Anyone heard anything? ??? ::)
Still no information? I would get a 4k TV for this.
No news at all. Everybody is really slow at releasing old movies in 4k.
I'd have thought they'd release Avatar before them. That'd look amazing in HDR.
So the only movies in the series that are 4k are Prometheus and Alien: Covenant?
Ive just recently upgraded to a UHD 4KTV and Xbox one X mostly for gaming. But I defo would re-buy another version of Alien and Aliens to play on my new 4KTV if they do decide to release a 4K version of them films.
At the moment I own Prometheus on Blu-ray 3D but I will probably wait for the 4K version when I see it cheap. I don't really care enough to buy Alien Covenant on 4K at the moment. But will probably pick it up eventually when I see it dirt cheap in the bargain bin in the near or distant future.
One thing that's pissing me off with 4K at the moment? is it's hard to find a film that has all 4K UHD, Blu-Ray 3D and normal Blu-ray in one case. It's like if you want both a 4K version and a 3D Blu-ray version off the same film you have to buy them separately from shops like HMV or supermarkets. I've seen a few that support all formats in one case when shopping online, but with a stupid price tag. This shit needs to stop.
One more thing about 3D.. i just recently watched T2:3D and the 3D conversion was pretty dam good so I hope Cameron gets round to making Aliens in 3D, cos i would also buy that in a heart beat since my TV also support Blu-ray 3D.
That seems to be much more common in America. You buy one version and you'll get it on lots of different formats whereas in the UK, you buy them separately. Makes sense to me. No point getting multiple versions if you only want the best version.
Quote from: Kimo on Feb 19, 2018, 08:01:43 PM
One more thing about 3D.. i just recently watched T2:3D and the 3D conversion was pretty dam good so I hope Cameron gets round to making Aliens in 3D, cos i would also buy that in a heart beat since my TV also support Blu-ray 3D.
He did say he'd look at Aliens next if the Terminator 2 3D conversion when down well.
Darkness It's just frustrating at the moment if you want both 4K and 3D in the same boxset. When Blu-ray 3D was big around say 2013 you could pay a tiny bit more and get the boxset with the 3D version as well as the normal Blu-ray and a Digital Copy and in some cases even a DVD disc... But these days, they only like to bundle the 4k disc without a 3D disc. :( The 4K format is basically ultra HD on a Blu-ray advanced disc, so they should stop being greedy bastards and support all formats with a reasonable price tag, and not make it were you have to buy them separately and pay double the price just to own that film.
An example.. I wanted to buy "War of the Planets for the Apes" in 4K and i was hoping it also came with the 3D version. But you could only get the 4K with the regular Blu-ray disc in most shops. However when looking online the was a version that had 4K, 3D, Bluray but it was like £40+ to buy.
The problem I'm having, is I want the best version which is obviously 4K but I also want the 3D version since I like 3D, however I don't want to pay double the price for the same film. So I have decided at the moment I will only buy 4K films that were not made in 3D. However any films that were shot in 3D I'm just going to buy the 3D version that comes also with the regular 2D Blu-ray disc.
I understand that most people don't need multiple versions of the same film. But seriously to print one's and zero's onto a blank disc must cost the manufacturers pennies compared to say years ago when different formats like vinyl, Laserdisc, Tape's and VHS existed. Just pure greed no wonder people like the pirate.
Hicks
Defo hope T2:3D done well enough for us to get Aliens in 3D. Cos when I watch T2 in 3D it was like watching it for the first time in ages. I really enjoyed it.
It's probably down to licensing and royalties. It'd just push the prices up for everyone if they included other formats so it's not as simple as just printing another disc. I hate to say it but 3D is as dead as the dodo and you're a very small minority who is still interested in it. It's hard for me to compare as I refuse to watch anything in 3D but I definitely say 4K an HDR do make a big difference if you have the right TV.
In one interview for Covenant Ridley mentioned that Alien will be released in 4K. I'm 100% but unfortunately I cannot find that video. There are some many.
I have no interest in 3D and certainly wouldn't want to watch something that's been converted to 3D, that originally wasn't presented that way.
4K only for me. I'm sure they have something planned for ALIEN's 40th anniversary.
I would only need the first two films in 4K. I'll still keep all the past DVD and Blu-ray releases in my collection for their supplemental features.
If I had to guess, a six movie (maybe seven, if the third prequel happens and is included?) 4K "Anthology" type set will happen in a couple years time. I wouldn't expect individual releases to follow until a couple years after that.
QuoteI can't reveal my sources, but Ridley Scott has recently approved a new 4K master of Alien. Whether this is a standalone release or a new box set of all the films is unknown.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/8k1al4/alien_4k_remaster_is_happening/?st=jhbpsms7&sh=c6aee997
Could be bollocks, could not be.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 18, 2018, 08:43:02 AM
QuoteI can't reveal my sources, but Ridley Scott has recently approved a new 4K master of Alien. Whether this is a standalone release or a new box set of all the films is unknown.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/8k1al4/alien_4k_remaster_is_happening/?st=jhbpsms7&sh=c6aee997
Could be bollocks, could not be.
Still patiently awaiting the Bob Penn book full of production stills - and a 4K ALIEN to go with it.
Can't wait to see all the pores on the faces of the actors and all the finer Nostromo and Derelict details.
Looks like it is happening.
https://www.filmarena-eng.com/blu-ray-alien-4k-ultra-hd
Due for release next May.
Will this be a single release or part of a new 4K box set?
Finally, they better do the whole set though or I'll be peeved, fix those A3 effects!
It'll likely be packaged with the current Blu-Ray.
Woo finally! Can't wait to buy this.
Good news, but I personally can't see it looking much better than the anthology bluray.
Aliens on Blu-ray is likely the best we're going to get judging from JC's track record,
it'll probably be exactly the same colour timing etc in 4K.
He could surprise us and release a wax sculpture mess with digital transformations.
(Judgment Day 4K)
A3 is anyone's guess, I'd want a new intermediate cut with fixed compositing.
(More on the side of the Assembly Cut, trim some of the fat.)
Keep AC opening, Ox, "Raise his servants to redemption." , Golic releasing the beast;
& remove the egg shot.
More complex than that obviously, but that's the basics of it.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 14, 2018, 08:31:06 PM
Aliens on Blu-ray is likely the best we're going to get judging from JC's track record,
it'll probably be exactly the same colour timing etc in 4K.
He could surprise us and release a wax sculpture mess with digital transformations.
(Judgment Day 4K)
A3 is anyone's guess, I'd want a new intermediate cut with fixed compositing.
(More on the side of the Assembly Cut, trim some of the fat.)
Keep AC opening, Ox, "Raise his servants to redemption." , Golic releasing the beast;
& remove the egg shot.
More complex than that obviously, but that's the basics of it.
Perhaps one day they'll release a version of Alien 3 that gives viewers the ability to choose their preferred scenes from both versions and combine them into a viewer preferred cut.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
What else is special about 2019? It's none other than Alien's 40th Anniversary in May so all signs are pointing to Alien Day for its official 4K release. Other Alien 4K listings include Lenticular, 3D, Steelbook versions and an "Alien Maniacs" Collector's Box including all the different versions of it. You can see the various artwork below
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/alien4k.jpg
The image they're using on that cover is actually a crop from one of Alien: Isolation's promotional images:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/games/aisolation/promo/promo008_Amanda_Ripley.jpg)
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 14, 2018, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 14, 2018, 08:31:06 PM
Aliens on Blu-ray is likely the best we're going to get judging from JC's track record,
it'll probably be exactly the same colour timing etc in 4K.
He could surprise us and release a wax sculpture mess with digital transformations.
(Judgment Day 4K)
A3 is anyone's guess, I'd want a new intermediate cut with fixed compositing.
(More on the side of the Assembly Cut, trim some of the fat.)
Keep AC opening, Ox, "Raise his servants to redemption." , Golic releasing the beast;
& remove the egg shot.
More complex than that obviously, but that's the basics of it.
Perhaps one day they'll release a version of Alien 3 that gives viewers the ability to choose their preferred scenes from both versions and combine them into a viewer preferred cut.
Or they could just get me on editing and you'd all get the best cut. ;)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 14, 2018, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
What else is special about 2019? It's none other than Alien's 40th Anniversary in May so all signs are pointing to Alien Day for its official 4K release. Other Alien 4K listings include Lenticular, 3D, Steelbook versions and an "Alien Maniacs" Collector's Box including all the different versions of it. You can see the various artwork below
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/alien4k.jpg
The image they're using on that cover is actually a crop from one of Alien: Isolation's promotional images:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/games/aisolation/promo/promo008_Amanda_Ripley.jpg)
#FakeQuotes
I didn't post the news. It certainly is, though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2018, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 14, 2018, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
What else is special about 2019? It's none other than Alien's 40th Anniversary in May so all signs are pointing to Alien Day for its official 4K release. Other Alien 4K listings include Lenticular, 3D, Steelbook versions and an "Alien Maniacs" Collector's Box including all the different versions of it. You can see the various artwork below
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/alien4k.jpg
The image they're using on that cover is actually a crop from one of Alien: Isolation's promotional images:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/games/aisolation/promo/promo008_Amanda_Ripley.jpg)
#FakeQuotes
I didn't post the news. It certainly is, though.
Yeah, it kinda jumps out at you. I just thought it was a placeholder.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2018, 09:08:58 PM
#FakeQuotes
I didn't post the news. It certainly is, though.
Ha, I was wondering why the grammar and spelling was so flawless! :P
Oh I don't know (as to might not be beneficial), there's still room for improvement and there's never been an HDR grade before. I think it can definitely get even better.
For example as good as it was, there was still a bit of black crush (very important for a film like this) going on with the blu-ray version. Most people probably don't even remember HD VHS because it lasted all of five minutes, but being on tape it had less compression and there was more shadow information than the blu. I'm sure you can find it out there if you're interested.
I'm sure they did put in a lot of work but it suffered a touch in the final transfer or encode.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 14, 2018, 09:11:44 PM
Yeah, it kinda jumps out at you. I just thought it was a placeholder.
It might well be.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 14, 2018, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2018, 09:08:58 PM
#FakeQuotes
I didn't post the news. It certainly is, though.
Ha, I was wondering why the grammar and spelling was so flawless! :P
(https://media.giphy.com/media/UU40dom8T8yAg/giphy.gif)
:P
Wonder what colours we'll be getting in the machine shop room with this restore? I still think Alien's Blu-ray transfer is phenomenal but I'm curious to see how much better it can get. Very tempted to upgrade everything to 4K soon.
My prayers have been answered!
did someone say 4K steelbook!? im down, where do i preorder!!!!!
Now available for pre-order in the UK on Zavvi: https://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/alien-4k-ultra-hd-includes-blu-ray/12020758.html?affil=awin&awc=2549_1547403759_bbd28e4cd7392eec6e44c97c639d95a1&utm_source=AWin-125837&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=AffiliateWin
Release date is April 1st.
(https://s1.thcdn.com/productimg/1600/1600/12020758-2124642386008325.jpg)
"Alien is the first movie of one of the most popular sagas in science fiction history,
and introduces Sigourney Weaver as Ripley, the iron-willed woman destined to battle the galaxy's ultimate creature.
The terror begin when the crew of the spaceship Nostromo investigates a transmission from a desolate planet
and makes a horrifying discovery - a life form that breeds within a human host.
Now the crew must fight now only for its survival, but for the survival of all mankind."
Awesome.
That art though... :-\
Maybe they can re-use this image for a 4K release of AVP:
(https://www.dal.net/ahd/art/alien/AVP.JPG)
lol AVP will never get a 4K Release.
Quote from: David's Creation on Jan 14, 2019, 08:49:38 PM
That art though... :-\
Poor Alien looks like he'd been dipped in liquid mercury and then had some oil poured over on top of his head. Was it the same guys who were in charge of The Predator endings who signed off on this?
And why is there a TBC over the rating? Does it need to be re-rated again?
Perhaps minor edits have been made to the TC.
Must be. Usually it only needs to be re-rated if the film has been edited.
Gimme them slaps Ridley! And get rid of that dodgy Ash head!
What happened to that artwork? Jesus!
It merged with The Shimmer.
That cover art looks... interesting.
I wonder if the audio might have a Dolby Atmos or DTSX track? Holding out for a steelbook with better art than this guff.
If anyone has an iTunes copy of the film, we should get that upgraded to the 4K HDR before April 1st.
I assume this is the Theatrical cut only?
That artwork... just stick with the classic cracked egg glowing green light as it's perfect. Mind you the Digitalbits are reporting that artwork is subject to change here http://digitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/011419-1100 (http://digitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/011419-1100)
The cameras couldnt even record 4k so how is it 4k
A little over a year ago the Air and Space Smithsonian showed a double feature of Alien and Aliens on their Imax screen in 4K (not sure how they pulled it off) it looked phenomenal.
Quote from: tech man on Jan 15, 2019, 09:25:14 AM
The cameras couldnt even record 4k so how is it 4k
The original negative is re-scanned at 4K resolution.
And you call yourself 'tech man'? :D
Hopefully this will be the original theatrical cut.
Ill only get this depending on the extras
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 14, 2019, 09:52:45 PM
Gimme them slaps Ridley! And get rid of that dodgy Ash head!
Oh man, I'd buy a re-release purely on the basic of improving some of the editing around that stupid head.
Quote from: tech man on Jan 15, 2019, 09:25:14 AM
The cameras couldnt even record 4k so how is it 4k
35mm film has approximately 6k resolution. There were also 70mm prints done up for the initial release.
The hdr/extra resolution will make this really pop, it's going to look stunning, the KY jelly will glisten like its never glistened before.
Hi, techman here again.
I read wrong. I thought it is all 4 movies as uhd. That would be impossible because all of the CGI was very likely done as the resolution that the movietheaters showed at that time. Usually it is cropped to full hd and bars added.
Therefore you cant have alien3 or 4 as 4k because all digital effects would have to be made from scratch with 4k models and so forth even if the original negatives of the movie would exist and could be scanned to digital version as 4k.
I didnt reat enough to see that it is only alien 1 that is now 4k so that actually is possible as 4k if they take the whole data that the negatives recorded back at the day.
Actually alien 3 and 4 could be made 4k too because cgi is so limited in alien 3. Alien 2 has no cgi. Alien 4 cgi would need to be done by professionals who would have to use the cgi models from original resurrection and then make them higher resolution and have them walk all the same way etc, Would really need top professionals. There wasnt much cgi in resurrection, the swimming scene and some other but they basically could be done too.
Again, no -- Resurrection was shot and released on film. They'd just take 4K scans of the 35 mm film prints. Jurassic Park is 4 years older and they didn't have to redo the CGI for the 4K release. The CGI might look worse, but there's no reason to redo it.
Something like Predators will be a bit screwed because they filmed in Full HD digital.
Let me re-edit Alien³
& Hire someone to fix
the composites, though.
;D
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 14, 2019, 08:51:26 PM
lol AVP will never get a 4K Release.
If the format eventually becomes the standard versus a niche market, or if we ever get another AVP film or television series, I think there's definitely a 4K AVP release in our future.
It will become the standard, so it probably will-
but I reckon they won't invest the money to scan
the original negative, if it even still exists to scan.
.
Upscaled Blu-Ray, if anything.
Sorry for just stopping by to flame around, BUT that cover art is a pure insult! What idiot approved that? 40 freaking years anniversary and they use an half ass photoshopped picture of the SideShow legendary bust (was never movie accurate in the first place) and than add a wrong tail that is even poorly posed and totally out of proportion to the head?
That shows how much they appreciate that franchise.
Hopefully they change it.
Quote from: locusta on Jan 16, 2019, 09:07:55 PM
Sorry for just stopping by to flame around, BUT that cover art is a pure insult! What idiot approved that? 40 freaking years anniversary and they use an half ass photoshopped picture of the SideShow legendary bust (was never movie accurate in the first place) and than add a wrong tail that is even poorly posed and totally out of proportion to the head?
That shows how much they appreciate that franchise.
They didn't do much better for the 20th:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51707GZPTVL._SY445_.jpg)
They just need to re-present the original poster art in a stylish way. So iconic, and a lot of the kids today have probably never even
seen it! >:(
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 16, 2019, 10:25:09 PM
They just need to re-present the original poster art in a stylish way. So iconic, and a lot of the kids today have probably never even seen it! >:(
Said as much earlier. Spot on! It's a perfect poster. Mysterious, beautiful and creepy ... and also doesn't reveal the Xenomorph.
I doubt it's the final artwork.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 17, 2019, 07:07:17 AM
I doubt it's the final artwork.
Would you be shocked though if it is?
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/yj5oYHjoIwv28/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c40928d31506a6e4d857598)
Dissapointed, not shocked. Why can't they just use the damn egg.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 17, 2019, 03:42:19 PM
Dissapointed, not shocked.
Just take a gander at this Predator steelbook recently complained about in another thread. Forget the AVP Scar helmet, if you look closely you can notice the torso figure joint. :-\
(https://s1.thcdn.com/productimg/1600/1600/11790198-1274586648121567.jpg)
QuoteWhy can't they just use the damn egg.
Agreed with Fox should use it, and no idea why they don't. :-\
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2019, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 17, 2019, 03:42:19 PM
Dissapointed, not shocked.
Just take a gander at this Predator steelbook recently complained about in another thread. Forget the AVP Scar helmet, if you look closely you can notice the torso figure joint. :-\
(https://s1.thcdn.com/productimg/1600/1600/11790198-1274586648121567.jpg)
I thought you'd be more flustered at the fact that
Predators is included.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 17, 2019, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2019, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 17, 2019, 03:42:19 PM
Dissapointed, not shocked.
Just take a gander at this Predator steelbook recently complained about in another thread. Forget the AVP Scar helmet, if you look closely you can notice the torso figure joint. :-\
(https://s1.thcdn.com/productimg/1600/1600/11790198-1274586648121567.jpg)
I thought you'd be more flustered at the fact that Predators is included.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/12ZDIx1Mw1cXVm/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c40afef375549446398d63d)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2019, 04:22:07 PM
Agreed with Fox should use it, and no idea why they don't. :-\
I read once about a market study where they learned that people are more likely to buy/see a movie if there's a big picture of the 'star' on the cover. As a result, the art of the movie poster is now lost to history... :-[
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2019, 04:41:03 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 17, 2019, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2019, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 17, 2019, 03:42:19 PM
Dissapointed, not shocked.
Just take a gander at this Predator steelbook recently complained about in another thread. Forget the AVP Scar helmet, if you look closely you can notice the torso figure joint. :-\
(https://s1.thcdn.com/productimg/1600/1600/11790198-1274586648121567.jpg)
I thought you'd be more flustered at the fact that Predators is included.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/12ZDIx1Mw1cXVm/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c40afef375549446398d63d
Hell, if they're gonna use a figure on the cover, use a good one, like the original, or City Hunter.
And there's your egg.
Better. Still not crazy about it, but much better.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 17, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
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Ooo, that's the one I'm gettin'! I'd still prefer the original poster, but at least this art has style and class. :)
Quote from: David's Creation on Jan 17, 2019, 09:07:59 PM
Better. Still not crazy about it, but much better.
Agreed.
It's looks great.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 17, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
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Sets reminder for Feb 4th!
...better, but still not crazy about all this splish splash chrome. It's a sci-fi horror film not the bleedin'...splish splash show. :D
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 18, 2019, 03:00:48 AM
...better, but still not crazy about all this splish splash chrome.
CHROME??!!Oh, what a day! What a lovely day!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/vHIz00fcNbseQ/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 18, 2019, 04:15:13 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 18, 2019, 03:00:48 AM
...better, but still not crazy about all this splish splash chrome.
CHROME??!!
Oh, what a day! What a lovely day!
https://media.giphy.com/media/vHIz00fcNbseQ/giphy.gif
I'm pretty much the only person who kinda likes the cover art presented. Probably because I'm not very picky. Sometimes.
It's not offensive, but it's weak and bizarre. It doesn't really communicate the feel of the movie, which box art really should.
Yeah...
Waiting for FilmArena's steelbook
on this one.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 17, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
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Is the dripping goo meant to tie the film in with the goo in the new movies...? Am I thinking too hard? :laugh: Would've preferred the classic poster tbh.
Maybe just the Alien's ass
being smothered with K-Y Jelly.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scified.com%2Fu%2F12023954-1344642708810896.jpg&hash=cac4aee32811125c9534e579f5989a6415d8be79)
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Well, the steelbook is better but still meh for me. Are there any other versions coming out or is it just these two?
So i guess the artist that did these watched Annihilation recently.
Yeah not liking this. I hope they release one that doesnt have these metallic rainbow aliens.
Lol Giger was so enamoured with dongs that even the space helmet light is a dong. ;D :D
Man if they wanna use toys for this, at least use something also celebrating its 40th anniversary :P
(https://i.imgur.com/rkXpney.jpg)
Indeed.
Man, more so than the front-
which is alright, the back's
horrendous.
MantaLab/FilmArena save me!
What they did to NECA's Alien should be a crime.
Well, IMO Neca's Alien/Aliens
Big Chap/Warrior figures are
horrendous, no big deal then.
(https://www.hidefninja.com/community/attachments/37252254_1952893954827571_125020669715939328_n-jpg.384015/)
FilmArena Steelbook TBC
MantaLab N/A
Best big chap figures I've seen are the Kotobukiya figures, they're absolutely top-shelf.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 19, 2019, 04:02:50 AM
Well, IMO Neca's Alien/Aliens
Big Chap/Warrior figures are
horrendous, no big deal then.
(https://www.hidefninja.com/community/attachments/37252254_1952893954827571_125020669715939328_n-jpg.384015/)
FilmArena Steelbook TBC
MantaLab N/A
Much better.
That's not the final artwork though is it? It says it's a placeholder.
Placeholder.
Just pre-ordered via Zavvi (AU) ... they had a nice discounted price of A$46.49.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/020819-1300
2nd of April release in the US. April 1st for UK.
So apparently the 4K will only be the Theatrical Version, according to Blu-ray.com's information.
Excellent. It's the better version.
I had the same thought.
I wonder what this'll mean for Aliens and Alien³ though, especially considering the popularity of their Special Editions over the Theatrical Versions.
That's if we ever get them. Got to see how well this does first!
If financial considerations come into it we won't, because Disney's record with 4K is abysmal.
Cameron hasn't bothered approving the 4K Aliens transfer.
And he never will.
Cameron's too busy with smurfs. :D
I keep meaning to revisit Avatar. I've not seen it since it came out.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
I keep meaning to revisit Avatar. I've not seen it since it came out.
That's the thing, isn't it? So successful, yet so... disposable. I'm a big home 3D enthusiast, and I've bought movies I've never even seen before because I've read that the 3D transfer is really good. So of course I have to have Avatar, right? Yet every time I think about buying it, I'm like, "Nah, I don't have $30 for that right now."
Meanwhile, I'm thinking about upgrading to 4K for Alien alone...
Avatar is a wonderful technical achievement, but it's by the numbers in every other regard.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 15, 2019, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
I keep meaning to revisit Avatar. I've not seen it since it came out.
That's the thing, isn't it? So successful, yet so... disposable. I'm a big home 3D enthusiast, and I've bought movies I've never even seen before because I've read that the 3D transfer is really good. So of course I have to have Avatar, right? Yet every time I think about buying it, I'm like, "Nah, I don't have $30 for that right now."
Meanwhile, I'm thinking about upgrading to 4K for Alien alone...
Or you can wait a few years for an 8K release. (
I'm not kidding).
The difference from 4K to 8K will be so minimal, and so few films will actually benefit from it that I don't see it becoming a large format. Some films don't have the possibility for beyond 2K resolution, most don't have the possibility for beyond 4K.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 15, 2019, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
I keep meaning to revisit Avatar. I've not seen it since it came out.
That's the thing, isn't it? So successful, yet so... disposable. I'm a big home 3D enthusiast, and I've bought movies I've never even seen before because I've read that the 3D transfer is really good. So of course I have to have Avatar, right? Yet every time I think about buying it, I'm like, "Nah, I don't have $30 for that right now."
Meanwhile, I'm thinking about upgrading to 4K for Alien alone...
Avatar is one of those movies that I just seem to pass over . I have it on DVD , but I've yet to make the move towards Blu-ray with it. I definitely feel that its reputation is a bit overblown . The last time I watched it, it just seemed stretched far too thin . I just can't rationalize spending nearly $30 on that movie . If I can find it cheap on Black Friday, I may pick it up one day in the future.
As for 4K , I don't know if I'm ready to make that kind of commitment . I only switched exclusively to Blu-ray two years ago , and I am more than satisfied with the quality of the Blu-ray format . I can't justify spending $30 on movies that have been out for 30 years, and that I already have in a high definition format with Master audio .
I've read too many reviews about movies having to be upscaled for 4K, and colors being oversaturated or washed out . I think regular Blu-ray is just about perfect for me . You watch movies like the Martian or Prometheus , and the quality is just exceptional.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 05:43:02 PM
The difference from 4K to 8K will be so minimal, and so few films will actually benefit from it that I don't see it becoming a large format. Some films don't have the possibility for beyond 2K resolution, most don't have the possibility for beyond 4K.
That minimal difference has been hotly debated.
But regardless where one stands, 8K televisions are out there on retail shelves now, and prices are already starting to drop to consumer friendly levels.
You think 4K will be the end of it...?
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I have no doubt that there's going to be better transfers, but will the format be better as a whole? I doubt it. Being that there are already 4K transfers that are inferior to the Blu-rays already, or have enough flaws to cause debate; The Fifth Element for example, 8K will be a niche format if at all not an overall improvement as from DVD to Blu-ray, or the majority of Blu-ray to 4K.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 06:32:02 PM
I have no doubt that there's going to be better transfers, but will the format be better as a whole? I doubt it. Being that there are already 4K transfers that are inferior to the Blu-rays already, or have enough flaws to cause debate; The Fifth Element for example, 8K will be a niche format if at all not an overall improvement as from DVD to Blu-ray, or the majority of Blu-ray to 4K.
I hate to say this sis, but 4K is a niche format. And ironically today, Samsung announced they're pulling out of the 4K blu-ray player market.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2019/02/15/samsung-quits-4k-blu-ray-player-market/
Feels like 3D all over again.
Exactly my point, there's no room for 8K.
But 4K's not 3D, 3D's legitimately useless.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 06:32:02 PM
I have no doubt that there's going to be better transfers, but will the format be better as a whole? I doubt it. Being that there are already 4K transfers that are inferior to the Blu-rays already, or have enough flaws to cause debate; The Fifth Element for example, 8K will be a niche format if at all not an overall improvement as from DVD to Blu-ray, or the majority of Blu-ray to 4K.
I hate to say this sis, but 4K is a niche format. And ironically today, Samsung announced they're pulling out of the 4K blu-ray player market.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2019/02/15/samsung-quits-4k-blu-ray-player-market/
Feels like 3D all over again.
Or hd-dvd.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 07:24:52 PM
Exactly my point, there's no room for 8K.
There's no room for both you mean. And 4K will start going bye-bye. It already has.
Out with the old niche. In with the new.
Quote
But 4K's not 3D, 3D's legitimately useless.
Hey, watch it sister! I have and enjoy my 3D TV!
Nonsense. 4K's longevity is all but confirmed, according to Blu-ray.com 4K's outselling their Blu-ray counterparts for most major releases.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 15, 2019, 07:29:31 PM
Or hd-dvd.
That was different brother. That was a battle between Blu-ray and HDDVD, backed by different companies, both trying to be the new HD home video replacement format for DVD.
It was like VHS and BETAMAX, and 4K is like the niche Laserdisc.
4K's the final physical format.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 07:42:58 PM
Nonsense. 4K's longevity is all but confirmed, according to Blu-ray.com 4K's outselling their Blu-ray counterparts for most major releases.
Actually it's not nonsense Oldy One but Goody. 4K only holds 5.3% of all disc sales.
And those New Releases are 4K + BLURAY + DIGITAL. We buy them because that gets the top of the line edition, with often steelbooks and extra goodies. That's why so many of the general public (including me) have 4K discs but no player and never use them.
A few years ago it was 3D + BLURAY + DIGITAL. Most diehard Marvel fans can tell ya that they have 3D discs at home but no 3D player, no 3D tv.
It's not the same, 3D requires specific hardware that you had to go out of your way to use. Compare that to 4K Televisions, which in the UK are no more pricey than that of the HD Standard Televisions, and the same will happen with the 4K Blu-ray players in due time.
4K & 3D are false equivalences.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 15, 2019, 07:29:31 PM
Or hd-dvd.
That was different brother. That was a battle between Blu-ray and HDDVD, backed by different companies, both trying to be the new HD home video replacement format for DVD.
It was like VHS and BETAMAX, and 4K is like the niche Laserdisc.
But like the dodo, it goes away.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 08:14:06 PM
It's not the same, 3D requires specific hardware that you had to go out of your way to use.
3D requires a 3D player and 3D Television
4K requires a 4K player and 4K Television
The only thing extra 3D needs is your 3D Glasses.
QuoteCompare that to 4K Televisions, which in the UK are no more pricey than that of the HD Standard Televisions, and the same will happen with the 4K Blu-ray players in due time.
But 8K televisions are dropping in price and will soon be no more pricey too. If you have no skin in the game, and you are shopping for a TV, what will you buy? 4K or the better 8K? And then would you want 4K or 8K movies to maximize the use of your TV?
Quote4K & 3D are false equivalences.
I was only equating to their niche status, and eventual demise. Samsung pulled out of the 3D player market. Now Samsung pulled out of the 4K player market.
If they saw the futures growing, they wouldn't have pulled out from either. But Samsung sees the writing on the wall unfortunately.
Yes but a 4K Blu-ray and a 4K Player is a general upgrade from a regular Blu-ray and player, in picture and sound- 3D isn't.
8K Films aren't a thing, (On Media) and honestly I'd probably go for the best all round Television, in terms of longevity or picture 4K or 8K.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 08:49:52 PM
Yes but a 4K Blu-ray and a 4K Player is a general upgrade from a regular Blu-ray player, 3D isn't.
8K Films aren't a thing, (On Media) and honestly I'd probably go for the best all round Television, in terms of longevity or picture 4K or 8K.
Well, we'll just have to see how it goes. Either way, Samsung pulling out of 4K is not a good sign.
Now... Back to arguing about canon! ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 08:52:45 PMSamsung pulling out of 4K is not a good sign.
Yeah, I just got the news myself. They're (the industry, that is) doing their best to kill physical media. My PS4 has suddenly started to have difficulty reading blu-ray discs, and the tinfoil hat-wearer in me is wondering if that's a feature, not a bug (i.e. "Gee, discs are such a pain... PS4 can't even read 'em! What's a streaming service I can subscribe to?").
And then the endless stories of "I paid for this movie, and now it's no longer available?". To say nothing of directors potentially 'special edition-izing' their old films a la George Lucas, and now that's the file that we all have to stream. Gimme my physical discs. >:(
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 15, 2019, 10:10:32 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 08:52:45 PMSamsung pulling out of 4K is not a good sign.
Yeah, I just got the news myself. They're (the industry, that is) doing their best to kill physical media. My PS4 has suddenly started to have difficulty reading blu-ray discs, and the tinfoil hat-wearer in me is wondering if that's a feature, not a bug (i.e. "Gee, discs are such a pain... PS4 can't even read 'em! What's a streaming service I can subscribe to?").
And then the endless stories of "I paid for this movie, and now it's no longer available?". To say nothing of directors potentially 'special edition-izing' their old films a la George Lucas, and now that's the file that we all have to stream. Gimme my physical discs. >:(
I've worried about the same things myself. I'm a physical copy man . I like to be able to enjoy my entertainment when and how I want to . There are still portions of the population that do not have access to proper high-speed internet. Nor is the Internet always reliable in bad weather . I'll stick with my discs . They provide the utmost picture quality and sound at all times, regardless of climactic conditions.
As a minimalist, going digital almost seems like a good idea. But the fact is that other people control what you have access to and can take that access away . I don't like to pay for things I might not be able to use two weeks later. And I don't want to be held back from enjoying things unless I pay more for some premium service.
Unless I can download what I buy Digitally, there's no point. Physical anyday.
I just like being able to hold something in my hands. It's the same with books.
I also once said that I want to be able to go down to my living room in the morning with a cup of coffee and look at my assortment of movies.
"It's such a nice day today. Should I watch . . . 'Terminator?' Tell Voodoo I'm watching it regularly? 'Twister?' 'Harry Potter?' 'Aliens?' 'Shawshank?'"
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 15, 2019, 11:39:24 PM
I just like being able to hold something in my hands. It's the same with books.
I also once said that I want to be able to go down to my living room in the morning with a cup of coffee and look at my assortment of movies.
"It's such a nice day today. Should I watch . . . 'Terminator?' Tell Voodoo I'm watching it regularly? 'Twister?' 'Harry Potter?' 'Aliens?' 'Shawshank?'"
Watch the pecs and be hypnotized....
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/WAmFPjn5CKPrq/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c6751516455676277630f6d)
Watch The Terminator.....
Waaaaaatch the Terrrrrmmmmminaaaatoooorrrr
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 11:57:54 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 15, 2019, 11:39:24 PM
I just like being able to hold something in my hands. It's the same with books.
I also once said that I want to be able to go down to my living room in the morning with a cup of coffee and look at my assortment of movies.
"It's such a nice day today. Should I watch . . . 'Terminator?' Tell Voodoo I'm watching it regularly? 'Twister?' 'Harry Potter?' 'Aliens?' 'Shawshank?'"
Watch the pecs and be hypnotized....
https://media3.giphy.com/media/WAmFPjn5CKPrq/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c6751516455676277630f6d
Watch The Terminator.....
Waaaaaatch the Terrrrrmmmmminaaaatoooorrrr
I hate to say it, but . . . Arnie doesn't work on me. Nice try, though. :laugh:
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 16, 2019, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 11:57:54 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 15, 2019, 11:39:24 PM
I just like being able to hold something in my hands. It's the same with books.
I also once said that I want to be able to go down to my living room in the morning with a cup of coffee and look at my assortment of movies.
"It's such a nice day today. Should I watch . . . 'Terminator?' Tell Voodoo I'm watching it regularly? 'Twister?' 'Harry Potter?' 'Aliens?' 'Shawshank?'"
Watch the pecs and be hypnotized....
https://media3.giphy.com/media/WAmFPjn5CKPrq/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c6751516455676277630f6d
Watch The Terminator.....
Waaaaaatch the Terrrrrmmmmminaaaatoooorrrr
I hate to say it, but . . . Arnie doesn't work on me. Nice try, though. :laugh:
Fine...
Just leave Arnold.
It's not working.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2019, 12:19:59 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 16, 2019, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 11:57:54 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 15, 2019, 11:39:24 PM
I just like being able to hold something in my hands. It's the same with books.
I also once said that I want to be able to go down to my living room in the morning with a cup of coffee and look at my assortment of movies.
"It's such a nice day today. Should I watch . . . 'Terminator?' Tell Voodoo I'm watching it regularly? 'Twister?' 'Harry Potter?' 'Aliens?' 'Shawshank?'"
Watch the pecs and be hypnotized....
https://media3.giphy.com/media/WAmFPjn5CKPrq/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c6751516455676277630f6d
Watch The Terminator.....
Waaaaaatch the Terrrrrmmmmminaaaatoooorrrr
I hate to say it, but . . . Arnie doesn't work on me. Nice try, though. :laugh:
Fine...
Just leave Arnold.
It's not working.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4f/b4/18/4fb4188533b8fa05c0dba950860bbabe.gif
We're gonna have to get scientific. We need "true lies" Paxton and his wet underwear.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 16, 2019, 12:35:42 AM
We're gonna have to get scientific. We need "true lies" Paxton and his wet underwear.
What?
He did what?
Avatar is essentially a tech demo stretched into a feature length.
^ Truth.
Pre-order is pretty cheap on Best Buy right now.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=alien+4k&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=&sp=&qp=&list=n&af=true&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=alien+4k&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=&sp=&qp=&list=n&af=true&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys)
Official announcement: https://nerdist.com/article/alien-blu-ray-4k-ultra-hd-40th-anniversary/
I'm-a buy that steelbook, although I don't anticipate getting into 4K until my current projector's bulb dies.
I was hoping they'd cram something new in here, like the Tongal films or the upcoming rumored Amanda Ripley series.
I'm kinda hoping the Tongal stuff gets it own release.
This should almost be a 10 out of 10 for picture quality as the blu ray is top notch.
Pre-ordered my Steelbook a few weeks ago now from Zavvi.
Can't wait :-)
Can't imagine how the picture and audio quality could be better. The Blu-ray is brilliant. Regarding the sequels, there is improvement needed. The Blu-ray of Alien 3 has some scene in which the aspect ratio wasn't right. Some were really stretched. I think especially Alien 3 and 4 need an improvement.
@Jones The Cat
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61745.0
Yeah i may have to buy this now for the 1999 Commentary and the isolated scores
Dane Hallett is releasing some amazing, eye-popping posters for the 40th anniversary, making even more baffling Fox's decision to go with those tacky chrome covers.
Release a new Blu-ray anthology that actually has clips for the discs and not those slipspaces that scratch them up. Cover it all in hallet's art and include a Blu-ray of the tongal shorts.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
According to FilmArena (Premium 4K Steelbook creator) the whole saga is coming...
in the next one or two years.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 02:19:14 PM
According to FilmArena (Premium 4K Steelbook creator)]the whole saga is coming...
in the next one or two years.
So it's a definitely coming out, kind of, maybe, I don't know when, and if two years pass and it doesn't, no one will remember I said that, confirmation?
;D
No, they're fairly reliable. Buddy-buddy with Fox.
One or two years seems so noncommittal though. And I wonder if they heard that pre or post Disnox.
https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=2127
Caps
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=16291796&postcount=3164 (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=16291796&postcount=3164)
I'm doubting the inclusion of the short films more and more.
Blu-Ray and 4K Space Jockey Comparison.
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Natural colour returns!
By all accounts the 4K is fantastic.
Apparently branching destroyed the "DC" though.
I wonder if this will have the ol' maximum grain.
Grain was gone in the Anthology restoration iirc.
https://alien-archives.com/2019/04/12/alien-40th-anniversary-4k-uhd-review/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 12, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
Grain was gone in the Anthology restoration iirc.
https://alien-archives.com/2019/04/12/alien-40th-anniversary-4k-uhd-review/
"Grain was gone" is not what super 4K enthusiasts would want to hear. They're all about the natural film grain, especially with older movies, arguing it will present the movie the way the director intended to be seen. DNR digital noise reduction is usually considered the most evil of evils. The 4K enthusiast demand for grain is so crazy, that sometimes studios add grain for texture in post to 4K new movies that didn't even use film in the first place, but rather were filmed digitally. Yep they create artificial grain exclusively for the 4K disc.
I've watched "Predator" and "Predator 2" in 4K and the grain was just too much for me in Predator, too distracting. But so many reviewers found the transfer to be exemplary. It's fascinating.
I digress.
Per the link you shared:
"With that said—there are flaws in this presentation. As with the 2010 Blu-ray, there has been some sort of unnecessary, digital grain management applied to the new 4K transfer, which occasionally results in some odd, potentially distracting abnormalities in the film's natural grain field. For the most part this is not very noticeable, and only the most sensitive or hawk-eyed viewers will notice it."
Predator 1987's grain is 100% the original negative and the reviewer majority is correct, it's fantastic.
It's DNR Blu-ray is garbage.
The 'grain-management' of Alien 4K is a lighter version of DNR.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 12, 2019, 08:10:04 PM
Predator 1987's grain is 100% the original negative.
It's DNR Blu-ray is garbage.
I'm not 100% certain of that. Some of the grain, if I remember correctly, became static and locked into place during the 20th Century Fox logo if I recall correctly. But either way, I found it distracting.
It wasn't filmed in the highest quality to begin with I recall, and while in a dark low-res projected theater screen back in 1987 it looks good, on a super 4k high resolution television screen in 2019 some of the grain was an eyesore in my opinion. The "Predator 2" disc was better fortunately.
QuoteThe 'grain-management' is a version of DNR.
I know. If accurate, the 4K die hards will not be pleased.
The reaction of Blu-ray.com (high 4K enthusiast population) is majority positive.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 12, 2019, 08:21:48 PM
The reaction of Blu-ray.com (high 4K enthusiast population) is majority positive.
Yo sis, what I say. I said so many reviewers found the transfer to be exemplary. And the more grain the better with the die-hards. But sometimes it's too much for me, and for Predator it was too much for me.
I know I'm definitely not the only one. With Predator, Matrix, Close Encounters and more. Go no further than youtube or reddit to find dissenting opinions. I'm not worried if my opinion doesn't align with the 4k enthusiast majority. Cheers.
My post is regarding the Alien 4K transfer.
Geoff D's review;
Spoiler
Quote
Watched the UHD in full last night (Theatrical + 4.1 Audio), it really does look beautiful.
Yes, it has been 'grain managed' to varying degrees and no, this isn't anything to do with "mishandled" or "poorly shot" negatives.
The most overt signs of this treatment are restricted mainly to the examination scene with its smeary frozen grain,
and some of the exteriors of the ship on the planet can look a bit funky.
Apart from those there's a decent enough layer of grain here and there, not sure if it's of the correct vintage but I'll take it.
Detail is terrific, very finely resolved apart from the obvious moments where the focus wasn't nailed back in the day,
as well as a little bit of the usual anamorphic distortion like the softness at the very top and bottom of the frame in some shots.
But given the lenses they used, the likely 5247 stock and that they didn't have an awful lot of light to work with in some scenes,
this was a heroic effort by Derek Vanlint. I always find it funny that older movies shot anamorphic look a good bit sharper
than some modern movies shot on old ana glass, but then Vanlint didn't use much diffusion owing to the slower anamorphic glass
and that he was often running two cameras simultaneously (a Ridley Scott trademark, he'd be operating one and Vanlint the other)
which makes it even more tricky to light it properly for both angles and to hide said lights. Again: this was a heroic effort.
HDR is nicely handled. Certain sources of light are plenty brighter than you've ever seen them but they're not so bright that they distract,
instead it imparts that usual sense of depth and volume to the imagery. Highlight information is newly uncovered all over the place,
unless people are fans of light bulbs then maybe it's not much to get excited about when dealing with something shot entirely on a stage
but even so, it looks so much more naturalistic than the harshly blown out lighting seen on previous transfers.
I LOVED how the strobe lighting looked on Sigourney Weaver's face during the climactic moments,
you can see her expression frozen in place every time the strobe goes off and it comes through with so much clarity now.
(Those bits will of course be uncomfortable to watch if people are sensitive to flashing lights but then they always were.)
And, as with the 4K DCP, you can now see all the spotlights in the Narcissus' engines when Ripley fires them up to expel the Beast at the end.
Black levels are gorgeously dense, after watching the 4K DCP I remarked how much shadow detail seemed to have been soaked up
and now I know it wasn't just that specific cinema presentation. The approach to the blacks reminds of Blade Runner's UHD vs the BD,
in that some shots which had dark crushy blacks on the Alien BD have now been opened up a tad, and shots that had plenty of shadows
on the BD have now been darkened accordingly. Basically there isn't a blanket approach, if this kind of ultra dense black level
had been applied to the whole movie it would have been a bit suffocating IMO. As it is, it's just about perfect.
Colour matches the DCP very well, definitely desaturated vs the previous attempts and a general toning down of the teal menace,
though there's still a subtle green undertone to certain shots here and there. Skin tones look superb, layered and rich,
and those welts on John Hurt's face (look at his lower jaw) when we first see him after he wakes up from being facehugged
seem to be a fair bit angrier.
The transfer still retains a fair bit of 'wobble' during the opening and end credits but that's likely baked in to the original opticals,
the rest of the movie looks rock solid (the DC 'Transmission' scene aside which is very juddery).
Diligent clean-up on the dirt and scratches, the occasional little blip might still sneak through.
Compression is excellent, I've griped a hell of a lot recently (I like griping) about how HEVC + HDR + YCbCr can't handle fire, smoke etc
but this encode takes those notions and flushes them out the nearest airlock as it's pristine, at least to the naked eye.
Perhaps it's precisely because the grain has been managed that the encoding handles it so well?
In any case, I didn't spot any of the usual chroma bugs.
And the movie, OH the movie. I've seen it more times than I can count, saw it again barely five weeks ago,
and it still had me rapt from start to finish. If Ash was a movie fan then he'd love Alien: it's the perfect cinematic organism.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 12, 2019, 08:45:01 PM
My post is regarding the Alien 4K transfer.
DGeoff's review;
Oh sorry. When you said "the reaction of Blu-ray.com" a.k.a. "the high 4K enthusiast population", I figured you meant Predator, because the sample size is so small with Alien. The vast majority on their forum haven't seen Alien 4k yet as they wait for the physical disc to be released.
Apology accepted.
Is DGeoff a forum member? I couldn't find an official blu-ray.com review.
http://tinyurl.com/DGeoffAlien
Yes.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 12, 2019, 09:38:08 PM
http://tinyurl.com/DGeoffAlien
Yes.
Thanks. Sounds good! And I'm all in for "grain managed'.
I also love the member's uncertainty with the grain being at the "correct vintage". That degree of grain analysis is more than I'm willing to commit to. :laugh:
Oh, the level of analysis is crazy.
I can deal with the level of noise reduction in predator. There are a few waxy shots, but overall the jungle and everything else looks fantastic.
Aliens really benefited from dnr from what I saw.
If this pack doesn't come with the Tongal shorts, than its a no go for me.
I'm really looking forward to experiencing the 4K edition on my new 4K television. Thank God natural colours are back and the (grotesque) teal & orange cast is largely (or completely?) absent, along with the boosted contrast levels.
I'm not a fan of the DC (I do enjoy the additional material), but it also deserves to be (proper 4K) archived, alongside the classic 1979 original. Disappointing that the footage, exclusive to that cut, is upscaled only.
Hoping (praying) for a (complete) 4K edition of ALIENS SE.
Ah f**k, now I'll need to update to 4k to get the proper colours back :D
I'm that used to the teal that the natural colours just look strange to me. :laugh:
Hey guys, the 4K UHD Blu-ray came out 3 days ago in Poland. I saw it with my wife and I believe I published one of the very first professional reviews on the Internet:
https://hdtvpolska.com/obcy-recenzja-wydanie-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray/
it is written in Polish but if you click on the British flag at the top of the page, you'll get a Google translation.
There are some shots of the box (the front, back inside) there.
Below is also my quick impressions on the Blu-ray dot com forums (in English):
QuoteI just saw the Director's Cut in 4K UHD with my wife (the film came out today in Poland, actually, and I bough the physical copy). I've always preferred it and I'm proud to say that. I also saw Alien 2 years ago in the cinema in its DC albeit its scan looked very poor in comparison to Aliens remastered in 2010 by Cameron...
I gotta say - some scenes looked bit less focused than the others but then again that's the way Alien looked to me in the cinema 2 years ago as well, so I thought it was a matter of lenses / cameras / lighting / original scan that couldn't be completely fixed.
Make no mistake, though, the 4K UHD is a HUGE improvement over the 1080p version, I checked it meticulously myself. There is also a big difference in grain structure - in 4K UHD version it looks really, really small while it is way bigger in the 1080p version. Combined with much lower resolution, all the darker scenes (coupled with steam, fog, mist, etc.) and lots of motion - the HD version looks like crap at times.
It is especially especially noticeable in all the scenes on LV-426, for example when Kane is descending into egg lair. In the 1080p version you'll see macroblocks, and signs of compression. No such thing in 4K UHD.
Alien is already a quintessence of quality cinematography, colorization, lighting and composition, but this 4K UHD release makes it as good as it was possible from its master. Same goes for its sound track. Yes, it's no Atmos but it'd be extremely difficult to pull it off from 4.1 track.
If you have any questions, I'll be more than happy to assist you, guys :)
For the shots that looked out of focus -- they are actually out of focus, and have been since they shot the movie. Sir Ridley Scott even mentions it in the 20th Anniversary Edition commentary; they were rushing so much towards the end that they just had to go with it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 13, 2019, 11:07:43 AM
I'm that used to the teal that the natural colours just look strange to me. :laugh:
I've only seen the Blu-Ray once so I've not ingrained it in my memory of the movie ;D That said, I don't find the colours on the Blu obnoxious compared to most teal/orange casts; I just love the original look because the 70s cinematography was gorgeous to begin with.
Only once? The best film ever! lol
Yup! Due to being incredibly time and money poor during my transition from full time to freelance work, I was only able to buy the Blu Rays last year ago, and only had time to watch them once since. :) I didn't actually watch the Blu Ray of AR until this year, even!
Another bonus, the DC scenes are framed differently and not as tightly cropped.
4K 40th Anniversary Edition:
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(https://i.postimg.cc/RV16W6vM/c-image-1.jpg)
2010 Blu-ray Release:
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Jzqk2yFT/c-image.jpg)
Yeah, although the 4K DC is a disaster regardless.
No native 4K "Director's Cut" it's "seamless" HDR 1080p material upconversion.
And the DC's starfield alteration is absent.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 13, 2019, 01:44:18 PM
Yeah, although the DC scenes aren't properly integrated.
The upscaling?
Yeah.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2019, 01:03:35 PM
Yup! Due to being incredibly time and money poor during my transition from full time to freelance work, I was only able to buy the Blu Rays last year ago, and only had time to watch them once since. :) I didn't actually watch the Blu Ray of AR until this year, even!
It's amazing how much time one can save by avoiding a canon arguement or like however. Trust me, I had to learn this myself. Cancelled a reply, turned off the forum, and realized hey... I have time to watch a movie! :)
It's all relative.
Is the starfield fixed in this ?
No, it's the Theatrical Version entirely.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 13, 2019, 01:44:18 PM
Yeah, although the 4K DC is a disaster regardless.
No native 4K "Director's Cut" it's "seamless" HDR 1080p material upconversion.
And the DC's starfield alteration is absent.
Actually what you're saying might seem like a gigantic deal on paper, in reality is almost a non-issue given how little extra material there is in the DC and apart from 2-3 scenes, it's rather small tidbits. And the upscaling was done from a 2K DI so to the naked eye it'd be not noticeable. And trust me, I'm an editor at a AV enthusiast website.
What I'd have liked, though, would be some bonus content from 5th Blu-ray disc from the Anthology boxset.
Why?
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 13, 2019, 02:33:50 PM
It's all relative.
They should put that on the welcome sign for the county next to me.
They've got like 5,000 people and only 2 last names.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 13, 2019, 04:00:18 PM
No, it's the Theatrical Version entirely.
Shame they didn't fix this. That is te sort of touch up I like when the director go back and tidy things up.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 13, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
Why?
To create a feel of a curated, complete package for the 40th anniversary.
I actually prefer the theatrical version.
I prefer the original 1979 version but the DC has its moments too. ALIEN (all versions) is a classic.
So, with this release there will now be three different versions of the DC.
I am indeed a fan of the Lambert slap...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2019, 08:25:39 PM
I am indeed a fan of the Lambert slap...
And the Alien slap.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Apr 13, 2019, 08:20:54 PM
I prefer the original 1979 version but the DC has its moments too. ALIEN (all versions) is a classic.
So, with this release there will now be three different versions of the DC.
Now we just need one where Ridley Scott imitates Ripleys voice and dialogue at the end and goes into cryosleep wearing her underwear.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2019, 02:24:24 PM
It's amazing how much time one can save by avoiding a canon arguement or like however. Trust me, I had to learn this myself. Cancelled a reply, turned off the forum, and realized hey... I have time to watch a movie! :)
I can reply to things while I work, I can't watch a two hour movie. And when I can watch a movie I try to prioritise something I haven't seen dozens of times already :)
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2019, 12:42:28 PM
I've only seen the Blu-Ray once so I've not ingrained it in my memory of the movie ;D That said, I don't find the colours on the Blu obnoxious compared to most teal/orange casts; I just love the original look because the 70s cinematography was gorgeous to begin with.
It's the only version I've watched for the last 9 years so it's pretty ingrained on my memory. lol
I've only ever seen the bluray once.
But I saw the quadrilogy dvd about 5 or 6 thousand times.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:40:30 PM
I've only ever seen the bluray once.
But I saw the quadrilogy dvd about 5 or 6 thousand times.
We all know you can't count that high, Huggsy. To twenty tops with your shoes off.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:40:30 PM
I've only ever seen the bluray once.
But I saw the quadrilogy dvd about 5 or 6 thousand times.
We all know you can't count that high, Huggsy. To twenty tops with your shoes off.
21 with my britches down.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:40:30 PM
I've only ever seen the bluray once.
But I saw the quadrilogy dvd about 5 or 6 thousand times.
We all know you can't count that high, Huggsy. To twenty tops with your shoes off.
21 with my britches down.
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I'm happy for you that you didn't say 20.5
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:40:30 PM
I've only ever seen the bluray once.
But I saw the quadrilogy dvd about 5 or 6 thousand times.
We all know you can't count that high, Huggsy. To twenty tops with your shoes off.
21 with my britches down.
Spoiler
I'm happy for you that you didn't say 20.5
Oh, I'm happy with my math. ;D
I've seen each of the first three film's Blu-ray transfers hundreds of times.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 15, 2019, 06:13:12 PM
I've seen each of the first three film's Blu-ray transfers hundreds of times.
I had to read that twice to understand it. ;D
TC, TC, SE specifically.
Nice review. He only gave sound a 6.5 but I'm not a big audiophile anyway. The 8.5 for the picture quality is what I zeroed on.
Plus he was one of the reviewers that dogged Predator's 4k video quality and subsequently got beat up in the comments for it, so my perception seems to align with his.
https://www.starburstmagazine.com/reviews/alien-4oth-anniversary-edition
Starburst's review.
QuoteSure, you may have various other releases of this absolute juggernaut of cinema, but Alien really has never looked better or more terrifying. Whether you pick this up or not will depend on whether you deem the new UHD transfer of this classic as important. If you're a 4K junkie, though, this one is most certainly a must-have.
I've been reading through the Blu-ray thread and even though I prefer the TE, I am disappointed to hear the DC hasn't received the same love.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 12, 2019, 06:40:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ufoBy0tqOU
So this video is being discussed over there too. Apparently it's completely none representative of the 4K edition and the colours are incorrect. You can see that when comparing to the screen caps from the compare website.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 12, 2019, 06:40:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ufoBy0tqOU
I previously watched DVD versions (one or two times), but after blu-ray don't remember them. So, please tell me - Blue filter in 4K edition is natural color of Alien film or just a filter? It looks strange and unusual.
That video isn't a good comparison; the comments point out that the colour space is changed from the actual 4K to what's shown, resulting in weird colours.
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 18, 2019, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 12, 2019, 06:40:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ufoBy0tqOU
I previously watched DVD versions (one or two times), but after blu-ray don't remember them. So, please tell me - Blue filter in 4K edition is natural color of Alien film or just a filter? It looks strange and unusual.
It indeed looks off, but we can't fully be certain of the color deviations yet by any comparison on YouTube. We all need to see it in person. However, the word is there are some variances in color. It will also be interesting how HDR impacts the color. We'll see. :)
In a somewhat related note, I've recently watched both Terminator 2 and Predator 2 both in 4K and neither match their theatrical representations anymore. But while the Predator 2 color deviation is slight, more nuanced, T2 is just in-your-face different.
T2 had heavy work done on it. Alien is supposed to be scanned straight from the original negative. The colour difference should be going from post-colour graded full HD scan to uncolour graded 4K film negative scan.
Yet "Supervised by Ridley Scott" always makes me nervous. ;)
Special Features and Technical Specs:
BRAND NEW 4K RESTORATION OF THE FILM, COMPLETED IN 2018 BY 20TH CENTURY FOX AT COMPANY 3/DELUXE ENTERTAINMENT SERVICES CORP., SUPERVISED BY RIDLEY SCOTT AND PAM DERY, WITH THE 4K SCANS DONE AT EFILM[/b]
Theatrical Version (1979)
Director's Cut (2003)
2003 Audio Commentary by Ridley Scott and the Cast & Crew
1999 Audio Commentary by Ridley Scott (1979 Theatrical Version Only)
Final Theatrical Isolated Score – Dolby Digital 5.1 (1979 Theatrical Version Only)
Composer's Original Isolated Score – Dolby Digital 5.1 (1979 Theatrical Version Only)
Deleted Scenes
Additional 4K Blu-ray Technical Specs:
Audio: English DTS-HD-MA 5.1 / English DTS-HD-MA 4.1 (Theatrical Version Only) / English Surround DTS-HD-MA2 2.0 / Spanish DD 5.1 / French DTS 5.1
Optional English SDH, Spanish, and French subtitles for the main feature
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
Yet "Supervised by Ridley Scott" always makes me nervous. ;)
Why? Did Scott supervise the Blu-Ray?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2019, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
Yet "Supervised by Ridley Scott" always makes me nervous. ;)
Why? Did Scott supervise the Blu-Ray?
Blade Runner comes to mind. Sir Ridley personally supervised, changed and approved the color timing to his liking. Now this was billed as a different cut, so different circumstances, but Gladiator, Alien, either with subtlety or extensive director's cuts, there is still Scott's apparent desire to improve his classics versus having a let-live-as-is attitude like other directors share.
James Cameron seems to have this desire to improve too. Here's an occasion where Cameron wasn't even truthful about digital alterations he made. https://skynetsarmy.net/2017/05/05/james-cameron-wasnt-completely-forthcoming-about-altering-the-digital-effects-in-terminator-2-judgment-day-3d/
That's why Ridley being involved will always make me nervous, even if no changes ultimately come from it.
Blade Runner's 4K transfer is visually magnificent though. A exemplar of the format.
Judgment Day is a trashfire, no comparison.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 18, 2019, 03:25:56 PM
Blade Runner's 4K transfer is visually magnificent though. A exemplar of the format.
Judgment Day is a trashfire, no comparison.
Especially after a handful of reviews I've seen, I have little concern over Alien 4k not looking wonderful.
This discussion is just through the prism of will the colors look like its theatrical release. :)
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2019, 12:14:04 PM
That video isn't a good comparison; the comments point out that the colour space is changed from the actual 4K to what's shown, resulting in weird colours.
Thanks for the clarification. I found another comparison and yes - it's looks great.
Here
https://alien-archives.com/2019/04/12/alien-40th-anniversary-4k-uhd-review/
And here
https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=2127
Iooking at the screenshots I think the D-Theater version looks best.
ahhh, this made my day!!
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57113083_10155983723800474_2532845194882056192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeFMBXHUa_0yL0pPy9uTzWtuNm6EfsAKf1F851wzh-FbWoSbzycZoVcWXpjs8Y3dqUBpUXIXGm_4LrcHoJckT5bS1AfjBVW1Tff0HHHTxcQuPg&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=cc5d86cef24f31dfb36c23b96dc13757&oe=5D37B2E3)
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 18, 2019, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2019, 12:14:04 PM
That video isn't a good comparison; the comments point out that the colour space is changed from the actual 4K to what's shown, resulting in weird colours.
Thanks for the clarification. I found another comparison and yes - it's looks great.
Here
https://alien-archives.com/2019/04/12/alien-40th-anniversary-4k-uhd-review/
And here
https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=2127
Iooking at the screenshots I think the D-Theater version looks best.
Thanks for sharing this Drukathi.
This is what I was worried about:
"Every time the original negative of Alien has been scanned for a fresh remaster, the color of the final product has had to be re-graded and approved by Ridley Scott—and each time, Scott has favored the film to have a slightly different look."
Now they continue to say the 4K is the closest to the theatrical color yet, but does anyone remember Kane looking so blue here, theatrically?
I didn't like the 2010 Blu-ray release at all. The teal & orange cast, the (excessive) black crush, contrast boost and cropped image, turned me right off.
From what I've seen (screen caps) and read, the new 4K edition will have more natural colours and none of the above issues to hobble the presentation. The 4.1 audio (I believe) is also lossless.
The only disappointment (for me), being the sh*t cover art (both egg and Alien versions).
Very much looking forward to seeing this.
Mine came in today. No 4K setup to watch it though. :D
Got my copy early and have just finished. A BIG improvement over the 2010 release - natural colours are back and the teal and orange is gone. The colours are desaturated compared to the 2010 Blu-ray and look much more realistic. Compare the colour of Parker's green cotton shirt between the two releases (the close up shot of him after slamming the incinerator unit down on the table).
The Space Jockey reveal has thankfully been fixed - no neon green spacesuit for Kane - his original tan-coloured suit is back.
Had a look at the DC and am happy with the new colour grading for the DC scenes. The scenes, whilst upscales, don't detract too much from the 4K material either side of it.
All the edits made to the DC are there but not the updated effects - added stars and the three helmet lights, rounding the rock formation during sunrise, are missing - basically the DC without the reworked visual effects. This may qualify as a third version of the DC?
I was hoping the audio would be fixed for the overhead shot of Brett (exclusive to the DC), you can hear his footsteps while still standing motionless, looking around for Jones.
I enjoyed this 40th anniversary edition. A definite step up from the 2010 Anthology release.
I think I preferred the teal/green look of the original transfer but maybe it's because that's what I've been used to all these years. I don't think the HDR makes all that much of a difference because it is supposed to be a dark movie.
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 23, 2019, 06:50:03 AM
I think I preferred the teal/green look of the original transfer but maybe it's because that's what I've been used to all these years. I don't think the HDR makes all that much of a difference because it is supposed to be a dark movie.
Not me - no way! But I will keep the 2010 Blu-ray for the DC.
So...if the shorts aren't on this, does this mean we're getting them on their own separate blu ray release?
Only reason I was buying this was for the shorts.
You get links that take you to the final shorts online.
Means i can save some money then
Quote from: BountyHunter on Apr 23, 2019, 12:05:10 PM
So...if the shorts aren't on this, does this mean we're getting them on their own separate blu ray release?
Only reason I was buying this was for the shorts.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 23, 2019, 12:10:18 PM
You get links that take you to the final shorts online.
Only if you use the code in iTunes. I made the mistake of using it in Movies Anywhere, which does not support the short films.
Where/ when can I purchase just the digital copy? I can't find it on Amazon, google, vudu or Fandango.
It's on itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/movie/alien/id361991150
I've picked up my copy. I've not got a 4K setup to watch it on yet but I've got it. :laugh:
You know you're a true fan when you buy stuff you can't use yet. ;)
We've all done it.
I've done it.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 23, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
You know you're a true fan when you buy stuff you can't use yet. ;)
I don't believe I've purchased product I can't use in regards to A or P, but I do have duplicates of releases.
Does that mean I'm not a truuuuue fan?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 23, 2019, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 23, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
You know you're a true fan when you buy stuff you can't use yet. ;)
I don't believe I've purchased product I can't use in regards to A or P, but I do have duplicates of releases.
Does that mean I'm not a truuuuue fan?
Now now, you know what I meant. ;)
I was under the impression that the blu-ray disc would be a scaled-down copy of the new 4K transfer... but I'm almost positive this is just the exact same disc we got in the Anthology set.
Just throwing this out for anyone who's curious.
I'm not a tech geek (heck I watch torrented movies on a square PC plasma screen from 2007) but I don't get "ultra HD" upgrades of old movies.
Even new cinema movies are still filmed in 24 frames per second so DVD is fine.
The 4K-HD element adds odd movements and frame morphing during films I find. TV is ok but that's because TV is ultra real. Movies need that fantasical haze to differentiate the atmosphere.
...ow, is that a joke?
Ultra HD has nothing to do with frame rate, it's the frame size. The actual size of the image. The films are still 24 frames per second, it's just that they're scanned in a higher resolution digital format.
Folks will convince themselves of anything to justify sticking with dvd after all these years.
"It's cheaper" is still a pretty good argument, but that's about it.
Quote from: David's Creation on Apr 24, 2019, 05:42:53 AM
I was under the impression that the blu-ray disc would be a scaled-down copy of the new 4K transfer... but I'm almost positive this is just the exact same disc we got in the Anthology set.
Just throwing this out for anyone who's curious.
It is indeed the Anthology disc.
Which is a huge shame. I wonder how hard it would have actually been to give us the new transfer at 1080.
Easy, but Capitalism.
And yeah, the Blu-ray annihilates the DVD's visual and audio presentation, and the UHD is superior again.
Anyone can confirm if thr 4kHDR quality is any beneficial to the consumer? Especially in the shot of the planets I'm wondering if the extra bits of colour information show us anything in the dark dark details of the shadowed planets.
Quote from: acrediblesource on Apr 24, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
Anyone can confirm if thr 4kHDR quality is any beneficial to the consumer? Especially in the shot of the planets I'm wondering if the extra bits of colour information show us anything in the dark dark details of the shadowed planets.
Yeah, I notice a difference in sharpness and visible detail. Though it's also more dependent on distance from the screen than 1080p is. HDR also makes a difference depending on the quality of the display implementation.
It's not as big of a jump as the one from DVD to Blu-Ray was, but it's still a jump.
As much as I'd love to get it, it's not enough of a jump for me to justify a $600+ tv and $100+ player and accoutrements.
The anthology blurays are about as perfect as I could ever want.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 24, 2019, 11:44:38 PM
The anthology blurays and Voodoo Magic are about as perfect as I could ever want.
I totally agree.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 25, 2019, 12:31:50 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 24, 2019, 11:44:38 PM
The anthology blurays and Voodoo Magic are about as perfect as I could ever want.
I totally agree.
Well it's true...ish. :laugh:
Quote from: David's Creation on Apr 24, 2019, 05:42:53 AM
I was under the impression that the blu-ray disc would be a scaled-down copy of the new 4K transfer... but I'm almost positive this is just the exact same disc we got in the Anthology set.
Just throwing this out for anyone who's curious.
Studios rarely ever do that. And why would they? Even if they remastered the 1080p transfer, you're not gaining much of anything. No enhanced resolution, no HDR, The 4K set is for people who have the equipment to view 4K stuff. The addition of the 1080p disc is merely a supplement.
The colour and restored picture.
Genuinely restored additionally,
the 2010 Blu-ray is cropped.
Yeah, the colour and proper framing alone kind of make it worth doing a proper Blu-ray print.
18 screenshots comparrasion
Ultra HD (new scan) vs. Full HD (old BluRay):
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=13061&d2=5205&c=2127
This should be waiting for me at home. Great way to spend Alien Day this evening.
So I arrived home and it was there.
The steelbook with the new rendition of the original posters egg is actually not to bad. Much better than the standard cover.
Some promo goodness >>
Less stars as original + li'l different cropping:
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=930448
At the sake of re-reading 18 pages, does the Alien 4K disc include all of the special features the Anthology's 'Alien' disc?
4K Blu-ray Discs never do Special Features other than Commentary, but the majority of them come with a standard Blu-ray Disc with Special Features, Alien's no exception here.
Well I mean, all the Anthology bluray had was audio commentary and some deleted scenes, the vast majority of the special features were on a separate disc.
Yes I'm aware but it is as I outlined above.
The ALIEN 4K disc has the same bonus features as the single BD release.
If you want ALL the bonus material - including the then fancy early DVD menu screens, then hang onto all the previous releases.
The ALIEN 20th anniversary DVD is still valuable for its raw production audio and alternate music track. As well as the film itself - a brighter image without the black crush and tight cropping, as later editions.
Interesting. I knew about the darkening of the film (you used to be able to see eggs in the chamber below Kane as he descends in the matte painting shot), but wasn't aware of the cropping. Any online comparisons you could point me to?
Some screenshots comparing the 1999 and 2003 DVDs:
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1999
(https://i.postimg.cc/XY5Hg5p4/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-30-02-am.jpg)
2003
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjr83j7N/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-35-37-am.jpg)
1999
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJsQvcDc/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-33-24-am.jpg)
2003
(https://i.postimg.cc/nr524VxX/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-38-58-am.jpg)
1999
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHJXDmXj/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-34-15-am.jpg)
2003
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pCcZNmQ/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-39-22-am.jpg)
Thank you for that! (I'm not really seeing any cropping, though)
It's subtle. Look at the right and left edges of the frames.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Nov 23, 2020, 10:30:56 PM
Some screenshots comparing the 1999 and 2003 DVDs:
Spoiler
1999
(https://i.postimg.cc/XY5Hg5p4/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-30-02-am.jpg)
2003
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjr83j7N/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-35-37-am.jpg)
1999
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJsQvcDc/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-33-24-am.jpg)
2003
(https://i.postimg.cc/nr524VxX/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-38-58-am.jpg)
1999
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHJXDmXj/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-34-15-am.jpg)
2003
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pCcZNmQ/Screen-Shot-2020-11-24-at-8-39-22-am.jpg)
Thanks for sharing Elmazalman. I know it's pretty geeky but I love analyzing the differences with these transfers.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2020, 01:08:14 PM
It's subtle. Look at the right and left edges of the frames.
Ah yes, I see it now.
I just had the Legacy dvd up on my projector last night (84" image) and it still looks great compared to the blu-ray, so I might watch that one more often!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Nov 24, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2020, 01:08:14 PM
It's subtle. Look at the right and left edges of the frames.
Ah yes, I see it now.
I just had the Legacy dvd up on my projector last night (84" image) and it still looks great compared to the blu-ray, so I might watch that one more often!
Although the 2003 DVD has improved resolution, I prefer the 1999 release. It has better colours and isn't as contrast boosted as the 2003 DVD.
The 1999 DVD does show more image.
I got rid of my Legacy set when the Quadrilogy came out. I really need to get around to rebuying that.
The 20th anniversary DVD is still one of my favourite home releases. One of the best uses of interactive DVD menus.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
The 20th anniversary DVD is still one of my favourite home releases. One of the best uses of interactive DVD menus.
Having a close look at the main menu screen (when it first starts up), I spotted what looks like a subliminal image, of one of the guy's responsible for the production of the 20th Anniversary DVD (also the ALIEN / ALIENS Laserdisc boxed sets from the early 1990s).
It looks like a subliminal cameo. It's a flash frame of someone with a beard ... you'll have to be quick to spot it.
So, uh, this happened with the 'True Lies' 4K
https://x.com/smartvader/status/1735075077073359099
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 25, 2020, 12:41:46 PMI got rid of my Legacy set when the Quadrilogy came out. I really need to get around to rebuying that.
Likewise. Stupid decision by me.
My former neighbour was an avid VHS collector/resellor. He once invited me over and said take a few of whatever I wanted. Found the old Alien Saga VHS boxset just sitting there. Thank you very much.
I think my brother has the original VHS release of Alien in his collection.