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Title: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Darkness on Aug 13, 2004, 11:38:46 PM

Every movie gets its fair share of bad reviews and I think Alien vs Predator has been hit full force with film reviewers. Even after reading these reviews and hearing what other people have said, my enthusiasm for this film has fallen greatly. Here’s links to the negative reviews:

FilmJerk (Rating D)
LatinoReview (Rating F)
BloodyDisgusting (Rating 1)
Horror.com
WaffleMovies (Rating 0.5/5)
Efilmcritic
The Movie Boy (Rating 2/4)
Slant Magazine (Rating 2/4)
KillerMovie Reviews
CHUD (Rating 5/10)
Newsnet5 (Rating 2/5)
JoBlo’s (Rating 5/10)

The good AvP reviews round up will follow shortly. Thanks to Sentinel and Oh for the news.

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Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Henry408 on Aug 14, 2004, 11:45:30 AM
Stan Winston should of done it i told u guys
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: El Diablo on Aug 14, 2004, 11:50:24 AM
MILD SPOILERS....  This isn't the cinematic atrocity that everyone is making it out to be. I've seen bad. Bad is Battlefield Earth, Catwoman and Species 2. AVP is flawed but it isn't a total failure. It is incredibly entertaining and even though it didn't live up to the original movies it's still better than I expected it to be.  I agree that the Lex/Scar team-up was poorly done. Visually, it didn't have the impact I was hoping it would. Whenever the camera had to add Sanna Lathan in the same frame as the Predator he looked like a man in a suit, especially during the "running" scenes. It also happened too quickly and too easily and seemed way out of character for a Predator that just slaughtered many of her human comrades. Once they formed an alliance the movie kind of went downhill for me. Still, it wasn't a horrible movie (some of these reviews are getting savage) and at it's worst it is simply mediocre. The lamest parts to the movie were no worse than that of the Devlin/Emmerich sci-fi of Stargate or ID4. Entertaining but not a classic by any means.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 11:59:23 AM
we've been waitin years for this movie and this is what we get pg13, pretty much 1 pred becuase the other 2 r killed within minutes, only 87 mins long and 45 mins without alien or pred wtf this sucks if there is a sequel which i rly doubt we better get a diff director


paul anderson says hes the biggest fan of aliens and predator bull shit he ruined this 4 every1, scar and lex team up wtf that is just stupid i cant beleive this i alrdy know im going to hate this film im seeing it tomarrow
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Harry Turner on Aug 14, 2004, 12:04:05 PM
Who wins?
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: AdamJZ on Aug 14, 2004, 12:05:02 PM
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORL:D!!!!! I saw the movie, I loved the movie, Im 17, and I thought the movie had enought gore to please.  I was expectiong to come home to good reviews, but as Ripley says.  "Did IQ's just drop shortly while I was away?"
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 12:05:46 PM
i told u all this was going to b more based around the humans then the preds n aliens
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Harry Turner on Aug 14, 2004, 12:06:15 PM
well i always said it was astupid idea! and it will end the alien and predator franchises!  want to bith weaver now?
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: AdamJZ on Aug 14, 2004, 12:06:41 PM
and tell that Idiot that there were not hundreds of aliens, there were 8!!!


The Alien and Predator franchises died a long time ago, Resident Evil and Terminator 3 got pounded majorly hard from critics, yet they both made more then $100 million at the box office.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 12:09:55 PM
i bet yughio the move makes more money lol
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: parasiteX on Aug 14, 2004, 12:11:36 PM
I agree with el diablo with his first point. Remember that these people are probably ment to say bad things about movies. Dont judge it as what it could have been, but judge it as what it is. Nothing is perfect and a true fan would say its good anyway.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Alex Villalobos on Aug 14, 2004, 12:15:40 PM
Well i just got back from watching AVP and all i can say is that, well i will give it a 7 out of 10 the film was ok the predators were ok but i agree with Henry408 they should have hired STAN WINSTON to do the predators the aliens were excellent the pred-Alien Chestburster was excellent but the film was not as good as i thought it would be the part were Sebastian De Rosa has the chestburster and the predator catches it there was no blood on it the film could have bin done a little better i waited my whole life for this movie coming from a guy who takes avp seriously i felt put down. i went to see it with my friends and they were laughing the whole time, i got really pissed at them becuase they wouldn't shut up and at the end all they could say is "sorry but the movie really sucked ass" and another said  "i give it two thumbs way down" i felt really bad i almost cryed and im 17 yrs old i just did not feel good at the end of the moive. i was thinking why in the hell did it have to be on earth and in are time why couln't it be right after Alien 3 bishop would have still bin in it but alittle older and it would have sparked a series of sequels telling you what happend in that 200 yr time period before Ellen ripley was cloned you see there would have bin bigger and better story lines for this film any was the film was ok i will give AVP that because i have a pasion  towards AVP    :)  
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Oh on Aug 14, 2004, 12:18:17 PM
I disagree with AdamJZ Terminator 3 actually faired well in the reviews in my opinion the general opinion that it was good but not classic, which I would agree with .  All these bad reviews are nasty eh, I guess im glad that I found 2 good ones which darknews will post later.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 12:19:32 PM
dude i have a great idea for a avp movie set in the future with marines
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Oh on Aug 14, 2004, 12:21:47 PM
darkness I mean    ;)   , also after finding out that its getting hammered in the reviews, how shit does it feel people that we need to "wait" 2 months to see how bad it really is.. I guess there are ways around that if u know what I mean.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: J on Aug 14, 2004, 12:21:51 PM
.......................   ???    am not going to say a word ...........  .... actually I will.  
QuoteThe aliens don't even show up until an hour into the movie ...
Quote... it takes 30 minutes before anyone dies
Quote... and kills off two of the three Predators within minutes of each othe,r
1. WHATS THE POINT IN BRINGING THE ALIENS ANY EARLY ON? the all point is about timing, as Ridley Scott said about Alien ' a cadance ', meaning gradually let the moment unfold because the srrprise will be there to get you.  2. STORY. IT WAS NEVER MENT TO BE A BLOODFEST FROM START TO FINISH but its all about understanding the story first. Introducing the charaters so that you get to know them FIRST otherwise you won't care. Yes it is about Aliens and Predator but the human relation ships is what helps give it an identity.  3. These Predators are novices, their young and still learning about the hunt ( I assume) Their inexperience shows here obivousily, THEY ARE NOT EXPERENCE HUNTERS HENCE THE WHOLE POINT TO THEM GOING TO THE PYRAMID TO BECOME TRUE WARRIORS.  The reviewers simply don't understand the A/P world. I haven't seen it but   I WILL LOVE IT To many went in thinking ' Paul Anderson ' movie, THIS IS A NEW FRANCHISE, COMBINING THE TWO, its going to be different in ALL ways, I am totally biased as far as this movie goes.  I am looking forward to this, BRING IT ON I SAY.   ;D    P.S. Darkness, what did you think of the film, surely your not like the rest.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: AdamJZ on Aug 14, 2004, 12:25:35 PM
Planet AVP gave it a good review
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Oh on Aug 14, 2004, 12:26:37 PM
I think he's UK based so Im guessing he would have to wait 2 months too. Just a guess from the email address , .co.uk afterall.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Predator Wave on Aug 14, 2004, 12:29:46 PM
I really wasn't disappointed at all. I thought it was a good fun popcorn movie. It had good action, but it was too much around the humans. And I liked the teamup with Alexa and Scar Predator.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Arabian Night on Aug 14, 2004, 12:33:23 PM
"built out of pure greed and a reckless disregard for what the fans see these kinds of movies for in the first place"  I agree Fox really sold us out when they gave it a PG 13 rating
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Bringer of Death on Aug 14, 2004, 12:36:25 PM
Well i just got back from the theater and saw avp,    
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well i wasnt to impressed but it was cool none the less.But some things in there were realy weak like the preds faces, man those looked horrible way to rubbery and fake looking.They looked nothing like i thought they would have, well i guess thats what happens when you dont get Stan Winston himself involed and get the students to do a teachers job.The fight scenes were so scetchy and jumbled around you could hardly tell what the hell you were looking at.And when the people that said the parts with lex and scar were cheesy and looked as if they were in love, well they had a point the movie could have done without the sentimental relationship between the two thats for sure.I just cant understand how you could feel compassion for a monster that has just violently murdered you entire group?Now the movie itself was pretty darn cool i have to say and there was allot of cool scenes in it but i liked reading the novel way more due to the fact of all the stuff that wasnt in the movie like the whole begining with the tribes people and the 1904 whaling station part were they find a predator capsle in the ice bring it back to the station and the pred gets out and sturs up madness, The part in the book were the preds come out of the cryo sleep and do there thing looking at the 3D hologram of the pyramid, instead we got pred masks looking and these holographic images and a breif shot of preds arms gearing up there blades.This was all absent from the movie.Also the movie was way to short and everything seemed to happen way to fast once it got going around the 35 minute mark, it seemed like the aliens grew full grown in like 15 minutes or less.This movie was fun to watch but realy sufered from the pg rating, yes PG it wasnt even PG13 at my theater here in Ontario Canada.I'll give this movie a 7 out of 10 but it could have got a higher rate for sure if there were better and more graphic looking death scenes and more of the important parts missing from the novel.So the only things wrong with the movie were the terrible looking pred faces way to fake looking , the comedic and somewhat imbarasing moments between lex and scar and the fact that the fight scenes were shot way to close and you could barly understand what your looking at.But the rest of the movie was pretty cool, could have been way better but still cool to watch.I just couldnt believe that all of the great parts i likes from the novel were non existing in this movie.So in the end I warn the people who havnt seen this yet, DONT get your hopes and expectations up to high because if you do your going to regret it.After watching the FOX special last night i was realy antisapating this flick a lot and was expecting something great but instead got something else.Enter Text
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Now im not saying I hated this movie, far from it but allot of stuuf that wasnt in it would have made it great.So im not incuraging anyone to not go see this but rather not to expect greatness or a sci fi classic.  So lets just pray that when this comes out in a few months on DVD they'll have allot of unseen fotage in it.I hope anyway.  7 out of 10
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: thinkugotachance on Aug 14, 2004, 12:48:32 PM
yeah im still hoping for the directors cut dvd, but still i wouldnt mind seeing a sequel. i liked most of the effects and id love to see what they could do with the pred-alien
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: AdamJZ on Aug 14, 2004, 12:51:56 PM
A LOT , of scenes were missing, In the trailer you see a pred on the ground surrounded by aliens, also it did not have the 1904 scene, which I think will turn out to be the "hadleys hope" special edition scence for AVP.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Bringer of Death on Aug 14, 2004, 12:54:55 PM
The queen looked realy good though as did the aliens i couldnt believe how much better the aliens looked and acted than the preds, well i guess thats what happens when you get a fuc$ing basketball player to player with no acting experience to play a major role as a pred,so dumb.   Sorry for all the bad points im making but they were so noticalbe a 4 year old would have the same opinion, infact i brought my 6 and 8 year old nephews and they made all the same arguments as i did.This movie is still fun to see but just didnt feel like an alien or predator movie.There was not one scene that was seemed scary or had any terror in it, but i will say that Sanaa portrayed the fear she felt exceptionaly well, to bad not many others did or could.  
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I forgot to add the part about how quick celtic and gill pred get killed off in this , it was sad, i was pissed to see that they both get killed by the same alien.Now the part in the clip we saw the past few days of gill getting impaled by the alien and the clip of celtic fighting the alien, this happens right after the other but the thing that was noticably wrong was that after the alien whips gill of his tail and then leaps onto celtic, all the florecent glowing blood has ' magicaly and mysteriously ' dissapeared off its tail. Enter Text
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whoops    ???    There were allot of new things we havnt seen before in a pred or alien movie though wich was nice to see.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: J on Aug 14, 2004, 12:55:59 PM
Who would be in line up to do the sequel?
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: scarymoviechap on Aug 14, 2004, 12:58:40 PM
Obviously, from reading you guys
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: wolfboy on Aug 14, 2004, 01:02:04 PM
if you're a fan of alien or predator, you'll enjoy the movie.  you'll like at least some of it, that's for sure.  don't worry about the reviews.  this movie was made strictly for the fans, which is a good thing actually.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 01:02:26 PM
i rly dont like the idea of lex n scar teamin up
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: E-USO on Aug 14, 2004, 01:02:57 PM
Saw the movie and i thought it was awesome!!  One thing to realize is that FOX cut out a lot of the movie.  Some stuff i saw in previews were not even in the movie, so there will be a director's cut.  If you hate the movie don't blame Paul Anderson blame FOX for cutting stuff out.  AVP WAS AWESOME!!!!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 01:05:34 PM
do u think the directors cut will come out on video the same time as the regular movie comes out?
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Bringer of Death on Aug 14, 2004, 01:05:58 PM
Well i believe Sanaa already has in her contract to be in and do the sequel unless this one bombs big time and they cancel all plans for part 2.Im sure this movie will bring in the money but im pretty sure im not going to see it like 5 times as planed earlier.Me sad.    
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The pred alien vision looked pretty cool to, i forgot to talk about that also the new way they scan into your body to see all your bones and organs and shit in detail cool stuff.The shirukens looked cool to but i thought we were told that the original throwing disk was in this?.Also they didnt even show the preds arm blades in action what the fu$%!?.The falshback scene was done pretty good but didnt seem to fit into the movie right, it looked cool but felt weird watching it if you know what i mean?   ???    Enter Text
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Well i guess ill have to wait another 14 years for a realy ggod alien vs predator movie, or a suped up special adition DVD version with all the above mentioned missing important scenes.Cock suckers
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: *bury on Aug 14, 2004, 01:06:04 PM
i just saw it and it wasnt bad but the end was retarded where they are running with each other lex and the predator and the other two predators die way to quickly
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 01:08:08 PM
r lex and the pred leave to do each other or somethin wtf the pred should kill her!!!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Aliminator on Aug 14, 2004, 01:13:36 PM
whoa, damn, there goes my greatest hit blockbuster this summer.....i wonder if the movie would be better if it's rated R and different director...
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: alienworshoper on Aug 14, 2004, 01:14:10 PM
in my opinion they didnt do well at all. i love the alien and predator franchizes but they didnt give it the "feel" of the movies. when the chestburster popped out of sebatians chest...there was no blood. they aliens didnt look that good and i didnt like how they made the queen run. i also didnt like how they sounded in some parts. they missed a lot of stuff from the book and that dissapointed me. in the book there was 5 preds. and there was more blood and gore in the book. dont get me wrong i encourage you to see the movie...just dont get your hopes up. if i rated the movie i would give it a 5 out of 10
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Predatorfan2004 on Aug 14, 2004, 01:14:31 PM
Im back, and i couldnt resist! Its opening day here in teh US, and I had to see teh comments were. Now that I read this, and after reading the book, and seeing the movie, i want to let you know, these are teh same critics who ripped pirates of the caribbean. They are only interested in their little gay ass "epics". They only praise movies that have some sort of political agenda.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Bringer of Death on Aug 14, 2004, 01:15:32 PM
Nik, my point exactly i never thought the team up idea was a good one and i was right, like i said why the hell would you team up with and for that matter have such affection if you will twards a creature that has just mutilated all your fellow humans, i just dont get it.Ya i know she wanted to survive and all but they just seemed way to realxed and cloase around and twards each other, it was like they were long lost lovers reunited in a time of need and depsair.Man that relationship was done way way way better in the comic.I'm sorry i just cant get past the fact of how crappy the pred faces looked, it was unbelievable, and the 'new' 'better' haha idea to make the preds mandable open up to ridiculous perportions looks goofy and wrong.Man the pred in pred 1 blows these ones out of the water.still a pretty good movie but youlllhave to get past anoying things like i mentioned to realy enjoy it  still 7 out of 10
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Somebody on Aug 14, 2004, 01:21:09 PM
My excitment for this movie went down greatly. I did a google search on reviews, I also went to yahoo and stuff, and all I could find was :  BAD -BAD reviews.  I haven't seen the movie yet, I will in 1 day, but I am no longer hyped about the movie. I am really sorry, but it does seem to be a bit weak. I am in shock actually. I woke up this morning, very enthusiastic about the reviews. And what do you know: bad-bad reviews.  I thought that it will be awesome, and that all the critics would be at least "pleased" with it. Ohh well.....maybe in 2 years or so, the AvP sequel will be better....however, I think that the audience has lost all interest in these 2 franchises    :-\     :-\    Probably I will be called names, and "you're not a fan", but that's my opinion. However, I'm going tomorrow to see it!!!!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Alex Villalobos on Aug 14, 2004, 01:21:37 PM
Nik said "dude i have a great idea for a avp movie set in the future with marines" thats what avp is orignaly all about but after seening ths one i feel lost
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 01:23:32 PM
no dude it would b awsum i should type the script and send it to fox
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Heavy Metal Spike on Aug 14, 2004, 01:26:42 PM
OK - no spoilers in this at all.  First of all - fans or not - I would STILL recommend you go and see this.  Not a classic, but it doesn't suck either.  Based on the 'bums-on-seats' in the showing I went to, I think it should make enough for a sequel that won't be so constrained by budget.  Aneyheeeew - this is not a review, but what I feel is a reasonable guess at what happened here.   The main thing it suffers from is it is WAY too short.  You can tell that with the limited (for this sort of plot) budget (orginally 40 million, then begged and borrowed to get it up to 70 million) he basically had 2 choices:  1) Have the full story paced as it should be - resulting in a 2 1/4 hour movie with dodgy effects or scenery to stay within budget. 2) Shorten it considerably (it was 1 hr 29 without the credits) but have it looking REALLY cool.  Anderson went for the latter - so it looks great - but wasn't able to allow the time for every scene to play out properly OR for the character development that made the 1st 2 Aliens and both Predators so good.  There were other concerns, but to explain those would spoil things for you - maybe in a later post with 'spoiler' tabs.  I always say - if I'd pay to see it again OR if I'll buy the DVD - then it's well worth the money.  I'll be doing both.  I think the length and lack of gore/swearing (to get the PG13) were totally down to Fox not wanting to lose money on franchises they were no longer sure about.   I don't think this is Anderson's fault - you can only spend what the people holding the purse strings will give you - and taking that into consideration - not too bad at all.  I think he really does care, in the same way we all do, and would have given us something longer and more to our gory expectations if he could.  Business is business - blame the execs at Fox before having a go at Anderson.   Go see it - don't let other people put you off watching the thing - it's well worth the money even it comes in #5 out of the 7 to date.      :)  
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Alex Villalobos on Aug 14, 2004, 01:30:52 PM
the music sucked i wanted music like in Aliens you know when they discoverd the space jokey ship and music like in Alien 3 and predator 2
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 01:36:03 PM
i watched it this morning and the large theater was completely packed. mainly older people too. the audience Really seemed to enjoy it too. Lots of oohs and Awes. very few of those were from me tho. i totally enjoyed the build. the first 30 minutes was excellent and i could watch just that over a few times. paul anderson took off on his own tho on how the creatures act. he seemed to just make it up like it was a little kid fantasy of his or somethin. he was the wrong guy for this film. i feel sorry for the retard, thinkin that hes so passionate about these movies cuz, he really does not get what is cool about them in the first place. film had excellent special effects and pretty decent acting and i think it can me admired on many levels.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Saint Sinner on Aug 14, 2004, 01:36:14 PM
Believe me and everyone else stressing this to you -- it isn't as bad as these morons are making it seem. Really. I may be a "fanboy," but I know a bad movie when I see one and this was NOT a bad movie.  The fact that a bunch of parts were probably cut out and it was STILL a good movie makes it even better to me. I can't wait to find out what's missing and what might be included on the DVD. I have a feeling this movie was a little bloodier and longer, but that these idiotic execs at FOX stripped it down for more money. It'd be interesting to see what Paul Anderson has to say about this.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 01:37:51 PM
i think the dvd of this will probably kick ass. especially if its R! this film was sooo rushed. it needed at least another 30 minutes!!!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Alex Villalobos aka commander griker on Aug 14, 2004, 01:39:50 PM
sexualpredator said  i think the dvd of this will probably kick ass. especially if its R! this film was sooo rushed. it needed at least another 30 minutes!!!   that is exactly what i was thinking it will only be pg 13 in theaters but rated R on dvd or they can have a special edition like what they did with the alien films us fans will be satisfid
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Harlequin01 on Aug 14, 2004, 01:40:16 PM
I was extremely dissapointed in this movie.  At first I could sustain my disbelief and just enjoy it as an entertaining film.  But, not only did it go downhill in the end I started to get irritated with the blatant marketing driven direction to the movie.  Also, I've been following the Aliens and Predator franchise through the movies and books that were made.  I also followed, closely, the creation of this movie.  One of the original scripts was submitted by Dark Horse Comics.  If you've never checked out their aliens comics, you need to.  Anyway, Fox turned down their script but ripped it off by changing it just enough to call it their own.  That truly pissed me off.  That took this film from being light hearted fun, for I couldn't take it any more serious than that, to a big f*@k you to the fans.   >:D  
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 01:40:17 PM
i think the problem everyone is having with this film is the ending. When ALF comes out and hammers out a peace treaty, it does get a little far-fetched! sorry to ruin the ending guys. Im just kiddin, its a pretty decent end


everything was there? i didnt dog this film, but everything was definitely not there. One scene using his cannon. Only 2 fight scenes. Preds are not in it enough. but, i still liked a lot of cool things about it. i think the aliens were done pretty damn good too. that queen was huge and moved good
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 01:54:47 PM
Sorry guys, I lost faith in the movie. It's obviously not a good one as I need to turn all the net upside down to find a good review. I'm gonna download it, I don't feel it's worth the two month wait anymore. I believe that I'm gonna watch it in theaters when it's out anyway. Hope you had fun-time watching it, I'm gonna watch it  with a below-average expectation.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 01:56:55 PM
Worst line in the movie was by lance henriksen, to Scar: "Dont you walk away from me!" or somethin like that. were they in a relationship or somethin that we dont know about? someone research that for me


Erez, the whole thing is, dont watch it expecting for anything like the old movies. its like things based on the old movies set to jurassic park. but, its not the worst thing in the world. everyone should admit that there were a lot of cool things that happened
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 02:00:30 PM
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Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Bringer of Death on Aug 14, 2004, 02:02:47 PM
Good points there Dachande about scars pathetic looking face, these are some of the worst looking and designed predator masks ever made, man i was watching G4/TechTV the other day and they had this guy they found at comiccon who mad his own full body costume of the Pred from Pred 2 and looked amazingly ggod, 100 time better than what i witnessed today.The reason for my bitching is due to the fact that Anderson this 'so called alien and pred fan who is the most critical alien and pred fan' to accept such pethetic looking work and then he has enough balls to go on record and say that these are the best looking alien and predators we've ever scene and that this movie is what all us fans have waited for! are you fuc$ing serious, sure there were plenty of cool things in this movie but after every single death in this movie is a cut away death and the fact that the last 30 - 40 mins of the movie just seems rushed and hurried just made me mad to watch.I got so bad inthe theater i was in the it was getting hard to here the movie over the laughter and critism being thrown around in there.I dont know if its just me or does the elder at the end look NOTHING like the pictures we've seen of him? And he ha those stupid looking row of upper teath like the scar pred does, it just looks wrong.  Now for the people that are sticking up for the falts of this film and saying ' oh just wait for the DVD ', man what the fu$k?! we shouldnt have to wait for the damn dvd to see a decent version of this movie, i mean i know fox want as much money from this thing as possible but dont treat us fans like fuc$ing retards i mean damn.Sure this movie had pred and alien and pred/alien death in it but the whole thing had no sence of an alien or predator movie.I just cant get over how quick thee preds get there asses handed to them in a handbasket, like what every 100 years the pred send there most promising teenage preds to earth for there comming of age ritual only to have them get disemboweled in 3 mins flat !.Sure scar kills a hand ful but what the hell.And anderson said tha the preds in pred 1 and 2 are no match for "his" preds is a joke, if you ask me either one of the preds from part 1 - 2 could have killed all 3 of these bitches in a heartbeat.Now i liked all the new weapons and armor designs i this movie but seeing these preds get wooped so quick and easy was sad to say the least.Im sorry but im  not to happy with what i saw today.Now i thought in the alien movie that from the time the chestbursters came out of the hosts and became full grown was quick but in this movie its almos instentanius, 5 mins after a person is facehugged the chestburster comes out then 5 more mins later the alines are full grown reaking havoc on everyone and everything in this movie.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Predy on Aug 14, 2004, 02:06:39 PM
well i read the reviews and i have to say something some of those guys makes shit reviews i think its a nice movie the preds are learning thats why they go to the pyramid, the aliens there were cool better than preds but the difference is that the aliens are puppets and cgi ones the preds are guys inside suits so plz some of these critics are just loser that dont understand the the movie. I liked the preds they are all great these guys make a huge effort to make preds look good, thats cool cuz they have to work whit a puppet and the computer images thats admirable, i think the movie its great but for the sequel they have to focus more in the creatures cuz humans take a long place in movie. The fights were great they show the ability of each creature and how they act when they face a hard foe. i think that predalien chestbuster will make the sequel be more interesting i hope that. well i like the movie thats all i have to say.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Dachande on Aug 14, 2004, 02:07:07 PM
Trust me my friend, you will be very displeased at the production fox put together.  Again, i shall dog this film but with a calmer pace.  Who in god's name created the cannon motive for the predators to hunt the humans?  Who was in charge of the development throughout the movie?  True, for those fans out there whom just wanted the blood bath between the two species were partially satisfied.  Although, in the long run of the movie, who here felt unfulfilled?  This idea that has been harnessed and molded throughout the years by great writers was just accosted by the worst production.  The assailants, in point, being anderson and the producers.  True, we'll see the light of some deleted scenes in the future, but will that really make the rest of the movie magically come to life?  NO.  The people whom produced, edited, and distributed the version for the whole public to see has been terrible with nothing new to come.  How can everyone be so naive in thinking that a 1904 scene with more blood will help anything?  This isn't some hidden plot to sky rocket dvd sales, it's just the truth being shown to the whole world at the moment.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:08:09 PM
yeah bringer, everything was rushed in this film. . .especially alien gestation time! i thought of many cool explanations for keeping them down for a long enough period to make it all believable and more intense. preds from 1 and 2 were cooler cuz they were scary and moved like panthers or somethin. these big bulky guys were kinda like that review that alikened them to pro wrestlers. they behaved more like the beast from beauty and the beast
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Baseman on Aug 14, 2004, 02:08:40 PM
There were a lot of seens from the trailers, that were not in the movie.  I'm thinking that there will be a special edition DVD.  Better B.  Maybe even an alternate ending (don't get your hopes up).   OVerall, I LIKED THE MOVIE.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Bringer of Death on Aug 14, 2004, 02:09:29 PM
To ..... your the pussy wipped maggaot there junior, you the kinda crate that will take anything avp up the ass and love it  and not say a word whether it be good or bad wich to me is pathetic to say the least.this movie could have been the worst movie ever made and you'd still defend it with your life.pretty sad buddy, pretty sad.Did you even watch the same movie as the rest of us? or do you have no idea between good/bad design and acting apparently not or else you would have atleast one single thing that was to some distast to you like the majority of us intelligent people.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 02:10:51 PM
y do u think the movie was rushed all fox wanted was to make money they know how many fans their r of aliens and preds and y u think it was pg13 like i sayd b4 for more kids to see, more money, they dont give  a f**k about what we want they just want their f**king money
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:12:03 PM
they are adding the 1904 scene to dvd? that'll be cool, i was waitin for that shit and pissed at not seein it. but, youre right about it not makin much of a difference overall. and yes, i did feel unfulfilled cuz it built like it was gonna be great and then let down.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: scar_predator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:14:41 PM
the movie was good in its ways u have to get the story to like it.of cource they made the predators die fast cause there not even experienced of fighting the aliens.but it was kind of jacked for the predator fans. o well if your a true avp fan u would say its still a good movie.   ;D        
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Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:15:39 PM
this was definitely a disney version of predators. i dont think they handled em serious enough. but maybe we shouldnt see 3 of em playin together. maybe theyll make a predator 3 and go back to old school mean ass ruthless hunters. who dont jus like to hoist people up, but actually enjoy skinning them too. oh, and rippin their skull and spines out just for the eff of it
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 02:16:21 PM
Maybe thats the problem, The Alien and Predator AREN'T MEANT TO BE COOL!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: El Diablo on Aug 14, 2004, 02:16:24 PM
I think people on both sides of the fence need to chill out. I enjoyed the movie for what it was and I'm a huge Alien and Predator fan, that doesn't mean that everyone should like it or that I don't agree with some of the negative feedback associated with the movie.   I wanted to see a great Alien vs. Predator film too but I never expected Anderson to be the one to deliver it. He's got a strong visual style but he's a very weak writer. The end result is a film that entertains but doesn't live up to the classics. I see mostly negative comments out there and I can totally understand why. It's not the film we've waited so long to see but knowing that the studio hired Anderson to write and direct this way back in the summer of '03.... does that really come as such a surprise to all of you? I expected much worse from him.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: scar_predator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:17:07 PM
1904 scene was in the movie
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:17:53 PM
i say again, i did appreciate lots of this movie. but, c'mon, i mean u could tell those were young predators. cuz, when they had their masks off, they kept showin their baby teeth. and scar almost talked like ludo from labrynth. . ."friend"


1904 scene was not in the film i saw. it was referenced when they unlocked the cannons, but thats about it. preds are supposed to be COOL. my little brother(18) loved this film! i enjoyed it too, some pretty cool action. but, i dont feel right associating it at all to the great sci-fi classics. i gues this is pretty good for anderson, that guy is weak and a bullshitter. but i kno, if they had jus given him 3 more dollars, it woulda kicked ass, right? get someone else if u plan to make more


oh, and did anyone else catch the similarities between the celtic pred and harry from harry and the hendersons? i think that was obviously intentional. great joke paul and once again, thank you
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: scar_predator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:34:37 PM
scar predator & alexea had the best fight out the hole movie that queen alien was a I3itch!! to kill.celtic should have won that fight with the grid alien.should have shown more of the elder predator than at the end of the movie.the big @$$ shoulder cannon kicked some @$$ ripping those aliens apart.so was the spear they were using same with that throuthing object.weapons were asome       oh,yeah alien fans could suck on these nuts I3!tchs    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Pretorian21 on Aug 14, 2004, 02:35:19 PM
Hello everyone, I just wanted to say that I have really mixed feelings about this movie. Iv been waiting for this movie ever since I saw predator 2 when the aliens skull was hanging in the trophy room. Then followed with the comics, video games, toys etc. For one Iam a huge fan of the franchise, those who arent and have only seen some of the movies here and there should be more intelligent about there comments and not point out the obvious, because think about it.. what movie have you seen thats been absolutly perfect? Huh? I cant think of one to be frank. Yes the movie was really slow, but what can you do about it? You have to establish some sort of setting plot, and it seemed to do a pretty good job of holding that up. However when the movie started to pick up pace I started to get a little worried. (Because if you've seem Resident Evil you know what Im talking about, it was rated pg-13 as well, and another video game movie gone horribly wrong.) Paul had me worried and all this talk about fans doing it for fans went straight to hell. Then the most disappointing thing with the movie  was the fact that (despite the fact these predators are young, they are still supposed to be elite) (predator 2 was a teenage predator unlike predator 1 which was an elder) The two died within a matter of mins of one another. And it seemed to me that the predators were both killed by the same alien. Then how the other predator just whoops two aliens then gets a cheap shot by the next, wtf is that. Then if you have never read the comics and or the books you wouldnt understand the relationship between the human and the predator, which would be race war. When they showed it, yes it was corny but it still made sense if you've kept up on it. honestly it was good movie and yes I will see it again, although go in expecting the expected and walk away thinking this is decent film.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 02:37:06 PM
I don't remember the pred was cool in the previous films. It was scary and brutal. Maybe its weapons were cool but the pred itslef wasn't. Making those creatures look cool is a big mistake. The fact that it makes you fear is what really cool, the pred's job isn't to show off.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:38:55 PM
hey man, they didnt use the Really Big Cannon(which they played up nicely in the making of), they didnt even use the Big Cannon. the one he picked up(and once it was attatched looked totally different) was the little bitty one that u see in all the pics of it. it was the only cannon fired in the movie. theres a pic of it at towards the top of the page and to the right under the topic "Official Avp Media"  -jus case u didnt see
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: scar_predator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:40:29 PM
wasent the 1940s scean when it showed the predators on the shouting the shoulder cannons on to of the pyirmid
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:41:29 PM
no that was ancient cambodia
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: scar_predator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:41:48 PM
my bad for the spelling im rushing LOL AVP was tight


oh ,okey so that wasent antartica
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:43:29 PM
1904 scene was supposed to be an attack on the whaling station that was not in the film. they shoulda had more jokes like in gremlins 2
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 02:44:25 PM
was the scene were the celtic n alien fight in the movie?
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:46:43 PM
yes, that was the only fight scene other than the end with the queen, and a few quick kills courtesy of scar
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 02:47:35 PM
waited to many years for nothin
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:49:20 PM
i kept expectations very low until i saw the "Face Off" clip. after that i just kept sayin over and over, "this film is gonna kick everyones ass!" i shouldnt have done that. but, dont despair everyone. there is cool shit in the movie, and lots of fans im sure will find parts they enjoy


its not like paul anderson doesnt lube everyone up before he butt-rapes em.  there are cool scenes in it even tho evryone is doggin. the shurikens are pretty damn cool. but, why the hell didnt they jus use those the whole time? they seemed pretty damn effective!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Lord HamsteR on Aug 14, 2004, 02:52:09 PM
i didnt even bother to read all that crap where morons which got payd to make funn and ecvelaize the movie with shit they are filld from head to fingers on theyr feet!!  i know this movie is awsome and i blody hope that this movie will be a reason to make AvP3 the game fatser then in 10 years!  btw why da hell you guys whine about? this movie has more then 1 Pred and it has bloody hundrets of aliens which have more action then in 4 other movies!!!  talk about bigets fans of the preds and aliens that more then a very unfair"OK" is what movie about our favorite monsters that was made sins 1999 deservs....i mean come on!! insted of soporting other ppl opinions we should treet AvP as the best thing on worlds cinema this year!!! btw if all of you are bigest fans and you talk about movie as "OK" then dont expect to see another movie fore the next 10 years minimum!!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 02:53:38 PM
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i remeber how excited i was when i saw the 1st trailer where it didnt even show any seens it just showed the alien and pred and then all the great trailers and clips and now i find out the movie only has 20 mins of preds n aliens and 2 of the preds die in 2 mins i really had huge hopes for this movie paul anderson doesnt deserver to say hes a fan of aliens or predators i couldnt wait for this movie to come out on dvd but now i rly dont care lets just hope if there is a sequel paul isnt director,10 preds 100 aliens,future,marines,no lex, 4 hours long, blood, rated r
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Post by: ooman on Aug 14, 2004, 02:56:36 PM
Okay sorry to tell all the people who said that the   movie would have nothing to do with the predator   books, BUT THEY DID!!!  This damn movie is basicly   the first damn book in the Aliens vs Predator   bookline.  Jeez.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 02:56:44 PM
i agree that at least we got our movie. but, it is obvious that the budget was not the problem here. it was paul anderson makin a movie about what he wanted. didnt cater to any fans of any of the series as far as i can tell. hope they make more and hope they get a mature director!
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Nik on Aug 14, 2004, 02:59:07 PM
serously who makes a human and predator fall in love i mean i know the preds r so damn hot(sarcasm for idiots who didnt kow)
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 03:01:18 PM
most pple on this site bitched at me for bein skeptical, but i knew they could not make a PG13 flick and preserve much dignity to these beloved characters. if u wanna like this film, i suggest not taking it too seriously
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 03:03:57 PM
Look, I didn't like Alien/Predator because of the creatures. I'm a fan of those movies because of the way they were made, made me feel and the way they made the creatures, and that's not all about the creature's look, that's nothing compared to the above, and that's the thing most of you guys seem to care about. So Red Hamster, having "more then 1 Pred and bloody hundrets of aliens" is not enough, in fact it's nothing.


This movie doesn't even have one little bit of originality.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 03:07:25 PM
This movie doesn't even have one little bit of originality.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 03:07:57 PM
im a huge fan of the "look". its whats mainly responsible for my becoming an artist. Check this out: http://www.planetavp.com/features/fan-art/index65.shtml  the one by ColbieTodd is mine. ive sent in some more cool ones, but they r kinda slow at puttin em up.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: El Demonio Cazador on Aug 14, 2004, 03:09:16 PM
I've seen the movie twice already and overall, better than what I expected, it's good, not excellent but...chill out people, enjoy it....
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 03:09:47 PM
Ok, but we're talking about a movie here, and it cannot be mainly based on look and quantity.
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Aug 14, 2004, 03:10:21 PM
shit i enjoyed teh film ............................
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: sexualpredator on Aug 14, 2004, 03:10:40 PM
I'll probably see it again too. was supposed to take a date to see it tonight, but called it off cuz i seriously doubt i'll get any P if i take her to that


goin to see harold and kumar instead.   hey, the only thing i have to look forward to now is live action Transformers. but, havent heard a word about it in a long time. anyone kno of any current details? or does anyone care?
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 03:19:23 PM
Let's say for example, that instead of the pred they would make the pope's grandma naked. AvP would suck completely, but Predator would have many things that still make it a great movie that AvP lacks (Mainly because in Predator it stays cloaked most of the time). Well, that had a little sense of humor in it, but I hope you got the concept. And stop those "chill out" posts.
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Post by: ChineseWarr!0r on Aug 14, 2004, 03:23:24 PM
well i came back and saw AVP with my girl :D i do say i am a tad dissapointed...but I f**kING LOVED IT! i only wished that the preds got more action and didnt die so fast >< and the elder pred should have came out to whoop some ass!!!  i give it a 8/10 :D
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Post by: LyricalPharaoh on Aug 14, 2004, 03:24:05 PM
Im not surprised.  i didn't think i could have a lesser opinion of this movie but i do now.  just because there are possibly worse movies out there i.e."battlefield earth", "Godzilla" doesnt excuse a crappy film from Anderson.  if this really is as bad as they say, then i think Anderson's film days should END. this is a crime to all the fans, PG-13? f**k YOU ANDERSON!! f**k YOU JOHN DAVIS! f**k YOU FOX!!  There may never be a  Predator 3 cuz of this.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: ismguy on Aug 14, 2004, 03:33:26 PM
i was telling my friends i saw the movie with i wish they would have used more of the books screenplay than what they ended up with.  personally i think FOX really screwed themselves with the rating and the running time.  the lack of blood was stupid.  when the burster came out of the guy and scar grabbed it there was NO blood on it.  they  could have put some blood on it.  that was stupid.  the more i think about all this and the movie the more i want to hear PA talk about this and tell us why why why.  or a fox rep.  they have been so hush hush.  Woodruff and the FX team should get hella praise for the aliens the queen and the outside of the predator craft.  I also think the set was nice.  did anyone here also notice the cutting of the gore and what not really screwed with the tempo of the fight scenes and the movie overall really.  i dont know.  im gonna watch pred 1 and aliens  tonight and remember the good ol days.  i dont mean to be critical i think it was an ok movie but i really feel bad for the people who made this movie cause when i went and saw it people where laughing and booing.  these one guys (out of reach from my foot) made fun of everything.  i mean these arent real fans but it kinda made me feel sorry for the people that did a good job like Woodruff.  I hope there isnt another pred or alien movie.  they should cut their losses and leave it.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Erez on Aug 14, 2004, 03:34:01 PM
John Davis is that f**ker from the previews right? Its face really dmenad a spikey rat trap slicing his head to two with a bunch of cash as bait.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: antman on Aug 14, 2004, 03:37:22 PM
Mr. Paul Anderson is by far THE WORST MOVIE DIRECTOR OF ALL TIME.....!!!!!  I am sorry I ever saw that movie....i even gave it the benefit of the doubt...i tried really hard to like it...but quite frankly You are a crappy director!!  You ruined Resident Evil, and Mortal Kombat, and now for some reason you ruined another movie with a lot of potential (AVP)!!  Why Mr. Anderson?...WHY??  You should not have killed off the two predators so soon into the story!  AND WHY THE HELL WASNT I SCARED!!! YOU ARENT EVEN TRYING TO MAKE IT SCARY R U??!!  You were given the oprotunity of a life time...and you BLEW IT!  I HOPE YOU NEVER DIRECT ANOTHER MOVIE AGAIN...Im sorry if a sound a little harsh, but three movies with POTENTIAL down the drain....THREE!!!    >:D  
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Post by: AdamJZ on Aug 14, 2004, 03:51:10 PM
I liked it, it was great. the next one should be in the future though. It was a really good movie.
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Post by: big big fan on Aug 14, 2004, 03:54:52 PM
I saw the movie today which the day it came out. I was a little sad. There needed to be more blood. Scar and Lex on a team I really didnt like that. Every1 dies at the same time I HATED that. There were 3 mins between each death and the same goes for the preds and there needed to be more preds then 3. All in all it was ok and i bet a lot of money there will be a number 2 and if there is I hope it is better then number 1.   :-\ 


And u guys should not be so hard on the director. It was not that bad of a movie it just could have been better thats all.
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Post by: pred-maniac on Aug 14, 2004, 04:05:04 PM
i just back from seeing the movie and u know what i have no feelings for this movie other than the ending i loved the ending it just lets me know that paul will probably not make the sequel oh plz god. I am a huge huge predator fan and when i saw scar take his mask off showing it to lex, i could sense and feel  scar was not the predator i expected i wanted more shadowing around the eyes, the eyes were so human that i could tell there was a man in a suit wearing a mask.why couldnt they kevin peter hall to teach the pred actors how to move and act like preds? stan winston hear my cry i want u to get involved in the sequel u make the predator the predator. the alien on the other hand was well done no complaints there. when the scar pulls his mask off i didn't feel like it was the right time for that but u know wat im not going to put the movie down i like the action and ending thats about it. oh by the way if alien wins we lose... because predator doesnt plan on having a war with us or wiping us off the face of the universe so fox u have it alll wrong.
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Post by: tribalcore on Aug 14, 2004, 04:16:31 PM
kevin peter hall died a couple of months later after pred 2 of aids
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Post by: big big fan on Aug 14, 2004, 04:45:56 PM
pred maniac is right preds wolnt wipe out the world but the aliens would and we would not stand a chance.
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Post by: WonderBrick(WB) on Aug 14, 2004, 06:08:06 PM
In short, the film is equally bad as it is good.  Also, to give you more perspective, I went to the theatres with the expectation of making a day out of the theatre, by watching AVP, Collateral, and then AVP again.  After seeing AVP once, I did not have desire to see it again, so soon.  I can't wait for it on DVD, but the overall experience, and approaches taken to AVP, left me no desire to see it again within same day.  The whole time I watched AVP, I kept thinking about how TombRaider-esque the movie was.  Most lines and scenes were overstated, not understated like Alien, Aliens, and Predator.  To much posturing, overacting, and "big" presentation.  I never felt like these were people like you and me that were suddenly faced with something out of the ordinary.  Instead of a normal world with normal reactions, normal dialogue exchange, where the extraordintary occurances, we have a TombRaider/ResidentEvil comic-booky world where everyone more or less strikes a pose and delivers pumped-up lines.  PG-13.  I could really see and feel the effect of the PG-13 rating.  Important scenes to Alien and Predator films had the camara cut away to quickly.  Someone else said it perfectly...  Studios have other PG-13 francises to use, like MIB.  Aliens and Predator have no business being toned down to appeal to those markets those other properties capture.  POV.  The Point of View in which AVP is told, lets the audience jump around and watch action from the human's POV, Predator's POV, and Alien's POV, and even an omnipotent POV.  This is different then all the Alien and predator films that had the camera follow the humans and see only stuff from the human's perspective.  There are big pluses and minuses to having the POV that AVP uses.  The biggest minus is that AVP totally loses the feel of past Alien/Predator films and feels like a new beast.  The first 45min was very nicely paced.  From then on, it felt like alot was chopped out and/or rushed to get to the end.  Scenes felt intentionally edited short.  It felt like it was intentionally shortened to hit the 87min mark.  I wanted many, many scenes to linger a bit longer, not because I wanted to see more AVP, but simply because it felt like the scenes needed it.  People died, or other important events happened, and the movie instant kept rolling onward with zero lingering time.  I can only hope that a Director's Cut will make it out on DVD and give scenes a bit more justice.  Weylands role.  Other char development.  The Weyland char served little purpose other then to provide a reason to get to have the funds to get to the Antartic location quickly.  None of the potential mythology of Weyland or Weyland Yutani was furthered.  No aspect of robotics reared it's head.  I even thought that Weyland would lead to the introduction of Standford being an early andriod, but this was not the case.  Other chars were clearly there as cannonfodder, though some attempt was made to let us know they had families, to help make their deaths have meaning.  We never had much chance to get to knwo them to get any sense of loss when they died.  The Alien life-cycle.  Wow is it sped up. The facehugger face-grabs a victim, and before the pyramid even shifts states(every 10min), a chestburster is popping out.  And the chestbursters are then full-size in the next scenes.  Glaringly annoying.  Totally inexcusable.  Cheezy moments.  There are some really cheezy moments, like the slow motion running of the Predator and Lex fleeing an oncoming explosion.  The long stares between Lex and Scar.  There are alot of moments that make me cringe.  CGI.  For all the talk of low reliance of CGI and heavy use of actors and models, the CGI can be glaringly evident.  There are many scenes where the actors and models look great.  And there are even scenes where the CGI looks great.  But when the CGI gets heavy usage, it is very apparent, and snaps you right out of the movie.  Predators.  Alot has been said about their size, and much of it is rightfully said.  I think some of the complaints are just a side-effect of the style in which the Predators where shot.  The Celtic Predator was indeed the biggest, and did look huskier then the others.  But overall the Predators did have a huskier look, instead of a tall and lanky look.  Height was fine, but husky stood out.  At points they looks like football players, or even WWF wrestlers.  And unfortunately often it looked like men in suits.  There are times that body language was effective and made the Predators look like Predators, but more often then not, it looked like men in suits.  :(  The Predator vision itself looked like bad CGI at times that facehuggers and chestbursters were seen.  the Pred-vision classic sound was oddly missing, or rather changed.  Checklist of features.  AVP was indeed a checklist of features I wanted to see in a AVP film.  It had Weyland, it had Weyland's homage to the Bishop knife trick, it had unique looks to the Predators, it covered the Predator manhood ritual.  It had a pissed-as-hell Queen Alien and some kick-ass effective killing machine Aliens that were powerful and not just cannonfodder.  It had alot more stuff I won't bother listing.  Infact, it had more items on it's list then I would have even hoped for.  I liked that the stuff AVP fans wanted to see in a AVP film made it to the film, but the actual execution of the film still hurts.  Sequel.  I could really care less for a sequel now.  The checklist of stuff I wanted to see covered was indeed covered, except for the introduction of an andriod, by way of Weyland.  Without Weyland around, any future introduction on any andriod is meaningless.  And I certainly don't want to see Lance Hendrickson brought back in andriod form for a meaningless tie to bind the franchises together.  The only thing I want to see in any sequel is to see a strong, deadly experienced Predator in action, kicking ass to help make up for the poor showing of the Predators in AVP.  We knew these Predators were young and inexperienced.  I can accept that.  I love that the Aliens were shown as the underestimated powerhouses they are meant to be.  But I want to see an agile, skilled Predator that shows us the difference between young inexperience and a skilled vet.  Overall, the movie had as much good as it had bad.  And it had some really good stuff, and some really bad stuff.  Some aspects were so bad, I left feeling embarressed for the film, and how others might view the francise.  I came with low expectations.  Part of me wants to rank this film down with Alien: Resurrection, but I thik the concept of AVP was very sound.  It was the implamentation of certain parts that made me cringe.  Repeat viewings might sway me towards a better or worse opinion, but as of right now, it is worse then Alien, Aliens, Predator, Predator2.  It is around Alien3.  Concept and a checklist of stuff AVP fans wanted to see keeps it from hitting Alien: Resurrection status, though it comes dangerously close.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Fallen_Guard on Aug 14, 2004, 09:04:45 PM
you people are all insane. that was the single greatest movie i have ever seen. i think its funny as hell that you all went totally f**k shit saying its gonna be the greatest movie ever. then it comes out and everyone has to go crying to thier mommys about how Anderson didnt do this or there was too much of that. shove it up your ass's lol. that movie f**ken rocked all!


you people are insane. i love this movie more then michal jackson likes young boys. i'm gonna see it again and again and i will NEVER get bored of seeing Grid alien whiping 2 predators off the face of the planet in less then 5 minutes    8) 
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Darth Garuda on Aug 14, 2004, 09:45:57 PM
I think everyone including PA forgets that AVP started with a Xenomorph's skull in a Predator trophy case, not the other way.  Predators are not weaklings, they'd mop up those bitches easy.  5 people killed how many in Aliens?  Predator kill 2 Spec Ops teams in I and tons more in II.  How would they fall to a few Aliens?  This is watered down inconsistant crapolla, and Predator fans are pissed on.
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Grrrrrrrrrrrrr on Aug 14, 2004, 10:19:07 PM
Actually   AVP started with Dark horse comics in 1999 and they still have the best origianl story....  grrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: AvP Reviews Roundup (Bad)
Post by: Angel_Seb on Jan 10, 2008, 02:25:02 PM
Hmmm... I just read those reveiws (the bad ones) (and yeah, I know I'm a little late to the community, only recently did I become scarily obsessed) but I disagree that it was a bad movie. Totally. I love it. I've lost count of how many times I've seen it, and I've only owned it for abuut 2 weeks.   I agree with who ever said "Did they even watch the films" (or whatever)? Makes me mad when there's so much crap riding on such a good film!  I LOVED IT!    ;D