by himself before being taken out by main man. If Wolf outranks Jungle Hunter by experience, age, and rank then a regular bodied Pred like Wolf can do the job
so much easier, not a 10 ft tall "Predator 2.0"
Again I ask, for what purpose does the Predator species need a huge ass bioengineered version of themselves? They hunt the biggest, dangerous, and nastiest things in the universe, its what they live for, its what they love, its their life. They don't need a huge ass lunk to take out the dangerous stuff, that's where the honor comes from, killing the damm thing with their own honor bound clawed hands. If they want to have a "2.0", just have one of those Super Predators from before and expand on them and create a good story from that. I like the idea of an extreme and criminal version of Predators that have a hatred for their other "by the books" kin and vice versa. Things can be worked with that
Its not refreshing if this new thing doesn't make any sense at all with the lore and universe of the Predator franchise.
Well it seems like to you that the genetically enhanced part doesn't make sense or is a weird thing. But as for height. 8 foot could just be average height for Preds who knows how tall they can get just like some people are 7 foot tall giants and others are average heights. Great white sharks max out at 20 feet long but of course there are many great white sharks who are only 12-15 feet long. I think a 10 foot Predator is not to far fetched and it just gives a unique side to this individual who will be the tallest Predator on film yet. It gives him a unique trait and I think that's really cool.
The queen was a really bad idear the "alien" are not "bugs in space" there ALIEN
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 14, 2017, 05:28:17 AM
I don't get it with the Predator franchise.
The first film is so great but, it's as if no one who watches it, and then attempts to write another film, can recall what made the film and it's monster interesting.
The solution is hunting. What do humans do to hunt. That's the type of set up to address in sequels. I dont think we should get to know or see anything that has to do with the Predators themselves unless a human being is placed in that position.
What types of scenarios do humans have set up to hunt? Take that, spin it on it's head, and that's the key to a good Predator film.
Nailed it. Right there.
Gigantism is a "thing" among human beings...
Why not just accept that it could also be a thing among
this very fictional Predator race...
and move on.. :-*
THE PREDATOR 2.0 A ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator
So... we have predator-newborn?
Becuse it still doesn't make you super powered.
Now i get the "You'll never see him coming" tagline!! It's something we haven't seen thus far in the franchise. 8)
Quote from: Master on Feb 14, 2017, 11:26:56 AM
Becuse it still doesn't make you super powered.
:laugh: :D
He's taller stronger, that's it... doesnt mean he's gonna be The HULK.
:laugh:
Settle down, kid.
Quote from: Alienon on Feb 14, 2017, 10:35:50 AM
THE PREDATOR 2.0 A ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator
So... we have predator-newborn?
there was nothing
advanced about the Newborn.
Quote from: skhellter on Feb 14, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Master on Feb 14, 2017, 11:26:56 AM
Becuse it still doesn't make you super powered.
:laugh: :D
He's taller stronger, that's it... doesnt mean he's gonna be The HULK.
:laugh:
Settle down, kid.
Quote from: Alienon on Feb 14, 2017, 10:35:50 AM
THE PREDATOR 2.0 A ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator
So... we have predator-newborn?
there was nothing advanced about the Newborn.
Gigantism, apart from being big, makes one slow, clumsy and with joint pain and failure.
Oh, and please kiss my sweet ass with your "kid" attitude :-*
Comeon, gents. No need for the condescending attitudes here.
I wonder how is The 10 foot tall Pred supposed to be enhanced. Did the Predators enhance him themselves because they know what trouble he's up against trying to take back the Predator technology. It looks like that this new movie is going to stick with the one Predator stalking ideal. We had that in P1 P2, Avpr so far.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2017, 06:36:44 AM
Well it seems like to you that the genetically enhanced part doesn't make sense or is a weird thing. But as for height. 8 foot could just be average height for Preds who knows how tall they can get just like some people are 7 foot tall giants and others are average heights. Great white sharks max out at 20 feet long but of course there are many great white sharks who are only 12-15 feet long. I think a 10 foot Predator is not to far fetched and it just gives a unique side to this individual who will be the tallest Predator on film yet. It gives him a unique trait and I think that's really cool.
If it were just a trait than I agree, I would be so much fine with that. But since the fact that he is 10ft tall
BECAUSE of genetic engineering is what rubs me the wrong way.
Again, I ask to those who defend this; what warrants the Predator race to create a "Predator 2.0"? As I said before, the Preds don't need a secret weapon like that as their entire culture is about
hunting the most dangerous thing out there that the universe has to offer. It feels like the "Super" Predator element all over again, just one sentence and no exploration to it, just take it at face value, no creativity or thought to it at all. The worst thing about it is I like the idea of rogue larger and dangerous versions of the original preds, but there is no substance to how and why they came to be in the end.
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Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2017, 06:36:44 AM
Well it seems like to you that the genetically enhanced part doesn't make sense or is a weird thing. But as for height. 8 foot could just be average height for Preds who knows how tall they can get just like some people are 7 foot tall giants and others are average heights. Great white sharks max out at 20 feet long but of course there are many great white sharks who are only 12-15 feet long. I think a 10 foot Predator is not to far fetched and it just gives a unique side to this individual who will be the tallest Predator on film yet. It gives him a unique trait and I think that's really cool.
If it were just a trait than I agree, I would be so much fine with that. But since the fact that he is 10ft tall BECAUSE of genetic engineering is what rubs me the wrong way.
Again, I ask to those who defend this; what warrants the Predator race to create a "Predator 2.0"? As I said before, the Preds don't need a secret weapon like that as their entire culture is about hunting the most dangerous thing out there that the universe has to offer. It feels like the "Super" Predator element all over again, just one sentence and no exploration to it, just take it at face value, no creativity or thought to it at all. The worst thing about it is I like the idea of rogue larger and dangerous versions of the original preds, but there is no substance to how and why they came to be in the end.
Another thing that came to mind regarding height, remember these aliens probably inhabit different worlds with different gravity.
A man born on Mars would grow taller than a man on Earth due to less gravity pushing down on them.
Anyway, think of Predator 2.0 as their version of a Spartan soldier from Halo or a Space Marine from Warhammer 40k.
Yes, the Predators are a race of hunters whose whole society is based around hunting the most dangerous things out there and kicking its ass. You get badass points for succeeding.
But...
A race that hunts other intelligent races is bound to face the consequences of it. What stops some of these species from going "hang on, these astronomical assholes over there are going around collecting our heads. Let's all band together and teach these immense douchebags a lesson!"
I think these guys are bio-engineered for war. Like I said earlier, a spec ops Predator. The reason 2.0 is sent to Earth is probably because he was the closest to us?
Why send Wolf from hella far away, when you got this supreme hunter literally next door. With these primitives already having got their hands on your tech, might as well send the nearest badass to retrieve it right? Who knows how quickly they can reverse engineer it. Besides, with this warrior, the chances of success are higher as he's likely built for this sort of thing but with only deadlier prey. So now you're sending him for some R & R on some backwater planet to collect stolen gear. This'll seem like a vacation to 2.0... (cue usual Predator underestimation of humanity once again.)
I do understand your concerns though. I like that they're trying out new things but they gotta be careful man, trying out new things can turn out bad. I hope this turns out really good.
I remember when the first Super Predator picture leaked, with that god awful face, and I prayed it was not legit, but in my heart I knew it would be, I have that same feeling now about this leak. It's complete garbage if true, from the casting choices to the idea of a giant predator. I own almost every Predator comic made to date, and I don't recall any of them having a "giant Predator", and somehow, they still tell interesting stories. Somehow the writers find a way to tell the hunter story in a different way, some better than others, but one does not need the 2.0 concept to improve the mythos.
You guys are proof fans shouldn't be heard. I welcome the 10 feet tall Predator idea and can't wait to see what else Shane has in store.
Quote from: overthere on Feb 14, 2017, 08:36:40 PM
You guys are proof fans shouldn't be heard. I welcome the 10 feet tall Predator idea and can't wait to see what else Shane has in store.
Don't worry, they clearly didn't listen to the fans. :-\
I welcome it too, I wonder how it's gonna look and how the humans will have to combat it.
As for fans being heard... we have so many disagreements, which fans will they hear? XD
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 14, 2017, 08:47:45 PM
Don't worry, they clearly didn't listen to the fans. :-\
And I consider that a good thing.
Were fans asking for Black to consider certain ideas? I don't remember the fans being very specific about what they wanted from this movie?
And the dogs... I'd thought PREDATORS was the last I'd seen of those damn things.
This is the movie Wolf should have been in. Wolf is a great example of how you can stay true to the Predator character roots and expand it in an exciting way. Wolf didn't need to be 10ft tall and genetically enhanced, he was simply experienced and had some cool tech to help him out.
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 14, 2017, 09:32:27 PM
This is the movie Wolf should have been in. Wolf is a great example of how you can stay true to the Predator character roots and expand it in an exciting way. Wolf didn't need to be 10ft tall and genetically enhanced, he was simply experienced and had some cool tech to help him out.
I wouldn't mind this, and I would still like to see the last changes become this... Not necessarily Wolf, but another veteran or elite kind of Predator with top of the line gear we have never seen. And we'd get a proper Predator vs Predator fight.
so leprechaun: predator edition?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 14, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
Were fans asking for Black to consider certain ideas? I don't remember the fans being very specific about what they wanted from this movie?
No, and I'm saying I'm glad it's so. Seeing how fans here are already gathering their panties in a bunch over this leaked synopsis when there's nothing wrong with it. This finally sounds like it's not going to be another slasher movie, but will have an actual story.
I've never seen anything like this, this seems something Predator fans are pioneers at. Not just on this forum, I mean elsewhere online, everyone complains at the very mention of a new Predator movie like it's doomed from the start.
Fans have no idea what they want, myself included, and I'm happy Shane is doing something different with it. All who are quick to scream "OMG, this is going to be a disaster" are blind.
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Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 14, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
Were fans asking for Black to consider certain ideas? I don't remember the fans being very specific about what they wanted from this movie?
No, and I'm saying I'm glad it's so. Seeing how fans here are already gathering their panties in a bunch over this leaked synopsis when there's nothing wrong with it. This finally sounds like it's not going to be another slasher movie, but will have an actual story.
I've never seen anything like this, this seems something Predator fans are pioneers at. Not just on this forum, I mean elsewhere online, everyone complains at the very mention of a new Predator movie like it's doomed from the start.
Fans have no idea what they want, myself included, and I'm happy Shane is doing something different with it. All who are quick to scream "OMG, this is going to be a disaster" are blind.
I feel the same as you do, all over everybody is complaining non-stop. AVP and AVP:R aren't great and I understand the disappointment, Predator is my all-time favorite movie, Predator 2 was good to me, Predators was ok, I'm really thinking Shane and Fred are gonna knock this out of the park. Having an actual storyline and character build up can make this into a classic and I think that's what we're gonna get this time around
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 11:07:42 PM
I feel the same as you do, all over everybody is complaining non-stop. AVP and AVP:R aren't great and I understand the disappointment, Predator is my all-time favorite movie, Predator 2 was good to me, Predators was ok, I'm really thinking Shane and Fred are gonna knock this out of the park. Having an actual storyline and character build up can make this into a classic and I think that's what we're gonna get this time around
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Thanks. Predator is my favorite movie too, and as much as I love the original, I can't wait for something different to happen. This sounds like a story about the race to the kid, who'll get to the equipment first, and is exciting even without the Predator in it. Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
This is going to be a fun movie.
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 11:07:42 PM
I feel the same as you do, all over everybody is complaining non-stop. AVP and AVP:R aren't great and I understand the disappointment, Predator is my all-time favorite movie, Predator 2 was good to me, Predators was ok, I'm really thinking Shane and Fred are gonna knock this out of the park. Having an actual storyline and character build up can make this into a classic and I think that's what we're gonna get this time around
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Thanks. Predator is my favorite movie too, and as much as I love the original, I can't wait for something different to happen. This sounds like a story about the race to the kid, who'll get to the equipment first, and is exciting even without the Predator in it. Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
This is going to be a fun movie.
I was telling my wife the other day that I may fly from Michigan to New Jersey to go watch it opening night with my father in-law who's the biggest Predator fan I've ever met
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Maybe you don't, but I do and screw you with generalisation of fanbase. Many of us have clear vision of what they'd like to see and don't bite some half-assed ideas with yet another SP.
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 11:14:11 PM
I was telling my wife the other day that I may fly from Michigan to New Jersey to go watch it opening night with my father in-law who's the biggest Predator fan I've ever met
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I'm the biggest fan. We'll arrange those plane tickets in a few months.
Quote from: overthere on Feb 14, 2017, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 11:14:11 PM
I was telling my wife the other day that I may fly from Michigan to New Jersey to go watch it opening night with my father in-law who's the biggest Predator fan I've ever met
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I'm the biggest fan. We'll arrange those plane tickets in a few months.
Lol...nice!
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Quote from: overthere on Feb 14, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 14, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
Were fans asking for Black to consider certain ideas? I don't remember the fans being very specific about what they wanted from this movie?
No, and I'm saying I'm glad it's so. Seeing how fans here are already gathering their panties in a bunch over this leaked synopsis when there's nothing wrong with it. This finally sounds like it's not going to be another slasher movie, but will have an actual story.
I've never seen anything like this, this seems something Predator fans are pioneers at. Not just on this forum, I mean elsewhere online, everyone complains at the very mention of a new Predator movie like it's doomed from the start.
Fans have no idea what they want, myself included, and I'm happy Shane is doing something different with it. All who are quick to scream "OMG, this is going to be a disaster" are blind.
I see your points and respect them. But to me it just sounds like a really crappy story.
I don't mind it being different. I want it to be different, but that synopsis sounds silly.
Maybe it's the way it was written in the report.
Quote from: Master on Feb 14, 2017, 11:17:16 PM
Maybe you don't, but I do and screw you with generalisation of fanbase. Many of us have clear vision of what they'd like to see and don't bite some half-assed ideas with yet another SP.
Well spoken.
Have you ever read a report on the internet that was 100% correct? For christ's sake, they can't even get the "it's not a f**king reboot" part right, and you think they got the story down to a T?
If the story is something like this, I guarantee it makes total sense in the context of the actual movie.
Quote from: overthere on Feb 14, 2017, 11:36:33 PM
Have you ever read a report on the internet that was 100% correct? For christ's sake, they can't even get the "it's not a f**king reboot" part right, and you think they got the story down to a T?
If the story is something like this, I guarantee it makes total sense in the context of the actual movie.
Good point. lol
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 14, 2017, 09:30:19 PM
And the dogs... I'd thought PREDATORS was the last I'd seen of those damn things.
I think that was a generalization by the writer of the report.
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 11:07:42 PM
I feel the same as you do, all over everybody is complaining non-stop. AVP and AVP:R aren't great and I understand the disappointment, Predator is my all-time favorite movie, Predator 2 was good to me, Predators was ok, I'm really thinking Shane and Fred are gonna knock this out of the park. Having an actual storyline and character build up can make this into a classic and I think that's what we're gonna get this time around
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Thanks. Predator is my favorite movie too, and as much as I love the original, I can't wait for something different to happen. This sounds like a story about the race to the kid, who'll get to the equipment first, and is exciting even without the Predator in it. Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
This is going to be a fun movie.
YES!
Most of the Predator movies were a hunt of some sort.
Hunt spec ops in a forest.
Hunt gangs and cops in a city.
Hunt Aliens and humans in Sub-Antarctica.
Hunt Aliens and humans in a suburb..
Hunt humans in a jungle on another planet, but still very much like Earth's.
See a pattern? Hunt, hunt, hunt, hunt, hunt...
Now don't get me wrong, as a Predator fanatic, I could literally watch 500 "Predator hunts *insert group* in *insert area*."
But you can only tell so many stories like that.
People fear change and many of us are passionate about the franchise and would rather see as little of it change as possible. But to some, it'd get stale. "Oh look, another hunt *yawn*"
This movie is an opportunity to show us more about the Predators and their mindset. How does it react to being captured? How do WE react when we FINALLY catch one? Do we try to interrogate it? How does it respond to experiments? I've always wanted to see this happen. I loved "Predator: Captive" comic book, imagine it tricks us in the movie as well? Making us THINK we captured it but it was studying us just as much as we were studying it?
This is also why I loved the Rage War novels. It breaks the tropes of the franchise. It puts the Predators in a completely different scenario and not just "another hunt" but a dire situation that they had to overcome.
There's nothing wrong with them trying new things, guys. Yes, it could go wrong, but it could also go right. I think some may be overreacting to this news. Let's wait and see how it actually turns out and then make up our minds whether we like it or not. Otherwise you're all just stressing for nothing. What if you like it when you see it?
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 11:14:11 PM
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 14, 2017, 11:07:42 PM
I feel the same as you do, all over everybody is complaining non-stop. AVP and AVP:R aren't great and I understand the disappointment, Predator is my all-time favorite movie, Predator 2 was good to me, Predators was ok, I'm really thinking Shane and Fred are gonna knock this out of the park. Having an actual storyline and character build up can make this into a classic and I think that's what we're gonna get this time around
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Thanks. Predator is my favorite movie too, and as much as I love the original, I can't wait for something different to happen. This sounds like a story about the race to the kid, who'll get to the equipment first, and is exciting even without the Predator in it. Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
This is going to be a fun movie.
I was telling my wife the other day that I may fly from Michigan to New Jersey to go watch it opening night with my father in-law who's the biggest Predator fan I've ever met
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Ah a fellow jerseyian nice thought I was alone. :laugh:
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I feel the same as you do, all over everybody is complaining non-stop. AVP and AVP:R aren't great and I understand the disappointment, Predator is my all-time favorite movie, Predator 2 was good to me, Predators was ok, I'm really thinking Shane and Fred are gonna knock this out of the park. Having an actual storyline and character build up can make this into a classic and I think that's what we're gonna get this time around
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Thanks. Predator is my favorite movie too, and as much as I love the original, I can't wait for something different to happen. This sounds like a story about the race to the kid, who'll get to the equipment first, and is exciting even without the Predator in it. Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
This is going to be a fun movie.
I was telling my wife the other day that I may fly from Michigan to New Jersey to go watch it opening night with my father in-law who's the biggest Predator fan I've ever met
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Ah a fellow jerseyian nice thought I was alone. :laugh:
I grew up in Michigan, went to Coast Guard boot camp in NJ, met my wife here in Michigan, moved there for 2 years and got to watch all the Predator movies here and there with my father in-law, plus he has a room full of Predator small and large figures...I'm like a kid in Toys R Us when I'm in that room. But we moved back to MI...[emoji22]
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I want Dutch Harriman and Royce to all make cameos. Some people love Predators and some hate it but you can't say that Adrien Brody didn't do good in the role. The guy was so badass in the film and did great acting as Royce. A lot of dedication going into the movie as he gained 25 pounds of muscle mass. I love the movie and I would love to see Royce back in a cameo.
Harrigan*
Quote from: overthere on Feb 14, 2017, 11:36:33 PM
Have you ever read a report on the internet that was 100% correct? For christ's sake, they can't even get the "it's not a f**king reboot" part right, and you think they got the story down to a T?
If the story is something like this, I guarantee it makes total sense in the context of the actual movie.
I hope you're right, but it is concerning that they've seemingly struck out on every A lister they've approached. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's truly a timing issues, but it could also point to there being real issues with the script. I don't personally think an A lister is even necessary, but Black and Dekker have sure been trying for one. This thing starts filming in a couple of months, right? Or was it delayed? I remember thinking something odd had happened to the filming schedule. Nonetheless, I appreciate your optimism. You are correct that it's certainly something different if the leak is indeed true.
It starts shooting this month I believe.
On Feb 25th, Black said filming would begin in 15 days.
EDIT: 5TH, not 25th - thanks, Wolverine Predator
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I feel the same as you do, all over everybody is complaining non-stop. AVP and AVP:R aren't great and I understand the disappointment, Predator is my all-time favorite movie, Predator 2 was good to me, Predators was ok, I'm really thinking Shane and Fred are gonna knock this out of the park. Having an actual storyline and character build up can make this into a classic and I think that's what we're gonna get this time around
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Thanks. Predator is my favorite movie too, and as much as I love the original, I can't wait for something different to happen. This sounds like a story about the race to the kid, who'll get to the equipment first, and is exciting even without the Predator in it. Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
This is going to be a fun movie.
YES!
Most of the Predator movies were a hunt of some sort.
Hunt spec ops in a forest.
Hunt gangs and cops in a city.
Hunt Aliens and humans in Sub-Antarctica.
Hunt Aliens and humans in a suburb..
Hunt humans in a jungle on another planet, but still very much like Earth's.
See a pattern? Hunt, hunt, hunt, hunt, hunt...
Now don't get me wrong, as a Predator fanatic, I could literally watch 500 "Predator hunts *insert group* in *insert area*."
But you can only tell so many stories like that.
People fear change and many of us are passionate about the franchise and would rather see as little of it change as possible. But to some, it'd get stale. "Oh look, another hunt *yawn*"
This movie is an opportunity to show us more about the Predators and their mindset. How does it react to being captured? How do WE react when we FINALLY catch one? Do we try to interrogate it? How does it respond to experiments? I've always wanted to see this happen. I loved "Predator: Captive" comic book, imagine it tricks us in the movie as well? Making us THINK we captured it but it was studying us just as much as we were studying it?
This is also why I loved the Rage War novels. It breaks the tropes of the franchise. It puts the Predators in a completely different scenario and not just "another hunt" but a dire situation that they had to overcome.
There's nothing wrong with them trying new things, guys. Yes, it could go wrong, but it could also go right. I think some may be overreacting to this news. Let's wait and see how it actually turns out and then make up our minds whether we like it or not. Otherwise you're all just stressing for nothing. What if you like it when you see it?
You can't go right with a ten feet tall genetically enhanced and more advanced Predator, hunting or not.
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On Feb 25th, Black said filming would begin in 15 days.
He said 15 days on Super Bowl Sunday, so the 20th which is on Monday, did he change it again?
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On Feb 25th, Black said filming would begin in 15 days.
He said 15 days on Super Bowl Sunday, so the 20th which is on Monday, did he change it again?
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Wow I'm stupid, I said 25th but meant 5th. I'll delete that message so people don't get confused. His tweet is below:
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Oh ok, lol
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Looks like some of the cast are together for something or maybe getting ready to head out to Vancouver
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It is a good feeling knowing that they're getting ready to shoot. That little kid looks like a badass.
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Thanks. Predator is my favorite movie too, and as much as I love the original, I can't wait for something different to happen. This sounds like a story about the race to the kid, who'll get to the equipment first, and is exciting even without the Predator in it. Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
This is going to be a fun movie.
If the "Predator 2.0" is the result of humans trying to weaponize them, then I can get behind this. I love Predator: Concrete Jungle and its story, despite some of its flaws, and it would be like people in power tampering with things they don't understand. I mean we seen how Borgia Industries screwed around with the race and their tech, that was some cool story stuff right there, and I can agree with this course. A cleaner Pred comes in trying to erase any evidence of their existence, like Scarface, then a three way battle to the death while a race against time kind of deal, ok you got my attention.
It was the genetically engineered
by Preds part that really turned me off. As I said, they don't need to modify any other pred for a "special ops" unit.
They are the special ops unit. A regular hunter killed of an
elite squad of commandos, and an Elite that outranks the pred before had fought off a hive by himself. They are supremely badass.
Calling it now. Aaron Rodgers will be in this movie. He's the A lister they need. ;D
Quote from: Master on Feb 14, 2017, 11:17:16 PM
Maybe you don't, but I do and screw you with generalisation of fanbase. Many of us have clear vision of what they'd like to see and don't bite some half-assed ideas with yet another SP.
Agreed with this one hundred and ten percent. For once, Master.. we agree on something.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 15, 2017, 12:10:57 AM
There's nothing wrong with them trying new things, guys. Yes, it could go wrong, but it could also go right. I think some may be overreacting to this news. Let's wait and see how it actually turns out and then make up our minds whether we like it or not. Otherwise you're all just stressing for nothing. What if you like it when you see it?
I am all for new, but I feel like it has to gel with what came before. Say what you want about the AVP films, love'em or hate them but I loved the idea of the whole pyramid idea, I liked the idea of Predators being worshiped as gods by primitive man. Why do I like the films? Largely because they borrowed from the EU, things which we were told for twenty something years was by far and wide, true-- for me, the old EU was what fleshed out what at the time, two Predator films didn't, aside from establishing that these were hunters who followed a clan based society and had a twisted bizarre code of ethics.
Then PREDATORS had to happen, and... it introduced things which I felt subtracted what the creatures were known for. We have been told that they were trackers who had senses which were trained and used to track after prey, the dogs seemingly threw that out (except for when Nolan says that they could hear us and smell us, then WHY the need for the dogs unless they wanna cheat), and the whole idea of the preserve planet cheapened the idea of what the hunt was supposed to be. You know the episode of King of the Hill where Hank takes Bobby to a resort and has him hunt deer which were bred and born in that resort for the sake of a canned hunt where a kill was guaranteed? That's what the preserve planet is. To me, that's not what Predator is about, that's not what Predators do or are supposed to do. Where's the challenge? Wait, challenge is minimized.
The Super Predators? Okay, I get that these guys have their fans but let's not mince words here, they're pretty divisive amongst the fan base. It's not a secret or even a lie that Rodriguez and company had felt as if the original wasn't scary anymore, even going as far as to suggesting they were obsolete with the whole 8-Track and IPod comparisons. Saying that their Predators were the "REAL" Predators. Right. They were marketed to be bigger, badder, stronger, more brutal than the Predators we know-- the film didn't sell that, and if it did, it didn't sell that idea very well.
The whole bigger, badder, meaner thing isn't a gimmick which should draw fans in. You think something from PREDATORS would've been learned from that but... no. Nothing was seemingly learned. It's not so much that the idea of a gigantic Predator which sets me off, I'm all for gigantic Predators, as long as they are naturally that way-- it's the whole genetically modification thing which turns me off. Now unless this was a genetic freak which was created by humans, which is further expanded upon in the plot-- by all means, I can get behind that.
For me, Predators are all about hunting for the challenge of the sport, the thrill of the hunt. With the last film, it felt like it tried to undo that. The idea of a genetically modified Predator, kind of harkens that. That the thrill of the hunt is bull, when really.. all they care about is winning. And to me, that's just not Predator.
Now, I haven't said anything bad about this film.. My only concern is the treatment of the creature(s).
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 15, 2017, 02:20:39 AM
It was the genetically engineered by Preds part that really turned me off. As I said, they don't need to modify any other pred for a "special ops" unit. They are the special ops unit. A regular hunter killed of an elite squad of commandos, and an Elite that outranks the pred before had fought off a hive by himself. They are supremely badass.
THIIIIIIIIIIISS!!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 15, 2017, 03:46:32 AM
To me, that's not what Predator is about, that's not what Predators do or are supposed to do. Where's the challenge? Wait, challenge is minimized.
Predators are a race of various individuals, of different clans with different customs. I don't see why some clans can't have these genetically engineered warriors as an insurance against something.
For all we know, the Predators in the previous movies belonged to clans that did no such thing.
So I think saying "this is something Predators don't do" is kinda generalising them as a species.
They hunt, have rules, are savage, all out of choice rather than necessity. Why can't some clans choose to have "stronger" warriors?
In Rage War, they're described often as 9 feet tall, and that's the natural ones. For all we know, Jungle Hunter and City Hunter were probably short by Predator standards and their average could be 8 to 9 feet tall.
And this genetic augmented one being 10 feet tall is probably nothing new to them, I wouldn't be surprised if some natural ones reach 10 feet tall. This one likely was augmented to be stronger and faster, not taller.
If you dedicate your entire society on hunting dangerous game, and many of those happen to be advanced species. You'd think of having elite augmented warriors just in case, right? Predators may glorify dying in battle as individuals, but I don't think they glorify extinction. They're hunters in the end, they want to win and return home to status. They glorify death because they know someone among them will remember them as "that badass who killed 500 hard meat before going down."
If they go extinct, whose gonna appreciate the valiant battles?
This is why I understand it if they do have super soldiers. Think of him as their Captain America. He's not gonna have four arms or anything. I doubt he'd even look like a Super Predator but I don't know, that bit could go either way.
And like I said in previous posts. They probably sent this 2.0 to Earth because he was likely nearest at the time their tech got stolen.
Why waste precious time contacting and sending a random "Wolf" to go clean up the mess (and allowing these primitives to reverse engineer the tech you're so protective of in the first place) when you can just send the nearest badass to the planet, and he just so happens to be a 2.0? Likely a higher chance of success there as well. (Or so they'd think due to underestimating us.)
And even if that's not the case. Again, I can understand them choosing to send a 2.0 anyway. Clearly we've bested them in all the movies so far and in the comics and games (even Scarface got bested in the intro of CJ and had to clean up his screw up, look how deadly we turned out to be) and novels. If I was a Predator Elder and learned that something went wrong and tech got stolen by the oomans, I'd so send a pack of 2.0s just to be safe. XD
We're a dangerous and quite advanced species. I don't think they'd take chances with us by now if we got something of theirs to use against them.
I do understand your concerns and I wouldn't have minded if they did use a regular Predator. But I do understand this direction and I always wondered what a 10 foot tall Predator looked like. Because that's how I imagine Perry's Yautja females were, around that height range. If this happens in film, it'd certainly help me visualise their height.
Not going to lie. Sounds garbage.
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Plus we get another Predator who's captured, imagine the science done on him, cool new facts we'll learn about them, see the Predator react in captivity, etc.
You read the script? How do you know there is a another captured predator?
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Weren't the Predators in Concrete Jungle (the game) near enough 10 feet tall? They towered over people way more than the film ones seemed to.
With the full gear on, the actors playing the Predator were all close to 8 feet, adding another 2 feet wont make as big a difference than people might think. But of course all people can think of are Godzilla-Size Predators.
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Predators are a race of various individuals, of different clans with different customs. I don't see why some clans can't have these genetically engineered warriors as an insurance against something.
For all we know, the Predators in the previous movies belonged to clans that did no such thing.
So I think saying "this is something Predators don't do" is kinda generalising them as a species.
I completely agree with this. I've always hated the monoculture of the EU regarding Predator. Like this entire civilisation is just a bunch of Masai warriors with spaceships. It's so bland and lazy and ultimately quite stupid when you think about it.
It would be far more realistic to have a huge variety of cultures, styles, interests, agendas etc. throughout the Predator civilisation. Who is to say these hunter guys on Earth are not the equivalent of eccentric millionaires from rich top caste families? Why else spend a ridiculous amount of resources to travel across the universe just to cut heads of things for trophy cabinets.
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Woah!!
Now i see why their planet is 20 times the size of Earth... With something that big walking around... sheesh!! :P
I'm honestly fine with this. It just sounds like they're having a lot of fun with this movie. I'm all for crazy giant mutated Predator, as long as it looks cool and not ridiculous.
Hysteria generation
They are trying to downgrade the original predators from the first and second movies again by introducing another Super/Upgraded predator that is build to be so much stronger and menacing.They tried that and it didn't work - the so called "super" predators were pussies - one even died in a sword fight!? This film looks like it wants to carry the same mistakes..
Why can't they introduce a Rogue/Bad Blood predator going on a killing spree on Earth and an elite Veteran Predator send after him.This idea has so much potential to deliver the goods.The comic Predator:Bad Blood played on that idea and delivered in spades,how hard is to adopt that basic premise instead of tying to shit on the old school predators with a genetically enhanced one? It doesn't matter if humans experimented on it or the predator themselves - the idea sucks.
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They are trying to downgrade the original predators from the first and second movies again by introducing another Super/Upgraded predator that is build to be so much stronger and menacing.They tried that and it didn't work - the so called "super" predators were pussies - one even died in a sword fight!? This film looks like it wants to carry the same mistakes..
Why can't they introduce a Rogue/Bad Blood predator going on a killing spree on Earth and an elite Veteran Predator send after him.This idea has so much potential to deliver the goods.The comic Predator:Bad Blood played on that idea and delivered in spades,how hard is to adopt that basic premise instead of tying to shit on the old school predators with a genetically enhanced one? It doesn't matter if humans experimented on it or the predator themselves - the idea sucks.
I've never liked to see the E.U used for the movies but this could work as a movie.That way you don't need to downgrade the predators by creating something only a child could find badass, a giant pred.
The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.
He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.
Quote from: Master on Feb 15, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.
He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.
I think we will get a reasonable explanation for that, Shane Black is a guy who questions everything, he's the master of detective storys and i don't think he will cram it in there just for the "cool" factor without a reason.
They said we will find out what the Predators are doing here, their agendas, how did they come here etc. and i think we will get a conclusion to it all.
As i've said before, for people who just want "more of the same", namely Predator hunting/killing people for 90 minutes, this movie will not please them, i have a feeling they will really dig into the material.
And that, in my book, is a good thing.
We had this discussion before and I agree franchise needs new spin. I'm not sure though if this is a right direction.
Quote from: Master on Feb 15, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
We had this discussion before and I agree franchise needs new spin. I'm not sure though if this is a right direction.
There is a 50/50 chance of this being good or bad. But i gotta say, designs and stuff aren't
the most important aspect of a good movie. Pacing, storytelling, actors, dialogue, action, suspense, surprises, humour... those things made Predator great, the designs were great in (almost) all the movies, but the first one is the only one being really considered a good and classic movie, because it was well directed.
Even if i don't end up liking the new (yet unconfirmed) Predator, i think we will end up with an enjoyable movie that has more going for it.
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 15, 2017, 02:52:08 PMThe comic Predator:Bad Blood played on that idea and delivered in spades,how hard is to adopt that basic premise instead of tying to shit on the old school predators with a genetically enhanced one? It doesn't matter if humans experimented on it or the predator themselves - the idea sucks.
Who says they're trying to belittle anything previous? For all we know a regular Predator will end up killing this new one at the end of the film.
Did the Queen shit on the original Alien? No.
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Quote from: predator88 on Feb 15, 2017, 02:52:08 PMThe comic Predator:Bad Blood played on that idea and delivered in spades,how hard is to adopt that basic premise instead of tying to shit on the old school predators with a genetically enhanced one? It doesn't matter if humans experimented on it or the predator themselves - the idea sucks.
Who says they're trying to belittle anything previous? For all we know a regular Predator will end up killing this new one at the end of the film.
Did the Queen shit on the original Alien? No.
Yup, people always seem to fear that one thing is meant to be replaced by another. There is a way to add things without taking away anything and please both the classic fans and show us some new stuff. From the sound of the story, we will get it both and some totally new creatures as well.
People still don't get that Shane Black is the director not the writer, Dekker is the main writer.Dekker is a master at nothing but B horror movies.
Predator is a B-movie!
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 15, 2017, 04:48:00 PM
People still don't get that Shane Black is the director not the writer, Dekker is the main writer.Dekker is a master at nothing but B horror movies.
It will still have all the trails of a classic Shane Black movie, Dekker even confirmed that.
Shane is the director, Shane is in charge, he won't do the movie if it's half assed... they needed 3 years to complete the script, they took it very seriously and didn't rush it.
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Quote from: predator88 on Feb 15, 2017, 02:52:08 PMThe comic Predator:Bad Blood played on that idea and delivered in spades,how hard is to adopt that basic premise instead of tying to shit on the old school predators with a genetically enhanced one? It doesn't matter if humans experimented on it or the predator themselves - the idea sucks.
Who says they're trying to belittle anything previous? For all we know a regular Predator will end up killing this new one at the end of the film.
Did the Queen shit on the original Alien? No.
It's all in the execution.
Rodriguez told us constantly before the release of Ps that the Super Preds were bigger and better. As an idea it works but in the movie it failed badly in the execution. Three Preds taken out within the space of 30 minutes with Berserker doing 'most' of the killing.
On the flip side you don't want to see a Hulk-Predator going berserk smashing everything up and feel un-Predator like.
AvPR is a crap movie but they really got their Predator right. They told us Wolf was this veteran hunter with all his cool tech. They backed this up with his portrayal in the movie and then some. Wolf should have died many times throughout that movie but you kind of believed that he was still this over-the-top superior cleaner Pred.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 15, 2017, 04:48:00 PM
People still don't get that Shane Black is the director not the writer, Dekker is the main writer.Dekker is a master at nothing but B horror movies.
Black
IS the co-writer of the Predator script.
Black & Dekker have worked together in the past for great effect. (Monster Squad!)
Dekker wrote the first draft on his own (with input from Black, who was working on his "Nice Guys" film at the time)
and then Black and Dekker colaborated heavily on the latest drafts.
We're in good hands.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 15, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
Weren't the Predators in Concrete Jungle (the game) near enough 10 feet tall? They towered over people way more than the film ones seemed to.
Scarface was bulkier than the average pred, he was tall compared to the human enemies but we don't know how tall the average human in the game was. He was probally around 8 ft tall.
10 ft is too way too much, this size difference is as big as the height difference between a human and an average pred.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 15, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
Weren't the Predators in Concrete Jungle (the game) near enough 10 feet tall? They towered over people way more than the film ones seemed to.
I don't think any specified height was given but I do know that Scarface was pretty tall. In some instances if you put him next to a door in a level, he was taller than the door, but... I know in one level, I had him stand to a trailer truck and... he almost stood as tall as that. But I would say that might be an inconsistency with scaling real truck sizes or something. I dunno.
designs are not that important ???
pretty sure if the original predator was a pink blob , NONE of us would be sat having this conversation lol 😉
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 15, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
Weren't the Predators in Concrete Jungle (the game) near enough 10 feet tall? They towered over people way more than the film ones seemed to.
Basically, yeah. For example, if a Predator was 12 feet tall, humans would reach the waste area I think. Scarface wasn't 12 feet tall, but pretty close to those kinds of ranges as he did tower over the humans. He could easily be around 9 to 10 feet tall. Stone Heart, one of the bosses on the other hand...
10 feet tall isn't that much of a difference from an 8 foot tall Predator, it's well within their height range.
In Rage War, they are descrbed as 9 feet tall, one of the main Predators is 9 feet tall, some of the cadavars brought to a lab are 9 feet tall. It's not that far fetched for aliens who inhabit different planets and some which have lighter gravity that could allow such heights due to less pressure.
I think 10 feet tall isn't going to be as far fetched as a 20 feet tall Predator.
If you guys had to guess what the budget for this Predator sequel is going to be, what would you say? Since this is suppose to be the biggest Predator film yet in scale and considered to be an event film I would say at least 100 million.
I don't think it'll be that high. I'm going to guess $70 million.
I'm guessing between $80-$100 Million
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 15, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
Weren't the Predators in Concrete Jungle (the game) near enough 10 feet tall? They towered over people way more than the film ones seemed to.
Basically, yeah. For example, if a Predator was 12 feet tall, humans would reach the waste area I think. Scarface wasn't 12 feet tall, but pretty close to those kinds of ranges as he did tower over the humans. He could easily be around 9 to 10 feet tall. Stone Heart, one of the bosses on the other hand...
10 feet tall isn't that much of a difference from an 8 foot tall Predator, it's well within their height range.
In Rage War, they are descrbed as 9 feet tall, one of the main Predators is 9 feet tall, some of the cadavars brought to a lab are 9 feet tall. It's not that far fetched for aliens who inhabit different planets and some which have lighter gravity that could allow such heights due to less pressure.
I think 10 feet tall isn't going to be as far fetched as a 20 feet tall Predator.
But in this case we're talking about genetically modified predators,not another predator race. That is what makes this whole improved,bigger predator idea so bad.
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People still don't get that Shane Black is the director not the writer, Dekker is the main writer.Dekker is a master at nothing but B horror movies.
Black IS the co-writer of the Predator script.
Black & Dekker have worked together in the past for great effect. (Monster Squad!)
Dekker wrote the first draft on his own (with input from Black, who was working on his "Nice Guys" film at the time)
and then Black and Dekker colaborated heavily on the latest drafts.
We're in good hands.
Shane Black just slightly polished the script wich was written by Fred Dekker.
I wonder why there is no new AVP or Predator game in the works. It would be perfect timing now with Alien Covenant Predator 4 on the lookout. Tomorrow will be the 7th anniversary of AVP 2010. That was a fun game I still play it time and time again. I wish more people played it still.
The concept of Predator 2.0 sounds great but the name sounds weak why can't Twentieth Century Fox Entertainment just call is the Apex Predator. The Name Apex Predator sound right and it makes it sound like it is not only a breed apart from the Predator and Super Predator, but it makes it a step up on the ladder. Apex Predator Has no Natural Enemies, all are his Prey for he is the Ultimate Hunter!
Quote from: integer3 on Feb 16, 2017, 04:14:05 AM
The concept of Predator 2.0 sounds great but the name sounds weak why can't Twentieth Century Fox Entertainment just call is the Apex Predator. The Name Apex Predator sound right and it makes it sound like it is not only a breed apart from the Predator and Super Predator, but it makes it a step up on the ladder. Apex Predator Has no Natural Enemies, all are his Prey for he is the Ultimate Hunter!
I think "Predator 2.0" might be a placeholder. I doubt it'd actually be called that in the movie.
Like how the "Super Predators" aren't called that in the movie, they're called this outside to help us differentiate. "Oh yeah, those Super Preds in that one film," but in-universe, they could very easily just be the same as the Predators but just a different race. Like how we have Europeans, Asians, Africans and so on.
And the "Super Predators" are implied to be changing and modifying themselves, hence Berserker's drastic look. Maybe that's where the "super" comes from, not necessarily because they're actually better.
So who knows if this 2.0 will actually get an official in-universe name? Maybe a character might say "that's some kind of alpha" or something.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 16, 2017, 05:08:27 AM
So who knows if this 2.0 will actually get an official in-universe name? Maybe a character might say "that's some kind of alpha" or something.
Stone Heart was supposedly an Alpha male according to his backstory in Concrete Jungle and he was HUGE.
I wouldn't mind a Predator like that... just remove the genetic modification part and make him naturally that way, I'm good and down with that.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 16, 2017, 05:08:27 AMI think "Predator 2.0" might be a placeholder. I doubt it'd actually be called that in the movie.
Yeah, I
highly doubt that's literally going to be its in-universe name.
I don't really see why there's so much grievance with the new Predator being a genetically modified freak. There could be any number of interesting reasons why it came to be, from some rouge nutjob Predator(s) making it for the anarchist lulz to something that was made for a legit purpose but got out of hand. What if there was something out there so threatening to the Predators they created this thing to fight it? That in itself could be an interesting angle.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2017, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 16, 2017, 05:08:27 AMI think "Predator 2.0" might be a placeholder. I doubt it'd actually be called that in the movie.
Yeah, I highly doubt that's literally going to be its in-universe name.
I don't really see why there's so much grievance with the new Predator being a genetically modified freak. There could be any number of interesting reasons why it came to be, from some rouge nutjob Predator(s) making it for the anarchist lulz to something that was made for a legit purpose but got out of hand. What if there was something out there so threatening to the Predators they created this thing to fight it? That in itself could be an interesting angle.
That actually sounds interesting.
From the synopsis, we also get some "weird space hybrids", there is a possibility that the Predators experiment with the DNA of their prey making themselves bio-weapons/slaves of some sort. It would also fit their cocky character, playing god. Maybe one Predator was crazy enough modifying himself.
The question no one seems to ask is: Why does the ship crash? What went wrong? Black said "there is an Alien incident, and a mystery to be solved".
Man, i'm so looking forward to this stuff.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2017, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 16, 2017, 05:08:27 AMI think "Predator 2.0" might be a placeholder. I doubt it'd actually be called that in the movie.
Yeah, I highly doubt that's literally going to be its in-universe name.
I don't really see why there's so much grievance with the new Predator being a genetically modified freak. There could be any number of interesting reasons why it came to be, from some rouge nutjob Predator(s) making it for the anarchist lulz to something that was made for a legit purpose but got out of hand. What if there was something out there so threatening to the Predators they created this thing to fight it? That in itself could be an interesting angle.
That actually sounds interesting.
From the synopsis, we also get some "weird space hybrids", there is a possibility that the Predators experiment with the DNA of their prey making themselves bio-weapons/slaves of some sort. It would also fit their cocky character, playing god. Maybe one Predator was crazy enough modifying himself.
The question no one seems to ask is: Why does the ship crash? What went wrong? Black said "there is an Alien incident, and a mystery to be solved".
Man, i'm so looking forward to this stuff.
I'm with you on that. 8)
Sounds awful, but I'm still excited for it. Anything that Shane Black is involved with will be worth the wait. :)
Quote from: Dreadlock Holiday on Feb 16, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
Sounds awful, but I'm still excited for it. Anything that Shane Black is involved with will be worth the wait. :)
Black does not equal quality. even more worrying is that hack Dekker wrote the script. Nothing so far has remotely given me reason to be positive.
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 16, 2017, 03:44:56 PMBlack does not equal quality. even more worrying is that hack Dekker wrote the script.
That "hack" who wrote
The Monster Squad with Black? That film's awesome.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2017, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 16, 2017, 03:44:56 PMBlack does not equal quality. even more worrying is that hack Dekker wrote the script.
That "hack" who wrote The Monster Squad with Black? That film's awesome.
I haven't seen that movie since it came out I'm gonna have to check it out again
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Quote from: predator88 on Feb 16, 2017, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: Dreadlock Holiday on Feb 16, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
Sounds awful, but I'm still excited for it. Anything that Shane Black is involved with will be worth the wait. :)
Black does not equal quality. even more worrying is that hack Dekker wrote the script. Nothing so far has remotely given me reason to be positive.
Black actually pretty much does equal quality.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2017, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 16, 2017, 03:44:56 PMBlack does not equal quality. even more worrying is that hack Dekker wrote the script.
That "hack" who wrote The Monster Squad with Black? That film's awesome.
He has not seen the film, going by his comments, he's never seen anything Dekker and/or Black ever did.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2017, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 16, 2017, 03:44:56 PMBlack does not equal quality. even more worrying is that hack Dekker wrote the script.
That "hack" who wrote The Monster Squad with Black? That film's awesome.
Wich is a nice little B movie.Predator is in a different league.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 16, 2017, 04:06:54 PMWich is a nice little B movie.Predator is in a different league.
I never claimed it was as good as
Predator. Just citing it as ample evidence that Dekker isn't some talentless "hack".
For one monster squad there is one robocop 3...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 16, 2017, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2017, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 16, 2017, 03:44:56 PMBlack does not equal quality. even more worrying is that hack Dekker wrote the script.
That "hack" who wrote The Monster Squad with Black? That film's awesome.
He has not seen the film, going by his comments, he's never seen anything Dekker and/or Black ever did.
Or maybe I have and you're talking out of your ass
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 16, 2017, 11:04:18 AM
From the synopsis, we also get some "weird space hybrids", there is a possibility that the Predators experiment with the DNA of their prey making themselves bio-weapons/slaves of some sort.
Oh God, didn't they try that in the 1994 PREDATORS script? Right now, I'm getting flashbacks to that.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, The Nice Guys, Lethal Weapon, The Last Boy Scout, Monster Squad have good stories with some quotable dialogue and memorable characters. I'm sure that Shane Black will carry that on into The Predator.
As for Fred Dekker check out some his back catalogue, he might surprise you.
Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?
Didn't like the nice guys... get the hell out
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?
Iron Man 3 is the best Marvel movie. Great character study. Suit schmoot. And the nice guys was amazing.
Oh well.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?
I couldn't disagree more. And what is wrong with having a kid in the movie?
To each his own I suppose. So far Shane black, for me, is 3 for 3 at the mo.
Loved Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Loved Iron Man 3
Loved The Nice Guys.
I love his scripts. Smart and funny with good dialogue.
Ironman 3 is overrated in a way that it made so much money. It was feeding off of The Avengers energy and that's why it made so much at the box office. But as a movie it's just horrible but that's just my opinion. Let's hope Shane Black takes the movie seriously.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2017, 06:47:34 PM
Ironman 3 is overrated in a way that it made so much money. It was feeding off of The Avengers energy and that's why it made so much at the box office. But as a movie it's just horrible but that's just my opinion. Let's hope Shane Black takes the movie seriously.
Out of interest. Why do you think it is horrible as a movie ?
Because it was mostly Tony Stark out of his suit almost the entire time and other reasons. I like the 1st Ironman out of the 3.
So more suit would've made it better. Hmm.
QuoteLet's hope Shane Black takes the movie seriously.
I read that Black wanted IM3 to be darker and explore Stark's alcoholism but the studio insisted the tone stay lighter and explore his PTSD instead. Which is still dark for a film set in the Marvel universe. You're asking Black to take IM3, a family film, seriously all while Thor is bumbling around New Mexico in a hospital gown or something. Point is that the Marvel films don't take themselves too seriously but that doesn't mean their creators weren't serious about delivering the best film they could.
You like what you like. I love that it explored tony starks ptsd and was, although loud and Epic in ways, a more personal movie.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2017, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 16, 2017, 05:08:27 AMI think "Predator 2.0" might be a placeholder. I doubt it'd actually be called that in the movie.
Yeah, I highly doubt that's literally going to be its in-universe name.
I don't really see why there's so much grievance with the new Predator being a genetically modified freak. There could be any number of interesting reasons why it came to be, from some rouge nutjob Predator(s) making it for the anarchist lulz to something that was made for a legit purpose but got out of hand. What if there was something out there so threatening to the Predators they created this thing to fight it? That in itself could be an interesting angle.
Exactly, this is what I've been saying.
The Predators are clearly shown as a species that goes around hunting other races for fun. Just because they're badass hunter-warriors doesn't make them invincible.
If their prey figured out where they live, if their prey learned that there's other intelligent prey also being hunted and all of these aliens decide to unite? Then what? Baddassery and hunting rules only take you so far.
Like "AvP War" said - "in war, there are no rules." Their hunting rules will play no part during desperate situations. They're hunters at heart, and what do hunters seek to do? To
win.
So, they likely create these "super soldiers", hyper-warriors so they can be ready to combat threats that come at them. The reason Predators are so dangerous is due to the element of surprise. Remove that and they're a bit more easier to deal with, sometimes even predictable if they stick by their usual "rules".
Humans have clearly shown themselves to be a hardcore and very dangerous species with potential to reverse engineer and turn their tools against the hunters (ala Concrete Jungle), jut because Scarface was successful in retrieving his stuff, doesn't mean it will always happen. Look at his predecessors who failed and got captured? Heck, Stone freakin' Heart who is bigger and stronger than Scarface got captured. I counted the amount of captives, those three in the intro that you later rescue to fight alongside you and then the three bosses, that's six failures to one success, with "normal Predators".
I'm sure these "2.0" guys come into play when the Predators decide to stop messing around and get serious. If their stuff gets captured, they'd rather succeed. People who say "why not send another Cleaner like Wolf," well that turned out well last time. Wolf didn't return. :P
I understand that fans can be worried that new things could go wrong, but sometimes they could open up so many interesting possibilities like you said. Predators are advanced aliens, what stops them from making genetically modified ubermensch? Hell, what if it's not scientifically modified? What if it's selectively bred to be a warrior? Breeding the biggest males and females to make big and strong offspring to then be trained in arts of war?
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 16, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?
I couldn't disagree more. And what is wrong with having a kid in the movie?
It softens the tone of the movie, in Predator 2 the kid was just seen briefly but in The Predator he is a main character.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 16, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 16, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?
I couldn't disagree more. And what is wrong with having a kid in the movie?
It softens the tone of the movie, in Predator 2 the kid was just seen briefly but in The Predator he is a main character.
Perfection.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 16, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 16, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?
I couldn't disagree more. And what is wrong with having a kid in the movie?
It softens the tone of the movie, in Predator 2 the kid was just seen briefly but in The Predator he is a main character.
Aliens didn't feel soft to me but it might've been lesser of a movie compared to Alien in other peoples' points of view.
I can think of plenty of movies that have kids as main characters but the overall tone of the films is serious and dark. Room, Beasts of No Nation, Moonlight, Man on Fire, Running Scared, The Butterfly Effect, Southpaw, Homefront, The Equalizer, Logan, Safe, Leon the Professional, The Good Son, We Need to Talk About Kevin, The Babadook, The Monster, Sinister, the list definitely goes on.
Movieweb posted a article on Dutch cameao, says he will appear at the end of the movie to save the day. I wonder if that's true.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2017, 11:19:38 PM
Movieweb posted a article on Dutch cameao, says he will appear at the end of the movie to save the day. I wonder if that's true.
It's just a rumor they listed
No plot details have been reveled at the this time. But rumors persist that this latest installment in the Predator series will take place against a Suburban backdrop. We've also heard that it deals with the militarization of the Predator, and that the alien hunters will all be CG instead of practical men in suits. We've also heard that Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have a substantial role, and only appears in the very last few shots of the movie, as he arrives to save the day.
Yeah I figured that. But it could be true that the crew is trying to remain very silent on Arnold's cameo and if they are keep getting asked that in interviews to say that he might not be involved. That would be extremely cool to see Dutch again. I would love to see Danny Glover as Harrigan too, but Danny said awhile ago in a interview around the time Predators 2010 was going to be released in a few months that he did his part playing a character in the 2nd film and might not want to come back. I want to see Adrien Brody as Royce too lol. 3 awesome badasses. If you can't get Arnold or Glover in a cameo, I would love to see Adrien Brody as Royce in a small debriefing part or such. That would be so cool!!
I hope it ignores PredatorS completely
Predators was not everyone's cup of tee but I enjoyed it for what it was. A low budget intense popcorn movie featuring Predators that would kill you on sight and a captured Classic Pred joining other captured assasins in a distant planet for survival against the bad blood Preds. Yes it was a straight on remake. A lot of scenes were identical to the first film. I enjoy the film a lot for good popcorn fun.
Quote from: Master on Feb 15, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.
He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.
Pretty much this. Just put a bigger predator in the movie and don't bother with an explanation, as soon as the words "genetically modified" come in to it, it makes me just think of some Jurassic World studio exec shouting "bigger, badder better!"
Very early day's but I'm not digging the brief outline. Just keep it simple. I'd honestly rather a re-boot like what they did with 2012's Dredd. Simple Story, you could even make a Dredd/Raid style Predator movie based in a single building or area with the Predator picking off soldiers one by one as they advance then have the main "dutch" character save the day.
Simple.
Quote from: Xan21 on Feb 16, 2017, 11:56:20 PM
I hope it ignores PredatorS completely
Shane did say in someway... it was going to acknowledge it.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 17, 2017, 12:55:14 AM
Quote from: Master on Feb 15, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.
He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.
Pretty much this. Just put a bigger predator in the movie and don't bother with an explanation, as soon as the words "genetically modified" come in to it, it makes me just think of some Jurassic World studio exec shouting "bigger, badder better!"
Very early day's but I'm not digging the brief outline. Just keep it simple. I'd honestly rather a re-boot like what they did with 2012's Dredd. Simple Story, you could even make a Dredd/Raid style Predator movie based in a single building or area with the Predator picking off soldiers one by one as they advance then have the main "dutch" character save the day.
Simple.
That won't add anything new to the lore. It'd just repeat every Predator movie which is basically "hunt human/Alien in *insert location.*"
I'd rather they expand the lore. Show a bit more of the Predators, a scrap of their culture and rituals as they prepare for a hunt. How they respond to certain situations such as getting captured or retrieving technology. Show a bit of their inner workings without giving away too much.
Some of the most exciting comics, novels and games were the ones that broke the "Predator hunting in *insert random place*" and dealt with other issues.
Like Predator: Captive. A Predator got captured but it turned out that it wasn't as much of a "prisoner" as we thought it was. It was studying us as much as we were "trying" to study it and in the end, it got its revenge on us in the most destructive way possible. It used its cunning to trick humans.
Why not something like that? Tell a new story and show just how truly deadly they are, not just when they're hunters, but what about when they're hunted?
Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.
So I am excited for Shane Black's film as it offers something new to expand the Predator universe.
(I do like your idea of a Predator set in a Dredd style building. Not gonna lie, it does sound awesome. I never tire of the classic "Predator hunt" story. But I also love to see them add new things too.)
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 17, 2017, 03:10:53 AM
Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.
You bring up Concrete Jungle and how this film could potential ring similar vibes to it, while also defending the Predator 2.0 idea, and why Predators would send something like this for a retrieval mission. So let me explain why on my viewpoint, a Predator 2.0 seems... unnecessary.
Concrete Jungle showed us that a normal Predator, is absolutely more than capable, provided if they are skilled enough, tenacious enough, intelligent enough, and resourceful enough-- that when they are going up against an enemy who has their technology already, and prevails-- are formidable enough to succeed, reclaim their technology back and do away with the enemies who attempted to use their technology against them. Sure, the Dark Blade clan had sent three Predators (as far as we know-- one of them being an Alpha type) who had failed, and were converted to cyborgs under control of Borgia Industries but Scarface alone was dangerous and quite formidable enough to deal with such enemies without genetic enhancement, and according to the storyline, tools which only a youngster would be given to prove himself all over again.
In my mind, and keeping Scarface in mind, tells me that the idea of a Predator 2.0 is rather... redundant. Now, I know you're going to say "But what if they're used for war?" and all of that... see, as much as I dislike the new EU, one of the things I do like is how they develop their technology quickly to be better than the ones who either stole their technology, or figured out how it works. I like to believe that Predators know that they are formidable, that they are deadly without any further enhancements to themselves but if they come across an opponent who is ready for them, they'll up the ante by improving their gear, all while retaining their proud warrior mentality.
To me, that gels and fits perfectly into what I feel is the Predator mythos (PREDATORS excluded) and I would prefer to see a Predator who is either a decked out Cleaner type like Wolf, or someone similar to Scarface who has the better gear, the better armor-- almost military grade (which was also seen in Extinction) to take out enemies who have such advanced technology or retro-engineered PredTech. Think well, an Anti-Predator Predator.
What I'm saying is... there are ways to expand upon the Predators, without the whole Predator 2.0 thing which seems to have gotten mixed reactions from folks. It's not so much the idea of this new creature being bigger, because Stone Heart comes to mind, and I was cool with him but the idea of trying to make something already bad-ass and formidable, more so through genetic manipulation when there are other alternatives which can achieve the same effect and more, without potentially harming the character we all know and love.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 17, 2017, 02:38:12 AM
Quote from: Xan21 on Feb 16, 2017, 11:56:20 PM
I hope it ignores PredatorS completely
Shane did say in someway... it was going to acknowledge it.
Shane said Predators are happening in the future so I doubt they're going to be mentioned.
Quote from: overthere on Feb 17, 2017, 03:59:17 AM
Shane said Predators are happening in the future so I doubt they're going to be mentioned.
Maybe not the events but it could have elements to it... like... the dogs.. as much as I hate those things.
I would love to see a fight between one of the Pred Hounds and a Alien. That would be cool to see. I know Alien would most likely win but the Hounds in Predators were tuff to kill. The mini gun was firing and they kept running after Royce and the others. I thought the Hounds were a cool addition to expanding on the Predator franchise.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 17, 2017, 03:38:49 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 17, 2017, 03:10:53 AM
Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.
You bring up Concrete Jungle and how this film could potential ring similar vibes to it, while also defending the Predator 2.0 idea, and why Predators would send something like this for a retrieval mission. So let me explain why on my viewpoint, a Predator 2.0 seems... unnecessary.
Concrete Jungle showed us that a normal Predator, is absolutely more than capable, provided if they are skilled enough, tenacious enough, intelligent enough, and resourceful enough-- that when they are going up against an enemy who has their technology already, and prevails-- are formidable enough to succeed, reclaim their technology back and do away with the enemies who attempted to use their technology against them. Sure, the Dark Blade clan had sent three Predators (as far as we know-- one of them being an Alpha type) who had failed, and were converted to cyborgs under control of Borgia Industries but Scarface alone was dangerous and quite formidable enough to deal with such enemies without genetic enhancement, and according to the storyline, tools which only a youngster would be given to prove himself all over again.
In my mind, and keeping Scarface in mind, tells me that the idea of a Predator 2.0 is rather... redundant. Now, I know you're going to say "But what if they're used for war?" and all of that... see, as much as I dislike the new EU, one of the things I do like is how they develop their technology quickly to be better than the ones who either stole their technology, or figured out how it works. I like to believe that Predators know that they are formidable, that they are deadly without any further enhancements to themselves but if they come across an opponent who is ready for them, they'll up the ante by improving their gear, all while retaining their proud warrior mentality.
To me, that gels and fits perfectly into what I feel is the Predator mythos (PREDATORS excluded) and I would prefer to see a Predator who is either a decked out Cleaner type like Wolf, or someone similar to Scarface who has the better gear, the better armor-- almost military grade (which was also seen in Extinction) to take out enemies who have such advanced technology or retro-engineered PredTech. Think well, an Anti-Predator Predator.
What I'm saying is... there are ways to expand upon the Predators, without the whole Predator 2.0 thing which seems to have gotten mixed reactions from folks. It's not so much the idea of this new creature being bigger, because Stone Heart comes to mind, and I was cool with him but the idea of trying to make something already bad-ass and formidable, more so through genetic manipulation when there are other alternatives which can achieve the same effect and more, without potentially harming the character we all know and love.
Those are good points but then again, the new EU also states that Predator clans although similar, are also quite different.
For example, different clans have entirely different languages, not just dialects. This makes perfect sense.
I think that as a species, they're all obsessed with fighting and killing things, to me, it's kind of an instinctual and natural thing for them. Like being curious is a natural thing for a human, the desire to learn. For Predators, it's the desire to kill. They've evolved from a very predatory life form so I think their hunting culture is a way for them to take out this aggression on other species so as to maintain a somewhat "peaceful" existence amongst themselves without resorting to nuking each other into oblivion.
Notice how they've casually got wrist nukes? Imagine humans having that, terrorists would have a field day.
Anyway, my main point is, just because Predators have this hunting culture and these rules, doesn't mean they're a monoculture.
Super Predators are a prime example of this. This clan already has its own rules and customs, and even resorts to genetically tampering with itself to become "better" killers. They're a sentient race with disagreements, of course some will do things differently.
Just because 90% of the clans are a proud bunch who value their natural badassery, there will be those transhuman (transyautja?) clans who think they can become "better".
This is what I think you sometimes overlook, Rakai, to you it's "they're all like this, they all gotta act a certain way" and if some Predators don't, you tend to have a negative reaction to it.
Like the Super Preds and their different customs. I'm surprised you like the "Bad Blood" from the comic, as it pretty much behaves like them and I'm sure if it had access to genetic tampering tools, it'd change the heck out of itself for the lulz.
Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Killer Clan?
And I also don't get your hatred for the dogs either. In the new EU, some Predator clans are said to observe and be inspired by other races. A scientist in Rage War studied one of the clan's languages and noticed some Celtic sentence structure in the way they spoke. Clearly some members of this clan hunted Celts and picked up certain mannerisms which they brought with them and the clan adopted. They no doubt "borrowed" language mannerisms from other sapient prey as well.
So if they do this, why not hunting tactics as well? Didn't one of the NECA toys mention that Falconer was inspired by humans who used falcons to hunt? So he made the falcon drone in his hunts. Maybe some like Tracker either were inspired by human hunters or they independently tamed their own beasts that they saw had potential.
It doesn't cheapen anything about the race. It just goes to show that some clans couldn't care less about another clan's rules. Predators disagree on everything just like humans do. It's the consequence of being a sapient race of individuals. In fact, this diversity enriches the race and makes them scarier. What's this hunter gonna do compared to the last? Will dropping my weapon count as surrender or a challenge or will he not give a damn and just blast me to gibs?
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Those are good points but then again, the new EU also states that Predator clans although similar, are also quite different.
Guess this is gonna be a clash of different schools of thought here... The old EU showed that there were different Predator clans, but instead of telling us that they were different-- they showed us that they were different. However they were more similar to each other and the differences were very minimal. Of course, I am referring to the few instances when different clans were shown such as the Delta clan in Extinction. Also worth note, is that the old EU suggested that many Predator clans answered to a governing Council of Ancients, who more or less enforced the laws of the hunt which most Predator clans abided by.
I'm not sure if the new EU kept this concept but I doubt it that it did, and if it didn't... well, I don't know if the idea of NECA's Clan Leader idea of a Grand Elder is implemented or not. The only thing which I am telling you is what the old EU has informed it's readers for the past twenty something years before it was unfortunately dumped out for the new material.
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For example, different clans have entirely different languages, not just dialects. This makes perfect sense.
Yeah, which does make sense and is one of the few elements of the new EU which I can actually agree with.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 17, 2017, 04:56:11 AM
I think that as a species, they're all obsessed with fighting and killing things, to me, it's kind of an instinctual and natural thing for them. Like being curious is a natural thing for a human, the desire to learn. For Predators, it's the desire to kill. They've evolved from a very predatory life form so I think their hunting culture is a way for them to take out this aggression on other species so as to maintain a somewhat "peaceful" existence amongst themselves without resorting to nuking each other into oblivion.
We know that they are hunters and are a very proud warrior race. And we know that they hunt for the thrill of the sport, and also the challenge. However going by what the old EU had told us, they also hunted for a variety of reasons. The right to acquire better hunting gear and weapons. The right to breed. The right for hunting grounds. And also to climb a social ladder. This is likely something which has been ingrained into them while they were evolving on their homeworld, and they've revolved everything around the hunt. To them, it's something almost sacred. Do you dispute this or not?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 17, 2017, 04:56:11 AM
Anyway, my main point is, just because Predators have this hunting culture and these rules, doesn't mean they're a monoculture.
I never once did say that they were a monoculture, and I think it's here where you're getting lost in assuming that. Let me explain. I am not saying that they are following one culture, but from what the old EU tells about the governing Council of Ancients-- they answered to a single authority, who enforce certain traditions and rules, and most especially laws on how the hunt was conducted. I'm sure that many clans from different continents or territories on homeworld have their own cultures and customs, which is fine and dandy but what I am saying is that the Council of Ancients, at least in the old EU, governed over a majority of numerous clans. And even if we look at the Hish-qu'ten version of the Predators, this was similar with a Conclave where the ruling heads of many clans answered to a Supreme Elder who gave their final word on how the Hunt was to be conducted.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 17, 2017, 04:56:11 AM
Super Predators are a prime example of this. This clan already has its own rules and customs, and even resorts to genetically tampering with itself to become "better" killers. They're a sentient race with disagreements, of course some will do things differently.
Here is the thing about the Super Predators. We were told that these guys were supposed to be Outcast, that they were supposed to be genuinely psychotic, evil Predators who were sent onto the Preserve Planet as punishment. We were told this by Word of God from Mr. Robert Rodirguez and Nimrod Antal in a Hungarian magazine interview. We were never shown this in the film, we were never even given exposition through dialogue in the film. Nothing was shown or given as to how or why these guys were Outcasts. I think that if we were shown this, or explained this, they might have been seen more than just another "rival" clan. And as much as NECA's backstories aren't canon-- I like the idea that the traditional Yautja view the Super Predators as an entirely separate race and as heretics.
If there has to be rogue clans (and I know that there were many in the old EU but they were seldom seen) then explain why and show how they are rogue clans which are completely different from the ones we've seen in Predator, Predator 2, and AVP.
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Like the Super Preds and their different customs. I'm surprised you like the "Bad Blood" from the comic, as it pretty much behaves like them and I'm sure if it had access to genetic tampering tools, it'd change the heck out of itself for the lulz.
The Super Predators were made for the rule of cool because Rodriguez and Litvak felt as if the original concept wasn't scary anymore and obsolete. That's one half of the problem with the Super Predators that I have with them. The other half was that they were hyped and failed to meet the hype. The original Bad Blood concept was done great, without the gimmick which the Super Predators needed. It was a psychotic Predator. It was the Jeffrey Dahmer of Predators, quoting the narration boxes in the comic and it was executed greatly.
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Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Killer Clan?
I like them as a concept for a rogue clan. I think there are plenty of them out there, probably just as bad or worse. I accepted them more than the Super Predators, because in Three World War, as underwhelming as that storyline was-- the exposition of their backstory was given out, they were shown to be why they were considered an outcast and rogue clan, and why, according to Machiko-- many of the traditional clans, viewed them as heretics and aimed to drive this clan into extinction-- and seemingly came close to it, to where they were sent into hiding and made into a memory. The Killer Clan was one of the things I think Three World War did right, they explained how they were a rogue clan, and they showed how and why they were a rogue clan. They did both of those things, which made me accept them. They achieved what the Super Predators couldn't as a concept.
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And I also don't get your hatred for the dogs either. In the new EU, some Predator clans are said to observe and be inspired by other races. A scientist in Rage War studied one of the clan's languages and noticed some Celtic sentence structure in the way they spoke. Clearly some members of this clan hunted Celts and picked up certain mannerisms which they brought with them and the clan adopted. They no doubt "borrowed" language mannerisms from other sapient prey as well.
I didn't like the dogs because I prefer the Predators to be trackers on their own. They have keen senses which even Nolan had said that they could hear us and smell us. To me, having the dogs seems like it's cheating. Now I don't mind rogue clans doing this. Why? Because they're assholes. The Killer Clan used them to great effect because they didn't give a damn about the laws of the hunt, and this was a large reason why they were seen as heretics. The use of animals were seen as a no-no according to Three World War, based on the reactions of the traditional clan and the backstory Machiko gave out. I don't mind rogue clan's doing this and using animals if they wanna be assholes. But traditional clans? I don't see it.
You also keep on referring to the new EU and me the old... Well, then, I guess this might as well be one of Doug Walker's Old vs New segments!
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 17, 2017, 04:56:11 AM
So if they do this, why not hunting tactics as well? Didn't one of the NECA toys mention that Falconer was inspired by humans who used falcons to hunt? So he made the falcon drone in his hunts. Maybe some like Tracker either were inspired by human hunters or they independently tamed their own beasts that they saw had potential.
I don't consider NECA's backstories to be canon... While NECA does have some good ideas like the Super Predators separating from their cousin race because they viewed the laws of the hunt as something which should be tossed away-- I wouldn't consider it canon and I don't think it is.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 17, 2017, 04:56:11 AM
It doesn't cheapen anything about the race. It just goes to show that some clans couldn't care less about another clan's rules. Predators disagree on everything just like humans do. It's the consequence of being a sapient race of individuals. In fact, this diversity enriches the race and makes them scarier. What's this hunter gonna do compared to the last? Will dropping my weapon count as surrender or a challenge or will he not give a damn and just blast me to gibs?
Having different Predator cultures doesn't cheapen the race. On that, I agree but there seems to be a language barrier going on between you and me (not literally but...) which makes things difficult on what I'm trying to say to you. Here's what I'm trying to tell you on from what I've been told about the Predators from the films, and the EU which I surrounded myself with in the simplest way: Different clans, different cultures, different customs-- one ruling authority that enforces the rules. Those that don't follow are outcast clans. That's the simplest way which I can tell you. I mean if we look at Predator, Predator 2, AVP and AVP-R... seeing those Predators, do you think Diablo, Ghost, Scar, and Wolf were from the same clan? No, they weren't... but they operated in the hunt very similarly, and followed what seemed to be the rules of the hunt very similarly.
They were of different clans, different cultures and customs, but they clearly followed a set of rules closely-- if not rules than a set of guidelines (read this in Hector Barbossa's voice) more like it. And if you have to have a clan which completely deviates from this, show and explain that they are Rogues.
That's all I'm saying.
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Movieweb posted a article on Dutch cameao, says he will appear at the end of the movie to save the day. I wonder if that's true.
It's just a rumor they listed
No plot details have been reveled at the this time. But rumors persist that this latest installment in the Predator series will take place against a Suburban backdrop. We've also heard that it deals with the militarization of the Predator, and that the alien hunters will all be CG instead of practical men in suits. We've also heard that Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have a substantial role, and only appears in the very last few shots of the movie, as he arrives to save the day.
The preds will be CG? That shit for real? They go this way and this movie becomes even more tragic
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Movieweb posted a article on Dutch cameao, says he will appear at the end of the movie to save the day. I wonder if that's true.
It's just a rumor they listed
No plot details have been reveled at the this time. But rumors persist that this latest installment in the Predator series will take place against a Suburban backdrop. We've also heard that it deals with the militarization of the Predator, and that the alien hunters will all be CG instead of practical men in suits. We've also heard that Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have a substantial role, and only appears in the very last few shots of the movie, as he arrives to save the day.
The preds will be CG? That shit for real? They go this way and this movie becomes even more tragic
CG Preds? Until it's confirmed there's no need to press the panic button. If true then...
That all sounds made up
Guys... they hired a practical efx company to work on this movie for 6 months, casting actors for suit work... to do full on CGI Predators?
We don't have to wait and see, there are no if's and but's... thats some a-class made up bullshit right there, case closed.
If they use cgi it's gotta be for the 10 feet tall hybrid supah pred, but not for a normal predator.
It would be better than a guy walking with Stilts. :laugh:
Shane Black said he likes practical effects blended seamlessly with little CGI to enhance the Preds. But as someone said the 10 foot Pred might be all CGI as there is nobody 10 feet tall to play him lol. Unless they somehow do something to make it half practical? I don't know how they will pull off the new Pred. He might actually be all CGI. Unless they make a full 10 foot Pred like the ADI Queen Alien and Stan Winstons Queen were there is no one in the suit and a group operates it with controls. That would be pretty cool to see.
There are a number of ways of doing this practical, filming a guy in a suit in front of a green screen and then placing him into the scene later, scaled up.
Then there is the other... good old perspective/camera tricks and apple boxes, still pretty effective. We've got Larry Fong, the guy knows what he's doing.
So far the plot sounds like The new 10 foot Pred is not only going to try and capture the Predator technology that was exposed to the humans but to also get back the Pred that crashed on his ship in Cuba.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 17, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
There are a number of ways of doing this practical, filming a guy in a suit in front of a green screen and then placing him into the scene later, scaled up.
Then there is the other... good old perspective/camera tricks and apple boxes, still pretty effective. We've got Larry Fong, the guy knows what he's doing.
That was the plan for Ps. How did they fail so badly in making the Preds look much taller? Bad camera work? Classic looked like a small, fat Pred.
Classic was portrayed by Derek Mears who is 6 foot 5 in general. With the suit on he was probably 6 foot 8 or such.
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 17, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
There are a number of ways of doing this practical, filming a guy in a suit in front of a green screen and then placing him into the scene later, scaled up.
Then there is the other... good old perspective/camera tricks and apple boxes, still pretty effective. We've got Larry Fong, the guy knows what he's doing.
That was the plan for Ps. How did they fail so badly in making the Preds look much taller? Bad camera work? Classic looked like a small, fat Pred.
While i don't think the Predators in Ps looked small, i agree that they didn't look nearly as huge as they used to in the other movies. But those weren't played by huge people, the tallest was 6' 7" Brian Steele, but that guy is also
very muscular. We got taller and much slender people this time, dancer/parkour guys who are very athletic, much more like Kevin Peter Hall. The rest will be movie magic. With a bag full of money, you can pretty much put anything you want on the big screen, i don 't care how they do it personally as long as it looks good.
While i prefer the Predators practically, there are some marvellous CG characters, with mocap you can create pretty awesome stuff nowadays, i'm open to that. The new Turtles look better and more dynamic than they ever did with any suit, they are beautifully textured and rendered, just an example.
Predators don't always have to be giants. Remember the end scene in P2 were all of Preds come out to congratulate Harrigan, there were a couple that looked no more then 5 foot 8.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 17, 2017, 02:39:39 PM
So far the plot sounds like The new 10 foot Pred is not only going to try and capture the Predator technology that was exposed to the humans but to also get back the Pred that crashed on his ship in Cuba.
So there are 2 main predators ? And I bet the 10ft one will kill the regular one ala in Predators and done just as shitty
I'm only speculating but I don't think the crashed Pred will be another main Pred. I think he will just set up the story. But then how does he escape or what if he escapes? Then that means he will be centered in the movie. But the leaked synopsis was leading towards all the characters against the 10 foot Pred who is genetically enhanced and advanced.
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The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.
He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.
Pretty much this. Just put a bigger predator in the movie and don't bother with an explanation, as soon as the words "genetically modified" come in to it, it makes me just think of some Jurassic World studio exec shouting "bigger, badder better!"
Very early day's but I'm not digging the brief outline. Just keep it simple. I'd honestly rather a re-boot like what they did with 2012's Dredd. Simple Story, you could even make a Dredd/Raid style Predator movie based in a single building or area with the Predator picking off soldiers one by one as they advance then have the main "dutch" character save the day.
Simple.
That won't add anything new to the lore. It'd just repeat every Predator movie which is basically "hunt human/Alien in *insert location.*"
I'd rather they expand the lore. Show a bit more of the Predators, a scrap of their culture and rituals as they prepare for a hunt. How they respond to certain situations such as getting captured or retrieving technology. Show a bit of their inner workings without giving away too much.
Some of the most exciting comics, novels and games were the ones that broke the "Predator hunting in *insert random place*" and dealt with other issues.
Like Predator: Captive. A Predator got captured but it turned out that it wasn't as much of a "prisoner" as we thought it was. It was studying us as much as we were "trying" to study it and in the end, it got its revenge on us in the most destructive way possible. It used its cunning to trick humans.
Why not something like that? Tell a new story and show just how truly deadly they are, not just when they're hunters, but what about when they're hunted?
Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.
So I am excited for Shane Black's film as it offers something new to expand the Predator universe.
(I do like your idea of a Predator set in a Dredd style building. Not gonna lie, it does sound awesome. I never tire of the classic "Predator hunt" story. But I also love to see them add new things too.)
You can add subtle things to the lore like Predator 2. If one things certain about "lore" in Alien and Predator films, it's usually garbage, forced and shoved in your face because we are not supposed to know anything about the creatures.
Maybe the crashed Pred doesn't survive the crash but the new Pred still wants to take him back to the home world so the humans can't experiment on him.
Or maybe the predator that crashes gets captured and then experimented on and becomes this 10 ft tall piece of shit?
Lol that made me laugh predator88 that was funny the way you said that
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Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 17, 2017, 02:39:39 PM
So far the plot sounds like The new 10 foot Pred is not only going to try and capture the Predator technology that was exposed to the humans but to also get back the Pred that crashed on his ship in Cuba.
So there are 2 main predators ?
Speculation by some based on vague rumors but not concrete.
QuoteAnd I bet the 10ft one will kill the regular one ala in Predators and done just as shitty
If there actually is a 10 ft predator that makes the final draft, I doubt Dekker or Shane would not have the foresight to see what has and hasn't worked in the past. This isn't their first rodeo.
Why is everyone upset about 10 feet tall Predator? The original wasn't too far from it, it doesn't sound like that much of a difference in a single race.
I totally agree Overthere. The Preds we seen so far are 7-8 feet but who knows how else tall and different looking they can be in there home world. Great white sharks are 20 feet long but there are other Great Whites that are about 12-15 feet long. Humans can get as big as 7 plus feet tall but the average human is about 5 foot 10. But it sounds like they like the ideal of a huge predator but don't like the ideal of it being genetically enhanced. If it was a normal/ classic predator who was just naturally 10 feet tall is what some are bringing up. I'm still confused on how this Pred is genetically enhanced. Did he do it himself somehow? Did the Preds do it for him? Maybe they did it for him because they know the military is not going to make it easy on him in fact it will be a nightmare for him to get back to the home world alive and with the exposed technology and while also trying to not get captured in the process. We need to know an official official official synopsis because the leaked synopsis was a bit confusing.
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Months*
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Bam! Told you guys those rumors are BS.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Feb 17, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
Bam! Told you guys those rumors are BS.
Let's hope that the ten foot tall genetically modified Predator is BS too.. If not, then at least the genetic manipulation part should be. And the whole hybrids thing.
I actually kinda feel bad for film makers in the digital age. Not only do they have to worry about leaks but also fake leaks , misinformation, and quotes taken out of context.. Half the time the people following these franchises have already made up their minds about the movie before they've even seen a second of footage.
Honestly? I'm not that mad, if you could even say I'm mad at all. Concerned, yes but... I'm not mad. More like cautious and just keeping my distance.
Go back seven, eight years ago... with PREDATORS, ho ho ho boy... I was mad.
Would you guys want to see another Avp film but truly done right this time? In space with marines in on the action too. We had 2 Avp films, 1st one was enjoyable and the 2nd flat out was so horrible.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 17, 2017, 08:14:06 AM
Guess this is gonna be a clash of different schools of thought here... The old EU showed that there were different Predator clans, but instead of telling us that they were different-- they showed us that they were different. However they were more similar to each other and the differences were very minimal. Of course, I am referring to the few instances when different clans were shown such as the Delta clan in Extinction. Also worth note, is that the old EU suggested that many Predator clans answered to a governing Council of Ancients, who more or less enforced the laws of the hunt which most Predator clans abided by.
I'm not sure if the new EU kept this concept but I doubt it that it did, and if it didn't... well, I don't know if the idea of NECA's Clan Leader idea of a Grand Elder is implemented or not. The only thing which I am telling you is what the old EU has informed it's readers for the past twenty something years before it was unfortunately dumped out for the new material.
These new Predators are different on the individual scale as well. No two ships look the same for instance, all their tech is custom made and modified. So in a way, we're shown differences even with the new ones too as well as some universal similarities among them as a species. You could say the differences are minimal here too, despite for example, their ships all being different and if you steal one ship and learn how to use it, then steal another you'd have to start over - they're still recognisable as "Yautja ships" by humans.
Well, the new EU does seem to have some Elders who are so respected, like Elder Kalakta, that multiple clans answer to them. But despite this, even when Kalakta made peace with humans, there were still Predator attacks being reported which the narration then says that "just like us, they did not all follow one leader."
Kalakta is also said to be a thousand years old, he could very easily be an Ancient. He is incredibly skilled in combat and has great strength despite his age.
Despite all that, some clans still defied him and hunted humans, and those probably weren't Bad Bloods, just clans who thought "eh, who cares what he said?"
Kalakta rose to such levels of respect by being such a skilled warrior. He wasn't born into it, he fought and hunted his way into it. He was deeply respected by other Predators who were so eager to fight alongside him.
So there's still lots of the old EU in there.
QuoteWe know that they are hunters and are a very proud warrior race. And we know that they hunt for the thrill of the sport, and also the challenge. However going by what the old EU had told us, they also hunted for a variety of reasons. The right to acquire better hunting gear and weapons. The right to breed. The right for hunting grounds. And also to climb a social ladder. This is likely something which has been ingrained into them while they were evolving on their homeworld, and they've revolved everything around the hunt. To them, it's something almost sacred. Do you dispute this or not?
I don't, most of this is in the new EU anyway. You'd be surprised at how much of the old stuff is in Rage War alone. I think Lebbon may have done some research on Yautja besides just using the name because so much of their old habits do remain, but in my opinion, a bit more "refined."
Like, I was thinking last night about that caste I was reading on Xenopedia. The "Untouchables" which are invalid or disabled Yautja who are apparently treated horribly by their brethren.
To me, I thought it just made them predictable savages.
I liked what Lebbon did with a crippled female. She lost her legs in a hunt, so she was on some mechanised platform that allowed her to move around and had a cybernetic eye. It goes to show that despite them being the way they are, they're also a social and compassionate species among themselves.
They took this invalid, treated her wounds and put her to use elsewhere. She is a scientist instead. "You can't hunt, but you can research and build us better gear" makes so much more sense than "you are now useless and we'll leave you to starve."
QuoteI never once did say that they were a monoculture, and I think it's here where you're getting lost in assuming that. Let me explain. I am not saying that they are following one culture, but from what the old EU tells about the governing Council of Ancients-- they answered to a single authority, who enforce certain traditions and rules, and most especially laws on how the hunt was conducted. I'm sure that many clans from different continents or territories on homeworld have their own cultures and customs, which is fine and dandy but what I am saying is that the Council of Ancients, at least in the old EU, governed over a majority of numerous clans. And even if we look at the Hish-qu'ten version of the Predators, this was similar with a Conclave where the ruling heads of many clans answered to a Supreme Elder who gave their final word on how the Hunt was to be conducted.
But sometimes you seem to act like they are a monoculture. As soon as they deviate from the usual trope or cycle, more often than not, it doesn't click with your idea of what they are meant to be.
Like with "they answered to a single authority", no my friend, 'some' answered to a single authority. Just like with the Kalakta example above, many clans followed him but there were those who also chose their own paths. I think it's the same with the Council of Ancients, I assume the majority of the clans will answer to them but there will be the independent (and not Bad-Blood) clans who will follow their own rules and paths.
Later on in that paragraph, you do correct yourself with "the majority of clans", "many clans" following these leaders. That's exactly the same thing with what the new EU has shown us so far.
QuoteHere is the thing about the Super Predators. We were told that these guys were supposed to be Outcast, that they were supposed to be genuinely psychotic, evil Predators who were sent onto the Preserve Planet as punishment. We were told this by Word of God from Mr. Robert Rodirguez and Nimrod Antal in a Hungarian magazine interview. We were never shown this in the film, we were never even given exposition through dialogue in the film. Nothing was shown or given as to how or why these guys were Outcasts. I think that if we were shown this, or explained this, they might have been seen more than just another "rival" clan. And as much as NECA's backstories aren't canon-- I like the idea that the traditional Yautja view the Super Predators as an entirely separate race and as heretics.
If there has to be rogue clans (and I know that there were many in the old EU but they were seldom seen) then explain why and show how they are rogue clans which are completely different from the ones we've seen in Predator, Predator 2, and AVP.
Rodriguez and Antal may have said those things, but some things film makers say don't have to be taken at face value. What ultimately matters is what's shown on screen.
And what we've seen so far, Jungle Hunter and Super Predator clans seem to despise each other. Maybe they were banished here and then ambushed Jungle Hunter and stole his ship (hence how Berserker was able to blow it up as it took off), I think they used that same ship to kidnap our characters.
Assuming they didn't have their own ships, which they might have had due to the ending hinting at it and the sequel comic showing us other Super Predators. I have doubts they're "rogues", just a different clan who does things so differently that the Jungle Hunters can't stand.
The Hish-Qu-Ten clans were similar, their customs were so strict that entire clans would go to war with each other just because some of them disagreed on something sacred.
Who is to say Super Predators don't see the classic Predators as heretics? Or weaklings for refusing to "better" themselves when they can easily do so?
QuoteThe Super Predators were made for the rule of cool because Rodriguez and Litvak felt as if the original concept wasn't scary anymore and obsolete. That's one half of the problem with the Super Predators that I have with them. The other half was that they were hyped and failed to meet the hype. The original Bad Blood concept was done great, without the gimmick which the Super Predators needed. It was a psychotic Predator. It was the Jeffrey Dahmer of Predators, quoting the narration boxes in the comic and it was executed greatly.
I'd agree that the original Predators can't be outshined and will never be obsolete. I am not opposed to them adding new Predators like 2.0 or Supers as it adds diversity among them and shows a bit more of their culture, how some are more modified than others.
I think your issue is you take what Antal and Rodriguez said too seriously. If we ignore for a second that they're meant to be the "Ipods" of the Predators and actually see what was shown on screen, you'll see that they're really not that better.
Classic put up a good fight to Berserker, a dehydrated, starved and crucified Classic. I think Anytime from the first film might have even mopped the floor with Berserker's dreadlocks.
QuoteI like them as a concept for a rogue clan. I think there are plenty of them out there, probably just as bad or worse. I accepted them more than the Super Predators, because in Three World War, as underwhelming as that storyline was-- the exposition of their backstory was given out, they were shown to be why they were considered an outcast and rogue clan, and why, according to Machiko-- many of the traditional clans, viewed them as heretics and aimed to drive this clan into extinction-- and seemingly came close to it, to where they were sent into hiding and made into a memory. The Killer Clan was one of the things I think Three World War did right, they explained how they were a rogue clan, and they showed how and why they were a rogue clan. They did both of those things, which made me accept them. They achieved what the Super Predators couldn't as a concept.
I see. I would've liked to have seen some more explanations on the Super Predators as well. Because for all we know, they might not even be rogues. Just a bunch of space dicks making their own rules and being defiant reactionaries which pissed off the more traditional clans. But they don't seem to have taken things as far as the Killers did so as to vex all the other clans into zerg rushing them into extinction.
I mean, they do follow some rules among themselves. Falconer actually fought "honourably" and even waited for Hanzo to get up several times that he knocked him down before resuming the fight. I think it was Berserker and Tracker who were a bit more "lenient" on how they hunted. Tracker being the one to blast Nolan (I think it was him who did that) and Berserker shamelessly blasting at a fleeing Classic.
But this use of plasma casters doesn't make them rule breakers. Ahab gladly blasted a human who was clearly challenging him (while cloaked) and we are all familiar with Anytime's plasma spamming.
Different strokes for different blokes. They weren't being Killers or Poachers (what Delta clan was thought to have been in Extinction), just the equivalent of rich dudes taking lions to an island to hunt.
QuoteI didn't like the dogs because I prefer the Predators to be trackers on their own. They have keen senses which even Nolan had said that they could hear us and smell us. To me, having the dogs seems like it's cheating. Now I don't mind rogue clans doing this. Why? Because they're assholes. The Killer Clan used them to great effect because they didn't give a damn about the laws of the hunt, and this was a large reason why they were seen as heretics. The use of animals were seen as a no-no according to Three World War, based on the reactions of the traditional clan and the backstory Machiko gave out. I don't mind rogue clan's doing this and using animals if they wanna be assholes. But traditional clans? I don't see it.
You also keep on referring to the new EU and me the old... Well, then, I guess this might as well be one of Doug Walker's Old vs New segments!
Predators cheat often during hunts. They cloak, they use advanced weaponry against inferior prey, and some extremely advanced vision modes etc. I know they sometimes drop their stuff for a fair fight, but like I said, it doesn't change the fact that they cheated as well.
They're hunters. Hunters seek to bag the trophy. Like I've said before, Super Predators have their own rules and don't seem to mind using their hell hounds despite their own skills and abilities.
Sure, this'll irk the Jungle Hunters and any other very traditional Predators. But the Killers seem to have used their controlled Aliens to exterminate prey while the Super Predators are genuinely used theirs to flush out prey. The dogs didn't even attack anyone, they just rushed the humans and one was pinned I think but not mauled.
I think these dogs were more cannon fodder rather than "get 'im boy!", more of a "what's he capable of? Find out, boy!" XD
Because Tracker did recall the remaining dogs (or dog?) before they could continue anymore attacks. Then the Super Predators began their hunt.
Nothing really cheapens that, they were testing out the humans and their weaponry. I think it was more a preparation and to see how the prey performs under pressure. It sure made them alert and more wary and feel extra unsafe.
QuoteI don't consider NECA's backstories to be canon... While NECA does have some good ideas like the Super Predators separating from their cousin race because they viewed the laws of the hunt as something which should be tossed away-- I wouldn't consider it canon and I don't think it is.
Fair enough.
QuoteHaving different Predator cultures doesn't cheapen the race. On that, I agree but there seems to be a language barrier going on between you and me (not literally but...) which makes things difficult on what I'm trying to say to you. Here's what I'm trying to tell you on from what I've been told about the Predators from the films, and the EU which I surrounded myself with in the simplest way: Different clans, different cultures, different customs-- one ruling authority that enforces the rules. Those that don't follow are outcast clans. That's the simplest way which I can tell you. I mean if we look at Predator, Predator 2, AVP and AVP-R... seeing those Predators, do you think Diablo, Ghost, Scar, and Wolf were from the same clan? No, they weren't... but they operated in the hunt very similarly, and followed what seemed to be the rules of the hunt very similarly.
They were of different clans, different cultures and customs, but they clearly followed a set of rules closely-- if not rules than a set of guidelines (read this in Hector Barbossa's voice) more like it. And if you have to have a clan which completely deviates from this, show and explain that they are Rogues.
That's all I'm saying.
Similar thing with the new EU. You see in Fire and Stone, in Life and Death and even in the Rage War, the Predators operate in similar ways. They have a set of similar behaviours when it comes to hunting but they don't all answer to the same ruling authority. Which makes me think that a lot of their "ways" could be instinctual rather than cultural. (At least it's why I think Predaliens collect skulls and spines or skin and hang people and Predators upside down without actually doing anything with said trophies.)
The new EU states that Yautja are easily far older than humanity, many of their space habitats (and the pyramid in AvP2010) are older than modern hominids. If they've been hunting things and following similar rules for hundreds of thousands of years, it's probably bound to have become so deeply ingrained in their instincts.
And this is why I think some clans probably have 2.0 Predators, assuming none of this changes of course.
Like you said above regarding Rodriguez and Antal. Maybe what Black and Dekker are saying about 2.0 might not even happen on screen. For all we know, 2.0 might just show up as a huge elite alpha Predator to kick some ooman ass and take back gear without even a single hint of genetic modification.
We shall see how this all turns out.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Feb 17, 2017, 10:35:59 PM
Would you guys want to see another Avp film but truly done right this time? In space with marines in on the action too. We had 2 Avp films, 1st one was enjoyable and the 2nd flat out was so horrible.
Space would be good (doesn't mean it will be 'good', though). Don't care for marines, though. Would rather see a colony like in the original AVP comic, without marines.
the predator that machiko fought to win her 1st hunt......
he was pretty big if I remember ....... waaay bigger
Sounds like a bunch of half-rumoured details slapped together into a fake synopsis by someone on the internet. And I hope that's the case, because I can't say it sounds particularly good. :-\
Managed to archive this on here as traditionally done with the Covenant film leaks.
http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9040585/ (http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9040585/)
They look fairly legitimate as they correlate with earlier acclaimed leaks.
I'm cool with the Predator 2.0 / super Predator idea (if true), as long as we get a classic Predator to fight it and eventually defeat it, some redemption for the bad blood killing the classic in Predators, which was an unfair fight, as the classic was weak from being tied up and left to die.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Feb 21, 2017, 10:29:27 AM
I'm cool with the Predator 2.0 / super Predator idea (if true), as long as we get a classic Predator to fight it and eventually defeat it, some redemption for the bad blood killing the classic in Predators, which was an unfair fight, as the classic was weak from being tied up and left to die.
Don't hold your breath,that's not the case
why many fans always want to see same predator clone over again...
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Personally, I didn't like the Super Predators nor did I like Predators very much. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt though. I think that's fair.
The Super Predator's never materialized. It's equally as likely that Predator 2.0 will never materialize either.
I managed to verify that this intel sounds like it came from one of the earlier drafts that Shane Black wrote. I can't get a specific date on that unfortunately but it does seem that they were exploring this at one point or anything.
Personally, I'm not a massive fan of the specifics but I'm interested in the broadstrokes of the story. I like it isn't just a repeat of a hunt and they're going somewhere different with it. I'm not fussed on mailing Predator tech to his son, nor am I sold on the concept of the Predator 2.0 but I'm not willing to condemn it just yet. We don't know how much has changed over development.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 11, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
You must remember though. This is a masochistic fanbase that enjoys creating worry in their minds. Out of something that isn't there. Testing screenings for Covenant??? Oh no the movie is terrible! Multiple fx companies working on Covenant?? This isn't normal, oh no we're screwed!!!
All fanbases get like this, unfortunately. There's nothing exclusive about this kind of behavior.
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 11, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2017, 07:50:35 PM
Predators was also done on the quick and on the cheap. The Predator seems to be getting a lot of extra time, care and money. We'll see how Black pulls it off. I'm told that the script is actually great. Very Shane Black.
In regards to a rough timeline breakdown of pre production/filming/post production how would you expect The Predator to look compared to Predators?
In terms of how long they get to do everything?
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 11, 2017, 10:44:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
My problem with the Berserkers was that they're all offed relatively easily. If they'd have had one single Berserker who went through everything they all did - blown up and slashed up and then make it through a fight with Classic, they might have actually come across as badass.
I tend to think of the berserkers as just standard predators but of a different ethnicity to the ones we are used to. When viewing that film I don't interperste anything shown to indicate they are superior to to the standard.
I'm the same. I consider all the Predators from the different films to simply belong to another race of ethnicities. I know the original intent behind the Berserkers was that they'd be some sort of Super Predator but they're not. The Berserkers aren't
the Super Predators.
Like I said earlier, if they'd have just had the single Berserker instead of three, they may have come across as being actual badass like RR kept going on about. And if it weren't for that stupid line about them being like dogs and wolves, there'd have been no trace of that concept left in the film. I wish RR hadn't gone on about all that kind of thing.
Quote from: Keith on Feb 11, 2017, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 11, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
I don't understand what's so hard in finding the middle ground. Either sequels are "going back to the roots" giving us same old film, only worse and dumbed down (ep VII, Ps, JW) or "Innovative sequel/reboot" where the franchise is hardly recognisable anymore (Prometheus, Robocop, Total Recall ). I want normal sequel! The one that expands on earlier material, not trying to reinvent it. Too much?
Exactly, like Predator 2 did. All you got to do is take a traditional (Winston) Predator, give him some new toys, throw him in a different situation (past, present, or future), and let him kick ass. It so easy, yet they constantly f*ck it up.
And how long can you do that for? It gets boring. I love Predator because it's such a versatile series. I love they're actually trying to do something different with it. I just hope it's moved on from some of these leaked details.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 10:49:55 AMI managed to verify that this intel sounds like it came from one of the earlier drafts that Shane Black wrote.
Tad off topic, but has Black actually written a draft? I thought Dekker was writing, based on his treatment.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 14, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
Were fans asking for Black to consider certain ideas? I don't remember the fans being very specific about what they wanted from this movie?
TPTB should never listen to fans. SM said it best in the past when he said fans don't know what they want. We're such a varied crowd and we all see different things in these films that appeal to us. It's impossible to please all.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2017, 11:02:35 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 10:49:55 AMI managed to verify that this intel sounds like it came from one of the earlier drafts that Shane Black wrote.
Tad off topic, but has Black actually written a draft? I thought Dekker was writing, based on his treatment.
I had thought they were working on it together but I'm not recalling 100%. The early reports said it was that way around but I thought I'd read something to the contrary after that.
I certainly hope so!
The script has been described to me as being classic Shane Black so I'm expecting he had a bit more influence in it over time.
QuoteTPTB should never listen to fans. SM said it best in the past when he said fans don't know what they want. We're such a varied crowd and we all see different things in these films that appeal to us. It's impossible to please all
Agreed. I have managed to see a pattern when it comes to expectations for fans in an established series. They tend to compose their own vision of what the film should be and when it fails to correlate on that vision, they consider it bad. I notice that this is more frequent in the AvP fanbase, after all, we've taken a lot of abuse in terms of the content we have been getting for the past 15 years.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 10, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Personally, I didn't like the Super Predators nor did I like Predators very much. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt though. I think that's fair.
The Super Predator's never materialized. It's equally as likely that Predator 2.0 will never materialize either.
I managed to verify that this intel sounds like it came from one of the earlier drafts that Shane Black wrote. I can't get a specific date on that unfortunately but it does seem that they were exploring this at one point or anything.
Personally, I'm not a massive fan of the specifics but I'm interested in the broadstrokes of the story. I like it isn't just a repeat of a hunt and they're going somewhere different with it. I'm not fussed on mailing Predator tech to his son, nor am I sold on the concept of the Predator 2.0 but I'm not willing to condemn it just yet. We don't know how much has changed over development.
I've gotten over a lot of my initial fears of the story. I can only comment when I actually see some footage of the film. That's where I am right now.
*Fixed quotes. Hicks.
Quote from: System Apollo on Feb 21, 2017, 04:33:59 PM
QuoteTPTB should never listen to fans. SM said it best in the past when he said fans don't know what they want. We're such a varied crowd and we all see different things in these films that appeal to us. It's impossible to please all
Agreed. I have managed to see a pattern when it comes to expectations for fans in an established series. They tend to compose their own vision of what the film should be and when it fails to correlate on that vision, they consider it bad. I notice that this is more frequent in the AvP fanbase, after all, we've taken a lot of abuse in terms of the content we have been getting for the past 15 years.
This is SO true. So many fans have shown this kind of behaviour and it's not always AvP. You see it in the Godzilla fandom as well.
People make their own vision, have their own expectations and speculations and suddenly the film turns out to be its own thing, then the people with said speculations either like the new thing or are heavily disappointed that they didn't get their way.
I don't do this, I just hear a new movie's coming out, get excited that it's coming out, then go to cinema, watch it, see what's new and like it. XD
Many people are right when they say that expectations tend to lead to disappointments.
Another thing is that some fans are so passionate about the good old stuff that they'd have it be made over and over and over and over and over again without adding something new and refreshing.
I love Predator, I'm a huge fan of the franchise, but even I think "hunt *soldier/cop/gang/* in *insert location*" will get stale real fast.
I'm all for them breaking the cycle and showing us something new and refreshing. How do Predators deal under pressure? What happens when prey becomes predator? How do they respond to capture? What do they do when we take their tools? Interesting concepts.
Or we can just have another banal hunt like we've had for the last 3 films (5 if you count the AvPs)
Like Corporal Hicks said, just how many stories can you really tell with a cycle like that?
One of my friends keeps telling me how this franchise isn't all that big because it sticks to such a niche. There's even a thread on this forum discussing just how big the franchise is. Why? Because "*hunt* in *location*" that's why... Instead of something new and different like "hey, there's this film about an alien who comes to hunt on Earth but he gets captured and shit and then we hunt him and he turns the tables on us, it's real cool!"
We've already had a story about aliens hunting us, hell, Predator wasn't even the first film that had an alien hunter in it anyway, the only reason it succeeded was because it used that trope in such a unique way by having a manly alien kick the asses of manly soldiers. Now that we've had that, let the franchise be something new and intriguing while still retaining the classic Predator we all recognise and love.
We don't need a manly muscle bound testosterone film, this ain't the 80's anymore.
Seriously, if you guys want the same old, you've literally got 5 films to do it. Enjoy your marathons. Let them try something new. Don't like, don't watch. No one's forcing you.
Quite honestly, we should all be honored and overly grateful someone like Shane is even touching this material. Especially in a post-AvP:R world.
Mr. Billion Dollar Iron Man 3 could've just done Doc Savage and not deal with Predator Part 6. For the first time in franchise history, a guy who's a big deal and at the apex of his career is directing Predator.
You ain't ever had it so good.
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
Quote from: Master on Feb 21, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
I think he's referring to everything pos
t AvP-
Predators. Even though I'd say getting RR was a good idea at the time. It's just a shame the movie didn't work out.
Quote from: Master on Feb 21, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
John McTiernan didn't become John McTiernan until
after Predator, is the point.
Shane Black is making a Predator film after he became thee Shane Black.
No bullshit here.
As I said earlier, I'll believe when I see great movie. RR was also supposed to be thee saviour of the franchise. Didn't turn out so well.
What remains to be seen has nothing to do with where he's at in his career compared with the previous franchise directors.
On the contrary, it's the only thing that matters. I find shane much better screenwriter then director, I haven't seen the nice guys though.
Yeah, that's just personal taste.
Genetically enhanced? 10 feet tall?
Eh..My hype is now lowering. :-\
What if the predator system works as, if you kill one of them, they will send a bigger and stronger version after you,
or maybe if you kill one of them in an unfair way.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 21, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 21, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
John McTiernan didn't become John McTiernan until after Predator, is the point.
Shane Black is making a Predator film after he became thee Shane Black.
No bullshit here.
Shane was never praised for his directing skills, but he was praised for his writing skills.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 22, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 21, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 21, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
John McTiernan didn't become John McTiernan until after Predator, is the point.
Shane Black is making a Predator film after he became thee Shane Black.
No bullshit here.
Shane was never praised for his directing skills, but he was praised for his writing skills.
Shane directed smart, critically acclaimed movies that were also liked by the audiences, and that's what makes a good director.
Point is, McTiernan was never praised for anything up until Predator, in fact he made one movie before that neither did good financially or critically, so they took a risk.
Shane Black is a household name in Hollywood and a lot of people are excited by the fact he's doing the movie, if you look at social media, a lot of people that never cared for Predator will only watch this because it's a "Shane Black movie", so yeah, at this point this is in fact the very first prominent director this franchise ever had, and to top that, at his peak as well.
Shane could do a bunch of other movies, he's only doing this because he's passionate about this franchise.
Will it be a good movie? We'll see, there is no guarantee for anything, but we have every reason to believe this will be a cool movie experience, they even go for IMAX this time.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 22, 2017, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 22, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 21, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 21, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
John McTiernan didn't become John McTiernan until after Predator, is the point.
Shane Black is making a Predator film after he became thee Shane Black.
No bullshit here.
Shane was never praised for his directing skills, but he was praised for his writing skills.
Shane directed smart, critically acclaimed movies that were also liked by the audiences, and that's what makes a good director.
Point is, McTiernan was never praised for anything up until Predator, in fact he made one movie before that neither did good financially or critically, so they took a risk.
Shane Black is a household name in Hollywood and a lot of people are excited by the fact he's doing the movie, if you look at social media, a lot of people that never cared for Predator will only watch this because it's a "Shane Black movie", so yeah, at this point this is in fact the very first prominent director this franchise ever had, and to top that, at his peak as well.
Shane could do a bunch of other movies, he's only doing this because he's passionate about this franchise.
Will it be a good movie? We'll see, there is no guarantee for anything, but we have every reason to believe this will be a cool movie experience, they even go for IMAX this time.
After he posted the first cast photo his Twitter account followers went from 5-6,000 to 15,000 plus in just 2 days....there's definitely a good buzz about him making this movie good
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Very well said, Johnny, I completely agree with you.
And damn I didn't even notice the jump in his twitter followers. Pretty awesome! I'm excited for what he shows us next.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 22, 2017, 04:01:14 AM
Genetically enhanced? 10 feet tall?
Eh..My hype is now lowering. :-\
There is chance that will not appear in the final movie.
The super predators were turned into berserkers in Predators.
So lets hope.
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 22, 2017, 03:54:29 PM
Very well said, Johnny, I completely agree with you.
And damn I didn't even notice the jump in his twitter followers. Pretty awesome! I'm excited for what he shows us next.
He's even got his check mark now lol
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 22, 2017, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 22, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 21, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 21, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
John McTiernan didn't become John McTiernan until after Predator, is the point.
Shane Black is making a Predator film after he became thee Shane Black.
No bullshit here.
Shane was never praised for his directing skills, but he was praised for his writing skills.
Shane directed smart, critically acclaimed movies that were also liked by the audiences, and that's what makes a good director.
Point is, McTiernan was never praised for anything up until Predator, in fact he made one movie before that neither did good financially or critically, so they took a risk.
Shane Black is a household name in Hollywood and a lot of people are excited by the fact he's doing the movie, if you look at social media, a lot of people that never cared for Predator will only watch this because it's a "Shane Black movie", so yeah, at this point this is in fact the very first prominent director this franchise ever had, and to top that, at his peak as well.
Shane could do a bunch of other movies, he's only doing this because he's passionate about this franchise.
Will it be a good movie? We'll see, there is no guarantee for anything, but we have every reason to believe this will be a cool movie experience, they even go for IMAX this time.
All I can see everywhere is legitimate negativity toward the news,it's a fact, deal with it Johnny Boy.
So let's check the filmography of Shane as a directror.
Iron Man 3, hated by the fans to these days.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang which was a flop and a so so movie.
The Nice Guys, a movie with potencial ruined by a kid.Also it was a commercial failure.
:oSoooo impressed by his directing skills.
Iron Man 3 was a critical and commercial success.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang? Critical success. Wasn't a commercial success, but neither was the movie you worship, Predator 2. And that wasn't even a critical success.
The Nice Guys? Critical success. Wasn't a commercial success, but neither was the movie you worship, Predator 2. And that wasn't even a critical success.
The Predator will be Shane's second directorial movie that'll be based on preexisting material, I have a feeling that in addition to it being a critical success, it'll be a commercial one too. Obviously, obviously, obviously not at the level of Iron Man 3, but a commercial success in its own right.
Predator fans ain't ever had it so good and most of them don't even realize it. Just like Alien fans ain't ever had it so good with Ridley back, even though many, myself included, were underwhelmed by the trailer.
Can't take this for granted. These are the halcyon days, as opposed to 1992-2007 when: (Dillon's voice) "The apocalypse is upON us!"
Predator 2 wasn't a flop.
It only just made it's budget back. Both Predator and Predators were much more successful in box office returns. More in line with what studios would prefer.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 22, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Iron Man 3 was a critical and commercial success.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang? Critical success. Wasn't a commercial success, but neither was the movie you worship, Predator 2. And that wasn't even a critical success.
The Nice Guys? Critical success. Wasn't a commercial success, but neither was the movie you worship, Predator 2. And that wasn't even a critical success.
The Predator will be Shane's second directorial movie that'll be based on preexisting material, I have a feeling that in addition to it being a critical success, it'll be a commercial one too. Obviously, obviously, obviously not at the level of Iron Man 3, but a commercial success in its own right.
Predator fans ain't ever had it so good and most of them don't even realize it. Just like Alien fans ain't ever had it so good with Ridley back, even though many, myself included, were underwhelmed by the trailer.
Can't take this for granted. These are the halcyon days, as opposed to 1992-2007 when: (Dillon's voice) "The apocalypse is upON us!"
100% spot on, the lot of it.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 22, 2017, 09:53:50 PM
Predator 2 wasn't a flop.
That must've been why they didn't make another one for 20 years, and in the interim had to piggyback off of Alien.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 22, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 22, 2017, 09:53:50 PM
Predator 2 wasn't a flop.
That must've been why they didn't make another one for 20 years, and in the interim had to piggyback off of Alien.
Predator is a special franchise. Studios make tons of movies that don't even break even, but they make them because they believe in the product. In my opinion, they probably thought the franchise was too important not to take anymore chances with. Jurassic Park 3 was a commercial success, but it still took 15 years to make a sequel to that. It's not always about the money. Sometimes it's about the quality and integrity of the franchise. If it was all about the money, we'd be on Jurassic Park 8 or 9 by now. Ah hell, then Disney completely ruins what I'm saying with a new Star Wars movie every year. Damn Disney. Let me rephrase that: For some studios it's all about the money.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 22, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 22, 2017, 09:53:50 PM
Predator 2 wasn't a flop.
That must've been why they didn't make another one for 20 years, and in the interim had to piggyback off of Alien.
It was up against Dances With Wolves and Home Alone. If it had Arnold in it, it would have made more money, but everyone knows that.
Fox dumped it at the worst possible time against stiff competition. Maybe an October release would've been better, but at the time the film wasn't very liked.
I didn't even know they made another until my mom rented it and me and my brother watched it. I liked it a lot. The Jamaican scene scared the crap out of me. lol
Predator 2 flopped and that is that. Release date had nothing to do with it and even if it did, oh well. Scream was a *Christmas* release! That movie conquered.
Some of my favorite films were flops. Oh well though, you know? Facts are facts are facts.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 06:06:07 AM
Predator 2 flopped and that is that. Release date had nothing to do with it and even if it did, oh well. Scream was a *Christmas* release! That movie conquered.
Some of my favorite films were flops. Oh well though, you know? Facts are facts are facts.
The release date had a lot to do with it. Why put a movie like that against
Dances with Wolves and
Home Alone?
Scream actually bombed when it first released. It was the word of mouth that saved that movie. I know because I was working at movie theater at the time. We actually got rid of it and then it came back a couple weeks later.
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Quote from: Master on Feb 21, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Bullshit. John McTiernan was The Michel Bay of 80' and had Arnie, Jessie and Apollo effin Creeed in his team just to name a few.
John McTiernan didn't become John McTiernan until after Predator, is the point.
Shane Black is making a Predator film after he became thee Shane Black.
No bullshit here.
Shane was never praised for his directing skills, but he was praised for his writing skills.
Shane directed smart, critically acclaimed movies that were also liked by the audiences, and that's what makes a good director.
Point is, McTiernan was never praised for anything up until Predator, in fact he made one movie before that neither did good financially or critically, so they took a risk.
Shane Black is a household name in Hollywood and a lot of people are excited by the fact he's doing the movie, if you look at social media, a lot of people that never cared for Predator will only watch this because it's a "Shane Black movie", so yeah, at this point this is in fact the very first prominent director this franchise ever had, and to top that, at his peak as well.
Shane could do a bunch of other movies, he's only doing this because he's passionate about this franchise.
Will it be a good movie? We'll see, there is no guarantee for anything, but we have every reason to believe this will be a cool movie experience, they even go for IMAX this time.
All I can see everywhere is legitimate negativity toward the news,it's a fact, deal with it Johnny Boy.
So let's check the filmography of Shane as a directror.
Iron Man 3, hated by the fans to these days.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang which was a flop and a so so movie.
The Nice Guys, a movie with potencial ruined by a kid.Also it was a commercial failure.
:oSoooo impressed by his directing skills.
Iron Man 3 hated by fans? A solid 7,2 on IMDB, the best f**king plot twist ever made, liked by most critics, made over a billion.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, praised by critics, a solid 7,6 on IMDB.
The Nice Guys, a solid 7,4 on IMDB, liked by critics. I loved the wise-ass kid in it, but that's my opinion.
Predator 2 didn't flop? Dude, i
love the movie, but it did flop, hence no movie for 20 years.
Man, in what kind of alternate reality you live in? We're talking about the same movies? I'm not saying he's f**king Christopher Nolan, but it is a fact that his movies are well received and universally liked/loved my most people, there is really nothing to argue there.
No one is expecting you to like anything and it's OK to be cautious... take 10 people on this board, at least 8 will have very different expectations of what this movie should be, what any movie should be, really... and like anybody else, i just care for what i like.
Having said that, now would be the time to at least stop making yourself look like a opinionated person with no knowledge whatsoever about anything you talk about, 'cause you come across as desperate now :-[
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 06:06:07 AM
Predator 2 flopped and that is that. Release date had nothing to do with it and even if it did, oh well. Scream was a *Christmas* release! That movie conquered.
Some of my favorite films were flops. Oh well though, you know? Facts are facts are facts.
It's a shame that the general consensus is a movie sucks if it bombs at the box office though.
I'm a sucker for flops too. For example Dracula Untold sucked but it's one of my favourite films :P
Predator 2 is f**kin great aswell, but just like anything else I enjoy, it sucked according to everyone else and hurt the franchise because it couldn't pull the numbers
Hollywood cares about money, they always have, they always will, it's a business. There are horrendous movies that make a shitload of cash, and they get sequels.
Unfortunately, Predator 2 wasn't well received and didn't make money, and that was the final nail in the coffin. I still love it, money does not equal quality. But you gotta understand the producers, you just burned a shitload of cash, you don't repeat.
This! I wouldn't put it better my self. Still, here we are nearly thirty years later talking about it. Flop or not, P2 is cult classic ;)
Quote from: Kerrod33 on Feb 23, 2017, 07:54:00 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 06:06:07 AM
Predator 2 flopped and that is that. Release date had nothing to do with it and even if it did, oh well. Scream was a *Christmas* release! That movie conquered.
Some of my favorite films were flops. Oh well though, you know? Facts are facts are facts.
It's a shame that the general consensus is a movie sucks if it bombs at the box office though.
I'm a sucker for flops too. For example Dracula Untold sucked but it's one of my favourite films :P
Predator 2 is f**kin great aswell, but just like anything else I enjoy, it sucked according to everyone else and hurt the franchise because it couldn't pull the numbers
No one is saying a movie's bad because it flops.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 23, 2017, 06:23:24 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 06:06:07 AM
Predator 2 flopped and that is that. Release date had nothing to do with it and even if it did, oh well. Scream was a *Christmas* release! That movie conquered.
Some of my favorite films were flops. Oh well though, you know? Facts are facts are facts.
The release date had a lot to do with it. Why put a movie like that against Dances with Wolves and Home Alone? Scream actually bombed when it first released. It was the word of mouth that saved that movie. I know because I was working at movie theater at the time. We actually got rid of it and then it came back a couple weeks later.
It bombed. Enough with the release date! Lol. I know it had something to do with it. I don't care. The movie also got bad reviews.
Yeah, it bombed that was never in dispute from my end. I was just commenting on how the release affected it.
Predator 2 Budget, $35 million. Box office, $57.12 million.
Facts are facts.Not a flop.
Big ol' flop.
Add advertising campaign and you are nearly even. P2 wasn't commercial success.
I always thought the P2 reviews were harsh. I think it is a sound movie. It adds plenty to the 'Predator Lore'.
I used to always get Empire Magazine a while back and they re reviewed Predator 2 and gave it 4 stars. The reviewer said he felt it was badly recieved when released because Arnie did not return.
I found it an interesting read.
Had nothing to do with Arnold not returning.
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 23, 2017, 08:43:23 PM
I always thought the P2 reviews were harsh. I think it is a sound movie. It adds plenty to the 'Predator Lore'.
I used to always get Empire Magazine a while back and they re reviewed Predator 2 and gave it 4 stars. The reviewer said he felt it was badly recieved when released because Arnie did not return.
I found it an interesting read.
Exactly!!!
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
Had nothing to do with Arnold not returning.
Do you know what though. When ever I speak with someone who dislikes the second movie, 9 times out of 10, all they can say is ' it didn't have Arnie in it '. Lol
Yeah it's a problem but one of the lesser ones. They didn't even replace Arnold with a box office equal, they replaced with a second fiddle. Danny is a fine actor though.
If Fox was serious they wouldn't have hired Hopkins, and they would've gotten Bruce or Mel for Harrigan.
And oh. Most of all. They wouldn't have used that script!
I really like glover in it. It's different. You have an average Joe up against the predator. I liked that. He got lucky all the way through the movie. Script has some weaknesses.
I am a big fan o the movie though.
Hopkins was off the back of a successful, low-budget horror film.
McTiernan wasn't a name when he did Predator either. They used to give these movies to people who showed talent but didn't have big names.
Predator 2 is a worthy sequel. It added a lot of interesting thing to the predator mythology showing us the interior of their ship, some new toys,what they eat on Earth... The cast was nowhere near as strong as in the original but still quite solid. So far P2 is is the only worthy sequel.
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 24, 2017, 05:51:10 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
Had nothing to do with Arnold not returning.
Same here, if you think about it the Predator had more on screen time as well.
Do you know what though. When ever I speak with someone who dislikes the second movie, 9 times out of 10, all they can say is ' it didn't have Arnie in it '. Lol