I live in the UK, so i remember being really pssd that the US was getting the film in august and we in the UK had to wait until October. I also remember first hearing about the pg-13 rating. I was in a whsmiths (bookstore) and reading an issue of Empire film magazine which had an article on it...i was baffled....we have an intersteller r@pist and a sadistic alien hunter in one movie and it was gna be pg-13??????? However this still couldnt qwell my enthusiasm for the project.
Once it was released in the US, i just couldnt wait anymore and 'obtained' a copy to watch. I remember while i was watching the first 20 or so minutes i couldnt believe i was watching an Alien vs predator movie. Its almost as if it wasnt real and so i really couldnt take in what i was seeing. I guess because of that i will always have a soft spot for the film as it was more of an event for me after waiting 14 years for it to be made (ever since Predator 2).
I guess my most vivid memory of the film was my mate telling me before i saw it that it was worse then alien ressurection which made me feel like crap. Then after i watched it, for some reason i was really entertained by it and some what relieved that in my opinion, it was better then Ressurection simply because the tone was more inline with an Alien film then Ressurection was. I then came to this site to read everyones comments but to my surprise it was closed down with one final message from Darkness regarding the quality of the film. Thank god the site came back :)
What are your memories?
Well I had considered the ALIEN saga to be "old hat" long before AVP 2004 came out and my interest was restricted to ALIEN/PREDATOR video games.
I first became aware of AVP the movie when reading a "your guide to coolness 2004" pamphlet that came with a UK Men's Magazine (don't ask) that said an AVP movie was in the works (nostalgic excitement) however not to get my hopes up as the Director was Paul W S Anderson (Mortal Kombat/Event Horizon).
From that information I could tell how the film was going to pan out. My main dread was learning about the modern day earth setting.
As for the PG-13 certificate I wasn't surprised in the slightest coming from a Director who made a PG-13 Mortal Kombat movie when it should've been an 18/R rated production- given my untainted expectations as a lover of 18 rated films.
A move which meant I initially boycotted the Mortal Kombat years after its release.
Given AVP was creature on creature violence I could see why the censors were fairly forgiving during the impalement/headbite scenes but thought the creature on human attacks were lame. When a series like Jurassic Park upstages a Xenomorph/Predator film in terms of horror you know there's a problem. AVP was like Jelly/Ice Cream in terms of.......whereas at least Jurrasic Park was scary, tense and thrilling).
Afterwards I thought "Better than ALIEN- Resurrection, I am very entertained to the point of liking the movie".
But like the consumption of a McDonalds once the good feeling wares off you feel "not full" and wanting something longer lasting like a gourment steak and chips with Coke.
Didn't even know this was in the works till a week before release. Saw it opening night and it was fun. Everyone laughed when the queen fell into the house.
First time I saw AVP was back in 2008 when it was on tv, didn't really think much about it because I wasn't an Alien/Predator fan back then.
Well, I was about 13 when I first seen it, and I was with my two cousins who were big fans of Predator. And, well, I really loved it. I thought it was the shit...and then I got older, and I only just like it now. :D
I don't even remember, I was maybe 14 - 16. It wasn't anything special from what I remember, on a shity dvd I think. :laugh:
I think I might have seen it twice opening day. I went once with a friend, the earliest showing, and my initial reaction was that it sucked. I wasn't "devastated", but I was disappointed, and I recall thinking it was cheesy and the Predator designs looked awful. Then later that night, I was hanging out with my little brother at Perkins, who was around 12 at the time, and two girls from my graduating class, and for some reason they wanted to see it. I didn't discourage it because I thought maybe upon a second viewing I'd warm up to it. It was nearly sold out. As the movie was going on, the girls were cracking dumb jokes at how bad the movie was, as well as a couple guys sitting behind us. That would have been fine, but I was actually getting pretty offended because my little brother was VERY into the movie. He loved it. Seeing Predators and Aliens together, fighting, was insanely cool, and I didn't want these dicks taking that experience away from him. It was so innocent and they were honestly ruining it. Fortunately, when the movie was over, and everyone else was walking out saying the movie sucked, he was like, "That was so cool! Do you think well see the Predator Alien in the next one?! I bet the Predator Alien is gonna be the main bad guy! The Predators were awesome! Did you like the Predators or Aliens better?!" I was pretty happy about that.
To this day, do I like the movie? Not really. But i'm glad they made it, because my brother loved it, and it was a good experience taking him. I wish people would get their head out of their asses and stop thinking that just because you think a movie sucks, doesn't mean everyone else has to.
i was about 13 when i first saw it, i think. my dad rented it, and i saw it with my brother and my dad. i was young enough to think it was kind of scary. and i was young enough to think it was 18+ (omg, its blood! :o) and i was young enough to believe it was the greatest movie ever.
It still has a special place in my heart tho.
I first watched it on tv in 2010, in fact, besides the AVP3 game, the film helped me get into the Alien and Predator films more. I thought it was good the first time I watched it, to this day, I will say that it's not a bad movie. It does have some redeeming qualities. The production is good, the sets are nice, the costumes are good and effective use of CGI. This is my own opinion, yours may not be the same.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 27, 2012, 06:41:11 PM
I first watched it on tv in 2010, in fact, besides the AVP3 game, the film helped me get into the Alien and Predator films more. I thought it was good the first time I watched it, to this day, I will say that it's not a bad movie. It does have some redeeming qualities. The production is good, the sets are nice, the costumes are good and effective use of CGI. This is my own opinion, yours may not be the same.
mine IS the same. also, the action was really well directed.
The action wasen't bad but could've been better.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 27, 2012, 07:40:34 PM
The action wasen't bad but could've been better.
i know it wasnt the best, but what would you improve?
I would have liked to have some blood in the clashes, especially with Celtic against Grid. Grid was clawing and biting Celtic and didn't even show signs of marks or blood. I wish the Predator used more weapons in the fight and the Aliens to do more pouncing and tackling.
Boredom. There wasn't a moment in the movie where I felt any sense of awe when watching it. Well, I'll take that back the part where Scar jumps in the air and stabs the queen in the crown was cool but it was just a little to late. And I just groaned at the ending. One of the worse film going experiences of my life.
sounds to me like you havent watched many bad movies.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 29, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
sounds to me like you havent watched many bad movies.
There's been others for sure but after waiting for 14 years for a movie that I'd been dreaming about since I was in middle school. It was a crusher.
The film was disappointing because it was all so hokey. Lance Henrikson was enjoyable to watch, though. And I also like the scene in the vents when the alien killed some guy and you see his legs kicking in the air, that was cool.
That was Miller being taken to be face-hugged.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 30, 2012, 09:24:57 AM
That was Miller being taken to be face-hugged.
Ah, I see. I guess that shows how well I remember the characters, then.
Believe me, I have a hard time as well.
whaat, if there was one thing AVP had, it was memorable characters, maybe you guys wearent listening very much?
No, they weren't. They were all stupid.
of course they were! but they were memorable.
Not really. I remember Lex and the Italian guy (Sebastian, I think), the short haired chick and the guy with the glasses because of the cool facehugger scene, and obviously Charles Bishop Weyland. I don't really remember much else about anyone, and even then, I think I only remember most of these characters because I'm such a big fan of the movies that proceeded it (and don't get me wrong, I really liked the first AVP).
When I think memorable characters in the A/P films, I think of Alien, Aliens, Predator, and Prometheus (if only for Shaw and David).
but graeme miller?
I remember Alexa, Sebastian, Maxwell, Weyland, Quinn, Verheiden, Miller, Rousseau and Thomas. Then that guy who falls as the pyramid shifts, cries for help at Verheiden and Verheiden just watches. Must be some psycho thing going on here.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 30, 2012, 05:52:30 PM
of course they were! but they were memorable.
No, they weren't man. When you can't name of the one of the main characters after the movie then the characters aren't memorable. They only reason I remember Miller is because you just mentioned him. I usually just call him the guy from Trainspotting. But also I don't watch the movie a lot so that makes a difference to I guess. I haven't watched the first AvP in like 5 years.
The only one I can say I can remember is Weyland but that's easy because it's Lance Henriksen.
AVP was my first exposure to either franchise so I thought it was awesome at the time, but I distinctly remember thinking how awesome the Predators were and wanting to know more.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 30, 2012, 05:52:30 PMof course they were! but they were memorable.
They were anything but memorable... They were cookie-cutter generic in the extreme.
The only one to stand out at all was Weyland, along with perhaps Verheiden in the Unrated Edition.
As for my first memory of watching it, it was much like
Prometheus - massively hyped beforehand, utterly gutted afterwards.
Disappointing and soul-crushing for 12 year old me back in 2004. An 80 minute movie with no character development, a weak story and barely any fights?
Thank goodness this franchise is back in Scott's hands. We've needed him.
I saw a cam rip of it because it didn't release here for awhile. I later saw it in the cinemas (though I was unenthusiastic at the time). I think there were too high expectations. It's an enjoyable movie, though. Some of the sequences like the Queen waking up and the flashback to ancient times are really well done.
When I first saw the movie it was with a friend on opening day. I talked him into coming an hour early because I was sure it would be a huge turnout and seats would fill up. We ended up standing there with nobody else coming by, and us sitting on a very sparse theater during watching. I felt bad for having him come after.
I saw it and got an epileptic attack before the ending,
and got back in the theatre to see the snow and the credits started to roll LoL
I think I may have seen it on dodgy DVD before it came out in the cinema. Back in the day when we used to sly them into each others bags at school. I still went to see it at the cinema though. Twice (I got a free ticket with an Aliens/Predator boxset they released around the time and I think it was one of the first films I went to see on my own). I think the first time in cinema was with my Dad. I'd been to the local comic shop and got the McFarlane's Movie Maniacs Hicks and Dark Horse's Thrill of the Hunt. I wanted to love it. I really did. I didn't hate it but it wasn't exactly the thrill ride I'd hoped for.
Just rewatched it thanks to curiosity/masochism.
Good God this film just gets worse. There's just ... new and exciting layers to discover all the time
The Alien/Predator series is a lot like Frankenstein/The Wolfman (the classic Universal monster series). The first Wolfman and the first two Frankensteins are considered classics. The third Frankenstein, Son of Frankenstein, is underrated just like Alien 3. Ghost of Frankenstein (like Alien Resurrection) doesn't get much respect. And then you have Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman/AVP. :laugh:
Didn't a single person get laid once during the entire theatrical run of this movie?
I've kinda wanted to re-watch the first AVP now for the purpose of seeing how bad I really think it is now.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 10, 2016, 12:26:37 PMDidn't a single person get laid once during the entire theatrical run of this movie?
Are you serious?
You can't have that kind of smut in a PG-13 movie.
I got a free ticket from the Predator DVD release and went with my dad. People were laughing/groaning the whole time.
Afterwards, my dad wanted me to give him money back for the ticket he had to buy.
It was bad...very bad. Haven't watched it in the 12 years since. That scene where the Predator gives the heroine the xeno gear and they run off together is tragically burned into my brain.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 10, 2016, 07:31:03 PM
That scene where the Predator gives the heroine the xeno gear and they run off together is tragically burned into my brain.
Don't forget The Sleigh Ride of Friendship.
I remember when I was a kid and it came on tv,my mum was doing something and I went through the channels and the scene came up with the guy stuck on a wall and the facehuggers coming my mum saw it and turned it off but from then i was introduced to the Alien and predator series.
QuoteDon't forget The Sleigh Ride of Friendship.
Lol "The Sleigh Ride of Friendship."
Good thing the acting was superb to make up for it.
From IMDb
Sebastian de Rosa: When I was a kid growing up in Italy, you know what they call a moon that big?
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: What's that?
Sebastian de Rosa: Hunter's moon
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: Hunter's moon.
[pause. They start laughing]
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2016, 08:25:34 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 30, 2012, 05:52:30 PMof course they were! but they were memorable.
They were anything but memorable... They were cookie-cutter generic in the extreme.
The only one to stand out at all was Weyland, along with perhaps Verheiden in the Unrated Edition.
As for my first memory of watching it, it was much like Prometheus - massively hyped beforehand, utterly gutted afterwards.
This.
I first watched AVP not long after it was released and while I found it not too bad, it was massively disappointing to say the least.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 10, 2016, 09:57:37 AM
Just rewatched it thanks to curiosity/masochism.
Good God this film just gets worse. There's just ... new and exciting layers to discover all the time
Masochism? :laugh:
Share a layer with us.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 10, 2016, 10:26:04 AM
Ghost of Frankenstein (like Alien Resurrection) doesn't get much respect.
As it should. :laugh:
But honestly I really like those comparisons.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 10, 2016, 12:26:37 PM
Didn't a single person get laid once during the entire theatrical run of this movie?
I did, it being bad made up for most of the excuse..
Quote from: Kaltes on Jul 10, 2016, 07:24:32 PM
I've kinda wanted to re-watch the first AVP now for the purpose of seeing how bad I really think it is now.
Don't watch a movie if you inherently think it is a bad film. If anything just skip to the fight scenes.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 10, 2016, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 10, 2016, 12:26:37 PMDidn't a single person get laid once during the entire theatrical run of this movie?
Are you serious?
You can't have that kind of smut in a PG-13 movie.
Sure you can
Quote from: Kaltes on Jul 10, 2016, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 10, 2016, 07:31:03 PM
That scene where the Predator gives the heroine the xeno gear and they run off together is tragically burned into my brain.
Don't forget The Sleigh Ride of Friendship.
Hahaha, Paul Anderson was a fan of the expanded universe. I remember getting hyped for that and the trailer where you saw the Alien and Predator face off on television. Lance Henrikson was also another piece of good signs to come. I remember playing AvP2 and these custom maps would come out with themes referring the film. Many communal fan websites dedicated to AvP, Alien and Predator littered everywhere. And then the film came out...
I was disappointed... It was fairly short in the middle.. I liked the action sequences however. The pacing and the disregard for dialogue and acting is atrocious however. I remember telling myself how if the film was going to be good they will make an AvP3 game. At the end of that movie I knew that that was going to be imposible.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 10, 2016, 09:41:31 PM
QuoteDon't forget The Sleigh Ride of Friendship.
Lol "The Sleigh Ride of Friendship."
Good thing the acting was superb to make up for it.
From IMDb
Sebastian de Rosa: When I was a kid growing up in Italy, you know what they call a moon that big?
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: What's that?
Sebastian de Rosa: Hunter's moon
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: Hunter's moon.
[pause. They start laughing]
My favourite moment. ;D
"La luna del cacciatore." It sounds like it belongs on a Campbell's Soup tin label, doesn't it.
-Windebieste.
The first time I watched AVP was a Thursday night midnight showing, opening weekend. I went with my brother & 2 friends. I remember not hating it. I think I may have even liked it. I recall posting on these very forums in it's defense that same night. 2-3 days later, & the forum was no longer :'(
The most recent viewing was tonight. It's hard to know where to begin. I don't hate this film. I'm willing to ignore setting it on Earth given it's isolated location. It tried. It tried to be big, & it tried to be epic, but it falls short. More charasmatic characters would have gone a long way towards fixing that. Better dialogue too, no doubt. Lex is perfectly suitable, & I liked Beaker, but everyone else are cardboard cutouts. Well, Lance is great. Lance is always great. Still, when you sign on board for a movie titled Alien vs. Predator, human characters aren't necessarily the focus. They're all canon fodder in the long run.
The Predators: I recall people disliking the ship because it differed in design from those seen in 1 & 2. A silly critism, in my opinion. I liked the alteration to their thermal vision then, & I still like it now. It was due for an upgrade. It got one, & people cried foul. Do I wish the creature designs were better? Yes, I do, but I'm not going to base the quality of the film on it. It's not as if leaner Predators with the ability to fully close their mouths would drastically change the outcome. The biggest issue is how easily 2 out of 3 are dispatched, & I know it's an issue shared by many. I loved the reveal, but ideally, I'd have 2 more Xeno's join the fight against Celtic, giving him a brief moment of badassery before biting it. Scar is decent.
The Aliens: They don't look good, but the coat of black paint offers an improvement over their appearance in Resurrection, at least to my eyes. I like Grid. I like that they gave us a single Alien to follow. The queen was gorgeous, & bad ass. I love the scene of her instructing Grid & co to release her. Much has been made of the quickened life cycle; again, I'll give it to them. Do you want to spend more time with nondescript characters putzing around a pyramid? If the quickest route to making the title card happen is instant Alien, I'll take instant Alien.
The back story is silly, there's no getting around it. Predators help humans build pyramids & in return are whorship them as gods, occassionally offering ourselves up as sacrifice so they can hunt Xenos? Not a good look. My least favorite aspect of it though is that the Predators within are juveniles. I would have prefered making them experts. As in, only they best & most proven hunters get the opportunity to hunt the ultimate prey in the ultimate battleground. I do love that pyramid though. It looks great & provides a wonderful setting. I wish more time had been spent following the characters after they became isolated, allowing a larger sense of dread to build before ultimately falling victim to the Aliens.
And I must say, I adore the opening scene on the satellite, silhouetting the Queen. Just gorgeous. At this point though, I reckon I've written more than anyone will care to read. I believe this film, in this iteration, was made with good intentions. Given the route it took, I don't think that it ever had a chance of being great, but I do believe it came close to giving us a solid AVP film. As Maxwell Smart would say, "missed it by that much." Setting it in space, in the future, doesn't automatically translate into us getting a better film.
Were I to assign a rating, I'd split it right down the middle: 5/10. It pales next to Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Predator & Predator 2. I'd say it's on par with Resurrection. Maybe a touch better, even. It fares much better compared to the films that follow. AvPR was, & remains, a complete disgrace. Predators isn't good. I don't know if that's a popular opinion here or not, but it's instantly forgettable. Prometheus is better, but seems to be equally as divisive. So, to recap, it's not good, but it's not bad either. Thank you for your time.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jul 27, 2016, 05:38:53 AM
The Predators: I recall people disliking the ship because it differed in design from those seen in 1 & 2. A silly critism, in my opinion. I liked the alteration to their thermal vision then, & I still like it now. It was due for an upgrade. It got one, & people cried foul. Do I wish the creature designs were better? Yes, I do, but I'm not going to base the quality of the film on it. It's not as if leaner Predators with the ability to fully close their mouths would drastically change the outcome. The biggest issue is how easily 2 out of 3 are dispatched, & I know it's an issue shared by many. I loved the reveal, but ideally, I'd have 2 more Xeno's join the fight against Celtic, giving him a brief moment of badassery before biting it. Scar is decent.
Honestly I wish they'd kept Celtic alive instead of Scar.
Or at least swapped the mask design around. It would have been interesting to see the main Predator with a more distinctively different design.
^Scar's mask design suits the character, though.
God this is awesome flick, I'm watching it right now. I wish we got a prequel or proper sequel to this instead of AVPR.
It's not as if the Predators had defining character traits beyond their masks.
From what I can recall, I was high as a kite in the atmosphere, so my memory is very hazy about that opening night.
All I can remember is when The Predator gave whats-her-face a Alien shield and spear, someone in the audience said (out loud):
"Oh f**k no!" . You said it all, mysterious movie patron :P
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 30, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
All I can remember is when The Predator gave whats-her-face a Alien shield and spear, someone in the audience said (out loud):
"Oh f**k no!" . You said it all, mysterious movie patron :P
Perfect. :laugh:
I honestly can't remember seeing this for the first time. It was on DVD I'm sure. I was so uninterested. Even when I was a teenager (I was 15 when this movie came out) I felt it was for younger audiences. But then I'd been watching the originals and all those 80's sci-fi/horror movies (from Predator to ANOES) as a five year old. AVP was really a regression.
Last time I watched it was maybe five years ago with a friend while I was at uni. All I remember are the credits rolling.
My 12 year old self was thoroughly disappointed. By the time the CGI helicopter showed up, my stomach was knotted up and my vision was blurry, because I was certain I was witnessing the death of both franchises, and I had been waiting for this film since I was 4. For some reason, I knew I was in for something terrible when that white van pulled up to the gate. Something about that shot. I was so excited and even at that age, could ascertain what a shit movie was.
80 minutes, PG13, poor characters and story, poor creature design, no thematic subtext, no A-list talent in front of or behind the camera.
I'll tell you what. I never thought my favorite franchise would get such a holy renaissance. As a kid, I always thought that was reserved for the "popular", "legitimate" franchises that left me cold and uninterested. But not today. Today is my day. Today, Sir Ridley Scott is back. He came back not to do one but four more! Amazing. I feel blessed.
Dreams do come true. But I digress. AvP broke my heart. Fin.
You must have been a very sophisticated 12 year old. When I was 12, I would have been like "cool a spaceship!". :laugh:
I disagree with the ppl who say AvP is better than AvP-R
Both are about just as bad...albeit in different ways
I watched AVP at a cinema. It was good to see Lance Henriksen again. And I enjoyed the actions and seeing the xenomorphs and the predators in the same movie. They didn't frighten me, though. I had watched all the Alien and Predator movies that were already made by then. So I became desensitized. The latest Predators didn't scare me either.
Rented it at the local video rent. I had been psyched to see it but my mother insisted that we see ALIEN and ALIENS first, and so we did, and I obviously wanted more; I loved watching it and rewinded the key creature stuff several times over. Kept the damn DVD for a week with a rent that ended up costing something like a dozen euros
I was the literal embodiment of "cannot wait", I would go home every day and go on the official website scrounging for new information or clues on the movie. I had a dial up connection so it was hours of time wasted loading trailers etc. I was geeking out big time.
Movie finally comes around and I'm telling my friends how good these two franchises are and how the predators are these unstoppable space warriors... we go to a movie marathon and get all dressed up and we're trying to pick up chicks etc... it was really an event film for me, memorable kind of night, after one alien kills two predators my friends just looked at me and were like LOL.... after the movie they refused to talk about it, all they said was "that was ****ing ****" and I remember feeling huge frustration at the lofty height I had generated come crashing down.
The next movie was 'walking tall' and after that we just lost interest in the 3rd movie that night and chased girls around lol
Never had a problem with the alien killing 2 preds, just shouldn't have been in the same scene.
When I saw the trailer and I read who was directing I knew it wasn't going to be any good. I waited until it was out on video and when I watched it was I vindicated because it was indeed rubbish.
The worst thing AvP does is turn both franchises into a low budget looking monster mash with bad acting, writing, cheap looking effects, & bad designs for both preds and aliens. At the time I felt there was nothing special left in either franchise and that AvP and AvP2 would be the last 2 nails in the coffin.
I remember that my brother brought the movie from the video store saying that the film was not very good, because he had already seen it in the cinema and had some bad special effects. I was very disappointed with what he said, and when I saw the movie I was left with my mouth open with how impressive were the fights and effects in general. I loved it then, when I was 11, and I still like it now.
The effects are actually pretty good, even now. I certainly wouldn't list them among the film's faults.
Yeah except for the rubbery suits and plastic looking armor, also the facehugger masks terrible, cheatbursting scene was the worst on screen aside from maybe the oxburster. Don't even get me started on the pred faces. I am wrong though, I actually did like the predator armor design, it just looked like plastic.
It looked cheap to me.
Some of the designs were naff, but I didn't think the technical side of the effects work was bad at all. Especially given that they did it all on a tight budget.
The Chestburster looked fine. The fact the sequence was virtually bloodless was a joke, but the actual puppet looked pretty good. Saying it's "the worst on screen aside from maybe the oxburster" is just daft, because at the very least it looked leagues better than the tooth penis ones in Resurrection.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2016, 03:44:04 PM
Some of the designs were naff, but I didn't think the technical side of the effects work was bad at all. Especially given that they did it all on a tight budget.
The Chestburster looked fine. The fact the sequence was virtually bloodless was a joke, but the actual puppet looked pretty good. Saying it's "the worst on screen aside from maybe the oxburster" is just daft, because at the very least it looked leagues better than the tooth penis ones in Resurrection.
I thought they used the same chestburster model in both films?
If i remember correctly, its the same method they used on the oxburster, just a static puppet on the end of a stick.
not a good qaulity clip, but it showcases the bad facehugger mask effect and the quickshot of the chestburster looking like a toy.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xalQ7IyWi8E)
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 17, 2016, 03:54:12 PMIf i remember correctly, its the same method they used on the oxburster, just a static puppet on the end of a stick.
You mean the
exact method they used in the very first film?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2016, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 17, 2016, 03:54:12 PMIf i remember correctly, its the same method they used on the oxburster, just a static puppet on the end of a stick.
You mean the exact method they used in the very first film?
You mean a film made 37 years ago when that technique was new but still flawed? I also believe they used or immediately switched to a rod puppet that was articulated. Multiple effects and editing were used to achieve a believable event. Its also insane that it was done better almost 40 years ago.
Oxburster and that avp burster in that clip appear to be static and not alive looking at all. It looks exactly like what it is.
Quote from: Kaltes on Jul 10, 2016, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 10, 2016, 07:31:03 PM
That scene where the Predator gives the heroine the xeno gear and they run off together is tragically burned into my brain.
Don't forget The Sleigh Ride of Friendship.
That is single handily the greatest thing that has ever been said for this movie ever.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2016, 10:22:55 AM
The effects are actually pretty good, even now. I certainly wouldn't list them among the film's faults.
Completely agree with you. What happens is that at that time my brother wanted more CGI, being the novelty. I remember that I had said that it was very noticeable that the Aliens and Predators were people in disguise. I do not know, maybe he does not value the practical special effects.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2016, 03:44:04 PM
Some of the designs were naff, but I didn't think the technical side of the effects work was bad at all. Especially given that they did it all on a tight budget.
The Chestburster looked fine. The fact the sequence was virtually bloodless was a joke, but the actual puppet looked pretty good. Saying it's "the worst on screen aside from maybe the oxburster" is just daft, because at the very least it looked leagues better than the tooth penis ones in Resurrection.
Rousseau's chestburster is the worst one ever committed to film. Sebastian's is the second worst.
I was extremely disappointed by AvP 2004 in the cinema
The unceremonial offing of two preds in the beginning was only one factor
It was mostly the PG-13 feel and cringey dynamic between Lex and Scar...really ruined my experience
The fights sucked as well. The Celtic vs. Grid WWE throwdown was laughable, regardless of who won.
Illogical things, like random items of melting gear, also left me scratching my head
Yeah, I left the theater really pissed off. Also, I didn't know it was PG-13 until I bought my ticket. The movie had a great opening shot and then from there on I was pretty much bored. The fight scene between Celtic and Grid livened things up for a few moments, but after that it was back to more snoozing. The only moment where I really stood up and cheered (not literally) was when Scar jumped through the air and stabbed the Queen through the crown with his spear. Other than that I thought I'd been hit by a train. Also, my hatred for Paul Anderson was born.
I did think it was better than Resurrection and went back to the tone of the earlier Predator and Alien films.
Of course that's all in the past. AvP isn't all that bad and I enjoy it. My hatred for PA is all gone and I really enjoy most of his older movies. I still can't stand RE though. Never saw his take on The Three Musketeers.
So that was my experience.
I had heard nothing good from the reviews and someone gave me a cam copy so rather than go to the cinema, I watched it at home. There was so much wrong with it. Despite the gory horror of the two sources, it was a predictable softcore monster mash. The rules of the Predator were picked up and dropped at will, and the chestbursters became chestnudgers, emerging carefully and relatively blood-free and became fully grown selectable characters in minutes. I just waited for characters to die, and the Queen big fight scene had my eyes rolling. The aliens and the Queen seem to both be more like the Raptors and T-Rex from Jurassic Park.
It ended and I thought "Well, Paul WS Anderson directing, PG-13 rating... What was I expecting?"
Ooooooph. This f**king movie. 12 year old me knew in the theater that I was in deep trouble the moment I saw that car pulling up to the satellite place. I don't know why but I just KNEW. Intuition was telling me that this was very wrong and very bad.
I left the theater dejected and despondent. I had been HAD. They gave me an 80 minute terrible movie. My word.
Alien vs Predator ripped the fanbase apart. I remember AvP Galaxy disbanded such was the negative reaction to the film. I forced myself to love it cause it was the first "Alien" film I saw at the cinema. I knew it was shit really. Everything is lightweight about it apart from the sets which are ok. ADI's creature work is abysmal; the cast and characters are shit and it's as cheesy and ineptly written as f**k.
I can't even remember seeing this movie the first time around. I largely ignored it on release. I had read the AVP comic by Dark Horse in the 90's and, seeing the film was not going to be like that, I just let it pass on by. I saw it later on DVD and it wasn't anything special.
I do remember my brother coming back from seeing AVP:R and telling me it was even worse than the first one. I didn't believe him at all, and even went out and bought the DVD... lesson learned.
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I follow the news for AVP on the news before it was release in 2004. I grew up with the series since the mid 90's and I remember being hype up for the movie. I saw the movie during the summer at my Summer Camp and they would allow PG-13 movies on the field trip if you get a parent signature. So we all agree to see AVP. I like it when I first saw it despite me being really let down inside. The movie got worst with each viewing, but I do think the special effects are good.
Reading this thread, it seems like AVP was the first movie in the series that they saw. Makes me feel a bit old.
Laying on my bed at camp with a laptop on my chest watching a pirated copy of the movie. I remember I was less cultured back then and enjoyed the film. Can't watch it now.