I originally didn't like the crusher, but i haven't really seen it in action, or heard their view on it, so i don't really know.
Now the spitter is looking pretty cool, and i had an idea for it's origins.
WHAT IF, the spitter is a dog-Praetorian? namely, a dog-alien who has matured to praetorian state? wouldn't that make sense since Dog-aliens have often been depicted as being able to spit acid blood?
if you have other comments on the being, shoot!
I think it's very very silly and very Kenner-esque...
but it's definitely a cool idea for multiplayer and to get a more diverse gameplay experience in the single player campaign as well.
The green sacs at the side have that color to make it easier to spot for marine players... it's there to balance the multiplayer gameplay. I dont mind them that much. Do hope they are fully black in single player, though.
I like that idea, but aside from the ability to spit it doesn't realy share any other characteristics whith a dog alien, or runner alien. And I understand why people think its a silly idea, they are the perfect organism ,so why wouldnt they adapt to have the ability of long range attacks?
One problem I have with it is that the classic Aliens can already spit acid as evidenced by A3 and A:R but that instead of giving them that ability, they created a whole class dedicated to it. Some would say it's important to have more than one class of Aliens, but a lot of Alien/AVP games/comics seem unable to introduce new varieties of Aliens without undermining the classic one.
As for the sacs, design-wise they're a bit goofy, but I do like how they may hinder it's ability to sneak around, potentially making it a little challenging to use during gameplay.
So, it's an alright adition. But I wouldn't have minded the classic Aliens also being able to spit acid, albeit a weaker one, with the spitter's being more much powerful, instead of making the former unable to do it at all without a valid explanation unrelated to gameplay mechanics.
^ it's the Dogalien that has the ability to spit acid, not the drone (if that is what you meant)
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 20, 2012, 05:31:30 PM
^ it's the Dogalien that has the ability to spit acid, not the drone (if that is what you meant)
Without taking A:R into account, there was nothing in A3 confirming that only the Dog Alien could spit acid. Why should it? What is there about canine DNA that could allow an Alien to spit acid as opposed to human DNA?
But A:R did confirm that human-born Aliens can spit acid too. So my point about the Spitter still stands. Spitting a stronger acid, that'd I'd be fine with. Making them the only ones able to spit? That'd be like nature giving only Asians the ability to sexually reproduce even though all the other ethnicities also have the required genitalia to do so.
I hope a fully charged shot is enough to melt a marine's face off.
I don't take the whole heirarchy for real unless they actually explorer the concept in the game. I think the whole Queen hierarchy Bee thing was just a quick glance from Hudson with no real evidence of such.
1. unless we actually see the soldiers building the hive, then the Queen should relate to a whole other species who also have Queens and hives.
I mean is it a bee insect system hierarchy or the army monarchy system (of a chess bOARD) given all them names.
Praetorian, soldier, queen, spitter, lurker, WTF?
As has been said, since Aliens can spit acid anyway, it's pointless to have one solely for spitting acid.
Despite a dumb design, it should do nicely to provide some variety same as every other video game Alien variation.
I love it in terms of gameplay mechanics, primarily the balancing factor. Xenomorphs now can attack from range, but the ones that can look less stealthy. However I think adding Spitters to a movie or comic is overkill due to the already said reason of acid spitting being nothing new. Plus, their appearance would probably look ridiculous in that environment and needlessly complicate the species as a whole.
QuoteWithout taking A:R into account, there was nothing in A3 confirming that only the Dog Alien could spit acid. Why should it? What is there about canine DNA that could allow an Alien to spit acid as opposed to human DNA?
i dont know, but so far we have only seen dog aliens do it, so why wouldn't it be them?
QuoteBut A:R did confirm that human-born Aliens can spit acid too. So my point about the Spitter still stands.
nope, it was a dog alien in A:R that spat acid.
QuotePraetorian, soldier(warrior), queen, spitter, lurker, WTF?
those are reasnoble name for all the variants.
No point in having a Spitter class since all adult Aliens (at least young adults / smooth-headed ones) can spit if they want to, as witnessed in Alien 3 and A:R.
I would much rather like to see the Runner alien implemented instead of this Spitter novelty.
Make it (the Runner) faster, more vicious and being able to spit farther than the Lurker. Also make it spray acid blood in a wider splash radius than other xenos when being killed. The trade-off could be that the Runner is just as "weak" as the Lurker but also needing to "feed" on dead humans in order to regain health. This would make it the perfect shock-trooper suicide unit - incredibly short-lived but utterly dangerous.
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 21, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
nope, it was a dog alien in A:R that spat acid.
There were no dogs on Auriga - only human hosts were used to breed xenos.
Quote from: Gate on Oct 21, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
Why would that make them and not the previous human-born Aliens able to spit acid, exactly? And I'd say it was the Newborn who was a genetic screw-up, while the other Aliens seemed fine.
They were all fused with Ripley's DNA and vice versa. The Xenos might be a resilient species but that was unavoidable.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 21, 2012, 04:39:37 PM
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 21, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
nope, it was a dog alien in A:R that spat acid.
There were no dogs on Auriga - only human hosts were used to breed xenos.
haha did you miss the dead dog floating around in the water?
Quote from: Gate on Oct 21, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
why?
Dog floating around in the water :)
also, are there some people who saw Alien:R and didn't see the dogaliens? they have those weird legs and all, theyr'e brownish, and they killed Christie!
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 21, 2012, 07:31:42 PM
also, are there some people who saw Alien:R and didn't see the dogaliens? they have those weird legs and all, theyr'e brownish, and they killed Christie!
They all looked like that in A:R - that was the standard design of the xeno adults in that movie. They all had double-jointed legs and a brownish hue, yet still had dorsal tubes. It had to do with the mutation. They probably had some of the Queen's DNA make-up in them giving them those legs and hands, whereas the brown hue and fleshy exterior probably came from Ripley (i.e. human DNA).
well they showed no sign of having human DNA in them where is that from?
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 21, 2012, 08:11:58 PM
well they showed no sign of having human DNA in them where is that from?
The fleshiness and lack of biomechanical detail can probably be traced back to Ripley's mammal DNA.
the dog-alien doesn't have any biomechanical features either?
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 21, 2012, 08:30:42 PM
the dog-alien doesn't have any biomechanical features either?
It has bimechanical features, except around the throat and neck area. Other than that it is just as biomechanical as the Aliens from the first two movies. I think it's the brown hue that makes it look fleshy compared to the silver-gray one from
Alien and the bluish jet-black ones from
Aliens.
Quotehaha did you miss the dead dog floating around in the water?
Yes.
There's a couple of pigs - no dog.
Quotealso, are there some people who saw Alien:R and didn't see the dogaliens? they have those weird legs and all, theyr'e brownish, and they killed Christie!
As the Beagle said, they all look like that in Resurrection and we're all bred out of humans. Considering the genetic jiggery pokery going on and mixing of Ripley and Alien DNA - which other Alien has them funky legs?
just because ripley gained some alien abilities, doesn't mean that the aliens gained "human abilities"
and besides even if that wasn't the case, if the aliens were so altered by human dna, why didn't ripley grow a tail or something?
The Queen clearly gained a human ability.
Ripley had acid blood, superhuman strength and senses and the beginnings of dorsal tubes. Why does she need a tail again?
Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2012, 07:52:29 AMthe beginnings of dorsal tubes.
huh? Are you just kidding or is that in the actual film? :P
Spoiler
how did i miss that? :laugh:
???
Quote from: SM on Oct 21, 2012, 11:29:54 PM
Quotehaha did you miss the dead dog floating around in the water?
Yes.
There's a couple of pigs - no dog.
Quotealso, are there some people who saw Alien:R and didn't see the dogaliens? they have those weird legs and all, theyr'e brownish, and they killed Christie!
As the Beagle said, they all look like that in Resurrection and we're all bred out of humans. Considering the genetic jiggery pokery going on and mixing of Ripley and Alien DNA - which other Alien has them funky legs?
There were really pigs???
QuoteThere were really pigs???
yeah this, i always thought they were dogs, but dog-aliens can surely come from pigs, since they are all quadrupedal animals.
Quotethe beginnings of dorsal tubes.
whaat, when? that would explain alot.
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 22, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
QuoteThere were really pigs???
yeah this, i always thought they were dogs, but dog-aliens can surely come from pigs, since they are all quadrupedal animals.
Which still doesn't explain why only quadrupedal Aliens could spit acid, according to you.
to quote the holy PAC:
Quote"thats just the way it is, things will never be the same"
All these different alien breeds/classes as far as I'm concerned are purely there for gameplay variety. They can crowbar in reasons/roles within the hive to explain why they are there all they want but personally I'll never buy it (their explanations that is, not the game, that I haven't decided on yet).
TBH I don't see any in-universe/lore reason for the new aliens as why do these aliens need a special alien to make tunnels, why do they need another that can spit acid?
No as far as I'm concerned they were added purely for gameplay variety (which is perfectly reasonable) and these reasons for them are pointless.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Oct 22, 2012, 09:09:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2012, 07:52:29 AMthe beginnings of dorsal tubes.
huh? Are you just kidding or is that in the actual film? :P Spoiler
how did i miss that? :laugh:
???
'Cos they're almost impossible to spot in the finished film. There's behind the scenes pics of scars on Ripley's back. You can just make one out at around 6:50 into the special edition (when she's coming out of the bag). The idea was she started to grow them and they were surgically removed.
Quoteyeah this, i always thought they were dogs, but dog-aliens can surely come from pigs, since they are all quadrupedal animals.
Dogs - shave dogs no less - are hanging on meat hooks in a kitchen? [avoid racial stereotype humour here].
The pigs aren't shown to be bursted either.
Quote from: Edvin on Oct 22, 2012, 07:28:00 PM
to quote the holy PAC:
Quote"thats just the way it is, things will never be the same"
to quote the holy SM:
QuoteYou're making shit up.
Any stills of the dogs or pigs??
No dogs.
I don't have stills handy of the pigs, but if you have a hankering, one is visible behind Ripley and Call at 1:07:39 (SE) and three more at 1:08:25.
I always enjoyed the Bestiary that AVP Extinction had.
Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2012, 10:34:35 PM
'Cos they're almost impossible to spot in the finished film. There's behind the scenes pics of scars on Ripley's back. You can just make one out at around 6:50 into the special edition (when she's coming out of the bag). The idea was she started to grow them and they were surgically removed.
Waaa! Thanks for the info :)
Quote from: Gate on Oct 23, 2012, 12:47:00 AM
I always enjoyed the Bestiary that AVP Extinction had.
Check my personal text, also, Extinction is still mattel level canon. bleugh.
Spoiler
OSWOCS!?
The hierarchy class they had set up wasn't too extreme given the Military Predators and Heavy Marines. The Carrier and Ravager would make horrible enemies to fight in an FPS- horrible in the fact that you're f**ked if you try to take them on single-handedly.
Quote from: Gate on Oct 21, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
And that the movie itself was just as much of a f**kup. Sure the special effects were interesting, but the story sucked, the acting was weak, the aliens were stupid (i mean come on. Waiting for like 10 minutes before chasing the characters, then promptly sticking it's face into a shotgun? They are WAY smarter than that) the lesbian build-up between Cole and Ripley didn't lead to anything but a gay kiss with the wheel chair dude and Ron Proman (WTF), the military ran like pussys, the black guy could bounce a bullet with impeccable accuracy off every niche, every corner and flat surface imaginable, but a 7 foot alien standing right the f**k in front of him was a challenge to hit, and when it died he could have easily kicked the aliens body off, but instead he cut himself loose, supposedly 'died' when he fell in the water, even though the facehuggers were destroyed as well as the xenomorphs in the water, Cole was a synthetic sex toy (according to Ron Proman) and the Human/Alien hybrid was a F**KED UP last minute plot twist that lead to some very gruesome deaths and wierd incest shit with ripley. Overall, it's a total disgrace to the alien franchise, and thus not even worth mentioning for ideas in Colonial Marines. Just...No.
Holy ramble, i apologize. That movie was just....ugh, I don't even want to think about it anymore.
Quote from: Gate on Oct 21, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
According to fans, and nothing else.
So tired of hearing this.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 03, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Gate on Oct 21, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
According to fans, and nothing else.
So tired of hearing this.
They has to have been genetic screw ups because they looked awful and nothing like original aliens
Quote from: Queen7 on Nov 04, 2012, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 03, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Gate on Oct 21, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
According to fans, and nothing else.
So tired of hearing this.
They has to have been genetic screw ups because they looked awful and nothing like original aliens
isn't the theory that they have some human DNA mixed up in there somewhere?
The fact the A:R Aliens were mutants (according to the guys at ADI too), but that is irrelevant... the Alien in Alien3 was shown spitting, or at least emitting acid as a method of offense. It attacked Murphy that way.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 04, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
The fact the A:R Aliens were mutants (according to the guys at ADI too), but that is irrelevant... the Alien in Alien3 was shown spitting, or at least emitting acid as a method of offense. It attacked Murphy that way.
It looked liked the alien got him with his his tongue I did not see acid
Then you need to look closer.
Quote from: SM on Nov 04, 2012, 10:36:35 PM
Then you need to look closer.
I will one day when I rematch alien3
You might even need to slow mo it. It's cut together very quickly.
Quote from: SM on Nov 04, 2012, 11:09:18 PM
You might even need to slow mo it. It's cut together very quickly.
I will try maybe its on YouTube somewhere. I like the idea that they spit acid it makes them seem more menacing but I don't feel it works well for some reason I thought all they spit out was the secretion to make there hives.
Quote from: Queen7 on Nov 04, 2012, 06:50:13 PM
It looked liked the alien got him with his his tongue I did not see acid
Doesn't explain Clemens' remark later about marks that looked like the ones on the cryotube.
Aaand you do see smoke. As
SM said, you could go frame by frame.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 03, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Gate on Oct 21, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Take note that the Aliens in A:R were genetic f**kups.
According to fans, and nothing else.
So tired of hearing this.
yeah, me too.
Any "in universe" explanation for these variants is an after thought to the L4D model they admitted to following.
I just hope the new variants have more purpose than simply an excuse to add variety and also fit well within the storyline.
Like the idea of the spitter alien. I mean any adult alien could spit acid some how. But to have it as its own class would help in multiplayer matches. As for how it is created will remain a mystery until the game comes out. I hope its limited to multiplayer.