Does the Alien Anthology consider the Aliens Kenner action figures to be canon?

[SM]

Tiresome raving aside I think PredXeno was after something more specific..

[predxeno]

Well, the King Alien action figure from Kenner could be naturally occurring.  Of course, that opens the question of whether you accept that medium to be canon.

Unfortunately in Aliens Anthology special features they showed the toys as being separate from the Saga. On the other hand I think every writer likes those toys and have been working them into the stories.

Does anybody know where this is?  Where do they say that?

Aliens: Legacy, could have asked me in a p.m. instead of sm.

Sorry about that, but SM has a point in the last post; could you tell me where exactly I can find this source that says toys aren't canon?

EDIT:

AVP arcade and AVP:Extinction is normally not considered canon. you know, because of the insane alien species and weird Class-based predators.

They are canon, in the Aliens legacy feature is states that the games, movies, books, and comics are the same Saga.  That is a major word to use "Saga", when talking about a fictional universe.   Those Insane Aliens you speak of are a good incentive to make sure they do not come to your planet, otherwise as stated in AvP:E you wont be getting your planet back without a heavy heavy price.  The funky weapons you speak of that the Yautja use are as dub them Weapons of War.

Which feature is this?

[KingAngel ofthe Outergulf]

Well, the King Alien action figure from Kenner could be naturally occurring.  Of course, that opens the question of whether you accept that medium to be canon.

Unfortunately in Aliens Anthology special features they showed the toys as being separate from the Saga. On the other hand I think every writer likes those toys and have been working them into the stories.

Does anybody know where this is?  Where do they say that?

Aliens: Legacy, could have asked me in a p.m. instead of sm.

Sorry about that, but SM has a point in the last post; could you tell me where exactly I can find this source that says toys aren't canon?

EDIT:

AVP arcade and AVP:Extinction is normally not considered canon. you know, because of the insane alien species and weird Class-based predators.

They are canon, in the Aliens legacy feature is states that the games, movies, books, and comics are the same Saga.  That is a major word to use "Saga", when talking about a fictional universe.   Those Insane Aliens you speak of are a good incentive to make sure they do not come to your planet, otherwise as stated in AvP:E you wont be getting your planet back without a heavy heavy price.  The funky weapons you speak of that the Yautja use are as dub them Weapons of War.

Which feature is this?

I already said it Aliens: Legacy, that is the name of the feature in the Alien Anthology special disc set.

[predxeno]

Oh ok, thanks.  Do you remember who it was who said that toys aren't canon?  Was it a producer of a film, a director, or maybe an actor?

[KingAngel ofthe Outergulf]

Oh ok, thanks.  Do you remember who it was who said that toys aren't canon?  Was it a producer of a film, a director, or maybe an actor?

Narrator.

They left all the things that are not movies, games, comics, and novels, in the merchandise section of there presentation.

[predxeno]

Is that all you have to back your claim that those aren't canon?  They didn't outright say they weren't canon?

[SM]

So the comcis that came with the toys would be canonical by that reading.

Do they go into to detail explaining how the myriad contradicting data can be reconciled?

[predxeno]

So the comcis that came with the toys would be canonical by that reading.

That's the way I see it.  In my world, Apone and Drake are still alive and Bishop has been reworked into a tough Xeno-fighting machine.  I know, my AVP universe is so much fun.

Also, I couldn't find the Alien: Legacy feature on the Anthology features list, KingAngel of the Outergulf.  Did you mean The Alien Saga documentary?

The Alien Anthology list of special features:

Below is an extensive list of what's included in this Blu-ray box set.

Details

DISC ONE: ALIEN
· 1979 Theatrical Version
· 2003 Director's Cut with Ridley Scott Introduction
· Audio Commentary by Director Ridley Scott, Writer Dan O'Bannon, Executive Producer Ronald Shusett, Editor Terry Rawlings, Actors Sigourney Weaver, Tom Skerritt, Veronica Cartwright, Harry Dean Stanton and John Hurt
· Audio Commentary (for Theatrical Cut only) by Ridley Scott
· Final Theatrical Isolated Score by Jerry Goldsmith
· Composer's Original Isolated Score by Jerry Goldsmith
· Deleted and Extended Scenes
· MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream

DISC TWO: ALIENS
· 1986 Theatrical Version
· 1991 Special Edition with James Cameron Introduction
· Audio Commentary by Director James Cameron, Producer Gale Anne Hurd, Alien Effects Creator Stan Winston, Visual Effects Supervisors Robert Skotak and Dennis Skotak, Miniature Effects Supervisor Pat McClung, Actors Michael Biehn, Bill Paxton, Lance Henriksen, Jenette Goldstein, Carrie Henn and Christopher Henn
· Final Theatrical Isolated Score by James Horner
· Composer's Original Isolated Score by James Horner
· Deleted and Extended Scenes
· MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream

DISC THREE: ALIEN3
· 1992 Theatrical Version
· 2003 Special Edition (Restored Workprint Version)
· Audio Commentary by Cinematographer Alex Thomson, B.S.C., Editor Terry Rawlings, Alien Effects Designers Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff, Jr., Visual Effects Producer Richard Edlund, A.S.C., Actors Paul McGann and Lance Henriksen
· Final Theatrical Isolated Score by Elliot Goldenthal
· Deleted and Extended Scenes
· MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream

DISC FOUR: ALIEN RESURRECTION
· 1997 Theatrical Version
· 2003 Special Edition with Jean-Pierre Jeunet Introduction
· Audio Commentary by Director Jean-Pierre Jeunet, Editor Hervé Schneid, A.C.E., Alien Effects Creators Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff, Jr., Visual Effects Supervisor Pitof, Conceptual Artist Sylvain Despretz, Actors Ron Perlman, Dominique Pinon and Leland Orser
· Final Theatrical Isolated Score by John Frizzell
· Deleted and Extended Scenes
· MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream

DISC FIVE: MAKING THE ANTHOLOGY
In addition to over 12 hours of candid, in-depth documentaries, you now have the ability to go even deeper into Alien Anthology history with nearly five hours of additional video Enhancement Pods created exclusively for this collection, presenting behind-the-scenes footage, raw dailies and interview outtakes from all four films. At topical points in the documentaries, you may access these pods to enhance your experience, or watch them on their own from the separate Enhancement Pod index.

The Beast Within: Making ALIEN
o Star Beast: Developing the Story
o The Visualists: Direction and Design
o Truckers in Space: Casting
o Fear of the Unknown: Shepperton Studios, 1978
o The Darkest Reaches: Nostromo and Alien Planet
o The Eighth Passenger: Creature Design
o Future Tense: Editing and Music
o Outward Bound: Visual Effects
o A Nightmare Fulfilled: Reaction to the Film
· Enhancement Pods

Superior Firepower: Making ALIENS
o 57 Years Later: Continuing the Story
o Building Better Worlds: From Concept to Construction
o Preparing for Battle: Casting and Characterization
o This Time It's War: Pinewood Studios, 1985
o The Risk Always Lives: Weapons and Action
o Bug Hunt: Creature Design
o Beauty and the Bitch: Power Loader vs. Queen Alien
o Two Orphans: Sigourney Weaver and Carrie Henn
o The Final Countdown: Music, Editing and Sound
o The Power of Real Tech: Visual Effects
o Aliens Unleashed: Reaction to the Film
· Enhancement Pods

Wreckage and Rage: Making ALIEN3
·
o Development Hell: Concluding the Story
o Tales of the Wooden Planet: Vincent Ward's Vision
o Stasis Interrupted: David Fincher's Vision
o Xeno-Erotic: H.R. Giger's Redesign
o The Color of Blood: Pinewood Studios, 1991
o Adaptive Organism: Creature Design
o The Downward Spiral: Creative Differences
o Where the Sun Burns Cold: Fox Studios, L.A. 1992
o Optical Fury: Visual Effects
o Requiem for a Scream: Music, Editing and Sound
o Post-Mortem: Reaction to the Film
· Enhancement Pods

One Step Beyond: Making ALIEN RESURRECTION
o From the Ashes: Reviving the Story
o French Twist: Direction and Design
o Under the Skin: Casting and Characterization
o Death from Below: Fox Studios, Los Angeles, 1996
o In the Zone: The Basketball Scene
o Unnatural Mutation: Creature Design
o Genetic Composition: Music
o Virtual Aliens: Computer Generated Imagery
o A Matter of Scale: Miniature Photography
o Critical Juncture: Reaction to the Film
· Enhancement Pods

· MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience to Access and Control Enhancement Pods

DISC SIX: THE ANTHOLOGY ARCHIVES
ALIEN
· Pre-Production
o First Draft Screenplay by Dan O'Bannon
o Ridleygrams: Original Thumbnails and Notes
o Storyboard Archive
o The Art of Alien: Conceptual Art Portfolio
o Sigourney Weaver Screen Tests with Select Director Commentary
o Cast Portrait Gallery
· Production
o The Chestbuster: Multi-Angle Sequence with Commentary
o Video Graphics Gallery
o Production Image Galleries
o Continuity Polaroids
o The Sets of Alien
o H.R. Giger's Workshop Gallery
· Post-Production and Aftermath
o Additional Deleted Scenes
o Image & Poster Galleries
· Experience in Terror
· Special Collector's Edition LaserDisc Archive
· The Alien Legacy
· American Cinematheque: Ridley Scott Q&A
· Trailers & TV Spots

ALIENS
· Pre-Production
o Original Treatment by James Cameron
o Pre-Visualizations: Multi-Angle Videomatics with Commentary
o Storyboard Archive
o The Art of Aliens: Image Galleries
o Cast Portrait Gallery
· Production
o Production Image Galleries
o Continuity Polaroids
o Weapons and Vehicles
o Stan Winston's Workshop
o Colonial Marine Helmet Cameras
o Video Graphics Gallery
o Weyland-Yutani Inquest: Nostromo Dossiers
· Post-Production and Aftermath
o Deleted Scene: Burke Cocooned
o Deleted Scene Montage
o Image Galleries
o Special Collector's Edition LaserDisc Archive
o Main Title Exploration
o Aliens: Ride at the Speed of Fright
o Trailers & TV Spots

ALIEN3
· Pre-Production
o Storyboard Archive
o The Art of Arceon
o The Art of Fiorina
· Production
o Furnace Construction: Time-Lapse Sequence
o EEV Bioscan: Multi-Angle Vignette with Commentary
o Production Image Galleries
o A.D.I.'s Workshop
· Post-Production and Aftermath
o Visual Effects Gallery
o Special Shoot: Promotional Photo Archive
· Alien3 Advance Featurette
· The Making of Alien3 Promotional Featurette
· Trailers & TV Spots

ALIEN RESURRECTION
· Pre-Production
o First Draft Screenplay by Joss Whedon
o Test Footage: A.D.I. Creature Shop with Commentary
o Test Footage: Costumes, Hair and Makeup
o Pre-Visualizations: Multi-Angle Rehearsals
o Storyboard Archive
o The Marc Caro Portfolio: Character Designs
o The Art of Resurrection: Image Galleries
· Production
o Production Image Galleries
o A.D.I.'s Workshop
· Post-Production and Aftermath
o Visual Effects Gallery
o Special Shoot: Promotional Photo Archive
· HBO First Look: The Making of Alien Resurrection
· Alien Resurrection Promotional Featurette
· Trailers & TV Spots

ANTHOLOGY
· Two Versions of Alien Evolution
· The Alien Saga
· Patches and Logos Gallery
· Aliens 3D Attraction Scripts and Gallery
· Aliens in the Basement: The Bob Burns Collection
· Parodies
· Dark Horse Cover Gallery
· Patches and Logos Gallery
· MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience

[Ghostface]

I remember those Kenner figures. Loved them as a kid and I really loved their comics too. From memory, they go on a massive adventure from location to location wiping out aliens of different breeds and variations. LV-426 was the squad's first encounter with the xeno and Ripley, and the majority of them died there so I think it's pretty safe to say that the Kenner figures and their accompanying comics are not canon, just nice kids toys.

[predxeno]

They resurrected Apone by giving him some sorta metal attachment to his arm.

[SM]

They'd need a metal attachment for his chest.  And a metal - well everything - for Drake.  And some way of reconstituting a vapourised atomic structure.

The Alien Legacy is listed under Disc 6.

I'd check it myself but my BRs are some distance away presently.

Either way it's not going to explain how everything can fit into a single continuity. So it's not like your out of a job or anything. 

[predxeno]

Either way it's not going to explain how everything can fit into a single continuity. So it's not like your out of a job or anything. 

I assume you mean "can't fit," but I take your point.

[Ghostface]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUJXr2CUTmY#

Do we consider the toy commercials canon too? How did Apone survive teh acid spew from teh gorilla alien?

[predxeno]

Actually, I draw the line against commercials.  Those are obviously kids playing with those figures so they are at best events that occur in the kids' imagination.

[SM]

Either way it's not going to explain how everything can fit into a single continuity. So it's not like your out of a job or anything. 

I assume you mean "can't fit," but I take your point.

Nah, that'd be a double negative.