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"It's here!" Says bald panicked Ripley opening the mess halls double doors.
Damn
I was hoping for retcon
Yeah, as I said before:
Quote from: Kurai on Sep 28, 2016, 07:33:47 AM
Something that a lot of people seem to keep overlooking is that Covenant isn't the final Alien prequel apparently coming and it would make little sense for Alien 5 to come out before the entire prequel series is complete.
Is Prometheus actually part of the Alien prequel trilogy? Yes it is a prequel to Alien, but is it part of the trilogy leading into Alien? If so, that means we have at least one more movie after Covenant, if not then we may have two.
How many years away does that place Alienkamp? Add to that time any projects that Weaver, Bien and Blomkamp may start in the interim... I don't see it happening.
We will get an Alien 5, I just doubt it will follow its' current trajectory and will be at least half a decade away, maybe even a full decade away at fairly pessimistic.
I knew it. I'm not surprise at all.
After recently seeing Aliens on the big screen for the first time I started to warm up to this new Alien 5 concept.
Ripley and Newt had such a strong relationship in that film it's hard to stomach what happened at the beginning of Alien3. That being said, Alien3 is the sequel we got for bettor or worse. I enjoy the film's nihilistic version, but I think it went to far especially the beginning.
I think the only thing that can keep this movie alive is if Covenant bombs big time. I don't want that to happen.
Thank god.
Well, this is officially the best news that I have heard all day.
*Evil Sith cackle*
For those of you who wanted this film, i am sorry that you won't be getting it. There's still Covenant, so that's something to look forward to and is better than nothing at least. Plus there's not long left until it's out.
I would've been upset by this news too if it didn't have Ripley, Newt and Hicks in the idea. That's the only thing that put me off of it. Otherwise I am in full support of Blomkamp making his own Alien movie with new characters in it.
He said slim, not none.
That's true, I used the wrong terminology there when I said "you won't be getting."
It still does lower the chances significantly though, and that coming from Neil himself doesn't sound too hopeful when compared to how full of energy and reassurance Weaver seemed when talking about the project.
As much as I want this film, I'd rather just be told that it might not happen than be given false hope.
Besides, eventually Fox will make an alternate Alien 3, whether it takes 5 years or 15 years.
I still think we will eventually see Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN' movie of some description. Maybe he'll direct the sequel to 'ALIEN: Covenant'. I can see that happening. He does have a technical sensibility that really suits the Universe but for God's sake he needs to get away from the whole alternate 'ALIEN 3' idea.
It's too bad he wasn't around 30 years ago for his proposal. That would have been appropriate back then.
-Windebieste.
I remember when people were saying that Star Wars 7 would never happen.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 22, 2017, 05:01:50 AM
I still think we will eventually see Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN' movie of some description. Maybe he'll direct the sequel to 'ALIEN: Covenant'. I can see that happening. He does have a technical sensibility that really suits the Universe but for God's sake he needs to get away from the whole alternate 'ALIEN 3' idea.
It's too bad he wasn't around 30 years ago for his proposal. That would have been appropriate back then.
-Windebieste.
I'd love to see Blomkamp do a sequel to Covenant, it'd be interesting.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 22, 2017, 05:01:50 AM
I still think we will eventually see Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN' movie of some description. Maybe he'll direct the sequel to 'ALIEN: Covenant'. I can see that happening. He does have a technical sensibility that really suits the Universe but for God's sake he needs to get away from the whole alternate 'ALIEN 3' idea.
It's too bad he wasn't around 30 years ago for his proposal. That would have been appropriate back then.
-Windebieste.
Scott is attached to 3 projects after Covenant, so if Fox wants to get it out quicker, than they can always get Blomkamp if Scott wants to do his other films first. Though Blomkamp will also have to finish The Gone World.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 05:48:15 AM
I remember when people were saying that Star Wars 7 would never happen.
Worst movie in the whole 'Star Wars' series.
I mean, really. While episodes 1-3 have their problems, they still offer a compelling narrative component that leads into episodes 4-6. It's a set of 6 movies that ultimately have a single and complete story arc - and that arc is basically 'The Rise and Redemption of Darth Vader'. That's the net value of that entire pair of trilogies and ep.7 desparately attempts to dovetail into it but it fails because it's so disconnected.
Ep. 7 is a rehash of everything that's gone before, except it takes place 30 years after the closing moments of the 6th movie and a tenuous reason for doing so - bring back old actors to reprise roles they haven't played for decades.
It's a garbage movie when it comes down to the most important component - the story.
'Rogue One' is a much better movie. One of the key reasons is because it focuses on a fresh narrative with new characters and
doesn't desperately shoe horn the story around aging characters. 'Rogue One' is a triumph in this regard because it demonstrates there is no need for a retcon if you want value adding to the Universe.
I'd rather watch the 'ALIEN' equivalent of 'Rogue One' than bring back (deceased) characters just one more time. There's nothing to be gained by doing that. A movie that runs parallel to the events of 'ALIEN 3' featuring USCM combating Aliens is much more welcome.
Something along the lines of 'ALIENS: Colonial Marines' (but not shit) is the way to go.
-Windebieste.
I honestly never thought we'd get Alien:Covenant only 4 years out of Prometheus. There's likely going to be at least one, maybe two sequels as well. Plus I wasn't feeling the alien 5 thing. If alien is to be taken serious it can't be all marvel like and just resurrect characters because they can.
As much as I would like to see Blomkamp's Alien, I would hate another "we cloned Rippley from alien blood" BS.
If FOX want's to make Alien movie with Rippley, Newt and Hicks, then they should have the balls to proclaim that Alien 3 is not-cannon and finnaly make an effort to make an unbroken cannon for Alien franchise.
P.S. that game... Alien Colonial Marines... it was proclaimed cannon by Fox, and it has such bad plot holes that black-holes look like kinder-garden in comparison.
Well, it's over. Hope just died for the franchise. No matter where these prequels go we all know it ends with superhero Ripley.
Quote from: klesk4ever on Jan 22, 2017, 03:52:04 PM
P.S. that game... Alien Colonial Marines... it was proclaimed cannon by Fox, and it has such bad plot holes that black-holes look like kinder-garden in comparison.
No they
cannon-balled it.
It's no longer the cannonz.
RIP Turk.
Good to hear.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 22, 2017, 06:36:48 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 05:48:15 AM
I remember when people were saying that Star Wars 7 would never happen.
Worst movie in the whole 'Star Wars' series.
I mean, really. While episodes 1-3 have their problems, they still offer a compelling narrative component that leads into episodes 4-6. It's a set of 6 movies that ultimately have a single and complete story arc - and that arc is basically 'The Rise and Redemption of Darth Vader'. That's the net value of that entire pair of trilogies and ep.7 desparately attempts to dovetail into it but it fails because it's so disconnected.
Ep. 7 is a rehash of everything that's gone before, except it takes place 30 years after the closing moments of the 6th movie and a tenuous reason for doing so - bring back old actors to reprise roles they haven't played for decades.
It's a garbage movie when it comes down to the most important component - the story.
'Rogue One' is a much better movie. One of the key reasons is because it focuses on a fresh narrative with new characters and doesn't desperately shoe horn the story around aging characters. 'Rogue One' is a triumph in this regard because it demonstrates there is no need for a retcon if you want value adding to the Universe.
I'd rather watch the 'ALIEN' equivalent of 'Rogue One' than bring back (deceased) characters just one more time. There's nothing to be gained by doing that. A movie that runs parallel to the events of 'ALIEN 3' featuring USCM combating Aliens is much more welcome.
Something along the lines of 'ALIENS: Colonial Marines' (but not shit) is the way to go.
-Windebieste.
TBH I lost interest in Star Wars after they molested the original trilogy with CGI. Almost unwatchable now.
Rogue One was pretty boring except for the special effects and nostalgia. I liked the girl in The Force Awakens more as well, at least she had personality.
But I like what you're saying, a Colonial Marines movie with new characters might actually be good.
Sad news as i would have loved to see that story.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 05:48:15 AM
I remember when people were saying that Star Wars 7 would never happen.
Lol but neill is the f**king director.
He could have put forth this response in order to garner a response, much like he did back in 2015 by releasing the concept art... with the ultimate goal of having the fans put pressure on 20th Century Fox by showing that there is a demand/need to see this film completed.
Lightning struck once... maybe it'll strike again. I sure hope so, as I was really looking forward to this and it's a gut punch to say the least to see this come across my Facebook feed. :(
Quote from: oberonqa on Jan 23, 2017, 12:31:26 PM
He could have put forth this response in order to garner a response, much like he did back in 2015 by releasing the concept art... with the ultimate goal of having the fans put pressure on 20th Century Fox by showing that there is a demand/need to see this film completed.
The thought had crossed my mind. And I can't fault them. Weaver has been trying to keep the interest alive and assuming this gains any traction, it might work again for them.
I'm gutted for everyone who was looking forward to this. I'm in 2 minds about this as I wasn't thrilled about a retcon but I'm always excited to see more Alien up on the big screen and would have loved to have seen Biehn rocking a Pulse Rifle again.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 22, 2017, 05:01:50 AMIt's too bad he wasn't around 30 years ago for his proposal. That would have been appropriate back then.
-Windebieste.
Not that I'm displeased with Fincher's attempt but I have to recognize the mess the film went through.
They had someone at the time that could have done a marvelous job too I think: David Twohy.
It would have fit perfectly between the line of ALIEN and ALIENS (somehow what ALIEN³ did in a way).
I'm kinda glad about it to be honest, I've never liked Blomkamp's film beside District 9 which was good but nothing groundbreaking either. Elysium and Chappie were both mediocre films in my opinion. I disliked almost everything in that movies going from Artistic Direction, cinematography, acting, story...
Sure the guy does manage to make alternative Sci Fi compared to what hollywood is flooding us with Comic book film and Star Wars. But it's nothing really fresh either to be honest.
PS: I still think Star Wars I-III were the real masterpiece. It's like THX 1138 in real life with actors trapped on the movie set forced to face a blue wall (it's all they've got). And the way Politic is treated in it with how democracy fails is absolutely marvelous. IV-VI did not have anything to go for beside the pop corn ride most people go for in a film. Sure they are good, but I think the prequels pushed really hard what Georges was thinking. They are more reflective of Lucas thoughts which tend to piss some. I understand, most people going for a Sci Fi / Space Opera film don't expect to have philosophy / politic blended within it has the core concept. Well I may be wrong, people liked Matrix after all ::)
Does not shock me. :-[ Definitely would of loved to see what he would of done with alien5, because his films are visually nice to look at, and he knows how to use CGI correctly. The only thing that put me off was him bringing Ripley, Hicks, Newt and maybe Bishop back from the dead.. I would rather have new story with new characters.
Anyhow, he said "Slim" so the still could be a tiny possibility he could end up doing something with the Alien(s) movies, in the future. I personally would love him to do something with the Terminator and Robocop franchise, since them movies have turned to shit, and I can see him doing something good with them. One thing about Blomkamp he knows how to bring Robots and Weapons on the screen and make them look visually stunning. Just keep him away from script writing.
Blomkamp is an incredible visual director, and District 9 is one of my favorite Sci-Fi films of the past decade, but his last few films have ranged from mediocre to down right embarrassing. So I'm pretty relieved to hear that this might be on hold indefinitely. The concept seemed interesting, but without a more experienced screenwriter I had very little hope for the project.
Side note, I wonder if Gareth Edwards would be up for doing an Alien film :P
You can always trust Fox to mess something up. I also blame Ridley Scott for this as well; we essentially lost the movie everyone wanted to see so we can watch a movie starring Ripley's mom that no one wants to see, and after seeing Prometheus and Morgan I don't have any faith that Sir Scott can deliver a good film (though to be fair, I was never really a fan of his first Alien film either, Aliens was far superior imho).
Waiting for this movie like https://i.imgur.com/DNsXXq9.jpg
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 23, 2017, 01:52:16 PM
You can always trust Fox to mess something up. I also blame Ridley Scott for this as well; we essentially lost the movie everyone wanted to see so we can watch a movie starring Ripley's mom that no one wants to see, and after seeing Prometheus and Morgan I don't have any faith that Sir Scott can deliver a good film (though to be fair, I was never really a fan of his first Alien film either, Aliens was far superior imho).
Who are these two "everyone" and "no one" that you speak of? :P
Just kidding, I'm sorry that the film you wanted to see got cancelled. The feeling does suck and I can emphasise with it even if I wasn't too thrilled about the ideas behind this movie.
Lol thanks, I'm just grateful now that I've been distancing myself from this franchise, it looks like a lot of the old sci-fi franchises are going under. Disney succeeded in making me do something I thought I would never do; question my love for Star Wars, I am so done with that franchise now that I don't think I'll be watching any more movies or any more TV shows (Legends is the only continuity worth my time).
Sucks for those keen on it, but for the best if you ask me. I hated the idea of pointlessly retconning stuff.
That would be a pity; I would like to see an alternate time line in which Hicks survived and also Newt but looks like it´s fading. Still, if Fox would do a fifth installment without Neil, I think Denis Villeneuve would fit perfectly for the director chair.
Alien Covenant was green lit before Blomkamps "Alien 5". The chances of it happening were always slim. You think they are gonna tell Ridley Scott to sit down for Blomkamp??? Did you really think they were gonna have a Different unrelated Alien movie in between the "alleged" Prometheus trilogy??? Scott should let Blomkamp direct the Covenant sequel if one does happen. If Blomkamp cant get behind it then sit back and relax and wait for the next Alien reboot movies in 10 years. There is also the issue with Sigourney Weavers age...Make no mistake the woman is a walking legend, and to me she will always be the best actress of my time. She is also 67 years old. I cant picture her running around with a makeshift flamethrower.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Quote from: newbeing on Jan 23, 2017, 01:22:54 PM
Blomkamp is an incredible visual director, and District 9 is one of my favorite Sci-Fi films of the past decade, but his last few films have ranged from mediocre to down right embarrassing. So I'm pretty relieved to hear that this might be on hold indefinitely. The concept seemed interesting, but without a more experienced screenwriter I had very little hope for the project.
Side note, I wonder if Gareth Edwards would be up for doing an Alien film :P
You know that's not a bad idea... They should do what Disney is doing. and hire different directors this way we can have a new flick every year. 8)
That would be great IMO.
Thank goodness.
Thank god! It was bull@*it
Great news. Not a fan of his work at all. And the whole idea of Ripley and newt etc was just shocking. Good Riddance.
Hmm, well.. Blomkamp's Alien film supporters unite! I propose we pick a thread that is related to the topic and regularly start communicating, so that if there is any opportunity to take action, let's share about it and let's take it!
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52313.0
AvPGalaxy Forums » Films/TV » Alien Films » Alien 5 » Topic: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
good, his ideas were terrible, only because he made one good movie before selling his soul to hollywood doesnt make it automatically the proper director for this
Good to hear. And I feel for the ones that were keen on this to happen... It's always painfull when movie projects get axed that make you feel warm inside. :'-(
Shame...
Anyway, just keep in mind that Covenant is around the corner and could bring some nice things to the table.
Russ840 makes a good point in another topic:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52418.msg2169880#msg2169880
QuoteI would be happy if Blomkamp sacked of A5 and was asked to make AVP. He could even transfer some of his concepts. Do away with Ripley and Hicks. Have Way Yu in possession of the derelict. Intergrat the Predator. I would enjoy having the predator be a adaptation of Ahab from fire and stone and him searching for clues as to the whereabouts of his 'White Whale' an engineer. He turns up at the Way Yu complex to break in, stealthy of course, to get access to the derelict. While he is there shit hits the fan. There are aliens and what have you. Could end with him setting off his bomb and He could be the reason that the is no Derelict anymore. I would set it 20 or so years after Alien 3. As he has destroyed all evidence. There is no record of a predator and also is the final word on why, come Resurrection, the USM can't do anything but clone Ripley to get access to the Xenomorph. I know that the Harley's hope explosion is assumed to have destroyed the Derelict but I don't buy into that. I reckon it was well over 30km away which was the blast radius, in think.
That was a more involved post than I set out for it to be. Lol
Personally, I'm not sure how slim the chances are - as Hicks and co pointed out a few posts ago, this may have been posted to boost interest again (I'm pretty sure it was only last year, Sigourney was saying how good the script was, how it was definitely going to happen and so on - though, she is only an actor at the end of the day).
But I think Russ840s idea is a good one - NB might be just chap for AvP.
Siggy is gonna die before this gets even a chance to get made.
And The Prequel trilogy is gonna be really shit.
All hopes are with Shane Black at the moment... and he's not really a scifi kind of guy so...
Quote from: Russ on Jan 23, 2017, 03:46:46 PM
But I think Russ840s idea is a good one - NB might be just chap for AvP.
That'd suit me just fine! I'm still dying for a well put together AvP film and I reckon Blomkamp has the right effects eye for it.
Keep him working in the art department.
Get someone who's actually decent... like Neill Marshall to direct.
GOOD.
Good news !
It's weird... Blomkamp's favourite of the series is the original '
Alien', he wanted to present this in the style of '
Alien Isolation' and he's the only person with a chance of helming one of these who's made a big deal in interviews about the need to return it to psychosexual concepts (and Giger's aesthetics in general). Yet, all his detractors seem to think he'd be like Michael Bay and make it really superficial and filled with nothing but loud explosions.
Whatever one's preference for '
Alien 3' (and we still don't have any confirmation on what that situation was going to be), it's clear that this project was going to be a lot more artistic in tone than many assume.
Well, 'slim' doesn't necessarily mean it won't happen. But since I can't generate much enthusiasm for '
Covenant' (Scott hasn't directed a film I've truly liked since '
Gladiator'), I'm meeting this news with a disappointed sigh. I'm pretty sure it would have picked up threads of whatever Weaver was privy to, back when Cameron was speaking to her and Scott about writing a fifth film and would have been very intrigued to find out how those ideas had evolved.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 23, 2017, 03:46:46 PM
NB might be just chap for AvP.
He was already asked about his thoughts on the AVP concept in a video interview. He actively dislikes it and thinks both respective series should be kept as separate.
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 23, 2017, 03:52:17 PM
Get someone who's actually decent... like Neill Marshall to direct.
He hasn't done anything I've liked since '
Dog Soldiers'. If anything disproved to me he'd be a good fit for an '
Alien' film, it was how underwhelming '
The Descent' was.
Well, I'm close to saying that I'm done. I kind of was looking forward to this movie.
I think Blomkamp could pull off a great Aliens film as long as he worked with some good writers.. But I wish we got Danny Boil to do Alien 3. However I can see why he turned it down, but after watching Sunshine I bet Danny Boil could make a great alien film.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 23, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
He was already asked about his thoughts on the AVP concept in a video interview. He actively dislikes it and thinks both respective series should be kept as separate.
I've not seen that, but if the chances of this one are "slim" and he was offered the AvP reboot, I wonder if he'd do it anyway. Backtracking and all that.
:/
He was already asked about his thoughts on the AVP concept in a video interview. He actively dislikes it and thinks both respective series should be kept as separate.
If possible could you please link us to the video where he admits not being keen on the AvP concept please?
Only reason I'm glad this isn't being made is because I don't want it to retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection. If it was a good movie I still would've liked it, but I don't like alternative timeline crap.
Terrible to hear, hope we still see it. This is the best idea/thing to come out of the franchise since 1986. Sigh......and for what? More Prometheus/avatar? EW!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 23, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
Well, 'slim' doesn't necessarily mean it won't happen.
This is indeed true, and stranger things have happened.
I remember a couple years back that Warner Bros. announced that Pacific Rim 2 was either cancelled or had a slim chance of happening, and now it's being filmed. Hopefully, the same thing will happen here.
I'm actually pretty pleased... I think Blomkamp would have chose ADI to do the practical effects, and I just know Tom Woodruff would have wore the suit again, and I think after AvP-R I'm done with that. Not only did the Aliens look absolutely naff, it's so obvious it's a man in a suit. The Alien needs to look skeletal in frame to look convincing.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 23, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
He hasn't done anything I've liked since 'Dog Soldiers'. If anything disproved to me he'd be a good fit for an 'Alien' film, it was how underwhelming 'The Descent' was.
Blomkamp has 1 ok film and 2 really shitty ones in his CV so far.
The guy is still riding off the good will generated by District 9. His best days are behind him.
+ The concept art he put out looked ridiculous (Ripley wearing a Xeno-Helmet?)
Meanwhile, Neill Marshall is still doing a damn good job directing the best Game of Thrones episodes.
He'd be a better fit. Easily.
Well I'm personally gutted, was really looking forward to seeing what he would come up with :(
Sad. Why get our hopes up? It would have been nice to see Sigourney and Michael treading the boards together again. I was hoping on Lance being in it too.
Good news for me. As I always said, Neil Blokamp is good choice for Alien film. Just not that particular Alien film.
Quote from: Adam802 on Jan 23, 2017, 06:01:05 PMSigh......and for what? More Prometheus/avatar?
Since when did
Avatar have anything whatsoever to do with this film going ahead or not?
I'm sad cause I wanted more space Nam', but happy cause the last couple of Blomkamp films have been less than stellar
Maybe there are concerns on how alien 5 could affect the continuing Prometheus trilogy. After the trailer for covenant, which I personally felt a little bit of a rehash of the original alien. The use of the beloved characters may be viewed as overshadowing Scott's new alien direction, especially if it follows the same as Prometheus as a bit of a letdown....
Good. I would love to see another Aliens-style film, but why does it have to include Ripley and redo continuity? Let's have some new characters for a new generation.
Never got excited with him commanding an Alien movie. His films are a little above the mediocre.
I saw nothing in his conceptual arts that cheered me up..Alien Queen in the woods? No thanks.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 23, 2017, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Jan 23, 2017, 06:01:05 PMSigh......and for what? More Prometheus/avatar?
Since when did Avatar have anything whatsoever to do with this film going ahead or not?
Fox co-financed Avatar (and presumably the sequels).
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Jan 23, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
I'm sad cause I wanted more space Nam', but happy cause the last couple of Blomkamp films have been less than stellar
Personally, I think we'll see Blomkamp return to make an 'ALIEN' movie at some point. You can bet it will be 'more space Nam' content. His current proposal was just 30 years too late.
I'd say, with substantial character re-alignement, his existing story can be made to fit the Universe well. After all, Cameron's 'ALIENS' was a re-purposing of a different script entirely.
If the story was as 'gangbusters' as people claim, I can see Blomkamp's critical plot points being adopted in an entirely different movie. It will just happen with a fresh cast of characters - maybe even be modified to fit into Scott's current trilogy. At 80, I personally don't see Scott wanting to direct 2 more sequels - He's likely to hand it over to someone else at some point and Blomkamp is a great candidate as far as I am concerned. He's just needs to overcome the problems and deficiencies present in 'Elysium' and 'Chappie'.
Then as far as I am concerned, we're good to go on a brand new 'ALIENS' style movie. It aint that hard to visualise, really.
-Windebieste.
Since District 9 and then again with Elysium, I'd been saying Blomkamp was perfect for an Alien film. I still think that.
After seeing Sigourney talk about the script, in person last Alien Day, I had greatly warmed up to the idea of this. But I have to admit, seeing how much I love Alien 3, I would always be dragged down by the idea of it being relegated to an ALTERNATIVE FACT. Haha.
Like the guy above me said^^^ I would still love to see Blomkamp or Fox take his ideas, and maybe apply them to another Alien film, without Ripley? And who knows why he is saying this? Maybe they proposed that he take on one of the next few sequels. After all, it is really doubtful, that Ridley Scott will direct them all.
That said, I think they should get on Josh Whedon to direct the follow-up to A:R, in hopes of redeeming himself.
The other strong possibility is that they are kicking around a TV series, which I'd assumed would have been AVP related, but am not against Ripley's story going the TV route.
Another thing that crossed my mind was the effect of the death of Carrie Fischer on this project. Maybe that gave Fox some pause regarding Sigourney?
The good news is the doors are still wide open. The bad news is - well, the doors are wide open. If this film ends where we all THINK WE KNOW it will, I just hope they have a grander plan for where it's all going. That's what hurt the series so many times before, and- -
That's what really matters now IMO.
Quote from: SM on Jan 23, 2017, 09:02:29 PMFox co-financed Avatar (and presumably the sequels).
Sure, but since when was
Avatar a roadblock to another
Alien film?
Covenant's going ahead.
And it would seem likely that Alien V isn't.
I dunno if there's a connection but there's form with Titanic getting given money while Resurrection was having money taken away.
Quote from: Adam802 on Jan 23, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
Sigh......and for what? More Prometheus/avatar? EW!
For more original Sci-fi.
AKA, The Gone World.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 22, 2017, 06:36:48 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 05:48:15 AM
I remember when people were saying that Star Wars 7 would never happen.
Worst movie in the whole 'Star Wars' series.
Second best next to Empire. I like it even better than New Hope. Episodes 1-3 are utterly horrible.
I can only hope it eventually gets made :'(
Slim isn't cancelled. Love or hate the concept, I believe that his film would have been (or will be, who knows) great fun.
I dont have an opinion on this, i would like a small synopsis of the movie he wanted to do, crying about it now is just weird,
if you dont know what he would wanna bring to the table.
For all i know it could be pure garbage.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 23, 2017, 09:21:29 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 23, 2017, 09:02:29 PMFox co-financed Avatar (and presumably the sequels).
Sure, but since when was Avatar a roadblock to another Alien film? Covenant's going ahead.
Alien 5 got further delayed when Weaver got attached to the Avatar sequels.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 23, 2017, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Jan 23, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
Sigh......and for what? More Prometheus/avatar? EW!
For more original Sci-fi.
AKA, The Gone World.
That book sounds awesome. I really should pay at least some attention to novelizations.
Also I have more than enough firepower. I could do the movie. Back of the head. Painless. It might be the best way. It might be the only way to put this abomination of a movie down for good. Still feel bad though, I wouldn't have minded seeing this movie but it's suffering has to end sometime.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 23, 2017, 12:37:45 PMWeaver has been trying to keep the interest alive and assuming this gains any traction, it might work again for them.
Weaver's the reason I didn't want this movie.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 22, 2017, 05:04:24 PM
RIP Turk.
Happy news, as far as I'm concerned. Leave the 'do-overs' to the superhero twaddle.
Who will cling to this franchise like a parasite after Weaver's gone?
I seriously hope this is the case. As an Alien fan I treasure all my moments watching the series. It may be sacrilege but I love Alien 3 and like Resurection. Wiping those films from cannon for me would be a real kick in the teeth to long time fans of the Alien saga. Look at Star Wars for how tricky it can be to wipe out previously established canon for a fresh start.
Years of fan fic, spin off stories and books are now just meaningless to the universe going forward.
I have the Weyland Yutani visual guide in my loo. When I take a dump do I have to rip out everything after Ripley ejects the Queen on Sulaco? I paid 20 quid for that book!
Let's see what Covenant turns out like. My hopes are stratospheric right now and feel Ridley should keep control. An 80 year old master director returning to it to give us a hard core horror Alien film ? It's unheard of and I think when he retires or passes on a lot of fans on here will miss his influence on getting this series back in the public eye enormously
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 23, 2017, 11:02:14 PM
Who will cling to this franchise like a parasite after Weaver's gone?
*raises hand* :-[
Quote from: Dkwookie on Jan 24, 2017, 12:17:35 AM
I seriously hope this is the case. As an Alien fan I treasure all my moments watching the series. It may be sacrilege but I love Alien 3 and like Resurection. Wiping those films from cannon for me would be a real kick in the teeth to long time fans of the Alien saga. Look at Star Wars for how tricky it can be to wipe out previously established canon for a fresh start.
Years of fan fic, spin off stories and books are now just meaningless to the universe going forward.
I have the Weyland Yutani visual guide in my loo. When I take a dump do I have to rip out everything after Ripley ejects the Queen on Sulaco? I paid 20 quid for that book!
Let's see what Covenant turns out like. My hopes are stratospheric right now and feel Ridley should keep control. An 80 year old master director returning to it to give us a hard core horror Alien film ? It's unheard of and I think when he retires or passes on a lot of fans on here will miss his influence on getting this series back in the public eye enormously
Star Wars fan fic was always meaningless.
While I share your sentiments, realistically you're probably going to piss off less people excising Alien3 and Resurrection, than they did ditching the old Star Wars EU. And that freed the series up for more massively successful films.
9 (maybe 10) people would probably get super pissed at the soft reboot.
And then they'd realize that Alien 3 and 4 are still out there on bluray....
And they would go on with their lives.
I think 10 is pushing it.
Well I say this, I (and no doubt Fox) trust Ridley Scott more than Neil Blomkamp to deliver an Alien film.
You can say the canon dump is ok but why do it? It's more than an extended universe dump its a Bobby Ewing moment, for me jumping the shark.
why do it?
a) $$$$$$$$$$$
b) Would link Prometheus + sequels to the Alien/Aliens era. (The golden age in the eyes of the audience.)
c) Because they can.
d) Because Siggy wants to end Ripley's journey in a different note.
e) $$$$$$$$$$$
Oh well. While I was interested to see that this movie seemed to be offering a totally 'alternative' sequel to Cameron's ALIENS, this news won't get in the way of me turning ALIEN3 and ALIEN RES into mere 'hypersleep nightmare' fan edits for myself. :P
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 23, 2017, 09:05:39 PM
After all, Cameron's 'ALIENS' was a re-purposing of a different script entirely.
Huh? First I've heard of that. What script?
James Cameron's own script for Rambo 2.
Cameron only used the very basic character arc:
Rambo/Ripley go back to the place where they were originally traumatized
(LV426/Vietnam) and overcome their fears.
+
One of the people responsible for sending Rambo/Ripley on the mission turns out to be a turncoat..
and there's an anti-military/industrialcomplex theme.
that's it.
Cameron wasnt happy with Rambo 2 and he decided he was ok with taking some stuff from it.
Maybe "slim"means his chance to do the movie is pending on covenants success.
If doing well in boxoffice: ok or if not that much than fox doing covenant sequel only.
If Chappie did better maybe Blomkamp would be in better position and he could start production as Scott promised earlier that Covenant is first and Blomkamp's is next.
We dont even know if it would be a retcon, i hope we finally get something offical this year..lot of fans waiting for Alien 5 for almost 20 years and thats not an actual alien 5 or who knows .I think this year fox should decide to do it or not.
Don't play with us longer or with the cast and the director.The script/draft was ready by 2015 and liked by Scott and Cameron.So its time to decide because Weaver will be in the Avatars as well.
Actually it was a sci-fi script called "Mother", which featured the same conflicting maternal themes the finished film does.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 23, 2017, 09:21:29 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 23, 2017, 09:02:29 PMFox co-financed Avatar (and presumably the sequels).
Sure, but since when was Avatar a roadblock to another Alien film? Covenant's going ahead.
Weaver being tied up in filming Avatar 2, 3, 4, etc played a part in her scheduling not working out with Neil's.
Here: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/07/14/alien-5-will-delayed-avatar-sequels-gone-world/
Yeah. It's 'Mother' to which I'm referring. It would have been interesting to have seen how that movie panned out if he chose to make it. Nonetheless, the core components ended up being integrated into 'ALIENS'. Considering 'ALIENS' ended up having such a good story with strong elements pulled from the older script, 'Mother' must have been a pretty solid piece.
I see Blomkamp doing much the same thing with his 'ALIENS: Something' script. Retaining its core components and building an entirely new script around content that he already has in place. Everyone who read the script seemed to think it was worthwhile and it received the support (to varying degrees) of people closely associated with past movies. With this new trilogy coming out - and let's face it, we know absolutely nothing about anything that comes after 'ALIEN: Covenant' - cannibalising Blomkamp's original script would be a great opportunity to mine for good ideas.
Of course, the person in the best position to do so is Blomkamp. So I say, let's see if Blomkamp is capable of writing and directing for a more contemporary audience. I think he can.
-Windebieste.
Neill might just go back to his original script which didn't include Ripley at all.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 23, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
I've not seen that, but if the chances of this one are "slim" and he was offered the AvP reboot, I wonder if he'd do it anyway. Backtracking and all that.
I doubt it. He seems the type to have his own projects to do if he can't do something else the way he'd like it.
I agree, he'd be an interesting fit for the AVP concept, but as I say... He doesn't like it.
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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 23, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
He hasn't done anything I've liked since 'Dog Soldiers'. If anything disproved to me he'd be a good fit for an 'Alien' film, it was how underwhelming 'The Descent' was.
Blomkamp has 1 ok film and 2 really shitty ones in his CV so far.
The guy is still riding off the good will generated by District 9. His best days are behind him.
+ The concept art he put out looked ridiculous (Ripley wearing a Xeno-Helmet?)
I'd severely disagree. I personally really liked '
Chappie'. The only one I was underwhelmed by was '
Elysium' - and part of why I like about the guy is that he's openly identified to the mistakes he made during that, in a surprisingly public way. He's actively seeking to avoid repeating them in the future.
Compare that to Ridley Scott, whose only known comments on '
Prometheus' are of being satisfied with it. Not a hint that he's listened to (or is aware of) any of the valid criticism against it.
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the suit, but we have no way of knowing if that was a discarded idea, dream sequence or what. I'd imagine it's been changed heavily since speaking with Scott about Engineer-related ideas.
QuoteMeanwhile, Neill Marshall is still doing a damn good job directing the best Game of Thrones episodes.
He'd be a better fit. Easily.
The only one of his I've liked was '
Dog Soldiers'. I thought '
The Descent' was rather awful and it's about the closest to the themes of the '
Alien' films.
Can't receive '
Game Of Thrones', so can't comment about that. Although, I recall the director of the terrible '
Terminator Genisys' was meant to have received praise for doing the same, so... That's not necessarily a mark of quality.
Get a Pixar director to do an Alien film. I'm serious. They understand character, story, timing, suspense, and world-building.
I don't think Scott was 100% happy with it. He has been known to describe 'PROMETHEUS as "florid and grandiose". Not exactly uncritical of his own work. I'm sure there are other examples of him understanding the movie was lacking in some areas.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 23, 2017, 04:19:16 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 05:48:15 AM
I remember when people were saying that Star Wars 7 would never happen.
Lol but neill is the f**king director.
Alien 5 will be made regardless of the director. It might take decades but it will happen.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 24, 2017, 03:51:42 AM
Get a Pixar director to do an Alien film. I'm serious. They understand character, story, timing, suspense, and world-building.
Well, Whedon's already been involved...
He hasn't directed any Pixar stuff though.
Pete Docter or Brad Bird would be worth a try.
Ripley's arc is finished (and I mean the real Ripley), accept it and move on. Sure Blom's film could be fun and I'm not against it per se, but Ripley's ultimate sacrifice just resonates with me and it's thematically satisfying, that's enough for me.
Quote from: SM on Jan 24, 2017, 05:51:13 AM
Pete Docter or Brad Bird would be worth a try.
I find Bird's live action stuff kind of eh.
Tomorrowland had a lot of potential, but was ultimately kinda pointless.
I haven't seen Ghost Protocol, but it got good reviews and box office.
Maybe its for the best if the original Saga remains untouched. I am all in for a high budget Rage Wars TV Series though.
Quote from: Shamo on Jan 24, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Maybe its for the best if the original Saga remains untouched. I am all in for a high budget Rage Wars TV Series though.
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Bet Sharlto Copley's as gutted as some of us are, though.
I read earlier in the thread that this could just be "smart marketing" (as per the original artwork he posted) to get the chatter / pressure going again. If that's the case - and I can only go on circumstantial evidence - it hasn't worked as well.
My facebook was groaning under the weight of commentary when the Hicks/Ripley artwork came out, articles dedicated to speculation, petitions to Fox and all that stuff.
This announcement seems to be more of a footnote for Movieplanet and all those people. Even the Weyland-Yutani Bulletin isn't seething with anger or glee... I'm not sure if all that is just what facebook is showing me or if it just hasn't got the traction of the original... "leak."
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 24, 2017, 02:40:12 AM
Yeah. It's 'Mother' to which I'm referring. It would have been interesting to have seen how that movie panned out if he chose to make it. Nonetheless, the core components ended up being integrated into 'ALIENS'. Considering 'ALIENS' ended up having such a good story with strong elements pulled from the older script, 'Mother' must have been a pretty solid piece.
Thanks guys, I did not know that. How I've spent a quarter of a century obsessing over these movies and never come across that piece of info I have no idea!
So it seems that because Ridley stepped and started doing Covenant, Blomkamp's version was put aside and is now going to stay in development hell.
I do agree with some of the other comments about him doing a Cameron, but going in the opposite direction with the core stuff and making a completely new, original film with it. The i would probably be more open to Weaver and Biehn getting involved, also get Cameron to produce it
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 24, 2017, 03:39:46 AM
The only one of his I've liked was 'Dog Soldiers'. I thought 'The Descent' was rather awful and it's about the closest to the themes of the 'Alien' films.
Can't receive 'Game Of Thrones', so can't comment about that. Although, I recall the director of the terrible 'Terminator Genisys' was meant to have received praise for doing the same, so... That's not necessarily a mark of quality.
Waaa??? I loved the Descent and thought it was brilliant... (we actually had to pause the movie to go outside and breathe air.. I thought it was very effective)
Each their own I guess...
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jan 24, 2017, 08:11:51 AM
Quote from: Shamo on Jan 24, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Maybe its for the best if the original Saga remains untouched. I am all in for a high budget Rage Wars TV Series though.
YES!!!
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Yah, that would be good. And I think the books were probably set up with that in mind...
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 24, 2017, 06:06:55 AM
Ripley's arc is finished (and I mean the real Ripley), accept it and move on. Sure Blom's film could be fun and I'm not against it per se, but Ripley's ultimate sacrifice just resonates with me and it's thematically satisfying, that's enough for me.
It was a vain sacrifice since they got the aliens anyway. Especially if the books are to be treated as canon.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2017, 05:13:33 PMIt was a vain sacrifice since they got the aliens anyway.
You can't really criticise the plot point based on what a sequel did several years later. And even counting the fourth film, she still gave humanity
200 years with no Aliens slaughtering people.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2017, 05:13:33 PMEspecially if the books are to be treated as canon.
Which Fox has said they're not.
So what was the reason why they aren't going to do this??
The trilogy - Alien, Aliens, Alien3 - is thematically and conceptually coherent. The fourth movie is an extension that is not without some merits and puts a clone of Ripley "beyond" what had been done (after confronting the monster, then the monsters, having the monster inside her, this clone of Ripley was the monster and had a strange relationship with the aliens). It has a different spirit (with a focus on humour noir and irony).
An alternate history about Ripley and co. after Aliens is not an heretical idea for me. It could be interesting, if well made. But I found the original end of the character very satisfying. If Alien Covenant is more satisfying than Prometheus, I'll without a doubt prefer a continuation to that trend, rather than a reboot of Ripley's story. I write that while thinking that of course seing Sigourney Weaver in another Alien movie would be cool. But I won't be mad if it is not done.
I have a feeling it'll be fast tracked after Ridley's trilogy. I really do. Sigourney will be older but she'll look the same as she does now...really damn good.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 24, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
I have a feeling it'll be fast tracked after Ridley's trilogy. I really do. Sigourney will be older but she'll look the same as she does now...really damn good.
I hope you're right i really do. :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 24, 2017, 05:17:26 PM
Which Fox has said they're not.
These new ones are.
Why can't they do what Marvel is doing and develop Prometheus sequels and Alien 5 simultaneously? If Prometheus 4 is really going to end with Space Jockey crashing on LV 426; and if Alien 5 really gonna take place 30 years after Aliens, then there should 87 year time difference! Enough time for not any contradictory stuff to happen between the Alien 5 and Promethues sequels.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 24, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
I have a feeling it'll be fast tracked after Ridley's trilogy. I really do. Sigourney will be older but she'll look the same as she does now...really damn good.
It really comes down to Sigourney. If she can push the right buttons (and I believe she can), then it should happen.
I'm really surprised at this given the passing of Carrie Fisher. The studio should know these coming years represent the last opportunity to do something with the character.
Quote from: Creditor on Jan 24, 2017, 06:34:29 PM
Why can't they do what Marvel is doing and develop Prometheus sequels and Alien 5 simultaneously? If Prometheus 4 is really going to end with Space Jockey crashing on LV 426; and if Alien 5 really gonna take place 30 years after Aliens, then there should 87 year time difference! Enough time for not any contradictory stuff to happen between the Alien 5 and Promethues sequels.
Exactly! I mean as long as Blomkamp's film wouldn't give away too much of where Ridley Scott's films are headed.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 24, 2017, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2017, 05:13:33 PMIt was a vain sacrifice since they got the aliens anyway.
You can't really criticise the plot point based on what a sequel did several years later. And even counting the fourth film, she still gave humanity 200 years with no Aliens slaughtering people.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2017, 05:13:33 PMEspecially if the books are to be treated as canon.
Which Fox has said they're not.
Fox has officially stated that the Rage books are not canon?
Quote from: Creditor on Jan 24, 2017, 06:34:29 PMWhy can't they do what Marvel is doing and develop Prometheus sequels and Alien 5 simultaneously?
Because there's not that much hunger for
Alien movies. Marvel can bring out two films a year and people will still flock to see them. They do that with
Alien and people would get bored very quickly.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2017, 07:17:42 PMFox has officially stated that the Rage books are not canon?
No, but they happen so far in the future post-
Resurrection they're a moot point. I was referring to the older ones set pre-
Resurrection that would render he sacrifice in
Alien 3 pointless.
Beacuase Alien is not a so profitable franchise as Star Wars; with Star Wars you can bet every movie will overpass the billion box office, so all the effort and money to fund a movie worth it, but sadly Alien doesn´t :P Probably the only reason the Alien franchise is alive in term of movies is Ridley Scott, either we love or hate Prometheus.
if you think this movie isnt gonna happen your crazy, they are just building up the hype, its gonna happen, too much money and too many fans behind it, relax and wait people, stop looking for spoilers, its coming
Quote from: Gridseeker on Jan 25, 2017, 12:48:52 AM
Beacuase Alien is not a so profitable franchise as Star Wars
It's still very profitable. Practically a guaranteed profit, plus merchandising. Even the lowest rated movie, AVPR, still made a profit.
The Alien brand is a licence to print money.
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I really, really hope ALIEN V is still happening. Sounds like it's a great story and with the backing of James Cameron, that's gotta hold some weight behind it. Neil may be saying "slim" right now because he's tied up I believe currently either filming a movie or in active pre-production on it. It may come down to Weaver's availability as she's slated for Cameron's Avatar sequels as well.
If it sadly *doesn't happen*, I've tweeted to both Neil and Fox that a movie based on the COLONIAL MARINES in the same "ALIENS" universe would be a really cool idea. Alot of potential to show the other "bugs" and alien species that the marines had encountered along with all the cool military tech/weapons. And no, the movie would NOT feature the xenomorph at all but other "nasty" creatures they'd have to combat. I think this would fit into Neil's style of film making as well and his love for military tech/weapons.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 24, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: Creditor on Jan 24, 2017, 06:34:29 PMWhy can't they do what Marvel is doing and develop Prometheus sequels and Alien 5 simultaneously?
Because there's not that much hunger for Alien movies. Marvel can bring out two films a year and people will still flock to see them. They do that with Alien and people would get bored very quickly.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2017, 07:17:42 PMFox has officially stated that the Rage books are not canon?
No, but they happen so far in the future post-Resurrection they're a moot point. I was referring to the older ones set pre-Resurrection that would render he sacrifice in Alien 3 pointless.
Indeed, hence why my emphasis was on Ripley's
arc, and the thematic through-line of her character; the point was that the sacrifice was coherent and satisfactory thematically, since
she's finally free of the nightmare for good. I love the idea that once a character makes contact with the perfect organism, where even if they successfully evade/survive it, that will only be a hollow victory; their insanity and/or fate are sealed. Hence why Ripley's sacrifice is thematically satisfying, despite all the issues that plagued the film. If further sequels are made after the prequels, well it's easy to accept that the perfect organism will always find its way back, especially if its origins are beyond LV-426, therefore it'd be best for all of the human denizens - and all other similar intelligent humanoids for that matter - to adopt the anti-natalist position, because they're not going to beat it for good, ever, thus they're all going to die whether they like it or not. :laugh:
I'd like a Blomkamp ALIEN movie. But I did not want what he was proposing as an Alien 3.2 So in a way I am happy.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jan 25, 2017, 02:18:43 AM
Created a video about this. Take a watch, let me know what your thoughts are!
Great work - I really enjoyed it. I wonder about Covenant bombing hard playing to AlienKaamps hands... its a tough call because if it does fail, would there be the appetite for spin-off/retcon? On the one hand - "we didn't have Ripley - that is why we fail"... on the other "this franchise is weak..."
I just don't know, but thanks so much for putting the video up, great stuff.
If this is "Smart Marketing" as some of you believe, Blomkamp has done a stellar job of creating a few corners of negativity and hostility to Covenant and Ridley Scott quite adeptly; Blomkamp can only blame himself for releasing his concept art online with no prior green light to make his film. Prometheus has had a hard enough time as it is. It's flawed, but the nitpicking it endured was beyond absurd, especially when similar complaints could be levelled at both Alien and Aliens which are the two most beloved and untouchable films of the series. If you hated the explanation behind the Engineers or the Space Jockey, then fair enough, but if you want to explores the stupidities and fractured logic of the series, the first two films can't escape them either.
I think what Blomkamp has done will not be forgotten by certain people. He must have known that Scott had plans for his own films skipping in and jumping on toes was not good form. Scott didn't suddenly decide to make Covenant because Blomlamps film had a moment of interest, Scott has wanted to do these films since before Promtheus was released. For those that have already decided they will hate Covenant, this is the moaning you're going to be seeing ad nausem for years to come "but we coulkd have had such a cool Aliens 5, Scott shut it down"
That is balls.
Plus, the major criticism I hear about the Covenant trailer is that it seems somehow unoriginal, are there the same people who believe that Colonial Marines, big guns, and long dead characters is fresh and exciting?
Quote from: SM on Jan 24, 2017, 05:51:13 AM
He hasn't directed any Pixar stuff though.
No, but he co-wrote '
Toy Story'.
Quote from: Hemi on Jan 24, 2017, 01:10:13 PM
Waaa??? I loved the Descent and thought it was brilliant... (we actually had to pause the movie to go outside and breathe air.. I thought it was very effective)
Each their own I guess...
'
Human Centipede' had that effect on me, but '
The Descent' didn't. It's got a good sense of claustrophobia and characterisation, but the pacing dragged and I honestly found the 'monster' designs absolutely laughable. There was zero tension in it for me, once I knew what they were meant to be. So much so, that I honestly believe the script would have required minimal changes to have been transformed into a horror-comedy.
Ironically, '
The Cave' dealt with a similar idea and was released at a similar time, but had the opposite problems: Beautiful cinematography and viable threat, but relatively superficial in all the other ways.
But, yeah, '
The Descent' rather underwhelmed me. Plus, criminally under-used the excellent Alex Reid. :)
But he didn't direct Toy Story.
Scott doesn't want anyone to steal his thunder and from what I've seen so far about Covenant, that won't be hard to do.
YES, YES!!!!!!
Finally Fox got some criteria
f**k you, Ridley Scott.
Covenant is going to be Prometheus 1.1, I expect absolutely nothing good.
This has nothing to do with Scott.
If Scott hadn't said he wanted to do Covenant and more Alien movies, the studio would have went to Blomkamp's Alien 5. They were even like greenlighted him already!
Covenant started preproduction before Blomkamp's idea was picked up. Multiple sequels to Covenant had been spoken about before Blomkamp was picked up.
Indeed, also, The Wrap reported back in March 2014 that what was then just known as Prometheus 2 was going to be more "Alien-y" and feature multiple Fassbenders. Blomkamp's fan art surfaced in January 2015. Thus, FOX had already capitalized on the idea of returning to the franchise's roots long before Blomkamp's ideas, and that is precisely due to the divisive reaction of Prometheus. Claims that Scott suddenly shifted course are baseless.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 26, 2017, 05:56:44 AM
Indeed, also, The Wrap reported back in March 2014 that what was then just known as Prometheus 2 was going to be more "Alien-y" and feature multiple Fassbenders. Blomkamp's fan art surfaced in January 2015. Thus, FOX had already capitalized on the idea of returning to the franchise's roots long before Blomkamp's ideas, and that is precisely due to the divisive reaction of Prometheus. Claims that Scott suddenly shifted course are baseless.
This man's got a memory and a fine brain.
Anything is still possible. Its Hollywood. The decision goes from one movie to the next. If Alien Covenant rocks- and makes money- they will reinvest in ideas.
I am sad of course, if Alien 5 does not happen. I want more Alien on the Big Screen! Way more.
The Question is- must it really be Ripley? I am still torn as much as I love her and Hicks.
But The Predator could also rock! And with the Alien and the Predator presences reinvigorated-
Rage Wars! They have to it! Including Videogames!
Bloncamp could be part of that. Or do something after it, because we will need a new story as well! Post rage wars! Mechs and Biomechs and new Aliens and shit. I think Blonkamp should completely go off the rails instead of making an Aliens Fan Fiction. Gimme that Alien King! Make the whole movie a VR Experience!
Push everything to the Limit! I dont want Alien to be some fan niche! These movies changed cinema and pop culture forever! Lets get on with that!
If I look at District 9- I think Blonkamp could really explore the relations between Humans and Predators post Rage Wars. Even put Engineers and Synthetics in the mix. Or just expand rage wars. Explore the Rage more psychologically. I think that two different senses of reality, different kind of consciousness clashing- is a theme lingering in all of Blonkamps movies. And I think Blonkamp is quiet talented in hinting at these in a subtle but effective and emotionally capturing way. I could connect with the aliens from district 9 and chappy- but I never felt they were too human. Perfect for the more expanded Alien universe.
Anything is possible. This universe is brewing man. So much potential! We all must keep up the hype here!
For now I am just happy I will see Alien Covenant, have some hi-quality Comics, and get an Alien Covenant VR Experience. I bought Playstation VR after it was announced here!
Especially I want to see new Alien Variations- or a more layered exploration of the Aliens nature in future movies.
This is why Covenant, with the Neomorphs and what not and the whole Origin mythology has still the greatest pull on me.
To be honest- the Aliens are getting kind of dulled lately. Especially in the books and Comics, and the AVP movies. The original Quadrilogy was interesting, because you had a feeling that each installment was exploring the Alien Nature a bit further. The first Alien was like a lone warrior whose molecular texture blended in with the ship environment! This is a keypoint thats missing in the lore lately. It wasn't chance that the Alien looked like a pipe in the last scene. I am not saying its shape shifting but- it is because the Alien is born on a ship, it looks the way it does. And in Aliens the texture was different because they were from the planet.
Each installment added new things. Genetic Mutations depending on the host, hive mind, hybrid Aliens who connected with Ripley- I loved that man. For me the scene were Ripley is carried by an hybrid alien- Ripley being a hybrid herself is Iconic to me. The lines begins to blur. And the Aliens in Resurrection felt like they had emotions!
When Cristie blew the facehuggers- the hybrid in the water looked pissed and went to get him! And got him later!
The Newborn and the Queen- the Queen had affection. The Newborn Alien Girl was completely psycho. Something that should not exist. And Ripley who can feel all of the Aliens minds- I think it was a really interesting route. When she kills the Newborn- it feels like this is her daughter who has become the nightmare- dying painfully sucked into outta space while screaming something resembling Mama, Ripley chosing humans over Xenomorphs whose sheer wild will of existence she can feel now, because of an android- Resurrection really had crazy ideas. Your not gonna retcon that.
Resurrection to me is a surreal amplification of the Alien Universe and should remain untouched.
Sorry I trailed of a little bit. But it felt good :)
Quote from: Russ on Jan 25, 2017, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jan 25, 2017, 02:18:43 AM
Created a video about this. Take a watch, let me know what your thoughts are!
Great work - I really enjoyed it. I wonder about Covenant bombing hard playing to AlienKaamps hands... its a tough call because if it does fail, would there be the appetite for spin-off/retcon? On the one hand - "we didn't have Ripley - that is why we fail"... on the other "this franchise is weak..."
I just don't know, but thanks so much for putting the video up, great stuff.
Thank you very much! I encourage people to watch my video to hear my thoughts.
To elaborate on a point you made, Ripley (the character, her thematic trends) made the Alien movies what they are. Sure you had a horrific space wasp species, claustrophobic and terror-inducing settings, appropriate music, etc, but Ripley was and certainly is central to the films. Without her, an Alien film would feel lacking, but that doesn't mean it would fail guaranteed.
Most of the comic stories succeed without shoe-horning Ripley into them (they tell a complete story, not necessarily a good one mind you). The AvP PC games do not include her. I firmly believe we can have an Alien film without the need for Ripley.
I feel like if Covenant exceeds box office expectations, there'll be a Covenant sequel and A5 greenlit. There has to be a very heavy appetite though. $600mm ww at least.
Quote from: Shamo on Jan 26, 2017, 11:30:24 PM
I am sad of course, if Alien 5 does not happen. I want more Alien on the Big Screen! Way more.
Sorry I trailed of a little bit. But it felt good :)
I don't agree with everything you say here, Shamo, but I'm fully with your enthusiasm. So much "fandom" is utterly negative - we're living in era that, when I was young, is an age undreamed of. Superhero movies coming out of arses, video game franchises on the big screen, attempts to reinvigorate (for better or worse) this beloved franchise... yet so much of what I read just wants to piss on everything.
It's really great to read something that isn't negative and fully behind "more great stuff please."
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jan 27, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
I firmly believe we can have an Alien film without the need for Ripley.
I do too - they've done it with AvP(s) and now Prometheus and Covenant. The thing is... if Covenant fails, will they fall back to Rippers and Hicks or just ditch it. Many people want to see the "real" Alien3 that Blomkamp pitched (honestly, we're living in a fan bubble here - the care factor outside fandom regarding the merits of the theatrical vs assembly cut of cubed, eggmorphing, how the facehugger got on the Sulaco etc is probably zero)... so it'll be interesting to see what happens!
yeah well fox and ridley can stick alien covenant were the sun don't shine, they used bullshit in the lead up to Prometheus that'll be a prequel, was far off, they new people wouldn't support a sequel so fox changed course, and then tried to renew interest again, well fark use, I isn't watching in theatres and I ain't buying the film.
Jeez,
Its like some people are just fans of Ripley rather than Alien.
Blomkamp has done NOTHING to say he would produce anything other than a pile of turgid fan fiction, which would appeal to a few thousand people, making 0 cash & thus leaving Alien on the pile of FORMERLY great franchise that is now ruined thanks to this Ripley obsession.
What about when, the worst happens & Ms Weaver finally succumbs to old age? I know lets put her in CGI!!
Get real people
First off, welcome to the board. Second, let's keep it civil please, gilly. We're all friends here. :)
Quote from: gilly69 on Jan 27, 2017, 02:44:26 PM
Jeez,
Its like some people are just fans of Ripley rather than Alien.
Blomkamp has done NOTHING to say he would produce anything other than a pile of turgid fan fiction, which would appeal to a few thousand people, making 0 cash & thus leaving Alien on the pile of FORMERLY great franchise that is now ruined thanks to this Ripley obsession.
What about when, the worst happens & Ms Weaver finally succumbs to old age? I know lets put her in CGI!!
Get real people
Fantastic first post!!! :laugh:
Apart from the bit about the appeal and how much money it would make...
Is SM prepared for another newbie's theory about how Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco?
Damn, what would be the sites opinion on using cgi to resurrect a dead actor...
Considering I've never seen it look not-fake, no thanks.
Wouldn't need to CGI Ripley in if her story was given a satisfying ending. Alien 3 gave her an ending that basically said that if you encounter the Alien, your life is over... figuratively as well as literally. And while that ending may be satisfying for a lot of people, there's likely a lot of people who felt that Ripley sacrificed enough by drifting in space for 57 years and loosing her daughter.
Those same people likely feel that Aliens opened a door for Ripley (along with Hicks and Newt, both fellow Survivors) to have something of a life after their run-ins with the Alien and that something of a life would involve closure on the Alien as well as Weyland-Yutani. And to those people, Alien 5 might be viewed as closure. And if closure was a good enough reason for Amanda in Alien: Isolation, it's a good enough reason for the Survivors in Alien 5.
I want Alien 5... so feel free to lump me in with the 1000 or so people that Gilly mentioned who would be happy with it. At least if Alien 5 gets made, we won't have to worry about a CGI Ripley... because Alien 5 is supposed to give Ripley the closure that Alien 3 failed to deliver for those people like me who want Alien 5.
there is this petition. well i wont vote. its just would be...weird. the death of Hicks and Newt serwed a very big purpose in the story and i dont want to piss on it cause i like those characters.
plus i cant believe it wont be weird and cheesy with 100% protected characters trough out the whole movie
Quote from: szkoki on Jan 29, 2017, 04:03:20 PM
there is this petition.
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/neill-blomkamp-for-alien5/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=button
For those who do want Alien 5. Will Robbie, admin of WY-Bulletin, created this. I haven't signed it myself as I'm not sure I even want it but it's here for whose of you who do.
Lol. Petitions don't work, and he'd need more than 1,000 signatures. Way more.
Brings back memories of that David Twohy-AvP 3 petition ahahaha.
As I haven't gotten around to responding on people's comments towards your attitude in the James Cameron topic, allow me to one last time warn you again about coming around with that horrendous attitude of yours. Absolutely bored of seeing you throw up a "lol. What a bunch of dumb twat" type comments. Please enjoy a brief break in being able to post and insult others. When/if you come back, I expect to see a change in your holier than thou attitude.
Speaking without the assumption that I'm better than anyone here, a petition is a long shot and I do agree it would take far more than a 1000 votes to go anyway. I do honestly think that the response online went a long way towards getting Fox to take Blomkamp's pitch seriously so if something like this is able to pick up traction, I wouldn't be surprised if it does help.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2017, 06:24:15 PM
As I haven't gotten around to responding on people's comments towards your attitude in the James Cameron topic, allow me to one last time warn you again about coming around with that horrendous attitude of yours. Absolutely bored of seeing you throw up a "lol. What a bunch of dumb twat" type comments. Please enjoy a brief break in being able to post and insult others. When/if you come back, I expect to see a change in your holier than thou attitude.
Speaking without the assumption that I'm better than anyone here, a petition is a long shot and I do agree it would take far more than a 1000 votes to go anyway. I do honestly think that the response online went a long way towards getting Fox to take Blomkamp's pitch seriously so if something like this is able to pick up traction, I wouldn't be surprised if it does help.
While most online petitions don't get a studio's attention that's not always the case. There was a fan movement for the release of the director's cut of
Clive Barker's Nightbreed which the studio eventually did put out because of the high demand.
If the fans can build up momentum for this project and keep busting Fox's balls it can happen. First I'd start a page on Facebook. Write letters to people in charge at Fox. The fans are the only hope sometimes for making things happen.
I remember people starting a petition for a Dredd sequel due to how good the first film was, but that film didn't make enough profit for the studio to warrant a sequel.
I wonder how the petition went, I haven't heard any news of a Dredd sequel. I'd love to see one though.
Studios will listen to a petition if they think it might make them some money.
Petitions have seen success in the past and currently as well. Change.org has sent me many email updates on petitions that were successful in completing their missions. Granted, that is more on the social justice side of things (where voices really make a difference) but there's no reason if this gets 50,000 signiatures that FOX won't consider it a popular idea. Look at the hype that happened when Blomkamp released his concept art. It faded after news of Covenant-related stuff because that was actually being made, and all focus is on that project (love or hate it).
Petitions can and do work. I ran a petition called Save TSL Movement to reverse a C&D filed by Activision against a PC fan game based on King's Quest. Everyone said it wouldn't work.... but it garnered over 10k signatures. We also did a letter campaign where we would send letters to Activision and once a week, we printed out every petition signature and mailed it Certified/Return Receipt to Activision HQ as well as a Facebook group and a demographics survey.
After about two months and a LOT of PR from assorted websites, we managed to get Activision to sit down with the fan group and they were able to hammer out an agreement to finish The Silver Lining.
So long story short... petitions do have the ability to work, if they are taken seriously and enough publicity is generated to keep the petition in the eyes of the public for as long as possible. This petition has already generated just under 1000 signatures in a few hours. If the petition writer can keep the pressure on, it has the potential to make some waves.
Letters are really strong too. Heart felt letters that go beyond "please make this movie." I'm thinking of writing one.
Well, I signed the petition. Moreover, I have just converted the Facebook page "Aliens Continuity Change" over to a page which is now focused on saving Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5 project. Please join below and let your voice be heard...
https://www.facebook.com/Aliens.Continuity.Change/
Is there a petition to stop the project?
Quote from: SiL on Jan 30, 2017, 02:40:30 AM
Is there a petition to stop the project?
No, unless you want to start one.
I thought when he made announcement that Fox seemed ok with it, and that they were going to wait till after Covvie comes out??
Unless they liked what they seen with A:C that they've decided to stick with the rest of his trilogy??
Originally he was going to do Covenant first and then they'd work on Alien 3.2. Ridley wanted to take a more hands-on role with executive producing roles on 3.2 and he couldn't do that while working on Covenant and Blade Runner at the same time. I still think there was also a concern about market saturation and seeing how well Covvie performed too.
I think the delay has just meant that timing is now going to get in the way. Blomkamp obviously wasn't going to just sit around and wait and is now working on a new project and Weaver has her Avatar commitments.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2017, 11:41:59 AM
Originally he was going to do Covenant first and then they'd work on Alien 3.2. Ridley wanted to take a more hands-on role with executive producing roles on 3.2 and he couldn't do that while working on Covenant and Blade Runner at the same time. I still think there was also a concern about market saturation and seeing how well Covvie performed too.
I think the delay has just meant that timing is now going to get in the way. Blomkamp obviously wasn't going to just sit around and wait and is now working on a new project and Weaver has her Avatar commitments.
Yeah figured as much. It will take awhile before she's done with Avatar so if Covvie is a hit then let him finish up his story.
I think a TV Series based around Hicks and Newt and loosely around the Aliens novels by Steve and S.D. Perry would be ideal. I'm sure that, even if this project fell through, Biehn and Sigourney would be all about doing one in the future - of course, due to her age, Ripley would only play a cameo role in the series. But, a Series with Hicks and Newt as the male and female leads respectively with a dark/horror bent to it that preserved the mystery and Lovecraftian beastliness of the Alien would be most ideal.
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Jan 30, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
I think a TV Series based around Hicks and Newt and loosely around the Aliens novels by Steve and S.D. Perry would be ideal. I'm sure that, even if this project fell through, Biehn and Sigourney would be all about doing one in the future - of course, due to her age, Ripley would only play a cameo role in the series. But, a Series with Hicks and Newt as the male and female leads respectively with a dark/horror bent to it that preserved the mystery and Lovecraftian beastliness of the Alien would be most ideal.
That would work. A loose adaptation of the major themes in Verheiden's graphic novels would be ideal...
A TV show based on Aliens would have to be high budget to work, even then it could still come off unintentionally cheesy. That... And we all know some studio exec will just go "Well... Having Aliens on screen costs a lot... How about we make them telepathically posess humans instead, or shapeshift into people and only revert back on season finales?" It always goes that way... :'(
Quote from: Kurai on Jan 31, 2017, 12:15:09 AM
... we all know some studio exec will just go "Well... Having Aliens on screen costs a lot... How about we make them telepathically posess humans instead, or shapeshift into people and only revert back on season finales?"
Sign me up.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 30, 2017, 02:40:30 AM
Is there a petition to stop the project?
:D ;D
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 31, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 30, 2017, 02:40:30 AM
Is there a petition to stop the project?
:D ;D
Now, where's that Goddammed 'LIKE!' Button?
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Kurai on Jan 31, 2017, 12:15:09 AM
A TV show based on Aliens would have to be high budget to work, even then it could still come off unintentionally cheesy. That... And we all know some studio exec will just go "Well... Having Aliens on screen costs a lot... How about we make them telepathically posess humans instead, or shapeshift into people and only revert back on season finales?" It always goes that way... :'(
What? That would be wholly unnecessary. Just bring back the slow, foreboding, ominous sense of dread from
Alien. Suspense is key.
I thought a Wey-Yu Files thing would work. Where two company agents start to uncover stuff and get more and more involved. You could have all sorts of fun with that, I reckon, and you could expand the universe beyond Xenos and Predators (so you could also have your cheaper body snatcher guys as well)
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Jan 31, 2017, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: Kurai on Jan 31, 2017, 12:15:09 AM
What? That would be wholly unnecessary. Just bring back the slow, foreboding, ominous sense of dread from Alien. Suspense is key.
I agree whole-heartedly, but history is cruel to sci-fi with wholly inhuman appearences. Look at the Stargate series after the first movie, look at Falling Skys... Heck, look at the Starship Troopers sequels. They'll find a way to replace the Aliens with actors and they'll feature a lot to get the money's worth out of the actors. It would take someone really dedicated to helm the project and chances are they'd be given the sack by executives for going against stupid decisions. :'(
Quote from: Russ on Jan 31, 2017, 09:40:37 AM
I thought a Wey-Yu Files thing would work. Where two company agents start to uncover stuff and get more and more involved. You could have all sorts of fun with that, I reckon, and you could expand the universe beyond Xenos and Predators (so you could also have your cheaper body snatcher guys as well)
That could actually work bloody well, they could even call it "the Company". XD
I'm against the Aliens "2"/ Alien 3.2/ Alienkamp. Which is strange because I'd love to see it as well, I just hate the core idea of it. Blomkamp should definitely direct a future Alien film as well as oversee all the visual stuff but keep him away from the writing, please, that isn't his strong point.
Quote from: Kurai on Jan 31, 2017, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Jan 31, 2017, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: Kurai on Jan 31, 2017, 12:15:09 AM
What? That would be wholly unnecessary. Just bring back the slow, foreboding, ominous sense of dread from Alien. Suspense is key.
I agree whole-heartedly, but history is cruel to sci-fi with wholly inhuman appearences. Look at the Stargate series after the first movie, look at Falling Skys... Heck, look at the Starship Troopers sequels. They'll find a way to replace the Aliens with actors and they'll feature a lot to get the money's worth out of the actors. It would take someone really dedicated to helm the project and chances are they'd be given the sack by executives for going against stupid decisions. :'(
Quote from: Russ on Jan 31, 2017, 09:40:37 AM
I thought a Wey-Yu Files thing would work. Where two company agents start to uncover stuff and get more and more involved. You could have all sorts of fun with that, I reckon, and you could expand the universe beyond Xenos and Predators (so you could also have your cheaper body snatcher guys as well)
Bloody hell, why don't we combine these ideas and start a petition of our own? 8)
My estimation, 20th Century Fox release about 2 Alien films per decade, so Alien 5 will come out late 2020s after Ridley's final prequel is made. Unless Alien Covenant performs below expectations (it won't bomb)
To be honest I'm glad I'm not a fan of the idea of it being a direct sequel to Aliens and retconning Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection both of which I love I would much rather it was a stand alone sequel to the previous 4 films