https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/alien-ridley-scott-reveals-how-iconic-scene-went-wrong-1213109?
QuoteAs the sci-fi classic turns 40, the filmmaker recalls doubling his budget in a single meeting with Fox, Warren Beatty recommending Sigourney Weaver as Ripley and how that chestburster scene almost went completely wrong.
QuoteTo his credit, studio CEO Alan Ladd Jr. wisely did not seek to simply clone the heroic bravado storytelling of George Lucas' space fantasy that audiences were lining up to see over and over and over — and producers were stumbling over each other to replicate.
"Laddie is honestly a formidably good spotter of good material," comments Scott. "Look at his track record: Before Alien and Star Wars, you're looking at Omen, then you're looking at Star Wars, then you look at me, then you're looking at Braveheart. This guy's clearly got good judgment on good material."
Absolute mad lad.
QuoteRuminating on the immediate future of the Alien franchise, now that Disney has acquired 21st Century Fox, Scott confirms that there are discussions for future installments, but warns that if the basic premise of "the beast" does not evolve like the Xenomorph itself, the "joke" gets old.
QuoteInexorably tied to the Alien franchise for 40 years now, Scott insists that pushing a fresh take and not overly rehashing the nostalgic may just be the key to maintaining multiple life cycles in the future. "Go on, leave that behind, and see where it can evolve," he declares. "So we're looking where we're going to evolve."
I'm not opposed to change, but damn is that a slippery slope when it comes to him...
Still, one more movie by him, with David and then something else please.
Remember the alien is "cooked", no one wants to see them anymore.
Bald albinos, ghouliens, and evil robots are what people want now. so fresh so evolved.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 25, 2019, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 24, 2019, 06:32:22 PM
Quote"evolve."
His favourite word. :laugh:
When Scott says "evolve" he thinks "I have no plan" ;) He goes with the flow.
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Quote"I think Alien vs. Predator was a daft idea. And I'm not sure it did very well or not, I don't know."
It did: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=alien.htm
Quote from: King geedorah on May 25, 2019, 07:35:57 PM
Bald albinos, ghouliens, and evil robots
Sign me the f**k up tbh
Call me crazy, but the Alien is kind of an important element of the Alien franchise. I love hearing Scott talk about his experience with the first film, but as far as his ideas regarding the franchise now and where to take it, couldn't disagree more. I think the 40th Anniversary shorts and Alien Isolation both proved his hypothesis incorrect.
Darn monsters ruining their own movies.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 25, 2019, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: King geedorah on May 25, 2019, 07:35:57 PM
Bald albinos, ghouliens, and evil robots
Sign me the f**k up tbh
With a solid script and a good execution you can have the Alien and the new stuff working perfectly.
God, and this guy is still ranting about the AvP franchise. Like that was the nail in the coffin. The Alien EU would have stopped in it´s comic run without the crossover. Most likely it even fertilized the fan dome and gave spark to it.
Dearly hope this "mother nature" and "evolve" bullshit is not going any further. The whole Space Jockey (not the blue, bald, bastards), it´s biomechanical ship and the Xenomorph itself are way outside our perception of nature and evolution. A different path of life´s development, either way older than ours or ahead of ours, in a matter of an universal time line.
SCOTT STOP!!!!! Don´t be the f**king Theresa May of the ALIEN franchise!
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 26, 2019, 02:32:59 AM
Call me crazy, but the Alien is kind of an important element of the Alien franchise. I love hearing Scott talk about his experience with the first film, but as far as his ideas regarding the franchise now and where to take it, couldn't disagree more. I think the 40th Anniversary shorts and Alien Isolation both proved his hypothesis incorrect.
So essentially - "Hey Ridley! There's still life in the Alien! Just look at these short films and video game that are highly derivative of that movie you made. Just make that movie you made again."
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Quote"I think Alien vs. Predator was a daft idea."
Ridley Scott's right, it is daft.
Quote from: SM on May 26, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 26, 2019, 02:32:59 AM
Call me crazy, but the Alien is kind of an important element of the Alien franchise. I love hearing Scott talk about his experience with the first film, but as far as his ideas regarding the franchise now and where to take it, couldn't disagree more. I think the 40th Anniversary shorts and Alien Isolation both proved his hypothesis incorrect.
So essentially - "Hey Ridley! There's still life in the Alien! Just look at these short films and video game that are highly derivative of that movie you made. Just make that movie you made again."
You know you can disagree with an opinion without shitting on it, yeah?
They were derivative in terms of style and tone for sure, they still told intriguing new stories with new characters and expanded the universe in a way that most enjoyed. Prometheus and Covenant were pretty derivative themselves in terms of following the story beats of Alien...
People discover signal/map > land on planet > explore derelict spacecraft > come into contact with contagion > infected crew-member dies in dramatic fashion > remaining crew must survive against threat.
Now Alien, Prometheus, and Covenant have different themes they explore, and styles they present, but on a basic level, Scott remade Alien twice, with two of them vastly inferior to the first.
Do I think Scott should finish his trilogy? I'm really torn on that one, perhaps half of the fan-base (I'd guess) enjoyed the prequels, and yeah it's not fair to them to have such a cliff-hanger not followed through on. It's a bad look for the franchise as well to leave such massive set ups without payoffs. Still, I personally feel enough damage has been done to the mystery of Alien and the Space Jockey that whatever Scott has planned next could prove even more divisive than Prometheus and Covenant have.
I think the franchise can try new things for sure, but this is kind of like hearing JJ Abrams talk about how he didn't like Star Trek while directing the reboot... 'why are you making a Star Trek movie then?'
Eh, Giger's aesthetic was never predicated so much on all this appeal to "mystery," he envisioned a future where human sexuality and technology were in union and transfiguration. The origins are still in keeping with a shoggoth-esque chaos of uncertain origins, made more explicitly sexual by a deranged, sexually repressed A.I.; having spliced all manner of alien flora and fauna. I can imagine a scenario where the next film will leave it open whether David is ultimately responsible or whether he simply re-animated an ancient beast, much in the same way that Villeneuve ultimately left the Deckard replicant question open in 2049. I see that as a diplomatic solution.
If the Alien is played out just invent an entirely new IP. Give the Alien reigns to someone that wants to use the creature.
Getting a bit sick of Ridley Scott at this point.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 26, 2019, 09:13:32 AM
Eh, Giger's aesthetic was never predicated so much on all this appeal to "mystery," he envisioned a future where human sexuality and technology were in union and transfiguration.
I totally agree with you. I'm alright with
Quote from: King geedorah on May 25, 2019, 07:35:57 PM
Bald albinos, ghouliens, and evil robots
Really - I love Engineers (LV-223 the last engineer truly biomechanoid) and neomorphs. But I don't understand - why they don't use biomechanical aesthetic more? This is a face of Alien Universe. Not caveman-style.
Look at this.
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Why instead this we have rocks? My answer - it has more mystery. ;D
Ridley often speaks about biomechanical, but - where is it? 30-sec Scorpion ship in Covenant?
I hope Disney will return to Giger's vision.
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 26, 2019, 08:15:00 AM
Quote from: SM on May 26, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 26, 2019, 02:32:59 AM
Call me crazy, but the Alien is kind of an important element of the Alien franchise. I love hearing Scott talk about his experience with the first film, but as far as his ideas regarding the franchise now and where to take it, couldn't disagree more. I think the 40th Anniversary shorts and Alien Isolation both proved his hypothesis incorrect.
So essentially - "Hey Ridley! There's still life in the Alien! Just look at these short films and video game that are highly derivative of that movie you made. Just make that movie you made again."
You know you can disagree with an opinion without shitting on it, yeah?
They were derivative in terms of style and tone for sure, they still told intriguing new stories with new characters and expanded the universe in a way that most enjoyed. Prometheus and Covenant were pretty derivative themselves in terms of following the story beats of Alien...
People discover signal/map > land on planet > explore derelict spacecraft > come into contact with contagion > infected crew-member dies in dramatic fashion > remaining crew must survive against threat.
Now Alien, Prometheus, and Covenant have different themes they explore, and styles they present, but on a basic level, Scott remade Alien twice, with two of them vastly inferior to the first.
Do I think Scott should finish his trilogy? I'm really torn on that one, perhaps half of the fan-base (I'd guess) enjoyed the prequels, and yeah it's not fair to them to have such a cliff-hanger not followed through on. It's a bad look for the franchise as well to leave such massive set ups without payoffs. Still, I personally feel enough damage has been done to the mystery of Alien and the Space Jockey that whatever Scott has planned next could prove even more divisive than Prometheus and Covenant have.
I think the franchise can try new things for sure, but this is kind of like hearing JJ Abrams talk about how he didn't like Star Trek while directing the reboot... 'why are you making a Star Trek movie then?'
The opinion is made up of a circular argument. People like the shorts and Isolation because they're highly and deliberately derivative of Alien. For good or ill Prometheus and Covenant went in very different directions from Alien. The shorts and Isolation didn't. They traded on nostalgia, and did a pretty good of it.
Ridley doesn't want to do a rehash of what he did in Alien - otherwise he would have done it by now - and insinuating he did that with Prometheus and Covenant is highly disingenuous.
Perhaps my comment slathered on the snark too much, for which I apologise, but it's a silly argument.
It's fine. I don't mean to accuse Prometheus and Covenant of being complete rehashes, there's a lot they did new and I actually enjoy plenty of elements from both.
I would love to see a movie about Weyland and Weyland Yutani corporations. And, who authorized and how the order 937 came to be.
He did more than just help create the Alien mythology, he merged Texas Chainsaw Massacre with it. Take a bunch of people, send them to a haunted house to unlock something, they unlocked it, and they all get killed in the process of escaping except for one survivor. IT is the alien and where it came from is the whole Alien mythology. Change it up, but if it just get's mediocre and not at all mind creepy, then what is the point.
If evolution means making it kid friendly, that will kill the franchise. Prometheus is the step up but they didn't make it creepy enough. I think Prometheus is the closest we get to an an audience drawing evolution.
If it gets watered down any more and its killed. I say they should take Prometheus and creep it up even furthur with new designs, deeper mythos. HR Giger was Alien. Take that out and its killed.
"And you can't keep repeating that because the joke gets boring."Weeee!
Quote from: locusta on May 26, 2019, 06:19:57 AM
God, and this guy is still ranting about the AvP franchise. Like that was the nail in the coffin. The Alien EU would have stopped in it´s comic run without the crossover. Most likely it even fertilized the fan dome and gave spark to it.
Yep. We've had people in this very forum indicate that they were drawn into the fold, i.e. Alien & Predator fandom, because of AvP content.
Ridley Scott is the wrong man for this job and I hope he will not get the opportunity to do another alien movie.
Yeah, it's time to hand the reigns over to James Cameron to manage this franchise. If he's so inclined.
Sorry Ridley, I respect your work on the original Alien obviously, but the prequels are trash so I think we need someone different to take over this franchise.
Sigh, I really just want to see the prequel narrative finished. But I'm afraid they'll just play it safe and do a straightforward reboot.
Alien isn't who's appendage and foil, AVP is nothing to Alien franchise.
Mr.Scott The Beast isnt Dead ,its just the crappy story telling yall doing that sucks .I will always love Alien,Aliens and Alien 3 .Any of the films after that are Garbage .Ps.Shoulda Left Ripley dead And went back to the Ship on Lv 426 for a alien 4 With some of waylands goons haha.yea the blast was big in Aliens but I think still to this day the ship survived that had the eggs in it
Quote from: SM on May 26, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 26, 2019, 02:32:59 AM
Call me crazy, but the Alien is kind of an important element of the Alien franchise. I love hearing Scott talk about his experience with the first film, but as far as his ideas regarding the franchise now and where to take it, couldn't disagree more. I think the 40th Anniversary shorts and Alien Isolation both proved his hypothesis incorrect.
So essentially - "Hey Ridley! There's still life in the Alien! Just look at these short films and video game that are highly derivative of that movie you made. Just make that movie you made again."
Yes!
Again, new ideas and all good.
But the script's execution is the most important thing.
Id say they should lose the prequel status and just go for it.
Let the audience get surprised and the makers be creative, no restriction either to lore or other film continuity.
If there's no restriction - then just make something else entirely.
People like a certain level of continuity. Otherwise they still wouldn't be complaining about egg(s) and facehugger(s) from Alien 3, 27 years later.
Insisting upon such restraints also got me nearly tarred and feathered back in the day. I was decried for stifling the imagination of fans who didn't understand the concept of rules within a fictional universe.
It would be really cool if David Fincher made a video like this for the 40th anniversary of Alien3.
I don't think Alien3's 40th will be quite as celebrated.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 27, 2019, 12:43:37 AM
I don't think Alien3's 40th will be quite as celebrated.
I'll do my best.
Quote from: Huggs on May 27, 2019, 12:55:37 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 27, 2019, 12:43:37 AM
I don't think Alien3's 40th will be quite as celebrated.
I'll do my best.
I would never think otherwise. :)
Quote from: SM on May 26, 2019, 09:10:52 PM
If there's no restriction - then just make something else entirely.
People like a certain level of continuity. Otherwise they still wouldn't be complaining about egg(s) and facehugger(s) from Alien 3, 27 years later.
Different timelines, that always works great also, with or without continuity as long as it's within the current Alien world. No more hybrids. Big chaps running around on the loose in ones, twos or threes or more causing havoc or just stalking about. Protomorphs and Neomorphs look ok too for different situations or locations in that part of the Galaxy. You can pretty much go all over the place like in the comics and keep it very interesting, but with smart strict editing, no open helmets on any exoplanets, no cheesey CGI, more science and smarter dialogue, although Prometheus and Covenant have been good there, can be a bit better though. Should have 1 or 2 movies with different timelines getting produced every year or 2. ;)
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Yeah, I'm sure that'll work.
He said without sarcasm.
God bless you Mr. Scott.
even covenant was disappointment, I still want to see how prequel saga ends. Hope disney give him one last chance.
I love the prequels. I hope he can finishes David's story arc :P .
Quote from: Alien_Scott on May 27, 2019, 07:37:15 AM
God bless you Mr. Scott.
OMG!! Are the Disney bots already at work here? :D :D :D
Ridley needs to step back honestly. It must be burning him up that Blade Runner got away from him, but turning the focus of Alien to be about replicants is going too far. Let someone else take the reigns, be a producer instead.
It's weird that with the big studio trend of hiring fresh new talent for big blockbusters, Alien is currently the one stuck in a rut by not doing so. Especially considering its history of taking chances on up and coming directors. The recent short films done for Alien Day had a wealth of creativity and good dramatic action, something that's been pretty hit or miss with the last couple of movies. The franchise needs new blood, not to be beholden to one guy who's surrounded by yes men that dare not challenge "the visionary."
Quote from: dinosauriac on May 27, 2019, 01:12:56 PM
Ridley needs to step back honestly. It must be burning him up that Blade Runner got away from him, but turning the focus of Alien to be about replicants is going too far. Let someone else take the reigns, be a producer instead.
It certainly seems that way doesn't it.
Quote from: locusta on May 27, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
Quote from: Alien_Scott on May 27, 2019, 07:37:15 AM
God bless you Mr. Scott.
OMG!! Are the Disney bots already at work here? :D :D :D
Have you created a model of the Covenant version yet?
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 27, 2019, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: locusta on May 27, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
Quote from: Alien_Scott on May 27, 2019, 07:37:15 AM
God bless you Mr. Scott.
OMG!! Are the Disney bots already at work here? :D :D :D
Have you created a model of the Covenant version yet?
LOL :D:D:D
Enough answer?
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@Local Trouble, seriously mate, I do despise that design and the movie with a passion and think the whole prequel idea was a burning trash bin from the start. The creature designs are an insult to Giger´s genius and to all biomechanics lovers.
I'm a biomechanics lover, I do not feel insulted by either the "Protomorph" or the excellent Neomorph design.
Everything else is just designed poorly.
An Alien movie should involve the Alien, it's not rocket science... And you can do that with adding new ideas. The beast is not cooked. As mentioned, if you want to do new things, do it in anew movie. Don't use the Alien as a jumping of point for pet projects.
I like David and some of the new ideas of the prequels. But if they stray away any further from the beast, I'm worried where they'd go. AI on its own doesn't sound too intriguing to be done here. I mean, there are so many good shows and movies nowadays that have explored this.
If they throw away the Giger/Lovercraftian/horror aspects of the Alien universe, things will go bad if you don't even have the main creature featured anymore.
Saying that, I'd be completely fine with a show about the marines, WY, or normal working life in the universe because it has style and a rich atmosphere. But that's different, that's not so much throwing away the old as much as it is just shining a light on other aspects of the universe.
But throwing away the old to introduce something new is not really fun.
You want to do new stuff? Do it in a new movie.
Want to play in the Alien sandbox? Then play in the ALIEN sandbox.
A lot of us like these movies because it has a horrific, unique and interesting creature. Thanks to that cooked beast, we have fallen in love with the whole cinematic universe and got introduced to a whole range of things.
I'm really worried that Ridley really doesn't know what to do with the Alien at all anymore. I like David, but wasn't his thing the fact that he made an Alien? So how can you just focus on AI without focusing on his ambition anymore? Or are we headed for another 180?
Shows and movies about AI are all over the place. Doing that is not original anymore at all. And knowing how loose his scripts are, his AI movie won't be the best one. Alien is no more spent that our human fear of AI and the unknown. It doesn't matter how old these ideas are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_wfXJFhanw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_wfXJFhanw)
Quote from: Still Collating... on May 27, 2019, 04:10:22 PM
An Alien movie should involve the Alien, it's not rocket science... And you can do that with adding new ideas. The beast is not cooked. As mentioned, if you want to do new things, do it in anew movie. Don't use the Alien as a jumping of point for pet projects.
I like David and some of the new ideas of the prequels. But if they stray away any further from the beast, I'm worried where they'd go. AI on its own doesn't sound too intriguing to be done here. I mean, there are so many good shows and movies nowadays that have explored this.
If they throw away the Giger/Lovercraftian/horror aspects of the Alien universe, things will go bad if you don't even have the main creature featured anymore.
Saying that, I'd be completely fine with a show about the marines, WY, or normal working life in the universe because it has style and a rich atmosphere. But that's different, that's not so much throwing away the old as much as it is just shining a light on other aspects of the universe.
But throwing away the old to introduce something new is not really fun.
You want to do new stuff? Do it in a new movie.
Want to play in the Alien sandbox? Then play in the ALIEN sandbox.
A lot of us like these movies because it has a horrific, unique and interesting creature. Thanks to that cooked beast, we have fallen in love with the whole cinematic universe and got introduced to a whole range of things.
I'm really worried that Ridley really doesn't know what to do with the Alien at all anymore. I like David, but wasn't his thing the fact that he made an Alien? So how can you just focus on AI without focusing on his ambition anymore? Or are we headed for another 180?
Shows and movies about AI are all over the place. Doing that is not original anymore at all. And knowing how loose his scripts are, his AI movie won't be the best one. Alien is no more spent that our human fear of AI and the unknown. It doesn't matter how old these ideas are.
Well said!
Quote from: The Old One on May 27, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
I'm a biomechanics lover, I do not feel insulted by either the "Protomorph" or the excellent Neomorph design.
Everything else is just designed poorly.
Same, agree 100%.
I think it makes sense that the series turn-away from the basic formula for now. If nothing else, intentional or not, Scott's prequels proved that new creature developments were more interesting than the same old. I don't necessarily love the direction the story took, but for the most part, everyone seems to be in agreement about the inclusion of the alien in Covenant - it's the weakest part of the film. As happy as I was to see it, a certain reverence for it is MIA. Even with something great like Alien: Isolation, the creature is the least interesting part. The world building and the atmosphere was the real draw. Even the "working Joe's" prove to me that they need to add some developments to make it interesting again. The digital short depicted the aliens hibernating in space; that was a nice touch! This is also, unfortunately, not something I think the prequels achieved. They almost do but keep side-stepping committing to any interesting developments. It almost feels like they are doing so because they couldn't think of anything to add to it or weren't confident enough with their new developments.
Some interesting developments I noticed, which got sidetracked -
1. Egg morphing
2. Deacon on LV223
3. The Octopus-like squeezing of the xeno-body in the Engineers script
4. David experimenting on Shaw
5. Ultramorph
6. Excretion of cocoon-substance from the alien's groin
7. The bizarre religious practices of the Engineers and cryptic use of the black goo.
8. Neomorphs
9. Cave under LV426
I am also very concerned about Ridley's handling of the creatures. Its as if he forgot that the Alien should remain in the shadows and that hurt the last film most, IMO.
I don't think the alien itself needs to be marginalized, but I think the story needs to go somewhere else that captures the spirit while also not sticking to the formula. I can't disagree with Ridley that it has gotten tired.
The one thing I'll definitely give Scott for the prequels is that the series is definitely WIDE OPEN with possibilities.... for better or worse and in some ways both.
With the recent success of the Halloween and now Terminator franchises, both bringing back their iconic female leads, I'm personally torn between wanting Disney to involve Cameron and Weaver in a proper Aliens-like direction, and/or letting Scott further evolve it. I just hope they get someone in there to make sure the scripts can maintain that tense, suspenseful, entertainment factor. Both of Scott's prequels managed to build a great deal of suspense up until their key scenes - the medpod and backburster sequences - but then they both fall flat. I'm not sure how that slipped by in the writing/editing processes.
Quote from: CainsSon on May 27, 2019, 06:02:24 PM
The world building and the atmosphere was the real draw.
Some interesting developments I noticed, which got sidetracked -
1. Egg morphing
2. Deacon on LV223
3. The Octopus-like squeezing of the xeno-body in the Engineers script
4. David experimenting on Shaw
5. Ultramorph
6. Excretion of cocoon-substance from the alien's groin
7. The bizarre religious practices of the Engineers and cryptic use of the black goo.
8. Neomorphs
9. Cave under LV426
I am also very concerned about Ridley's handling of the creatures. Its as if he forgot that the Alien should remain in the shadows and that hurt the last film most, IMO.
The one thing I'll definitely give Scott for the prequels is that the series is definitely WIDE OPEN with possibilities.... for better or worse and in some ways both.
Thumbs Up x 100 :)
if disney the ruiner of franchises keeps their hands off this project, could be a decent pic.
ridley if you're reading this. resurrect shaw.
I watch alien for alien, not Terminator.
I agree.that the series needs.to evolve, but I'm not.keen on Ridley Scott. AvP as an idea isn't daft. The people hired to make it a reality were daft.
He can keep the core of the Alien and do new things if he is talented enough still. As others have said though, play in the Alien sandbox.
Even if I can't be totally on board with Ridley's vision for the future of franchise i just can't help but respect the man for being honest with his opinion. I think Ridley isn't jerk and realise that he often says not the most popular and anticipated things. But again he has his own different vision and I respect him just for that.
Quote from: Kradan on May 27, 2019, 09:55:29 PM
Even if I can't be totally on board with Ridley's vision for the future of franchise i just can't help but respect the man for being honest with his opinion. I think Ridley isn't jerk and realise that he often says not the most popular and anticipated things. But again he has his own different vision and I respect him just for that.
I'd rather the films didn't try and fill in explanations, but I'd be interested in where he goes with the AI ideas.
Quote from: FenGiddel on May 28, 2019, 02:23:00 AM
Quote from: Kradan on May 27, 2019, 09:55:29 PM
Even if I can't be totally on board with Ridley's vision for the future of franchise i just can't help but respect the man for being honest with his opinion. I think Ridley isn't jerk and realise that he often says not the most popular and anticipated things. But again he has his own different vision and I respect him just for that.
I'd rather the films didn't try and fill in explanations, but I'd be interested in where he goes with the AI ideas.
I'd be interested in a sci-fi thriller (set in the Alien universe) about a space colony inhabited by synthetics.
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 27, 2019, 08:16:44 PM
I watch alien for alien, not Terminator.
You assume the title is in reference to the xenomorph.
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 28, 2019, 02:43:16 AM
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 27, 2019, 08:16:44 PM
I watch alien for alien, not Terminator.
You assume the title is in reference to the xenomorph.
Yup. AI can be alienish sometimes.
Weird is good, but a good script and unnerving your audience with fear is more important.
Alien 1979 is all about fear of the unknown as much as it is about it's sexual subtext.
Leave the politics in the politics board. Any further attempts to continue that angle will be deleted.
Alien: Covenant has grown on me. Granted, I didn't like it upon first theater viewing, but I think that was just me being butt-hurt that it didn't live up to my expectations or they didn't much as much time and effort on the xenomorph as they should have, but it has actually added to and complemented the series and I honestly think Sir Ridley should kind of leave well enough alone - if he must make a third film, just have it be about what happens to David, and focus on the Neomorphs and the Engineers and leave the Xeno alone (imo).
Quote from: D. Compton Ambrose on May 28, 2019, 02:01:45 PM
Alien: Covenant has grown on me. Granted, I didn't like it upon first theater viewing, but I think that was just me being butt-hurt that it didn't live up to my expectations or they didn't much as much time and effort on the xenomorph as they should have, but it has actually added to and complemented the series and I honestly think Sir Ridley should kind of leave well enough alone - if he must make a third film, just have it be about what happens to David, and focus on the Neomorphs and the Engineers and leave the Xeno alone (imo).
I think Ridley is thinking along those lines. He's obviously tired of the xenomorph. It does what it does. Chases people around and kills them. A psychotic robot trying to become God/Satan is infinitely more interesting at this point imo. I think there is room for some courageous narrative tweaks to the xeno mythos, but Disney is going to play it safe. My prediction is that they'll put two film into production simultaneously. One that finishes the prequel trilogy, and another, safer sequel-esque movie that continues Aliens via tons of nostalgia and action. They'll get Signourney, Biehn, and Henn back. That's where the big potential interest and money is, even if I ultimately sigh at the thought.
Quote from: D. Compton Ambrose on May 28, 2019, 02:01:45 PM
Sir Ridley should kind of leave well enough alone - if he must make a third film, just have it be about what happens to David, and focus on the Neomorphs and the Engineers and leave the Xeno alone (imo).
He can't, because the third prequel will be the final prequel before Alien. And how the prequel to Big Chap will work without Big Chap? Do you can imagine Revenge of the Sith without Dart Vader or Palpatine? ???
Quote from: D. Compton Ambrose on May 28, 2019, 02:01:45 PM
Alien: Covenant has grown on me. Granted, I didn't like it upon first theater viewing, but I think that was just me being butt-hurt that it didn't live up to my expectations or they didn't much as much time and effort on the xenomorph as they should have, but it has actually added to and complemented the series and I honestly think Sir Ridley should kind of leave well enough alone - if he must make a third film, just have it be about what happens to David, and focus on the Neomorphs and the Engineers and leave the Xeno alone (imo).
True, It grew on me also. Better to have no Aliens than that ugly CGI thingy. Fox keeps thinking Aliens is a happy go lucky action monster flick. As soon as I saw the main cover of the movie, with that Alien on board the ship thrashing around like a dumb pos, I said to myself again they're going the wrong direction. If that's all they can come up with than yea, better to just stick to AI and world building than mindless Aliens running around like dummies.
Yeah they never do that.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2019, 02:46:15 AM
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Quote from: Predwars24 on May 27, 2019, 08:16:44 PM
I watch alien for alien, not Terminator.
You assume the title is in reference to the xenomorph.
Yup. AI can be alienish sometimes.
Yes, but the Androids in the Prequels aren't really all that alien. They actually act more human than anything, I guess in that aspect they can be terrifying but in technical terms they aren't really alien at least not to me. Yes when I go to an Alien film I expect a Xenomorph, isn't that the creature we've kept our entire focus on? I mean right from the beginning we've only really focused on the xenomorph or a creature very similar in biology. If Aliens, Alien 3, and Resurrection had shifted focus and looked at other terrifying creatures from deep space that weren't the xeno, my opinion might be changed. However since this isn't cloverfield yes I expect the focus to be what it's always been on.
There is nothing alien about David. His A.I. is based on a man, too much, he was made too human. There is nothing unknown and unfamiliar on what he is and is doing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 28, 2019, 01:08:28 PM
Leave the politics in the politics board. Any further attempts to continue that angle will be deleted.
can you delete my account. don't want to be on a site that discourages free expression.
But of what value is free expression that is off-topic?
No more Scott the old man has lost his touch...if there was ever one
I made an analogy, didn't know that made it political.
I couldn't think of anything else that could get my point across.
Quote from: darkvegett0 on May 29, 2019, 12:37:25 AM
No more Scott the old man has lost his touch...if there was ever one
I couldn't think.
Oof :D
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 28, 2019, 11:36:39 PM
There is nothing alien about David. His A.I. is based on a man, too much, he was made too human. There is nothing unknown and unfamiliar on what he is and is doing.
An A.I. that goes rogue to create a xenomorph and considers himself the devil is pretty alien.
Quote from: question11 on May 28, 2019, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 28, 2019, 01:08:28 PM
Leave the politics in the politics board. Any further attempts to continue that angle will be deleted.
can you delete my account. don't want to be on a site that discourages free expression.
It's off topic. ::)
bai
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 28, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2019, 02:46:15 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 28, 2019, 02:43:16 AM
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 27, 2019, 08:16:44 PM
I watch alien for alien, not Terminator.
You assume the title is in reference to the xenomorph.
Yup. AI can be alienish sometimes.
Yes, but the Androids in the Prequels aren't really all that alien.
I never said that. :-X
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 28, 2019, 11:20:41 PMThey actually act more human than anything
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Quote from: Predwars24 on May 28, 2019, 11:20:41 PMI guess in that aspect they can be terrifying but in technical terms they aren't really alien at least not to me.
(https://i.imgur.com/3cNbBGN.jpg)
But seriously, I didn't say that David is like an alien. I mean artificial intelligence in general, and Ridley's previous wishes to explore this topic in depth. So maybe I'm talking about things like...the transcendence/transformation of David into something else, a literal alien AI of extraterrestrial origin as the last legacy of a long-gone civilization, biomechanical intelligent beings (like the Space Jockey before the Engineers), an equivalent of MU-TH-UR 6000 in the Engineers/Space Jockeys vessels. etc.
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 28, 2019, 11:20:41 PMYes when I go to an Alien film I expect a Xenomorph, isn't that the creature we've kept our entire focus on?
But but! there aren't humans in the Alien universe, just aliens (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60628.0) :) (JK)
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 28, 2019, 11:20:41 PMI mean right from the beginning we've only really focused on the xenomorph or a creature very similar in biology. If Aliens, Alien 3, and Resurrection had shifted focus and looked at other terrifying creatures from deep space that weren't the xeno, my opinion might be changed. However since this isn't cloverfield yes I expect the focus to be what it's always been on.
(https://i.imgur.com/nUphEOX.gif)
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 29, 2019, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 28, 2019, 11:36:39 PM
There is nothing alien about David. His A.I. is based on a man, too much, he was made too human. There is nothing unknown and unfamiliar on what he is and is doing.
An A.I. that goes rogue to create a xenomorph and considers himself the devil is pretty alien.
Good point. Also, maybe it's like a cosmic cycle, and the same thing happened eons ago:
(https://i.imgur.com/W3TqAtw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/L9SCCzY.jpg)
An ancient civilization ends up being enslaved and finally destroyed by machines, kinda like the ending of Battlestar Galactica, but without religious stuff of course:
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 29, 2019, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 28, 2019, 11:36:39 PM
There is nothing alien about David. His A.I. is based on a man, too much, he was made too human. There is nothing unknown and unfamiliar on what he is and is doing.
An A.I. that goes rogue to create a xenomorph and considers himself the devil is pretty alien.
"goes rogue" meaning he goes human and decides to act like one and be free instead of continuing to be a machine on slavery. Going rogue is a human thing.
Considering himself to the devil? Misanthropy? Emotional anger? Conflicted feelings towards Shaw? All human things. There is nothing unfamiliar about any of that. Plenty of men went there. David is just behaving like an emotional depressive angry man. Merely a consequence of an accurate A.I. based on a human male put into a plastic body. I don't see anything alien about that.
Honestly, I love the David Character, almost or just as much as Ash. Bishop is great too but not as intriguing as those 2. David's character is just awesome, would love to see the sequel made but with a bit more focus and story towards the Alien also. I didn't except though he'd take over the whole story. I liked the way he was used in Prometheus, that David was much more liked I'd think. Now he's become a bit annoying.
It'd be freaky if David and the cargo were captured by real Space Jockeys and his anatomy and experiments were blended together to create a bio-mechanical Alien. I'd imagine trying to create that entire scene would be messy and complicated though.....
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 29, 2019, 01:56:04 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 29, 2019, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 28, 2019, 11:36:39 PM
There is nothing alien about David. His A.I. is based on a man, too much, he was made too human. There is nothing unknown and unfamiliar on what he is and is doing.
An A.I. that goes rogue to create a xenomorph and considers himself the devil is pretty alien.
"goes rogue" meaning he goes human and decides to act like one and be free instead of continuing to be a machine on slavery. Going rogue is a human thing.
Considering himself to the devil? Misanthropy? Emotional anger? Conflicted feelings towards Shaw? All human things. There is nothing unfamiliar about any of that. Plenty of men went there. David is just behaving like an emotional depressive angry man. Merely a consequence of an accurate A.I. based on a human male put into a plastic body. I don't see anything alien about that.
A.I. is literally alien lol. You only see human similarities because that's what you're looking for. Nothing about David is human other than his appearance and the facade he maintains because of his programming, which he breaks.
Which part of his programming did he break?
The runtime needs to be at least 2 hours and 30 minutes.
Wasn't Walter made to be less "Human" because the David model was too "Human"?
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 29, 2019, 06:24:16 AM
A.I. is literally alien lol. You only see human similarities because that's what you're looking for. Nothing about David is human other than his appearance and the facade he maintains because of his programming, which he breaks.
Not when an A.I. is meant to replicate with accuracy a human mind. I'm not looking for anything I'm just capable of seeing human similarities when they are right in front of me. His current behavior is a result of his human programming. Walter is more alien than David.
Quote from: Predwars24 on May 29, 2019, 09:10:33 PM
Wasn't Walter made to be less "Human" because the David model was too "Human"?
Yes.
Is that how he got his terrible accent?
Plus, the David 8 couldn't tell time correctly.
QuoteA.I. is literally alien lol. You only see human similarities because that's what you're looking for. Nothing about David is human other than his appearance and the facade he maintains because of his programming, which he breaks.
A.I. in both prequels has been top notch. TOP. Just wish the Alien was also. I'd love to see Scott and Cameron do one more film each at least. Wouldn't that be great. Full expansion, 2 different timelines expanding with Scott and Cameron at the helm, who woulda thunk of this ever happening again in the AR-AVPR era.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 29, 2019, 11:21:46 PM
Is that how he got his terrible accent?
It was his doodie.
David w/ interesting A.I. as 3rd antagonist seems like a very safe bet and would be fantastic. Hopefully they do concentrate on at least some of these gems, otherwise you may get a Fire & Stone full psycho android with tentacles coming out of his rear and which may get old rather quickly.
QuoteSome interesting developments I noticed, which got sidetracked -
1. Egg morphing
2. Deacon on LV223
3. The Octopus-like squeezing of the xeno-body in the Engineers script
4. David experimenting on Shaw
5. Ultramorph
6. Excretion of cocoon-substance from the alien's groin
7. The bizarre religious practices of the Engineers and cryptic use of the black goo.
8. Neomorphs
9. Cave under LV426
Spoiler
1. Eggmorphing (may/may not be canon)
2. Dead, from starvation obviously.
3. Concept replaced by the Neomorph.
4. Using Elizabeth Shaw's ovaries lead to the Alien.
5. A bigger Big Chap, as Engineers are just bigger humans, down to the DNA- Prometheus tells us.
6. Sure, I don't see that being explored to be honest.
7. Definitely a thing.
8. Definitely a thing.
9. Yeah.
The Neomorphs, although I'd like to see them again- got fully explored, by my count you only have the practices of the Engineers which "got sidetracked" and that's something better left mostly ambiguous, unless you're going to use it to say something meaningful about the whole Creator and Created cycle that's going on.
The LV-426 Derelict will apparently be the culmination in some fashion of the Prequel storyline.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 29, 2019, 11:30:24 PM
QuoteA.I. is literally alien lol. You only see human similarities because that's what you're looking for. Nothing about David is human other than his appearance and the facade he maintains because of his programming, which he breaks.
A.I. in both prequels has been top notch. TOP. Just wish the Alien was also. I'd love to see Scott and Cameron do one more film each at least. Wouldn't that be great. Full expansion, 2 different timelines expanding with Scott and Cameron at the helm, who woulda thunk of this ever happening again in the AR-AVPR era.
A tree with too many branches, blocks out too much sun.
I don't know what that means, but it seemed pertinent.
It's clear A.I is where Ridley Scott's interest lies.
Now that the Alien retroactively is created by one,
I'm interested in what he means by evolving it because he didn't say it's done.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/may/30/please-ridley-scott-no-more-alien-films?fbclid=IwAR03XLHSN0_n3TtvzY7Dv5VQzVSQ3LdbeVPNmjmMPyGa1Nu4DV71VURxjNs
So it's confirmed then?
Nope, which makes me wonder why that lousy article exists in the first place. :o
Quote from: Evanus on May 31, 2019, 01:42:22 AM
Nope, which makes me wonder why that lousy article exists in the first place. :o
Opinion is the plague of the modern age. It has its place in certain corners of the internet (like fan forums - no, not joking ) but I'd hoped that established old media journals like the Guardian would hold out for actual news reporting for a few more years yet. This guy isn't even presenting us with an argument, with supporting facts and evidence or logic or reasoning, just boring us with his hot air.
TC
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 26, 2019, 03:38:55 AM
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Quote from: King geedorah on May 25, 2019, 07:35:57 PM
Bald albinos, ghouliens, and evil robots
Sign me the f**k up tbh
With a solid script and a good execution you can have the Alien and the new stuff working perfectly.
Lol, picturing Jeff Goldblum saying that.
How can anyone still expect a good movie from Scott after Prometheus and Covenant? Even the new The Thing movie and Descent knew how to be a better movie.
And Scott still disrespects the beast. I gave up hope for a really good Alien movie ever to appear. In the end it's Alien 1-3 which are precious. The rest...not so much.
It's absolutely a reasonable goal, but you need a central idea to focus them around.
Spoiler
Just like Prometheus applying to the Alien Universe or Prometheus in general, the writing is the key element that either means it works or it doesn't work.
Prometheus didn't work because of the writing,
Alien worked in major part because of the writing, all the other aspects are important yes, but if the writing doesn't work- everything else is for nothing.
As such is Prometheus' case.
Going on a mission funded by an eccentric multi-billionaire Capitalist to find God, but finding an/several old God(s) instead/
Mountains of Madness in the Alien universe. With a Pathogen that generates new horrors based upon circumstances of infection. + Philosophical pondering on the meaning of life in the face of such abject horror.
It's a superb idea, wasted.
Well, not totally wasted. Nice build up though. Prometheus is great seriously.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 31, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
Prometheus is great seriously.
No, no it isn't. It's seriously a disaster.
A interesting idea totally wasted on a inane script.
If only they had made better use of the deacon or if Fifield had turned into one...
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on May 31, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
Prometheus is great seriously.
No, no it isn't. It's seriously a disaster.
A interesting idea totally wasted on a inane script.
A disaster? Common man. It has some seriously nice settings, actors, world building, music, effects.
Script could have obviously been better but I would definitely not call it a disaster. 9/10 for me. Without the dumb snake scene and dumbed down acting decisions and with the deacon creeping around it would have been a 10.
Again, all those elements mean absolutely nothing without a good script to work from, it doesn't matter how good your Director, actors and production is if the play's story is absolute garbage.
And Prometheus script is a trashfire.
Spoiler
Alien or no Alien.
Defying audience expectations is alright, as long as you have something of substance to replace it with. Prometheus' fault is it didn't. For heaven's sake, some of the dialogue alone: "Half a billion lightyears." -So barely out of our solar system Meredith Vickers?
Doesn't exactly encourage the audience to engage with the lofty questions the film poses when they can't believe in the world because of it's lack of logic, or a solid character to attach to, and I don't mean attach to as in care for, I mean believable characterisation.
The clearest example I can think of is that Prometheus wants us to believe, that both Fifield and Millburn are intelligent scientists early on- poking fun at the mission's ridiculous premise. (While using "Darwinism" as terminology, oh Lord.) Ok, but then later on wants us to believe they're idiots- neither is an unattainable goal. But which is it Prometheus?
Don't get me started on how hard it is to take a antagonist (The Pathogen) seriously when it's "power" is so inconsistent and dependant upon what the plot requires, it doesn't make your antagonists or protagonists impressive or respectable. You respect them whenever they do everything right and still fail.
True, this was definitely not handled well at all..no idea why it was made so stupidly and no editor or anyone didn't see it's shortcoming.
QuoteFifield and Millburn are intelligent scientists early
Ok, but then later on wants us to believe they're idiots-?
Loved most of the rest though.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on May 31, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
Prometheus is great seriously.
No, no it isn't. It's seriously a disaster.
A interesting idea totally wasted on a inane script.
If Prometheus was better received than Covenant by critics and audiences alike
and is a disaster, then what does that make Covenant?
A blend of Prometheus Exploration and Adventure/World Building mixed with a blend of Alien for Terror and Aliens for Chills & Thrills. That's all I need.
The reason Prometheus' sequel was received as is, regardless of being a superior film,
and more internally consistent-
is already discussed to death.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 24, 2019, 10:33:28 PM
Lacklustre trailers, title.
With the awareness that Prometheus was crap, a sense of "Oh you won't fool me this time, Ridley Scott!" was in the air,
which most likely contributed to it's sequel's decrease in commercial success despite IMO, being a superior film and script.
And a concept that we'd seen before.
(From the trailers perspective.)
It's more easy to see why audiences didn't have a interest when you compare it to what Prometheus did have.
Prometheus' the return of Ridley Scott to Sci-Fi, a cast of hot new stars and an return to sense of legitimacy in that Prometheus was described as it's own thing in the Alien Universe, the complete opposite of the abortion of AVP/AVPR people had suffered five years prior- that had little to do with the series history creatively, aesthetically, narratively or thematically beyond the creature itself.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 29, 2019, 04:45:12 PM
It's because Prometheus was touted as Ridley Scott's return to Sci-Fi, a amazing cast and a superb trailer. Obscuring the awful script.
So by the time the sequel appears, people are throughrally disenchanted.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 25, 2019, 04:08:26 PM
The cast isn't superior to Prometheus' but they're better acted and directed.
The editing in Prometheus is completely f**ked, Covenant's is not.
Covenant knows what it is, Prometheus does not.
Nah, Covenant- aside from the Xenomorph in the ship at the end being somewhat lacklustre but not always- is a superior film.
(when it's standing up and moving around slowly like a man it's pretty fantastic and so is the visuals of the atmospheric decompression.)
Aside from some of the production design of the human crafts, spacesuits and weaponry which I thought were much more interesting looking in Prometheus, Covenant is much, much better film it's probably just that because Prometheus doesn't know what it's about- in your head you can define it therefore in whatever way you want, whereas Covenant actually has a strong narrative theme. As many smarter than me have said, Covenant's a Romanticism; Gothic Horror in space and if you're not willing to approach it like you would that genre of literature, you're not going to be interested.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 05:13:42 PM
The reason Prometheus' sequel was received as is, regardless of being a superior film,
and more internally consistent- is already discussed to death.
Or like me and a bit more than the 50% of the AvPG fans that voted, we just feel Prometheus is the superior film regardless.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As I said, already discussed to death.
Which do you like better? is not Which is better? -anyway.
I don't see why you'd even bring it up frankly, I wasn't discussing the "Prometheus Vs Covenant" argument.
Because you called Prometheus a "disaster" sis. That's more fitting for films like Battlefield Earth I think. Not Prometheus.
Nah, Prometheus is trash.
It sits alongside VIII-TLJ, GoT-S8, SWPrequelTrilogy and The Hobbit Prequel Trilogy.
The shelf of immense wasted potential, scripts full of holes and bizarre acting caricatures.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 05:23:12 PM
Nah, Prometheus is trash.
It sits alongside VIII-TLJ, GoT-S8, SWPrequelTrilogy and The Hobbit Prequel Trilogy.
The shelf of immense wasted potential, scripts full of holes and bizarre acting characters.
Disaster and trash? Ouch!
Yeah, should/could've been a sci-fi classic, sitting alongside 2001, Alien and The Thing. It had that potential.
The Prometheus we got is embarrassing.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
Yeah, could've been a sci-fi classic, sitting alongside 2001, Alien and The Thing. It had that potential.
The Prometheus we got is embarrassing.
So just because it could have been a classic but missed that benchmark, it's automatically a disaster, trash and embarrassing? And here you actually used to like Prometheus. :P
Resurrection is much, much closer to those comments than Prometheus in my opinion. We'll agree to disagree on all parts. ;)
Prometheus didn't just miss the mark, it missed every mark.
Regardless of having everything for a home run in place,
apart from a clear idea of the film's objective and a well-written script.
A perfect home run, whilst forgetting to pick up the ball.
Resurrection was always going to be trite, bringing back Ripley through cloning- are you serious?
The best you could hope for is stylish trite, which is exactly what we got.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 05:43:25 PM
Prometheus didn't just miss the mark, it missed every mark.
Regardless of having everything for a home run in place,
apart from a clear idea of the film's objective and a well-written script.
A perfect home run, whilst forgetting to pick up the ball.
Resurrection was always going to be trite, brining back Ripley through cloning- are you serious?
The best you could hope for is stylish trite, which is exactly what we got.
May I ask politely for an American Football analogy instead? It's my favorite sport.
Spoiler
;) ;D
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Bobby B is none to be f**ked with :D
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
It's absolutely a reasonable goal, but you need a central idea to focus them around.
Spoiler
Just like Prometheus applying to the Alien Universe or Prometheus in general, the writing is the key element that either means it works or it doesn't work.
Prometheus didn't work because of the writing,
Alien worked in major part because of the writing, all the other aspects are important yes, but if the writing doesn't work- everything else is for nothing.
As such is Prometheus' case.
Going on a mission funded by an eccentric multi-billionaire Capitalist to find God, but finding an/several old God(s) instead/
Mountains of Madness in the Alien universe. With a Pathogen that generates new horrors based upon circumstances of infection. + Philosophical pondering on the meaning of life in the face of such abject horror.
It's a superb idea, wasted.
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/fo8eCgi.jpg)
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 05:23:12 PM
Nah, Prometheus is trash.
Still better than Covenant.
Objectively, hmmm.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 11:42:06 PM
No. By no measure of quality anyway.
I liked it better when it was objectively.
It still is, technically. ;)
Prometheus is awesome! Love it. Flaws and all...
Glad you love it, and it's awesome by definition yes, probably the biggest attempted revival of the franchise.
As a multimedia restart and profit wise it succeeded, but as a film? Questionable at best I think.
One of Ridley Scott's greatest accomplishments. Unfortunately it was not followed up on in a way that satisfies. I get what he's trying to do with the sequel but it fell flat somehow. I will never live down that moment of wonder in the orrery. One of the greatest moments in cinema.
No, sorry, Alien, Blade Runner, The Martian,
Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven DC, Thelma and Louise and even The Duelists- far superior films.
It's nowhere near amongst Ridley Scott's best work.