Check it out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17701436 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17701436)
"The film is violent and tense but Sir Ridley - who has been an outspoken critic of the current rules of film ratings - insists he "cut as much he could to open the film to a wider audience."'
"It has to be about the movie, so I've made concessions. There's a moment where you don't want to harm the movie."
"But he acknowledges its a case of simple economics and getting an 18 certificate "could be the difference of $80m or more"".
Or in my opinion, the 18 rating, could have been the reason it grosses more than you can imagine.
Then there is a chance we get a directors vut in the future whatever Ridley now say is no to that, give him 5 years and we will have one probably :P
Well this is why older films were better, they didnt care. Movies were always 18 rated
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:29:54 PM
Well this is why older films were better, they didnt care. Movies were always 18 rated
Amen
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:29:54 PM
Well this is why older films were better, they didnt care. Movies were always 18 rated
To be fair, if promethues came out at the same time as Alien it would probably be X rated.
However I agree that nowadays problem with big budget films is that in order justify the budget unnecessary changes get made.
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:29:54 PM
Well this is why older films were better, they didnt care. Movies were always 18 rated
Haha yeah. Back in the early 90's when i was barely into my teens me and my younger brother were getting into all sorts of films that i am sure that were carrying an R18+ rating. Alien3, Freddy's Dead, Universal Soldier etc.... Not sure what it's like these days, but they must be getting stricter on it because it seems to be having an impact on the amount of gore in films.
"...cut as much he could to open the film to a wider audience."
:'( :'( :'( >:(
Does he mean content like gore, scares, tension, etc? Or content like longer exposition and character scenes that were cut for running time considerations? :/ either way
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 07:59:21 PM
Does he mean content like gore, scares, tension, etc? Or content like longer exposition and character scenes that were cut for running time considerations? :/ either way
I would like to see dialogue put back in. Character moments. I'm not fussed about gore. There have definitely been dialogue trims, there was a clip in marketing that showed Holloway during the brieifing telling Shaw to "keep it scientific" etc.
I can't WAIT for the DVD then!
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jun 03, 2012, 08:05:29 PM
I would like to see dialogue put back in. Character moments. I'm not fussed about gore. There have definitely been dialogue trims, there was a clip in marketing that showed Holloway during the brieifing telling Shaw to "keep it scientific" etc.
There was also a scene in the trailer after finding the star map Holloway says to Shaw "You're smiling" wasn't in the film though.
I think maybe that hints that they were editing this film right up to the wire. Maybe now the release date pressure is out of the way Ridley might have the time to mull over the Director's cut.
DVD thats s last year, am waiting for the VHS.
Quote from: arogony on Jun 03, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
I can't WAIT for the DVD then!
I haven't seen Kingdom Of Heaven but I have heard many people say that the Directors Cut of that film is vastly superior to the theatrical release to the point theyre almost like night and day. Would be great if this was the case with Prometheus (tho I know its wishful thinking cause theres just too many problems that extra footage etc won't solve).
^ It is. Eva Greens character benefits greatly from some of the re-inserted scenes. The film still has issues, but the DC is an improvement hands down.
I'd take what Ridley says these days about not planning to do a DC of Prometheus with a grain of salt. If he confirmed such plans just days after the film has been released theatrically, it might be interpreted as a guilty plea as to whether the released cut is the best cut or not...
Goddammit. If he's not willing to release and alternate version called the 'Director's Cut', there should at least be something of a proper alternate 'Uncut' version.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jun 03, 2012, 08:59:20 PM
Goddammit. If he's not willing to release and alternate version called the 'Director's Cut', there should at least be something of a proper alternate 'Uncut' version.
If the deleted scenes section is in good quality, appropriate grading, half decent soud mix etc, then we're a few steps away from a fan edit at least.
Knowing how far Charles de Lauzirika likes to go with the presentation of deleted material, that'll probably be the case. I'd expect music, proper grading, polished sound effects, the works. Should this stuff be of the usual standard, I can't imagine it'd be too tricky to drop the extra bits in. That is, if somebody felt the need to (and I'm sure they will).
Of course hes gonna say he is happy with the theatrical cut. He is not going to do the opposite as it would affect the ££$$£$£$. I think a few months down the line, it will be BAM, I wasnt happy with the theatrical cut. Then people will be looking forward to the blu ray release of the film, again pulling in even more ££$£$£$££$.
Quote from: Vyse on Jun 03, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Of course hes gonna say he is happy with the theatrical cut. He is not going to do the opposite as it wouldnt affect the ££$$£$£$. I think a few months down the line, it will be BAM, I wasnt happy with the theatrical cut. Then people will be looking forward to the blu ray release of the film, again pulling in even more ££$£$£$££$.
Not necessarily. He really might be happy with it.
For all we know, any deleted footage might actually make it worse or more confusing. Heck, there's a certain scene right at the end which I wish
had either been completely or partially cut.
I just read the brandnew interview he did with Damon. I'd have loved to see the dream scene he described with David & Weyland, but alas it was never filmed. The film could use some more interaction between Weyland, David and Vickers.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 07:59:21 PM
Does he mean content like gore, scares, tension, etc? Or content like longer exposition and character scenes that were cut for running time considerations? :/ either way
Here's the rest quote from the original article.
""It isn't real - I have monsters. Like the monsters in Lord of the Rings, for kids they were pretty scary but they got a PG-13 because their blood was black, that's rubbish"."
Yes, he did mention getting a 18 certificate could be less numbers but sounds like he did NOT necessarily cut Prometheus or its gore whatever.
Actually it's the reporter's words that he cut the film, not from Ridley's "direct" quote.
This is a radio interview he did for BBC Radio 5 Live I posted a few days ago, dont know if its the same thing since Scott has repeated himself a lot, but what he does confirm (below) is there is other stuff he wanted to add to Prometheus.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43898.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43898.0)
Bloody knew it. You can tell from all the deaths and how short they are that they were cut. Especially Fifields and Milburn. And the fight between shaw and the engineer. And Kate dickies and weylands death. Well basically every violent scene of the film has been cut I bet. Shot an 18 film and cut it to 15
Sleep in peace Cvlada, sleep in peace. :laugh:
fu*k economics
How do movies like the Hunger Games where underage kids hack eachother to bits get pg13 ratings and a movie like Prometheus would have content cut to maintain a rating of R. Sounds like a load of bull to me.
Ridley's interview with BBC's Kermode basically confirms there'll be a DIrector's Cut " Yeah there's stuff I'd like to see - never say never"
Bring it on. Bladerunner wasn't perfect on original release - infact it bombed. Prometheus needs time I think - after watching the 2D print yesterday, I'm already warming more to it.
Fifield, Milburn, Weyland and Dickie definitely suffer from cuts. Blu-Ray it is then.
It was already basically there between the lines that what was submitted and what Rothman and pals refused to compromise was an already compromised -- to some extent -- cut. They just didn't want to go TOO far and do ANYTHING for a PG-13.
Sounds like Ridley compromised his own film for the sake of a profit margin. That's a shame and a far cry from his days making Alien, when scenes were merely cut for the sake of the film's pacing.
Quote from: Divpax on Jun 03, 2012, 06:39:41 PM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:29:54 PM
Well this is why older films were better, they didnt care. Movies were always 18 rated
To be fair, if promethues came out at the same time as Alien it would probably be X rated.
However I agree that nowadays problem with big budget films is that in order justify the budget unnecessary changes get made.
If the theatre cut of Dawn of the Dead was "R", then Prometheus would be an "R" as well.
It's all about budget to rating to audience ratio.
*inflation wise alien cost roughly 31 million to make in comparison to the 120 million minimum we see being tossed around for prometheus. Maybe he should have tightened his belt, got more completely unknown actors[actors are meaningless] and forced himself to do it for 40-50 million. It might not look as pretty, but f**k pretty.
so.. after listening to Scotts interview with simon and mark on 5live, it does seem that certain scenes got cut.. like this one: http://www.movie-moron.com/wp-content/gallery/trailer/prometheus-trailer-3.jpg (http://www.movie-moron.com/wp-content/gallery/trailer/prometheus-trailer-3.jpg)
will we see a directors cut dvd?
He aint kidding!!! pitty we wernt told this was hacked to bits before we shelled out £11.50 to go an watch it. What happened to the cast iron statement "not one scene will be cut" oh sorry we lied about that.
Well you can take this for certain, if the BluRay isnt a lenghty 3 hour directors cut i wont be buying.
Fords death was odd. She was thrown to the stairs and then that was it. Surely that was just a bruised rib.
Quote from: dave1978 on Jun 04, 2012, 06:41:44 PM
He aint kidding!!! pitty we wernt told this was hacked to bits before we shelled out £11.50 to go an watch it. What happened to the cast iron statement "not one scene will be cut" oh sorry we lied about that.
What of course was meant by the "not one scene will be cut" statement from Rothman was presumably that "not one scene will be cut" from the final print that Ridley offered Fox .......... which had perhaps already been cut substantially to please Fox (shorter running time = more theatrical screenings per day).
Quote from: Eva on Jun 03, 2012, 09:58:48 PM
I just read the brandnew interview he did with Damon. I'd have loved to see the dream scene he described with David & Weyland, but alas it was never filmed. The film could use some more interaction between Weyland, David and Vickers.
I'm sure we'll get some nice Ridleygrams of this scene. ;)
Quote from: BobbyK on Jun 04, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
Fords death was odd. She was thrown to the stairs and then that was it. Surely that was just a bruised rib.
Again, this is one surely for the Director's Cut - which has been tantalised at by Scott in his BBC interview.
I think ALL of the death's were edited heavily, even Shaw's final clash with the Engineer. The whole movie needs another 30min of character development and less soundtrack. More stillness before the storm.
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Jun 04, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Quote from: BobbyK on Jun 04, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
Fords death was odd. She was thrown to the stairs and then that was it. Surely that was just a bruised rib.
Again, this is one surely for the Director's Cut - which has been tantalised at by Scott in his BBC interview.
I think ALL of the death's were edited heavily, even Shaw's final clash with the Engineer. The whole movie needs another 30min of character development and less soundtrack. More stillness before the storm.
The violence in particular seemed edited down to its bare minimum. If the MPAA gave the movie an R, then they may as well have went full bore with what ever they shot. Much like Del Toro did with Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark, when the MPAA refused to pass it as a PG-13. He put stuff back in (and I think they even shot new footage) that at least took advantage of its R rating.
The only thing's that struck me as brutal were some of the sound effects. Fifield punching the mechanic through the helmet etc.
Not that I'm saying extra gore or violence makes for a better film, but if you get an R rating, then f@ck it, you may as well go for it.
it was obviously edited for a pg13. pretty obvious when they censored fifields "go f**k yourself ".
we were suckered
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well the more they talk the more they will sell the directors cut
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 04, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
it was obviously edited for a pg13. pretty obvious when they censored fifields "go f**k yourself ".
we were suckered
You gotta be kidding me! If they were gonna edit shit like that, why didn't they just cut a little more and make it a PG-13? That's stupid.
Quote from: GreatKnower on Jun 03, 2012, 06:24:36 PM
Check it out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17701436 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17701436)
"The film is violent and tense but Sir Ridley - who has been an outspoken critic of the current rules of film ratings - insists he "cut as much he could to open the film to a wider audience."'
"It has to be about the movie, so I've made concessions. There's a moment where you don't want to harm the movie."
"But he acknowledges its a case of simple economics and getting an 18 certificate "could be the difference of $80m or more"".
Or in my opinion, the 18 rating, could have been the reason it grosses more than you can imagine.
He said "Not one frame will be cut."
He said nothing about scenes. :)
I was just watching the beginning and in the scene
Spoiler
with the engineer drinking the black goo, he drinks that, starts to get affected, a shot on his face in a position, then bam, the next shot is the one from the trailer with his head f**ked up looking at his hand. that scene was cut like shit. i'm sure there were more shots to that
Also ll the beginning of the film seems have shots missing. The opening sequence i feel was too short, and has a very quick pace to it. And it reminded me of Star trek together with the music
It doesn't matter if you watched the whole thing or not, its that you pretty much gave him a link to a P2P site. That's a no no here.
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 05, 2012, 02:19:09 AM
It doesn't matter if you watched the whole thing or not, its that you pretty much gave him a link to a P2P site. That's a no no here.
i think you meant to post that in the other thread, and i didn't give anyone any link, i just said there's a cam rip on a torrent site. ::)
Shit, it was. :laugh:
Listen, dude, I'm just trying to help you not get banned. That is one of the more enforced rules here.
ok i understand, but it's kinda silly if you can even say the following thin:''hey guys there is a bla,bla, movie available on torrent sites. it's like fight club, you don't even talk about it lol :))
:laugh: Dig the reference.
What I seen, now, forgive me if this was form a different user, you posted the full name of the rip you downloaded. Now, all I would have to do is google that and I could find it. That's what I meant. But, you do whatever you want. This thread is about Ridley lying to us about cuts.
That bastard.
*Reads title of the thread*
Pieces of the film were cut out? SAY WHAT? How unusual. This has never been done before.
Seriously, what did you guys expect?
Quote from: evolution_rex on Jun 05, 2012, 04:08:46 AM
*Reads title of the thread*
Pieces of the film were cut out? SAY WHAT? How unusual. This has never been done before.
Seriously, what did you guys expect?
Deleted scenes are one thing, I think most people here are wondering where the rest of the movie is.
Yep, deleted chapters are what im hoping for.
Great Scott! an extended version is a definite! Scott himself made confirmation of that already, saying that is what the market bears these days. The only question is--how long until they inevitably release it? I am somewhat disappointed if much was compromised for the sake of running time. "The Dark Knight Rises" is going to be 2hrs and 45 min long in theaters when released after all.
I'm hoping that a Director's Cut will be released on DVD and Blu-ray at the same time as the theatrical cut, perhaps even on the same disc(s). However, I fear that Fox will be greedy and release it at LEAST a few months after the theatrical cut.
Having said that, I feel that a Director's Cut should involve removing segments too, specifically those of unnecessary exposition and also chopping out as much of the awful dialogue as is possible without remiving anything that's really necessary.
Damon Lindelof should be ashamed of himself for his awful contributions to this film.
I'd like to see some of the music removed too, or replaced with something much better - most of it is so bland and generic and is played during scenes that would be better with no music at all.
Quote from: JonesTheCat on Jun 05, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Damon Lindelof should be ashamed of himself for his awful contributions to this film.
In fairness, we still don't know what the original script he worked on was like. It could have been worse.
Actually, Prometheus can not be discussed along with the The Dark Knight Rises.. Because The Dark Knight made $1 billion in the box office, PG-13 rating is a joke.
Decisions about the Prometheus and The Dark Knight Rises (from the development point of view), are thus totally different..
:D
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 05, 2012, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: JonesTheCat on Jun 05, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Damon Lindelof should be ashamed of himself for his awful contributions to this film.
In fairness, we still don't know what the original script he worked on was like. It could have been worse.
Worse? That would be one hell of an achievement. Up until now i always thought that Cameron wrote awful dialogue, but in comparison to what we heard in Prometheus, Cameron's dialogue is positively Shakespearean.
Unless they cut out at least one hours worth of footage, I doubt an extra 20min would make any difference to the crappy story.
Quote from: JonesTheCat on Jun 05, 2012, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 05, 2012, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: JonesTheCat on Jun 05, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Damon Lindelof should be ashamed of himself for his awful contributions to this film.
In fairness, we still don't know what the original script he worked on was like. It could have been worse.
Worse? That would be one hell of an achievement. Up until now i always thought that Cameron wrote awful dialogue, but in comparison to what we heard in Prometheus, Cameron's dialogue is positively Shakespearean.
No, you were right first time, Cameron can't write dialogue. Add Lucas into this mix too please.
Lucas isn't even in Cameron's ball park.
Cameron can write very good scripts. Some of the best stuff for 'Aliens' wasn't even in dialogue (although, a lot was); it was in the narrated stage direction. Things like specifying the backdrop of space is like God's love; distant and cold. That has an immediate impact on the reader's imagination.
I'm not saying he doesn't have his silly moments, but by and large, his volume of work has been far superior to the stuff Lucas has generated.
George Lucas is a brilliant idea man who can't write dialogue and has become an embittered micromanager - I think many of the concepts for his mess of a prequel trilogy have some kernels of genius, these naive little space yarns or quirks that only he could think up, with the internecine, labyrinthine world-building, but he is utterly unable to execute those properly himself by his lonesome, and never has been able to. James Cameron, for all his dust-ups, is also a brilliant idea man who can write the shit out of something, not to mention work it out practically for the shoot. He can do everyone's job, which is why he is that arrogant.
George Lucas cannot do everyone's job, but is rich enough to believe he can, and to surround himself with people who let him think so.
I smell uncut version
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 05, 2012, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: JonesTheCat on Jun 05, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Damon Lindelof should be ashamed of himself for his awful contributions to this film.
In fairness, we still don't know what the original script he worked on was like. It could have been worse.
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Saw the Collider interviewer saying Ridley first cut was 2hrs 27mins long.
Makes sense.
The final scene with the 'xeno' was probably forced in by Fox.