Yesterday, we reported on the existence of a brand new trailer for Prometheus. As mentioned before, this new trailer lasts for around one minute and features a handful of scenes from the footage that was shown at Comic-con this year, scenes from the recently leaked 18 seconds teaser trailer and much more. You can watch it below now. The quality isn’t ideal but the video is definitely worth a look.
Special thanks to James Smith for sending us the recording.
[Video removed by request of Fox]
According to the source, the trailer is being shown to the public via an entertainment survey at an online surveys website.
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I loved seeing the derelict in those shots.
Thx dude...this will be enough for at least 1000 new speculation threads ;D
That's very low quality but it's still seven shades of low quality awesome!
Swwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! ;D
Holy shit the derelict! X)
Cannot wait to see it on HD. The trailer really got me tensed up and excited. Thank you! Very much!
Could somebody please make some screengrabs of the footage and post them (before the footage is pulled for copyright infringement)? I'd do it myself but I use a PS3 to browse the Internet.
awesome........
thanks guys, and thanks to your source.
although its obviously terrible quality i can still get the vibe of the movie, im really looking forward to this.
bring it on, june 2012 cant come fast enough.
thanks
rich
Thanks guys^^
Where does it come from i mean, it's clear that the jmaes smith has it on his computer why not share the actual file^^
Love the music a mix between alien and inception.
Holy freaking shait. Just that one shot of the space jockey chair was enough for me ;D ;D This made my day !
God-DAMN my erectile tissue!!!
It makes getting out of this chair/table MOST awkward!!!
I feel like I just had an alien burst right out of my chest! UNREAL
Downloading the video from Youtube RIGHT NOW! Hopefully, this same teaser will be released in HD very soon!
Btw, just joined!
Glad to read such positive feedback!
Everyday now, guys, we must go to prometheusmovie.com until somethings there!
Quote from: ikarop on Nov 26, 2011, 08:53:30 PM
Glad to read such positive feedback!
Ikarop.......you sexy beast. And the rest of the staff.
But how do we know this won't get pulled down?
Quote from: St_Eddie on Nov 26, 2011, 08:49:59 PM
Could somebody please make some screengrabs of the footage and post them (before the footage is pulled for copyright infringement)? I'd do it myself but I use a PS3 to browse the Internet.
i do that exact same thing eddie, i only wish the ps3s browser was better as i find it far better than using a pc, it just doesnt work as well, rumour has it that we will get a new browser when the vita is released.....
thanks
rich
Quote from: ikarop on Nov 26, 2011, 08:53:30 PM
Glad to read such positive feedback!
A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL STAFFERS!
My head just exploded.
Certainly radiates the original ALIEN trailer. I love this, so much.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Nov 26, 2011, 08:56:08 PM
My head just exploded.
..Buh.
Ok, file downloaded. Do you guys want me to upload it somewhere?
I'd say keep it just in case something goes wrong. :)
Looks great. I want to wait for better quality though.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 26, 2011, 08:59:11 PM
I'd say keep it just in case something goes wrong. :)
Ok, gotcha!
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 26, 2011, 09:00:25 PM
Looks great. I want to wait for better quality though.
I second this.
The derelict's in there.
Alien connection sorted.
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 26, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
The derelict's in there.
Alien connection sorted.
Seems like it! The cat's out of the bag now, gents!
While it might not be of the best quality, this got me pretty damn hyped. More than the official pictures did to be honest. :laugh:
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Nov 26, 2011, 08:49:59 PM
Could somebody please make some screengrabs of the footage and post them (before the footage is pulled for copyright infringement)? I'd do it myself but I use a PS3 to browse the Internet.
i do that exact same thing eddie, i only wish the ps3s browser was better as i find it far better than using a pc, it just doesnt work as well, rumour has it that we will get a new browser when the vita is released.....
thanks
rich
Ohhh, I hope the new browser comes to pass. The only thing more annoying than having to type messages using a PS3 controller is having the browser crash your PS3 every hour or so. >:( No, actually... even more annoying than that is typing out a lengthy forum post/essay and having the PS3 freeze and lose all that hard work. >:( >:(
Anywayyyyyy... screengrabs anyone?! ;D
That was some crazy shit! I love seeing the derelict land like that!!
Quote from: The Collector on Nov 26, 2011, 09:07:52 PM
That was some crazy shit! I love seeing the derelict land like that!!
It looked more like it was crashing.
Question: Do we need to come up with a new name for the derelict ship???? in these shots its hardly a derelict
Quote from: nendo on Nov 26, 2011, 09:09:02 PM
Question: Do we need to come up with a new name for the derelict ship???? in these shots its hardly a derelict
Hmm... the 'Bio-Mechanical Croissant'?!
Holy shit! That was un-f**king believable! =-O This has DEFINITELY got to be a legitimate sequel to Alien. The hype-ometer just spiked. \m/ \m/
...must see in HD... NAO!!!!
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Nov 26, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Holy shit! That was un-f**king believable! =-O This has DEFINITELY got to be a legitimate sequel to Alien. The hype-ometer just spiked. \m/ \m/
...must see in HD... NAO!!!!
I second this. ;D
Quote from: MOVIELORD101 on Nov 26, 2011, 09:08:20 PM
It looked more like it was crashing.
Kinda what I meant, but still cool! :D
Quote from: nendo on Nov 26, 2011, 09:09:02 PM
Question: Do we need to come up with a new name for the derelict ship???? in these shots its hardly a derelict
lol good point haha
anyone else see some....thing, leap out of something at around 33 sec/ 34 seconds?
Wow! So this pretty much confirms the Alien Harvest script as being genuine!!
Spoiler
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Quote from: BonesawT101 on Nov 26, 2011, 09:15:17 PM
anyone else see some....thing, leap out of something at around 33 sec/ 34 seconds?
Yes. Remember the description said something about that?
QuoteWhat they found could be it is end
Nice grammar editor.
Very very cool thanks. As everyone said, need to see in HD.
Didn't pick out any creatures.
Nice nod to the ALIEN grabbing Brett in there. Except in this case seems to be the own guys arms clutching at his helmet. Reminiscent all the same.
My favorite bit is the Space Jockey chair emerging. And I like the little stop in the trailer before it hammers back in.
I'm thinking the Inception horn thing might be sampled from the elevator in ALIENS. Or it might be the self destruct noise from ALIEN. It's not an instrument anyway.
Oh and at 37 seconds there is something dead centre at the bottom of the screen. Looks like a head, it moves anyway. Looks like it could be MR Jockey.
Quote from: MOVIELORD101 on Nov 26, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Nov 26, 2011, 09:15:17 PM
anyone else see some....thing, leap out of something at around 33 sec/ 34 seconds?
Yes. Remember the description said something about that?
sure do. hd will hopefully enlighten us further
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Quote from: MOVIELORD101 on Nov 26, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Nov 26, 2011, 09:15:17 PM
anyone else see some....thing, leap out of something at around 33 sec/ 34 seconds?
Yes. Remember the description said something about that?
sure do. hd will hopefully enlighten us further
Here's hoping! Keep me posted guys!
There is a God.
Will making this video on Youtube only visible if one has the link make it less susceptible to being taken down? If that is an issue.
It still has a watermark, but I hope it going to be released soon.
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*Jizz*
No meme for how happy.
Dat Alien noise...
And sadly, all I can think of are the hordes of wankers who did nothing but bitch about how the movie wasn't "gonna haz Aliens in it!" for months on end.
*prays for movie to kick ass!*
*cough* (http://www.sendspace.com/file/29tlsg)
Those horns don't sound like Inception at all. Way over the top as well. Needs more ambience.
8)= Sir Ridley Scott
Thanks dude for sharing this..........thanks!!! ;D
Bri ;)
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 26, 2011, 09:29:34 PM
*cough* (http://www.sendspace.com/file/29tlsg)
Those horns don't sound like Inception at all. Way over the top as well. Needs more ambience.
The "horns" sound like samples of either the elevator from ALIENS or the self destruct countdown warning in ALIEN.
Did anyone notice what looks like the Space Jockey's head at 37?
holy shit! can't believe they actually used the audio clips from the alien trailer. the derelict, proof of some kind of creatures, all my concerns are officially laid to rest. This is gonna be epic.
That was seriously shit hot. As for this being an Alien prequel...
Well the cat's really out of the locker now. ;D
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 26, 2011, 09:17:19 PM
QuoteWhat they found could be it is end
Nice grammar editor.
I KNOW! I can't believe they spelled 'its' wrong. God, I hope they fix that.
Otherwise, brilliant! ;D
That was... fookin' sweet
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Whats that below the first E in Prometheus? At the bottom of the screen, the few frames we see of it looks like an alien shaped head twisting from side to side, looks very strange, i think i even caught a set of eyes at the front of it?
I knew that was the derelict in the previous leaked trailer!
Awesome
Considering from the watermarkings, I suppose it is FOX's official stream.
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Could this be an excavation on Charon, one of Pluto's moons? Notice the possible planet seen in the sky in the background. That could very well be Pluto.
If true this means the coordinates to the Jockey's homeworld won't be found on Earth, just as I was hoping for.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo many nods to ALIEN!
I loved it!
Oh, yah. This is definitally an Alien movie.
f**k it. I'm sold.
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 09:51:35 PM
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Whats that below the first E in Prometheus? At the bottom of the screen, the few frames we see of it looks like an alien shaped head twisting from side to side, looks very strange, i think i even caught a set of eyes at the front of it?
I knew that was the derelict in the previous leaked trailer!
Awesome
forget that. what's that by the M jumping out?
My god at 0:25 it looks like a man grabs his helmet in pain as acid, or something burns....noticing the smoke emanating from his helmet
0:37 looks like a man's going to pounce on the jockey, or new alien
0: 34, looks like an alien bites into space jockey
Looks like someone in a space suit mate, and looks much smaller than whatever it is they are jumping onto...
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
f**k it. I'm sold.
Agreed!!!
The next 6 months are going to drag in now.....!
Bri ;)
Holy Crap. That's one hell of a trailer. One of the best I've seen.
^
They sure are going to drag on. Ack!
ok, a little bit of speculation on my part...
seeing as we see the derilict a couple of times, it would appear that it features heavily and may well link to the beginning of alien at the end...
well what if our intrepid prometheus crew are responsible for putting the warning beacon aboard it which the nostromo picks up?....
thanks
rich
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I mean wasn't this meant to be about their origins why are people there?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
f**k it. I'm sold.
Yeah im In hard, I'm definitely going to a midnight IMAX sceening for this .
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
ok, a little bit of speculation on my part...
seeing as we see the derilict a couple of times, it would appear that it features heavily and may well link to the beginning of alien at the end...
well what if our intrepid prometheus crew are responsible for putting the warning beacon aboard it which the nostromo picks up?....
thanks
rich
The crew of the nostromo had to decode the "warning" if it were of human origin that wouldnt be necessary.
THIS SUMS UP HOW I FEEL RIGHT NOW :) :) :) THANKS GUYS :) :) :)
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY
need quicktime trailer, noooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 26, 2011, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
f**k it. I'm sold.
Yeah im In hard, I'm definitely going to a midnight IMAX sceening for this .
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
ok, a little bit of speculation on my part...
seeing as we see the derilict a couple of times, it would appear that it features heavily and may well link to the beginning of alien at the end...
well what if our intrepid prometheus crew are responsible for putting the warning beacon aboard it which the nostromo picks up?....
thanks
rich
The crew of the nostromo had to decode the "warning" if it were of human origin that wouldnt be necessary.
not necessarily, it could be a scrambled military warning beacon that the minig ship doesnt recognise, kind of like how we cant listen to military radio etc...
thanks
rich
Anyone know the Inception BRAHH Trailer music? I've heard it before, in a trailer recently....
I'm suprised FOX hasn't acted on this yet!
I wonder if we will see the official trailer soon then? They gotta show it soon, this thing is spreading like wild fire accross the net!!
Bri 8)
Awesome! Can't wait to see it in HD!
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 26, 2011, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
f**k it. I'm sold.
Yeah im In hard, I'm definitely going to a midnight IMAX sceening for this .
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
ok, a little bit of speculation on my part...
seeing as we see the derilict a couple of times, it would appear that it features heavily and may well link to the beginning of alien at the end...
well what if our intrepid prometheus crew are responsible for putting the warning beacon aboard it which the nostromo picks up?....
thanks
rich
The crew of the nostromo had to decode the "warning" if it were of human origin that wouldnt be necessary.
not necessarily, it could be a scrambled military warning beacon that the minig ship doesnt recognise, kind of like how we cant listen to military radio etc...
thanks
rich
Not much of a warning beacon if it's a encoded military becon that is somehow confused as an SOS.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
f**k it. I'm sold.
Big words, SiL. Nice to see you excited.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 26, 2011, 10:25:43 PM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 26, 2011, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
f**k it. I'm sold.
Yeah im In hard, I'm definitely going to a midnight IMAX sceening for this .
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
ok, a little bit of speculation on my part...
seeing as we see the derilict a couple of times, it would appear that it features heavily and may well link to the beginning of alien at the end...
well what if our intrepid prometheus crew are responsible for putting the warning beacon aboard it which the nostromo picks up?....
thanks
rich
The crew of the nostromo had to decode the "warning" if it were of human origin that wouldnt be necessary.
not necessarily, it could be a scrambled military warning beacon that the minig ship doesnt recognise, kind of like how we cant listen to military radio etc...
thanks
rich
Not much of a warning beacon if it's a encoded military becon that is somehow confused as an SOS.
Init.
That wouldn't make sense, why would you make a "Warning" for military personal only and not the general public.
Aaamaziing :o
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Lindelof said the movie doesnt end up with the crashing on the derelict from ALIEN...
Ok but they seriously used a lot of the original direct prequel script keeping a scene like that in the movie.
I like how the first part of the trailer shows what to expect from an ALIEN movie then BAM! You get these incredibles landsacpes shots with this massive weird spaceship.
I think that the Engineer's spaceship is taking off toward Earth but the Magellan or Prometheus crash into it to stop it.
This would also explain the ship debris spotted in Iceland.
BTW im' receiving warning from a mod for screaming fake at this trailer.
Reassure me guys, you all got that i was joking right?
Coz who will be insane enough to think that this could be fake...
Quote from: Lie on Nov 26, 2011, 10:26:49 PM
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Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 26, 2011, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
f**k it. I'm sold.
Yeah im In hard, I'm definitely going to a midnight IMAX sceening for this .
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 26, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
ok, a little bit of speculation on my part...
seeing as we see the derilict a couple of times, it would appear that it features heavily and may well link to the beginning of alien at the end...
well what if our intrepid prometheus crew are responsible for putting the warning beacon aboard it which the nostromo picks up?....
thanks
rich
The crew of the nostromo had to decode the "warning" if it were of human origin that wouldnt be necessary.
not necessarily, it could be a scrambled military warning beacon that the minig ship doesnt recognise, kind of like how we cant listen to military radio etc...
thanks
rich
Not much of a warning beacon if it's a encoded military becon that is somehow confused as an SOS.
Init.
That wouldn't make sense, why would you make a "Warning" for military personal only and not the general public.
Makes more sense it's a jockey becon,( providing the film ends with a crashed derelict ) as the crew of the Prometheus clearly turn the tables on the jockeys with whatever is inside of those ampules. The trailer shows David tinkering with one "big things, have small beginnings".
Quote from: Engineer1 on Nov 26, 2011, 10:34:13 PM
Lindelof said the movie doesnt end up with the crashing on the derelict from ALIEN...
Ok but they seriously used a lot of the original direct prequel script keeping a scene like that in the movie.
I like how the first part of the trailer shows what to expect from an ALIEN movie then BAM! You get these incredibles landsacpes shots with this massive weird spaceship.
I think that the Engineer's spaceship is taking off toward Earth but the Magellan or Prometheus crash into it to stop it.
This would also explain the ship debris spotted in Iceland.
What's the Magellan ship?
In the PARADISE leak (that features the crash of a Engineer's ship BTW) it's written that the Prometheus ship has like the Nostromo some sort of Shuttle that detach from the main ship that is called Magellan.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2011, 10:26:20 PM
Big words, SiL. Nice to see you excited.
Had to happen eventually. :P
Quote
What's the Magellan ship?
http://www.hollywoodnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Prometh1.jpg (http://www.hollywoodnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Prometh1.jpg)
This "leaked" picture was marked as "Magellan mess deck"
f**king delicous that looked. Can't wait to see it in better quality. :)
Damn, it's a pure pleasure to spot derelict and SJ's chair once again after so many years!
Thank you guys for posting description and this teaser's footage!
I noticed a lot of scream sounds within its score, that adds a lot to murky film's atmosphere :)
Need an HD copy, for sure, it should be soon, I guess :-)
You can clearly see the chair, HHHHHHRRRRRGGGGHRRRG HRRG delicious.
0:48 looks like the derelict ship except its tilted Vetrical.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2011, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2011, 10:26:20 PM
Big words, SiL. Nice to see you excited.
Had to happen eventually. :P
Seeing SiL excited makes me even more excited somehow :laugh:
Seeing the Derelict Ship on it's side is pretty awesome! Can't wait to get the Official Trailer! :D
For me it's the haunting horn noise (similar to inceptions) that really makes this trailer for me as it gradually becomes more intense, then the engineers cockpit rises out've the ground, when the trailer stops for a few seconds and we see the engineer(s) (derelict) craft and another take of it. The intensity of this trailer is executed very cleverly. Very intense movies that look like this tend to receive a 15 certificate in the u.k. even if a pg13 in the U.S. the uk rating board tend to skip the 12a rating. Only if the film is very intense regardless if there is no strong language. Roll on 2012 for me it's this and dark knight rises i'm looking forward to. Thanks for sharing that trailer with us.
Wow...simply...wow.
Jockey's chair, the Derelict, title reveal like Alien's, sounds from the orginal Alien trailer....I'm sold.
this looks so badass
the horns sound and stuff remind me of this battlefield 3 trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV30Lbe6_S4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV30Lbe6_S4#ws)
thanks
rich
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LOL why is there a picture off 4 what appears to be boiled eggs next to some pics of naked ladies. :P
Anywho the trailer looks awesome. Hopefully better quality but I'm not complaining.
Promethesus is the ship ? or its the humans steal fire - I think for definate! This can be justified from what the voice at the start.
Also anyone see the' egg' opening and the 'facehugger/serpant' hitting the helmet?
Also its clearly the derelict / type ship crashing on what is most likely LV-146. The story will clearly tell us what happened to the derelict and why it is there.
What is that weird spinny thing at 35/36.
This looks amazing. Get that hd one out now!
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LOL why is there a picture off 4 what appears to be boiled eggs next to some pics of naked ladies. :P
Ash keeps a lot of things in his masturbation-station. He's a sick f**k.
What is the general consensus on the derelict here - is it the one from Alien or different ship for a different story?
me personally, i think its the same ship and is gonna explain its crash and egg cargo.....
thanks
rich
Wow...this is so chalk full of win :) I had a feeling they were screening the trailer randomly in the entertainment surveys. I take them everyday, but still haven't had the chance to see it in a survey yet!! And I've seen the one with the altered synopsis I posted a few times already... I know how to do screen grabs now so I'll try to get some clear shots if I end up seeing it soon. Still thinking it could be tough to grab video from the survey page.
A looping gif of the wierd thing at 0:37, notice how it moves and flexes:
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Scott may leave it open to viewer interpretation, he can be quite cryptic, but i'm hoping he plays it straight with us and links it to the derelict from alien
Not the same ship has the one from ALIEN.
or it would be a direct prequel an it's not.
There's some clever editing in that trailer.
I think one of them is making us miss the view of the Engineer.
The moment the storm is coming toward a character seen from the back and then we see Shaw reaction then we saw another character flying in the air.
I think it's a edit of 3 scenes.
Firts shot is the Engineer seen from his back, the suit is white and he has some weird proportion.
Then the cut on Shaw she's wearing the blue bubble helmted suit every humans is wearing in all the shots we have seen so far and behin her you can see the interior of a ship behind her then there is a fade to another shot of shaw face as a wind is pushing her (but not sandy as the first shot) then cut to the large shot of a character flying backward (but not inside a ship).
What are those survey compnies?
Names please ;)
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 11:38:20 PM
A looping gif of the wierd thing at 0:37, notice how it moves and flexes:
http://i.picasion.com/pic46/04aa93cb07f1484f6ba82ff846d18ad9.gif
Does anyone else see a person jumping of a ledge?
(hears about Alien prequel)
Hmm, a new Alien movie.
(hears it's not necessarily an Alien movie)
Hmm, that's a shame, but I'm sure it'll be good.
(sees trailer with Alien style font and featuring derelict)
ALL MY MONEY.
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Looks they'll be landing on a moon, notice that it's also stormy and violent. And it appears to be orbiting a main planet. Calpamos, perhaps?
Quote from: Engineer1 on Nov 26, 2011, 11:41:20 PM
Firts shot is the Engineer seen from his back, the suit is white and he has some weird proportion.
Its head seems to be dome shapped like the alien,maybe its just its suit,some sort of helmet.
Quote from: Lie on Nov 26, 2011, 11:42:55 PM
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 11:38:20 PM
A looping gif of the wierd thing at 0:37, notice how it moves and flexes:
http://i.picasion.com/pic46/04aa93cb07f1484f6ba82ff846d18ad9.gif
Does anyone else see a person jumping of a ledge?
Looks like Fassbender jumping.
I've missed that Nostromo alarm thing for so long. Now I'm watching this on a loop...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws)
Quote from: Lie on Nov 26, 2011, 11:42:55 PM
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 11:38:20 PM
A looping gif of the wierd thing at 0:37, notice how it moves and flexes:
http://i.picasion.com/pic46/04aa93cb07f1484f6ba82ff846d18ad9.gif
Does anyone else see a person jumping of a ledge?
Yeah mate, they appear to be pouncing onto the "creature" in the bottom of the frame?
I'm starting to wonder whether that ship is really the Prometheus or its dropship Magellan. I think the Prometheus should be a lot larger and elongated a la 2001's Discovery or the Venture Star from Avatar.
Effectz,
yes he's probably wearing his suit with the elephant helmet.
Definitly think that it's him.
About the gif.
It's from the same scene where you see someone in a suit and a flamethrower in the vehicules hangar. You can see the front of one of the vehicule on the right. And also the smoke.
Something is jumping from above toward the suited character.
I found the trailer music if anyone cares...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4vuyU-GWw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4vuyU-GWw#ws)
inb4 someone starts alluding TF3's music to the quality of the film
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 11:46:50 PM
Quote from: Lie on Nov 26, 2011, 11:42:55 PM
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 11:38:20 PM
A looping gif of the wierd thing at 0:37, notice how it moves and flexes:
http://i.picasion.com/pic46/04aa93cb07f1484f6ba82ff846d18ad9.gif
Does anyone else see a person jumping of a ledge?
Yeah mate, they appear to be pouncing onto the "creature" in the bottom of the frame?
It looks like the head of a Space Jockey.
The TF3 BRAHM was to catch the attention of the 'new demographic' ... the plucking violins and howling/pulsing is for US!
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This is the film we have all wanted!!!
The ultimate sci-fi !! Hopefully
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
inb4 someone starts alluding TF3's music to the quality of the film
The music in that film was amazing. So was the movie. A visually, action packed awesome blob.
can't get the siren sound from the new trailer (and original trailer also of course) outta my head!!!!! and I'm loving it!
Then buy the Transformers 3 soundtrack./
So delicious. Can't wait for the official release in HD! :)
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Nov 27, 2011, 12:19:43 AM
can't get the siren sound from the new trailer (and original trailer also of course) outta my head!!!!! and I'm loving it!
Quote from: CEP on Nov 27, 2011, 12:23:13 AM
Then buy the Transformers 3 soundtrack./
No...
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Quote from: CEP on Nov 27, 2011, 12:23:13 AM
Then buy the Transformers 3 soundtrack./
the siren's not in the tf3 soundtrack
is that some sort of creature at 29 secs on the right hand of the screen? or am i seeing things???
I'm seeing this dead tired as I was just about to hit the hay. I'm going to have the best dreams tonight... ahhhh yeahhhh
Haven't been keeping up on any of the info for this, mainly because I wasn't bothered about it. Looking at this just made me realise how much I love the original Alien film, and I can't wait to see what Ridley gives us.
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 11:38:20 PM
A looping gif of the wierd thing at 0:37, notice how it moves and flexes:
http://i.picasion.com/pic46/04aa93cb07f1484f6ba82ff846d18ad9.gif
It looks like Fassbender doing a running jump at the top of the screen.
And the head of the living breathing space jockey at the bottom.
I'm kind of surprised that people aren't going "the f**king Space Jockey is in the shot". Seems what it might look like if alive and not fossilised in the chair.
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
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Nice use of the creepy sound from the original film's trailer. Never thought I'd ever hear that again.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 27, 2011, 01:26:06 AM
Nice use of the creepy sound from the original film's trailer. Never thought I'd ever hear that again.
Agree.
Did anyone else notice
something about to
burst out of someone?
Spoiler
Not an Alien prequel my ass!
Do you all think that's The Engineer with it's back to the camera staring up at the derelict at 46?
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 27, 2011, 01:30:37 AM
Do you all think that's The Engineer with it's back to the camera staring up at the derelict at 46?
No,thats one f the cast.
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 26, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
Alien connection sorted.
It was never really in doubt. There's an MTV interview where the director made clear that it's a prequel.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml)
Quote from: nendo on Nov 26, 2011, 09:09:02 PM
Question: Do we need to come up with a new name for the derelict ship???? in these shots its hardly a derelict
We don't know
what it is. It could still be a derelict, even at that time. All we know is that it's vertical. Could still just as easily be a ship or facility.
The craft in the atmosphere, as I wrote on the other discussion, looks different.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 27, 2011, 01:39:57 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 26, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
Alien connection sorted.
It was never really in doubt. There's an MTV interview where the director made clear that it's a prequel.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml)
This is from 2010, before it became the "non-Alien" Prometheus movie. Of course, fooling us didn't last long ;)
Awesome... Just a 1 minute trailer has me even more hyped to see this film. And given with what we have seen in this trailer, I think it's safe to say it should be considered and Alien Prequel. Even if no conventional Xeno's show up, the presence of the Derelict cements it for me.
Really, I think the biggest question I want answered is: Do the original Giger Xeno's (egg, facehugger, adult) appear in this movie? Or something new?
Quote from: Jace Madan on Nov 27, 2011, 01:52:26 AM
Really, I think the biggest question I want answered is: Do the original Giger Xeno's (egg, facehugger, adult) appear in this movie? Or something new?
No Scott said he wanted something different because the Alien has been milked to hell and isn't even scary anymore.Something like it will probebly be in the movie,but in a different shape/form.
oh god yes
Decided to download it before Fox gets to it. Here is a screenshot of the SJ Chair:
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God this looks horrible!!!! Everything looks off...off...off!!!! :'( >:(
I hope you all know I'm joking. Bring on Prometheus ASAP!!!! That's all I can say. It looks excellent!!!
"what they discovered could be it's end..."
Who the hell proofreads these things? That's just embarrassing.
Oh, and everything else looks fantastic!
Oh, wow, surprised nobody else noticed. Surprised I didn't notice.
I aint read any spoilers or any leaked movie scripts on prometheus so ignore me if this idea has been said or ruled out.
Ok some of what im about to say will be obvious to the type of story plot that we all have been speculating. But after watching this trailer, it got me thinking. What if the Alien (if they is a new type of xeno in prometheus) was not infact created by the jockeys but was infact man made by the humans in Prometheus? What if the human's found differnt dna that was left by the Jockey's... Like the humans, find Human dna in them urns, in that room with the big human head? and also the prometheus crew find some non human alien dna in another room, that was also filled with urns. But this alien does not share the same dna from the first alien film, and its only link, is that it came from a jockey ship or structure. (maybe thats our link to the alien from nostromo)
(Back to this new dna that the prometheus crew find)
So the curious prometheus crew, take both dna and decide to mix em and bring it to life, by getting one of the female leads to volunteer in the name of science and to become impregnated and give birth to this unknown alien/human dna baby? But it all go's tits up, and what they then create is not what the were expecting, and is infact a new pure form of Alien?
Now what got me thinking this, was the dialogue that was spoken at the start of the trailer. (I WAS SO WRONG, IT WAS SO WRONG.... IM SO SORRY) and also you see a shot of one of the woman who looks pregnant and in pain.
So what if the Jockeys never made the Alien from prometheus? and the jocks are just some ancient aliens that travel across the galaxy kick starting life by selecting differnt urns to dump on planets and start life. Maybe the Alien dna is just some form of extremophile that was designed to live in extreme environments, that would be deadly to us humans. But cos the crew in prometheus plays about with the strange dna, the end up making a new/pure form of alien.... Like, what happens when you mate a european bee and african bee??? you get killer bees.
So god damn pumped. :o
From the very beginning of the video it sounds like:
[faint voice] "not going to stop... ... it's going... ...it's going to..."
[louder voice] "I was wrong... ...we were so wrong (it was so wrong?)... ...I'm so sorry..."
Things I noticed...
A lot of vapor/smoke in the scene where person grabs their head.
The serpentine thing looks almost like it's busting from an un illuminated helmet?
Jockey chair appears to be empty.
The shot of a person on medical table(?) later on in the trailer shows them with a majorly swollen stomach, just like the description said... definitely something new.
The "sand storm" sequence looks like she grabs something of importance off the ground as the storm rolls in - shot flicks to her with a "oh shit" look - then shows her getting blasted past some kind of landing strut per the production still.
Moving paste the break in the trailer shots, and the scene with Noomi in pain:
The person in space suit is definitely looking up at the "derelict" dug ass end into the ground.
Similar angle to what we're used to seeing but pointing more towards the sky.
Panning shot of our familiar "derelict".
Almost looks like - in the shot with what we presume is the ships shadow rolling over landscape - that the object in centre screen is someone kneeling down?
Pretty sure the sand storm is when the the alien ship lands or crashes kicking up all the dust.
Loved the trailer. Right now I anticipate Prometheus the most out of any upcoming movies. I already had high hopes and expectations about it, now Im even more convinced that this movie gonna be breathtaking
Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 27, 2011, 02:54:43 AM
Loved the trailer. Right now I anticipate Prometheus the most out of any upcoming movies. I already had high hopes and expectations about it, now Im even more convinced that this movie gonna be breathtaking
What've I been telling ya since the start? ;)
* * * * *
Watching this and hearing the sound from the original trailer....what a rush!
Proper screen grabs anyone?
Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I've been staying away from this forum because of spoilers but after watching that trailer, I'm assuming the Jockey is the bad guy here?
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I don't know. Do you have that feeling?
That response would make sense if he hadn't remembered to write "Why" as the very first word of the sentence.
What I meant was, it's an interesting idea, but where's it stemming from?
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 27, 2011, 03:18:33 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I don't know. Do you have that feeling?
Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. But I'm getting a strong feeling that the Prometheus space crew had something to do with the Derelict's crash.
wonder why the view counter on youtube isn't updating. It's stuck at 302
Prequelitis?
Anyone notice the similarity between this and the last third of the trailer for
The Thing?
In a place where there is nothing, they found something
They went looking for earth's beginning: what they found could be its end
- Both set to remixed versions of an iconic audio cue from the original.
- Both explore the origins of a mysterious spacecraft from the original.
And then you can say they're exact opposites.
The Thing prequel, by first time director: Called "The Thing" for name recognition to save box office from bad word of mouth
Alien prequel from director of original: Called "Prometheus" more likely than not due to serious confidence in story
Quote from: m138jewski on Nov 27, 2011, 03:42:20 AM
wonder why the view counter on youtube isn't updating. It's stuck at 302
Youtube is like that. Updating doesn't happen in real time. More like at least once a day and so on.
and also, the Thing prequel was awful
Wow. That's all I can say. What a gnarly trailer! I am so psyched up for this film. From the trailer, I can see very little that would lead me to believe that this film will be PG 13. I think that's all BS. Fox knows that even a solid R will generate millions as long as it is a solid movie. Ridley has always been a visionary so I believe regardless of the rating he will deliver something fantastic. It would surprise me though if he does go for a PG 13. Given his panache for the shocking, I am skeptical that this film will be anything other than R. I love everything I've seen so far. As far as the new look for the space suits, I'm okay with it. Granted the PS touch-ups are bad but I think they'll look great on screen after post. I aree with the whole scientists vs. blue collar working stiffs argument as to why the crew of the Nostromo had older looking stuff. Different ship, different purpose and different type of funding.
I remember seeing the original back in '78 when I was 9 years old. It forever addicted me to the SF genre. Like a junkie, I keep looking for that same rush of something so completely different that it inspires a whole new style of story telling. I feel totally confident that Scott will pull it off. I really don't even care how much it ties into the original as long as the story is solid. Man, talk about a fantasy coming true. After all these years, Ridley Scott directing new Science Fiction in the Alien Universe. So unbelievably cool.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 27, 2011, 03:55:23 AM
And then you can say they're exact opposites.
The Thing prequel, by first time director: Called "The Thing" for name recognition to save box office from bad word of mouth
Alien prequel from director of original: Called "Prometheus" more likely than not due to serious confidence in story
Hopefully these movies are as far removed from each other as possible because 'The Thing' prequel is total and utter shit !!
Has it been stated when we will see a HD trailer soon?
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 27, 2011, 04:41:49 AM
Has it been stated when we will see a HD trailer soon?
No official word yet. We are all guessing December though.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 27, 2011, 03:17:59 AM
I've been staying away from this forum because of spoilers but after watching that trailer, I'm assuming the Jockey is the bad guy here?
Well most people assume that the original Alien is the bad guy too, but remember the Alien never would have caused any harm to the crew of the Nostromo if they hadn't invaded it's home upon the derelict ship. It's possible and very probable that the humans in Prometheus invade the Jockey's world and attempt to do various experiments without regard to their (way of) life. Therefore the humans would be the bad guy and any harm that comes to them is in direct response to their invasion of the Jockey's home world. Just sayin
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 27, 2011, 01:42:30 AM
This is from 2010, before it became the "non-Alien" Prometheus movie. Of course, fooling us didn't last long ;)
Doesn't matter. The quotes should have over-ridden other rumours. There are several points where the director states without ambiguity that it's a very direct prequel.
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:28:55 AM
Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. But I'm getting a strong feeling that the Prometheus space crew had something to do with the Derelict's crash.
We still don't know if it crashes. We still don't even know if it
was something capable of flight.
Quote from: Icarus II on Nov 27, 2011, 05:36:13 AM
Well most people assume that the original Alien is the bad guy too, but remember the Alien never would have caused any harm to the crew of the Nostromo if they hadn't invaded it's home upon the derelict ship. It's possible and very probable that the humans in Prometheus invade the Jockey's world and attempt to do various experiments without regard to their (way of) life. Therefore the humans would be the bad guy and any harm that comes to them is in direct response to their invasion of the Jockey's home world. Just sayin
There's a difference between 'exploring' and 'invading'.
Here Ridley.
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That's all I can get my hands on right now. Take it. The top few may still be damp, but after ten minutes or so I stopped crying and pulled it together..
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 27, 2011, 06:39:02 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 27, 2011, 01:42:30 AM
This is from 2010, before it became the "non-Alien" Prometheus movie. Of course, fooling us didn't last long ;)
Doesn't matter. The quotes should have over-ridden other rumours. There are several points where the director states without ambiguity that it's a very direct prequel.
Ridley Scott later said it wasn't a prequel, that it had evolved into something original.
"THAT'S THE SPACE JOCKEY SHIP! THE DERELICT! YESS! f**k YES! FUUCKK YESSS!! YESSS!!!!" -My words exactly. And even though there were no words, I was definitely geeking out when I realized that the title came up the same way as ALIEN..
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
inb4 someone starts alluding TF3's music to the quality of the film
Other movie trailers have been known for using movie scores before. I remember the trailer for Far Cry (2008) used the score from Batman Begins (2005).
Feels good to be alive right now.
Take my money now !!!!!
Quote from: supperdup on Nov 27, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
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I hadn't noticed that. Just been rewatching this and it looks very similar to Richard Daborn's Space Jockey suit concept:
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Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:28:55 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 27, 2011, 03:18:33 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I don't know. Do you have that feeling?
Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. But I'm getting a strong feeling that the Prometheus space crew had something to do with the Derelict's crash.
What if the jockey on the derelict is Noomi Rapace in a last attempt to save humanity.
Quote from: Infected on Nov 27, 2011, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:28:55 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 27, 2011, 03:18:33 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I don't know. Do you have that feeling?
Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. But I'm getting a strong feeling that the Prometheus space crew had something to do with the Derelict's crash.
What if the jockey on the derelict is Noomi Rapace in a last attempt to save humanity.
;)
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 27, 2011, 07:28:21 AM
Other movie trailers have been known for using movie scores before. I remember the trailer for Far Cry (2008) used the score from Batman Begins (2005).
There are companies which specialise in making indcredibly epic music especially for use in promotional trailers. It's why you sometimes detect a piece of music and swear you've heard it before, but can't think of where... It's because you've only ever heard it on adverts and never the officially released soundtracks, because it's not done by the film's composer. :)
Search You Tube for stuff done by the likes of Two Steps From Hell and you'll see what I mean. Their '
Heart Of Courage' track, in particular, was used to great effect in a '
Mass Effect 2' advert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOEmHEd2XM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOEmHEd2XM#ws)
Groups like TSFH do truly
amazing stuff, which you'd swear is done by someone like Hans Zimmer, but isn't,
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
I hadn't noticed that. Just been rewatching this and it looks very similar to Richard Daborn's Space Jockey suit concept:
I'm hoping for the rumours about them potentially being serpentine from the waist down pans out to be true. They never look 'right', somehow, when pictured with legs and, assuming they aren't purely grown, themselves, as enslaved biological constructs, a large trunk would suit fitting into that chair a lot more and reflect some of Giger's early art.
If they
are suits, then it won't be anything new. '
Independence Day' already depicted that concept for a big budget movie.
Quote from: Infected on Nov 27, 2011, 11:14:41 AM
What if the jockey on the derelict is Noomi Rapace in a last attempt to save humanity.
Then how could her corpse get fossilized to that extent, that it gives impression of ancient reminders, just for 30 years?...
About the averall feel of this trailer, especially if to take into account it's tagline ("They went looking for Earth's beginning, what they found could be its end") and Rapace's words of remorse ("Was so wrong.. so sorry", etc) - I've got an idea, that Space Jockeys or whatever creatures, whose derelict ship or Ampule room the crew finds, have nothing to do with the creation of humankind. That is the Prometheus leaders are hoping they follow trace of our creators (according to their relics finds on the Earth), but when they show up at the coordinates, defined by those African's artifacts, they don't encounter "gods", but just another branch of living beings (or what had remained off them). And their discovery is calamitous.
Quote from: aliennaire on Nov 27, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Infected on Nov 27, 2011, 11:14:41 AM
What if the jockey on the derelict is Noomi Rapace in a last attempt to save humanity.
Then how could her corpse get fossilized to that extent, that it gives impression of ancient reminders, just for 30 years?...
About the averall feel of this trailer, especially if to take into account it's tagline ("They went looking for Earth's beginning, what they found could be its end") and Rapace's words of remorse ("Was so wrong.. so sorry", etc) - I've got an idea, that Space Jockeys or whatever creatures, whose derelict ship or Ampule room the crew finds, have nothing to do with the creation of humankind. That is the Prometheus leaders are hoping they follow trace of our creators (according to their relics finds on the Earth), but when they show up at the coordinates, defined by those African's artifacts, they don't encounter "gods", but just another branch of living beings (or what had remained off them). And their discovery is calamitous.
Ive read here somewere she is impregnated,
we know little of the engineers and according to the big face thing they will be human also so the jockey could be a suit.
somekind of growth suit that would explane the jockey burst and the s.o.s. if its growth then that could explain the fossilisation into the chair because the guy from the Nostrome just interpurted it wrong because he wasnt familiar with this kind of tech.
Pardon my bad English.
Quote from: Infected on Nov 27, 2011, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:28:55 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 27, 2011, 03:18:33 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I don't know. Do you have that feeling?
Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. But I'm getting a strong feeling that the Prometheus space crew had something to do with the Derelict's crash.
What if the jockey on the derelict is Noomi Rapace in a last attempt to save humanity.
Now THAT, I like... ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: supperdup on Nov 27, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F10xeii8.jpg&hash=08ff000ffc9e2de7f6ef59b5ecd61554b21486e1)
This is not the SJ on the bottom o the screen.
It's the same suited character that uses the flamethrower in the vehicule hangar in previous leaked images.
:)
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Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I don't know. Do you have that feeling?
Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. But I'm getting a strong feeling that the Prometheus space crew had something to do with the Derelict's crash.
What if the jockey on the derelict is Noomi Rapace in a last attempt to save humanity.
There is a guy on imdb called directordirector saying he has access to the spaiths screenplay and that concept is one of the elements in it.
I love how the words P R O M E T H E U S appear just like on A L I E N :D
and look the derelict :D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-ak.bebo.com%2Fimage%2F8386610908a12953570643l.jpg&hash=b86cb9e7b7ed0fa53e3838ac5b5d129150fae411)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_l5o7dcCvrh1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg&hash=bf6d80ea9730b91505732f2cd705451e0ff8cf4b)
And look at this... something is about to pop out of this stomach ? chest burster any one ?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-ak.bebo.com%2Fimage%2F8386610908a12953575874l.jpg&hash=d33fb9f8c4621f3f6e926bb85cb437f40033fb49)
and 2PAC any one ? lool
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-ak.bebo.com%2Fimage%2F8386610908a12953575872l.jpg&hash=c9e7c7b0bfa8d4ebf4ac7fa8769b96b4e74bdb24)
Already feel sad for the crew...i hope this movie gives that dark atmosphere that only alien movies can give.
Excellent! I am very excited! When the HD trailer comes out, I will be playing it on loop with the volume up!
I'm dying to see this movie & i don't want to die before i see it
i havent stopped watching this trailer since it was posted lol
im really excited for this movie, this is one of the best movie trailers ive ever seen, im absolutely certain that ridley is going to deliver the goods after watching this, it looks like its gonna be a non stop roller coaster of action and thriller story.
my only hope now is that the blade runner and robocop reboots get the same treatment.....
thanks
rich
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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 27, 2011, 06:39:02 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 27, 2011, 01:42:30 AM
This is from 2010, before it became the "non-Alien" Prometheus movie. Of course, fooling us didn't last long ;)
Doesn't matter. The quotes should have over-ridden other rumours. There are several points where the director states without ambiguity that it's a very direct prequel.
Ridley Scott later said it wasn't a prequel, that it had evolved into something original.
Probably at Fox's request, because they were nervous about upsetting fan boys who might appear, in their eyes, to want prequels to deliver all the familiar tropes of the ALIEN 'franchise'.
I've had a go at sketching what I could make out of the possible Space Jockey, it was one of the first things I've noticed . The possible space jockey's helmet is much longer down the front than the human's space helmet, but in the end it's just a space suit with a very strange helmet, and a humanoid with a strange posture, which makes it suspicious.
Attempt 1
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TjcGVqTn7o0/TtJAoQmBe9I/AAAAAAAAA1o/I25QBpvgJ-s/s320/possiblespacejockey.jpg)
Attempt 2
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3ydNA_pQv4Q/TtJOrNEwRII/AAAAAAAAA10/MP4drK2x394/s256/potentialspacejockey.jpg)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: supperdup on Nov 27, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F10xeii8.jpg&hash=08ff000ffc9e2de7f6ef59b5ecd61554b21486e1)
I hadn't noticed that. Just been rewatching this and it looks very similar to Richard Daborn's Space Jockey suit concept:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/1265322852_resized.jpg
Just a different type of spacesuit imo. This one in particular:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon17.jpg)
(Same environment)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon28.jpg)
(Same helmet)
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Nov 27, 2011, 01:51:32 PM
i havent stopped watching this trailer since it was posted lol
im really excited for this movie, this is one of the best movie trailers ive ever seen, im absolutely certain that ridley is going to deliver the godds after watching this, it looks like its gonna be anon stop roller coaster of action and thriller story.
my only hope now is that the blade runner and robocop reboots get the same treatment.....
thanks
rich
I don't have too many hopes for Blade Runner or Robocop, but honestly, after watching the trailer for Prometheus I am a bit more optimistic. Of course, trailers are just the product of the marketing department and are supposed to attract viewers, but at the same time I believe that it will be a good movie. The Thing was a disappointment, but Ridley has a 80% chance to pull off a good prequel.
As soon as the derelict ship appeared my heart almost skipped a beat. I cannot wait to see this.
Theres no way the object at 37 is a helmet, its defo organic in nature. if you frame by frame you can see it moving and flexing etc.pretty sure its the head of some alien life-form.
That trailer... so much... sheer... awesomeness.
My God.
Cannot wait to see it in proper quality.
Quote from: ikarop on Nov 27, 2011, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: supperdup on Nov 27, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F10xeii8.jpg&hash=08ff000ffc9e2de7f6ef59b5ecd61554b21486e1)
I hadn't noticed that. Just been rewatching this and it looks very similar to Richard Daborn's Space Jockey suit concept:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/1265322852_resized.jpg
Just a different type of spacesuit imo. This one in particular:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon17.jpg
(Same environment)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon28.jpg
(Same helmet)
Thanks for illustrating what i've been saying.
Quote from: Black on Nov 27, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
Theres no way the object at 37 is a helmet, its defo organic in nature. if you frame by frame you can see it moving and flexing etc.pretty sure its the head of some alien life-form.
I think it's turning around but I can't see movement in the head/helmet itself. It's translucent though and one can see the dark colours of some head or skull or whatever inside at the top of it
To be honest I was looking at the thing at 37 the wrong way until someone pointed it out.
I was looking at the humped back as a face with 2 eyes. It looks what I'd imagine the Jockey would look like underneath the suit. But yeah I can see the helmet/dome the same way everyone else can now and it's definitely not the same as the flamethrower guy.
By the way, are people certain that it's Rapace on the operating table? Could it not be Kate Dickie or whatever her name is. They both have red hair and we know they are both in the ampule room from the EW article.
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 27, 2011, 02:33:54 PM
To be honest I was looking at the thing at 37 the wrong way until someone pointed it out.
I was looking at the humped back as a face with 2 eyes. It looks what I'd imagine the Jockey would look like underneath the suit. But yeah I can see the helmet/dome the same way everyone else can now and it's definitely not the same as the flamethrower guy.
Well, it's a possible humanoid in a curious space suit with a backpack and a curious helmet. Maybe we'll hope to see something more before fully jumping to a conclusion. I did one study of it and then when I attempted again to work it out, there seems to be a lot more to be said about the shape of the helmet or whatever it is
I don't buy that it's another type of human spacesuit / helmet. The main reasoning being the massive hunch on the back/shoulders, the lack of neck, the fact that the hunch seems to be parallel to the top of the helmet and then the helmet curves downward towards the ground.
Those other human helmets go upwards much higher and also the guys wearing those helmets are also wearing the same royal blue suits as the other humans.
Quote from: ikarop on Nov 27, 2011, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: supperdup on Nov 27, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F10xeii8.jpg&hash=08ff000ffc9e2de7f6ef59b5ecd61554b21486e1)
I hadn't noticed that. Just been rewatching this and it looks very similar to Richard Daborn's Space Jockey suit concept:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/1265322852_resized.jpg
Just a different type of spacesuit imo. This one in particular:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon17.jpg
(Same environment)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon28.jpg
(Same helmet)
The white suit thing is in CGI,so i doubt its a different suit.
Looks great, like all of you I can't wait for an HD version. When do you guys think we will get it?
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-
The music in the trailer is a heavily modified version of a composition by a trailer music production company, similar to Audiomachine's newer stuff. I've heard it before on YouTube but I can't find it for the life of me. I KNOW IT'S THERE. I'VE HEARD IT. D:
Anyone had better luck?
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Nov 27, 2011, 03:35:06 PM
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-
The music in the trailer is a heavily modified version of a composition by a trailer music production company, similar to Audiomachine's newer stuff. I've heard it before on YouTube but I can't find it for the life of me. I KNOW IT'S THERE. I'VE HEARD IT. D:
Anyone had better luck?
Inb4TF3music.
I don't think it's that track from TF3- only one note is the same, as far as I can tell.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 27, 2011, 03:45:19 PM
I don't think it's that track from TF3- only one note is the same, as far as I can tell.
Yup your right.
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 27, 2011, 03:07:31 PM
I don't buy that it's another type of human spacesuit / helmet. The main reasoning being the massive hunch on the back/shoulders, the lack of neck, the fact that the hunch seems to be parallel to the top of the helmet and then the helmet curves downward towards the ground.
Those other human helmets go upwards much higher and also the guys wearing those helmets are also wearing the same royal blue suits as the other humans.
Well it doesn't appear to be anything recognisable from what we've seen so far. I'm not sure what to make of the body of the entity there in connection with the equipment that's connected to it. What if it's a man or humanoid encased in something like the flight pod in this photo but designed to be a sort of a suit.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.mp-cdn.net%2Fa7%2Fd5%2F68f509f991867d933c396d377d00.jpg&hash=563d7fe383b1f4cd5688ade9520f3883be80b9ee)
what's up with the inception music? totally unfitting...
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Nov 27, 2011, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 27, 2011, 02:33:54 PM
To be honest I was looking at the thing at 37 the wrong way until someone pointed it out.
I was looking at the humped back as a face with 2 eyes. It looks what I'd imagine the Jockey would look like underneath the suit. But yeah I can see the helmet/dome the same way everyone else can now and it's definitely not the same as the flamethrower guy.
Well, it's a possible humanoid in a curious space suit with a backpack and a curious helmet. Maybe we'll hope to see something more before fully jumping to a conclusion. I did one study of it and then when I attempted again to work it out, there seems to be a lot more to be said about the shape of the helmet or whatever it is
I'll ask the source. Maybe he remembers that scene. Specially if it's a living SJ.
Looks AWESOME, the space jockey rising from its hibernation chamber? was sick.
About time we see what really happened on that 'ship'
And the trailer STILL hasn't been pulled from youtube. Maybe FOX is finally coming to their senses and realizes that they need to release it soon?
Thanksgiving weekend nobody's around.
CAn the person who took the footage via there camcorder/mobile phone upload the actual version so we can get to see the real deal? Fox will take ages to release it!!!
Please?! ;D
Bri :-\
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
And the trailer STILL hasn't been pulled from youtube. Maybe FOX is finally coming to their senses and realizes that they need to release it soon?
its sunday, theyre all god fearing christians.... lol
maybe the real trailer is so close to release that they arent bothered about taking it down?!!!
thanks
rich
Quote from: ikarop on Nov 27, 2011, 03:53:12 PM
I'll ask the source. Maybe he remembers that scene. Specially if it's a living SJ.
Yes, we can see if he has any more of a clue than anyone else about what he was looking at
You know, Im still shocked that in those times Holywood actually did everything right about doing a sequel/prequel. They went back to Ridley, went back to Giger and the dark, classic tone. After seeing the trailer I think its even gonna be better than I thought before seeing it, and I already thought its going to be great. Now I get the feeling it might actually even be another classic
Cropped trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws)
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 04:06:00 PM
Cropped trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws)
Hat's off to you, Thanks! ;D
"They went looking for Earth's beginning, what they found could be it's end."
I'm waiting for an HD Prometheus Trailer ;).
Sometime it's gotta be released.
I watched the trailer so many times. It's definitely a movie related to Alien, if not an Alien movie.
Quote from: mastermoon on Nov 27, 2011, 04:31:11 PM
I'm waiting for an HD Prometheus Trailer ;).
Sometime it's gotta be released.
Hope the HD it's online soon m8.
Quote from: supperdup on Nov 27, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F10xeii8.jpg&hash=08ff000ffc9e2de7f6ef59b5ecd61554b21486e1)
it looks like the back of the helmets from the human enviroment suits tbh.
I don't think they would include a jockey in the trailer tbh. Its kinda something you'd want to leave for a more of a surprised when watching the film (we've only seen a skeleton version remember. not the full thing)
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
And the trailer STILL hasn't been pulled from youtube. Maybe FOX is finally coming to their senses and realizes that they need to release it soon?
Or maybe they know that if it is out on the net, there is no chance in hell to ever bringing it down again.
QuoteI don't think they would include a jockey in the trailer tbh. Its kinda something you'd want to leave for a more of a surprised when watching the film (we've only seen a skeleton version remember. not the full thing)
it is not the full thing. The scene lasts not that long and furthermore it shows the creature's back, from waist up.
You realize that our staff had to have gotten it from somewhere. Fox probably released it themselves?
Has it got aliens in it or not? lol i just want to know if its an alien movie or some other crap.. help anyone pls
I can barely see a damn thing.
We will get an HD version sometime.
Quote from: SHREK on Nov 27, 2011, 05:07:44 PM
Has it got aliens in it or not? lol i just want to know if its an alien movie or some other crap.. help anyone pls
Some other crap.
Looks pretty great. ;D
Anyone can make out who or what is grabbing someones head near the beginning of the trailer, the same way Alien grabbed Parker?
Quote from: maddriver on Nov 27, 2011, 05:04:38 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
And the trailer STILL hasn't been pulled from youtube. Maybe FOX is finally coming to their senses and realizes that they need to release it soon?
Or maybe they know that if it is out on the net, there is no chance in hell to ever bringing it down again.
QuoteI don't think they would include a jockey in the trailer tbh. Its kinda something you'd want to leave for a more of a surprised when watching the film (we've only seen a skeleton version remember. not the full thing)
it is not the full thing. The scene lasts not that long and furthermore it shows the creature's back, from waist up.
good point. but still, its more chances of it being a space suit in that specific shot than the space jockey
goddamned stills anyone? lol...I don't see this supposed shot of a space jockey.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 27, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
goddamned stills anyone? lol...I don't see this supposed shot of a space jockey.
here you go
Quote from: Black on Nov 26, 2011, 11:38:20 PM
A looping gif of the wierd thing at 0:37, notice how it moves and flexes:
http://i.picasion.com/pic46/04aa93cb07f1484f6ba82ff846d18ad9.gif
i'm not so sure if it really is a Space Jockey, but just from the proportions, i'd say its not just someone in a space suit.
Below that hand looks like a weird serpent.
for me it doesnt matter that there will be an actual alien in the movie...to be honest you can see what is the result if the alien is the main character only eg. resurrection, avp movies....
Hey guys Im Chad I have been a regular creeper of this forum for quite a while now. finally joined. so glad to be able to chat with you guys about prometheus. thanks for the staff for the trailer that was awesome.
Well theres a short shot between 28/29th second of the trailer, just before the shot with somebody pulling green glass tube or somethin. anyway that shot after some kind of medical room and table. Any ideas what a hell is that ? its moving, doesnt look like a human though. its wierd , there are like 2 different images put on one on antoher for a split second. ??????????
Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 27, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
Anyone can make out who or what is grabbing someones head near the beginning of the trailer, the same way Alien grabbed Parker?
it's a guy grabbing his helmet, it looks like he was sprayed in the face with acid or something, notice the smoke coming from the helmet. looks f**king amazing
Quote from: Bigticket on Nov 27, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
Well theres a short shot between 28/29th second of the trailer, just before the shot with somebody pulling green glass tube or somethin. anyway that shot after some kind of medical room and table. Any ideas what a hell is that ? its moving, doesnt look like a human though. its wierd , there are like 2 different images put on one on antoher for a split second. ??????????
Good spot! Just had a look there. Kind of a grey alien head. It definitely moves and looks like it's going down an elevator or something. It's a very quick shot between the two the pieces of footage mentioned above.
Just for the fun of it I'm going to lower my expectations so that when I see it finally see it my mind will be blown. In other words I'm NOT going to expect to see a xenomorph. If there isn't one I'll still be amazed, if there is one I'll be even more amazed.
Edit: Oh lord... that error...
(fixed now)
On the debate about a 'Space jockey being jumped upon':
I dont think its an SJ - it looks like its the same scene taking place with the 'land-crawler-vehicle-#2' in the background. Other footage shows a scene of a 'space suited figure' firing a flame thrower and he/she is on the right side of one of the land crawler vehicles. My guess is that somebody goes wild with a flame thrower and gets jumped on to make him/her stop!
As to who is the goodie/baddie - nobody knows at his point in time.
The gif of the astronaut making the jump attack makes it look like they get caught in a mini fiery death, if you look where they jump to, the last bit of the gif replaces them with an orange blob of fire...
The victim of the attack could be a SJ or another astronaut. I'd say the spacesuit seen on the crew with the weapons on a previous screencap as mentioned here, with the lengthy dome helmets that droop down past the chest, may be Engineer Biosuits.
Its been said the crew may be split between those who support the Engineer/SJ and those against it, lets say he gives those who support him versions of his biosuits.
Also, we havent seen any shots yet where the drooped dome space suits are next to normal unsuited people, so these people could potentially be walking around in 12ft bio-mechanical power armours.
...or not. I'm sure many will disagree, but its an idea.
I'm surprise no one post a negative comment yet? I see people on other web sites are like meh with the movie.
It has to be said:
What will the average-never-seen-Alien-before viewer get out of this movie?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 27, 2011, 05:05:34 PM
You realize that our staff had to have gotten it from somewhere. Fox probably released it themselves?
Fox probably still carries on the tests on which trailer's version to choose. That way or another, second leaked Prometheus trailer isn't finished yet, look at the very end, there are reserved two sequences (card 1, 2) for credits, I guess.
What will actually remain in the final cut, I assume, is the trailer's music background.
(This score has stuck into my mind, I hope, I won't hear it tomorrow on the background to whatever I do, lol!)
As for the SJ/man-in-a-suit conjectures, has anybody seen how those navy blue environmental suits are looking from the back with that oxigen-supplying unit on the area of the shoulder bones? Could't it be just a regular crew member who's tilted his/her head downwards?
Quote from: 180924609 on Nov 27, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
It has to be said:
What will the average-never-seen-Alien-before viewer get out of this movie?
I think anyone who is never seen Alien will view the movie as another science fiction film. I think Fox will market this movie not as a Alien movie but as a big budget science fiction film instead.
6-8-2012 i see thats August and not June.
Quote from: Infected on Nov 27, 2011, 09:02:36 PM
6-8-2012 i see thats August and not June.
no, it's june... MM/DD/YY in America
Yeah, they're weird and reverse it around. :P
Quote from: 180924609 on Nov 27, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
It has to be said:
What will the average-never-seen-Alien-before viewer get out of this movie?
Would they be so attentive and patient to go through all the movie, they could end up speechlessly stunned with a whirl of questions and guesses about it. Knowing Scott's habit to leave the films with some concealed aspects to it, it could render a number of conundrums for Alien series fandom too. :)
Quote from: namtraz on Nov 27, 2011, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 27, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
Anyone can make out who or what is grabbing someones head near the beginning of the trailer, the same way Alien grabbed Parker?
it's a guy grabbing his helmet, it looks like he was sprayed in the face with acid or something, notice the smoke coming from the helmet. looks f**king amazing
He is grabbing his own helmet ;)
So Noomi will die? Im guessing she has a chestbuster inside her...and the crew will save the Earth from the wrath of the "God's" and one of the results of this action will be the derelict on lv-426.
Hmmm....... Not an alien movie.... Yeah right....
DERELICT (Standing Before falling and cracking)....
LV426 (Where they found it in alien, need i say more)....
PILOT (coming out of the floor, awsome)....
Now i think two of my questions about alien will be anwsered:
1. How did weyland yatani know about the derelict....
2. Where did the alien that burst out of the pilot go....
Not to mention that all those metal things are placed just like the eggs in alien....
I also think that we will get to see de-evolutioned aliens before human dna became a part of it.
Which means a different life-cycle complements of the pilot dna.......
Even with this i can´t wait to see it in the theatre and buy it on dvd or blu-ray.......
Heres a quicker version of that first gif:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgickr.com%2Fresults3%2Fanim_3b3ac16c-59f9-7da4-9da9-4ce43b07ee8e.gif&hash=3fcf5f06cc0f9d0fbbf2f67be4ed4f66d9cec066)
I defo think this looks like the top of some alien creatures head, you can see the shine/slimeness, the orientation would be that it is facing the camera with its head facing a bit to our left/it's right.
As it moves its head to our left you can see the back of its head wobble a bit, the shine and reflections on it are uniform over the whole object, it looks a bit like some huge elongated serpent/worm shape, i'm sure the shine is being confused with a helmet visor.
Maybe im wrong but something about it just looks very Alien to me, not saying it's a Xeno or a Jockey but i'd defo wager on this being some form of alien life that is wreaking havoc here.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 04:06:00 PM
Cropped trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws)
Awesome man !
Thanks
So thats the actual soundtrack ?
sounds very 'Alien' to me ??!!
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 27, 2011, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 27, 2011, 04:06:00 PM
Cropped trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEArRPNcIw#ws)
Awesome man !
Thanks
So thats the actual soundtrack ?
sounds very 'Alien' to me ??!!
Alienception!
I love they used the sound from the original Alien trailer... classic stuff.
Also man, the derelict... pure awesome... now if only I could actually make out what was going on... can't wait for the high res trailer.. I must admit I'm impressed by what I've seen so far,
I was a bit disappointed by the big human head (wanted something much more Giger).. but this all looks good
Quote from: Black on Nov 27, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
Heres a quicker version of that first gif:
http://gickr.com/results3/anim_3b3ac16c-59f9-7da4-9da9-4ce43b07ee8e.gif
I defo think this looks like the top of some alien creatures head, you can see the shine/slimeness, the orientation would be that it is facing the camera with its head facing a bit to the left.
As it moves its head to our left you can see the back of its head wobble a bit, the shine and reflections on it are uniform over the whole object, it looks a bit like some huge elongated serpent/worm shape, i'm sure the shine is being confused with a helmet visor.
Maybe im wrong but something about it just looks very Alien to me, not saying it's a Xeno or a Jockey but i'd defo wager on this being some form of alien life that is wreaking havoc here.
I saw it the exact same way as you. That the possible creature has it's back to the jumping person and is facing the camera. You can even see 2 eyes. And what people are thinking is a space helmet is actually the back of it's weird head.
Quote from: Black on Nov 27, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
http://gickr.com/results3/anim_3b3ac16c-59f9-7da4-9da9-4ce43b07ee8e.gif
Well i think it's not that hard to figure out despite the poor quality.The person in a suit shooting a flamethrower in the teaser is being stalked(tricked) by somebody.I'm even guessing that there is some sort of a conflict between different crew members and they got in a fight.
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 27, 2011, 09:53:41 PM
I saw it the exact same way as you. That the possible creature has it's back to the jumping person and is facing the camera. You can even see 2 eyes. And what people are thinking is a space helmet is actually the back of it's weird head.
This exactly mate, time will tell i guess.
Quote from: szkoki on Nov 27, 2011, 09:24:34 PM
Quote from: namtraz on Nov 27, 2011, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 27, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
Anyone can make out who or what is grabbing someones head near the beginning of the trailer, the same way Alien grabbed Parker?
it's a guy grabbing his helmet, it looks like he was sprayed in the face with acid or something, notice the smoke coming from the helmet. looks f**king amazing
He is grabbing his own helmet ;)
So Noomi will die? Im guessing she has a chestbuster inside her...and the crew will save the Earth from the wrath of the "God's" and one of the results of this action will be the derelict on lv-426.
I don't think it's Noomi, i think the crew gets attacked inside the derelict, and that leads to the screenshot of the person being hugged close.
Could that be the Jockey in that shot? But it does look Alien as well. Hmmm.
Clicked through it about a hundred times now with media player classic playing at full speed, the thing flexes like a snake at the back 100%, im dying to be proved wrong that this is some wierd new creature lol
You're probably right about it being a new creature. Probably with a little hint of Alien DNA in it.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww there it goesssssssss!
The trailer I mean.
how could it take FOX so long to take that down? its there for over a day and got to almost 100,000 views. viral marketing?
Quote from: m138jewski on Nov 27, 2011, 10:24:38 PM
how could it take FOX so long to take that down? its there for over a day and got to almost 100,000 views. viral marketing?
I think they know how much hype trailers like these generate. Look at the screencaps from ComiCon. I think they've got used to the idea and are using this as a marketing strategy. But hell, who am I to complain? We've got a trailer here, haven't we? :D
They let it out for a little over 24 hours. Now FOXY, where is the HD version pleasssssssssssse.
ok fox is definitely releasing a trailer soon
Quote from: m138jewski on Nov 27, 2011, 10:24:38 PM
how could it take FOX so long to take that down? its there for over a day and got to almost 100,000 views. viral marketing?
People are JUST starting to ask this?
It's been obvious to me since the 'Comic-Con leak'...
Fox are seemingly feeling the financial pinch, as well.
How about its the weekend and people don't work at the weekend?
I reckon it's Kate Dickie who gets impregnated. She's in the ampule room too.
Well PR don't work on a weekend.
And it's the holidays. It will be taken down tomorrow I bet but hopefully most of us have saved it to our hard drives by then. ;)
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 27, 2011, 11:00:51 PM
And it's the holidays. It will be taken down tomorrow I bet but hopefully most of us have saved it to our hard drives by then. ;)
It's been gone about an hour now man.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2011, 10:55:29 PM
How about its the weekend and people don't work at the weekend?
yeah but you think the marketing team would be on top of this regardless. Im not complaining, Im glad that shit got out, but it lasted alot longer than I was expecting
I'm sure if you look hard enough, you'll still find it.
its on ebaums, various other sites have it up too
OMFG, i cant wait....
whatching it again...i hope im wrong but i think that scene about Idris Elba's character its about his death. ??? I think he is killed from behind.
Something mounted him ??? or you mean the explosion?
Hey what's up with the big face in the urn room? It looks like Corporal Hicks's avatar. Again I haven't been looking at photos or anything so if its been talked about I didn't know. But it looks really cool that's for sure.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 28, 2011, 12:53:50 AM
Hey what's up with the big face in the urn room? It looks like Corporal Hicks's avatar. Again I haven't been looking at photos or anything so if its been talked about I didn't know. But it looks really cool that's for sure.
Haven't you seen the official production stills? That is where Hicks and Chups got their avatars. We're not sure what it means, but people are speculating things like it marking that room as the human DNA room, some sort of cult, a statue representing human-like space jockeys, etc. No clue.
And thankfully on page 15 we still have JayDeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's crop of the trailer.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 28, 2011, 12:57:37 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 28, 2011, 12:53:50 AM
Hey what's up with the big face in the urn room? It looks like Corporal Hicks's avatar. Again I haven't been looking at photos or anything so if its been talked about I didn't know. But it looks really cool that's for sure.
Haven't you seen the official production stills? That is where Hicks and Chups got their avatars. We're not sure what it means, but people are speculating things like it marking that room as the human DNA room, some sort of cult, a statue representing human-like space jockeys, etc. No clue.
And thankfully on page 15 we still have JayDeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's crop of the trailer.
No, I didn't know those were released. Just seen this trailer that's all. I'll go check out the pics right now.
Glad I downloaded that shit when it leaked.
Especially since it'll never be available again.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 01:30:32 AM
Glad I downloaded that shit when it leaked.
the cropped version is still up anyway.
thanks
rich
I'm glad I ripped the video and now have it on my computer. There is no audio though, as my virtual audio cable settings weren't right when I attempted it. :P
Virtual audio? Doh, just use Download Helper PlugIn ;D
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 28, 2011, 02:04:24 AM
Virtual audio? Doh, just use Download Helper PlugIn ;D
hmm. never heard of that. I have vista and there is no "Stereo mix" ability when recording on my laptop, so i use virtual audio cable when i have to rip the sound from videos.
Can't you just use something like KeepVid?
The best tag line for Prometheus is...."God is a man of war"
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 02:20:30 AM
The best tag line for Prometheus is...."God is a man of war"
assuming the story ends up as were all expecting/speculating as in the gods try and kill us for stealing then yes thats an excellent tag although im not sure the general public would get it!.
thanks
rich
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And made ME in his image, bitches!
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2011, 02:36:52 AM
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And made ME in his image, bitches!
Ladies and gentlemen, our new nightmare fuel.
Zoomed in version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC5U0e8FA5g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC5U0e8FA5g#ws)
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2011, 02:10:49 AM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 28, 2011, 02:04:24 AM
Virtual audio? Doh, just use Download Helper PlugIn ;D
hmm. never heard of that. I have vista and there is no "Stereo mix" ability when recording on my laptop, so i use virtual audio cable when i have to rip the sound from videos.
i use sothink web video downloader
I use zamzar. It doesn't require any program download- it does it from the site.
I use Youtube downloader. It does it from the site as well.
Quote from: 180924609 on Nov 27, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
What will the average-never-seen-Alien-before viewer get out of this movie?
You'll be able to answer that question when you see it, like the rest of us. :)
Hopefully, 'entertainment'.
Quote from: szkoki on Nov 27, 2011, 09:24:34 PM
So Noomi will die? Im guessing she has a chestbuster inside her...and the crew will save the Earth from the wrath of the "God's" and one of the results of this action will be the derelict on lv-426.
Nobody knows
anything about it. They could
all die. They could
all also survive, get lost and die before ever getting back to Earth. They could all mutate into other creatures. They could all get back and then be paid off by their superiors in exchange for silence. They could all be captured and turned into eternally-living extraterrestrial breeding machines. They could try and ally with one faction of extraterrestrials to survive against another and then be turned into eggs.
No way to know.
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 27, 2011, 09:34:54 PM
So thats the actual soundtrack?
No indication. It could be music specifically supplied by companies I referred to earlier, like Two Steps From Hell, who compose and supply epic music for promotional material like new film adverts. The BBC was using some of their stuff, a while back, to advertise '
Doctor Who' with.
Now that would be interesting shit if the crew of the Prometheus were cocooned into eggs....that could be something to watch.
QuoteQuoteSo Noomi will die? Im guessing she has a chestbuster inside her...and the crew will save the Earth from the wrath of the "God's" and one of the results of this action will be the derelict on lv-426.
Nobody knows anything about it. They could all die. They could all also survive, get lost and die before ever getting back to Earth. They could all mutate into other creatures. They could all get back and then be paid off by their superiors in exchange for silence. They could all be captured and turned into eternally-living extraterrestrial breeding machines. They could try and ally with one faction of extraterrestrials to survive against another and then be turned into eggs.
Considering Noomi is pregnant, I have some idea that she gives birth (human-style) to some kind of creature, what will eventually become the xenomorph. Kind of inspired by Vincent Ward's alternate take on his script, where the monks manage to get the alien out of Ripley, or even the fact that the alien impregnated Ripley "the old fashioned way."
Or I could be completely on the other side of the premise.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 04:02:32 AM
Now that would be interesting shit if the crew of the Prometheus were cocooned into eggs....that could be something to watch.
That's an idea that some people want to see happen. I really wish Ridley would've kept that scene in the original cut of Alien to establish it as official canon for future sequels.
Only if it could've been included in such a way that makes some sort of narrative sense and didn't bring the climax to a screeching halt.
Disagree...that inclusion just upped the ante for me. It's a brilliant scene and perfectly place addition.
Nah - Ripley had no reason to be down on C-Deck in the first place and everything just grinds to a halt. Riddles was correct in cutting it in the first place. Should've moved it to just after finding Parker and Lambert dead before she throws the switches. Might've gotten away with it.
Disagree. But oh we'll ;)
If he'd kept it where it was in the script -- after Parker and Lambert, hearing Dallas moaning -- it would've been one last final "Aw f**k seriously?" moment. Putting it after the countdown is just poor pacing.
Problem with where it is, even if they overdubbed some moaning there's no way Ripley could've heard it over the alarms.
Does the Redux do anything with this? I would've thought they could've used exisiting footage and audio to shift the scene to a more sensible position?
Redux, strangely, keeps it right where the DC has it. They go so far as to dub the alarm sound over the extra footage.
They'd have to fade it down a bit for the dialogue though?
They do.
The jumping between the polished DC quality and the Alien Legacy footage is a bit jarring. Considering they left in production audio, I'm at a loss as to why they didn't just use all Legacy footage for the sequence.
Hi all; long time lurker, first time poster (and a bit of a Prometheus tourist, sorry).
So in the trailer we have 2 ships and some action shots, one of them showing dudes with hand guns, and on the IMDB cast list we have a bunch of 'mercenaries' listed, so... perhaps the Company also sends (in secret perhaps) a second ship, the Magellan, which is full of ex-military bad asses, as insurance for their 'investment'. The scientists get messed up by _____ and want to destroy _____ to protect humanity, but the mercenaries won't have it, so we get the action stuff - flamers, guns, people leaping off things, explosions etc. But the mercenaries fail... hence the Company's sheer bloody-mindedness for (re?)obtaining the species from LV426 in the original film.
The trailer has my head in a spin. Thanks for the upload. ;)
-Chris
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2011, 01:33:42 AM
I'm glad I ripped the video and now have it on my computer. There is no audio though, as my virtual audio cable settings weren't right when I attempted it. :P
you go to the mozilla site at the adons section and search:
- easy youtube downloader . it shows a box under the youtube video click on it and you have options to donload the video either in high/low flv format,standard definition/hd,full hd mp4 and mp3 formats.takes a couple of seconds for me to download.
-download helper . with this you can download streams from most of the sites but you only get standard mp4 or flc
-flash video downloader . this one is better then download helper with a nicer interface when you download.
all of them are easy to install and only need a click to download your media
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-video-downloader-youtube/?src=search (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-video-downloader-youtube/?src=search)
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Loved it. I said I wouldn't get hyped but f**k it. Cant wait for a clear official trailer.
dat erect jockey ship.
I dont think i ever came so hard..
that is just amazing !!!
By the way, I'm not sure if this was brought up before, but there are two main musical motifs in the trailer's music, that sinister guitar-like riff and some high-pitched otherworldly tone. That very tone is the same sound that was used in 1979 trailer for Alien.
It first occurs at 00:57:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws)
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Nov 28, 2011, 09:25:11 AM
By the way, I'm not sure if this was brought up before, but there are two main musical motifs in the trailer's music, that sinister guitar-like riff and some high-pitched otherworldly tone. That very tone is the same sound that was used in 1979 trailer for Alien.
It first occurs at 00:57:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws)
We know 8)
I don't really understand why they went and changed the two most famous deleted scenes when they got reinserted. Dallas doesn't do as much of the disturbed moaning (or doesn't request to be killed; can't remember which), which makes it feel a lot more pedestrian. The scene where the signal is heard got changed from the ominous 'doppler whale song' thing to just digital static, which completely fouls up the crew's reactions when they hear it.
Then they didn't bother changing the only thing which actually needs it, which is inserting a quick shot away between the fake and real Ash's head. That part is always jarring. >:(
It would be nice if the egg transformation ability is canonised in this one, for good, though. It's got all sorts of excruciating and disturbing implications... Does each victim 'live' in that state for as long as the eggs are viable? Is the resulting facehugger a parasite or the original victim which mutated? That sort of stuff. Something utterly horrifying which requires absolutely no blood being shown on screen.
Plus, would demonstrate the one potential weakness of the Aliens no longer applies: They don't need Queens to start breeding. Or rather, it's how they get Queens, but that can be inferred...
Another nice addition would be whether the things (assuming they're genetically related to the Aliens we know) are capable of cellular regeneration from injuries. It would make them a far more formidable foe... Gunned down smoking Alien corpses all around you, a few minutes/hours later all starting to move and rise back up. Wouldn't be at all difficult to portray. Even 'Species', another Giger project, managed to do that.
Ah man this is looking so awesome! I almost feel like a kid again waiting for something in anticipation. It's been so long since I actually wanted to see a movie. :)
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2011, 05:05:13 AM
Nah - Ripley had no reason to be down on C-Deck in the first place and everything just grinds to a halt. Riddles was correct in cutting it in the first place. Should've moved it to just after finding Parker and Lambert dead before she throws the switches. Might've gotten away with it.
Yeah, that's always bothered me about the coccon scene in Alien, the script and I believe the book (though I dont have it anymore) did it right. Though I always thought it should never have been cut anyway (my opinon), putting it in the wrong place for the DC really didnt help matters, cutting even further (I suppose to add pacing) even less so.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 28, 2011, 09:31:56 AMIs the resulting facehugger a parasite or the original victim which mutated?
Or both?
"You're gonna do what?"
"....finger, I'm going to try and get his finger off, just a moment."
The eggs on the derelict contained facehuggers with fingers and fingernails, that gave birth to aliens with fingers and finger nails and rib cages and two legs and two arms and toenails etc. Do these 'human' aspects of the alien come just from the original host, or were they there from 'the beginning'?
I'm hoping for the latter, as it is the only decent story arc that this franchise can take IMO. It lets the alien be whatever lame-snarly-drooling-monster it becomes in subsequent movies and takes us back to something far more
alien.
-Chris.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 28, 2011, 04:06:30 AM
QuoteQuoteSo Noomi will die? Im guessing she has a chestbuster inside her...and the crew will save the Earth from the wrath of the "God's" and one of the results of this action will be the derelict on lv-426.
Nobody knows anything about it. They could all die. They could all also survive, get lost and die before ever getting back to Earth. They could all mutate into other creatures. They could all get back and then be paid off by their superiors in exchange for silence. They could all be captured and turned into eternally-living extraterrestrial breeding machines. They could try and ally with one faction of extraterrestrials to survive against another and then be turned into eggs.
Considering Noomi is pregnant, I have some idea that she gives birth (human-style) to some kind of creature, what will eventually become the xenomorph. Kind of inspired by Vincent Ward's alternate take on his script, where the monks manage to get the alien out of Ripley, or even the fact that the alien impregnated Ripley "the old fashioned way."
Or I could be completely on the other side of the premise.
If she is pregnant and she happens to be an android because of the whole ASH BISHOP CALL DAVID ELIZABETH thing. Then there is your biomechanoid for sure. Alien Dna, Human/Robot Dna.
Are we discussing the entire film, here, based on a few seconds of blurry visual images?
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Nov 28, 2011, 01:38:26 PM
Are we discussing the entire film, here, based on a few seconds of blurry visual images?
Yeah, actually, Prometheus is a short movie. It doesn't get longer than what we've seen ;D
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 28, 2011, 09:31:56 AM
It would be nice if the egg transformation ability is canonised in this one, for good, though. It's got all sorts of excruciating and disturbing implications... Does each victim 'live' in that state for as long as the eggs are viable? Is the resulting facehugger a parasite or the original victim which mutated? That sort of stuff. Something utterly horrifying which requires absolutely no blood being shown on screen.
I absolutely agree with you on this!
On a shocking level, the scene of abrupt victim's scull torpedoing can be equated only with inevitable, torturous and slow deforming into the egg. On the symbolical level, the scene can cause a number of hints at degradation (either pertinent physical, if to speak literally, or moral).
Anyway it would be congruous to the franchise to have this scene, and hopefully the new film will include some elements of it.
Quote from: aliennaire on Nov 28, 2011, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 28, 2011, 09:31:56 AM
It would be nice if the egg transformation ability is canonised in this one, for good, though. It's got all sorts of excruciating and disturbing implications... Does each victim 'live' in that state for as long as the eggs are viable? Is the resulting facehugger a parasite or the original victim which mutated? That sort of stuff. Something utterly horrifying which requires absolutely no blood being shown on screen.
I absolutely agree with you on this!
On a shocking level, the scene of abrupt victim's scull torpedoing can be equated only with inevitable, torturous and slow deforming into the egg. On the symbolical level, the scene can cause a number of hints at degradation (either pertinent physical, if to speak literally, or moral).
Anyway it would be congruous to the franchise to have this scene, and hopefully the new film will include some elements of it.
It would actually be quite disturbing to see a helpless living organism, turn into a mute egg.
It's like, going all the way back. ;)
i prefer the egg metamorphosis over the parasite/queen method any day. hoping its in the movie.
Quote from: AncientPred on Nov 28, 2011, 03:09:37 PM
i prefer the egg metamorphosis over the parasite/queen method any day. hoping its in the movie.
I prefer either of those over the 'Egg barfing' method introduced in AvP:R. ::)
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Nov 28, 2011, 02:51:52 PM
It would actually be quite disturbing to see a helpless living organism, turn into a mute egg.
It's like, going all the way back. ;)
...to the phase of "embrio", with a fading away conscience...
Another close association I can draw of this view is murdering living beings for organs' transplantion... brrr!
Quote from: AncientPred on Nov 28, 2011, 03:09:37 PM
i prefer the egg metamorphosis over the parasite/queen method any day. hoping its in the movie.
Both methods have their advantages and flows, and can be used interchangeably depending on factor of hosts availability. :)
i like to think the metamorphosis method fits in more with the original terra-forming idea. the Queen method functions with a more direct and basic story.
Quote from: aliennaire on Nov 28, 2011, 03:14:55 PM
...to the phase of "embrio embryo", with a fading away conscience...
Another close association I can draw of this view is murdering living beings for organs' transplantion... brrr!
Correction made. :)
Yeah, it's pretty sadistic. But aren't Alien movies supposed to be sadistic? :laugh:
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Nov 28, 2011, 03:29:39 PM
Correction made. :)
Yeah, it's pretty sadistic. But aren't Alien movies supposed to be sadistic? :laugh:
Thanks! Sorry... :)
Well, in my opinion, Alien movies aren't sadistic in terms of quantity of represented there slaughter episodes and their intensity, but these films provoke a haunting impact after you get the whole scale of narration. For instance,
Aliens, was always the most gore-ish part to me, because 1) sheer Maths tells there is superior number of victims over the ones in other series (157 colonists + 13 member of the Sulaco crew) - correct me if I'm wrong; 2) there are kids among those victims (but it's my personal take on it, maybe for the reason, that I'm a woman).
So on the same note, I hope
Prometheus will unveil (or give cues to) the stunning story, worth of pondering over the same long, as my favouirite films are ruminated about for 30/25 years and on ;)
I have to admit, I got very excited at the shots of the derelict! That trailer just jumped my interest like 10-fold...and I was already very excited about this movie!
I'm a lurker that decided to register just because I thought this leaked trailer was so awesome.
Absolutely love it. And Alien is my number one favorite movie of all time.
Seeing the Derelict and the SJ chair rising up made me geek out. And that horn sound from the first Alien trailer helps so much with the atmosphere. Footage looks great and it is a very dramatically effective teaser.
I love Noomi's delivery of "I WAS SO WRONG, I WAS SO WRONG, I'M SORRY", chill inducing.
Overall the cast for this is fantastic. Pearce, Fassbender, Rapace and Theron. I dig them all.
Welcome Melack! I agree, seeing the vertical Derelict was indeed chill inducing! :o
and the delicious Patrick Wilson by the way ;)
OMFG! He's pretty cute ;D
Spoiler
I want.
Hopefully the flashbacks that include Patrick display him fully frontally nude :)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 05:50:56 PM
Hopefully the flashbacks that include Patrick display him fully frontally nude :)
considering that there's a good chance he might be shaw's father, this seems a little awkward :D
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 05:50:56 PM
Hopefully the flashbacks that include Patrick display him fully frontally nude :)
Whoa, uh..
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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 05:50:56 PM
Hopefully the flashbacks that include Patrick display him fully frontally nude :)
Probably not. Besides, if you want to see him nude, go watch Watchmen (prefferably, the director's cut that's on the 2-Disk DVD and Blu-ray version of the film).
dang it i was too late to see the trailer! does anyone know where i can see?
I was pseudo-joking ;) I crush on the man however. He's genetic perfection.
Quote from: robogutswolfpred on Nov 28, 2011, 10:58:01 PM
dang it i was too late to see the trailer! does anyone know where i can see?
here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuE-T7kp-6Q#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuE-T7kp-6Q#ws)
thanks
rich
There is a certain sticky you can go to if you want to find a download link for the trailer
Remember, everything new about this movie, everything that gets leaked is part of the News Archive.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 28, 2011, 11:07:31 PM
...Remember, everything new about this movie, everything that gets leaked is part of the News Archive...
Because JaaayDee is a god.
I must have watched the leaked trailer about 20 times now :laugh:
Besides all the "sounds like this, inception that" - no one seems to have commented on what they thought about the score for the trailer.
If I was watching just the images without audio... I would be excited, but not nearly as much as with the tense score. I think it's bang on for creating a buzz but also making you feel tense watching. Exciting but scary.
I'm just hoping any of the films actual score is atmospheric, just as the original - and not jarring.
The score in the trailer suits a trailer... not sure how it would go in an intense scene... say the scene with Charlize running down the hallway (example: assuming it is tense and climatic).
Anyway, I could watch and lsiten to this thing all day long. Cannot wait to see it in HD.
Quote from: Alien³ on Nov 28, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
I must have watched the leaked trailer about 20 times now :laugh:
ive lost count! lol.
that scene with someone looking up at the derelict is really awesome, it reminds me of the first time i saw the star destroyer fly over on the beginning of star wars.
thanks
rich
Quote from: josh_axey on Nov 28, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 28, 2011, 11:07:31 PM
...Remember, everything new about this movie, everything that gets leaked is part of the News Archive...
Because JaaayDee is an god Engineer.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 28, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: josh_axey on Nov 28, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 28, 2011, 11:07:31 PM
...Remember, everything new about this movie, everything that gets leaked is part of the News Archive...
Because JaaayDee is an god Engineer.
God..
Engineer..
Topic...
I see what you did there :D
I'm telling you, this is history we're witnessing, and I really believe Prometheus will again redefine the science fiction genre the way ALIEN and BladeRunner did back when they were released. These images are so powerful, so magnetic and beautiful...and aside from a homage clip of Vickers running down a corridor, this film feels so fresh. My excitement is so palpable.
lower your expectations, you'll jinx it!
Spoiler
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 28, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: josh_axey on Nov 28, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 28, 2011, 11:07:31 PM
...Remember, everything new about this movie, everything that gets leaked is part of the News Archive...
Because JaaayDee is a god Engineer.
[offtopic] Damn 'merican spelling :P [/offtopic]
I'm wanting to know just how vast the structure housing the head/urns/etc. is going to be.... I really want to see some huge "giger-scapes".
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 11:47:45 PM
I'm telling you, this is history we're witnessing, and I really believe Prometheus will again redefine the science fiction genre the way ALIEN and BladeRunner did back when they were released. These images are so powerful, so magnetic and beautiful...and aside from a homage clip of Vickers running down a corridor, this film feels so fresh. My excitement is so palpable.
X 1,000
i guess fox is cracking down, all the videos are coming down
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 28, 2011, 11:47:45 PM
I'm telling you, this is history we're witnessing, and I really believe Prometheus will again redefine the science fiction genre the way ALIEN and BladeRunner did back when they were released. These images are so powerful, so magnetic and beautiful...and aside from a homage clip of Vickers running down a corridor, this film feels so fresh. My excitement is so palpable.
That's just it, isn't it? It seems they've got a script and a style so good, this movie doesn't
need to be 'Alien 5'. And for the studio to agree, and let Ridley & Co. do their thing, bodes very well for the film. I think this movie might just light a fire under a lot of peoples' asses! ;D
Space jockey is back
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc03.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Fi%2F2010%2F163%2F4%2Fa%2FSpace_Jockey_WIP_by_Watkinsons.png&hash=69f7c5a1403ad9b52bc838ad369ffc354b8b6d22)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daemonsbooks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2FSpace-Jockey-enclosure.jpg&hash=22528159532a2614d0cbc055a23a02cfe736051d)
Can't wait to see him
Quote from: r888 on Nov 29, 2011, 03:30:00 AM
Space jockey is back
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc03.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Fi%2F2010%2F163%2F4%2Fa%2FSpace_Jockey_WIP_by_Watkinsons.png&hash=69f7c5a1403ad9b52bc838ad369ffc354b8b6d22)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daemonsbooks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2FSpace-Jockey-enclosure.jpg&hash=22528159532a2614d0cbc055a23a02cfe736051d)
Can't wait to see him
You do know it's fan art right? Deviantart?
i hope the lower half of the jockey is cooler than just big fat legs lol ;)
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Nov 29, 2011, 03:39:06 AM
Quote from: r888 on Nov 29, 2011, 03:30:00 AM
Space jockey is back
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc03.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Fi%2F2010%2F163%2F4%2Fa%2FSpace_Jockey_WIP_by_Watkinsons.png&hash=69f7c5a1403ad9b52bc838ad369ffc354b8b6d22)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daemonsbooks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2FSpace-Jockey-enclosure.jpg&hash=22528159532a2614d0cbc055a23a02cfe736051d)
Can't wait to see him
You do know it's fan art right? Deviantart?
yeah I know
But its going to be very good to see him again
LOL
ALL I can find online about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muTKi8wyatc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muTKi8wyatc#)
Yeah, that work is quite pedestrian....no thanks.
Can someone please point me in the right direction so I can watch this trailer?
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Nov 29, 2011, 04:39:26 AM
Can someone please point me in the right direction so I can watch this trailer?
there's a download link in the news thread at the top and somewhere in this thread, but all the ones that where online that i know of have been blocked/removed.
thanks
rich
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Nov 29, 2011, 04:39:26 AM
Can someone please point me in the right direction so I can watch this trailer?
found one for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVv_Ix1lLlY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVv_Ix1lLlY#)
thanks
rich
Cheers, Rich.
Well I can't really tell what was going on there. The bit at the end looks like someone running away from something large crashing down behind them.
Hey everybody. new here ;)
Sorry for my grammar if I make any mistake, but if you take in consideration that I´m Spanish, the fact that you can actually understand me its allready a lot. ;D
I am not really expecting a lot from Prometheus really...I mean, after what they did with the saga, and the direction of Scott´s career, is not really promising. But I have to say that the teaser (the few we can see in it), f**king rocks. But it´s not the first time I see a trailer or teaser that makes me go nuts and then the movie is just a pile of shit. I remember the 300 trailer with the NIN music for example.
Anyway, I think that most of us, as true fans of the saga, will enjoy anything that is Alien related and that shows a minimum respect for the fans, the saga, and the whole thing; And who better than Scott for doing it? (We are not talking about PW Anderson or that brothers, people who still have to direct something close to a movie....) Even Jeunet I think was respectfull with the saga, but he missed the whole tone of it...damm)
My biggest UPS so Far:
- It´s Alien related, there is no doubt of it.
- Gigger and Cobb seem to be in it.
- The trailer and what we seee on it: The Space Jokey Room, The Derelict or something REALLY similar, some kind of belly burst etc.
- Scott (50% chance he does something at least, decent and repectfull)
- Practical effects. ( at least they say so...).
- Idris Elba (Stringer Bell kicking ass on space!)
My Biggest DOWNS:
- Existencialism-new age-divinity shit can end like the biggest wank Ridley ever had.
- The Face, Plot leaks about earth, Iceland etc. I don´t want to see Earth or even be near to it. By the way, Don t know why but the face makes me thing bout Coronel Kurtz.
- CGI - I just Can´t stand any monsters, characters (or anything that breaths) done by CGI. I mean, for me, it looks exactly like Roger Rabbit movie. (but at least this one was funn).
-Scott (50% chance he wanks all over us).
Whatever it is, at least we are allready enjoying it now, right? Not many movies do it.
Every Alien trailer has people running down corridors - since this does too it MUST be a PROPER ALIEN FILM!!11!!!
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 05:37:49 AM
My Biggest DOWNS:
- The Face, Plot leaks about earth, Iceland etc. I don´t want to see Earth or even be near to it. By the way, Don t know why but the face makes me thing bout Coronel Kurtz.
- CGI - I just Can´t stand any monsters, characters (or anything that breaths) done by CGI. I mean, for me, it looks exactly like Roger Rabbit movie. (but at least this one was funn).
How is the face a down point? It must make you question why its there? Meaning that its doing its job. We know nothing about it yet apart from its a big human face.
And there are a lot of CGI monsters/"breathing" characters done perfectly well that haven't affected the escapism of the film they're in. Jurassic Park for example.
LOVE the little samples of Alien radio transmission in the opening dialogue - I can clearly hear Dallas at least saying "Ash?" done up as static. Maybe it's just me! :)
I think that the vertical standing Jockey Ship is NOT from the crash but from the introductory scenes where the ship is visiting Earth (which it does according to speculations, rumors and so-called leaks). It is sort of docked. Make more sense to me as to why it would stand upright like that. If you are going to crash, don't you try to level up the craft to get a smoother crashlanding rather than going down "face-down"?
Quote from: Alien³ on Nov 29, 2011, 08:33:33 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 05:37:49 AM
My Biggest DOWNS:
- The Face, Plot leaks about earth, Iceland etc. I don´t want to see Earth or even be near to it. By the way, Don t know why but the face makes me thing bout Coronel Kurtz.
- CGI - I just Can´t stand any monsters, characters (or anything that breaths) done by CGI. I mean, for me, it looks exactly like Roger Rabbit movie. (but at least this one was funn).
How is the face a down point? It must make you question why its there? Meaning that its doing its job. We know nothing about it yet apart from its a big human face.
And there are a lot of CGI monsters/"breathing" characters done perfectly well that haven't affected the escapism of the film they're in. Jurassic Park for example.
The Face, well, its too earth relik type for me. It reminds me to piramids and maya and Angkor What etc. and I really hate those pyramid-maya-alien theories. They are sooooo boring. That´s why all that earth-god conection thing makes me wait for the worst....
The first Jurasic Park must be one of the most perfect examples of CGI ever. But dinosaurs don´t talk, and all close shots where anymatronics. 99% CGI characters look like comic characters. Don´t like it.
I trully have problems for finding another good example of credible CGI characters. If the SJ apears and its CGI, I will just leave the cinema...
Quote from: Glaive on Nov 27, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
Quote from: Infected on Nov 27, 2011, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:28:55 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 27, 2011, 03:18:33 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
Why do I have a feeling that the final 8 minutes that ties to Alien has to deal with the Derelict taking off to Earth and one of the humans stays back/inside to kill the Space Jockey before it takes off to orbit?
I don't know. Do you have that feeling?
Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong. But I'm getting a strong feeling that the Prometheus space crew had something to do with the Derelict's crash.
What if the jockey on the derelict is Noomi Rapace in a last attempt to save humanity.
Now THAT, I like... ;D ;D ;D
For ages I've been reasonably convinced that the Jockey as we know it is in fact some kind of prison for one of the human characters who is then chestbursted. It overides the 'grown out of the chair' thing if the whole thing is just some ceremonial torture suit and was never alive at all.
I hate the idea myself, but I just get this feeling that that is where they're going. I hope I'm wrong!
Saw a cleaned up version of this trailer the other day at work before it got removed by youtube.
Was that the space jokey ship, but standing upright?
Also the part where it shows the charaters runing and some sort of explosions, was that the space jokey ship falling down to its position in alien?
Just wondering because even though it was a cleaned up version of the trailer it still looked grainy.
Quote from: worriors on Nov 29, 2011, 10:16:03 AM
Was that the space jokey ship, but standing upright?
Also the part where it shows the charaters runing and some sort of explosions, was that the space jokey ship falling down to its position in alien?
Yes, it is the jockey ship in a vertical position, unless they have rotated the video in that sequence, and what we believe to be a planet surface is a planet in the background.
One can indeed believe that it is the jockey ship toppling over, but that does not make any sense at all.. why would the jockey ship stand upright from a crash in the first place? When going in for a crash landing, you do not go face-down, you try to level the craft as much as possible to make the landing more smooth. In this sequence, we also see balls of fire raining from the sky. It is obvious that these are debris from the explosion on the jockey ship in another sequence.
My theory about the vertical jockey ship is that it has "docked" on the planet surface. That is how it is supposed to "land", forming a sort of observatory tower. That sequence is different from the sequence with something huge falling over. However, this is just a theory.
Quote from: Eldritch on Nov 29, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
In this sequence, we also see balls of fire raining from the sky. It is obvious that these are debris from the explosion on the jockey ship in another sequence.
isn't that ship firing at a astronaut?
Quote from: Kol on Nov 29, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
Quote from: Eldritch on Nov 29, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
In this sequence, we also see balls of fire raining from the sky. It is obvious that these are debris from the explosion on the jockey ship in another sequence.
isn't that ship firing at a astronaut?
I certainly hope not...
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
For ages I've been reasonably convinced that the Jockey as we know it is in fact some kind of prison for one of the human characters who is then chestbursted. It overides the 'grown out of the chair' thing if the whole thing is just some ceremonial torture suit and was never alive at all.
I hate the idea myself, but I just get this feeling that that is where they're going. I hope I'm wrong!
That would make the human encased in the suit about 10 foot tall then ?
I dont think so somehow
The Jockeys are supposed to be big.. and their "children" are supposed to be even bigger!
Some supposedly "leaked" information about the creatures in the movie *grabs a pinch of salt*
when is the movie coming out?
???
Quote from: Eldritch on Nov 29, 2011, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: Kol on Nov 29, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
Quote from: Eldritch on Nov 29, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
In this sequence, we also see balls of fire raining from the sky. It is obvious that these are debris from the explosion on the jockey ship in another sequence.
isn't that ship firing at a astronaut?
I certainly hope not...
i think you'll be disappointed!
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 05:37:49 AM
Hey everybody. new here ;)
Sorry for my grammar if I make any mistake, but if you take in consideration that I´m Spanish, the fact that you can actually understand me its allready a lot. ;D
I am not really expecting a lot from Prometheus really...I mean, after what they did with the saga, and the direction of Scott´s career, is not really promising. But I have to say that the teaser (the few we can see in it), f**king rocks. But it´s not the first time I see a trailer or teaser that makes me go nuts and then the movie is just a pile of shit. I remember the 300 trailer with the NIN music for example.
Anyway, I think that most of us, as true fans of the saga, will enjoy anything that is Alien related and that shows a minimum respect for the fans, the saga, and the whole thing; And who better than Scott for doing it? (We are not talking about PW Anderson or that brothers, people who still have to direct something close to a movie....) Even Jeunet I think was respectfull with the saga, but he missed the whole tone of it...damm)
My biggest UPS so Far:
- It´s Alien related, there is no doubt of it.
- Gigger and Cobb seem to be in it.
- The trailer and what we seee on it: The Space Jokey Room, The Derelict or something REALLY similar, some kind of belly burst etc.
- Scott (50% chance he does something at least, decent and repectfull)
- Practical effects. ( at least they say so...).
- Idris Elba (Stringer Bell kicking ass on space!)
My Biggest DOWNS:
- Existencialism-new age-divinity shit can end like the biggest wank Ridley ever had.
- The Face, Plot leaks about earth, Iceland etc. I don´t want to see Earth or even be near to it. By the way, Don t know why but the face makes me thing bout Coronel Kurtz.
- CGI - I just Can´t stand any monsters, characters (or anything that breaths) done by CGI. I mean, for me, it looks exactly like Roger Rabbit movie. (but at least this one was funn).
-Scott (50% chance he wanks all over us).
Whatever it is, at least we are allready enjoying it now, right? Not many movies do it.
Nice post man, made me laugh quite a bit !
Totally agree with you re the CGI - with creatures/characters its almost always so blatantly obvious that youre looking at CGI and I mostly hate it too.
I dont know why so many on here are hoping for yet another 'Alien' movie though ??!!
Even more why so many want to see the same Giger Alien in Prometheus too ??!!
Scott already did this brilliantly in the original 'Alien' and Cameron did an absolutely outstanding job with the follow-up.
Been there done that seen that so why want more of the same ?
I'm personally very happy to see a new direction for this move with, as they say, loose ties to the Alien movie, perhaps some hints or explanations as to the origins of our and the Alien species, without going over the same ground of chases down dimly lit corridors by acid bleeding homicidal xenomorphs and dangerously unpredictable alien loving androids.
Id be perfectly happy to not see a solitary original Giger Alien in this movie and I'm not expecting to see one either.
Ridley Scott doing big budget sci-fi is fantastic news in itself and I for one ceretainly dont want to see whats already been done superbly in the past, pointlessly reprised today. Thankfully it doesnt appear that this will be the case at all and I really cant wait to see this film
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 28, 2011, 11:46:26 AM
If she is pregnant and she happens to be an android because of the whole ASH BISHOP CALL DAVID ELIZABETH thing. Then there is your biomechanoid for sure. Alien Dna, Human/Robot Dna.
You realise machines don't
have DNA, right? :)
Quote from: AncientPred on Nov 28, 2011, 03:09:37 PM
i prefer the egg metamorphosis over the parasite/queen method any day. hoping its in the movie.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Combining them would be the best of both worlds: In an absence of a Queen, it's used to create one or more Queen facehuggers. Then, once a Queen comes along, it's replaced by the more efficient 1 host = 1 birth rule, instead of 2 hosts = 1 birth.
I really like the Queen's design and think she fits perfectly well with the Alien mythos. But if they don't allow for a single adult to be capable of breeding, there's no
real threat if one makes it to a populated world. It could kill a lot of people, but... Eventually would be either quarantined or killed.
I've read rumours that '
Alien 3' was going to feature it, but that this never got filmed. A shame if so.
Ridley often said, on interviews, that the capability that one would use you to breed was what set it apart from other monsters. Made it seem like "more than a tiger", I think was his original interview quote.
Aliens need to return to being both excruciating
and disturbing in a way we haven't seen since Lambert's haunting death-over-speakers scene - and I'd bet you could get away with something just like that in a PG-13 rating, too. The ambiguity was what
made it unsettling.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 09:03:39 AM
The Face, well, its too earth relik type for me. It reminds me to piramids and maya and Angkor What etc. and I really hate those pyramid-maya-alien theories. They are sooooo boring.
And, what, natural evolution is
exciting? Awe inspiring? :)
Nothing wrong with it! The whole Lovecraftian thing, 'the elder gods' and all of that. '
Alien Versus Predator' was a bit too superficial, but some of the most iconic visuals it had were of the historical flashbacks. They helped to give it a sense of consequence it had otherwise lacked.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 28, 2011, 11:52:12 PM
lower your expectations, you'll jinx it!
Actually, I would agree. Please cast your minds back to the 'red band' advert for '
Requiem'! Look at how many of you were heralding it as something special, back then.
Of course, even the nice visual aspect of it was ruined by the way the finished product was darkened... At least it looked nice on those very first adverts.
Quote from: r888 on Nov 29, 2011, 03:30:00 AM
Space jockey is back
Not without that trunk being fixed to the ribs, it's not. :)
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 05:37:49 AMExistencialism-new age-divinity shit can end like the biggest wank Ridley ever had.
Not a Blade Runner fan then? :P
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 29, 2011, 12:35:23 PMI really like the Queen's design and think she fits perfectly well with the Alien mythos.
The Queen fouled it up IMHO, just in the way that you said; there is no threat. A single alien becomes a snarling, drooling 'eat-my-shotgun' joke. You can have whole armies of them, and they still suck. The Queen is a brilliant movie monster, but the original alien is more than just a monster; it's a nightmare... we were never meant to understand it, and never meant to be able to kill it.
The fear factor in ALIENS owes so much to what the original film created; that unimaginable horror that would occur if an alien ever got its claws into you (poor dear Lambert). But ALIENS dumbed that down... I remember the first time I saw the sequel being properly thrilled but ultimately disappointed that all of the victims were neatly gathered up and cocooned to make for more aliens, to capture more humans, to make more aliens, to capture more humans... all for a giant Queen alien that Ripley could of one-shotted if she had only aimed her grenade launcher a bit to the left.
There is a better story here, one that has needed to be told for a long time. Prometheus isn't just an ALIEN film, it is
the ALIEN film.
-Chris.
I don't think it's THE space jockey ship, not the Derelict from ALIEN.
It's another ship from the same class.
In the trailer when he's standing up, he's not on Earth.
You can see that a Spacesuited character from the Prometheus crew is watching it.
My guess about what's happening.
The ship (wich was underground) is about to take off for Earth (and cause the end of it for some reason), in front of some crew from the Prometheus. In mid air something explode inside of it, or i rather believe that the Prometheus (or Magellan shuttle if it does exist) flies into it. Making it crashes, with flying debris from both ships everywhere (the landgear debris from the iceland pics).
About the Urns, it's seems to me that the green goo is some sort of preservation gel.
David seems to remove something from the Urn and there's this goo all over it.
http://boxofficebuz.com/news_full.php?id=287 (http://boxofficebuz.com/news_full.php?id=287)
just found this, dunno if its been posted before though but an interesting read, even if it is fanscript....
Quote...chased by the former Meredith Vickers who is now the gigantic, horrific Star Beast.
At least it has a sense of humour.
-Chris.
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 29, 2011, 11:46:53 AM
Quote from: Speedy_J on Nov 27, 2011, 03:16:59 AM
For ages I've been reasonably convinced that the Jockey as we know it is in fact some kind of prison for one of the human characters who is then chestbursted. It overides the 'grown out of the chair' thing if the whole thing is just some ceremonial torture suit and was never alive at all.
I hate the idea myself, but I just get this feeling that that is where they're going. I hope I'm wrong!
That would make the human encased in the suit about 10 foot tall then ?
I dont think so somehow
I never said skin-tight! although anything making me wrong on this one only cheers me up! I WANT the jockey to be a creature rather than a suit or cocoon - i can just see it being something of that ilk, though.
Quote from: wonkyfunk303 on Nov 29, 2011, 01:32:52 PM
http://boxofficebuz.com/news_full.php?id=287 (http://boxofficebuz.com/news_full.php?id=287)
just found this, dunno if its been posted before though but an interesting read, even if it is fanscript....
ben foster isn't in the movie, so this synopsis is fake like all the other one's before.
AND iit is just a copy + paste synopsis taken from IMDb.
what i am curious about is the giant pilot-head in the ampule room, which has a striking similarity to guy pearce.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.theage.com.au%2Fftage%2Fffximage%2F2008%2F10%2F30%2Fguy_narrowweb__300x419%2C0.jpg&hash=e91252e7055cce551fd26b5c041a428ce817c71e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmoviecultists.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2FPrometheus-Head.jpg&hash=2181f48c91f69a950a341f12bbb9af06596a582f)
maybe the prototype of these....?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oceanstar.ch%2Fgallery%2Foceanstar%2Fheader%2Fschiffe%2Fosterinsel-polynesien-hanseatic%2Fosterinsel-polynesien-hanseatic-1.jpg&hash=b9672a66ff743b305487625b0d727b96904b03b9)
Quote from: Kol on Nov 29, 2011, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: wonkyfunk303 on Nov 29, 2011, 01:32:52 PM
http://boxofficebuz.com/news_full.php?id=287 (http://boxofficebuz.com/news_full.php?id=287)
just found this, dunno if its been posted before though but an interesting read, even if it is fanscript....
ben foster isn't in the movie, so this synopsis is fake like all the other one's before.
AND iit is just a copy + paste synopsis taken from IMDb.
what i am curious about is the giant pilot-head in the ampule room, which has a striking similarity to guy pearce.
http://images.theage.com.au/ftage/ffximage/2008/10/30/guy_narrowweb__300x419,0.jpg
http://moviecultists.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Prometheus-Head.jpg
maybe the prototype of these....?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oceanstar.ch%2Fgallery%2Foceanstar%2Fheader%2Fschiffe%2Fosterinsel-polynesien-hanseatic%2Fosterinsel-polynesien-hanseatic-1.jpg&hash=b9672a66ff743b305487625b0d727b96904b03b9)
The last image is not working :)
I think it could very well resemble Guy (if he plays the Engineer), though the mouth is a bit too narrow on the giant head compared to his.
I don't see the ressemblance but I definitly believe that Pierce is the Engineer.
I think that in one of the Interviews Scott said he had an awesome time with the main cast, naming Rapace, Theron,Fassbender and Pierce. And i found pretty weird that there is absolutely no info about his role.
Pierce as the charisma and the talent to be scary and charming.
He has a pretty devilish smile when he wants to.
H'es gonna make a great bad guy.
Quote from: Kol on Nov 29, 2011, 02:37:07 PMwhat i am curious about is the giant pilot-head in the ampule room, which has a striking similarity to guy pearce.
Looks nothing like him IMO. Though I do like the Easter Island link.... now there's a nice idea! The head spins.
-Chris.
The Ampule Room head clearly has caucasian features, which are general to white males, so I can see that there'd be a resemblance to Guy but that's where it ends.
i was just wondering.. there is a time travel concept in this movie, so what if the big face is the face of one of the crew members ? what if one of them becomes space jockey in te future, and what they discover is something one of them created.... damn, i need some sleep.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Kol on Nov 29, 2011, 02:37:07 PMwhat i am curious about is the giant pilot-head in the ampule room, which has a striking similarity to guy pearce.
Looks nothing like him IMO. Though I do like the Easter Island link.... now there's a nice idea! The head spins.
-Chris.
The Easter Island heads had bodies buried beneath the ground...
I don't think people should start speculating about the plot and story. :-\
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Nov 29, 2011, 05:01:22 PM
I don't think people should start speculating about the plot and story. :-\
Why? It's part of the fun in the months before release... I doubt anybody will get it completely right anyways
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 12:48:17 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 05:37:49 AMExistencialism-new age-divinity shit can end like the biggest wank Ridley ever had.
Not a Blade Runner fan then? :P
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 29, 2011, 12:35:23 PMI really like the Queen's design and think she fits perfectly well with the Alien mythos.
The Queen fouled it up IMHO, just in the way that you said; there is no threat. A single alien becomes a snarling, drooling 'eat-my-shotgun' joke. You can have whole armies of them, and they still suck. The Queen is a brilliant movie monster, but the original alien is more than just a monster; it's a nightmare... we were never meant to understand it, and never meant to be able to kill it.
The fear factor in ALIENS owes so much to what the original film created; that unimaginable horror that would occur if an alien ever got its claws into you (poor dear Lambert). But ALIENS dumbed that down... I remember the first time I saw the sequel being properly thrilled but ultimately disappointed that all of the victims were neatly gathered up and cocooned to make for more aliens, to capture more humans, to make more aliens, to capture more humans... all for a giant Queen alien that Ripley could of one-shotted if she had only aimed her grenade launcher a bit to the left.
There is a better story here, one that has needed to be told for a long time. Prometheus isn't just an ALIEN film, it is the ALIEN film.
-Chris.
I always liked the idea that the creature was absolutely adaptable to any form of breeding or being - thus the queen system is just something that suited them in that scenario, but the egg morphing could just as easily happen if the creature so chose to. It's an aLien, why not have every conceived form of their being as 'canon'? Surely there's nothing that says that that cannot be. I'd like to see them opened up in such a way that revealed what the original trilogy (there is still no 4th film. hush.) displayed is only 30% of what the creature is about. Have them be pure nightmare fuel!
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 09:03:39 AM
If the SJ apears and its CGI, I will just leave the cinema...
What if you're really REALLY enjoying the film prior to the CGI SJ arrival?
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 12:48:17 PM
the original alien is more than just a monster; it's a nightmare... we were never meant to understand it, and never meant to be able to kill it.
An odd claim to make, considering that in every script, storyboard, and even in the final film ... the Alien is expelled and killed. O'Bannon himself laughed at the idea of an indestructible Alien, which is why he resorted to giving it acidic blood - to dissuade you from trying. You could do it, but, be aware and all that. As for trying to understand it, it had plenty of backstory originally; it was serendipity that forced the film-makers to cut it all out. Ridley once said he was disappointed that there was no prognosis/origin scenes for the Alien. He then added that if he were to do Alien 2 [he said this in 1984, before Aliens' release], he would add such a prognosis scene. I guess we're getting it with Prometheus.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO time travel in PROMETHEUS.
Terraforming yes.
The Engineer ship is not the derelic from ALIEN.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Nov 29, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
There is ABSOLUTELY NO time travel in PROMETHEUS.
Terraforming yes.
The Engineer ship is not the derelic from ALIEN.
have you time travelled and seen it?
thanks
rich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws)
Original:
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vqmILSKfew&feature=related
lol :laugh:
Quote from: Engineer1 on Nov 29, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
There is ABSOLUTELY NO time travel in PROMETHEUS.
Terraforming yes.
The Engineer ship is not the derelic from ALIEN.
Are you stating this as fact, or is this your guess?
Who of you guys is Prometheus_Fan on IMDB :D?
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 29, 2011, 07:20:53 PM
Who of you guys is Prometheus_Fan on IMDB :D?
not guilty your honour!
thanks
rich
The trailer cycle:
Step 1: Excitement
Step 2: Speculation
Step 3: Condemnation
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 29, 2011, 07:20:53 PM
Who of you guys is Prometheus_Fan on IMDB :D?
You trying to get some kind of 'Spartacus'-thing going here, Panda?
Ok...
NO!!!
I'M NOT Prometheus_Fan!!!
{...and neither is my wife...)
He posted my David character c*m edition poster as well :'(
My evil twin, i gonna find him!
I agree completely with everything you said in your post and this is the ALIEN film.
Aliens took away the nightmarish quality they had and the beast lost its aura and allure, as for the rest of the films well I would rather forget them like they never existed.
When I was a boy I watched Alien and I had nightmares I want the same to happen again. From what I have read and seen from Ridders is that Prometheus will be haunting "The film will be really tough, really nasty. It's the dark side of the moon"
7 months 9 days to go
oestey
hm, got a theory about a lot of people saying the SJ ship in the prometheus trailer is not the derelict ("can't be, because it looks like a totally different planet and the SJ was fossilised in Alien")...
maybe, as some kind of sideeffect of the crash, the planet gets terraformed in the "wrong way". Maybe LV426 used to be a paradise-like planet and when the derelict crashes something in the ship causes the planet to turn into what we've all seen in Alien. I mean, Scott has mentioned that terraforming would be one of the themes of the movie, maybe just not the way we thought. And maybe the big sacrifice that was spoken of is that one of the crew members makes the derelict crash on LV426 rather than on earth.
this being said, I would rather not have such a big connection between Prometheus and Alien. Same universe, same creatures (SJs not Aliens) is enough for me.
Engineer1 is just conjecturing....no one has seen the film...NO ONE (aside from Ridley and select Fox people, etc...)
...and if certain spoilers are EVEN in the LEAST bit accurate, we should STOP calling it 'terraforming' and START calling it 'Forming-Terra'... ;D
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 29, 2011, 06:52:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws)
Is that you?
I was wondering about that no one :o is curious about what Elizabeth was wrong and why does she says im sorry ??? ???
by the way i have found this on imdb :D
Patrick Wilson ... Cocooned man
??? What a role!? They just find an unkown cocooned man or the name of the charachter has not been revealed yet? If the second one is the truth where did imdb see a cocooned man ??? :o
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 29, 2011, 08:43:12 PM
Engineer1 is just conjecturing....no one has seen the film...NO ONE (aside from Ridley and select Fox people, etc...)
It's obvious and unnecessary to point out.
Quote from: szkoki on Nov 29, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
I was wondering about that no one :o is curious about what Elizabeth was wrong and why does she says im sorry ??? ???
The mission must have went wrong, of course. ;) And I don't think they would have Patrick Wilson there just to be a cocooned man. They could have hired any actor for that role. IMDB is not reliable enough for me.
Quote from: OESTEY on Nov 29, 2011, 08:34:07 PM
When I was a boy I watched Alien and I had nightmares I want the same to happen again. From what I have read and seen from Ridders is that Prometheus will be haunting "The film will be really tough, really nasty. It's the dark side of the moon"
7 months 9 days to go
oestey
Didnt Ridley say this when he intended the movie to have an 18 certificate and before Lindelof was on board ?
Does someone have the first leaked trailer saved on their hard drive? Its the 19 second long version. It was still in youtube yesterday and I meant to copy it but ofcourse now when I go, I cant find it.
If someone can private message or post it here somehow by uploading it somewhere, thanks a lot.
I can already SEE the reviews, if they are based on the current rumours...God, HELP US ALL!!!
""If I needed to give a one-word summary of this flick, it would be,,,
"TERROR-FORMING!!!..."
By LUCY CONNOLLY, The Sun"
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Nov 29, 2011, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 29, 2011, 06:52:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws)
Is that you?
Nope, it's her:
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vqmILSKfew&feature=related
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 29, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Nov 29, 2011, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 29, 2011, 06:52:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qh33_-_IY#ws)
Is that you?
Nope, it's her:
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vqmILSKfew&feature=related
...and I thought that was an Alternate Universe 'Newt'...!!!
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 29, 2011, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: OESTEY on Nov 29, 2011, 08:34:07 PM
When I was a boy I watched Alien and I had nightmares I want the same to happen again. From what I have read and seen from Ridders is that Prometheus will be haunting "The film will be really tough, really nasty. It's the dark side of the moon"
7 months 9 days to go
oestey
Didnt Ridley say this when he intended the movie to have an 18 certificate and before Lindelof was on board ?
At the comic con interview with Lindelof he did say there will be pg 13 and an 18 cert he will submit to Fox. If the pg 13 goes on general release Im sure some day we will see an 18 cert to follow.
Fixed some dodgy quote mishaps, there :)
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 06:20:35 PMAn odd claim to make, considering that in every script, storyboard, and even in the final film ... the Alien is expelled and killed.
Yeah, you make a fine point... I was being a tad over dramatic :-[
Still, Ripley didn't knock the alien on the head or stick a shotgun in its mouth. She outsmarted it, and only just barely. It never sat well with me that guns could kill it. By allowing that you demote the alien to cannon fodder and then need vast numbers of them for there to be any major threat... or a bigger, nastier alien Queen, which then further nerfs the original monster by limiting its ability to procreate. It makes for a great movie, but ultimately fouls up the alien concept from the original film IMO. O'Bannon's alien was doomed the second James Cameron thought to put guns in his sequel.
Regarding origins, wasn't it O'Bannon's original idea that the alien we saw in the movie was just an adolescent of an advanced race that would, after going through its aggressive 'reptilian' stage, evolve into something reasonable and civilized? The Space Jockey was just some poor sod who stumbled upon its eggs. Not sure what Scott thought of this idea - I remember that on one of the commentaries he talks about the Derelict as 'bomber' with the aliens as 'bombs'; the alien integrating itself into a population, eventually completely replacing it. This infers that the Space Jockey somehow 'owns' the species, having either created or enslaved it.
I always preferred O'Bannon's take on it. Much weirder and - in true Alien tradition - just that little bit
wrong. ;)
-Chris.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 10:56:57 PM
Still, Ripley didn't knock the alien on the head or stick a shotgun in its mouth.
She never got close enough to stick anything in its mouth until the finale, where she was armed with ... an eject button, really. Nobody involved with Alien ever said that the Alien couldn't be tussled with, injured, killed, etc. In fact, the Alien screams like a bitch when it's sprayed by steam, and the harpoon blows its ass out of the doorway, embeds itself in the Alien's chest cavity, etc.
QuoteShe outsmarted it, and only just barely.
I wouldn't even say she outsmarted it. She's lucky the Alien didn't flip out of the wall and tear her head off. The Alien's own lethargy saw to its demise.
QuoteIt never sat well with me that guns could kill it.
I understand that, but, well,
"guns will kill anything" - Dan O'Bannon.
QuoteBy allowing that you demote the alien to cannon fodder and then need vast numbers of them for there to be any major threat. It makes for a great movie, but ultimately fouls up the alien concept from the original film IMO.
I think that if anything's up against high-grade military power, then you're gonna need numbers. Considering that the Marines were utterly wiped out in two brief encounters, I think they did hold up pretty well. The Marines were castrated almost immediately, even when they ignored the no-firing order. The original Alien concept was
haunted house in space, really. I don't have a problem with the series 'evolving' but I can understand why people who lived with the original movie for 7 years to mayhaps feel put off. O'Bannon, Giger, Scott, etc were all happy with Aliens, funnily enough. It's all IMO, really! :laugh:
QuoteRegarding origins, wasn't it O'Bannon's original idea that the alien we saw was just an adolescent of an advanced race that would, after going through its aggressive 'reptilian' stage, evolve into something reasonable and civilized? The Space Jockey was just some poor sod who stumbled upon its eggs. Not sure what Scott thought of this idea - I remember that on one of the commentaries he talks about the Derelict as 'bomber' with the aliens as the 'bombs'; the alien integrating itself into a population, eventually completely replacing it. This infers that the Space Jockey somehow 'owns' the species, having either created or enslaved it.
Yeah, that's right. It's all in here, etc: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html)
8)
QuoteI think that if anything's up against high-grade military power, then you're gonna need numbers
This is a mentality I sorely disagree with. There are plenty of ways the Aliens could get around the firepower without overwhelming numbers. We could've had the guns
and a smaller cast of Aliens, or at least, Aliens that weren't disposable.
But that's my taste when it comes to monsters. The first one set up an interesting creature, the second just gave us funny-shaped running zombies. They were frightening as a horde, but uninteresting alone.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 29, 2011, 11:10:16 PM
QuoteI think that if anything's up against high-grade military power, then you're gonna need numbers
This is a mentality I sorely disagree with. There are plenty of ways the Aliens could get around the firepower without overwhelming numbers. We could've had the guns and a smaller cast of Aliens, or at least, Aliens that weren't disposable.
But that's my taste when it comes to monsters. The first one set up an interesting creature, the second just gave us funny-shaped running zombies. They were frightening as a horde, but uninteresting alone.
I was speaking generally, so when I said "you're gonna need numbers," I mean, "it's preferable to be a plurality," whether that's simply two Aliens, or a horde. I understand it's your taste, I don't feel anyone's wrong here :) I found the wall of Aliens to be terrifying, and the Queen provided the sole-Alien-to-look-at thing.
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 11:06:14 PMYeah, that's right. It's all in here, etc: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html)
Haha, I just made the connection. That's were I read it! Love your site.
-Chris.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 12:48:17 PM
The Queen fouled it up IMHO, just in the way that you said; there is no threat. A single alien becomes a snarling, drooling 'eat-my-shotgun' joke.
I wouldn't call that scene by the APC a joke... Came across as very threatening - and the addition of a Queen would have absolutely no effect on whether a director wants to do that.
It's also worth noting that scene happened before the audience realised the concept of a Queen was even included. :)
QuoteYou can have whole armies of them, and they still suck. The Queen is a brilliant movie monster, but the original alien is more than just a monster; it's a nightmare... we were never meant to understand it, and never meant to be able to kill it.
The Queen detracts from none of that. Her purpose is merely to breed and,
possibly, co-ordinate tactics (although, whether that's collectively or only extends to what goes on in teh room she's based, who knows?). Aliens are perfectly capable of being disturbing and all the rest of it.
QuoteThe fear factor in ALIENS owes so much to what the original film created; that unimaginable horror that would occur if an alien ever got its claws into you (poor dear Lambert). But ALIENS dumbed that down... I remember the first time I saw the sequel being properly thrilled but ultimately disappointed that all of the victims were neatly gathered up and cocooned to make for more aliens, to capture more humans, to make more aliens, to capture more humans... all for a giant Queen alien that Ripley could of one-shotted if she had only aimed her grenade launcher a bit to the left.
And you're saying the Nostromo Alien would've, what...?
Survived? :)
Truthfully, I always found the Nostromo creature to be far too slow and pondering. Some make a case for it somehow being more intelligent (which usually involves ignoring examples of intelligence in the sequel, which are just as valid), but all '
Aliens' does is basically say, hey, if they
could have shot that Alien, it would've gone boom. Nothing wrong with that. The Nostromo crew are in trouble
because they can't fight back and act stupidly by splitting up (even the director points out it would never have otherwise worked). By contrast, the sequel simply makes the human victims more capable of defending themselves.
The first is an introduction to monsters. The second shows you
can fight your demons, but at the very high risk of getting turned into baby food in the process. It's deliberately fitted with an undertone of fighting back against odds, yet acknowledging that doing so is highly dangerous when those odds have teeth. :)
Again, a Queen doesn't alter any of that. You could've had the colonists all being turned into eggs. The end result would've been the same - except that the potential number of Aliens would have necessarily only been half what it was.
QuoteIt never sat well with me that guns could kill it.
But that's the whole point. '
Aliens' pointed out how realism dictates they
can be defeated.
And let's be honest, if they couldn't be, what's the point of their acidic blood defence mechanism? :) Don't forget, Cameron portrayed that in action very well. Look at Drake and Hicks.
Personally, I'd prefer it if a future film also shows they're capable of cellular regeneration and healing lost limbs, but there's room to say that has also happened off screen.
QuoteBy allowing that you demote the alien to cannon fodder and then need vast numbers of them for there to be any major threat. It makes for a great movie, but ultimately fouls up the alien concept from the original film IMO.
None of that is affected by the numbers of Aliens you have.
QuoteRegarding origins, wasn't it O'Bannon's original idea that the alien we saw in the movie was just an adolescent of an advanced race that would, after going through its aggressive 'reptilian' stage, evolve into something reasonable and civilized?
Yes. But quite how he thought the natural predator traits, like all those sharp teeth and killer instinct should be explained in that context, I don't know...
His concept for '
Aliens Versus Predator' was that Aliens would grow up, transform and that Predators would be the 'adult' Aliens, by the way. The guy had some... Strange ideas, sometimes. :)
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 11:06:14 PMYeah, that's right. It's all in here, etc: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html)
Haha, I just made the connection. That's were I read it! Love your site.
-Chris.
Haha, thanks very much 8)
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
I found the wall of Aliens to be terrifying, and the Queen provided the sole-Alien-to-look-at thing.
Aaaand another thing; boss fights. See ... etc. :P
QuoteI wouldn't call that scene by the APC a joke...
Three marines with better leverage couldn't close the door on that Alien.
Chuckles abound.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 29, 2011, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
I found the wall of Aliens to be terrifying, and the Queen provided the sole-Alien-to-look-at thing.
Aaaand another thing; boss fights. See ... etc. :P
Haha, let's admit that you were thrilled by it in '86! :laugh:
sooooo.....how about them space jockeys?? ;)
King Jockey to appear in Prometheus? ;)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 29, 2011, 11:20:31 PMYes. But quite how he thought the natural predator traits, like all those sharp teeth and killer instinct should be explained in that context, I don't know...
I think that's why the idea works... what in the heck would it evolve into? It's this kind of mystery (and shameless speculation) that makes the O'Bannon/Giger/Scott universe so much fun, and why the mind boggles at where Prometheus will take us.
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 11:33:54 PMKing Jockey to appear in Prometheus? ;)
The mind boggles some more ;)
-Chris.
Quote from: higherprimate on Nov 29, 2011, 11:30:28 PM
sooooo.....how about them space jockeys?? ;)
well hopefully we will see them alive in prometheus and hopefully it wont turn out to be a human in i bio suit but a proper creature.
thanks
rich
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 11:25:26 PM
Haha, let's admit that you were thrilled by it in '86! :laugh:
Wasn't
alive in '86 :P
Quote from: SiL on Nov 29, 2011, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 29, 2011, 11:25:26 PM
Haha, let's admit that you were thrilled by it in '86! :laugh:
Wasn't alive in '86 :P
You weren't? My bad :-[
Although if it's any consolation, when I saw the movie at 9, yes, the final fight was the coolest thing ever.
Hasn't stood up to repeat viewings for me, though. :-\
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 29, 2011, 11:20:31 PMHis concept for 'Aliens Versus Predator' was that Aliens would grow up, transform and that Predators would be the 'adult' Aliens, by the way. The guy had some... Strange ideas, sometimes. :)
Yikes. That is so wrong, and not in a good, creepy and unsettling way. That's just... :P
-Chris.
The Derelict from ALIEN is in perfect shape, it never crashed on LV426,
Check every picture of it, no damage whatsoever.
The Engineer pilot landed it on purpose.
Before of after being facehuged remains to be known...
The Derelict class ship in PROMETHEUS explodes in mid air, crashes and get severely damaged.
These 2 are not the same ship.
The Derelict landed eons ago.
This is why the SJ is fosilised.
It was one of the many Engineer's race ship on a mission to discover/conquer new worlds by dropping it's bioweapons.
The eggs were an already in use weapon at that time.
We will not witness the birth of the xenos in PROMETHEUS since they already existed for centuries.
The creatures in PROMETHEUS will not be proto aliens, but rather new or different creatures inspired by the same genetics that created the xenos.
On a side note, you know there's at least one kid in he movie (David is talking to him in one of the test trailer), you know Shaw has something that grows pretty fast in her belly (yu know she won't die because she's in the 3rd act with Theron). The movies deals with the concept of gods creating life as it pleases them...
Do the math ^^
Where did you get the 3rd act information?
Prometheus derelict seems to be shooting out the ampules or missiles, not that much exploding, and we haven't seen it touch the ground yet, so we don't know how damaged it will be. There is still a small change of a connection.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 30, 2011, 12:21:42 AM
Where did you get the 3rd act information?
Nowhere. Just ... y'know.
Something is exploding on the ship and firey debris is falling down,I dont see where you got missles from.
As for touching the ground you see something landing,the storm people are talking about is more than likely dust kicked up from something landing or taking off(or crashing)
Scott was shooting the ending of the movie in Iceland (check the video).
It featured Rapace and Theron running for their lives (check the interviews).
Watch the trailer you will see 2 suited humans running in front of the crashing Engineer's ship.
Shaw and vickers.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn549%2Fsmarty9000%2Fprometheus1%2FT2-sj-skyA.jpg&hash=60b9439cb46e6c7d5a4666abd583844a2a7a0775)
As for the "ampules' being fired...
These are the flying debris from the colision between the human ship and the engineer's.
From where do the landing gear debris seen in Iceland come from do you think?
;)
The whole exploding derelict thing is a bit of a white elephant IMO. I can't see anything in the trailer that positively identifies the crashing 'thing' with a derelict type ship. It looks like some kind of space station.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Nov 30, 2011, 12:31:59 AM...the colision between the human ship and the engineer's
Or that :)
-Chris.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 30, 2011, 01:37:05 AM
The whole exploding derelict thing is a bit of a white elephant IMO. I can't see anything in the trailer that positively identifies the crashing 'thing' with a derelict type ship. It looks like some kind of space station.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Nov 30, 2011, 12:31:59 AM...the colision between the human ship and the engineer's
Or that :)
-Chris.
for me that doesn't look likea space jockey ship either.
i think we will see a drive-by between "derelict"-type and magelan/prometheus. it's science-fiction so get over it ;)
Quote from: Alien³ on Nov 29, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 09:03:39 AM
If the SJ apears and its CGI, I will just leave the cinema...
What if you're really REALLY enjoying the film prior to the CGI SJ arrival?
Then maybe I will use a big popcorn buquet as a helmet till that horrible vision disapears, but the movie will be allready ruined for me.
In Alien Resurrection, the movie was allready ruined at that point but when I saw the swimming aliens I just wanted to cry and leave the cinema... Later I wiished I did, when the newborn appeared (even with practical efects you can do big shit of course).
Quote from: Engineer1 on Nov 29, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
There is ABSOLUTELY NO time travel in PROMETHEUS.
I REALLY HOPE SO!
DAMMIT, JUST GIVE US THE HD VERSION ALREADY, I WANNA WATCH THIS.
no, that would be too easy.
they want you to feel the whole rainbow of emotions. disbelief, glee, disdain, indiference, concern, frustration, anger... and then they will do it all over again.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 30, 2011, 04:06:49 AM
DAMMIT, JUST GIVE US THE HD VERSION ALREADY, I WANNA WATCH THIS.
You still haven't, right?
And if I ever see the trailer on the big screen, never mind the movie itself....
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I agree...when the trailer actually hits its gonna blow all to hell, in a good way. This is deliberate viral marketing.
We've had two trailers...one was a small bit, and the latest, just a bit more. If we look at how the information to Prometheus has come to us, it makes good sense. First a leak of the ComiCon footage in the form of stills...and then, set photos, a steady stream of them until the first clip, and then nearly a full blown trailer. This is entirely on purpose, and I'm betting Fox is absolutely behind this. Ridley was an ad man first, he knows marketing, and Fox knows that they have to sell this film, and sell it well.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 29, 2011, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 09:03:39 AM
The Face, well, its too earth relik type for me. It reminds me to piramids and maya and Angkor What etc. and I really hate those pyramid-maya-alien theories. They are sooooo boring.
And, what, natural evolution is exciting? Awe inspiring? :)
Nothing wrong with it! The whole Lovecraftian thing, 'the elder gods' and all of that. 'Alien Versus Predator' was a bit too superficial, but some of the most iconic visuals it had were of the historical flashbacks. They helped to give it a sense of consequence it had otherwise lacked.
I love Lovecraft and his worls of crazy gods, but I´m afraid in prometheus ends beeing more new age, or even whorse, like AVP. I just can´t stand the asociation about Aliens and Pyramids etc. Because Its a fact it´s not true. It´s not like some crazy cities inside some mountain of antarctica or something similar. (its obviously no true also, but its not so obvious.). It´s just a feeling I have. Personal opinion of course.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 12:48:17 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 29, 2011, 05:37:49 AMExistencialism-new age-divinity shit can end like the biggest wank Ridley ever had.
Not a Blade Runner fan then? :P
Oh, I do love Blade Runner! But It was Philip K Dick, it was 1982, It wasn´t CGI era and it wasn´t Lindelof. (nothing against him, but he is not P.K.D....
prometheus-movie.com HAS THE OFFICIAL TRAILER READY TO LAUNCH... SORT OF. Just checked it out, looks super-official, and just has COMING SOON.
The trailer is about to arrive, and in HD
WOO HOO
-Wilmer B.
Are you sure you aren't hating on CGI just for the sake of hating new things?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 30, 2011, 04:33:07 AM
I agree...when the trailer actually hits its gonna blow all to hell, in a good way. This is deliberate viral marketing.
We've had two trailers...one was a small bit, and the latest, just a bit more. If we look at how the information to Prometheus has come to us, it makes good sense. First a leak of the ComiCon footage in the form of stills...and then, set photos, a steady stream of them until the first clip, and then nearly a full blown trailer. This is entirely on purpose, and I'm betting Fox is absolutely behind this. Ridley was an ad man first, he knows marketing, and Fox knows that they have to sell this film, and sell it well.
Looks like all its planned yes....
If not, it means that the guy who filmed the trailer on the computer is one of the biggest idiots ever....
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 30, 2011, 04:45:40 AM
Are you sure you aren't hating on CGI just for the sake of hating new things?
Of course my age (34) maybe plays againts it, but its undeniable that under the CGI flag, some of the most terrible and insulting crimes against cinema have been commited.
I love a lot of movies with CGI actually.
The new Star Trek has lots of it, but it´s not filled with funny creatures that look like a damm cartoon.
I love how Robert Zemeckis uses it and you can´t hardly even apreciate it.
Fincher and Nolan use it really wisely!
The new planets of the apes is quite impresive with the facial gestures of Caesar, but the overall movements of the apes and the scenarios etc. look, again, just like a cartoon. (and the movie is quite boring also).
T-2 FX are Amazing. The liquid metal thing is so basic that it fits perfectly with CGI.
Jurasic one is AMAZING. But they don´t use it for close shots.
Starship Troppers are great. The monsters don´t have funny faces or look like a cartoon.
But then, you have things like AVATAR: Its a cartoon movie. I can not feel any sense of reality there. If they wanted to make it 100% CGI, then do it, like TINTIN, but dont mix real people there because Its no beliable.
Lord Of the Rings: Horrible, horible horrible. Al creatures have cartoon faces. I never hated any character as much as I hated gollum since Jar Jar.
Sam Raimi use of CGI is just horrible. He thinks that as far as its on the screen, whatever it is, you are going to believe it.
The new star wars, just an insult and a spit in the face.
You people seen THE MIST? What the f**k was that! they did the CGI with a Commodore 64?
Also, CGI has open the door to all that horrible and disgustin SCI FI TV Shows...
But The worst thing about CGI, is that people seems to love them so much, that you just have to fill a movie with them, and forget about any plot, character deepness, etc. and people will love it.
There are (few) movies where CGI is CRAP but the movie is great because the director has RESPECT for the audience, but the poor guy maybe hadn´t enough money for practical efects or nice CGI, or maybe they just dont give a shit.
It also helped making better TV SHows. Lost had some horrible CGI but the writing was so good that you just dont care (too much).
At the end, for me, is all a matter of having RESPECT for the audience, and nowadays, 99% of directors,studios, writers etc. don´t have it.
Don´t know, maybe as I sayd Is just the age and I am less tolerant to CGI than others.
Quote from: higherprimate on Nov 29, 2011, 11:30:28 PM
sooooo.....how about them space jockeys?? ;)
They're busy playing a cosmic game of Hungry, Hungry Hippos.
DO NOT DISTURB.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 29, 2011, 11:34:10 PM
I think that's why the idea works... what in the heck would it evolve into?
Something still very much of a predator, is my thinking. :)
QuoteIt's this kind of mystery (and shameless speculation) that makes the O'Bannon/Giger/Scott universe so much fun, and why the mind boggles at where Prometheus will take us.
I agree that exploring the mysterious consequences of what the derelict
means could be incredibly epic. Quite possibly one of the few things which could properly rescue the franchise back to the levels of anticipation it had through the eighties.
We can only hope that the final product measures up with expectations.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 29, 2011, 11:37:22 PM
Wasn't alive in '86 :P
:o
Damn, I feel old now...
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 30, 2011, 04:34:19 AM
I love Lovecraft and his worls of crazy gods, but I´m afraid in prometheus ends beeing more new age, or even whorse, like AVP.
AVP wasn't New Age. New Age would be along the lines of David Icke and shape-shifting reptilians. AVP was nothing ground-breaking, in terms of theories (even though it believed itself to be so).
QuoteI just can´t stand the asociation about Aliens and Pyramids etc. Because Its a fact it´s not true.
Glad to see you've somehow triumphed in 100% proving that. :)
Personally, I've always found the whole 'gods from the skies' stuff intriguing. Not definitely proven or anything, but not overly ridiculous, either. When it comes to presenting it in movies, it all depends on how superficially you do so. It could be remarkably chilling if it's executed in the right way... As with all things.
QuoteIt´s not like some crazy cities inside some mountain of antarctica or something similar. (its obviously no true also, but its not so obvious.). It´s just a feeling I have. Personal opinion of course.
Actually, the AVP thing fitted well with ancient maps which
have shown the area was meant to have had some form of revealed coast and such. It's perfectly feasible that something
could have been built there, under those circumstances. Possibility is seriously all you need for escapist fantasy films. They're meant to be about 'what ifs'.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 30, 2011, 04:45:40 AM...its undeniable that under the CGI flag, some of the most terrible and insulting crimes against cinema have been commited.
CGI monsters are mostly terrible - I am with you 100% on that one. And like you I am really hoping that we don't see a CGI Space Jockey. But even practical effects can go horribly wrong, eg. the final act of Alien 3 :'(.
For flying spaceships and landscapes CGI is perfect though. The crashing 'thing' in the trailer will be CGI, no doubt about it, and it will look amazing. I just don't know why film makers would bother building spaceship models or doing matte paintings anymore - CGI supersedes them for level of detail and image quality.
CGI has it's place and can be pretty impressive when done right. We just gotta hope that Pinewood Studios has a decent fishmonger and an abattoir down the road. ;)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 30, 2011, 05:35:04 AMPersonally, I've always found the whole 'gods from the skies' stuff intriguing.
Same here, it's a fun thing to play with in your mind, however the majority of 'experts' in the field are complete nut jobs. And when Ridley Scott mentioned being influenced by Erich von Daniken I nearly died... I am just praying that he was very loosely inspired, as in, not at all.
-Chris.
Even accepting the geography in AvP is correct - and it's completely wrong - Antarctica has been iced up for over 30 million years.
Quote from: cmdcnqr on Nov 30, 2011, 04:39:04 AM...prometheus-movie.com HAS THE OFFICIAL TRAILER READY TO LAUNCH
Bah, I fell for that so bad.
Why... won't... the... play... button... work?!? Doh.
The official web site is prometheusmovie.com (no hyphen), and it's not delegated yet. This will be the site to watch, as it will come online with the trailer first I reckon.
-Chris.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 30, 2011, 05:35:04 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 30, 2011, 04:34:19 AM
I love Lovecraft and his worls of crazy gods, but I´m afraid in prometheus ends beeing more new age, or even whorse, like AVP.
AVP wasn't New Age. New Age would be along the lines of David Icke and shape-shifting reptilians. AVP was nothing ground-breaking, in terms of theories (even though it believed itself to be so).
QuoteI just can´t stand the asociation about Aliens and Pyramids etc. Because Its a fact it´s not true.
Glad to see you've somehow triumphed in 100% proving that. :)
Personally, I've always found the whole 'gods from the skies' stuff intriguing. Not definitely proven or anything, but not overly ridiculous, either. When it comes to presenting it in movies, it all depends on how superficially you do so. It could be remarkably chilling if it's executed in the right way... As with all things.
QuoteIt´s not like some crazy cities inside some mountain of antarctica or something similar. (its obviously no true also, but its not so obvious.). It´s just a feeling I have. Personal opinion of course.
Actually, the AVP thing fitted well with ancient maps which have shown the area was meant to have had some form of revealed coast and such. It's perfectly feasible that something could have been built there, under those circumstances. Possibility is seriously all you need for escapist fantasy films. They're meant to be about 'what ifs'.
Its not only that I dont belive in the conection Aliens-Ancient (but real) earth civilizations, but that I just find the idea completelly ridiculous. Scientology, Star Gate, The Mayans and Egiptians beeing slaves of Aliens etc. So boring and commonplace....
I do not believe in Aliens, Ufo´s etc. but I enjoy Alien and the posibility that theyr existence would be amazing.
Anyway it´s just my humble opinion of course.
By the way, in my world, AVP and AVP2 don´t exist.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 30, 2011, 05:46:35 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 30, 2011, 04:45:40 AM...its undeniable that under the CGI flag, some of the most terrible and insulting crimes against cinema have been commited.
CGI monsters are mostly terrible - I am with you 100% on that one. And like you I am really hoping that we don't see a CGI Space Jockey. But even practical effects can go horribly wrong, eg. the final act of Alien 3 :'(.
For flying spaceships and landscapes CGI is perfect though. The crashing 'thing' in the trailer will be CGI, no doubt about it, and it will look amazing. I just don't know why film makers would bother building spaceship models or doing matte paintings anymore - CGI supersedes them for level of detail and image quality.
CGI has it's place and can be pretty impressive when done right. We just gotta hope that Pinewood Studios has a decent fishmonger and an abattoir down the road. ;)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 30, 2011, 05:35:04 AMPersonally, I've always found the whole 'gods from the skies' stuff intriguing.
Same here, it's a fun thing to play with in your mind, however the majority of 'experts' in the field are complete nut jobs. And when Ridley Scott mentioned being influenced by Erich von Daniken I nearly died... I am just praying that he was very loosely inspired, as in, not at all.
-Chris.
Of Course there will be CGI! its not going to be THUNDERBIRDS. No problem with it only if they try to make them 100% realistic and not thinking that "everything goes". Scott and someone else sayd that they will do as much as they can with practical, but I heard that before. (THE THING).
The FX for Alien3 were horrible. Practical efects that looked like shity CGI! Amazing.
OK i think this "Viral PR stunt" has run its course by now. They are laughing at us because they got excactly what they wanted, us excited and most importantly talking about it....... ;)
Good job....... ;D
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 30, 2011, 06:09:04 AMPractical efects that looked like shity CGI! Amazing.
Hahaha, amazing for sure. It's like taking a bad golf shot and hitting yourself in the back of the head. You couldn't do worse if you were trying.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 30, 2011, 06:09:04 AM...its not going to be THUNDERBIRDS
Aww. ;)
-Chris.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 30, 2011, 04:18:29 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 30, 2011, 04:06:49 AM
DAMMIT, JUST GIVE US THE HD VERSION ALREADY, I WANNA WATCH THIS.
You still haven't, right?
Nope, holding out until I can see it properly. I hate cam footage with a passion.
I think we are reading too much into the "hints" we have been getting from the cast.
Ok, so they said there will be creatures that "we will recognize". Does this have to mean the Facehugger/Chestburster/Alien? It could just mean that there will be Jockeys/Engineers, and we do recognize them.
Scott said that the last 8 minutes of the movie will "tie in with Alien". No mention of HOW. It does not necessarily have to mean that there is a Jockey ship crash. It could mean virtually anything... for example, it could very well end with the Company finding out about what happens "out there" and they send instructions to a certain Mother to reroute a certain ship (Nostromo) to the new coordinates...
As for the "DNA" that Scott mentioned... I think it will be more of how the movie will be laid out. I see many similarities between Alien and stuff seen in the leaked pictures and videos.
- Both teams are stranded on an alien planet (though the Nostromo crew managed to take off after repairs).
- Both teams find and investigate an alien construction (ship/facility).
- Both teams find alien containers (Eggs vs. Ampules). This one is interesting as the original script by O'Bannon (R.I.P) described the containers as "amphoras" or "capsules", not eggs. (Source: Alien Quadrilogy)
- One in each team will be infected with an alien life form.
- The infected team member will give birth to a nightmarish creature.
- Both teams will have a female that will begin "in the background" and eventually turn around and become a real tough son-of-a-bitch.
I believe that the "DNA" will simply be the similarities between the two movies, in how they are laid out, their structure.
As for someone spotting people dressed in Alien/Xenomorph suits during an outdoors lunch break at Pinewood (or was it Shepperton?), I think it is just a load of bull.
Quote from: cmdcnqr on Nov 30, 2011, 04:39:04 AM
prometheus-movie.com HAS THE OFFICIAL TRAILER READY TO LAUNCH... SORT OF. Just checked it out, looks super-official, and just has COMING SOON.
The trailer is about to arrive, and in HD
WOO HOO
-Wilmer B.
The guy running this site is an attention whore.
His recent run on AICN talkback was miserable.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 30, 2011, 05:46:35 AM
For flying spaceships and landscapes CGI is perfect though. The crashing 'thing' in the trailer will be CGI, no doubt about it, and it will look amazing. I just don't know why film makers would bother building spaceship models or doing matte paintings anymore - CGI supersedes them for level of detail and image quality.
I'm not sure I agree with you on the point that CGI supersedes models/matte paintings when depicting landscapes, in terms of detail/image quality
For me its all about realism - do I believe that what I'm looking at is 'really there', solid and has that correct sense of scale
So far I've yet to see any CGI depicted landscape that comes even close to inspiring the same feeling of awe and 'realness' as the matte painting/model combination used in the opening sequence of Blade Runner
Can you give me an example of any similarly futuristic/fantasy/sci-fi type landscape imagery thats equally as 'real' or 'solid' looking as this, yet CGI ?
All thats coming to my mind are the obvious CGI of the Colosseum shots in 'Gladiator', the obvious CGI in 'Titanic' and 'Avatar' and the hideous overkill and screamingly obvious CGI in Star Wars I,II and III
(Not to mention the complete and utterly shitty and obvious CGI effects in the green lantern)
So, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI and really make you believe youre looking at something or some place thats real and solid and not a glorified cartoon ?
King Kong and Road to Perdition for a start. There are tons.
Paintings and models are good I'll admit, but CGI is just as good, probably better.
I don't know about it coming today, maybe, but if not today than I do think it will be released at some point in December. A lot of big trailers are coming out at this time of year. New JohnCarter trailer comes out tonight, new TheDarkKnightRises trailer hits on the 16th, trailer for TheHobbit comes at the end of the month.
JKS1
We have a problem right from the start...you're asking us, to give you an example of something that looks as real as a matte painting and you cited the opening of Blade Runner as your end all of end all matte painted scenes.
For me, there's some GORGEOUS work done in The Phantom Menace, as there is some unbelievably beautiful work done in Avatar. I agree, the richness of the work in Blade Runner is unforgettable, but both tools (a paint brush and a piece of glass) or a piece of photo software are essentially the same thing. I've seen some horrible real paintings as much as I've seen terrible CG work. Throwing out the use of a tool because it looks bad once a while isn't fair. The people who do this craft aren't third graders, rather, they are skilled in many many different aspects before the begin to construct a sunset, a wooded landscape, or a beautiful sea. This elitism is tiresome.
CGI is an amazing tool if used correctly. And 99% of films use it correctly because most of the time you are unaware of it.
I think all the alien stuff is just the tip of the iceberg in this saga maybe this is why the say its related to alien but at the same time that we should let go the idea that is an alien movie.
Quote from: szkoki on Nov 30, 2011, 04:43:16 PM
I think all the alien stuff is just the tip of the iceberg in this saga maybe this is why the say its related to alien but at the same time that we should let go the idea that is an alien movie.
Agreed. Prometheus can be a fantastic "Alien" movie without showing a single Xenomorph. Ridley's original movie created such a fascinating universe that I would be eager to watch pretty much any kind of story set in it.
As for the CG bitching, I don't mind if CG is used as long it does not look bad and it's not overused. I hope the CG does not over shadow the story like it does in movies like Van Helsing and 2012. From what we have seen, it looks like they are doing a mix between both similar how Lord of the Rings was.
can anybody point me in the direction to view trailer ive been a massive alien fan since about 1985 when i was old enougth to watch Ridleys master piece for the first time( i was 5) ive been at work all week and missed the fecker! i dont care about spoilers i just need to scratch the itch thats been burning me since i found out it was being made about what feals like about 2 years ago ,and hasnt been fullfilled since i went to pictures to see the gash that was alien resurection,stay frosty people.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 30, 2011, 07:05:22 PM
As for the CG bitching, I don't mind if CG is used as long it does not look bad and it's not overused. I hope the CG does not over shadow the story like it does in movies like Van Helsing and 2012. From what we have seen, it looks like they are doing a mix between both similar how Lord of the Rings was.
It's a 200M$ movie at least from what I heard.
100M$ minimum are spent for CGI (it's where the budget goes mostly with blockbuster) which is going to result to a movie look like:
AVATAR, LOTR, TRANSFORMERS
If one of this company take care of the CGI:
WETA, ILM, DIGITAL DOMAIN.
You shouldn't worry about it, especially knowing the work of Ridley Scott and its supervisor of Visual FX in previous movie.
It is always astonishing ;)
Remember, CGI, quality only depends on the amount of money spent for the render.
The more money, the more computer calculation you can spend on.
CGI are expansive because computer to render are.
here is the trailer for you:
http://filmwatch.com/news/894528/prometheus-trailer (http://filmwatch.com/news/894528/prometheus-trailer)EDIT: I just noticed the trailer is no more online. Sorry!
It should come within a week or two - three as all leaked trailer
thats the only success i've had so far :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmllly_prometheus-trailer_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmllly_prometheus-trailer_shortfilms)
if anyone would be kind enough to PM me a link to view the trailer in a more viewable way, thanks in advanced.
Quote from: profox on Nov 30, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
thats the only success i've had so far :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmllly_prometheus-trailer_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmllly_prometheus-trailer_shortfilms)
if anyone would be kind enough to PM me a link to view the trailer in a more viewable way, thanks in advanced.
That is the most viewable trailer.
Quote from: profox on Nov 30, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
thats the only success i've had so far :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmllly_prometheus-trailer_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmllly_prometheus-trailer_shortfilms)
if anyone would be kind enough to PM me a link to view the trailer in a more viewable way, thanks in advanced.
Thnx now i can watch it again ;D
AMAZING trailer.
I can't wait to watch the HQ 10 times too.
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PMSo, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI
District 9.
I guess what I meant was that from a film maker's perspective, building physical model spaceships is mostly impractical compared to digital model spaceships. Firstly, to give the kind of detail required for up close photography, you have to build a pretty big model, which in turn makes it far more difficult to shoot. A computer model can be lit and photographed however you like, whenever you like and as many times as you like.
CGI allows the film maker to be more impulsive, which I agree can be (and often is) a bad thing, given the wrong director. I'm not too worried about Ridley though. He himself comments on how when shooting the derelict model he thought it looked crap and resorted to filming it with a consumer camera, printing it to screen and then re-filming it off the screen (kinda like the trailer we have been watching).
Anyways, I'm not arguing for the proliferation of CGI in movies and I am pretty sure that if you and I were put in front of a reel of CGI special effects we would both groan at the same shots and scenes.
-Chris.
And also mistake some CG stuff as being real.
Quote from: arogony on Nov 30, 2011, 09:42:54 PM
AMAZING trailer.
I can't wait to watch the HQ 10 times too.
GOD I KNOW~! is this going to be the movie of the year or what ???
sorry for jumping ahead of myself, I'm a huge ALIEN fan and by the looks of where it is, I think I definitely won't be disappointed!
Quote from: profox on Nov 30, 2011, 11:07:03 PM
I'm a huge ALIEN fan
Don't worry, there's a couple of them around here :laugh:
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 30, 2011, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: profox on Nov 30, 2011, 11:07:03 PM
I'm a huge ALIEN fan
Don't worry, there's a couple of them around here :laugh:
lol I couldn't care less for PREDATOR though :laugh:
but giger changed my life .......
Quote from: Le Celticant on Nov 30, 2011, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 30, 2011, 07:05:22 PM
As for the CG bitching, I don't mind if CG is used as long it does not look bad and it's not overused. I hope the CG does not over shadow the story like it does in movies like Van Helsing and 2012. From what we have seen, it looks like they are doing a mix between both similar how Lord of the Rings was.
It's a 200M$ movie at least from what I heard.
200 million seems too much for a movie that is likely to be R rated. I'm scared that this movie is going to flop like Terminator Salvation and Green Lantern did. Both movies had a budget of 200 million and did poorly at the box office. Maybe the word of mouth will help but I have feeling that this movie is going to have mixed reviews.
Quote from: profox on Nov 30, 2011, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 30, 2011, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: profox on Nov 30, 2011, 11:07:03 PM
I'm a huge ALIEN fan
Don't worry, there's a couple of them around here :laugh:
lol I couldn't care less for PREDATOR though :laugh:
but giger changed my life .......
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.cheezburger.com%2Fcompletestore%2F2009%2F7%2F20%2F128926109692421180.jpg&hash=b451a5ce3b81b21167ded6bba14b3bf74a5782ac)
I've been going through quite a bit of Gigers portfolio and as beautiful and morbid and freaky as it is...nothing really scares me.
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PM
I'm not sure I agree with you on the point that CGI supersedes models/matte paintings when depicting landscapes, in terms of detail/image quality
For me its all about realism - do I believe that what I'm looking at is 'really there', solid and has that correct sense of scale
So far I've yet to see any CGI depicted landscape that comes even close to inspiring the same feeling of awe and 'realness' as the matte painting/model combination used in the opening sequence of Blade Runner
Can you give me an example of any similarly futuristic/fantasy/sci-fi type landscape imagery thats equally as 'real' or 'solid' looking as this, yet CGI ?
All thats coming to my mind are the obvious CGI of the Colosseum shots in 'Gladiator', the obvious CGI in 'Titanic' and 'Avatar' and the hideous overkill and screamingly obvious CGI in Star Wars I,II and III
(Not to mention the complete and utterly shitty and obvious CGI effects in the green lantern)
So, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI and really make you believe youre looking at something or some place thats real and solid and not a glorified cartoon ?
http://vodpod.com/watch/2794864-the-third-the-seventh-on-vimeo (http://vodpod.com/watch/2794864-the-third-the-seventh-on-vimeo)
How's this for CGI?
That short film is unbelievable.....I've never seen it's equal.
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 30, 2011, 05:46:35 AM
For flying spaceships and landscapes CGI is perfect though. The crashing 'thing' in the trailer will be CGI, no doubt about it, and it will look amazing. I just don't know why film makers would bother building spaceship models or doing matte paintings anymore - CGI supersedes them for level of detail and image quality.
I'm not sure I agree with you on the point that CGI supersedes models/matte paintings when depicting landscapes, in terms of detail/image quality
For me its all about realism - do I believe that what I'm looking at is 'really there', solid and has that correct sense of scale
So far I've yet to see any CGI depicted landscape that comes even close to inspiring the same feeling of awe and 'realness' as the matte painting/model combination used in the opening sequence of Blade Runner
Can you give me an example of any similarly futuristic/fantasy/sci-fi type landscape imagery thats equally as 'real' or 'solid' looking as this, yet CGI ?
All thats coming to my mind are the obvious CGI of the Colosseum shots in 'Gladiator', the obvious CGI in 'Titanic' and 'Avatar' and the hideous overkill and screamingly obvious CGI in Star Wars I,II and III
(Not to mention the complete and utterly shitty and obvious CGI effects in the green lantern)
So, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI and really make you believe youre looking at something or some place thats real and solid and not a glorified cartoon ?
That´s the problem, that even if I see a mate painting that its a shit, or a guy in a obvious latex costume, or a obvius miniature etc. I believe it, because its THERE, its real, exists. CGI when its bad done (99% times) I just dont believe it...It takes me out of the movie, it irritiates me.
There is but, one thing that irritates me a lot of practical FX, that is the blue screen, or front/rear projection Like in Aliens when the dropship is entering the clouds of LV-426 or the Procesing Station. But its never as much irritating than crappy CGI.
Also, all this CGI crazynes has another problem for me, and its that the director is not on a set, directing, the director is watching a guy drawing shit in a computer! there is actually no direction there a lot of times...so...its that a real movie or a cartoon movie? too many times the too worlds get mixed. You see real people inside a cartoon movie. Its like Roger Rabit but unintentioned, and this kills me.
Anyway, i have much more tolerance for crappy CGI landscapes than for crappy CGI Characters:
Any chreature at STAR WARS, king kong, the monster at Super 8, 70% of the chreatures of Lord of the Rings (specially gollum), everything at AVATAR, all chreatures from Harry Potter, the swimming aliens, all the aliens at the end of A.I. , aliens at War of the Worlds, the jumping siderman, the running monkeys from The Rise of the Planet of the Apes, The Thing, the sharks from Deep Blue sea (poor harlin) , etc.etc. All those (and so many others), made me hate this movies. Every time one of those appeard on screen, I was expelled inexorably from the movie.
Tough, the problem seems to be with you, not the tools that make the movies.
I have no doubt that this movie will be a classic and all we hope for.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 01, 2011, 02:53:57 AM
Tough, the problem seems to be with you, not the tools that make the movies.
Of course its my problem as there is a lot of people enjoying this shit. but because it´s my opinion, and what I believe, in my opinon, I am right. :D
I mean, I am not going to kill anybody for liking Jar Jar (even they deserve it), but in my reallity, people who likes all this CGI nonsense, are wrong, and I am right.
Unfortunatelly, Im on the loosers side...Like there is more people liking Eminem than Getto Boys...
Quote from: higherprimate on Dec 01, 2011, 02:56:36 AM
I have no doubt that this movie will be a classic and all we hope for.
I hope too but I really doubt....
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 01, 2011, 02:53:57 AM
Tough, the problem seems to be with you, not the tools that make the movies.
His post is laden with "it bothers
me" or "it pulled
me from the movie," so he wasn't making any real generalisations at all. So let's be nice and civil, even with those we disagree with.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2011, 03:09:42 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 01, 2011, 02:53:57 AM
Tough, the problem seems to be with you, not the tools that make the movies.
His post is laden with "it bothers me" or "it pulled me from the movie," so he wasn't making any real generalisations at all. So let's be nice and civil, even with those we disagree with.
No problem at all, actually, we do agree in something: We both think that most of the people doing those lame CGI movies are tools. ;)
I think my statement was absolutely civil in the context of the conversation. There's been no barbs exchanged. It's been a healthy dialogue.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 01, 2011, 03:21:33 AM
I think my statement was absolutely civil in the context of the conversation. There's been no barbs exchanged. It's been a healthy dialogue.
No problem whatsoever. (but next time I´ll break your legs) ;)
Lol! Will do ;)
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 01, 2011, 02:40:19 AM...the swimming aliens
Oh yeah, they were catastrophically bad. Aliens shouldn't smile on screen... EVER.
-Chris.
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"Nice day for a swim eh boys?"
"You betcha, I'm just so damn happy right now!"
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 01, 2011, 05:58:18 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 01, 2011, 02:40:19 AM...the swimming aliens
Oh yeah, they were catastrophically bad. Aliens shouldn't smile on screen... EVER.
-Chris.
http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/alien-resurrection-screen-1.jpg
"Nice day for a swim eh boys?"
"You betcha, I'm just so damn happy right now!"
It´s not much that they CAN swim, but those shinny teeth, them moving like gracile mermaids...it was completelly out of place. A:R is the first Alien Movie that makes the chreatures not more threatening that any other given chreature in any other movie. They are just something to be shoted or something that just kills people..
I think Ridley Scott would make sure the CGI scenes look top-notch. And I don't think CGI is bad unless it is not used properly.
A blend of CGI and practical props is the perfect bet ;)
About the smiling A:R Aliens, I always knew the movie had a parody-like feeling to it.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 01, 2011, 09:26:06 AM
I think Ridley Scott would make sure the CGI scenes look top-notch. And I don't think CGI is bad unless it is not used properly.
A blend of CGI and practical props is the perfect bet ;)
Hope so!
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 01, 2011, 09:26:06 AM
About the smiling A:R Aliens, I always knew the movie had a parody-like feeling to it.
Thats it´s major problem....
Quote from: Elude on Dec 01, 2011, 01:26:52 AM
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PM
I'm not sure I agree with you on the point that CGI supersedes models/matte paintings when depicting landscapes, in terms of detail/image quality
For me its all about realism - do I believe that what I'm looking at is 'really there', solid and has that correct sense of scale
So far I've yet to see any CGI depicted landscape that comes even close to inspiring the same feeling of awe and 'realness' as the matte painting/model combination used in the opening sequence of Blade Runner
Can you give me an example of any similarly futuristic/fantasy/sci-fi type landscape imagery thats equally as 'real' or 'solid' looking as this, yet CGI ?
All thats coming to my mind are the obvious CGI of the Colosseum shots in 'Gladiator', the obvious CGI in 'Titanic' and 'Avatar' and the hideous overkill and screamingly obvious CGI in Star Wars I,II and III
(Not to mention the complete and utterly shitty and obvious CGI effects in the green lantern)
So, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI and really make you believe youre looking at something or some place thats real and solid and not a glorified cartoon ?
http://vodpod.com/watch/2794864-the-third-the-seventh-on-vimeo (http://vodpod.com/watch/2794864-the-third-the-seventh-on-vimeo)
How's this for CGI?
yeah thats impressive, but I was after a large scale movie example, and King Kong as somebody offered as an example of good CGI did not at any point at all have me thinking 'WOW', most of the time it made me yawn and think 'ok that doesnt look real, that doesnt look real, that isnt really there, this is just like the cartoon/live action mix of ....etc etc'
i dont deliberately sit down to watch a movie with the intention of seeking out all the poor CGI, I WANT to believe that what I'm really seeing IS some beautiful fantastical landscape, IS a living, breathing creature, IS a big, solid nuts and bolts spaceship
so often in movies these days this just isnt the case as so often CGI is obviously exactly that.....CGI, and that many SFX laden movies these days look like the intro sections to modern day video games
Good CGI are good.
Bad CGI are bad.
Good animatronics are good.
Bad Animatronics are bad.
Good models are good.
Bad models are bad.
Blend of techniques = EPIC WIN.
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 01, 2011, 10:21:26 AM
yeah thats impressive, but I was after a large scale movie example, and King Kong as somebody offered as an example of good CGI did not at any point at all have me thinking 'WOW', most of the time it made me yawn and think 'ok that doesnt look real, that doesnt look real, that isnt really there,
You asked for CGI examples of landscapes that look real. Both examples I gave have effects way better than a painting or model could achieve.
King Kong...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWGxSyi5PY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWGxSyi5PY#)
Road to Perdition and War of the worlds...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRH29FZAT_A#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRH29FZAT_A#ws)
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I agree with the fake look of the cgi sets of king kong.
But in my opinion it's because of the light.
The scenes in time square is lit like a christmas tree.
But there's also a painting, illustration vibe to these environnements.
I think it's Jackson's intention to create a semi realistic decorum.
Road to Perdition is the opposite with its grim and grey toned cgi sets extensions.
Usually the more dark and flat your sets are they will pass as realistic.
If you have flashy colors all around your mind will not buy it.
But if it's done on purpose like in Kong or Avatar i'm all for it.
PROMETHEUS willbe very dark and monchromatic so i have no doubt the effect will work perfectly.
Cgi or not.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 01, 2011, 11:14:27 AM
Good CGI are good.
Bad CGI are bad.
Good animatronics are good.
Bad Animatronics are bad.
Good models are good.
Bad models are bad.
Blend of techniques = EPIC WIN.
yeah but my point was a counter to a statement along the lines of 'why bother with making models of spaceships, building huge sets and matte paintings when CGI can do the same thing far easier and cheaper ?'
so far I've yet to see any modern example of CGI effects that have the huge scale, realism, believability and 'wow' factor of the opening sequence to 'bladerunner' - still absolutely stunning on the big screen after close to 30 years.
I asked for any recent CGI examples that come even close to that sort of SOLID AND REAL LOOKING, awe inspiring, jaw dropping depiction in a movie
I can think of none, but I'd hoped those who think CGI are superior to practical effects would come up with some decent examples - so far none
Quote from: Highland on Dec 01, 2011, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 01, 2011, 10:21:26 AM
yeah thats impressive, but I was after a large scale movie example, and King Kong as somebody offered as an example of good CGI did not at any point at all have me thinking 'WOW', most of the time it made me yawn and think 'ok that doesnt look real, that doesnt look real, that isnt really there,
You asked for CGI examples of landscapes that look real. Both examples I gave have effects way better than a painting or model could achieve.
King Kong...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWGxSyi5PY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWGxSyi5PY#)
Road to Perdition and War of the worlds...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRH29FZAT_A#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRH29FZAT_A#ws)
The new tin tin movie has some astonishing CGI. Animation was amazingly detailed and the landscape effects are fantastic.There were times is the scenery looks spot on real.
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 01, 2011, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 01, 2011, 11:14:27 AM
Good CGI are good.
Bad CGI are bad.
Good animatronics are good.
Bad Animatronics are bad.
Good models are good.
Bad models are bad.
Blend of techniques = EPIC WIN.
yeah but my point was a counter to a statement along the lines of 'why bother with making models of spaceships, building huge sets and matte paintings when CGI can do the same thing far easier and cheaper ?'
so far I've yet to see any modern example of CGI effects that have the huge scale, realism, believability and 'wow' factor of the opening sequence to 'bladerunner' - still absolutely stunning on the big screen after close to 30 years.
I asked for any recent CGI examples that come even close to that sort of SOLID AND REAL LOOKING, awe inspiring, jaw dropping depiction in a movie
I can think of none, but I'd hoped those who think CGI are superior to practical effects would come up with some decent examples - so far none
AVATAR felt pretty real to me.
I'm not talking about the Navis themselves (wich are awesomly done bit still alien) but more of the human gear.
The copters and others vehicules really felt there to me.
I'm always for models rather than CGI for vehicules but those from AVATAR really looked and felt there.
As"real" as the models from star wars.
Some parts of the base too.
It's also wrong to think that CGI are always cheaper and faster.
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 01, 2011, 11:31:52 AM
I asked for any recent CGI examples that come even close to that sort of SOLID AND REAL LOOKING, awe inspiring, jaw dropping depiction in a movie
I'm unsure if I should use my invisable posts for good or for evil.....
The Jurassic Park movies. The cgi dinosaurs look and feel real
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 01, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
The Jurassic Park movies. The cgi dinosaurs look and feel real
This is actually one of the rare 'fantasy/sci-fi' movies where for the most part the CGI effects are good and effective
(The other 1, or 3, being in my opinion LOTR)
The instances that didnt look real mostly involved the Pterodactyls/Pteranodons; and the stampede scene involving the Gallimimus in the first movie screamed of CGI
However the Velociraptors looked incredible and actually 'there', real and 'solid'.
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 01, 2011, 12:13:27 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 01, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
The Jurassic Park movies. The cgi dinosaurs look and feel real
This is actually one of the rare 'fantasy/sci-fi' movies where for the most part the CGI effects are good and effective
(The other 1, or 3, being in my opinion LOTR)
The instances that didnt look real mostly involved the Pterodactyls/Pteranodons; and the stampede scene involving the Gallimimus in the first movie screamed of CGI
However the Velociraptors looked incredible and actually 'there', real and 'solid'.
Mostly because all close shots where animatronics.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 01, 2011, 12:18:16 PM
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 01, 2011, 12:13:27 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 01, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
The Jurassic Park movies. The cgi dinosaurs look and feel real
This is actually one of the rare 'fantasy/sci-fi' movies where for the most part the CGI effects are good and effective
(The other 1, or 3, being in my opinion LOTR)
The instances that didnt look real mostly involved the Pterodactyls/Pteranodons; and the stampede scene involving the Gallimimus in the first movie screamed of CGI
However the Velociraptors looked incredible and actually 'there', real and 'solid'.
Mostly because all close shots where animatronics.
That scene in the kitchen, with the kids in the first movie wasnt mostly animatronic though was it....and that was very impressive
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 01, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
That scene in the kitchen, with the kids in the first movie wasnt mostly animatronic though was it....and that was very impressive
There was some stop-motion in there. Looked very impressive. I saw it a couple of months ago, being projected digitally.
Again, multiple techniques to show the dinosaurs were used in the scene:
CGI, animatronics, stop-motion.
Hi guys! I've lost the whole ootleg trailer thing. And now FOX removed it. Can someone point me to a download location where can I watch it?
Thanks
Quote from: trailpimp on Dec 01, 2011, 12:37:24 PM
Hi guys! I've lost the whole ootleg trailer thing. And now FOX removed it. Can someone point me to a download location where can I watch it?
Thanks
Can't point you to a D/L section, sorry, but it's stream-able here in the thread: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41025.msg1233456#msg1233456 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41025.msg1233456#msg1233456)
thanks!
Love the touch of adding a sample from the Alien 1979 Alien trailer.
You mean that weird howling sort of sound? I loved that. In this and the original trailer.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Dec 01, 2011, 12:59:15 PM
You mean that weird howling sort of sound? I loved that. In this and the original trailer.
Yes thats the one.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 30, 2011, 11:58:24 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Nov 30, 2011, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 30, 2011, 07:05:22 PM
As for the CG bitching, I don't mind if CG is used as long it does not look bad and it's not overused. I hope the CG does not over shadow the story like it does in movies like Van Helsing and 2012. From what we have seen, it looks like they are doing a mix between both similar how Lord of the Rings was.
It's a 200M$ movie at least from what I heard.
200 million seems too much for a movie that is likely to be R rated. I'm scared that this movie is going to flop like Terminator Salvation and Green Lantern did. Both movies had a budget of 200 million and did poorly at the box office. Maybe the word of mouth will help but I have feeling that this movie is going to have mixed reviews.
Hello,
Both of this movie did not have "From the director of ALIEN & GLADIATOR" in their trailer.
This is going to make a huge difference even if the movie is Bad.
And both of those movies had poor word of mouth.
Quote from: supperdup on Nov 27, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
This is my first message in this forum because I like aliens and predator movies. This was just too itneresting to not join.
Heres picture I edited about the jumping person. I think he jumps on a space jockey:
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LOL :D
Man I think its something weird but the montage got me ;] If it is jockey, its only his head, otherwise if you consider its closer to the camera the jockey would be like 1,5 m high :D But it might be anything,
I personally think its head of something based on how it turns around, but maybe its something completely different ;]
Or I should ban myself from this site because I think I will spol the movie for myself ;]
I was watching the trailer again there, did anybody notice that the scene which shows someone wincing in pain at about 0:35 seconds there appears to be a clawed hand around the persons neck? Think thats what it is anyway?
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 01, 2011, 03:12:23 PM
And both of those movies had poor word of mouth.
What happen the same happens with Prometheus? The movie would have more trouble making back it's budget due to it's huge budget and plus the extra money used on the marketing.
Guys, I am going over it over and over again, in the trailers, both of them, the person that picks up something from the ground and stands facing the wall of smoke.
First I thought its space suit with helmet, but the person wears no shoes, I just think its not human and its naked. Look at it ;]
I think it might actually be SJ carrying egg. Just please try to look at it and dont tell me I'm idiot ;D
Been watching that scene over and over and it has not human anatomy ;] Look at the legs Also the color in the latest trailler its whole skin white color.
Opinions suggestions welcome
I'm sure we'll have a clearer trailer soon, be it a Space Jockey, or a human or an Alien or a Predator or Zurg, I am sure we'll be able to identify things much better in the official trailer.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
There was some stop-motion in there.
What parts? I've never been able to spot any.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 07:52:39 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
There was some stop-motion in there.
What parts? I've never been able to spot any.
To my understanding, there was no stop-motion used in the final film. However, during production Phil Tippett was hired to produce stop-motion effects. The decision was then made to switch to CGI but Phil's test footage was still used by the CGI animators as a reference point.
As per Wikipedia...
Quote from: WikipediaSpielberg hired Stan Winston to create the animatronic dinosaurs, Phil Tippett to create go motion dinosaurs for long shots, Michael Lantieri to supervise the on-set effects, and Dennis Muren to do the digital compositing... Tippett created stop-motion animatics of major scenes, but, despite go motion's attempts at motion blurs, Spielberg still found the end results unsatisfactory in terms of working in a live-action feature film.
Animators Mark Dippe and Steve Williams went ahead in creating a computer-generated walk cycle for the T. Rex skeleton and were approved to do more. When Spielberg and Tippett saw an animatic of the T. Rex chasing a herd of Gallimimus, Spielberg said, "You're out of a job," to which Tippett replied, "Don't you mean extinct?" Spielberg later wrote the dialogue between him and Tippett into the script, as a conversation between Malcolm and Grant.
Although no go motion was used, Tippett and his animators were still used by the production for knowing how the dinosaurs should move correctly. Tippett acted as a consultant regarding dinosaur anatomy, and his stop motion animators were re-trained as computer animators.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skSXW8D9ib8#This is a clip of the stop-motion footage that was produced prior to the CGI switch over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dGpd69_x5M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dGpd69_x5M#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hox0UfY0YQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hox0UfY0YQ#)
These are officially from the movie when they were working with Stop Motion. :)
Whilst the CGI in the final film obviously looks far superior, I must say that I really like the charm of the stop-motion dinos. Classic filmmaking effects... they don't make 'em like that anymore. :'(
Stop-motion Space Jockeys in Prometheus for the win. ;D
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 02, 2011, 08:22:27 AM
Whilst the CGI in the final film obviously looks far superior, I must say that I really like the charm of the stop-motion dinos. Classic filmmaking effects... they don't make 'em like that anymore. :'(
Stop-motion Space Jockeys in Prometheus for the win. ;D
I love old stop motion, but it always looks too funny and unbeliable. Its great for Army Of Darkness, old movies that had no other way of doing it etc. but it can ruin a dark horror or deep sci fi movie.
for example, when the queen alien is trowed up to space in ALIENS, the movement is stop motion and its the worst moment of the whole movie....
That was a tiny rod puppet.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 08:43:07 AM
That was a tiny rod puppet.
Im pretty sure that on the Making off they say they used Stop motion for this.
But maybe im wrong. It looked like shit anyway.
Quotefor example, when the queen alien is trowed up to space in ALIENS, the movement is stop motion and its the worst moment of the whole movie....
I rewatched it and it's not bad at all, in fact it looks very realistic to me, because of the way the Sulaco is shown in the background and the camera-work.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 02, 2011, 08:52:52 AM
Quotefor example, when the queen alien is trowed up to space in ALIENS, the movement is stop motion and its the worst moment of the whole movie....
I rewatched it and it's not bad at all, in fact it looks very realistic to me, because of the way the Sulaco is shown in the background and the camera-work.
I never liked how the queen spins and moves her hands like she is afraid of rats on the floor or something....
The rest is great.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 08:39:10 AM
... when the queen alien is trowed up to space in ALIENS, the movement is stop motion and its the worst moment of the whole movie....
As has been previously pointed out; I'm pretty sure that's a rod puppet. You can tell from the movements. Either way, personally it's never bothered me in the least.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 09:06:11 AM
I never liked how the queen spins and moves her hands like she is afraid of rats on the floor or something....
I've always liked the frantic movement the queen makes during that shot. To me, it communicates her absolute anger and frustration at her defeat and hopeless predicament. Her flailing reminds me of Daryl Hannah's character, Elle in Kill Bill: Volume 2; when Beatrix rips her eye out. Elle goes nuts and bounces around the room with hatred and a need for vengeance but at the same time, she is totally helpless.
Also, much like Elle; I can't help but feel a little sorry for the queen at that particular moment. :'(
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 08:39:10 AM
I love old stop motion, but it always looks too funny and unbeliable. Its great for Army Of Darkness, old movies that had no other way of doing it etc. but it can ruin a dark horror or deep sci fi movie.
Oddly enough, I've often felt that stop-motion can enhance the creepyness of a horror. For example, the twin in Basket Case or the rat-monkey in Braindead. The jerky motion somehow adds to the nightmarish quality. It's hard to explain but stop-motion certainly hasn't harmed any horror films for me, quite the opposite in fact.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 02, 2011, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 08:39:10 AM
... when the queen alien is trowed up to space in ALIENS, the movement is stop motion and its the worst moment of the whole movie....
As has been previously pointed out; I'm pretty sure that's a rod puppet. You can tell from the movements. Either way, personally it's never bothered me in the least.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 09:06:11 AM
I never liked how the queen spins and moves her hands like she is afraid of rats on the floor or something....
I've always liked the frantic movement the queen makes during that shot. To me, it communicates her absolute anger and frustration at her defeat and hopeless predicament. Her flailing reminds me of Daryl Hannah's character, Elle in Kill Bill: Volume 2; when Beatrix rips her eye out. Elle goes nuts and bounces around the room with hatred and a need for vengeance but at the same time, she is totally helpless.
Also, much like Elle; I can't help but feel a little sorry for the queen at that particular moment. :'(
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 08:39:10 AM
I love old stop motion, but it always looks too funny and unbeliable. Its great for Army Of Darkness, old movies that had no other way of doing it etc. but it can ruin a dark horror or deep sci fi movie.
Oddly enough, I've often felt that stop-motion can enhance the creepyness of a horror. For example, the twin in Basket Case or the rat-monkey in Braindead. The jerky motion somehow adds to the nightmarish quality. It's hard to explain but stop-motion certainly hasn't harmed any horror films for me, quite the opposite in fact.
Tha movement of the queen at the end never ruined the movie for me of course, but let´s say you watch this movie with a kid that is used to CGI and shit and dont know nothing about Stop motion etc. he will be fliped about the whole movie, he wont believe that the queen is not done by CGI almost, and he would be amazed about all the FX, but this scene in particular, the kid will explode in laughs. I know, i seen this reaction many times watching this movie with frinds, girlfriends, my dog etc...
StopMotion never ruined any movie for me either! dont misunderstand me. but imagine the queen in stop motion the whole movie...wont be the same at all....Dont know what they used in Alien 3 for the alien, but it was wrong and it really helped a lot for making it a much worse film that it shoul´ve been.
Regardign if its Rod Puppet or Stop Motion, I think they used rod puppets when the queen walks around the complex (toguwther with a big anumatronic costume with two guys inside and puppeters for the legs etc) and also in some scenes of the fight with rippley.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 09:42:55 AM
Tha movement of the queen at the end never ruined the movie for me of course, but let´s say you watch this movie with a kid that is used to CGI and shit and dont know nothing about Stop motion etc. he will be fliped about the whole movie, he wont believe that the queen is not done by CGI almost, and he would be amazed about all the FX, but this scene in particular, the kid will explode in laughs. I know, i seen this reaction many times watching this movie with frinds, girlfriends, my dog etc...
The thing is, the very kids who laugh at such effects will one day sit down as adults and watch their favourite films with their own kids. Those kids will then laugh at the out of date and cartoony CGI effects of the films of today. The cycle continues...
Ultimately, I couldn't care less if somebody finds the effects in a film I love laughable, simply because those effects have dated or aren't entirely convincing. It's mostly mirth born from ignorance. It's never going to stop me from enjoying an old favourite and as such their opinion is largely irrelevant to me.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 02, 2011, 09:42:55 AMDont know what they used in Alien 3 for the alien, but it was wrong and it really helped a lot for making it a much worse film that it shoul´ve been.
A rod puppet. Which was superbly executed. Unfortunately the compositing was very poorly done, which ruined the shots.
I just read an article in Swedens largest newspaper where the editor is declearing that this movie will answer all the questions about the SJ and is pitching it ass an all out prequel to Alien. He also writes a rather amusing description of when he snuck in at the movies to see Aliens at age 11 by tucking a coat hanger in his jacket to look bigger ;D
He also mentiones wathing the leaked trailer 20 times and sadly comes to the realization that the movie will never be as awesome as what he (or all of us Alien fans really) imagines in his mind while watching a crap quality off screen trailer.
There is of course no new real info but i just thought it was cool that the leaked trailer made it's way to such a unlikely place.
The title is: "Here comes the answers that all Alien fans have waited for since 1979"
http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/kronikor/fredrik-strage-nu-kommer-svaren-som-alla-alien-fans-har-vantat-pa-sedan-1979 (http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/kronikor/fredrik-strage-nu-kommer-svaren-som-alla-alien-fans-har-vantat-pa-sedan-1979)
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 07:52:39 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
There was some stop-motion in there.
What parts? I've never been able to spot any.
I could be wrong, but I'm sure it was the one shot of the two raptors once they've stepped inside the kitchens, and one snaps at the other. Just that one shot. If anyone knows to the contrary, chip in :)
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PMSo, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI
'
Underworld' was made on a relatively cheap budget, but the
entirety of the working mechanical crypt scene was completely generated by computers. Nobody realises it, because it looks so real.
Also, I believe that a lot of the rotor blades and associated effects during Ridley's own '
Black Hawk Down' were done in CGI, for reasons of safety. Something else few people realise, because it's done well.
Another example would be '
Independence Day'! The military withdrew support when mentions of Area 51 were refused to be removed from the script. It meant they had to switch completely over to CGI for all the air combat. A few shots were miniatures (possibly the explosions), but all the rest were done by computers. Everyone assumes they were models, but they're digital.
Then there's the stuff done for the new version of the '
Battlestar Galactica' television show. Completely CGI.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 02, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PMSo, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI
'Underworld' was made on a relatively cheap budget, but the entirety of the working mechanical crypt scene was completely generated by computers. Nobody realises it, because it looks so real.
Also, I believe that a lot of the rotor blades and associated effects during Ridley's own 'Black Hawk Down' were done in CGI, for reasons of safety. Something else few people realise, because it's done well.
Another example would be 'Independence Day'! The military withdrew support when mentions of Area 51 were refused to be removed from the script. It meant they had to switch completely over to CGI for all the air combat. A few shots were miniatures (possibly the explosions), but all the rest were done by computers. Everyone assumes they were models, but they're digital.
Then there's the stuff done for the new version of the 'Battlestar Galactica' television show. Completely CGI.
^
This.
I'm a huge supporter of practical effects and matte paintings and hate badly executed CGI with a vengeance but I've watched a fair few films on DVD, only to learn afterwards that a lot of CGI was used for landscapes. I would never have known had I not been told.
It's worth pointing out that in these cases there always tends to be a certain amount of practical location in combination with the CGI. Still, the fact is that bad CGI is very noticeable but well executed CGI is seemless, which is why some people claim CGI can't ever live up to practical methods; they've simply failed to recognise when it's done well.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 02, 2011, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 07:52:39 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
There was some stop-motion in there.
What parts? I've never been able to spot any.
I could be wrong, but I'm sure it was the one shot of the two raptors once they've stepped inside the kitchens, and one snaps at the other. Just that one shot. If anyone knows to the contrary, chip in :)
That'd be cg. The movements in that shot are almost identical to what you see in Tippet's animatic, though.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Dec 02, 2011, 04:25:10 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 02, 2011, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 07:52:39 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
There was some stop-motion in there.
What parts? I've never been able to spot any.
I could be wrong, but I'm sure it was the one shot of the two raptors once they've stepped inside the kitchens, and one snaps at the other. Just that one shot. If anyone knows to the contrary, chip in :)
That'd be cg. The movements in that shot are almost identical to what you see in Tippet's animatic, though.
Aye because the CGI was animated by using that animatic as a reference point.
Actually its a little bit of stop motion mixed with CG. Sort of wish they would have kept this tech as I thought it gave the animated characters more weight, which seems to be missing in today's recent CGI effects.
QuoteAs it turned out, Tippett was to play a large role in Jurassic Park as well and would ultimately share an Academy Award for that movie. Fortunately, Craig Hayes, art director and visual effects supervisor at Tippett Studio, had been working on an armature device to feed stop-motion animation data into Softimage`s 3D animation software. And Dennis Muren was interested in keeping Tippett involved in the project. The Dinosaur Input Device, or DID, as the armature came to be called, was used for 15 of the 52 computer animation shots in Jurassic Park, including the road sequence in which the T-Rex attacks the tourists` jeep and the kitchen sequence in which the two velociraptors hunt the children.
http://www.angelfire.com/film/philtippett/articles/realtroopers.html (http://www.angelfire.com/film/philtippett/articles/realtroopers.html)
So I was ... right?
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 02, 2011, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 02, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PMSo, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI
'Underworld' was made on a relatively cheap budget, but the entirety of the working mechanical crypt scene was completely generated by computers. Nobody realises it, because it looks so real.
Also, I believe that a lot of the rotor blades and associated effects during Ridley's own 'Black Hawk Down' were done in CGI, for reasons of safety. Something else few people realise, because it's done well.
Another example would be 'Independence Day'! The military withdrew support when mentions of Area 51 were refused to be removed from the script. It meant they had to switch completely over to CGI for all the air combat. A few shots were miniatures (possibly the explosions), but all the rest were done by computers. Everyone assumes they were models, but they're digital.
Then there's the stuff done for the new version of the 'Battlestar Galactica' television show. Completely CGI.
^
This.
I'm a huge supporter of practical effects and matte paintings and hate badly executed CGI with a vengeance but I've watched a fair few films on DVD, only to learn afterwards that a lot of CGI was used for landscapes. I would never have known had I not been told.
It's worth pointing out that in these cases there always tends to be a certain amount of practical location in combination with the CGI. Still, the fact is that bad CGI is very noticeable but well executed CGI is seemless, which is why some people claim CGI can't ever live up to practical methods; they've simply failed to recognise when it's done well.
Hello,
Before Vue & Terragen became over-popular by CG artists,
The landscapes (CG) you're referring were usually very real.
The only difference is the place they are put and matte painting
always looks "good" as CGI because it is usually "believable".
As I said in another thread of this forum:
There is a difference between what tells your eyes and what
tells your brain.
Your brain here at 1:38 will obviously tell you there is CG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gVWG5IQ7w# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gVWG5IQ7w#)
Because it can't believe there were so many soldiers, or the
set itself seems to not exist in real life.
Yet if you ask your eyes "what is CG for sure" I'm pretty sure
they have no idea at all.
Spoiler
Here you go for your answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSPeRaePkk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSPeRaePkk#ws)
MOUHAHAHAHA!!
Brain & Eyes, working together, yet, different things.
I'm not sure it's a great example really for the very reasons you're saying - it's hard to say what's real and what's not but it's one of those shots that screams CGI because it's there to impress with scale, therefore the fact it's a composite is quite glaring. There's no issue over the quality of the CGI or composition, but the way the scene has been chosen to be shot adds to a sense of unreality. It's a problem of sci fi and fantasy, the temptation is to go for the wow factor.
However, If CGI was used in the battles in Kingdom of Heaven, which I assume it was, it's been shot in a much more old school 'David Lean' epic sort of way: not adding extra disassociation with lots of flying camera moves.
I'm not too worried about Ridley Scott employing CGI, he isn't going to carefully craft and light a film only for the FX to scupper a sense of reality. He decided not to have a CGI rhino fight in Gladiator, and has preferred to use sets and practical FX augmented by CGI in the last decade.
Look at the trouble they went to with the final cut of Blade Runner, bringing back Joanna Cassidy and Harrison Ford's son to fix shots rather than just rely on CGI. Ridley knows how to use the tools of the filmmaking trade to the best advantage.
Anybody post this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvR_FlHDEfc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvR_FlHDEfc#)
I just rewatched the leaked trailer and at 36 seconds in, you see some guy and there's hands, with claws, around his neck....at first I thought...no, they're not claws, but, I forwarded it just a few frames, and indeed, something is holding this guy.....creepy.
A HD trailer soon, I hope.
Yeah hopefully very soon. Since, people actually saw a leaked trailer.
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 02, 2011, 08:19:29 PM
Anybody post this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvR_FlHDEfc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvR_FlHDEfc#)
Amen, Brother...AMEN!!!
does anyone have a download link for the original 15sec leaked footAGE? i was at work so didn't get to see :( heard there were more creature shots in it?
:'(
...there AREN'T more creature shots in it...and is much worse than the most recent 'leak'...
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 02, 2011, 08:19:29 PM
Anybody post this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvR_FlHDEfc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvR_FlHDEfc#)
Mr Scott making a whole lot of sense
but someone said a shiny/slimey black snake like creature features in a quick shot?
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 02, 2011, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 02, 2011, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 02, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PMSo, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI
'Underworld' was made on a relatively cheap budget, but the entirety of the working mechanical crypt scene was completely generated by computers. Nobody realises it, because it looks so real.
Also, I believe that a lot of the rotor blades and associated effects during Ridley's own 'Black Hawk Down' were done in CGI, for reasons of safety. Something else few people realise, because it's done well.
Another example would be 'Independence Day'! The military withdrew support when mentions of Area 51 were refused to be removed from the script. It meant they had to switch completely over to CGI for all the air combat. A few shots were miniatures (possibly the explosions), but all the rest were done by computers. Everyone assumes they were models, but they're digital.
Then there's the stuff done for the new version of the 'Battlestar Galactica' television show. Completely CGI.
^
This.
I'm a huge supporter of practical effects and matte paintings and hate badly executed CGI with a vengeance but I've watched a fair few films on DVD, only to learn afterwards that a lot of CGI was used for landscapes. I would never have known had I not been told.
It's worth pointing out that in these cases there always tends to be a certain amount of practical location in combination with the CGI. Still, the fact is that bad CGI is very noticeable but well executed CGI is seemless, which is why some people claim CGI can't ever live up to practical methods; they've simply failed to recognise when it's done well.
Hello,
Before Vue & Terragen became over-popular by CG artists,
The landscapes (CG) you're referring were usually very real.
The only difference is the place they are put and matte painting
always looks "good" as CGI because it is usually "believable".
As I said in another thread of this forum:
There is a difference between what tells your eyes and what
tells your brain.
Your brain here at 1:38 will obviously tell you there is CG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gVWG5IQ7w# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gVWG5IQ7w#)
Because it can't believe there were so many soldiers, or the
set itself seems to not exist in real life.
Yet if you ask your eyes "what is CG for sure" I'm pretty sure
they have no idea at all.
Spoiler
Here you go for your answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSPeRaePkk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSPeRaePkk#ws)
MOUHAHAHAHA!!
Brain & Eyes, working together, yet, different things.
yeah but I actually cited LOTR and Jurassic Park as movies that for the most part, in my opinion, employed good usage of good CGI
the CGI in those movies were for the most part a very positive contribution to the finished product, whereas Star Wars 1,2 and 3, probably the ultimate examples, were ruined by an endless barrage of empty CGI effects and creatures that rendered those films as nothing more than glorified cartoons with actors as mere props.
Along with the [still amazing] opening sequence to Balde Runner, 'Alien' could be used as another example that highlights my point:
I have not seen a single modern movie (utilising CGI effects) that has the same 'wow' factor that the whole 'derelict' sequence does in Alien. From the moment they clamber in through the openings of the ship, to the moment they encounter the Space Jockey, to the moment they come across the egg chamber and its seemingly massive scale......its 'wow' factor after 'wow' factor after 'wow' factor, and a perfect example of the powerful impact that the unique and ingenious conception and design of Giger,
coupled with expert set building, model building and matte painting, can have.
All of this is really just to counter the argument of a previous poster who posted something along the lines of
'i cant believe anyone would build models and utilise matte paintings when CGI can do the same thing quicker, easier and in more detail'.I have nothing against good usage of well executed and appropriate CGI but again I have to repeat that
I have yet to experience this same 'wow' factor on watching any modern day movie utilising advanced CGI effects......and this is why that for the most part, with Prometheus, I truly hope Ridley built models and sets and resorted to a [hopefully minimal] reliance on CGI only when he absolutely had to, or when the CGI actually did enhance what was being depicted on screen yet remained seemingly 'invisible' as CGI.
When I'm finally sitting in the theatre in June 2012 and that iconic 20th Century Fox logo fades out, I for one want to experience that same dazzling 'wow' factor that I experienced, each time, during Ridley's earlier two iconic masterpieces,.
I don't think you need worry: it's always been Ridley's approach.
Personally I think there was also a wow factor to the scene of the protagonists entering the arena in Gladiator, which was a tasteful CG extension of a real set. The set construction of Prometheus suggests the same approach to me.
Also remember Ridley's comments on the first A L I E N DVD commentary about the facehugger moving in the egg, that you could spend thousands on such an effect but it's just not needed. Ridley was a consummate experienced director long before his first film and knew about lenses and lighting. He's not going to suddenly change his spots and turn into some fool enthralled by CGI.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 01:21:28 PM
I don't think you need worry: it's always been Ridley's approach.
Personally I think there was also a wow factor to the scene of the protagonists entering the arena in Gladiator, which was a tasteful CG extension of a real set. The set construction of Prometheus suggests the same approach to me.
Also remember Ridley's comments on the first A L I E N DVD commentary about the facehugger moving in the egg, that you could spend thousands on such an effect but it's just not needed. Ridley was a consummate experienced director long before his first film and knew about lenses and lighting. He's not going to suddenly change his spots and turn into some fool enthralled by CGI.
Well, I dont sadly.
While I really enjoyed Gladiator and thought it was overall a cool movie, I can barely remember the scene you mention. I can only very vaguely visualise it in my mind, even though I've seen the film numerous times, whereas those stunning sequences in Blade Runner and Alien are almost permanently etched into my brain.
Now for me THAT is what a 'wow' factor is all about. Something that has a huge impact on you when you first witness it............and then when you see it again DECADES later.......... its STILL amazing !!!
Its almost as though you cant quite believe what youre looking at, but its there on screen, and it looks real....afterwards youre left wondering 'how the hell did they do that ?!' (and with a complete absence of CGI)
I'm doubtful that Prometheus can live up to the sort of precedent that Ridley set with Blade Runer and Alien though. Hopeful............ but doubtful. (and Id absolutely love to be proved wrong)
In the context of movies and effects in the late 70s and early 80s it must have been absolutely mindblowing to sit in a theatre and witness those movies for the first time on the silver screen.
Ridley has a hell of a lot to live up to and I sincerely hope he delivers.
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 04, 2011, 02:08:47 PM
Now for me THAT is what a 'wow' factor is all about. Something that has a huge impact on you when you first witness it............and then when you see it again DECADES later.......... its STILL amazing !!!
Its almost as though you cant quite believe what youre looking at, but its there on screen, and it looks real....afterwards youre left wondering 'how the hell did they do that ?!' (and with a complete absence of CGI)
I'm doubtful that Prometheus can live up to the sort of precedent that Ridley set with Blade Runer and Alien though. Hopeful............ but doubtful. (and Id absolutely love to be proved wrong)
I doubt that Prometheus is going to change cinema forever like Alien however it might just prove to be an instant classic even if its CGI isn't the best.
All the doubters.....boo :(
I'd like to think that Prometheus will do what ALIEN and BLADERUNNER did, in its own way.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 04, 2011, 02:41:32 PM
I'd like to think that Prometheus will do what ALIEN and BLADERUNNER did, I'm its own way.
Well it does have the potential to be up there with the greats.
Well, I agree to some extent. I did see both A L I E N and Blade Runner on original cinema release and it was the tail end of the big screen epic era of film makers like David Lean, so huge scale/scope and great cinematography were far from unprecedented and, although it might seem odd now the first release of Blade Runner did not get the sort of great reaction one might've assumed. Various critics felt that the music was too reminiscent of Chariots of Fire and that the visuals swamped the film (incredible in retrospect when you see where things have gone) and whilst I was personally stunned by the visual FX of Blade Runner in 1982, it was an extension and refinement of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
So, yeah I agree that visually both A L I E N and Blade Runner upped the ante in terms of visual FX, they almost took them to a level that can't be easily surpassed even today, you can't get any more convincing than completely convincing anyway. The trick this time around will be recreate the epic scale without undermining the reality. Sometimes the limitations of practical FX worked to its advantage because you couldn't just do anything that could possibly be imagined.
But as to the wow factor, I think its incredibly difficult to do that now, people are too used to CGI making any visual effect possible. It's only if a sense of reality can be maintained that you might still create that impression. So in some ways, the fact that you can't recall the CGI enhancement to the colosseum is a compliment to it's integration into the scene.
I did some work a few years ago for an model FX unit based at Ealing film studios and the prevailing view was that there are two types of visual FX: the obvious (impossible shot) for the wow factor) and the invisible, integrated shot... and the preference amongst those working in the field seemed to be for the integrated.
I have no doubt Prometheus will have stunning visuals - ten years ago Gary Oldman's prosthetic make-up on Hannibal was horrifyingly otherworldly so I completely trust RS to deliver using all the FX tools of the trade. Can people be stunned by a vista anymore? I don't know, but if the story is strong and has a maturity, and if it's got the measured pace of a plot that is immersive, that is the most important thing.
I do think though that as this is Ridley Scott, doing 3D for the first time, it might be a game changer again in a new way.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
I have no doubt Prometheus will have stunning visuals - ten years ago Gary Oldman's prosthetic make-up on Hannibal was horrifyingly otherworldly so I completely trust RS to deliver using all the FX tools of the trade. Can people be stunned by a vista anymore? I don't know, but if the story is strong and has a maturity, and if it's got the measured pace of a plot that is immersive, that is the most important thing.
This pretty much sums it all up.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
But as to the wow factor, I think its incredibly difficult to do that now, people are too used to CGI making any visual effect possible. It's only if a sense of reality can be maintained that you might still create that impression. So in some ways, the fact that you can't recall the CGI enhancement to the colosseum is a compliment to it's integration into the scene.
I disagree
Even with todays preponderance of CGI effects in movies (largely underwhelming), and taking into account that I'm so used to seeing them and 'impossible' things on screen.......I'm STILL blown away by the visual effects in Blade Runner and the whole 'derelict' scene in Alien
I do remember an obvious 'CGI looking' wide scale (overhead i think) shot of The Colosseum in Gladiator and being unimpressed because it looked just like what it was.....CGI
I just couldnt recall the scene you mentioned, and I'm pretty sure it wasnt this one.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
I have no doubt Prometheus will have stunning visuals - ten years ago Gary Oldman's prosthetic make-up on Hannibal was horrifyingly otherworldly so I completely trust RS to deliver using all the FX tools of the trade. Can people be stunned by a vista anymore?
I hope that as well as being stunning, the visuals are believable too, regardless of the strangeness or scale of whats being depicted. He did fail to do this in certain scenes in Gladiator I seem to remember, one of which I mentioned above.
Can people still be stunned by a vista ?
yes !!
absolutely
(at least I can anyway)
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
I don't know, but if the story is strong and has a maturity, and if it's got the measured pace of a plot that is immersive, that is the most important thing.
...that....and an environment that is believable and you really feel is 'there', or better, could actually exist
Thats why 'Avatar' is so unmemorable for me - the whole thing looks like a cartoon and theres almost nothing 'believable' about any of whats depicted on screen (as much as I love many of the ideas in the movie). It never feels like a real, solid, flesh and bone place, nor did the CGI characters seem real or 'there' in a purely physical sense.
Conversely, I thought an 'otherworldly environment' was brilliantly portrayed in Alien on LV426, considering the limited tools of the day. Much of the planet and its inhospitable nature were conveyed simply and highly effectively by the very fact that you hardly saw anything much other than the odd shapes and outlines of a landscape mostly obscured by awful weather and a lack of sunlight
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
I do think though that as this is Ridley Scott, doing 3D for the first time, it might be a game changer again in a new way.
I sincerely hope youre right !
I honestly don't even know what the big deal is in terms of a physical matte painting or a digital one. I've been BLOWN AWAY by digital backdrops that were/are so stunningly beautiful in their perfection. If I'm wowed, I'm wowed, it doesn't matter what the medium is.
Gollum is another WOW for me and absolutely proves how amazing CG can be if used perfectly.
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 04, 2011, 04:24:42 PM
Thats why 'Avatar' is so unmemorable for me - the whole thing looks like a cartoon and theres almost nothing 'believable' about any of whats depicted on screen (as much as I love many of the ideas in the movie). It never feels like a real, solid, flesh and bone place, nor did the CGI characters seem real or 'there' in a purely physical sense.
I'm the complete opposite. Although I know the world and characters are not real in Avatar, the CGI was so outstanding that it was enough to suspend my disbelief making them feel real and solid creating the sense that they were 'there.'
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 04, 2011, 04:51:54 PM
I honestly don't even know what the big deal is in terms of a physical matte painting or a digital one. I've been BLOWN AWAY by digital backdrops that were/are so stunningly beautiful in their perfection. If I'm wowed, I'm wowed, it doesn't matter what the medium is.
Gollum is another WOW for me and absolutely proves how amazing CG can be if used perfectly.
Dude, don't get him started on the "Jaw dropping" Blade runner scene again.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 04, 2011, 04:51:54 PM
Gollum is another WOW for me and absolutely proves how amazing CG can be if used perfectly.
Hmm, I'm afraid we part company on that point. Gollum, whilst a digital leap forward, still didn't convince at all, though it might have helped if I could understand what the tit was saying.
Why have these boards devolved into pro/anti CGI effects bollocks...
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 04, 2011, 04:51:54 PM
Gollum is another WOW for me and absolutely proves how amazing CG can be if used perfectly.
Hmm, I'm afraid we part company on that point. Gollum, whilst a digital leap forward, still didn't convince at all, though it might have helped if I could understand what the tit was saying.
Stupid fat Hobbit!
Spoiler
To those who haven't seen it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws)
When you click the link, you'll see that the description says that the official trailer will come out on Dec. 12.
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Dec 04, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
Spoiler
To those who haven't seen it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws)
WOAH!!...Never seen THAT before... :P
Quote from: Glaive on Dec 04, 2011, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Dec 04, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
Spoiler
To those who haven't seen it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws)
WOAH!!...Never seen THAT before... :P
Like I said, the video is for the people who HAVEN'T seen it, yet.
Please be the 12th of December! :o
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Dec 04, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Dec 04, 2011, 06:02:19 PM
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Spoiler
To those who haven't seen it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws)
WOAH!!...Never seen THAT before... :P
Like I said, the video is for the people who HAVEN'T seen it, yet.
Where did you say that? ???
Quote from: Glaive on Dec 04, 2011, 06:53:15 PM
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Dec 04, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Dec 04, 2011, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Dec 04, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
Spoiler
To those who haven't seen it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws)
WOAH!!...Never seen THAT before... :P
Like I said, the video is for the people who HAVEN'T seen it, yet.
Where did you say that? ???
Click on the SPOILER tag again. It supposed to say: "To those who haven't see it."
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 04, 2011, 04:24:42 PM
I do remember an obvious 'CGI looking' wide scale (overhead i think) shot of The Colosseum in Gladiator and being unimpressed because it looked just like what it was.....CGI
I just couldnt recall the scene you mentioned, and I'm pretty sure it wasnt this one.
No, that's not the shot. I agree that the overhead shot of the Collosseum is obviously CGI, I'd say it's the weakest shot in Gladiator. The shot being described is when the gladiators enter the Collosseum in Rome for the first time and the fact that you personally can't remember it seems irrelevant. It's an iconic shot in cinema and one of the greatest examples of CGI.
Here's a link to that scene, albiet in poor quality. The discussed shot occurs from 1:05 to 1:35...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfgKkhVHI-4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfgKkhVHI-4#ws)
Yes, that's the shot I was talking about. Also though it should be pointed out that the overhead view of the Colosseum that's been mentioned is actually still the built sets in Malta, augmented by CGI rather than a pure CGI shot.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 04, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Yes, that's the shot I was talking about. Also though it should be pointed out that the overhead view of the Colosseum that's been mentioned is actually still the built sets in Malta, augmented by CGI rather than a pure CGI shot.
I knew that was the shot because as has been said it's iconic.
I suspected it was augmented CGI for the overhead shot but I do maintain that it's the only shot in Gladiator that looks fake. I think it might have to do with the lighting and the CG birds.
Where can I find the trailer now it has been removed? Does anyone have a copy of it in a file they can email me, or at least the still pics?
Many thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r5YGGKRIEI#ws)
If it gets down again just search youtube for "Prometheus Trailer" and sort by date, it's reuploaded all the time.
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Quote from: JKS1 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:27:36 PMSo, please, some examples of scenes and movies where the CGI depicted landscapes and spaceships arent obviously CGI
'Underworld' was made on a relatively cheap budget, but the entirety of the working mechanical crypt scene was completely generated by computers. Nobody realises it, because it looks so real.
Also, I believe that a lot of the rotor blades and associated effects during Ridley's own 'Black Hawk Down' were done in CGI, for reasons of safety. Something else few people realise, because it's done well.
Another example would be 'Independence Day'! The military withdrew support when mentions of Area 51 were refused to be removed from the script. It meant they had to switch completely over to CGI for all the air combat. A few shots were miniatures (possibly the explosions), but all the rest were done by computers. Everyone assumes they were models, but they're digital.
Then there's the stuff done for the new version of the 'Battlestar Galactica' television show. Completely CGI.
^
This.
I'm a huge supporter of practical effects and matte paintings and hate badly executed CGI with a vengeance but I've watched a fair few films on DVD, only to learn afterwards that a lot of CGI was used for landscapes. I would never have known had I not been told.
It's worth pointing out that in these cases there always tends to be a certain amount of practical location in combination with the CGI. Still, the fact is that bad CGI is very noticeable but well executed CGI is seemless, which is why some people claim CGI can't ever live up to practical methods; they've simply failed to recognise when it's done well.
Hello,
Before Vue & Terragen became over-popular by CG artists,
The landscapes (CG) you're referring were usually very real.
The only difference is the place they are put and matte painting
always looks "good" as CGI because it is usually "believable".
As I said in another thread of this forum:
There is a difference between what tells your eyes and what
tells your brain.
Your brain here at 1:38 will obviously tell you there is CG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gVWG5IQ7w# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gVWG5IQ7w#)
Because it can't believe there were so many soldiers, or the
set itself seems to not exist in real life.
Yet if you ask your eyes "what is CG for sure" I'm pretty sure
they have no idea at all.
Spoiler
Here you go for your answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSPeRaePkk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSPeRaePkk#ws)
MOUHAHAHAHA!!
Brain & Eyes, working together, yet, different things.
yeah but I actually cited LOTR and Jurassic Park as movies that for the most part, in my opinion, employed good usage of good CGI
the CGI in those movies were for the most part a very positive contribution to the finished product, whereas Star Wars 1,2 and 3, probably the ultimate examples, were ruined by an endless barrage of empty CGI effects and creatures that rendered those films as nothing more than glorified cartoons with actors as mere props.
Along with the [still amazing] opening sequence to Balde Runner, 'Alien' could be used as another example that highlights my point:
I have not seen a single modern movie (utilising CGI effects) that has the same 'wow' factor that the whole 'derelict' sequence does in Alien. From the moment they clamber in through the openings of the ship, to the moment they encounter the Space Jockey, to the moment they come across the egg chamber and its seemingly massive scale......its 'wow' factor after 'wow' factor after 'wow' factor, and a perfect example of the powerful impact that the unique and ingenious conception and design of Giger, coupled with expert set building, model building and matte painting, can have.
All of this is really just to counter the argument of a previous poster who posted something along the lines of 'i cant believe anyone would build models and utilise matte paintings when CGI can do the same thing quicker, easier and in more detail'.
I have nothing against good usage of well executed and appropriate CGI but again I have to repeat that I have yet to experience this same 'wow' factor on watching any modern day movie utilising advanced CGI effects.
.....and this is why that for the most part, with Prometheus, I truly hope Ridley built models and sets and resorted to a [hopefully minimal] reliance on CGI only when he absolutely had to, or when the CGI actually did enhance what was being depicted on screen yet remained seemingly 'invisible' as CGI.
When I'm finally sitting in the theatre in June 2012 and that iconic 20th Century Fox logo fades out, I for one want to experience that same dazzling 'wow' factor that I experienced, each time, during Ridley's earlier two iconic masterpieces,.
It not going to happen. You are goint to hate CGI in that movie as much as me. :(
I just got back from seeing Hugo, and that's an example of CGI used for a wow factor. Granted, it didn't look realistic, but then, that wasn't the point. It's just another kind of paint to create art with. You can throw it around haphazardly and call it pretty, or you can put effort into it and use it when it works for the piece.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 04, 2011, 04:51:54 PM
I honestly don't even know what the big deal is in terms of a physical matte painting or a digital one. I've been BLOWN AWAY by digital backdrops that were/are so stunningly beautiful in their perfection. If I'm wowed, I'm wowed, it doesn't matter what the medium is.
Gollum is another WOW for me and absolutely proves how amazing CG can be if used perfectly.
For me watching at gollum is like watching Roger Rabit. Is a cartoon in a human´s world.
That´s the problem, if people can believe gollum, if this sets the level of acceptancy for people, why are you going to try to make it more credible? "make it like gollum its enough". And gollums sums it all up: Non beliable movements, no sense of being phisically real, and the worst part: A COMIC DESIGN and COMICAL body and facial expresion.
Horrible.
Quote from: Alien³ on Dec 04, 2011, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 04, 2011, 04:24:42 PM
Thats why 'Avatar' is so unmemorable for me - the whole thing looks like a cartoon and theres almost nothing 'believable' about any of whats depicted on screen (as much as I love many of the ideas in the movie). It never feels like a real, solid, flesh and bone place, nor did the CGI characters seem real or 'there' in a purely physical sense.
I'm the complete opposite. Although I know the world and characters are not real in Avatar, the CGI was so outstanding that it was enough to suspend my disbelief making them feel real and solid creating the sense that they were 'there.'
Hate avatar. The history is just horrible but the CGI is (even perfectly done) hateable. The concept of it: LETS MIX real human with cartoons. That´s what it is to me. real human interacting with cartoons. So, they are in Cartoon planet. A planet with 3D cartoon creatures, drawed by some cartoon god or something. That is what I see, and what is worse, that is what James Cameron want´s us to see. A cartoon world! And people just watches at it, and they believe it.
Also, Avatar is the start for that 3D madness that is destroying sci fi and action movies.Now everything is done in the sake of 3D. Well...at least 3d somewhere because the characters are uni dimensional in all those 3d movies.
JC is dead to me.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 05, 2011, 04:00:13 AM
I just got back from seeing Hugo, and that's an example of CGI used for a wow factor. Granted, it didn't look realistic, but then, that wasn't the point. It's just another kind of paint to create art with. You can throw it around haphazardly and call it pretty, or you can put effort into it and use it when it works for the piece.
If you can not make it look real, then I dont understand where is the point of it...
Just because is there Im not going to believe it. But it seems that people do as far as in on the screen...lucky them...
Things don't have to look real to serve a purpose. The mere fact of CGI isn't enough- if it's artless and pointless, it's worthless. In my example, Hugo, it was an artistic choice to give the film a certain dreamlike look.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 05, 2011, 04:21:51 AM
Things don't have to look real to serve a purpose. The mere fact of CGI isn't enough- if it's artless and pointless, it's worthless. In my example, Hugo, it was an artistic choice to give the film a certain dreamlike look.
Ok I got it. Let me say it diferently: Doesn´t need to look REAL, like from our world, but needs to look INTEGRATED in the world is descriving.
Gollum is not integrated in the world of the LOTR movie, because its not a world of 3D talking cartoons.
Avatar planet and chreatures are not integrated because its not Cartoon Planet.
Landscapes and hordes of people are integrated on 300.
The comic style is integrated on sin city because its a COMIC style movie.
Hugo I don´t know because I havn´t seen it. and Im really afraid to do so: Scorsese+3d CGI sounds bad, really bad.
CGI has ruined a lot of directors: Tim Burton, James Cameron (even he started mastering it), George Lucas, Spielberg has used it quite well but he is slipping to the dark side, or one of the saddest examples : Terry Gilliam.
By the way, maybe we should create a forum topic for discussing CGI as we are stealling the thread here...
Good god I'm through with this topic. This is like digging to china with an icicle. You can't please people whatsoever.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 05, 2011, 04:31:07 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 05, 2011, 04:21:51 AM
Things don't have to look real to serve a purpose. The mere fact of CGI isn't enough- if it's artless and pointless, it's worthless. In my example, Hugo, it was an artistic choice to give the film a certain dreamlike look.
Ok I got it. Let me say it diferently: Doesn´t need to look REAL, like from our world, but needs to look INTEGRATED in the world is descriving.
Gollum is not integrated in the world of the LOTR movie, because its not a world of 3D talking cartoons.
Avatar planet and chreatures are not integrated because its not Cartoon Planet.
Landscapes and hordes of people are integrated on 300.
The comic style is integrated on sin city because its a COMIC style movie.
Hugo I don´t know because I havn´t seen it. and Im really afraid to do so: Scorsese+3d CGI sounds bad, really bad.
CGI has ruined a lot of directors: Tim Burton, James Cameron (even he started mastering it), George Lucas, Spielberg has used it quite well but he is slipping to the dark side, or one of the saddest examples : Terry Gilliam.
By the way, maybe we should create a forum topic for discussing CGI as we are stealling the thread here...
on drugs.... you are on drugs ..... bad ones ......... like meth ......... maybe crack.
from an very recent interview with Mr Gilliam
QuoteOn digital effects: "They are a Damocles sword. Any of this stuff you use is just a tool but there's this rush now for photorealism and it bothers me. There's so much overt fantasy now that I don't watch a lot of the films because everything is possible now. There's no tension there. Where's the tension? Is it possible? Will you succeed? Will gravity take over? None of those things are part of the equation anymore. The denial of reality and consequence was fun when these movies began but now it's been 20 years of this stuff. I keep waiting for the public to get fed up with it but then I worry that now it's been here so long the audience is trained that this is what movies are meant to be.
That said digital effects are only a tool.
New Gilliam movies have the ugliest and most anoying CGI effects I´ve ever seen. Its just unwatchable. Can´t stand it.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 05, 2011, 09:11:10 AM
New Gilliam movies have the ugliest and most anoying CGI effects I´ve ever seen. Its just unwatchable. Can´t stand it.
maybe you should go bury or head in the sand and wait for this cgi thing to blow over.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 05, 2011, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 05, 2011, 09:11:10 AM
New Gilliam movies have the ugliest and most anoying CGI effects I´ve ever seen. Its just unwatchable. Can´t stand it.
maybe you should go bury or head in the sand and wait for this cgi thing to blow over.
nah, there is plenty of movies to enjoy that don't use bad CGI.
Anyway I insist we should continue this topic somewhere else, or stop it already.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 05, 2011, 04:31:07 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 05, 2011, 04:21:51 AM
Things don't have to look real to serve a purpose. The mere fact of CGI isn't enough- if it's artless and pointless, it's worthless. In my example, Hugo, it was an artistic choice to give the film a certain dreamlike look.
Ok I got it. Let me say it diferently: Doesn´t need to look REAL, like from our world, but needs to look INTEGRATED in the world is descriving.
Gollum is not integrated in the world of the LOTR movie, because its not a world of 3D talking cartoons.
Avatar planet and chreatures are not integrated because its not Cartoon Planet.
Landscapes and hordes of people are integrated on 300.
The comic style is integrated on sin city because its a COMIC style movie.
Hugo I don´t know because I havn´t seen it. and Im really afraid to do so: Scorsese+3d CGI sounds bad, really bad.
CGI has ruined a lot of directors: Tim Burton, James Cameron (even he started mastering it), George Lucas, Spielberg has used it quite well but he is slipping to the dark side, or one of the saddest examples : Terry Gilliam.
By the way, maybe we should create a forum topic for discussing CGI as we are stealling the thread here...
Do you think the same when watching the 1933 version of
King Kong or
Jason and the Argonauts? I don't believe CGI has "ruined directors". It's a tool/mechanism that's easier to employ and we're spoilt in that most movies (specifically Hollywood event movies) contain effects employed to get bums on seats (most of the effects are good even if the movie isn't). However, when assessing the validity of CGI in modern movies, one should look at the best examples and not the worst. I don't particularly like
Avatar, but it would have been impossible to make a few years ago. I happen to think it's a worthy experiment at pushing the boundaries of virtual environments in cinema.
CGI presents filmmakers with further opportunity to realise their ideas/concepts. Of course not all of them are good or worthy of exploration, but I'd sooner have a
Jurassic Park,
The Lord of the Rings ,
Star Wars, Star Trek movies made possible by CGI than not have them at all. But that's just me...
Cheers man but missed it again,got to see the stills though thats defo a space jockey next to the chair,kinda adds up to the story that man pisses off the jockeys enougth for them to activate the urns into some kind of bio weapon. lovein the website mate keep up the great work,Boab
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 05, 2011, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 05, 2011, 04:31:07 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 05, 2011, 04:21:51 AM
Things don't have to look real to serve a purpose. The mere fact of CGI isn't enough- if it's artless and pointless, it's worthless. In my example, Hugo, it was an artistic choice to give the film a certain dreamlike look.
Ok I got it. Let me say it diferently: Doesn´t need to look REAL, like from our world, but needs to look INTEGRATED in the world is descriving.
Gollum is not integrated in the world of the LOTR movie, because its not a world of 3D talking cartoons.
Avatar planet and chreatures are not integrated because its not Cartoon Planet.
Landscapes and hordes of people are integrated on 300.
The comic style is integrated on sin city because its a COMIC style movie.
Hugo I don´t know because I havn´t seen it. and Im really afraid to do so: Scorsese+3d CGI sounds bad, really bad.
CGI has ruined a lot of directors: Tim Burton, James Cameron (even he started mastering it), George Lucas, Spielberg has used it quite well but he is slipping to the dark side, or one of the saddest examples : Terry Gilliam.
By the way, maybe we should create a forum topic for discussing CGI as we are stealling the thread here...
Do you think the same when watching the 1933 version of King Kong or Jason and the Argonauts? I don't believe CGI has "ruined directors". It's a tool/mechanism that's easier to employ and we're spoilt in that most movies (specifically Hollywood event movies) contain effects employed to get bums on seats (most of the effects are good even if the movie isn't). However, when assessing the validity of CGI in modern movies, one should look at the best examples and not the worst. I don't particularly like Avatar, but it would have been impossible to make a few years ago. I happen to think it's a worthy experiment at pushing the boundaries of virtual environments in cinema.
CGI presents filmmakers with further opportunity to realise their ideas/concepts. Of course not all of them are good or worthy of exploration, but I'd sooner have a Jurassic Park, The Lord of the Rings , Star Wars, Star Trek movies made possible by CGI than not have them at all. But that's just me...
Remove Star Wars 1,2,3 from that list and I'd agree with you as I'd be quite happy if those movies were never made
Anyway I'm just glad that it seems as though Prometheus wont feature CGI Space Jockeys and theyve built huge sets, so I'm happy on those fronts at least, and thank God there wont be any CGI androids either
I'm glad Scott is doing more set pieces than all out CGI. Yes, even in 2012, CGI can still SUCK. There is no texture in CGI. The human eye can detect its artificiality instantly.
Thanks for the link. Superb.
Is this the only trailer to have been leaked this far? I'm just wondering if the trailer from ComiCon was ever leaked.
Quote from: unkle73 on Dec 06, 2011, 01:25:49 AM
Thanks for the link. Superb.
Is this the only trailer to have been leaked this far? I'm just wondering if the trailer from ComiCon was ever leaked.
yeah it was out there briefly
i remember seeing it
it bore only a vague resemblance to the 2 most recent 'leaks'
Blade 2 uses horrible cgi at the start when he's sword fighting those two vampires under the lamps, but it's still a good film. Cgi
can be useful depending how it's done. Alot of prometheus is practical sets but having cg used for the creatures and the ship effects dosen't bother me too much. 3D i'm unsure of at present, but it's gonna take a few more films to convince me, clash of the titans 3D was terrible and rushed during post production just to satisfy a quick box office cash grab. However the 3d in Avatar shows what can be achieved when done correctly by using the right equipment.
Apparently Fox has delayed the official trailer release due to the leak:
QuoteThis probably isn't the most surprising news, but it seems that the recent leak of the Prometheus trailer threw Fox's plans a little off course, to the extent, I've been told, that the official release has been pushed back.
The precise reason for the delay is not clear, but, if the leak hadn't occured, there's even a chance we could have seen in glorious HD already.
Given the overwelmingley positive reaction that the trailer received, let's hope they just want to spend a bit more time fine-tuning things. As rough as the trailer looked, and despite being a work in progress, it did make a great job of setting the tone and scale of the film, and certainly got fans' juices flowing. Fingers crossed they won't tamper too much!
I'm trying to confirm what the new date will be, but I am confident we'll see it before Christmas.
http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/2011/12/confirmed-fox-postpone-official-prometheus-trailer-release-following-recent-leak/ (http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/2011/12/confirmed-fox-postpone-official-prometheus-trailer-release-following-recent-leak/)
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 07, 2011, 01:45:29 AM
Apparently Fox has delayed the official trailer release due to the leak:
QuoteThis probably isn't the most surprising news, but it seems that the recent leak of the Prometheus trailer threw Fox's plans a little off course, to the extent, I've been told, that the official release has been pushed back.
The precise reason for the delay is not clear, but, if the leak hadn't occured, there's even a chance we could have seen in glorious HD already.
Given the overwelmingley positive reaction that the trailer received, let's hope they just want to spend a bit more time fine-tuning things. As rough as the trailer looked, and despite being a work in progress, it did make a great job of setting the tone and scale of the film, and certainly got fans' juices flowing. Fingers crossed they won't tamper too much!
I'm trying to confirm what the new date will be, but I am confident we'll see it before Christmas.
http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/2011/12/confirmed-fox-postpone-official-prometheus-trailer-release-following-recent-leak/ (http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/2011/12/confirmed-fox-postpone-official-prometheus-trailer-release-following-recent-leak/)
Sounds like complete hyperbole at the highest level.
They have nothing to gain and nothing to loose by showing the trailer as planned. Shit happens. They seriously could not expect to show an online screener and not have it get it out.
Put it this way, what do they loose in any aspect? Nothing, if anything it's building hype.
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Santa will not deliever! :(
like we don't know they allowed it to leak just for that anyways.
Oh deary deary me if true, let's hope they don't tinker around with this trailer too much, personally i think they will re edit and change the trailer score to remove it from alien more so it shows the film represents itself fox are very cagey about this trailer leak, and remember Rothman said we have yet to see the trailer in 3D, i'm thinking early january for this trailer. But hey we have all seen it regardless and it got us all stoked for the film.
Bullshit. Anyone actually read that? The only thing that saw in those words is "I heard" No source, no citation, no back up. This is complete and utter hogwash.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 07, 2011, 04:42:47 AM
Bullshit. Anyone actually read that? The only thing that saw in those words is "I heard" No source, no citation, no back up. This is complete and utter hogwash.
[troll]
I dunno, it might actually be phoney balogne... ;)
[/troll]
i hope so too.
Time for a quick clarification/correction...
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 07, 2011, 04:42:47 AM
Bullshit. Anyone actually read that?
Not you, obviously...
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 07, 2011, 04:42:47 AMThe only thing that saw in those words is "I heard"
What I actually wrote was 'I have been told'. Which I was, first hand, by someone with direct knowledge of the situation. Obviously I'm not going to name the person who told me, just as sources of news on AvPG, Alien Prequel News and other sites remain un-named.
If I had any doubts about what I'd been told I wouldn't have reported it, and I stand by it, as I have always and will always do if I see or directly receive information that I am happy is genuine. Of course, you can feel free to believe or dis-believe it. I really don't care.
Sometimes, it seems to me, that these leaks are being leaked on purpose.
Reporting/Journalism 101.....here goes.....
Cite your sources, confirm your information. Because anyone can write anything on the internet and say it's true, accuracy and legitimacy is a must. If not, you'll start reading news items based off hearsay "I was told" "I heard" "my good friend."
I'm not trying to bust anyone's balls here, truly, I'm just sick of reading posts and entries from people who say they have pseudo-official knowledge but are unwilling and unable to produce any kind of corroborating evidence or contact info. Obviously, part of this comes down to deep throat contact who wish not to be named (which strangely is always the case lol).
When I was about 23, I had a dumb little online newsgroup called The Viper Pit, which I started as the build up for Alien Resurrection began. I was contacted by Kerry Shea, a visual effects coordinator on the show. She gave me some awesome information that I was able to share with everyone involved with the zine.
I've read several postings in relation to Prometheus so far, posted by earnest and excited individuals citing a secret unknown source and to be taken as gospel, all of it based on their word. You'll have to forgive the gratuitous amount of skepticism on my part. I don't think it's particularly ethical or fair to excite or disappoint a rather rabid fan base with knowledge that cannot be confirmed except on the word of the unknown, faceless poster.
But maybe that's just me.
It seems like a bizarre move on Fox's part. I mean why have they chosen to delay the trailer just because the leaked one was so popular? I'm not doubting that they have but it just seems like such a nonsensical thing to do.
I just can't shake the image in my head; of Rothman crying like a fat baby, throwing all of his toys out of the pram. "WAH WAHHHH... the trailer got leaked mommy! WAHHHHHHHH... me no like. Me delay official trailer and make the fanboys cry... WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
What a dick move.
St. Eddie, that's not confirmed whatsoever, and we never had a date of release in the first place.
Well in any case I sure hope they didn't delay the trailer because they realized they showed all of the good parts in it.
:-\
Quote from: Zenzucht on Dec 07, 2011, 11:40:50 AMSometimes, it seems to me, that these leaks are being leaked on purpose.
Roger roger.
-Chris
Late, not late, it will be attached to a Fox movie for the Christmas holiday. They'd be absolutely crazy to miss that boat.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 07, 2011, 12:48:10 PM
St. Eddie, that's not confirmed whatsoever, and we never had a date of release in the first place.
Actually mate, there was a second part to my post (via an edit) that got wiped because my piece of s**t PS3 just crashed on me. So I'll retype it...
I agree with the
possibility of the news being fake. To the fellow who posted the news...
You really can't come forth with such news, not cite your sources and then become aggravated when people doubt you. ThisBethesdaSea is correct; that's journalism 101. I'm not necessarily doubting the authenticity of the news but I am wary of such things due to the sheer volume of braggers and fakers who've emerged from the woodwork, claiming to possess "insider knowledge". I'd say that approximately 5% of those people are on the level.
If you're unable to cite your sources, then you should expect a healthy amount of skepticism. Don't blame the doubters amongst us; blame the fraudulent idiots who've led us to become so wary. ;)
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 07, 2011, 01:09:08 PM
expect a healthy amount of skepticism
Oh, I do :-) I know myself from following this and other movies, that much mis-information - intentional or otherwise - surfaces with annoying frequency. That's par for the course. I'll put my tetchiness earlier down to a late night and an early morning :-) for what it's worth, the information came from within the Fox UK marketing dept.
i don't know about you but i simply stopped reading posts made by certain members.
Quote from: Zenzucht on Dec 07, 2011, 11:40:50 AM
Sometimes, it seems to me, that these leaks are being leaked on purpose.
hit the nail on the head there,who thinks that these leaks are bad for buisness for fox?they have got more people talking and speculating than any trailer proper could have, i think fox have their very own Ash working for the publicity department.
Quote from: boabwalker on Dec 07, 2011, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Zenzucht on Dec 07, 2011, 11:40:50 AM
Sometimes, it seems to me, that these leaks are being leaked on purpose.
hit the nail on the head there,who thinks that these leaks are bad for buisness for fox?they have got more people talking and speculating than any trailer proper could have, i think fox have their very own Ash working for the publicity department.
Hmmmm...
Maybe Rothman is the world's first synthetic! It's all starting to make some kind of sick sense now. :o
... We're through the looking glass, people.
I've heard rumblings of next Monday, actually, but I'm unsure if that's cinematic or online. I'm not 100%, I'm just throwing it out there. I'm checking back on where the release is. I'm gonna check with some of my cinema projectionist buddies too, see if they've got any reels in yet.
If it's strictly in theaters then I'll spend 10 bucks just see it, then I'll walk out and get a refund.
Repeat for the next week or so until it's officially released online.
Any Fox movies due out next week? ;)
Quote from: harlock on Dec 07, 2011, 08:34:26 PM
Any Fox movies due out next week? ;)
Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chip-Wrecked :D :P
*"hilarious" face-palm gif*
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 07, 2011, 08:38:56 PM
Quote from: harlock on Dec 07, 2011, 08:34:26 PM
Any Fox movies due out next week? ;)
Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chip-Wrecked :D :P
There is no way I get near to any cinema where they are showing this Alvin crap.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 08, 2011, 08:31:59 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 07, 2011, 08:38:56 PM
Quote from: harlock on Dec 07, 2011, 08:34:26 PM
Any Fox movies due out next week? ;)
Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chip-Wrecked :D :P
There is no way I get near to any cinema where they are showing this Alvin crap.
I think it's cute. :/
it's a piece of chip.