I just noticed there isn't a thread about the Lord of the Rings movies.
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I imagine there are plenty of other fans here. Which movie is your favorite (if you can pick one)? Do you have any favorite character? What do you like most about the movies and what do you dislike? How would you rate them compared to the books? Are you a LOTR collector?
Feel free to discuss the books here as well.
Plenty of questions, I know. I'll make sure to answer some myself later on. :D
I'm just about as big a fan as you can find. On an emotional level, at least.
I have a fierce respect for both the books and the films, and believe they are on the same level, but I've always felt more attatched to the film adaptations. I'm really more of a closet fan, something only a few members her know about me. I rarely talk about it, but when I do, I talk about it a lot.
I collect as much merchandise as possible, and I'm currently working toward owning The Complete Recordings sets for each of the three installments (I recently got The Fellowship of the Ring's for Christmas).
I love every shot of the film, I love every line, I love every character, and the music makes my heart soar and the metaphors for life in these stories touches me deeply. This was one of the films that changed my life forever. Made me into a different person- a more open-minded, and emotional person.
I cannot see a greater series coming into my life- when somebody mentions beautiful stories, all I can think of is The Lord of the Rings.
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"I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something."
Very nicely put, Sweeper. :)
Yes, the score by Howard Shore is simply wonderful, probably the best I've ever heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9NOV3KNpY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9NOV3KNpY#)
I could listen to that over and over again.
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 05, 2011, 07:48:00 AM
Very nicely put, Sweeper. :)
Yes, the score by Howard Shore is simply wonderful, probably the best I've ever heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9NOV3KNpY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9NOV3KNpY#)
I could listen to that over and over again.
Have you ever been to any live performances of the music? I recently went to my first symphony presented by the local VSO (Vancouver Symphony Orchestra) and it was heavenly. They had people from the original choir recordings and LSO (London) guests as well. That one boy who performs "In Dreams" at the end of "The Breaking of the Fellowship" was
amazing.
As I wrote about the show in the Recreational Area's "What made you happy today?" thread:
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 29, 2010, 01:57:25 AM
I just got back..
I don't think I've ever felt emotions like that in my entire life. That orchestra was my entire life.
The meaning of The Lord of the Rings is everything to me.
The beautiful vocals from the childrens choir cut through my soul and burried. The one young boy that did the solo for "The Breaking of the Fellowship" brought me to tears at the end of the first movement (The Fellowship of the Ring).
There is so much more I can be telling you all, but I'll keep that for later- something I wanted to mention is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life, with her voice that brought me out of my own body, and released me from any other thought in my mind- I was hers. She sung at various parts including "Evenstar", "Gollum's Song", and my favorite, "Into The West". Not only was she physically captivating, her voice was that of an angel, and I felt something of an impossible love for her that effected me in the strangest of ways. I had ascended and I forgot the hundreds of people in the room with me- it felt personal.
It's inspired me more than I can currently express through words.. I'm still in shock. It finished with tears in my eyes, and my hands shaking from pure emotion.
It was life, and my life was love.
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Kaitlyn Lusk was
amazing. I actually perfered her singing "Into the West" and "Gollum's Song" over Annie Lennox (who is fantastic either way, don't get me wrong). Brilliant stage presence, too- a lovely woman.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 05, 2011, 07:57:03 AMHave you ever been to any live performances of the music?
I have never gotten the chance. Would love to do it some day though.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 05, 2011, 07:57:03 AMKaitlyn Lusk was amazing. I actually perfered her singing "Into the West" and "Gollum's Song" over Annie Lennox (who is fantastic either way, don't get me wrong). Brilliant stage presence, too- a lovely woman.
I never liked "Into the West" when Return of the King came out, but now it's my favorite. :)
I love lord of the rings,amazing films,i remember when the first lord of the rings came out in the cinema,and when it said intermission i seen people getting up(obviously for smoke break or stock up on move food but i did not know that the time)so i got up and left thinking it was over pissed off that i played all that money :P pretty f**king stupid huh?
My favorite movie would probably be The Two Towers. I just love that movie. The ending battle is so epic. Favorite character is, by far, Legolas. He's such a badass!
I actually haven't read the books so it's hard for me to compare.
Quote from: Spartan113 on Jan 05, 2011, 08:03:37 AMMy favorite movie would probably be The Two Towers. I just love that movie. The ending battle is so epic. Favorite character is, by far, Legolas. He's such a badass!
I actually haven't read the books so it's hard for me to compare.
That last scene when Rohirrim wipes out the Uruk-hai put a tear in my eye. Amazingly epic. :'(
I've been thinking of getting this for the bookshelf by the way.
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Collects "The Book of Lost Tales Parts 1 and 2", "The Lays of Beleriand", "The Shaping of Middle-Earth" and "The Lost Road". I've read some of them before, about time I have a look at the rest as well.
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 05, 2011, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 05, 2011, 07:57:03 AMHave you ever been to any live performances of the music?
I have never gotten the chance. Would love to do it some day though.
It's an absolute treat, and a truly beautiful experience
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 05, 2011, 08:00:57 AM
I never liked "Into the West" when Return of the King came out, but now it's my favorite. :)
I remeber the standing ovation in the theater credits started rolling- the fact that I wasn't the only one teary eyed was nice. :)
The Lord of the Rings is easily the best trilogy to ever grace cinema. As much as I love Star Wars, I think it surpasses the Original Trilogy.
My favourite one is The Return of the King hands down, which is a 10/10 masterpiece that I consider past decade's finest achievement in moviemaking.
Best scene of past decade's moviemaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8yOdAqBFcQ#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8yOdAqBFcQ#noexternalembed-ws)
I love the books and the films. Return of the King is by far the best movie of the last decade. Two Towers drags like hell, but that's the point I guess. The book is very much the same.
I consider both the books and the films to be respectively one big, great magna opus, a great representation of art in all its forms. If one ever asked to me, what's your favourite Lord of the Rings book/film... I'd simply reply with "Lord of the Rings, of course!"
I've got more on the films than on the book admittedly... they always have been a big part of my life. I was hooked by everything, how it was done and presented... the extended cuts made me love the whole film even more.
I've got the complete anthology book (what an enormous brick, but damn if it's worth it), all three extended cuts just full of extras (le yum... watched them all), and of course the beautiful score for all three films. I'm listening to The Two Towers right now. ;D
And of course, the best speech ever is in Return of the King...
Hold your ground! Hold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers,
I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.
A day may come when the courage of men fails,
when we forsake our friends,
and break all bonds of fellowship.
but it is not this day.
An hour of wolves and shattered shields,
when the age of men comes crashing down,
but it is not this day!
This day we fight!!
By all that you hold dear on this good Earth,
I bid you stand, Men of the West!
One of the most grand moments in the history of cinema... the power in those words is immense.
New Years Day 2002. I knew absolutely jack shit about the fantasy genre (unless you count having read the first Harry Potter book, and not really caring for it). I'd been raised entirely in sci-fi up to that point, but my Dad says hey, we're going to go see that Lord of the Rings movie in the theater. I hadn't seen any trailers. I hadn't seen any photographs. I knew nothing of the plot. I had only a vague idea of what a hobbit was.
To say that The Fellowship of the Ring changed my life would be an understatement. That was an unexperience not entirely unlike falling in love for the first time for me. Extremely powerful stuff. In the intervening years, my interest waned somewhat, but I've only just recently started playing Lord of the Rings Online, now that its gone free to play. Fantastic game, and its only reinforced everything I loved about the films and books in the first place (If anyone's interested, I run a kinship (guild) called Rangers of the West on server Gladden).
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 05, 2011, 12:40:58 PM
And of course, the best speech ever is in Return of the King...
Hold your ground! Hold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers,
I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.
A day may come when the courage of men fails,
when we forsake our friends,
and break all bonds of fellowship.
but it is not this day.
An hour of wolves and shattered shields,
when the age of men comes crashing down,
but it is not this day!
This day we fight!!
By all that you hold dear on this good Earth,
I bid you stand, Men of the West!
One of the most grand moments in the history of cinema... the power in those words is immense.
It is good, but I prefer Theoden's speech before the charge on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnqZcmWk8U#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnqZcmWk8U#noexternalembed-ws)
I don't know if I could pick a favorite movie...I like so many scenes and elements of each one...I'll just say I love the Trilogy.
I see it as one story, which is why I can't watch them over several nights, I watch all three in one day. Mainly because of two towers. If I watched that on it's own a day or two after fellowship it would feel weird becuse the nature of the film and plot structure.
I only watch them one or twice a year. Even though it is one of my favourite series ever.
EDIT:
My lord of the rings disc jump so I am going to re buy them, I am either going to get the blu-ray or the ones with extended versions in the smart collectors boxes.
First of is the blu-ray worth it?
Are the new cuts preferable over the better picture?
For people that own or have seen both the blu-ray and the extended versions, which one is your favourite?
Love the movies! I read the Hobbit a long time ago, and own all 3 LOTR books. I should probably read the series...
I try and read them every couple of years. I haven't read The Hobbit since I was about 15 though. I'm sure I'll get round to it before the movie comes out.
Just recently I tried rereading The Hobbit, but I just didn't finish it, not sure why. Now I just want to read all four of the books in order. Oh, and I have Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion
Have you guys read this one? IT'S AWESOME! ;D
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If anyones interested
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Fellowship on now.
Get here fast though
Hahahaaaa! That was some fun shit. The OP's sound effects made it grand. :D
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 05, 2011, 04:19:19 PM
EDIT:
My lord of the rings disc jump so I am going to re buy them, I am either going to get the blu-ray or the ones with extended versions in the smart collectors boxes.
First of is the blu-ray worth it?
Are the new cuts preferable over the better picture?
For people that own or have seen both the blu-ray and the extended versions, which one is your favourite?
I got the Blu Rays for Christmas. They looked great. The wide shots of Middle Earth looked stunning. But It has been forever since I seen them on DVD so it's hard for me to compare.
I have heard that the Extended Versions will come to Blu Ray sometime late this year. So if you are going to re-buy the trilogy I would advise to wait for the Extended Blu Rays.
I haven't seen the Extended versions, but I know a couple of people who have and they say they are a ton better, makes a magical movie even more so.
i watched the extended cuts recently. all in one day. quite good use of ones time.
as for the favorite one i can't decide. i can't just watch them separately.
The only one that I have seen the extended version of is Return of the King. When the extended Blu Rays come out, I should definitely get them. Even if they aren't much better than DVDs, they will surely look at least a little nicer than the VHS tapes I use :P
I am one of the knowledgable people on LOTR that I know.
When I was 11, now i'm 17 as of this post, I wanted to be a Tolkien scholar.
I find that Tolkien blends interesting characters, with a rich world, beyond the scope of any other fiction. The films did a wonderful job, although they cut out some interesting characters, I must say they were top notch.
I loved the character of Pippin as a child. He always was a cool and upbeat person. I also find GANDALF to be the perfect mentor/elder/wise character.
My only important issue with the movies is the fact they completely cut out Tom Bombadil. :(
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 06, 2011, 11:35:15 PM
My only big issue with the movies is the fact they completely cut out Tom Bombadil. :(
Well, he wasn't necessary in the end, so...
I know what you mean though, but really I'm happy without him.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 06, 2011, 11:36:27 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 06, 2011, 11:35:15 PM
My only big issue with the movies is the fact they completely cut out Tom Bombadil. :(
Well, he wasn't necessary in the end, so...
I know what you mean though, but really I'm happy without him.
I'm
really happy without him. But to each their own.
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Yeah, I think we were better off without him. He's awesome as long as I don't have to look at him. Or listen to him sing.
The extended cut will be released on Blu-Ray this year.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ActionFigureNews/news/?a=27959 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ActionFigureNews/news/?a=27959)
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 14, 2011, 11:43:28 PM
The extended cut will be released on Blu-Ray this year.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ActionFigureNews/news/?a=27959 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ActionFigureNews/news/?a=27959)
Gah! LOTR, Star Wars, and Jurassic Park!!! Too much money!!! :P
No way am I buying this set when the hobbit is coming out.
Gonna wait for the inevitable ULTRA SUPER MASTER EDITION
Ive been waiting for these on blu ray for ages. I didnt bother buying the theatrical cuts on Blu-Ray hoping these would come eventually. I hope the packaging is as good as the DVDs. I love how they look like books on a shelf.
Quote from: Huol on Jan 15, 2011, 12:13:23 AM
No way am I buying this set when the hobbit is coming out.
Gonna wait for the inevitable ULTRA SUPER MASTER EDITION
I agree. :D
Some info on the Extended Cuts on Blu-Ray.
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http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SuperPoweredNews/news/?a=31413 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SuperPoweredNews/news/?a=31413)
I've been waiting for the Extended cut to come for some years. Great news! There's everything that was in the DvD as far as I can see.
Jee, every time I watch the extras I cheer. It's... awesome to see how much effort went into the production of these films.
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;D
Shame they couldn't put some new extras on. Like deleted scenes. Won't be rushing out for this - but will get it eventually.
As for Bombadil, they were right to cut him out the of the film. He slowed things down and undermined the power of the ring And Gandalf's explanation of why they couldn't use Bombadil might've worked in the book but would've been difficult to get across on film. The Old Forest and Barrow Downs would've been cool though.
I reckon the movie is best without that part.
I would have loved to see some of the deleted scenes from the first movie, such as the death of Gil-galad or when the elves fought of some pursuing orcs in Lothlórien.
Or chuck in the outtake DVD the crew made for the principal cast when they left.
Scouring of the shire yo
Another ending to a film that already has four or something.
Could have a new record for the most fade to black transitions
Quote from: Huol on Mar 07, 2011, 10:24:07 PM
Scouring of the shire yo
Pointless,
POINTLESS part of the book. I'm glad they left it out and changed Wormtongue and Saruman's death.
Quote from: Huol on Mar 07, 2011, 10:24:07 PM
Scouring of the shire yo
This! So f**king this! It was the whole point!
The point of the films was to destroy the ring.
Oh yeah, that.
To even attempt to squeeze the scouring of the shire into Return of The King and somehow make it work, would have been madness and i think, along with the removal of Tom Bombadil from the first film, it was a wise choice.
I think the only bad choice they made was how the King of the Dead and the black ships were edited.
Speaking of the Dead, it doesn't make sense that they were able to kill the orcs in the movie, yet Aragorn refused use them to attack Mordor. I know it was because he gave them his word, but come on, the fate of the free world was at stake. At least they weren't able to kill anything in the books, so there it made sense not to attack Mordor with them.
Edit: More info on the Extended Blu-Ray release.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=32337 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=32337)
Edit: More info on the Extended Blu-Ray release.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=32337 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=32337)
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This is great news I've been waiting for the extended version in bluray for so long. I love the theatrical version but the extended version is the penultimate for me
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 21, 2011, 06:53:55 PM
Speaking of the Dead, it doesn't make sense that they were able to kill the orcs in the movie, yet Aragorn refused use them to attack Mordor. I know it was because he gave them his word, but come on, the fate of the free world was at stake. At least they weren't able to kill anything in the books, so there it made sense not to attack Mordor with them.
Which was part of the reason Jackson didn't like them for the film. He too found it silly that Aragorn would simply free them when there were ten of thousands of orcs in Mordor. And if this is correct - " Faint cries I heard, and dim horns blowing, and a murmur as of countless far voices: it was like the echo of some forgotten battle in the Dark Years long ago. Pale swords were drawn; but I know not whether their blades would still bite, for the Dead needed no longer any weapon but fear" then it seems they CAN kill, just that they don't need swords to do so.
Seems like there is a chance they can still kill then. I always figured the reason Aragorn didn't use them against Mordor in the books was because fear was their only weapon, and Sauron and the Ringwraiths rule the orcs through fear as well, so it wouldn't really have worked.
In other news, Peter Jackson says "hey, that Hobbit movie? Ok, we finally started on it." He posted some set pictures on his Facebook page Here (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Peter-Jackson/141884481557)
Yeap, we're already talking about that in The Hobbit thread. :laugh:
Speaking of cutting out cool stuff, would have liked to have seen the storyboarded tussle between Aragorn and Sauron at the Black Gate's. Would have distracted from the main event, but hey ho.
Yeah, dunno. I think they were wise to keep it closer to the book.
Come June and Lord of the Rings fans will have much reason to celebrate, for in anticipation of the BluRay release of the Extended Editions of the Lord of the Rings films, AMC Theatres will be screening the very same director's cuts of the films over three weeks in June.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Blueorangeny/news/?a=35967 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Blueorangeny/news/?a=35967)
Wish they would do that over here as well.
I was really excited for the Blu Ray release until I found out the films will still be spread over two discs and then when I saw what the cover looked like, I wasnt impressed. I love my individual extended versions that look like books on a shelf and they open up to reveal some wonderful artwork.
Dont know if, ill bother with the Blu Rays. If I did I think id put them into my DVD covers and discard the Blu Ray ones.
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 21, 2011, 10:59:01 PM
Speaking of cutting out cool stuff, would have liked to have seen the storyboarded tussle between Aragorn and Sauron at the Black Gate's. Would have distracted from the main event, but hey ho.
Here's what they shot and left out/replaced with a troll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7w5p34t5EM#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7w5p34t5EM#noexternalembed)
I'm a massive fan of both mediums. I love everything to do with Middle Earth, and (like someone mentioned) considered becoming a Tolkien Scholar...not lucrative, but certainly enjoyable. My real issue with the movies though is the stupid, illogical things they added in for the sole prupose of either furthering the Aragorn-Arwen love story, or increasing action.
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 21, 2011, 06:53:55 PM
Speaking of the Dead, it doesn't make sense that they were able to kill the orcs in the movie, yet Aragorn refused use them to attack Mordor. I know it was because he gave them his word, but come on, the fate of the free world was at stake. At least they weren't able to kill anything in the books, so there it made sense not to attack Mordor with them.
They couldn't come near Mordor because of Sauron's 'presence'. The movies don't show or explain Sauron's powers (as him as a bodyless ghost), but I remember reading the book it just felt OK that the undead army would be powerless in the land of darkness. Also, if I remember correctly, Sauron was a very powerful necromancer.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 04, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 21, 2011, 10:59:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7w5p34t5EM#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7w5p34t5EM#noexternalembed)
Never realised it was actually filmed. Take it they ditched the idea halfway through filming? It's pretty awkwardly edited and he's bearly in it.
Yeah, it's in the making of on the special edition DVD. They never meshed it with the full film, just replaced Sauron with an animated troll. Still, pretty epic nonetheless.
Indeedy.
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 07, 2011, 07:59:50 PM
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
I've been wanting to get a hold of Narsil since I saw the movie back in 2001.
Be careful, it's still sharp.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 07, 2011, 07:59:50 PM
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
I have the One Ring.
Quote from: Aeus on May 07, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
Be careful, it's still sharp.
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Quote from: Aeus on May 07, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
Be careful, it's still sharp.
Speaking of that:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lord-Rings-Shards-Narsil-Unique-Piece-NEW-/250776038797?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a636aad8d (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lord-Rings-Shards-Narsil-Unique-Piece-NEW-/250776038797?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a636aad8d)
Quote from: Laufey on May 07, 2011, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on May 07, 2011, 07:59:50 PM
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
I've been wanting to get a hold of Narsil since I saw the movie back in 2001.
They've got a bunch of really good ones on ebay at the moment for good prices. I paid around $90 for mine.
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Quote from: BLAIN on May 07, 2011, 07:59:50 PM
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
I have the One Ring.
Me too! Just bought it: 24K UV glow plated.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 07, 2011, 07:59:50 PM
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
The helmets always interested me. Never actually bought any LoTR merch though.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 08, 2011, 12:33:53 AM
Quote from: Aeus on May 07, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
Be careful, it's still sharp.
Speaking of that:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lord-Rings-Shards-Narsil-Unique-Piece-NEW-/250776038797?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a636aad8d (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lord-Rings-Shards-Narsil-Unique-Piece-NEW-/250776038797?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a636aad8d)
Quote from: Laufey on May 07, 2011, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on May 07, 2011, 07:59:50 PM
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
I've been wanting to get a hold of Narsil since I saw the movie back in 2001.
They've got a bunch of really good ones on ebay at the moment for good prices. I paid around $90 for mine.
Quote from: Ghost Rider on May 07, 2011, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on May 07, 2011, 07:59:50 PM
Does anyone here collect any LoTR merchandise? I collect weaponry and books...The weapons are one of the fantastic things about the films.
I have the One Ring.
Me too! Just bought it: 24K UV glow plated.
Mine is similar to that, I plain on either getting Sting or one of Gimli's axes.
They've got some great priced Sting's on ebay. I got mine for $35 before shipping. It's a beautiful replica, the only difference from the movie replica being that the handle is thicker.
In terms of Gimli's axes, if you want his walking axes you can get one on ebay for just over $100 before shipping.
If you want his double bladed axe, that's a different story. Ebay has one on for $160 before shipping, but shipping is a ludicrous $57.00. You can get one at the Noble collection website (it's 2 inches shorter than the one on ebay, but it looks better) for $129, and they ship 1 item over $100 for $12.00.
http://www.noblecollection.com/index.cfm?fa=products.product&id=NN2222&catid=17 (http://www.noblecollection.com/index.cfm?fa=products.product&id=NN2222&catid=17)
Quote from: BLAIN on May 08, 2011, 02:27:34 AM
They've got some great priced Sting's on ebay. I got mine for $35 before shipping. It's a beautiful replica, the only difference from the movie replica being that the handle is thicker.
In terms of Gimli's axes, if you want his walking axes you can get one on ebay for just over $100 before shipping.
If you want his double bladed axe, that's a different story. Ebay has one on for $160 before shipping, but shipping is a ludicrous $57.00. You can get one at the Noble collection website (it's 2 inches shorter than the one on ebay, but it looks better) for $129, and they ship 1 item over $100 for $12.00.
http://www.noblecollection.com/index.cfm?fa=products.product&id=NN2222&catid=17 (http://www.noblecollection.com/index.cfm?fa=products.product&id=NN2222&catid=17)
I might get Sting now and wait a little bit for an ax.
I still wonder what will do after The Hobbit movies are done? I'm pretty sure we will see another Lord of Rings movie adaptation in the next 10 or 15 years from now. I would still like to see a The Silmarillion mini series.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 08, 2011, 02:48:00 AM
I still wonder what will do after The Hobbit movies are done? I'm pretty sure we will see another Lord of Rings movie adaptation in the next 10 or 15 years from now. I would still like to see a The Silmarillion mini series.
Many, many people said that the Lord of the Rings couldn't be turned into a film(s) that was/were any good. They were proved wrong, although many scenes were cut out and changed. The Hobbit should be much more faithful to the book (or should be >:() as it is FAR smaller than any of the 3 LoTR books.
As for the Silmarillion...I can honestly say that I would have reservations. It's my favourite book by Tolkien, and I really think anything they do with the Valar, Eru and creation would look cheesy on screen...That's just me though. However, I would LOVE to see The Children of Hurin adapted. That's flat out epic and shouldn't be TOO difficult to adapt.
http://youtu.be/l8yOdAqBFcQ (http://youtu.be/l8yOdAqBFcQ)
The Ride of the Rohirrim was probably one of my favorites from the entire Trilogy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTFP9QQzEL4#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTFP9QQzEL4#noexternalembed)
My favourite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kBN340vd4#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kBN340vd4#noexternalembed-ws)
My second favourite
Quote from: BLAIN on May 10, 2011, 01:51:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTFP9QQzEL4#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTFP9QQzEL4#noexternalembed)
My favourite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kBN340vd4#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kBN340vd4#noexternalembed-ws)
My second favourite
Those were excellent as well. I was partial to the music on The March of the Ents and The Ride of the Rohirrim.
Been editing our holiday video to NZ and using lots of LOTR music.
As well as that of the Enz and Crowdies. ;D
Quote from: SM on May 10, 2011, 02:16:35 AM
Been editing our holiday video to NZ and using lots of LOTR music.
As well as that of the Enz and Crowdies. ;D
I don't think you could have picked better music.
Quote from: SM on May 10, 2011, 02:16:35 AM
Been editing our holiday video to NZ and using lots of LOTR music.
As well as that of the Enz and Crowdies. ;D
Don't forget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUMsxVt4YU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUMsxVt4YU#)
Been trying to...
How can you dislike that song?
Admittedly it's no Crowded House, but it's still great.
It's firmly rooted in annoying 1990s dance music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMPcuZZgmtE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMPcuZZgmtE#ws)
Use this song
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2011, 12:02:05 AM
It's firmly rooted in annoying 1990s dance music.
Ah, see that wouldn't really have effected me, being a fetus and all.
One would imagine that I would be having a jolly old time now that university is finished. Alas, I'm bored as f**k. So I thought I'd post some pictures of my weapons collection.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi839.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz314%2FAintGotTime2Bleed%2FDCP_1936.jpg&hash=1bbbf9188f6792b8cbe5830725e83b31c251a4fc)
Nice.
That the Witch Kings on the far right?
Yep. It's the heaviest and weighs around 50 pounds.
Dare I ask the price tag?
I actually did some really good eBay buying with these. Most aren't the official makes and thus cost MUCH less, yet are same or similar quality. The witch King sword was $70, with the official one costing over $130 at least. The Uruk- hai one was free with the witch king sword, glamdring was $65, Anduril was $80 and sting was $50. The only officials there are the staffs. The Saruman staff was ludicrously expensive, but worth it as I couldn't find ANY for sale on the Internet less than $200 (I snatched it for $170 qhenit appeared on eBay: cheapest I could find). Gandalf's was $100
I still wonder what Kubrick's Lord of the Ring movie would have been like?
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 13, 2011, 03:06:11 AM
I still wonder what Kubrick's Lord of the Ring movie would have been like?
To me Peter's Trilogy defined LOTR for me, so its hard to imagine anyone else doing the films.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 13, 2011, 03:06:11 AM
I still wonder what Kubrick's Lord of the Ring movie would have been like?
Twice as long to shoot.
And four times as long to watch.
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2011, 03:19:52 AM
Twice as long to shoot.
And four times as long to watch.
But that's...over 12 hours a movie. Ay caramba!
Just bought the Boromir sword. Next up is Gimli's walking axe. So pumped!
Quote from: BLAIN on May 13, 2011, 04:51:56 PMJust bought the Boromir sword. Next up is Gimli's walking axe. So pumped!
That axe is damn sweet.
For me, it's either Narsil or this that will be my first sword.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fghoulgear.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F03%2Flotr_isildursword.jpg&hash=4b4665a014ff6177fb09af1c39af0e7dd7945b93)
(Maybe after the summer...)
Yeah, Isildur's sword is gorgeous. It's perhaps the most consistently expensive item on ebay, though, in terms of weapons.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 08, 2011, 02:54:18 AM
However, I would LOVE to see The Children of Hurin adapted. That's flat out epic and shouldn't be TOO difficult to adapt.
I like this man. :D
Quote from: BLAIN on May 08, 2011, 02:54:18 AM
As for the Silmarillion...I can honestly say that I would have reservations. It's my favourite book by Tolkien, and I really think anything they do with the Valar, Eru and creation would look cheesy on screen...That's just me though. However, I would LOVE to see The Children of Hurin adapted. That's flat out epic and shouldn't be TOO difficult to adapt.
I want to see that movie being made just for the sake of seeing the Nírnaeth Arnoediad on the big screen. I'm sure that'll make the Battle of the Pelennor Fields look like a school fight lol ;)
Quote from: The G-man on May 13, 2011, 09:13:33 PMI want to see that movie being made just for the sake of seeing the Nírnaeth Arnoediad on the big screen. I'm sure that'll make the Battle of the Pelennor Fields look like a school fight lol ;)
I agree. If there's one battle from Silmarillion I've wanted to see on the big screen, it's Nírnaeth Arnoediad. A very tragic story, but should be very epic at the same time. Just imagine Fingon Vs. Balrog, or Turgon and his forces marching out from Gondolin. :'(
I'd love to see Fingolfin vs. Morgoth, if they do end up adapting the entire Silmarillion.
Also, as much as I love the LoTR films, I'm always dumbfounded at the lack of thought or logical consideration that went into many of the additions PJ included. I mean, additions in my mind are acceptable, but when they're incredibly illogical and added only for the sake of action or love, it grinds my gears. Anyone else feel that way?
Also, I completely agree with you guys, G-man and Laufey. Gondolin and the Nirnaeth Armoediad would be something spec-f**king- tacular to see on the screen. The entirety of the Silmarillion makes LoTR pale by comparison.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 03:39:36 AMI mean, additions in my mind are acceptable, but when they're incredibly illogical and added only for the sake of action or love, it grinds my gears. Anyone else feel that way?
I agree. For example, the elves at Helm's Deep was really unnecessary. First of all, it made it seem like the human defenders didn't stand a chance without them. Second, they really sucked in combat. Sure, the archery were fine, but it's not like it's hard to hit something when 10,000 orcs come running towards you. But they really blew in close combat. Heck, there was even one guy that impaled himself on a pike when he charged the orcs. And these guys are supposed to be the best of the best, with hundreds or even thousands of years of experience? Yeah, I don't think so. The only one who managed to hold his own was Haldir and he didn't last long either.
On the other hand, adding the scene where Éomer and Gandalf charges the orc horde with thousand of rohirrim behind them wasn't bad. That was the best scene in the movie.
On the topic of the elves, have you noticed that they had to have left from either Lothlorien or Rivendell (I'm going to say Lothlorien, as that's where Haldir lives), they left hours AFTER the Uruk-Hai, and somehow made it to Helm's deep hours before them, even though Lothlorien is over 115 miles further away? That's pretty much impossible.
Maybe they jumped on the backs of those giant Eagles that seems to show up at all the right times.
See, that would have been an epic addition: just a bunch of elves riding eagles to helm's deep. But I don't think all 100+ elves would fit on the eagles.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 02:34:49 PMOn the topic of the elves, have you noticed that they had to have left from either Lothlorien or Rivendell (I'm going to say Lothlorien, as that's where Haldir lives), they left hours AFTER the Uruk-Hai, and somehow made it to Helm's deep hours before them, even though Lothlorien is over 115 miles further away? That's pretty much impossible.
Yeah, I always thought that was pretty weird. I guess it's only right that elves move a lot faster than orcs, but it should still be an impossible task. The only way it could work is if the scene between Elrond and Galadriel took place before the Uruk's left Isengard and they saw what was coming with their seer powers or something and thus sent Haldir and the elves to Helm's Deep.
But then the scene placement would make no sense at all.
I thought about that, but Galadriel says "The power of Isengard has been unleashed", then cuts to the Uruks marching. All in all, Pete made a booboo.
Also, why is Arwen randomly out on horseback in FoTR so far from Rivendell? Throughout every film Elrond's like "I love you Arwen, I must protect you from the evil, blah blah blah", and yet for one time he lets her ride out to find Aragorn when he knows the nine are wandering about...makes no sense. PJ just adding random crap to fuel the love between Aragorn and Arwen.
Also, in Bree, why are the gates so thin? The gates are less than 2 inches thick and seem to wobble in the breeze! No wonder the bloody ringwraiths managed to break them down: I could have! Who protects their village from outside forces with an inch thick piece of unsecured wood?
Again in Bree, why is Aragorn randomly carrying four small sword just for Hobbits? There's no mention of him expecting them, is there? Who randomly carries around swords on the off chance there will be hobbits?
The Ents have a massive meeting talking about what their actions will be, decide not to do anything (which isn't following the book), then see a bunch of cut down trees and instantly change their minds...first off, if you're treebeard, the shepherd of trees in Fangorn, how in Gods' name do you not notice more than a kilometer of trees cut down? Surely you'd 1) hear it and 2) see it when you walk about? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
There's a lot more I could rant about, but I feel I may ruin the films for some people...didn't ruin them for me, but I'll stop there for now.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 03:05:05 PMAlso, why is Arwen randomly out on horseback in FoTR so far from Rivendell? Throughout every film Elrond's like "I love you Arwen, I must protect you from the evil, blah blah blah", and yet for one time he lets her ride out to find Aragorn when he knows the nine are wandering about...makes no sense. PJ just adding random crap to fuel the love between Aragorn and Arwen.
I guess she could be out searching for Aragorn and the hobbits on her own, without telling Elrond about it?
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 03:05:05 PMAgain in Bree, why is Aragorn randomly carrying four small sword just for Hobbits? There's no mention of him expecting them, is there? Who randomly carries around swords on the off chance there will be hobbits?
Didn't Gandalf tell him to meet up with them there? I can't really remember if they ever said anything about that.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 03:05:05 PMThe Ents have a massive meeting talking about what their actions will be, decide not to do anything (which isn't following the book), then see a bunch of cut down trees and instantly change their minds...first off, if you're treebeard, the shepherd of trees in Fangorn, how in Gods' name do you not notice more than a kilometer of trees cut down? Surely you'd 1) hear it and 2) see it when you walk about? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
He's slow and there's a lot of forest to walk? :laugh:
Seriously though, it didn't make much sense for him not to know about it.
QuoteI guess she could be out searching for Aragorn and the hobbits on her own, without telling Elrond about it?
I'd think Elrond practically knows everything about his daughters' comings and goings...At least in the book it makes a lot more sense with Glorfindel and Elladan and Elrohir and others going out to search for them. But that seems like it could work...although it does make Arwen seem kinda childish, sneaking out to see someone under daddy's nose.
Quote
Didn't Gandalf tell him to meet up with them there? I can't really remember if they ever said anything about that.
This I don't know. It was in the book, but I believe no mention was made in the film. But hey, gives me a reason to watch FoTR (my favourite of the three) again! ;D
QuoteHe's slow and there's a lot of forest to walk? :laugh:
Seriously though, it didn't make much sense for him not to know about it.
:D
Also, why did PJ make Aragorn randomly wander off on weathertop? In the book he explicitly stays with the Hobbits because they know the ringwraiths are after them. They also know the ringwraiths are after them in the movie, and yet he wanders off to survey a bunch of land. Firstly, he's a ranger, and
he knows the land extremely well. Why does he therefore need to look around? Secondly, how stupid can you be to wander off leaving four terrified, inexperienced hobbits to deal with the nazgul when they come? Makes no sense to me...
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 03:49:34 PMI'd think Elrond practically knows everything about his daughters' comings and goings...At least in the book it makes a lot more sense with Glorfindel and Elladan and Elrohir and others going out to search for them. But that seems like it could work...although it does make Arwen seem kinda childish, sneaking out to see someone under daddy's nose.
I guess your right. Would have been awesome seeing Glorfindel for that matter, scaring the shit out of the Ringwraiths and driving them into the water.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 03:49:34 PMThis I don't know. It was in the book, but I believe no mention was made in the film. But hey, gives me a reason to watch FoTR (my favourite of the three) again! ;D
*High five*Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 03:49:34 PMAlso, why did PJ make Aragorn randomly wander off on weathertop? In the book he explicitly stays with the Hobbits because they know the ringwraiths are after them. They also know the ringwraiths are after them in the movie, and yet he wanders off to survey a bunch of land. Firstly, he's a ranger, and he knows the land extremely well. Why does he therefore need to look around? Secondly, how stupid can you be to wander off leaving four terrified, inexperienced hobbits to deal with the nazgul when they come? Makes no sense to me...
The sneaky bastard was using them as bait...
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I guess your right. Would have been awesome seeing Glorfindel for that matter, scaring the shit out of the Ringwraiths and driving them into the water.
Exactly.
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*High five*
*High five back*
QuoteThe sneaky bastard was using them as bait...
Here, Nazy Nazy...
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 02:34:49 PM
On the topic of the elves, have you noticed that they had to have left from either Lothlorien or Rivendell (I'm going to say Lothlorien, as that's where Haldir lives), they left hours AFTER the Uruk-Hai, and somehow made it to Helm's deep hours before them, even though Lothlorien is over 115 miles further away? That's pretty much impossible.
Meh, they're elves. They could've sprinted the whole way without breaking a sweat.
Quote from: Sso02V on May 15, 2011, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 02:34:49 PM
On the topic of the elves, have you noticed that they had to have left from either Lothlorien or Rivendell (I'm going to say Lothlorien, as that's where Haldir lives), they left hours AFTER the Uruk-Hai, and somehow made it to Helm's deep hours before them, even though Lothlorien is over 115 miles further away? That's pretty much impossible.
Meh, they're elves. They could've sprinted the whole way without breaking a sweat.
And even then they wouldn't have logically overtaken the Uruks.
Not if the Uruks stopped to rest and/or rampage along the way. Even the ones who Saruman thought had the ring were allowed to stop, and that was a much higher priority than killing a relative handful of dudes in a little fortress.
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: Sso02V on May 15, 2011, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 02:34:49 PM
On the topic of the elves, have you noticed that they had to have left from either Lothlorien or Rivendell (I'm going to say Lothlorien, as that's where Haldir lives), they left hours AFTER the Uruk-Hai, and somehow made it to Helm's deep hours before them, even though Lothlorien is over 115 miles further away? That's pretty much impossible.
Meh, they're elves. They could've sprinted the whole way without breaking a sweat.
And even then they wouldn't have logically overtaken the Uruks.
But their goddamn elves, man!
Quote from: Sso02V on May 15, 2011, 06:25:48 PM
Not if the Uruks stopped to rest and/or rampage along the way. Even the ones who Saruman thought had the ring were allowed to stop, and that was a much higher priority than killing a relative handful of dudes in a little fortress.
They have 120+ miles to catch up. The Uruks can basically walk from Isengard to Helm's deep in less time than it takes Elves to sprint. It's completely illogical, no matter which way you slice it. Besides, they didn't arrive after or at the same time as the Uruks: they left LATER, and therefore had even more mileage to catch up. They also arrived hours SOONER. It makes no sense, even if the Uruks rested.
QuoteBut their goddamn elves, man!
So?
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sso02V on May 15, 2011, 06:25:48 PM
Not if the Uruks stopped to rest and/or rampage along the way. Even the ones who Saruman thought had the ring were allowed to stop, and that was a much higher priority than killing a relative handful of dudes in a little fortress.
They have 120+ miles to catch up. The Uruks can basically walk from Isengard to Helm's deep in less time than it takes Elves to sprint. It's completely illogical, no matter which way you slice it. Besides, they didn't arrive after or at the same time as the Uruks: they left LATER, and therefore had even more mileage to catch up. They also arrived hours SOONER. It makes no sense, even if the Uruks rested.
QuoteBut their goddamn elves, man!
So?
They can all skateboard there on shields? :D
:D
Quote from: Xenodog on May 15, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sso02V on May 15, 2011, 06:25:48 PM
Not if the Uruks stopped to rest and/or rampage along the way. Even the ones who Saruman thought had the ring were allowed to stop, and that was a much higher priority than killing a relative handful of dudes in a little fortress.
They have 120+ miles to catch up. The Uruks can basically walk from Isengard to Helm's deep in less time than it takes Elves to sprint. It's completely illogical, no matter which way you slice it. Besides, they didn't arrive after or at the same time as the Uruks: they left LATER, and therefore had even more mileage to catch up. They also arrived hours SOONER. It makes no sense, even if the Uruks rested.
QuoteBut their goddamn elves, man!
So?
They can all skateboard there on shields? :D
Naah, they just took the Gondor Express to Helms Deep ;)
Oh my god, this thread is hilarious. :laugh:
Quote from: The G-man on May 15, 2011, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on May 15, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on May 15, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sso02V on May 15, 2011, 06:25:48 PM
Not if the Uruks stopped to rest and/or rampage along the way. Even the ones who Saruman thought had the ring were allowed to stop, and that was a much higher priority than killing a relative handful of dudes in a little fortress.
They have 120+ miles to catch up. The Uruks can basically walk from Isengard to Helm's deep in less time than it takes Elves to sprint. It's completely illogical, no matter which way you slice it. Besides, they didn't arrive after or at the same time as the Uruks: they left LATER, and therefore had even more mileage to catch up. They also arrived hours SOONER. It makes no sense, even if the Uruks rested.
QuoteBut their goddamn elves, man!
So?
They can all skateboard there on shields? :D
Naah, they just took the Gondor Express to Helms Deep ;)
They would have got their sooner if they hadn't had to take the Rohan replacement bus service.
QuotePJ just adding random crap to fuel the love between Aragorn and Arwen.
Why introduce a character that you're never going to see again, rather than introducing a character who actually has some importance?
Yeah... so "random"....
Why introduce her at all then? She gets a passing mention in the book, as in "Oh, look at her, she's beautiful". Then the fellowship goes away and we don't hear from her again until the third book. Perfectly acceptable. Instead, we get all sorts of trippy flashbacks and ridiculous actions.
Because this isn't the book.
Same reason thay changed a whole buttload of things. It falls under the heading of "adaptation".
They pour a shitload of moeny into these things so if beefing up Arwen or Galadriel or Eowyn a bit gets a few more chicks bums on seats and makes it less of a boys club, so be it. No harm was done to the story.
QuoteBecause this isn't the book.
Yeah, I'm merely providing an example to answer your question...
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Same reason thay changed a whole buttload of things. It falls under the heading of "adaptation".
And it's understandable. Except when all logic is thrown out the window and intelligence is sacrificed in the name of a pointless love story.
QuoteThey pour a shitload of moeny into these things so if beefing up Arwen or Galadriel or Eowyn a bit gets a few more chicks bums on seats and makes it less of a boys club, so be it. No harm was done to the story.
I'm perfectly fine with Galadriel and Eowyn's roles: they got less than what was actually written. In my mind, they could have been given even more. I'm merely saying don't sacrifice intelligence for a pointless relationship that ultimately ends up slowing shit down.
QuoteAnd it's understandable. Except when all logic is thrown out the window and intelligence is sacrificed in the name of a pointless love story.
Clearly it wasn't pointless. They just expanded on the tragedy that was present in the book.
QuoteI'm merely saying don't sacrifice intelligence for a pointless relationship that ultimately ends up slowing shit down.
Which "intelligence" was "sacrificed" exactly?
QuoteClearly it wasn't pointless. They just expanded on the tagedy that was present in the book.
More like took it by the edges, attached each corner to a race car and said "Go".
QuoteWhich "intelligence" was "sacrificed" exactly?
1) Why is Arwen randomly out riding? This is clearly to introduce us viewers to her and to lay the foundation of our knowledge of Aragorn and Arwens' relationship. Now, having first watched the FoTR without seeing the other films, I thought "Ok, they replaced Glorfindel. That's fine, I guess. I can accept that". But then later in the trilogy, every time we see Arwen and Elrond he's always telling her "hop on a boat and escape the evil, escape the danger, escape the sorrow". If he's that concerned for her, why is he letting her ride out
alone to find people chased by the most powerful servants of the enemy, whom even Gandalf fears? It just seems to be a massive turnaround and contradiction, only inserted for the purpose of their relationship. Is this lacking in intelligence? I'd say yes, as it doesn't appear to have been thought through...
That's the big one, to be honest. I'm alright with most of the other love stuff. But having Aragorn fall off a cliff to hit what appeared to be rapids just so that he can have a dream about Arwen? Seems a bit desperate and ridiculous.
Furthermore, holding off the reforging of Narsil just so Elrond can visit Aragorn later and say "I come on behalf of one who loves you" makes no sense. Yes, holding it off until later is fine. They seemed to just be doing it for the sake of "Oh, Aragorn, Arwen's staying, she loves you". Other than that, there really isn't any reason to have deviated from the book on that regard. Also, how did Elrond manage to travel from Rivendell to the Rohan encampment so bloody quickly? He took what, a day or two to get there on a horse? If you look at a map of Middle Earth, you'll notice he would have had to ride more than 500 miles to get to there. Is that possible
on a horse in one or two days? Maybe if it never stopped running as fast as it possibly could, but I doubt a horse can keep that up for that long.
Quote1) Why is Arwen randomly out riding? This is clearly to introduce us viewers to her and to lay the foundation of our knowledge of Aragorn and Arwens' relationship. Now, having first watched the FoTR without seeing the other films, I thought "Ok, they replaced Glorfindel. That's fine, I guess. I can accept that". But then later in the trilogy, every time we see Arwen and Elrond he's always telling her "hop on a boat and escape the evil, escape the danger, escape the sorrow". If he's that concerned for her, why is he letting her ride out alone to find people chased by the most powerful servants of the enemy, whom even Gandalf fears? It just seems to be a massive turnaround and contradiction, only inserted for the purpose of their relationship. Is this lacking in intelligence? I'd say yes, as it doesn't appear to have been thought through...
All that is explained by her simply saying she's not scared of them.
Plus Arwen asking for her grace to pass to Frodo after the nine are swept away is almost the same as what happens after Arwen & Aragorn are married in the book and she says Frodo can take her place on the ships.
Jackson, Walsh and Boyens merely expanded on what was already there. They found a way to display Arwen's strength in filmic terms, without introducing a redundant character after already introducing Frodo, Sam, Gandalf, Saruman, Bilbo, Strider, Merry, Pippin and the Nazgul.
QuoteAll that is explained by her simply saying she's not scared of them.
Ok...it then goes to show her to be completely ignorant then, or stupidly courageous. Even the wise and far more powerful fear them. So they've gone from contradiction to making her look like an irrational, hurried fool.
Even still, I don't think that explains it at all: her not fearing them and Elrond's care for his daughter are two separate things.
QuotePlus Arwen asking for her grace to pass to Frodo after the nine are swept away is almost the same as what happens after Arwen & Aragorn are married in the book and she says Frodo can take her place on the ships.
That is true. That connection never popped into my mind. Well done.
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Jackson, Walsh and Boyens merely expanded on what was already there. They found a way to display Arwen's strength in filmic terms, without introducing a redundant character after already introducing Frodo, Sam, Gandalf, Saruman, Bilbo, Strider, Merry, Pippin and the Nazgul.
They may have done, but it still doesn't excuse
how they did it.
Don't see any problem at all with how they did it. Can't think of a better way to introduce a fairly important character with her actually taking part in the story. It's like Merry and Pippin at Ent moot. In the book they stand there for hours being bystanders. By having Treebeard say they're not going to war, it makes Merry and Pip active participants with Merry getting pissed and Pippin starting to gorw as a character by having a good idea that forces the Ents to war, after playing second string to the stronger Merry before this.
Ultimately Arwen beat the Nazgul, was given some screentime to establish with the audience, without any harm to the characters or narrative. No lack of intelligence in that.
QuoteDon't see any problem at all with how they did it. Can't think of a better way to introduce a fairly important character with her actually taking part in the story.
Except the contradictions. She goes from some courageous elf warrior to a crying, whimpering maiden. Her father lets her go and face the nine most powerful servants of Sauron alone and yet won't let her stay in perhaps the safest place (besides, say, Lorien) in middle-earth for fear of impending danger and a wee bit of sorrow. They even failed to portray her as courageous, with a little bit of thought showing her to be a rash, hasty fool.
QuoteIt's like Merry and Pippin at Ent moot. In the book they stand there for hours being bystanders. By having Treebeard say they're not going to war, it makes Merry and Pip active participants with Merry getting pissed and Pippin starting to gorw as a character by having a good idea that forces the Ents to war, after playing second string to the stronger Merry before this.
That's a whole other bit of ridiculousness, the ents deciding not going to war and changing instantly upon seeing trees dead. One that I don't really want to discuss ATM, as I'm tired and have to wake at 5:00 Am tomorrow. However, yes, speeding up the entmoot was necessary for the film. There's no denying that.
It's not about the speed - it's making Merry and Pippin active participants rather than have them effectively go missing for ages and ages, which is pretty much what happens in the book until Pippin looks into the Palantir. The movies gives them more of a purpose. You can get away with what Tolkein did in the book, when it's the written word. Not so much in the film.
Besides, the scene of them finding all the trees cut down and Treebeard calling the Ents and the Last March is f**king awesome.
Quote from: SM on May 16, 2011, 02:16:12 AM
It's not about the speed - it's making Merry and Pippin active participants rather than have them effectively go missing for ages and ages, which is pretty much what happens in the book until Pippin looks into the Palantir. The movies gives them more of a purpose. You can get away with what Tolkein did in the book, when it's the written word. Not so much in the film.
Well, in the book Merry and Pippin are basically the tipping points in Treebeard deciding to call the entmoot, as he had been tempted to do so for ages. He then decides in the entmoot to attack Isengard, and the rest is history. Merry and Pippin were that final drop of catalyst which started the 'reaction', so to speak.
In the movie, as in the book, Treebeard goes on and on about not being hasty. The ents take hours to decide something, and they make their decision: No. Then one little look at a bunch of dead tree stumps, which
Treebeard should have known about as the main shepherd of the trees of Fangorn, erases all that talking about not being hasty, and erases all those hours of discussion about
not attacking Isengard. I have no problem giving Merry and Pippin an increased role, but do it in a way that doesn't go against what you've already established in the movie (not even in the book, in the same movie!).
QuoteBesides, the scene of them finding all the trees cut down and Treebeard calling the Ents and the Last March is f**king awesome.
I agree, that scene was unbelievably epic. I believe I listed it as one of my favourites earlier. Always sends shivers down my spine, the combination of the music and the sheer awesomeness.
Not stepping in the middle of this ^ but a good discussion.
I'm one of the millions that was too jilted by Aragorn flying off the cliff to ever recover. :D I'm sure it's been said a bo-jillion times, but that so thoroughly disrupted the film that I began to notice every single non-book element thereafter. Call it lame, maybe it is.. but it happened, especially after the almost-flawless Fellowship of the Ring, which just made my expectations impossibly high.
Now I refer to the films as "Inspired by J.R.R Tolkien, Peter Jackson's: The Lord of the Rings!"
I'm struggling to think of any changes from book to film that I had a problem with. I guess I can just easily divorce the films from the books. Nitpicks like "The Uruks turn northeast" bug me a little, but there's just way too much awesome in these flicks to care about such trivialities.
I still own all of them, and am very thankful for the heaps of greatness in the films. Looking at today's cinema, I'm happy to say that it could have been much, much worse...
I don't think it could've been a great deal better.
Take out Aragorn cliff-diving and add the scouring of the shire, and I would be one of those fans...
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Never saw an issue with Aragorn falling off the cliff. Him being left behind, spying the Uruk army and reporting to Theoden just added a bit more pre-battle tension.
And the scouring would've been way too long for a film that already had 4 or 5 endings spread out over 20 minutes. Plus a small battle would've seemed sperfluous after the audience has sat through the Pelenor Fields and Morannon.
Look, I'm just glad these movies ended up getting made. A trilogy of insane-budget adaptations of a book series written over half a century ago, with only a cult following? f**king pipe dream stuff.
The John Boorman Version would have upset a lot of you more,
QuoteIn the 1970s John Boorman was contracted by United Artists to direct an adaptation that would have collapsed the entire story into a single film. Boorman corresponded with Tolkien about the project. In the script by Boorman and Rospo Pallenberg, many new elements have been inserted or modified. Among other things, Gimli is put in a hole and beaten so he can retrieve the password to Moria from his ancestral memory, Frodo and Galadriel have sexual intercourse, Arwen is made into a teenaged spiritual guide with her role as Aragorn's love interest wholly transferred to Éowyn, and Aragorn's healing of Éowyn takes place on the battlefield and given sexual overtones. The project ultimately proved too expensive to finance at that time. Again collaborating with Pallenberg, Boorman later made the Arthurian epic Excalibur where he used special effects techniques and locations intended for the Tolkien project.
That would have been batshit insane. :laugh:
Love me some Boorman.
Quote from: SM on May 23, 2011, 05:07:42 AM
I'm struggling to think of any changes from book to film that I had a problem with. I guess I can just easily divorce the films from the books. Nitpicks like "The Uruks turn northeast" bug me a little, but there's just way too much awesome in these flicks to care about such trivialities.
I agree, they are awesome, and I don't really care that much about the changes, but when the changes appear to have little thought beyond "this will look awesome" to them, it kind of irks me.
Quote from: SM on May 23, 2011, 06:09:23 AM
Never saw an issue with Aragorn falling off the cliff. Him being left behind, spying the Uruk army and reporting to Theoden just added a bit more pre-battle tension.
And the scouring would've been way too long for a film that already had 4 or 5 endings spread out over 20 minutes. Plus a small battle would've seemed sperfluous after the audience has sat through the Pelenor Fields and Morannon.
Agree with the scouring. But Aragorn falling off the cliff appears to be all too convenient. He's strapped to a wolf that's nearly as big as (or as big as) a horse and he can't get himself loose. He falls off a cliff with it, and conveniently 1) The warg dies and he lives, despite the human bodies' obvious inferiority by comparison, and 2) he gets loose. Now I'm willing to believe that. But then he gets taken by the stream who knows how far to the shore, and his horse finds him. Why did the Rohirrim let his horse wander around? They're horse-lords, and that's
their horse they lent him! Why, if they thought him dead, would they just leave a perfectly healthy horse to wander about, when it could be used in battle? It's just too bloody convenient and ridiculous for me.
Quote from: Pn2501 on May 23, 2011, 10:19:04 AM
The John Boorman Version would have upset a lot of you more,
QuoteIn the 1970s John Boorman was contracted by United Artists to direct an adaptation that would have collapsed the entire story into a single film. Boorman corresponded with Tolkien about the project. In the script by Boorman and Rospo Pallenberg, many new elements have been inserted or modified. Among other things, Gimli is put in a hole and beaten so he can retrieve the password to Moria from his ancestral memory, Frodo and Galadriel have sexual intercourse, Arwen is made into a teenaged spiritual guide with her role as Aragorn's love interest wholly transferred to Éowyn, and Aragorn's healing of Éowyn takes place on the battlefield and given sexual overtones. The project ultimately proved too expensive to finance at that time. Again collaborating with Pallenberg, Boorman later made the Arthurian epic Excalibur where he used special effects techniques and locations intended for the Tolkien project.
That would have been batshit insane. :laugh:
Love me some Boorman.
Great Jesus, that sounds horrendous. Although I must say I laughed at the beating Gimli in a hole bit. :D
QuoteGimli is put in a hole and beaten so he can retrieve the password to Moria from his ancestral memory
:laugh:
QuoteFrodo and Galadriel have sexual intercourse
:(
I'd pay money to see that.
Especially if it were Cate Blanchett.
Quote from: SM on May 23, 2011, 06:09:23 AM
Never saw an issue with Aragorn falling off the cliff. Him being left behind, spying the Uruk army and reporting to Theoden just added a bit more pre-battle tension.
And the scouring would've been way too long for a film that already had 4 or 5 endings spread out over 20 minutes. Plus a small battle would've seemed sperfluous after the audience has sat through the Pelenor Fields and Morannon.
The only thing about the cliff was, for me, that the movies had been so consistent before it that my brain developed a strange sense of trust for the films. When the cliff scene happened, I had to adjust my perception in order to continue to enjoy the rest of the movie (which was, really, very good.) This is something I believe most creators strive to avoid, a moment that really pulls the audience out of the story.
I agree that the scouring of the shire wouldn't have been possible, I mean I think they did a good job with Return of the King considering its' length.
And Gimli needs to be thrown in a hole and beaten anyway.
What about Elijah Wood midget porn?
MY MIND!
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Quote from: RagingDragon on May 23, 2011, 04:47:35 PM
Quote from: SM on May 23, 2011, 06:09:23 AM
Never saw an issue with Aragorn falling off the cliff. Him being left behind, spying the Uruk army and reporting to Theoden just added a bit more pre-battle tension.
And the scouring would've been way too long for a film that already had 4 or 5 endings spread out over 20 minutes. Plus a small battle would've seemed sperfluous after the audience has sat through the Pelenor Fields and Morannon.
The only thing about the cliff was, for me, that the movies had been so consistent before it that my brain developed a strange sense of trust for the films. When the cliff scene happened, I had to adjust my perception in order to continue to enjoy the rest of the movie (which was, really, very good.) This is something I believe most creators strive to avoid, a moment that really pulls the audience out of the story.
I agree that the scouring of the shire wouldn't have been possible, I mean I think they did a good job with Return of the King considering its' length.
And Gimli needs to be thrown in a hole and beaten anyway.
I did actually remember something I would change when watching ROTK last night. The bit where Aragorn brings the Dead Army into it is overdone in the Extended Edition. They should've cut after they escape and Aragorn sees the ships and think he's failed, then the King of the Dead emerges. Cut before he says "We fight". When he says this it makes the next scene when they take the corsairs out, redundant. Better to have trhe corsairs show up and give the audience the impression that things just got worse for the heroes, only to have Aragorn lead the Dead Army into battle. As it is that scene really just repeats the scene where they attack the corsairs.
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So, who else went to see Fellowship last night? The theater I was at was crowded, yet I managed to find a lucky spot in the middle. Everyone laughed during the funny parts, and was silent during the rest. Very humble crowd.
Can't wait for next week.
I might go catch Return for that Rohan charge bit. Shit's so epic.
deeeeaath
Uuuugh. Why do those cool things always happen elsewhere!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 15, 2011, 05:27:43 PM
Uuuugh. Why do those cool things always happen elsewhere!
Was thinking the exact same thing >:(
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 15, 2011, 04:51:12 PM
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So, who else went to see Fellowship last night? The theater I was at was crowded, yet I managed to find a lucky spot in the middle. Everyone laughed during the funny parts, and was silent during the rest. Very humble crowd.
Can't wait for next week.
Where?...
But man, I remembered how epic it was seeing Return in cinemas.
I was about...8 or 9 at the time I think, so epic seeing the Shelob and the Mumaks in big. :D
QuoteWhere?...
You have to check out the schedule for every cinema on Earth apparently.
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2011, 12:09:53 AM
QuoteWhere?...
You have to check out the schedule for every cinema on Earth apparently.
:D
This is totally irrelevant, but I got to see the big bomb - Alien, Director's Cut at an old-school theater in Denver 2 years ago. Midnight screening, insanely awesome crowd. Nobody said a facking word, standing ovation at the end. It was incredible.
Still scared people shitless just like I'm sure it did in '79. But I was -5 years old then...
I had to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRNdAscbpRo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRNdAscbpRo#ws)
So...am I the only one here who saw the re-releases and is eagerly expecting RotK this tuesday?
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 26, 2011, 04:25:25 PM
So...am I the only one here who saw the re-releases and is eagerly expecting RotK this tuesday?
Nope I saw both of them so far and can't wait till Tuesday, it's been a lot of fun going to them.
I might get killed for this but I have never watch these movies.
What are you standing around for?
I will most likely check them out when they come on blue ray
The theatrical editions are already on Blu-Ray.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jun 27, 2011, 12:43:51 AM
I will most likely check them out when they come on blue ray
It doesn't matter. Watch them now. Like...
RIGHT NOW!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8yOdAqBFcQ#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8yOdAqBFcQ#noexternalembed-ws)
Best movie scene from the past decade.
dat everything
Well I will do my best to see them ASAP but it is kinda hard to find like 12hrs to watch all three when you go to school and work full time haha.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jun 27, 2011, 03:46:08 PM
Well I will do my best to see them ASAP but it is kinda hard to find like 12hrs to watch all three when you go to school and work full time haha.
I didn't say anything about doing a marathon. :P
Just got back from Return of the King. Four very fast hours well spent.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 29, 2011, 06:52:25 AM
Just got back from Return of the King. Four very fast hours well spent.
Yeah I was surprised it went by so fast I think the first felt the longest out of the three. Was amazing seeing them again since I didn't see them in theatres when they first came out.
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lolz
http://gingerhaze.tumblr.com/tagged/the_Broship (http://gingerhaze.tumblr.com/tagged/the_Broship)
Sorry, but I had to post this:
Spoiler
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Nothing to be sorry about, that was fricking awesome. ;D
Aagh. So much power in that image.
Why is the full-size version so pricy? :'(
Do you guys know the extended editions are now out on Blu Ray?
Ill pick them up when theyre a bit cheaper and then ill discard the ugly ass boxset and put them into my original DVD cases. I love my Extended Edition DVDs, the way theyre designed to look like leather bound books on a shelf. Theyre great sets covered in artowork. The only problem is that this new Blu Ray set comes with three extra DVDs which the original DVD releases didnt have so they wont fit in. Its three behind the scenes documentaries so I might just watch them once and discard them anyway. Ill still have the six disc appendices.
Well I wouldnt have to get rid of them, just put them in a CD case and leave them in the drawer. But theres no way im getting rid of those awesome DVD sets, theyre the best in my collection.
Edit: On a slightly LOTR related note I went to Memory Day today which is held every year by the RVI Teenage Cancer Ward in Newcastle. They invite all the families of children whove passed away who were treated in the ward to get together every summer and they do a service and read out the names of all the children. Its a wonderful day and a really nice thing for the Ward to put on for the families. Anyway towards the end they always get everybody there to stand in a circle and write a note for their loved ones, which is then tied to a balloon. During this time they play a song and everybody releases the balloons into the air. Its a touching moment seeing nearly 400 balloons all tied with little notes, each one for each child. This year it was even more emotional for me because the song they played was from Fellowship of The Ring and it was a one my sister adored. Suffice to say I buckled. Everytime I hear this from now on its gonna make me well up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9Zj1CkPy8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9Zj1CkPy8#)
I am totally going to pick up the Blu-ray extended cuts. Love them to bits, and seeing them in HD will be a rewarding experience.
Quote from: Keg on Jul 02, 2011, 05:34:47 PM
Edit: On a slightly LOTR related note I went to Memory Day today which is held every year by the RVI Teenage Cancer Ward in Newcastle. They invite all the families of children whove passed away who were treated in the ward to get together every summer and they do a service and read out the names of all the children. Its a wonderful day and a really nice thing for the Ward to put on for the families. Anyway towards the end they always get everybody there to stand in a circle and write a note for their loved ones, which is then tied to a balloon. During this time they play a song and everybody releases the balloons into the air. Its a touching moment seeing nearly 400 balloons all tied with little notes, each one for each child. This year it was even more emotional for me because the song they played was from Fellowship of The Ring and it was a one my sister adored. Suffice to say I buckled. Everytime I hear this from now on its gonna make me well up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9Zj1CkPy8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9Zj1CkPy8#)
I almost teared up just reading that...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 02, 2011, 06:17:23 PM
I am totally going to pick up the Blu-ray extended cuts. Love them to bits, and seeing them in HD will be a rewarding experience.
This be the very reason why I bought a new, full HD TV + Blu-Ray DvD player ;D
Just ordered this.
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Over 400 pages where the author goes really in depth on the score.
Quote from: Laufey on Jul 15, 2011, 07:51:26 PM
Just ordered this.
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Over 400 pages where the author goes really in depth on the score.
That must be dense as f**k. But so rewarding...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc#ws)
Forgot to post pictures of my recent LoTR weapons purchases.
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HO-LY SHYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.
Now that is impressive, my god.
I want them all.
The Walking-Axe especially.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 16, 2011, 04:58:09 PMThe Walking-Axe especially.
I hear that. The axe, or Narsil.
Great collection, BLAIN. :)
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jul 05, 2011, 06:12:19 AM
Quote from: Keg on Jul 02, 2011, 05:34:47 PM
Edit: On a slightly LOTR related note I went to Memory Day today which is held every year by the RVI Teenage Cancer Ward in Newcastle. They invite all the families of children whove passed away who were treated in the ward to get together every summer and they do a service and read out the names of all the children. Its a wonderful day and a really nice thing for the Ward to put on for the families. Anyway towards the end they always get everybody there to stand in a circle and write a note for their loved ones, which is then tied to a balloon. During this time they play a song and everybody releases the balloons into the air. Its a touching moment seeing nearly 400 balloons all tied with little notes, each one for each child. This year it was even more emotional for me because the song they played was from Fellowship of The Ring and it was a one my sister adored. Suffice to say I buckled. Everytime I hear this from now on its gonna make me well up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9Zj1CkPy8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9Zj1CkPy8#)
I almost teared up just reading that...
Wow, same thing here...Beautiful song, beautiful story...
Oh, and by the way Laufey, that book is amazing...as long as you are intensely interested i the creation and writing of music.
Did anyone know that the extended edition blu rays are already out? Cause i just got back from Walmart and they were there man. They were there. I thought they were coming out ALOT later this year.
Bought a new artbook today.
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Check out this link to get a taste of what's in it. Pretty amazing stuff. :)
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197627 (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197627)
Quote from: BLAIN on Jul 17, 2011, 01:58:07 AMOh, and by the way Laufey, that book is amazing...as long as you are intensely interested i the creation and writing of music.
Much of this book might go way over my head, but hopefully I will be able to enjoy it anyway.
Slightly off-topic from The Lord of the Rings, but still existent in the universe;
Does anybody else think that Jackson should make a trilogy of movies The Silmarillion - and start production in about ten years?
Ten years separating The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, and ten years separating The Hobbit and The Silmarillion. I think Jackson could very creatively make a film based on that book. It is multiple stories, but I think they could tell it from a single characters point of view (possibly Elrond, or a Hobbit - because it is suggested that the book was translated from Bilbo's three-volume "Translations from the Elivsh" which he wrote in Rivendell), and have the tales through the book told through large flashbacks.
An opening 20 minutes (similar to 2001: A Space Odyssey of almost ZERO dialogue - just The Music of the Ainur, and images of the creation of the Universe by Eru.
It could be an epic three-films. And yet another addition to the Middle-earth saga on film:
01. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
02. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
03. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
04. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
05. The Hobbit: There and Back Again
06: The Silmarillion: Ainulindalë and Valaquenta
07: The Silmarillion: Quenta Silmarillion
08: The Silmarillion: Akallabêth
and just for fun...
09: The Adventures of Tom Bombadil
10: Unfinished Tales
(but I think those last two are extremely doubtful; however I think a Silmarillion trilogy is highly possible...just difficult).
I dunno...just a thought :)
Quote from: Shobidoo on Jul 17, 2011, 04:08:56 AM
Did anyone know that the extended edition blu rays are already out? Cause i just got back from Walmart and they were there man. They were there. I thought they were coming out ALOT later this year.
Yeah im thinking of picking them up tomorrow actually. If I get them ill be swapping them into my dvd cases because i love the look of them, the way theyre designed to look like three books on a shelf. Plus the artwork inside of them looks great. The Blu Ray case looks horrible.
Apparently though theres 3 extra discs with this release . Theres a behind the sceness dvd for each film now as well as the two appendixes for each film so theres 15 discs and my extended dvds only has room for 12 discs. I think ill watch the behind the scenes dvds and then just put them in empty cd cases in the drawer. Doesnt really bother me.
I should get this set. All I have are the first two regular editions on VHS, and the third extended on VHS.
Actually, I find the blu ray set to be stunning. Alas, it does not have the leather-bound book appearance of the DVD's, but then again, it is not split into three different sets, it is one big set. The front is held closed by a magnetic attachment, revealing the interior to be a map of middle earth. Each movie is in a very nice blu ray case, which though incredibly cool, are not leather bound. Inside each case is a gorgeous booklet describing ALL the features in that movie case. Also, each disc has some gorgeous artwork on it. I did not purchase the DVD extended versions, so I don't know if that was the case in those. It is quite a nice set, I must say.
Laufey: I purchased that book about a month ago. The visuals are absolutely stunning in it. He is an amazing artist and those paintings more than do justice to middle earth. I only disliked two paintings in the entire book.
Just watched this after your description of the set and actually im very impressed. It looks brilliant. The cover you see on the internet is just one of those paper overlays that you discard. My fears of a shit looking box are over. It actually looks awesome. Im definately going out and buying it now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waYjYguKOk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waYjYguKOk#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyXJBV0zlo4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyXJBV0zlo4#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUU7srBPY8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUU7srBPY8#)
Beautiful, magnificent singing.
I was supposed to post a video of an unboxing of the LOTr: Extended Edition DVD's to show how great they were but ive only just realised I posted a music video. Must have copied the wrong link.
Was it this one?
Edit: Sorry, you said DVD. This is the Blu-Ray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPjI9VXvHU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPjI9VXvHU#ws)
No the dvds. I love the DVDs, designed to look like leather books, and they opened up to reveal maps with the journey so far and they were covered in fantastic artowork. This new Blu Ray set is nice but aint a patch on the old DVD's.
No this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfrnTdy5EXw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfrnTdy5EXw#ws)
The door/portal emblem he talks about cant be seen very well on the video but its artwork of the door to Moria.
The Two Towers is exactly the same but with different artwork and the case has a reddish colour. Return of the King is the same again but is blue. They just look fantastic.
Yeah, the DVD set is amazing. Not to mention those statues you could get with it as well. :)
I own all of them, they're fabulous. So much detail and effort was put into them, they're a true gem amongst special editions.
I had The Argonath, but dropped the one with the beard (Isildur, I think) and the head came off. :'(
Thats my dilemma. Now that I own the Blu Rays its pointless keeping them, but I cant bring myself to get rid of them. I was going to just put the Blu Rays into the DVD cases but theres 3 extra discs with the Blu Rays that wont fit in.
The Blu Ray case is nice, but it aint got shit on them DVD's.
Does anyone know which the first official photo they released for Lord of the Rings was? Back before the movies was released that is. I wasn't really keeping an eye on things back then, so I'm just a little curious to what it was.
Quote from: Laufey on Jul 27, 2011, 10:48:44 AM
Was it this one?
Edit: Sorry, you said DVD. This is the Blu-Ray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPjI9VXvHU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPjI9VXvHU#ws)
The guys voice in the video reminds me of Guillermo Del Toro.
The DVD extended edition outer boxes were quite nice.
But the inner housings ... that long, unfurling, ungodly, never ending digipack landing strip ... I hated it.
Same thing with the Legacy Alien DVD box ... just horrid. You need to put the thing on the floor to get at the disks on the ends. What if you live in a crowded apartment ... you have to take it out to the driveway and ask neighbors to move their cars. "I have to disk 9 of the Alien Quadrilogy!"
I'm glad they did the new Alien Blu-Box like Rome.
LOTR Blu package is okay. Boring clam cases is better than the Audubon I suppose.
Except that you didnt need to unfold it all the way. If you wanted the film discs you unfolded the left sides and if you wanted the appendices you opened the right.
They were full of gorgeous artwork too and I think they are the nicest DVD sets ive ever had. Fantastic.
Never had the Legacy DVD's, I had the Quadrilogy. I can see that becoming ridiculous though. 4 DVDs in a fold out design is fine, but 9? Thats a bit much.
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I can't be the only one who thinks of Rob Schneider when he appears in FotR.
Hobbit fight! ;D
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Edit: Nice, can't wait to get my hands on this. ;D
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Edit: To see the scans from Empire, click the spoiler.
Spoiler
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Schweeeet.
Haha the Hobbits today. So cool.
That art is amazing too. Shelob and the Balrog are just amazing, though I believe I saw the B&W picture of the latter in one of the extra discs (or maybe it was a very similar one).
Awesome, Laufey, thank you.
I wish Mortensen would put a book together of all the photos he took.
Thanks Laufey. I'll save this for a rainy day.
For the Lego fans around here.
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Oh man does that mean we'll get a LEGO Balrog
Quote from: Laufey on Dec 18, 2011, 09:20:37 PM
For the Lego fans around here.
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f**k! YES!
Quote from: Laufey on Dec 18, 2011, 09:20:37 PM
For the Lego fans around here.
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f**king ace. :o
Quote from: Laufey on Dec 18, 2011, 09:20:37 PM
For the Lego fans around here.
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Thats so cute...
Hi guys I'm just going to drop this off here. :)
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Gimli's face along with 'okay Legolas... truth or dare?' got me.
Just got this as an early christmas gift. ;D
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Quote from: Laufey on Dec 23, 2011, 02:19:21 PM
Just got this as an early christmas gift. ;D
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Awesome. Is that a CD?
I was just wondering how often you guys watch these movies?
I always watch them closer to each other. Like, one a day. But, I only watch them about once a year. :-\
Ive just recently watched all three extended editions on blu ray. I'd say since their release ive seen them all at least 10 times. Ive watched the extended editions in one sitting once, with a monster hangover on a sunday a few years ago. Woke up and put the first film on at 10am and by the time id watched all three it was midnight.
I've done that. And I could easily do it again, they're that good. Don't think the Mrs would allow it though :laugh:
Mrs needz moar Middle Earth.
Quote from: Spartan113 on Jan 04, 2012, 07:37:12 AM
I was just wondering how often you guys watch these movies?
I always watch them closer to each other. Like, one a day. But, I only watch them about once a year. :-\
Been at least four or five years since watching them. So all these references in some posts I am reading are going over my head. Time to brush up my LOTR knowledge again, me thinks. :D
We might have talked about this before, but it slipps my mind right now, but have you read the books, First Blood? If so, what did you think of them?
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 04, 2012, 09:05:00 PM
We might have talked about this before, but it slipps my mind right now, but have you read the books, First Blood? If so, what did you think of them?
I have only read The Hobbit. And really enjoyed it.
I've read The Hobbit but it was over 10 years ago and I dont remember much. I tried reading LOTR and got about 3/4 through the second book (Two Towers) and I just couldnt face finishing the rest. I found them tedious and a chore to read.
I think sometime this year i'll re-read The Hobbit and ill give LOTR another bash. I think I was just too young at the time but now ive read countless books since and I may find it an easier read this time.
Quote from: First Blood on Jan 04, 2012, 09:06:53 PMI have only read The Hobbit. And really enjoyed it.
You and Nightmare Asylum need to get going with the trilogy. ;)
And speaking of LotR...
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I just started rereading the whole shebang, Hobbit first. Excited, I love the books, they are really a monumental work that other writers should aspire to instead of ripping off for fifty years.
The movies though, and this is going to inspire some genuine nerd rage... I love Fellowship, can tolerate The Two Towers, and can't stand, that's cannot stand, The Return of the King. It's like it went from perfect, stumbled down a little, then flew off a cliff and never recovered, for me :-\.
I'll spare you the in-depth review, and instead post this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc#ws)
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 04, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Jan 04, 2012, 09:06:53 PMI have only read The Hobbit. And really enjoyed it.
You and Nightmare Asylum need to get going with the trilogy. ;)
Reading something right now, but as soon as I'm finished, I'm going right to
The Hobbit. I was about ten when I read it. I tried to read it twice last year, but just never made it very far for whatever reason. But now, I'm determined. I'm hoping to read the trilogy for the first time as well.
My favorite is the Two Towers I think? Is that the one where they have a last stand battle at helms deep with the elve commandos? Which one had the crazy king who committed suicide by jumping off the castle?
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Jan 04, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
My favorite is the Two Towers I think? Is that the one where they have a last stand battle at helms deep with the elve commandos? Which one had the crazy king who committed suicide by jumping off the castle?
The latter is Return of the King, and yes Two Towers is the one you're talking about.
Quote from: Keg on Jan 04, 2012, 09:12:53 PM
I've read The Hobbit but it was over 10 years ago and I dont remember much. I tried reading LOTR and got about 3/4 through the second book (Two Towers) and I just couldnt face finishing the rest. I found them tedious and a chore to read.
I think sometime this year i'll re-read The Hobbit and ill give LOTR another bash. I think I was just too young at the time but now ive read countless books since and I may find it an easier read this time.
I gave up on Two Towers around the same point the first time I read it, after devouring The Hobbit and Fellowship. I reread it sometime later and the Frodo, Sam and Gollum stuff in TTT is the slowest stuff in the whole series. Once you get past it ROTK flies by.
Quote from: SM on Jan 05, 2012, 03:02:31 AM
I gave up on Two Towers around the same point the first time I read it, after devouring The Hobbit and Fellowship. I reread it sometime later and the Frodo, Sam and Gollum stuff in TTT is the slowest stuff in the whole series. Once you get past it ROTK flies by.
I know a lot of people that have a hard time during the Council of Elrond, and in The Hobbit as well, when they visit Rivendell.
Some of those conversations with Elrond in the books were...
lengthy.
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Had no problem with them.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 04, 2012, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Jan 04, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
My favorite is the Two Towers I think? Is that the one where they have a last stand battle at helms deep with the elve commandos? Which one had the crazy king who committed suicide by jumping off the castle?
The latter is Return of the King, and yes Two Towers is the one you're talking about.
My favorite is The Two Towers as well. That final battle at Helm's Deep - Man, it's just so epic.
Quote from: SM on Jan 05, 2012, 03:02:31 AM
Quote from: Keg on Jan 04, 2012, 09:12:53 PM
I've read The Hobbit but it was over 10 years ago and I dont remember much. I tried reading LOTR and got about 3/4 through the second book (Two Towers) and I just couldnt face finishing the rest. I found them tedious and a chore to read.
I think sometime this year i'll re-read The Hobbit and ill give LOTR another bash. I think I was just too young at the time but now ive read countless books since and I may find it an easier read this time.
I gave up on Two Towers around the same point the first time I read it, after devouring The Hobbit and Fellowship. I reread it sometime later and the Frodo, Sam and Gollum stuff in TTT is the slowest stuff in the whole series. Once you get past it ROTK flies by.
That's exactly the reason I couldnt stomach it. The frodo, sam and gollum story arc was dragging so much and if I remember rightly the books dont split everything up as neatly as the films, it follows one group of characters for a very long time and then switches back to what happened to another group during that same period. I just couldnt stomach it at the time, but i was very early teens and i'd barely read any books for years at that point.
As I gain more patience, I begin to be able to read more of it at a time, and I begin to appreciate the awesomeness even more.
Quote from: Keg on Jan 05, 2012, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 05, 2012, 03:02:31 AM
Quote from: Keg on Jan 04, 2012, 09:12:53 PM
I've read The Hobbit but it was over 10 years ago and I dont remember much. I tried reading LOTR and got about 3/4 through the second book (Two Towers) and I just couldnt face finishing the rest. I found them tedious and a chore to read.
I think sometime this year i'll re-read The Hobbit and ill give LOTR another bash. I think I was just too young at the time but now ive read countless books since and I may find it an easier read this time.
I gave up on Two Towers around the same point the first time I read it, after devouring The Hobbit and Fellowship. I reread it sometime later and the Frodo, Sam and Gollum stuff in TTT is the slowest stuff in the whole series. Once you get past it ROTK flies by.
That's exactly the reason I couldnt stomach it. The frodo, sam and gollum story arc was dragging so much and if I remember rightly the books dont split everything up as neatly as the films, it follows one group of characters for a very long time and then switches back to what happened to another group during that same period. I just couldnt stomach it at the time, but i was very early teens and i'd barely read any books for years at that point.
The cutting back and forth irritated me too initially. Especially after FOTR being so linear and Book 3 being really sweet with lots of different characters and culminating in Helms Deep, Book 4 can seem quite draggy. Book 6 gets a bit like that with Sam and Frodo struggling across Gorgoroth - but for whatever reason it works really well in that instance.
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Just found these two pictures on a LotR site that claims they are the Mouth of Sauron. This is obviously not the version they went with in the movie, so does anyone know if this look was even considered, or is it just fan made? I did a quick search on Wikipedia, but found no info on this. It did however say that Kate Winslet was once considered for the role. :laugh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_of_Sauron#In_adaptations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_of_Sauron#In_adaptations)
Quote from: SM on Jan 05, 2012, 03:02:31 AM
Quote from: Keg on Jan 04, 2012, 09:12:53 PM
I've read The Hobbit but it was over 10 years ago and I dont remember much. I tried reading LOTR and got about 3/4 through the second book (Two Towers) and I just couldnt face finishing the rest. I found them tedious and a chore to read.
I think sometime this year i'll re-read The Hobbit and ill give LOTR another bash. I think I was just too young at the time but now ive read countless books since and I may find it an easier read this time.
I gave up on Two Towers around the same point the first time I read it, after devouring The Hobbit and Fellowship. I reread it sometime later and the Frodo, Sam and Gollum stuff in TTT is the slowest stuff in the whole series. Once you get past it ROTK flies by.
I never got past around halfway through 'TTT'. I read 'the Hobbit' twice, though, or more times.
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Rereading all the books as well. Hobbit better be good :/ I really don't want to have to bitch about my destroyed childhood for another few weeks.
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And here's him just regular:
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Really looks nothing like:
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So I'd say Bullshit.
Quote from: BLAIN on Jan 15, 2012, 05:47:05 AM
Well Bruce Spence is the actor. You'll recognize him from these big roles:
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsS/16295-26017.gif
http://www.mediamikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/sith.jpg
And here's him just regular:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Bruce_Spence.JPG/200px-Bruce_Spence.JPG
Really looks nothing like:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8601/mouthofsauron.jpg
So I'd say Bullshit.
They might have considered another actor for the role though, like they did with Aragorn for example.
Star Wars, Mad Max, LOTR, Matrix, Narnia - want a successful franchise - get Bruce Spence.
;D
http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs (http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs)
gimme
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 15, 2012, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jan 15, 2012, 05:47:05 AM
Well Bruce Spence is the actor. You'll recognize him from these big roles:
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsS/16295-26017.gif
http://www.mediamikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/sith.jpg
And here's him just regular:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Bruce_Spence.JPG/200px-Bruce_Spence.JPG
Really looks nothing like:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8601/mouthofsauron.jpg
So I'd say Bullshit.
They might have considered another actor for the role though, like they did with Aragorn for example.
That's Richard O Brian (Rocky Horror, Dark City and not forgetting The Crystal Maze haha) and it looks like images from Dark City.
The mouth of sauron looked like this in the extended version.
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Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 25, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs (http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs)
gimme
Muhfugging YES!
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2012, 02:35:34 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 25, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs (http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs)
gimme
Muhfugging YES!
Oh COOOOOOOOOL. Look at that hair. :D
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 25, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs (http://kotaku.com/5879052/your-first-good-look-at-the-lego-lord-of-the-rings-minifigs)
gimme
Give them all to me!
Did anyone else not notice Gimli at first? He kinda blends in. :laugh:
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 30, 2012, 12:34:49 PM
Did anyone else not notice Gimli at first? He kinda blends in. :laugh:
Yeah. :D
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More pictures here.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/01/30/53265-for-your-exclusive-viewing-pleasure-lego-lord-of-the-rings-horribly-cute-bad-guys/ (http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/01/30/53265-for-your-exclusive-viewing-pleasure-lego-lord-of-the-rings-horribly-cute-bad-guys/)
Quote from: SM on Jan 15, 2012, 02:46:50 PM
Star Wars, Mad Max, LOTR, Matrix, Narnia - want a successful franchise - get Bruce Spence.
;D
Legend of the Seeker failed to get a third season (for good reason.. it sucked.) Bruce's magic is waning :'(
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 31, 2012, 02:03:15 AM
http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/520Gollum.jpg
More pictures here.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/01/30/53265-for-your-exclusive-viewing-pleasure-lego-lord-of-the-rings-horribly-cute-bad-guys/ (http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/01/30/53265-for-your-exclusive-viewing-pleasure-lego-lord-of-the-rings-horribly-cute-bad-guys/)
f**k yeah, Gollum! :o ;D
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 31, 2012, 02:03:15 AM
http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/520Gollum.jpg
More pictures here.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/01/30/53265-for-your-exclusive-viewing-pleasure-lego-lord-of-the-rings-horribly-cute-bad-guys/ (http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/01/30/53265-for-your-exclusive-viewing-pleasure-lego-lord-of-the-rings-horribly-cute-bad-guys/)
Just put them in stores already.
I cannot wait to see the big sets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w5y55RWj9E#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w5y55RWj9E#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQiNVk_u0po#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQiNVk_u0po#ws)
Recently got the extended editions literally just watched all the extras, question is what is the best commentary to watch/listen to first?
I know it is a bit of a shitty question since there probably all well done, but I want to know what the most interesting one is. I guessed since peter Jackson literally had the majority of choices to make his would be the most interesting conversation wise and in terms of descions, and since watching the features he has become my favorite person in the movie industry, but at the same time it won't be as funny or amusing as the cast one but that one has over 30 people in it so I am wondering if it is a bit cluttered, the one with John Howe in and Alan Lee the only thing I am interested about from them is what made one person only design one thing and how they choose rather than for example rather than both designing minas tirith for example and just see what one is better more effective. And the weta people I think I learnt all I needed to from the extras.
If you don't watch the actor one, you'll never know if you can double-tig a tag.
Hows the actor commentary one work, is it relative to scene or are they just in it from start to finish
Both.
I'd start with either the actors or Peter, Fran and Phillippa.
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That is some awesome cover art ^^
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Nice, but how come they used the Limited Edition cover art instead of something new?
Those originally were the teaser posters. My jaw dropped when I saw a large cardboard standee in the theater of the Fellowship one with the Argonath.
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I never did buy the trilogy set, so I may just cave in and buy these, funds allowing.
I'm still going to wait until the Ultimate Box Set when both trilogies are released to finally own these movies all at once.
I would love to wait, but unfortunately, I don't feel like waiting 2.5 years before watching LotR again, and I'm going to feel terrible going to see parts 2 and 3 of The Hobbit without watching the preceding ones in the days leading up to the releases :P
Yeah, I just need the Hobbits to match each other...there's no way I could go without LOTR that long.
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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=71205 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=71205)
Do want. :o
Ah, I finished the series at last! Overall, these films were excellent, surpassing most of my expectations. Two towers started off a little slow, but actually turned out to be my favorite.
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Are there more extras compared to the Trilogy EE BR boxset?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 12, 2012, 07:01:17 PM
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Are there more extras compared to the Trilogy EE BR boxset?
Nope. Pretty sure they are all the same; just individually released this time.
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You can be certain at some point in the future there will be some ultimate edition with new extras since there is still alot of deleted scenes that have never seen the light of day, anyone that still doesn't have these should hold off, if you can.
Quote from: Nightlord on Dec 12, 2012, 09:15:29 PM
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You can be certain at some point in the future there will be some ultimate edition with new extras since there is still alot of deleted scenes that have never seen the light of day, anyone that still doesn't have these should hold off, if you can.
No, before that comes out you'll have to buy the Extended Hobbit/LOTR Trilogy 6 movie 50 disc box set.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2012, 02:07:25 AM
Both.
I'd start with either the actors or Peter, Fran and Phillippa.
Strange posted it over a year ago and just today I'm finishing the peter, fran, phillipa Return of the king, and have now watched the whole trilogy at least 6 times or something ridiculous.
Just one thing I wanted to ask though, to do with the multiple endings point they said if they saw the problem or had heinsight with them that they would of shaped frodo's story so that it wouldn't have led to the multiple endings theory. I was just wondering what they would have done to the ark of his character or just events that would mean that missing out or changing the end wouldn't have been a problem. Tbh I'm probably not particularly bothered about this example but thinking of what they said confuses me as how it would affect it.
Quote from: Aspie on Dec 12, 2012, 06:30:04 PM
Ah, I finished the series at last! Overall, these films were excellent, surpassing most of my expectations. Two towers started off a little slow, but actually turned out to be my favorite.
Glad to see you loved them! :)
Finally something Aspie loves!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOIi9SjJvgU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOIi9SjJvgU#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIOS97_8Y3E#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIOS97_8Y3E#ws)
Quote from: Shasvre on Dec 13, 2012, 06:25:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOIi9SjJvgU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOIi9SjJvgU#ws)
Probably their best one yet! :D
THe whole thing was pretty entertaining, but the Sean Bean bit made me laugh very hard.
I just finished watching the FoTR extended edition for the first time in half a year.
I was on the verge of tears the whole time. It's embarrassing to admit, but I love this movie so much and it fills me with such joy that I almost burst. Especially the beginning, with the Shire. It makes me feel so peaceful and content in a way that no other film has ever done.
Plus, it's the film I have the fewest complaints about of the three, so there's that as well.
I know that feel. I love them all equally though.
Quote from: BANE on Dec 14, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
I just finished watching the FoTR extended edition for the first time in half a year.
I was on the verge of tears the whole time. It's embarrassing to admit, but I love this movie so much and it fills me with such joy that I almost burst. Especially the beginning, with the Shire. It makes me feel so peaceful and content in a way that no other film has ever done.
Plus, it's the film I have the fewest complaints about of the three, so there's that as well.
RotK does the exact same thing to me, well they all do, the best movies of all time far as I'm concerned and they'll never be topped.
Quote from: Rick Grimes on Dec 12, 2012, 10:57:34 PM
Finally something Aspie loves!
Hey! I love a lot of movies, I just have a different taste in them :P
Spoiler
Rocky is the greatest film of all time.
A movie about a man who sounds like he had 20 strokes getting the shit kicked out of him.
One of the best.
Quote from: BANE on Dec 14, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
A movie about a man who sounds like he had 20 strokes getting the shit kicked out of him.
One of the best.
Indeed.
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QuoteThis unusual unreleased picture of Elijah Wood as Frodo comes from a deleted scene intended to showcase this hobbit turning into a Gollum-like creature.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DragonBallNews/news/?a=71469#iaoVW2WjPdtKhSce.99 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DragonBallNews/news/?a=71469#iaoVW2WjPdtKhSce.99)
I havent seen that exact photo before, but I remember him being in the "gollumish" make-up. I think a brief glimpse of the scene is somewhere on one of the two towers' appendices discs. I remember Frodo hunkering in a corner in his transformed state and Faramir looking at him in horror and disgust.
more pics of Frodo Gollum:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=71644 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=71644)
Hey guys. I'm starting to do a bit of research on the Balrog for an article. Going to pop the extra DvDs of the extended edition later today. In the meantime, does anyone have useful bits of information on the bugger? I know it is based on John Howe's art but who nailed the final look?
Also I was wondering if anyone could post the descriptions from the original Silmarillion/Lord of the Rings books? I would take from my copy but it's the italian translation. Also quotes from him on the thing would also be tres cool. Many thanks [I'd give credit]. :)
EDIT: Does this book have something on the Balrog?
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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 05, 2013, 08:04:44 AMEDIT: Does this book have something on the Balrog?
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I don't know about that one, but the art book for
The Two Towers have some cool concept art of what the Balrog was supposed to look like when it was all wet and out of flame.
The 'Weapons and Warfare' book for the LoTR films has a good summary article for the movie version of the Balrog (it's vastly different from the book version). I've taken some pictures of it (don't really want to type it all out). If you have trouble reading it, let me know; I can go retrieve my better camera. It may be better to copy the links and look at them in a separate tab, and zoom in on it.
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QuoteThe ranks of the orcs had opened, and they crowded away, as if they themselves were afraid. Something was coming up behind them. What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and to go before it.
QuoteIt came to the edge of the fire and the light faded as if a cloud had bent over it. Then with a rush it leaped across the fissure. The flames roared up to greet it, and wreathed around it; and a black smoke swirled in the air. Its streaming mane kindled, and blazed behind it. In its right hand was a blade like a stabbing tongue of fire; in its left it held a whip of many thongs.
QuoteHis enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings. It raised the whip, and the thongs whined and cracked. Fire came from its nostrils.
QuoteThe Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew. It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall;....
QuoteWith a terrible cry the Balrog fell forward, and its shadow plunged down and vanished. But even as it fell it swung its whip, and the thongs lashed and curled about the wizard's knees, dragging him to the brink.
QuoteHis fire was quenched, but now he was a thing of slime, stronger than a strangling snake.
Quote'There upon Celebdil was a lonely window in the snow, and before it lay a narrow space, a dizzy eyrie above the mists of the world. The sun shone fiercely there, but all below was wrapped in cloud. Out he sprang, and even as I came behind, he burst into new flame.
QuoteA great smoke rose about us, vapour and steam. Ice fell like rain. I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountain-side where he smote it in ruin.
All from The Lord of the Rings.
BANE and NightLord, many thanks for these! :)
Yes, the article is going to feature a history of the original idea first and foremost. Going from the original pitches to how Tolkien changed the vision of the Balrogs as years went by and all that. Some space I'll give to the 'wing' issue which seems to be a heated (ha!) debate between two sides (none of which I am going to personally support in the article -- I'll just report both regardless of my own opinion). Then there'll be a comparison between the movie version and the novel version, followed by a description of the designing process of the former.
Again thank you. :)
Well, I am very eagerly anticipating this article ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 05, 2013, 06:39:15 PM
BANE and NightLord, many thanks for these! :)
Yes, the article is going to feature a history of the original idea first and foremost. Going from the original pitches to how Tolkien changed the vision of the Balrogs as years went by and all that. Some space I'll give to the 'wing' issue which seems to be a heated (ha!) debate between two sides (none of which I am going to personally support in the article -- I'll just report both regardless of my own opinion). Then there'll be a comparison between the movie version and the novel version, followed by a description of the designing process of the former.
Again thank you. :)
If you're going through the History of Balrogs, the History of Middle Earth series is a must have.
As for the wing issues, that debate has pretty much been put to rest; they don't.
I wasn't entirely sure where to post this, but if there is ever a movie of The Silmarillion, James McAvoy would like to play Gandalf.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=72150 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=72150)
Professor X growing up to be Magneto, eh?
I'll see if I can import that, BANE. Which volume specifically deals with this subject? Or is it spread inside all of them?
Regarding the debate I've already found some interesting pages on the matter. Of course some are really in depth whereas it'll be little more than a mention in my text.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 05, 2013, 06:39:15 PM
BANE and NightLord, many thanks for these! :)
Yes, the article is going to feature a history of the original idea first and foremost. Going from the original pitches to how Tolkien changed the vision of the Balrogs as years went by and all that. Some space I'll give to the 'wing' issue which seems to be a heated (ha!) debate between two sides (none of which I am going to personally support in the article -- I'll just report both regardless of my own opinion). Then there'll be a comparison between the movie version and the novel version, followed by a description of the designing process of the former.
Again thank you. :)
No problem.
Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 07:03:03 PM
If you're going through the History of Balrogs, the History of Middle Earth series is a must have.
As for the wing issues, that debate has pretty much been put to rest; they don't.
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They could of had them, there's as much evidence for as against them.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 05, 2013, 07:33:04 PM
I'll see if I can import that, BANE. Which volume specifically deals with this subject? Or is it spread inside all of them?
Regarding the debate I've already found some interesting pages on the matter. Of course some are really in depth whereas it'll be little more than a mention in my text.
There's twelve volumes in total. They would deal with Balrogs (in terms of when Tolkien was writing about them) pre-LoTR (i.e before he wrote LoTR), during LoTR (i.e the number and nature/characteristics of them then) and post LoTR (i.e revisions to Silmarillion texts and such). I think volumes 10,7,5,4,3, and 2 are the most relevant ones.
Quote from: Nightlord on Jan 05, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 07:03:03 PM
If you're going through the History of Balrogs, the History of Middle Earth series is a must have.
As for the wing issues, that debate has pretty much been put to rest; they don't.
http://i.imgur.com/O9JE4.gif
They could of had them, there's as much evidence for as against them.
There really isn't.
Eh. I'm not exactly in the best situation for such an import. I'll see if I can get 'em.
Regarding the wins issue I always separated (quite obviously) novel from film -- and although the description in the former really inspires the movie Balrog the wings are a particular continued simile (I haven't read the Silmarillion in any form). There's an article online comparing that passage to other parts where Tolkien uses the same technique. So I think the novel Balrogs were intended to be wingless. Tolkien may have changed mind and everything, but I would think he would have described them with more focus. When Tolkien described Smaug for one he made it clear that he had his wings 'folded like a immeasurable bat'.
I don't really make it a big deal however. Movie Balrog has wings. Ok. Whether Tolkien intended them to be wingless or not, the film simply acquires its own identity on the matter.
It's in no way worse of what was done with Relic, or Jurassic Park for that matter -- or other adaptations. I personally don't mind these things too much.
Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
Quote from: Nightlord on Jan 05, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 07:03:03 PM
If you're going through the History of Balrogs, the History of Middle Earth series is a must have.
As for the wing issues, that debate has pretty much been put to rest; they don't.
http://i.imgur.com/O9JE4.gif
They could of had them, there's as much evidence for as against them.
There really isn't.
There really is though, their description is ambiguous enough that a certain answer ain't gonna happen.
Did you see my revised list? I narrowed it down to 6 for you.
And I'm not complaining about the film Balrog (I loved it. One of my (if not my) favourite movie monsters. What's your ranking of it, if I may ask?). I just wanted to let you know it's a lot different in the novels than in the movies, is all.
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If you're going through the History of Balrogs, the History of Middle Earth series is a must have.
As for the wing issues, that debate has pretty much been put to rest; they don't.
http://i.imgur.com/O9JE4.gif
They could of had them, there's as much evidence for as against them.
There really isn't.
There really is though, their description is ambiguous enough that a certain answer ain't gonna happen.
It has (http://www.lotrplaza.com/showthread.php?15468-On-Balrogs)
Oh sorry, I did not see that you edited your post. Again, thank you. :) I will see what I can do. Perhaps I can implement the article whenever I will be able to get them.
I'm pretty aware the novel and film versions are different from each other. While the description of engulfing flame, shadow, blazing mane are evocative, the novel one is much more humanoid and vague. The film version mantained humanlike shoulders (which are the key to make a design reminiscent of a man without the former being totally humanlike) but otherwise featured some differences (the wings arguably being one).
The film Balrog has always been really awe inspiring for me. As a kid I used to rewind my VHSs pretty frequently in certain sequences, and my VHS of The Fellowship of the Ring is very worn out because of that. When the sequence finished with the Balrog falling I would just rewind and play it again. Same for the opening and flashback of The Two Towers.
It is really a tremendous monster -- always has been one of my favourites. I love its head, it really makes you think of the embodiment of Fiery Death. In addition, I really like how the jaws close together, with this alternation of long fangs and smaller teeth. Its white, glowing eyes... really sell it as something of an ancient world, something more primordial and obscure. When it first appears and roars, with that heat wave coming out of its jaws... sheer spectacle. I also love the lava-like textures and characteristics. 'Shadow and Flame'. Really a magnificent design -- and perhaps my favourite to come out of the films.
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Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
Quote from: Nightlord on Jan 05, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 07:03:03 PM
If you're going through the History of Balrogs, the History of Middle Earth series is a must have.
As for the wing issues, that debate has pretty much been put to rest; they don't.
http://i.imgur.com/O9JE4.gif
They could of had them, there's as much evidence for as against them.
There really isn't.
There really is though, their description is ambiguous enough that a certain answer ain't gonna happen.
It has (http://www.lotrplaza.com/showthread.php?15468-On-Balrogs)
Read it, still don't agree with anti-wingers, as much supposition as the pro-wingers.
Still ambiguous to me. (http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TAB6.html)
Quote from: Nightlord on Jan 06, 2013, 12:25:52 AM
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Quote from: Nightlord on Jan 05, 2013, 09:20:11 PM
Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
Quote from: Nightlord on Jan 05, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: BANE on Jan 05, 2013, 07:03:03 PM
If you're going through the History of Balrogs, the History of Middle Earth series is a must have.
As for the wing issues, that debate has pretty much been put to rest; they don't.
http://i.imgur.com/O9JE4.gif
They could of had them, there's as much evidence for as against them.
There really isn't.
There really is though, their description is ambiguous enough that a certain answer ain't gonna happen.
It has (http://www.lotrplaza.com/showthread.php?15468-On-Balrogs)
Read it, still don't agree with anti-wingers, as much supposition as the pro-wingers.
Still ambiguous to me. (http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TAB6.html)
I don't see how.
Man, there's nothing you won't argue about huh?
"Yes there is."
"No there isn't."
etc.
"I came here for an argument."
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmusingsofaspiritualtraveler.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2Fargument-clinic-monty-python.jpg&hash=d9d4b9e6266d89ba65ce4b92f7c3558886d7cafe)
"No, you didn't."
Brilliant. I had an argument just yesterday with my mom that ended up being a quote-fest from that very sketch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzti9LP7gN8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzti9LP7gN8#ws)
Kinda like the mega trailer on the ROTK theatrical dvd. I really wish they would do something like that with the MCU phase 1 movies.
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That's brilliant.
Anyone has watched this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_of_Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_of_Hope)
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 23, 2013, 08:48:03 PM
Anyone has watched this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_of_Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_of_Hope)
Yes i have, and 'the hunt for gollum'. They are decent Fan films.
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2013, 12:47:33 AM
"I came here for an argument."
http://musingsofaspiritualtraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/argument-clinic-monty-python.jpg
"No, you didn't."
A brilliant sketch. :D
Enjoy these favorites of mine as well:
Philosophers Footballhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8#)
The Four Yorkshiremenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw#)
Funniest Joke In The Worldhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9XJeL2MNpw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9XJeL2MNpw#)
And this bonus sketch is for Shas...
Merry Christmas... :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw#)
Reposting here because this is fantastic:
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Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2013, 12:47:33 AM
"I came here for an argument."
http://musingsofaspiritualtraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/argument-clinic-monty-python.jpg
"No, you didn't."
A brilliant sketch. :D
Enjoy these favorites of mine as well:
Philosophers Football
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8#)
The Four Yorkshiremen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw#)
Funniest Joke In The World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9XJeL2MNpw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9XJeL2MNpw#)
And this bonus sketch is for Shas... Merry Christmas... :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw#)
Think I'll have to break out the Flying Circus DVDs in my post-Christmas sloth.
I recently saw Smaug (the film) and I have to say I loved it. Again whatever it is that's getting these films a bad rep must be going over my head. And Smaug the Dragon was INCREDIBLE!
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http://89ravenclaw.deviantart.com/ (http://89ravenclaw.deviantart.com/)
Wonderful! ;D
(https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1517491_469059866537534_659049541_n.jpg)
Does anyone have a bigger version of this?
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Wow.
Shadowfax is dead.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=97968 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=97968)
Which one of the "original 3" Peter Jackson trilogy is favored around here? I personally think the one with the battle at Hems Deep is the best....
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Apr 12, 2014, 06:13:50 PM
Which one of the "original 3" Peter Jackson trilogy is favored around here? I personally think the one with the battle at Hems Deep is the best....
The Fellowship of the Ring, due to its smaller scale and less awkward humor.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Apr 12, 2014, 06:13:50 PM
the battle at Hems Deep is the best....
Ah, yes -- who could forget that epic sewing competition.
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 12, 2014, 06:15:55 PM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Apr 12, 2014, 06:13:50 PM
the battle at Hems Deep is the best....
Ah, yes -- who could forget that epic sewing competition.
:laugh: Why couldn't you have been
my grammer teacher in grade school?
... ;)
Quote from: Shasvre on Apr 12, 2014, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Apr 12, 2014, 06:13:50 PM
Which one of the "original 3" Peter Jackson trilogy is favored around here? I personally think the one with the battle at Hems Deep is the best....
The Fellowship of the Ring, due to its smaller scale and less awkward humor.
It was the best all around film more me as well. I liked many parts of The Two Towers, and many parts of Return of the King. But those two films suffer from a phenomenon that I like to call "No one can tell Peter Jackson No."
Every film the man has made since has suffered in someway from this.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Apr 12, 2014, 06:22:57 PMIt was the best all around film more me as well. I liked many parts of The Two Towers, and many parts of Return of the King. But those two films suffer from a phenomenon that I like to call "No one can tell Peter Jackson No."
Those two films are certainly more epic. I still get chills watching the Rohirrim charge at Helm's Deep or at the field of Pelennor.
The first film had Gandalf the Grey, which is far superior to Gandalf the White. Even McKellen himself admitted to the Grey being a lot more fun to play.
I see them as a single film, though if one twisted my wrist I would say Fellowship of the Ring too. I am very affectioned to it.
Fellowship is the weakest for me, though I haven't watched them all in about eight years. That last act is so severely compromised by that dreadful fake slow-mo :-X (though not to the degree the islanders scenes in
King Kong are, yeck).
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Apr 12, 2014, 06:22:57 PM
:laugh: Why couldn't you have been my grammer teacher in grade school?
MUST...NOT...CORRECT....ERGGHHH!!!!!! :P
I consider them one movie as well, but with a gun to my head I'd say Return of the King. That's where everything comes full circle and concludes everything very nicely, even if it does have the one minor plot point I don't like the trilogy as a whole.
Felowship had the Balrog, motherf**kers.
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Quote from: Shasvre on Apr 12, 2014, 06:26:03 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Apr 12, 2014, 06:22:57 PMIt was the best all around film more me as well. I liked many parts of The Two Towers, and many parts of Return of the King. But those two films suffer from a phenomenon that I like to call "No one can tell Peter Jackson No."
Those two films are certainly more epic. I still get chills watching the Rohirrim charge at Helm's Deep or at the field of Pelennor.
Those are the parts that I liked!
Really I loved all of them. I guess I prefer looking at it like Omega ... one big ass film.
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 12, 2014, 06:27:05 PM
Fellowship is the weakest for me, though I haven't watched them all in about eight years. That last act is so severely compromised by that dreadful fake slow-mo :-X (though not to the degree the islanders scenes in King Kong are, yeck).
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Apr 12, 2014, 06:22:57 PM
:laugh: Why couldn't you have been my grammer teacher in grade school?
MUST...NOT...CORRECT....ERGGHHH!!!!!! :P
Ahhh just like the good ol' days.
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/297x270q90/525/grammershaw.png)
Actually just finished watching King Kong although the slow-mo isn't great, it's still a great film IMO.
I like the big maggot that eats that dudes head
King Kong rocks, and I am in no way biased towards that film. Not at all.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 12, 2014, 06:26:29 PM
I see them as a single film, though if one twisted my wrist I would say Fellowship of the Ring too. I am very affectioned to it.
I find myself in complete agreement.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 12, 2014, 11:14:08 PM
King Kong rocks, and I am in no way biased towards that film. Not at all.
Yup yup.
I honestly can't decide, I like all three so much it's impossible for me. It is however always teetering between
Fellowship and
Return.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 12, 2014, 11:14:51 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 12, 2014, 11:14:08 PM
King Kong rocks, and I am in no way biased towards that film. Not at all.
Yup yup.
mah niggas 8)
Fellowship was my favorite,but truthfully I see them all as one big movie aswell. Like the original star wars trilogy to me. I love each one just as much as the other and each one wouldnt be what it is without them.
Quote from: Vepariga on Apr 13, 2014, 12:16:22 AM
Fellowship was my favorite,but truthfully I see them all as one big movie aswell. Like the original star wars trilogy to me. I love each one just as much as the other and each one wouldnt be what it is without them.
Hit the nail on the head.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 12, 2014, 11:14:08 PM
King Kong rocks, and I am in no way biased towards that film. Not at all.
It is phenomenal, especially visually probably the best stuff I've ever seen. When I see a Movie that relies heavily on CGI, I always measure it against the KONG.
Viggo Mortensen comments on the films.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=31171 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=31171)
Quote"It was very confusing, we were going at such a pace, and they had so many units shooting, it was really insane," Mortensen explained. "In the first movie, yes, there's Rivendell, and Mordor, but there's sort of an organic quality to it, actors acting with each other, and real landscapes; it's grittier. The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with 'The Hobbit,' one and two, it's like that to the power of 10."
Quote from: Laufey on May 17, 2014, 02:20:53 PM
Viggo Mortensen comments on the films.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=31171 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=31171)
Quote"It was very confusing, we were going at such a pace, and they had so many units shooting, it was really insane," Mortensen explained. "In the first movie, yes, there's Rivendell, and Mordor, but there's sort of an organic quality to it, actors acting with each other, and real landscapes; it's grittier. The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with 'The Hobbit,' one and two, it's like that to the power of 10."
I wholeheartedly agree.
He's a bit naive about the other 2 lord of the rings movies. How can you make a battle on the pellenor fields not grandiose? That juist costs.
However, I agree with what he says about the hobbit movies.
He's not wrong though. I think Viggo understands the need for expanded sets and landscapes. But the over all disconnect is there on Two Towers and Return of the King. Not bad movies. But could have been more 'real' like it Fellowship. Over all I feel where he was coming from ... and have said so on this very page.
The genie is out of the bottle. Good observation, Viggo.
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 17, 2014, 02:35:46 PMHe's a bit naive about the other 2 lord of the rings movies. How can you make a battle on the pellenor fields not grandiose? That juist costs.
To me it sounds like he didn't have a problem with it being grandiose, but rather that the things that should have kept small were made big. To me a perfect example would be the death of Denethor. :D
Haven't seen it posted elsewhere, so;
https://youtu.be/ElPJr_tKkO4
And to be clear, in regards to Peter Jackson's LOTR- it's the one property I prefer over the book it's based upon.
Spoiler
Apart from nearly any Stephen King adaptation and Under The Skin.
I see them all as one extended film, and a real masterpiece of traditional fantasy
that nothing else matches cinematically, except maybe TWH.
Still like the Hobbit films. ::)
Ok? It's not a personal attack.
It's just an amazing breakdown that even interviews the cast
and looks at the horrific effect the film(s) production had upon New Zealand labour law.
Hah, I know.. it's just that they always get so much flak.
Ehh, I think it's overblown. But to each their own.
It's the farthest apart qualitatively I've seen two pieces of media from the same group of creators be.
That's the thing I couldn't put my finger on, until Lindsay Ellis explained exactly why.
The no pre-production being a enormous factor.
I was able to enjoy them for the good moments.
I couldn't, the artificial lighting alone at times nearly gave me headaches.
It ought've been a simple children's tale, but everything was so overdone and drawn out.
The complete opposite of LOTR, where I felt not a moment was wasted or pointless.
Honestly it's quite a miracle they turned out the way they did. They're very flawed but I like them regardless. Hell, I like them for Howard Shore's music alone. Still waiting for those Complete Recordings!
You can't beat Howard Shore with a stick.
But watch the videos, you'll find even unfortunately he was rushed-
so much so, he was reusing the Ringwraith theme for Thorin Oakenshield.
A real shame because now in retrospect, we'll never know what he might have invented if given more time.
I wonder if he'll return for the Amazon series.
Actually, it was Peter's decision to use the Ringwraith theme at the end of AUJ. The album has the original version, as intended by Shore:
at around 4:17
Same for the usage of other themes from the original films, like
Gondor Reborn when Bilbo & Thorin hug. Doesn't really have anything to do with Shore not having enough time, it's just strange decisions made by Peter Jackson. Seems like he was afraid it would sound too different. A shame because Shore's music is very precise and carefully constricted with so many themes/motifs. And Peter just threw it out of the window there. Thankfully the other two films didn't suffer from this as much.
But yeah, I hope Shore is back for the TV series.
Huh, weird, at least I've got music I haven't heard before to listen to now.
I'd wager it was something to do with the decision to create a Trilogy part-way through production, (for various reasons)
therefore making it more akin to LOTR.
My Dad doesn't even enjoy The Hobbit Trilogy and that's a man you'd be hard pressed to displease.
Spoiler
Explains me. lol
Quote from: SM on Jun 03, 2019, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 02, 2019, 11:53:33 PM
Still like the Hobbit films. ::)
Me too.
I dig the dragon design, if that means something ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 03, 2019, 12:32:30 AM
Huh, weird, at least I've got music I haven't heard before to listen to now.
I'd wager it was something to do with the decision to create a Trilogy part-way through production, (for various reasons)
therefore making it more akin to LOTR.
My Dad doesn't even enjoy The Hobbit Trilogy and that's a man you'd be hard pressed to displease.
Spoiler
Explains me. lol
Yeah it is weird, there are lots of moments on the soundtrack that are different in the film. The worst part is IMO that they totally cut out this lovely theme for Bilbo:
http://youtu.be/u5yhKx9sRTY?t=282 (http://youtu.be/u5yhKx9sRTY?t=282)
... and replaced it with the Shire theme. A shame because it was original and memorable. :-\ Even Radagast's theme was mostly removed in the film. But yeah like you said, they probably wanted to make sure it felt more like a LOTR film and thought that using more music from LOTR would help.
Howard Shore is always total perfection honestly, removal of the man's work is a sacrilegious offense.
All the more reason to be annoyed at The Hobbit adaptation!
I jest. Now, LOTR Trilogy 4K please.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,The crownless again shall be king.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 03, 2019, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 03, 2019, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 02, 2019, 11:53:33 PM
Still like the Hobbit films. ::)
Me too.
I dig the dragon design, if that means something ;D
I just dig spending more time in Jackson's version of Middle Earth.
If I wanted to do that, I'd just re-watch LOTR or the amazing BTS documentary.
Or there's no stopping me reading The Silmarillion whilst listening to Howard Shore's music.
I have no wish to sully my memory of Peter Jackson's LOTR incarnation further with the awful forced Hobbit adaptation.
I wish I could spend time with more of Tolkien's version of Middle Earth.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 03, 2019, 12:59:02 AM
If I wanted to do that, I'd just re-watch LOTR or the amazing BTS documentary.
Or there's no stopping me reading The Silmarillion whilst listening to Howard Shore's music.
I have no wish to sully my memory of Peter Jackson's LOTR incarnation further with the awful forced Hobbit adaptation.
How perfectly awful for you.
I don't know what you intend to mean by that, but I'll just assume it was nothing good or wise.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 03, 2019, 01:05:56 AM
Quote from: Samhain on Jun 03, 2019, 01:00:15 AM
I wish I could spend time with more of Tolkien's version of Middle Earth.
Read everything?
I meant as in "I wish Tolkien could have written more books".
Already read everything multiple times.
So do all of us that live to read all Tolkien's work but that is not fo us to decide,
all you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.
(https://preview.redd.it/mdc3an2c58131.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=17acf80203605f0253276aca9df3f2c5d890fe1f)
If you've read all of those, I recommend The Wheel Of Time, The Witcher or Terry Pratchett's Mort Trilogy.
Unfinished Tales was the first I read, absolutely love it.
Regardless of but maybe partially because of it's unfinished nature.
I've tried to read everything, but usually end up tapping out before finishing the History of Middle-Earth.
Weak
Only joking, only read LOTR myself once but read The Hobbit countless times and The Silmarillion.
But never bothered with Gondolin, Hurin or Of Beren and Luthien.
Especially had trouble keeping the names straight in Of Beren and Luthien.
I'm good with The Silm, Hurin, and Unfinished Tales. It's just HoME that destroys me heh.
I bought the Howard Shore Complete recordings on Vinyl. Cost me and arm and a leg for all three.
I do concur though, the Hobbit is bollocks, perhaps only because it should have been a maximum of two films not three. Whilst I get hanging out in Middle Earth is cool, it's much cooler in LOTR when there's a reason for it, where as the Hobbit feels more like "Hanging out" in middle earth to meet the run time.
Hobbit half the size is probably cool and the big ones should have been home release. Mind you even the LOTR extended are better so there goes that theory.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 03, 2019, 01:16:34 AM
If you've read all of those, I recommend The Wheel Of Time, The Witcher or Terry Pratchett's Mort Trilogy.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I've read the hobbit, and most of LOTR.
I loved the hobbit though, and I enjoy the movie trilogy on its own merits as well.
Quote from: SM on Jun 03, 2019, 12:55:31 AMI just dig spending more time in Jackson's version of Middle Earth.
Me too. That's partially why I enjoyed Shadow of Mordor so much.
I empathize with Christopher Tolkien regarding Shadow of Mordor and The Hobbit Trilogy.
I loved the first Shadow of Mordor despite the canon inconsistencies and goofiness. It was just really fun. I have the second one but I still have to finish it.. read some spoilers though, and I feel like they went a bit too far.
Spoiler
Talion turning into one of the Nazgûl.. okay
Christopher Tolkien seems to dislike most adaptations though, including the first trilogy.
It's totally off the rails, lore, story-wise and tonally and honestly I never liked Assassin's Creed so I don't really care for the gameplay. I'd rather just play The Two Towers or The Return of the King game, and they have Co-op.
Spoiler
And microtransactions are repugnant.
And yes, I know the first game didn't have them.
Because Christopher Tolkien has a personal attachment to the source material and a very personal interpretation.
I believe it's evidently telling though, Christopher Tolkien allowed for both the LOTR and The Hobbit adaptations but only after the result of The Hobbit Trilogy restricted Peter Jackson's access to further potential adaptation.
How do you feel about Aragorn falling off his horse?
I think it's totally inconsequential.
An adaptation is an adaptation, and as I've said before ought to be judged on it's own merits- as long as it respects the spirit of the original idea.
Acceptable answer. I've heard people whinge about it for years, but I never understood why.
Forgive me for being blunt, but people have no right to whinge about the changes from the book to the film in regards to LOTR. So many other adaptations are far more drastic in their changes, and didn't result in three Oscar-winning masterpieces.
Not to mention it's a moot point for those who never read the books, like me. After the trilogy, I did purchase the audio books and listened to them during long distance driving trips for my job. But they just didn't grab me enough to even finish them. LOTR is still the greatest trilogy in film history, imo.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jun 03, 2019, 04:10:27 PM
Not to mention it's a moot point for those who never read the books, like me. After the trilogy, I did purchase the audio books and listened to them during long distance driving trips for my job. But they just didn't grab me enough to even finish them. LOTR is still the greatest trilogy in film history, imo.
Same. Tolkien's writing style just wasn't for me. I'm glad they adapted his works though.
I read Hobbit a million times growing up. Read TLotR trilogy last year for the first time and adored it. Didn't think the writing was really much harder to get into than The Hobbit's.
The Silmarillion had a bit more of a curve, but I was totally enamored by what was going on in there as well. It was a long read, but so very much worth it.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 03, 2019, 01:16:34 AM
If you've read all of those, I recommend The Wheel Of Time, The Witcher or Terry Pratchett's Mort Trilogy.
I also recommend:
Joe Abercrombie's The First Law Trilogy: The Blade Itself (2006),
Before They Are Hanged (2007) and
Last Argument of Kings (2008). Absolutely mind blowing fantasy. If you're
The Witcher or
A Song of Ice and Fire fan you will love it!
Joe also wrote standalone novels set in the same world as
The First Law Trilogy which are great as well:
Best Served Cold (2009)
The Heroes (2011)
Red Country (2012)Patrick Rothfuss' The Kingkiller Chronicle: The Name of the Wind (2007),
The Wise Man's Fear (2011) and upcoming
The Doors of Stone is still to be released. Masterfully written.
They're absolutely top notch. I guarantee you're gonna like it. The First Law Trilogy is bloody epic.
Thank you for the recommendations, I'd never heard of them.
I think I'll wait until the other finishes though, I've been burnt previously by a unfitting ending.
Abercrombie's style is like Sapkowski's. He moves fast and doesn't mess around. His style is dark, brutal, cynical and humorous. Patrick Rothfuss takes his time. It's very slow-burn but compelling as hell. Both different but masterful writers.
The former definitely sounds right up my alley, alright- you've got me. Added to the list.
Trust me, I don't recommend crap when comes to books ;)
Ha, good!
Also Lindsay Ellis' Hobbit Documentary's nominated for a Hugo Award.
http://canyouactually.com/lego-battle-of-helms-deep/
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I'm here to seek consensus regarding Tom Bombadil.
Loved the Bombadil chapters in the book and would have happily watched him in the film, though I do understand the choice to leave him out.
I like those chapters in the book, but it would have to be a cameo at most in a movie.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2020, 05:59:04 AM
I'm here to seek consensus regarding Tom Bombadil.
Are you f'king kidding me? He's the most interesting character in the entire trilogy. A true enigma. He is also a merry fellow.
But what is he?
Ah, now that is a question for the ages.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 26, 2020, 09:15:20 PM
Ah, now that is a question for the ages.
That's why I'm seeking consensus.
Nightmare knows what's up.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 26, 2020, 09:15:20 PM
Ah, now that is a question for the ages.
That's why I'm seeking consensus.
You won't find it. Tolkien made his origins intentionally vague. People have been debating it for decades.
Just like Fincher lul...
Your meaning?
Looks like Josh Gad will be doing a cast reunion from LotR
https://twitter.com/theoneringnet/status/1265731202683551744
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1628873246308454400
It'll be the Tolkien version of the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
Standalone Dunedain story please.
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https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1628892413505806337
The adventures of Tom Bombadil please.*
*Not that I'd watch it though, just want to see how much they f*ck it up.
How anout 👉👈
~ 🍂Beren & Lúthien🍂 ~
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~ 🍁🍂The Children of Húrin🍂🍁 ~
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~ 🥀🍂The Fall of Gondolin🥀🍂 ~
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The Fall of Gondolin and The Fall of Numenor would be f**king epic but it seems like they want to focus on the Third Era. So let me repeat myself ... Standalone Dunedain story please ;D
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I just want a not f**ked with DNR 4K transfer.
@Ingwar We'll probably get new films that integrate seamlessly with Rings of Power. It'll be the rebooted Tolkien Cinematic Universe.
I don't know about that. It's two different companies (Amazon and WB) and it seems like WB doesn't want to be associated with Rings of Power. At least this is how I'm reading it.
Here's hoping.
https://twitter.com/GamesRadar/status/1630950017031630849
Give us good 4K transfers first.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2023, 07:20:58 PMGive us good 4K transfers first.
4k transfers of the super extended cuts?
https://twitter.com/joblocom/status/493107449440657408
The LOTR trilogy might welcome this, but not the Hobbit one.
The Hobbit trilogy was simultaneously both cool and good.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2023, 11:36:18 PMThe Hobbit trilogy was simultaneously both cool and good.
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They should release a 3 hours edit of the Hobbit TRILOGY.
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 25, 2023, 03:45:49 PMThey should release a 3 hours edit of the Hobbit TRILOGY.
I'm sure it must already exists on a fan edit website......right?
It does, several versions.
Quote from: T Dog on Mar 25, 2023, 04:49:44 PMQuote from: Magegg on Mar 25, 2023, 03:45:49 PMThey should release a 3 hours edit of the Hobbit TRILOGY.
I'm sure it must already exists on a fan edit website......right?
Yeah. But fan edits are fan edits.