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Author Topic: There Are Some Places In The Universe You Don't Go Alone, Aliens 35th Anniversary Retrospective - AvP Galaxy Podcast #129  (Read 2673 times)

Kradan
Jul 26, 2021, 05:47:08 AM
Reply #60 on: Jul 26, 2021, 05:47:08 AM
Alien 3 was just boring.

Pure unadulterated heresy.

Yeah, burn him with fire  >:(

Regarding the horror issue - for me it goes like this :

Alien - horror

Aliens - action (with bits of horror)

Alien 3 - drama

And I'm OK with each movie being what it is. I agree with TQ that Aliens feels more "safe" compared to Alien and I agree with SiL that there ain't much horror in Alien 3

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Kimarhi
Jul 27, 2021, 02:18:02 AM
Reply #61 on: Jul 27, 2021, 02:18:02 AM
While I enjoy the Powerloader Ripley vs The Queen, it did feel very much like something to sport a ride at Universal Studios. For that reason it takes me out of the movie at moments.

I would've made the battle quicker and more violent.  When Ripley is slowly trying to punch or succeeding in punching the queen, it feels more like Godzilla vs spectacle than anything else.  Maybe have Ripley clamp onto the body and the head of the queen with the powerloader and then toppling into the airlock because in that same instant the alien disabled the hydraulics of the forklift or something with tail or acid blood or something.  Same result but without as much fanfare.  I'd also get rid of the Alien queen holding onto Ripley's foot in a vacuum.  The Queen should've been able to pluck Ripley off the ladder like a grown up human plucking a kitten from the couch.  The foot hold thing is my take me out of the movie moment. 



XenoHunter99
Jul 27, 2021, 03:11:48 AM
Reply #63 on: Jul 27, 2021, 03:11:48 AM
Rupley is badass no doubt about it. Its just I felt more of a connection with her PTSD self in earlier part of the film. I think he going Rambk works, but I just think we don’t see her horror over the hist lifecycle again till Alien3 (I mean the autopsy of Newt was disturbing).

Ripley made the most of minimal weapons training. She must have had more training earlier in life. Does two minutes of on-screen coaching magically inspire one to duck-tape two weapons together and go full-on Rambolina? It's a stretch. That aside, she seems a good person to have around in a crisis. Agreed about the PTSD! We'd all be horrified to learn we have deadly parasites growing inside us. And yes, Newt's autopsy is disturbing. That was effective movie-making. The first time you see it, I think there is the expectation that there might be something extra inside. Well played, Alien 3.  :)

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Local Trouble
Jul 27, 2021, 03:23:25 AM
Reply #64 on: Jul 27, 2021, 03:23:25 AM
Ripley made the most of minimal weapons training. She must have had more training earlier in life.

As a commercial flight officer, Ripley was technically proficient and may have had basic training with certain small arms (like the laser pistols that they had on the Nostromo).  She also knew how to operate Parker's flamethrower without anyone showing her how (that we saw).

Does two minutes of on-screen coaching magically inspire one to duck-tape two weapons together and go full-on Rambolina?

Necessity is the mother of invention.  One of Ripley's more admirable qualities is that she's so resourceful in a crisis.


Prez
Jul 27, 2021, 07:18:16 AM
Reply #65 on: Jul 27, 2021, 07:18:16 AM
Ripley made the most of minimal weapons training. She must have had more training earlier in life.

As a commercial flight officer, Ripley was technically proficient and may have had basic training with certain small arms (like the laser pistols that they had on the Nostromo).  She also knew how to operate Parker's flamethrower without anyone showing her how (that we saw).

Does two minutes of on-screen coaching magically inspire one to duck-tape two weapons together and go full-on Rambolina?

Necessity is the mother of invention.  One of Ripley's more admirable qualities is that she's so resourceful in a crisis.

Exactly. The same ingenuity she displayed in the first film. Strapping herself in, grabbing a grappling hook gun and then drawing the beast out (via experimentation with gas emissions) so she could blast it out the airlock.



Kradan
Jul 27, 2021, 03:25:57 PM
Reply #67 on: Jul 27, 2021, 03:25:57 PM
Ripley made the most of minimal weapons training. She must have had more training earlier in life.

As a commercial flight officer, Ripley was technically proficient and may have had basic training with certain small arms (like the laser pistols that they had on the Nostromo).  She also knew how to operate Parker's flamethrower without anyone showing her how (that we saw).

Never made that connection myself. Good call !



Huggs
Jul 27, 2021, 11:17:28 PM
Reply #68 on: Jul 27, 2021, 11:17:28 PM
If the cattle prod had to be explained, odds are parker's "rigged" incinerator units were explained to the crew off-screen.


Kimarhi
Jul 28, 2021, 03:49:32 AM
Reply #69 on: Jul 28, 2021, 03:49:32 AM
People are also assuming that she wasn't familiar with weapons before hand.


I was shooting rifles and shotguns before I was ten years old.  It's not that uncommon for people from the States to be well versed in the subject without having law enforcement or military training. 

It isn't really like she moved militarily, she just pointed in the right direction and got one in OPS, and then went full mom mode in the hive.  I honestly have less problem with that aspect than most people do.  Because what she did isn't hard.  Of all the things you could face militarily an 8' tall enemy that rushes right at you is  probably the one you want after you.  It's a big target.  What it does if it catches you is horrific yes, but until it gets there that advantage is yours.

Moving tactically is harder than basic marksmanship.


SiL
Jul 28, 2021, 04:36:51 AM
Reply #70 on: Jul 28, 2021, 04:36:51 AM
Ripley is the definition of spray and pray in ALIENS.


Kimarhi
Jul 30, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
Reply #71 on: Jul 30, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
I actually liked that it showed her suffering the recoil in the ops battle.  The fact she was falling away as she pulled the trigger showed that she had in no way mastered the weapon. 



SiL
Jul 30, 2021, 03:33:05 AM
Reply #72 on: Jul 30, 2021, 03:33:05 AM
It's a nice touch. And even later when she knows what to expect, you can tell she's struggling to keep it in place.


 

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