https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/822251099331575810
Great actor!!!
QuoteIf a deal is sealed, Brown will play a government agent who jails Holbrook's ex-Marine character, but later needs his help with the Predators.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/sterling-k-brown-talks-join-shane-blacks-predator-966205
Hmm, never heard of him. Hopefully he turns out to be a good pick.
This cast is going to be full of awesomely talented cheap people.
But yeah this guy is dope anyway.
Well one good aspect about all of this non-A list cast is that it looks like all of the budget is going to go towards the effects. I know ADI will give us some great stuff on their end.
I'm pretty sure we'll get a one solid A-list actor though. Hoping it's Arnold.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 20, 2017, 02:33:49 AM
Well one good aspect about all of this non-A list cast is that it looks like all of the budget is going to go towards the effects. I know ADI will give us some great stuff on their end.
I'm pretty sure we'll get a one solid A-list actor though. Hoping it's Arnold.
Yep, I think that's exactly what they are going for. I'd imagine it's going to have a huge budget and they will probably sell the film to people with Arnold coming back as Dutch. I hope they keep his character a mystery though (like Luke Skywalker in E7, minus the whole showing up at the end for 2 seconds part lol). I think that could be a great way to market the film.
lol. that's not how movies work. you don't have to decide between good effects and A-list actors. you can have both
Not if you don't have the money.
I love this casting choice. The guy is fantastic in The People vs OJ. I imagine his popularity will grow even more after his role in Black Panther so that's great too.
Being realistic and looking at it from a business standpoint, it seems the studio doesn't want to blow the budget on big names that'll lower the probability of this rated R film making a profit while still having big enough set pieces. Having it all would warrant a huge budget. Sure, Deadpool made all the money in the world, but even that budget was limited and it didn't have very big or numerous stars and set pieces.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 03:02:12 AM
lol. that's not how movies work. you don't have to decide between good effects and A-list actors. you can have both
I agree you can have both, but this movie doesn't seem to have that kind of budget when it comes to casting.
QuoteI agree you can have both, but this movie doesn't seem to have that kind of budget when it comes to casting.
Agreed, not many R rated films do. Big cast, big set pieces, plus violence from an 80s franchise? In this climate of giant superhero pg13 jam packed years? They are playing smart I think - and the cast is full of (imo) up-in-comers, which I love.
ALSO: I love how the information given says "...needs his help with the PredatorS" :D
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 03:39:42 AM
Not if you don't have the money.
welllll the whole reason this particular movie was greenlit is because fox said to shane: MONEY!!!!!!
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Jan 20, 2017, 03:46:09 AM
I love this casting choice. The guy is fantastic in The People vs OJ. I imagine his popularity will grow even more after his role in Black Panther so that's great too.
Being realistic and looking at it from a business standpoint, it seems the studio doesn't want to blow the budget on big names that'll lower the probability of this rated R film making a profit while still having big enough set pieces. Having it all would warrant a huge budget. Sure, Deadpool made all the money in the world, but even that budget was limited and it didn't have very big or numerous stars and set pieces.
lol even deadpool had ryan reynolds.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 20, 2017, 03:50:10 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 03:02:12 AM
lol. that's not how movies work. you don't have to decide between good effects and A-list actors. you can have both
I agree you can have both, but this movie doesn't seem to have that kind of budget when it comes to casting.
it's not that they don't have money, it's that A listers dont want to be caught dead in this movie. are we all forgetting that everyone from ben affleck to bradley cooper to mark ruffalo was offered this movie? I think we're all forgetting this isnt a money issue
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 04:54:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 03:39:42 AM
Not if you don't have the money.
welllll the whole reason this particular movie was greenlit is because fox said to shane: MONEY!!!!!!
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Jan 20, 2017, 03:46:09 AM
I love this casting choice. The guy is fantastic in The People vs OJ. I imagine his popularity will grow even more after his role in Black Panther so that's great too.
Being realistic and looking at it from a business standpoint, it seems the studio doesn't want to blow the budget on big names that'll lower the probability of this rated R film making a profit while still having big enough set pieces. Having it all would warrant a huge budget. Sure, Deadpool made all the money in the world, but even that budget was limited and it didn't have very big or numerous stars and set pieces.
lol even deadpool had ryan reynolds.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 20, 2017, 03:50:10 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 03:02:12 AM
lol. that's not how movies work. you don't have to decide between good effects and A-list actors. you can have both
I agree you can have both, but this movie doesn't seem to have that kind of budget when it comes to casting.
it's not that they don't have money, it's that A listers dont want to be caught dead in this movie. are we all forgetting that everyone from ben affleck to bradley cooper to mark ruffalo was offered this movie? I think we're all forgetting this isnt a money issue
I didn't know these people were approached. I can see why Affleck wouldn't do it though because caught up playing Batman. As for Cooper and Ruffalo did they give any reasons why didn't won't to be involved?
This is does make me worried about the script though. That is if these actors declined because of that.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 04:54:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 03:39:42 AM
Not if you don't have the money.
welllll the whole reason this particular movie was greenlit is because fox said to shane: MONEY!!!!!!
You have no idea how much. He keeps saying they'll treat it like an event picture, but they clearly don't have the money of one.
Quotelol even deadpool had ryan reynolds.
How much do you think Reynolds cost the studio to cast in Deadpool? At that point in his career, he was actually box office poison and anything but a draw. Before Deadpool he was attached to Self/Less, Criminal, The Voices, Woman in Gold, RIPD, Mississippi Grind, and other movies I've never heard of because his status wasn't "A-lister." Just because people knew who he was didn't mean he was an A-lister (people know who Nicholas Cage and John Cusack are too). Let's call it like it is: Deadpool resurrected his career from the cheap and/or direct to redbox stuff.
Yes, Reynolds brought an incredible amount to the Deadpool project, but it wasn't his name that made the difference - it was his dedication, humor, style, and talent behind an anomaly of a film that had great word of mouth and an excellent marketing campaign with essentially no real competition at the beginning of the year.
QuoteThis is does make me worried about the script though. That is if these actors declined because of that.
Though it's possible, I doubt Shane Black gave the thumbs up to a script that actors don't like. Especially in a world where 2016's X-MEN Apocalypse, Collateral Beauty, Assassin's Creed, Suicide Squad, Huntsman: Winters War, Allied, Gold, Sleepless, and BvS attained many or a few A-listers with their garbage scripts. Maybe a few big names didn't like the script itself, but I imagine the script isn't the problem.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 05:10:45 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 04:54:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 03:39:42 AM
Not if you don't have the money.
welllll the whole reason this particular movie was greenlit is because fox said to shane: MONEY!!!!!!
You have no idea how much. He keeps saying they'll treat it like an event picture, but they clearly don't have the money of one.
It's funny. They'd make a lot more on it if it had an A lister in the first place.
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Jan 20, 2017, 05:23:21 AM
Quotelol even deadpool had ryan reynolds.
At that point in his career, he was actually box office poison and anything but a draw. Before Deadpool he was attached to Self/Less, Criminal, The Voices, Woman in Gold, RIPD, Mississippi Grind, and other movies I've never heard of because his status wasn't "A-lister." Just because people knew who he was didn't mean he was an A-lister (people know who Nicholas Cage and John Cusack are too). Let's call it like it is: Deadpool resurrected his career from the cheap and/or direct to redbox stuff.
Yes, Reynolds brought an incredible amount to the Deadpool project, but it wasn't his name that made the difference - it was his dedication, humor, style, and talent behind an anomaly of a film that had great word of mouth and an excellent marketing campaign with essentially no real competition at the beginning of the year.
QuoteThis is does make me worried about the script though. That is if these actors declined because of that.
Though it's possible, I doubt Shane Black gave the thumbs up to a script that actors don't like. Especially in a world where 2016's X-MEN Apocalypse, Collateral Beauty, Assassin's Creed, Suicide Squad, Huntsman: Winters War, Allied, Gold, Sleepless, and BvS attained many or a few A-listers with their garbage scripts. Maybe a few big names didn't like the script itself, but I imagine the script isn't the problem.
...stealth_hunter? People know who Ryan Reynolds is and that is that is that is that. Hell! He'd have been great for The Predator.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 20, 2017, 05:01:03 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 04:54:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 03:39:42 AM
Not if you don't have the money.
welllll the whole reason this particular movie was greenlit is because fox said to shane: MONEY!!!!!!
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Jan 20, 2017, 03:46:09 AM
I love this casting choice. The guy is fantastic in The People vs OJ. I imagine his popularity will grow even more after his role in Black Panther so that's great too.
Being realistic and looking at it from a business standpoint, it seems the studio doesn't want to blow the budget on big names that'll lower the probability of this rated R film making a profit while still having big enough set pieces. Having it all would warrant a huge budget. Sure, Deadpool made all the money in the world, but even that budget was limited and it didn't have very big or numerous stars and set pieces.
lol even deadpool had ryan reynolds.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 20, 2017, 03:50:10 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 03:02:12 AM
lol. that's not how movies work. you don't have to decide between good effects and A-list actors. you can have both
I agree you can have both, but this movie doesn't seem to have that kind of budget when it comes to casting.
it's not that they don't have money, it's that A listers dont want to be caught dead in this movie. are we all forgetting that everyone from ben affleck to bradley cooper to mark ruffalo was offered this movie? I think we're all forgetting this isnt a money issue
I didn't know these people were approached. I can see why Affleck wouldn't do it though because caught up playing Batman. As for Cooper and Ruffalo did they give any reasons why didn't won't to be involved?
This is does make me worried about the script though. That is if these actors declined because of that.
Cooper wasn't available until August 2017. And even if he were though, would he still want to do it? f**k that'd have been surreal and awesome.
Quote..stealth_hunter? People know who Ryan Reynolds is and that is that is that is that.
I directly said that people know who he is. I wasn't disputing that at all.
QuoteHell! He'd have been great for The Predator
I agree and wasn't disputing that at all either.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 05:10:45 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 04:54:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 20, 2017, 03:39:42 AM
Not if you don't have the money.
welllll the whole reason this particular movie was greenlit is because fox said to shane: MONEY!!!!!!
You have no idea how much. He keeps saying they'll treat it like an event picture, but they clearly don't have the money of one.
I think when Shane Black was talking event movie, he meant it more as something people are excited to go and see and pre-order tickets more than being able to spend a huge amount of money. Of course, he sounded excited about having a bigger budget but we're only talking more than AvPs and Predators budget. Predator was never going to be given a blockbuster style budget. It's too risky.
And big names don't necessarily mean big returns. I'm with Stealth_Hunter when he says -
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Jan 20, 2017, 05:23:21 AM
Yes, Reynolds brought an incredible amount to the Deadpool project, but it wasn't his name that made the difference - it was his dedication, humor, style, and talent behind an anomaly of a film that had great word of mouth and an excellent marketing campaign with essentially no real competition at the beginning of the year.
That's what I want from the crew behind this. Not names on a billboard. I want talent behind the film and it looks like we're getting it. Brown is another one I'm not familiar with but if his accolades and buzz is anything to go by, he's another talented addition to the film and one I welcome.
Well, the cast is certainly not what i imagined, but they are really getting some serious upcoming talent for this movie, and that is promising.
At this point, i just want a good movie that feels fresh and exciting again... can't help but feel excited with Black directing.
Why do they keep saying the word Predators?? Will there be more than one??
They'll only get A list talent if someone, somewhere agrees to get paid less than usual to star in a Predator film.
Arnold is likely to be in this, though.
Looking forward to seeing Dutch again.
And Larry Fong as cinematographer aint no joke.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 20, 2017, 11:04:38 AM
Why do they keep saying the word Predators?? Will there be more than one??
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/sterling-k-brown-talks-join-shane-blacks-predator-966205
QuoteThe setting for the new story is suburbia and will feature many of the fierce hunter killers, not just one.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 20, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 20, 2017, 11:04:38 AM
Why do they keep saying the word Predators?? Will there be more than one??
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/sterling-k-brown-talks-join-shane-blacks-predator-966205
QuoteThe setting for the new story is suburbia and will feature many of the fierce hunter killers, not just one.
Thanks. 8)
You have O.J. as J.O. in the main article, dudes! Just a heads up!
Ta. Sorted.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 20, 2017, 01:37:11 AM
This cast is going to be full of awesomely talented cheap people.
But yeah this guy is dope anyway.
I hope that you're right, I really want this film to be good.
Fascinating and very cool that they've so far cast three excellent black actors in (presumably) lead roles.
He was fantastic in "The People...", really REALLY like this news!
this is not a reboot THR! If I can't trust that you can get that right....
QuoteThe setting for the new story is suburbia and will feature many of the fierce hunter killers, not just one.
Wait... Suburbia? Oh, no... Nononono...
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 20, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
QuoteThe setting for the new story is suburbia and will feature many of the fierce hunter killers, not just one.
Wait... Suburbia? Oh, no... Nononono...
That's an old article that's been debunked. No Suburbia.
Cool
No entirely set in Suburbia but partially I think.
strange cast of unknowns
Hope the cast convey the bad assery like the original cast of characters in Predator.
great. another dime store TV actor :(
Quote from: Keith on Jan 21, 2017, 01:37:10 PM
great. another dime store TV actor :(
Yeah he's a TV Actor and not a big name yet but he will be in a prominent role in Marvel's Black Panther the month before the Predator hits theaters. People won't think of him as a TV actor by then I bet. 2018 might be his year to blow up and become a household name.
Off topic but have you guys heard the rumor that by 2019 when James Cameron gets the rights back to Terminator he'll produce a new movie that's to be directed by Deadpool director Tim Miller? Dunno if Arnold may be involved, maybe too busy with The Predator depending if he's involved or not.
Lol. That's not a rumor. That's official. And why would he be too busy? Predator is filming in 2017. Nowhere near 2019. Lol.
Predator starts shooting next month.
Terminator 6 hasnt even hired a screenwriter, yet.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 21, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Lol. That's not a rumor. That's official. And why would he be too busy? Predator is filming in 2017. Nowhere near 2019. Lol.
Well seeing how long the delays have been, Predator 4's announcement in 2014, completing the script in late 2015, carrying out pre-production in 2016, finally setting up the filming this year 2017, a lengthy production ahead, set for a 2018 release we're lucky the movie didn't sizzle away in development hell.
Arnold maybe preoccupied with other commitments, e.i. The Apprentice, Legend of Conan, The Twins sequel Triplets, if they ever actually make it. honestly it looks like Arnold is unlikely to be involved in either movie, one The Predator despite being said to harken back to nostalgia while being an inventive sequel isn't likely to include a supporting role or a cameo for Arnold, even though a percent of the fan base would love to see that. As for Terminator is likely that project will be a reinvention rather than a continuation to the established series. They probably won't event get into production because Cameron won't gain the rights until 2019.
Quote from: pred4 on Jan 21, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
strange cast of unknowns
As if the cast of Predator 1987 was a well known cast LoL
Ontopic, i think the ex marine guy draws the attention of the predator and gets captured by the cops,
as from then on he want him as his opponent but the guy or refuses or the predator is luring him
out by killing the fbi cops and people around him, as he has to team up with the cops to fight the predator.
Maybe something like that?
Im again more curious to the mystery behind it all instead of the action scenes, will they show more of the predator world or group he hunts with? The gun blazing isnt my thing anymore.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jan 21, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 21, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Lol. That's not a rumor. That's official. And why would he be too busy? Predator is filming in 2017. Nowhere near 2019. Lol.
Well seeing how long the delays have been, Predator 4's announcement in 2014, completing the script in late 2015, carrying out pre-production in 2016, finally setting up the filming this year 2017, a lengthy production ahead, set for a 2018 release we're lucky the movie didn't sizzle away in development hell.
Arnold maybe preoccupied with other commitments, e.i. The Apprentice, Legend of Conan, The Twins sequel Triplets, if they ever actually make it. honestly it looks like Arnold is unlikely to be involved in either movie, one The Predator despite being said to harken back to nostalgia while being an inventive sequel isn't likely to include a supporting role or a cameo for Arnold, even though a percent of the fan base would love to see that. As for Terminator is likely that project will be a reinvention rather than a continuation to the established series. They probably won't event get into production because Cameron won't gain the rights until 2019.
K. 2017 and 2019 are not synonymous. They are different years and have several hundred days in between them.
Quote from: Infected on Jan 21, 2017, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: pred4 on Jan 21, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
strange cast of unknowns
As if the cast of Predator 1987 was a well known cast LoL
Ontopic, i think the ex marine guy draws the attention of the predator and gets captured by the cops,
as from then on he want him as his opponent but the guy or refuses or the predator is luring him
out by killing the fbi cops and people around him, as he has to team up with the cops to fight the predator.
Maybe something like that?
Im again more curious to the mystery behind it all instead of the action scenes, will they show more of the predator world or group he hunts with? The gun blazing isnt my thing anymore.
Predator wasn't a franchise when Predator came out. You gotta grow and capture new demographics. Helen Mirren and Charlize Theron are in the new Fast and Furious film. No one big was in the original. You can't be modest anymore. At least they got it right with Shane and Larry the DP.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 22, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jan 21, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 21, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Lol. That's not a rumor. That's official. And why would he be too busy? Predator is filming in 2017. Nowhere near 2019. Lol.
Well seeing how long the delays have been, Predator 4's announcement in 2014, completing the script in late 2015, carrying out pre-production in 2016, finally setting up the filming this year 2017, a lengthy production ahead, set for a 2018 release we're lucky the movie didn't sizzle away in development hell.
Arnold maybe preoccupied with other commitments, e.i. The Apprentice, Legend of Conan, The Twins sequel Triplets, if they ever actually make it. honestly it looks like Arnold is unlikely to be involved in either movie, one The Predator despite being said to harken back to nostalgia while being an inventive sequel isn't likely to include a supporting role or a cameo for Arnold, even though a percent of the fan base would love to see that. As for Terminator is likely that project will be a reinvention rather than a continuation to the established series. They probably won't event get into production because Cameron won't gain the rights until 2019.
K. 2017 and 2019 are not synonymous. They are different years and have several hundred days in between them.
I merely brought up the fact the Predator had been delayed for a ridiculous long time were lucky they're set on making it. If Arnold has involvement he might be contracted to promote the movie on tour internationally, but may very well have time to carry out involvement with Termiantor, which is unlikely to happen til 2019 before a release of 2020, 2019 about ten years til the setting of future war in Terminator, 2029.
*fixed quotes. Hicks
Quote...the Predator had been delayed for a ridiculous long time were lucky they're set on making it
I thought it was announced in 2014 and delayed (after the script was ready) only a couple of months from shooting in October 2016 to February 2017. I might be wrong but I don't remember reading any articles about The Predator being put on a serious hold or hiatus.
I wouldn't worry, man, think about it - when was Dwayne Johnson announced as Black Adam and Doc Savage? It'll take a couple of years for those projects to get to shooting and released but they aren't in trouble.
I optimistically hope Schwarzenegger is in the movie and if he is, chances are he won't need more than a few weeks of shooting since he's not the main character. It can fit in his schedule :)
QuotePredator wasn't a franchise when Predator came out. You gotta grow and capture new demographics. Helen Mirren and Charlize Theron are in the new Fast and Furious film.
I agree, but I think there's a difference here. The Fast franchise has had strong enough momentum with their movies coming out soon after each other; the Predator on the other hand? It has
required time to marinate after the spinoffs that general audiences didn't really gravitate towards. And it has been a long time since 1987. That means Shane Black's film has to reinvigorate life into the franchise rather than grow organically like a franchise that's been going strong for 15 years or so.
On the plus side, the film is finding new demographics in other ways. It's casting up-in-comers and people who have buzz around them (by 2018, Holbrook and Brown will probably have audiences wanting more - fingers crossed!).
On a totally other note, I'm watching The People v OJ right now (which is fantastic BTW in case you haven't watched it), and it's kind of funny that Sterling K Brown is sharing multiple scenes with the guy who played Dallas in AVPR. Then it reminded me of Trevante Rhodes being in Moonlight with Mahershala Ali, who was in Predators. It's like Predator is the new "6 degrees from Kevin Bacan" or something lol :P
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 22, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jan 21, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 21, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Lol. That's not a rumor. That's official. And why would he be too busy? Predator is filming in 2017. Nowhere near 2019. Lol.
Well seeing how long the delays have been, Predator 4's announcement in 2014, completing the script in late 2015, carrying out pre-production in 2016, finally setting up the filming this year 2017, a lengthy production ahead, set for a 2018 release we're lucky the movie didn't sizzle away in development hell.
Arnold maybe preoccupied with other commitments, e.i. The Apprentice, Legend of Conan, The Twins sequel Triplets, if they ever actually make it. honestly it looks like Arnold is unlikely to be involved in either movie, one The Predator despite being said to harken back to nostalgia while being an inventive sequel isn't likely to include a supporting role or a cameo for Arnold, even though a percent of the fan base would love to see that. As for Terminator is likely that project will be a reinvention rather than a continuation to the established series. They probably won't event get into production because Cameron won't gain the rights until 2019.
K. 2017 and 2019 are not synonymous. They are different years and have several hundred days in between them.
Quote from: Infected on Jan 21, 2017, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: pred4 on Jan 21, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
strange cast of unknowns
As if the cast of Predator 1987 was a well known cast LoL
Ontopic, i think the ex marine guy draws the attention of the predator and gets captured by the cops,
as from then on he want him as his opponent but the guy or refuses or the predator is luring him
out by killing the fbi cops and people around him, as he has to team up with the cops to fight the predator.
Maybe something like that?
Im again more curious to the mystery behind it all instead of the action scenes, will they show more of the predator world or group he hunts with? The gun blazing isnt my thing anymore.
Predator wasn't a franchise when Predator came out. You gotta grow and capture new demographics. Helen Mirren and Charlize Theron are in the new Fast and Furious film. No one big was in the original. You can't be modest anymore. At least they got it right with Shane and Larry the DP.
The cast of Rogue One isnt that well known, but they did the job done more then one way.
Mendolsohn. Yen. Whitaker. Tudyk. Mikkelsen. I know who all them motherf**kas are.
And it's less about who they have and more who Shane Black has worked with in the past and who he wanted for this project.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 22, 2017, 04:31:14 PM
Mendolsohn. Yen. Whitaker. Tudyk. Mikkelsen. I know who all them motherf**kas are.
And it's less about who they have and more who Shane Black has worked with in the past and who he wanted for this project.
All of them arent that big in the Hollywood scene.
I gotta go with Bishop here. A lot of people know who those people are. They may not be house hold names, but in general they're very well known.
Quote from: Infected on Jan 21, 2017, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: pred4 on Jan 21, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
strange cast of unknowns
As if the cast of Predator 1987 was a well known cast LoL
The cast of Predator 1987 was star-studded compared to this cast.
Apollo Creed, Jesse 'The Body' Ventura, Mr Universe weren't well known in '87?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
Apollo Creed, Jesse 'The Body' Ventura, Mr Universe weren't well known in '87?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure those guys were house hold names before
Predator came along.
I was very young and didn't know any of them...
And again: It's less about who they have, and more who Shane Black has worked with in the past, and who he wanted for this project.
Could you imagine who would've been Quinn's best friend had Affleck accepted...
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
Apollo Creed, Jesse 'The Body' Ventura, Mr Universe weren't well known in '87?
Yes, remember nobody had internet back then, we arent all Americans and we didnt grew up with Hollywood in our backyard.
When we went for a movie to the cinema because it was recommended or just a wild guess when we stood in front of the cinema display,
looking for upcoming movies or just looked at screenshots that hang in the display of the cinema outside.
But i agree, i think they should have casted the Rock for at least one role in this.
Quote from: Infected on Jan 23, 2017, 01:51:06 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
Apollo Creed, Jesse 'The Body' Ventura, Mr Universe weren't well known in '87?
Yes, remember nobody had internet back then, we arent all Americans and we didnt grew up with Hollywood in our backyard.
When we went for a movie to the cinema because it was recommended or just a wild guess when we stood in front of the cinema display,
looking for upcoming movies or just looked at screenshots that hang in the display of the cinema outside.
But i agree, i think they should have casted the Rock for at least one role in this.
That's true and I can understand that.
TBH I saw Predator in the early 90s and I didn't know any of those people, except maybe Arnold because he was in a lot of popular movies around that time. But he was also well known in several circles as far back as the 70s due to bodybuilding. I also never watched the Rocky films or WWE.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 23, 2017, 02:02:09 AM
Quote from: Infected on Jan 23, 2017, 01:51:06 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 22, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
Apollo Creed, Jesse 'The Body' Ventura, Mr Universe weren't well known in '87?
Yes, remember nobody had internet back then, we arent all Americans and we didnt grew up with Hollywood in our backyard.
When we went for a movie to the cinema because it was recommended or just a wild guess when we stood in front of the cinema display,
looking for upcoming movies or just looked at screenshots that hang in the display of the cinema outside.
But i agree, i think they should have casted the Rock for at least one role in this.
That's true and I can understand that.
Lets be honest, you think Boyd Holbrook is a guy people feel with or you think he can carry a movie like this?
He isnt much more then the older brother from AVP Requiem.
Ill be honest Holbrook looks like a schmuck, looks good on the walkway or in pictures but a leading role in The Predator?
Im not hating but im being realistic, Brody pulled it off in Predators but Holbrook aint no Brody or Schwarzenegger/Glover.
I was referring to your statement about how not a lot of people might not have known most of the Predator cast because they didn't have the internet back then or live in a America.
As for the new guy? I have no clue who is. It's a strange cast to be sure, but I'll go with it for now. Also, I didn't care for Brody in Predators . I just couldn't buy him in that role. But then again a lot of people hated Glover in Predator 2, but I loved him.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 23, 2017, 10:09:01 PM
I was referring to your statement about how not a lot of people might not have known most of the Predator cast because they didn't have the internet back then or live in a America.
As for the new guy? I have no clue who is. It's a strange cast to be sure, but I'll go with it for now. Also, I didn't care for Brody in Predators . I just couldn't buy him in that role. But then again a lot of people hated Glover in Predator 2, but I loved him.
I just looked up Holbrook today, he is a porn actor lol sorry to say it but he is.
Same, i dont understand the hate on Predator 2 in anyway cast and storywise.
Where are you seeing this? I looked him up on Google and it didn't say anything like that?
I can understand some of the complaints when it comes to P2 story. It's all action with very little moments where you really get to know the characters. I wish Hopkins would've kept in the scenes at Danny's funeral. Also, Leona's birthday party showing her husband. There were scenes with Captain Pilgrim talking about how Mike should watch his ass with the Feds in said scene. But even then I'm not sure that would be enough.
But I love P2 it's a worthy sequel to the original.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 23, 2017, 10:32:40 PM
Where are you seeing this? I looked him up on Google and it didn't say anything like that?
I can understand some of the complaints when it comes to P2 story. It's all action with very little moments where you really get to know the characters. I wish Hopkins would've kept in the scenes at Danny's funeral. Also, Leona's birthday party showing her husband. There were scenes with Captain Pilgrim talking about how Mike should watch his ass with the Feds in said scene. But even then I'm not sure that would be enough.
But I love P2 it's a worthy sequel to the original.
To me Holbrook looks like a pornstar :D
Predator 2 is good, its got awesome characters, cool quotes and everybody loves king Willy.
Cause it's so hipster to trash on P2. Same as trashing on A3, A:R and of course Star Wars Prequels.
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2017, 09:12:59 AM
Cause it's so hipster to trash on P2. Same as trashing on A3, A:R and of course Star Wars Prequels.
I dont think thats the case for a lot of fans, and you are doing it no justice to just call it hip for trash talking.
Imo these movies have their flaws, and its a good thing to speak about that.
GQ interview:
QuoteGQ: So you're in the new Predator movie!
Sterling K. Brown: I'm going to Vancouver for a couple of months for this new Predator film. Shane Black is a beast, the script is off the chain. I think it's a really nice reboot to something that people are familiar with, but it's gonna turn it over on its heels a little bit. My character's a very different character than Randall, which is very exciting for me. I won't elaborate too much more than that, but he's definitely not Randall. 

How'd you get involved in the project?
Well, the producers reached out to my agent, they said, We have this wonderful script and Shane is a fan. John Davis, who's the producer, said, "I'm a fan of Sterling's and we would like for him to check out the script and see if he's interested." And I read it, and it was fantastic, and expressed my interest, and they said "let's make it happen.
" And I tell you, that's a pretty cool thing for me personally, because, it hasn't been like that up to this point in my career. So to receive a call from a producer like Mr. Davis, with a writer/director like Mr. Black, who are interested in Mr. Brown, is alright by me.
Were you a fan of Shane Black?
When I saw Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, I was like, this is the shit. I was like, this movie is so dope, and Downey was so flawless, and so was Val, and the script just crackled. And what I didn't learn about Shane until I just had a meeting with John Davis a couple days ago, was that Shane became a superstar from Jump Street, when he was 21 and he wrote one of the best scripts that anyone had ever scene, called Lethal Weapon. 
This dude wrote Lethal Weapon at 21! I was like Holy shit! So between that, Kiss Kiss, and Iron Man 3—he's a beast. Yeah, I'm a fan. 

http://www.gq.com/story/sterling-k-brown-black-panther
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 28, 2017, 11:52:25 PM
GQ interview:
QuoteGQ: So you're in the new Predator movie!
Sterling K. Brown: I'm going to Vancouver for a couple of months for this new Predator film. Shane Black is a beast, the script is off the chain. I think it's a really nice reboot to something that people are familiar with, but it's gonna turn it over on its heels a little bit. My character's a very different character than Randall, which is very exciting for me. I won't elaborate too much more than that, but he's definitely not Randall. 

How'd you get involved in the project?
Well, the producers reached out to my agent, they said, We have this wonderful script and Shane is a fan. John Davis, who's the producer, said, "I'm a fan of Sterling's and we would like for him to check out the script and see if he's interested." And I read it, and it was fantastic, and expressed my interest, and they said "let's make it happen.
" And I tell you, that's a pretty cool thing for me personally, because, it hasn't been like that up to this point in my career. So to receive a call from a producer like Mr. Davis, with a writer/director like Mr. Black, who are interested in Mr. Brown, is alright by me.
Were you a fan of Shane Black?
When I saw Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, I was like, this is the shit. I was like, this movie is so dope, and Downey was so flawless, and so was Val, and the script just crackled. And what I didn't learn about Shane until I just had a meeting with John Davis a couple days ago, was that Shane became a superstar from Jump Street, when he was 21 and he wrote one of the best scripts that anyone had ever scene, called Lethal Weapon. 
This dude wrote Lethal Weapon at 21! I was like Holy shit! So between that, Kiss Kiss, and Iron Man 3—he's a beast. Yeah, I'm a fan. 

http://www.gq.com/story/sterling-k-brown-black-panther
Nice find, he seems to like the script...[emoji848]
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Quote from: shawsbaby on Jan 20, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Fascinating and very cool that they've so far cast three excellent black actors in (presumably) lead roles.
indeed
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Mar 01, 2017, 02:35:35 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 28, 2017, 11:52:25 PM
GQ interview:
QuoteGQ: So you're in the new Predator movie!
Sterling K. Brown: I'm going to Vancouver for a couple of months for this new Predator film. Shane Black is a beast, the script is off the chain. I think it's a really nice reboot to something that people are familiar with, but it's gonna turn it over on its heels a little bit. My character's a very different character than Randall, which is very exciting for me. I won't elaborate too much more than that, but he's definitely not Randall. 

How'd you get involved in the project?
Well, the producers reached out to my agent, they said, We have this wonderful script and Shane is a fan. John Davis, who's the producer, said, "I'm a fan of Sterling's and we would like for him to check out the script and see if he's interested." And I read it, and it was fantastic, and expressed my interest, and they said "let's make it happen.
" And I tell you, that's a pretty cool thing for me personally, because, it hasn't been like that up to this point in my career. So to receive a call from a producer like Mr. Davis, with a writer/director like Mr. Black, who are interested in Mr. Brown, is alright by me.
Were you a fan of Shane Black?
When I saw Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, I was like, this is the shit. I was like, this movie is so dope, and Downey was so flawless, and so was Val, and the script just crackled. And what I didn't learn about Shane until I just had a meeting with John Davis a couple days ago, was that Shane became a superstar from Jump Street, when he was 21 and he wrote one of the best scripts that anyone had ever scene, called Lethal Weapon. 
This dude wrote Lethal Weapon at 21! I was like Holy shit! So between that, Kiss Kiss, and Iron Man 3—he's a beast. Yeah, I'm a fan. 

http://www.gq.com/story/sterling-k-brown-black-panther
Nice find, he seems to like the script...[emoji848]
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He also confirmed that is a reboot.Told you it was a reboot disguised as a sequel.
He is speaking in terms of revival, not restarting. Sequels revive all the time.
That term gets thrown about and used for so many different things it's near enough void of actual meaning now-a-days.
No offense but honestly, who cares? We're getting another Predator movie that will at least reference past events
And the Predator films are barely connected anyway.
Sterling K. Brown talks more about The Predator
Directed and co-written by Shane Black (Lethal Weapon), this reboot of the thermal-tracking, human-hunting alien franchise is the fourth installment in the Predator series and set in present day. Though technically a sequel, it does not continue story lines from 1987's Predator, 1990's Predator, or 2010's Predators. "Shane has his whole take on it and it's very different than the original Predator," Brown tells EW. "It's got a really wicked sense of humor to it, which I love about it. And it's got a real camaraderie amongst the main characters that I think folks will be attracted to. That's pretty much all I can say."
http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/11/sterling-k-brown-predator-reboot/
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Thanks for sharing, Wolverine.
Who gives a fark anymore, fox had the opportunity to have Dutch back for another film, give the character a worthy reason to be included but no, so im sure im not alone on this but I couldn't care less about predator much anymore, much like how fox could of brought back ripley and hicks for aliens sequel, fox think, yeah we have no fans we have to concentrate on new audience now, fark fox, and this film doesn't look like its going to become an event film ether.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 12, 2017, 07:25:35 AM
Thanks for sharing, Wolverine.
Anytime
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Every Shane Black movie has a wicked sense of humour so that statement is like saying rain is wet. The 'very different from the original' is what's peaked my interest. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
The humor in that leaked script was abysmal ,like it was written by a child in the 6th grade who's seen too many tough guy movies.The jokes didn't connect at all.
Quote from: predator88 on Apr 12, 2017, 12:18:01 PM
The humor in that leaked script was abysmal ,like it was written by a child in the 6th grade who's seen too many tough guy movies.The jokes didn't connect at all.
Plus the racist remarks, they better remove them.
While its encouraging that it will have its humor moments like n the original Predator, I hope it doesn't go self parody to the point where its not taken seriously.
I don't remember any racist remarks...
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2017, 09:12:59 AM
Cause it's so hipster to trash on P2. Same as trashing on A3, A:R and of course Star Wars Prequels.
I've been trashing Predator 2 for twenty years. Because like the Star Wars prequels, it is a bad movie.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 20, 2017, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 20, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
QuoteThe setting for the new story is suburbia and will feature many of the fierce hunter killers, not just one.
Wait... Suburbia? Oh, no... Nononono...
That's an old article that's been debunked. No Suburbia.
Yes Suburbia.
Several scenes are set in suburbia but not the whole thing.
Again, I've read it. I'd say at least 60-70% of the movie is set in suburban Georgia. There is the Cuba opening and there are a couple other locales as the characters converge on Georgia - a black ops base being one - and then another setting change for the finale, but that's about it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
Again, I've read it. I'd say at least 60-70% of the movie is set in suburban Georgia. There is the Cuba opening and there are a couple other locales as the characters converge on Georgia - a black ops base being one - and then another setting change for the finale, but that's about it.
What location does the Predator kill people most frequently? It would be just civilians in a suburban place.
Just a hunch here. Makes me think that the "camaraderie" side of things is what Shane Black thinks made the original Predator good. Since he was part of the "squad/crew" etc...Camaraderie can be a cool/fun aspect of movies, but Predator was low on the scale in regards to that. I get that it was a part of it, but I think Black may be over-valuing it vs. what the movie-goer is seeing and liking. Makes sense tho. If Black were true to the story and the original Predator. He would have given Dutch a bigger part. But he seems to think Dutch wasn't that big of a deal to the movie overall. Which he was. It's too bad. Because the story of Dutch after killing a Pred and all the events that could have unfolded with him after that, is a gold-mine, that Black is completely passing up for his own interests.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 02:33:38 PM
I don't remember any racist remarks...
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2017, 09:12:59 AM
Cause it's so hipster to trash on P2. Same as trashing on A3, A:R and of course Star Wars Prequels.
I've been trashing Predator 2 for twenty years. Because like the Star Wars prequels, it is a bad movie.
I'm stating my oppinion as fact and claim I have read the script and/or have inside source I totally can't confirm. I so cool! No body tried that before, Yeah!
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 11, 2017, 08:16:35 PM
Though technically a sequel, it does not continue story lines from 1987's Predator, 1990's Predator, or 2010's Predators.
So... just to clarify... It's set in the same universe, but doesn't continue the storylines of the previous sequels... OR it's a side-continuity in a similar universe which branches off the first? I'm a little lost here.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 12, 2017, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 11, 2017, 08:16:35 PM
Though technically a sequel, it does not continue story lines from 1987's Predator, 1990's Predator, or 2010's Predators.
So... just to clarify... It's set in the same universe, but doesn't continue the storylines of the previous sequels... OR it's a side-continuity in a similar universe which branches off the first? I'm a little lost here.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 12, 2017, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 11, 2017, 08:16:35 PM
Though technically a sequel, it does not continue story lines from 1987's Predator, 1990's Predator, or 2010's Predators.
So... just to clarify... It's set in the same universe, but doesn't continue the storylines of the previous sequels... OR it's a side-continuity in a similar universe which branches off the first? I'm a little lost here.
It takes place in modern day and references events of past films. However, it doesn't continue the characters' stories of those films. I hope that made sense
These movies are so basic and simple in their timelines. There's no hidden meaning behind the article's phrasing. It's a sequel, but doesn't continue Dutch's, Harrigan's or Royce's stories.
Ahhhhh. The fans! They nourish my soul.
Oh, lookie here! Yet another self made phony prophet!
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 02:33:38 PM
I don't remember any racist remarks...
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2017, 09:12:59 AM
Cause it's so hipster to trash on P2. Same as trashing on A3, A:R and of course Star Wars Prequels.
I've been trashing Predator 2 for twenty years. Because like the Star Wars prequels, it is a bad movie.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 20, 2017, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 20, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
QuoteThe setting for the new story is suburbia and will feature many of the fierce hunter killers, not just one.
Wait... Suburbia? Oh, no... Nononono...
That's an old article that's been debunked. No Suburbia.
Yes Suburbia.
SpeedyMaxx,
I'd love to know what your thoughts on Predators is. Don't think I've read them yet.
"Shane has his whole take on it and it's very different than the original Predator. It's got a really wicked sense of humor to it, which I love about it. And it's got a real camaraderie amongst the main characters"
So just like the first Predator?
To be clear: This movie takes place in the exact same universe as all the others. Dutch Schaefer is name-checked more than once. It's only a 'reboot' in the sense that this film is intended to jumpstart the franchise again.
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2017, 09:12:59 AM
I'm stating my oppinion as fact and claim I have read the script and/or have inside source I totally can't confirm. I so cool! No body tried that before, Yeah!
K
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 12, 2017, 08:47:51 PM
I'd love to know what your thoughts on Predators is. Don't think I've read them yet.
I've talked about it before on here. I think it is a passable but unremarkable sequel which looked and felt cheap and kind of tossed-off by the studio. It could've been much more. I liked Brody and some of the cast (not all - there was a point in those years where Alice Braga was the mediocre actress they'd throw into any genre movie) and I had a nice enough time but I was left a bit deflated.
Predators is also part of the reason I don't believe another jungle action/typical hunt movie a la the original would be a serious hit today. People saw that movie and didn't care; it's time to change things up. This is a much more committed effort on the studio's part to give the franchise to top talent, but it is very different. Whether people like it or not is down to them.
I agree with you. On paper Predators was promising, but the planet shouldn't have been jungle-like. And there should've been more of the new elements e.g. the falcons, the dogs, the river hunter, etc.
There was no wonder and the cinematography was awful. It looked like a backyard movie and in essence it was. "Make it at TroubleMaker studios, keep it away from our meddling!" So, a Texas backyard. I did enjoy the casting of Brody, Grace, Fishburne, and Goggins though.
A Predator film that is not a hunt is refreshing and novel and so so so welcome. Shane being inspired by Spielberg, Hawkes and Cameron makes me very happy. All I could remember were Antal and Rodriguez talking about their sole inspiration for Predators: Predator. And boy did they ever get inspired, but not in a good way.
And why do you think a lot of the top talent they courted all turned it down? I heard it was because Predator is not seen as a cool franchise and kind of shopworn at this point, even with a talent like Black at the helm. And there was even surprise that they managed to snag Del Toro.
I'm personally not convinced Del Toro was intended for the Holbrook role like some people think. It just never read like a character he does in any way. I think it's likely he could've been up for Nebraska Williams, or the human antagonist - or a military intelligence role that is heavy in the third act. (I think Edward James Olmos may be playing that role now, but it's just a guess)
Predators was a disappointment, it lacked a solid director among other things.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 09:54:46 PM
I'm personally not convinced Del Toro was intended for the Holbrook role like some people think. It just never read like a character he does in any way. I think it's likely he could've been up for Nebraska Williams, or the human antagonist - or a military intelligence role that is heavy in the third act. (I think Edward James Olmos may be playing that role now, but it's just a guess)
Olmos plays general Woodhurst.
Then my guess is correct.
the disney style jokes in IM3 were terrible but that is obligatory in the mcu, both Predator movies had humour but it was little and dark, i hope they dont go overboard but i dont have good expectations with this movie anyway
Predator is the ONLY sequel that worked. The people who dont like it dont have any ground to stand on in their reasoning. Predator 2 put Predators to shame. That movie was just one giant homage to the first movie with hacky elements like that falcon, the dogs, and those awful "super" predators.
I was very satisfied with Predators, i loved the characters and thought the humor was great, I also loved alien resurrection because it had a different tone and had alot of comic book stile fun, The Predator needs that Joss widen sort of comedy in it.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Apr 13, 2017, 12:52:50 AM
Predator is the ONLY sequel that worked. The people who dont like it dont have any ground to stand on in their reasoning.
- Danny Glover, a talented actor who was middle-aged even then and who plays every action role as though he is about to asphyxiate and die, fighting the Predator
- The world being some sort of goofy futuristic dystopia in "1997"
- "Jamaican drug lords"
- Whatever the deal was with Maria Conchita Alonso's character and a Predator sparing her because she's... pregnant?
- Bill Paxton showing up to transparently cameo as Hudson the cop
- Gary Busey's random scene with his tinfoil suit
I could go on. Sorry, if people like it that's their prerogative, I've just always hated it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Apr 13, 2017, 12:52:50 AM
Predator is the ONLY sequel that worked. The people who dont like it dont have any ground to stand on in their reasoning.
- Danny Glover, a talented actor who was middle-aged even then and who plays every action role as though he is about to asphyxiate and die, fighting the Predator
- The world being some sort of goofy futuristic dystopia in "1997"
- "Jamaican drug lords"
- Whatever the deal was with Maria Conchita Alonso's character and a Predator sparing her because she's... pregnant?
- Bill Paxton showing up to transparently cameo as Hudson the cop
- Gary Busey's random scene with his tinfoil suit
I could go on. Sorry, if people like it that's their prerogative, I've just always hated it.
1. He played thogh as nails cop. Not super commando. He was believable, also it really doesn`t matter if you are in good shape or super shape. Predator will kick your ass anyway.
2. Similar world as in Robocop, falvor of it`s time.
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_posse
Do reserch before posting bull.
4. See that`s one of this small quirks that gives Predator it`s character. He is no Jason and I love it.
5. Standard Bill Paxton role, as in Terminator or True Lies (always Love you buddy, hope you`re in better place)
6. Bullshit argument
Nice link about 'posses' in the 1980s, but the idea that Jamaican druglords have overrun organized crime in Los Angeles in the '90s was both laughable then and now as well as cartoonishly racist.
Quote2. Similar world as in Robocop, falvor of it`s time.
RoboCop was dealing with a broadly fantastical future. This was supposed to be our reality with a few extra years. The movie came out in 1990 and posited that in seven years LA would be overrun by rasta dudes and looking like a demilitarized zone.
You can call my take bullshit all you like, it's how I've felt since the first time I saw it. I think it's a shit sequel, sorry. And I don't think it's ever made much of a huge impression with the general public either, beyond the alien skull near the end.
I can`t convince you, you can`t convince me either. As far as I`m concerned it`s regarded as very good sequel and negativity towards it (paradoxically) I first encountered on AvPGalaxy. To each own I guess.
Going back to present time. I still don`t get, how going throught the most generic way, with new film, it`s going to enrich the franchise? Same goes with Super Predator concept. People didn`t like it in 2010, why go back to it?
You know I just love Predator 2... with all it's whacky elements it still is miles ahead of the dreadful PredatorS which was just an awful homage to the original. I hope the new film goes for the same kind of music that the first 2 films had.
Predators is on thesame medicority plane as AvP. Those films are complementary to me. Where one does right, other does wrong and vice versa.
Quote from: Master on Apr 13, 2017, 07:56:09 AM
Going back to present time. I still don`t get, how going throught the most generic way, with new film, it`s going to enrich the franchise? Same goes with Super Predator concept. People didn`t like it in 2010, why go back to it?
I don't find the script generic. I don't think it has any relation to anything in
Predators (which not a lot of people saw). You may or may not feel differently when the film comes out.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: Master on Apr 13, 2017, 07:56:09 AM
Going back to present time. I still don`t get, how going throught the most generic way, with new film, it`s going to enrich the franchise? Same goes with Super Predator concept. People didn`t like it in 2010, why go back to it?
I don't find the script generic. I don't think it has any relation to anything in Predators (which not a lot of people saw). You may or may not feel differently when the film comes out.
Spoiler
The script is going into Alien Invasion Movie territory, basically the most generic s-f there is.
I`m not saying it has anything to do with Ps per se, but Super Predator concept was introduced in script for Ps. Predators modyfying their genome with verious prey dna to upgrade their efficiency, sounds familiar?
A lot of people losing their shit (not necessarily on here) at Sterling's claim the film will be funny clearly forgot how serious the first one was when Arnie nailed a guy to a post with his knife and told him to "stick around".
Just look at the first Lethal Weapon that Black wrote - very funny when it wants to be, but hardly a lighthearted movie. It's dark as hell.
In fairness, this script is a lot more overtly humorous than the occasional joke in the original. Shane Black (and Fred Dekker) like a lot of humor with their action, it's the way they are. If you like their work you'll probably be happy; if you don't you might not.
Quote from: Master on Apr 13, 2017, 09:21:34 AMSpoiler
The script is going into Alien Invasion Movie territory, basically the most generic s-f there is.
You're entitled to feel that way. All I can tell you is I think the story gives the Predators a new complexity and purpose that can allow the franchise to expand between just doing more movies with them hunting over and over and diminshing returns. Watch the film and decide for yourself.
QuoteI`m not saying it has anything to do with Ps per se, but Super Predator concept was introduced in script for Ps. Predators modyfying their genome with verious prey dna to upgrade their efficiency, sounds familiar?
I don't remember a thing about that in the actual film. I'm not saying it's not in there, but it clearly didn't make an impression. If it was in the script and not the film then it's not relevant. Personally I doubt the creators of this film went so far as to read that.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:30:57 AMIn fairness, this script is a lot more overtly humorous than the occasional joke in the original. Shane Black (and Fred Dekker) like a lot of humor with their action, it's the way they are. If you like their work you'll probably be happy; if you don't you might not.
Has it even been proven the leaked script is entirely legit? Either way, I've purposefully not read it. I'd rather see it fresh.
I love Black's writing style, so if the film's in line with his previous works I'm sure I'll love that aspect of it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:30:57 AM
In fairness, this script is a lot more overtly humorous than the occasional joke in the original. Shane Black (and Fred Dekker) like a lot of humor with their action, it's the way they are. If you like their work you'll probably be happy; if you don't you might not.
Quote from: Master on Apr 13, 2017, 09:21:34 AMSpoiler
The script is going into Alien Invasion Movie territory, basically the most generic s-f there is.
You're entitled to feel that way. All I can tell you is I think the story gives the Predators a new complexity and purpose that can allow the franchise to expand between just doing more movies with them hunting over and over and diminshing returns. Watch the film and decide for yourself.
QuoteI`m not saying it has anything to do with Ps per se, but Super Predator concept was introduced in script for Ps. Predators modyfying their genome with verious prey dna to upgrade their efficiency, sounds familiar?
I don't remember a thing about that in the actual film. I'm not saying it's not in there, but it clearly didn't make an impression. If it was in the script and not the film then it's not relevant. Personally I doubt the creators of this film went so far as to read that.
Not much of it made into the final film but it was in the script and was not liked by fans.
Spoiler
Ok. If it`s going into invasion then I don`t see many more films afterwards. If not,then waht`s the point suggesting it. I personally pity the conclusion is 'the want our earth'. From intergalactic alien hunter to yet another prawn/tripod etc. etc.
The script is legit.
There's plenty of openings in the story from where it goes, IMO.
Spoiler
The story presents it as an intergalactic 'cold war' that is finally heating up, with human forces (allied at times with some Predators - it must be noted the initial 'hero' Predator still mercilessly kills good guys at the beginning) prepared to take on the Predators. That is a huge new development. In the script it's said by someone important that 'the war's already started.'
Provided the film does well, that is the new direction of the franchise.
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Is there any reason given why an advanced alien species that can fly literally anywhere in space would need take Earth, or is it another "They're coming for our entirely common resources they could find any of a trillion other places" story? I think someone said they were coming here because our planet is heating up while theirs is cooling?
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Ok. But why war in first place? It's one of the very few that successfully tried something different and now it's going back to 'they want our planet, let's fight back!'. It also changes the whole plot of hunting and randers other film nonexistent.
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Is there any reason given why an advanced alien species that can fly literally anywhere in space would need take Earth, or is it another "They're coming for our entirely common resources they could find any of a trillion other places" story? I think someone said they were coming here because our planet is heating up while theirs is cooling?
Yes, I said that. It's also said they keep coming back
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because we're an endangered species - they're getting supplies while they last. I can't recall if it's fully explicated but I believe it's the newer/possibly dominant faction that embarked on the plan to take Earth as well. It's made clear they hunt to hybridize and improve themselves - hence the reason the term 'predator' is used when actual predators, strictly speaking, do not hunt for sport (this issue is an ongoing point in the script and leads to the later reveal) - but now that hybridization has a new purpose, namely allowing them to acclimate to our relatively nearby world which is approaching hothouse conditions which suit their species. This part is made clear.
As for why they don't go to some other hot planet - because it's a movie franchise, and because there is no money in 'Predators go to entirely new planet with no humans involved'. Though I wouldn't be surprised if we went to theirs in a future sequel.
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But why war in first place? It's one of the very few that successfully tried something different and now it's going back to 'they want our planet, let's fight back!'.
It doesn't render those films nonexistent; they happened. But this story draws a much clearer distinction between the concept of hunter and Predator and gets into why they hunt for sport as opposed to being strictly natural predators. Also, this is not leading to the kind of movie you are thinking of. In terms of how the Predators behave in this story, regardless of what their strategy is, their execution is what it has always been - kill everything.
As for trying something different, this is that. Not trying something different would be making another variation on the movie from '87, another straight hunt.
Predators tried that and flopped. This story gives the franchise an aim and future purpose. Whether you dig it or not is up to you when you see the movie.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 10:20:30 AMThe script is legit.
According to who?
The genie in a lamp who gave it to me. Take my word for it or don't, your call.
These spoilers are slowly killing any interest in the movie.
It's a complete reboot. If you think otherwise your in denial. It's S. Black "refreshing" the Pred franchise. AKA. Who gives a sh-t about the back story/Dutch/etc. We've got new blood to pump money out of. And let it stand that a little nod here and there to the "old" movies can be done in a reboot. This is horrible. I'm giving up on the Dutch/Arnold angle/story being made whole. Good luck everyone with your "new" "rebooted" Pred franchise. Makes me appreciate the Alien Universe so much more now.
Chill, Winston. Just asking how you know with such certainty.
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Chill, Winston. Just asking how you know with such certainty.
Because I read it?
I'm chill, I just never understand what people expect people to say when they have sensitive information and someone opens with the first question of 'how do you know'. It's kind of pointless. Like, what exactly would convince you that would not compromise the source?
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 13, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Chill, Winston. Just asking how you know with such certainty.
Because I read it?
I'm chill, I just never understand what people expect people to say when they have sensitive information and someone opens with the first question of 'how do you know'. It's kind of pointless. Like, what exactly would convince you that would not compromise the source?
Is your source the only leaker of the script? I've heard that numerous people have it and read it, did he pass the script out to all of them? If not he shouldn't have to worry about exposure.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 04:10:49 PMBecause I read it?
I'm chill, I just never understand what people expect people to say when they have sensitive information and someone opens with the first question of 'how do you know'. It's kind of pointless. Like, what exactly would convince you that would not compromise the source?
Well for starters I wasn't aware that you know anything more "sensitive" than the draft that's been publicly leaked.
For all I knew you were just someone taking the leaked script as golden when there's no real proof it is.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 13, 2017, 04:15:18 PMIs your source the only leaker of the script? I've heard that numerous people have it and read it, did he pass the script out to all of them? If not he shouldn't have to worry about exposure.
Certainly they aren't the only one. But that doesn't mean I'm going to expose them to satisfy you, sorry. That's not how I work.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 13, 2017, 04:21:58 PM
For all I knew you were just someone taking the leaked script as golden when there's no real proof it is.
All I can say is that I have good reason to believe it is completely legit. In addition, so does anyone who's seen the script and followed the production - exact roles, character names, set locations, titles, minutiae all add up to it being identical to the script, give or take a few very minor details here and there.
On the slim chance we all got conned on multiple levels, though, hey - the movie will be that much more exciting.
SpeedyMaxx, you probably already answered this but I can't read every post I missed, so forgive me if I'm repeating the question: Do you like what you're read? Do you think it's going to be a good movie?
Quote from: overthere on Apr 13, 2017, 04:27:42 PM
SpeedyMaxx, you probably already answered this but I can't read every post I missed, so forgive me if I'm repeating the question: Do you like what you're read? Do you think it's going to be a good movie?
ye and ye
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ye and ye
Great. I love the fact it's finally something different than a simple hunt. Predator franchise was cornered that way.
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 13, 2017, 04:15:18 PMIs your source the only leaker of the script? I've heard that numerous people have it and read it, did he pass the script out to all of them? If not he shouldn't have to worry about exposure.
Certainly they aren't the only one. But that doesn't mean I'm going to expose them to satisfy you, sorry. That's not how I work.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 13, 2017, 04:21:58 PM
For all I knew you were just someone taking the leaked script as golden when there's no real proof it is.
All I can say is that I have good reason to believe it is completely legit. In addition, so does anyone who's seen the script and followed the production - exact roles, character names, set locations, titles, minutiae all add up to it being identical to the script, give or take a few very minor details here and there.
On the slim chance we all got conned on multiple levels, though, hey - the movie will be that much more exciting.
Interesting, i just dont see how passing the script to others would
expose him if the script has already been leaked by other sources. And to be clear you dont have to apologise to or satisfy me as i dont really care. I like predator but im not a big enough fan to really follow the production closely like i have done with alien covenant.
I see the point that Masters is making.
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The thing that has always made the Predators such a unique and terrifying alien race is because they come here on safari.
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And many human characters in the comics, novels and games state that we're lucky that they only wish to hunt us and not conquer or go to war, that sort of insinuation makes them scary.
So seeing them become another alien race among the myriads of races that just want our Earth is kind of banal. I hope the execution is really unique and makes this stand out otherwise it'll just be another War of the Worlds, Independence Day build up. And if we beat them then it's just going to diminish the threat of these aliens and become another "humanity f**k yeah!" movie instead of one that reminds us that we're not at the top of the food chain on the cosmic scale.
Predators are terrifying because they're savage by choice, not necessity. I don't mind them using DNA to augment themselves, it's a cool concept and I can see why they'd do it and it certainly explains why they take their best kills to augment themselves with rather than going "ahh, that was such a good fight!" while gently caressing a skull on the wall lol.
I like almost everything I heard about the film, I'm just not 100% sure how to feel about the alien invasion and they need our Earth angle.
I know proximity can be an issue but there's literally 400 billion star systems and we've discovered lots of Earth like worlds in Goldillock's Zones, even the Trappis System has literally 9 Earth worlds and I think 3 of them are in habitable zones. There's an Earth like world orbiting Proxima Centauri.
And haven't the Predators found other life bearing worlds and won't need to worry about dealing with another sapient species like us? They can simply just terraform another world, it's easy to induce global warming, if we can do it, a primitive backwater species, surely an incredibly advanced alien race like them can - just pump a hell of a lot of carbon dioxide into the air or something (in other words, learn from us, the masters of pollution and climate change...)
Hell, they don't even need a new home, just go back to your homeworld and start inducing global warming. If you can build FTL ships, then global warming is literally child's play.
Huh? It hasn't been leaked by other sources. It is not out in the open. It's not like a ton of people have been given it. Someone could very well assume it was Maxx.
Lol. I remember when my friend gave the Scream 4 script to somebody he thought he could trust. It was on horror and Scream sites the following day.
"Prove it liar!" lol I think every person who has said they'd read a script to an unreleased film is going to PASS HARD on THAT.
Non sequitur - I hope the kid befriends a predator and cries when he leaves, just to see the reactions of the macho lovers. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 13, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Non sequitur - I hope the kid befriends a predator and cries when he leaves, just to see the reactions of the macho lovers. ;D ;D ;D
And then this happens.
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I understand part of the argument, but in fairness there is no attempt in the story to recreate the Predator in terms of action - it is still hunting, killing, taking trophies, executing clever strategy. Those fundamentals will never change regardless of any broader aims.
As for the question of where and why - again, it's a movie.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 13, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Non sequitur - I hope the kid befriends a predator and cries when he leaves, just to see the reactions of the macho lovers. ;D ;D ;D
Sorry, that I can deny.
It will be the greatest predator movie of all time mark my words boys and girls
That is an awful bold statement.
Yeah, I have a lot of faith in Black, but if this surpasses the original even I will be very surprised.
I mean who cares.
Seems like a lot of people here based on the arguments going on.
Some random guest says some random thing, and what.
Come on Bishop, do the thing with the knife. ;D
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 19, 2017, 10:32:22 PM
Some random guest says some random thing, and what.
Oh I see. Sorry. Thought you were aiming at someone else.