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My bad. Didn't know it would be level 1. Anyway, if anyone knows German maybe we can get an idea of what his thoughts/opinions are?
Xenowrestling... "yay" exactly what we missed from AvP 2010 -.-
Bloody hell...
the xenos don't do anything! they drop down and then mill around doing nothing!
...lucky for the marines these xenos don't bleed acid atleast... only green paint -.-
Gah.
Quote from: Enigma on Feb 07, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
Xenowrestling... "yay" exactly what we missed from AvP 2010 -.-
Bloody hell...
the xenos don't do anything! they drop down and then mill around doing nothing!
...lucky for the marines these xenos don't bleed acid atleast... only green paint -.-
Gah.
Maybe it is on easy difficulty.Less aggressive Xenos and no acid damage.
He is playing on Soldier, which I think is normal.
Seems like people got their hands on this early. I'd check YouTube once a day to see if anyone uploaded the campaign. I mean, that is if you want to see some more of it :)
And yeah, solider is like normal.
Quote from: WinterActual on Feb 07, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
He is playing on Soldier, which I think is normal.
Only whimps play on normal thinking the game should be balanced the best on that level. It is NEVER the case. Why do these people never learn? Hey, I have a job too, and a future wife in the making. I still play Halo 4 on Legendary and didn't even think for a milisecond to choose even Heroic.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Feb 07, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: WinterActual on Feb 07, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
He is playing on Soldier, which I think is normal.
Only whimps play on normal thinking the game should be balanced the best on that level. It is NEVER the case. Why do these people never learn? Hey, I have a job too, and a future wife in the making. I still play Halo 4 on Legendary and didn't even think for a milisecond to choose even Heroic.
I play the difficulty under the hardest usually. I hate Legendary mode in any Halo. I did beat Halo 4 on Legendary on my own. Some parts made me want to destroy my expensive television.
I think I will start with the Ultimate Badass Mode right away. The game seems pretty easy on the lower diffs.
Hey guys! Guess what! Let's wrestle with a biomechanical chainsaw of rape death! :D
Quote from: WinterActual on Feb 07, 2013, 11:45:58 AM
I think I will start with the Ultimate Badass Mode right away. The game seems pretty easy on the lower diffs.
How many difficulty choices are? Because i remember on AvP back in 99' every dead Xeno sprayed a lot of acid on the hardest setting.
Here,the xeno is wounded,he wrestles with it and not a single damage by acid :(
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Feb 07, 2013, 11:29:01 AM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Feb 07, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: WinterActual on Feb 07, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
He is playing on Soldier, which I think is normal.
Only whimps play on normal thinking the game should be balanced the best on that level. It is NEVER the case. Why do these people never learn? Hey, I have a job too, and a future wife in the making. I still play Halo 4 on Legendary and didn't even think for a milisecond to choose even Heroic.
I play the difficulty under the hardest usually. I hate Legendary mode in any Halo. I did beat Halo 4 on Legendary on my own. Some parts made me want to destroy my expensive television.
Some achievements, like Mortardom or Explore The Floor were a bitch to get, I know. I curse the latter one now :D If there are 4 difficulty levels, then playing the last but one is OK in my books.
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on Feb 07, 2013, 11:53:36 AM
How many difficulty choices are?
4
Easy
Soldier
Hardened
UBA
Quote from: WinterActual on Feb 07, 2013, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on Feb 07, 2013, 11:53:36 AM
How many difficulty choices are?
4
Easy
Soldier
Hardened
UBA
Thank you
Winter.
Well UBA my choice because this seems too easy.Except if the ammo/health packs you find are less on that mode or something.Otherwise it is ridiculous.
Those aliens sometimes act like the worst patch of Dark Horse xenos.
Line up! Just line up so I can shoot you all straight on. Huahahahahaha! :laugh:
just watched the marine playtrough of avp2010 on nightmare and the xenos looked deadly and FAST, but these ones....
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 07, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
just watched the marine playtrough of avp2010 on nightmare and the xenos looked deadly and FAST, but these ones....
It's the first level and it's on normal difficulty, so I'm not sure if that is really a fair comparison. Granted, the limited footage does raise question's concerning xeno AI and tactics, but perhaps more in game footage is needed
i just wish u are right bro
I understand that normal people shouldn't be able to kick a xenomorph off of them (not watching this video, going off the live stream) but these aren't normal people like the crew of the nostromo. Parker was a big guy and he got destroyed when he went fist to cuffs with Kane's son because he tackled it. Winter is reacting defensively and is probably using ALL of his lower body strength to kick the xeno back.
Now I'm not saying we should be able to kill one with melee/ wrestle around with one in game but when you take into account these guys are marines and marines have the best hand to hand combat training around and are in top physical condition, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can kick one off of himself. For the record I'm all for not being able to do this, but at the same time if I was in a similar situation i'd try and kick the aggressor away.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 07, 2013, 03:24:57 PM
I understand that normal people shouldn't be able to kick a xenomorph off of them (not watching this video, going off the live stream) but these aren't normal people like the crew of the nostromo. Parker was a big guy and he got destroyed when he went fist to cuffs with Kane's son because he tackled it. Winter is reacting defensively and is probably using ALL of his lower body strength to kick the xeno back.
Now I'm not saying we should be able to kill one with melee/ wrestle around with one in game but when you take into account these guys are marines and marines have the best hand to hand combat training around and are in top physical condition, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can kick one off of himself. For the record I'm all for not being able to do this, but at the same time if I was in a similar situation i'd try and kick the aggressor away.
It is out of the realm of physical possibility because we witnessed the physical strength of the aliens in all three of the original movies and nobody, not one, ever was able to grapple with the alien and escape if it got ahold of them. Nobody.
Brett
Parker
Lambert
Apone
Dietrich
Wierzbowski
HudsonNewt
Andrews
Kevin
et cetera.
I know German, learned it for 10 years but I couldn't be bothered to watch the video because I don't want any spoilers.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 07, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 07, 2013, 03:24:57 PM
I understand that normal people shouldn't be able to kick a xenomorph off of them (not watching this video, going off the live stream) but these aren't normal people like the crew of the nostromo. Parker was a big guy and he got destroyed when he went fist to cuffs with Kane's son because he tackled it. Winter is reacting defensively and is probably using ALL of his lower body strength to kick the xeno back.
Now I'm not saying we should be able to kill one with melee/ wrestle around with one in game but when you take into account these guys are marines and marines have the best hand to hand combat training around and are in top physical condition, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can kick one off of himself. For the record I'm all for not being able to do this, but at the same time if I was in a similar situation i'd try and kick the aggressor away.
It is out of the realm of physical possibility because we witnessed the physical strength of the aliens in all three of the original movies and nobody, not one, ever was able to grapple with the alien and escape if it got ahold of them. Nobody.
Brett
Parker
Lambert
Apone
Dietrich
Wierzbowski
Hudson
Newt
Andrews
Kevin
et cetera.
If newt was able to grapple with an AlienI'd lose ALL respect for the franchise :D
Brett and Parker weren't trained. Probably not in the same physical condition as a USCM marine.
Apone and Dietrich where lifted upwards where there was no surface to use their strength. Dietrich was also taken by surprise and from behind.
Wierzbowski was taken off screen and was also disoriented by the explosion, the number of Xeno's that grabbed him could also be debated.
Hudson didn't win no, but he did manage to hold on for a short time and that says something considering he was being pulled downwards.
Who is Kevin?... if he's from A3 or resurrection that's why I don't remember him
In the video Winter at least has leverage to use his strength to his advantage.
Hudson held on for absolutely zero time on his own. The alien was taking him into the vent. It was only because Hicks was there to hold onto Hudson. That's two marines to one alien. Aliens have the capacity to bash through metal doors, lift a human being effortlessly into the sealing.
You keep saying Parker wasn't "trained" there is no anti-xenomorph hand-to-hand training in the colonial marine regiment. Parker was a tough cookie, and he was reduced to nothing in seconds. The alien has the advantage in physical strength, always has.
Do you think a human, even a trained marine, could successfully grapple with a lion without at the very least, being seriously hurt? Probaly not. Well, an Alien is even worse.
This all further dilutes the legacy of the original Alien as if it wasn't bad enough that only Aliens is a staple of pop culture and video game references, not Alien at all! And too many games shamelessly base themselves on Aliens, including most Aliens games too.
why does everyone seem to forget vasquez basically wrestled the alien and pinned its head against the wall long enough to shoot it. sounds like wrestling to me and sure looked like it.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 07, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 07, 2013, 03:24:57 PM
I understand that normal people shouldn't be able to kick a xenomorph off of them (not watching this video, going off the live stream) but these aren't normal people like the crew of the nostromo. Parker was a big guy and he got destroyed when he went fist to cuffs with Kane's son because he tackled it. Winter is reacting defensively and is probably using ALL of his lower body strength to kick the xeno back.
Now I'm not saying we should be able to kill one with melee/ wrestle around with one in game but when you take into account these guys are marines and marines have the best hand to hand combat training around and are in top physical condition, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can kick one off of himself. For the record I'm all for not being able to do this, but at the same time if I was in a similar situation i'd try and kick the aggressor away.
It is out of the realm of physical possibility because we witnessed the physical strength of the aliens in all three of the original movies and nobody, not one, ever was able to grapple with the alien and escape if it got ahold of them. Nobody.
Brett
Parker
Lambert
Apone
Dietrich
Wierzbowski
Hudson
Newt
Andrews
Kevin
et cetera.
Be sure to emphasize that the genetically enhanced Ripley clone, and the andriod Call were never shown man-handling a xeno either.
edit- now that i think anout it, wasnt there a scene in Rez where Riley ripped out the inner mouth of a xeno... either way though the above poster is correct about vasquez, unless of course that alien was already injured (seeing as they were firing a lot of rounds down those tunnels)
Xenos can be held off physically under the right circumstances. The inital wrestle with the Lurker isn't completely out of the realm of possibility but is handled very poorly. Vasquez was able to pin a Xeno against a wall using her lower body strength, it is not unreasonable to assume that Winter could at the very least push it away for a second. The Xeno was clearly overpowering Winter, and had it not been for the gun fire, would have made short work of him.
The problem is it is now a common occurance and quick time with each Lurker's pounce apparently. These 'close encounters' should be extremly rare and require a high degree of skill with a good chance of failing... Even with this exceptionally stupid and weak strain of Xenomorphs.
^^^^ thank you , first time i have seen someone acknowledge vasquez pinning the xenon
It isn't the first time. The discussion has been had before.
Vasquez does not count, because the alien did not actually have a grip on Vasquez. It fell on or near her, she pinned it, and immediately shot it. It never got a grip on her. Nobody who has ever actually been grabbed by an alien has gotten away.
Quote from: unwittytitle on Feb 07, 2013, 03:54:13 PM
edit- now that i think anout it, wasnt there a scene in Rez where Riley ripped out the inner mouth of a xeno... either way though the above poster is correct about vasquez, unless of course that alien was already injured (seeing as they were firing a lot of rounds down those tunnels)
She pulls the flaccid tongue out of a xeno corpse. She killed said xeno with a gun.
ok i understand it didnt get its hands on her but she clearly overpowers it and holds it down. can we agree with that ? theres no other explanation for that. If its as powerful as we all think she shouldnt have been to clearly hold it down with one foot,
and power is power , it doesnt matter who gets who first. if im stronger then you , and you grab me first i should easily get out of your grip. and i know its debatable but, it looks like she wrestles with it for a few seconds before pinning it.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 07, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Brett
Parker
Lambert
Apone
Dietrich
Wierzbowski
Hudson
Newt
Andrews
Kevin
et cetera.
Dillon. Thrown on his back and powerless.
This is entirely from my (poor) memory
She did get of a couple of rounds before it landed, it landed more or less head first beside her, not on her and never got a grip on her. She did pin it's head when it tried to get up and then she continued shooting it point blank.
...I don't think we can really compare this with the wrestling that seem to be the new Alien-game-gimmick.
Xenomorph:
* Inhuman strength (not as strong as a marine though)
* Exoskeleton armour (doesn't do against military grade weapons)
* Molecular acid for blood (it's green, must be something like acid, right?)
* Extremly stealthy (running back and forth in front of armed enemies)
* Attacks from where you least expect (drops from the roof and starts running around like a headless chicken instead of attacking)
I really do hope this is just "normal" I'm usually perfectly fine with normal difficulty... but theese xenos are a joke :S
BTW open maw that picture is great of hudson firing that rifle, gets me amped up just lookin at the picture as if im watchin that scene !
Quote from: Doobios on Feb 07, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
ok i understand it didnt get its hands on her but she clearly overpowers it and holds it down. can we agree with that ? theres no other explanation for that. If its as powerful as we all think she shouldnt have been to clearly hold it down with one foot,
and power is power , it doesnt matter who gets who first. if im stronger then you , and you grab me first i should easily get out of your grip. and i know its debatable but, it looks like she wrestles with it for a few seconds before pinning it.
Jenette...is it you?
now she was able to pin it because she shot it with her pistol ? now that pistol hurts that from that range ? when we clearly see gormans bullets bounce off of another one? the pistol seems to only cause damage when the gun is actually pressed against the xeno . and to say that its not as powerful because of a few pistol rounds , then you are going against what you are saying and how powerful they are, because a human being can take pistol rounds and still continue going forward in an adrenaline rush etc. so to say a xeno is real weak from a pistol is actually taking away from the xeno resilience . and strength
Quote from: Doobios on Feb 07, 2013, 04:43:35 PM
now she was able to pin it because she shot it with her pistol ? now that pistol hurts that from that range ? when we clearly see gormans bullets bounce off of another one? the pistol seems to only cause damage when the gun is actually pressed against the xeno . and to say that its not as powerful because of a few pistol rounds , then you are going against what you are saying and how powerful they are, because a human being can take pistol rounds and still continue going forward in an adrenaline rush etc. so to say a xeno is real weak from a pistol is actually taking away from the xeno resilience . and strength
It's true, a human can continue to go even after taking several rounds.
Not several right into the temple, though, and by the way... The alien does continue to move even after it gets away from her gun.
Quote from: Doobios on Feb 07, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
BTW open maw that picture is great of hudson firing that rifle, gets me amped up just lookin at the picture as if im watchin that scene !
Thank you sir. Hudson's last stand is such an awesome sequence. :laugh:
I have one more point I would like to throw out there . IF she did hit the xeno with a few rounds before the wrestling match, where was the acid ? she was so close and it was above her, she CLEARLY would have gotten hit with acid without a doubt , thats not debatable .
haha not jenette , just used to watch aliens at least 4 times a week from the ages 5 - 10 haha.
Quote from: Doobios on Feb 07, 2013, 04:43:35 PM
now she was able to pin it because she shot it with her pistol ? now that pistol hurts that from that range ? when we clearly see gormans bullets bounce off of another one? the pistol seems to only cause damage when the gun is actually pressed against the xeno . and to say that its not as powerful because of a few pistol rounds , then you are going against what you are saying and how powerful they are, because a human being can take pistol rounds and still continue going forward in an adrenaline rush etc. so to say a xeno is real weak from a pistol is actually taking away from the xeno resilience . and strength
Come on...admit it...it IS you,isn't it? loved you on T2 :laugh:
yes after it takes it to the temple it is clearly just about finished, im talking before she hits it in the temple , when shes wrestling it. it clearly isnt damaged before the wrestling match because acid would be burning through her skull or chest.
The xeno came climbing from above, I do belive getting fired upon can throw of the aim of an alien, yes. Gormans shots hit the armoured parts of the head, Vasquez did'nt (when she pinned it).
Also she pinned the xeno while it was rising, she didn't push it down, she didn't lift it, she didn't throw it away and she never carried it's weight. it was an alien that in the last 3 seconds had ben fire upon multiple times, having crashed into the floor of an airduct from some height and then goten a boot to the head... and fired upon some more...
not an unhurt xeno pouncing at a marine who's probably never even seen a xeno before... I still don't think we can use vasquez as an example here, no mather how awesome she is
---<Edit>---
About the first shots and the acid: she probably didn't hit anything but the armoured parts. Now that probably still hurt a bit, it just didn't open up any wounds
it is a great sequence, Im still mad because hudson could have gotten out of that situation ! when hes firing down on the xeno it should have been hit at such close range ! hudson should have lived !!!!! haha
well since we cant all agree on this, can we agree that its one of the most badass scenes in a movie ?!
Quote from: Doobios on Feb 07, 2013, 04:50:29 PM
it is a great sequence, Im still mad because hudson could have gotten out of that situation ! when hes firing down on the xeno it should have been hit at such close range ! hudson should have lived !!!!! haha
He was wayyy too panicked. I also think he ran out of ammo.
Quote from: Enigma on Feb 07, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
About the first shots and the acid: she probably didn't hit anything but the armoured parts. Now that probably still hurt a bit, it just didn't open up any wounds
The exact sequence of events.
She sees the alien falling. Fires a couple inaccurate shots. The alien falls basically to her side/between her legs, upside down. It flails trying to get a grip on her. While it's disoriented, she shoves the creatures head to the wall, and fires off a bunch of shots right into it's head. Acid splashes on her leg/thigh/foot. She screams, let's up on the creature, it flops around, presumably in it's death throws.
So you'll note, that it relies on two fundamental things. The alien being off balance/disoriented, and the alien not having any kind of a grip on her. Every other time we could use an example for the alien strength versus a persons, the alien always has a grip on the victim. The fact that the warrior that attacked Dietrich could grab her, and carry her up without any sign of effort, is indicative of just how much raw strength these creatures have.
Let's also not forget the alien that tries to get into the APC. You have two people trying to close the door versus one alien who's trying to open it. The alien is at the very least, at a stalemate.
Quote from: Enigma on Feb 07, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
not an unhurt xeno pouncing at a marine who's probably never even seen a xeno before... I still don't think we can use vasquez as an example here, no mather how awesome she is
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good point made sir , good point .
A fine nerd breakdown going on in here. :laugh: I thought I was on to something by comparing Vasquez's Smith & Wesson Model 39 with Gorman's VP-70, but they both fire 9mm rounds.
If weak nuts Gorman had a real VP-70, he would've had 18 round mags with a 3-round burst capacity. I think he may have been able to fight his way back to Hicks were that the case.
Then the explosion never wouldve happened.
No Newt falling down the vent...
No hive journey, queen battle, .....
........ no Alien 3!
... It's all f**king GORMANS FAULT for not using 3-round burst!
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 07, 2013, 04:37:32 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 07, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Brett
Parker
Lambert
Apone
Dietrich
Wierzbowski
Hudson
Newt
Andrews
Kevin
et cetera.
Dillon. Thrown on his back and powerless.
You can add all the prisoners to that list. They may not be trained Marines but they are a bunch of viscious murderers.
I would like to see a WY merc from Alien 3 ending fighting a xeno :laugh:
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 07, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
Hudson held on for absolutely zero time on his own. The alien was taking him into the vent. It was only because Hicks was there to hold onto Hudson. That's two marines to one alien. Aliens have the capacity to bash through metal doors, lift a human being effortlessly into the sealing.
You keep saying Parker wasn't "trained" there is no anti-xenomorph hand-to-hand training in the colonial marine regiment. Parker was a tough cookie, and he was reduced to nothing in seconds. The alien has the advantage in physical strength, always has.
Do you think a human, even a trained marine, could successfully grapple with a lion without at the very least, being seriously hurt? Probaly not. Well, an Alien is even worse.
I never said Winter shouldn't be hurt by it. I said it was a possibility. Winter should have been hurt in some way.
TRaining may not be important but you cant say it doesn't factor in. I'm not saying its easy to do what Winter did or you wont get harmed. I'm saying that i can believe that specific situation that I saw where Winter booted the alien off of him, if no other reason than for gameplay at the very least I'll continue to believe it
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 07, 2013, 09:05:12 PM
I never said Winter shouldn't be hurt by it.
Which you aren't.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 07, 2013, 09:05:12 PM
if no other reason than for gameplay at the very least I'll continue to believe it
Yeah, it's a gameplay mechanic that shouldn't be there in the first place. It kills tension.
Quite dumb that the Xenos decide to do nothing with their tail whatsoever when you get into a "wrestling" match with them. Considering, you know, it's a perfectly good killing weapon.
I really wish this wrestling nonsense was never introduced in an Alien game...ever.
I'm afraid this game is gonna turn out to be a TOTAL DISGRACE which will make me regret spend almost $60 on it...Instead of buying something extra for me and my fiancee anniversary (not of engagement but of being gf and bf together) or Valentine's Day...
Quote from: Slaine on Feb 07, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
Quite dumb that the Xenos decide to do nothing with their tail whatsoever when you get into a "wrestling" match with them. Considering, you know, it's a perfectly good killing weapon.
I really wish this wrestling nonsense was never introduced in an Alien game...ever.
This can't be said enough.
Vasquez had physics on her side. She was braced against the inside of a cramped vent and could apply maximum force against the Alien. If the same thing had happened in a larger corridor - she woulda been dead in a second.
Three marines with superior leverage were unable to close a sliding door against one Alien without shooting its head off.
I'm gonna just jump in here and say this, but I'm sure most of you know this - If the games made the Xeno's as powerful, and fierce as some of you want them, you would constantly die, die, die, die, die.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:24:26 PM
I'm gonna just jump in here and say this, but I'm sure most of you know this - If the games made the Xeno's as powerful, and fierce as some of you want them, you would constantly die, die, die, die, die.
Oh please. That is such innate hyperbole.
AVP 99 got the aliens pretty much spot on. It was a freaking adrenaline rush. They STILL pose a challenge even all these years later.
The same can be said of Alien Resurrection on the Playstation.
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2013, 10:08:02 PM
Vasquez had physics on her side. She was braced against the inside of a cramped vent and could apply maximum force against the Alien. If the same thing had happened in a larger corridor - she woulda been dead in a second.
Three marines with superior leverage were unable to close a sliding door against one Alien without shooting its head off.
I think you should do a public service and make this your signature for a few days.
Quoteyou would constantly die, die, die, die, die.
I'd be perfectly happy if that was the case. That is why I love Xenomorph creature so much, because it offers such a fantastic challenge for you as a player. One that has never been properly capitalized on.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 07, 2013, 11:26:33 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:24:26 PM
I'm gonna just jump in here and say this, but I'm sure most of you know this - If the games made the Xeno's as powerful, and fierce as some of you want them, you would constantly die, die, die, die, die.
Oh please. That is such innate hyperbole. AVP 99 got the aliens pretty much spot on. It was a freaking adrenaline rush. They STILL pose a challenge even all these years later.
The same can be said of Alien Resurrection on the Playstation.
I wasn't intentionally exaggerating. I've never played A:R, but if AVP2's Alien's are even close to AVP1's, they were tough, but not like they should be.
Put away your hate for this game and think about the creature you're going up against. If they made them as realistically(in the Alien universe, I mean) the game wouldn't be entertaining, hell you wouldn't even be able to get past the lurker alien on the very first mission.
Quotehell you wouldn't even be able to get past the lurker alien on the very first mission.
Ripley did. :P
While a hardcore experience would have a very decreased market demographic, it is still viable and proven successful by a handful of games. I feel most of us would probably appreciate it more.
Quote from: PLEXI on Feb 07, 2013, 11:35:33 PM
Quotehell you wouldn't even be able to get past the lurker alien on the very first mission.
Ripley did. :P
While a hardcore experience would have a very decreased market demographic, it is still viable and proven successful by a handful of games. I feel most of us would probably appreciate it more.
Well....true, but lets use the game situation we've seen. :laugh:
It wouldn't just be hard...it would be impossible.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:31:54 PM
I wasn't intentionally exaggerating. I've never played A:R, but if AVP2's Alien's are even close to AVP1's, they were tough, but not like they should be.
What are you talking about? The Aliens in AVP 2 are incredibly easy to defeat. Their acid blood is practically non-existent. They're really fast, sure, but all you have to do is fire a burst of pulse rifle fire or a shotgun blast at them, and they go down!
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:31:54 PM
Put away your hate for this game and think about the creature you're going up against. If they made them as realistically(in the Alien universe, I mean) the game wouldn't be entertaining, hell you wouldn't even be able to get past the lurker alien on the very first mission.
Go look at the "RALLY" thread. I do not
hate this game, and i'm tired of people using that as a blanket counter-argument to any critical remarks leveled against it. The alien's acid is practically tap water. The counter moves make them look completely non threatening. The aliens have been noted, by people who have played the game, and within demonstrations, to literally just stand there and take attacks. Previous games have made them
fast, and
lethal. Which is what makes them an
intense opponent to fight. I'd propose something with a bit more strategy to it. Slaughtering aliens at extreme close range should be a health risk. Firing off your pulse rifle constantly at one alien will have the random chance of causing it to explode in an acid shower. This will force the player to be smarter in encounters, and cautious. Just like in AVP 99, just like in many of the other Alien games. It's stupid that somehow something that worked for decades, suddenly is 'BAD' in this generation. It reeks of blind defensiveness, blind loyalty. It's absolutely ridiculous to say you can't do realistic aliens because it "wouldn't be fun." Of course it would. It'd be a damn sight more fun then mentally challenged xenos that freeze up and charge straight on constantly.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:36:29 PM
It wouldn't just be hard...it would be impossible.
No. It really wouldn't. I've already made a game that actually deals with this, and at the time I was showing it off, I could not even beat it myself, but with time and a few tweaks to the balance I have since been able to beat it successfully.
Alien : Into The Vents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH2a2qedTg4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH2a2qedTg4#ws)
And keep in mind, my alien is actually
COMPLETELY INVINCIBLE, and I've still been able to beat the game.
If there is no challenge, and no threat, there's nothing to really pump the adrenaline. Especially on repeat plays where you KNOW "okay, at this point they spawn six aliens in this room." and it's basically the exact same thing every time. Very little chance of surprise.
Also, you haven't seen or played AVP 99? Missing out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARpEpKnJTZQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARpEpKnJTZQ#ws)
As I said, I never played AVP1 so I did not know how powerful they were, no need for the "What are you talking about?" As I literally don't know how the Aliens were in AVP1, I just tried to use AVP2 as a reference.
But, all you said, just kinda proves my point. If the acid were as powerful as it was in the movie, one drop on the skin and you're f**ked. Game over. One Alien gets behind you, you're f**ked. Game Over. An Alien even gets near you, you're f**ked for multiple reasons. Game over. The only way the movie characters survived was by running, its hard to make a game narrative by running away.
I'm not trying to be a prick here, I'm just trying to say that if developers were to make the Aliens true to what they are, they couldn't make a game out of it.
Now, I will agree with you that the Aliens just jumping down asking to be shot is a bit weak, and that the acid should be more powerful, than nothing at all.
That video pretty much proves my point, too. That one Alien f**ked you. One Alien that didn't come close to the speed or ferociousness of an actual Alien. Now, with ACM, there are dozens of those running around. If they were programed, somehow, as real Xeno's you'd be completely f**ked.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:57:08 PM
As I said, I never played AVP1 so I did not know how powerful they were, no need for the "What are you talking about?" As I literally don't know how the Aliens were in AVP1, I just tried to use AVP2 as a reference.
I'm saying "What are you talking about" in reference to AVP 2. You make them sound like they're unreasonably or cheaply difficult, when they're very easily dealt with.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:57:08 PM
But, all you said, just kinda proves my point. If the acid were as powerful as it was in the movie, one drop on the skin and you're f**ked. Game over. One Alien gets behind you, you're f**ked. Game Over. An Alien even gets near you, you're f**ked for multiple reasons. Game over. The only way the movie characters survived was by running, its hard to make a game narrative by running away.
That isn't what i've been saying at all though. So, no, what i'm saying is that the acid has been far more powerful, and the aliens far more cunning in previous games. Games that were completely successful, award winners, and had a certain degree of authenticity to them for their time.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:57:08 PM
I'm not trying to be a prick here, I'm just trying to say that if developers were to make the Aliens true to what they are, they couldn't make a game out of it.
If we're talking about 100% movie accurate acid? Yeah, it would require some clever thinking. You'd have to restrict the players weapons on space ships, or create very dynamic environments.
Conversely, though, I think games need to drop the overly linear "movie like" structure. Some of the best gaming experiences are derived from random elements coming together. If FPS games went back to the older formula of level design and such, and stopped being so intent on pushing you from room to room, the fear of "flow breaking" could be swept aside entirely in favor of a more dynamic game play experience. Something which developers have all but abanoned, with few exceptions, for nearly two game generations now.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:57:08 PM
That video pretty much proves my point, too. That one Alien f**ked you. One Alien that didn't come close to the speed or ferociousness of an actual Alien. Now, with ACM, there are dozens of those running around. If they were programed, somehow, as real Xeno's you'd be completely f**ked.
Actually it's behavior is pretty much accurate to the alien in the first movie. Hence why it's so deadly to begin with. I matched it's movement to the rate of movement depicted on Lambert's motion tracker. Also, part of the challenge is the dynamic roaming AI, not necessarily it's speed or attack power.
Surprise is the
key here.
Well, maybe I just suck at the game, than, cause I've had to do a few parts multiple times. :laugh:
Alright, I can dig that. But, in this game, the Lurker showed some pretty decent AI. In the IGN playthrough, he came up right behind that mug, and would've probably killed him on a higher difficulty.
But, isn't AVP1 a room to room experience? AVP2 certainly was. If you would give me an example of a shooter doing what you are saying, I'd love to hear it, and that's genuine, not trying to be a dick. When I think of shooters that aren't room to room, I think of Crysis and Borderlands.
That's actually pretty cool that you did that. It just seemed to move a little slower than some of the aliens in other movies.
I can agree on the dynamic roaming AI, and the random spawn of enemies , where you have no idea where they're going to be next time you play that part.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 08, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
Well, maybe I just suck at the game, than, cause I've had to do a few parts multiple times. :laugh:
Well, I guess that's just representative of the generational gap that has occurred. For me, having to restart sections comes with the territory. Getting your ass kicked a couple times is character building.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 08, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
Alright, I can dig that. But, in this game, the Lurker showed some pretty decent AI. In the IGN playthrough, he came up right behind that mug, and would've probably killed him on a higher difficulty.
The Lurker is something i'm still not certain on. Part of me wants to believe it really is the wild card xeno, but i've seen people play that first section a couple of times, and the lurker seems to behave nearly exactly the same every time. It seems to go to one of it's two marks, wait, and then ambush you. Not really "dynamic." Exactly. We'll see though.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 08, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
But, isn't AVP1 a room to room experience? AVP2 certainly was. If you would give me an example of a shooter doing what you are saying, I'd love to hear it, and that's genuine, not trying to be a dick. When I think of shooters that aren't room to room, I think of Crysis and Borderlands.
Well, by room-to-room i'm speaking specifically of the nature of the scripting. The game demands you move to the next area once the badguys are dealt with. There's very little exploration to do (I saw a guy walk up to something that looked about big enough to fit into, and was unable to do so for no apparent reason.)
Technically, AVP 99 was very linear, though there were sections where you still had to explore and backtrack (the colony level in that video demonstrates a bit of an area where you can get a little confused if you don't mind the wall markings and such.). The AI is also dynamically spawned throughout the map, and can be in different places depending on what you do. This makes every level of the marine campaign very tense.
Very tense. Particularly on the higher difficulty settings.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 08, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
That's actually pretty cool that you did that. It just seemed to move a little slower than some of the aliens in other movies.
I can agree on the dynamic roaming AI, and the random spawn of enemies , where you have no idea where they're going to be next time you play that part.
The ironic thing of this whole conversation, is that is exactly where the idea came from. People saying it couldn't be done. But then you look at games like Amnesia the dark descent, or Slender, or any of the other survival-based FPS games that have become hugely popular. Something like that, done as a triple A title with an alien? Sign me up. Scare the shit out of me.
Now, i'm not saying the aliens here have to be that good, but I think they can certainly better than what they seem to be. Make them a bit bigger, faster, do a bit more damage, and up the acid splash. That's all i'm saying.
Hey, I'm only 3 years younger than you, bruh. And, I know, I didn't say it pissed me off, I just simply stated that I had to play it a few times.
Ahh. I haven't watched that much of the campaign. Hopefully that was just coincidence.
While I can dig on some exploration, there are certain games to do it in. Assassins Creed, Crysis(Especially 1), Borderlands, stuff like that. Very much of the modern day combat IS room to room.
To me, the Xeno isn't scary anymore. I know you're probably talking more about atmosphere and tension building, which I can dig on, its got its place in gaming.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 07, 2013, 06:03:16 PM
... It's all f**king GORMANS FAULT for not using 3-round burst!
No it isn't. One round, three, a hundred... They weren't doing a thing at the range he was firing it. Vasquez had to use her gun at point-blank range at
exactly the same point. A point which was probably a good deal weaker than the rest of the body, because a head is typically used for sensory organs. Very likely stunned it in the process for the same reason, too (you try having a handgun go off, right next to your head - can pretty much deafen you).
Pulse rifles fire rounds which are designed to get through personal armour well in advance of what we have today. Makes sense they'd stand a chance. The handguns being fired are different.
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2013, 10:08:02 PM
Three marines with superior leverage were unable to close a sliding door against one Alien without shooting its head off.
This... So much this.
Unarmed combat against an Alien would be like going up against a Terminator. You'd be rag-dolled into tiny broken bones if it wanted to. Cross a hydraulic vice with a chainsaw and you've got a close approximation to what a delightful day out that would be.
At the end of the day, to GBX, it's just "Dumb Bugz!"
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 08, 2013, 12:45:01 AM
Hey, I'm only 3 years younger than you, bruh. And, I know, I didn't say it pissed me off, I just simply stated that I had to play it a few times.
Ahh. I haven't watched that much of the campaign. Hopefully that was just coincidence.
While I can dig on some exploration, there are certain games to do it in. Assassins Creed, Crysis(Especially 1), Borderlands, stuff like that. Very much of the modern day combat IS room to room.
To me, the Xeno isn't scary anymore. I know you're probably talking more about atmosphere and tension building, which I can dig on, its got its place in gaming.
IF OpenMaw IS NOT OLD ENOUGH 4 YOU...WELL IM 31 AND I TELL YOU AVP'99 XENOS ARE THE REAL DEAL.(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbulk2.destructoid.com%2Ful%2F170932-avp.jpg&hash=0dd0e22eb3c36e8f95408c9d50425d488e8f3dba)
THEY EVEN ATTACK YOU WHILE ON FIRE!!! OH MY!
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on Feb 08, 2013, 01:36:26 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 08, 2013, 12:45:01 AM
Hey, I'm only 3 years younger than you, bruh. And, I know, I didn't say it pissed me off, I just simply stated that I had to play it a few times.
Ahh. I haven't watched that much of the campaign. Hopefully that was just coincidence.
While I can dig on some exploration, there are certain games to do it in. Assassins Creed, Crysis(Especially 1), Borderlands, stuff like that. Very much of the modern day combat IS room to room.
To me, the Xeno isn't scary anymore. I know you're probably talking more about atmosphere and tension building, which I can dig on, its got its place in gaming.
IF OpenMaw IS NOT OLD ENOUGH 4 YOU...WELL IM 31 AND I TELL YOU AVP'99 XENOS ARE THE REAL DEAL.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbulk2.destructoid.com%2Ful%2F170932-avp.jpg&hash=0dd0e22eb3c36e8f95408c9d50425d488e8f3dba)
THEY EVEN ATTACK YOU WHILE ON FIRE!!! OH MY!
:laugh: :laugh:
That's what's up.
QuoteBut, all you said, just kinda proves my point. If the acid were as powerful as it was in the movie, one drop on the skin and you're f**ked. Game over.
Vriess got two drops and wasn't f**ked.
Hudson got slightly more and wasn't f**ked either.
I'm more pissed that huge amounts of acid blood doesn't do shit to your character. In the freaking live stream, they used the Smart Gun on them, the xenos exploded with acid raining down everywhere...and they were standing right next to the damn Xenos...the life bar wasn't affected a single bit, it's sad.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
QuoteBut, all you said, just kinda proves my point. If the acid were as powerful as it was in the movie, one drop on the skin and you're f**ked. Game over.
Vriess got two drops and wasn't f**ked.
Hudson got slightly more and wasn't f**ked either.
OK, maybe some slight exaggeration on my part, as Hudson does have a couple drops on his bare arm, and it doesn't come off.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 08, 2013, 01:47:35 AM
I'm more pissed that huge amounts of acid blood doesn't do shit to your character. In the freaking live stream, they used the Smart Gun on them, the xenos exploded with acid raining down everywhere...and they were standing right next to the damn Xenos...the life bar wasn't affected a single bit, it's sad.
I canz agree with that.
Acid isn't as corrosive on skin as it it on metal.
That said - there's an awful lot flying around and look what happened to Drake.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2013, 01:50:54 AM
That said - there's an awful lot flying around and look what happened to Drake.
This is what gets me. We've seen how the acid can be terrible, yet the game has acid going all over the damn place and it hardly does anything.
The AVP 1 Aliens had their flaws, too. People just look back on the game with fond memories, that's all. Not sure if the sub-forums here can be trawled back for criticisms of it, but there were more than a few at the time.
They
were nicely fast, but an argument could be made that they were almost
too fast - and when you play as them, they feel like they're sliding on butter, but few, if any, games get the first-person 'running bounce' thing right, much less creature-playing ones.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 08, 2013, 01:47:35 AM
I'm more pissed that huge amounts of acid blood doesn't do shit to your character. In the freaking live stream, they used the Smart Gun on them, the xenos exploded with acid raining down everywhere...and they were standing right next to the damn Xenos...the life bar wasn't affected a single bit, it's sad.
Allegedly, the damage will be greatly increased in 'Badass Mode' (that they even named it that is depressing). No news on whether it'll do a thing for NPCs or the environment, though. Just to your character.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2013, 01:50:54 AM
That said - there's an awful lot flying around and look what happened to Drake.
And it incapacitated Hicks. Hicks' example is what they
should be basing damage off of, seeing as they're making such a big deal over the alleged canonical nature of it.
I'm just holding out for that Ultimate Badass mode. I'm seriously not going to play on anything else, ever. I'm also never even touching the melee button.
If you touch that damned melee button, you're a bitch.
Lol but options man, how hard is it just to make an acid damage option? Or even a few options, like none, light, or realistic? Does anyone else think the attachments look wildly out of place, like that shotgun and red dot sight? Come on, they can't even make them OD green?
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 08, 2013, 01:56:09 AM
I'm just holding out for that Ultimate Badass mode. I'm seriously not going to play on anything else, ever. I'm also never even touching the melee button.
If you touch that damned melee button, you're a bitch.
Lol but options man, how hard is it just to make an acid damage option? Or even a few options, like none, light, or realistic? Does anyone else think the attachments look wildly out of place, like that shotgun and red dot sight? Come on, they can't even make them OD green?
But, but, but...I don't wanna die. :( :laugh:
Yeah, the attachments are wack. Save for the iron sights, of course.
Ugh, this game.
"Dicey? I need grown up words."
Good lord that dialogue made me laugh out loud. And that's not a compliment. :laugh:
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 08, 2013, 01:55:45 AM
The AVP 1 Aliens had their flaws, too. People just look back on the game with fond memories, that's all. Not sure if the sub-forums here can be trawled back for criticisms of it, but there were more than a few at the time.
Nothing major. Not as far as the AI versions are concerned anyway. They occasionally get stuck on things.
I'm not looking back, ether. I just went and played through the first three levels of the Marine campaign, followed by some skirmish. My memory is five minutes old.
There were some things that were off. No hatching eggs. No chest bursters. They were a bit too noise. Screeching every five seconds and such... But honestly, not much else. They did what they were supposed to. Get you on your toes.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 08, 2013, 01:55:45 AM
They were nicely fast, but an argument could be made that they were almost too fast - and when you play as them, they feel like they're sliding on butter, but few, if any, games get the first-person 'running bounce' thing right, much less creature-playing ones.
AvP2 improved some of the elements of the Alien player's control. I'd ditch the incredibly silly superman-alien pounce, but the speed was more evened (maybe a smidge faster.)
I feel like an idiot right now though. I went in there to record some commentary and put together a video talking about specifically what Colonial Marines should have taken away from the legacy of Aliens games out there already, using examples from AVP 99 specifically... and then after I got out of the game to check the footage, I didn't have my mic detected by Fraps, so it only got the game sound. DOH!