Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
Spoiler
- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
It is unintelligible
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
Spoiler
- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
Steve and not Quinn? I know Boyd mentioned in an interview recently his name was Quinn, maybe it's another early draft, I'm still not gonna hate on the movie and wait to judge it when I see it first
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God... help us haha...
The horror, the horror...
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
Spoiler
- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
Got a link?
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Spoiler
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
We've heard something about this. Could you drop me an PM with the details to see if they match up?
lol I'll not be passing any judgement yet. If that's legit, there are a couple of things I like
Predator dogs
Area 52 (almost a nod to AvP classic )
And there are things I really don't like
Three legged predators.
But saying that. It's all in the execution. Plus we know very little about the species so why not all these strange ideas.
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
Spoiler
- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
Thanks for sharing! Every aspect described sure sounds "radical" and unconventional for a Predator film, but I love the fact that they're going crazy with it and taking the franchise to uncharted territory. Definitely fresh and bold. Existing fans will understably have good reason to be nervous about this, but I foresee it attracting a new generation of supporters.
This could very well be based on an earlier version of the script
Spoiler
judging alone by the names "Steve" and "Robie"
, but I'm all for it. Let's all support Shane, or at least try!!
Oh, and please, could we all use the spoiler tags if we're referencing key details of this latest plot description? Thanks!
I'm open to it. It's all in the execution.
Oops. Sorry didn't think to use spoiler tags.
I just tried to fix it but can't do it. Could a Mod sort that for me.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
Spoiler
- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
Got a link?
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Spoiler
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
We've heard something about this. Could you drop me an PM with the details to see if they match up?
Haven't read it, never will. I want to be surprised and discover it all when i see the film. But, does this sound legit to you?
If so, PLEASE make a separate thread about the story for further discussions, i will never visit that.
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:59:12 AM
I'm open to it. It's all in the execution.
That's right. Let's not forget we've got Shane and Larry at the helm.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 23, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
Spoiler
- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
Got a link?
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Spoiler
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
We've heard something about this. Could you drop me an PM with the details to see if they match up?
Haven't read it, never will. I want to be surprised and discover it all when i see the film. But, does this sound legit to you?
If so, PLEASE make a separate thread about the story for further discussions, i will never visit that.
Can the mods split this from this thread?
Most sounds legit yeah. I guess it just depends if people want to believe some of the stuff in it is true or not until it's confirmed.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 23, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
Spoiler
- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
Got a link?
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Spoiler
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
We've heard something about this. Could you drop me an PM with the details to see if they match up?
Haven't read it, never will. I want to be surprised and discover it all when i see the film. But, does this sound legit to you?
If so, PLEASE make a separate thread about the story for further discussions, i will never visit that.
In style of Rodriguez 1994 script, whit some tones of pre-Predator original ideas.
In style of Rodriguez 1994 script, whit some tones of pre-Predator original ideas.
Spoiler
Spider 3 legs Predator
,I won't take it true script yet but reading it still.....
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BwjLcqImG2E/VNMaCCPw-vI/AAAAAAAABXc/dG8L1fZupOg/w260-h146/fsnyd%2B%25281%2529.gif)
Quote from: Lotus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:16:31 PM
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Spider 3 legs Predator
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Lol that sounds weird from the way it's described, yes! I'll just see them as a spider-like alien creature used by predators to hunt. Doesn't mean they'll have mandibles or predator DNA.
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Cool.
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I really hope it's not true, with legion of captured Preds and Predator--Engineer. Seriously every cool alien has to be human variation?
I just want to know one thing, if it's even included in the synopsis:
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Is the Predator 2.0 version created by humans?
If someone could answer me that (without further details), would be very nice.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 12:31:33 PM
Cool.
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I really hope it's not true, with legion of captured Preds and Predator--Engineer. Seriously every cool alien has to be human variation?
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now that you mentioned it, Upgrade does sound like a Predator Engineer. I got reminded of Lockdown from Transformers
What are your thoughts on Predators collecting human DNA for genetic enhancement?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 23, 2017, 12:36:06 PM
I just want to know one thing, if it's even included in the synopsis:
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Is the Predator 2.0 version created by humans?
If someone could answer me that (without further details), would be very nice.
No, but I can direct you to another franchise for an idea of what it sounds like to us
Read ahead Johnny
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Predator 2.0 seems to 'feed' on human DNA , but is not created by human.
@Von
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I don't like it. It's Super Predator all over again. I'm also not fond of making Predator an invasion franchise. Seriously we've got like 1000 alien invasion feanchise and one Predator. Why change something unique into main stream pulp?[/spoiler
If it is legitimate, it's likely from the same source that Splash Report's details came from so it's likely an older draft.
I kinda like the idea the predator plays dead and wakes up inside the hidden human facility.
Seems ok to me for now.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
@Von
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I don't like it. It's Super Predator all over again. I'm also not fond of making Predator an invasion franchise. Seriously we've got like 1000 alien invasion feanchise and one Predator. Why change something unique into main stream pulp?
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To me, it answers the question of why they keep returning to Earth to hunt. I hear you about the invasion aspect, and you've got a point. I just hope this film will spawn even more films. I really want to see one based on Bad Blood. There are elements of it in the latest leaked synopsis though.
So can we leave out the spoiler tags now that a separate thread has been made?
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Potential script overview from a source that said he had a source. I know nothing of it so it could all be false but it's worth a read anyway. Mods feel free to delete if it causes any problems.
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- Steve McKenna and his US special forces squad are in Cuba with orders to eliminate some drug
lord and free the hostages. Suddenly an escape pod falls from the skies. The squad finds and
unconscious Predator there and McKenna quickly expropriates helmet and weapon as evidence of an
alien contact. They see a CIA chopper headin' to their location, McKenna runs away. Predator's
up and kills USSF men then gets cought by CIA. McKenna mails the items to his storage cell
right before gettin' cought as well. Because McKenna didn't pay for the storage the items are
sent to the adress... where we meet his ex-wife and autistic son Robie. Of course little fella
is a linguistic genius and bein' bullied at school.
- Casey (Munn's scientist character) is sent to a secret CIA base where Predator's held
captive. While studying Predator's biology she learns that he was easily caught and that the
base stores a lot of alien weaponry (from previous movies). Too late tho.
- Meanwhile... McKenna is bein' transported to a madhouse with six other ex-soldiers via bus
when guards are ordered to deliver him to the very same "secret" base for more questioning
(what the hell?). They arrive just in time for the Predator's break out and McKenna uses the
moment to escape. With the support of other prisoners he rescues Casey and they all make it to
the chopper ("get to the chopper" line drop).
- Meanwhile... Robie examines the items, "hacks" them and learn alien language. This starts a
chain of events which resulted in another Predator comin' to Earth (he's called "Upgrade" in
the script). He's three meters tall and looks more like humna than classic Predators. He needs
an those items.
- McKenna & co make it to his son just in time to save him from both Predators.
- When Upgrade and runaway Predator first meet face to face the tall one kills the other with one blow.
- Upgrade is some kind of an intergalactic assassin. His task is to kill dissident Predators
who are hiding on Earth in Area 52 and work for the organization which protects it from aliens
(umm... seriously?).
- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure). McKenna
& co fly ahead and after a brief exposition get explained that there's urgent need to bring the
rest of dissident Predators to the very same ship. From there they use cars for transportation
(movie logic).
What to expect:
- Robi puts on Predator's mask / shoulder canon and decides to walk the the streets in the midst of Halloween. He stumbles on school bullies, one of them throws an apple at him which Predator tech automatically perceive as an attack... with corresponding consequences.
- Yes, it's a Halloween movie instead of Black's usual Christmas Eve.
- More Predator dogs. One of them gets an "accidental lobotomy", becomes friendly, helps the heroes and overall very cute (because we gotta sell toys).
- Obligatory "Robie drivin' the alien ship" scenes.
- Predator-kidnapper
- Predator is forced to use a machine gun (unmade AvP movie reference).
- Lots of references, line drops and easter eggs.
- Predators actually take spinal cord to collect human DNA and inject it into themselves in order to become stronger (because hunting trophies is sooo last century, right?)
- There's a Dutch cameo but the scene can be easy cut from the story and the character can be easily replaced with Glover's or Baldwin's characters from P2.
Good lord why.
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f**k. Fans of these franchise just cant have a break.
Its like we have been trapped in a losing simulator since 2004.
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Lol that sounds weird from the way it's described, yes! I'll just see them as a spider-like alien creature used by predators to hunt. Doesn't mean they'll have mandibles or predator DNA.
Anytime.
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It's an overview of the April 2016 version of the script (133 pages), so they had half a year to edit it in some way (if at all).
so basically.. the film is just
PREDATOR WRESTLEMANIA 2018!11
sure.. why not. Looking forward to it. :laugh:
Wow....just when I thought the 4 armed-Goro looking predator from the Predators comic was stupid, this just took that to a whole new level of off the rails. No wonder no respectable mainstream actor will touch this thing! And, you guys keep assuming this is an old script and they will fix it, but remember that Predators early script leak was 90% true.
Quote from: walker31 on Feb 23, 2017, 03:24:18 PM
Wow....just when I thought the 4 armed-Goro looking predator from the Predators comic was stupid, this just took that to a whole new level of off the rails. No wonder no respectable mainstream actor will touch this thing! And, you guys keep assuming this is an old script and they will fix it, but remember that Predators early script leak was 90% true.
The actors that are in this film are mainstream actors, Holbrook is becoming a star now.....Narcos, Logan and now the lead in The Predator. Who cares if Affleck, Hardy or the Rock aren't in it, doesn't mean it can't be a blockbuster or a really good movie.
I have a feeling we're gonna be really surprised by what they have going on
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It looks that insted of film about Predator recovering his tech will get some crazy ass invasion movie, with dozens of captured Predators and Predator Engineer ::)
It's too worse not to be true.
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 23, 2017, 01:15:58 PM
It's an overview of the April 2016 version of the script (133 pages), so they had half a year to edit it in some way (if at all).
Thanks. Glad we've got that specific date. I know there's a couple of drafts of this knocking around.
Do we know the budget for this?
This plot breakdown makes it sound like it'll be around 90million$
The ideas sound that far out that it has potential, as an alien/sci-fi movie anyway. As a Predator movie we'll have to wait and see...
Who knows if some parts are even true/still in there.
Quote from: skhellter on Feb 23, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
Do we know the budget for this?
I don't think we've had any comments on that yet.
80-90 million seems fair.. if they were really going for A-List talent at one point.
And taking weird/crazy ideas and making solid films out of them is Shane Black's whole thing.
Should be an interesting watch, at least. :D
Holy hell, I read this and I love it. This actually sounds great. And 3 legged Predator is not that strange considering he's supposedly in a chamber in Area 51 with the rest of "mutant aliens". There's people with 3 legs, why not Predators? It's a defect.
Now I'm sad I read this because I still want to be surprised.
You seriously love it?
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 04:29:12 PM
You seriously love it?
Yes! By the looks of it, this is exactly what I wanted. I even wrote about it long ago that I want a Predator movie where he's captured and he escapes the facility. It's somewhere in my post history, I should sue Shane if this is true. But yea, if this is true, it has a lot of different things going for it, all of them new, different, unique and interesting. I can't wait to see Predators in these scenarios.
Though I am a bit sad now I possibly ruined a lot of surprises. But this sounds great. And this is coming from a hardcore Predator fan, I don't think anyone here loves the original as much as I do.
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 23, 2017, 11:52:33 AM
lol I'll not be passing any judgement yet. If that's legit, there are a couple of things I like
Predator dogs
Area 52 (almost a nod to AvP classic )
And there are things I really don't like
Three legged predators.
But saying that. It's all in the execution. Plus we know very little about the species so why not all these strange ideas.
Curious. I'd love to see how that works.
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Or maybe that's where the genetic modification comes in?
Feeling even stronger Concrete Jungle and Bad Blood vibes now. A great thing! Let's see how all these will be executed!
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
I hope the predator spider hybrids don't use tech. :laugh:
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
Those concepts are... interesting. But when they're worded like they are, it just makes them sound ridiculous, I know.
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Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
I hope the predator spider hybrids don't use tech. :laugh:
As long as it's not one brainless cgi fest. Pretty sure it won't be though!
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
We don't know the backstory of those spider hybrids. Maybe another captured Predator who was experimented upon, maybe a genetic defect (there are people born with 3 legs). Somehow I don't think that particular "hybrid" is out there causing problems, more like a freak of nature even Predators want to get rid of. If it's even true.
Sucking DNA to become more human? Didn't it say to become stronger? Again, we don't know the details yet, maybe it makes some sort of sense. Even like this "They take spines to do xyz with them to become stronger" is something I can accept, although just hunting for the sake of hunting sounds more badass. Maybe they incorporated both into the same thing and it works.
As for the kid using Pred tech, I actually love that scene from what we could read. And it's not like he's using it, it says it automatically responded to a threat.
Combine all this above with a captured Predator who breaks out, another Predator who's hunting that Predator?, army, private sector, and a child, it all adds up to a movie full of all sorts of events and opportunities for extremely fun scenes, something we haven't seen in a Predator movie yet. Let's be honest, so far all Predators did was kill people and aliens. This time something's happening that Predators are caught up in, like they accidentally found themselves in all this mess and we get to see what becomes of it. I can't wait.
Quote from: von on Feb 23, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
Those concepts are... interesting. But when they're worded like they are, it just makes them sound ridiculous, I know.
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Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
I hope the predator spider hybrids don't use tech. :laugh:
As long as it's not one brainless cgi fest. Pretty sure it won't be though!
I'm sure it won't either. I was just making a crack on the early ideas of the Predalien using Predator technology.
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Quote from: von on Feb 23, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
Those concepts are... interesting. But when they're worded like they are, it just makes them sound ridiculous, I know.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 23, 2017, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
What about the dumb stuff, like predator spider hybrids, like sucking DNA to become more human and... better predator? Kid using pred tech?
I hope the predator spider hybrids don't use tech. :laugh:
As long as it's not one brainless cgi fest. Pretty sure it won't be though!
I'm sure it won't either. I was just making a crack on the early ideas of the Predalien using Predator technology.
Oh god I remember that
Like I said before, even if this movie is not good it will still be very fun and entertaining.
Glad you like it , for me it still sounds like crap and I hope script was revised and severely rewritten. I'd like it to be more grounded, adult s-f and less, I don't know , Power Rangers?
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Glad you like it , for me it still sounds like crap and I hope script was revised and severely rewritten. I'd like it to be more grounded, adult s-f and less, I don't know , Power Rangers?
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
lol. injecting! we've seen them inject themselves in P1 & P2 :D
Quote from: KillCrites on Feb 23, 2017, 05:58:29 PM
Like I said before, even if this movie is not good it will still be very fun and entertaining.
If it's fun and entertaining then that's good right. In a sense. Are you meaning not a good predator movie ?
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Glad you like it , for me it still sounds like crap and I hope script was revised and severely rewritten. I'd like it to be more grounded, adult s-f and less, I don't know , Power Rangers?
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
Who said "sucking"?
Overthere... it's best to just.. ignore a few people.
I did. I makes as much sense as injecting with... God help me... alien DNA (of clearly inferior creature) to become stronger. I'm MD I know a thing or two about science and you wouldn't believe how such dumb pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo pisses me off. Especially when it's about to become a part of franchise that was grounded firmly in reality.
Quote from: skhellter on Feb 23, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
Overthere... it's best to just.. ignore a few people.
Why? Because I don't agree with you? Adult approach :-*
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:44:49 PM
I did. I makes as much sense as injecting with... God help me... alien DNA (of clearly inferior creature) to become stronger. I'm MD I know a thing or two about science and you wouldn't believe how such dumb pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo pisses me off. Especially when it's about to become a part of franchise that was grounded firmly in reality.
No, man, Predator was NEVER grounded in reality. And you don't even know the full story of what exactly is the spine doing, if anything. Technically, we eat meat to get stronger...you know...protein... It's plausible.
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Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:44:49 PM
I did. I makes as much sense as injecting with... God help me... alien DNA (of clearly inferior creature) to become stronger. I'm MD I know a thing or two about science and you wouldn't believe how such dumb pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo pisses me off. Especially when it's about to become a part of franchise that was grounded firmly in reality.
No, man, Predator was NEVER grounded in reality. And you don't even know the full story of what exactly is the spine doing, if anything. Technically, we eat meat to get stronger...you know...protein... It's plausible.
We don't?
No it's not.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:49:33 PM
We don't?
No it's not.
Let me rephrase that. First of all, we don't know if it's even true that they're doing the "they use spine for xyz to make them stronger". If that turns out true, it's not too far fetched, depending on what they do with it and how they approach it. Worst case scenario, that detail is something you frown upon. Regardless, the movie seems to be packed with all sorts of material. I'm excited.
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Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:44:49 PM
I did. I makes as much sense as injecting with... God help me... alien DNA (of clearly inferior creature) to become stronger. I'm MD I know a thing or two about science and you wouldn't believe how such dumb pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo pisses me off. Especially when it's about to become a part of franchise that was grounded firmly in reality.
No, man, Predator was NEVER grounded in reality. And you don't even know the full story of what exactly is the spine doing, if anything. Technically, we eat meat to get stronger...you know...protein... It's plausible.
We don't?
No it's not.
This species far exceed us scientifically so I can and will suspend belief that the can come up with genetic sciences we will not understand.
As long as they don't say bull about elements on the periodic table like Predator 2 did I'm fine.
Except it is farfetched . Sorry I don't want to argue or pretending to be smartass, I don't know what you are doing for living, but from.my perspective It's as dumb as humanly possible.
I'm not dissing the cast or the base plot, just those things that look like parody of Predator.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:59:17 PM
Except it is farfetched . Sorry I don't want to argue or pretending to be smartass, I don't know what you are doing for living, but from.my perspective It's as dumb as humanly possible.
I'm not dissing the cast or the base plot, just those things that look like parody of Predator.
No that's fine dude. It's your opinion.
I just think that we know zero about their biology and their science so I can't says it's dumb. I need to hear the explaination in film before I get annoyed by the idea. It's all in execution.
It is. That's true, but it's walking on very thin ice. Still the perpous remains. Why would Predator use genetic therapy to become more like human? Clearly physically inferior and less advanced species. Why go with Predator the Engineer route?
it's a silly comic-booky concept for a franchise that is about space
lizard-men dressed in loinclothes that fly around space looking for planets with
lots of idiots to kill.
This franchise was never hard-scifi. ::)
Dont care if it plays fast and loose with real science as long as it delivers on the grittyness, horror and good action.
Also, they need to keep the banter fierce and the one liners coming.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Glad you like it , for me it still sounds like crap and I hope script was revised and severely rewritten. I'd like it to be more grounded, adult s-f and less, I don't know , Power Rangers?
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
Next that will be a gay Predator given the turn that things are taking...
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Is there really any need to take a dig at that? No.
This movie is riling up the machismo-lover sector of the fanbase, and I couldn't be more happy about that.
I hope Tremblay tells the Predator "you're my best friend." If he does that I'll buy out a whole showing, and purchase The Nice Guys on Amazon 20 times.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 07:45:03 PM
Is there really any need to take a dig at that? No.
That's just speculation, we are the good guys here! ;D
It is simple really, some fans are more open than other. Some like me apprehend a lot to be one more time disappointed, left behind. And I guess we are also a little pissed off to see that, overall today, people are less and less exigent, hard to please. And those behaviors often lead to a more violent behavior, the one coming from upstairs, the director, the scriptwriter who are becoming more laxist, more permissive and ultimately less invested in their work.
Maybe, and I hope, in this case with The Predator, I am wrong. We'll see. But I think it is legitimate to be worry.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 07:48:10 PM
This movie is riling up the machismo-lover sector of the fanbase, and I couldn't be more happy about that.
I hope Tremblay tells the Predator "you're my best friend." If he does that I'll buy out a whole showing, and purchase The Nice Guys on Amazon 20 times.
That is no very constructive either! ;D
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 07:19:16 PM
It is. That's true, but it's walking on very thin ice. Still the perpous remains. Why would Predator use genetic therapy to become more like human? Clearly physically inferior and less advanced species. Why go with Predator the Engineer route?
I agree with that sentiment. Trying to be more human sounds a bit off. I don't like that but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. This script leak could be all interperated wrong. We are getting third hand info here.
Let's be optimistic and patient.
Prefere to be cautious. I've been there, done that. Predators script had similar stupidity and it was removed in final draft. I admitt that some things that sound stupid as hell (predator dogs, falcon) were of the best parts, yet none of them came even close to kid in predator mask piloting alien ship.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 07:48:10 PM
This movie is riling up the machismo-lover sector of the fanbase, and I couldn't be more happy about that.
I hope Tremblay tells the Predator "you're my best friend." If he does that I'll buy out a whole showing, and purchase The Nice Guys on Amazon 20 times.
You just lost your credibility forever. :laugh:
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 07:48:10 PM
This movie is riling up the machismo-lover sector of the fanbase, and I couldn't be more happy about that.
I hope Tremblay tells the Predator "you're my best friend." If he does that I'll buy out a whole showing, and purchase The Nice Guys on Amazon 20 times.
😂
A truly abysmal plot:
- An Inhenced upgrade predator kills a "regular"one with one blow... again trying to downgrade the old school predators
- f**kin kid decoding predator language when even scientists cannot
- predators extracting human DNA from spines ? What for? They are far more advanced than humans anyway...
I knew Dekker would f**k up but this too much garbage even by his low standards
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 23, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
A truly abysmal plot:
- An Inhenced upgrade predator kills a "regular"one with one blow... again trying to downgrade the old school predators
- f**kin kid decoding predator language when even scientists cannot
- predators extracting human DNA from spines ? What for? They are far more advanced than humans anyway...
I knew Dekker would f**k up but this too much garbage even by his low standards
Might not be the plot dude. Not confirmed may be false
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Quote from: predator88 on Feb 23, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
A truly abysmal plot:
- An Inhenced upgrade predator kills a "regular"one with one blow... again trying to downgrade the old school predators
- f**kin kid decoding predator language when even scientists cannot
- predators extracting human DNA from spines ? What for? They are far more advanced than humans anyway...
I knew Dekker would f**k up but this too much garbage even by his low standards
Might not be the plot dude. Not confirmed may be false
It was somehow confirmed when Fox asked to the blogger to remove his spoilers.
I think overall plot is what we've got. What migt change are detiles but all in all, yep that's the gig.
Still think the details are wrapped by Chinese whispers. Like I have said. It's third hand info.
This sounds like a whacky buddy comedy McBride and Franco and co would be in.
'Shit, running from the CIA! Better stop and mail this parcel to my storage locker! Woops, forgot to pay my bills! Now my kid has it! How whacky!'
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Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 23, 2017, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Feb 23, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
A truly abysmal plot:
- An Inhenced upgrade predator kills a "regular"one with one blow... again trying to downgrade the old school predators
- f**kin kid decoding predator language when even scientists cannot
- predators extracting human DNA from spines ? What for? They are far more advanced than humans anyway...
I knew Dekker would f**k up but this too much garbage even by his low standards
Might not be the plot dude. Not confirmed may be false
It was somehow confirmed when Fox asked to the blogger to remove his spoilers.
Could of been taking down for misinformation.
It never happened yet, to my knowledge
This is insane. We're arguing over a plot that's not even confirmed, and even if it is, we don't know the details that can make or break the whole thing. Everything can sound stupid when shortened in a few lines.
But I'm afraid that because of fans like you, Predator is doomed to forever be a one trick pony. Any sort of innovation is immediately shunned, and then when basically a remake is made we cry how it's always the same. I'd rather take a new but shitty idea than see another same old Predator movie with different actors.
Fans don't have that power. Fans don't have a say. Thankfully.
Shane and Fox wield the power muahahahaha.
Quote from: overthere on Feb 23, 2017, 10:22:10 PM
I'd rather take a new but shitty idea than see another same old Predator movie with different actors.
Predator 2 was quite diffferent from the original and it respected the spirit, so we disagree.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 23, 2017, 10:02:30 PM
It never happened yet, to my knowledge
They took down a false rumour about Ripley's mother being in the new Alien film.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Glad you like it , for me it still sounds like crap and I hope script was revised and severely rewritten. I'd like it to be more grounded, adult s-f and less, I don't know , Power Rangers?
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
At this point I really wouldn't be surprised. :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 23, 2017, 10:02:30 PM
It never happened yet, to my knowledge
They took down a false rumour about Ripley's mother being in the new Alien film.
Reputable sources acknowledged the spoilers concerning predator anyway.
If this is a legit overview of the script then..
Spoiler
I generally like it. There are some nice ideas in there. Really like some of the scenes described like Tremblay's character wearing the Predator mask and shoulder cannon during Halloween and walking down the street, then the shoulder cannon destroying a projectile.
Also like the idea of the "bounty hunter"/assassin Predator coming later in the movie. Think the scene where the first Predator escapes from the facility could be fun too.
I would have liked a different angle overall, this feels like echoes of AvPR, but I trust Shane Black. The fact he has very early on said it will be R rated is a positive, I think he's just as much a fan as all of us.
Quote from: bacchus on Mar 01, 2017, 06:33:16 AM
If this is a legit overview of the script then..
Spoiler
I generally like it. There are some nice ideas in there. Really like some of the scenes described like Tremblay's character wearing the Predator mask and shoulder cannon during Halloween and walking down the street, then the shoulder cannon destroying a projectile.
Also like the idea of the "bounty hunter"/assassin Predator coming later in the movie. Think the scene where the first Predator escapes from the facility could be fun too.
I would have liked a different angle overall, this feels like echoes of AvPR, but I trust Shane Black. The fact he has very early on said it will be R rated is a positive, I think he's just as much a fan as all of us.
The R rating shouldn't be a reward nor discussed, the fact that they use this R rating confirmation like this is silly.It started with AVPR when they used that during pre production, "we heard you fans, it's gona be R" .These idiots shouldn't have made a PG13 movie in the first place.When they confirm it's R It's just normal, it shouldn't be confirmed, it should be natural.If the plot is silly I couldn't care less if it's R.AVPR was hard R and sucked.
Tell me " the kid might not make it " and i'll say allright, you got some balls.It could also end up being soft R a la Terminator 3.
I wouldn't say it is a spoiler more of less him telling us what the movie is about and yeah that could come off as a spoiler but I think different.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Mar 01, 2017, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: bacchus on Mar 01, 2017, 06:33:16 AM
If this is a legit overview of the script then..
Spoiler
I generally like it. There are some nice ideas in there. Really like some of the scenes described like Tremblay's character wearing the Predator mask and shoulder cannon during Halloween and walking down the street, then the shoulder cannon destroying a projectile.
Also like the idea of the "bounty hunter"/assassin Predator coming later in the movie. Think the scene where the first Predator escapes from the facility could be fun too.
I would have liked a different angle overall, this feels like echoes of AvPR, but I trust Shane Black. The fact he has very early on said it will be R rated is a positive, I think he's just as much a fan as all of us.
The R rating shouldn't be a reward nor discussed, the fact that they use this R rating confirmation like this is silly.It started with AVPR when they used that during pre production, "we heard you fans, it's gona be R" .These idiots shouldn't have made a PG13 movie in the first place.When they confirm it's R It's just normal, it shouldn't be confirmed, it should be natural.If the plot is silly I couldn't care less if it's R.AVPR was hard R and sucked.
Tell me " the kid might not make it " and i'll say allright, you got some balls.It could also end up being soft R a la Terminator 3.
Exactly I remember when AvPR's first red band trailer arrived me and my friends were super hyped because it looked brutal and entertaining.Everyone's hopes went high and at the end it turned out to be shit just like the first one: the characters were crappy, the aliens were reduced to stupid bugs,the film was extremely poorly lit and you couldn't tell what the f**k was going on and so on...Only the Wolf predator was good even if its design was far from the original's quality at least it was a huge improvement over the fatsos we got in AvP.
Predators was rated R and there was hardly any blood/gore in it. This will probably be the same.
Quote from: Keith on Mar 02, 2017, 01:37:56 AM
Predators was rated R and there was hardly any blood/gore in it. This will probably be the same.
Predator was pretty gory.
Indeed.
Predators had that super dark red CGI blood.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 02, 2017, 04:53:27 AM
Predators had that super dark red CGI blood.
It wasn't good.
I don't like it at all. I hate the ideas of rogue Preds working with the government, and Preds hunting in order to obtain DNA and inject it into themselves. Neither of these fits with the existing Predator mythos.
Got this compiled with the rest of the unconfirmed leaks.
http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9040585/ (http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9040585/)
Looks possible. Good find Grey Goose!
this sounds seven kinds of horrible. can only hope this is nothing at all to do with being the real script, Shane is a very competent and inventive writer so coming up with something like this would indicate he's had some sort of severe head trauma, IMO.
Its like AvP but instead of Aliens they added more dumb.
Gotta be fake.
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Mar 03, 2017, 03:25:02 PM
Its like AvP but instead of Aliens they added more dumb.
Gotta be fake.
I wish
You guys can not be seriously comparing this crap to AVP. The worst thing you can say about AVP is a short team- up between a human and a predator. Now compare that to all the shit in this script. Predators working for the government?! Spider- predators? Friendly Predator dog? And of course ANOTHER super predator to make the classic look obsolete. If this turns out to be real, AVP is going to look like a masterpiece in comparison.
Quote from: EJA on Mar 02, 2017, 04:12:53 PM
I don't like it at all. I hate the ideas of rogue Preds working with the government and Preds hunting in order to obtain DNA and inject it into themselves. Neither of these fits with the existing Predator mythos.
I seriously hope that's not in the final movie. I think that's bending the rules to much.
And everybody's worried about a ten foot predator. Ha!
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 03, 2017, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: EJA on Mar 02, 2017, 04:12:53 PM
I don't like it at all. I hate the ideas of rogue Preds working with the government and Preds hunting in order to obtain DNA and inject it into themselves. Neither of these fits with the existing Predator mythos.
I seriously hope that's not in the final movie. I think that's bending the rules to much.
And everybody's worried about a ten foot predator. Ha!
Sadly it's true...
Look, I'm all for new ideas and change, but sometimes you have to call out a bad idea for being a bad idea.
And the above is a really bad idea.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Mar 03, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
You guys can not be seriously comparing this crap to AVP. The worst thing you can say about AVP is a short team- up between a human and a predator. Now compare that to all the shit in this script. Predators working for the government?! Spider- predators? Friendly Predator dog? And of course ANOTHER super predator to make the classic look obsolete. If this turns out to be real, AVP is going to look like a masterpiece in comparison.
I disagree. Maybe some members of the Predator species do not want to hunt, maybe they're tortured and in constant fear from the always hunting ones, something like outcasts. They're obviously intelligent, so why couldn't an individual Predator decide not to hunt but instead help his odds by helping humans?
You guys are too set in your ways. We know absolutely nothing about Predators except we saw few of them hunt. Anything's possible. Just because it doesn't fit in your comic book goggles doesn't mean it's stupid.
I see absolutely nothing stupid about a Predator dog being trained not to kill humans, experimented upon Predators who are deformed, etc. These things are very much possible in Predator world.
Of course. It's entirely possible there are Predator clowns out there, but do we want to see them juggle? Gay Prefator are also in the realm of possibility, but do we want to see them make out? Same goes with three-legged squint Predators with mild retardation, possible nonetheless.
Seriously, stop defending outright stupid ideas. Predator retrieving his tech is cool and it's fine story to follow, but we don't need this cheesy and dumb stuff.
Quote from: Master on Mar 04, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Of course. It's entirely possible there are Predator clowns out there, but do we want to see them juggle? Gay Prefator are also in the realm of possibility, but do we want to see them make out? Same goes with three-legged squint Predators with mild retardation, possible nonetheless.
Seriously, stop defending outright stupid ideas. Predator retrieving his tech is cool and it's fine story to follow, but we don't need this cheesy and dumb stuff.
So basically, anything but a Predator on a killing spree is cheesy. Sure, let's make another slasher movie and add nothing to the universe in which they belong.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 04, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Mar 03, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
You guys can not be seriously comparing this crap to AVP. The worst thing you can say about AVP is a short team- up between a human and a predator. Now compare that to all the shit in this script. Predators working for the government?! Spider- predators? Friendly Predator dog? And of course ANOTHER super predator to make the classic look obsolete. If this turns out to be real, AVP is going to look like a masterpiece in comparison.
I disagree. Maybe some members of the Predator species do not want to hunt, maybe they're tortured and in constant fear from the always hunting ones, something like outcasts. They're obviously intelligent, so why couldn't an individual Predator decide not to hunt but instead help his odds by helping humans?
You guys are too set in your ways. We know absolutely nothing about Predators except we saw few of them hunt. Anything's possible. Just because it doesn't fit in your comic book goggles doesn't mean it's stupid.
I see absolutely nothing stupid about a Predator dog being trained not to kill humans, experimented upon Predators who are deformed, etc. These things are very much possible in Predator world.
I respect that you're enthusiastic about the movie, but people can have different opinions than you. I don't have to like the ideas this film has, and I don't like Predators working for the government.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 04, 2017, 12:50:43 AM
Quote from: overthere on Mar 04, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Mar 03, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
You guys can not be seriously comparing this crap to AVP. The worst thing you can say about AVP is a short team- up between a human and a predator. Now compare that to all the shit in this script. Predators working for the government?! Spider- predators? Friendly Predator dog? And of course ANOTHER super predator to make the classic look obsolete. If this turns out to be real, AVP is going to look like a masterpiece in comparison.
I disagree. Maybe some members of the Predator species do not want to hunt, maybe they're tortured and in constant fear from the always hunting ones, something like outcasts. They're obviously intelligent, so why couldn't an individual Predator decide not to hunt but instead help his odds by helping humans?
You guys are too set in your ways. We know absolutely nothing about Predators except we saw few of them hunt. Anything's possible. Just because it doesn't fit in your comic book goggles doesn't mean it's stupid.
I see absolutely nothing stupid about a Predator dog being trained not to kill humans, experimented upon Predators who are deformed, etc. These things are very much possible in Predator world.
I respect that you're enthusiastic about the movie, but people can have different opinions than you. I don't have to like the ideas this film has, and I don't like Predators working for the government.
And he probably respects that you're unenthusiastic about the movie. He's respectfully saying he disagrees.
Overthere, I am in intense agreement with you. Fans are incredibly obdurate and do not want their lore compromised. But there barely is any lore(film-wise). We get the rudiments; they are hunters that live by a simple code, but what else? Show us some new tricks.
Films like The Terminator and Predator are good, intimate suspense pieces, but you can't replicate that going forward. You have to expand. T2 got the memo, and the Predator franchise is just getting it now.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 04, 2017, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: Master on Mar 04, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Of course. It's entirely possible there are Predator clowns out there, but do we want to see them juggle? Gay Prefator are also in the realm of possibility, but do we want to see them make out? Same goes with three-legged squint Predators with mild retardation, possible nonetheless.
Seriously, stop defending outright stupid ideas. Predator retrieving his tech is cool and it's fine story to follow, but we don't need this cheesy and dumb stuff.
So basically, anything but a Predator on a killing spree is cheesy. Sure, let's make another slasher movie and add nothing to the universe in which they belong.
Oh for f**k sake, where did I write that? The point is, to avoid repetition of the same tropes, you shouldn't put everything on it's head. There must be a middle ground between classic slasher predator film and f**king oddity circus prefator film. What I know for certain, Predator must kill. The slasher aspect must be maintained as this is what defines those films.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 04, 2017, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: Master on Mar 04, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Of course. It's entirely possible there are Predator clowns out there, but do we want to see them juggle? Gay Prefator are also in the realm of possibility, but do we want to see them make out? Same goes with three-legged squint Predators with mild retardation, possible nonetheless.
Seriously, stop defending outright stupid ideas. Predator retrieving his tech is cool and it's fine story to follow, but we don't need this cheesy and dumb stuff.
So basically, anything but a Predator on a killing spree is cheesy. Sure, let's make another slasher movie and add nothing to the universe in which they belong.
100% in harmony with you.
Quote from: Master on Mar 04, 2017, 01:04:00 AM
Quote from: overthere on Mar 04, 2017, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: Master on Mar 04, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Of course. It's entirely possible there are Predator clowns out there, but do we want to see them juggle? Gay Prefator are also in the realm of possibility, but do we want to see them make out? Same goes with three-legged squint Predators with mild retardation, possible nonetheless.
Seriously, stop defending outright stupid ideas. Predator retrieving his tech is cool and it's fine story to follow, but we don't need this cheesy and dumb stuff.
So basically, anything but a Predator on a killing spree is cheesy. Sure, let's make another slasher movie and add nothing to the universe in which they belong.
Oh for f**k sake, where did I write that? The point is, to avoid repetition of the same tropes, you shouldn't put everything on it's head. There must be a middle ground between classic slasher predator film and f**king oddity circus prefator film. What I know for certain, Predator must kill. The slasher aspect must be maintained as this is what defines those films.
Well of course! But don't make the movie about that, have it be a
part of it.
Agreed. Best Predator films are defined genre films with Predator in it. That's why P1/2 works and Ps don't . It would be nice, Shane and co. remember that.
Lol well, Predators has many more new elements than P2. We just don't "register" it because the movie didn't really deliver, but the potential was onscreen.
Predator dogs, a different species of predator, a game reserve planet, the falcons, River Ghost, a human using predator technology(and no, picking up a weapon doesn't count, no effort or creativity there), more of a predator teaming up with a human, a predatory doctor that sees himself as one of the creatures. If the movie had a bigger budget and a better cinematographer, and lost the "Ten Little Indians" paradigm, we could've had a really cool, epic scifi film.
P2 has new elements but they're just tastes, they're flavors. Oh they don't kill pregnant woman ok, oh they have a trophy room ok(we knew they collected trophies from P1), oh there's more of them(they're onscreen for a minute and don't do anything) and one gives a human a trophy, oh look new weapons.
P2's biggest mistake was not making Keyes and his team the focus, the main characters. P2's second biggest mistake was making every character's arc be completed by their death. Do we really need everyone dead?! Danny sure, but why kill Lambert or Keyes. Again, too many group killings.
Thanks for the support Bishop, we seem to be outnumbered here. I hope at least a casual Predator fan will give this movie a fair chance.
Master, nothing suggest, in fact, Shane has mentioned this movie will have lots of blood, spine ripping, etc. Rest assure you will get your dose of the hunt.
Quote from: Master on Mar 04, 2017, 01:04:00 AM
There must be a middle ground between classic slasher predator film and f**king oddity circus prefator film. What I know for certain, Predator must kill.
That's exactly what the movie sounds like it's going to be. On one hand we'll get to see new Predator in action, getting his trophies, on the other, we'll get to learn a lot more about what goes on behind the curtains. Even if you hate the whatever new backstory they give the whole thing, the government and all, you'll still get to enjoy Predator killing humans and ripping their spines out. You don't have anything to lose if you don't like the new elements, only to gain if you actually end up enjoying it.
Plus, it's easy to make anything sound stupid when it's shortened into a line of text. Check this out:
"Incredibly small but energy dense particle started expanding one day and became source of everything we observe in the universe." What a stupid origin story, am I right?
All the plot points that sound cheesy can be executed well. Hell, the whole premise of Predator, Batman, etc, is cheesy, but we've seen how good they can turn out.
"Autistic child learns Predator language and flies Predator ships" doesn't seem like it's missing so much information that its realisation could be incredibly different. At best it sounds like Independence Day, which is a fun movie, but a shitload dumber than you want from Predator.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2017, 11:07:29 AM
"Autistic child learns Predator language and flies Predator ships" doesn't seem like it's missing so much information that its realisation could be incredibly different. At best it sounds like Independence Day, which is a fun movie, but a shitload dumber than you want from Predator.
Well, the point of advanced technology is to perform difficult tasks easily. Better technology = a child could do it. An average child can navigate through your smartphone, open up Youtube and find his favorite show, without first even learning to read and write.
And "autistic" is a broad term. The child in the movie is gifted in a way that makes him socially stand out and unaccepted. People summarize that as "autistic".
I'd also like to stress an important point. Just because an autistic child managed to translate Predator language and supposedly fly a ship, doesn't mean an average adult couldn't. It just so happens that this child got his hands on a piece of technology others never got their hands on. If this equipment fell into hands of scientists, they would have deciphered it too. No big deal, the kid was just lucky (or unlucky).
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2017, 11:07:29 AM
"Autistic child learns Predator language and flies Predator ships" doesn't seem like it's missing so much information that its realisation could be incredibly different. At best it sounds like Independence Day, which is a fun movie, but a shitload dumber than you want from Predator.
There's an 80s movie called
Flight of the Navigator about a kid flying an alien spaceship.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 04, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
Well, the point of advanced technology is to perform difficult tasks easily. Better technology = a child could do it. An average child can navigate through your smartphone, open up Youtube and find his favorite show, without first even learning to read and write.
Or, if we go to something that's actually analogous, he couldn't fly the space shuttle.
Quote from: Scorpio on Mar 04, 2017, 11:21:15 AM
There's an 80s movie called Flight of the Navigator about a kid flying an alien spaceship.
Yes. A
kid's movie.
Assuming there's any truth to this leak, this is going to be a very interesting movie, to say the least. I do hate
Spoiler
the idea of a Predator hound being turned into a pet, and I wish movies would stop trying to insert humanity into the non-human antagonists. Predators augmenting themselves with human DNA sound pretty weak, IMHO.
I just hope this doesn't turn into another disaster like Iron Man 3.
@Bishop
Predator 2 changed Alien Head Hunter into Intergalactic Head Hunter. You don't have to like it, but this movie defined the Predator we love today. Predators suggested many more things it didn't deliver then P2.
Still you missing my point. Predator and P2 would still work without our alien. First is essentially 80's muscle movie with best ever spin and P2 is buddy cop movie with same spin. No other film with Predator could work without the creature.
@ Overthere
You have bad habit to suggest what kind of fan one is. Please don't do that.
I understand your hype with new film, but that doesn't change the fact leaked ideas are very childish, not really belonging to the franchise.
Suddenly, looking at this thread.. I am reminded why I am staying away from speculation strings here.
Just... I hope none of what is speculated is true.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2017, 12:00:56 AM
Suddenly, looking at this thread.. I am reminded why I am staying away from speculation strings here.
Yep, it is really a waste of time, doubled by the fact that the only thing you can get out of this, is to lose your hype.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2017, 12:00:56 AM
Suddenly, looking at this thread.. I am reminded why I am staying away from speculation strings here.
Just... I hope none of what is speculated is true.
I used to reason like this too,but Ive been betrayed by the studios too many times.Benefit of the doubt is over.
These infos are legit,they suck, all right no need to hold your breath anymore.Prepare yourself to lower your expectations.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2017, 11:07:29 AM
"Autistic child learns Predator language and flies Predator ships" doesn't seem like it's missing so much information that its realisation could be incredibly different. At best it sounds like Independence Day, which is a fun movie, but a shitload dumber than you want from Predator.
unless i'm missing something, i'm confused - if Predators are working w/ humans, how come we don't know their language etc? i wouldn've thought some sort of knowledge exchange would be taking place. mind you, that's the least of my problems/worries w/ the script. that awful thing just doesn't smack of Shane at all, so i'm hoping it's a total fake or a deliberate mis-direct.
Hi guys!Fred Dekker confirms that script is fake on his fscebook page!!!Fuhhh
On which post?
Never mind, I see it. Thanks. :)
QuoteHi Fred i have been hearing news that the plot and some movie script has been posted on several predator forums is this plot correct we have been reading about spider predator and an upgarded pred that kills other norma pred and a child that breaks pred code ship. please tell me that this is all fake.
QuoteIt's fake.
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/posts/994001007397884:0
I found this review on script!Include the end of the film!Russian site http://kanobu.ru/news/razbiraem-stsenarij-hischnika-shejna-bleka-3-akt-prevzoshel-vse-ozhidaniya-389483/
Quote from: black on Mar 06, 2017, 02:24:11 PM
I found this review on script!Include the end of the film!Russian site http://kanobu.ru/news/razbiraem-stsenarij-hischnika-shejna-bleka-3-akt-prevzoshel-vse-ozhidaniya-389483/
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According to Fredd Dekker anyway its a fake script!Spider predators...
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For a start - a few general points. It's not a remake or a reboot, but the events of the first "Predator" are mentioned in the film only in passing and once: "When Schaeffer first Predator killed in the 87th, his self-destruct device has left the crater." So the sequel to this case, too, will not name ...
We have before us the author's film Black, using the design of monsters and weapons from the previous pictures of predators. Predators here are doing things that any other author would have looked bad fanfic: grab human weapons and shoot out of it, talking in broken English through Google-translator. One of the characters get into Predator helmet and goes for a walk in Halloween, blowing up houses and killing people from a laser cannon on the helmet. But Shane Black is all somehow works ... and in the third act the action reaches the heating and sophistication comparable to the best action movies 80s.
I would like to draw your attention to participation in the project by Fred Dekker. If you watched it very strange hybrid genre films Night of the Creeps and The Monster Squad, then you know what to expect from The Predator: children's comedy, which suddenly becomes a fighter, insurgent, who suddenly turns into a horror and horror, suddenly mutating into a scientific fiction.
The first act begins in Cuba, where a group of elite special forces under the command of the sniper Quinn McKenna (Boyd Holbrook) is preparing an operation to remove a local drug lord.
In the most crucial moment in the jungle area, in which Quinn had taken refuge, he falls invisible escape pod from the ship Predators. In the hands of Quinn get a personal computer, and the device camouflage helmet Predator that commando takes with him, "to believe." Predator ejected from the capsule kills all people McKenna and disappears without a trace.
Quinn uses cloaking device to get to the nearest town and send the helmet and a computer in the United States. Then he falls into the hands of mercenaries of the US company Stargazer and CIA agent Tregera (Sterling K. Brown), who shoot Quinn tranquilizer and sent him to a psychiatric hospital for veterans.
fter vigorous prologue start to come true all your worst fears about a new "Predator":
the film is transferred to the American suburb in the state of Georgia
the protagonist becomes Rory (Jacob Tremblay), son Quinn, a brilliant autistic boy who accidentally come helmet and a computer from Dad
It appears heroine, Casey Brackett (Olivia Munn), biologists, Stargazer which invites to the secret base to study the body of the dead Predator (the one with whom he met in the Cuban jungle Quinn)
It's not even that the Raptors in the American city we've seen in Aliens vs Predator: Requiem (the lowest point of the series about aliens and predators), child-pariah - in almost all the previous films Shane Black (especially in The Nice Guys, Iron Man 3 and Last Action Hero), but the whole story line is very quickly Mann borrowed from "Arrival" screenplay.
The thing predictable plot canvas in the second act of the scenario: once it is clear that the predator is not actually dead, that the base Stargazer he was specifically looking for a personal computer, and that, not finding him there, the stranger went to look for Rory, like Terminator or Anton Chigur of No Country for Old Men.
Routine setting only emphasizes punching plot moves from standard thriller, which somehow wormed Predator: Mercenaries come home to Rory, alien dog killing mercenaries, have joined forces and Casey Quinn kill the alien dogs ...
Of course, it's still Shane Black: Quinn very creative escapes from the hospital with the support of the whole bus Deranged veterans who become his new squad. Casey releases excellent jokes, for the understanding of which is necessary to learn about the history kinofranchayza: "Why do you call it the Predator? He's a hunter! "(Original screenplay Jim and John Thomas was called the Hunter, it was renamed in the Predator in the production process).
Veterans are divided completely untranslatable obscene jokes, like Shane Black's character in the original "Predator." No one is surprised that Quinn was in contact with real live alien: shell-shocked Afghans only grimly shake their heads and agree, that "these aliens are already zadolbali".
The main alien ship - Ark - makes emergency landing in Florida, and comes out of it virtually invulnerable super-predator. It kills the usual, small predators and chasing Rory Quinn and as long as Quinn does not know to throw a personal computer from the car window. Super Predator picks up the computer and go, Quinn, Rory Casey again and capture the mercenaries of the Stargazer.
Explains that the Raptors pull people (and not just people) of the spine is not just so, and then to extract DNA from them and use it to create new Predators hybrids that are better adapted to survival. Also it explains that the Predators planet gradually cooled, and they are preparing for mass migration to Earth, where there was one or two generations to catastrophic global warming.
Actually, everything is clear: left to somehow get rid of Tregera and round out the line with a super-predator, so that the audience went home disappointed, but the entertainment in general.
But where the mediocre and lazy writers stop, where in Alien vs. Predator, Aliens vs Predator: Requiem Predator 2 or all would have ended the confrontation of the hero and super-Predator, Black includes a higher gear and start writing in earnest.
Firstly, all the bad guys from the Stargazer quickly killed and the Ark into the hands of the US military. The heroes are the famous "Zone 51" in the Nevada desert, where it turns out that humanity has for many years with leading Predators Cold War ... and where in comfortable chambers sit two Predator-defector who joined the people of the secrets of his race! Super Predator - the hired killer, who was sent to Earth on a mission to destroy the defectors. Remember where the script began, and what mission Quinn performed in Cuba?
Secondly, super-predator opens all the cryo-capsules on the Ark, releasing an army of hybrid Predators: on two legs, three, four, on the tentacles ... general at them - only spotted the head and mandibles. This gang is attacking Area 51 as heroes with a predator-defectors make a strategic retreat on a convoy of jeeps and armored vehicles. Nightmare hybrids kill all the guards, but Casey and Rory on board the Ark realize that all hybrids are equipped with self-destruct collars. Rory learns to control the Ark, and in the last moment activates these collars, throwing Casey in an escape pod to the transmitter. When the capsule sweeps past - hybrids explode. Very beautiful.
Third, Rory makes a forced landing on the Ark of the football field near the school. Appears Super Predator, Predators kill defectors and takes Rory captured as the most worthy opponent (autistic boy blew all Hebrides and learned to control the spaceship). Quinn sees this and rushes to the surface of the spacecraft taking off. When the Ark shell fighter F-22, Quinn has to jump off the reservation on the force field and to roll on its back face on the background of fire and explosions. He sees on a hatch on the location shooting of a rescue capsule, opens it, firing into the ship ...
The field is switched off, Quinn falls and manages to grab the pilot of one of the downed F-22 Parachute.
They land in the Florida swamp, Ark broken nearby Super Predator also catapulted ... In the final match with a Predator participate Quinn (with a sniper rifle), Rory (cut-off time to arm Predator included a force field of the Ark) and Casey (which uses camouflage kit to artfully cut Predator dreadlocks - in fact it is not dreadlocks, but something in between the tentacles and antennae).
Eventually Quinn fatally Super Predator using severed limb and the collar of self-destruction. Dad and son standing over the defeated enemy and share the latest phrases through Google-translator:
I am a warrior. You?
Same.
The surviving heroes wander to the helicopter ... where they were waiting for Arnold Schwarzenegger in the role of old-Alan "Datca" Schaeffer. He said that the real war began with the Predators, and takes Quinn, Casey and Rory in the next series.
This must be the most horrible piece of crap I've ever read.
Seems to reinforce what we've heard before, sounds really worrying
Quote from: black on Mar 06, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
According to Fredd Dekker anyway its a fake script!Spider predators...
Where did he say it was fake?
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 06, 2017, 03:05:53 PM
Where did he say it was fake?
A few posts above -
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2017, 02:10:40 PM
On which post?
Never mind, I see it. Thanks. :)
QuoteHi Fred i have been hearing news that the plot and some movie script has been posted on several predator forums is this plot correct we have been reading about spider predator and an upgarded pred that kills other norma pred and a child that breaks pred code ship. please tell me that this is all fake.
QuoteIt's fake.
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/posts/994001007397884:0
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 06, 2017, 03:05:53 PM
Seems to reinforce what we've heard before, sounds really worrying
Quote from: black on Mar 06, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
According to Fredd Dekker anyway its a fake script!Spider predators...
Where did he say it was fake?
On his Facebook post(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170306/89403ac0d7c5513a2c6a98bbc562d2a5.jpg)
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Fake or not, it's crap.
I agree its a very strange script for a predator movie
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Mar 06, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 06, 2017, 03:05:53 PM
Seems to reinforce what we've heard before, sounds really worrying
Quote from: black on Mar 06, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
According to Fredd Dekker anyway its a fake script!Spider predators...
Where did he say it was fake?
On his Facebook post(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170306/89403ac0d7c5513a2c6a98bbc562d2a5.jpg)
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But that doesn't reference anything. I'd really like it to be fake as there are some terrible ideas in there. But I don't think that FB post means anything
I don't see where he said that the LEAKED SCRIPT was a fake.
He just said: It's fake.
Нe could not answer but he said that the idea of this scenario wrong! This must mean something...
So no Ahnuuuld then??
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
Dodgy Google Translate inbound...
Spoiler
For a start - a few general points. It's not a remake or a reboot, but the events of the first "Predator" are mentioned in the film only in passing and once: "When Schaeffer first Predator killed in the 87th, his self-destruct device has left the crater." So the sequel to this case, too, will not name ...
We have before us the author's film Black, using the design of monsters and weapons from the previous pictures of predators. Predators here are doing things that any other author would have looked bad fanfic: grab human weapons and shoot out of it, talking in broken English through Google-translator. One of the characters get into Predator helmet and goes for a walk in Halloween, blowing up houses and killing people from a laser cannon on the helmet. But Shane Black is all somehow works ... and in the third act the action reaches the heating and sophistication comparable to the best action movies 80s.
I would like to draw your attention to participation in the project by Fred Dekker. If you watched it very strange hybrid genre films Night of the Creeps and The Monster Squad, then you know what to expect from The Predator: children's comedy, which suddenly becomes a fighter, insurgent, who suddenly turns into a horror and horror, suddenly mutating into a scientific fiction.
The first act begins in Cuba, where a group of elite special forces under the command of the sniper Quinn McKenna (Boyd Holbrook) is preparing an operation to remove a local drug lord.
In the most crucial moment in the jungle area, in which Quinn had taken refuge, he falls invisible escape pod from the ship Predators. In the hands of Quinn get a personal computer, and the device camouflage helmet Predator that commando takes with him, "to believe." Predator ejected from the capsule kills all people McKenna and disappears without a trace.
Quinn uses cloaking device to get to the nearest town and send the helmet and a computer in the United States. Then he falls into the hands of mercenaries of the US company Stargazer and CIA agent Tregera (Sterling K. Brown), who shoot Quinn tranquilizer and sent him to a psychiatric hospital for veterans.
fter vigorous prologue start to come true all your worst fears about a new "Predator":
the film is transferred to the American suburb in the state of Georgia
the protagonist becomes Rory (Jacob Tremblay), son Quinn, a brilliant autistic boy who accidentally come helmet and a computer from Dad
It appears heroine, Casey Brackett (Olivia Munn), biologists, Stargazer which invites to the secret base to study the body of the dead Predator (the one with whom he met in the Cuban jungle Quinn)
It's not even that the Raptors in the American city we've seen in Aliens vs Predator: Requiem (the lowest point of the series about aliens and predators), child-pariah - in almost all the previous films Shane Black (especially in The Nice Guys, Iron Man 3 and Last Action Hero), but the whole story line is very quickly Mann borrowed from "Arrival" screenplay.
The thing predictable plot canvas in the second act of the scenario: once it is clear that the predator is not actually dead, that the base Stargazer he was specifically looking for a personal computer, and that, not finding him there, the stranger went to look for Rory, like Terminator or Anton Chigur of No Country for Old Men.
Routine setting only emphasizes punching plot moves from standard thriller, which somehow wormed Predator: Mercenaries come home to Rory, alien dog killing mercenaries, have joined forces and Casey Quinn kill the alien dogs ...
Of course, it's still Shane Black: Quinn very creative escapes from the hospital with the support of the whole bus Deranged veterans who become his new squad. Casey releases excellent jokes, for the understanding of which is necessary to learn about the history kinofranchayza: "Why do you call it the Predator? He's a hunter! "(Original screenplay Jim and John Thomas was called the Hunter, it was renamed in the Predator in the production process).
Veterans are divided completely untranslatable obscene jokes, like Shane Black's character in the original "Predator." No one is surprised that Quinn was in contact with real live alien: shell-shocked Afghans only grimly shake their heads and agree, that "these aliens are already zadolbali".
The main alien ship - Ark - makes emergency landing in Florida, and comes out of it virtually invulnerable super-predator. It kills the usual, small predators and chasing Rory Quinn and as long as Quinn does not know to throw a personal computer from the car window. Super Predator picks up the computer and go, Quinn, Rory Casey again and capture the mercenaries of the Stargazer.
Explains that the Raptors pull people (and not just people) of the spine is not just so, and then to extract DNA from them and use it to create new Predators hybrids that are better adapted to survival. Also it explains that the Predators planet gradually cooled, and they are preparing for mass migration to Earth, where there was one or two generations to catastrophic global warming.
Actually, everything is clear: left to somehow get rid of Tregera and round out the line with a super-predator, so that the audience went home disappointed, but the entertainment in general.
But where the mediocre and lazy writers stop, where in Alien vs. Predator, Aliens vs Predator: Requiem Predator 2 or all would have ended the confrontation of the hero and super-Predator, Black includes a higher gear and start writing in earnest.
Firstly, all the bad guys from the Stargazer quickly killed and the Ark into the hands of the US military. The heroes are the famous "Zone 51" in the Nevada desert, where it turns out that humanity has for many years with leading Predators Cold War ... and where in comfortable chambers sit two Predator-defector who joined the people of the secrets of his race! Super Predator - the hired killer, who was sent to Earth on a mission to destroy the defectors. Remember where the script began, and what mission Quinn performed in Cuba?
Secondly, super-predator opens all the cryo-capsules on the Ark, releasing an army of hybrid Predators: on two legs, three, four, on the tentacles ... general at them - only spotted the head and mandibles. This gang is attacking Area 51 as heroes with a predator-defectors make a strategic retreat on a convoy of jeeps and armored vehicles. Nightmare hybrids kill all the guards, but Casey and Rory on board the Ark realize that all hybrids are equipped with self-destruct collars. Rory learns to control the Ark, and in the last moment activates these collars, throwing Casey in an escape pod to the transmitter. When the capsule sweeps past - hybrids explode. Very beautiful.
Third, Rory makes a forced landing on the Ark of the football field near the school. Appears Super Predator, Predators kill defectors and takes Rory captured as the most worthy opponent (autistic boy blew all Hebrides and learned to control the spaceship). Quinn sees this and rushes to the surface of the spacecraft taking off. When the Ark shell fighter F-22, Quinn has to jump off the reservation on the force field and to roll on its back face on the background of fire and explosions. He sees on a hatch on the location shooting of a rescue capsule, opens it, firing into the ship ...
The field is switched off, Quinn falls and manages to grab the pilot of one of the downed F-22 Parachute.
They land in the Florida swamp, Ark broken nearby Super Predator also catapulted ... In the final match with a Predator participate Quinn (with a sniper rifle), Rory (cut-off time to arm Predator included a force field of the Ark) and Casey (which uses camouflage kit to artfully cut Predator dreadlocks - in fact it is not dreadlocks, but something in between the tentacles and antennae).
Eventually Quinn fatally Super Predator using severed limb and the collar of self-destruction. Dad and son standing over the defeated enemy and share the latest phrases through Google-translator:
I am a warrior. You?
Same.
The surviving heroes wander to the helicopter ... where they were waiting for Arnold Schwarzenegger in the role of old-Alan "Datca" Schaeffer. He said that the real war began with the Predators, and takes Quinn, Casey and Rory in the next series.
Gotta love Google translate. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2017, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 06, 2017, 03:05:53 PM
Where did he say it was fake?
A few posts above -
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2017, 02:10:40 PM
On which post?
Never mind, I see it. Thanks. :)
QuoteHi Fred i have been hearing news that the plot and some movie script has been posted on several predator forums is this plot correct we have been reading about spider predator and an upgarded pred that kills other norma pred and a child that breaks pred code ship. please tell me that this is all fake.
QuoteIt's fake.
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/posts/994001007397884:0
Dekker is lying, but I forgive him, i'm pretty sure he doesn't have the right to admit that this script is legit.
But lying is pointless, in less than a year everybody will see that he lied.Unless they wanna do some damage control
and save this movie from a deserved flop.
So the new cast photo seems to confirm the point about the veterans being transported on the bus which is making it more likely that the few leaks we've had so far are legit. I think my hype has dropped so low it's now tunneling into the Earth...
When you factor in that they struck out on every single A lister actor they approached, it really makes me believe this is actually the story. It's so terrible words don't do it justice. It's like 5th grader fan fiction. If I was a studio and someone handed me this script, I'd tell them it's unfilmable. Can't be done. Ok, well, it technically could be done, but it wouldn't be any good and it'd just be flushing the studio's money and the saga's integrity down the toilet. Even though Predators and AvP:R weren't masterpieces, they never crossed the line of disrespect to the monsters. The predators certainly behaved like predators. This reads like the absolute worst parts of Robocop 3. That film was truly horrible, and I think most Robocop fans would have appreciated it never being made. Ugh. Makes me want to vomit in my mouth thinking this could actually be legit.
The standards for a Predator film keep getting lower and lower. Just imagine what subsequent sequels are going to be like.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Mar 09, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
When you factor in that they struck out on every single A lister actor they approached, it really makes me believe this is actually the story. It's so terrible words don't do it justice. It's like 5th grader fan fiction. If I was a studio and someone handed me this script, I'd tell them it's unfilmable. Can't be done. Ok, well, it technically could be done, but it wouldn't be any good and it'd just be flushing the studio's money and the saga's integrity down the toilet. Even though Predators and AvP:R weren't masterpieces, they never crossed the line of disrespect to the monsters. The predators certainly behaved like predators. This reads like the absolute worst parts of Robocop 3. That film was truly horrible, and I think most Robocop fans would have appreciated it never being made. Ugh. Makes me want to vomit in my mouth thinking this could actually be legit.
Sadly everything so far that has been announced corresponds with the leaked script which is f**kin atrocious. Erase all expectations that this will be any good and you may actually end up being only disappointed at the end.
Quote from: predator88 on Mar 09, 2017, 01:48:13 PM
Quote from: newagescamartist on Mar 09, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
When you factor in that they struck out on every single A lister actor they approached, it really makes me believe this is actually the story. It's so terrible words don't do it justice. It's like 5th grader fan fiction. If I was a studio and someone handed me this script, I'd tell them it's unfilmable. Can't be done. Ok, well, it technically could be done, but it wouldn't be any good and it'd just be flushing the studio's money and the saga's integrity down the toilet. Even though Predators and AvP:R weren't masterpieces, they never crossed the line of disrespect to the monsters. The predators certainly behaved like predators. This reads like the absolute worst parts of Robocop 3. That film was truly horrible, and I think most Robocop fans would have appreciated it never being made. Ugh. Makes me want to vomit in my mouth thinking this could actually be legit.
Sadly everything so far that has been announced corresponds with the leaked script which is f**kin atrocious. Erase all expectations that this will be any good and you may actually end up being only disappointed at the end.
I couldnt have said it better.
first of all, whoever wrote that (not the script, that text) needs to learn how to write, go back to school or something, second, it sounds TERRIBLE, so it probably is true, but i wasnt expecting better anyway
Quote from: D88M on Mar 09, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
first of all, whoever wrote that (not the script, that text) needs to learn how to write, go back to school or something, second, it sounds TERRIBLE, so it probably is true, but i wasnt expecting better anyway
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Quote from: T888 on Mar 09, 2017, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 09, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
first of all, whoever wrote that (not the script, that text) needs to learn how to write, go back to school or something, second, it sounds TERRIBLE, so it probably is true, but i wasnt expecting better anyway
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Lol
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Mar 09, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: T888 on Mar 09, 2017, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 09, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
first of all, whoever wrote that (not the script, that text) needs to learn how to write, go back to school or something, second, it sounds TERRIBLE, so it probably is true, but i wasnt expecting better anyway
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The idea of a Predator hunting other Predators as a 'cleaner' or 'bounty hunter' IS cool & neat and exactly what I would like to see... but does it have to be a 10ft mutant DNA-sucking Predator? What the hell for?
I don't min it being taller. But 10ft is rather large. I suppose you could always look at it as a parallel to 'The Mountain' from Game Of Thrones. He is huge compared to the average Human male so perhaps predators that large are in their society, just not so common.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 10, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
I don't min it being taller. But 10ft is rather large. I suppose you could always look at it as a parallel to 'The Mountain' from Game Of Thrones. He is huge compared to the average Human male so perhaps predators that large are in their society, just not so common.
Yeah I think there would be tall and short Predators for sure, fat predators, skinny predators etc.
If this movie is gonna be bad, i wish it doesn't happen...
Quote from: Praetorian Guard on Mar 15, 2017, 01:24:03 AM
If this movie is gonna be bad, i wish it doesn't happen...
They turned the predator into a social worker man, our hands are tied.
Seriously...if this is true, f**k this franchise
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Mar 15, 2017, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: Praetorian Guard on Mar 15, 2017, 01:24:03 AM
If this movie is gonna be bad, i wish it doesn't happen...
They turned the predator into a social worker man, our hands are tied.
They're ruining the greatest character ever. I talked about this with my brother last night, he said a kid could make this crap up. Anyone could make the Predator work with Humans and make it look like S*it. Remember the 2016 poster? We thought that might be or IS the same Jungle Hunter from Predator 1.
(Yes, i'm well aware of the poster is old, but I think this makes for a better idea)
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aWM0XIohmYg/Vsfo4Vt0ANI/AAAAAAAAAeA/k6C8HZ_rZVI/s320/Predator-4-film-afisi.jpg (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aWM0XIohmYg/Vsfo4Vt0ANI/AAAAAAAAAeA/k6C8HZ_rZVI/s320/Predator-4-film-afisi.jpg)
If you would please allow me to say why we think that. Same mask, but is kinda broken you can see somewhat of his skin. Plasma Caster looks the same, but maybe isn't THE same one. "YOU'LL NEVER SEE HIM COMING" Text. The Predator can turn invisible, and you'll never see him coming as he hunts you. Maybe 70% to read that will see it as I said. The other 30% will see it this way. You'll never see it coming that this Predator on the poster is the same Predator from the first movie. In Predator Concrete Jungle, it is said that Predator can survive the explosion of his self-destruct. Shamed by defeat and having exposed his race to the humans, the Predator is exiled by his clan to a planet inhabited by deadly alien creatures. One hundred years later, the Predator is now offered a chance for redemption.
Wouldn't that make a better story for this movie? Jungle Hunter survived the blast, and now he is back to Earth after 30 long years? The poster shows he has returned, but with the same mask he had from the first movie. He didn't die, but his face is deformed by the blast. He still remembers that day well. Now he is back to hunt, and this time... No screw ups. You can't say that is not a bad idea. The poster itself tells you this is Jungle Hunter with the same mask, but now broken. Hell, you can use Jungle Hunter again, and add some plot twist like a Bad Blood is running loose in his hunting ground or something. Come on, i'm no director, but I know we can make up better ideas and scripts than Mr. Black is. Just... *Sigh* Throw the script in the trash, and try to rethink about what you're doing, Black. We never got another good Predator game since Concrete Jungle. At least use your brain, and listen to our voices. I think we're the true brains and hearts of the Predators.
Quote from: Praetorian Guard on Mar 16, 2017, 02:06:43 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Mar 15, 2017, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: Praetorian Guard on Mar 15, 2017, 01:24:03 AM
If this movie is gonna be bad, i wish it doesn't happen...
They turned the predator into a social worker man, our hands are tied.
They're ruining the greatest character ever. I talked about this with my brother last night, he said a kid could make this crap up. Anyone could make the Predator work with Humans and make it look like S*it. Remember the 2016 poster? We thought that might be or IS the same Jungle Hunter from Predator 1.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aWM0XIohmYg/Vsfo4Vt0ANI/AAAAAAAAAeA/k6C8HZ_rZVI/s320/Predator-4-film-afisi.jpg (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aWM0XIohmYg/Vsfo4Vt0ANI/AAAAAAAAAeA/k6C8HZ_rZVI/s320/Predator-4-film-afisi.jpg)
If you would please allow me to say why we think that. Same mask, but is kinda broken you can see somewhat of his skin. Plasma Caster looks the same, but maybe isn't THE same one. "YOU'LL NEVER SEE HIM COMING" Text. The Predator can turn invisible, and you'll never see him coming as he hunts you. Maybe 70% to read that will see it as I said. The other 30% will see it this way. You'll never see it coming that this Predator on the poster is the same Predator from the first movie. In Predator Concrete Jungle, it is said that Predator can survive the explosion of his self-destruct. Shamed by defeat and having exposed his race to the humans, the Predator is exiled by his clan to a planet inhabited by deadly alien creatures. One hundred years later, the Predator is now offered a chance for redemption.
Wouldn't that make a better story for this movie? Jungle Hunter survived the blast, and now he is back to Earth after 30 long years? The poster shows he has returned, but with the same mask he had from the first movie. He didn't die, but his face is deformed by the blast. He still remembers that day well. Now he is back to hunt, and this time... No screw ups. You can't say that is not a bad idea. The poster itself tells you this is Jungle Hunter with the same mask, but now broken. Hell, you can use Jungle Hunter again, and add some plot twist like a Bad Blood is running loose in his hunting ground or something. Come on, i'm no director, but I know we can make up better ideas and scripts than Mr. Black is. Just... *Sigh* Throw the script in the trash, and try to rethink about what you're doing, Black. We never got another good Predator game since Concrete Jungle. At least use your brain, and listen to our voices. I think we're the true brains and hearts of the Predators.
someone else wanna tell him thats the "crucified Pred" from Predators or nah?
Quote from: ThePredatorUK on Mar 16, 2017, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: Praetorian Guard on Mar 16, 2017, 02:06:43 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Mar 15, 2017, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: Praetorian Guard on Mar 15, 2017, 01:24:03 AM
If this movie is gonna be bad, i wish it doesn't happen...
They turned the predator into a social worker man, our hands are tied.
They're ruining the greatest character ever. I talked about this with my brother last night, he said a kid could make this crap up. Anyone could make the Predator work with Humans and make it look like S*it. Remember the 2016 poster? We thought that might be or IS the same Jungle Hunter from Predator 1.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aWM0XIohmYg/Vsfo4Vt0ANI/AAAAAAAAAeA/k6C8HZ_rZVI/s320/Predator-4-film-afisi.jpg (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aWM0XIohmYg/Vsfo4Vt0ANI/AAAAAAAAAeA/k6C8HZ_rZVI/s320/Predator-4-film-afisi.jpg)
If you would please allow me to say why we think that. Same mask, but is kinda broken you can see somewhat of his skin. Plasma Caster looks the same, but maybe isn't THE same one. "YOU'LL NEVER SEE HIM COMING" Text. The Predator can turn invisible, and you'll never see him coming as he hunts you. Maybe 70% to read that will see it as I said. The other 30% will see it this way. You'll never see it coming that this Predator on the poster is the same Predator from the first movie. In Predator Concrete Jungle, it is said that Predator can survive the explosion of his self-destruct. Shamed by defeat and having exposed his race to the humans, the Predator is exiled by his clan to a planet inhabited by deadly alien creatures. One hundred years later, the Predator is now offered a chance for redemption.
Wouldn't that make a better story for this movie? Jungle Hunter survived the blast, and now he is back to Earth after 30 long years? The poster shows he has returned, but with the same mask he had from the first movie. He didn't die, but his face is deformed by the blast. He still remembers that day well. Now he is back to hunt, and this time... No screw ups. You can't say that is not a bad idea. The poster itself tells you this is Jungle Hunter with the same mask, but now broken. Hell, you can use Jungle Hunter again, and add some plot twist like a Bad Blood is running loose in his hunting ground or something. Come on, i'm no director, but I know we can make up better ideas and scripts than Mr. Black is. Just... *Sigh* Throw the script in the trash, and try to rethink about what you're doing, Black. We never got another good Predator game since Concrete Jungle. At least use your brain, and listen to our voices. I think we're the true brains and hearts of the Predators.
someone else wanna tell him thats the "crucified Pred" from Predators or nah?
lol right. I thought everyone already knew that. Here's the same image as it appeared on magazine cover for Ps:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predators/magazines/201007-sfx.pdf
I don't even believe that image is an official promo for the upcoming movie. It was just shared by the predator fb page which only seems to post memes...
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 09, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
The idea of a Predator hunting other Predators as a 'cleaner' or 'bounty hunter' IS cool & neat and exactly what I would like to see... but does it have to be a 10ft mutant DNA-sucking Predator? What the hell for?
Can you fathom the sequels of this crap proves to be successful?
I call The hero will use this plot element and gain "predator hybrid powers" Ala alien resurrection....*shudders*
I do have faith in Shane black tough. The guy is talented.
What could be interesting AND refreshing, is a Predator movie without humans and not on earth. For example, we follow the life of a Predator, or several hunters through the galaxy. Something like that.
Hopefully The main predator survives for a change... Just kidding just gonna stick back and judge it myself. Really happy there making another one. But I see where everyone is coming from. Hopefully most of use are gonna be happy with the outcome.
What's next? they're gonna reduce it to a PG-15 rating to cater to a wider audience and make the Predator "child-friendly"? eugh.
You know what sums up the Predator? Not only as a franchise, but as a character? That scene in the original where we see the original team. hanging upside down and skinned; THAT is the predator that the franchise needs and deserves. The first 2 films are on solid ground and will be seen as classics, but will be overshadowed by overhyped, baby-drivel written crap like this. The fact alone that they're trying to incorporate a "bigger, badder meaner" character than the predator is just pure ass, like they enjoy subverting the nature of how deadly predators are, and gives the title name less substance.
You know what they need to do?
Spoiler
We open up with our credits sequence, a somewhat long, dark, foreboding nature to it, similar to how ALIEN opened up with it's "silent empty space" with it's memorable intrumental tone. Soundbites of static, distorted radio transmissions can be heard, most of it unrelated and pure garbage; Weather news stating higher summer heatwave records the previous year, crime rate statistics increasing, etc. As it goes on, it gets more and more visceral; Live audio recordings of gang leaders, SWAT teams, secret military squads, getting eviscerated, leaving the visual gore and carnage up to the viewer to perceive. then we get small teasers of video recording cuts; Survivors, in a bloody, dead-frightened state, brokenly describing something that can be only described as "Not-Human".
It closes with the first ever documented incident; Dutch; detailing his account of the first film, reluctantly revealing his cancerous condition, due to the nuclear-esque explosion from the first encounter. He finishes with "You don't know what you're dealing with". Cue flash title cut to THE PREDATOR.
This not only takes into account aspects of the previous films, it gives a cameo and some well-needed closure to our favourite character and it sets the scene, the brutality and the bar itself for what NEEDS to be a bloodbath. it wouldn't do previous films any justice.
After reading that awfully composed synopsis, I just threw up a little in my mouth... some of the first act stuff sounds good, then the subsequent acts begin to spiral into "WHAT IS GOING ON?!" territory.
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And just like that, any hope I had for the Predator franchise being revived with a proper film that would build upon what the first two films showed us is gone. I mean, this isn't even funny, it's just God damn f**king pathetic. An autistic child learns the language of an alien species. Jesus. Something like this absolutely does not belong in a film that's supposed to be about the Predator. I haven't read the rest of the leaked script, but I don't think I really need to, because if this one tidbit is true, I'll probably just skip this shit altogether. The only acceptable role for a child in a Predator film is this:
Quote from: Vow on Mar 28, 2017, 03:06:07 AM
And just like that, any hope I had for the Predator franchise being revived with a proper film that would build upon what the first two films showed us is gone. I mean, this isn't even funny, it's just God damn f**king pathetic. An autistic child learns the language of an alien species. Jesus. Something like this absolutely does not belong in a film that's supposed to be about the Predator. I haven't read the rest of the leaked script, but I don't think I really need to, because if this one tidbit is true, I'll probably just skip this shit altogether. The only acceptable role for a child in a Predator film is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq84csBuEgg
Well spoken. :)
I don't want to read all the spoilers. But can someone share some info on the Predator spine injections?
Spoiler
Would making the reason Predators hunt for spinal injections instead of Trophies not ruin the whole mythology?!
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 01, 2017, 03:05:22 PM
I don't want to read all the spoilers. But can someone share some info on the Predator spine injections?
Spoiler
Would making the reason Predators hunt for spinal injections instead of Trophies not ruin the whole mythology?!
Of course it would.I hate when they do that.
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 01, 2017, 03:05:22 PM
But can someone share some info on the Predator spine injections?
Yeah.
This film is a long PSA against drugs.
Haven't been keeping up on pred news but what is this about
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spinal injections.... as in they are hunting humans for their spines? For me that sounds pretty strange, you don't fun and hunt an animal for their gooey insides, you just kill them and harvest it.
Trophies/souvenir's make a lot more sense.
Quote from: Vow on Mar 28, 2017, 03:06:07 AM
And just like that, any hope I had for the Predator franchise being revived with a proper film that would build upon what the first two films showed us is gone. I mean, this isn't even funny, it's just God damn f**king pathetic. An autistic child learns the language of an alien species. Jesus. Something like this absolutely does not belong in a film that's supposed to be about the Predator. I haven't read the rest of the leaked script, but I don't think I really need to, because if this one tidbit is true, I'll probably just skip this shit altogether. The only acceptable role for a child in a Predator film is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq84csBuEgg
word.
Edit: Erasing what I wrote re: the script to avoid giving the forum trouble.
In short: People who love the work of Fred Dekker and Shane Black will love this movie. Predator diehards who need the films to be very serious and masculine at all times will hate it. Like Iron Man 3, it's going to be a very polarizing experience for geeks. I loved the script but it is a huge departure and takes major liberties - but frankly that is what this franchise (and Alien, though that won't be getting it) needs.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 03:53:26 PM
Edit: Erasing what I wrote re: the script to avoid giving the forum trouble.
In short: People who love the work of Fred Dekker and Shane Black will love this movie. Predator diehards who need the films to be very serious and masculine at all times will hate it. Like Iron Man 3, it's going to be a very polarizing experience for geeks. I loved the script but it is a huge departure and takes major liberties - but frankly that is what this franchise (and Alien, though that won't be getting it) needs.
The people who love the direction Robocop
3 took will love The Predator yeah.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 03, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
The people who love the direction Robocop 3 took will love The Predator yeah.
Yeah, that's definitely all Fred Dekker's ever made.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 03:53:26 PM
Edit: Erasing what I wrote re: the script to avoid giving the forum trouble.
In short: People who love the work of Fred Dekker and Shane Black will love this movie. Predator diehards who need the films to be very serious and masculine at all times will hate it. Like Iron Man 3, it's going to be a very polarizing experience for geeks. I loved the script but it is a huge departure and takes major liberties - but frankly that is what this franchise (and Alien, though that won't be getting it) needs.
Did you read the script somehow ?
I sure am talking about it a lot.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 09:29:53 PM
I sure am talking about it a lot.
Care to PM some details if you have? I'd love to know some.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 03, 2017, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 09:29:53 PM
I sure am talking about it a lot.
Care to PM some details if you have? I'd love to know some.
Right!?
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Most of the major pertinent details have leaked in this thread. The nuances of the new mythos are complicated but IMO they give the franchise somewhere to go.
Fans who don't like the two creatives' love for kid protagonists or humor may be unhappy, but short of Robocop 3 (which had a lot of studio meddling) I've never seen them make a bad movie. I think it is a very different but very worthy addition to the franchise. It's not just a rote sequel like the last two (and no, I did not like Predator 2). For a lot of people, though, it'll be like Iron Man 3 or even Prometheus - something dramatically different, loopier or off the beaten path (it's smarter than Prometheus) and violating a lot of 'rules' of a franchise. It's gonna make nerds fight to the death.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 03:53:26 PM
Edit: Erasing what I wrote re: the script to avoid giving the forum trouble.
In short: People who love the work of Fred Dekker and Shane Black will love this movie. Predator diehards who need the films to be very serious and masculine at all times will hate it. Like Iron Man 3, it's going to be a very polarizing experience for geeks. I loved the script but it is a huge departure and takes major liberties - but frankly that is what this franchise (and Alien, though that won't be getting it) needs.
Iron Man 3 is a entertanning stupid brainless movie, now as a fan of Marvel comic books my whole life: Iron Man 3 is a terrible movie (as is the norm with the disney made mcu) that has NOTHING to do with the comic books or any of the characters in them (as is the norm in the disney made mcu), if that is the route Black is going, count me out, there is no excuse that he didnt read the source material: he literally lived it, if he still doenst know what Predator is about and is gonna do soemthing totally unrelated, then he should not be doing this movie
As a longtime fan of both Shane Black and Iron Man, I think Iron Man 3 is a great Shane Black movie which also did good things for Iron Man and took risks. But for many Iron Man and comic book purists (like, say, you) it was an outrage and the worst thing they've ever seen. That's life.
Black knows the Predator source material (what little of it that is canon) very well. His film simply adds to the mythology. Whether you like it or not is up to you but it's happening, and frankly it beats another dark dingy hunt movie IMO which would not make money.
Care te PM me the script? I know Hicks was also interested in getting it.
Who said I still have it?
I think iron man 3 is my favourite Iron man movie and I have read the comics for 20 years. I love Shane Blacks stuff so can't wait for this.
Would love more details from the script.
So many people have claimed to have read it but getting a hold of it has been like trying to pull teeth for such an apparently well circulated script.
Does seem that way. Seems a lot of claims are made but nothing to back them up.
That's because not everyone wants to screw over their contacts.
There are three certainties in life:
Death
Taxes
People assuring other people on the internet they have totally legit insider info.
Yeah, I came back to waste my time on that five years later. Because I'm f**king ridiculous.
At least you're aware that you're wasting your time?
Seriously, what is there to gain by saying to people, anonymously, on an Internet forum, "I've totally got these sources and read the actual script and have all of this knowledge but, no, I can't prove a word of anything I'm saying and you'll have to trust me"?
It doesn't even matter if you're telling the truth, if you're not in a position to support your assertions you're wasting your breath. You're just another unverified rumour on an endless mill of unverified rumours.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
Seriously, what is there to gain by saying to people, anonymously, on an Internet forum, "I've totally got these sources and read the actual script and have all of this knowledge but, no, I can't prove a word of anything I'm saying and you'll have to trust me"?
That wasn't my intention. But I knew the synopsis had leaked, I saw the (predictable) reaction from the hardcore fans, and I wanted to speak my piece on how I felt about the script. I said nothing about my sources beyond not wanting to burn them; I also didn't want to tease you with details. I simply gave my take on the overall material. Those are two of the reasons I edited my first post which was originally much more specific on detail.
QuoteIt doesn't even matter if you're telling the truth, if you're not in a position to support your assertions you're wasting your breath. You're just another unverified rumour on an endless mill of unverified rumours.
That's why I have made no assertions beyond my opinion of the material. If you don't like how I've handled it, that's your problem. I have nothing to prove and zero interest in doing so, because that would compromise me. If I was simply playing a game I'd try harder.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 03, 2017, 10:38:32 PM
As a longtime fan of both Shane Black and Iron Man, I think Iron Man 3 is a great Shane Black movie which also did good things for Iron Man and took risks. But for many Iron Man and comic book purists (like, say, you) it was an outrage and the worst thing they've ever seen. That's life.
Black knows the Predator source material (what little of it that is canon) very well. His film simply adds to the mythology. Whether you like it or not is up to you but it's happening, and frankly it beats another dark dingy hunt movie IMO which would not make money.
Appreciate your input. Those are exactly the same reasonable expectations that I have for this film. Ultimately, I believe it will help more than it will hurt the franchise. I really just don't want it to go in the way of ID: Resurgence
QuoteBut I knew the synopsis had leaked, I saw the (predictable) reaction from the hardcore fans, and I wanted to speak my piece on how I felt about the script.
Which leads to the (predictable) reaction of people asking about your sources, which leads to the (predictable) response of, "I can't say". Saying you've read the script
is teasing people with details, because you're making it as obvious as possible you have them.
I'm not saying you're lying, at all. But if you can't back up what you're saying, then who cares what you have to say about the material? We can't even know if you've actually read it, so what weight is there to put into your opinion of it? You could have it sitting on your lap as you type for all we know, but the net result of your feedback is letting people know you've got the inside scoop.
I know I'm sounding like a dick, but damn does it get tiring after a decade or so.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2017, 12:17:08 PM
I'm not saying you're lying, at all. But if you can't back up what you're saying, then who cares what you have to say about the material?
Evidently someone else in this thread. If you don't, that's fine.
QuoteI know I'm sounding like a dick, but damn does it get tiring after a decade or so.
You're not the only one who's been on the Internet or geek forums for a long time. We take the occupational hazards of life as we can. Or not.
Quote from: von on Apr 04, 2017, 12:15:51 PM
Ultimately, I believe it will help more than it will hurt the franchise. I really just don't want it to go in the way of ID: Resurgence
I think some people may see the film that way, because nothing is ever good or bad anymore, it's always 'the best' or 'the worst'. I think it's going to bitterly polarize geeks and perhaps the Internet in the style of the films I mention. (Unlike the final production of
Prometheus however, I think this story's ideas and mythology are very much solidified and sure of themselves and their aims, whereas I'm not sure Scott or Lindelof were comfortable committing to anything concrete either in pre, production or post, from design to script to cutting.) Or who knows, maybe most people will embrace it. I think it will do well financially, but I worry the studio will balk at the fanboy reaction and want to roll back to something more conventional and safe. I do think the changes in the overall mythos are one of the only ways to progress the franchise beyond another dreadful AVP film or 'Predators come here to hunt people, possibly in the closest and cheapest national park location we find'.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 04, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
I think some people may see the film that way, because nothing is ever good or bad anymore, it's always 'the best' or 'the worst'. I think it's going to bitterly polarize geeks and perhaps the Internet in the style of the films I mention. (Unlike the final production of Prometheus however, I think this story's ideas and mythology are very much solidified and sure of themselves and their aims, whereas I'm not sure Scott or Lindelof were comfortable committing to anything concrete either in pre, production or post, from design to script to cutting.) Or who knows, maybe most people will embrace it. I think it will do well financially, but I worry the studio will balk at the fanboy reaction and want to roll back to something more conventional and safe. I do think the changes in the overall mythos are one of the only ways to progress the franchise beyond another dreadful AVP film or 'Predators come here to hunt people, possibly in the closest and cheapest national park location we find'.
Safe to say the project has already polarized the fans (judging by our forums) via sketchy but credible leaks even before any footage has been shown. No doubt this will continue right up to the film's release and through the years/decades that follow.
What I hated about ID:Resurgence was how it came across as a lazy and half-hearted attempt at expanding a franchise's existing mythology. It turned out to be terribly uninspiring and mediocre in its execution and storytelling. I fear this COULD happen to our beloved Predator franchise but with Shane + Fred on board, coupled with the brilliance of Larry Fong, there is a great deal of promise for an exciting cinematic experience that continues the story and develops the mythos. Unfortunately, not many have felt this sort of positivity as I understand most are uncomfortable with the changes that can be expected.
I would prefer if they went full-blown batshit crazy with this rather than another Prometheus/PredatorS or a retelling of the original film with slightly different ingredients. Like you said, this would be the opposite of a "conventional and safe" approach but it's definitely time to do something RADICAL for a new generation of moviegoers.
Yeah, there's nothing half-hearted about this story.
I do think Prometheus tried something very different and bold which I supported, but they also failed to completely articulate or expand on it in the film. Regardless it could've gone anywhere afterwards but they opted to go back to the most conventional tropes of the alien with Covenant, which I find very disappointing.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 04, 2017, 01:22:31 PM
Yeah, there's nothing half-hearted about this story.
I do think Prometheus tried something very different and bold which I supported, but they also failed to completely articulate or expand on it in the film. Regardless it could've gone anywhere afterwards but they opted to go back to the most conventional tropes of the alien with Covenant, which I find very disappointing.
Couldn't agree more about Prometheus and Covenant. With Prometheus, it felt like Scott had one foot in the water but with Covenant, he's opted for a float. Shane has expressed admiration for the work Scott has and is doing with the franchise, so I believe he's moving in the right direction for Predator
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Jogger scene? Was this leaked too? I don't remember this leak other then set photos
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Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2017, 12:17:08 PM
QuoteBut I knew the synopsis had leaked, I saw the (predictable) reaction from the hardcore fans, and I wanted to speak my piece on how I felt about the script.
Which leads to the (predictable) reaction of people asking about your sources, which leads to the (predictable) response of, "I can't say". Saying you've read the script is teasing people with details, because you're making it as obvious as possible you have them.
I'm not saying you're lying, at all. But if you can't back up what you're saying, then who cares what you have to say about the material? We can't even know if you've actually read it, so what weight is there to put into your opinion of it? You could have it sitting on your lap as you type for all we know, but the net result of your feedback is letting people know you've got the inside scoop.
I know I'm sounding like a dick, but damn does it get tiring after a decade or so.
You're just in denial Sil, wich is useless.Some people had read the script and the others had read the leaked spoilers from the script, and everything match.
Even that jogger scene with Munn matches.
Dekker never said it's fake.It's all true.
Dekker was asked to say that the script was fake.
So Dekker said that it was fake.
Dekker was just being a bit cheeky. ;D
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 04, 2017, 02:57:08 PM
Dekker was asked to say that the script was fake.
So Dekker said that it was fake.
Dekker was just being a bit cheeky. ;D
Dekker can't say it's true, by contract he can't.But he's gonna be called a liar by a lot of people when the truth unfolds.
That's why he just randomly wrote "it's fake" , but it's not the answer to the script question.Really childish.Like his script ideas.
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 04, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
Jogger scene? Was this leaked too? I don't remember this leak other then set photos
This scene introduces the scientist girl character, Casey Bracket.
It's no Predator 2! Doesn't have the dignity of those Jamaican druglords.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 04, 2017, 03:05:13 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 04, 2017, 02:57:08 PM
Dekker was asked to say that the script was fake.
So Dekker said that it was fake.
Dekker was just being a bit cheeky. ;D
Dekker can't say it's true, by contract he can't.But he's gonna be called a liar by a lot of people when the truth unfolds.
That's why he just randomly wrote "it's fake" , but it's not the answer to the script question.Really childish.Like his script ideas.
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 04, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
Jogger scene? Was this leaked too? I don't remember this leak other then set photos
This scene introduces the scientist girl character, Casey Bracket.
I know that, but I'm asking if that part of the script was leaked about her scene, I haven't seen any of those leaks
Just the first day pictures on social media with her dog
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 04, 2017, 03:10:30 PM
It's no Predator 2! Doesn't have the dignity of those Jamaican druglords.
You don't understand, Predator 2 is manly. Predator 2 lifts weights and this new Predator movie likes the color pink.
I could go on and on with my issues with that movie. Danny Glover is a talented actor but I don't know why they cast a guy who always looks like he's a breath away from a massive stroke (performance-wise) to fight the Predator, and the "Jamaican druglords"/post-apocalyptic shit in the 'late 90s' was so instantly cartoonish and dated. There was a wave of movies at that time where '1997' was supposed to be like the end of civilization. Instead we just got the Spice Girls.
Yes. They should've gotten Mel Gibson if they were truly serious. It also didn't expand or deepen, it just provided more carnage. There are several scenes of big groups of people dying and it's ridiculous.
I know it's pointless but I'm gonna keep messaging Shane Black to urge him to remove the
Spoiler
human spine injections to become stronger
thing.
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Predators as hunters is one of the coolest aspects about them. I'm so surprised the moment from a dark horse comic where we see a man aiming to shoot a lion for sport with a predator ready to shoot him for the same reason has never been adapted to a predator film!
I'll tweet Shane Black everyday haha. Sounds like Fox is giving him more control than usual for this kind of franchise so why would he make such a, in my opinion, damaging change to a great film icon? It'll make this film not part of the cannon to so many people.
Everything else in the leaked info I'm fine with
Spoiler
maybe not spider predators and predators working for the government
After seeing the kid in the film ROOM (great film with great acting) I'm happy with him in the film and his role will be as good as the execution by the director.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 04, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
'1997' was supposed to be like the end of civilization. Instead we just got the Spice Girls.
same thing.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 04, 2017, 03:05:13 PM
Really childish.Like his script ideas.
Goes hand in hand with a franchise based on adolescent ideas of what tough soldiers look like.
There are still noble Predators who hunt to challenge and improve themselves, I believe (in part due to another acquisition previously mentioned). But the film is about more than them, though it does feature them.
A
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stargazer merc
just popped up on IMDb
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 04, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
Goes hand in hand with a franchise based on adolescent ideas of what tough soldiers look like.
They were mercenaries not soldiers at the moment.
Spoiler
What is the predator working for the government going to be wearing? A labcoat?
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 09, 2017, 12:33:48 AM
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What is the predator working for the government going to be wearing? A labcoat?
What a silly question. He'll clearly end up wearing a MAGA hat and t-shirt.
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Apr 09, 2017, 01:46:17 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 09, 2017, 12:33:48 AM
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What is the predator working for the government going to be wearing? A labcoat?
What a silly question. He'll clearly end up wearing a MAGA hat and t-shirt.
:laugh:
Spoiler
"Hey, uh, our project manager for the spider predator program is going to be out this weekend, so we need you to work a double-shift on Saturday Mr. Hunter."
*Predator roars*
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 04, 2017, 11:33:32 PM
There are still noble Predators who hunt to challenge and improve themselves, I believe (in part due to another acquisition previously mentioned). But the film is about more than them, though it does feature them.
There is no hunting in this movie.
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 09, 2017, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Apr 09, 2017, 01:46:17 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 09, 2017, 12:33:48 AM
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What is the predator working for the government going to be wearing? A labcoat?
What a silly question. He'll clearly end up wearing a MAGA hat and t-shirt.
:laugh:
Spoiler
"Hey, uh, our project manager for the spider predator program is going to be out this weekend, so we need you to work a double-shift on Saturday Mr. Hunter."
*Predator roars*
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He then goes ape shit and tears out that poor fellows spine. Thus, bringing about an end to the Trump administration's secret refugee and Yautja labor programs.
Admittedly, I feel pretty lost with regard to what this movie is even about —yeah, I get that the "leaked" synopsis maybe gives us something to look forward to (or maybe not), but even at that the overall point of the story is missing.
I came here because I took a survey a few days ago and the survey was about reviewing the script of the new Predator movie. This script is basically the same with some changes. In the survey they were asking what was good or bad and would make me watch or not watch. So I'm hoping they are still able to rework the script. That's what I'm hoping.
Spoiler
The changes from the script posted that I got in my survey
- They are in Mexico not Cuba. McKenna is sniping some big cartel guy and is alone when the Predator ship crashes (and ruins his shot) He wakes up (the crash explosion knocks him out) finds the predator and predator tech alone. He goes looking for his team and finds they are all killed (by other predators it seems). And the CIA/Army comes in a helicopter and he hides (He overhears them talking - basically they know about predators (and them hunting humans) and are there to stop take predators out). McKenna runs away, sends the helmet and weapon/tech button back home. He tries to report what happened, is thought crazy and then arrested. (the script summary specifically says that when black op military people go crazy, they get jailed because they can't be in society) So he is sent to jail with other crazy military people.
- The little kid is a genius who knows 4 languages and is bullied. (no mention of autism in this version) His mother is trying to get him hyped up for Halloween by picking a costume. He's not into it. He ends up going to open up his dad's box.
- Casey the scientist is also in the know about Predators. She's been researching them and found out that Predators have some human DNA in them. and Predators are now messing with their own DNA to make them stronger and better hunters. She hears about McKenna's story, then asks for McKenna to be brought to her lab. Since he was on a transport already, they just bus him and his looney military prison mates at once. He goes into the lab and is shown the "dead" predator he found. turns out he was just faking it and breaks out, but not before McKenna makes a break for it along with his prisonmates. They rescue Casey along the way as the predator kills his way out at the same time. All headed towards McKenna's home as he sent the Predator tech there.
- Robbie attracts the attention of other predators because he messes with the Predator Tech gear and it interferes with the tech gear of another predators navigational equipment. Yes he does learn the language of the Predators.
- Robbie ends up wearing the mask and tech as his halloween costume and accidentally blows up someone's house (I think it was the bullys but can't remember) he is horrified and runs to hide in the baseball dugout of their local park.
- McKenna busts into his ex wife's house looking for his stuff and realizes that Robbie took it. He and the ex military prisoners and casey run out looking for him.
- They find him at the dug out... then predator dogs approach and corner Robbie .... They find Robbie and Robbie is saved by the small predator (the one McKenna found)... then that Predator turns around to find the bigger predator (he was cloaked/invisible) and the small predator protects all the humans (specifically says the predator is protecting the humans) fighting with the bigger predator. McKenna and company escape with Robbie.
That's all the script summary they gave me. It was a good chunk focused on this kid Robbie and mixed inbetween the action stuff in Mexico.
Some of the questions they asked about what I wanted to see more of
- Robbie learning to use the alien tech
- McKenna and Robbie relationship as they work together to save the world
- Mckenna and Casey working together
- The group of witty loony prisoners joking around
- More about the predator vs other predator wars
- More about predators manipulating DNA to enhance themselves.
- More about predators using alien tech
- References to the previous movies
- More action
- More witty dialogue
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 10:14:57 PM
I came here because I took a survey a few days ago and the survey was about reviewing the script of the new Predator movie. This script is basically the same with some changes. In the survey they were asking what was good or bad and would make me watch or not watch. So I'm hoping they are still able to rework the script. That's what I'm hoping.
Spoiler
The changes from the script posted that I got in my survey
- They are in Mexico not Cuba. McKenna is sniping some big cartel guy and is alone when the Predator ship crashes (and ruins his shot) He wakes up (the crash explosion knocks him out) finds the predator and predator tech alone. He goes looking for his team and finds they are all killed (by other predators it seems). And the CIA/Army comes in a helicopter and he hides (He overhears them talking - basically they know about predators (and them hunting humans) and are there to stop take predators out). McKenna runs away, sends the helmet and weapon/tech button back home. He tries to report what happened, is thought crazy and then arrested. (the script summary specifically says that when black op military people go crazy, they get jailed because they can't be in society) So he is sent to jail with other crazy military people.
- The little kid is a genius who knows 4 languages and is bullied. (no mention of autism in this version) His mother is trying to get him hyped up for Halloween by picking a costume. He's not into it. He ends up going to open up his dad's box.
- Casey the scientist is also in the know about Predators. She's been researching them and found out that Predators have some human DNA in them. and Predators are now messing with their own DNA to make them stronger and better hunters. She hears about McKenna's story, then asks for McKenna to be brought to her lab. Since he was on a transport already, they just bus him and his looney military prison mates at once. He goes into the lab and is shown the "dead" predator he found. turns out he was just faking it and breaks out, but not before McKenna makes a break for it along with his prisonmates. They rescue Casey along the way as the predator kills his way out at the same time. All headed towards McKenna's home as he sent the Predator tech there.
- Robbie attracts the attention of other predators because he messes with the Predator Tech gear and it interferes with the tech gear of another predators navigational equipment. Yes he does learn the language of the Predators.
- Robbie ends up wearing the mask and tech as his halloween costume and accidentally blows up someone's house (I think it was the bullys but can't remember) he is horrified and runs to hide in the baseball dugout of their local park.
- McKenna busts into his ex wife's house looking for his stuff and realizes that Robbie took it. He and the ex military prisoners and casey run out looking for him.
- They find him at the dug out... then predator dogs approach and corner Robbie .... They find Robbie and Robbie is saved by the small predator (the one McKenna found)... then that Predator turns around to find the bigger predator (he was cloaked/invisible) and the small predator protects all the humans (specifically says the predator is protecting the humans) fighting with the bigger predator. McKenna and company escape with Robbie.
That's all the script summary they gave me. It was a good chunk focused on this kid Robbie and mixed inbetween the action stuff in Mexico.
Some of the questions they asked about what I wanted to see more of
- Robbie learning to use the alien tech
- McKenna and Robbie relationship as they work together to save the world
- Mckenna and Casey working together
- The group of witty loony prisoners joking around
- More about the predator vs other predator wars
- More about predators manipulating DNA to enhance themselves.
- More about predators using alien tech
- References to the previous movies
- More action
- More witty dialogue
How did you get the opportunity to be surveyed about the script?
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Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 10:14:57 PM
I came here because I took a survey a few days ago and the survey was about reviewing the script of the new Predator movie. This script is basically the same with some changes. In the survey they were asking what was good or bad and would make me watch or not watch. So I'm hoping they are still able to rework the script. That's what I'm hoping.
Spoiler
The changes from the script posted that I got in my survey
- They are in Mexico not Cuba. McKenna is sniping some big cartel guy and is alone when the Predator ship crashes (and ruins his shot) He wakes up (the crash explosion knocks him out) finds the predator and predator tech alone. He goes looking for his team and finds they are all killed (by other predators it seems). And the CIA/Army comes in a helicopter and he hides (He overhears them talking - basically they know about predators (and them hunting humans) and are there to stop take predators out). McKenna runs away, sends the helmet and weapon/tech button back home. He tries to report what happened, is thought crazy and then arrested. (the script summary specifically says that when black op military people go crazy, they get jailed because they can't be in society) So he is sent to jail with other crazy military people.
- The little kid is a genius who knows 4 languages and is bullied. (no mention of autism in this version) His mother is trying to get him hyped up for Halloween by picking a costume. He's not into it. He ends up going to open up his dad's box.
- Casey the scientist is also in the know about Predators. She's been researching them and found out that Predators have some human DNA in them. and Predators are now messing with their own DNA to make them stronger and better hunters. She hears about McKenna's story, then asks for McKenna to be brought to her lab. Since he was on a transport already, they just bus him and his looney military prison mates at once. He goes into the lab and is shown the "dead" predator he found. turns out he was just faking it and breaks out, but not before McKenna makes a break for it along with his prisonmates. They rescue Casey along the way as the predator kills his way out at the same time. All headed towards McKenna's home as he sent the Predator tech there.
- Robbie attracts the attention of other predators because he messes with the Predator Tech gear and it interferes with the tech gear of another predators navigational equipment. Yes he does learn the language of the Predators.
- Robbie ends up wearing the mask and tech as his halloween costume and accidentally blows up someone's house (I think it was the bullys but can't remember) he is horrified and runs to hide in the baseball dugout of their local park.
- McKenna busts into his ex wife's house looking for his stuff and realizes that Robbie took it. He and the ex military prisoners and casey run out looking for him.
- They find him at the dug out... then predator dogs approach and corner Robbie .... They find Robbie and Robbie is saved by the small predator (the one McKenna found)... then that Predator turns around to find the bigger predator (he was cloaked/invisible) and the small predator protects all the humans (specifically says the predator is protecting the humans) fighting with the bigger predator. McKenna and company escape with Robbie.
That's all the script summary they gave me. It was a good chunk focused on this kid Robbie and mixed inbetween the action stuff in Mexico.
Some of the questions they asked about what I wanted to see more of
- Robbie learning to use the alien tech
- McKenna and Robbie relationship as they work together to save the world
- Mckenna and Casey working together
- The group of witty loony prisoners joking around
- More about the predator vs other predator wars
- More about predators manipulating DNA to enhance themselves.
- More about predators using alien tech
- References to the previous movies
- More action
- More witty dialogue
Spoiler
If these scripts are true then I'm confused on what the main act of this film is. What is the middle, and largest part, of the story dealing with? Is the Mexico stuff at the start and the Robbie stuff at the end? What's the main character doing for the main chunk of the film apart from being captured?
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 11, 2017, 10:35:29 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 10:14:57 PM
I came here because I took a survey a few days ago and the survey was about reviewing the script of the new Predator movie. This script is basically the same with some changes. In the survey they were asking what was good or bad and would make me watch or not watch. So I'm hoping they are still able to rework the script. That's what I'm hoping.
Spoiler
The changes from the script posted that I got in my survey
- They are in Mexico not Cuba. McKenna is sniping some big cartel guy and is alone when the Predator ship crashes (and ruins his shot) He wakes up (the crash explosion knocks him out) finds the predator and predator tech alone. He goes looking for his team and finds they are all killed (by other predators it seems). And the CIA/Army comes in a helicopter and he hides (He overhears them talking - basically they know about predators (and them hunting humans) and are there to stop take predators out). McKenna runs away, sends the helmet and weapon/tech button back home. He tries to report what happened, is thought crazy and then arrested. (the script summary specifically says that when black op military people go crazy, they get jailed because they can't be in society) So he is sent to jail with other crazy military people.
- The little kid is a genius who knows 4 languages and is bullied. (no mention of autism in this version) His mother is trying to get him hyped up for Halloween by picking a costume. He's not into it. He ends up going to open up his dad's box.
- Casey the scientist is also in the know about Predators. She's been researching them and found out that Predators have some human DNA in them. and Predators are now messing with their own DNA to make them stronger and better hunters. She hears about McKenna's story, then asks for McKenna to be brought to her lab. Since he was on a transport already, they just bus him and his looney military prison mates at once. He goes into the lab and is shown the "dead" predator he found. turns out he was just faking it and breaks out, but not before McKenna makes a break for it along with his prisonmates. They rescue Casey along the way as the predator kills his way out at the same time. All headed towards McKenna's home as he sent the Predator tech there.
- Robbie attracts the attention of other predators because he messes with the Predator Tech gear and it interferes with the tech gear of another predators navigational equipment. Yes he does learn the language of the Predators.
- Robbie ends up wearing the mask and tech as his halloween costume and accidentally blows up someone's house (I think it was the bullys but can't remember) he is horrified and runs to hide in the baseball dugout of their local park.
- McKenna busts into his ex wife's house looking for his stuff and realizes that Robbie took it. He and the ex military prisoners and casey run out looking for him.
- They find him at the dug out... then predator dogs approach and corner Robbie .... They find Robbie and Robbie is saved by the small predator (the one McKenna found)... then that Predator turns around to find the bigger predator (he was cloaked/invisible) and the small predator protects all the humans (specifically says the predator is protecting the humans) fighting with the bigger predator. McKenna and company escape with Robbie.
That's all the script summary they gave me. It was a good chunk focused on this kid Robbie and mixed inbetween the action stuff in Mexico.
Some of the questions they asked about what I wanted to see more of
- Robbie learning to use the alien tech
- McKenna and Robbie relationship as they work together to save the world
- Mckenna and Casey working together
- The group of witty loony prisoners joking around
- More about the predator vs other predator wars
- More about predators manipulating DNA to enhance themselves.
- More about predators using alien tech
- References to the previous movies
- More action
- More witty dialogue
How did you get the opportunity to be surveyed about the script?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
$$ sites and it was a random survey that I happened to get. I actually left out some stuff that I read because I don't want to get in trouble.
Cuba (or Mexico if you prefer) is at the start. Most of the movie takes place in suburban America focusing on Holbrook, Munn and Tremblay's characters along with the soldiers Holbrook hooks up with.
There is a cartel involved in the opening in the Cuba scene I read. I don't recall any mention of a baseball dugout, but who knows. The alleged Mexico setting, a dugout and the claim that the character is no longer autistic are the only changes I see from the script I read or the leaked bullet points which have been out for months.
I'd like to give this claim the benefit of the doubt but I frankly don't buy that there is a 'survey' of the script at all, let alone that that would be used on random sites on the Internet to try and make changes to a film in progress. Further, those exact bullet points have leaked before. And his name is not Robbie (at least it wasn't in the script I read), but it has been listed as such before in past leaks from fans.
Of course that's all very hypocritical coming from me, another rando on the Internet who claims to have read the script. But hey, it is what it is.
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 11, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 10:14:57 PM
I came here because I took a survey a few days ago and the survey was about reviewing the script of the new Predator movie. This script is basically the same with some changes. In the survey they were asking what was good or bad and would make me watch or not watch. So I'm hoping they are still able to rework the script. That's what I'm hoping.
Spoiler
The changes from the script posted that I got in my survey
- They are in Mexico not Cuba. McKenna is sniping some big cartel guy and is alone when the Predator ship crashes (and ruins his shot) He wakes up (the crash explosion knocks him out) finds the predator and predator tech alone. He goes looking for his team and finds they are all killed (by other predators it seems). And the CIA/Army comes in a helicopter and he hides (He overhears them talking - basically they know about predators (and them hunting humans) and are there to stop take predators out). McKenna runs away, sends the helmet and weapon/tech button back home. He tries to report what happened, is thought crazy and then arrested. (the script summary specifically says that when black op military people go crazy, they get jailed because they can't be in society) So he is sent to jail with other crazy military people.
- The little kid is a genius who knows 4 languages and is bullied. (no mention of autism in this version) His mother is trying to get him hyped up for Halloween by picking a costume. He's not into it. He ends up going to open up his dad's box.
- Casey the scientist is also in the know about Predators. She's been researching them and found out that Predators have some human DNA in them. and Predators are now messing with their own DNA to make them stronger and better hunters. She hears about McKenna's story, then asks for McKenna to be brought to her lab. Since he was on a transport already, they just bus him and his looney military prison mates at once. He goes into the lab and is shown the "dead" predator he found. turns out he was just faking it and breaks out, but not before McKenna makes a break for it along with his prisonmates. They rescue Casey along the way as the predator kills his way out at the same time. All headed towards McKenna's home as he sent the Predator tech there.
- Robbie attracts the attention of other predators because he messes with the Predator Tech gear and it interferes with the tech gear of another predators navigational equipment. Yes he does learn the language of the Predators.
- Robbie ends up wearing the mask and tech as his halloween costume and accidentally blows up someone's house (I think it was the bullys but can't remember) he is horrified and runs to hide in the baseball dugout of their local park.
- McKenna busts into his ex wife's house looking for his stuff and realizes that Robbie took it. He and the ex military prisoners and casey run out looking for him.
- They find him at the dug out... then predator dogs approach and corner Robbie .... They find Robbie and Robbie is saved by the small predator (the one McKenna found)... then that Predator turns around to find the bigger predator (he was cloaked/invisible) and the small predator protects all the humans (specifically says the predator is protecting the humans) fighting with the bigger predator. McKenna and company escape with Robbie.
That's all the script summary they gave me. It was a good chunk focused on this kid Robbie and mixed inbetween the action stuff in Mexico.
Some of the questions they asked about what I wanted to see more of
- Robbie learning to use the alien tech
- McKenna and Robbie relationship as they work together to save the world
- Mckenna and Casey working together
- The group of witty loony prisoners joking around
- More about the predator vs other predator wars
- More about predators manipulating DNA to enhance themselves.
- More about predators using alien tech
- References to the previous movies
- More action
- More witty dialogue
Spoiler
If these scripts are true then I'm confused on what the main act of this film is. What is the middle, and largest part, of the story dealing with? Is the Mexico stuff at the start and the Robbie stuff at the end? What's the main character doing for the main chunk of the film apart from being captured?
Spoiler
What I read, it begins with McKenna about snipe in a Mexican jungle. After he finds his dead team mates, it cuts to suburbia with Rory getting bullied. Then cuts back to McKenna being interviewed and determined crazy. Then cuts to Casey and her in the lab being introduced to the weaponry and Traeger wanting her help to stop the predator threat and why the hell predators have human DNA. Cut to suburbs and Rory not wanting the costumes his mom brought and finding his dad's box with the predator gear and the genius quickly figuring out the language. Tinkering with it which brings the other predators attention to him. Cut to Casey and the lab, the breakout by the ex military prisoners and McKenna who are heading up to get his box. Cut to trick or treating scene, encountering the predator dogs, two predators, followed by Rory getting kidnapped by Traeger and McKenna wanting to save his son and his loony military friends accompany him to fight the predator and help him. ....and that's as far as they gave me.
By the way, the survey questionaire and summary calls them loonies. Which is screwed up and offensive as some of them are suppose to have PTSD and that's why they are messed up.
I totally understand you don't buy it. I wouldn't have either until I started doing these surveys for some extra cash.. These surveys are random but the fun ones are about TV shows, trailers for movies, pilots for tv shows and like this one, .
And yeah it is a cartel. Who captured two DEA agents. McKenna is military working to get them back.
His name is Rory. Not Robbie. My mistake.
Also if you read the script and are keeping some stuff back... maybe these details will help in legitimizing what I got in the survey
Spoiler
- kid's name is Rory (I think I put Robbie because I was reading the first recap and it just stuck in my head)
- the suburban area where Rory and his ex wife is in Georgia
- There are two bullies who chase him into the park where he bumps into an old mans chess game. This is the first sign of Rory being special because he had put the game back together quickly. Then Rory goes home to find the package from his dad (doesn't say anything about it being for Rory or if it was just sent there)
- The predator Mckenna finds is 8 feet tall and 500 pounds and sharp teeth with exposed mandible.
- Traegar kidnaps Rory when he realizes Rory can understand the predator language.
I want to clarify they specifically call the ex military people loonies who wisecrack. Thomas Jane, had one question in the survey and is just a member of their team. Which is unfortunate because I was hoping for a bigger role.
Rory has a photographic memory, gets languages and advanced math abilities. They called him a genius in my survey and seemed to make him a big part in taking down the predators.
Well, whatever the validity of the situation there is one minor difference I can spot there and that's it.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 11:03:31 PM
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 11, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 10:14:57 PM
I came here because I took a survey a few days ago and the survey was about reviewing the script of the new Predator movie. This script is basically the same with some changes. In the survey they were asking what was good or bad and would make me watch or not watch. So I'm hoping they are still able to rework the script. That's what I'm hoping.
Spoiler
The changes from the script posted that I got in my survey
- They are in Mexico not Cuba. McKenna is sniping some big cartel guy and is alone when the Predator ship crashes (and ruins his shot) He wakes up (the crash explosion knocks him out) finds the predator and predator tech alone. He goes looking for his team and finds they are all killed (by other predators it seems). And the CIA/Army comes in a helicopter and he hides (He overhears them talking - basically they know about predators (and them hunting humans) and are there to stop take predators out). McKenna runs away, sends the helmet and weapon/tech button back home. He tries to report what happened, is thought crazy and then arrested. (the script summary specifically says that when black op military people go crazy, they get jailed because they can't be in society) So he is sent to jail with other crazy military people.
- The little kid is a genius who knows 4 languages and is bullied. (no mention of autism in this version) His mother is trying to get him hyped up for Halloween by picking a costume. He's not into it. He ends up going to open up his dad's box.
- Casey the scientist is also in the know about Predators. She's been researching them and found out that Predators have some human DNA in them. and Predators are now messing with their own DNA to make them stronger and better hunters. She hears about McKenna's story, then asks for McKenna to be brought to her lab. Since he was on a transport already, they just bus him and his looney military prison mates at once. He goes into the lab and is shown the "dead" predator he found. turns out he was just faking it and breaks out, but not before McKenna makes a break for it along with his prisonmates. They rescue Casey along the way as the predator kills his way out at the same time. All headed towards McKenna's home as he sent the Predator tech there.
- Robbie attracts the attention of other predators because he messes with the Predator Tech gear and it interferes with the tech gear of another predators navigational equipment. Yes he does learn the language of the Predators.
- Robbie ends up wearing the mask and tech as his halloween costume and accidentally blows up someone's house (I think it was the bullys but can't remember) he is horrified and runs to hide in the baseball dugout of their local park.
- McKenna busts into his ex wife's house looking for his stuff and realizes that Robbie took it. He and the ex military prisoners and casey run out looking for him.
- They find him at the dug out... then predator dogs approach and corner Robbie .... They find Robbie and Robbie is saved by the small predator (the one McKenna found)... then that Predator turns around to find the bigger predator (he was cloaked/invisible) and the small predator protects all the humans (specifically says the predator is protecting the humans) fighting with the bigger predator. McKenna and company escape with Robbie.
That's all the script summary they gave me. It was a good chunk focused on this kid Robbie and mixed inbetween the action stuff in Mexico.
Some of the questions they asked about what I wanted to see more of
- Robbie learning to use the alien tech
- McKenna and Robbie relationship as they work together to save the world
- Mckenna and Casey working together
- The group of witty loony prisoners joking around
- More about the predator vs other predator wars
- More about predators manipulating DNA to enhance themselves.
- More about predators using alien tech
- References to the previous movies
- More action
- More witty dialogue
Spoiler
If these scripts are true then I'm confused on what the main act of this film is. What is the middle, and largest part, of the story dealing with? Is the Mexico stuff at the start and the Robbie stuff at the end? What's the main character doing for the main chunk of the film apart from being captured?
Spoiler
What I read, it begins with McKenna about snipe in a Mexican jungle. After he finds his dead team mates, it cuts to suburbia with Rory getting bullied. Then cuts back to McKenna being interviewed and determined crazy. Then cuts to Casey and her in the lab being introduced to the weaponry and Traeger wanting her help to stop the predator threat and why the hell predators have human DNA. Cut to suburbs and Rory not wanting the costumes his mom brought and finding his dad's box with the predator gear and the genius quickly figuring out the language. Tinkering with it which brings the other predators attention to him. Cut to Casey and the lab, the breakout by the ex military prisoners and McKenna who are heading up to get his box. Cut to trick or treating scene, encountering the predator dogs, two predators, followed by Rory getting kidnapped by Traeger and McKenna wanting to save his son and his loony military friends accompany him to fight the predator and help him. ....and that's as far as they gave me.
By the way, the survey questionaire and summary calls them loonies. Which is screwed up and offensive as some of them are suppose to have PTSD and that's why they are messed up.
I totally understand you don't buy it. I wouldn't have either until I started doing these surveys for some extra cash.. These surveys are random but the fun ones are about TV shows, trailers for movies, pilots for tv shows and like this one, .
And yeah it is a cartel. Who captured two DEA agents. McKenna is military working to get them back.
His name is Rory. Not Robbie. My mistake.
Also if you read the script and are keeping some stuff back... maybe these details will help in legitimizing what I got in the survey
Spoiler
- kid's name is Rory (I think I put Robbie because I was reading the first recap and it just stuck in my head)
- the suburban area where Rory and his ex wife is in Georgia
- There are two bullies who chase him into the park where he bumps into an old mans chess game. This is the first sign of Rory being special because he had put the game back together quickly. Then Rory goes home to find the package from his dad (doesn't say anything about it being for Rory or if it was just sent there)
- The predator Mckenna finds is 8 feet tall and 500 pounds and sharp teeth with exposed mandible.
- Traegar kidnaps Rory when he realizes Rory can understand the predator language.
I want to clarify they specifically call the ex military people loonies who wisecrack. Thomas Jane, had one question in the survey and is just a member of their team. Which is unfortunate because I was hoping for a bigger role.
Rory has a photographic memory, gets languages and advanced math abilities. They called him a genius in my survey and seemed to make him a big part in taking down the predators.
I know you're not lying paperhearts.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 12, 2017, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 11:03:31 PM
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 11, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 11, 2017, 10:14:57 PM
I came here because I took a survey a few days ago and the survey was about reviewing the script of the new Predator movie. This script is basically the same with some changes. In the survey they were asking what was good or bad and would make me watch or not watch. So I'm hoping they are still able to rework the script. That's what I'm hoping.
Spoiler
The changes from the script posted that I got in my survey
- They are in Mexico not Cuba. McKenna is sniping some big cartel guy and is alone when the Predator ship crashes (and ruins his shot) He wakes up (the crash explosion knocks him out) finds the predator and predator tech alone. He goes looking for his team and finds they are all killed (by other predators it seems). And the CIA/Army comes in a helicopter and he hides (He overhears them talking - basically they know about predators (and them hunting humans) and are there to stop take predators out). McKenna runs away, sends the helmet and weapon/tech button back home. He tries to report what happened, is thought crazy and then arrested. (the script summary specifically says that when black op military people go crazy, they get jailed because they can't be in society) So he is sent to jail with other crazy military people.
- The little kid is a genius who knows 4 languages and is bullied. (no mention of autism in this version) His mother is trying to get him hyped up for Halloween by picking a costume. He's not into it. He ends up going to open up his dad's box.
- Casey the scientist is also in the know about Predators. She's been researching them and found out that Predators have some human DNA in them. and Predators are now messing with their own DNA to make them stronger and better hunters. She hears about McKenna's story, then asks for McKenna to be brought to her lab. Since he was on a transport already, they just bus him and his looney military prison mates at once. He goes into the lab and is shown the "dead" predator he found. turns out he was just faking it and breaks out, but not before McKenna makes a break for it along with his prisonmates. They rescue Casey along the way as the predator kills his way out at the same time. All headed towards McKenna's home as he sent the Predator tech there.
- Robbie attracts the attention of other predators because he messes with the Predator Tech gear and it interferes with the tech gear of another predators navigational equipment. Yes he does learn the language of the Predators.
- Robbie ends up wearing the mask and tech as his halloween costume and accidentally blows up someone's house (I think it was the bullys but can't remember) he is horrified and runs to hide in the baseball dugout of their local park.
- McKenna busts into his ex wife's house looking for his stuff and realizes that Robbie took it. He and the ex military prisoners and casey run out looking for him.
- They find him at the dug out... then predator dogs approach and corner Robbie .... They find Robbie and Robbie is saved by the small predator (the one McKenna found)... then that Predator turns around to find the bigger predator (he was cloaked/invisible) and the small predator protects all the humans (specifically says the predator is protecting the humans) fighting with the bigger predator. McKenna and company escape with Robbie.
That's all the script summary they gave me. It was a good chunk focused on this kid Robbie and mixed inbetween the action stuff in Mexico.
Some of the questions they asked about what I wanted to see more of
- Robbie learning to use the alien tech
- McKenna and Robbie relationship as they work together to save the world
- Mckenna and Casey working together
- The group of witty loony prisoners joking around
- More about the predator vs other predator wars
- More about predators manipulating DNA to enhance themselves.
- More about predators using alien tech
- References to the previous movies
- More action
- More witty dialogue
Spoiler
If these scripts are true then I'm confused on what the main act of this film is. What is the middle, and largest part, of the story dealing with? Is the Mexico stuff at the start and the Robbie stuff at the end? What's the main character doing for the main chunk of the film apart from being captured?
Spoiler
What I read, it begins with McKenna about snipe in a Mexican jungle. After he finds his dead team mates, it cuts to suburbia with Rory getting bullied. Then cuts back to McKenna being interviewed and determined crazy. Then cuts to Casey and her in the lab being introduced to the weaponry and Traeger wanting her help to stop the predator threat and why the hell predators have human DNA. Cut to suburbs and Rory not wanting the costumes his mom brought and finding his dad's box with the predator gear and the genius quickly figuring out the language. Tinkering with it which brings the other predators attention to him. Cut to Casey and the lab, the breakout by the ex military prisoners and McKenna who are heading up to get his box. Cut to trick or treating scene, encountering the predator dogs, two predators, followed by Rory getting kidnapped by Traeger and McKenna wanting to save his son and his loony military friends accompany him to fight the predator and help him. ....and that's as far as they gave me.
By the way, the survey questionaire and summary calls them loonies. Which is screwed up and offensive as some of them are suppose to have PTSD and that's why they are messed up.
I totally understand you don't buy it. I wouldn't have either until I started doing these surveys for some extra cash.. These surveys are random but the fun ones are about TV shows, trailers for movies, pilots for tv shows and like this one, .
And yeah it is a cartel. Who captured two DEA agents. McKenna is military working to get them back.
His name is Rory. Not Robbie. My mistake.
Also if you read the script and are keeping some stuff back... maybe these details will help in legitimizing what I got in the survey
Spoiler
- kid's name is Rory (I think I put Robbie because I was reading the first recap and it just stuck in my head)
- the suburban area where Rory and his ex wife is in Georgia
- There are two bullies who chase him into the park where he bumps into an old mans chess game. This is the first sign of Rory being special because he had put the game back together quickly. Then Rory goes home to find the package from his dad (doesn't say anything about it being for Rory or if it was just sent there)
- The predator Mckenna finds is 8 feet tall and 500 pounds and sharp teeth with exposed mandible.
- Traegar kidnaps Rory when he realizes Rory can understand the predator language.
I want to clarify they specifically call the ex military people loonies who wisecrack. Thomas Jane, had one question in the survey and is just a member of their team. Which is unfortunate because I was hoping for a bigger role.
Rory has a photographic memory, gets languages and advanced math abilities. They called him a genius in my survey and seemed to make him a big part in taking down the predators.
I know you're not lying paperhearts.
Well thanks. I was just appalled at what I read during the survey. I knew a predator movie was in the works but not the details. I actually went back to see if I could screencap the summary and I was able to do it. I probably won't post here again but I have no problem sending the screencaps to an Admin here. I don't know which one is most active and reads spoilers. So if you can point them out to me, I'll send it to them and they can give out the info in their own words. I'd rather not be connected to it and not have the screen cap shared (I care more about being banned from future surveys).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 11, 2017, 11:50:33 PM
Well, whatever the validity of the situation there is one minor difference I can spot there and that's it.
I actually corrected myself before you even mentioned it (It was a response to another poster where I correctly called him RORY). Robbie stuck in my head because I was reading the first recap to see what was different from what I had. But you should check out the other stuff. But even before you mentioned that Robbie was the wrong name, I had it correct in a different post. Brain fart I guess.
So basically all the predators are now... biohackers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biohacking
The positive thing is they've noticed the overall negativity and maybe will try to fix certain things during the filming.
That's why it's useful to display your discontentment before it's too late.To be continued.
FOX's fear about certain elements of the film might just make this into something completely generic....
in that case.. why bother?
Either go nuts or go home. :P
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 12, 2017, 03:14:43 AM
The positive thing is they've noticed the overall negativity and maybe will try to fix certain things during the filming.
That's not necessarily what this process is. What he describes -
if legit - sounds like a more broadbased marketing research firm thing which applies to a ton of materials, not one specific project being targeted. I've never heard of this being done with the public and an active script while a film is in production. It's not impossible, but it also sounds like the script if used just one of many properties in some sort of larger aggregation effort with many movies, pilots and projects. Reshoots or changes would come later if it test screens badly during much more specialized previews.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 12, 2017, 12:14:26 AM
I actually corrected myself before you even mentioned it (It was a response to another poster where I correctly called him RORY). Robbie stuck in my head because I was reading the first recap to see what was different from what I had. But you should check out the other stuff. But even before you mentioned that Robbie was the wrong name, I had it correct in a different post. Brain fart I guess.
I checked it out, which is why I specifically said I could only find one other small difference in addition to the other slight ones I mentioned before. So either you're legit or someone you know is, fair enough, man.
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Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 12, 2017, 03:14:43 AM
The positive thing is they've noticed the overall negativity and maybe will try to fix certain things during the filming.
That's not necessarily what this process is.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 12, 2017, 12:14:26 AM
What strikes me is how much it takes from Super Predator concept from early Predators draft. Peculiar, considering how despised it was back in the day.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 04:48:13 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 12, 2017, 03:14:43 AM
The positive thing is they've noticed the overall negativity and maybe will try to fix certain things during the filming.
That's not necessarily what this process is.
Yes, I'm aware of the text you failed to properly quote. I'm saying that's unlikely to be the case, despite his impression - that's not how these things happen once in progress, not at the script stage. Based on his comments, if true, what he's been working with seems like more of an overall market research thing on a variety of products - not something targeting Predator for changes.
Quote from: Master on Apr 12, 2017, 02:24:08 PM
What strikes me is how much it takes from Super Predator concept from early Predators draft. Peculiar, considering how despised it was back in the day.
That's what came to mind when all these script leaks happened, I was here for that back in the day, and no one was into it, same as now. My exact thought was "oh god not this shit again".
Quote from: Master on Apr 12, 2017, 02:24:08 PM
What strikes me is how much it takes from Super Predator concept from early Predators draft. Peculiar, considering how despised it was back in the day.
The studio must think our good old predators are ridiculous nowadays and don't impress anybody.They never learn.
Something interesting from the survey is
Spoiler
that the hybrid predator wears more armour pieces than usual, wich fits to the concept art that twitter guy supposedly saw, that predator concept art with more bones (for DNA related purpose, I guess) more armour pieces and a dark green helmet
I haven't looked at it in awhile, but IIRC
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the hybrid/Upgrade's skin is its armor. Which is not to say it was unclothed because I don't believe it was, but it was definitely stronger than the classic Predator. It may simply be a question of how its skin looks armored in the new design, or Black/Dekker may have decided to alter the look.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 12, 2017, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 12, 2017, 02:24:08 PM
What strikes me is how much it takes from Super Predator concept from early Predators draft. Peculiar, considering how despised it was back in the day.
The studio must think our good old predators are ridiculous nowadays and don't impress anybody.They never learn.
Something interesting from the survey is Spoiler
that the hybrid predator wears more armour pieces than usual, wich fits to the concept art that twitter guy supposedly saw, that predator concept art with more bones (for DNA related purpose, I guess) more armour pieces and a dark green helmet
A good looking Predator can still hopefully save the DNA sucking Super Predator idea...
It occurred to me but could
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them using human DNA to alter themselves explain their very humanoid appearance?
I mean, what are the odds that an alien life form would be so similar to us in body shape? Maybe slightly humanoid or bipedal, but looking at the Predator's musculature and their very human five fingered hands and rather similar foot structure, this does add some credence to the idea at least.
Sure they could've convergently evolved to coincidentally look like us, I always liked that idea too, but this DNA manipulation just gave me that thought.
Our bodies are perfectly designed not only to be excellent endurance hunters but also to live in a technological society. So I can see why the Predators would covet our nature.
This is of course assuming that they used our DNA to morph into a humanoid shape (if those Spider Predators are taken into account, having used a different species to be whatever they are... which begs the question of what their very original form is?)
IIRC that idea is not in the mix. But you never know, just in terms of theory.
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In the script it's said the larger motive behind the 'bad' Predators trying to take our DNA - though they apparently upgrade themselves with all the optimum prey from different worlds - is because they want to be able to conquer and acclimate to Earth, abandoning their own dying homeworld and taking ours. By contrast, the nefarious black ops agents in the story also decide that gaining control of the Predators' hybridization tech is not a bad idea for humanity - using it to upgrade select 'important' humans who could then survive the ravages of climate change disaster yet to come.
I wonder why
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they'd need to do that seeing as there's 400 billion star systems in the galaxy and lots of Earth like worlds have been discovered. Plus the details you shared says that they've discovered life on other worlds which they used to hybridise themselves so there's other life bearing worlds already.
They don't really need to bother with ours.
What does the script say about "good" Predators? I remember hearing there's some working with the government.
I assume it's about
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relative proximity and certain conditions, but I'm not sure it's said either way. Their world is 'cooling' while ours is warming - they mean to take it and hybridizing themselves with human DNA allows them to acclimate. I can't recall if there is a distinction made as to why they simply seem to hybridize to upgrade themselves/their strengths for other worlds, but there is at least a faction of the 'classic' Predators which feels it's gone too far, hence the 'hero' Predator in the script. As it's said in the script, their M.O. has changed and there is 'dissension in the ranks'.
The other classic/'hero' Predators who show up later are housed at a government base - they 'defected' and contacted humans in order to alert them to the 'cold war' going on. They're allowed out at night to hunt. They communicate via a crude translation device.
There were rumors of
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Area 51 and Florida as locations in the story. Can you confirm, deny?
I can confirm.
Solid.
Hope the film isnt affected by budget cuts.
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Turning one of the most distinct s-f plots into another generic alien invasion. Good God what a let down.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 07:19:19 PM
I assume it's about Spoiler
relative proximity and certain conditions, but I'm not sure it's said either way. Their world is 'cooling' while ours is warming - they mean to take it and hybridizing themselves with human DNA allows them to acclimate. I can't recall if there is a distinction made as to why they simply seem to hybridize to upgrade themselves/their strengths for other worlds, but there is at least a faction of the 'classic' Predators which feels it's gone too far, hence the 'hero' Predator in the script. As it's said in the script, their M.O. has changed and there is 'dissension in the ranks'.
The other classic/'hero' Predators who show up later are housed at a government base - they 'defected' and contacted humans in order to alert them to the 'cold war' going on. They're allowed out at night to hunt. They communicate via a crude translation device.
Spoiler
thank you for sharing. I can see why you've earned the sentiment in your signature. You should have written the details of the first leak. Perhaps then the fanboys would have reacted more positively...
Not too long ago a Russian site leaked details of the script and the google translation of it gives a relatively good sense of the plot. It also specially mentions google translate itself lol. Is this "crude translation device" by any means it or a form of it?"
There is no direct mention of Google Translate that I can recall.
Also:
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It's Area 52, not 51.
Are you sure
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it's not
Area 69?
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Ok, I'll see myself out before the tomato throwing begins. :laugh:
Quote from: Master on Apr 12, 2017, 07:58:49 PM
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Turning one of the most distinct s-f plots into another generic alien invasion. Good God what a let down.
Yup, a huge letdown.I knew we got screwed up when they mentioned Spielberg as a source of inspiration, also
funny detail when Ebert made his crappy review of P2 he mentioned "It is not related to the gentle beings who came to visit us in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind."
There is a child protagonist (among other leads) and an adventure related to beings from outer space. But the similarities are pretty superficial. For example, Spielberg had a few less disembowelments in E.T.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 09:23:54 PM
There is a child protagonist (among other leads) and an adventure related to beings from outer space. But the similarities are pretty superficial. For example, Spielberg had a few less disembowelments in E.T.
The similarities are not superficial since
Spoiler
the preds help the humans out
.
Yes, E.T. also disembowled people and used heavy weaponry. Same thing, really.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 12, 2017, 10:56:12 PM
Yes, E.T. also disembowled people and used heavy weaponry. Same thing, really.
E.T was friendly that's my point.There are also other similarities.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 12, 2017, 11:39:13 PM
E.T was friendly that's my point.There are also other similarities.
K
Ebert on the predator in Predator 2: "All he does... is kill!"
He wasn't very impressed, and thankfully we're going to get the predators doing more than that in this movie.
Frankly I think we've all evolved by now to where we want to see them doing other things. You know, I hate AvP, but I've grown to really enjoy the team-up aspect.
Yeah, just like in the next Friday the 13th sequel I want to see Jason team up with teenagers ::)
I'm a girl, not a guy by the way.
And I sent the screenshots of the summary to an Admin.
Also, like I pointed out in my first posts, it was a survey. It's definitely marketing. I do alot of them, mostly food, financial services, beauty products, and sometimes I get these fun ones.
I already PMed someone here who asked about the site. If you want it, PM me. Maybe you'll get accepted and take the Predator survey too.
There was only one merchandising question in the entire survey. The rest of the questions were about the storyline, characters (especially Rory), relationships, storyline concepts, rating, director, and my opinions on it, what I liked most, what was most interesting/innovative along with explaining why I felt a certain way. And my answers were mainly negative. The way it was presented was like it was an upcoming movie that was in the works. I had no idea they started filming until I came here. They gave no indication it was already filming for months. So I'm really surprised on that part.
And they asked about my opinion on Arnold. Which also made me think he was going to be in this movie.
I have no idea if what I (and others who took the survey) will have any effect on the movie. Atomic Blonde trailer definitely was changed that fit my opinions (but I have no idea if they fixed the horrible fight scenes). And a horrible TNT pilot that I gave really horrible reviews, is still going to air.
So I do agree that there probably isn't much they can do if its already filmed. But who knows, maybe they'll chop the kid's part in half and eliminate the whole kidnapping BS and leave a real action ending if the whole movie isn't filmed.
There is a real action ending. And they didn't chop his part.
I'm still open to the idea of the story but it's all down to the execution.
Super Preds, Pred dogs, spider Preds, Preds working with humans... The CGI/practical effects/acting is going to have to be top quality to pull this off and not look like a direct to DVD movie.
I mean, I'm pretty sure they've thrown a lot more money at it than Predators.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 04:17:46 AM
There is a real action ending. And they didn't chop his part.
I responded to those that PMed.
I'm just saying that from what I read, the purpose of running to save a boy genius, who will eventually help with his genius to take down the predators, from an evil military guy, is not a real action ending to me. Sure they said that they will fight the predators after they saved the boy, but from what I read, they already spent way too much time on the kid. And what a waste to make Yvonne just the ex wife and Munn's main description as Casey as being really smart and sarcastic. Both have actual training in fighting (at least for tv/film) so it's not like they aren't capable. And that's exactly what I responded to them. We just have different ideas on what would please us and for me, I found the Rory the genius crap really lame.
I'm just posting what I got and know from my own minimal experience in how the surveys result. I have zero knowledge about the in workings of this movie or if any of the responses from the survey will have an impact. For all I know the entire survey was to see if they could profit from selling Rory action figures at Target. Hell, maybe they interviewed a bunch of people that totally love the script summary and want them to create their own Marvel franchise but with Rory and the nice mutated Predators doing the Professor Xavier and Mutant roles as they fight the other Predators/Mutants. :D
Right,or cut some of the kid role save it replace to Arnold and bigger part.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 02:54:44 PM
I'm just saying that from what I read, the purpose of running to save a boy genius, who will eventually help with his genius to take down the predators, from an evil military guy, is not a real action ending to me.
Did you read the ending? I did. The character is involved but the ending is not what you describe nor does it lack for action.
QuoteSure they said that they will fight the predators after they saved the boy, but from what I read, they already spent way too much time on the kid. And what a waste to make Yvonne just the ex wife and Munn's main description as Casey as being really smart and sarcastic. Both have actual training in fighting (at least for tv/film) so it's not like they aren't capable.
Munn's character fights plenty, trust me. And I like Yvonne Strahovski a lot but I don't think she is ready for a major film role in
Predator. Her character is supporting cast.
Quote from: Keith on Apr 13, 2017, 12:57:43 AM
Yeah, just like in the next Friday the 13th sequel I want to see Jason team up with teenagers ::)
Yes please, actually.
So if there's no Predator main hunt in this movie is the main Pred just going to go on a random killing spree during the last act to kill afew characters off?...
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 03:50:56 PM
Munn's character fights plenty, trust me. And I like Yvonne Strahovski a lot but I don't think she is ready for a major film role in Predator. Her character is supporting cast.
Munn's character is the most badass and powerful of the script, wich is a problem in my book.
I can't tolerate that
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she rips spinal cords while the preds don't
.
There is a lot of spine-ripping in the script, actually. Mostly from Predators.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
Munn's character is the most badass and powerful of the script, wich is a problem in my book.
I can't tolerate that Spoiler
she rips spinal cords while the preds don't
How does a human achieve that?
The creature in question is
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a) not a normal Predator but a mutant thing, could be the size of a dog, I'm really not sure and b) is mortally wounded and dismembered.
Any proper spine-ripping (and there is a fair bit) is done by Predators.
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Fact is the preds don't rip spinal cords whileshe does.It's symlbolic and I hate that idea.
I've read the script. Predators rip spines in it.
Are the predator dogs supposed to be the same as the ones from Predators ?
I doubt it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 08:03:22 PM
I've read the script. Predators rip spines in it.
Tell me about it.
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Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Glad you like it , for me it still sounds like crap and I hope script was revised and severely rewritten. I'd like it to be more grounded, adult s-f and less, I don't know , Power Rangers?
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
Who said "sucking"?
This whole entire script???
This is sooooo bad.
This Predator another example of what happens when you try to be too smart with a franchise. Ruined.
This is the Facebook/Twitter etc. generation of a Predator movie, "EVERYTHING, NOW!!!" I give Black credit. He knows his "new" audience and is giving them what they want. The studio will make a ton of money on this garbage and we'll never EVER have a true Dutch/predator Sequel.
Don't ever forget what you loved...
-Bad-azz crew goes into the Jungle, let by a bad azz dude (Dutch).
-Rescue Hostages
-Encounter "something bad azz"
Simple concepts. Now you guys are excited for Predator Spiders????? F-ck me. RIP Predator.
You never know. You may like it.
It will be a shame if the predator dogs aren't the same as what we have seen before.
You guys realize you got Predator Dogs, Predator Birds....
Predator Planet, Super Predator, Mutliple Predators, etc...
Hasn't worked yet.
And now you are cheering on this script, which offers just that....that which has not worked.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 13, 2017, 08:39:01 PM
You never know. You may like it.
It will be a shame if the predator dogs aren't the same as what we have seen before.
the shame is that there actually were predator dogs.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
Tell me about it.
Uh, sure. Predators rip (among other methods) spines in the movie. Done.
You want me to quote it chapter and verse to 'prove it' to you, sorry, I'm not gonna do that. Predators still take spines in this movie. Anyone who told you otherwise about this was misinformed. Sorry.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
This is hilariously outraged and I'm considering putting it in my sig.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 13, 2017, 08:44:15 PM
Don't ever forget what you loved...
-Bad-azz crew goes into the Jungle, let by a bad azz dude (Dutch).
-Rescue Hostages
-Encounter "something bad azz"
I don't think you have to forget what you loved about the movie from 1987 to enjoy one doing something different in 2018. Xeroxing the movie is not going to be a hit, it would just be a remake.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 13, 2017, 08:44:15 PM
You guys realize you got Predator Dogs, Predator Birds....
Predator Planet, Super Predator, Mutliple Predators, etc...
Hasn't worked yet.
And now you are cheering on this script, which offers just that....that which has not worked.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 13, 2017, 08:39:01 PM
You never know. You may like it.
It will be a shame if the predator dogs aren't the same as what we have seen before.
the shame is that there actually were predator dogs.
I liked them.
So keeping the roots of The original Pred....and adding new "reasonable" without going over-board (aka Super Pred, Pred Spiders, Pred Dogs etc..) elements would be a Xerox????
I've literally proposed better scripts in this forum. That would be 1000 times better of a movie than this garbage script, which has many of the exact same elements of previous "bombs" (Predators, AVP's) Your "formula" has been done and proven to be incorrect. We need to go back to the old formula/roots and Black is missing his chance.
The old formula was done on
Predators. It flopped.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 13, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
I've literally proposed better scripts in this forum.
K
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:01:02 PM
The old formula was done on Predators. It flopped.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 13, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
I've literally proposed better scripts in this forum.
K
Other then the Jungle. What part of the old formula was used for Predators? Super Pred???? Pred Dogs, Pred Planet? Pred Birds? Other creatures on the planet?? I'm lost.
I'm understanding the "formula" in Predator was the "hunt"/cat and mouse element combined with the slow burn of revealing Predator. Etc.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
Tell me about it.
Uh, sure. Predators rip (among other methods) spines in the movie. Done.
You want me to quote it chapter and verse to 'prove it' to you, sorry, I'm not gonna do that. Predators still take spines in this movie. Anyone who told you otherwise about this was misinformed. Sorry.
Tell me the page number and i'll double check my source.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Tell me the page number and i'll double check my source.
Yeah, I'm not doing that, firstly because I'm working right now and I don't have the script in front of me at the moment, and second because I'm not a trained seal who performs on demand and won't be doing that regardless. What I will say is it happens at least twice courtesy of the Predators, maybe more, I can't recall for sure. If your source doesn't know that they're either misremembering (which happens), have some other draft (which I doubt), or simply don't have the script.
You don't buy it, nothing I can (or rather, will) do about it. If I cared about attention I would - I don't.
The hate is strong for this movie already - even before a trailer hits. This movie probably doesn't stand a chance with the fans but as mentioned it will cater towards the current generation of casual movie fans.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Tell me the page number and i'll double check my source.
Yeah, I'm not doing that, firstly because I'm working right now and I don't have the script in front of me at the moment, and second because I'm not a trained seal who performs on demand and won't be doing that regardless. What I will say is it happens at least twice courtesy of the Predators, maybe more, I can't recall for sure. If your source doesn't know that they're either misremembering (which happens), have some other draft (which I doubt), or simply don't have the script.
You don't buy it, nothing I can (or rather, will) do about it. If I cared about attention I would - I don't.
It's impossible because the predators don't hunt in this movie.The spinal cord ripping is only talked about by human characters.
I think you've got a phony draft.
The plot formula that made the 87 Predator movie is the standard for the majority of action movies before it and after it. Still succeeds now. But I have no problem with them adding new elements, more complex storylines, if done right.
And from everything I've learned so far especially from here, it's not being done right. It's completely over the top and completely bastardizes the original formula by going 200% in every element. They decided to add not just dogs but other animals and hybrids that are suppose to be "scarier". We got not one predator but another bigger advanced one who is covered from head to toe in impenetrable armor. They kept the group of military bad asses to fight the Predators, but then purposely focused on giving them alot of "dirty jokes" and wisecracking lines. Even Casey gets a character identifier as "sarcastic". And no, I'm not convinced Casey gets to be kicking ass because she can take a spinal cord out of a dead hybrid. I'm sure she'll also use her super intelligence as a biologist to figure out in a few days what scientists in the Stargazer program didn't in years. (which I have to say is typical suspension of belief in these movies, but they keep piling on the OTT)
Then there's the kid which is my biggest beef. While I only saw him described as boy genius, if the whole autistic element is true, then they are continuing to overuse the current trend of the last 5 years of characters with the TV interpretation of Asperger's. You know the Sheldon's from Big Bang Theory. Super smart beyond anyone's understanding but socially awkward to get the aww factor and legitmize being a genius.
And while I'm actually okay and even interested in the idea that the Predators are experimenting with species DNA to make them stronger or creating hunting pets, if they are actually sucking DNA out of bodies and getting some instant Hulk effect, COME ON!
There's changing for a better direction and then there's tossing every trope they can think of and upping it 200% to cover up a weak storyline.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 09:22:23 PM
It's impossible because the predators don't hunt in this movie.The spinal cord ripping is only talked about by human characters.
You're right, they don't hunt - nonetheless spines are ripped, by Predators. They can do that without being on a hunt, because the Predators in the film are on Earth for a specific non-hunt purpose. And yes, spinal cord ripping is talked about a great deal.
QuoteI think you've got a phony draft.
You're wrong. Your friend is misinformed or misremembering.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
And from everything I've learned so far especially from here, it's not being done right. It's completely over the top and completely bastardizes the original formula by going 200% in every element
I disagree.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
We got not one predator but another bigger advanced one who is covered from head to toe in impenetrable armor.
That's definitely never happened in a Predator movie before.
QuoteThey kept the group of military bad asses to fight the Predators, but then purposely focused on giving them alot of "dirty jokes" and wisecracking lines.
Also never happened in the original movie, at all. BTW, they still kick ass.
QuoteAnd no, I'm not convinced Casey gets to be kicking ass
Women are not allowed to kick ass?
QuoteThen there's the kid which is my biggest beef. While I only saw him described as boy genius, if the whole autistic element is true, then they are continuing to overuse the current trend of the last 5 years of characters with the TV interpretation of Asperger's. You know the Sheldon's from Big Bang Theory. Super smart beyond anyone's understanding but socially awkward to get the aww factor and legitmize being a genius.
Autistic characters are not allowed. He's not Sheldon, BTW.
QuoteAnd while I'm actually okay and even interested in the idea that the Predators are experimenting with species DNA to make them stronger or creating hunting pets, if they are actually sucking DNA out of bodies and getting some instant Hulk effect, COME ON!
It's been a few since I checked it but I do not recall a Predator hulking out off a DNA smoothie as you describe.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
I disagree.
Well yeah, I got that. lol
I'm just completely pessimistic after what I read. And while I didn't read anything about spinal cords ripping, I did read the Predator (the good one) actually beheads a scientist, rips off his arm to use his fingerprints to exit the lab. So the beginning of the movie sounds the most like a Predator movie....before they get to the suburbs.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:40:18 PM
And while I didn't read anything about spinal cords ripping, I did read the Predator (the good one) actually beheads a scientist, rips off his arm to use his fingerprints to exit the lab. So the beginning of the movie sounds the most like a Predator movie....before they get to the suburbs.
Then you know there is plenty more after that.
BTW, if you read pages but didn't get the finale, how do you know what Casey does or doesn't do? The act some posters are upset about happens near the very end.
Lol you people got the "formula" in 2010 and didn't like it.
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 13, 2017, 09:22:02 PM
The hate is strong for this movie already - even before a trailer hits. This movie probably doesn't stand a chance with the fans but as mentioned it will cater towards the current generation of casual movie fans.
Lol 12 close minded fanboys on this website won't make a dent.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
I disagree.
Well yeah, I got that. lol
I'm just completely pessimistic after what I read. And while I didn't read anything about spinal cords ripping, I did read the Predator (the good one) actually beheads a scientist, rips off his arm to use his fingerprints to exit the lab. So the beginning of the movie sounds the most like a Predator movie....before they get to the suburbs.
I saw Predators. So I know there was a more advanced one before. But they specifically say this one is covered head to toe in impenetrable armor. In Predators they weren't Iron Man clones. And the crew in 87 Predator movie were funny. Again, you missed the point I was making about taking the original elements and upping it 200% for this movie.
And WTF did I say women can't kick ass? I want them to, I'm saying I don't believe she actually will. You are misreading.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:46:05 PM
And the crew in 87 Predator movie were funny. Again, you missed the point I was making about taking the original elements and upping it 200% for this movie.
And I don't see what's wrong with upgrading (eyyy) the elements in 2018.
QuoteAnd WTF did I say women can't kick ass? I want them to, I'm saying I don't believe she actually will. You are misreading.
Believe it or not, it's happening.
Also: I still don't understand the logic that there can't possibly be spines ripped by Predators in this movie just because they're not on a hunt. What? Predators can rip out dudes' spines anytime they want. And they do, in this movie! Although technically, IIRC the first Predator who rips a spine out in this movie
is on a specialized hunt, so...
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 13, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Lol you people got the "formula" in 2010 and didn't like it.
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 13, 2017, 09:22:02 PM
The hate is strong for this movie already - even before a trailer hits. This movie probably doesn't stand a chance with the fans but as mentioned it will cater towards the current generation of casual movie fans.
Lol 12 close minded fanboys on this website won't make a dent.
Well I liked Predators and am a RR fan along with being a big fan of the actors in it. I'm no super fan but the information makes me want to watch this on Netflix, not go out and pay $25 for a movie ticket. At least not until my area gets some quality theaters that serve alcohol. lol
Also: I would check what you read again. The upgraded Predator is not covered in impenetrable armor. The script makes a point of mentioning that. Its 'armor' is different.
Still curious how you know about Casey in the finale since IIRC, you said you did not have the pages for the ending.
Speedy, I don't know if you are purposely misreading or what.
But I said in that same paragraph you are quoting bit by bit that I don't mind changing it up. As long as it's good. And for me, just going full on cheese of elements isn't good. There's a way to make Predators better, different, create a new direction for the franchise and I just don't think this is it.
I have no idea about if there are spines or not so that comment shouldn't be directed to me.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:52:05 PM
But I said in that same paragraph you are quoting bit by bit that I don't mind changing it up. As long as it's good. And for me, just going full on cheese of elements isn't good. There's a way to make Predators better, different, create a new direction for the franchise and I just don't think this is it.
That's fair enough, we can disagree. I'm just curious why you mentioned Casey ripping a spine out of something specific when that doesn't happen until the very end in pages you said you weren't privvy to in the script you were given. If it's just a guess or if you're going by what I said that's fair enough too (and also, the creature is not dead). And again: the upgraded Predator is not wearing impenetrable armor.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
Also: I would check what you read again. The upgraded Predator is not covered in impenetrable armor. The script makes a point of mentioning that. Its 'armor' is different.
Still curious how you know about Casey in the finale since IIRC, you said you did not have the pages for the ending.
Dude when did I say anything about Casey in the finale? I said I don't believe she is getting some big kick ass role as you described. You are misrepresenting and misreading every sentence I posted so you can argue. I'm not by the way. Just posting how I disagree how great this movie is.... on speculation of what I read and what was posted here. We good?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:52:05 PM
But I said in that same paragraph you are quoting bit by bit that I don't mind changing it up. As long as it's good. And for me, just going full on cheese of elements isn't good. There's a way to make Predators better, different, create a new direction for the franchise and I just don't think this is it.
That's fair enough, we can disagree. I'm just curious why you mentioned Casey ripping a spine out of something specific when that doesn't happen until the very end in pages you said you weren't privvy to in the script you were given. If it's just a guess or if you're going by what I said that's fair enough too (and also, the creature is not dead). And again: the upgraded Predator is not wearing impenetrable armor.
How is the hybrid predator mask ?
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:56:20 PM
Dude when did I say anything about Casey in the finale? I said I don't believe she is getting some big kick ass role as you described. You are misrepresenting and misreading every sentence I posted so you can argue.
I'm honestly not trying to do that. You mentioned Casey doing something that only happens in the finale and how you don't buy it, which is what confused me as to what you actually did or didn't read from that part of the script. I'm just trying to understand that. If you're talking about it because you're going by inference from what I said a page or two ago about that scene then that's fine, we were misreading each other - no harm no foul.
And again: No Predator is wearing impenetrable armor in the script.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 09:58:30 PM
How is the hybrid predator mask ?
"It didn't need a mask."
You want a direct quote, you got it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:56:20 PM
Dude when did I say anything about Casey in the finale? I said I don't believe she is getting some big kick ass role as you described. You are misrepresenting and misreading every sentence I posted so you can argue.
I'm honestly not trying to do that. You mentioned Casey doing something that only happens in the finale and how you don't buy it, which is what confused me as to what you actually did or didn't read from that part of the script. I'm just trying to understand that. If you're talking about it because you're going by inference from what I said a page or two ago about that scene then that's fine, we were misreading each other - no harm no foul.
And again: No Predator is wearing impenetrable armor in the script.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 09:52:05 PM
But I said in that same paragraph you are quoting bit by bit that I don't mind changing it up. As long as it's good. And for me, just going full on cheese of elements isn't good. There's a way to make Predators better, different, create a new direction for the franchise and I just don't think this is it.
That's fair enough, we can disagree. I'm just curious why you mentioned Casey ripping a spine out of something specific when that doesn't happen until the very end in pages you said you weren't privvy to in the script you were given. If it's just a guess or if you're going by what I said that's fair enough too (and also, the creature is not dead). And again: the upgraded Predator is not wearing impenetrable armor.
Simple. because you keep misreading not me. I've already posted a few times and in that exact paragraph that I was posting about stuff I got and read here.
" And no, I'm not convinced Casey gets to be kicking ass because she can take a spinal cord out of a dead hybrid. "
That's what I said. It was in reply to a comment you and another started a few posts above. That doesn't make her kick ass to me if she is doing that. It's an opinion. I'm not stating fact.
And the impenetrable armor bit was in my survey.
At the dugout the predator shoots him twice with his laser cannon and nothing happens because his entire body is made of impenetrable armor. They have to escape because the smaller predator is no match for him.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:03:55 PM
That's what I said. It was in reply to a comment you and another started a few posts above. That doesn't make her kick ass to me if she is doing that. It's an opinion. I'm not stating fact.
Fair enough.
QuoteAnd the impenetrable armor bit was in my survey.
The survey was poorly worded then, because as I've said and as you just enumerated in the rest of your latest post, the Upgrade is specifically mentioned (in the actual script) to
not have impenetrable armor. Just very tough skin. Consider that maybe I'm not misreading you as much as you are sometimes misspeaking. Or you remember the survey better than the script.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:03:55 PM
That's what I said. It was in reply to a comment you and another started a few posts above. That doesn't make her kick ass to me if she is doing that. It's an opinion. I'm not stating fact.
Fair enough.
QuoteAnd the impenetrable armor bit was in my survey.
The survey was poorly worded then, because as I've said and as you just enumerated in the rest of your latest post, the Upgrade is specifically mentioned to not have impenetrable armor. Just very tough skin. Consider that maybe I'm not misreading you as much as you are sometimes misspeaking. Or you remember the survey better than the script.
I'm gonna drop it. I'm over it as long as you actually read what was posted before replying to it in pieces.
I screencapped the summary. You are right it doesn't say impenetrable. That was the survey question. But in the summary it says ARMOR. "The large Predator's entire body is made of armor" And he gets shot twice with the plasma cannon. Nothing happens. " The smaller predator distracts the larger predator so the team can escape, but is no match for the upgraded creature. McKenna is stunned; why did the Predator protect them"
the "" are actual quotes from the summary
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:11:46 PM
I screencapped the summary. You are right it doesn't say impenetrable. That was the survey question. But in the summary it says ARMOR. "The large Predator's entire body is made of armor" And he gets shot twice with the plasma cannon. Nothing happens. " The smaller predator distracts the larger predator so the team can escape, but is no match for the upgraded creature. McKenna is stunned; why did the Predator protect them"
the "" are actual quotes from the summary
Yeah, you're talking about a summary which seems a bit off. I'm talking about the script. That's the issue here. The script makes it very clear the Upgrade is not wearing armor because it doesn't need it. I was under the impression you'd read it.
How do people get these scripts?
Anyway, to the people that have read it, did you like it?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:11:46 PM
I screencapped the summary. You are right it doesn't say impenetrable. That was the survey question. But in the summary it says ARMOR. "The large Predator's entire body is made of armor" And he gets shot twice with the plasma cannon. Nothing happens. " The smaller predator distracts the larger predator so the team can escape, but is no match for the upgraded creature. McKenna is stunned; why did the Predator protect them"
the "" are actual quotes from the summary
Yeah, you're talking about a summary which seems a bit off. I'm talking about the script. That's the issue here. The script makes it very clear the Upgrade is not wearing armor because it doesn't need it. I was under the impression you'd read it.
Don't see how you got that impression when I've been explicit that I only took a survey that gave me a summary of about 3/4 of the movie. I never claimed or am playing I know anymore than that. Anything else is from reading what all of you who seem to have scripts posted.
It may be off, I'm not defending it, just what I got, but I just took this survey less than a week ago. So either they changed the initial script you guys have, or are pushing this version to sell it better. Which I don't think is helping them at all. impenetrable and full armor makes this upgrade sound like a Marvel movie villain.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
Don't see how you got that impression when I've been explicit that I only took a survey that gave me a summary of about 3/4 of the movie. I never claimed or am playing I know anymore than that. Anything else is from reading what all of you who seem to have scripts posted.
It may be off, I'm not defending it, just what I got, but I just took this survey less than a week ago. So either they changed the initial script you guys have, or are pushing this version to sell it better. Which I don't think is helping them at all. impenetrable and full armor makes this upgrade sound like a Marvel movie villain.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood. But I do think the OP you made a couple days ago suggested you had read a large portion of the actual script and were then surveyed about it. If you just read a survey with a synopsis that's a different story and I think you can understand my legitimate confusion about you being off on some details.
As far as the Upgrade is concerned your survey just has the wording wrong - it is not in full armor at all. The script makes that very explicit. IIRC the only real differences between what you read and what I have are minor things that are location-based.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
Don't see how you got that impression when I've been explicit that I only took a survey that gave me a summary of about 3/4 of the movie. I never claimed or am playing I know anymore than that. Anything else is from reading what all of you who seem to have scripts posted.
It may be off, I'm not defending it, just what I got, but I just took this survey less than a week ago. So either they changed the initial script you guys have, or are pushing this version to sell it better. Which I don't think is helping them at all. impenetrable and full armor makes this upgrade sound like a Marvel movie villain.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood. But I do think the OP you made a couple days ago suggested you had read a large portion of the actual script and were then surveyed about it. If you just read a survey with a synopsis that's a different story and I think you can understand my legitimate confusion about you being off on some details.
As far as the Upgrade is concerned your survey just has the wording wrong - it is not in full armor at all. The script makes that very explicit. IIRC the only real differences between what you read and what I have are minor things that are location-based.
The OP I made was very clear. For your quick recap: I initially posted explaining specifically what I got and how, followed by what was different from the original post that started this thread to the stuff I got in the survey. It wasn't some paragraph summary. It was a summary of the scenes up until McKenna breaks free and goes after Traeger to get back his son. I was very clear that I got some changes from what others got and the questions they asked me which were not about merchandising but specifically about the storyline, characters, character relationships, especially my opinions on Rory, what I thought, if I would watch, the rating, Shane Black, why I hated certain concepts, etc... which made it seem like they hadn't started filming and were testing the script.
And I come here and find out that they already started filming. Complete shame.
And in case anyone is wondering, my review and opinions were extremely negative. In case you didn't get my feelings from the previous posts here. :D
Shane Black said he wants "the same sense of wonderment and newness that Close Encounters had when it first came out." and that "it doesn't have to be fifty Predators riding motorcycles. It just has to feel like a powerful story that has a lot of flavors and textures." (According to an article I saw anyway)
I feel like this won't be as crazy on screen as it sounds. These days every franchise film is a marvel film (like the new Ghostbusters looked more like a marvel film than a Ghostbusters film in my opinion and the same for Jurassic World compared to Jurassic Park) but even though Shane Black done a Marvel film, it sounds like he does want this to be a more grounded film which would be cool.
Also,
Spoiler
I hope the film will have the Halloween aspect throughout especially in the suburban parts. Should be fun visually.
Halloween is definitely in effect.
I just think there are too many flavors and textures. That's my gripe. I still liked the other Predator movies (to varying degrees).
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If they focused on the military angle with the scientists finding out these Predators have been messing with DNA and some have human DNA, along with the Predator vs Predator war/clashes... that's fine. Tossing in a boy genius, the suburbs, his kidnapping and rescue... just creates a whole other side story that isn't needed.
And if you think about it... what exactly does the kid side story add to future Predator movies in this new direction in the franchise? Rory turns 16 and nice Predator helps him get a date to prom?
He's cool.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
I just think there are too many flavors and textures. That's my gripe. I still liked the other Predator movies (to varying degrees).
Spoiler
If they focused on the military angle with the scientists finding out these Predators have been messing with DNA and some have human DNA, along with the Predator vs Predator war/clashes... that's fine. Tossing in a boy genius, the suburbs, his kidnapping and rescue... just creates a whole other side story that isn't needed.
And if you think about it... what exactly does the kid side story add to future Predator movies in this new direction in the franchise? Rory turns 16 and nice Predator helps him get a date to prom?
I'm excited by the boys storyline mainly because I loved his performance in "Room" (I know this doesn't mean anything about how good his character will be in this film, but still) which makes it look like he was picked for his proven ability to do a serious performance (I'm not sure if "Room" was released when he was cast though). Plus this is Fox giving Black more(?) creative freedom than most franchises normally get. Humour and Predator wars aside, I feel if this film is grounded and has a story treated with some gravitas and not a CGI fest it will be a pretty good film. Thanks Deadpool and Logan giving studios confidence in R-Rated films again.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
I just think there are too many flavors and textures. That's my gripe. I still liked the other Predator movies (to varying degrees).
Spoiler
If they focused on the military angle with the scientists finding out these Predators have been messing with DNA and some have human DNA, along with the Predator vs Predator war/clashes... that's fine. Tossing in a boy genius, the suburbs, his kidnapping and rescue... just creates a whole other side story that isn't needed.
And if you think about it... what exactly does the kid side story add to future Predator movies in this new direction in the franchise? Rory turns 16 and nice Predator helps him get a date to prom?
Lol what does anybody do to any movie?
You are so breathtakingly closeminded. Future movies. Ha. Let's worry about this one movie first.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
Tell me about it.
Uh, sure. Predators rip (among other methods) spines in the movie. Done.
You want me to quote it chapter and verse to 'prove it' to you, sorry, I'm not gonna do that. Predators still take spines in this movie. Anyone who told you otherwise about this was misinformed. Sorry.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
This is hilariously outraged and I'm considering putting it in my sig.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 13, 2017, 08:44:15 PM
Don't ever forget what you loved...
-Bad-azz crew goes into the Jungle, let by a bad azz dude (Dutch).
-Rescue Hostages
-Encounter "something bad azz"
I don't think you have to forget what you loved about the movie from 1987 to enjoy one doing something different in 2018. Xeroxing the movie is not going to be a hit, it would just be a remake.
https://twitter.com/bonafideblack/status/833089045370593281
Defo Predators ripping spines according to this fella 👀
Like I said.
People are entitled to like or dislike what they've heard, but spines definitely get removed by some Predators. This is a hard R action movie.
Can we expect any skinning's in this?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 14, 2017, 12:36:41 AM
Can we expect any skinning's in this?
Spoiler
No skinning
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 13, 2017, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 13, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
I just think there are too many flavors and textures. That's my gripe. I still liked the other Predator movies (to varying degrees).
Spoiler
If they focused on the military angle with the scientists finding out these Predators have been messing with DNA and some have human DNA, along with the Predator vs Predator war/clashes... that's fine. Tossing in a boy genius, the suburbs, his kidnapping and rescue... just creates a whole other side story that isn't needed.
And if you think about it... what exactly does the kid side story add to future Predator movies in this new direction in the franchise? Rory turns 16 and nice Predator helps him get a date to prom?
I'm excited by the boys storyline mainly because I loved his performance in "Room" (I know this doesn't mean anything about how good his character will be in this film, but still) which makes it look like he was picked for his proven ability to do a serious performance (I'm not sure if "Room" was released when he was cast though). Plus this is Fox giving Black more(?) creative freedom than most franchises normally get. Humour and Predator wars aside, I feel if this film is grounded and has a story treated with some gravitas and not a CGI fest it will be a pretty good film. Thanks Deadpool and Logan giving studios confidence in R-Rated films again.
I liked him in Room as well. I'm not questioning the quality in the actors as I like almost all of them. I also loved Lethal Weapon (But hated IM3). But the story is just too hamfisted for me to be gung ho about it and cheer lead that it will be awesome. I prefer practical effects myself. And yes the R rating is a plus and I did love both Deadpool and Logan. That's one thing they definitely got right for this film.
I also mentioned future movies because the survey mentioned future movies and this being the installment of a new franchise with a new direction and my opinion on it.
As for the person calling me closeminded, I'm far from it. I liked the other predator movies despite it not being like the original. Which I even stated before already. But how about keeping it to the topic and not personal. I have yet to call anyone names for not having the same opinion. It's okay if we don't agree.
Oh my god you read a summary, it's not the apocalypse.
All of these story details are only getting me more excited about the film.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 14, 2017, 02:22:36 AM
Oh my god you read a summary, it's not the apocalypse.
All of these story details are only getting me more excited about the film.
Good for you! And the only one who seems to act like there is an apocalypse is you. Why worry about my opinion? I hope you enjoy the movie.
Your opinion is in my line of sight.
I hope you end up enjoying the movie too even if you might not like some elements right now.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 13, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Quote from: Keith on Apr 13, 2017, 12:57:43 AM
Yeah, just like in the next Friday the 13th sequel I want to see Jason team up with teenagers ::)
Yes please, actually.
Sure, have them team up to face the Super Jason. Makes so much sense ::)
Would love it.
Just read all of the stuff which PaperHearts had put up. All I can say is... I hope none of it is true and if it is, I hope a lot of it is dumped out of the final product. That's all I'm going to say. Good night everyone.
I don`t like what I`m seeing either. Lost of generic done-to-the-death stuff and gimmick strange things, more in line with Power Rangers. Peculiar stuff. I don`t really feel it with rest of the franchise.
But it hasn't been done in this franchise so it's New and Exciting.
As exciting as exploding pregnant bellys ::)
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 14, 2017, 04:03:41 AM
Would love it.
yeah, well, most people don't like horse sh*t.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2017, 07:46:25 AM
But it hasn't been done in this franchise so it's New and Exciting.
Lovin' that open mind! ;)
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 13, 2017, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
Tell me about it.
Uh, sure. Predators rip (among other methods) spines in the movie. Done.
You want me to quote it chapter and verse to 'prove it' to you, sorry, I'm not gonna do that. Predators still take spines in this movie. Anyone who told you otherwise about this was misinformed. Sorry.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Sucking DNA to become stronger? What next? Sucking dick?
This is hilariously outraged and I'm considering putting it in my sig.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 13, 2017, 08:44:15 PM
Don't ever forget what you loved...
-Bad-azz crew goes into the Jungle, let by a bad azz dude (Dutch).
-Rescue Hostages
-Encounter "something bad azz"
I don't think you have to forget what you loved about the movie from 1987 to enjoy one doing something different in 2018. Xeroxing the movie is not going to be a hit, it would just be a remake.
I totally agree with you, I love the first Predator from 87, I've probably watched it more times than most people, but I want something different from the original, I want something that is exciting with a twist, that has upgraded weaponry along with some classic weapons. A good backstory and I want to know more about the Predator's survival, I want to see some good fight scenes and great chemistry with the cast
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 14, 2017, 12:40:37 PM
Lovin' that open mind! ;)
An open mind doesn't, or at least shouldn't, mean a naive and ignorant one. It might pay off gangbusters in the movie. It might result in a great film most of us enjoy.
Hopefully, it does. But they're still tired cliches and we may still comment on that fact however we choose with or without your approval :)
I didn't like
Batman Begins and the idea of a 2.5hr sequel filled me with dread. I thought people were praising Ledger because he died and nobody wanted to say a bad word against his performance.
I still went to see
The Dark Knight and I was proved absolutely wrong. I love the film and Ledger deserved the praise he got on release.
Yes, I'm weary of certain concepts. Yes, I'm weary of things I'm hearing. As this is a discussion board, I'm entitled to air that weariness.
But I am more than happy and open to to being proved wrong. I'll pass final judgment when I see the final product. But that doesn't mean I can't say anything until then.
If you can't deal with that, I invite you to use the ignore function.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2017, 12:59:19 PM
An open mind doesn't, or at least shouldn't, mean a naive and ignorant one.
Equating them in this instance sight unseen might be a mistake.
QuoteYes, I'm weary of certain concepts. Yes, I'm weary of things I'm hearing. As this is a discussion board, I'm entitled to air that weariness.
I may have alluded to this before, but being publicly weary a lot sounds awful wearying.
QuoteBut I am more than happy and open to to being proved wrong. I'll pass final judgment when I see the final product. But that doesn't mean I can't say anything until then.
It also doesn't mean you can't color your own opinion to the point that you're not open to it.
But if you are open to it, I'm very glad. You do you. Good luck with the movie.
It's a public discussion board. I don't get worked up in being upset about anything. I see a conversation, I participate, I add my feedback, I move on with my life. If the entire board was just people saying "Well gee this looks interesting let's wait and see" no thread would last past the first page and we'd all be very bored. I'd rather discuss things with people than try to shut them down. We might not agree, but that's kind of the fun of the interaction.
I'm not interested in echo chambers, how about you?
Did I just read the Predators "don't" hunt In this movie? (Shark just jumped) Wow.
I guess it comes down to difference in philosophy. The "formula" (that's worked) as mentioned is the Predator is secondary to the film. He's merely and purely the antagonist, he's the bad-guy. He's not the "lead", he's not the good guy etc. Doesn't "team-up" with other humans to fight, etc...
The situation and evolution we've had beginning with AVP is Predators being the "good" guy or eventually turning into the good guy, actually being rooted for. Becoming the lead actor in a sense. And that's what seems to keep evolving.
The lead character used to be the person you rooted for. Them trying to figure out the Predator, the habits, the mystery, etc...is no longer. It's all about the Pred, their world, their dogs, their tech, their spiders? their enemy (Super Preds, DNA Preds?). Humans are just a tool to progress the Pred story.
So. I'm sorry if that's closed minded. I don't want that, never did. I liked the scenes in Pred and Pred 2....barely seeing him....a far-away shot of him in the trees....Subway scene in Pred 2, lights flickering....(what's he doing now?? what's he up to??? what's next?) Arnold/Dutch looking worried...these tough guys, freaking out I could "feel" that...Now it's about me relating to the Pred??? "Feeling" his story???? Naaaaah...
These Transformers version of Predators, where anything and all is seen, heard, revealed etc...I'm just not a fan of. But they are the lead now, they are the main character now. So, is what it is. I'll rent it.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2017, 01:18:58 PM
I don't get worked up in being upset about anything. I see a conversation, I participate, I add my feedback, I move on with my life.
Me too bb
QuoteI'm not interested in echo chambers, how about you?
...I
really don't think I'm the one advocating for that in the "The Predator" folder. Which is not to say you are.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 14, 2017, 01:59:25 PM
Did I just read the Predators "don't" hunt In this movie? (Shark just jumped) Wow.
That's right. It's not another hunt movie like the last 3 movies over the last thirty years. Sorry.
They do kill and destroy a lot of people, though.
QuoteI guess it comes down to difference in philosophy. The "formula" (that's worked) as mentioned is the Predator is secondary to the film. He's merely and purely the antagonist, he's the bad-guy. He's not the "lead", he's not the good guy etc.
No Predator is the lead in this movie. And even the 'good' ones kill 'innocent' people.
QuoteThe lead character used to be the person you rooted for. Them trying to figure out the Predator, the habits, the mystery, etc...is no longer. It's all about the Pred, their world, their dogs, their tech, their spiders? their enemy (Super Preds, DNA Preds?). Humans are just a tool to progress the Pred story.
You are very misinformed about the actual content of this movie. 95% of the focus is on human characters doing exactly what you talking about - trying to figure out the mystery of the Predators and survive.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2017, 07:46:25 AM
But it hasn't been done in this franchise so it's New and Exciting.
You say that in jest, but it's true. Nothing Shane Black has written has ever really been wholly original. But it's always been damn good.
Just for nostalgic's sake...
Does anyone know what was written for Arnold in the script???
It's been discussed before. He has
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a brief cameo in the final pages which would lead to Dutch playing a major role in future films.
I know it verbatim but I'm not going to discuss that. If you want to know more go back through my posts.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 14, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
It's been discussed before. He has Spoiler
a brief cameo in the final pages which would lead to Dutch playing a major role in future films.
Thanks
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 14, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
It's been discussed before. He has Spoiler
a brief cameo in the final pages which would lead to Dutch playing a major role in future films.
You still didn't tell us which predator rips a spinal cord.But i understand, it doesn't happen in the movie.
Wait a minute. Didn't Shane say "And, just to be clear... PG-13 is for pussies. Spines bleed... a lot." ???
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 14, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 14, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
It's been discussed before. He has Spoiler
a brief cameo in the final pages which would lead to Dutch playing a major role in future films.
You still didn't tell us which predator rips a spinal cord.But i understand, it doesn't happen in the movie.
Predators take spines not once but twice in the script. Your friend either has a summary too or is just a poor reader. Sorry, dude.
And no, I'm not going to tell you which ones take whose or when because I've already said way too much about the plot and specific beats in the last two days arguing with people like you, and I feel bad for spoiling elements of the movie. Thanks for going conveniently silent after challenging me and getting an answer you didn't like yesterday, BTW. But I understand, it's hard to acknowledge I was right.
Quote from: Keith on Apr 14, 2017, 10:51:45 PM
Wait a minute. Didn't Shane say "And, just to be clear... PG-13 is for pussies. Spines bleed... a lot." ???
He did. Predator_Spirit is either deeply misinformed by someone who isn't reading the script well, or he's being lied to. Either way, it's not my responsibility.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 14, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
You still didn't tell us which predator rips a spinal cord.But i understand, it doesn't happen in the movie.
Shane literally said there will be spine ripping in the movie. As opposed to SpeedyMaxx, nobody actually believes you know anything about the movie. You come off as a kid who gets jealous at someone else for having better stories so you make some up like "oh yeah? well my dad once fought a bear with his hands". You obviously haven't read the script and have no idea what you're talking about. Stop pretending.
Is there a Peter Keyes son in the script?
What? No.
So Jake Busey plays a different role(
Most likely. I mean, it's entirely possible they added some son-of-Keyes character for Busey II in a later draft just to be cute, but I really doubt it.
There are no references to the predator 2 in the script?
Quote from: overthere on Apr 14, 2017, 11:01:00 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 14, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
You still didn't tell us which predator rips a spinal cord.But i understand, it doesn't happen in the movie.
Shane literally said there will be spine ripping in the movie. As opposed to SpeedyMaxx, nobody actually believes you know anything about the movie. You come off as a kid who gets jealous at someone else for having better stories so you make some up like "oh yeah? well my dad once fought a bear with his hands". You obviously haven't read the script and have no idea what you're talking about. Stop pretending.
There are plenty of people who believe me and they're right to do so.This is not kindergarten this is Predator, it's serious business.
My only goal is getting a good predator sequel, explain what the movie is about to those who wanna know, and send a message to
the studios, a lot of people don't like this script infos and they're right to express their discontentment.Best case scenario they will make some
fixing, worse case scenario they will ignore us.At least we tried.I don't have much time to waste with blind cheerleaders man.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 14, 2017, 11:50:21 PM
This is not kindergarten this is Predator, it's serious business.
That's my newest sig line, thank you so much.
QuoteMy only goal is getting a good predator sequel, explain what the movie is about to those who wanna know, and send a message to
the studios, a lot of people don't like this script infos and they're right to express their discontentment.Best case scenario they will make some fixing, worse case scenario they will ignore us.At least we tried.
They're making the movie they wanna make, man. It's happening.
You're treating this like it's the Standing Rock pipeline or going to war in Syria. It's just a movie. Like it, don't like it, whatever. Give it a shot when you go see it. It's not life and death.
And BTW, Predators do rip out spines. You don't have to like the movie but I hope eventually you'll acknowledge I was telling you the truth.
Quote from: black on Apr 14, 2017, 11:40:44 PM
There are no references to the predator 2 in the script?
Not in the draft I read. P2 is not that well-regarded.
QuoteMy only goal is getting a good predator sequel,
If you think the movie is going to be terrible and want to send a message, don't see the film. Wallets speak, not Internet messages.
"On the base of a bunch of remaining from the past films of alien weapons" this is from review on script and maybe this is a reference to the predator 2!Was there such a thing in the script?
That is not a sentence, but something like that is in the script, yes.
There is no mention of Predator 2. If you want to believe those weapons are from that movie, go ahead, it's entirely possible.
Mask and spear from city hunter it would be cool!
It goes both ways with how people are reacting, so I don't think anyone should be calling anyone out.
I don't think anyone here can make assurances of what will and won't be onscreen simply because I've seen 3 other versions of what is suppose to be in this movie (from this thread alone). And it's not like people got different versions in the span of 5 years either which, to me, tells me this movie is a mess in terms of script.
And I have to wonder if Black isn't pink paging as he films. (which means we could be getting a very different film from what anyone has posted)
I'm hoping that they are responding to the negative reaction they have gotten from the leaked script, images, and whatever else that has been publicized. If they don't cut or rewrite certain elements, I'm hoping that Black is smart enough to skew away from this script as he is filming. If you guys are right and he has a good deal of autonomy with this film, he will. He could very well limit dialogue and edit out parts of the story that don't work.
That's what I'm hoping for. Because I don't think this movie will flop at all. Just look at the amount of money movies like Underworld 4/5 and Resident Evil movies have made because they are bland enough for a casual viewer. I have no doubt this movie will make money which means we will more than likely get another one that will reflect the elements they pushed in this one (good and bad).
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 15, 2017, 12:50:58 AM
I don't think anyone here can make assurances of what will and won't be onscreen simply because I've seen 3 other versions of what is suppose to be in this movie (from this thread alone). And it's not like people got different versions in the span of 5 years either which, to me, tells me this movie is a mess in terms of script.
I can't make any assurances, but I can say the only differences between what you had synopsized and what I read are minor location swaps (and possibly
Spoiler
Rory potentially no longer being on the autism spectrum
). That's literally it. I've also recently checked the production/set photos threads - everything else there corresponds perfectly to what I read down to the finest detail. It's the opposite of a rewritten mess. So that's not happening.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I've read the script. People who are going by the script that leaked recently and still claiming there's other things in there and telling you something different from what I'm saying are either confused, haven't read it, didn't read it closely enough or are simply being lied to. That's all there is to it.
QuoteThat's what I'm hoping for. Because I don't think this movie will flop at all. Just look at the amount of money movies like Underworld 4/5 and Resident Evil movies have made because they are bland enough for a casual viewer. I have no doubt this movie will make money which means we will more than likely get another one that will reflect the elements they pushed in this one (good and bad).
This script is far from bland. But it is very different. If you don't like it that's your prerogative, but it's not exactly a Happy Meal movie. They're not changing it for you, though. Shane Black and Fred Dekker are making their movie. Sorry. Hope you like it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 15, 2017, 01:10:55 AM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 15, 2017, 12:50:58 AM
I don't think anyone here can make assurances of what will and won't be onscreen simply because I've seen 3 other versions of what is suppose to be in this movie (from this thread alone). And it's not like people got different versions in the span of 5 years either which, to me, tells me this movie is a mess in terms of script.
I can't make any assurances, but I can say the only differences between what you had synopsized and what I read are minor location swaps (and possibly Spoiler
Rory potentially no longer being on the autism spectrum
I can't speak for anyone else, but I've read the script. People who are going by the script that leaked recently and still claiming there's other things in there and telling you something different from what I'm saying are either confused, haven't read it, didn't read it closely enough or are simply being lied to. That's all there is to it.
QuoteThat's what I'm hoping for. Because I don't think this movie will flop at all. Just look at the amount of money movies like Underworld 4/5 and Resident Evil movies have made because they are bland enough for a casual viewer. I have no doubt this movie will make money which means we will more than likely get another one that will reflect the elements they pushed in this one (good and bad).
This script is far from bland. But it is very different. If you don't like it that's your prerogative, but it's not exactly a Happy Meal movie. They're not changing it for you, though. Shane Black and Fred Dekker are making their movie. Sorry. Hope you like it.
I honestly don't care about who is accurate. You keep skewing the conversations that direction but I think are missing the main point from anyone who isn't gung ho about what they read. The arguments are not about who is right. The point is we want what we read or were told to be changed or even be wrong because we didn't like it. I should clarify because I don't speak for anyone else. I am hoping what I've read from all sources to be changed and minimalized because what I read, I didn't like.
So I do hope this is a Black film. Enough so that he fixes as he films. That's the best scenario because I don't think Black is a hack.
And it goes without saying that my opinion is my own. But yeah so far I consider what I read to be more a check list of things that will get the general audience in the seats without being anything remarkable. That's been the trend with Hollywood big movies for a very long time and it doesn't look to be any different for this movie.
By the way anyone who signed up that survey site
There is a movie survey up right now and looks exactly like the number for mine. So see if you can get into it. I disqualified. 18 min with a star by it.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 15, 2017, 01:30:56 AM
I honestly don't care about who is accurate. You keep skewing the conversations that direction but I think are missing the main point from anyone who isn't gung ho about what they read. The arguments are not about who is right.
Y'know, I'd love to believe that but half the conversations I've had about this for the last week have been about who's right, and it wasn't my idea. ;) Oy.
I'm not trying to skew any conversation, I honestly do not care. I'm just trying to add some clarity and address what you're saying about the script being 'chaos' - the point is there's no actual evidence of that. That's it. If you dislike what you read in that summary feel free. Just don't make assertions you can't back up. Everything else, do as you please. Go nuts.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2017, 12:16:14 AM
QuoteMy only goal is getting a good predator sequel,
If you think the movie is going to be terrible and want to send a message, don't see the film. Wallets speak, not Internet messages.
Agreed wallets speak but they do when the movie is released.I try to do things before the script is finished or eventually before and during filming.
This film is going be great.
I love that they are expanding the mythos.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 15, 2017, 01:49:12 PM
Agreed wallets speak but they do when the movie is released.I try to do things before the script is finished or eventually before and during filming.
Why should anyone give a damn what you think a new Predator movie should be about?
Because he is customer? Also you're being rude.
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Because he is customer? Also you're being rude.
You'll get a different opinion from every single one of us, customers. Let's say Predator_Spirit has in his power the possibility to stop or change the production of this movie. Just because he doesn't like what he's heard so far about the movie doesn't mean he knows what a good Predator movie should be about. So he'd take it upon himself to change the movie into something he thinks is good, but is more likely to either be a remake of the original or worse than what Shane is cooking.
Also, he's either making stuff up or has been lied to, because one of his criticism is lack of spine-ripping in the movie, which Shane Black literally confirmed that there will be. SpeedyMaxx seems to have real information about the movie and it's possible he actually has read the script, but then Predator_Spirit comes along and he's supposedly also read the script, but his script version is different and all his concerns come from this random, weird version of a script that SpeedyMaxx knows nothing about.
I think Predator_Spirit is lying, that's why I'm rude.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 15, 2017, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 15, 2017, 01:49:12 PM
Agreed wallets speak but they do when the movie is released.I try to do things before the script is finished or eventually before and during filming.
Why should anyone give a damn what you think a new Predator movie should be about?
Apparently you give a damn since you reply to his posts.
Quote from: Keith on Apr 15, 2017, 05:38:36 PM
Apparently you give a damn since you reply to his posts.
That wasn't a rhetorical question. I'm seriously asking why would anyone care what his version of the movie would be, and what makes it better than Shane's? Because he said he's more interested in stopping or changing the production than not paying for the movie. If he had in his power to change The Predator, what would he have to offer? Why would anyone prefer The Predator by Predator_Spirit over Shane Black?
look up what giving a damn means.
Let's take a step back here, gents. This sub-board is becoming too much like IMDB for my liking and that's not something I care to allow to continue to happen. Can we be a bit more respectful with our disagreements here.
Peace
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Because he is customer? Also you're being rude.
To be honest, and this goes for all of us, we aren't customers until we purchase a ticket. And even then we aren't owed anything other than being able to watch the movie.
I remember that one dude on here that bought an AVPR DVD just to destroy it and flipped it off and took a pic. Fox doesn't care, you gave them their money.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 15, 2017, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Because he is customer? Also you're being rude.
To be honest, and this goes for all of us, we aren't customers until we purchase a ticket. And even then we aren't owed anything other than being able to watch the movie.
I remember that one dude on here that bought an AVPR DVD just to destroy it and flipped it off and took a pic. Fox doesn't care, you gave them their money.
LOL! Yeah, I remember that guy too. I think his name was Phantom.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 15, 2017, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 15, 2017, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Because he is customer? Also you're being rude.
To be honest, and this goes for all of us, we aren't customers until we purchase a ticket. And even then we aren't owed anything other than being able to watch the movie.
I remember that one dude on here that bought an AVPR DVD just to destroy it and flipped it off and took a pic. Fox doesn't care, you gave them their money.
LOL! Yeah, I remember that guy too. I think his name was Phantom.
Kinda like when NWA was on their tour bus and the fans were crushing their cds
Easy-E...they bought em
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I don't think anyone is lying here but I do think they are very misinformed or confused about what they've heard from other people. If posters aren't keen on what they've heard about the script that is their prerogative but I hope they find the movie proves their concerns wrong.
A read somewhere a while back that this was going to be a "detective" style movie. That would've been cool, all for that. Wonder why that rumor was floated...or where it came from?
^ It was never meant to be a "detective story"
But i remember Shane Black mentioning that there's a mystery regarding the Predators that gets solved during the film.
That was all.
I also remember people mentioning detectives being involved and people were speculating that Quinn Mckenna was gonna be a detective before this script leaked.
People were saying that because Black does buddy cop a lot and he mentioned it would have "detective elements". People took it to far and suggested it was just going to be a detective story, which was never said by anyone involved in the movie.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 16, 2017, 04:52:11 AM
People took it to far
As they always, always,
always do.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 16, 2017, 04:15:22 AM
But i remember Shane Black mentioning that there's a mystery regarding the Predators that gets solved during the film.
That was all.
There is. But no, it was never a detective story.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 15, 2017, 09:12:04 PM
I don't think anyone is lying here but I do think they are very misinformed or confused about what they've heard from other people. If posters aren't keen on what they've heard about the script that is their prerogative but I hope they find the movie proves their concerns wrong.
My source owns the same draft you got.maybe we didnt understand each other.
When the main classic pred escapes the lab he does a Simon Phoenix but no Predator is ripping spines.
Shane Black said 'spines bleed a lot' not that preds rips spines.He didnt lie because there are a few gore moments.But no spines ripping from a pred,it happens once and the girl does it. l will get confirmation on monday.
Send me the page number by PM that would help.
^
I'm curious as to what you mean by the Predator doing a "Simon Phoenix", I haven't seen Demolition Man so am unfamiliar. :laugh:
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 16, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 15, 2017, 09:12:04 PM
I don't think anyone is lying here but I do think they are very misinformed or confused about what they've heard from other people. If posters aren't keen on what they've heard about the script that is their prerogative but I hope they find the movie proves their concerns wrong.
My source owns the same draft you got.maybe we didnt understand each other.
When the main classic pred escapes the lab he does a Simon Phoenix but no Predator is ripping spines.
Shane Black said 'spines bleed a lot' not that preds rips spines.He didnt lie because there are a few gore moments.But no spines ripping from a pred,it happens once and the girl does it. l will get confirmation on monday.
Send me the page number by PM that would help.
A human rips a spine out?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 16, 2017, 02:13:37 PM
^
I'm curious as to what you mean by the Predator doing a "Simon Phoenix", I haven't seen Demolition Man so am unfamiliar. :laugh:
My thought on that was using someones eyeball to pass a retinal scanner... Would be a bit weird seeing a Predator do that though
Quote from: Doomofman on Apr 16, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 16, 2017, 02:13:37 PM
^
I'm curious as to what you mean by the Predator doing a "Simon Phoenix", I haven't seen Demolition Man so am unfamiliar. :laugh:
My thought on that was using someones eyeball to pass a retinal scanner... Would be a bit weird seeing a Predator do that though
I seem to remember being able to do that in the 2010 AVP game. Ripping off a guys head and using his eye for the scanner. Could be wrong though.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 16, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
My source owns the same draft you got.maybe we didnt understand each other.
When the main classic pred escapes the lab he does a Simon Phoenix but no Predator is ripping spines.
Shane Black said 'spines bleed a lot' not that preds rips spines.He didnt lie because there are a few gore moments.But no spines ripping from a pred,it happens once and the girl does it. l will get confirmation on monday.
Send me the page number by PM that would help.
No wonder you dislike this movie already. Your sources managed to mess everything up. I'd hate a "girl ripping spine out" too. Shane didn't randomly say "spines bleed a lot" while working on a movie about an alien who's characteristic is to rip spines out, only to have a girl do it. That makes absolutely no sense. How and why would a girl rip someone's spine out?
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 16, 2017, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Apr 16, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 16, 2017, 02:13:37 PM
^
I'm curious as to what you mean by the Predator doing a "Simon Phoenix", I haven't seen Demolition Man so am unfamiliar. :laugh:
My thought on that was using someones eyeball to pass a retinal scanner... Would be a bit weird seeing a Predator do that though
I seem to remember being able to do that in the 2010 AVP game. Ripping off a guys head and using his eye for the scanner. Could be wrong though.
Oh yeah, you could do that in the game.
Now that you mention it, I remember one of the guys here who read the script saying the Predator rips off someone's arm to use their fingerprints on a scanner to open a door.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 16, 2017, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 16, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
My source owns the same draft you got.maybe we didnt understand each other.
When the main classic pred escapes the lab he does a Simon Phoenix but no Predator is ripping spines.
Shane Black said 'spines bleed a lot' not that preds rips spines.He didnt lie because there are a few gore moments.But no spines ripping from a pred,it happens once and the girl does it. l will get confirmation on monday.
Send me the page number by PM that would help.
No wonder you dislike this movie already. Your sources managed to mess everything up. I'd hate a "girl ripping spine out" too. Shane didn't randomly say "spines bleed a lot" while working on a movie about an alien who's characteristic is to rip spines out, only to have a girl do it. That makes absolutely no sense. How and why would a girl rip someone's spine out?
I recall someone here saying the woman who rips the spine out is a scientist who is ripping out an alien specimen's spine for examination. She's probably using tools to remove the spine but it's made out to sort of resemble the way a Predator removes a spine.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 16, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 15, 2017, 09:12:04 PM
I don't think anyone is lying here but I do think they are very misinformed or confused about what they've heard from other people. If posters aren't keen on what they've heard about the script that is their prerogative but I hope they find the movie proves their concerns wrong.
My source owns the same draft you got.maybe we didnt understand each other.
When the main classic pred escapes the lab he does a Simon Phoenix but no Predator is ripping spines.
Shane Black said 'spines bleed a lot' not that preds rips spines.He didnt lie because there are a few gore moments.But no spines ripping from a pred,it happens once and the girl does it. l will get confirmation on monday.
Send me the page number by PM that would help.
Is there a mask removal/face reveal scene in the script?
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 16, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
When the main classic pred escapes the lab he does a Simon Phoenix but no Predator is ripping spines.
I'm not talking about that sequence. Spines are ripped by Predators in at least two different scenes.
Dude, you can try to "confirm" all you like but if you don't have it you're still going to be lost. Your source isn't reading the script properly and that is not my problem or my responsibility, especially after taking shit from you for days.
Quotemaybe we didnt understand each other.
I'll wait for the apology.
As for any other non-Predator spine-ripping, all I will say is it is not as clear-cut as Predator_Spirit's confused friend is making it out to be via this game of telephone.
You're lier too Speedy. I asked you for script, you said you don't really have it anymore, yet you are citing exact quotes...
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2017, 08:58:07 PM
You're lier too Speedy. I asked you for script, you said you don't really have it anymore, yet you are citing exact quotes...
Maybe he can't give it out? Of course I didn't ask him, but I was tempted.
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2017, 08:58:07 PMYou're lier too Speedy. I asked you for script, you said you don't really have it anymore,
No, what I said is 'who says I still have it?' I hoped it would be a convenient way to deflect any random guy on this website asking for it, but it didn't stop many people. Like you.
Still makes you a lier.
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
Still makes you a lier.
'Liar.' And no, it makes me careful. Sorry I didn't hand out the script to the first stranger who asked for it. I don't owe you a thing.
SpeedyMaxx, how do you rate the original Predator? Is it one of your favorite movies? I ask because you said you like the script for the new one, so it would help to know if that's coming from a hardcore fan of the original or a casual "it's ok" fan.
I adore the original film, it's god tier for me in terms of classic action/sci-fi movies.
This is not that movie. It is very different. It's very funny, it's got a kid, it's got a different sensibility which is very much a product of its two writers and their other works. But it is also very action-packed, violent and IMO true to the spirit of the franchise. It's just changing things up.
It won't be for everyone, but as both a huge Predator fan and a huge Shane Black/Fred Dekker fan I love it. It's gonna be a marmite movie for hardcore fans, IMO - an acquired taste.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 16, 2017, 10:44:42 PM
I adore the original film, it's god tier for me in terms of classic action/sci-fi movies.
This is not that movie. It is very different. It's very funny, it's got a kid, it's got a different sensibility which is very much a product of its two writers and their other works. But it is also very action-packed, violent and IMO true to the spirit of the franchise. It's just changing things up.
It won't be for everyone, but as both a huge Predator fan and a huge Shane Black/Fred Dekker fan I love it. It's gonna be a marmite movie for hardcore fans, IMO - an acquired taste.
Sounds like just the thing I wanted.
Does it have that Night of the Creeps/Monster Squad vibe, but on a more adult level?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 16, 2017, 10:57:03 PM
Does it have that Night of the Creeps/Monster Squad vibe, but on a more adult level?
I would say more the former, but obviously the latter is in play a bit too. It has that Fred Dekker/Shane Black thing going but it's still first and foremost a Predator movie, IMO.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 16, 2017, 10:57:03 PM
Does it have that Night of the Creeps/Monster Squad vibe, but on a more adult level?
Nope but there is a very visible Monster Squad reference.
Okay, dude, think whatever you like, I got taxes to finish. Again, your friend not reading his script properly is not my responsibility. See also: the ridiculous 'armor' debate. Is it so hard not to come at me if you haven't read it yourself?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 16, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
Still makes you a lier.
'Liar.' And no, it makes me careful. Sorry I didn't hand out the script to the first stranger who asked for it. I don't owe you a thing.
Also asked to hand it over to the site administrator to prove your worth. Or that's also first stranger too? Lier, 'liar' , careful or phony. You are one and you were caught.
Phoney or not. Why are you guys attacking him? Why don't we all grow up and just chat nicely. I'm fed up with reading the same three or four posts for the last few pages.
Quote from: Master on Apr 17, 2017, 06:01:58 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 16, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
Still makes you a lier.
'Liar.' And no, it makes me careful. Sorry I didn't hand out the script to the first stranger who asked for it. I don't owe you a thing.
Also asked to hand it over to the site administrator to prove your worth. Or that's also first stranger too? Lier, 'liar' , careful or phony. You are one and you were caught.
You complain and harbor grudges a lot lol.
You appraised worst movie in the franchise and had 'exclusive source ' of fake stars, so I guess the joke is on you.
Gediman's voice: "there it is."
Jesus Christ guys. Chill out. This is the Internet. You're not going to agree with everyone, you're not going to believe every person who claims to have a source. If you don't believe or don't like, Ignore him. The function is there for a reason. If you've also got your own "sources" then have a discussion without being children, if you're incapable of functioning like an adult, don't respond.
My patience with this sub-board is about teetering on the verge of the same level of patience I have for the political sub-board and I'm about ready to start taking away people's abilities to post if you don't start rising above the level of IMDB members.
Thanks for the reminder Hicks. It's more enjoyable and worthwhile discussing with members who remain grounded amidst the chaos and uncertainty surrounding apparent leaks.
Thanks Speedy for your objective input as always. It's easier to take your words and opinion seriously.
I don't consider myself objective on Black or Dekker. I just like the script. I have always acknowledged it will definitely not be for every hardcore fan, it will be an acquired taste.
It'll probably play better for general audiences and critics than for the fanbase.
...like Iron Man 3.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 17, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
It'll probably play better for general audiences and critics than for the fanbase.
...like Iron Man 3.
That's what I've always compared it to, since my first post about it IIRC. And I loved IM3 (as both an IM/Marvel fan and a Black fan), but re: the former group of fans I was definitely not in a huge majority at that time.
Got a confirmation that there are two spines rippings :
1-
Spoiler
Munn rips the spines of a dying pred dog
2-
Spoiler
The Hybrid pred rips the spines of ...the main classic pred >:(
That's even worse than no spines ripping :-\
SpeedyMaxx didn't lie.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 17, 2017, 03:01:10 PM
I have always acknowledged it will definitely not be for every hardcore fan, it will be an acquired taste.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 17, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
It'll probably play better for general audiences and critics than for the fanbase.
...like Iron Man 3.
I think everyone on this board should at the very least agree on this one thing, then we can all start to have civil discussions!
Cheers to many more Predator films to come if this does well commercially and critically! If it stays true to the spirit of the first movie and expands on the mythology in an interesting and refreshing way, the fanboy in me will be more than pleased.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 17, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
SpeedyMaxx didn't lie.
Yeah, I know I didn't.
By the way, that count of yours is wrong. When I talked about spines being ripped out
by Predators, I wasn't counting the one involving Casey. So by your count there is a third spine removal.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 17, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 17, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
SpeedyMaxx didn't lie.
Yeah, I know I didn't.
By the way, that count of yours is wrong. When I talked about spines being ripped out by Predators, I wasn't counting the one involving Casey. So by your count there is a third spine removal.
Checking still in progress.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 17, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
Checking still in progress.
Do you really need to keep "checking it" when we've already established only one of us actually has the script?
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 17, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 17, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 17, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
SpeedyMaxx didn't lie.
Yeah, I know I didn't.
By the way, that count of yours is wrong. When I talked about spines being ripped out by Predators, I wasn't counting the one involving Casey. So by your count there is a third spine removal.
Checking still in progress.
Just get the script and pass it to Hicks man lol
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 17, 2017, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 17, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
Checking still in progress.
Do you really need to keep "checking it" when we've already established only one of us actually has the script?
This franchise about rastafari aliens in loincloths is Serious Business.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 17, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
Got a confirmation that there are two spines rippings :
1-Spoiler
Munn rips the spines of a dying pred dog
2-Spoiler
The Hybrid pred rips the spines of ...the main classic pred >:(
That's even worse than no spines ripping :-\
Not sure which one I hate worse.
Spoiler
Classic Predator always gets shit on.
One more time: There are at least two spines taken out by Predators, not just the one.
Classic Pred still getting shit on tho'.
pretty sure that started way back in the first film.
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Who's read the script?
There's more than enough Predator action for all variants before and after any unfortunate incidents. Civil suits on their behalf will likely be left unfiled.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 18, 2017, 02:18:47 AM
pretty sure that started way back in the first film.
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there's a big difference between getting defeated and getting shit on.
Arnold dropped a log on the predator.
dropping a log.getting shit on.:P
i got jokes for dayssssss
Ha Ha Ha
Quote from: Keith on Apr 18, 2017, 02:40:11 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 18, 2017, 02:18:47 AM
pretty sure that started way back in the first film.
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there's a big difference between getting defeated and getting shit on.
Especially when the battle lenght is about 5 sec.
The classic Predator(s) have multiple outings in this movie and I personally felt it was a strong showing throughout. The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators, but I think they get their due and they are in the bulk of the action. But if you expect long, protracted WWE Predator-vs.-Predator battles a la AVP, yes, I think you may be disappointed.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The classic Predator(s) have multiple outings in this movie and I personally felt it was a strong showing throughout. The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators, but I think they get their due and they are in the bulk of the action. But if you expect long, protracted WWE Predator-vs.-Predator battles a la AVP, yes, I think you may be disappointed.
Spoiler
The only classic pred moment was the lab escape.After this, all the classics get killed within' few secs.They better fix that during filming.
But I don't think they will change that,they really wanna show to the audience that the hybrid is far superior.Supahhh pred BS all over again ::).
Being contradicted by a guy who has not read the script and regularly misspeaks is always entertaining, but my take stands.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 03:34:37 PM
Being contradicted by a guy who has not read the script and regularly misspeaks is always entertaining, but my take stands.
Entertain us then, what great classic pred moment you loved in the script besides the one I mentioned ?
Can you say that the hybrid vs classic pred fight lenght is superior than a few seconds ?
Where is that third spines ripping ?
Sorry. I wouldn't want to spoil the movie anymore than I already have. If you really wanna know, buy a ticket.
Another reason I won't talk about it is because frankly it's my mistake for engaging with you and derailing the thread to do so. It just galls me that you can't admit I was right about anything, you can't admit you were wrong and you can't even apologize for how you behave - and after all that, you can't seem to consider the possibility that your opinion is colored by the fact that you don't have the script yourself, and that you and your buddy (who evidently isn't a great reader) are simply breathing the same air and confirming your own biases. You won't listen to anyone else who's actually read the script because you've already decided. You've realized by now that I've read it and you haven't, but you're still trying to 'quiz' me to satisfy you. That's never going to happen because you don't want to be satisfied, and you're angry and embarrassed.
It would be one thing if someone else who's read it had a difference of opinion, that's fair. This is quite another. You're just another angry fan, but you're treating me like I'm subject to some constant interrogation. The burden of some sort of 'proof' is not on me. It's on you, and you can't prove it. So my advice to you is: Enjoy the movie, and next time think about how you treat people.
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The moment of silk ass wiping is here, boys and girls.
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Seriously Predator_Spirit, the guy owes you nothing. If you don't like the film, the choice is yours. There's nothing you can do now that will change the course of the movie, and frankly by trying is just being selfish. No one can ever be satisfied.
The general audience far outnumbers Predators fans, and this is a movie Shane Black is making for them as it'll generate more money, not for you. This is how business works.
With that being said, I genuinely do hope you enjoy the film and if you don't, then oh well, you literally got three films to rewatch with the same formula as the first plus an additional two with Aliens in them.
It's not the end of the world, there's no need to get so riled up over a rasta alien hunter in a loincloth and kinky fetish body netting.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 04:10:40 PM
Sorry. I wouldn't want to spoil the movie anymore than I already have. If you really wanna know, buy a ticket.
That's what I thought while reading your posts, looked like damage control.
Some people might like this movie you know, don't you worry.I want the fans to know, then everybody can
decide.Those who don't want to know will skip this thread.Simple
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 18, 2017, 05:30:04 PM
The general audience far outnumbers Predators fans,
Then you have nothing to worry about. :)
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 18, 2017, 06:11:30 PM
That's what I thought while reading your posts, looked like damage control.
You got it. That's exactly it. It can't be that I'm sick and tired of being browbeaten by a guy on the Internet who doesn't even have the script but considers himself more of an authority than the people who do.
QuoteI want the fans to know, then everybody can decide.
What do you want the fans to know? That you don't like what you've heard? Yeah, we know. But you're not changing anything - the movie is being made, the script is cooked. It's done and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Black has final cut. Like it or don't, be my guest.
In the end of the day, I hope that all those who don't like what they're hearing now end up enjoying the movie. I know that's wishful thinking on my part though and as said earlier, you can't please everyone.
I'll never hold their opinions against them lol. (But it'll be hilarious if this becomes your favourite movie, Predator_Spirit. :P :laugh:)
Stick him on 'Ignore', Speedy. The board reads much cleaner.
Don't worry Predator_Spirit, it's a little too late to make the Fox executives change their mind about this movie even if they're glued to your posts :D you will still have to buy your ticket on opening day
Lol I can't believe the same bull is going on in this thread.
Speedy. Just ignore him and Predator-Spirit stop going on at him. Talk about something constructive. Every time I check this thread it's you two just going back and forth with same comments.
Speedy, how does the script compare to what we have so far with Black's three, directed movies ?
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 18, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
Speedy. Just ignore him
You're right, it's my fault. I'm running on very little sleep with some work deadlines as well as tax filing, so my temper is short.
QuoteSpeedy, how does the script compare to what we have so far with Black's three, directed movies ?
My understanding from a source (which may be inaccurate) is that this is largely Dekker's script written from Black's story. That may or may not be true, but it feels a bit more like Dekker as opposed to Black to my eye. They are very tight and have worked together for decades so their sensibilities are closely woven and it's sometimes hard to tell. I personally could use a smidge more of the Shane Black bite from
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang or
The Nice Guys, but it's pretty gritty and witty as is IMO. I think it's at least as solid as
Nice Guys or IM3, though obviously very different. I rate almost no recent movie next to
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang which I think is a masterpiece. But it's pretty good, IMO. Again, if you like this sort of thing. Many may not. It also reminds me a fair bit of Dekker's legendary
Night of the Creeps and some of
Monster Squad, but we've discussed that a few pages back.
Worth tracking down, BTW: The script Black & Dekker wrote in the '80s for John Carpenter's unmade
Shadow Company, about Kurt Russell taking on zombified Vietnam vets in small town America. Great fun. Got mothballed when a couple of Carpenter's big studio pix (
The Thing, Big Trouble in Little China) bombed.
Agreed regarding Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Amazing. I have said many times on these threads that so far, for me, black has a perfect track record in directing. 3 for 3.
I prefer Iron Man 3 over Iron Man and I am a comic reader and fan boy.
I need to rewatch Nice Guys actually.
I personally think we are very lucky to have Black directing this movie.
Very very. Even putting aside his directorial work, Shane Black is a legend.
I honestly think I will love this film although I must say, it will be jarring as it is such a departure to the last three movies. I welcome that though. I don't get why some think that a species that can travel the cosmos and have advanced weaponary, are only hunters and that's all they do and any deviation from this practice is heracy.
There will be predator scientists
Predator engineers
Predator explorers
Predator farmers
Predator soldiers
And many more
Clearly their characteristics and behaviour will be different to us but logically there will be this sort of diversity.
All I can say is there are standard Predators and other creatures as well in this movie. They may not be the type of things you describe, but they're definitely different. You could be right though, who knows what's on their homeworld?
That's what I mean dude. My point was that I can't see why people complain because the film is not using the same template that has come before.
The things that are going to happen in this movie, whether they be as the leak describes or different. Why are they bad. Why couldn't they be things that happen in the Predator universe.
Anything goes as long as it's executed well
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators,.
In a movie called "The Predator"? Sounds like complete and total garbage.
Thinking about what Keith asked, why is the film titled "The Predator" if we have multiple Predators?
Could THE Predator be referring to the 10 foot tall monster? The tagline also hints that it's more about him - "you'll never see him coming", who would've seen a 10 foot tall Predator coming? We all expected Classic. ;D
OK
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 19, 2017, 01:42:37 AM
Thinking about what Keith asked, why is the film titled "The Predator" if we have multiple Predators?
Could THE Predator be referring to the 10 foot tall monster? The tagline also hints that it's more about him - "you'll never see him coming", who would've seen a 10 foot tall Predator coming? We all expected Classic. ;D
Based on Speedy's synopsis, perhaps a more appropriate title should be "Predator Bastardizations and the Scientists Who Study Them". :-\
I never synopsized the film and that is not accurate, sirrah
Well, these are your own words:
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The classic Predator(s) have multiple outings in this movie and I personally felt it was a strong showing throughout. The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators, but I think they get their due and they are in the bulk of the action. But if you expect long, protracted WWE Predator-vs.-Predator battles a la AVP, yes, I think you may be disappointed.
Quote from: Keith on Apr 19, 2017, 03:56:40 AM
Well, these are your own words:
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The classic Predator(s) have multiple outings in this movie and I personally felt it was a strong showing throughout. The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators, but I think they get their due and they are in the bulk of the action. But if you expect long, protracted WWE Predator-vs.-Predator battles a la AVP, yes, I think you may be disappointed.
Ah, I see we're back to me having to post like I'm testifying before a Congressional subcommittee (or a Weyland-Yutani inquest). Great.
Yes, Senator, those are my words and I stand by them - they were in reference to another poster's despairing claim that the movie must be all about Predators as the lead POV with humans not given enough time and agency. This fear is not accurate to the situation. The humans are still the leads in this
Predator movie, but the humans are always the leads in
Predator movies. This does
not mean, however, that the Predators are shortchanged or jobbed by humans. The (classic and hybridized) Predators are slaughtering humans left and right within the first few pages and continue to do so.
Now do you understand what I mean?
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 18, 2017, 08:40:42 PM
That's what I mean dude. My point was that I can't see why people complain because the film is not using the same template that has come before.
The things that are going to happen in this movie, whether they be as the leak describes or different. Why are they bad. Why couldn't they be things that happen in the Predator universe.
Anything goes as long as it's executed well
The Predator borrows the Predators story, wich is ,nothing new.
Friendly classic preds pussies helping humans against a new bigger badder supah pred.
Already done, already hated by the fans.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2017, 02:06:10 AM
Classic Pred still getting shit on tho'.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The classic Predator(s) have multiple outings in this movie and I personally felt it was a strong showing throughout. The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators, but I think they get their due and they are in the bulk of the action. But if you expect long, protracted WWE Predator-vs.-Predator battles a la AVP, yes, I think you may be disappointed.
Well, silly me, I thought you were responding to SiL with your comment, and not some other B.S. about Predators being the lead. ::)
Quote from: Keith on Apr 19, 2017, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2017, 02:06:10 AM
Classic Pred still getting shit on tho'.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The classic Predator(s) have multiple outings in this movie and I personally felt it was a strong showing throughout. The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators, but I think they get their due and they are in the bulk of the action. But if you expect long, protracted WWE Predator-vs.-Predator battles a la AVP, yes, I think you may be disappointed.
Well, silly me, I thought you were responding to SiL with your comment, and not some other B.S. about Predators being the lead. ::)
I was addressing her as well as a prior concern from an unrelated poster who said the movie was obviously about the Predators and not the humans, and that this was a problem. But that is not the case.
Quote from: Keith on Apr 19, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators,.
In a movie called "The Predator"? Sounds like complete and total garbage.
The Predator could possibly refer to Quinn or his Son..
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 19, 2017, 12:49:50 PM
Quote from: Keith on Apr 19, 2017, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2017, 02:06:10 AM
Classic Pred still getting shit on tho'.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The classic Predator(s) have multiple outings in this movie and I personally felt it was a strong showing throughout. The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators, but I think they get their due and they are in the bulk of the action. But if you expect long, protracted WWE Predator-vs.-Predator battles a la AVP, yes, I think you may be disappointed.
Well, silly me, I thought you were responding to SiL with your comment, and not some other B.S. about Predators being the lead. ::)
I was addressing her as well as a prior concern from an unrelated poster who said the movie was obviously about the Predators and not the humans, and that this was a problem. But that is not the case.
Oh, OK, I see now. ::)
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 19, 2017, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 18, 2017, 08:40:42 PM
That's what I mean dude. My point was that I can't see why people complain because the film is not using the same template that has come before.
The things that are going to happen in this movie, whether they be as the leak describes or different. Why are they bad. Why couldn't they be things that happen in the Predator universe.
Anything goes as long as it's executed well
The Predator borrows the Predators story, wich is ,nothing new.
Friendly classic preds pussies helping humans against a new bigger badder supah pred.
Already done, already hated by the fans.
How does it borrow the story from Predators ?
I'm a fan. Have been for a long time. I don't hate it.
Quote from: von on Apr 19, 2017, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: Keith on Apr 19, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
The story is not about them, it is focused on the humans dealing with the various variety of Predators,.
In a movie called "The Predator"? Sounds like complete and total garbage.
The Predator could possibly refer to Quinn or his Son..
IMO, the title is both about the creature we're all familiar with and also a play on words re: a certain mystery within in the plot.
Much is made in the script about the nature of the Predator, and how its assumed name is not entirely accurate, because unlike natural predators, the Predator seems to hunt for sport - this is discussed and puzzled over by the human characters repeatedly. Events in the story cause that conception and definition to evolve. Throughout the script the term 'predator' is used to refer not just to the Predator but to a variety of concepts and elements.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 19, 2017, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 19, 2017, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 18, 2017, 08:40:42 PM
That's what I mean dude. My point was that I can't see why people complain because the film is not using the same template that has come before.
The things that are going to happen in this movie, whether they be as the leak describes or different. Why are they bad. Why couldn't they be things that happen in the Predator universe.
Anything goes as long as it's executed well
The Predator borrows the Predators story, wich is ,nothing new.
Friendly classic preds pussies helping humans against a new bigger badder supah pred.
Already done, already hated by the fans.
How does it borrow the story from Predators ?
I'm a fan. Have been for a long time. I don't hate it.
Friendly classic preds pussies helping humans against a new bigger badder supah pred.
All good, used to happen a hell of a lot.
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 19, 2017, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 19, 2017, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 19, 2017, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 18, 2017, 08:40:42 PM
That's what I mean dude. My point was that I can't see why people complain because the film is not using the same template that has come before.
The things that are going to happen in this movie, whether they be as the leak describes or different. Why are they bad. Why couldn't they be things that happen in the Predator universe.
Anything goes as long as it's executed well
The Predator borrows the Predators story, wich is ,nothing new.
Friendly classic preds pussies helping humans against a new bigger badder supah pred.
Already done, already hated by the fans.
How does it borrow the story from Predators ?
I'm a fan. Have been for a long time. I don't hate it.
Friendly classic preds pussies helping humans against a new bigger badder supah pred.
There was nothing super and better about the Preds in PS really. They were just a different ethnicity/sub species.
I can see what your getting at though but that is the only similar element. It's not the story either it's an event in the story. So TP and PS having the same story is really a sound critique. It's up to you what you like though so I'm not gonna argue with you about it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
The Predators are not "good spirited" in any iteration in this movie. They still have no qualms about killing any 'innocent' humans who are in their way.
Spoiler
OWLF is correct: Any team-up is out of necessity.
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 19, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
I hate this idea; mainly because like what we saw in Predators, when you try and make bigger and badder Preds than the original, it's more than likely going to fail badly. The aim should always be to equal what we see in the original, not set out to better it from the off.
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 19, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
I hate this idea; mainly because like what we saw in Predators, when you try and make bigger and badder Preds than the original, it's more than likely going to fail badly. The aim should always be to equal what we see in the original, not set out to better it from the off.
But take Robert Rodriguez and put him against Shane Black filming a Predator movie and tell me who will win...I take Black all day and think this movie is gonna surprise some franchise fans
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Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 19, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
I hate this idea; mainly because like what we saw in Predators, when you try and make bigger and badder Preds than the original, it's more than likely going to fail badly. The aim should always be to equal what we see in the original, not set out to better it from the off.
They're not setting out to 'better' it. The new breed are the 'bad guys' to be destroyed. The classic Predators are grayer characters but still badass.
Must admit there are quite a few similarities between The Predator and Predators ( Merc Protagonist, Classic Preds vs. Super Hybrids, Pred dogs..) Heck, even the ending is similar, but I think Shane Black will do a much better job with the material at hand.
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 19, 2017, 06:19:47 PM
Must admit there are quite a few similarities between The Predator and Predators ( Merc Protagonist, Classic Preds vs. Super Hybrids, Pred dogs..) Heck, even the ending is similar, but I think Shane Black will do a much better job with the material at hand.
Whoever the director is, seeing another supah pred owning a classic pred in 5 sec will suck and ruin the whole movie.
K
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 19, 2017, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 19, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
I hate this idea; mainly because like what we saw in Predators, when you try and make bigger and badder Preds than the original, it's more than likely going to fail badly. The aim should always be to equal what we see in the original, not set out to better it from the off.
They're not setting out to 'better' it. The new breed are the 'bad guys' to be destroyed. The classic Predators are grayer characters but still badass.
All types of Preds should be the bad guy.
AVP and Predators ran with the whole 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' theme and it divided the fans.
I'm still hoping Shane can deliver with this movie. Rodriguez failed with his bullshit execution.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 19, 2017, 03:49:07 PM
The Predators are not "good spirited" in any iteration in this movie. They still have no qualms about killing any 'innocent' humans who are in their way. Spoiler
OWLF is correct: Any team-up is out of necessity.
I like this, it keeps to the idea that they have a very alien mindset and "morality" (if we can even call them that lol.)
Just because the "good" ones
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get help from our government and are shielded doesn't mean it keeps us safe as a whole.
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 19, 2017, 05:44:30 PM
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
I hate this idea; mainly because like what we saw in Predators, when you try and make bigger and badder Preds than the original, it's more than likely going to fail badly. The aim should always be to equal what we see in the original, not set out to better it from the off.
They're not setting out to 'better' it. The new breed are the 'bad guys' to be destroyed. The classic Predators are grayer characters but still badass.
All types of Preds should be the bad guy.
AVP and Predators ran with the whole 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' theme and it divided the fans.
I'm still hoping Shane can deliver with this movie. Rodriguez failed with his bullshit execution.
Why do people blame Rodriguez? Yeah, it was his story, but wouldn't it be Antal bullshit execution?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 19, 2017, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 19, 2017, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 19, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
I hate this idea; mainly because like what we saw in Predators, when you try and make bigger and badder Preds than the original, it's more than likely going to fail badly. The aim should always be to equal what we see in the original, not set out to better it from the off.
They're not setting out to 'better' it. The new breed are the 'bad guys' to be destroyed. The classic Predators are grayer characters but still badass.
All types of Preds should be the bad guy.
AVP and Predators ran with the whole 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' theme and it divided the fans.
I'm still hoping Shane can deliver with this movie. Rodriguez failed with his bullshit execution.
Why do people blame Rodriguez? Yeah, it was his story, but wouldn't it be Antal bullshit execution?
The suit acting was poor during the Pred fight - so some of that is on Antal.
Killing 2 out the 3 Preds within 5 minutes of eachother was piss poor.
And Rodriguez was bigging up his Super Preds months before the movie's release claiming they were bigger and better than regular Preds. Hopefully Shane doesn't start all that crap and let's his movie do the talking.
Yeah, I remember Rodriguez harping on the Super Preds before the movie was realized. When I finally saw what they looked like I knew the film was in trouble. I never cared for that design.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 19, 2017, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 19, 2017, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: greygoose on Apr 19, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 19, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as i don't want to get spoiled too much, but, could somebody tell me how many Predators are in the script for this movie?
And i read something about good Predators... like, good in the sense of a team up out of necessity (like in Predators, which i thought was OK for that instance) or like really "good spirited" ones?
Spoiler
As far as I know from the script, there seems to be a so called "Cold War" between the different Predator types, (Classic preds vs Super hybrid enhanced preds) The Classic preds seem to have sided with humans in the fight against the Hybrid 10 foot predators.
I hate this idea; mainly because like what we saw in Predators, when you try and make bigger and badder Preds than the original, it's more than likely going to fail badly. The aim should always be to equal what we see in the original, not set out to better it from the off.
They're not setting out to 'better' it. The new breed are the 'bad guys' to be destroyed. The classic Predators are grayer characters but still badass.
All types of Preds should be the bad guy.
AVP and Predators ran with the whole 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' theme and it divided the fans.
I'm still hoping Shane can deliver with this movie. Rodriguez failed with his bullshit execution.
Why do people blame Rodriguez? Yeah, it was his story, but wouldn't it be Antal bullshit execution?
The studio and the producers are the first to blame, all the others are yes men and employees.
Shane Black is not going to save the movie from a ridiculous script accepted by the same studio.R rating or not.
Never understood the "super-pred" thing. Predator in it of itself is a form of "super" and/or "superior"....Just a childish idea to begin with.
Love the idea of using "Predator"- only, with advanced, ever-changing- weaponry/arsenal.
If Predators are to be portrayed as a "believable" species on screen...
then it'd make sense that some specimens are indeed physically superior to others.
Stronger, taller.....
SuperPredator is just a silly production name for that concept.
Now if only the "REAL FANS!" stopped getting their panties in a bunch over it.
MUH JUNGLE HUNTER!
MUH YAUTJAS!
All of the new additions in "Predators" were fine.
The idea of conflict between clans + the predators had cool designs and all the tech and the hounds were cool too....
it's just that the film around them was uninspired as f**k.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 20, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
If Predators are to be portrayed as a "believable" species on screen...
then it'd make sense that some specimens are indeed physically superior to others.
Stronger, taller.....
SuperPredator is just a silly production name for that concept.
Now if only the "REAL FANS!" stopped getting their panties in a bunch over it.
MUH JUNGLE HUNTER!
MUH YAUTJAS!
All of the new additions in "Predators" were fine.
The idea of conflict between clans + the predators had cool designs and all the tech and the hounds were cool too....
it's just that the film around them was uninspired as f**k.
I agree with this. If all the predators are the average height then why not a 10 footer as a big specimen. I mean. We have guys walking around at over seven feet. Our male average is like 5.11 I think.
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 20, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
MUH JUNGLE HUNTER!
MUH YAUTJAS!
The word "Yautja", it's not canon. :laugh:
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 19, 2017, 03:49:07 PM
The Prosectorat are not "good spirited" in any iteration in this movie.
The classic preds are pals with the humans in this movie and you know it.They even sacrifice themselves to save a bunch.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 20, 2017, 05:57:11 PM
The classic preds are pals with the humans in this movie and you know it.They even sacrifice themselves to save a bunch.
As usual you are misinformed. That doesn't happen with any Predator in the script I've read. Again, please don't attempt to harass or lecture me about a script you do not have and have not read.
Also, why the hell did you change my post to say "Prosectorat"?
I'm just gonna say screw it. Here is what I was given to review and give opinions on characters, relationships, concepts, and story. It may not match what others have in their scripts (and I'm tired of hearing about it), but this is what they gave me and others to represent the movie. If you take issue with that, well take it up with them as they wrote it up for random people to review the movie.
It's word for word, not my interpretation, opinion, or from memory. (I sent screencaps from the survey breakdown to Admin Hicks when I first wrote about it)
Spoiler
In the Mexican jungle, LT. QUINN MCKENNA (played by Boyd Holbrook) looks down the barrel of an M24 rifle. An expert military sniper, McKenna is the leader of his squad and the one assigned to find, and kill, the drug lords who've kidnapped two DEA agents.
Just as McKenna gets the target in his sight, an alien spacecraft barrels through the forest, obliterating trees and sending debris everywhere. When the chaos subsides, McKenna finds a futuristic-looking device and presses a button. Suddenly, he sees something out of the corner of his eye: a massive, dreadlocked alien creature just two feet away. It's got to be 8 feet tall and at least 500 pounds, with terrifying sharp teeth and an exposed mandible. A scary - and ugly - motherf**ker. Though he doesn't know it, McKenna has discovered a PREDATOR. He darts backward in fear, but the beast is unconscious - it was invisible until he pressed that button. Despite his urge to flee, curiosity gets the best of McKenna as he moves to lift the alien's mask, recoiling in disgust at the creature's hideous insect-like face. McKenna takes the mask and device, knowing that no one would believe him without proof, and escapes into the jungle. McKenna, back turned, is running away when the creature twitches ominously.
As McKenna goes in search of his team, he hears bloodcurdling screams. He runs towards the commotion, finding his entire team dead. They have been shredded, brutally eviscerated. McKenna shudders at the gruesome scene. Seeing a helicopter land in the distance, he watches as commander WILL TRAEGER (played by Sterling K. Brown) steps out. Traeger prepares his team for a mission; warning them that Predators hunt humans for sport. A predator war cry rings out as Traeger's men begin the hunt.
Meanwhile, in suburban Georgia, McKenna's son exits a school-bus. Socially awkward, RORY (played by Jacob Tremblay) is being followed by two bullies, who taunt him and call him names. The bullies chase him into the park, and shove Rory into an old man's chess game, sending the pieces flying everywhere. The old man gets the bullies to scatter, and when he turns around, Rory has put every piece in the exact same place it had been. Rory heads home to find a beat-up package from Mckenna. Picking it up tenderly, he wonders where his Dad is now; he misses him fiercely.
At the same time, in a military psych ward, McKenna is being questioned by mysterious psychologists about the incident in Mexico. He's evasive as they ask for information about his encounter with the Predator, knowing that they want to lock him in a looney bin. Having failed this test, McKenna is escorted to a bus with men in prison scrubs. All special-ops guys with checkered pasts who the military has no use for anymore. Some have PTSD from their experiences in intense combat situations, and they're all a little "off" because of it - so McKenna fits right in. His seatmate, NEBRASKA WILLIAMS (played by Trevante Rhodes) introduces himself while the rest of the men tell dirty jokes and taunt each other - until the military policeman yells at them to shut up. McKenna daydreams of returning home and starting a real relationship with his son. They're only a short way into the journey when the military policeman receives a call, and looks pointedly at McKenna before turning the bus around. They're going back: a scientist wants to meet with McKenna about the incident in Mexico.
CASEY BRACKET (played by Olivia Munn) is that scientist. Brilliant, young and tough, she has been called on to help with the top-secret Project Stargazer, a government task force investigating the Predator threat. Seeing the alien equipment and weaponry on display, Casey is awestruck. But looking out onto the laboratory, it gets even more unbelievable – there's a dead creature strapped to a table. Traeger, the CIA commander asks her if she'd like to meet the Predator, and Casey, enthusiastically agrees. Once she's in the main lab, Traeger shows Casey the test results from the Predator. She is shocked to discover it has human DNA – she's here to help them understand why.
Back in the Georgia suburbs, Rory's mom EMILY (played by Yvonne Strahovski) arrives home and finds her son studying language books. Not every 12-year-old knows four languages, but Rory certainly isn't like most 12-year-olds. Halloween is in a few days, and though she offers him a choice of two different costumes, he's unenthused by both. Rory retreats to his basement lair, eagerly tearing open the package from his Dad. His eyes widen as he sees the Predator mask and alien device. On the device, a code scrolls in cryptic patterns. Rory's incredible capacity for languages is evident as he scribbles the symbols on a folder. His mind works quickly as he translates the alien language. Human interaction may not be Rory's thing, but this is.
As he works on the language, Rory tinkers with the device. He doesn't know it, but as he punches in codes on his display, the spaceship's steering and visibility change: Rory is controlling an alien spaceship floating above Earth. A different, noticeably bigger Predator than the one we've seen so far is at the controls; wielding a device that looks similar to Rory's - getting frustrated as he's thrown off course by Rory's meddling.
The Predator ship careens toward the lab where Casey is studying the Predator's blood. She grows uneasy as she contemplates her surroundings: how do they know it didn't want to be captured? She is jolted back to the present as an alarm goes off, warning that an unidentified aircraft is nearby. Suddenly, the Predator opens its eyes and snaps its restraints - it was pretending to be dead the whole time. Casey runs out of the lab just as the Predator begins its rampage. Security rushes the creature, but it easily tosses them away, crushing their bones. The creature sees a man cowering in the corner – easy prey. It beheads the man in one motion and cuts off his arm to use his fingerprints to exit. Eerily, it mimics the man's voice perfectly, saying his name to open the door. Now in the same room with Casey, the creature sees her – but for some reason doesn't kill her, and continues out the door.
McKenna and the van of prisoners arrives at the Project Stargazer site amidst the chaos. The distraction allows them to outsmart the military police, taking their guns and control of the bus. The group of "loonies" has gone rogue. McKenna, spotting the fleeing Predator on the horizon, grabs a sniper rifle and tells Williams to floor it: that thing killed his men. The rest of the loonies see it too – McKenna isn't crazy after all – but the Predator vanishes over the perimeter wall, firing at the bus as it goes. McKenna rescues Casey as they speed away, saving her from execution by Traeger's team. McKenna knows they don't want any witnesses to this disaster.
Now part of McKenna's rag-tag loonies, Casey tells the group that she thinks the Predator was looking for something. McKenna realizes with dread that it's headed to Georgia – for Rory. He must get there before the Predator does.
Oblivious to the danger he is in, Rory decides to trick-or-treat in his neighborhood, wearing the Predator mask and alien device as his Halloween costume. Just after he leaves, Emily is shocked to see McKenna barge in the door – it's been years since their divorce. Panicking when he finds Rory is missing, McKenna and the loonies take off.
While Rory is trick-or-treating, he accidentally activates the masks targeting mechanism. The weapon on his shoulder erupts with a stream of fiery plasma, blowing open the door and completely incinerating the stranger's house.
McKenna sees the explosion and speeds towards it. Rory is frozen, hiding in a baseball dugout and surrounded by two Predator dogs – the Predators have brought them along to help them sniff out targets. McKenna yanks Rory away just as the Predator approaches, his eyes locking onto the device in Rory's hands. Sensing something, the Predator swings around to find an even bigger Predator. The smaller Predator shields the team, raising its plasma cannon and firing two blasts at the larger Predator – but nothing happens. The large Predator's entire body is made of armor. The smaller Predator distracts the larger Predator so the team can escape, but it is no match for the upgraded creature. McKenna is stunned; why did the Predator protect them.
Later, Casey breaks big news to McKenna: testing the Predator blood samples she took from the lab, she's discovered that the Predators are becoming bigger and stronger by mixing their DNA with samples from different species. Some of these new hybrids are kept as pets that will help them hunt their prey – like the dogs, but even scarier. Just then, a helicopter lands nearby – the Stargazer team. McKenna orders the loonies to disperse, but he, Rory, Casey and Williams are captured by Traeger. After realizing that Rory understands the alien language, Traeger tears him away from McKenna, intent on using him to trap the remaining Predator.
McKenna escapes and frees the rest of the captured loonies to go after his son. His first priority is saving Rory. After that, he and the loonies will give everything they've got in a battle to defeat the Predator.
Whether you think this is going to be a great movie or not, I hope everyone, because we are fans, can enjoy at least pieces (for me, I'll enjoy it until the suburbs). And I agree with the other poster that there are a lot of similarities to Rodriguez' Predators from the remote controlling the ship to different types of predators and their pets.
I just wanted to share, word for word, what these people gave me to review. Thanks.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:09:35 PM
I'm just gonna say screw it. Here is what I was given to review and give opinions on characters, relationships, concepts, and story. It may not match what others have in their scripts (and I'm tired of hearing about it), but this is what they gave me and others to represent the movie. If you take issue with that, well take it up with them as they wrote it up for random people to review the movie.
It's word for word, not my interpretation, opinion, or from memory. (I sent screencaps from the survey breakdown to Admin Hicks when I first wrote about it)
Spoiler
In the Mexican jungle, LT. QUINN MCKENNA (played by Boyd Holbrook) looks down the barrel of an M24 rifle. An expert military sniper, McKenna is the leader of his squad and the one assigned to find, and kill, the drug lords who've kidnapped two DEA agents.
Just as McKenna gets the target in his sight, an alien spacecraft barrels through the forest, obliterating trees and sending debris everywhere. When the chaos subsides, McKenna finds a futuristic-looking device and presses a button. Suddenly, he sees something out of the corner of his eye: a massive, dreadlocked alien creature just two feet away. It's got to be 8 feet tall and at least 500 pounds, with terrifying sharp teeth and an exposed mandible. A scary - and ugly - motherf**ker. Though he doesn't know it, McKenna has discovered a PREDATOR. He darts backward in fear, but the beast is unconscious - it was invisible until he pressed that button. Despite his urge to flee, curiosity gets the best of McKenna as he moves to lift the alien's mask, recoiling in disgust at the creature's hideous insect-like face. McKenna takes the mask and device, knowing that no one would believe him without proof, and escapes into the jungle. McKenna, back turned, is running away when the creature twitches ominously.
As McKenna goes in search of his team, he hears bloodcurdling screams. He runs towards the commotion, finding his entire team dead. They have been shredded, brutally eviscerated. McKenna shudders at the gruesome scene. Seeing a helicopter land in the distance, he watches as commander WILL TRAEGER (played by Sterling K. Brown) steps out. Traeger prepares his team for a mission; warning them that Predators hunt humans for sport. A predator war cry rings out as Traeger's men begin the hunt.
Meanwhile, in suburban Georgia, McKenna's son exits a school-bus. Socially awkward, RORY (played by Jacob Tremblay) is being followed by two bullies, who taunt him and call him names. The bullies chase him into the park, and shove Rory into an old man's chess game, sending the pieces flying everywhere. The old man gets the bullies to scatter, and when he turns around, Rory has put every piece in the exact same place it had been. Rory heads home to find a beat-up package from Mckenna. Picking it up tenderly, he wonders where his Dad is now; he misses him fiercely.
At the same time, in a military psych ward, McKenna is being questioned by mysterious psychologists about the incident in Mexico. He's evasive as they ask for information about his encounter with the Predator, knowing that they want to lock him in a looney bin. Having failed this test, McKenna is escorted to a bus with men in prison scrubs. All special-ops guys with checkered pasts who the military has no use for anymore. Some have PTSD from their experiences in intense combat situations, and they're all a little "off" because of it - so McKenna fits right in. His seatmate, NEBRASKA WILLIAMS (played by Trevante Rhodes) introduces himself while the rest of the men tell dirty jokes and taunt each other - until the military policeman yells at them to shut up. McKenna daydreams of returning home and starting a real relationship with his son. They're only a short way into the journey when the military policeman receives a call, and looks pointedly at McKenna before turning the bus around. They're going back: a scientist wants to meet with McKenna about the incident in Mexico.
CASEY BRACKET (played by Olivia Munn) is that scientist. Brilliant, young and tough, she has been called on to help with the top-secret Project Stargazer, a government task force investigating the Predator threat. Seeing the alien equipment and weaponry on display, Casey is awestruck. But looking out onto the laboratory, it gets even more unbelievable – there's a dead creature strapped to a table. Traeger, the CIA commander asks her if she'd like to meet the Predator, and Casey, enthusiastically agrees. Once she's in the main lab, Traeger shows Casey the test results from the Predator. She is shocked to discover it has human DNA – she's here to help them understand why.
Back in the Georgia suburbs, Rory's mom EMILY (played by Yvonne Strahovski) arrives home and finds her son studying language books. Not every 12-year-old knows four languages, but Rory certainly isn't like most 12-year-olds. Halloween is in a few days, and though she offers him a choice of two different costumes, he's unenthused by both. Rory retreats to his basement lair, eagerly tearing open the package from his Dad. His eyes widen as he sees the Predator mask and alien device. On the device, a code scrolls in cryptic patterns. Rory's incredible capacity for languages is evident as he scribbles the symbols on a folder. His mind works quickly as he translates the alien language. Human interaction may not be Rory's thing, but this is.
As he works on the language, Rory tinkers with the device. He doesn't know it, but as he punches in codes on his display, the spaceship's steering and visibility change: Rory is controlling an alien spaceship floating above Earth. A different, noticeably bigger Predator than the one we've seen so far is at the controls; wielding a device that looks similar to Rory's - getting frustrated as he's thrown off course by Rory's meddling.
The Predator ship careens toward the lab where Casey is studying the Predator's blood. She grows uneasy as she contemplates her surroundings: how do they know it didn't want to be captured? She is jolted back to the present as an alarm goes off, warning that an unidentified aircraft is nearby. Suddenly, the Predator opens its eyes and snaps its restraints - it was pretending to be dead the whole time. Casey runs out of the lab just as the Predator begins its rampage. Security rushes the creature, but it easily tosses them away, crushing their bones. The creature sees a man cowering in the corner – easy prey. It beheads the man in one motion and cuts off his arm to use his fingerprints to exit. Eerily, it mimics the man's voice perfectly, saying his name to open the door. Now in the same room with Casey, the creature sees her – but for some reason doesn't kill her, and continues out the door.
McKenna and the van of prisoners arrives at the Project Stargazer site amidst the chaos. The distraction allows them to outsmart the military police, taking their guns and control of the bus. The group of "loonies" has gone rogue. McKenna, spotting the fleeing Predator on the horizon, grabs a sniper rifle and tells Williams to floor it: that thing killed his men. The rest of the loonies see it too – McKenna isn't crazy after all – but the Predator vanishes over the perimeter wall, firing at the bus as it goes. McKenna rescues Casey as they speed away, saving her from execution by Traeger's team. McKenna knows they don't want any witnesses to this disaster.
Now part of McKenna's rag-tag loonies, Casey tells the group that she thinks the Predator was looking for something. McKenna realizes with dread that it's headed to Georgia – for Rory. He must get there before the Predator does.
Oblivious to the danger he is in, Rory decides to trick-or-treat in his neighborhood, wearing the Predator mask and alien device as his Halloween costume. Just after he leaves, Emily is shocked to see McKenna barge in the door – it's been years since their divorce. Panicking when he finds Rory is missing, McKenna and the loonies take off.
While Rory is trick-or-treating, he accidentally activates the masks targeting mechanism. The weapon on his shoulder erupts with a stream of fiery plasma, blowing open the door and completely incinerating the stranger's house.
McKenna sees the explosion and speeds towards it. Rory is frozen, hiding in a baseball dugout and surrounded by two Predator dogs – the Predators have brought them along to help them sniff out targets. McKenna yanks Rory away just as the Predator approaches, his eyes locking onto the device in Rory's hands. Sensing something, the Predator swings around to find an even bigger Predator. The smaller Predator shields the team, raising its plasma cannon and firing two blasts at the larger Predator – but nothing happens. The large Predator's entire body is made of armor. The smaller Predator distracts the larger Predator so the team can escape, but it is no match for the upgraded creature. McKenna is stunned; why did the Predator protect them.
Later, Casey breaks big news to McKenna: testing the Predator blood samples she took from the lab, she's discovered that the Predators are becoming bigger and stronger by mixing their DNA with samples from different species. Some of these new hybrids are kept as pets that will help them hunt their prey – like the dogs, but even scarier. Just then, a helicopter lands nearby – the Stargazer team. McKenna orders the loonies to disperse, but he, Rory, Casey and Williams are captured by Traeger. After realizing that Rory understands the alien language, Traeger tears him away from McKenna, intent on using him to trap the remaining Predator.
McKenna escapes and frees the rest of the captured loonies to go after his son. His first priority is saving Rory. After that, he and the loonies will give everything they've got in a battle to defeat the Predator.
Whether you think this is going to be a great movie or not, I hope everyone, because we are fans, can enjoy at least pieces (for me, I'll enjoy it until the suburbs). And I agree with the other poster that there are a lot of similarities to Rodriguez' Predators from the remote controlling the ship to different types of predators and their pets.
I just wanted to share, word for word, what these people gave me to review. Thanks.
Some of it sounded interesting, like the beginning. Other parts seem really campy in context of reading the synopsis. But thanks for sharing.
I really wanna see the film even more. Nothing wrong with that. I'm confident that Black will execute this in a way I'll enjoy. In less capable hands it could go to shit.
Oh, I can see the confusion based on the wording of that synopsis. Still, no, in the script I read I personally didn't take it as a Predator 'sacrificing itself' for humans.
This Predator also kills
Spoiler
countless people at Project Stargazer and all of McKenna's men. It goes after Rory in order to recover the sensor-mask and equipment McKenna took from it, and yes, it does battle the Upgrade and tells the humans to run (after tussling with McKenna again). They are not sport and they are not its objective. But it does not - again, to me - read as some noble sacrifice in the actual script I read. The Predator and the Upgrade are locked in conflict from the first page of the script - the first two pages of the draft I have are a conflict in orbit(?).
It's not mentioned here but in the draft I read Rory also manages to trigger 'safari' footage of the Predator's hunts on other worlds that projects as a hologram from the mask - showing first-person hunt footage. McKenna also flashes back to an experience in Afghanistan(?) and uses the Predator's cloaking device (a globe) to move about Cuba (now possibly Mexico) undetected before he is apprehended by Traeger. I always thought those bits were neat and I hope it hasn't been cut, as this summary glosses over a lot of stuff.
Incidentally, this synopsis is vague on a number of points:
Spoiler
it doesn't kill Casey because she is the only one in the facility to detect its ruse and draw on it with a weapon, then flees into containment instead of standing around to try to take it on toe-to-toe or gawk like the rest. When the Predator does get to her after slaughtering the rest she is (IIRC) naked in decon and defenseless with a jammed gun. No sport.
Also, her name is 'Brackett' a la
Halloween.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 07:35:48 PM
Oh, I can see the confusion based on the wording of that synopsis. Still, no, in the script I read I personally didn't take it as a Predator 'sacrificing itself' for humans.
This Predator also kills Spoiler
countless people at Project Stargazer and all of McKenna's men. It goes after Rory in order to recover the sensor-mask and equipment McKenna took from it, and yes, it does battle the Upgrade and tells the humans to run (after tussling with McKenna again). They are not sport and they are not its objective. But it does not - again, to me - read as some noble sacrifice in the actual script I read. The Predator and the Upgrade are locked in conflict from the first page of the script.
Incidentally, this synopsis is vague on a number of points: Spoiler
it doesn't kill Casey because she is the only one in the facility to detect its ruse and draw on it with a weapon, then flees into containment instead of standing around to try to take it on toe-to-toe or gawk like the rest. When the Predator does get to her after slaughtering the rest she is (IIRC) naked in decon and defenseless with a jammed gun. No sport.
Also, her name is 'Brackett' a la Halloween.
What are you talking about? There is zero commentary on what I think the predator will do for humans in that synopsis.
Again just stick to what I posted.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:42:20 PM
What are you talking about? There is zero commentary on what I think the predator will do for humans in that synopsis.
Chill out, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about Predator_Spirit's claim that the Predators are buddy-buddy with humans, sacrificing themselves, etc. vis a vis what's in the synopsis you just leaked. I wanted to address the discrepancy and I felt it would be dishonest not to do so.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:42:20 PM
What are you talking about? There is zero commentary on what I think the predator will do for humans in that synopsis.
Chill out, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about Predator_Spirit's claim that the Predators are buddy-buddy with humans, sacrificing themselves, etc. vis a vis what's in the synopsis you just leaked. I wanted to address the discrepancy and I felt it would be dishonest not to do so.
Then stick to what Predator Spirit posted. Why drag what I have into it? As far as I'm concerned, everyone who has posted information is right until the movie airs. And even then, they could all be right because who knows what will be changed by the time they film the scenes.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:47:49 PM
Then stick to what Predator Spirit posted. Why drag what I have into it? And even then, they could all be right because who knows what will be changed by the time they film the scenes.
Because I'm trying to be responsible with what I talk about, and not give anyone the impression I am trying to mislead them. This has nothing to do with you beyond my perusing what you leaked and seeing where the wording of something could be an issue for someone based on what was literally just posted before you. If you have a problem with me breathing in your general direction when we're both discussing the same topic and what you post is pertinent to the ongoing topic then that's your problem, I'm not making it mine. If your feelings are bruised I can't help that, I'm sorry.
QuoteAs far as I'm concerned, everyone who has posted information is right until the movie airs.
Except for people who haven't read the script but are telling me I don't know what's in it and demanding I account for their poorly-detailed secondhand information. Which is not you, so don't worry about it.
Chill out guys.
I'm chilled.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:47:49 PM
Then stick to what Predator Spirit posted. Why drag what I have into it? And even then, they could all be right because who knows what will be changed by the time they film the scenes.
Because I'm trying to be responsible with what I talk about, and not give anyone the impression I am trying to mislead them. This has nothing to do with you beyond my perusing what you leaked and seeing where the wording of something could be an issue for someone based on what was literally just posted before you. If you have a problem with me breathing in your general direction when we're both discussing the same topic and what you post is pertinent to the ongoing topic then that's your problem, I'm not making it mine. If your feelings are bruised I can't help that, I'm sorry.
QuoteAs far as I'm concerned, everyone who has posted information is right until the movie airs.
Except for people who haven't read the script but are telling me I don't know what's in it and demanding I account for their poorly-detailed secondhand information. Which is not you, so don't worry about it.
I don't think telling you to not drag my posts in petty back and for debates with other posters is asking too much. I have zero feelings about you dude. But don't use my posts for your petty arguments with others. Simple. That's being responsible.
Speedy I never questioned the validity of your information or anyone elses. You are the only one lecturing everyone about what is truth, who actually read the script, and honesty.
So maybe you do need to chill. I have no issue beyond you misrepresenting what I say and using my posts for fights with others.
To be fair Paperhearts. You have made your post public and Speedy only used your post as a cross reference and as you said, they are not your words.
At the moment you are now in a back and forth with him.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:58:14 PM
You are the only one lecturing everyone about what is truth and honesty.
Does not compute
QuoteI have no issue beyond you misrepresenting what I say and using my posts for fights with others.
That's not what I'm doing. I explained why I addressed the synopsis very clearly a couple posts above, and it had nothing to do with you.
In our past interactions I compared and contrasted what you were posting from a general summary with the script I have. If you resent me for doing so, I can't do anything about that. I'm not trying to misrepresent anything you say - or myself, for that matter - I'm just trying to be as honest and exact and accurate as I can with the information I have and the other info in the mix. I suspected someone would ask me about material in your synopsis and I wanted to deal with that honestly, as I said above.
If that makes you feel insulted, I'm sorry. I'm completely disinterested in getting into another back and forth with you, but if you're going to post information for discussion it's likely I might discuss it - which I did, and I'm done. Bye.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 20, 2017, 08:01:52 PM
To be fair Paperheats. You have made your post public and Speedy only used your post as a cross reference.
At the moment you are now in a back and forth with him.
Except it was part of a petty "this is why you are wrong" post. And in that same post, he also used what was in my synopsis, reworded it as if he was giving everyone more spoilers, to validate his post. I wasn't going to point that out, but his posts rubbed me the wrong way.
And yeah he sucked me into yet another little fight. The only one I'm angry with is myself for being suckered in by him again.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 08:05:13 PM
Except it was part of a petty "this is why you are wrong" post. And in that same post, he also used what was in my synopsis, reworded it as if he was giving everyone more spoilers, to validate his post.
You are thinking this through a lot more than I did. All I did was examine the synopsis to see if there was anything that could be misconstrued or clarified, like the note about the Predator and the mention of Casey at Stargazer. I mentioned the omitted material because I happened to like those scenes and hope they're still in. That's it.
I'm really sorry, but I'm not a mustache-twirling supervillain. I
really don't give a shit about fighting with you as much as you seem to be angry with me. I cross-referenced your post because it was relevant to the immediate discussion. That's all the thought I've given you today, until now.
Ok. I Don't want to be involved in these battles. I just think we should all be a bit more tolerant with one and other. There is much lost in translation when posting vs actually talking face to face.
Thanks for the post showing what you recieved though. I enjoyed the read.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 08:05:13 PM
Except it was part of a petty "this is why you are wrong" post. And in that same post, he also used what was in my synopsis, reworded it as if he was giving everyone more spoilers, to validate his post.
You are thinking this through a lot more than I did. All I did was examine the synopsis to see if there was anything that could be misconstrued or clarified, like the note about the Predator and the mention of Casey at Stargazer. I mentioned the omitted material because I happened to like those scenes and hope they're still in. That's it.
I'm really sorry, but I'm not a mustache-twirling supervillain. I really don't give a shit about fighting with you as much as you seem to be angry with me. I cross-referenced your post because it was relevant to the immediate discussion. That's all the thought I've given you today, until now.
Dude you do come of a little dickish with sentences like that last one.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 20, 2017, 08:10:47 PM
Dude you do come of a little dickish with with sentences like the last.
Consider the other poster's continued approach vector.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:58:14 PM
You are the only one lecturing everyone about what is truth and honesty.
Does not compute
QuoteI have no issue beyond you misrepresenting what I say and using my posts for fights with others.
That's not what I'm doing. I explained why I addressed the synopsis very clearly a couple posts above, and it had nothing to do with you.
In our past interactions I compared and contrasted what you were posting from a general summary with the script I have. If you resent for me doing so, I can't do anything about that. I'm not trying to misrepresent anything you say - or myself, for that matter - I'm just trying to be as honest and exact and accurate as I can with the information I have and the other info in the mix. I suspected someone would ask me about material in your synopsis and I wanted to deal with that honestly, as I said above.
If that makes you feel insulted, I'm sorry. I'm completely disinterested in getting into another back and forth with you, but if you're going to post information for discussion it's likely I might discuss it - which I did, and I'm done. Bye.
No speedy. Since the very first day I posted what I had, you questioned me, the validity of what I had. Then you continued to respond to everything I posted and my own opinions because of your script this and that. You can keep reinterpreting our interactions in your favor, but I'm going to straight up repeat what I've already told you.
Don't use my posts for your petty fights with others and don't misrepresent what I say to fit whatever victim narrative you are pushing. Stick to that and we are cool.
You didn't do anything wrong Russ. I apologize for participating in nonsense and diverting the topic. It's as much my fault for letting him get to me.
As for the script, I'm happy to share. I was being a scared puss about sharing at first but I said screw it. Hopefully there is still time to fix problem parts of the script. But at least I like the first half of the movie as of right now.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:58:14 PM
You are the only one lecturing everyone about what is truth and honesty.
Does not compute
QuoteI have no issue beyond you misrepresenting what I say and using my posts for fights with others.
That's not what I'm doing. I explained why I addressed the synopsis very clearly a couple posts above, and it had nothing to do with you.
In our past interactions I compared and contrasted what you were posting from a general summary with the script I have. If you resent for me doing so, I can't do anything about that. I'm not trying to misrepresent anything you say - or myself, for that matter - I'm just trying to be as honest and exact and accurate as I can with the information I have and the other info in the mix. I suspected someone would ask me about material in your synopsis and I wanted to deal with that honestly, as I said above.
If that makes you feel insulted, I'm sorry. I'm completely disinterested in getting into another back and forth with you, but if you're going to post information for discussion it's likely I might discuss it - which I did, and I'm done. Bye.
No speedy. Since the very first day I posted what I had, you questioned me, the validity of what I had.
I don't think I'm the only one who was asking those questions based on your vague introduction. I'm sorry we had healthy skepticism, but neither of us has exactly been thrown a Rose Parade upon arrival in this folder. I don't enjoy that treatment either but life goes on.
QuoteThen you continued to respond to everything I posted and my own opinions because of your script this and that.
Yes, because you have one take on the material and I have another, and one of us has a summary (which I did not realize at the time) and one of us has a script. Based on those factors there is going to be a natural conflict in the discussion. That doesn't mean it's a vendetta. It is not personal to me.
QuoteDon't use my posts for your petty fights with others and don't misrepresent what I say to fit whatever victim narrative you are pushing.
I don't have one. I came here to talk about the movie; you're talking about you and me. That's your narrative, I'm not interested in it. I suggest you go back and re-read our interactions, and remember that for the most part I was under the impression you were talking about the actual script. I hope you'll see it's not what you've built up in your mind.
Like I say Paperheart, I don't see anything there that is damning for this movie if executed well by Black. I think we will get a good, if not great, movie.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 20, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Like I say. I don't see anything there that is damning for this movie if executed well by Black.
I just don't like the kid parts of this movie. I can handle cheese and absurdity in any movie. Sometimes it's fun. The genius kid trope (whatever it's called) is something I have never liked in movies.
I don't think this movie will be damned though. It will make it's budget back in the box office if not more.
I need to edit:
You are right though Russ, if I get a great first half, it will be enough for me to overlook the kid parts. I know people didn't like Predators here, but I did for the most part. If I get something better than that for the first half, I'm good. Hell maybe I could edit the movie later on and eliminate the kid scenes. lol
Lol. I too liked predators. I'm confident of a better movie here. I can see your concerns though. If you are not fond of the kid trope in movies then that's a legit gripe. Hopefully it surprises you and you enjoy the whole thing, kid included.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 20, 2017, 07:58:14 PM
You are the only one lecturing everyone about what is truth and honesty.
Does not compute
QuoteI have no issue beyond you misrepresenting what I say and using my posts for fights with others.
That's not what I'm doing. I explained why I addressed the synopsis very clearly a couple posts above, and it had nothing to do with you.
In our past interactions I compared and contrasted what you were posting from a general summary with the script I have. If you resent for me doing so, I can't do anything about that. I'm not trying to misrepresent anything you say - or myself, for that matter - I'm just trying to be as honest and exact and accurate as I can with the information I have and the other info in the mix. I suspected someone would ask me about material in your synopsis and I wanted to deal with that honestly, as I said above.
If that makes you feel insulted, I'm sorry. I'm completely disinterested in getting into another back and forth with you, but if you're going to post information for discussion it's likely I might discuss it - which I did, and I'm done. Bye.
No speedy. Since the very first day I posted what I had, you questioned me, the validity of what I had. Then you continued to respond to everything I posted and my own opinions because of your script this and that. You can keep reinterpreting our interactions in your favor, but I'm going to straight up repeat what I've already told you.
Don't use my posts for your petty fights with others and don't misrepresent what I say to fit whatever victim narrative you are pushing. Stick to that and we are cool.
You didn't do anything wrong Russ. I apologize for participating in nonsense and diverting the topic. It's as much my fault for letting him get to me.
As for the script, I'm happy to share. I was being a scared puss about sharing at first but I said screw it. Hopefully there is still time to fix problem parts of the script. But at least I like the first half of the movie as of right now.
I'm on your side and appreciate it the generous sharing by might causing trouble.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 20, 2017, 08:29:22 PM
Lol. I too liked predators. I'm confident of a better movie here. I can't see your concerns though. If you are not fond of the kid trope in movies then that's a legit gripe. Hopefully it surprises you and you enjoy the whole thing, kid included.
I'm not worried about the kid parts, the young guy is a phenomenal actor, Holbrook can act, Brown can act, Jane can act...etc, I'm thinking this movie is gonna surprise us all and everyone's gonna forget about Predators
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Everyone forgot about Predators years ago.
Hicks will probably lock this thread soon.
I liked predators. Nothing groundbreaking but also nothing insulting.
Expanded the universe a little, introducing us to, effectively, a different predator ethnicity/race/sub species.
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 20, 2017, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 20, 2017, 08:29:22 PM
Lol. I too liked predators. I'm confident of a better movie here. I can't see your concerns though. If you are not fond of the kid trope in movies then that's a legit gripe. Hopefully it surprises you and you enjoy the whole thing, kid included.
I'm not worried about the kid parts, the young guy is a phenomenal actor, Holbrook can act, Brown can act, Jane can act...etc, I'm thinking this movie is gonna surprise us all and everyone's gonna forget about Predators
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From the impression I got, Jane is just part of the crew. Is there spoilers or rumors he has a decent role because that would be great!
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And Lotus I'm glad I had something to share with other fans.
Paperheart. I edited my post.
I meant that I CAN (not can't) see your concerns, if the kid thing is something you dont get along with.
I understood you Russ
I think the species in Predators was good but they shouldn't have advanced them without giving the classic Predator a boost too. It just made them too invincible, too powerful, to the point that it wouldn't make any sense that any less advanced species could take them down. That's what needs to be fixed here. I mean if they are superior in technology and intelligence, they should have already fixed or found a way to protect against their vulnerabilities. I think it's a bit weak if in the new movie they are still able to take down these upgrade predators with the same tactics from 30 years ago.
I do think the kid actor is great and that
Spoiler
the boy genius is an easy bridge to eliminate the lack of communication Predator and Humans have with each other for future movies. Also, if they are able to decode the Predator language, they have room to expand on CIA experimenting with Predator DNA and using their technology for their own means. Which is most likely gonna happen if not already in this movie.
I forgave the fact that the classic predator got shown up because he had been hung on the cross for goodness knows how long and still put up a fairly good fight.
Yeah hopfully these new predators are handled well.
Hey paperhearts, thanks for sharing that, it was an interesting read.
I am liking what I've seen so far.
Regarding what Russ said above about Classic, he does have a point when you think about it, it's never really said how long Classic's crucified for.
Many people over the internet pointed out to the fact that Classic puts up a decent fight makes him a badass, he's probably starved, dehydrated and exhausted as hell, maybe even sleep deprived and very uncomfortable from being in that position for days or weeks.
And yet still stands his ground.
Whereas the "Super" Predators got killed by humans, all three of them, one got killed by a katana. Compare these three to Anytime's performance in the first film and Classics are the ones who are super. ;D
Since it's never stated, I think that the Super Predators are just an ethnicity. They were meant to be similar to these ones where they'd augment their DNA but this never came about so for all we know, they're just a different race of Predator. Every film has its own unique design, look at the face of City Hunter and compared to Anytime, he is very different.
Oh, I also noticed some interesting things in your spoiler!
Spoiler
The Classic playing dead and fooling the scientists, it reminds me of how in the comic 'Predator: Captive', the Predator does this exact trick.
All of his vitals are literally flat lined on the screen and everyone apart from one guy assume he's dead, the one guy asks "what if he's playing possum?" and bam, the Predator gets up and slaughters everyone who entered.
Something similar happens in Predator: Incursion, the first novel in the Rage War trilogy.
In the far future, a captured Yautja (implied to be female as she's called "Eve" by the scientists) commits suicide by "willing her hearts to stop", which to me sounds like this 'turn off organs' trick, but turned them off long enough to die because of the constant vivisections and experiments the scientists did on her.
Also in the Rage War, a character also develops a translator to communicate with the Yautja, just like will apparently happen in this film with crude translators (in the first book it was very crude as well but improved by the second book.)
Yes, there are
Spoiler
crude translators in this film which the Predators use to communicate briefly with McKenna and his squad.
The main 'classic' Predator plays possum to infiltrate Stargazer and raid their storehouse of salvaged Predator tech.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 20, 2017, 09:54:49 PM
Many people over the internet pointed out to the fact that Classic puts up a decent fight makes him a badass, he's probably starved, dehydrated and exhausted as hell, maybe even sleep deprived and very uncomfortable from being in that position for days or weeks.
And yet still stands his ground.
Whereas the "Super" Predators got killed by humans, all three of them, one got killed by a katana. Compare these three to Anytime's performance in the first film and Classics are the ones who are super. ;D
Who wants to see the most iconic alien monster ever humiliated like a wimp by a half assed, wrongly designed supah predator ?
What's the point of doing it in the upcoming movie too ? The fans despised it.
Some fans despised it.
Besides it made the Classic seem better.
He put up a good fight despite being starved, dehydrated and tired of life. You act like he was strung up yesterday by the time Royce was dropped on the planet. Classic looked quite banged up and his mask was damaged.
It was most likely three Supes against one Classic when they crucified him, again, how does this denigrate the Classics? Let's see you beat up three muscular jocks ganging up on you lol. The Motion Comic shows the Classic's ambush by them.
Falconer lost to a Yakuza, we haven't seen a healthy Classic lose to one.
We don't know yet how the Classics will be faring in the new film, even if it's written in the script, it might be subject to some changes until the movie releases.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 20, 2017, 10:54:57 PM
We don't know yet how the Classics will be faring in the new film, even if it's written in the script, it might be subject to some changes until the movie releases.
It's written in the script, the classic pred stands between the hybrid and the heroes, fires two shots with no effect then the hybrid grabs it and tears it apart Alien Queen style.
Killed in 10 sec.Even if they make the fight longer during filming, it doesn't change the fact that their useless new supah preds are not what the fans wanna see.They want to see the classic preds rule like in the first two movies.
That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who just came off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
All I'll say is I think the classic Predators in this script have a solid and respectful run despite the odds they come up against later in the picture.
I didn't think about those factors. It does change my opinion (better) for that movie. But I am one of those people who wants to see Classic defeat the upgrade. And the Classic should fare better than humans going one on one with an upgrade. If he ends up ripped apart in an easy fight, I won't like it myself.
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Spirit, it does say that this upgrade is in full armor during that baseball scene. And from the drops here, there is more mention of using their tech against them, especially with the kid genius. So that's probably how they excuse showing Classics getting whooped by upgrades and how humans end up winning: because of the advanced tech.
So far these super predators or upgrades aren't very appealing because we haven't seen any personality like we did in the original/classic. I think they need that before any fans who prefer Classics will give an inch. It's the same issues other movies have with introducing and pushing this superior and more advanced foe where no one has a chance of winning against them. They focus on their superiority and we get zero depth on the character. but by the end of the movie they end up defeated anyway with some loophole or without much effort.
The summary says
Spoiler
"the Predator's body is made of armor." This is another way of describing what is the script, which says the Upgrade is not wearing armor but that his skin is his armor. They're both saying the same thing, it's semantics.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who was just comes off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
Super Predators don't get owned by skinny wimps like Boyd.
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Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who was just comes off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
Super Predators don't get owned by skinny wimps like Boyd.
He's not a wimp, but he doesn't own it. The final fight is much more complicated.
Quote from: Keith on Apr 21, 2017, 01:00:13 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who was just comes off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
Super Predators don't get owned by skinny wimps like Boyd.
Please tell me how it happened because I'd like to know. I assume you also have a leaked script or read the leaks and know how it gets defeated?
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Quote from: Keith on Apr 21, 2017, 01:00:13 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who was just comes off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
Super Predators don't get owned by skinny wimps like Boyd.
Please tell me how it happened because I'd like to know. I assume you also have a leaked script or read the leaks and know how it gets defeated?
Just watch Predators where another skinny wimp takes out a "Super" Predator.
Quote from: Keith on Apr 21, 2017, 01:57:05 AM
Just watch Predators where another skinny wimp takes out a "Super" Predator.
This movie (and its ending) are not
Predators.
Quote from: paperhearts on Apr 21, 2017, 12:37:03 AM
I didn't think about those factors. It does change my opinion (better) for that movie. But I am one of those people who wants to see Classic defeat the upgrade. And the Classic should fare better than humans going one on one with an upgrade. If he ends up ripped apart in an easy fight, I won't like it myself.
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Spirit, it does say that this upgrade is in full armor during that baseball scene. And from the drops here, there is more mention of using their tech against them, especially with the kid genius. So that's probably how they excuse showing Classics getting whooped by upgrades and how humans end up winning: because of the advanced tech.
So far these super predators or upgrades aren't very appealing because we haven't seen any personality like we did in the original/classic. I think they need that before any fans who prefer Classics will give an inch. It's the same issues other movies have with introducing and pushing this superior and more advanced foe where no one has a chance of winning against them. They focus on their superiority and we get zero depth on the character. but by the end of the movie they end up defeated anyway with some loophole or without much effort.
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Baseball scene?
Quote from: Keith on Apr 21, 2017, 01:57:05 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: Keith on Apr 21, 2017, 01:00:13 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who was just comes off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
Super Predators don't get owned by skinny wimps like Boyd.
Please tell me how it happened because I'd like to know. I assume you also have a leaked script or read the leaks and know how it gets defeated?
Just watch Predators where another skinny wimp takes out a "Super" Predator.
Is it the one where a trained mercenary with more realistic non-roid muscles wields a very sharp axe made out of alien materials? And the one where said guy was getting his ass manhandled before a sniper had to distract the Predator and giving him an opening?
With that kind of criticism, you might as well rip into City Hunter too because his attacks were being physically blocked in hand to hand by another "skinny wimp."
I mean, Dutch used a log. Try getting that past AVPGalaxy today!
And for the umpteenth time:
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Neither that summary nor the script say the Upgrade is wearing armor. The summary says its body is armored. The script says it doesn't need armor and is not wearing any because its body is its armor.
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Quote from: Keith on Apr 21, 2017, 01:57:05 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: Keith on Apr 21, 2017, 01:00:13 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who was just comes off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
Super Predators don't get owned by skinny wimps like Boyd.
Please tell me how it happened because I'd like to know. I assume you also have a leaked script or read the leaks and know how it gets defeated?
Just watch Predators where another skinny wimp takes out a "Super" Predator.
Is it the one where a trained mercenary with more realistic non-roid muscles wields a very sharp axe made out of alien materials? And the one where said guy was getting his ass manhandled before a sniper had to distract the Predator and giving him an opening?
the dude looked about as intimidating as my Aunt Gertrude.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 21, 2017, 02:09:08 AM
With that kind of criticism, you might as well rip into City Hunter too because his attacks were being physically blocked in hand to hand by another "skinny wimp."
If Glover's a skinny wimp, then Boyd's a little girl.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 02:20:52 AM
I mean, Dutch used a log. Try getting that past AVPGalaxy today!
And for the umpteenth time: Spoiler
Neither that summary nor the script say the Upgrade is wearing armor. The summary says its body is armored. The script says it doesn't need armor and is not wearing any because its body is its armor.
Like it's skin is as tough as armor?
Yes. As I've said before.
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That's because he's clearly going against a new and actual Super Predator this time lol, not Berserker who was just comes off as a regular Predator from another ethnicity.
Super Predators don't get owned by skinny wimps like Boyd.
Please tell me how it happened because I'd like to know. I assume you also have a leaked script or read the leaks and know how it gets defeated?
Just watch Predators where another skinny wimp takes out a "Super" Predator.
Is it the one where a trained mercenary with more realistic non-roid muscles wields a very sharp axe made out of alien materials? And the one where said guy was getting his ass manhandled before a sniper had to distract the Predator and giving him an opening?
the dude looked about as intimidating as my Aunt Gertrude.
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With that kind of criticism, you might as well rip into City Hunter too because his attacks were being physically blocked in hand to hand by another "skinny wimp."
If Glover's a skinny wimp, then Boyd's a little girl.
Damn, don't ever get rude to Auntie Gertrude. :o
And come on, to a Predator, Glover's definitely a skinny wimp. Look at how Anytime mopped the floor with Arnold only for Pussyface to get mopped by Glover parrying with him hand to hand. Sure he got wounded beforehand but so was Berserker who got blown up at point blank and then sniped through the chest later on after being smacked by an alien axe several times etc.
There are times when "skinny wimps" beat up much larger opponents. Fights go beyond two chest pounding brawlers wrestling, it's about tactical thinking and speed as well.
So the guy who is as scary as Aunt Gertrude beating a Predator isn't as far fetched as you make it sound.
And neither is it far fetched if a little girl like Boyd beats the 10 foot tall Predator with tactics and tools. I mean, give little girl Boyd a plasma caster or something and the result could be devastating with such technology.
Glover used Predator technology against them, Royce used an alien axe which may or may not be Predator metal, so what's wrong with Boyd probably using some of their stuff against them?
The final fight is not a 1v1.
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Glover used Predator technology against them, Royce used an alien axe which may or may not be Predator metal, so what's wrong with Boyd probably using some of their stuff against them?
Boyd looks like he couldn't hurt a fly.
He's pretty cool in Narcos and Logan son
I thought he was pretty eh in Logan, but not by his own doing. His acting was fine, but he didn't have much to work with. His character ultimately didn't do much and was never much of a threat or presence.
Does he have better material in this one? I can picture him pulling off a Shane Black character.
I thought he made a lot out of a mediocre character in Logan. That's what I enjoyed.
He does have solid stuff here, very typical of a Black or Dekker action hero. Witty and action-packed. I think wit is his strength and there is an eccentricity to him which suits the writing.
I don't feel like this would be the real script. Pred scientists helping the humans out? mutated Preds? Nahhhh
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Glover used Predator technology against them, Royce used an alien axe which may or may not be Predator metal, so what's wrong with Boyd probably using some of their stuff against them?
Boyd looks like he couldn't hurt a fly.
Watch him in The Free World, his fight scene is pretty intense
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 02:20:52 AM
I mean, Dutch used a log. Try getting that past AVPGalaxy today!
Come-on now, it's unfair to generalise everyone here with two or three folks marooned by IMDB. And if those folk don't start maturing up their conversations and acting their supposed ages, I will start to get rid of them. My patience is worn super thin with them.
Quote from: Ushella on Apr 21, 2017, 10:23:54 AM
I don't feel like this would be the real script. Pred scientists helping the humans out? mutated Preds? Nahhhh
It's the real script.I understand your skepticism thought, it sounds really ridiculous.But it's the truth, hence why I want the fans to know
what's coming to them.If people can tolerate pred scientists defectors hanging around in a military base in daylight, they most likely will enjoy this movie.I personally can't tolerate this kind of stuffs in Predator.
I would suggest waiting dor the trailer to get a feel for the movie. If it still looks like something you cant tolerate, dont watch it. Also. Why dont you try to be a little more positive about it.
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I don't feel like this would be the real script. Pred scientists helping the humans out? mutated Preds? Nahhhh
It's the real script.I understand your skepticism thought, it sounds really ridiculous.But it's the truth, hence why I want the fans to know
what's coming to them.If people can tolerate pred scientists defectors hanging around in a military base in daylight, they most likely will enjoy this movie.I personally can't tolerate this kind of stuffs in Predator.
Are the Preds wearing human clothes?!!!
I have complete and utter faith in this movie. I'm a huge fan of the original and for me it's got everything an action movie truly needs. Though, to be honest, we can always shake things up a lil bit, ramp it up and make the already great material better. For The Predator, I'm cool with the cast, most of them are really talented and although they might look less manly than those guys in the original, their acting abilities unquestionably make up for that. Boyd Holbrook was legit in Logan, he's the real deal. The guy can act and is far from being a physically small guy. He's like 6'2, 190lbs, a great size for a special ops operative. I'm just saying in terms of physicality, the guy obviously looks the part. I don't get all these obsessions for huge, heavy bodybuilders gymrats kind of guy to play the lead. Boyd is fine and most importantly he's an amazing actor. The cast is fine, the rest of the crew is outstanding and all we need now is nimble, lithe and fast tall guys to look real good in The predator suits.
Quote from: DavidCollins on Apr 21, 2017, 12:36:01 PM
I have complete and utter faith in this movie. I'm a huge fan of the original and for me it's got everything an action movie truly needs. Though, to be honest, we can always shake things up a lil bit, ramp it up and make the already great material better. For The Predator, I'm cool with the cast, most of them are really talented and although they might look less manly than those guys in the original, their acting abilities unquestionably make up for that. Boyd Holbrook was legit in Logan, he's the real deal. The guy can act and is far from being a physically small guy. He's like 6'2, 190lbs, a great size for a special ops operative. I'm just saying in terms of physicality, the guy obviously looks the part. I don't get all these obsessions for huge, heavy bodybuilders gymrats kind of guy to play the lead. Boyd is fine and most importantly he's an amazing actor. The cast is fine, the rest of the crew is outstanding and all we need now is nimble, lithe and fast tall guys to look real good in The predator suits.
Thank you! I've been watching some of Brian A Prince's videos of him doing parkour and I think they're gonna make the predator do some sweet action scenes
Boyd is solid in everything I've seen him in so far
Don't need a reboot of the first, the first is my all-time favorite and it's now 2017, 30 yrs have passed and it's time to have some fun in this new movie....take the history of the first 2 and mix it up with the present day action and humor
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Thank you! I've been watching some of Brian A Prince's videos of him doing parkour and I think they're gonna make the predator do some sweet action scenes
Yeah man i've seen them all and i'm impressed, like really impressed. The guy pulls off some hardcore parkour moves despite his towering height and i honestly think it's safe to say that we're gonna get the best predator ever. The late Kevin Peter Hall was amazing and his stuff were jaw-dropping and all but this new guy is like a whole new level of "tall guys acrobatic performance". I love the original Predator, i even memorize every line from the movie and i remember every scene vividly. Though, i don't wanna get stuck in the past and i always wish someone can come up with another great Predator movie that can be as good or even better than the original. Again, i have complete and utter faith in The Predator.
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Thank you! I've been watching some of Brian A Prince's videos of him doing parkour and I think they're gonna make the predator do some sweet action scenes
Yeah man i've seen them all and i'm impressed, like really impressed. The guy pulls off some hardcore parkour moves despite his towering height and i honestly think it's safe to say that we're gonna get the best predator ever. The late Kevin Peter Hall was amazing and his stuff were jaw-dropping and all but this new guy is like a whole new level of "tall guys acrobatic performance". I love the original Predator, i even memorize every line from the movie and i remember every scene vividly. Though, i don't wanna get stuck in the past and i always wish someone can come up with another great Predator movie that can be as good or even better than the original. Again, i have complete and utter faith in The Predator.
You read my mind, I know the original word for word and scene for scene. Both guys hired for the predator I think will do a great job
Black won't let us down
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 03:07:23 AM
He's pretty cool in Narcos and Logan son
watched Logan the other day for the first time. I liked him in Logan, would of liked to see him more.
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He's pretty cool in Narcos and Logan son
watched Logan the other day for the first time. I liked him in Logan, would of liked to see him more.
Even my wife loved Logan and thought he was good in it, and my wife only likes a few comic movies
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I don't get where people are getting "Pred scientists" let alone "Predators in human clothes". Neither are in the script.
SpeedyMaxx, lol the predator in human clothes thing probably comes from a guy who watches Jeepers Creepers too much. Hey i got a question for ya, how funny do you think this movie is gonna be? I don't mind having hilarious scenes in a predator movie as long as the jokes have "shane black and fred dekker" written all over it. Their jokes crack me up everytime.
Sterling K Brown said it has a wicked sense of humor
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yeah man i know that. I've been keeping tab on the updates and i already read the sterling k brown interview. Just wanna make sure how funny exactly, how much can you tell us?
It's a pretty funny movie.
And what about the suspense?
Cool, i'm guessing this predator-hunting team is made up of funny badasses who cuss each other out, calling each other names and stuff but when shit hits the fan they will always watch your six. The kind of guys we want around.
Quote from: black on Apr 21, 2017, 02:01:30 PM
And what about the suspense?
Yes? I mean, there is suspense, yes.
Regarding "The guy in the suit can do parkour so the suit performance will be rad":
The suits weigh around 50kg. The reason you never see a suited Predator actor running at anything like full speed is it's physically impossible for them to do so. Ian Whyte's kind of jog in AvP is about the fastest they can manage. Parkour-like agility and movement is entirely out of the question for the suited performance (obviously not the CG parts) unless they've found a way to make the suits considerably lighter.
IIRC certain Predators in the script are mentioned as being very agile. So either they've changed up the practical suits or they've used CG for this, or that material has been scrapped.
I'd say CG, like they did in AvPR for when Wolf was particularly acrobatic.
Hell, even in the original movies if they needed the Predator to move quickly it was cloaked (attacking Dillon, moving through the trees, etc.). The red lycra silhouette suits were much, much lighter than the full latex suit and allowed them to achieve/cheat faster movements when needed
SiL, what if this time the suit weighs a whole lot less and we have a guy who's extremely light on his feet. I wasn't saying this parkour guy can do all the things he did with the predator suit on, the suit will definitely slow him down but given his remarkable ability to move around gracefully, he won't have a problem looking good doing normal movements in that suit. I'm not expecting this guy to do all the eye-popping parkour moves with the suit on, let's just say he can still blow us away with how fast he can run and how high he can jump in that suit.
I know, but I still think you're underestimating the weight. The original weighed 200 pounds (~100kg). I think in the commentary for AvP they said they got it down to about 100 pounds (~50kg). So the guy's not going to be able to run or jump much in the suit, if at all.
For reference, the lightest Godzilla ever weighed was about 30kg (~66 pounds) in Final Wars. There's really only so light they can make the suit.
What I imagine might be most likely, though, is that they do motion capture on the suit performers for use with the digital versions. This would give them the acrobatics of the actors, without weighing them down in 100 kilos of latex.
SiL, yeah, probably. The thing is, i personally don't wanna see the predator do acrobatic moves that will only make it look silly and retarded. Let's face it, the predator doing a back flip is possibly one of the dumbest sight we ever have to witness. I don't wanna see that happen. Unless the suit weighs the nimble performer down a lil bit, chances are he might be doing some acrobatic moves that look good when done by people but stupid as hell when the predator does it. You wanna see see the predator do back flip or the matrix style bullet dodge? A nimble performer in a cumbersome predator suit is the best way to go as long as the guy doesn't have to catch his breath after each step.
Literally anything other than walking and jogging a few feet is generally too much for the suit performers, so if they want more mobile predators it'll be done as effects. Like in every movie so far.
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SiL, yeah, probably. The thing is, i personally don't wanna see the predator do acrobatic moves that will only make it look silly and retarded. Let's face it, the predator doing a back flip is possibly one of the dumbest sight we ever have to witness. I don't wanna see that happen. Unless the suit weighs the nimble performer down a lil bit, chances are he might be doing some acrobatic moves that look good when done by people but stupid as hell when the predator does it. You wanna see see the predator do back flip or the matrix style bullet dodge? A nimble performer in a cumbersome predator suit is the best way to go as long as the guy doesn't have to catch his breath after each step.
I think they hired Brian A Prince to do some parkour jumping from building to building or trees, etc... I don't think their gonna do back flips or dose bullets matrix style...and I'm assuming those scenes The will have the lightest suit and CGI his wrist blades or armor. They did CGI for Logan with his blades, why can't they pull if off in this movie and still look badass?
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Yeah i'm cool with the motion capture stuff as long as the predator doesn't do back flips, side kicks or jumping jacks in this movie.
Quote from: DavidCollins on Apr 21, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Yeah i'm cool with the motion capture stuff as long as the predator doesn't do back flips, side kicks or jumping jacks in this movie.
I recall none of those.
A nimble, agile person in a cumbersome suit is way better than a sluggish pudgy person in that very suit. Brian A Prince and Kyle Strauts obviously have what it takes. A while back this Mike Konanec guy posted a picture of him with Brian A Prince, Darren Scherer and another tall guy i'm not familiar with. Mike didn't make it, not sure about Darren and the other tall guy i know nothing about. Shed some light?
Is there a line in the script where someone
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echobbase79 I have no idea, it sounds plausible though. They shot a bar/bar fight scene a couple weeks ago. Maybe the team got into a fight with a gang of bikers and when the cops show up they skedaddle hence the "Runnn Gooo Get to the choppaaaaa" line.
Have they actually cast a suit actor to play the main Predator?
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Have they actually cast a suit actor to play the main Predator?
Yeah, I believe so. Not sure of his name though.
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Glover used Predator technology against them, Royce used an alien axe which may or may not be Predator metal, so what's wrong with Boyd probably using some of their stuff against them?
Boyd looks like he couldn't hurt a fly.
We'll see how it plays out on screen in 2018.
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I don't feel like this would be the real script. Pred scientists helping the humans out? mutated Preds? Nahhhh
It's the real script.I understand your skepticism thought, it sounds really ridiculous.But it's the truth, hence why I want the fans to know
what's coming to them.If people can tolerate pred scientists defectors hanging around in a military base in daylight, they most likely will enjoy this movie.I personally can't tolerate this kind of stuffs in Predator.
Are the Preds wearing human clothes?!!!
Their design is not described, just the General walking and explaining that these preds are scientists and defectors who live in the base during the day and go out at night to hunt.
Shane posted a classic predator wearing military fatigue pants on Twitter so it's possible
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I don't feel like this would be the real script. Pred scientists helping the humans out? mutated Preds? Nahhhh
It's the real script.I understand your skepticism thought, it sounds really ridiculous.But it's the truth, hence why I want the fans to know
what's coming to them.If people can tolerate pred scientists defectors hanging around in a military base in daylight, they most likely will enjoy this movie.I personally can't tolerate this kind of stuffs in Predator.
Are the Preds wearing human clothes?!!!
Their design is not described, just the General walking and explaining that these preds are scientists and defectors who live in the base during the day and go out at night to hunt.
Shane posted a classic predator wearing military fatigue pants on Twitter so it's possible
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It reminds me of the Battlefield 4 cover artwork.
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The General never calls them scientists. They are not described as such when introduced. Just as Predators who defected.
Looking at the script again I do notice there are two spots where they are randomly referred to as 'scientists' without any other mention of that or explanation. But there's no other context for it in the story.
I wonder if there's any physical description on them, like are they just as muscular as the hunters and warriors? Is there anything that distinguishes them from the others?
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I wonder if there's any physical description on them, like are they just as muscular as the hunters and warriors? Is there anything that distinguishes them from the others?
There isn't any.
That makes it more exciting to wait and see them in the movie lol.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 08:36:59 PM
The General never calls them scientists. They are not described as such when introduced. Just as Predators who defected.
Looking at the script again I do notice there are two spots where they are randomly referred to as 'scientists' without any other mention of that or explanation. But there's no other context for it in the story.
Not randomly, they're referred as scientists.
Another question. Did you find out what role Jane got in the team and is it important?
I think I know who he plays. I imagine the characters he and Key presumably are playing come alive more during filming.
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Another question. Did you find out what role Jane got in the team and is it important?
In the survey, while Jane wasn't in the breakdown, he was mentioned along with a few other actors for me to rate on how interested I was to see him in this movie. He was only described as one of the "looney" crew.
I'm hoping that means the crew themselves get some screen time beyond supporting the main heroes.
They also asked multiple questions about Arnold and how much I liked him, his movies and if I knew he was in the first Predator.
EDIT: Arnold, Jane and the actor playing the former military member who helps McKenna (can't remember his name) were the only ones who got multiple questions asked.
Thanks for the answers. Although he would not be cannon fodder and maybe give him time.
There is an older member of the squad - I assume that's Jane.
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I think Alfie Allen is "Flyboy".
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What role is played by the fact that he is also a gambler in addition to a helicopter pilot?
I don't remember that character trait, but I don't have the script in front of me at the moment. Those supporting soldier characters (with the exception of Trevante Rhodes' role) were largely eccentric sketches in the draft I saw, which I found to be one of the draft's only weaknesses. (In fairness, they were also mostly as fleshed out as much of Dutch's squad in the original minus the more prominent leads like Mac, Dillon, etc.)
I would assume that with the roles now cast with some serious comic and action stars there is going to be a fair bit more to them - Black is not going to fob off Key or Jane with nothing.
I like most of the cast - Tremblay, Rhodes and Key in particular. The only cast member that is pretty random to me is Aguilera. He is a legitimate nobody. When he was announced it was akin to when Smollett, Hernandez, Ejogo and Seimetz were announced for Covenant in one fell swoop.
"Who?!"
I knew who all of the actors in AC you mentioned were. But casting unknowns doesn't bother me.
While it seems that this film is really crowded with characters and knowing the emphasis of Black making an accent on two characters...thats no good
It really doesn't have a huge ensemble.
One thing I like about this movie so far is Thomas Jane. I hope he goes all, "Punisher" on the Predator's ass and completely annihilates it at some point.
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I can see Boyd's character being more tactical-like, something along the lines of Rick Flag in SS. I can definitely see Alfie's character getting John Wick'd by the Pred.
That reminds me, John Wick would head-shot the Pred.Is it just me or does anyone else not like the kid aspect in this film? Personally, I never liked kids in these kinds of films (works alright with some horror films though) esp that this kid just so happens to be a prodigy in linguistics. I suppose it could work.
The intergalactic assassin Pred sounds fairly cool. I hope, one day, they make a movie just based on the Predators. As in their home world and it follow's one Pred's story-line going out with the pack on many different alien World's for hunting. Showing honour and codes amongst the Yautja. Maybe even make them relate-able somehow, also have the film solely in subtitles.
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I hope for the new movie (with minimal improvements) they keep the original P1 and P2 designs especially from P2 (lost tribe) design of the predators at the end of the movie. They were very "tribal" (bones, beads, shaman staffs etc) looking in appearance and had a tribal culture about them in which I think make them so unique, along with their futuristic technology. I really hated the look of the bulky man in suits too much armor look of the AVP predators, they looked like storm troopers instead of the alien type mysterious tribalism armor of the P1 and P2 predators even the Wolf predator armor and suit was tribe like, I would also like to see the the supreme clan elder of the predators similar to the NECA figure model especially the bone throne chair on the home planet. I hope Shane showcase some of their rituals and culture on the home planet also. They always reminded me of African tribesmen similar to the Dogon, Maasai and Zulu warriors with Rastafarian dread locks who happen to have stolen or found technology from a now extinct different alien species and used it for making themselves better hunters and advancing their culture while not losing their society tribal ways and code of conduct, also bring back the sub species super predators from PS, they advanced the mythology by hunting in 3 aspect, blood feud, plus they used minimal armor which made the look very cool.
I just hope Shane doesn't lose what made the predators awesome, a blend of tribal hunters with futuristic weapons hunting humans
I don't want to see DNA sucking predators, a 10 feet tall predator or spider mini predators either
Just turn the hybrid into à Bad blood classic pred that would help à lot.
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I hope for the new movie (with minimal improvements) they keep the original P1 and P2 designs especially from P2 (lost tribe) design of the predators at the end of the movie. etc etc
Yeah I know what you mean man. Hopefully the delay will allow them to make adjustments to the film's narrative.
I doubt that the script will change beyond recognition. Almost all that we do not like is connected with the child and he certainly will not be thrown out of the script.
He's one of the leads. Unless someone intends to abduct Jacob Tremblay like
The Ransom of Red Chief (google it) it's done.
And they're not likely to be f**king with Black and Dekker's script. That summary that got posted is basically the exact same as the draft I read minus a couple cosmetic changes to locations, and possibly a slight change re:
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Rory being autistic, or not.
Thank God that the predator does not require a ransom for him in the script
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Am I the only who's fine with the kid in the plot?
My big gripe is
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the dna and hybrids stuff. I dont want spider preds
, the kids is fine with me.
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I hope for the new movie (with minimal improvements) they keep the original P1 and P2 designs especially from P2 (lost tribe) design of the predators at the end of the movie. etc etc
Yeah I know what you mean man. Hopefully the delay will allow them to make adjustments to the film's narrative.
Same. I'm hoping that this delay isn't just scheduling to avoid the other movies that are for sure to take over the Box Office for their opening weekend. And I love the original design too but not opposed to updating the look.
And like you, I'm hoping for a good role for Jane.
Quote from: Doomofman on Apr 23, 2017, 06:15:15 PM
Am I the only who's fine with the kid in the plot?
I've always dug how Black and Dekker use kids in their movies, so I'm good with it.
I'm wondering what's new will add Black to the arsenal of predators. And I hope that it will not just be the redesign of what it was.
Quote from: black on Apr 23, 2017, 03:33:17 PM
I doubt that the script will change beyond recognition. Almost all that we do not like is connected with the child and he certainly will not be thrown out of the script.
They may fix stuffs but its gonna be a long shot.
Question for folks how have read or have access to the script.
My question regards
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the defector predators
There are a few things I want to know if they are explained in the script, hopefully can answer some of these
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So is there 2 of them? That was the impression I got but I don't know if anyone said it specifically. The other bit I want to know if there is an explanation for A) Why they need to go hunting at night and B) Why they are allowed go hunting at night. And lastly I suppose, do we see one of these hunts or is it just referenced?
I know I'm probably asking a bit much but hopefully someone can clarify some of that anyway
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Question for folks how have read or have access to the script.
My question regards Spoiler
the defector predators
There are a few things I want to know if they are explained in the script, hopefully can answer some of these
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So is there 2 of them? That was the impression I got but I don't know if anyone said it specifically. The other bit I want to know if there is an explanation for A) Why they need to go hunting at night and B) Why they are allowed go hunting at night. And lastly I suppose, do we see one of these hunts or is it just referenced?
I know I'm probably asking a bit much but hopefully someone can clarify some of that anyway
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There are 3 defectors.2 of 'em live in the military base since almost a year, they're allowed to go out at night and hunt just because they're predators, that's just it.That's what the general explains to the main character.They don't explain why it's during the night tho.
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The general satisfies the needs of predators at night ... Well, nonsense ...
;D
In the script, is there any true indication of the predator's brute strength? I mean i've always thought that a predator can take a hungry grizzly bear in a hand to hand combat (without the wristblades and plasma canon) or is that too much for a predator to handle?
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Quote from: Doomofman on Apr 24, 2017, 09:09:42 AM
Question for folks how have read or have access to the script.
My question regards Spoiler
the defector predators
There are a few things I want to know if they are explained in the script, hopefully can answer some of these
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So is there 2 of them? That was the impression I got but I don't know if anyone said it specifically. The other bit I want to know if there is an explanation for A) Why they need to go hunting at night and B) Why they are allowed go hunting at night. And lastly I suppose, do we see one of these hunts or is it just referenced?
I know I'm probably asking a bit much but hopefully someone can clarify some of that anyway
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There are 3 defectors.2 of 'em live in the military base since almost a year, they're allowed to go out at night and hunt just because they're predators, that's just it.That's what the general explains to the main character.They don't explain why it's during the night tho.
Hmmm that's what I was curious about
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I don't think there's ever been an indication before now that Predators NEED to hunt. Seems a bit mad that the general would let them go out and kill for sport.
Oh and lastly you didn't mention if they actually show a hunt or just reference it. I'd imagine from what you've said that it's just mentioned, just want to know for sure.
They do not show one.
There are
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apparently more than three defectors, but we only see three through the course of the story.
Hey Speedy, another question for you on sort of the same subject
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How do the Defectors communicate with the humans? Do they speak?
Quote from: Doomofman on May 02, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Hey Speedy, another question for you on sort of the same subject
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How do the Defectors communicate with the humans? Do they speak?
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They make pred sounds and the translation devices do the job.Like in the old Robert Rodriguez script
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 02, 2017, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 02, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Hey Speedy, another question for you on sort of the same subject
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How do the Defectors communicate with the humans? Do they speak?
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They make pred sounds and the translation devices do the job.Like in the old Robert Rodriguez script
That sounds good to me, much better than more talking preds
I don't share your opinion.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 02, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
I don't share your opinion.
How would you prefer they communicate?
I wasn't a huge fan of the predator 'talking' at the end of the first movie.
Do you have the script yet, Predator_Spirit? Have you read it? I mean, if you're still fielding questions about it for me, I feel like I ought to ask. Particularly since when you hadn't read it your friend was getting all sorts of details wrong which you were passing along to other people as though they were legit.
That one you did get right though, good job.
SpeedyMaxx, why are the defectors defected? Do they interact with the normal Predator?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
Do you have the script yet, Predator_Spirit? Have you read it? I mean, if you're still fielding questions about it for me, I feel like I ought to ask. Particularly since when you hadn't read it your friend was getting all sorts of details wrong which you were passing along to other people as though they were legit.
That one you did get right though, good job.
I'm pretty much 100 % right about all the details i've told to the other users, and I started to do it before you Speedymaxx. :laugh:
Nice try at making me look bad tho. :laugh:
You can continue to twist words Speedy and behave like a studio plant, I will continue to state the truth about that lame script.
This is the difference between you and me, I let other people decide for themselves if they like it or not.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 02, 2017, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 02, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
I don't share your opinion.
How would you prefer they communicate?
I wasn't a huge fan of the predator 'talking' at the end of the first movie.
I would prefer to see predators not befriending with humans.And not commuNicate further than what we've seen untill 1990 in the movies.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 02, 2017, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
Do you have the script yet, Predator_Spirit? Have you read it? I mean, if you're still fielding questions about it for me, I feel like I ought to ask. Particularly since when you hadn't read it your friend was getting all sorts of details wrong which you were passing along to other people as though they were legit.
That one you did get right though, good job.
I'm pretty much 100 % right about all the details i've told to the other users, and I started to do it before you Speedymaxx. :laugh:
Nice try at making me look bad tho. :laugh:
You can continue to twist words Speedy and behave like a studio plant, I will continue to state the truth about that lame script.
This is the difference between you and me, I let other people decide for themselves if they like it or not.Quote from: Doomofman on May 02, 2017, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 02, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
I don't share your opinion.
How would you prefer they communicate?
I wasn't a huge fan of the predator 'talking' at the end of the first movie.
I would prefer to see predators not befriending with humans.And not commuNicate further than what we've seen untill 1990 in the movies.
Yeah this is bad.
I'm trying to hang in there...but this is getting worse....
Quote from: overthere on May 02, 2017, 05:09:34 PM
SpeedyMaxx, why are the defectors defected? Do they interact with the normal Predator?
They are normal Predators AFAIK, but no. They defect
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because they do not agree with a plan of action being enabled by the 'upgraded' Predators. They do not interact with the original 'classic' Predator seen earlier in the story.
They also do not 'befriend humans.'
Speaking of that latest claim: Predator_Spirit, just admit you both haven't read the script and don't have it, which is why you and your buddy who apparently has it made many mistakes while playing your game of telephone. Including the various instances in which you insisted I was 'lying', and then it turns out your buddy is just a bad reader.
I've tried to give you a wide berth but this is enough. If you're still going to act like I'm a "studio plant" the least you can do is admit your track record is not exactly flawless, and stop misleading people with your subjective and often inaccurate interpretation of material you do not have access to and have not read. That's dishonest and borders on trolling.
I don't care if people make up their own minds about the movie. I do care if they're being fed random pieces of confused information by someone who has not even read the script. Which you haven't. Admit it and I'll stop asking every time you post about it, or rather every time you answer posts meant for me, which is what set me off. Keep answering for me as though you've read it, and I won't stop. Your choice.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
They are normal Predators AFAIK, and no. They defect Spoiler
because they do not agree with a plan of action being enabled by the 'upgraded' Predators.
I thought
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defectors are those spider-predators, like defects. Why are spiders spiders? Different species or just didn't win the genetic lottery?
These spoiler tags feel extremely redundant as the whole thread is labeled "potential spoilers" and is about the leaked script, where spoilers are inevitable.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: overthere on May 02, 2017, 05:09:34 PM
SpeedyMaxx, why are the defectors defected? Do they interact with the normal Predator?
Predators.[/spoiler] They do not 'befriend humans.'
Speaking of that claim: Predator_Spirit, just admit you both haven't read the script and don't have it
The predators befriend humans, live in the base with humans, and their will is to save the humans.They all die
while trying to protect the good guys too. ::) Are you denying these facts because it makes the script look bad ?
Quote from: overthere on May 02, 2017, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
They are normal Predators AFAIK, and no. They defect Spoiler
because they do not agree with a plan of action being enabled by the 'upgraded' Predators.
I thought Spoiler
defectors are those spider-predators, like defects. Why are spiders spiders? Different species or just didn't win the genetic lottery?
The Predators you asked me about are apparently classic-style Predators. The
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mutations in the story are something else entirely. IIRC they have been created and engineered by the upgraded Predators - or some of them are various upgraded Predators - based on that faction's new preoccupation with genetic engineering, and hybridizing with the DNA of their prey. The 'spiders' or whatever else - there are a lot of other monsters alluded to - are former Predator prey whose DNA they harvested to add to their own, or in other cases become hunting animals which they re-engineer and use as servants.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 02, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
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The predators befriend humans, live in the base with humans, and their will is to save the humans.They all die
while trying to save protect the good guys too. ::) Are you denying these facts because it makes the script look bad ?
There is no mention of the script of the Predators and humans being 'friends.'
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They're on the base because they're working with Colonel Woodhurst's group. They work with McKenna and his team to fight the upgraded Predators. They die in battle with the lead Upgrade, who wastes them. That's it. There is no deep bonding and the Predators you mention do not sacrifice themselves to save the humans - they just get wasted.
Again: This is where actually having the script comes in handy. Reading is fundamental, as opposed to not having the script, letting your friend tell you things while he's not paying attention, and letting your bias fill in the gaps in the story while telling people you know what you're talking about. That's dishonest.
When you admit you have not read the script and do not have access to it - or stop answering posts directed at me - then I'll stop asking. I'm not making you look bad, you're doing it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: overthere on May 02, 2017, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
They are normal Predators AFAIK, and no. They defect Spoiler
because they do not agree with a plan of action being enabled by the 'upgraded' Predators.
I thought Spoiler
defectors are those spider-predators, like defects. Why are spiders spiders? Different species or just didn't win the genetic lottery?
The Predators you asked me about are apparently classic-style Predators. The Spoiler
mutations in the story are something else entirely. IIRC they have been created and engineered by the upgraded Predators - or some of them are various upgraded Predators - based on that faction's new preoccupation with genetic engineering, and hybridizing with the DNA of their prey. The 'spiders' or whatever else - there are a lot of other monsters alludd to - are former Predator prey whose DNA they harvested to add to their own, or in other cases become hunting animals which they re-engineer and use as servants.
So does it turn out the original Predator was hunting and ripping spines because of the DNA thing? Or was he really into trophies while these 'upgraded' Predators like to mess with DNA, but it's not a thing all Predators do?
By original Predator I mean 1987 one.
Quote from: overthere on May 02, 2017, 09:20:21 PM
So does it turn out Spoiler
the original Predator was hunting and ripping spines because of the DNA thing? Or was he really into trophies while these 'upgraded' Predators like to mess with DNA, but it's not a thing all Predators do?
That's a good question, and it's one I'm honestly not sure about; I may need to re-read. The impression I got from the material at the time was that
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while the classic Predators may have always harvested the DNA of their prey to improve themselves, they now feel the upgrades are taking it (and presumably the plan to conquer Earth) too far, possibly diluting their natural selves and honor, etc etc. - which is why the upgraded Predators we see include not only the big 'Upgrade' warrior but also various mutants like the spiders and other monsters with Predator features, as well as the hunting 'dogs' which are servants.
I think the fact that the original species is being too compromised is what is seen as a bridge too far.
But I think they've always taken trophies - it's just that this film now posits that the trophies also have a deeper purpose.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 09:23:30 PMSpoiler
That's a good question, and it's one I'm honestly not sure about; I may need to re-read. The impression I got from the material at the time was that
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while the classic Predators may have always harvested the DNA of their prey to improve themselves, they now feel the upgrades are taking it (and presumably the plan to conquer Earth) too far, possibly diluting their natural selves and honor, etc etc. - which is why the upgraded Predators we see include not only the big 'Upgrade' warrior but also various mutants like the spiders and other monsters with Predator features, as well as the hunting 'dogs' which are servants.
I think the fact that the original species is being too compromised is what is seen as a bridge too far.
So if I understood all this correctly,
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classic, "normal" Predators don't feel like conquering the Earth? Because they think that's taking it too far?
Like they're OK with a few trophy kills here and there, but don't want to end the human race because they grew fond of us?
I don't know if they're 'fond' of us -
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the 'heroic' classic Predator seen in the first two acts still mercilessly slaughters all of McKenna's men for interfering in Cuba/Mexico
- but re:
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their not wanting to conquer the Earth
that's the impression I got, yes. I don't recall if it's made explicit on that particular point.
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The 'classic' Predators in the movie work throughout to try and sabotage the Upgrades' various plans.
I think it may be about everything going too far, particularly
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the hybridization, where some of the 'upgraded' Predators are more spider or other mutant than Predator.
I think they see that as an abomination.
FWIW, I think we see both
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the 'original' spiders and the later upgrades who have fused their DNA with them. I believe the originals are seen in a sequence where Rory is using the Predator's mask (a sensory interface) at night in his room - it projects holograms of the spiders on his walls, then shows him a first-person view of an off-world Predator hunt.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 09:31:16 PM
I don't know if they're 'fond' of us - Spoiler
the 'heroic' classic Predator seen in the first two acts still mercilessly slaughters all of McKenna's men for interfering in Cuba/Mexico
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their not wanting to conquer the Earth
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The 'classic' Predators in the movie work throughout to try and sabotage the Upgrades' various plans.
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Shane said this movie is not about a hundred Predators riding a motorcycle up a hill, but from what you've said, it seems there's a lot of Predators in this movie. I don't want to spoil the movie for myself too much but I'm curious, if there is no hunting in this movie, how does the classic Predator kill those men who interfere? One by one or up-in-your-face no more games, Rambo style?
Quote from: overthere on May 02, 2017, 09:35:29 PM
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Shane said this movie is not about a hundred Predators riding a motorcycle up a hill, but from what you've said, it seems there's a lot of Predators in this movie. I don't want to spoil the movie for myself too much but I'm curious, if there is no hunting in this movie, how does the classic Predator kill those men who interfere? One by one or up-in-your-face no more games, Rambo style?
There are a lot of Predators, if we're talking both the old type and new ones.
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Most of them (hybrids) are cannon fodder working with the Upgrade, and are only seen near the end of the script. But they do kill quite a few people. That whole section of the third act is more action-oriented mayhem.
If we're taking OG Predator, IIRC there are
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three, two only seen in the third act.
The main classic Predator
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kills McKenna's men offscreen - he hears them over his radio after leaving it, thinking it died in a crash. He finds the shredded bodies.
This is part of the opening of the movie, which also has
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a sequence in space.
The Predator does butcher a lot of dudes at Project Stargazer. It's not a huge firefight but it's not a stalk hunt per se. He's very methodical. When he escapes he is running around outside in the dark, cloaked IIRC.
These Predator spider defects whatever they are ... Wouldn't it make more sense that they are crabs rather than spiders as Predators with their mandibles are not called crab faces for no reason. The legs seen in the movie pics on the APC also look more crab like than spider
I have no idea what they look like in their final version, but you might be right.
I have absolutely no problem with anything you've said happens in the movie. Really looking forward to this movie.
Thanks for all the info speedy! The movie is sounding dope! Now are the hybrid predators ever described in the script, like their color and size?
There's a lot of 'em - some bipedal, some four-legged, six-legged, whatever. The
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spider-things are mentioned, a few others.
Not much detail beyond the one specifically mentioned, IIRC. I imagine they figured 'em out during production.
Hmm, not sure what to think of all those legs haha. Sure is gonna be interesting.
Spider-Predators?
while they're at it why not add Bat-Predators, English-speaking Predators with Glasses, Female Predators, Electricity-Predators, Vegetable-Predators, googly-eyed Predators.......*waits to see if anyone gets the reference*
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 11:53:01 PM
There's a lot of 'em - some bipedal, some four-legged, six-legged, whatever. The Spoiler
spider-things are mentioned, a few others.
I have faith in the creature designers (Ben Mauro & Ken Barthelmey). They've done some amazing work for Maze Runner & the upcoming Valerian. Ben has told me that ADI have done a fantastic job as well
Quote from: von on May 03, 2017, 06:05:31 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2017, 11:53:01 PM
There's a lot of 'em - some bipedal, some four-legged, six-legged, whatever. The Spoiler
spider-things are mentioned, a few others.
I have faith in the creature designers (Ben Mauro & Ken Barthelmey). They've done some amazing work for Maze Runner & the upcoming Valerian. Ben has told me that ADI have done a fantastic job as well
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Why does this script sound so bad
Still waiting for your answer Speedymaxx. :)
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 04, 2017, 01:13:16 AM
Still waiting for your answer Speedymaxx. :)
To what, exactly? I corrected your misinterpretation (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56406.msg2205848#msg2205848) re: 'friendly' Predators. Again, actually having the script to read helps. Do you have it?
SpeedyMaxx, thanks for all the information.
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Is there any mention of the technology and hand dropped in the second movie and if those were recovered? Does the script mention humans having Predator technology? I know you said that a scientist is experimenting on a creature and mentions Predator DNA so I assume humans have analysed those.
Do the defectors trade with humans in any way and has anything been reverse engineered by us? Like did we get wi fi from them? :P
How is the space sequence shown at the beginning? I know you mentioned one that happens when Rory tampers with the technology and messes up Upgrade's course.
I wonder what happens to the ship towards the end, you mentioned it crashing. Does it get self destructed? I wonder if humans will capture it.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 04, 2017, 01:56:43 AM
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Is there any mention of the technology and hand dropped in the second movie and if those were recovered? Does the script mention humans having Predator technology? I know you said that a scientist is experimenting on a creature and mentions Predator DNA so I assume humans have analysed those.
Yeah, that's all in there in various ways -
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the military has equipment salvaged from prior encounters, all of which the lead Predator raids when he attacks Stargazer.
I don't recall offhand a mention of the
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defectors trading with us, but I assume it's possible.
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How is the space sequence shown at the beginning?
I don't wanna get too in-depth but you see
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one Predator in pursuit of another.
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I wonder what happens to the ship towards the end, you mentioned it crashing. Does it get self destructed?
Nope. I'm not gonna talk about the climax too much because it's mostly stayed off-board, surprisingly enough.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on May 03, 2017, 12:15:07 AM
Spider-Predators?
while they're at it why not add Bat-Predators, English-speaking Predators with Glasses, Female Predators, Electricity-Predators, Vegetable-Predators, googly-eyed Predators.......*waits to see if anyone gets the reference*
Well, you don't want it to be a total farce.
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Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 04, 2017, 01:56:43 AM
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Is there any mention of the technology and hand dropped in the second movie and if those were recovered? Does the script mention humans having Predator technology? I know you said that a scientist is experimenting on a creature and mentions Predator DNA so I assume humans have analysed those.
Yeah, that's all in there in various ways - Spoiler
the military has equipment salvaged from prior encounters, all of which the lead Predator raids when he attacks Stargazer.
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defectors trading with us, but I assume it's possible.
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How is the space sequence shown at the beginning?
I don't wanna get too in-depth but you see Spoiler
one Predator in pursuit of another.
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I wonder what happens to the ship towards the end, you mentioned it crashing. Does it get self destructed?
Nope. I'm not gonna talk about the climax too much because it's mostly stayed off-board, surprisingly enough.
Interesting stuff, thanks for answering.
I can't remember if you answered this one, but someone was wondering if the script mentions anything about Predator strength. Do we see any examples of them performing great feats of strength like in the earlier movies?
I recall someone mentioning that
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the Upgrade kills a Classic with a single punch.
Is that true?
Not a punch, no.
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It happens very fast in the script but it is not a punch - the Predator is grabbed and literally torn apart.
The reason I'm neglecting to describe it in full is I don't want to wholly spoil a moment. As for other feats of strength, I am sure there are some but I can't recall them offhand.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 04, 2017, 01:28:18 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 04, 2017, 01:13:16 AM
Still waiting for your answer Speedymaxx. :)
To what, exactly? I corrected your misinterpretation (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56406.msg2205848#msg2205848) re: 'friendly' Predators. Again, actually having the script to read helps. Do you have it?
In your dreams.
The predators befriend humans, live in the base with humans (for almost a year),they talk with the humans, and their will is to save the humans.They all die
while trying to protect the good guys too.
Are you denying these facts because it makes the script look bad ? How will you twist these ones ?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 04, 2017, 06:46:33 AM
Not a punch, no. Spoiler
It happens very fast in the script but it is not a punch - the Predator is grabbed and literally torn apart.
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That sounds too over-powered, even for an upgraded Pred (that is if the Pred is using their bare hands. If it was some glove tech used then I'm fine with that, otherwise, I'm not liking the sound of this.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 04, 2017, 06:46:33 AM
Not a punch, no. Spoiler
It happens very fast in the script but it is not a punch - the Predator is grabbed and literally torn apart.
Quick question Speedy. Does the script indicate Predator vision mode(s) or POV? Just making sure lol
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 04, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 04, 2017, 01:28:18 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 04, 2017, 01:13:16 AM
Still waiting for your answer Speedymaxx. :)
To what, exactly? I corrected your misinterpretation (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56406.msg2205848#msg2205848) re: 'friendly' Predators. Again, actually having the script to read helps. Do you have it?
In your dreams.
So that's a no, you don't have it?
QuoteAre you denying these facts because it makes the script look bad ? How will you twist these ones ?
No. As I've answered you twice now on this same topic, I'm denying your 'facts' because they are literally incorrect and/or misinterpreted, as I have already discussed at length. Which you would already know if you...
wait for it... had read the script yourself, as opposed to winging it and filling in the gaps with your own preconceived notions.
This is my third time answering you. It's not my fault you don't like being contradicted. Try the same thing again and I'll report it.
Quote from: von on May 04, 2017, 02:29:33 PM
Quick question Speedy. Does the script indicate Predator vision mode(s) or POV? Just making sure lol
You mean, do we see some shots in the classic Predator vision? I believe so at some points, but I can't recall offhand. I know several characters, both Predators and otherwise, have a look through the mask.
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Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 04, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 04, 2017, 01:28:18 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 04, 2017, 01:13:16 AM
Still waiting for your answer Speedymaxx. :)
To what, exactly? I corrected your misinterpretation (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56406.msg2205848#msg2205848) re: 'friendly' Predators. Again, actually having the script to read helps. Do you have it?
In your dreams.
So that's a no, you don't have it?
QuoteAre you denying these facts because it makes the script look bad ? How will you twist these ones ?
No. As I've answered you twice now on this same topic, I'm denying your 'facts' because they are literally incorrect and/or misinterpreted, as I have already discussed at length. Which you would already know if you... wait for it... had read the script yourself, as opposed to winging it and filling in the gaps with your own preconceived notions.
This is my third time answering you. It's not my fault you don't like being contradicted. Try the same thing again and I'll report it.
Quote from: von on May 04, 2017, 02:29:33 PM
Quick question Speedy. Does the script indicate Predator vision mode(s) or POV? Just making sure lol
You mean, do we see some shots in the classic Predator vision? I believe so at some points, but I can't recall offhand. I know several characters, both Predators and otherwise, have a look through the mask.
I've read the script. :-\
And Oh boy, it's worse than the worst fans nightmare ! :(
I thought it was going to be bad but that script will bury the franchise for good.
Also i'm 100% right about the predators befriend with the humans 'good guys', so you're really twisting stuffs.
LOL take it easy guys. Like both of you, speedymax and predatorspirit need to ease up right now. Personally i find the script and spoilers interesting and fun so far, and i'm sure i'm not alone. Fans who love the script greatly outnumber those who don't so we really don't have to push it. Just sit back and keep tabs on the daily updates.
Quote from: DavidCollins on May 04, 2017, 07:57:13 PM
LOL take it easy guys. Like both of you, speedymax and predatorspirit need to ease up right now. Personally i find the script and spoilers interesting and fun so far, and i'm sure i'm not alone. Fans who love the script greatly outnumber those who don't so we really don't have to push it. Just sit back and keep tabs on the daily updates.
I've not seen anyone on here say they love it at all... There are folks who like some bits and folks who outright hate it. Not seen 'love' anywhere
Get over it already. Seriously, dude, what's the matter with those stuck in the past fans who want the same exact predator movie when we finally get the chance to see the bigger picture of the predator universe. The key thing is the movie is R rated, which says a lot. i don't mind having a kid in the movie, i don't mind the predator living on base, i don't mind it takes place in the suburb. Yeah i'm perfectly fine with what i know about the movie so far. I'm a huge fan of the original, i know the movie word for word and scene for scene but let's face it, it's not perfect by any means. Soldiers holding rifles next to their waists while shooting, not taking cover and carelessly wasting ammunition, the gunfight/shootout scene was pretty bad if i'm to be honest. But we love it because it somehow takes us back to the past, nostalgia-inducing i must say. We don't wanna see the same concept anymore, we wanna see a whole new level of everything this time. Seriously, those hardcore fans of the original, i feel you guys, but come on we really need something different this time.
Quote from: DavidCollins on May 04, 2017, 08:13:20 PM
Get over it already. Seriously, dude, what's the matter with those stuck in the past fans who want the same exact predator movie when we finally get the chance to see the bigger picture of the predator universe. The key thing is the movie is R rated, which says a lot. i don't mind having a kid in the movie, i don't mind the predator living on base, i don't mind it takes place in the suburb. Yeah i'm perfectly fine with what i know about the movie so far. I'm a huge fan of the original, i know the movie word for word and scene for scene but let's face it, it's not perfect by any means. Soldiers holding rifles next to their waists while shooting, not taking cover and carelessly wasting ammunition, the gunfight/shootout scene was pretty bad if i'm to be honest. But we love it because it somehow takes us back to the past, nostalgia-inducing i must say. We don't wanna see the same concept anymore, we wanna see a whole new level of everything this time. Seriously, those hardcore fans of the original, i feel you guys, but come on we really need something different this time.
I agree, if people just want the same Predator movie again, well, you've already got it, you can go watch it right now. I'm happy it's going new places.
Quote from: DavidCollins on May 04, 2017, 08:13:20 PM
Get over it already. Seriously, dude, what's the matter with those stuck in the past fans who want the same exact predator movie when we finally get the chance to see the bigger picture of the predator universe. The key thing is the movie is R rated, which says a lot. i don't mind having a kid in the movie, i don't mind the predator living on base, i don't mind it takes place in the suburb. Yeah i'm perfectly fine with what i know about the movie so far. I'm a huge fan of the original, i know the movie word for word and scene for scene but let's face it, it's not perfect by any means. Soldiers holding rifles next to their waists while shooting, not taking cover and carelessly wasting ammunition, the gunfight/shootout scene was pretty bad if i'm to be honest. But we love it because it somehow takes us back to the past, nostalgia-inducing i must say. We don't wanna see the same concept anymore, we wanna see a whole new level of everything this time. Seriously, those hardcore fans of the original, i feel you guys, but come on we really need something different this time.
We'll see how you feel when they start making shitty Twilight sequels in 20 years.
Black promised even more mystery about the predator character and we see only the landing of a predator as a character on the ground! This is the main problem!
Quote from: Doomofman on May 04, 2017, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: DavidCollins on May 04, 2017, 07:57:13 PM
LOL take it easy guys. Like both of you, speedymax and predatorspirit need to ease up right now. Personally i find the script and spoilers interesting and fun so far, and i'm sure i'm not alone. Fans who love the script greatly outnumber those who don't so we really don't have to push it. Just sit back and keep tabs on the daily updates.
I've not seen anyone on here say they love it at all... There are folks who like some bits and folks who outright hate it. Not seen 'love' anywhere
I love it.
I mixed on what I've heard so far. There parts that sound really cool, then there are parts that sound cheesy. I keep in mind though that I haven't seen how this will be executed. The first trailer will be interesting to see.
https://www.mirf.ru/kino/syuzhet-novogo-khischnika
Another review of the script
What I hate most, with the power equal to a million exploding suns, is this whole:
Spoiler
advanced upgraded predator shit. I'd very much prefer a classic type of Predator be the primary antagonist. After what happened in Predators, I'm really not looking forward to something like that again
My 2- cents on the Predators are "friends" deal.
Whether or not a true friendship is born between Predators and Humans (who's to really say?) the mere fact as stated that Predators are "working with" humans, living amongst them in some sort of safe-harbor government building, connotates and implies some sort of docile-submission-like behavior in the Predator Tribe in it of-itself (also makes me wonder if there is political themes in play as well, which is unnecessary and always divisive).
30-something years from the first (Hollywood cannon) encounter, Predators come to earth to hunt and kill humans, have now evolved to cutting deals and laying down arms in a manner in which they have mutual interests and some sort of stake in the same game is quite the detour from the essence of the "Predator" species and would need some sort of back story explanation to those in the audience witty enough to be deterred by that if otherwise not explained or at the least touched upon.
Set aside the "original fans"- flaw (depending on how you look at it)....Themes of "partnership" with Preds have been attempted, (AVP, Predators especially, Pred 2 has the end scene with a "friendly" exchange with the elder and Danny Glover) and for the most part were not well received amongst the audience "original" or not.
So Black is hedging his bets and doubling down on that theme and is taking a big leap of faith/risk/chance/blind swing/shot in the dark etc...call it what you want that HIS version will work. He's literally turning the franchise and the "partnership" theme on it's head and shaking it seeing what comes out (in this case what's coming out is pred spiders, super preds, dna modification, human interactions, pred technology use, etc...) At this point, we are literally looking at an all or nothing scenario for Black and this franchise. This is either going to be a home-run for fans original and otherwise, or a complete face-plant- at- the- Olympics-style failure.
I see nothing wrong with a Predator teaming up with humans if they share a common goal. Predators can be reasoned with, they're intelligent, and can communicate one way or the other. There's no reason not to team up if a lot of shit gets f**ked otherwise for both parties.
Quote from: overthere on May 04, 2017, 10:01:30 PM
I see nothing wrong with a Predator teaming up with humans if they share a common goal. Predators can be reasoned with, they're intelligent, and can communicate one way or the other. There's no reason not to team up if a lot of shit gets f**ked otherwise for both parties.
I'm with you on that. Previous movies have shown they're intelligent and more technologically advanced than us. I don't think they got that way by just hunting. Intelligent beings, much like humans, each will have their own motivations for what they do. Some may work with humans as it benefits them, some may never work with humans even if it would be of great benefit to them. I think it's much more interesting to think of predators in that way then just thinking of them as game hunters and nothing more
Quote from: overthere on May 04, 2017, 10:01:30 PM
I see nothing wrong with a Predator teaming up with humans if they share a common goal. Predators can be reasoned with, they're intelligent, and can communicate one way or the other. There's no reason not to team up if a lot of shit gets f**ked otherwise for both parties.
Exactly.
They're diverse, just because they're aggressive killers doesn't mean that some aren't smart enough to see a fragile "ceasefire" with prey as a possible advantage to help them against their enemies.
Why can't they?
Humans hunt wolves for sport and yet we interact with them and have tamed them to help us in ways.
Not saying Predators tamed humans, but some are working with them like humans do with dogs to achieve a goal.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 04, 2017, 10:52:34 PM
I'm with you on that. Previous movies have shown they're intelligent and more technologically advanced than us. I don't think they got that way by just hunting. Intelligent beings, much like humans, each will have their own motivations for what they do. Some may work with humans as it benefits them, some may never work with humans even if it would be of great benefit to them. I think it's much more interesting to think of predators in that way then just thinking of them as game hunters and nothing more
And this diversity is what makes them so interesting.
If they were all just humanoid monsters, it'd become one dimensional and even stale for many people.
But giving each Predator individuality and personality enriches the species, it makes you wonder what this one will do differently from that one.
Jungle Hunter stalked and was careful, City Hunter was more aggressive and upfront, Scar saw an opportunity in an alliance etc.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 04, 2017, 07:09:37 PM
Also i'm 100% right about the predators befriend with the humans 'good guys', so you're really twisting stuffs.
Do you
have the script? Or have you simply had pieces of it read to you by your pal (who also told you no spines got torn out in this movie)?
If not you're misinformed. But if you've finally obtained and fully read the script, then you're the one twisting it. They work together, they're not going out for brews or sharing a thumbs-up. You're applying your own preconceived notions about hating the story to the actual material. This does not bear resemblance to the actual reality.
I don't have to push anything - I've always said fans are either gonna love or hate this movie in equal measure. I am okay with that, personally; I have no personal stake in the film's production and I don't care if people like what I like. I just don't like being called a liar by the same troll for months on end, especially when he hadn't even read the damn thing.
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
Yep. Again, they work together. They don't go to the local for a Miller High Life.
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
So this is almost getting a Comic-Marvel-like treatment.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 04, 2017, 09:50:45 PM
My 2- cents on the Predators are "friends" deal.
More like 50 cent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU)
Quote from: The Shuriken on May 04, 2017, 09:47:08 PM
What I hate most, with the power equal to a million exploding suns, is this whole:
Spoiler
advanced upgraded predator shit. I'd very much prefer a classic type of Predator be the primary antagonist. After what happened in Predators, I'm really not looking forward to something like that again
Spoiler
I hope when they say upgraded it ain't some kind of Captain America to normal human type comparison. As in Upgraded pred to jungle hunter. Hopefully it means better tech, although even with norm tech it's overkill.
This movie is either gonna go home with a home run or sink so deep to Earth's core.
Okay, big thanks to SpeedyMaxx for all the contributions. Some of this ridiculousness actually makes some sense now.
I would venture a guess that
Spoiler
the "defector" predators working with the military possibly hunt at night so they don't draw too much attention? I honestly have no idea. Obviously they should have cloaking tech, but it just seems like nighttime would be more opportunistic instead of slaughtering in broad daylight. Is there any mention of what they hunt, though? I'm guessing it's not stray cats and dogs.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 01:43:02 AM
So this is almost getting a Comic-Marvel-like treatment.
Nah.
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 01:54:31 AM
Okay, big thanks to SpeedyMaxx for all the contributions. Some of this ridiculousness actually makes some sense now.
I would venture a guess that Spoiler
the "defector" predators working with the military possibly hunt at night so they don't draw too much attention? I honestly have no idea. Obviously they should have cloaking tech, but it just seems like nighttime would be more opportunistic instead of slaughtering in broad daylight. Is there any mention of what they hunt, though? I'm guessing it's not stray cats and dogs.
Spoiler
Yeah - IIRC, the complex they're staying in on a game preserve or something. "They're still gonna kill shit."
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 05, 2017, 02:01:39 AM
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Yeah - IIRC, the complex they're staying in on a game preserve or something. "They're still gonna kill shit."
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Is the complex creating creatures for these Preds to hunt? or Earth animals? I wouldn't be surprised if the spider-preds and all that crap were the creatures created for the game reserve and break out of the complex or something like that.
Quote from: Ushella on May 05, 2017, 02:11:57 AM
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Is the complex creating creatures for these Preds to hunt? or Earth animals? I wouldn't be surprised if the spider-preds and all that crap were the creatures created for the game reserve and break out of the complex or something like that.
No, I don't think so, and no.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 01:43:02 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
So this is almost getting a Comic-Marvel-like treatment.
LOL! Why does a Predator need a gun?
Because why not?
Also, they kind of have a lot to deal with at that point in the story.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 05, 2017, 03:07:49 AM
Because why not?
Also, they kind of have a lot to deal with at that point in the story.
Because their tech is more advanced than our weaponary.
In context it probably will make sense, but I just find it funny. Maybe that's what they want. I have no doubt there's going to be some camp in this. If it works fine, but it's definitely going to be strange seeing that.
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They're using both their weapons and ours at that point, IIRC (plasmacasters, etc). Double-barreled.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 05, 2017, 03:30:00 AM
They're using both their weapons and ours at that point, IIRC (plasmacasters, etc). Double-barreled.
I see. IIRC there's a comic book where a Predator uses a gun. I think it's called Big Game? I'll try to find the image.
I guess the idea isn't that far fetched after all.
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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 05, 2017, 03:31:52 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 05, 2017, 03:30:00 AM
They're using both their weapons and ours at that point, IIRC (plasmacasters, etc). Double-barreled.
I see. IIRC there's a comic book where a Predator uses a gun. I think it's called Big Game? I'll try to find the image.
I guess the idea isn't that far fetched after all.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idoc.co%2Ffiles%2F5733ffcfc61c630cb2-20.jpg&hash=6e20acb603e4d0aeab41e7362e406aba9bbc35ef)
I think I remember two more comics where Predators used guns.
One of them was called "Deadliest of the Species" and a large female Predator named Big Mama used a Pulse Rifle and even grabbed a Marine, pulled the pins of his grenades and chucked him at a pursuing vehicle filled with Marines, blowing them up.
The other comic was a crossover with Judge Dredd, I think I remember a Predator intentionally used Dredd's gun just to make it self destruct.
As for why they need guns, Think of humans, we have some really advanced stuff but sometimes we use bows and arrows or knives.
And like us, they are...
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/cNWU2Zeh54VJC/giphy.gif)
Opportunistic Predators.
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
Share the script, please!
Quote from: von on May 05, 2017, 05:43:44 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
Share the script, please!
Pics or it didn't happen? haha I keep trying to find the script online to no avail... But at least we've read like 4 lines from it now... It's progress
Quote from: von on May 05, 2017, 05:43:44 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
Share the script, please!
If I did poor Speedy would be on here 24/7 doing damage control (which is kind of what he does anyway :laugh:)
The comics are not canon.This is a movie and according to the studio, a sequel.No yautjas here just predators.
Let's involve Batman in the sequel, because it was done in comics ... ;)
A predator using human weapons is beyond silly, the City hunter destroyed Harrigan's weapon in the slaughterhouse after it picked it up.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 05, 2017, 12:11:15 PM
The comics are not canon.This is a movie and according to the studio, a sequel.No yautjas here just predators.
Let's involve Batman in the sequel, because it was done in comics ... ;)
I like your thinking!
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/203/855/large/denni-andria-batman-vs-predator.jpg?1471010664)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/06/a4/72/06a4725ed7c25b496854a6a2bf6c4376.jpg)
An animated one at the least.
that would be a lot better than what we're going to see in this one. :-[
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
that would be a lot better than what we're going to see in this one. :-[
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Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: von on May 05, 2017, 05:43:44 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
Share the script, please!
If I did poor Speedy would be on here 24/7 doing damage control (which is kind of what he does anyway :laugh:)
SpeedyMaxx: All right. Once again, this is rumor control. Here are the facts. At 0800 hours, prisoner Keith, through carelessness on his part leaked the script on Thread 17. He seems to have been convinced by another fan.
At about 2100 hours, prisoner Predator_Spirit reappeared in a deranged state. Prisoners Overthere and Von are missing. There seems to be a good chance that they have met with foul play at the hands of prisoner Predator_Spirit.
We need to organize and send out a search party; volunteers will be appreciated. I think it's fair to say that our smoothly running forum has suddenly developed a few problems. I can only hope we are all able to pull together over the next few days until the rescue team arrives for Director Shane Black.
A what where a what what?
Black and FOX had the opportunity to play this thing safe. Get Arnold his 45-55 mins of screen time, Black can still do his comic-book-Predator stuff...while having Arnold in the film to bring a sense of "grounding" to the film. Original fans would have ate it up. New fans would've still went. Net result would have ultimately been good.
Black and FOX have seemingly decided on a formula (as script spoilers in this thread have shown) that has the real potential to alienate and divide the fan base. For me. Ultimately I'm curious as to why (no expectation that we'll have the answer more less hoping and waiting for Press-time to reveal his thoughts behind the script).
At one point I was convinced Arnold was going to be in this thing. But I definitely misjudged the timing of everything. When the movie poster first surfaced, scheduled production, shooting locations, times etc... Makes me wonder about a lot of things.
Is what it is at this point. This franchise has been at a fragile-breaking-point-type stage for a while. Why not bring it back with a sure-fire-"safe" movie, to get it back up and running?
Can't wait for the press-tours to begin so Black can talk this thing up. Cause, the script and the no-matter-what-fanboys are not helping it's cause.
Securing Arnold for this movie would't be a safe move. The safest move they could've made would be to hire a great filmmaker, and they've already done that. Shane Black is the perfect person to rejuvenate this stale franchise.
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
If I did poor Speedy would be on here 24/7 doing damage control (which is kind of what he does anyway :laugh:)
Hey, you can like it or not, I don't care. I don't share the script so as not to burn my source but if you want to share it with people on your end, go ahead.
I didn't come to the forum for Predator, I've been lurking a long time. Used to talk Prometheus back in the day. I came in to talk about the script because I like it. If you don't I ain't mad at you. I just don't like being insulted or called a liar or a shill over it. Long as you don't do those I can live and let live.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
This franchise has been at a fragile-breaking-point-type stage for a while. Why not bring it back with a sure-fire-"safe" movie, to get it back up and running?
Sounds boring tbh. But in seriousness, they made that movie, it was Predators. Peppy and cheap on Robert Rodriguez's turf. Nobody came. I like going weird. If you don't that's cool, but you might consider saving these long speeches for after you've either read the script or seen the movie.
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
you have my attention lol
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eaIyvfRYef8 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eaIyvfRYef8)
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 12:58:43 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
If I did poor Speedy would be on here 24/7 doing damage control (which is kind of what he does anyway :laugh:)
Hey, you can like it or not, I don't care. I don't share the script so as not to burn my source but if you want to share it with people on your end, go ahead.
I didn't come to the forum for Predator, I've been lurking a long time. Used to talk Prometheus back in the day. I came in to talk about the script because I like it. If you don't I ain't mad at you. I just don't like being insulted or called a liar or a shill over it. Long as you don't do those I can live and let live.
To me it sounds like Keith was jesting, especially with the smiley at the end. I meant no disrespect by adding to the joke as you were technically doing rumour control on this thread which helped us get an idea on what to expect in the movie.
Nah, I didn't take offense. I'm happy to be Rumor Control and then get eaten in a vent.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
Is what it is at this point. This franchise has been at a fragile-breaking-point-type stage for a while. Why not bring it back with a sure-fire-"safe" movie, to get it back up and running?
You mean like what Ridley and FOX have done with Covenant? Let's find out how it'll be received real soon!
I am not the biggest fan of Covenant's creative direction by any means, but I think it is gonna do well and is likely a fun horror movie and a solid sequel I expect to enjoy. I do think it offers enough innovation in the basic Alien premise to freshen things up a little, I just don't like that it drops the larger risks Prometheus took with a new and different vision for the franchise. It kind of keeps some of the trappings but drops most of the rest for more aliens. That said, it's still very well-made.
The Predator takes a lot of risks and has a vision but stays true to the core of the franchise, at least I feel it does (YMMV, obviously). In that way I think it's both similar and dissimilar to AC and Prometheus. One movie is riskier than the other, one movie is more of a crowdpleaser. I like to think The Predator combines both, but for me part of that has to do with Black and Fred Dekker being a lot less preoccupied with burnishing their rep and chasing the next curve in the way I feel Ridley Scott now is with many of his films.
I really just don't like any of the ideas I've seen at all. The movie may be enjoyable and Shane Black deserves the benefit of the doubt... But it's doing what Prometheus, and by extension Covenant, seem to be doing for the Alien franchise; it's humanizing the extraterrestrial elements, demystifying and homogenizing the universe. I see it as a very bad idea though I'm guessing many feel the opposite.
Predators potentially working with humans muddies the divide and makes them no different from ang "Alien of the Week" on Star Trek or the likes. That divide is necessary for the Predators to seem MORE than human, otherworldly and seperate. AvP humanizes the Predators as well and it hurts them there for me as much.
This humanizing is also what I think is the cause of the latest Super Predator syndrome. If the vanilla Predator just isn't enough for two directors now, what does that say about the effectiveness of the species as a cinematic monster?
The vanilla Predator is of course perfectly capable of standing on its' own, heck you can even add in the genehack Super Predators without having to make the classic Predator team up with humanity. Two alien forces inherently antagonistic to both us and eachother and pitching a battle on Earth without concern for the natives is pant-shittingly terrifying! Am I really the only one that feels this way?
Quote from: Keith on May 05, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
Spoiler
AN M113 STRYKER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.
McKenna, Baxley and Coyle are on top as well as, yes --
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasmacaster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
lmao this is madness. :laugh:
sounds like Predator Wrestlemania to me. :laugh:
GET HYPE!11!!!11
Quote from: von on May 06, 2017, 06:43:51 AM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
Is what it is at this point. This franchise has been at a fragile-breaking-point-type stage for a while. Why not bring it back with a sure-fire-"safe" movie, to get it back up and running?
You mean like what Ridley and FOX have done with Covenant? Let's find out how it'll be received real soon!
No I mean the FOUR Ripley Alien movies to the ONE Arnold Predator movie.
Quote from: Kurai on May 06, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
I really just don't like any of the ideas I've seen at all. The movie may be enjoyable and Shane Black deserves the benefit of the doubt... But it's doing what Prometheus, and by extension Covenant, seem to be doing for the Alien franchise; it's humanizing the extraterrestrial elements, demystifying and homogenizing the universe. I see it as a very bad idea though I'm guessing many feel the opposite.
Predators potentially working with humans muddies the divide and makes them no different from ang "Alien of the Week" on Star Trek or the likes. That divide is necessary for the Predators to seem MORE than human, otherworldly and seperate. AvP humanizes the Predators as well and it hurts them there for me as much.
This humanizing is also what I think is the cause of the latest Super Predator syndrome. If the vanilla Predator just isn't enough for two directors now, what does that say about the effectiveness of the species as a cinematic monster?
The vanilla Predator is of course perfectly capable of standing on its' own, heck you can even add in the genehack Super Predators without having to make the classic Predator team up with humanity. Two alien forces inherently antagonistic to both us and eachother and pitching a battle on Earth without concern for the natives is pant-shittingly terrifying! Am I really the only one that feels this way?
Excellent post. Feel the exact same way.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 12:58:43 AM
Hey, you can like it or not, I don't care. I don't share the script so as not to burn my source but if you want to share it with people on your end, go ahead.
Sounds boring tbh. But in seriousness, they made that movie, it was Predators. Peppy and cheap on Robert Rodriguez's turf. Nobody came. I like going weird. If you don't that's cool, but you might consider saving these long speeches for after you've either read the script or seen the movie.
So the guy that doesn't "come to the forum for Predator" is acting as the authority on opinions of Predator? So you came here to flex your muscles because you got the script? You get some sort of "fix" having the script/reading the script and posting spoilers...but then telling people they have to like the spoilers and the script, (and also to not have an opinion unless they've read the script which you won't post, or wait until the movie comes out...lol)?? Your definately not doing this movie any favors.
Aside from that, according to your logic, I can't have an opinion UNTIL I've read the script (apparently the uncounted spoilers in a thread titled "spoilers" don't count for anything...so why even post script spoilers with that logic???) or until I've seen the movie. You may then want to ask the moderator's and/or owners of this website and forum to then shut-down this thing, until Fall 2018...????
Till then. I'll be posting my thoughts/opinions about this movie on a message board dedicated to this movie (what a weird concept) so long as you keep telling me how awesome I SHOULD think this movie is after YOU post spoilers about the movie (go figure).
Quote from: Kurai on May 06, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
I really just don't like any of the ideas I've seen at all. The movie may be enjoyable and Shane Black deserves the benefit of the doubt... But it's doing what Prometheus, and by extension Covenant, seem to be doing for the Alien franchise; it's humanizing the extraterrestrial elements, demystifying and homogenizing the universe. I see it as a very bad idea though I'm guessing many feel the opposite.
I get how you feel, but all I'll say is I think the film as written is the polar opposite of 'homogenous' and safe. I also don't think this film demystifies anything nearly as much as, say, the AVP films. I hope the movie makes you feel differently.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
No I mean the FOUR Ripley Alien movies to the ONE Arnold Predator movie.
As has been discussed before,
Predator and
Alien are not the same type of star-driven franchise. If you wanted a franchise focusing largely on Arnold's adventures in the world of the Predators, that opportunity faded almost 30 years ago. It's not fair or realistic to hold future sequels - by anyone - to that imaginary metric. The franchise you wanted with Arnold leading the films for decades never happened and now is never going to happen.
QuoteYour definately not doing this movie any favors.
That's fine, I wasn't trying. Other people had already come in and talked about it, so I decided to do the same when I read it. Not complicated.
QuoteAside from that, according to your logic, I can't have an opinion UNTIL I've read the script (apparently the uncounted spoilers in a thread titled "spoilers" don't count for anything...so why even post script spoilers with that logic???) or until I've seen the movie.
Of course you can. But it may not be a very informed one, or allow you the room to submit inaccurate theses about what you've decided the movie is about sight unseen, i.e., when you said it's about Predators and not human leads - that's wrong. All I'm saying is you might want to leave the movie some room to be something more than whatever superficial impression you have built up in a series of lengthy posts.
So it sounds like it is now okay for me to post my opinions based on multiple script spoilers that have been posted in this thread?????
To your last point:
All I am saying is YOU might want to leave the movie some room to be something LESS than whatever superficial impression YOU have built it up to be in a series of multiple-endless posts defending every last horrible-campy sounding spoiler ("you don't know, you didn't read the script!").
"SpeedyMax" from- the- internet-and-beyond seeing a script and sort-of bringing it to an echo chamber of fan-boys shouting "hurray!" doesn't make a movie automatically good. How many scripts have passed thru the Hollywood screening process, green-lighted by people that said "this will be great!" only to turn into a sh-t movie?????? You don't have to look too far for an example.
Shane Black's not getting rewritten, but okay. You do you.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 06, 2017, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from: von on May 06, 2017, 06:43:51 AM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
Is what it is at this point. This franchise has been at a fragile-breaking-point-type stage for a while. Why not bring it back with a sure-fire-"safe" movie, to get it back up and running?
You mean like what Ridley and FOX have done with Covenant? Let's find out how it'll be received real soon!
No I mean the FOUR Ripley Alien movies to the ONE Arnold Predator movie.
Ok so you feel it's best to have a continuation of Dutch's story, and that to be safe the next Predator film should have Arnold in it and the same premise as the first film in order for it to be grounded as a true Predator movie. I wouldn't consider all 4 ripley movies having the same safe formula, yet they'e kept the interest strong and story going. Well they've had a lot of money invested...
Safe could work, sure, but I think Fox just wants to take it up another level this time, and without the need for Dutch. Why can't we have a new protagonist and have th next trilogy or whatever revolve around that character? Just my 2 cents!
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/04/24/shane-blacks-the-predator-has-been-bumped-to-august-2018
B.M.D liked the script for those that follow that site.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 02:39:21 AM
Nah, I didn't take offense. I'm happy to be Rumor Control and then get eaten in a vent.
I'm stating facts not rumors.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 08, 2017, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 02:39:21 AM
Nah, I didn't take offense. I'm happy to be Rumor Control and then get eaten in a vent.
I'm stating facts not rumors.
Just like the Predators being great friends with the humans and no spines getting ripped out. Night!
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 08, 2017, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 02:39:21 AM
Nah, I didn't take offense. I'm happy to be Rumor Control and then get eaten in a vent.
I'm stating facts not rumors.
What facts? If i may ?
Quote from: von on May 07, 2017, 04:21:01 AM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 06, 2017, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from: von on May 06, 2017, 06:43:51 AM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 05, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
Is what it is at this point. This franchise has been at a fragile-breaking-point-type stage for a while. Why not bring it back with a sure-fire-"safe" movie, to get it back up and running?
You mean like what Ridley and FOX have done with Covenant? Let's find out how it'll be received real soon!
No I mean the FOUR Ripley Alien movies to the ONE Arnold Predator movie.
Ok so you feel it's best to have a continuation of Dutch's story, and that to be safe the next Predator film should have Arnold in it and the same premise as the first film in order for it to be grounded as a true Predator movie. I wouldn't consider all 4 ripley movies having the same safe formula, yet they'e kept the interest strong and story going. Well they've had a lot of money invested...
Safe could work, sure, but I think Fox just wants to take it up another level this time, and without the need for Dutch. Why can't we have a new protagonist and have th next trilogy or whatever revolve around that character? Just my 2 cents!
Not that it's "best". I've thought aloud on this board and evolved my opinion to such that I do think the window has passed on the fullness of the "Dutch" story that could have been. I get it, it's gone.
What I refer to as "safe" is merely Arnold's presence in this movie 50% screen time sorta thing. Having his name on the poster for 3-4 months prior to opening, having him on the press tour and ultimately in the film to some capacity would be "safe". As it would guarantee the original fan-base along with the "new" fan base.
What I've wondered is Black writing a script for this movie in which it leads into future movies for Dutch....the whole 5 min cameo, then onto 2 more films when Dutch is 75??
What I'm saying at this point is why not get the "safe" thing done now...at the front end...vs. the back-end?
I see what you are saying in terms of taking it up a notch etc. I get that. But if that was the thought all along, why do the 5 min Dutch cameo at all then to lead into future movies???? It's doesn't necessarily add up.
They wanted to revive the franchise with new leads who are not 75 - people to hang future story on. To do that they have to be the main characters. I love Arnold but hanging a franchise on him as a longterm central lead at this late date is not viable, and IMO having him around with the others from beginning would overshadow them, not unlike the attempt to reboot Terminator recently.
The cameo allows for Dutch/Arnold to cap the movie, be the big talking point for audiences going out of the theater, and judging by the script would presumably lead to Dutch having a major mentor/leader role for the new characters in future films (possibly less action-oriented as Arnold gets older).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 08, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 08, 2017, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 02:39:21 AM
Nah, I didn't take offense. I'm happy to be Rumor Control and then get eaten in a vent.
I'm stating facts not rumors.
Just like the Predators being great friends with the humans and no spines getting ripped out. Night!
Twist it as much as you want, fact is preds are friends with humans in this one.
They're not, but okay. Feel free to share your copy of the script (which you've clearly read) with our posters in need.
well, they team up with each other (which is bad enough), and then they even crack jokes between each other.
I don't remember any jokes, but okay.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 08, 2017, 11:48:22 PM
I don't remember any jokes, but okay.
Spoiler
THE TWO PREDATORS
Each armed with an M60 machine gun in one hand, a plasma-
caster in the other. Ready to fight alongside our heroes.
Behind them, a continuous ROAR of gunfire -- the army versus
the HYBRIDS, off-screen. Now, however, it becomes sporadic...
And then, rather suddenly, ceases altogether.
WILLIAMS (CONT'D)
Guess they took care of the bugs?
One of the PREDATOR DEFECTORS utters some guttural CLICKS.
Williams consults the translator: Searching... Searching...
TRANSLATOR VOICE
"Fornicate."
That's not a joke. That's profanity. The audience will laugh, but the Predator is not cracking a joke.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 09, 2017, 12:33:38 AM
That's not a joke. That's profanity. The audience will laugh, but the Predator is not cracking a joke.
there's comedy scenes between the good Predators and our heroes.
I agree, to me it just sounds like the Predator swears "f**k" like we do but the translator does its job and tells us the literal meaning of it which is the exact same as ours.
Or he could've simply said that because he knows humans would register it as if the alien is swearing due to something about to happen (I don't know what that would be as I haven't read the script.)
But I doubt he said it to be funny (from what little I know). They clearly know why we say "f**k" if all their vocal mimicry during hunts is anything to go by.
Are there any other comical scenes?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 09, 2017, 12:42:46 AM
I agree, to me it just sounds like the Predator swears "f**k" like we do but the translator does its job and tells us the literal meaning of it which is the exact same as ours.
Or he could've simply said that because he knows humans would register it as if the alien is swearing due to something about to happen (I don't know what that would be as I haven't read the script.)
But I doubt he said it to be funny (from what little I know). They clearly know why we say "f**k" if all their vocal mimicry during hunts is anything to go by.
Are there any other comical scenes?
Practically all the dialogue between the humans and good Predators has a humorous note to it, because how could anyone watching possibly take it seriously?
That f**k line sounds hilarious. You detractors just can't stand fun.
I'm not surprised by all of this really. It fits with a lot of the work Dekker has done in the past. I'm hoping The Predator creates a good tone between Night of the Creeps and the original Predator.
I'm not in favor of turning the Predator into a punchline.
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 02:02:29 AM
I'm not in favor of turning the Predator into a punchline.
Don't worry, the other movies after the first already did that.
Re: the other poster's question there is a lot of humor in the script, though I don't recall the Predators joking with anyone. And yes, as I've mentioned before, it reminds me a great deal of
Night of the Creeps, which I loved. With a slight touch of
The Monster Squad, obviously, given Rory. Again, the story I was told was that this is largely Dekker writing from his partner Black's concept/idea.
I really hope the final product is more Black than Dekker.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 09, 2017, 02:08:41 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 02:02:29 AM
I'm not in favor of turning the Predator into a punchline.
Don't worry, the other movies after the first already did that.
Not anywhere near the degree this film does.
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 09, 2017, 02:08:41 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 02:02:29 AM
I'm not in favor of turning the Predator into a punchline.
Don't worry, the other movies after the first already did that.
Not anywhere near the degree this film does.
Gotcha. See ya at the movie.
Who knows if all this stuff will make it into the movie? Fox is going to test this like they did with Alien: Covenant and they'll make the appropriate changes that the audience doesn't like.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 09, 2017, 02:32:20 AM
Who knows if all this stuff will make it into the movie? Fox is going to test this like they did with Alien: Covenant and they'll make the appropriate changes that the audience doesn't like.
They may do reshoots for various things here and there, but the story Black and Dekker created is gonna pretty much be your movie.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 09, 2017, 02:11:09 AM
I really hope the final product is more Black than Dekker.
They have been working together a very long time, their vision is pretty inseparable at this point.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 08, 2017, 11:08:32 PM
They're not, but okay. Feel free to share your copy of the script (which you've clearly read) with our posters in need.
Believe it or not, I actually did. It`s underwhelming to say the least, backtracking to the ideas Predators (2010) rightfully droped and stepping into self-parody territory with breaking nearly evertyhing earlier films established. Whole prepous is changed and dilluted into yet another alien invasion. Also, the way normal predators are treated is kind of bad joke, same goes to durablility of Super predator.
Where is everyone getting this bloody script from? I've searched high and low for it...
Frankly I think people are just blowing it out of proportion because it's not another rehash of the first movie (from what I've read on here anyway)
You are gravely mistaken, I`m affraid.
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
You are gravely mistaken, I`m affraid.
Is it really that bad a direction to take though? We've already had a couple of movies about a Predator hunting during a human conflict. I personally think its good to get away from just having the same setup in different locations/environments.
As for the treatment of original/upgraded preds I can't say too much as I've not read the script but the comparison I would make would be between a regular person and a say a special forces soldier. A special forces soldier would very easily and quickly annihilate a regular person. Why is the same thing ridiculous when it comes to the Predator species?
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
You are gravely mistaken, I`m affraid.
Is it really that bad a direction to take though? We've already had a couple of movies about a Predator hunting during a human conflict. I personally think its good to get away from just having the same setup in different locations/environments.
As for the treatment of original/upgraded preds I can't say too much as I've not read the script but the comparison I would make would be between a regular person and a say a special forces soldier. A special forces soldier would very easily and quickly annihilate a regular person. Why is the same thing ridiculous when it comes to the Predator species?
Spoiler
Because every one of them is killed effortlessly, with one blow/shoot. It`s simmilar how in AvP-R Wolf dissposed Aliens.
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
You are gravely mistaken, I`m affraid.
Is it really that bad a direction to take though? We've already had a couple of movies about a Predator hunting during a human conflict. I personally think its good to get away from just having the same setup in different locations/environments.
As for the treatment of original/upgraded preds I can't say too much as I've not read the script but the comparison I would make would be between a regular person and a say a special forces soldier. A special forces soldier would very easily and quickly annihilate a regular person. Why is the same thing ridiculous when it comes to the Predator species?
Spoiler
Because every one of them is killed effortlessly, with one blow/shoot. It`s simmilar how in AvP-R Wolf dissposed Aliens.
Again though the same thing can easily happen in real life depending on the training a person has compared to another
Spoiler
I should make it clear I'm not implying an unarmed human could kill another effortlessly with one blow as you're implying happens in the script with the preds(although it happens regularly enough that some kills another person with one punch even accidentally), just that training and physique can have a huge bearing on how quickly an encounter between two humans ends. It shouldn't be any differen't for Predators as they are another intelligent species.
It`s Merry Sue/ Gary Stue situation here. Level of overpower with Upgrade is mind-numbing.
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
It`s Merry Sue/ Gary Stue situation here. Level of overpower with Upgrade is mind-numbing.
Well obviously I don't know the extent of the overpowering just from what the few have said on here. There's always a chance it wont be as bad in the finally product, does the script give much a description of how it happens? Or just that it happens with one blow?
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
As for the treatment of original/upgraded preds I can't say too much as I've not read the script but the comparison I would make would be between a regular person and a say a special forces soldier. A special forces soldier would very easily and quickly annihilate a regular person. Why is the same thing ridiculous when it comes to the Predator species?
Did you ever watch the first film?
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
As for the treatment of original/upgraded preds I can't say too much as I've not read the script but the comparison I would make would be between a regular person and a say a special forces soldier. A special forces soldier would very easily and quickly annihilate a regular person. Why is the same thing ridiculous when it comes to the Predator species?
Did you ever watch the first film?
Yeah, what's the point you're trying to make?
The answer should be obvious.
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 11:33:35 AM
The answer should be obvious.
No it's not. I think you misread what I posted
I don't think I did, but suit yourself.
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 11:38:01 AM
I don't think I did, but suit yourself.
What has the first film got to do with the comparison I made? The whole point of me posting it was for discussion, but if you want to get some sort of 'victory' by coming along and basically saying 'Bro, do you even Predator?' that's fine. But if you have a counter point to the argument I'm making for the power difference, lets hear it.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
It`s Merry Sue/ Gary Stue situation here. Level of overpower with Upgrade is mind-numbing.
Well obviously I don't know the extent of the overpowering just from what the few have said on here. There's always a chance it wont be as bad in the finally product, does the script give much a description of how it happens? Or just that it happens with one blow?
Spoiler
Seriously
Spoiler
One is litteraly ripped apart with bare hands and other two are just shot dead with ion cannons. One shot each. Meanwhile Upgrade takes several plasmacaster shots to bare skinn and they don`t have any effect on it and that`s not all of it.
You said:
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
A special forces soldier would very easily and quickly annihilate a regular person. Why is the same thing ridiculous when it comes to the Predator species?
And I said: Did you ever watch the first film? You know, where an
entire platoon of special forces soldiers got wiped out by the Predator? (except for one guy) You should be able to make the connection, I hope. If not, I give up.
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
It`s Merry Sue/ Gary Stue situation here. Level of overpower with Upgrade is mind-numbing.
Well obviously I don't know the extent of the overpowering just from what the few have said on here. There's always a chance it wont be as bad in the finally product, does the script give much a description of how it happens? Or just that it happens with one blow?
Spoiler
Seriously
Spoiler
One is litteraly ripped apart with bare hands and other two are just shot dead with ion cannons. One shot each. Meanwhile Upgrade takes several plasmacaster shots to bare skinn and they don`t have any effect on it and that`s not all of it.
Spoiler
OK, well that sounds a lot worse than what I was imagining. One shot with an ION cannon I can buy if the Upgrade took significant damage as well. But if what you say is true, Reg Preds getting one shotted and the upgrade pulling a superman and shrugging off shots, then yeah that's like the the laziest way to show that the Upgrade is superior.
Again as I've not read it I obviously have to make some assumptions as to the differences between the two.
But from what you've just said, going back to my earlier comparison, that would be like regular guy getting shot and dying a spec ops soldier being able to deflect bullets with his bare skin. Yeah I can get why that is ridiculous alright
Quote from: Keith on May 09, 2017, 11:48:14 AM
You said:
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
A special forces soldier would very easily and quickly annihilate a regular person. Why is the same thing ridiculous when it comes to the Predator species?
And I said: Did you ever watch the first film? You know, where an entire platoon of special forces soldiers got wiped out by the Predator? (except for one guy) You should be able to make the connection, I hope. If not, I give up.
Yeah you misread what I posted. The comparison I was making was between regular squishy humans (you know Joe Schlubb that works in an office cubicle) and a spec ops soldier. As in, if an office worker and a elite spec ops soldier had to fight to the death, that fight would be over extremely quickly. So if you take that comparison and apply it to Predators, so a regular hunter predator that usually sneakily takes out opponents and put him up against a physically superior and better trained predator, that fight could also be over quickly.
Master has since pointed out that the way it happens in the script is way more over the top than what I was arguing so the comparison isn't as good now.
I made the mistake of, having not read the script, assuming there was at least a little common sense used.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
It`s Merry Sue/ Gary Stue situation here. Level of overpower with Upgrade is mind-numbing.
Well obviously I don't know the extent of the overpowering just from what the few have said on here. There's always a chance it wont be as bad in the finally product, does the script give much a description of how it happens? Or just that it happens with one blow?
One blow, ALSO it's even written in the script that if people think a pred is strong, it's nothing compared to the power of the hybrid.
The heroes are like WTF when the classic is torn appart like Bishop.Same old Predators philosophy, "our new preds are supah preds".
Predators , the movie title is also referenced int he script . :-\
The Upgrade is very big and very bad.
This is the only thing I can think of, about the movie...
https://youtu.be/KMfFGOzAx3E?t=75
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 08, 2017, 09:49:40 PM
They wanted to revive the franchise with new leads who are not 75 - people to hang future story on. To do that they have to be the main characters. I love Arnold but hanging a franchise on him as a longterm central lead at this late date is not viable, and IMO having him around with the others from beginning would overshadow them, not unlike the attempt to reboot Terminator recently.
The cameo allows for Dutch/Arnold to cap the movie, be the big talking point for audiences going out of the theater, and judging by the script would presumably lead to Dutch having a major mentor/leader role for the new characters in future films (possibly less action-oriented as Arnold gets older).
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. I agree with your first paragraph, it's not viable to hang a franchise on Arnold at this point.
My question is why then write him in at the end of this movie for a "big" role (or as you put it a "major" role in future films) in future movies. If it's not viable to have him in this movie on the front end...then my argument is that it's not viable for the back-end ala last 5 mins and 2 future films...making it not viable at all for that matter.
Keep in mind another movie is coming out this year.
Over 30 years old...has the original lead who is in his 70's...and a new young gun-lead...and by all appearances looks to be a good movie.
Blade Runner 2049.
If that movie succeeds at bringing H. Ford into a realistic (30-years-later-role) it's only going to make Black and his comic book Pred movie look less than...
Quote from: Original Predator on May 09, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
You have no idea what both sides of my mouth look like. ;)
QuoteMy question is why then write him in at the end of this movie for a "big" role (or as you put it a "major" role in future films) in future movies. If it's not viable to have him in this movie on the front end...then my argument is that it's not viable for the back-end ala last 5 mins and 2 future films...making it not viable at all for that matter.
Because they want to firmly establish new leads and new storylines first, without having them hamstrung by doing it on the back of Arnold's iconic presence. This story would accomplish that. Adding Arnold/Dutch as a major new supplement just enhances future material.
We're all well aware of BR 2049. But Arnold is not Harrison Ford - he doesn't have that kind of existing box office power today, frankly, and his character in
Predator is great but not as culturally significant as Han Solo or even Deckard in BR. Further, Harrison's character in
The Force Awakens shows up midway through the picture then dies near the climax of the movie, handing it off to the new kids. I suspect Deckard in BR may meet a similar fate. In each case Ford is likely passing a torch. Your comparison doesn't work.
Ford is passing a torch....
Dutch fans have screamed for him to merely "pass the torch" in this movie.
How does this not work for a comparison??
Quote from: Original Predator on May 09, 2017, 03:15:30 PM
How does this not work for a comparison??
Because they'd evidently like to do more with Dutch than that in future movies.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 09, 2017, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
It`s Merry Sue/ Gary Stue situation here. Level of overpower with Upgrade is mind-numbing.
Well obviously I don't know the extent of the overpowering just from what the few have said on here. There's always a chance it wont be as bad in the finally product, does the script give much a description of how it happens? Or just that it happens with one blow?
One blow, ALSO it's even written in the script that if people think a pred is strong, it's nothing compared to the power of the hybrid.
The heroes are like WTF when the classic is torn appart like Bishop.Same old Predators philosophy, "our new preds are supah preds".
Predators , the movie title is also referenced int he script . :-\
I don't understand what you mean by this?
I mentioned this in the past but the way I perceived it is that the title is referenced by the characters regularly discussing the definition of the word 'predator' and how it doesn't necessarily apply to the Predators as we knew them in the past - the ones we thought simply hunted for sport. This story goes into more depth about who and what a predator is, what makes a predator a predator, so to speak.
I thought it was an interesting play on the title and a play on definition. I'm sure he has an entirely different idea, though.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
Is it really that bad a direction to take though? We've already had a couple of movies about a Predator hunting during a human conflict. I personally think its good to get away from just having the same setup in different locations/environments.
Ironically that would be a fresher idea than the "humans team up with Classic Pred to take on Super Predator" story again.
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Quote from: Master on May 09, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
It`s Merry Sue/ Gary Stue situation here. Level of overpower with Upgrade is mind-numbing.
Well obviously I don't know the extent of the overpowering just from what the few have said on here. There's always a chance it wont be as bad in the finally product, does the script give much a description of how it happens? Or just that it happens with one blow?
One blow, ALSO it's even written in the script that if people think a pred is strong, it's nothing compared to the power of the hybrid.
The heroes are like WTF when the classic is torn appart like Bishop.Same old Predators philosophy, "our new preds are supah preds".
Predators , the movie title is also referenced int he script . :-\
I don't understand what you mean by this?
"(re: Predators)" wich means the writer makes a reference to the movie Predators.It's when the general talks about the cold war
between predators.
He mentions
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there is a "cold war" between the two factions of Predators re: the issues that arise in this film. He mentions nothing about events of the movie we call Predators.
Quote from: Keith on May 10, 2017, 01:23:52 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
Is it really that bad a direction to take though? We've already had a couple of movies about a Predator hunting during a human conflict. I personally think its good to get away from just having the same setup in different locations/environments.
Ironically that would be a fresher idea than the "humans team up with Classic Pred to take on Super Predator" story again.
cool story would have been a Genetically modified Pred, by the preds, bringing it to earth for the first time to begin "training". It's dismembering and killing in different ways, even more gruesome overpowering than the original pred. The government is aware of Preds...but can't quiet figure out this particular situation. Dutch is brought in to advise...even he can't figure this thing out. Tech is different, patterns are different, killing is different...
Anyways.
Still rooting for Black. I like his stuff. I hope he can make something of this comic book Pred direction that he's taken.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 10, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Keith on May 10, 2017, 01:23:52 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 09, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
Is it really that bad a direction to take though? We've already had a couple of movies about a Predator hunting during a human conflict. I personally think its good to get away from just having the same setup in different locations/environments.
Ironically that would be a fresher idea than the "humans team up with Classic Pred to take on Super Predator" story again.
cool story would have been a Genetically modified Pred, by the preds, bringing it to earth for the first time to begin "training". It's dismembering and killing in different ways, even more gruesome overpowering than the original pred. The government is aware of Preds...but can't quiet figure out this particular situation. Dutch is brought in to advise...even he can't figure this thing out. Tech is different, patterns are different, killing is different...
Anyways.
Still rooting for Black. I like his stuff. I hope he can make something of this comic book Pred direction that he's taken.
Not this time,i'm affraid.
I think I will love this movie. Cannot wait to see what Black does.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 10, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
Still rooting for Black. I like his stuff. I hope he can make something of this comic book Pred direction that he's taken.
what would be the difference between "comic book" and traditional Pred direction?
Ok I just joined here so I am completely lost and would rather not sort through 50 pages. Are there actual parts of the script leaked and if so what is everything we know so far? All I got from this page is something about "The Upgrade" and what I saw from the first page.
Someone has shared a couple of snippets from it but there's loads buried away inside here.
Quote from: Keith on May 10, 2017, 11:53:02 PM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 10, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
Still rooting for Black. I like his stuff. I hope he can make something of this comic book Pred direction that he's taken.
what would be the difference between "comic book" and traditional Pred direction?
Opposite direction.AVP is going the comic books direction and some people ended up making amv with scar, lex and a love theme song.
They better get rid of much over the top crap like the translators, or the preds strolling in the base.
It's too late for massive rewritings, but maybe not too late to fix some details.To be continued.
Quote from: Keith on May 10, 2017, 11:53:02 PM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 10, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
Still rooting for Black. I like his stuff. I hope he can make something of this comic book Pred direction that he's taken.
what would be the difference between "comic book" and traditional Pred direction?
An example off the top of my head would be Nolan's Batman films vs. the Batman Forever or Batman and Robin...more serious tone...less camp...less over-the-top stuff.
What I'm hoping for in the back of my head is what Black and Fox's intentions are is a "resurrection" of Predator of sorts...which at this point I've come to terms with (long live Dutch :))
But what I'm ultimately hoping for after seeing the spoilers that have been shared...is it's done like the Mad Max (successful) resurrection. George Miller didn't bring back Mel, not even a cameo and he was able to move on to new characters with a successful, over-the-top, humorous film. I think/hope Black/Fox is at least shooting for this "style/type/theme".
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
Let's start with the fact that we have not heard from predators any language other than English and those sounds that were published can not be called a language. In fact, for the first time we will hear the language of predators for better or worse big question ...
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
Why the predator speaking english once, would be over the top in the first two movies, considering the context ?
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
Why the predator speaking english once, would be over the top in the first two movies, considering the context ?
Predators spoke English several times, not "once."
"Anytime."
"What the hell are you?"
"Over here."
"Turn around."
"Motherf**ker."
"Shit happens."
"Take it."
Etc etc.
Plus they clearly know when to say some really convenient quotes, which shows a level of understanding to an extent of what they're parroting. They've done this since the first film so I don't see why they can't speak English in this film.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
Why the predator speaking english once, would be over the top in the first two movies, considering the context ?
Predators spoke English several times, not "once."
"Anytime."
"What the hell are you?"
"Over here."
"Turn around."
"Motherf**ker."
"Shit happens."
"Take it."
Etc etc.
Plus they clearly know when to say some really convenient quotes, which shows a level of understanding to an extent of what they're parroting. They've done this since the first film so I don't see why they can't speak English in this film.
want some candy
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
Why the predator speaking english once, would be over the top in the first two movies, considering the context ?
Predators spoke English several times, not "once."
"Anytime."
"What the hell are you?"
"Over here."
"Turn around."
"Motherf**ker."
"Shit happens."
"Take it."
Etc etc.
Plus they clearly know when to say some really convenient quotes, which shows a level of understanding to an extent of what they're parroting. They've done this since the first film so I don't see why they can't speak English in this film.
The preds in the first two movies only spoke english once."what the hell are you?", "motherf**cker!/sh*t happens" and "take it".
All the rest were recorded human voices by the helmet, used to taunt,confuse or lure the preys.They don't start a chit chat or a discussion, they're not pals.
In that script they use ridiculous translator devices like in the Rodriguez script.They have discussions.They're pals, it's ridiculous and over the top inmy opinion.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
Why the predator speaking english once, would be over the top in the first two movies, considering the context ?
Predators spoke English several times, not "once."
"Anytime."
"What the hell are you?"
"Over here."
"Turn around."
"Motherf**ker."
"Shit happens."
"Take it."
Etc etc.
Plus they clearly know when to say some really convenient quotes, which shows a level of understanding to an extent of what they're parroting. They've done this since the first film so I don't see why they can't speak English in this film.
The preds in the first two movies only spoke english once."what the hell are you?", "motherf**cker!/sh*t happens" and "take it".
All the rest were recorded human voices by the helmet, used to taunt,confuse or lure the preys.They don't start a chit chat or a discussion, they're not pals.
In that script they use ridiculous translator devices like in the Rodriguez script.They have discussions.They're pals, it's ridiculous and over the top inmy opinion.
They still understood what they were mimicking, so it makes sense for these defectors to at least communicate with the humans who are helping them against the Upgrades.
What sort of discussions do they have? The only thing I know of is one Predator saying "shit" in its language and that's it. I doubt they're discussing how good the weather is.
Why can't some Predators work with humans? It's almost like you're stereotyping them as unintelligent savages who do nothing but hunt things when they're clearly intelligent opportunistic monsters who exploit us against their enemies due to our strengths.
They're an intelligent sapient race with individual thoughts and ideas, not simple alligators who think of nothing but their next meal. If some of them feel that an alliance is a good idea, then more power to them.
You're confusing them with Xenomorphs, now those are a species with a singular mindset. If they ally with humans for some reason in a movie, then I'd get worried that we may have underestimated them and they're not mere space ants lol.
The fact that the Predators see us as more than animals, something that is intelligent and can be allied with? I think it makes these aliens true monsters.
Think about it for a second.
We're civilised, intelligent, potential allies - they know this fully and yet we're still murdered, butchered, flayed with no remorse or mercy whatsoever.
Hell, even our so-called "allies" are allowed out at night to murder innocent humans who have not wronged them one bit.
Seriously, they are pure alien sociopaths without a concept of remorse or mercy. Unless you give me snippets of where they're being "buddies", I have no idea what you mean by it. I doubt they're cracking jokes and laughing like they're in some Bachelor Party.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 12, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
In that script they use ridiculous translator devices like in the Rodriguez script.They have discussions.They're pals
LOL, they barely speak to each other in the script. The Predators' brief comments through the translator are pretty short and sparse, not long and involved. They are not 'pals' either, no matter how many times you've claimed that.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 13, 2017, 12:33:10 AMHell, even our so-called "allies" are allowed out at night to murder innocent humans who have not wronged them one bit.
Well, let's backtrack: I don't think they are hunting humans at night. I believe it's made relatively explicit that they are hunting on a wild game reserve, i.e. animals. "They're Predators, they're still gonna kill shit."
QuoteSeriously, they are pure alien sociopaths without a concept of remorse or mercy.
I'm not sure I'd call all Predators sociopaths. Some definitely, all of them? Who knows. Some may be quite honorable and noble by the standards of their society. We have no idea what their civilization is really ike.
Speedymaxx, or anyone who's read the script, is it possible that the defectors go out at night to hunt and kill the bad guys? I'm talking about ruthless gang members, cartels, drug lords, terrorist groups or any kind of evildoer. I'm not saying the predators are superheroes or vigilantes bent on helping mankind, but is it possible that they're allowed to hunt down these bad guys by the US army who want those guys dead? The predators hunt for sport, it's their thing so they won't miss any chance to hunt and some of the ruthless bad guys are hard to kill, worthy trophies so to speak.
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Speedymaxx, or anyone who's read the script, is it possible that the defectors go out at night to hunt and kill the bad guys? I'm talking about ruthless gang members, cartels, drug lords, terrorist groups or any kind of evildoer. I'm not saying the predators are superheroes or vigilantes bent on helping mankind, but is it possible that they're allowed to hunt down these bad guys by the US army who want those guys dead? The predators hunt for sport, it's their thing so they won't miss any chance to hunt and some of the ruthless bad guys are hard to kill, worthy trophies so to speak.
I mean, it's possible? I'm pretty sure they indicate they're hunting game on-site, but I don't have it in front of me atm and I don't feel like pulling it up on account of allergies.
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Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 12, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
In that script they use ridiculous translator devices like in the Rodriguez script.They have discussions.They're pals
LOL, they barely speak to each other in the script. The Predators' brief comments through the translator are pretty short and sparse, not long and involved. They are not 'pals' either, no matter how many times you've claimed that
Have you guys ever considered the possibility that you both might have obtained different versions of the script?
That said, Predator_Spirit's version sounds outdated 😝
I don't think we have different versions. I also can't recall if he's actually read the script yet and isn't just going by his friend's secondhand descriptions to him, which was what happening the bulk of the time he was accusing me of being either a fraud or a shill while he was getting many details wrong.
He does have it.
I'd be more than happy to double check that they're the same version if you both send me your copy... :laugh:
Anyone?
No one?
I'll get me coat...
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
big difference between a Pred repeating a couple one-liners, and the Pred having back-and-forth conversations with humans that come off as comedic.
Quote from: Master on May 13, 2017, 04:36:44 PM
He does have it.
Proof or it didn't happen or doesn't exist....😂
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 13, 2017, 01:24:23 AM
Well, let's backtrack: I don't think they are hunting humans at night. I believe it's made relatively explicit that they are hunting on a wild game reserve, i.e. animals. "They're Predators, they're still gonna kill shit."
Good point. I didn't consider them hunting wild animals which is somethng they'd do.
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I'm not sure I'd call all Predators sociopaths. Some definitely, all of them? Who knows. Some may be quite honorable and noble by the standards of their society. We have no idea what their civilization is really ike.
True, me calling them sociopaths is no different than me calling lions sociopaths. I anthropomorphised the Predators a bit.
To us, they may come off as sociopathic but to them it's a completely normal thing. We may be intelligent but we've got no problem with killing intelligent animals, so them seeing us as intelligent and still killing us is kind of similar.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 13, 2017, 04:40:54 PM
I'd be more than happy to double check that they're the same version if you both send me your copy... :laugh:
Anyone?
No one?
I'll get me coat...
I would, but I can't. I was asked not to. Ask away though.
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Quote from: Doomofman on May 13, 2017, 04:40:54 PM
I'd be more than happy to double check that they're the same version if you both send me your copy... :laugh:
Anyone?
No one?
I'll get me coat...
I would, but I can't. I was asked not to. Ask away though.
I don't expect anyone on here to give it to me anyway... I don't think anyone wants to give up that 'Ive got it and you dont' feeling... It's annoying because it's not easy to find, likely due to the interest not being huge, I suspect anyone who has it on here was given it by someone else rather than finding it themselves
Quote from: Keith on May 13, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
big difference between a Pred repeating a couple one-liners, and the Pred having back-and-forth conversations with humans that come off as comedic.
You're right, which is why this film has largely the former.
As for the script, I don't hand it out because I don't want to burn my source. If other people got it other ways they can do whatever they want.
OK for you lot hoarding the script :laugh: Is Munn's character CIA? I thought she was just a teacher or something...
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OK for you lot hoarding the script :laugh: Is Munn's character CIA? I thought she was just a teacher or something...
I think she's a scientist.
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OK for you lot hoarding the script :laugh: Is Munn's character CIA?
No. But she has ties to the CIA.
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OK for you lot hoarding the script :laugh: Is Munn's character CIA?
No. But she has ties to the CIA.
So she does have military training of some sort yeah?
There goes the Predators image down the toilet (even more now). No wonder Arnold didn't want to be part of this.
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Quote from: Doomofman on May 14, 2017, 02:38:47 PM
OK for you lot hoarding the script :laugh: Is Munn's character CIA?
No. But she has ties to the CIA.
So she does have military training of some sort yeah?
I don't recall. I don't think so, but IIRC she handles the firearm she gets her hands on early in the story pretty well - until it jams.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 12, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
big difference between a Pred repeating a couple one-liners, and the Pred having back-and-forth conversations with humans that come off as comedic.
You're right, which is why this film has largely the former.
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Without warning, ONE OF THE PREDATORS "talks"; its peculiar, throaty RATTLE of CLICKS over a scratchy P.A. speaker. An AIDE hands Woodhurst a device with a small LED screen. He keys it like a walkie-talkie, says: WOODHURST Please repeat that. The Predator repeats with more emphasis. Woodhurst looks at THE LED SCREEN
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MCKENNA (finishing the thought) -- and rips out its spine for the DNA, to take back home. (turns to Predator) Is that about the size of it..? The Predator SPEAKS AGAIN. Woodhurst looks at THE TRANSLATOR: Searching... Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE "About size."
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WILLIAMS (CONT'D) Guess they took care of the bugs? One of the PREDATOR DEFECTORS utters some guttural CLICKS. Williams consults the translator: Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE "Fornicate."
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MCKENNA HOW DO WE WIN--?? BLEAT OF CLICKS from the Predator. Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE "Maybe not win."
Looks like it has more the latter.
We've been over most of those before, man. I am not the first person to tell you those are not wisecracks but more the Predator saying things that also happen to be perceived as funny by the audience. You can repeat them a third time, the answer won't change.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 15, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
We've been over most of those before, man. I am not the first person to tell you those are not wisecracks but more the Predator saying things that also happen to be perceived as funny by the audience. You can repeat them a third time, the answer won't change.
No need for more twisting dude.Evrrybody saw the preds wearing human cargo pants and ride the APC like it was AVP the Capcom arcade game...Ive been warning the fans since months.
I can't wait. This sounds like what I've always fantasized about for the Predator series.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 15, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
We've been over most of those before, man. I am not the first person to tell you those are not wisecracks but more the Predator saying things that also happen to be perceived as funny by the audience. You can repeat them a third time, the answer won't change.
No need for more twisting dude.
Not twisting a thing, but okay.
Reading back through some of this thread I think everyone should give the film a chance.
I don't see any point in making yet another film which just re-treads the first movie, if the franchise is to go on then it needs to adapt and broaden the story.
I get that some of the plot points and parts of the script may appear hokey when read or as in this case dropped into the thread without context but it will translate very differently to the screen.
Black is very good, I was pleased he was making the film and that hasn't changed. I trust him to pull this off and think its in the best possible hands. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and The Nice Guys are both brilliant films but neither sound that impressive if you just sum them up in a few lines, the key is in the delivery.
Besides, no amount of griping is going to make the slightest difference to the film they make. It is what it is now and you'll either like it or not.
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How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
big difference between a Pred repeating a couple one-liners, and the Pred having back-and-forth conversations with humans that come off as comedic.
You're right, which is why this film has largely the former.
Spoiler
Without warning, ONE OF THE PREDATORS "talks"; its peculiar, throaty RATTLE of CLICKS over a scratchy P.A. speaker. An AIDE hands Woodhurst a device with a small LED screen. He keys it like a walkie-talkie, says: WOODHURST Please repeat that. The Predator repeats with more emphasis. Woodhurst looks at THE LED SCREEN
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MCKENNA (finishing the thought) -- and rips out its spine for the DNA, to take back home. (turns to Predator) Is that about the size of it..? The Predator SPEAKS AGAIN. Woodhurst looks at THE TRANSLATOR: Searching... Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE "About size."
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WILLIAMS (CONT'D) Guess they took care of the bugs? One of the PREDATOR DEFECTORS utters some guttural CLICKS. Williams consults the translator: Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE "Fornicate."
Spoiler
MCKENNA HOW DO WE WIN--?? BLEAT OF CLICKS from the Predator. Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE "Maybe not win."
Looks like it has more the latter.
While you're at it, why don't you post the entire script
You cannot have Predators
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hunting so they can extract DNA from their prey's spinal columns
Quote from: EJA on May 15, 2017, 03:34:20 PM
You cannot have Predators
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hunting so they can extract DNA from their prey's spinal columns
It's a stupid premise, since we've got lots of DNA stored in the other parts of our bodies. Stemcells too if you're thinking that's the sole reason they go for that specific part. A simple change to the script where even the Cuddly Predators don't know why the Crabby Predators go for that particular body part for their genetic harvest but assume it's for psychotic joy of it would be better. It's such a small change and yet it fixes the cringey pseudo-science of it and makes the Crabby Predators seem more menacing.
But they are I-pod predators, not your daddy's predators!
...Sorry, wrong film.
Well that sounds like something... Not sure what that something is yet.
Quote from: Keith on May 15, 2017, 03:02:52 AM
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How are translator devices more 'over the top' than the Predator speaking English in the first two movies?
big difference between a Pred repeating a couple one-liners, and the Pred having back-and-forth conversations with humans that come off as comedic.
You're right, which is why this film has largely the former.
Spoiler
Without warning, ONE OF THE PREDATORS "talks"; its peculiar, throaty RATTLE of CLICKS over a scratchy P.A. speaker. An AIDE hands Woodhurst a device with a small LED screen. He keys it like a walkie-talkie, says: WOODHURST Please repeat that. The Predator repeats with more emphasis. Woodhurst looks at THE LED SCREEN
Spoiler
Predator SPEAKS AGAIN. Woodhurst looks at THE TRANSLATOR: Searching... Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE
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Searching... Searching... TRANSLATOR VOICE "Maybe not win."
i was instantly reminded of South Park's Dairy Milk Compan search computer locating Ben Affleck. "searching.....searching".
not a good thing.
Quote from: Master on May 15, 2017, 07:33:51 PM
But they are I-pod predators, not your daddy's predators!
...Sorry, wrong film.
Nah, these are the Smartphone Predators. I-pod Predators are so last decade... literally. :P
I like how it is suggested there is a real camaraderie between the 6 "heroes ". It would be nice to see more than 1 survive though. Any spoilers on this??
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Everybody bites it. Only hero, chick and boy survives.
Quote from: Master on May 16, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
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Everybody bites it. Only hero, chick and boy survives.
I kinda figured that would be the case.
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What happens to the kids mother? Does she figure into the story much at all?
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She does, but isn`t involved in any real threat apart from brief stargazzer interrogation.
Quote from: Master on May 16, 2017, 12:11:43 PM
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She does, but isn`t involved in any real threat apart from brief stargazzer interrogation.
Ah ok, thanks
So is there any horror or terror in this movie? Seems more like an action comedy so far.
Quote from: Ulm on May 16, 2017, 01:27:25 PM
So is there any horror or terror in this movie? Seems more like an action comedy so far.
I never thought Predator was actually scary but I think terror will happen when some one gets their spine ripped out.
Ah i at least thought Trevante was a chance to make it. I can only assume they all go down swinging in the final " battle"??
Can people gauge from the script if the
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predator/human team-up
is the kind of thing you'd see in the trailer or if it will be considered quite a big plot tun in the film?
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If the 'good' predators are the in the same 'team' as the one that killed the leads squad at the start, I imagine he'll be quite tense when working with the predators. Which would be interesting.
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Can people gauge from the script if the Spoiler
predator/human team-up
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If the 'good' predators are the in the same 'team' as the one that killed the leads squad at the start, I imagine he'll be quite tense when working with the predators. Which would be interesting.
That's a good question. From what I've seen posted on here it doesn't seem like a huge reveal or anything. But I'm still trying to get hold of the script so maybe it's a bigger thing than has been made out on here
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Can people gauge from the script if the Spoiler
predator/human team-up
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If the 'good' predators are the in the same 'team' as the one that killed the leads squad at the start, I imagine he'll be quite tense when working with the predators. Which would be interesting.
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It`s plot twist, or continuation of the plot twist.
Answer for second one is not so simple to me. It is implied he`s also a defector, but has human DNA in his blood sample, which indicates Hybrid.
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Other two never meet this one, he bites it earlier while defending humans. With one blow of course.
I don't remember any indication of
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the defected Predator seen in the first two acts having human blood.
Speedymaxx, out of all the lucky ones who got to read the script, you're probably the only one who makes sense. If you don't mind telling us a bit more, what is the title "The Predator" in reference to? The hybrid? The predators/humans savage nature? Or something else entirely? From your understanding based on the script of course.
Quote from: DavidCollins on May 17, 2017, 03:45:19 PM
Speedymaxx, out of all the lucky ones who got to read the script, you're probably the only one who makes sense. If you don't mind telling us a bit more, what is the title "The Predator" in reference to? The hybrid? The predators/humans savage nature? Or something else entirely? From your understanding based on the script of course.
it's for the upgrade? That's what I got from the very start.
Cereal Killer, i guess your words and Speedymaxx's are pretty much the same, correct? So the upgrade is the genetically enhanced 10 foot Predator that wipes the floor with the regular predators, virtually indestructible so the only way to get rid of it is the human/predator team up. Something like that?
Quote from: DavidCollins on May 17, 2017, 04:21:36 PM
Cereal Killer, i guess your words and Speedymaxx's are pretty much the same, correct? So the upgrade is the genetically enhanced 10 foot Predator that wipes the floor with the regular predators, virtually indestructible so the only way to get rid of it is the human/predator team up. Something like that?
yeah that's pretty much it.
So It's essentially Batman V Superman V Doomsday. And the latter obviously the giant hybrid.
very creative, Black. very creative.
I really get that feeling 'yeah, that's brilliant' in regards to boasting about how they're gonna make a sequel / reboot.
all i'm hearing of is a mix of
jurassic park ripoff (the wunderkid who coincidentally knows systems)
the accountant (the autistic wunderkid)
batman v superman (doomsday and team up)
alien vs predator (human teams up with predator)
alien vs predator R (evil predator hybrid PLUS the crashing predship (they crash a lot it seems)
predators (superpredators and doggies, though offcourse this is the same universe so....ok)
independence day (bunker with alien stuff and alien breaks out)
independence day 2 (giant mother alien)
and those are just from the top of my head.
the only thing i seem to get from this is that he thought ; let's just steal EVERYTHING and make that a movie!
what franchise is kindof dead but is still able to be squeezed out just a tad more before murdering it out completely, AND will bring a buck?
well, Alien Covenant is all the wins right now, so let's do that other thing, PREDATOR! you already know that, black!
- perfect! i hated that movie anyways. let's do it, let's get that f***er arnold in.
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I don't remember any indication of Spoiler
the defected Predator seen in the first two acts having human blood.
Yeah, all I remember
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was 'human eyes'.
I find the idea fascinating, i like the whole upgraded, enhanced predator thing. Yeah it might sound like something off a comic book movie but as long as it's R rated then i'm cool. About the DNA sucking thing, the process that supposedly makes the predator stronger or something (from what i've heard),if it's for real i guess it's kinda cool if the Upgrade took the DNA from the heroes of the first 2 movies, Dutch and Harrigan. It killed them, sucked their DNA for whatever reason and it makes the Upgrade special, in terms of its genetics and its honor. I mean those 2 guys were true warriors, they meant a lot to the predators. Sucking their DNA is an honorable act. LoL maybe it sounds a bit far fetched, i don't know.
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I don't remember any indication of Spoiler
the defected Predator seen in the first two acts having human blood.
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Not blood, dna.
COLWELL
(shakes his head)
We ran the genome sequence ten
times. This specimen has --
CASEY
-- human DNA.
She looks at them, baffled. How is that possible?
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 17, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
I don't remember any indication of Spoiler
the defected Predator seen in the first two acts having human blood.
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Not blood, dna.
COLWELL
(shakes his head)
We ran the genome sequence ten
times. This specimen has --
CASEY
-- human DNA.
She looks at them, baffled. How is that possible?
God damn stop teasing me with that bloody script :laugh:
Though on the other hand... is there any indication that any predator (hybrid or not) in the movie has human features? ;D
Quote from: Master on May 17, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 17, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
I don't remember any indication of Spoiler
the defected Predator seen in the first two acts having human blood.
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Not blood, dna.
COLWELL
(shakes his head)
We ran the genome sequence ten
times. This specimen has --
CASEY
-- human DNA.
She looks at them, baffled. How is that possible?
Sorry kind of confusing here,may I know.
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So are all the predators here mix with human DNA,how about those 2 from leaked picture recently.
@Lotus
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Seriously don't know. If first one have traces of human DNA, it's posdible those two have it too.
@Doomofman
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Yes. Actually Super Hybrid Predator has human eyes and is looking more human then others.
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@Doomofman
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Yes. Actually Super Hybrid Predator has human eyes and is looking more human then others.
I really hope that point is like the Super Preds in the Predators script and is toned way down in the final movie...
The only bits of the script I've heard about on here I've not liked are that point above and...
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How ridiculously overpowered it is (tearing limb from limb etc)
Quote from: ithinkitshawkins on May 17, 2017, 05:41:04 PM
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I don't remember any indication of Spoiler
the defected Predator seen in the first two acts having human blood.
Yeah, all I remember Spoiler
was 'human eyes'.
And that makes sense how? Why would it have...?
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Apparently their planet is dying out. It's becoming colder. So they're taking human DNA and using so they can adapt to our world. And from I gathered from the script, to take it over. It doesn't say that specifically, but that's how I read it.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 17, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
I don't remember any indication of Spoiler
the defected Predator seen in the first two acts having human blood.
Yeah, all I remember Spoiler
was 'human eyes'.
And that makes sense how? Why would it have...?
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Apparently their planet is dying out. It's becoming colder. So they're taking human DNA and using so they can adapt to our world. And from I gathered from the script, to take it over. It doesn't say that specifically, but that's how I read it.
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So the predators in this movie will look more human than P1 and P2 for example? Did the upgrade have the human eyes or the regular predator(s)?
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Just the Hybrid.
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Then why between predators war if they need to escape from their planet? or some predators want to live peacefully with us on our planet?
It's The thing that makes me despise this script much.
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Predators, interstellar super advanced species that hunted on great many worlds just now realised they need our backwater earth. So what? Invasion! Come on...
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Nope, it's suggestion. There is bit of dialogue that events in this one started a war and the answer is the war already started. Plus this whole mumbo jumbo of genetic changes to better cope with our atmosphere
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Thanks! Just to be clear. The regular predators are really just regular predators? And the Hybrid is a human/predator hybrid? Or does he have other species in his DNA as well?
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Yes, the regular Predators are normal. As for the hybrid, it's more Predator than human, but I guess it's evolving. We never see the full realization of what that would look like though.
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Nope, it's suggestion. There is bit of dialogue that events in this one started a war and the answer is the war already started. Plus this whole mumbo jumbo of genetic changes to better cope with our atmosphere
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In the script, how do they explain why the main characters should put these friendly predators on a hybrid ship and send them back home? And why are the fate of these predators so concerned about the protagonists?
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Nope, it's suggestion. There is bit of dialogue that events in this one started a war and the answer is the war already started. Plus this whole mumbo jumbo of genetic changes to better cope with our atmosphere
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Okay last question then i will shut up. A war between regular predator and hybrids? The regular ones don't want to take over the earth?
It's not answered straight.
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Quote from: Master on May 17, 2017, 08:53:07 PM
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Nope, it's suggestion. There is bit of dialogue that events in this one started a war and the answer is the war already started. Plus this whole mumbo jumbo of genetic changes to better cope with our atmosphere
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In the script, how do they explain why the main characters should put these friendly predators on a hybrid ship and send them back home? And why are the fate of these predators so concerned about the protagonists?
They shouldn't. They are just fighting common enemy.
The Upgrade has
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"human eyes."
Not any classic Predator.
The classic Predators
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do not care about conquering Earth - they are dissidents embroiled in a civil war with the Upgrades, who know our planet is warming and seek to take it over because theirs is cooling down. They need a hot climate to thrive. The classic Predators seen in the third act came to Earth and contacted agents in our government to alert them to the threat and work to defeat a common enemy: the Upgraded Predators.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 18, 2017, 03:44:05 AM
The Upgrade has Spoiler
"human eyes."
The classic Predators Spoiler
do not care about conquering Earth - they are dissidents embroiled in a civil war with the Upgrades, who know our planet is warming and seek to take it over because theirs is cooling down. They need a hot climate to thrive. The classic Predators seen in the third act came to Earth and contacted agents in our government to alert them to the threat and work to defeat a common enemy: the Upgraded Predators.
That sounds god awful.
Quote from: Ushella on May 18, 2017, 06:56:44 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 18, 2017, 03:44:05 AM
The Upgrade has Spoiler
"human eyes."
The classic Predators Spoiler
do not care about conquering Earth - they are dissidents embroiled in a civil war with the Upgrades, who know our planet is warming and seek to take it over because theirs is cooling down. They need a hot climate to thrive. The classic Predators seen in the third act came to Earth and contacted agents in our government to alert them to the threat and work to defeat a common enemy: the Upgraded Predators.
That sounds god awful.
Not only does it sound god awful, it also makes absolutely no sense.
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There are two known sapient species in our universe if we ignore AvP and we know for a fact that Predators have terraformed hot humid game preserve planets which can easily be inhabited.
This and "Predators" cannot function in the same canon unless they manage to explain this bullshit. Seriously, even throwing "Predators" out the window we still know that the Predator species has FTL travel which they use at their leisure.
Then there's the whole
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"indepth discussion as to why we call them Predators when they aren't really predators" thing I read a while back. Seriously? Who the hell wrote the damn script if that's actually a part of it? I can't remember them ever actually being referred to as Predators in the movies, only Hunters or something like that. This reeks of stupidity pretending to wak philosophical.
Quote from: Kurai on May 18, 2017, 07:36:43 AM
Not only does it sound god awful, it also makes absolutely no sense.
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There are two known sapient species in our universe if we ignore AvP and we know for a fact that Predators have terraformed hot humid game preserve planets which can easily be inhabited.
Do we? From what? I don't know of anything in
Predators that explicitly indicates terraforming, and comics and AVP don't count. And regardless of any terraforming elsewhere, that still doesn't mean it's not plausible for them
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to look to Earth. Just because there could be other worlds to use does not make Earth less of an option, it just means you personally think they should go somewhere else. That's not 'no sense,' that's your opinion.
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Seriously? Who the hell wrote the damn script if that's actually a part of it? I can't remember them ever actually being referred to as Predators in the movies, only Hunters or something like that.
They're referred to as that in this film. Then it's explored and unpacked in terms of backstory.
Quote from: Ushella on May 18, 2017, 06:56:44 AM
That sounds god awful.
K
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Quote from: Kurai on May 18, 2017, 07:36:43 AM
Not only does it sound god awful, it also makes absolutely no sense.
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There are two known sapient species in our universe if we ignore AvP and we know for a fact that Predators have terraformed hot humid game preserve planets which can easily be inhabited.
Do we? From what? I don't know of anything in Predators that explicitly indicates terraforming, and comics and AVP don't count. And regardless of any terraforming elsewhere, that still doesn't mean it's not plausible for them Spoiler
to look to Earth. Just because there could be other worlds to use does not make Earth less of an option, it just means you personally think they should go somewhere else. That's not 'no sense,' that's your opinion.
QuoteSpoiler
Seriously? Who the hell wrote the damn script if that's actually a part of it? I can't remember them ever actually being referred to as Predators in the movies, only Hunters or something like that.
They're referred to as that in this film. Then it's explored and unpacked in terms of backstory.
Quote from: Ushella on May 18, 2017, 06:56:44 AM
That sounds god awful.
K
You're spot on about
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The terraforming, it's never even hinted at in the movies anywhere, just extended universe comics, books etc I'd imagine.
As for
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Them being referred to as predators in the movie, that's fine, Keyes already referred to the one in P2 as a predator. It's been done, no big deal
Turning one of the most distinct franchise in to yet another alien invasion truly is God awful.
Why AvP don`t count? Cause you don`t like it? It`s funy cause it`s even acknowlaged in the script :D
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Holy shit -- THE BATTLE-SCARRED PREDATOR BIOHELMET.
The iconic WAR MASK from five separate films. It DWARFS this
suburban boy's delicate hands.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
Turning one of the most distinct franchise in to yet another alien invasion truly is God awful.
Why AvP don`t count? Cause you don`t like it? It`s funy cause it`s even acknowlaged in the script :D
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Holy shit -- THE BATTLE-SCARRED PREDATOR BIOHELMET.
The iconic WAR MASK from five separate films. It DWARFS this
suburban boy's delicate hands.
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That, in and of itself, does not confirm that the AVP movies are explicitly acknowledged within the story of the film itself.
Quote from: EJA on May 18, 2017, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
Turning one of the most distinct franchise in to yet another alien invasion truly is God awful.
Why AvP don`t count? Cause you don`t like it? It`s funy cause it`s even acknowlaged in the script :D
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Holy shit -- THE BATTLE-SCARRED PREDATOR BIOHELMET.
The iconic WAR MASK from five separate films. It DWARFS this
suburban boy's delicate hands.
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That, in and of itself, does not confirm that the AVP movies are explicitly acknowledged within the story of the film itself.
None other story, except first film maybe is.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2017, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: EJA on May 18, 2017, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
Turning one of the most distinct franchise in to yet another alien invasion truly is God awful.
Why AvP don`t count? Cause you don`t like it? It`s funy cause it`s even acknowlaged in the script :D
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Holy shit -- THE BATTLE-SCARRED PREDATOR BIOHELMET.
The iconic WAR MASK from five separate films. It DWARFS this
suburban boy's delicate hands.
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That, in and of itself, does not confirm that the AVP movies are explicitly acknowledged within the story of the film itself.
None other story, except first film maybe is.
Predators is referenced , when they talk about the predator cold war.It's a script note not a piece of dialogue, but still, they aknowledge Predators.
Does the Hybrid Predator get a cool intro like Wolf did (throne room)?
Hello everyone !
I'm new on the forum, but i've read everything posted on this topic, and I'm very excited so far despite the fact that some new stuff may be weird for a lot of people (including me), but I think Black is a talented filmmaker, and he can make us adhere to what we will be seeing in some extent, the execution is crucial I believe. But regarding the leaked script, SpeedyMaxx can you please tell me if you saw anything about new predator weaponry, especially concerning the upgraded predator ? Maybe new weapons/gadgets that he specifically brought for his tasks on earth ? Though if you don't want to spoil this I will understand. Anyway for the most part I agree with you on this, I think Shane Black could do very well, I hope we get a very fun, entertaining movie !
None of this sounds like something I wanted...
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 18, 2017, 07:46:03 AM
Do we? From what? I don't know of anything in Predators that explicitly indicates terraforming, and comics and AVP don't count. And regardless of any terraforming elsewhere, that still doesn't mean it's not plausible for them Spoiler
to look to Earth. Just because there could be other worlds to use does not make Earth less of an option, it just means you personally think they should go somewhere else. That's not 'no sense,' that's your opinion.
Ok, I really wonder why I have to spell this out but here it goes...
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Predators takes place on an alien planet specifically made to resemble Earth, right down to the flora. Now, perhaps this was terraformed by some other race or maybe it just magically happens to have plants that can be identified by anyone watching the film and even the characters IN the film, none of that changes anything. It's still a viable world for the Predators to damn well inhabit. Seriously, how do people have a blind spot for this? ???
And on the other point.
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It's all about motivation, why go do something you have even a possibility of failing at when you have a location you won't be faced with a fight? Any attempt at explanation you give is simply "This is the way the movie wants it so there", it's a handwave or trolling, I can't tell.
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Seriously? Who the hell wrote the damn script if that's actually a part of it? I can't remember them ever actually being referred to as Predators in the movies, only Hunters or something like that.
They're referred to as that in this film. Then it's explored and unpacked in terms of backstory.
Still poor writing trying to mask itself as intellectual.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
Why AvP don`t count? Cause you don`t like it?
Because it's a piece of shit and any defense of it leads me to stop listening to the poster.
Quote from: Kurai on May 18, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
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Predators takes place on an alien planet specifically made to resemble Earth, right down to the flora.
How do we know it was made to resemble Earth? Because a fan wiki entry suggests it might be? Or is it in the film?
Even so, just you saying 'well, they should just use that world if they have it' does not invalidate the writers choosing to use a different story turn and make a different choice in this movie. Anything else is your personal opinion.
QuoteStill poor writing trying to mask itself as intellectual.
The script is not exactly what I'd call intellectual.
Quote from: ithinkitshawkins on May 18, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
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So the jungle hunter and city hunter weren't hunting humans for DNA (spines)?
I think they may well have been - along with trophies - but the implication in the story
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is that the classic Predators now feel the Upgrades are going too far with the hybridization. Getting away from the original race.
Ok. so stop. Not that I care. The fact is you're twisting facts when you see fitting.
Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 12:00:23 AM
Ok. so stop. Not that I care. The fact is you're twisting facts when you see fitting.
What am I twisting? That the script 'sucks'? I disagree - as a Predator fan I like it a lot.
I'm answering things as honestly and plainly as I can. I said from the beginning this movie will divide the hardcore fanbase and definitely not be for everyone. We're seeing that now.
Just because I like it and you don't doesn't mean I'm 'twisting' a thing. It means we disagree. I also happen to hate the AVP films and deeply dislike P2. It's not a big deal if we disagree. You and a couple other posters are the ones making it personal. I don't give a shit.
Too hot here in the forum on the site of predators, I would have moved here.
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Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 12:00:23 AM
Ok. so stop. Not that I care. The fact is you're twisting facts when you see fitting.
What am I twisting? That the script 'sucks'? I disagree - as a Predator fan I like it a lot.
I'm answering things as honestly and plainly as I can. I said from the beginning this movie will divide the hardcore fanbase and definitely not be for everyone. We're seeing that now.
Just because I like it and you don't doesn't mean I'm 'twisting' a thing. It means we disagree. I also happen to hate the AVP films and deeply dislike P2. It's not a big deal if we disagree. You and a couple other posters are the ones making it personal. I don't give a shit.
You say 'avps don't count' yet existence of five films is even acknowledged in script you like so much. It's not twisting? I'm confused. The fact you don't like something, doesn't make it any less valid in discussions.
I'm curious about the mention of AvP in the script.
So both AvPs count? Do they mention Wolf and the Xenomorphs in that suburb?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 19, 2017, 12:29:37 AM
I'm curious about the mention of AvP in the script.
So both AvPs count? Do they mention Wolf and the Xenomorphs in that suburb?
It's not mentioned, it's acknowledged.
I cant believe it :o HOW????
Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 12:34:24 AM
It's not mentioned, it's acknowledged.
The f**k?!!
Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
You say 'avps don't count' yet existence of five films is even acknowledged in script you like so much.
Man, the
only mention of AVP is in a non-story
stage direction mentioning that the being we know as the Predator has been featured in five different movies - which everyone knows IRL. That's not the same thing as AVP being addressed in story, and you know it. That's also not me twisting a thing - that's you trying to twist a stage direction to validate your continuity angst - but over what, exactly? Or perhaps more relevant, it's to validate your anger that I don't like AVP. Which has nothing to do with this movie or this script.
This is literally the definition of 'twisting' something - it's you claiming AVP plays a role in the movie and getting fans all excited. It doesn't, at all. It's astonishing how hypocritical and trollish you're choosing to be here.
There's no mention of the
AvP films in the script. This is what is says:
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The iconic WAR MASK from five separate films. It DWARFS this
suburban boy's delicate hands.
Unless I missed something, that's the only acknowledgement I can think of. But it doesn't pertain to the story at all. Just a reference how the mask is in all the other films.
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Predators takes place on an alien planet specifically made to resemble Earth, right down to the flora.
How do we know it was made to resemble Earth? Because a fan wiki entry suggests it might be? Or is it in the film?
Even so, just you saying 'well, they should just use that world if they have it' does not invalidate the writers choosing to use a different story turn and make a different choice in this movie. Anything else is your personal opinion.
IN the film. It's even two main bloody plot points...
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Edwin saves Nikolai because he recognizes the toxic plant, which he even gives the taxonomical name for, thus becoming buddies with Nikolai. Edwin then goes on to use the poison from said plant he identified to paralyze Isabella.
You don't seem to have an understanding of writing as a whole and are blindly whiteknighting the script throughout this entire topic regardless of any valid points presented against it.
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Let's take the "Invasion" plot. Predators are getting colds back at home and want a cushy new home somewhere that's getting warmer. Let's pretend that the Game Preserve world doesn't exist or for some reason is uninhabitable... This is all based on a poor understanding of Global Warming, taken simply at face value. Unfortunatly, Global Warming is more complex than that and will most likely end with us living on a Snowball of a planet, the heating of the planet is just the first symptom which will cause a domino effect across ocean currents, land/ocean ratio... etc. That's just one major headscratcher, I've gone at length about the "Otherness" required for the Predators to keep them seperate from humans.
But fine... Let's say that perhaps the Predators can deal with our plnet becoming cooler (why didn't they do that to their planet?!) or that just doesn't happen in this particular universe, melting of the icecaps doesn't cause ocean currents to change and such... What other reasons do they have for coming to Earth? If Predator 2 is considered canon then the atmosphere isn't healthy for them long term.
Spines filled with DNA? I've already mentioned how stupid that is but even if it weren't, Predators HAVE the ability to abduct people with ease and extract their DNA at leisure and if Predators the movie is canon, the humans don't even know the abduction took place, so the Predators obviously have an understanding of our biology and brain chemistry already, probably from dissecting us plenty of times through history, in which case they'd have an entire encyclopedic backlog of genetic material to clone and engineer for hybridyzation!
Argh! It just all bloody falls apart at the seams, even with a helping of necessary setting aside of reality. :-X
Now I know, there's no accounting for taste and a parody may be for you, but remember, whether this is a success or a failure at the box office... This will affect if we see a new Predator film soon after and whether or not we'll have Hunters, Invaders or Buddies. Which of those three fits Predator?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 18, 2017, 11:54:02 PM
The script is not exactly what I'd call intellectual.
It shouldn't even try to be. Call them Predators in the film, fine, they shouldn't wax philosophical about it.
And that's exactly what I meant. Mind you no other film except for very brief mention of the first one is there.
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Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
You say 'avps don't count' yet existence of five films is even acknowledged in script you like so much.
Man, the only mention of AVP is in a non-story stage direction mentioning that the being we know as the Predator has been featured in five different movies - which everyone knows IRL. That's not the same thing as AVP being addressed in story, and you know it. That's also not me twisting a thing - that's you trying to twist a stage direction to validate your continuity angst - but over what, exactly? Or perhaps more relevant, it's to validate your anger that I don't like AVP. Which has nothing to do with this movie or this script.
This is literally the definition of 'twisting' something - it's you claiming AVP plays a role in the movie and getting fans all excited. It doesn't, at all. It's astonishing how hypocritical and trollish you're choosing to be here.
Thanks for proving my point. Never said AvP is mentioned in story or playsa role, just acknowledged in script, which is a pointed above. Very definition of twisting things.
As far as I see it you're pissed I have access to the script, I don't like it and am vocal about it. What you're saying is now confronted by different point of view, which blows your "so lovin the new movie I totally haven't seen parade".
Quote from: Kurai on May 18, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 18, 2017, 07:46:03 AM
Spoiler
to look to Earth. Just because there could be other worlds to use does not make Earth less of an option, it just means you personally think they should go somewhere else. That's not 'no sense,' that's your opinion.
Ok, I really wonder why I have to spell this out but here it goes...
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Predators takes place on an alien planet specifically made to resemble Earth, right down to the flora. Now, perhaps this was terraformed by some other race or maybe it just magically happens to have plants that can be identified by anyone watching the film and even the characters IN the film, none of that changes anything. It's still a viable world for the Predators to damn well inhabit. Seriously, how do people have a blind spot for this? ???
And on the other point.
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It's all about motivation, why go do something you have even a possibility of failing at when you have a location you won't be faced with a fight? Any attempt at explanation you give is simply "This is the way the movie wants it so there", it's a handwave or trolling, I can't tell.
Yeah, I don't understand why they can't just use the Game Reserve as their new home. Or just as a base planet so they can search for a better, larger planet that would suit their needs. The invasion on Earth sounds unnecessary for them.
Quote from: Kurai on May 19, 2017, 05:23:55 AM.
Spoiler
Edwin saves Nikolai because he recognizes the toxic plant, which he even gives the taxonomical name for, thus becoming buddies with Nikolai. Edwin then goes on to use the poison from said plant he identified to paralyze Isabella.
Again: Not clear evidence of an 'obviously' terraformed planet - and even if it were, it would not negate this new film's story choices.
QuoteSpoiler
But fine... Let's say that perhaps the Predators can deal with our plnet becoming cooler (why didn't they do that to their planet?!) or that just doesn't happen in this particular universe, melting of the icecaps doesn't cause ocean currents to change and such... What other reasons do they have for coming to Earth? If Predator 2 is considered canon then the atmosphere isn't healthy for them long term.
Spoiler
The environment will be made healthy for them, through global warming (which we're not going to debate the ultimate effects of, because come on). It makes our planet unlivable for us, and livable for them. Over time, and perhaps future engineering.
QuoteSpoiler
Spines filled with DNA? I've already mentioned how stupid that is but even if it weren't, Predators HAVE the ability to abduct people with ease and extract their DNA at leisure and if Predators the movie is canon, the humans don't even know the abduction took place, so the Predators obviously have an understanding of our biology and brain chemistry already, probably from dissecting us plenty of times through history, in which case they'd have an entire encyclopedic backlog of genetic material to clone and engineer for hybridyzation!
Spoiler
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Maybe they both like to hunt and claim the trophy of the DNA from their kills. In fact, that's exactly what the script suggests. They hunt the strongest prey on worlds, and harvest their DNA.
QuoteNow I know, there's no accounting for taste and a parody may be for you, but remember, whether this is a success or a failure at the box office... This will affect if we see a new Predator film soon after and whether or not we'll have Hunters, Invaders or Buddies. Which of those three fits Predator?
Only two of the above are in the new film - the latter is not. I suggest you wait to see the movie before declaring it is a parody - or assuming the hardcore fanbase which lives and dies by fan-canon from the little-remembered
Predators will determine box office.
Quoteblindly whiteknighting the script throughout this entire topic regardless of any valid points presented against it.
I think there are plenty of valid points to make about not liking the story's tone or ideas (sight unseen). That's a matter of personal taste and I don't begrudge people that. But do I think the basic concepts presented in the story 'make no sense'? No, not at all. You not liking them because you are wedded to a minor plot beat from
Predators - combined with fan theory about the setting of that forgettable sequel - does not mean this film's story makes no sense. It just means it doesn't tick a certain box for you because you've decided this story should not be allowed to happen. But you don't give a reason why other than 'there's other planets available.' That's not a good enough reason. That's not objective, it's subjective.
Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 05:33:32 AM
Thanks for proving my point. Never said AvP is mentioned in story or playsa role, just acknowledged in script, which is a pointed above. Very definition of twisting things.
No, 'twisting things' is telling people this movie deals with AVP in some way - it doesn't. The most it's acknowledged is by the script acknowledging there have been five films featuring the Predator. You're trying to salvage your misguided remarks because you're mad I don't like AVP; you can't. Save it.
Quote from: Ushella on May 19, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
Yeah, I don't understand why they can't just Spoiler
use the Game Reserve as their new home.
Because, IIRC, Shane Black has claimed this film takes place before
Predators.
Also? Because no one outside the most diehard of the fanbase gives a f**k about
Predators.
For those with the script can someone explain the Hybrid Predator unmasking scene please...
Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 05:33:32 AM
As far as I see it you're pissed I have access to the script, I don't like it and am vocal about it. What you're saying is now confronted by different point of view, which blows your "so lovin the new movie I totally haven't seen parade".
Dude, if I cared what people thought I wouldn't have posted in the first place. My first few weeks in here were spent by you and Predator_Spirit calling me a fraud when neither of you had read it at the time. I don't care if you read it and don't like it. I care about being insulted.
Quote from: greygoose on May 19, 2017, 07:43:40 AM
For those with the script can someone explain the Hybrid Predator unmasking scene please...
What would you like to know?
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others.
I'm sorry you miss the freedom of IMDB but I'm bored of your attitudes seeping into this forum. If you don't stop arguing amongst yourselves and the endless bitching, I am going to live up to my dictator status and remove your abilities to post. If you don't like that, I'd suggest seeing if Manly Movies has a board and joining your ex-IMDB buddies.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 05:33:32 AM
As far as I see it you're pissed I have access to the script, I don't like it and am vocal about it. What you're saying is now confronted by different point of view, which blows your "so lovin the new movie I totally haven't seen parade".
Dude, if I cared what people thought I wouldn't have posted in the first place. My first few weeks in here were spent by you and Predator_Spirit calling me a fraud when neither of you had read it at the time. I don't care if you read it and don't like it. I care about being insulted.
Quote from: greygoose on May 19, 2017, 07:43:40 AM
For those with the script can someone explain the Hybrid Predator unmasking scene please...
What would you like to know?
Firstly, is there one?
If so is it going to be memorable like in the original movie?
Lastly, does the script offer a face description?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2017, 08:17:28 AM
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others. There is nothing constructive in your posts.
I'm sorry you miss the freedom of IMDB but I'm bored of your attitudes seeping into this forum. If you don't stop arguing amongst yourselves and the endless bitching, I am going to live up to my dictator status and remove your abilities to post. If you don't like that, I'd suggest seeing if Manly Movies has a board and joining your ex-IMDB buddies.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 07:40:10 AM
Quote from: Ushella on May 19, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
Yeah, I don't understand why they can't just Spoiler
use the Game Reserve as their new home.
Because, IIRC, Shane Black has claimed this film takes place before Predators.
Also? Because no one outside the most diehard of the fanbase gives a f**k about Predators.
Spoiler
They must be using the game reserve planets after failing to invade Earth I guess. Unless Predators is entirely not connected to Black's film.
In regard to the loonies who team up with McKenna, do they all have individual characteristics like in the original? And i know its a big Spoiler but in what order do they meet there demise?
Quote from: greygoose on May 19, 2017, 08:30:09 AM
Firstly, is there one?
If so is it going to be memorable like in the original movie?
Lastly, does the script offer a face description?
Spoiler
I don't have it front of me, but yes, you do see its face and the creature is carefully revealed/described - as other leaks have stated, it is a massive creature, much larger and taller than the humans and IIRC the classic Predators. It wears no armor as 'its skin is its armor' and is very agile and fast. It has 'human eyes' due to its extreme hybridization with human DNA. That's what I can recall offhand.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on May 19, 2017, 10:10:17 AM
In regard to the loonies who team up with McKenna, do they all have individual characteristics like in the original? Spoiler
And i know its a big Spoiler but in what order do they meet there demise?
Spoiler
Two of the Loonies have a faux-antagonistic relationship - constant insults which apparently mask a deep bond. IIRC, Flyboy - the pilot - is a nervous type or paranoiac. Nebraska Williams (Trevante Rhodes) is very laconic and chill, but competent.
The other one or two(?) are there but a little less carefully defined. I'm not going to discuss the order of body count.
As I've mentioned before, the characterization of the soldiers minus Rhodes' character is one of my only real issues with the script; they're largely types - not unlike the original movie, to be fair - but I suspect the intention was to flesh those characters out once they cast actors like Thomas Jane, Keegan-Michael Key and Alfie Allen. I expect they will have a decent amount of material in the final product, I'd be shocked if they didn't.
Spoiler
Many other unknown animals/aliens contribute to the other upgraded hybrids seen late in the script - spider-Predators, etc. - but I can't recall any specific mentions for the central Upgraded Predator - I'm sure he has other DNA too, but I don't recall them explicating it too much.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
Spoiler
Many other unknown animals/aliens contribute to the other upgraded hybrids seen late in the script - spider-Predators, etc. - but I can't recall any specific mentions for the central Upgraded Predator - I'm sure he has other DNA too, but I don't recall them explicating it too much.
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 19, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
Spoiler
Many other unknown animals/aliens contribute to the other upgraded hybrids seen late in the script - spider-Predators, etc. - but I can't recall any specific mentions for the central Upgraded Predator - I'm sure he has other DNA too, but I don't recall them explicating it too much.
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
The pred defectors use M-60 machine guns and grappling hooks at some point.
The hybrid sports 2 wrist gauntlets , projectile arrows and
a cannon.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 07:40:10 AM
Quote from: Kurai on May 19, 2017, 05:23:55 AM.
Spoiler
Edwin saves Nikolai because he recognizes the toxic plant, which he even gives the taxonomical name for, thus becoming buddies with Nikolai. Edwin then goes on to use the poison from said plant he identified to paralyze Isabella.
Again: Not clear evidence of an 'obviously' terraformed planet - and even if it were, it would not negate this new film's story choices.
QuoteSpoiler
But fine... Let's say that perhaps the Predators can deal with our plnet becoming cooler (why didn't they do that to their planet?!) or that just doesn't happen in this particular universe, melting of the icecaps doesn't cause ocean currents to change and such... What other reasons do they have for coming to Earth? If Predator 2 is considered canon then the atmosphere isn't healthy for them long term.
Spoiler
The environment will be made healthy for them, through global warming (which we're not going to debate the ultimate effects of, because come on). It makes our planet unlivable for us, and livable for them. Over time, and perhaps future engineering.
QuoteSpoiler
Spines filled with DNA? I've already mentioned how stupid that is but even if it weren't, Predators HAVE the ability to abduct people with ease and extract their DNA at leisure and if Predators the movie is canon, the humans don't even know the abduction took place, so the Predators obviously have an understanding of our biology and brain chemistry already, probably from dissecting us plenty of times through history, in which case they'd have an entire encyclopedic backlog of genetic material to clone and engineer for hybridyzation!
Spoiler
Spoiler
Maybe they both like to hunt and claim the trophy of the DNA from their kills. In fact, that's exactly what the script suggests. They hunt the strongest prey on worlds, and harvest their DNA.
QuoteNow I know, there's no accounting for taste and a parody may be for you, but remember, whether this is a success or a failure at the box office... This will affect if we see a new Predator film soon after and whether or not we'll have Hunters, Invaders or Buddies. Which of those three fits Predator?
Only two of the above are in the new film - the latter is not. I suggest you wait to see the movie before declaring it is a parody - or assuming the hardcore fanbase which lives and dies by fan-canon from the little-remembered Predators will determine box office.
Quoteblindly whiteknighting the script throughout this entire topic regardless of any valid points presented against it.
I think there are plenty of valid points to make about not liking the story's tone or ideas (sight unseen). That's a matter of personal taste and I don't begrudge people that. But do I think the basic concepts presented in the story 'make no sense'? No, not at all. You not liking them because you are wedded to a minor plot beat from Predators - combined with fan theory about the setting of that forgettable sequel - does not mean this film's story makes no sense. It just means it doesn't tick a certain box for you because you've decided this story should not be allowed to happen. But you don't give a reason why other than 'there's other planets available.' That's not a good enough reason. That's not objective, it's subjective.
Quote from: Master on May 19, 2017, 05:33:32 AM
Thanks for proving my point. Never said AvP is mentioned in story or playsa role, just acknowledged in script, which is a pointed above. Very definition of twisting things.
No, 'twisting things' is telling people this movie deals with AVP in some way - it doesn't. The most it's acknowledged is by the script acknowledging there have been five films featuring the Predator. You're trying to salvage your misguided remarks because you're mad I don't like AVP; you can't. Save it.
Quote from: Ushella on May 19, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
Yeah, I don't understand why they can't just Spoiler
use the Game Reserve as their new home.
Because, IIRC, Shane Black has claimed this film takes place before Predators.
Also? Because no one outside the most diehard of the fanbase gives a f**k about Predators.
Wait, what? Do you even bother to read what I write? I assumed English is your first, but maybe not. Please be more careful to avoid misunderstanding. To your info, I don't like AvP too. For long time I hated it but grown to treat it as medicore film on pair with Ps, so much better then AvP-R, but still miles after originals. I can say we do agree about it not being great.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2017, 08:17:28 AM
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others.
I'm sorry you miss the freedom of IMDB but I'm bored of your attitudes seeping into this forum. If you don't stop arguing amongst yourselves and the endless bitching, I am going to live up to my dictator status and remove your abilities to post. If you don't like that, I'd suggest seeing if Manly Movies has a board and joining your ex-IMDB buddies.
Boss, ban me if you see fitting. I don't mind, maybe I do need some break from AvPG, your choice. I can't and I won't let the guy insult me, call me troll, lier and such because he has no right to do so. I'm carefull not to combine my unfavourable post about the story, with answers to questions of fellow board members. I'm here for long time, I'm no liar nor fraud, but I do have my opinion.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 19, 2017, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 19, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
Spoiler
Many other unknown animals/aliens contribute to the other upgraded hybrids seen late in the script - spider-Predators, etc. - but I can't recall any specific mentions for the central Upgraded Predator - I'm sure he has other DNA too, but I don't recall them explicating it too much.
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
The pred defectors use M-60 machine guns and grappling hooks at some point.
The hybrid sports 2 wrist gauntlets , projectile arrows and
a cannon.
Weak set...arrows?
And Ion Cannon.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 19, 2017, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 19, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
Spoiler
Many other unknown animals/aliens contribute to the other upgraded hybrids seen late in the script - spider-Predators, etc. - but I can't recall any specific mentions for the central Upgraded Predator - I'm sure he has other DNA too, but I don't recall them explicating it too much.
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
The pred defectors use M-60 machine guns and grappling hooks at some point.
The hybrid sports 2 wrist gauntlets , projectile arrows and
a cannon.
3 weapons - that all!
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 19, 2017, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 19, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 19, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
Spoiler
Many other unknown animals/aliens contribute to the other upgraded hybrids seen late in the script - spider-Predators, etc. - but I can't recall any specific mentions for the central Upgraded Predator - I'm sure he has other DNA too, but I don't recall them explicating it too much.
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
The pred defectors use M-60 machine guns and grappling hooks at some point.
The hybrid sports 2 wrist gauntlets , projectile arrows and
a cannon.
Ok thanks for the reply, by the way, when you say "wrist gauntlets", you mean wrist blades ?
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 19, 2017, 01:18:08 AM
There's no mention of the AvP films in the script. This is what is says:
Spoiler
The iconic WAR MASK from five separate films. It DWARFS this
suburban boy's delicate hands.
Unless I missed something, that's the only acknowledgement I can think of. But it doesn't pertain to the story at all. Just a reference how the mask is in all the other films.
Ah, NOW I get it what you guys meant by "acknowledged", it's just Shane's script writing. It's not literally acknowledged in-universe, but in-script.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2017, 08:17:28 AM
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others.
So it's OK for Speedy to fawn all over the script, but it's not OK for others to be critical of it?
He was referring to the attitudes, not disliking the script.
Attitudes? I just see it as people being passionate and having opinions. As long as there's no name calling, I don't see what the problem is.
And if someone doesn't like what a person is saying, they can always use the ignore button.
Quote from: Keith on May 20, 2017, 01:02:01 AM
Attitudes? I just see it as people being passionate and having opinions. As long as there's no name calling, I don't see what the problem is.
And if someone doesn't like what a person is saying, they can always use the ignore button.
Some of the posts have bordered on disrespect. There's nothing wrong with being passionate, but no reason to insult someone for enjoying a script. Same goes for people that dislike it.
I agree though, there's always the 'ignore button'.
Quote from: Keith on May 20, 2017, 12:28:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2017, 08:17:28 AM
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others.
So it's OK for Speedy to fawn all over the script, but it's not OK for others to be critical of it?
I said from my very first post in this folder that this movie will divide the fanbase in a major way a la Iron Man 3, and that it won't be for everyone, that people will either love it or hate it. I also said I love it. I don't apologize for that, but I've also never claimed everyone would.
You don't have to agree with me. But spending a month or two calling me a liar, a fraud and finally a shill - even from people who either hadn't even read it at the time or others who haven't read it now - gets tired. I can take it, but don't pretend it's the same thing as reasonable discussion. You can hate the ideas in the story all you like without making it personal.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 19, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
It's true that
Spoiler
the defectors use both human and Pred weapons, IIRC. But what's not mentioned is that the classic Predator featured in the first two acts uses Predator weaponry, I believe. He raids Project Stargazer's storehouse of stolen Predator tech and arms himself.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 19, 2017, 07:19:19 PM
Ah, NOW I get it what you guys meant by "acknowledged", it's just Shane's script writing. It's not literally acknowledged in-universe, but in-script.
Right.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 02:52:21 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 20, 2017, 12:28:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2017, 08:17:28 AM
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others.
So it's OK for Speedy to fawn all over the script, but it's not OK for others to be critical of it?
I said from my very first post in this folder that this movie will divide the fanbase in a major way a la Iron Man 3, and that it won't be for everyone, that people will either love it or hate it. I also said I love it. I don't apologize for that, but I've also never claimed everyone would.
You don't have to agree with me. But spending a month or two calling me a liar, a fraud and finally a shill - even from people who either hadn't even read it at the time or others who haven't read it now - gets tired. I can take it, but don't pretend it's the same thing as reasonable discussion. You can hate the ideas in the story all you like without making it personal.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 19, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
It's true that Spoiler
the defectors use both human and Pred weapons, IIRC. But what's not mentioned is that the classic Predator featured in the first two acts uses Predator weaponry, I believe. He raids Project Stargazer's storehouse of stolen Predator tech and arms himself.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 19, 2017, 07:19:19 PM
Ah, NOW I get it what you guys meant by "acknowledged", it's just Shane's script writing. It's not literally acknowledged in-universe, but in-script.
Right.
But the movie is not going to reach IM3 commercial success.
There will certainly be but not as much as you would like.
There are jungle and forest settings at several key points in the movie, including the opening and final act.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 02:52:21 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 20, 2017, 12:28:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2017, 08:17:28 AM
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others.
So it's OK for Speedy to fawn all over the script, but it's not OK for others to be critical of it?
I said from my very first post in this folder that this movie will divide the fanbase in a major way a la Iron Man 3, and that it won't be for everyone, that people will either love it or hate it. I also said I love it. I don't apologize for that, but I've also never claimed everyone would.
You don't have to agree with me. But spending a month or two calling me a liar, a fraud and finally a shill - even from people who either hadn't even read it at the time or others who haven't read it now - gets tired. I can take it, but don't pretend it's the same thing as reasonable discussion. You can hate the ideas in the story all you like without making it personal.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 19, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Can you recall any mention of new weapons/equipment for the upgraded predator ? Or maybe for the other preds in the movie ?
It's true that Spoiler
the defectors use both human and Pred weapons, IIRC. But what's not mentioned is that the classic Predator featured in the first two acts uses Predator weaponry, I believe. He raids Project Stargazer's storehouse of stolen Predator tech and arms himself.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 19, 2017, 07:19:19 PM
Ah, NOW I get it what you guys meant by "acknowledged", it's just Shane's script writing. It's not literally acknowledged in-universe, but in-script.
Right.
Spoiler
So there's three types of Preds? The one on a random hunt, the ones working with humans and the hybrid? Why is the captured Predator a problem for the hybrid? Isn't the hybrid out to kill the defectors?
Spoiler
There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
Spoiler
There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
Spoiler
Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
LOL some of you are asking too many questions. Sometimes knowing a thing or two is more than enough. I don't wanna know that much before the movie hits theaters.
Quote from: Keith on May 20, 2017, 12:28:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2017, 08:17:28 AM
I'm getting immensely irritated with the toxic attitude in this thread and this board from certain individuals. And yes, it's the vocal ones who have read the script and didn't like it. I don't begrudge you not liking it but I'm getting sick of your attitudes, shit-posting and trying to ruin it for others.
So it's OK for Speedy to fawn all over the script, but it's not OK for others to be critical of it?
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 20, 2017, 12:32:49 AM
He was referring to the attitudes, not disliking the script.
Quote from: Keith on May 20, 2017, 01:02:01 AM
Attitudes? I just see it as people being passionate and having opinions. As long as there's no name calling, I don't see what the problem is.
And if someone doesn't like what a person is saying, they can always use the ignore button.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 20, 2017, 01:22:01 AM
Quote from: Keith on May 20, 2017, 01:02:01 AM
Attitudes? I just see it as people being passionate and having opinions. As long as there's no name calling, I don't see what the problem is.
And if someone doesn't like what a person is saying, they can always use the ignore button.
Some of the posts have bordered on disrespect. There's nothing wrong with being passionate, but no reason to insult someone for enjoying a script. Same goes for people that dislike it.
I agree though, there's always the 'ignore button'.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 02:52:21 AM
You don't have to agree with me. But spending a month or two calling me a liar, a fraud and finally a shill - even from people who either hadn't even read it at the time or others who haven't read it now - gets tired. I can take it, but don't pretend it's the same thing as reasonable discussion. You can hate the ideas in the story all you like without making it personal.
The above says all I need to in regards to the matter. And no, the Ignore button isn't sufficient for an administrator. I care about the overall tone and attitude of this place. And the attitude of folk like yourself and Predator_Spirits are not what I expect of the members of this forum. If anyone feels they're incapable of acting like I expect - like adults - save me the trouble and just go now. It's the last I'm going to say on the matter.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
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There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
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Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
Honestly, I'm not sure. That's only part of the script I was confused by.
He just got lost and was not aware that there is a war between predators and also that people are hospitable race.A true predator who somehow got in this movie. :)
How expendable are the predators in this movie? Do the hybrids die by simple machine gun fire?
Quote from: greygoose on May 20, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
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There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
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Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
The character in question wasn't on Earth at the start of the film. He comes here with a purpose.
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Quote from: greygoose on May 20, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
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There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
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Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
The character in question wasn't on Earth at the start of the film. He comes here with a purpose.
Does it say what purpose?
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You're talking about the Pred that McKenna's team come across at the start right?
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Quote from: greygoose on May 20, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
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There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
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Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
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The Predator gets caught on purpose because it wants stolen technology that was stored at Stargazer back.
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Quote from: greygoose on May 20, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
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There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
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Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
The character in question wasn't on Earth at the start of the film. He comes here with a purpose.
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The Predator gets caught on purpose because it wants stolen technology that was stored at Stargazer back.
So
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the pred McKenna runs into at the start gets caught intentionally to get into stargazer and I'm assuming fails? And that's why the hybrid is sent? Someone needs to just gimme this damn script at this stage
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 11:20:35 PM
Quote from: greygoose on May 20, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
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There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
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Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
The character in question wasn't on Earth at the start of the film. He comes here with a purpose.
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The Predator gets caught on purpose because it wants stolen technology that was stored at Stargazer back.
So
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the pred McKenna runs into at the start gets caught intentionally to get into stargazer and I'm assuming fails? And that's why the hybrid is sent? Someone needs to just gimme this damn script at this stage
I feel ya bro...I would love to read the script
Having read the script myself, I can say I enjoyed it. It's a crazy, fun action pieces. The new ideas for the Predators didn't bother me, but I thought they could use a little more elaboration - the whys and hows of the Predator cold war are a tad vague. The characters were fun, with good banter, and the humor was genuinely funny. Really, the biggest problem I had was the redneck stuff. It goes on much longer than it needed to, and gets a bit too silly, even for this script. I'll admit I got a chuckle out of the Bigfoot line, though.
And about why the defector needs to escape:
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Stargazer is a rogue organization run by Traeger, who wants the Predators and their tech for profit. The other two defectors are working with a different group, run by General Woodhurst. That's another point that could have used elaboration, IMO. The reveal happens very suddenly, late into the script.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
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There is no Predator on a hunt in this movie. There is a defector we see for the first two acts, the Upgrade hybrid hunting him and the two defector Predators seen in the third act.
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Why does the first defector Predator try and escape if he's already on the humans side?
The character in question wasn't on Earth at the start of the film. He comes here with a purpose.
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The Predator gets caught on purpose because it wants stolen technology that was stored at Stargazer back.
So
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the pred McKenna runs into at the start gets caught intentionally to get into stargazer and I'm assuming fails? And that's why the hybrid is sent? Someone needs to just gimme this damn script at this stage
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The hybrid/Upgrade is already on its way.
That's all I'm going to say in terms of hammering on one end of the plot.
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Does Hybrid get a cool Wolf style sent to earth scene?
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Does Hybrid get a cool Wolf style sent to earth scene?
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It opens with the Upgrade hijacking the first classic's ship close to Earth orbit.
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Quote from: greygoose on May 21, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
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Does Hybrid get a cool Wolf style sent to earth scene?
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It opens with the Upgrade hijacking the first classic's ship close to Earth orbit.
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It's actually classic predator stealing the ship.
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Quote from: greygoose on May 21, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
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Does Hybrid get a cool Wolf style sent to earth scene?
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It opens with the Upgrade hijacking the first classic's ship close to Earth orbit.
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It's actually classic predator stealing the ship.
Ah, alright. I was a tad confused about that point.
Quote from: Master on May 21, 2017, 07:48:16 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 21, 2017, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: greygoose on May 21, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
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Does Hybrid get a cool Wolf style sent to earth scene?
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It opens with the Upgrade hijacking the first classic's ship close to Earth orbit.
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It's actually classic predator stealing the ship.
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The ship steals from whom and the scene is described in detail?Show the planet of predators?
To everyone who read the script and without giving too much details, did it mention a scene where the upgrade harvest and inject himself some human DNA with someone's spine ? Or is it just explained in the movie without showing it ? I guess you can give details if it's a random character that gets that treatment, but if it's someone from the main team (the guys in the bus) then I don't want to know
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 21, 2017, 09:37:58 PM
To everyone who read the script and without giving too much details, did it mention a scene where the upgrade harvest and inject himself some human DNA with someone's spine ? Or is it just explained in the movie without showing it ? I guess you can give details if it's a random character that gets that treatment, but if it's someone from the main team (the guys in the bus) then I don't want to know
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No, it never actually shows it. It only talks about it.
Quote from: black on May 21, 2017, 09:03:57 PM
Quote from: Master on May 21, 2017, 07:48:16 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 21, 2017, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: greygoose on May 21, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
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Does Hybrid get a cool Wolf style sent to earth scene?
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It opens with the Upgrade hijacking the first classic's ship close to Earth orbit.
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It's actually classic predator stealing the ship.
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The ship steals from whom and the scene is described in detail?Show the planet of predators?
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It's entry sequence. We see ark ship and mothership. It begins far away from our system and we'll see predator ship getting into hyperspace and into our planet.
Opening sounds cool.
I was wondering... Is it coherent that the first predator who got captured slain the marines at the beginning, but initially wanted to "defect" ? I understand he got his equipment stolen from him and that must piss him off, but it's part of the risk coming on earth in the first place I guess. And maybe his motive change throughout the movie, but if he's going on a killing spree when he escape, (which is likely the case from what I've read), even if it's stargazer men, don't it seem a little counter productive for him and the humans in the long run ? I mean if he really wants to defect, he can't be that deadly without consequences, can he ?
Quote from: Master on May 21, 2017, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: black on May 21, 2017, 09:03:57 PM
Quote from: Master on May 21, 2017, 07:48:16 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 21, 2017, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: greygoose on May 21, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
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Does Hybrid get a cool Wolf style sent to earth scene?
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It opens with the Upgrade hijacking the first classic's ship close to Earth orbit.
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It's actually classic predator stealing the ship.
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The ship steals from whom and the scene is described in detail?Show the planet of predators?
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It's entry sequence. We see ark ship and mothership. It begins far away from our system and we'll see predator ship getting into hyperspace and into our planet.
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And why is it called the ark?Because there is hybrid zoo park inside?What is the point in this?They want to transport their entire ecosystem?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 22, 2017, 02:13:13 PM
I was wondering... Is it coherent that the first predator who got captured slain the marines at the beginning, but initially wanted to "defect" ? I understand he got his equipment stolen from him and that must piss him off, but it's part of the risk coming on earth in the first place I guess. And maybe his motive change throughout the movie, but if he's going on a killing spree when he escape, (which is likely the case from what I've read), even if it's stargazer men, don't it seem a little counter productive for him and the humans in the long run ? I mean if he really wants to defect, he can't be that deadly without consequences, can he ?
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He only kills a handful of armed "bad guys". So as a "good guy" it's allright.The predator even spare the armed girl during the escape.
Ok, there's a clear distinction between good and bad humans. So according to what I've got from that,
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he wants to defect to the "army side" (those who have two predators with them right ?)
, but I can't imagine him asking nicely for his equipment back to mc kenna's kid, more brutally so I guess, and that would cause trouble for his defection to be accepted peacefully maybe ? That's the one point I don't get in the story so far, but maybe it's simply not explained because
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this predator story arc will end... well not very nicely at the hands of the upgrade...
And that's considering this predator knows who the good guys are (mc kenna's side), even if it's mc kenna himself that stole his equipment from him... I don't get that too, but I guess it will be understandable during the movie
Oh, and one more question,
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regarding the upgraded predator mask... Does he have one really ? Because I've read contradictory stuff about this so i'm confused...
ok look, i know i am new here, and nobody here has any idea who the f**k i am in real life,
but can someone do a motherf**ker a solid and pm me a link to this magical mystery movie script that everyone on the planet has seemingly read except for me ???
I think I might read it too. It's not something I usually do but things seem to be heading South fast in the world of AVP.
Ha, i'll take a copy too! Surely there is someone nice enough to spare us a copy
So I finished this off last night and it wasn't as bad as I'd been led to believe. The only stuff that really had me groaning was the re-used dialogue of which I counted 3 or 4. I think the whole Predator conflict has some real potential but the lines between them were a little fuzzy, I thought. Otherwise, it wasn't actually that bad. You can tell it needs some work to clean up certain story aspects but like I've mentioned previously, the draft we've got was nearly 10 months old by the time the film went in front of cameras so hopefully it's been sufficiently tidied.
But yeah, certain fans are just going to hate this purely because it's something really different.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 08:18:24 AM
So I finished this off last night and it wasn't as bad as I'd been led to believe. The only stuff that really had me groaning was the re-used dialogue of which I counted 3 or 4. I think the whole Predator conflict has some real potential but the lines between them were a little fuzzy, I thought. Otherwise, it wasn't actually that bad. You can tell it needs some work to clean up certain story aspects but like I've mentioned previously, the draft we've got was nearly 10 months old by the time the film went in front of cameras so hopefully it's been sufficiently tidied.
But yeah, certain fans are just going to hate this purely because it's something really different.
What about that thing I heard about regarding
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Predators hunting for the DNA in their prey's spines
Quote from: EJA on May 23, 2017, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 08:18:24 AM
So I finished this off last night and it wasn't as bad as I'd been led to believe. The only stuff that really had me groaning was the re-used dialogue of which I counted 3 or 4. I think the whole Predator conflict has some real potential but the lines between them were a little fuzzy, I thought. Otherwise, it wasn't actually that bad. You can tell it needs some work to clean up certain story aspects but like I've mentioned previously, the draft we've got was nearly 10 months old by the time the film went in front of cameras so hopefully it's been sufficiently tidied.
But yeah, certain fans are just going to hate this purely because it's something really different.
What about that thing I heard about regarding
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Predators hunting for the DNA in their prey's spines
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I guess it was confirmed by the leaks, everyone who read it says the same about it, in terms of predator mythos I don't know if it will fit correctly among the stuff we already know (which is not much one must admit), at first I was not fond of this idea, but I try to be open minded and it could be interesting if it's well introduced and executed
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As an expansion of the lore, I don't see anything wrong with. They're making more of the trophy. It's just in the clarity of the line between the standard Predators and the Upgrades who have gone too far. The script makes it perfectly clear that these Upgrades are f**king nuts and not the norm but how far is too far?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:15:46 PM
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As an expansion of the lore, I don't see anything wrong with. They're making more of the trophy. It's just in the clarity of the line between the standard Predators and the Upgrades who have gone too far. The script makes it perfectly clear that these Upgrades are f**king nuts and not the norm but how far is too far?
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Do the normal ones inject DNA into them as well or just the Upgrades?
That's what I'm a little fuzzy on. I could do with a re-read but
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seems to me they both took the spines for the purposes of harvesting the DNA of the strongest, as well as just having a trophy but there's some line that can be crossed.
Just I've only read it the once in 2 sittings so I might not have the full picture yet.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:15:46 PM
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As an expansion of the lore, I don't see anything wrong with. They're making more of the trophy. It's just in the clarity of the line between the standard Predators and the Upgrades who have gone too far. The script makes it perfectly clear that these Upgrades are f**king nuts and not the norm but how far is too far?
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Do the normal ones inject DNA into them as well or just the Upgrades?
I think SpeedyMaxx said something that
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hints that they do take DNA from spines and inject into themselves because somewhere in the plot it is mentioned that human DNA has been found in Predator samples when scientists experimented on them. I assumed he was talking about the classics because one of them was captured and in a lab.
Maybe he can expand on this himself or anyone else who read the script.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:15:46 PM
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As an expansion of the lore, I don't see anything wrong with. They're making more of the trophy. It's just in the clarity of the line between the standard Predators and the Upgrades who have gone too far. The script makes it perfectly clear that these Upgrades are f**king nuts and not the norm but how far is too far?
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I agree with you, it's just that I initially thought the hunt for sport thing was very symbolic/powerful enough... But overall I'm for expanding the universe as long as it is well executed. Regarding the upgrades taking the experiments too far, I agree too, but don't the "normal" predators injects themselves human DNA too since long ago ? Even before they needed to move from their planet ? It's risky in my opinion, it changes the mythos a lot, in a way that it could take away the beauty of this mysterious hunter that kill for the sake of sport by "scientifically" justify his motives
Hello,
I am new and have been looking through this thread for quite some time. I see a lot of back and forth on the look of the predators and so forth. For those who have read the script, can some one talk about some of the weaponry that the humans use. In particular our main group of characters. I am assuming McKenna uses some advance form of sniper rifle? Him being a sniper must come into play at some point?
Thanks again! I love this site and these forums are infinitely better than IMDB.
Will Boyd's character be interesting with some features or simply a faceless hero?
Quote from: black on May 23, 2017, 04:31:45 PM
Will Boyd's character be interesting with some features or simply a faceless hero?
I wonder about this as well. Holbrook is a really good actor so I hope he is more 3 dimensional than what I am hearing.
after seeing covenant, and reading this stuff, my hopes for this wonderful franchise have sunk deep into the mariana trench.
predators injecting human dna? lol. that's beyond stupid.
predators helping or partnering humans in battle? lol, that's even more stupid.
predators riding tanks instead of using cloaking and advanced alien weaponry? it just doesnt stop.
predator hybrids who are huge and have human eyes and want to take over earth? it just got worse.
predator hybrids in war with classic preds because of what? again, let it stop.
predator spider hybrids. oh my effing gawd. i can't take this serious at all.
predator dogs, lots of them. they werne't bad in rodriguez' movie. it just added nothing.
predators talking human language? what the silly fu*k.
and then i haven't gotten into the autistic kid bs.
it's like somebody is purposefully raping the shiz out of the franchize, for fun. incredible.
i had such high hopes with ridley scott on covenant and it was so bad. we were so wrong.
now this?
Quote from: cliffhanger on May 23, 2017, 05:05:07 PM
after seeing covenant, and reading this stuff, my hopes for this wonderful franchise have sunk deep into the mariana trench.
predators injecting human dna? lol. that's beyond stupid.
predators helping or partnering humans in battle? lol, that's even more stupid.
predators riding tanks instead of using cloaking and advanced alien weaponry? it just doesnt stop.
predator hybrids who are huge and have human eyes and want to take over earth? it just got worse.
predator hybrids in war with classic preds because of what? again, let it stop.
predator spider hybrids. oh my effing gawd. i can't take this serious at all.
predator dogs, lots of them. they werne't bad in rodriguez' movie. it just added nothing.
predators talking human language? what the silly fu*k.
and then i haven't gotten into the autistic kid bs.
it's like somebody is purposefully raping the shiz out of the franchize, for fun. incredible.
i had such high hopes with ridley scott on covenant and it was so bad. we were so wrong.
now this?
Your rundown does not hold any weight, I'm afraid. When you butcher a possible plot point and add a "please stop/it just got worse" does not hold any actual criticism. Let's say the original Predator is now being released and you just read the script, you could have easily written this:
Private army of mercenaries sent to do a government job? lol. that's beyond stupid
Soldiers with unrealistic muscle mass in combat? lol, that's even more stupid
A handful of mercenaries kills entire guerrilla army at their own camp? it just doesn't stop
An alien from space kills everyone one by one just for fun and has a cloaking device to be invisible and sees in infrared and is killed by a tree trunk? what the silly f**k?
See?
All those plot points you mentioned and casually just wrote off with a "lol that's stupid" actually has potential to be good and at the very least it's something new in a Predator movie, finally not a rehash of old ideas.
Quote from: overthere on May 23, 2017, 05:16:57 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on May 23, 2017, 05:05:07 PM
after seeing covenant, and reading this stuff, my hopes for this wonderful franchise have sunk deep into the mariana trench.
predators injecting human dna? lol. that's beyond stupid.
predators helping or partnering humans in battle? lol, that's even more stupid.
predators riding tanks instead of using cloaking and advanced alien weaponry? it just doesnt stop.
predator hybrids who are huge and have human eyes and want to take over earth? it just got worse.
predator hybrids in war with classic preds because of what? again, let it stop.
predator spider hybrids. oh my effing gawd. i can't take this serious at all.
predator dogs, lots of them. they werne't bad in rodriguez' movie. it just added nothing.
predators talking human language? what the silly fu*k.
and then i haven't gotten into the autistic kid bs.
it's like somebody is purposefully raping the shiz out of the franchize, for fun. incredible.
i had such high hopes with ridley scott on covenant and it was so bad. we were so wrong.
now this?
Your rundown does not hold any weight, I'm afraid. When you butcher a possible plot point and add a "please stop/it just got worse" does not hold any actual criticism. Let's say the original Predator is now being released and you just read the script, you could have easily written this:
Private army of mercenaries sent to do a government job? lol. that's beyond stupid
Soldiers with unrealistic muscle mass in combat? lol, that's even more stupid
A handful of mercenaries kills entire guerrilla army at their own camp? it just doesn't stop
An alien from space kills everyone one by one just for fun and has a cloaking device to be invisible and sees in infrared and is killed by a tree trunk? what the silly f**k?
See?
All those plot points you mentioned and casually just wrote off with a "lol that's stupid" actually has potential to be good and at the very least it's something new in a Predator movie, finally not a rehash of old ideas.
I agree with you on this, decontextualize something like this is obviously not the best thing to do, but like I said in the past, I get the general concern though... I prefer to stay as open minded as possible, I like Shane Black's work in general and I've read some great stuff too (which could not work if poorly executed, but again, I trust Shane Black for this), so the wait will be long
Quote from: black on May 23, 2017, 04:31:45 PM
Will Boyd's character be interesting with some features or simply a faceless hero?
I'd say the characters, the Loonies, have some good character. They were fun to stick with.
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Quote from: black on May 23, 2017, 04:31:45 PM
Will Boyd's character be interesting with some features or simply a faceless hero?
I'd say the characters, the Loonies, have some good character. They were fun to stick with.
Are they referred to as 'the loonies' in the script?
I'm excited to see Alfie Allen in this.
Also, probably impossible to tell from the script but I hope the big hybrid thing has a greater impact than the likes of JWs mutant dinosaur. The small posion spraying dinosaur from the first film had a greater impact on me in that one scene it was in.
Quote from: Jacku on May 23, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
I'm excited to see Alfie Allen in this.
Also, probably impossible to tell from the script but I hope the big hybrid thing has a greater impact than the likes of JWs mutant dinosaur. The small posion spraying dinosaur from the first film had a greater impact on me in that one scene it was in.
I'm worried about the Hybrid's impact from what I've read. Sounds to me like just created a human looking predator that's bulletproof and super strong. I feel like it's the kind of thing a kindergarten kid would come up with if asked to create a monster
Quote from: Doomofman on May 23, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Quote from: Jacku on May 23, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
I'm excited to see Alfie Allen in this.
Also, probably impossible to tell from the script but I hope the big hybrid thing has a greater impact than the likes of JWs mutant dinosaur. The small posion spraying dinosaur from the first film had a greater impact on me in that one scene it was in.
I'm worried about the Hybrid's impact from what I've read. Sounds to me like just created a human looking predator that's bulletproof and super strong. I feel like it's the kind of thing a kindergarten kid would come up with if asked to create a monster
https://youtu.be/pmfCiZPXFkk?t=49s
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 23, 2017, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 23, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Quote from: Jacku on May 23, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
I'm excited to see Alfie Allen in this.
Also, probably impossible to tell from the script but I hope the big hybrid thing has a greater impact than the likes of JWs mutant dinosaur. The small posion spraying dinosaur from the first film had a greater impact on me in that one scene it was in.
I'm worried about the Hybrid's impact from what I've read. Sounds to me like just created a human looking predator that's bulletproof and super strong. I feel like it's the kind of thing a kindergarten kid would come up with if asked to create a monster
https://youtu.be/pmfCiZPXFkk?t=49s (https://youtu.be/pmfCiZPXFkk?t=49s)
So that's a thing...
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 23, 2017, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 23, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Quote from: Jacku on May 23, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
I'm excited to see Alfie Allen in this.
Also, probably impossible to tell from the script but I hope the big hybrid thing has a greater impact than the likes of JWs mutant dinosaur. The small posion spraying dinosaur from the first film had a greater impact on me in that one scene it was in.
you acid glow?
I'm worried about the Hybrid's impact from what I've read. Sounds to me like just created a human looking predator that's bulletproof and super strong. I feel like it's the kind of thing a kindergarten kid would come up with if asked to create a monster
https://youtu.be/pmfCiZPXFkk?t=49s
I have no problem with a mutated predator, or other predators looking at it as "sacrilege". On paper thought a lot of what I'm seeing you guys talk about comes off as silly and that worries me :-\
Anyone keen to elaborate more on the " loonies "? Do they have a big role, back stories etc
They have a bit of backstory. Here and there in dialogue.
Thanks for taking the heat, Hicks. The lore discussion corresponds to what I know/perceive of the story.
Is there a character in the script that Jake Busey is likely to be playing? He's possibly playing a doctor judging from his latest instagram posts
Do you feel sad when Holbrook's team gets picked off, assuming they do, or is it more like they are cannon fodder?
How is Thomas Jane's character? Finally, I don't know if anyone will answer this but is it in line with the previous Predator movies where everyone save one or two people die or do they opt for a change of pace here where most of the team survive? I wouldn't mind seeing that.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 24, 2017, 12:57:09 PM
Is there a character in the script that Jake Busey is likely to be playing? He's possibly playing a doctor judging from his latest instagram posts
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I was told he's playing Doctor Sean H Colwell.He's the one who gets killed by the main defector during the lab escape scene.
His arm is ripped off and his head too, by the defector.
I guess it was a kind of reference to Peter Keyes's gory fate.
Poor Jake ... and here they also crapped!
Jake should get a death by smartdisc ;D
Spoiler-tag the above.
Quote from: Hollywood on May 24, 2017, 02:56:33 PM
Jake should get a death by smartdisc ;D
They don't want to give us that awesome smart disc anymore, they prefer to show us the shurikens.That's a pity.
I like the shurikens more but thought it'd be a fun nod to Keyes' fate. After thinking twicethough, the less nods the better.
Hey everybody, I'm new to this forum and I've been reading this thread from the beginning. Great info and looking forward to this new Predator movie !
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Quote from: Hollywood on May 24, 2017, 02:56:33 PM
Jake should get a death by smartdisc ;D
They don't want to give us that awesome smart disc anymore, they prefer to show us the shurikens.That's a pity.
To those who read the script, I've read before about "projectile arrows" being carried by the Upgrade. Are you referring to this when you say "shurikens" or is it another weapon ? The smart disc was indeed awesome !
Thanks !
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 08:18:24 AM
So I finished this off last night and it wasn't as bad as I'd been led to believe. The only stuff that really had me groaning was the re-used dialogue of which I counted 3 or 4. I think the whole Predator conflict has some real potential but the lines between them were a little fuzzy, I thought. Otherwise, it wasn't actually that bad. You can tell it needs some work to clean up certain story aspects but like I've mentioned previously, the draft we've got was nearly 10 months old by the time the film went in front of cameras so hopefully it's been sufficiently tidied.
But yeah, certain fans are just going to hate this purely because it's something really different.
Can you enlight me on something please ?
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Regarding the upgrade predator in this movie... Does he have a mask or not ? Because I struggle to find confirmation that he have one
Was thinking about the story last night and couldn't get something straight in my head so hopefully somebody can set me straight
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There are 4 preds total right? The Hybrid, the pred that McKenna faces at the beginning and the two at the military base, am I correct?
The bit that's got me confused is what happens between the hybrid and the first regular pred at the start. The way I saw it mentioned on here is that the regpred steals some tech from the hybrid and then escapes to earth. If that's the case, why does he allow him self to be captured by the humans? Because I thought that was to steal tech back from the humans
Does the regpred at the start steal tech from the hybrid, come to earth, immediatly lose that tech and then have to get himself captured to steal it back?
Oh and one other thing, which I'm not entirely sure I just hallucinated or something
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Is there some mention of the preds dreadlocks being something other than hair? I dunno where I got the idea of there being some sort of tech in them.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 26, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
Was thinking about the story last night and couldn't get something straight in my head so hopefully somebody can set me straight
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There are 4 preds total right? The Hybrid, the pred that McKenna faces at the beginning and the two at the military base, am I correct?
The bit that's got me confused is what happens between the hybrid and the first regular pred at the start. The way I saw it mentioned on here is that the regpred steals some tech from the hybrid and then escapes to earth. If that's the case, why does he allow him self to be captured by the humans? Because I thought that was to steal tech back from the humans
Does the regpred at the start steal tech from the hybrid, come to earth, immediatly lose that tech and then have to get himself captured to steal it back?
Oh and one other thing, which I'm not entirely sure I just hallucinated or something
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Is there some mention of the preds dreadlocks being something other than hair? I dunno where I got the idea of there being some sort of tech in them.
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There are 4 Preds and undisclosed ammount of verious freakish predator hybrids. First one steals not some tech but whole ship with freakish hybrids aboard in stasis and some form of genetic matrix to create/mutate hybrids. He is captured cause he is unconcious.
There is something to the dreads but I'm not gonna discuss it. Simply because I feel I've spilled way too many specifics already.
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The classic Predator in the first two acts is injured in his crash. But he allows himself to be captured by Stargazer in order to re-arm with their cache of Predator weaponry, hunt down his equipment which McKenna appropriated, and, IIRC, destroy the other hybrids which (again, IIRC, it's been awhile since I read it) are onboard the ark-ship he hijacked, in cryosleep.
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The first act of the film introducing the Pred hijacking the hybrid sounds pretty epic tbf!
Quote from: Doomofman on May 26, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
Oh and one other thing, which I'm not entirely sure I just hallucinated or something
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Is there some mention of the preds dreadlocks being something other than hair? I dunno where I got the idea of there being some sort of tech in them.
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The Girl slices the dreads of the 10 feet tall Hybrid at one point, wich makes it disoriented.They find this out when some guys touch and grab the pred-dog hybrid's dreads earlier in the movie.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 26, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 26, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
Oh and one other thing, which I'm not entirely sure I just hallucinated or something
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Is there some mention of the preds dreadlocks being something other than hair? I dunno where I got the idea of there being some sort of tech in them.
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The Girl slices the dreads of the 10 feet tall Hybrid at one point, wich makes it disoriented.They find this out when some guys touch and grab the pred-dog hybrid's dreads earlier in the movie.
So
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The dreads are whiskers?
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Sensory organs of some variety.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 26, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
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Sensory organs of some variety.
I really don't like that
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Why does it have to be anything other than hair? Aren't they alien enough as it is?
I have a quick question about the pred tech in the lab. Is any of it from P2? Are we going to see city hunters spear, mask, arm, etc?
Quote from: Nihil on May 26, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
I have a quick question about the pred tech in the lab. Is any of it from P2? Are we going to see city hunters spear, mask, arm, etc?
I wouldn't be shocked. I can't recall if anything is specified.
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There is mentioned scorched battle mask, possibly the one from Predator.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 26, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
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Sensory organs of some variety.
I love that, I always imagined them as such.
Also Jeff VanderMeer who wrote South China Sea thought the same during that Q and A that the forum had with him. He imagined
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them to help with balance and act as some type of sensory organs. So seeing as how Happy-Pred mentioned that the Upgrade gets disoriented, it corroborates Jeff's thoughts and makes it official.
Also in one of the older comics "Strange Roux" I think, a Predator's dreads bled when sliced. I hope we see something like that in the film.
I quite liked this script.
A ton of action, a ton of badass predators, lots of charismatic characters..
a constantly surprising plot... some wonderful moments of creative violence.
And i have to give it props for being even crazier than Predator2.
The plot gets a bit too confusing towards the end with crazy reveal on top of crazy reveal...
and Dutch's cameo is just a couple of thankless lines to set up a sequel...
Hopefully all the rewrites have cleaned these nitpicks.
Larry Fong will probably shoot the hell out of the action in this.
..and right now I just hope Silvestri comes back to score this one.
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 08:40:02 PM
I quite liked this script.
A ton of action, a ton of badass predators, lots of charismatic characters..
a constantly surprising plot... some wonderful moments of creative violence.
And i have to give it props for being even crazier than Predator2.
The plot gets a bit too confusing towards the end with crazy reveal on top of crazy reveal...
and Dutch's cameo is just a couple of thankless lines to set up a sequel...
Hopefully all the rewrites have cleaned these nitpicks.
Larry Fong will probably shoot the hell out of the action in this.
..and right now I just hope Silvestri comes back to score this one.
What did you think about the political agenda ?
Oh, lord. What political agenda?
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
So I guess you're gonna love this parody.I meant, movie.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 26, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
So I guess you're gonna love this parody.I meant, movie.
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 26, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
So I guess you're gonna love this parody.I meant, movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Predator_Spirit has shed enough salt about this movie to fill oceans. :laugh:
I actually would like to read this script. While some ideas are abominable, some seem creative and interesting, enough for me to keep my eye on this.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 26, 2017, 11:59:34 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 26, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
So I guess you're gonna love this parody.I meant, movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Predator_Spirit has shed enough salt about this movie to fill oceans. :laugh:
I Will have the last laugh :)
I have read somewhere in the forum that the movie will actually have 3 classic predators and one upgraded one. Is here anybody who knows their nicknames in the script? Thanx for the answer.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 28, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 26, 2017, 11:59:34 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 26, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
So I guess you're gonna love this parody.I meant, movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Predator_Spirit has shed enough salt about this movie to fill oceans. :laugh:
I Will have the last laugh :)
Keep telling yourself that if it helps you cope. :)
Quote from: David on May 28, 2017, 12:38:17 PM
I have read somewhere in the forum that the movie will actually have 3 classic predators and one upgraded one. Is here anybody who knows their nicknames in the script? Thanx for the answer.
They didn't really have any nicknames. Not that I remember, anyway.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 28, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 26, 2017, 11:59:34 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 26, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
So I guess you're gonna love this parody.I meant, movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Predator_Spirit has shed enough salt about this movie to fill oceans. :laugh:
I Will have the last laugh :)
Your post reminded me of this.
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-10-2013/exNYAd.gif)
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 28, 2017, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 28, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 26, 2017, 11:59:34 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on May 26, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
So I guess you're gonna love this parody.I meant, movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Predator_Spirit has shed enough salt about this movie to fill oceans. :laugh:
I Will have the last laugh :)
Your post reminded me of this.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-10-2013/exNYAd.gif
Yes, as he self destructs if the film turns out great. :laugh:
Enough guys.
Predator_Spirit,
My post was simply to acknowledge how your post reminded me of the end of Predator. That's all. :)
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 28, 2017, 09:28:42 PM
Predator_Spirit,
My post was simply to acknowledge how post reminded me of the end of Predator. That's all. :)
It reminded me of that too hence my response. :P
I think he is taking it way too seriously personally. It's really just a movie and he should relax. There's always other things to enjoy.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 28, 2017, 07:34:14 PM
Yes, as he self destructs if the film turns out great. :laugh:
HA!
I don't mind the script except the part about collecting DNA & injecting them into the Predator's body. What in da f**k is that? First ALIEN & now Predator both getting f**ked up by people who were involved in the original movies. Ironic...
I think the bioengineering predators should be sent off to that planet in Predators so the pure bloods can hunt these f**kers down for their abominable crimes.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 28, 2017, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 28, 2017, 09:28:42 PM
Predator_Spirit,
My post was simply to acknowledge how post reminded me of the end of Predator. That's all. :)
It reminded me of that too hence my response. :P
I think he is taking it way too seriously personally. It's really just a movie and he should relax. There's always other things to enjoy.
Oh, I know. :)
I didn't want him to think I was attacking him was all.
Quote from: Doomofman on May 26, 2017, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 26, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
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Sensory organs of some variety.
I really don't like that
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Why does it have to be anything other than hair? Aren't they alien enough as it is?
Sensors? Wtf. If they're sensors they shouldn't be on the god damned back of the head. What kind of dumb evolution is that? Unless the Predator can contort his neck 180 degrees or some other crazy shit this is insane. I get it. We gotta innovate and make something new but at the expense of the Predator's foundations? Hell no!
Quote from: Spirit of Fire on May 29, 2017, 12:53:05 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on May 26, 2017, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 26, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
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Sensory organs of some variety.
I really don't like that
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Why does it have to be anything other than hair? Aren't they alien enough as it is?
Sensors? Wtf. If they're sensors they shouldn't be on the god damned back of the head. What kind of dumb evolution is that? Unless the Predator can contort his neck 180 degrees or some other crazy shit this is insane. I get it. We gotta innovate and make something new but at the expense of the Predator's foundations? Hell no!
I remember in the "Ask Jeff" thread, someone asked the author of South China Sea about the dreadlocks and he speculated that it might be some kind of sensory organ that helps them determine which way's down.
When you think about it, the dreads hang down wherever gravity pulls. Seeing as how the Predators spend a lot of time climbing things or on high ground, it'd help them to know which way's down due to their vision being different than ours. Say they're scaling some ceiling, they'll know their dreads are now pointing straight ahead rather than resting across their shoulders.
We have something similar inside of our ears, I don't know the exact name but it's this very hollow bone like thing with water inside, wherever the water points down, it helps our body determine which way's down.
Quote from: Spirit of Fire on May 29, 2017, 12:48:25 AM
I don't mind the script except the part about collecting DNA & injecting them into the Predator's body. What in da f**k is that? First ALIEN & now Predator both getting f**ked up by people who were involved in the original movies. Ironic...
I think the bioengineering predators should be sent off to that planet in Predators so the pure bloods can hunt these f**kers down for their abominable crimes.
I get what you mean man
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I mean predators collecting spines from their victims not for trophy but to suck the spinal juice and mash the human DNA with theirs? That's such a f**kin blow to the predator mythos.It takes away from their nature, turns their actions in a whole other wrong direction. What a piss poor plot device
Looks as though the film is going to follow the script from page 1.
As a huge fan of the original movie, I have to admit, I am skeptical. I thought Black would restore some prestige to the franchise given his connection to it.
That said, I'll give it a chance.
However, I dislike the rumoured autistic/boy wonder/child genius angle of the kid's character immensely.
Firstly, I don't think the film lends itself well to child actors and think it's a bit of a clichéd trope to give the child some foothold.
Secondly, if you are going to go down the route of involving a child, I think given the nature of the Predator and the fact that Black loves a good kidnapping in his films; then I would've liked to have seen the child kidnapped by the Pred and used as bait to draw out the protagonist. It might have been the more obvious choice, granted; but done well it could've been very good.
It just feels like it's going to be "superkid saves the day w/mind science coz autism" and it's just a bit of a cop out, TBH.
Quote from: skhellter on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
er...
the scripts weird scenes with redneck kids carrying guns as if it's the most normal thing in the world? (near parody if it wasnt so "real")
Casey's (liberal) digs against straight white males, patriarchy and macho bullshit?
All the stuff about Climate Change and our planet being in danger?
f**king spot on, all of it. ;D
Just keeps getting better...
Climate change is still just a political agenda in 2017. Got it.
i hope there's a line in the film about climate change being an invention of the Chinese.
:D
Would someone mind PM'ing me the script as well? I have a rare early draft of Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton, or other scripts to trade if you're interested. Thanks. :)
Quote from: Captain Salt on Jun 03, 2017, 09:42:02 PM
Would someone mind PM'ing me the script as well? I have a rare early draft of Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton, or other scripts to trade if you're interested. Thanks. :)
All afraid!!!
Quote from: black on Jun 03, 2017, 10:53:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Salt on Jun 03, 2017, 09:42:02 PM
Would someone mind PM'ing me the script as well? I have a rare early draft of Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton, or other scripts to trade if you're interested. Thanks. :)
All afraid!!!
Come again?
Everyone is afraid to spread it. I would also like to read it, but one "please" is not enough.
From what I understand the file has only been shared between people and not posted on a website anywhere, it contains watermarks or other information that identifies who it comes from so people don't want to share it in case they share it with the wrong person and get the original owner of the script into trouble...
It's understandable tbh
Ah...got it. I guess it makes sense people don't want to risk getting the original provider in trouble.
Quote from: Captain Salt on Jun 03, 2017, 11:37:59 PM
Ah...got it. I guess it makes sense people don't want to risk getting the original provider in trouble.
Exactly. While most of us who want to read the script only want to because we're fans, there's always the chance someone could come on here from the studio etc to try and find out who leaked it, so it makes sense to not take that risk.
Quote from: Doomofman on Jun 03, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: Captain Salt on Jun 03, 2017, 11:37:59 PM
Ah...got it. I guess it makes sense people don't want to risk getting the original provider in trouble.
Exactly. While most of us who want to read the script only want to because we're fans, there's always the chance someone could come on here from the studio etc to try and find out who leaked it, so it makes sense to not take that risk.
Indeed.
Not to mention that sharing it with the wrong person could get it leaked all over the internet and on websites.
I just read something about the predator played by Kyle Strauts
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it said he was listed as "Emmisary" on IMDB
...
Do you have a link?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 04, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Do you have a link?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3829266/fullcredits/(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170604/f8e4f5dfc0125dcad2104c840668962b.png)
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 04, 2017, 03:29:01 PM
I just read something about the predator played by Kyle Strauts Spoiler
it said he was listed as "Emmisary" on IMDB
emissary
ˈɛmɪs(ə)ri/
noun
a person sent as a diplomatic representative on a special mission.
synonyms: envoy, ambassador, diplomat, delegate, attaché, legate, consul, plenipotentiary, minister;
Quote from: ThePredatorUK on Jun 04, 2017, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 04, 2017, 03:29:01 PM
I just read something about the predator played by Kyle Strauts Spoiler
it said he was listed as "Emmisary" on IMDB
emissary
ˈɛmɪs(ə)ri/
noun
a person sent as a diplomatic representative on a special mission.
synonyms: envoy, ambassador, diplomat, delegate, attaché, legate, consul, plenipotentiary, minister;
Maybe an Emmisary Predator?
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I'm guessing the 2 that have been living on earth at that base are Emmisary Preds
Quote from: ThePredatorUK on Jun 04, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
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I'm guessing the 2 that have been living on earth at that base are Emmisary Preds
Ahh...That makes sense
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Emissary... oh crap, the Predator is really Benjamin Sisko. :laugh:
Yeah I guess it ties in with what we know from the script so far,
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some predators wanting to invest our planet but with different methods, some want to invade us in some way (the upgrades) and others want to "negotiate" with human in order to get rid of the same upgrades...
Quote from: black on Jun 03, 2017, 11:23:06 PM
Everyone is afraid to spread it. I would also like to read it, but one "please" is not enough.
Having the least amount of people read it is best practice at this point.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 04, 2017, 10:53:27 PM
Yeah I guess it ties in with what we know from the script so far, Spoiler
some predators wanting to invest our planet but with different methods, some want to invade us in some way (the upgrades) and others want to "negotiate" with human in order to get rid of the same upgrades...
what? that is really the story of this movie? jeez
That's just the tip of iceberg.
I summarize what I've read of course, but it's basically in the movie yes, the thing is how they are going to introduce us to this story during the movie, and how they will make it fit in the predator universe... Complicated indeed, but not impossible I think, to be fair, it's an euphemism to say that it will require a very open mind to accept all of this new stuff
I was wondering if
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the upgrade will have a lot of screen time, regarding what we know from the script, it looks like he will be present mostly in the last act of the movie... Maybe we'll have scenes with him in the opening, and at some point before his arrival to earth when the kid messes with the equipment (I believe it interferes with his ship or something like that right ?), but it looks like it will be short scenes, his real presence will be felt in the last act. I don't know if it's good or bad, but he's kind of the "new" attraction in this movie, and making him appear towards the end seem kinda weird
And if someone could enlight me on something please...
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Do the upgrade f**k up some humans in the script ? Because from what I've read it seems that he's only here to destroy the classic predators... I know i'm asking much, but please don't give any names regarding characters death, I just want to know if he will be tearing people apart.
Not to jump to conclusions - but this movie will blow. The more I read this thread the more I wish I hadn't.
Quote from: Deadmeat on Jun 12, 2017, 12:20:42 PM
Not to jump to conclusions - but this movie will blow. The more I read this thread the more I wish I hadn't.
Same here. I'm a huge Predator fan. I love the first and second movie and I really appreciate Antal's Predators.
But this... everything I've read so far... god... it's horrible.
Still keeping my fingers cross until I see the first trailer.
The presence of F-22 in the third act was confirmed by imdb.
Do you think F-22 Raptor???
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 04, 2017, 10:53:27 PM
Yeah I guess it ties in with what we know from the script so far, Spoiler
some predators wanting to invest our planet but with different methods, some want to invade us in some way (the upgrades) and others want to "negotiate" with human in order to get rid of the same upgrades...
I like this. This sounds real interesting and unique to the Predator franchise. I'm a little tired of the Predator Hunts/ One Lone Survivor/ Predator gets cocky and dies/
Hero Preds sound rad.
Invest in our planet? Are we selling them shares now?
Yep, I heard they were interested in Starbucks especially, crazy ass cafeine addicts alien f**kers !
Quote from: happypred on Jun 20, 2017, 04:56:50 PM
Invest in our planet? Are we selling them shares now?
I actually think that this direction would be interesting and do away with a few plotholes. I mean, the Upgrades could want to invade Earth to do some intergalactic trade with a non-militant race in order to gain access to more gene-mod technology.
Or the Upgrades just work for Frieza... :P
I think this sounds great, if they were doing a tv series. I like the idea of world building and expanding what we know about the Predator side of these movies. There's a whole lot to explore about them as all previous movies have only skimmed the surface. But you need more than 1.5 hours to accomplish that. From everything I've read and seen posted, they are trying to shoe horn in way too many concepts in one movie.
It's the same problem every other movie has when they are more interested in creating or rebooting a franchise than delivering a great stand alone film.
As a fan, I don't care for what I've read so far. I'm still going to watch it, but probably when it hits Netflix instead of in theater. I would have hoped they were more interested in making a movie than creating some series to compete with other production companies.
I'm open minded about the details I've read. Basically, I'm just really grateful we're getting another Predator film.
One question though,
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Do the heroic Predators survive the film?
One question became interesting. How did they shoot the Cuban or Mexican jungle from the entry in Vancouver? I certainly understand that it can be done in the pavilion but would like nature and maybe the intro will be different at all?
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
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None of them
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bah I can't stand predators all dying in their own damn movies
I know what you mean.
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The Aliens dying isn't that much of a big deal because they're more like wildlife. But it's different with a Predator. I'd love to see a film like the Concrete Jungle video game where the Pred kills his foe and ends the film alive, victorious. But it's probably never going to happen.
Quote from: Huntsman on Jul 01, 2017, 03:31:19 AM
I know what you mean.
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The Aliens dying isn't that much of a big deal because they're more like wildlife. But it's different with a Predator. I'd love to see a film like the Concrete Jungle video game where the Pred kills his foe and ends the film alive, victorious. But it's probably never going to happen.
Or even have
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a Predator like these that has teamed up with human protagonists and survives after finishing his task. Then he goes on his ship and blasts off into space.
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
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None of them
Back to this,
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Could you reveal how they each die by any chance?
Quote from: Huntsman on Jul 05, 2017, 06:00:10 AM
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
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None of them
Back to this,
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Could you reveal how they each die by any chance?
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First one is literaly ripped in half by BSP... err Hybrid, other two as shoot dead by Hybrid`s ion cannon, IIRC.
Awesome, thanks for the details.
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What happens to Hybrid in the end?
While I am not an overall fan over this script I love the idea of the
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ion cannon.
Any other details on the Predator's tech? Both
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the hybrid's
and the "normal predators'"
I have asked a lot of questions myself about this movie, but never regarding the ending or the fate of any character. I don't mean to offend anyone by asking this, but don't it bother you to know the ending of a movie you are waiting for ? I'm just being curious, really, without any back thinking I swear.
BigDaddyJohn LoL yeah i'm curious too. There's a few spoilerish things worth asking but how these guys can ask too many questions is beyond me. I don't wanna know how each character dies nor do i wanna know how the movie ends. I'm extremely curious about The Hybrid, i don't wanna know how it dies, i just wanna know what it's capable of, how strong and smart the thing really is etc. I don't get why some people keep asking "how this guy dies" and "does this guy make it to the end?". It's just weird.
Let us ask man, there's nothing weird about that. We're all fans here and some of us can't wait to see the film. :)
Mr_H has a video about some third act details from the leaked script.
There still could be a nice surprise and they may have lead us to believe he's not in it, but who knows, no matter what I'm counting down the days to make a day out of it when it releases
I have no doubt that ending would have been changed to fit Arnie. The original draft always gets fixed up / edited ie: Billy and Keyes both survived in the original predator 1 & 2 script.
I'd also like to point out again that that particular draft was nearly a year old by the time filming starting. It certainly sounds like the general backbone of that script remains but we don't know any other revisions.
Original draft was trash. Revisions can only change so much.
thanks for chucking my video in here guys, yeah it is supposedly an old script, however whats interesting about putting the video out there is that there were some comments stating they know this particular part of the script stayed true very close to beginning of production. so id doubt much has changed going off that, if they can be believed of course.
plus, everything else corroborates with what we know of the script.
If they just stay out of
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Florida {sigh}
that seems to be where it gets really weird but, I'm still really excited for another Predator film finally.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Nov 03, 2017, 06:57:11 PM
If they just stay out of Spoiler
Florida {sigh}
Well, as far as I know, there are no palm trees in Vancouver, and they obviously did not shoot in Florida, so it could be a different location in the movie.I think this scene was shot in the pavilion.
I should have mentioned this was from page one lol:
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- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure).
Rereading the original post regarding the script.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Nov 03, 2017, 08:21:59 PM
I should have mentioned this was from page one lol:
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- Closer to the end our heroes find Upgrade's "hidden" ship in Florida (it was stolen from him
by dissident Predator). Soon the ship's owner arives, releases a bunch of hybrids (three-legged
Predators, spider Predators, etc) and they go to attack Area 52 (on foot... go figure).
Yes this part was messy, it's where they really go nuts on the script but who knows, could be fun... Or really weird...
Well, then "Florida" cant be avoided...
I got to the script and it hurts. I'm not the first and not the last ...
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1723770/what-to-expect-from-shane-blacks-the-predator-according-to-edward-james-olmos
Sounds interesting, especially the dynamic between Jane and Key
I hope that somebody will match the names of the characters of PTSD to the actors, but I think that
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Coyle = Thomas, Baxley = Keegan, Flyboy = Augusto, Nettles = Allen
Yeah sounds right. Pretty sure Augusto is flyboy judging from the helicopter tattoo his character has on his forearm
Quote from: black on Nov 11, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
I got to the script and it hurts. I'm not the first and not the last ...
Was there something that you liked ? Or you didn't find anything worth waiting for, any redeeming qualities in the script ?
Sounds like the early screening didn't go to well.
Any info on the early screening?
It's in the temp score thread
Cool thanks
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 12, 2017, 02:31:51 AM
Quote from: black on Nov 11, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
I got to the script and it hurts. I'm not the first and not the last ...
Was there something that you liked ? Or you didn't find anything worth waiting for, any redeeming qualities in the script ?
It's hard to say what I liked about it. Let's say that if you don't think about that it's a predator movie then it would be very good for a summer blockbuster and even more on the wave of "IT" and "Strange Things",it will be a success but what it all leads to ... In my childhood, I fantasized about their
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invasion of our planet
but I didn't think it would ever come true, but now it seems to me that it's a bad idea.I liked the subtext of the film, despite the fact that it is not new either as in the case of the Rodriguez Predators. They try to humanize the franchise, it's good or bad to decide for yourself.
Quote from: black on Nov 15, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
It's hard to say what I liked about it. Let's say that if you don't think about that it's a predator movie then it would be very good for a summer blockbuster and even more on the wave of "IT" and "Strange Things",it will be a success but what it all leads to ... In my childhood, I fantasized about their Spoiler
invasion of our planet
This is it exactly. Reading the script off this site. It will turnout to be a "good" movie, just not a good Predator movie. Instead of using a clown (IT), or Flower faced Lizard (Stranger things), this movie is using Predators for their scary/"fun" monster(s). Don't get me wrong, I like that "funny-kid(s)-with-adult-antagonists-figuring-how-to-stop-the-scary-monster kind of movies/TV series but have ZERO desire to have it be mixed into this franchise (or what's left of it).
The franchise is branching off into something completely different. Good for FOX and Black for recognizing the demographic of movie goers and also the money making "formula" to cook up a "fun" movie. Sh-t with the new trend of this type of genre, AVPR may actually be a good movie now, I'll have to go back and watch it.
Sounds like a great October rental from Red Box.
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 15, 2017, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: black on Nov 15, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
It's hard to say what I liked about it. Let's say that if you don't think about that it's a predator movie then it would be very good for a summer blockbuster and even more on the wave of "IT" and "Strange Things",it will be a success but what it all leads to ... In my childhood, I fantasized about their Spoiler
invasion of our planet
This is it exactly. Reading the script off this site. It will turnout to be a "good" movie, just not a good Predator movie. Instead of using a clown (IT), or Flower faced Lizard (Stranger things), this movie is using Predators for their scary/"fun" monster(s). Don't get me wrong, I like that "funny-kid(s)-with-adult-antagonists-figuring-how-to-stop-the-scary-monster kind of movies/TV series but have ZERO desire to have it be mixed into this franchise (or what's left of it).
The franchise is branching off into something completely different. Good for FOX and Black for recognizing the demographic of movie goers and also the money making "formula" to cook up a "fun" movie. Sh-t with the new trend of this type of genre, AVPR may actually be a good movie now, I'll have to go back and watch it.
Sounds like a great October rental from Red Box.
I think they might just be lucky. They wrote the script before these works.The main thing is that they would make the main accent on the child in the trailer
Not sure if this is the right thread, but apparently its now a horror-comedy:
https://movieweb.com/the-predator-movie-edward-james-olmos-details/
It was posted in the social media thread. I think it's already been said it's got plenty of humour in before, hasn't it?
Edit: Yeah, Sterling K Brown mentioned it was funny earlier this year - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/04/12/predator-will-wicked-sense-humor/
Quote from: black on Nov 15, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 12, 2017, 02:31:51 AM
Quote from: black on Nov 11, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
I got to the script and it hurts. I'm not the first and not the last ...
Was there something that you liked ? Or you didn't find anything worth waiting for, any redeeming qualities in the script ?
It's hard to say what I liked about it. Let's say that if you don't think about that it's a predator movie then it would be very good for a summer blockbuster and even more on the wave of "IT" and "Strange Things",it will be a success but what it all leads to ... In my childhood, I fantasized about their Spoiler
invasion of our planet
I totally know what you and Original Predator feel. I will say this : as a cinephile i'm glad we can maybe have a good/great movie, but as a predator fan i have concern regarding stuff in the script
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(predators in clothes, the invasion aspect)
, but honestly i choose to remain optimistic and i hope they will tune down a bit the most WTF aspects. If they don't, like a said for a while now, we could have a very weird movie, but entertaining nonetheless.
Predator learns the value of Friendship on his Wacky and Zany Adventures with a group of Ragtag Misfits.
Join Predator as he tries to get into shape while working out at Planet Fitness and afterwards stops by Starbucks for a nice beverage.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.du-hd.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2FThe-Predator-Set-1.jpg&hash=b5904a8658ca0c3476a933b18617eae729910b86)
Quote from: cheachea on Nov 20, 2017, 08:38:11 AM
Predator learns the value of Friendship on his Wacky and Zany Adventures with a group of Ragtag Misfits.
Join Predator as he tries to get into shape while working out at Planet Fitness and afterwards stops by Starbucks for a nice beverage.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.du-hd.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2FThe-Predator-Set-1.jpg&hash=b5904a8658ca0c3476a933b18617eae729910b86)
LOL. So true.
The internet has it's benefits but in the case of movies and leaked scripts and forums, and fan sites....
It's hard to go into this movie with an "open" mind knowing what you know ahead of time.
Okay, I haven't read the script but Upgrade sounds ridiculous He's like the Indominus Rex, a character made up by a child to insert into their favorite film.
THE INDOMINUS REX IS LIKE THE TYRANNOSAURUS REX BUT EVEN BIGGER BUT ALSO LIKE A RAPTOR AND ITS GOT SUPER DUPER ARMOR AND IT CAN TURN INVISIBLE AND IT HAS VELOCIRAPTOR FRIENDS AND IT TAKES LIKE A TYRANNOSAURUS REX AND A VELOCIRAPTOR AND AND AND AAANNNNNDDDD A GIANT WATER DINOSAUR TO FIGHT HIM ISN'T IT COOL MOMMY?
THE UPGRADED PREDATOR IS LIKE THE REGULAR PREDATOR BUT EVEN BIGGER BUT ITS ALSO BULLET PROOF AND IT CAN KILL A NORMAL PREDATOR IN LIKE ONE HIT AND ITS GOT A SUPER DUPER ATOMO QUANTOM KABOOMBOOM GUN BUT ITS ALSO GOT A HUMAN FACE AND IT CAN ABSORB DNA TO MUTATE NEW SUPER POWERS ISNT IT COOL MOMMY?
Except the Indominus Rex (I hate that I actually know that thing's name) actually kind of made sense, since the whole stupid plot was like a clumsy allegory for how Studios approach reboots and remakes. Bigger! Louder! More teeth! Except in this case it seems to be done in earnest, which would make the film actually less intelligent than Jurassic World. So, congrats to Black and Dekker if that's the case.
Quote from: Username-Unavailable on Nov 29, 2017, 09:25:56 AM
Okay, I haven't read the script but Upgrade sounds ridiculous He's like the Indominus Rex, a character made up by a child to insert into their favorite film.
THE INDOMINUS REX IS LIKE THE TYRANNOSAURUS REX BUT EVEN BIGGER BUT ALSO LIKE A RAPTOR AND ITS GOT SUPER DUPER ARMOR AND IT CAN TURN INVISIBLE AND IT HAS VELOCIRAPTOR FRIENDS AND IT TAKES LIKE A TYRANNOSAURUS REX AND A VELOCIRAPTOR AND AND AND AAANNNNNDDDD A GIANT WATER DINOSAUR TO FIGHT HIM ISN'T IT COOL MOMMY?
THE UPGRADED PREDATOR IS LIKE THE REGULAR PREDATOR BUT EVEN BIGGER BUT ITS ALSO BULLET PROOF AND IT CAN KILL A NORMAL PREDATOR IN LIKE ONE HIT AND ITS GOT A SUPER DUPER ATOMO QUANTOM KABOOMBOOM GUN BUT ITS ALSO GOT A HUMAN FACE AND IT CAN ABSORB DNA TO MUTATE NEW SUPER POWERS ISNT IT COOL MOMMY?
Except the Indominus Rex (I hate that I actually know that thing's name) actually kind of made sense, since the whole stupid plot was like a clumsy allegory for how Studios approach reboots and remakes. Bigger! Louder! More teeth! Except in this case it seems to be done in earnest, which would make the film actually less intelligent than Jurassic World. So, congrats to Black and Dekker if that's the case.
That's very good insight. I agree and it's done in second film in a row.
Quote from: Username-Unavailable on Nov 29, 2017, 09:25:56 AM
Okay, I haven't read the script but Upgrade sounds ridiculous He's like the Indominus Rex, a character made up by a child to insert into their favorite film.
THE INDOMINUS REX IS LIKE THE TYRANNOSAURUS REX BUT EVEN BIGGER BUT ALSO LIKE A RAPTOR AND ITS GOT SUPER DUPER ARMOR AND IT CAN TURN INVISIBLE AND IT HAS VELOCIRAPTOR FRIENDS AND IT TAKES LIKE A TYRANNOSAURUS REX AND A VELOCIRAPTOR AND AND AND AAANNNNNDDDD A GIANT WATER DINOSAUR TO FIGHT HIM ISN'T IT COOL MOMMY?
THE UPGRADED PREDATOR IS LIKE THE REGULAR PREDATOR BUT EVEN BIGGER BUT ITS ALSO BULLET PROOF AND IT CAN KILL A NORMAL PREDATOR IN LIKE ONE HIT AND ITS GOT A SUPER DUPER ATOMO QUANTOM KABOOMBOOM GUN BUT ITS ALSO GOT A HUMAN FACE AND IT CAN ABSORB DNA TO MUTATE NEW SUPER POWERS ISNT IT COOL MOMMY?
Except the Indominus Rex (I hate that I actually know that thing's name) actually kind of made sense, since the whole stupid plot was like a clumsy allegory for how Studios approach reboots and remakes. Bigger! Louder! More teeth! Except in this case it seems to be done in earnest, which would make the film actually less intelligent than Jurassic World. So, congrats to Black and Dekker if that's the case.
LOL.
Perfect.
I'm generally scared to imagine a predator with a human face and mandibles, and I've already hardly reconciled myself to the Super Predators.
Yeah, I don't know why this stupid thing isn't just a Super Predator. At least the Super Predators kind of have a few fans, some people have warmed up to them since the film's release. It feels like they're ignoring Predators...just to put the exact same stupid thing Predators had in it but somehow even more stupid. Maybe they just want a Predator-Type thing that can fight an Engineer in the comic books since the Engineers are kind of an Alien-Type thing?
It doesn't speak well of this story decisions being made for this movie.
Also the human face things sounds breathtakingly dumb. I hope someone was around to take Black aside one day to tell him "look, you can't do this shit, it's going to be f**king ridiculous" and then made him stand in the corner until he relented.
It`s more of human eyes then face to be precise.
Quote from: Master on Nov 30, 2017, 07:39:43 AM
It`s more of human eyes then face to be precise.
Okay, that's slightly better. I thought Shane was channeling the early versions of the original Predator script when the Predator was revealed to have a human face in a "shocking twist".
I still think, from what I'm seeing described here, that the Upgrade is being massively overdone. Like the part where he
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supposedly rips out a classic Predator's spine and tears another one in half
. It's like the most shallow, simplistic way to establish Upgrade as the new, badass, totally uber awesome antagonist for the film. "You know that Predator from the first movie? Well guess what? He's f**king SHIT compared to our awesome new suped up version of the character! Everything else that came before in this series was totally f**king garbage compared to our awesome new creation! We've saved the Predator franchise, yay!" It's off putting on multiple levels, not just as someone who likes the first two Predator movies (the first one more, obviously) but because it's a plot point that, one again, feels like something the Strauss Brothers would come up with.
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Human eyes were described in script. He kills all Predator with one shot/blow and can withstand plasmacaster shots on bare skin.
Honestly, i think
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a predator with human eyes can be uncanny but in a good way.
It can be unsettling in close shots, which is good.
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom has INDORAPTORSSSS... HAVE FUN!
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 30, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
Honestly, i think Spoiler
a predator with human eyes can be uncanny but in a good way.
It can be unsettling in close shots, which is good.
Watch first AvP, it has exactly that.
Quote from: Master on Nov 30, 2017, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 30, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
Honestly, i think Spoiler
a predator with human eyes can be uncanny but in a good way.
It can be unsettling in close shots, which is good.
Watch first AvP, it has exactly that.
True, but i just hope it will be better.
I sensed genuine love in Scar's gaze
Quote from: happypred on Dec 01, 2017, 11:26:47 AM
I sensed genuine love in Scar's gaze
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'm dying
I have one question. Why does the script mention shurikens if this is an avp theme?
It was more some kind of
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arrows
IIRC right ?
No. It's shurikens.
Quote from: black on Dec 03, 2017, 02:30:13 PM
No. It's shurikens.
I swear to god what i read mentioned some projectile arrowsbut maybe it's a different version.
This is an upgrade. Shurikens are separately mentioned from him.
Quote from: black on Dec 03, 2017, 02:37:19 PM
This is an upgrade. Shurikens are separately mentioned from him.
Yeah i remember
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arrows being part of the upgrade's equipment only
but i don't remember reading about shurikens. I totally believe you did though, i probably just forgot about that ;D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 03, 2017, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: black on Dec 03, 2017, 02:37:19 PM
This is an upgrade. Shurikens are separately mentioned from him.
Yeah i remember Spoiler
arrows being part of the upgrade's equipment only
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page 111
Quote from: black on Dec 03, 2017, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 03, 2017, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: black on Dec 03, 2017, 02:37:19 PM
This is an upgrade. Shurikens are separately mentioned from him.
Yeah i remember Spoiler
arrows being part of the upgrade's equipment only
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page 111
To be honest, i don't have it anymore :laugh:
So if the predators hunt us for our spines for the purposes of extracting DNA, why do they skin us?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 10, 2017, 02:04:40 AM
So if the predators hunt us for our spines for the purposes of extracting DNA, why do they skin us?
Apparently only those who are not worthy of extracting DNA.
I've not had a chance to watch through it yet but from chatting to Mr_H before he posted this it's detailing the leaked draft that was circulated.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGchLolnjA
I've not had a chance to watch through it yet but from chatting to Mr_H before he posted this it's detailing the leaked draft that was circulated.
All this carry on about the script, i really need to read this now. Any chance of anyone sending me a copy..please? Haha
When the film's out I'll share it but not before. Personally, I wish it hadn't been leaked as a lot of opinions are being formed on an unfinished product.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
When the film's out I'll share it but not before. Personally, I wish it hadn't been leaked as a lot of opinions are being formed on an unfinished product.
Thats fair enough. As I've said all along, im excited for this film and cant wait. Im pretty sure nothing will sway my excitement
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Jan 08, 2018, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
When the film's out I'll share it but not before. Personally, I wish it hadn't been leaked as a lot of opinions are being formed on an unfinished product.
Thats fair enough. As I've said all along, im excited for this film and cant wait. Im pretty sure nothing will sway my excitement
Just go to first post and check overview. It's next best thing to script itself and gives good insight in script contents.
Quote from: Master on Jan 08, 2018, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Jan 08, 2018, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
When the film's out I'll share it but not before. Personally, I wish it hadn't been leaked as a lot of opinions are being formed on an unfinished product.
Thats fair enough. As I've said all along, im excited for this film and cant wait. Im pretty sure nothing will sway my excitement
Just go to first post and check overview. It's next best thing to script itself and gives good insight in script contents.
Ive always been more intrigued by the support characters in the Predator movies, so in this case " the loonies " as the synopsis doesn't really go into detail about them. So i guess thats my reasoning for hunting the script. Having recently read the original script for P1 & P2, there were pretty big changes to the finished product so I still don't understand why alot of these people are already writing this film off
I think they are a fun, cool and colorful bunch of dudes honestly. They can really look good in the finished product IMO.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 08, 2018, 10:05:44 PM
I think they are a fun, cool and colorful bunch of dudes honestly. They can really look good in the finished product IMO.
Definitely. Given the actors involved i have high hopes for " the loonies ".
Leaks brought on so much negativity and isn't doing anything good for the community. It's a shame the script got out so early :'(
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGchLolnjA
I've not had a chance to watch through it yet but from chatting to Mr_H before he posted this it's detailing the leaked draft that was circulated.
Wait, so the predators are just hunting us for our DNA so they can inject themselves with it to make themselves stronger? So they're just glorified steroid junkies? I thought they were injecting themselves with DNA so they can adapt to Earth, which is it?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 09, 2018, 02:12:09 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGchLolnjA
I've not had a chance to watch through it yet but from chatting to Mr_H before he posted this it's detailing the leaked draft that was circulated.
Wait, so the predators are just hunting us for our DNA so they can inject themselves with it to make themselves stronger? So they're just glorified steroid junkies? I thought they were injecting themselves with DNA so they can adapt to Earth, which is it?
Yes it was the case in the script, but apparently they watered it down (or even totally suppressed it) in the projection test screening.
It's good if they did because that's a pretty silly idea.
Dreadlock space warrior with crabmouth can be regarded as silly too btw, ask my mom... destroyer of my inner childhood fanboy back in the 80s...
Well, execution is most of everything.
But it doesn't hurt to have a solid idea to start from.
It's a silly idea, to me, because it's another example of trying to humanize an alien creature, or connect them to us in some "deeper" way which is not needed.
The Predators have always hunted us simply because it was fun for them to do so.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 09, 2018, 05:30:42 PM
The Predators have always hunted us simply because it was fun for them to do so.
Which in reality has always made the best "monster/creature/etc..."
"Just because" or "because it can/wants to" is reason enough and makes things that much more creepy.
I've always been a less-is-more guy when it comes to creatures as unique as the Predator. Leave the rest to my own imagination.
No, now everything must be explained.
I doubt people will agree with me but I don't think one idea is really worse than to other (in regards to hunting for sport or hunting for dna) It's like people who hunt endangered species for sport vs people who hunt them for some medicinal purpose, they're both pretty stupid...
It's basically Space Rednecks vs Space Junkies :-\
Edit: I feel I should clarify. I think both ideas are as silly as each other had they been the initial premise set out in the first movie. However, the DNA idea is f**king atrocious when taken in context of the already existing movies. It makes P1 and P2 make no god damn sense. If they need our dna, why hunt us at all? They've got space ships surely it's be way less effort to just abduct people like regular old aliens and have their way with them. It'd be like sending a cancer patient to a jungle to hunt soldiers for their chemotherapy treatment...
Quote from: Doomofman on Jan 09, 2018, 11:38:59 PM
I doubt people will agree with me but I don't think one idea is really worse than to other (in regards to hunting for sport or hunting for dna) It's like people who hunt endangered species for sport vs people who hunt them for some medicinal purpose, they're both pretty stupid...
It's basically Space Rednecks vs Space Junkies :-\
Edit: I feel I should clarify. I think both ideas are as silly as each other had they been the initial premise set out in the first movie. However, the DNA idea is f**king atrocious when taken in context of the already existing movies. It makes P1 and P2 make no god damn sense. If they need our dna, why hunt us at all? They've got space ships surely it's be way less effort to just abduct people like regular old aliens and have their way with them. It'd be like sending a cancer patient to a jungle to hunt soldiers for their chemotherapy treatment...
Because apparently they are still doing it for sport too
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 10, 2018, 01:52:11 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on Jan 09, 2018, 11:38:59 PM
I doubt people will agree with me but I don't think one idea is really worse than to other (in regards to hunting for sport or hunting for dna) It's like people who hunt endangered species for sport vs people who hunt them for some medicinal purpose, they're both pretty stupid...
It's basically Space Rednecks vs Space Junkies :-\
Edit: I feel I should clarify. I think both ideas are as silly as each other had they been the initial premise set out in the first movie. However, the DNA idea is f**king atrocious when taken in context of the already existing movies. It makes P1 and P2 make no god damn sense. If they need our dna, why hunt us at all? They've got space ships surely it's be way less effort to just abduct people like regular old aliens and have their way with them. It'd be like sending a cancer patient to a jungle to hunt soldiers for their chemotherapy treatment...
Because apparently they are still doing it for sport too
I guess it works if the two aren't mutually inclusive... They've always come here for their DNA, maybe they used to just kidnap people and extract their DNA and then the more 'out there' members of their society decided it would be more fun to hunt them..
But I think, and I haven't read the draft so I can't say for sure, that it shows the preds still needing to hunt from the base they're at. I think that's more irritating than the DNA thing, I don't like the idea that they NEED to hunt. If the preds on the base in this movie needed DNA then I'm sure the humans would be more inclined to provide it for them than have the preds go out and get it themselves
Re: DNA and hunting in the test screening -
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The DNA thing is mentioned a whomping twice. The "allied" Predators aren't stationed at the base, they haven't been working with the government. They show up to pretty much fight off the Upgrade.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2018, 10:02:07 AM
Re: DNA and hunting in the test screening -
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The DNA thing is mentioned a whomping twice. The "allied" Predators aren't stationed at the base, they haven't been working with the government. They show up to pretty much fight off the Upgrade.
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That's actually quite a change. Also, any word if one of them really did wear military pants? How was the reaction of them using our weapons? Did people like this?
I remember 1 guy (fanatic of anything from Shame Hack nonetheless) in this discussion going bravado and quoting and correcting people because he already read the script.
Then we he got asked if Jake Busey gonna play the son of his father character in part 2, he said no, he got contraried by other comment and he finally said "not in the draft I read".
So... if you're not even sure of that, what gives you the power to belittling so many users who "didn't read the script".
This forums man... so funny, keep it up guys.
Quote from: Beatnation on Jan 10, 2018, 02:37:55 PM
I remember 1 guy (fanatic of anything from Shame Hack nonetheless) in this discussion going bravado and quoting and correcting people because he already read the script.
Then we he got asked if Jake Busey gonna play the son of his father character in part 2, he said no, he got contraried by other comment and he finally said "not in the draft I read".
So... if you're not even sure of a that, what gives you the power to belittle so many users who "didn't read the script".
This forums man... so funny, keep it up guys.
I think i know who you are referring to, and if i'm guessing right he is not here anymore ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2018, 10:02:07 AM
Re: DNA and hunting in the test screening -
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The DNA thing is mentioned a whomping twice. The "allied" Predators aren't stationed at the base, they haven't been working with the government. They show up to pretty much fight off the Upgrade.
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Hmm... Can you clarify "show up" ? They "show up" as in, something akin to Wolf in AVPR? Show up to deal with the situation? Are they still buddy buddy with humans?
So why are the "good" predators here? What's their beef with upgrade? What's this movie even about?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 10, 2018, 04:26:14 PM
So why are the "good" predators here? What's their beef with upgrade? What's this movie even about?
Might have to actually watch the film to find out.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2018, 10:02:07 AM
Re: DNA and hunting in the test screening -
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The DNA thing is mentioned a whomping twice. The "allied" Predators aren't stationed at the base, they haven't been working with the government. They show up to pretty much fight off the Upgrade.
That sounds like a pretty big shift from the draft... Promising
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 10, 2018, 04:26:14 PM
So why are the "good" predators here? What's their beef with upgrade? What's this movie even about?
That's what i was thinking :laugh:
And talking about the upgrade, did anyone mentioned him after the test screening ? Was it satisfactory ? Weird ?
And who then put on their pants and hockey protection?
Quote from: black on Jan 10, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
And who then put on their pants and hockey protection?
That's a fair question...
Quote from: Doomofman on Jan 10, 2018, 06:00:47 PM
Quote from: black on Jan 10, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
And who then put on their pants and hockey protection?
That's a fair question...
Maybe they
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Were once captured by the government, got stripped off of their equipment and managed to escape and since then were hiding on earth, stealing stuff from killed soldiers. Or they get equipped by the main characters when they show up. I do think they were on earth the entire time though, when they would come to earth just for upgrade, they would sure as hell bring their own weapons
I think they didn't change anything. In the context of this story, it would be better if they lived on the zone and now it turns out that predators are homeless and don't fit into history at all.The script wasn't particularly thought out and now such revelations are out of place.
Quote from: black on Jan 12, 2018, 11:13:43 AM
I think they didn't change anything. In the context of this story, it would be better if they lived on the zone and now it turns out that predators are homeless and don't fit into history at all.The script wasn't particularly thought out and now such revelations are out of place.
No, they are out of place for you, because you/we don't know the story and we can't make sense of it. I bet, when we see the movie, it all comes together nicely.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 12, 2018, 09:35:54 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on Jan 10, 2018, 06:00:47 PM
Quote from: black on Jan 10, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
And who then put on their pants and hockey protection?
That's a fair question...
Maybe they
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Were once captured by the government, got stripped off of their equipment and managed to escape and since then were hiding on earth, stealing stuff from killed soldiers. Or they get equipped by the main characters when they show up. I do think they were on earth the entire time though, when they would come to earth just for upgrade, they would sure as hell bring their own weapons
I like this idea - where it's more due to necessity rather than something randomly thrown in to signify camaraderie or the like.
I just hope the "Average Joe" predators aren't useless against the Upgrade.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2018, 04:10:45 AM
I just hope the "Average Joe" predators aren't useless against the Upgrade.
From what I hear, they are.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 05:14:54 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2018, 04:10:45 AM
I just hope the "Average Joe" predators aren't useless against the Upgrade.
From what I hear, they are.
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They are because the upgrade is too damn strong and overpowering
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 17, 2018, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 05:14:54 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2018, 04:10:45 AM
I just hope the "Average Joe" predators aren't useless against the Upgrade.
From what I hear, they are.
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They are because the upgrade is too damn strong and overpowering
I can't wait to see the backlash from predator fans when they find out it wasn't the predators who got to take out upgrade but
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a little boy and his father. :laugh:
Why would it be anyone other than the protagonists?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 17, 2018, 06:48:57 PM
Why would it be anyone other than the protagonists?
True, don't have any problem with that honestly, it's what you somewhat expect from a movie like that, no ?
Mr. H, the guy who made that video posted earlier, is one of those obsessive Predator fans who think predators need to be portrayed as unstoppable badasses who can beat anyone and anything. He actually wants the predators to survive a movie. As if the predators are supposed to be characters we can root for. Instead of vile monsters we're supposed to root against. And there are plenty of predator fans who think like him. Just look at Wolf's fanbase. The kind of fans who lose their shit everytime a filmmaker doesn't treat the predator like a superhero. Remember the backlash of the Classic vs Beserker fight in Predators?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 17, 2018, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 05:14:54 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2018, 04:10:45 AM
I just hope the "Average Joe" predators aren't useless against the Upgrade.
From what I hear, they are.
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They are because the upgrade is too damn strong and overpowering
Because bad writing.
Shane Black isn't a bad writer. And "muh yautja" isn't an argument.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 17, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
Shane Black isn't a bad writer. And "muh yautja" isn't an argument.
Yeah it isn't
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Killing all preds with one blow, just to show how powerfull their new freak is, is the very bad writing.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Mr. H, the guy who made that video posted earlier, is one of those obsessive Predator fans who think predators need to be portrayed as unstoppable badasses who can beat anyone and anything. He actually wants the predators to survive a movie. As if the predators are supposed to be characters we can root for. Instead of vile monsters we're supposed to root against. And there are plenty of predator fans who think like him. Just look at Wolf's fanbase. The kind of fans who lose their shit everytime a filmmaker doesn't treat the predator like a superhero. Remember the backlash of the Classic vs Beserker fight in Predators?
The thing is there is already an "unstoppable badass" pred in this movie, trust me :laugh:
Quote from: Master on Jan 17, 2018, 08:01:33 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 17, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
Shane Black isn't a bad writer. And "muh yautja" isn't an argument.
Yeah it isn't
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Killing all preds with one blow, just to show how powerfull their new freak is, is the very bad writing.
Worked for Worf in TNG. :laugh:
And it's hardly in the league of killing a child because you're too lazy to figure out what to do with them. ;)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 17, 2018, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Mr. H, the guy who made that video posted earlier, is one of those obsessive Predator fans who think predators need to be portrayed as unstoppable badasses who can beat anyone and anything. He actually wants the predators to survive a movie. As if the predators are supposed to be characters we can root for. Instead of vile monsters we're supposed to root against. And there are plenty of predator fans who think like him. Just look at Wolf's fanbase. The kind of fans who lose their shit everytime a filmmaker doesn't treat the predator like a superhero. Remember the backlash of the Classic vs Beserker fight in Predators?
The thing is there is already an "unstoppable badass" pred in this movie, trust me :laugh:
You mean the upgrade? He dies at the end, right?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 09:14:51 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 17, 2018, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Mr. H, the guy who made that video posted earlier, is one of those obsessive Predator fans who think predators need to be portrayed as unstoppable badasses who can beat anyone and anything. He actually wants the predators to survive a movie. As if the predators are supposed to be characters we can root for. Instead of vile monsters we're supposed to root against. And there are plenty of predator fans who think like him. Just look at Wolf's fanbase. The kind of fans who lose their shit everytime a filmmaker doesn't treat the predator like a superhero. Remember the backlash of the Classic vs Beserker fight in Predators?
The thing is there is already an "unstoppable badass" pred in this movie, trust me :laugh:
You mean the upgrade? He dies at the end, right?
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Yes, but he is presented as unstoppable and is a f**king beast, that's what i meant. There is no such thing as litterally invincible, Wolf died too and is adored by many for being a badass beast.
But most fans won't consider him a "true" predator. Just like some fans hate the "super" predators for outshining the Classic predators.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 17, 2018, 09:56:52 PM
But most fans won't consider him a "true" predator. Just like some fans hate the "super" predators for outshining the Classic predators.
Yeah you're right. But it's part of a bigger problem : how do you portray a "true" predator ?
One that is only hunting ? Because this won't be the case in the upcoming movie, and it will be a memorable outcry for those who want to see that...
And just to talk about people who want to root for a predator,
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i think they could do that with this movie, i found myself personnally rooting quite a bit for the first pred that crashes in the jungle
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 17, 2018, 10:04:03 PM
And just to talk about people who want to root for a predator, Spoiler
i think they could do that with this movie, i found myself personnally rooting quite a bit for the first pred that crashes in the jungle
Why is that?
As to the idea of depicting the Predators in the right light, well, for one it is always bad form to use the old big bad to make your new big bad look biggerer and badderer. With few exceptions, this almost always alienates fans.
Two, the problem with the Predator franchises is that the first film did a really good job of making Dutch and his team a group of really likable, macho, charismatic guys. This made the Predator seem even more imposing, if even these guys barely stand any kind of a chance, then anyone else is in real trouble. So you're not rooting for this invisible killer, you're rooting for the guys you've gotten to know for the first 40 minutes of screen time.
Predator 2, things get a little shaky, because most of the Predator's body count is either criminals or antagonistic government agents. (The El Scorpio guys, the Colombian drug lord guys, the faceless commuters, and the O.W.L.F. capture team.). So what happens when you're watching the Monster slaughter people you don't really like or care for? Your interest as an audience member is going to fall back to the creature and the interesting stuff it's doing, and the spectacle. Predator 2 has some great "stuff" but most of the body count is inherently disposable. It turns focus to the Predator as much more of a Jason Vorhees slasher where the fun is derived from watching it slaughter people.
Then you get to AVP, between the Alien and the Predator the only one we have any chance of communicating with on the same level if the Predator. Scar is the anti-hero of the story. He's still shown gutting humans like nobody's business, but he's also Alexa's only hope.
Then you have Predators, which communicated the aforementioned sin of making the "old" Predators look not-so-great by having the ever-so-awesome super-duper-over-hyped predators literally decapitating them mortal combat style.
Personally, I think, what the series needs is a back-to-basics approach. Or continuing on the very narrow thread left by Predator 2 of humans trying to turn-the-tables on the Predator species. The macro-story of the entire franchise; Hunted becoming Hunter.
And that was an entirely geniuns analysis Open Maw. That's nailed the issue entirey for me. Great work, man!
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 18, 2018, 07:59:34 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 17, 2018, 10:04:03 PM
And just to talk about people who want to root for a predator, Spoiler
i think they could do that with this movie, i found myself personnally rooting quite a bit for the first pred that crashes in the jungle
Why is that?
As to the idea of depicting the Predators in the right light, well, for one it is always bad form to use the old big bad to make your new big bad look biggerer and badderer. With few exceptions, this almost always alienates fans.
Two, the problem with the Predator franchises is that the first film did a really good job of making Dutch and his team a group of really likable, macho, charismatic guys. This made the Predator seem even more imposing, if even these guys barely stand any kind of a chance, then anyone else is in real trouble. So you're not rooting for this invisible killer, you're rooting for the guys you've gotten to know for the first 40 minutes of screen time.
Predator 2, things get a little shaky, because most of the Predator's body count is either criminals or antagonistic government agents. (The El Scorpio guys, the Colombian drug lord guys, the faceless commuters, and the O.W.L.F. capture team.). So what happens when you're watching the Monster slaughter people you don't really like or care for? Your interest as an audience member is going to fall back to the creature and the interesting stuff it's doing, and the spectacle. Predator 2 has some great "stuff" but most of the body count is inherently disposable. It turns focus to the Predator as much more of a Jason Vorhees slasher where the fun is derived from watching it slaughter people.
Then you get to AVP, between the Alien and the Predator the only one we have any chance of communicating with on the same level if the Predator. Scar is the anti-hero of the story. He's still shown gutting humans like nobody's business, but he's also Alexa's only hope.
Then you have Predators, which communicated the aforementioned sin of making the "old" Predators look not-so-great by having the ever-so-awesome super-duper-over-hyped predators literally decapitating them mortal combat style.
Personally, I think, what the series needs is a back-to-basics approach. Or continuing on the very narrow thread left by Predator 2 of humans trying to turn-the-tables on the Predator species. The macro-story of the entire franchise; Hunted becoming Hunter.
Yeah, then again i must agree with you entirely, damn :laugh:. But before answering your question about my empathy for the pred in the upcoming movie, i need to know what you know from the script, so that i don't spoil you ;)
So I have yet to read the script but I notice the general consensus seems to be highly negative with many calling Black's script "shit". Black is one of my favorite writers and he's never written a bad script in my eyes, so I don't imagine he starts now with 'The Predator'. Is this script objectively terrible as a film or is it just pissing off hardcore Predator fans? I'm really just here to see a well made film and I'm not one to get autistic about the canon stuff.
Quote from: salomonj on Jan 18, 2018, 03:15:12 PM
So I have yet to read the script but I notice the general consensus seems to be highly negative with many calling Black's script "shit". Black is one of my favorite writers and he's never written a bad script in my eyes, so I don't imagine he starts now with 'The Predator'. Is this script objectively terrible as a film or is it just pissing off hardcore Predator fans? I'm really just here to see a well made film and I'm not one to get autistic about the canon stuff.
I'd say more pissing off hardcore fans :laugh: Personally i don't consider it a bad script at all, and i consider myself a hardcore fan, but like most scripts it has some flaws and some great stuff too. I saw really good ideas that can fit well in the predator universe, and others that can fit less, but in the end the execution will be crucial in the final product, just like for all movies.
I have more harsh approach towards this script. It has some Jurrasic Park 3-esque bad ideas, some Ps bad ideas (that were rightly thrown away) made even bigger and I don't buy this whole boy-wonder part. I know the script is old, I know test screenings gave us additional data and I know execution is crucial but I have bad feeling about this and can't shake it off.
And i totally understand your concern... Some stuff is definitely objectively worrying, i just hope that it will be at a small detail level in the final product.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 18, 2018, 01:28:48 PM
Yeah, then again i must agree with you entirely, damn :laugh:. But before answering your question about my empathy for the pred in the upcoming movie, i need to know what you know from the script, so that i don't spoil you ;)
I know what most other people know, the break down of the plot that was released. I haven't, as yet, been able to retrieve of a copy of the script though I have been actively searching for it as I get a kick out of seeing things evolve from script to screen. I'm not one to worry about spoilers as I am already too aware of the way films are made for that to effect my enjoyment one way or the other. Especially when we're talking early drafts that likely will be wildly different from the finished product.
So my knowledge and understanding of The Predator is probably just slightly above anyone who has read the plot break down, but I haven't seen the 'leaked' script itself. (Leaked scheaked, if it was leaked widely I would have seen it...)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 18, 2018, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 18, 2018, 01:28:48 PM
Yeah, then again i must agree with you entirely, damn :laugh:. But before answering your question about my empathy for the pred in the upcoming movie, i need to know what you know from the script, so that i don't spoil you ;)
I know what most other people know, the break down of the plot that was released. I haven't, as yet, been able to retrieve of a copy of the script though I have been actively searching for it as I get a kick out of seeing things evolve from script to screen. I'm not one to worry about spoilers as I am already too aware of the way films are made for that to effect my enjoyment one way or the other. Especially when we're talking early drafts that likely will be wildly different from the finished product.
So my knowledge and understanding of The Predator is probably just slightly above anyone who has read the plot break down, but I haven't seen the 'leaked' script itself. (Leaked scheaked, if it was leaked widely I would have seen it...)
Okay, i'll use spoiler tags for those who may not be aware of stuff in the script,
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and i can say that my empathy towards the lone pred that crashes in the beginning is, i guess, kinda "romantic". I explain ; the fact that he is stripped of his equipment and have to get it back gave him a little more depth than the classical hunting predator for me, and the fact that he works his way out of captivity like a badass helps me like him more, since we know the people who capture him are bastards :laugh:. And finally, his demise gave him a more emotional dimension for me...
But you're right, a lot of what motivates this empathy matches with what you said in your post ;)
So has anyone been able to get a description of what the new Predator from the beginning of the film looks like?
Quote from: prettyokayusername on Jan 20, 2018, 08:18:53 PM
So has anyone been able to get a description of what the new Predator from the beginning of the film looks like?
There is no detailed description in the script. It's hard to say something about it.
Quote from: prettyokayusername on Jan 20, 2018, 08:18:53 PM
So has anyone been able to get a description of what the new Predator from the beginning of the film looks like?
The only thing we can say is that people from the test screening said his design was fantastic, without giving more details ;)
But consensus was the movie is crap though, right?
Really hope not...but it is what it is
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2018, 03:29:10 PM
But consensus was the movie is crap though, right?
It seems that the audience was divided to say the least, i don't know if there was a majority of people that didn't like it, but it's safe to say that there were more than a few yes
There was only 1 test screening and maybe 3 or 4 reactions that actually got out... not a big consensus to gauge
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Jan 21, 2018, 07:42:40 PM
There was only 1 test screening and maybe 3 or 4 reactions that actually got out... not a big consensus to gauge
Terrible script(
I know, I know very old, got it) and bad reactions from test screenings (
I know, I know only 3 or 4 without any positive, got it), it's a hit in progress. No doubt about that...
A test screening 9 months from release with no finished vfx and not close to final edit and composition but continue the hate
Oh yes, I forgot vfx and edit can change horrid script.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2018, 08:56:13 PM
Terrible script(I know, I know very old, got it) and bad reactions from test screenings (I know, I know only 3 or 4 without any positive, got it), it's a hit in progress. No doubt about that...
From what I can remember it was 3 responses, 2 of which were bad, the other was more middling but after thinking about it he actually ended up really enjoying it. But it's still not a reasonable reaction pool.
Still holding out for more rather than basing opinions on out-dated info.
At the end of the day I really want this to be good. As good as it's only possible, but crazy turns and twists didn't ever ended for Predator good. I don't know if it's because first film raised the bar so high it's nearly impossible to match, or too much focus is placed on the creaure in other entries which doesn't work so well. I think going back to basics is the right course. Not doing thesame film again, but stick to the formula with only so much changes to make it it's own. Most of you know my idea for predator film, I think it would work well.
Quote from: Master on Jan 22, 2018, 10:27:12 AM
Oh yes, I forgot vfx and edit can change horrid script.
God damn it, won't you try to be positive as a new year resolution :laugh:
I'll show myself out...
I've just read the script ( finally ) and i dont see the big drama. Yes, there are some outrageous things but on the whole i trust Shane Black and the actors to turn this into an entertaining movie. Given that the actors have said they were given the scope to improvise, i am still very excited for the film!
I wanna read the damn script!
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 07, 2018, 02:28:20 AM
I wanna read the damn script!
No you really don't. I turned down the offer. You wanna sit in a nice theater, munch some popcorn and enjoy the show with every twist and surprise. That's how the movie is supposed to be seen, no script should ever leak in beforehand for any movie. On top of that, the script is oooooold and confirmed to have changed quite a bit, on top of another round of reshoots happening in march.
It's really not worth it, go in open minded.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 07, 2018, 08:42:33 AM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Feb 07, 2018, 02:28:20 AM
I wanna read the damn script!
No you really don't. I turned down the offer. You wanna sit in a nice theater, munch some popcorn and enjoy the show with every twist and surprise. That's how the
movie is supposed to be seen, no script should ever leak in beforehand for any movie. On top of that, the script is oooooold and confirmed to have changed quite a bit, on top of another round of reshoots happening in march.
It's really not worth it, go in open minded.
Ii totally agree, but personally i read it out of curiosity, considering how much hate majority of die hard fans have given the script. Im not sad that i did, considering the changes that will be made. i really enjoyed the Loonies interactions, looking forward to see how they play out on screen
*Fixed quote. Hicks.
I just want to see the new Predator designs in full. I'm surprised there's been only one leaked photo with the Preds on the tank.
Yes, I`m very interested in those too.
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 07, 2018, 10:44:40 AM
I just want to see the new Predator designs in full. I'm surprised there's been only one leaked photo with the Preds on the tank.
Yeah it's especially surprising seeing as we know merchandisers seem to already have assets for it... Guess they're just not inclined to leak them, maybe there just isn't enough interest to bother
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 07, 2018, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: greygoose on Feb 07, 2018, 10:44:40 AM
I just want to see the new Predator designs in full. I'm surprised there's been only one leaked photo with the Preds on the tank.
Yeah it's especially surprising seeing as we know merchandisers seem to already have assets for it... Guess they're just not inclined to leak them, maybe there just isn't enough interest to bother
Even just an official pic of the original style Predator would be nice. Keep the Upgrade a secret but let us see the new suits in all their glory. Create some hype!
There's interest, they just wont be allowed to yet. I've no doubt we'll eventually see them, just not until the marketing begins.
Back on the forum after a couple years away, I promised myself I wasnt going to read any spoilers, the script etc etc but I couldnt help myself and read pretty much everything I can find. (and thats what led me back to the forum).
I have to admit that certain points to the script are horrible, yet I can't help but feel optimistic for this film. I'm really looking forward to more info and a trailer whenever it comes. I like the idea of showing more of the pred tech etc.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
There's interest, they just wont be allowed to yet. I've no doubt we'll eventually see them, just not until the marketing begins.
Toy Fair 2018 maybe?
Later this month? Probably still too early. I wouldn't expect to see any merchandise before we see the actual trailer.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
There's interest, they just wont be allowed to yet. I've no doubt we'll eventually see them, just not until the marketing begins.
I wasn't talking about them being allowed to, I meant someone leaking images they shouldn't. We've already seen a shot of the portal some of the merchandisers use so the content is there... I meant there's probably not enough interest for someone to leak something if that makes sense
Quote from: black on Nov 11, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
I hope that somebody will match the names of the characters of PTSD to the actors, but I think that Spoiler
Coyle = Thomas, Baxley = Keegan, Flyboy = Augusto, Nettles = Allen
I think KMK is Coyle, Jane is Baxley, Flyboy is Augusto and Nettles Alfie. Just going on the script and released pics they all tie in
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 08, 2018, 06:29:53 AM
Quote from: black on Nov 11, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
I hope that somebody will match the names of the characters of PTSD to the actors, but I think that Spoiler
Coyle = Thomas, Baxley = Keegan, Flyboy = Augusto, Nettles = Allen
I think KMK is Coyle, Jane is Baxley, Flyboy is Augusto and Nettles Alfie. Just going on the script and released pics they all tie in
Wouldn't that be the other way around for Jane and KMK ? From what i remember anyway...
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Coyle = Thomas, Baxley = Keegan, Flyboy = Augusto, Nettles = Allen
I think KMK is Coyle, Jane is Baxley, Flyboy is Augusto and Nettles Alfie. Just going on the script and released pics they all tie in
Wouldn't that be the other way around for Jane and KMK ? From what i remember anyway...
Nah i read it again yesterday and Coyle is the one with jokes. Plus there are certain pics that match up. Btw, how do i add a spoiler warning?
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 10, 2018, 11:53:38 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 10, 2018, 02:04:35 PM
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I hope that somebody will match the names of the characters of PTSD to the actors, but I think that Spoiler
Coyle = Thomas, Baxley = Keegan, Flyboy = Augusto, Nettles = Allen
I think KMK is Coyle, Jane is Baxley, Flyboy is Augusto and Nettles Alfie. Just going on the script and released pics they all tie in
Wouldn't that be the other way around for Jane and KMK ? From what i remember anyway...
Nah i read it again yesterday and Coyle is the one with jokes. Plus there are certain pics that match up. Btw, how do i add a spoiler warning?
You put spoiler in brackets like this [], the spoiler you want to tag, then add /spoiler in brackets as well. Like this:
Spoiler
Ash is a goddamn robot!!!!
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 11, 2018, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 10, 2018, 11:53:38 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 10, 2018, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 08, 2018, 06:29:53 AM
Quote from: black on Nov 11, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
I hope that somebody will match the names of the characters of PTSD to the actors, but I think that Spoiler
Coyle = Thomas, Baxley = Keegan, Flyboy = Augusto, Nettles = Allen
I think KMK is Coyle, Jane is Baxley, Flyboy is Augusto and Nettles Alfie. Just going on the script and released pics they all tie in
Wouldn't that be the other way around for Jane and KMK ? From what i remember anyway...
Nah i read it again yesterday and Coyle is the one with jokes. Plus there are certain pics that match up. Btw, how do i add a spoiler warning?
You put spoiler in brackets like this [], the spoiler you want to tag, then add /spoiler in brackets as well. Like this:
Spoiler
Ash is a goddamn robot!!!!
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Thanks dude👍👍
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 10, 2018, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 08, 2018, 06:29:53 AM
Quote from: black on Nov 11, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
I hope that somebody will match the names of the characters of PTSD to the actors, but I think that Spoiler
Coyle = Thomas, Baxley = Keegan, Flyboy = Augusto, Nettles = Allen
I think KMK is Coyle, Jane is Baxley, Flyboy is Augusto and Nettles Alfie. Just going on the script and released pics they all tie in
Wouldn't that be the other way around for Jane and KMK ? From what i remember anyway...
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Coyle's death in the script also matches up to the pics of KMK dead on the tanker
Probably someone from this forum or was at least. Spoilers and a lot of hitler.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fkC97WzMeJY
We are called knob slurpers :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: Genius. When he removes his glasses and say: "Following people leave the room. Anderson fans, Strause fans and Rodriguez fans. And all the AvPGalxy knob slurpers." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The joke's on them, using a dead meme and using Hitler as a mouth piece. :laugh:
:laugh: Lol it's probably the rejects from IMDB or ManlyMovies. :laugh: Bless them.
Having finally gotten my hands on the script, and have now read it a good 5 times, there is alot in this Movie that i really like. But there is one big thing that really seems to bother me
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The upgrade doesn't actually kill any humans. [\spoiler]
But i think there is scope in the script to change up that ie
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Nettles, Nebraska, Flyboy and Traegers deaths can be altered to be at the hands of the upgrade [\spoiler]
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Just needed to get it off my chest.
But we can agree on the fact that this wasn't his initial mission but i remember someone told me that
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he kills only one human at the very end of the script, i didn't get that far to avoid spoilers of this kind actually, so i don't know who ;)
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 21, 2018, 07:28:46 AM
Having finally gotten my hands on the script, and have now read it a good 5 times, there is alot in this Movie that i really like. But there is one big thing that really seems to bother me
Spoiler
The upgrade doesn't actually kill any humans. [\spoiler]
But i think there is scope in the script to change up that ie
Spoiler
Nettles, Nebraska, Flyboy and Traegers deaths can be altered to be at the hands of the upgrade [\spoiler]
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Just needed to get it off my chest.
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Nebraska has an epic death and I would leave it as it is. I was very surprised in the bad sense that an upgrade kills only predators so I'm in favor of a change.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 21, 2018, 07:28:46 AM
Having finally gotten my hands on the script, and have now read it a good 5 times, there is alot in this Movie that i really like. But there is one big thing that really seems to bother me
Spoiler
The upgrade doesn't actually kill any humans. [\spoiler]
But i think there is scope in the script to change up that ie
Spoiler
Nettles, Nebraska, Flyboy and Traegers deaths can be altered to be at the hands of the upgrade [\spoiler]
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Just needed to get it off my chest.
And there was nothing more that bothered you, out of curiosity ?
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Preds in pants, a 10ft tall hybrid that f**ks up the other preds, the whole preds leaving their planet to live on earth thing, autistic kid defeating (not alone though) the hybrid, preds hunting not only for sport but for collecting DNA too ?
I resumed what people complaint the most about... Personally
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preds in pants i'm not fond of,
for the rest i can live with it.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 21, 2018, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 21, 2018, 07:28:46 AM
Having finally gotten my hands on the script, and have now read it a good 5 times, there is alot in this Movie that i really like. But there is one big thing that really seems to bother me
Spoiler
The upgrade doesn't actually kill any humans. [\spoiler]
But i think there is scope in the script to change up that ie
Spoiler
Nettles, Nebraska, Flyboy and Traegers deaths can be altered to be at the hands of the upgrade [\spoiler]
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Just needed to get it off my chest.
And there was nothing more that bothered you, out of curiosity ? Spoiler
Preds in pants, a 10ft tall hybrid that f**ks up the other preds, the whole preds leaving their planet to live on earth thing, autistic kid defeating (not alone though) the hybrid, preds hunting not only for sport but for collecting DNA too ?
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preds in pants i'm not fond of,
There are definitely smaller things in the script i wasnt fond of, but im trying to look at the bigger picture👍👍
In regars to
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Preds in pants, doesn't bother me. The Hybrid has the potential to be awesome ( He only kills aF22 Pilot ) I think the ending will be tweaked some so im not to concerned, and in regards to character deaths, i think Nebraska will survive
Yeah
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the hybrid is cool even though he is a psycopath
.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 21, 2018, 11:10:43 PM
Yeah Spoiler
the hybrid is cool even though he is a psycopath
Haha!
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Yes he is, but so is the captured Pred. Poor ol Keye's son cops it worse then anyone ( if he is playing the scientist in the script )
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Feb 21, 2018, 11:52:32 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 21, 2018, 11:10:43 PM
Yeah Spoiler
the hybrid is cool even though he is a psycopath
Haha! Spoiler
Yes he is, but so is the captured Pred. Poor ol Keye's son cops it worse then anyone ( if he is playing the scientist in the script )
Yeah hahah
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he must miss that arm :laugh:. I understand the captured pred though, being stripped out of his equipment pisses him off, so it's a personal thing for him and an understandable reason to ged mad :laugh:. Honestly i was kinda rooting for him at some point ;D. I can't say that for the hybrid, even though he appears to be badass ;)
If I had any major problem with the script, it's that the final stretch was a little messy.
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The military base, the defector Preds, and the exposition as to what's going on are all introduced very suddenly.
Do you guys have the script available so I can give it a read?
Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 22, 2018, 05:55:05 AM
Do you guys have the script available so I can give it a read?
Haha its an exclusive club. You have to go through initiation to get it😂😂
Where do I sign up?
Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 23, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Where do I sign up?
A masked man will come to you just past midnight. You have to sign in blood.
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Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 23, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Where do I sign up?
A masked man will come to you just past midnight. You have to sign in blood.
Then you must remove your pants, bend and be strong.
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 23, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Where do I sign up?
A masked man will come to you just past midnight. You have to sign in blood.
Then you must remove your pants, bend and be strong.
Nope, he's not Harvey Weinstein. Or Kevin Spacey.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2018, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 23, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Where do I sign up?
A masked man will come to you just past midnight. You have to sign in blood.
Then you must remove your pants, bend and be strong.
Nope, he's not Harvey Weinstein. Or Kevin Spacey.
Have you read the script?
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2018, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2018, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 23, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Where do I sign up?
A masked man will come to you just past midnight. You have to sign in blood.
Then you must remove your pants, bend and be strong.
Nope, he's not Harvey Weinstein. Or Kevin Spacey.
Have you read the script?
Yep.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2018, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 23, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Where do I sign up?
A masked man will come to you just past midnight. You have to sign in blood.
Then you must remove your pants, bend and be strong.
:laugh: :laugh:
I held out as long as I could but in the end I caved and looked up the spoilers.
My knee jerk reaction was not to like it but within seconds I found myself warming up to most, not all, the film was brining. It really will depend on the execution.
If your a Yautja hardliner, like I was when I was younger, your gonna hate this film with a passion. But really the Yaujta lore is not that ingrained in even the comics. Most do not touch on that subject at all, sticking to the movies' habit showing hints. Most novels post the dark horse ones make up their own, South China Sea being a good example.
As for the whole Predators using DNA to improve themselves, I'm shore that was something in the old Predators script. The Super Predators looked different because they were genetically modifying themselves with their preys DNA. With that unused idea plus the supposed blood feud mentioned in that film and the deserters in this one, one could assume The Predator is building on what was hinted at in Predators as well as keeping in line with 1 and 2. It would seem that Predators as a race are collectively going in for "improving themselves" and our old honour hunters are the minority.
I'm gonna have to see this to really judge it but it could work, sometimes a radical change can be a good thing if done right. Or it can be a total f##k up who knows.
Edit:
Actually, I was just thinking about the whole premis of the film and then it hit me. A person who is seen as a lesser beats a superior foe due to his unique talents.
Both the human military and the villinus Predator seek conventunal pefrection through physcial and technological improvement. They embody the sterioticpcial Alpha ideal. But in a David and Goliath twist, the Ultimate Predator is no felled by a superior foe, for none can hope to match him, but by something it and even we humans would offhandedly consider infiror or flawed.
Thats actually a pretty cool idea that plays against expectation of what a Predators film normally is about.
I want it to be good, but.... what I've read, it sounds like a disaster. I don't see how anybody could be happy with the whole gm thing. Bigger isn't always better. Independence Day 4 sequel, that sucked, could have been good!
I had a question for the script. How did the "stargazer" so quickly arrive at the crash site of the capsule? What is a hole in the script or am I missing something? A very strange moment.
Quote from: black on Jun 20, 2018, 03:07:29 PM
I had a question for the script. How did the "stargazer" so quickly arrive at the crash site of the capsule? What is a hole in the script or am I missing something? A very strange moment.
Good question indeed... They arrive pretty quickly (too quickly ?), maybe they were monitoring some hot spots they knew preds would favor, i don't know. Even if that's the case it isn't implied in the script afterwards.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2018, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: black on Jun 20, 2018, 03:07:29 PM
I had a question for the script. How did the "stargazer" so quickly arrive at the crash site of the capsule? What is a hole in the script or am I missing something? A very strange moment.
Good question indeed... They arrive pretty quickly (too quickly ?), maybe they were monitoring some hot spots they knew preds would favor, i don't know. Even if that's the case it isn't implied in the script afterwards.
In a stargazer there is more mysticism than in a Predator itself. ;D
RE: Stargazer:
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I got the impression that they and the govt.
and the defector preds were all in cahoots and that they were expecting something.
Nothing is ever said explicitly, but when the General or whoever it is is speaking to McKenna, I thought he said something along the lines of "..maybe he wanted to join the others" or something like that.
Suspension of disbelief leads me to believe that we're supposed to assume the govt. and the defectors are "allied" but stargazer want to weaponise and capture the preds 'coz alien tech & weapons = money etc.'
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Jun 20, 2018, 09:04:23 PM
RE: Stargazer:
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I got the impression that they and the govt.
and the defector preds were all in cahoots and that they were expecting something.
Nothing is ever said explicitly, but when the General or whoever it is is speaking to McKenna, I thought he said something along the lines of "..maybe he wanted to join the others" or something like that.
Suspension of disbelief leads me to believe that we're supposed to assume the govt. and the defectors are "allied" but stargazer want to weaponise and capture the preds 'coz alien tech & weapons = money etc.'
It sounds very illogical as the whole script.The good government of the United States and(vs) the evil corporation. ;D
It's in their name.
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They were watching for it.
Hey LeakedScript Readers, I have questions.
1. Actually, what exactly happens to the Ark after Captured's escape pod detaches? I assume it crashes in cloak mode but nobody (even Predators) know to where...
2. What happens with the Predator mother ship after Upgrade exits it? The script does not mention it after the crash landing.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 03, 2018, 09:11:24 AM
Hey LeakedScript Readers, I have questions.
1. Actually, what exactly happens to the Ark after Captured's escape pod detaches? I assume it crashes in cloak mode but nobody (even Predators) know to where...
2. What happens with the Predator mother ship after Upgrade exits it? The script does not mention it after the crash landing.
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IIRC the ark crashes in Florida, and is retrieved by Stargazer, before the upgrade get back to it to free the 8 hybrids in cryotubes.
Regarding the mother ship, indeed it seems there's no mention of it afterwards.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 03, 2018, 12:31:04 PM
Regarding the mother ship, indeed it seems there's no mention of it afterwards.
Maybe a cliffhanger for a potential sequel.
anyone know where i could find the script?
I honestly thought the
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mother ship is what crashes, no?
Captured drops off in an escape pod from what I thought was the "ark" slash "mother ship"
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 04, 2018, 02:42:12 AM
I honestly thought the Spoiler
mother ship is what crashes, no?
Captured drops off in an escape pod from what I thought was the "ark" slash "mother ship"
That was my impression too.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 04, 2018, 02:42:12 AM
I honestly thought the Spoiler
mother ship is what crashes, no?
Captured drops off in an escape pod from what I thought was the "ark" slash "mother ship"
The mother ship crashes also, a F22's rocket does some damage of it and that's the reason IIRC.
This is the case:
In the beginning, the Ark detaches from the mother ship (the Captured 'steals' the Ark) and enters the Earth's atmoshpere. Then the Captured's escape pod detaches, it lands somewhere in Mexico, while the Ark crashes/lands somewhere in Florida swamps in cloak mode. Now, everybody is after the Ark but nobody knows where to find it. Later, the Upgrade arrives at Earth with the mother ship and he also tries to find the Ark (because the hybrids are onboard). After finding the Ark, it crashes yet 2 times more (once when Rory controls it [crash site: football stadium] and after that when Upgrade tries to leave the Earth with Rory onboard [crash site: swamps]).
So, I think the crash we see in the trailers is the 3rd one...at the end of the film.
I remember
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the central ship in the story being the Ark because indeed it contains the hybrids. So not much mention of the mother ship after it being somewhat "downed" by F22's. And the Ark may do not crash, but "land" in Florida, yes.
I haven't read through all 83 Pages of this Thread. Is it ok to ask for the script to get PMed, or is that a bannable offense?
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 04, 2018, 03:08:12 PM
I haven't read through all 83 Pages of this Thread. Is it ok to ask for the script to get PMed, or is that a bannable offense?
Feel free to ask, there is the "potential spoiler" note in the title of the topic. :)
Due to the reshoots, I wouldn't take the leaked script as absolute truth anymore.
It's bound to wind up on here for download at least awhile after the movie is released though isn't it?
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Due to the reshoots, I wouldn't take the leaked script as absolute truth anymore.
Most of the film is based on that script, you can be sure. Too many matches if we check the trailers and behind the scenes videos.
Even if the 3rd act was reshot, the plot did not change. Keypoints and major events of the story remained.
Many differences too, or at least new things added in the mix, which is good.
Captured slammed on a car.
Nettles held by the hair on top of the bus.
A skinned (or maimed) body hung up in a tree.
Soldier apparently present with McKenna in the beginning of the movie.
Shuriken used by captured, firing wristblade.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Due to the reshoots, I wouldn't take the leaked script as absolute truth anymore.
I realize that, but I'd still like to read the script for myself, instead of relying on 2nd hand information. The script might have changed, but it seems the overall plot did survive.
I wonder how much changed though.
Spoiler
According to the script, Captured gets killed the moment Upgrade catches up to him, but the Trailers make it look like Captured will be the main Predator of the Movie and have a substantial role. It would probably be quite a shock for the audience, if Captured gets killed halfway into the Movie, but then we later find out that there are actually 2 more Predators on earth, working with the humans.
Will they stick to the script and have Capture die, once Upgrade gets his hands on him? Or will his role be expanded and we get a showdown between Captured and Upgrade?
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 04, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
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Will they stick to the script and have Capture die, once Upgrade gets his hands on him? Or will his role be expanded and we get a showdown between Captured and Upgrade?
Yes, they will. That's what the film about.
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Cold war between normal Predators and upgrades.
Captured dies in the middle of the film. From there Upgrade is the main Predator.
I just hope they change his death a little bit...they should add some kind of battle between Captured and Upgrade. And that 'slam-into-the-car' scene gives a very little hope about it. :)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 04, 2018, 05:45:35 PM
Many differences too, or at least new things added in the mix, which is good.
Captured slammed on a car.
Nettles held by the hair on top of the bus.
A skinned (or maimed) boy hung up in a tree.
Soldier apparently present with McKenna in the beginning of the movie.
Shuriken used by captured, firing wristblade.
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And Nettles still living when the APC chase is going on.
Lynch is the name of Alfie Allen's character instead of Flyboy.
Sean Keyes instead of Sean H. Colwell.
And so on...
But these are not changing things like Rory controlling the Ark or the kinda B movie creatures, the Kuhjad, Rory as the most evolved human, etc.
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 04, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Due to the reshoots, I wouldn't take the leaked script as absolute truth anymore.
I realize that, but I'd still like to read the script for myself, instead of relying on 2nd hand information. The script might have changed, but it seems the overall plot did survive.
I wonder how much changed though.
Spoiler
According to the script, Captured gets killed the moment Upgrade catches up to him, but the Trailers make it look like Captured will be the main Predator of the Movie and have a substantial role. It would probably be quite a shock for the audience, if Captured gets killed halfway into the Movie, but then we later find out that there are actually 2 more Predators on earth, working with the humans.
Will they stick to the script and have Capture die, once Upgrade gets his hands on him? Or will his role be expanded and we get a showdown between Captured and Upgrade?
Don't worry, Captured does have a substantial role in the movie indeed.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 04, 2018, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 04, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Due to the reshoots, I wouldn't take the leaked script as absolute truth anymore.
I realize that, but I'd still like to read the script for myself, instead of relying on 2nd hand information. The script might have changed, but it seems the overall plot did survive.
I wonder how much changed though.
Spoiler
According to the script, Captured gets killed the moment Upgrade catches up to him, but the Trailers make it look like Captured will be the main Predator of the Movie and have a substantial role. It would probably be quite a shock for the audience, if Captured gets killed halfway into the Movie, but then we later find out that there are actually 2 more Predators on earth, working with the humans.
Will they stick to the script and have Capture die, once Upgrade gets his hands on him? Or will his role be expanded and we get a showdown between Captured and Upgrade?
Don't worry, Captured does have a substantial role in the movie indeed.
from what the latest trailer shows doesn't look like much has changed
As i've said, nothing so far indicates major changes to the spine of the story, which is where a lot of the major problems crop up later on.
I've actually got an article incoming shortly with some details about the changes to the 3rd act. Should be some happy folk.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 05, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
I've actually got an article incoming shortly with some details about the changes to the 3rd act. Should be some happy folk.
intriguing.
I hope they ditched the...
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hybrids. That part is too Gremlins 2 for me.
1 (https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1530782251/f5df8610/22364688.jpg)
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Its Friendly Pred..... or reshoots make Capture Pred alive o_O ?
(https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1530782251/ec3d622f/22364687.jpg)
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This is hybrid or pred dog? (hope this monsters still film after reshoots)
Quote from: Tetsujin on Jul 05, 2018, 09:41:30 AM
1 (https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1530782251/f5df8610/22364688.jpg)
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Its Friendly Pred..... or reshoots make Capture Pred alive o_O ?
Yes, he is one of the Defectors. And he uses the machine gun.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Jul 05, 2018, 09:41:30 AM
2 (https://images.vfl.ru/ii/1530782251/ec3d622f/22364687.jpg)
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This is hybrid or pred dog? (hope this monsters still film after reshoots)
Woow...where is that picture from? Not seen yet. :)
I think it's Coyle who's face is...I don't know...ripped off? :)
And answering your question...that thing is a part of a hybrid. Not Predator dog.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 05, 2018, 12:54:52 AM
As i've said, nothing so far indicates major changes to the spine of the story, which is where a lot of the major problems crop up later on.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 05, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
I've actually got an article incoming shortly with some details about the changes to the 3rd act. Should be some happy folk.
Good timing :laugh:
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 05, 2018, 10:34:57 AMYes, he is one of the Defectors. And he uses the machine gun.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 05, 2018, 10:34:57 AMAnd answering your question...that thing is a part of a hybrid. Not Predator dog.
Thanks !!! :)
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 05, 2018, 10:34:57 AMWoow...where is that picture from? Not seen yet. :)
This picture from april 2017 set -
25 APRIL 2017 (http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a826789/first-look-predator-reboot-on-set/) ThePredatorUK - post -
Social Media Posts Regarding "The Predator" (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55014.msg2201827#msg2201827) (#717)
;)
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 05, 2018, 10:34:57 AM
Yes, he is one of the Defectors. And he uses the machine gun.
He's one of the defectors, yes. He is not the Captured Pred. He's wearing the military camo stuff.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 05, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
I've actually got an article incoming shortly with some details about the changes to the 3rd act. Should be some happy folk.
Look forward to reading that, sir.
I've been checking all day for this article Hicks. Are you posting it tomorrow?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 05, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
I've actually got an article incoming shortly with some details about the changes to the 3rd act. Should be some happy folk.
Oh the anticipation! Can't wait to read it :-)
It's probably already posted, he just forgot to turn the cloak off.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:00:40 AM
It's probably already posted, he just forgot to turn the cloak off.
If it's posted. we can read it. ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 06, 2018, 01:49:13 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:00:40 AM
It's probably already posted, he just forgot to turn the cloak off.
If it's posted. we can read it. ;)
Do you really think this thread posting bullshit is gonna work? ;)
Maybe instead of complaining you should embed.
What are you gonna try next? Cheese?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 05, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
I've actually got an article incoming shortly with some details about the changes to the 3rd act. Should be some happy folk.
When will you post this article?
I didn't mean immediately soon. :laugh: Just need to double-check some stuff and then it'll be up when I'm satisfied it's all above board.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 06, 2018, 07:14:49 AM
I didn't mean immediately soon. :laugh: Just need to double-check some stuff and then it'll be up when I'm satisfied it's all above board.
Immediately has gone since your first post regarding the article...soon is also tickin' away...so please hurry up! :D :D
It'll be up as soon as I'm content with it.
Cool deal
🧀
Of course when you're ready, but I thought I'd leave some cheese out anyway.
so I get the leaked script aspect of everything, but how bad were the deaths in it? Were they pointless deaths or were some actually p1 p2 style deaths? Figured I'd ask since apparently the main cast deaths were rewritten.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 08, 2018, 04:18:22 AM
so I get the leaked script aspect of everything, but how bad were the deaths in it? Were they pointless deaths or were some actually p1 p2 style deaths? Figured I'd ask since apparently the main cast deaths were rewritten.
Yeah they were pretty average deaths and without any real emotion.
Since its changed not sure if i need spoilers
Baxley and Coyle were killed by Hybrids on the APC. Lynch killed by a Hybrid in a truck? Nettles cut off at the knees on the Ark? Nebraska killed by missle fire riding atop the Ark and Traeger shot dead by General Woodhurst.
Yeah not one f**king Loonie were wasted by the upgrade ! What a shame !
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Jul 08, 2018, 10:05:56 AM
Baxley and Coyle were killed by Hybrids on the APC. Lynch killed by a Hybrid in a truck? Nettles cut off at the knees on the Ark? Nebraska killed by missle fire riding atop the Ark and Traeger shot dead by General Woodhurst.
Nope. Lynch (Flyboy in the script) is the one who is cut off at his knees by the activating shield on the Ark.
Nettles is killed by a hybrid off-screen while sheperding sexy girls into a taco truck.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 08, 2018, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Jul 08, 2018, 10:05:56 AM
Baxley and Coyle were killed by Hybrids on the APC. Lynch killed by a Hybrid in a truck? Nettles cut off at the knees on the Ark? Nebraska killed by missle fire riding atop the Ark and Traeger shot dead by General Woodhurst.
Nope. Lynch (Flyboy in the script) is the one who is cut off at his knees by the activating shield on the Ark.
Nettles is killed by a hybrid off-screen while sheperding sexy girls into a taco truck.
I think Ramjet is right, Flyboy will be Nettles in the movie.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Jul 08, 2018, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 08, 2018, 04:18:22 AM
so I get the leaked script aspect of everything, but how bad were the deaths in it? Were they pointless deaths or were some actually p1 p2 style deaths? Figured I'd ask since apparently the main cast deaths were rewritten.
Yeah they were pretty average deaths and without any real emotion.
Since its changed not sure if i need spoilers
Baxley and Coyle were killed by Hybrids on the APC. Lynch killed by a Hybrid in a truck? Nettles cut off at the knees on the Ark? Nebraska killed by missle fire riding atop the Ark and Traeger shot dead by General Woodhurst.
Those are horrible lol! Thank god for the reshoots. If we don't get a human spinal removal from the upgrade, I've lost all hope.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 08, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Jul 08, 2018, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 08, 2018, 04:18:22 AM
so I get the leaked script aspect of everything, but how bad were the deaths in it? Were they pointless deaths or were some actually p1 p2 style deaths? Figured I'd ask since apparently the main cast deaths were rewritten.
Yeah they were pretty average deaths and without any real emotion.
Since its changed not sure if i need spoilers
Baxley and Coyle were killed by Hybrids on the APC. Lynch killed by a Hybrid in a truck? Nettles cut off at the knees on the Ark? Nebraska killed by missle fire riding atop the Ark and Traeger shot dead by General Woodhurst.
Those are horrible lol! Thank god for the reshoots. If we don't get a human spinal removal from the upgrade, I've lost all hope.
I hope too. He'll probably use two fingers to do that though considering his size.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 08, 2018, 12:55:23 PM
I think Ramjet is right, Flyboy will be Nettles in the movie.
You mean that Alfie Allen's Lynch is a new character?
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 08, 2018, 04:09:54 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 08, 2018, 12:55:23 PM
I think Ramjet is right, Flyboy will be Nettles in the movie.
You mean that Alfie Allen's Lynch is a new character?
I think he is a blend of a new character and Nettles from the script.
Keep in mind it's been awhile so I don't remember all of the details, and super endgame spoilers here...
Spoiler
Lynch is killed first from behind, standing on a ridge overlooking the ship. It's right after this that the Upgrade announces that it's letting everyone run into the woods, because it wants to hunt the "greatest warrior" (Rory, because he's incredibly intelligent).
For the life of me I don't remember how Nettles dies.
Traeger gets shot by the Upgrade.
Baxley and Coyle both get stabbed (Baxley's actually impaled high up on a tree). They have a love-hate-bromance the whole movie. They pull out their guns and each shoot the other at the same moment to end their misery.
Nebraska and Quinn both make it onto the Predator ship as it lifts off, but its shield activates. Quinn's below it and is safe, but it cuts Nebraska off at the knees and he goes flying off.
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 08, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
Keep in mind it's been awhile so I don't remember all of the details, and super endgame spoilers here...
Spoiler
Lynch is killed first from behind, standing on a ridge overlooking the ship. It's right after this that the Upgrade announces that it's letting everyone run into the woods, because it wants to hunt the "greatest warrior" (Rory, because he's incredibly intelligent).
For the life of me I don't remember how Nettles dies.
Traeger gets shot by the Upgrade.
Baxley and Coyle both get stabbed (Baxley's actually impaled high up on a tree). They have a love-hate-bromance the whole movie. They pull out their guns and each shoot the other at the same moment to end their misery.
Nebraska and Quinn both make it onto the Predator ship as it lifts off, but its shield activates. Quinn's below it and is safe, but it cuts Nebraska off at the knees and he goes flying off.
Am I wrong in assuming this is the old script deaths?
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Baxley originally
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was killed on the APC by a half breed/hybred
Those are the post-reshoot deaths.
Can someone explain to me what these "hybrids" were that got cut?
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 12:03:23 AM
Can someone explain to me what these "hybrids" were that got cut?
Spoiler
They were these strange insect like creatures with Predator traits.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 12:03:23 AM
Can someone explain to me what these "hybrids" were that got cut?
From the script:
"Spiders"
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INT. RORY'S ROOM - NIGHT
Rory lies in bed. Wide awake. Peering into a tiny KEYCHAIN VIEWER with a light in it:
A PHOTO -- Father and son in happier times. RORY sighs. Rolls over. Turns on his bedside table lamp --
And there, on the nightstand, is THE KUJHAD.
The BIOHELMET sits beside it; eerie, beckoning. Rory reaches for the Kujhad, but it's no longer blinking.
Shit.
He THUMBS buttons to wake it up. Nothing at first. Then... it GLOWS RED. Success! Rory chews his lip, thinking. What next?
And then he learns the meaning of the phrase, "Be careful what you wish for." Because suddenly: SHAPES, moving in his peripheral vision. He looks up. GASPS -
GIANT, MULTI-EYES SPIDERS
Crawling on the walls and ceiling. Out of nowhere. All around him/ Terrified, Rory starts to hyperventilate.
He STABS BUTTONS in a desperate bid to make them go away -
Then notices: the spiders are GLITCHING with electronic distortion. He double-takes, SEES -
MONOFILAMENTS OF LIGHT emanating from the biohelmet... it's the source of the images. Not just images:
HOLOGRAPHIC PROJECTIONS. He picks up the helmet, lifts it to his face and...
"Real deal."
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INT. CRAMPED COMPARTMENT
McKENNA turns to Rory:
MCKENNA
Are you... are you okay?
Mckenna frowns. No answer. Rory's not looking at him. He's looking UP. Petrified...
because they're not alone. Something's in here with them.
McKenna follows his gaze. A low animal CHITTERING, all too familiar... above them, hanging UPSIDE DOWN: not a holographic projection, but the real deal -
A SPIDER/PREDATOR HYBRID.
EXT. THE ARK - CONTINUOUS
They all SCRAMBLE OUT. SPIN back around, panicked, as
THE HYBRID APPEARS.
Poised in the hatch, mandibles extended. As McKenna watches -- Rory taps the code, the hatch SLAMS SHUT --
BISECTING THE SPIDER PREDATOR--!
But the front half? Still alive, STILL MOVING -
CASEY AND MCKENNA BLAST IT TO TATTERS. As the thing finally, blessedly expires:
MCKENNA (CONT'D)
(gasping)
I hate spiders. If... if it happens again -
RORY AND MCKENNA
(nod, in unison:)
Let's call Mom.
"Hybrids."
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ON THE SHIP -- MOVEMENT, NOW HATCHES begin to open. All around the exterior. Metal doors SLIDING UPWARD -- dark inside. Beckoning.
A CLATTER of assault rifles, SOLDIERS level their weapons...
THAT'S WHEN THE HYBRIDS EMERGE FROM THEIR PODS..!SWARMING. Some on four legs, some three. Some upright -- others SCUTTLING like crabs. So much smoke, so hard to see... The soldiers BLINDLY OPEN FIRE--!
TRAEGER
NO! NO! KEEP THEM ALIVE -- !
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 08, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
Keep in mind it's been awhile so I don't remember all of the details, and super endgame spoilers here...
Spoiler
Lynch is killed first from behind, standing on a ridge overlooking the ship. It's right after this that the Upgrade announces that it's letting everyone run into the woods, because it wants to hunt the "greatest warrior" (Rory, because he's incredibly intelligent).
For the life of me I don't remember how Nettles dies.
Traeger gets shot by the Upgrade.
Baxley and Coyle both get stabbed (Baxley's actually impaled high up on a tree). They have a love-hate-bromance the whole movie. They pull out their guns and each shoot the other at the same moment to end their misery.
Nebraska and Quinn both make it onto the Predator ship as it lifts off, but its shield activates. Quinn's below it and is safe, but it cuts Nebraska off at the knees and he goes flying off.
Spoiler
In the behind the scenes mtv thingy, Boyd Mentioned a death by being thrown into a chopper. Perhaps ironically that is Nettles death?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 12:16:34 AM
Spoiler
Poised in the hatch, mandibles extended. As McKenna watches -- Rory taps the code, the hatch SLAMS SHUT --
BISECTING THE SPIDER PREDATOR--!
But the front half? Still alive, STILL MOVING -
CASEY AND MCKENNA BLAST IT TO TATTERS. As the thing finally, blessedly expires:
MCKENNA (CONT'D)
(gasping)
I hate spiders. If... if it happens again -
RORY AND MCKENNA
(nod, in unison:)
Let's call Mom.
I know this particular excerpt is redundant now that the hybrids have been cut, but is the humor in the rest of the script like that? Because... yikes, corny. At least in my opinion. ???
Can anyone tell in the new trailer if that is jungle hunters mask in the display case? Or....god since we know that AVP is canon, could it possibly be scar's? I'm sort of stuck on the other mask in that case as well, it obviously can't be fugitives, since his was sent to Rory.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 09, 2018, 03:14:41 AM
I know this particular excerpt is redundant now that the hybrids have been cut, but is the humor in the rest of the script like that? Because... yikes, corny. At least in my opinion. ???
There's some good jokes, and some bad jokes.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 09, 2018, 03:25:47 AM
Can anyone tell in the new trailer if that is jungle hunters mask in the display case? Or....god since we know that AVP is canon, could it possibly be scar's? I'm sort of stuck on the other mask in that case as well, it obviously can't be fugitives, since his was sent to Rory.
It's definitely not Scar's. The mask doesn't have the acid markings.
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 09, 2018, 03:32:15 AM
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 09, 2018, 03:25:47 AM
Can anyone tell in the new trailer if that is jungle hunters mask in the display case? Or....god since we know that AVP is canon, could it possibly be scar's? I'm sort of stuck on the other mask in that case as well, it obviously can't be fugitives, since his was sent to Rory.
It's definitely not Scar's. The mask doesn't have the acid markings.
Man honestly....I'm not even sure that's jungle hunters either, seems a bit polished.
Couldn't be Jungle Hunter's, it would have been destroyed in the self destruct.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 09, 2018, 04:12:53 AM
Couldn't be Jungle Hunter's, it works have been destroyed in the self destruct.
it was dropped in the mud in a swamp area quite a ways from where Anytime blew up. Dutch managed to survive and he barely got over a lip in the terrain.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 04:19:09 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 09, 2018, 04:12:53 AM
Couldn't be Jungle Hunter's, it works have been destroyed in the self destruct.
it was dropped in the mud in a swamp area quite a ways from where Anytime blew up. Dutch managed to survive and he barely got over a lip in the terrain.
You may be right. That shoulder cannon is really starting to give that vibe it's the jungle hunters.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 09, 2018, 04:01:14 AM
Man honestly....I'm not even sure that's jungle hunters either, seems a bit polished.
Well, it was dropped in the swamp after all. You'd think they clean and polish it a bit, before putting it on display.
I see.
Can't say I'm broken up about the hybrids getting cut, just reminds me of that dumb ass stuff about the Predator with four arms.
The spiders I would have liked to see.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 09, 2018, 04:12:53 AM
Couldn't be Jungle Hunter's, it would have been destroyed in the self destruct.
If Dutch survived the explosion (he did not get too far away even if he ran), than the mask, the backpack and the plasmacaster also.
They were not at the same place where the explosion happened.
So, I think that mask displayed in Stargazer lab is the Jungle Hunter's mask (at least, that's the intention of the filmmakers). It is just polished maybe.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 06:21:23 AM
The spiders I would have liked to see.
I wouldn't have minded if they were something like the falcon drone.
I can't help much imagine that they were a Predator head on spider legs. Straight up Kenner.
Well, from the BTS photos they made me think of the head crabs from HL.
I kinda got the feeling that most of the hybrid stuff was Predator heads on weird amalgamated bodies.
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 08, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
Keep in mind it's been awhile so I don't remember all of the details, and super endgame spoilers here...
Spoiler
Lynch is killed first from behind, standing on a ridge overlooking the ship. It's right after this that the Upgrade announces that it's letting everyone run into the woods, because it wants to hunt the "greatest warrior" (Rory, because he's incredibly intelligent).
For the life of me I don't remember how Nettles dies.
Traeger gets shot by the Upgrade.
Baxley and Coyle both get stabbed (Baxley's actually impaled high up on a tree). They have a love-hate-bromance the whole movie. They pull out their guns and each shoot the other at the same moment to end their misery.
Nebraska and Quinn both make it onto the Predator ship as it lifts off, but its shield activates. Quinn's below it and is safe, but it cuts Nebraska off at the knees and he goes flying off.
Why in the hell did i started reading that ? I stupidly and naively thought it was from the old script ! Thankfully i stopped quickly, but i still got a glimpse at some new stuff, if true of course... :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 08, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
Those are the post-reshoot deaths.
Oh, so you're an insider maybe or one of those who saw the test screenings? Lucky you. :)
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 08, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
Keep in mind it's been awhile so I don't remember all of the details, and super endgame spoilers here...
Spoiler
Lynch is killed first from behind, standing on a ridge overlooking the ship. It's right after this that the Upgrade announces that it's letting everyone run into the woods, because it wants to hunt the "greatest warrior" (Rory, because he's incredibly intelligent).
For the life of me I don't remember how Nettles dies.
Traeger gets shot by the Upgrade.
Baxley and Coyle both get stabbed (Baxley's actually impaled high up on a tree). They have a love-hate-bromance the whole movie. They pull out their guns and each shoot the other at the same moment to end their misery.
Nebraska and Quinn both make it onto the Predator ship as it lifts off, but its shield activates. Quinn's below it and is safe, but it cuts Nebraska off at the knees and he goes flying off.
I don't care any more if I know the entire film, so please answer me if you can remember:
1. Upgrade is defeated the same way as in the script?
2. Does Traeger use his own plasmacaster (seen in the trailers) or he just carries it?
3. How does this "Upgrade lets the Loonies escape" go exactly? When and where do they "meet" at all?
Spoiler
In the script the Loonies do not made contact to the Upgrade, because they escape with a Winnebago right after the Fugitive dies.
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 09, 2018, 04:28:49 AM
Quote from: Dannyboy on Jul 09, 2018, 04:01:14 AM
Man honestly....I'm not even sure that's jungle hunters either, seems a bit polished.
Well, it was dropped in the swamp after all. You'd think they clean and polish it a bit, before putting it on display.
True, I was just starting to think....again that it might be scars biomask. Then again I'm just going to be optimistic and assume you're right, and they polished this up a bit. Of course this couldn't be scars, as there are no acid markings on it.
Who knows, Scar's mask could still show up. We only got one quick shot of the Predator display and we know there's a lot more gear that they could have gotten their hands on. The 2nd Predator basically dropped his whole gear in the city. :laugh:
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 09, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
Who knows, Scar's mask could still show up. Who only got one quick shot of the Predator display and we know there's a lot more gear that they could have gotten their hands on. The 2nd Predator basically dropped his whole gear in the city. :laugh:
Haha I know right? I'm assuming since they have CH spear thatthey would have his biomask, spear tip, plasma caster.......and lol his left forearm 😂😂😂
How ridiculous this final hunt will look on the screen. 10 foot invulnerable,invisible upgrade against people who by the ratio of sizes to it will be dwarfs and even with weapons will be defenseless. What kind of hunting is this? I hope the army will also participate in this absurdity. ;D
Quote from: black on Jul 09, 2018, 03:00:23 PM
What kind of hunting is this? I hope the army will also participate in this absurdity. ;D
The army is also cut out, so they won't. :)
EDIT:
What I can imagine is that the Stargazer mercenaries can play a part in 'hunting'/taking down the Upgrade (especially when we take ViewerAnon's comment into consideration regarding Traeger's death).
I fear this is what we might be looking at, 2-3 sequels down the line.
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 09, 2018, 03:10:00 PM
I fear this is what we might be looking at, 2-3 sequels down the line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfgmvMHc4us
The Hunt is Evolved... ;D
I have 2 questions for anyone who already knows about the final version of the movie:
1. Does the captured predator live longer throughout the film because of the script changes?
2. Are the two predators that help the heroes still in the movie?
???
Quote from: Latin_Hunter on Jul 09, 2018, 03:53:01 PM
I have 2 questions for anyone who already knows about the final version of the movie:
1. Does the captured predator live longer throughout the film because of the script changes?
2. Are the two predators that help the heroes still in the movie?
???
The answer to both of those questions is undoubtedly a big fat echoing NO.
The answer to question 2 comes from an article on the front page of the website. The answer to question 1 however is just plainly obvious.
I wonder if anyone is prepared for the backlash that'll come their way...
Spoiler
when the regular Predator gets his head removed by the 'bigger and badder' Predator, for the end time in a row.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 09, 2018, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 08, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
Those are the post-reshoot deaths.
Oh, so you're an insider maybe or one of those who saw the test screenings? Lucky you. :)
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 08, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
Keep in mind it's been awhile so I don't remember all of the details, and super endgame spoilers here...
Spoiler
Lynch is killed first from behind, standing on a ridge overlooking the ship. It's right after this that the Upgrade announces that it's letting everyone run into the woods, because it wants to hunt the "greatest warrior" (Rory, because he's incredibly intelligent).
For the life of me I don't remember how Nettles dies.
Traeger gets shot by the Upgrade.
Baxley and Coyle both get stabbed (Baxley's actually impaled high up on a tree). They have a love-hate-bromance the whole movie. They pull out their guns and each shoot the other at the same moment to end their misery.
Nebraska and Quinn both make it onto the Predator ship as it lifts off, but its shield activates. Quinn's below it and is safe, but it cuts Nebraska off at the knees and he goes flying off.
I don't care any more if I know the entire film, so please answer me if you can remember:
1. Upgrade is defeated the same way as in the script?
2. Does Traeger use his own plasmacaster (seen in the trailers) or he just carries it?
3. How does this "Upgrade lets the Loonies escape" go exactly? When and where do they "meet" at all? Spoiler
In the script the Loonies do not made contact to the Upgrade, because they escape with a Winnebago right after the Fugitive dies.
I haven't read the leaked script, unfortunately, and my knowledge of the original third act comes from one dude who saw it in November.
Spoiler
It's also been a few months since I've seen it.
1. Upgrade gets tag-teamed by Holbrook, Munn, and the kid. At a certain point he loses his arm. The "Come and get us, motherf**kers" line from the trailer was the last line in the cut I saw, just after they killed Upgrade.
2. I think Traeger just carries it. He's killed pretty quickly and without much fanfare. I was shocked because he seemed to warrant a "bigger" death.
3. After Upgrade kills the classic Predator, the Loonies escape and make it to a farmhouse/barn. There's some character building stuff here between everybody. Traeger tracks them own and takes them to the Predator ship he wants into, but Upgrade get there first.
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 09, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
I haven't read the leaked script, unfortunately, and my knowledge of the original third act comes from one dude who saw it in November.
Spoiler
It's also been a few months since I've seen it.
1. Upgrade gets tag-teamed by Holbrook, Munn, and the kid. At a certain point he loses his arm. The "Come and get us, motherf**kers" line from the trailer was the last line in the cut I saw, just after they killed Upgrade.
2. I think Traeger just carries it. He's killed pretty quickly and without much fanfare. I was shocked because he seemed to warrant a "bigger" death.
3. After Upgrade kills the classic Predator, the Loonies escape and make it to a farmhouse/barn. There's some character building stuff here between everybody. Traeger tracks them own and takes them to the Predator ship he wants into, but Upgrade get there first.
Thanks. :)
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So, Upgrade's takedown remained the same as in the script...and it's good I think. :)
Did it turn out why Traeger wanted to get to/into the Ark (Predator ship)? I'm asking because in the script it's the hybrids what the Military and Traeger wanted from the Ark. But we know, the hybrids are cut out, so I can not see the point why they need to get in the Ark.
Oh, one more: what about Sean Keyes' death? Loses his head and arm? ;)
It's a
Spoiler
spaceship,
dude. Why wouldn't you?
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 09, 2018, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 09, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
I haven't read the leaked script, unfortunately, and my knowledge of the original third act comes from one dude who saw it in November.
Spoiler
It's also been a few months since I've seen it.
1. Upgrade gets tag-teamed by Holbrook, Munn, and the kid. At a certain point he loses his arm. The "Come and get us, motherf**kers" line from the trailer was the last line in the cut I saw, just after they killed Upgrade.
2. I think Traeger just carries it. He's killed pretty quickly and without much fanfare. I was shocked because he seemed to warrant a "bigger" death.
3. After Upgrade kills the classic Predator, the Loonies escape and make it to a farmhouse/barn. There's some character building stuff here between everybody. Traeger tracks them own and takes them to the Predator ship he wants into, but Upgrade get there first.
Thanks. :)
Spoiler
So, Upgrade's takedown remained the same as in the script...and it's good I think. :)
Did it turn out why Traeger wanted to get to/into the Ark (Predator ship)? I'm asking because in the script it's the hybrids what the Military and Traeger wanted from the Ark. But we know, the hybrids are cut out, so I can not see the point why they need to get in the Ark.
Oh, one more: what about Sean Keyes' death? Loses his head and arm? ;)
Spoiler
I think Traeger just wants the Predator tech.
Keyes doesn't die! He gets hurt when the Classic Predator wakes up in the lab, but the last time we see him he's yelling at Munn to go after the Predator as it runs off.
The stuff you're saying Anon sounds a bit better. Like I've said before, the biggest problem with the character deaths were how none of the characters cared for when their friends/teammates died. It was literally someone getting blown away and then the others not even mentioning it. Hopefully that gets fixed in the final cut.
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 09, 2018, 07:17:46 PM
Spoiler
I think Traeger just wants the Predator tech.
Keyes doesn't die! He gets hurt when the Classic Predator wakes up in the lab, but the last time we see him he's yelling at Munn to go after the Predator as it runs off.
Oh, that's a surprise. :)
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Regaring the Fugitive Predator... Was there a fight between him an the Upgrade? Or the latter just simply kills the Fugitive (tears him apart in the script)?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 07:01:59 PM
It's a Spoiler
spaceship,
Yes, I thought about that... Of course,
Spoiler
the Ark is worth in it itself, I just wanted to know how they manage this part.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 09, 2018, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 09, 2018, 07:17:46 PM
Spoiler
I think Traeger just wants the Predator tech.
Keyes doesn't die! He gets hurt when the Classic Predator wakes up in the lab, but the last time we see him he's yelling at Munn to go after the Predator as it runs off.
Oh, that's a surprise. :)
Spoiler
Regaring the Fugitive Predator... Was there a fight between him an the Upgrade? Or the latter just simply kills the Fugitive (tears him apart in the script)?
Spoiler
From what I remember, the Classic Predator tells the others to run and shoots Upgrade with the plasma caster a few times but it has no effect and then Upgrade tears him apart.
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 09, 2018, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 09, 2018, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 09, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
I haven't read the leaked script, unfortunately, and my knowledge of the original third act comes from one dude who saw it in November.
Spoiler
It's also been a few months since I've seen it.
1. Upgrade gets tag-teamed by Holbrook, Munn, and the kid. At a certain point he loses his arm. The "Come and get us, motherf**kers" line from the trailer was the last line in the cut I saw, just after they killed Upgrade.
2. I think Traeger just carries it. He's killed pretty quickly and without much fanfare. I was shocked because he seemed to warrant a "bigger" death.
3. After Upgrade kills the classic Predator, the Loonies escape and make it to a farmhouse/barn. There's some character building stuff here between everybody. Traeger tracks them own and takes them to the Predator ship he wants into, but Upgrade get there first.
Thanks. :)
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So, Upgrade's takedown remained the same as in the script...and it's good I think. :)
Did it turn out why Traeger wanted to get to/into the Ark (Predator ship)? I'm asking because in the script it's the hybrids what the Military and Traeger wanted from the Ark. But we know, the hybrids are cut out, so I can not see the point why they need to get in the Ark.
Oh, one more: what about Sean Keyes' death? Loses his head and arm? ;)
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I think Traeger just wants the Predator tech.
Keyes doesn't die! He gets hurt when the Classic Predator wakes up in the lab, but the last time we see him he's yelling at Munn to go after the Predator as it runs off.
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There's a scientist in the script that was prominent with Traeger and was killed and his head was cut off to get thru the doors. Was he rewritten to be Keys?
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 09, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 09, 2018, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: ViewerAnon on Jul 09, 2018, 07:17:46 PM
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I think Traeger just wants the Predator tech.
Keyes doesn't die! He gets hurt when the Classic Predator wakes up in the lab, but the last time we see him he's yelling at Munn to go after the Predator as it runs off.
Oh, that's a surprise. :)
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Regaring the Fugitive Predator... Was there a fight between him an the Upgrade? Or the latter just simply kills the Fugitive (tears him apart in the script)?
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From what I remember, the Classic Predator tells the others to run and shoots Upgrade with the plasma caster a few times but it has no effect and then Upgrade tears him apart.
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Well that's more that what I thought. Maybe they've added more to their fight before he completely bites the dust.
I doubt anything has been added to the fight with the Fugitive Predator and the Upgrade. We know what the reshoots changed. An extended more meaningful fight between the two Predators was not part of those reshoots.
I would just love to be wrong though.
Who's to say they didn't do it right the first time around? I'm not expecting the fight go on for 10 minutes, just something a little bit more. Captured being slammed into the car is unscripted after all...
Imma try not to get my hopes too high for this though.
Well, I'd think that
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With the two friendlies gone and it just being Upgrade and Captured, I wouldn't be surprised if they added more to Captured's scenes to give us some more 'Predator time'. Seems pretty sparse, especially since the latter half of the movie exclusively features Upgrade...and lets be honest he doesn't count :laugh:
Quote from: Wysps on Jul 10, 2018, 04:59:16 AM
Well, I'd think that Spoiler
With the two friendlies gone and it just being Upgrade and Captured, I wouldn't be surprised if they added more to Captured's scenes to give us some more 'Predator time'. Seems pretty sparse, especially since the latter half of the movie exclusively features Upgrade...and lets be honest he doesn't count :laugh:
No he doesn't count! :laugh:
There will probably be plenty of good bits with Captured. Maybe give him some amusing expressions, which I like that Shane's even commented on the Jungle Hunter having great facial expressions. Makes me hopeful we'll be seeing more of this!
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 09, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
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From what I remember, the Classic Predator tells the others to run and shoots Upgrade with the plasma caster a few times but it has no effect and then Upgrade tears him apart.
Wow, so you also saw the test screening. :) Good for you! :)
Well...that's exactly what's in the script, so they did not change that. Thanks!
Quote from: germanator2 on Jul 09, 2018, 10:38:40 PM
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There's a scientist in the script that was prominent with Traeger and was killed and his head was cut off to get thru the doors. Was he rewritten to be Keys?
Yes, exactly. And according to the test-screening-viewers
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Keyes does NOT die, just gets injured.
So, it seems Fugitive gets out of the Stargazer lab chamber in a different way.
For all who saw the test screenings:
What are your opinions about the Upgrade's weapons/equipment?
I mean the ion-canon and the projectile arrow weapon (I think he has no more new gadgets). Are they cool to see them in action or just...you know..MEH? :)
I haven't read the script, and I'm not going to. But my question is, do we know for sure if the ending in the movie are going to be exactly the same as in the script?
No. We aren't going to know until we actually see it in the cinema.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2018, 10:14:55 AM
No. We aren't going to know until we actually see it in the cinema.
Perfect
For the record, I have not seen a Test Screening. What I was talking about earlier was from my memory regarding the Upgrade vs Classic/Fugitive Predator fight from the leaked script that came out.
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 10, 2018, 04:08:33 PM
For the record, I have not seen a Test Screening. What I was talking about earlier was from my memory regarding the Upgrade vs Classic/Fugitive Predator fight from the leaked script that came out.
10-4 MudButt.
Do you have any idea, how long I've been waiting to use that one legitimately? ;)
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 10, 2018, 05:33:17 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Jul 10, 2018, 04:59:16 AM
Well, I'd think that Spoiler
With the two friendlies gone and it just being Upgrade and Captured, I wouldn't be surprised if they added more to Captured's scenes to give us some more 'Predator time'. Seems pretty sparse, especially since the latter half of the movie exclusively features Upgrade...and lets be honest he doesn't count :laugh:
No he doesn't count! :laugh:
There will probably be plenty of good bits with Captured. Maybe give him some amusing expressions, which I like that Shane's even commented on the Jungle Hunter having great facial expressions. Makes me hopeful we'll be seeing more of this!
I'm hoping so too - at least to make up for the short amount of time that he's in the movie :-\
In the Collider article, Shane mentioned some stuff about humor in the Predator movies and facial expressions.
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BLACK: No, I just thought that it was a great, iconic alien. And, what separated it from other alien invasion movies wasn't just a space plot, it was an actual space creature with a mythos and a sense of honor, in some respect. A mission. And, a sense of humor, oddly. The idea of the game it plays. It's rare that the Predator shows humor, but there are moments where you see it almost look at someone like, 'really?'
Maybe we'll get something like this in the lab sequence at least ??? Hope so lol.
You know, I'd actually love to see one of the scientists hit the Predator with a metal tray. The Predator turns its head, for a brief moment there's just silence, and then the Predator backhands them. :laugh:
Quote from: Wysps on Jul 10, 2018, 05:52:03 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 10, 2018, 05:33:17 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Jul 10, 2018, 04:59:16 AM
Well, I'd think that Spoiler
With the two friendlies gone and it just being Upgrade and Captured, I wouldn't be surprised if they added more to Captured's scenes to give us some more 'Predator time'. Seems pretty sparse, especially since the latter half of the movie exclusively features Upgrade...and lets be honest he doesn't count :laugh:
No he doesn't count! :laugh:
There will probably be plenty of good bits with Captured. Maybe give him some amusing expressions, which I like that Shane's even commented on the Jungle Hunter having great facial expressions. Makes me hopeful we'll be seeing more of this!
I'm hoping so too - at least to make up for the short amount of time that he's in the movie :-\
In the Collider article, Shane mentioned some stuff about humor in the Predator movies and facial expressions.
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BLACK: No, I just thought that it was a great, iconic alien. And, what separated it from other alien invasion movies wasn't just a space plot, it was an actual space creature with a mythos and a sense of honor, in some respect. A mission. And, a sense of humor, oddly. The idea of the game it plays. It's rare that the Predator shows humor, but there are moments where you see it almost look at someone like, 'really?'
Maybe we'll get something like this in the lab sequence at least ??? Hope so lol.
Yes that's the article! I think we will, Shane seems to like those quirky details. Lol
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 10, 2018, 05:58:40 PM
You know, I'd actually love to see one of the scientists hit the Predator with a metal tray. The Predator turns its head, for a brief moment there's just silence, and then the Predator backhands them. :laugh:
I could totally see this happening! ;D
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 10, 2018, 05:58:40 PM
You know, I'd actually love to see one of the scientists hit the Predator with a metal tray. The Predator turns its head, for a brief moment there's just silence, and then the Predator backhands them. :laugh:
Only if it has Arnold's face on it. Some sort of "Last Action Hero" or "Terminator" novelty tray.
Haha that reminds me of the shot in the trailer where you see scientists restraining Captured and things seem to get tense, when you pause it you can almost tell some of them are saying to themselves "why the f**k did i sign up for this ?" :laugh:
There's even one dude in the background that could be saying "wait is he waking up ? Dafuq ?! I'm just a trainee !"
I have always wanted someone to make a movie, or a short about one of those background security or doctor/scientist assistants in the background who just happen to clock in the day the experiment gets loose. The day they almost called out sick, they get their arm ripped off haha.
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 10, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
I have always wanted someone to make a movie, or a short about one of those background security or doctor/scientist assistants in the background who just happen to clock in the day the experiment gets loose. The day they almost called out sick, they get their arm ripped off haha.
Cabin in the Woods isn't too far from that.
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 10, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
I have always wanted someone to make a movie, or a short about one of those background security or doctor/scientist assistants in the background who just happen to clock in the day the experiment gets loose. The day they almost called out sick, they get their arm ripped off haha.
Exactly :laugh:
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 10, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
I have always wanted someone to make a movie, or a short about one of those background security or doctor/scientist assistants in the background who just happen to clock in the day the experiment gets loose. The day they almost called out sick, they get their arm ripped off haha.
Arm ripped off and
beaten to death with it.
Just finished reading the draft of the script dated April 2016, and can't wait to see the final film. I know lots of you have already read this draft and probably newer drafts and know far more about the film than I do - so apologies if I'm way off track with certain aspects, but thought I'd share my thoughts.
My thoughts/concerns below (spoilers obviously)
What I liked:
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- It was a fun read, and much of that was down to Shane Black's style of writing which is very engaging.
- Overall the pace is good, there aren't really any quieter moments and the story runs at a fast pace and I wasn't bored at any point.
- The whole set-piece involving the fighter jets pursuing the Predator's ship before it crashes whilst still cloaked sounds like it will be amazing to see on a big screen
- Plenty of violence and creative 'death scenes' involving the different Predators and their technology.
- I liked the idea of the human characters communicating in basic terms with the 'good' Predators through the translation device.
- The 'bad' Predator (aka 'Upgrade') really does sound impressive - you definitely feel he is stronger, fast and more powerful than any other Predator before him.
What I disliked:
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- I didn't really feel like the 'good guys' had any real adversary that was formidable enough. Traeger generally plays things safe, and the 'bad' Predator (Upgrade) is after the arm-device-thingy for most of the script rather than specifically wanting to hunt/kill anybody. I never really felt that the main characters were in any real danger.
- It isn't 'scary'. There weren't any moments reading it that I thought it would be tense to see on screen or anything like that. It is very much a sci-fi/action script. Things move very fast and there are no real moments of quiet/tension etc.
- Olivia Munn's character (Casey) didn't really have any meaningful contribution. She makes a few observations to progress the story ("Maybe the Predator is playing possum" etc) but ultimately her character's apparent knowledge/expertise didn't really provide anything meaningful to resolution of the story. I guess that too applies to all of 'The Loonies' who are just there to make a few quips and then die one by one. Only Rory (the kid) and McKenna really solve any problems.
- The inclusion of all the hybrid creatures (e.g. the 'spider' creature). I've never seen anything like this done well on screen, and I fear we'll see yet more below-acceptable CG as a result.
- Lots of cliches/tropes - e.g. the bullied kid, the rag-tag group of mercs, the kid being a genius and solving problems the adults couldn't, the scary dog being a softy (happens twice with the dog and the Pred dog)
My concerns:
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- It might be too 'light' in terms of scares to please most Alien/Predator fans. Has a similar tone (in terms of the scares/tension) as Predators did.
- I hope the CG/VFX are of high enough quality considering how many VFX heavy scenes there are, especially with The Ark/Predator ship, and the hybrid creatures as well as the Pred dogs. Probably my biggest concern about the movie considering the reports about running out of budget for VFX and cutting scenes.
- I really hope they keep much of the violence in the script, as it's clearly a hallmark of the series. Moments like when the Predator escaping the facility uses the tech's head to pass through facial recognition, and Upgrade ripping the 'good' Pred's spine out etc. Will it be toned down a little for a slightly lower MPAA rating?
Conclusion:
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Just based on the April 2016 draft, this will be an enjoyable, fast paced popcorn flick with plenty of impressive set pieces and moments to please fans of the series. Plenty of violence and gore to please those looking for that sort of thing. However, this will almost certainly be more action orientated than slower paced/tension-filled like the first two films. As a 'Predator' film, it will satisfy fans, and as a violent sci-fi action movie it will also please, but this isn't a dark tension-filled sci-fi horror. In terms of comparing it to other films in the series, I would say the 'tone' of the movie will be closest to 'Predators' and AvP:R.
Score out of 10 (just based on the April 2016 draft alone):
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7/10
Thanks for you analyzing the script. :)
Quote from: bacchus on Aug 08, 2018, 02:19:35 AMWhat I liked:
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- The whole set-piece involving the fighter jets pursuing the Predator's ship before it crashes whilst still cloaked sounds like it will be amazing to see on a big screen
I really hope it's still in the movie after reshoots...
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 08, 2018, 07:27:44 AM
Thanks for you analyzing the script. :)
Quote from: bacchus on Aug 08, 2018, 02:19:35 AMWhat I liked:
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- The whole set-piece involving the fighter jets pursuing the Predator's ship before it crashes whilst still cloaked sounds like it will be amazing to see on a big screen
I really hope it's still in the movie after reshoots...
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It's the crash landing of the Upgrade's ship (mother ship),
so it still has to be in the film.
The 2nd
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F22 scene, which takes place between the Ark and the jets (rockets against the Ark, and the Ark retaliating)
is a more interesting question...I wonder if THIS scene remained in the final cut.
Quote from: bacchus on Aug 08, 2018, 02:19:35 AM
Just finished reading the draft of the script dated April 2016, and can't wait to see the final film. I know lots of you have already read this draft and probably newer drafts and know far more about the film than I do - so apologies if I'm way off track with certain aspects, but thought I'd share my thoughts.
My thoughts/concerns below (spoilers obviously)
What I liked:
Spoiler
- It was a fun read, and much of that was down to Shane Black's style of writing which is very engaging.
- Overall the pace is good, there aren't really any quieter moments and the story runs at a fast pace and I wasn't bored at any point.
- The whole set-piece involving the fighter jets pursuing the Predator's ship before it crashes whilst still cloaked sounds like it will be amazing to see on a big screen
- Plenty of violence and creative 'death scenes' involving the different Predators and their technology.
- I liked the idea of the human characters communicating in basic terms with the 'good' Predators through the translation device.
- The 'bad' Predator (aka 'Upgrade') really does sound impressive - you definitely feel he is stronger, fast and more powerful than any other Predator before him.
What I disliked:
Spoiler
- I didn't really feel like the 'good guys' had any real adversary that was formidable enough. Traeger generally plays things safe, and the 'bad' Predator (Upgrade) is after the arm-device-thingy for most of the script rather than specifically wanting to hunt/kill anybody. I never really felt that the main characters were in any real danger.
- It isn't 'scary'. There weren't any moments reading it that I thought it would be tense to see on screen or anything like that. It is very much a sci-fi/action script. Things move very fast and there are no real moments of quiet/tension etc.
- Olivia Munn's character (Casey) didn't really have any meaningful contribution. She makes a few observations to progress the story ("Maybe the Predator is playing possum" etc) but ultimately her character's apparent knowledge/expertise didn't really provide anything meaningful to resolution of the story. I guess that too applies to all of 'The Loonies' who are just there to make a few quips and then die one by one. Only Rory (the kid) and McKenna really solve any problems.
- The inclusion of all the hybrid creatures (e.g. the 'spider' creature). I've never seen anything like this done well on screen, and I fear we'll see yet more below-acceptable CG as a result.
- Lots of cliches/tropes - e.g. the bullied kid, the rag-tag group of mercs, the kid being a genius and solving problems the adults couldn't, the scary dog being a softy (happens twice with the dog and the Pred dog)
My concerns:
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- It might be too 'light' in terms of scares to please most Alien/Predator fans. Has a similar tone (in terms of the scares/tension) as Predators did.
- I hope the CG/VFX are of high enough quality considering how many VFX heavy scenes there are, especially with The Ark/Predator ship, and the hybrid creatures as well as the Pred dogs. Probably my biggest concern about the movie considering the reports about running out of budget for VFX and cutting scenes.
- I really hope they keep much of the violence in the script, as it's clearly a hallmark of the series. Moments like when the Predator escaping the facility uses the tech's head to pass through facial recognition, and Upgrade ripping the 'good' Pred's spine out etc. Will it be toned down a little for a slightly lower MPAA rating?
Conclusion:
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Just based on the April 2016 draft, this will be an enjoyable, fast paced popcorn flick with plenty of impressive set pieces and moments to please fans of the series. Plenty of violence and gore to please those looking for that sort of thing. However, this will almost certainly be more action orientated than slower paced/tension-filled like the first two films. As a 'Predator' film, it will satisfy fans, and as a violent sci-fi action movie it will also please, but this isn't a dark tension-filled sci-fi horror. In terms of comparing it to other films in the series, I would say the 'tone' of the movie will be closest to 'Predators' and AvP:R.
Score out of 10 (just based on the April 2016 draft alone): Spoiler
7/10
Haven't had the chance to read any drafts but based on part of this, I'm a little disappointed because...
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I thought this would be a good opportunity for Black to get away from the ridiculously overused (IMO) trope of all or most of the supporting hero cast getting foddered. Thought it was great how he acknowledged this and made a joke out of it in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang with Gay Perry at the end. Doubt I'll see it, but I'd prefer it if most of the loonies made it out alive. Especially since they're the underdogs, even compared to the characters in the earlier films. Why not do something unexpected, or at the very least different? >:(
Also, similarly...
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I'll be pretty pissed if they I Am Legend the Predator doggie, for the same reasons as above.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 08, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
Also, similarly...
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I'll be pretty pissed if they I Am Legend the Predator doggie, for the same reasons as above.
To answer that, based on the April 2016 draft...
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There are two Pred-doggies that Upgrade brings with him in his ship. The bad Pred-doggie is killed by The Loonies. The other Pred-doggie gets a pole impaled in its head which (amusingly) makes him a friendly Pred-doggie who acts more like a normal dog (wants to play fetch etc). It's involved in a few scenes later on involving playing fetch with grenades etc which help The Loonies. The 'good' Pred-doggie doesn't die and has some kind of bond with Casey (Olivia Munn's character) at the end of the script - she even threatens the soldiers that come to help them not to hurt 'her dog'.
Quote from: bacchus on Aug 08, 2018, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 08, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
Also, similarly...
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I'll be pretty pissed if they I Am Legend the Predator doggie, for the same reasons as above.
To answer that, based on the April 2016 draft...
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There are two Pred-doggies that Upgrade brings with him in his ship. The bad Pred-doggie is killed by The Loonies. The other Pred-doggie gets a pole impaled in its head which (amusingly) makes him a friendly Pred-doggie who acts more like a normal dog (wants to play fetch etc). It's involved in a few scenes later on involving playing fetch with grenades etc which help The Loonies. The 'good' Pred-doggie doesn't die and has some kind of bond with Casey (Olivia Munn's character) at the end of the script - she even threatens the soldiers that come to help them not to hurt 'her dog'.
Wowww I hope all this makes the final cut. I'd be cool with that. 👌
Honestly the dog stuff was pretty silly, i don't want to see that in the final movie. And regarding the loonies, i mean it's a predator movie, what else can you expect ?
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Maybe one will survive, but no more than one.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Honestly the dog stuff was pretty silly, i don't want to see that in the final movie. And regarding the loonies, i mean it's a predator movie, what else can you expect ? Maybe one will survive, but no more than one.
Exactly. It's what everyone expects, that's why I'd be open to something different for a change.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 08, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Honestly the dog stuff was pretty silly, i don't want to see that in the final movie. And regarding the loonies, i mean it's a predator movie, what else can you expect ? Maybe one will survive, but no more than one.
Exactly. It's what everyone expects, that's why I'd be open to something different for a change.
I mean it's coherent scenaristically
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that they almost all bite it considering the odds they are facing, and turning the tables just for the sake of surprise doesn't make much sense
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Honestly the dog stuff was pretty silly, i don't want to see that in the final movie. And regarding the loonies, i mean it's a predator movie, what else can you expect ? Spoiler
Maybe one will survive, but no more than one.
I actually hope they keep the Pred-doggie stuff in. In fact, that one dog was the only character I was really rooting for in the script to survive.
News - https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/07/06/avpgalaxy-exclusive-the-predator-reshot-3rd-act-details/
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"Only the Predator Dog mentioned in the recent set visits remains".
I think that means there's only one dog left.
:'(
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 08, 2018, 04:45:51 PM
News - https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/07/06/avpgalaxy-exclusive-the-predator-reshot-3rd-act-details/
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"Only the Predator Dog mentioned in the recent set visits remains".
I think that means there's only one dog left.
:'(
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Good to hear the dog is still in it - most of the scenes that involve the friendly Pred-dog are in the 2nd half of the script, and only briefly mentioned in the APC scene with the hybrids.
So going by that article, that whole APC scene has been cut, I imagine because it sounded like an expensive scene with all the creatures and effects. No major loss to the movie IMO, that sequence was probably about 3-5 minutes long at the most.
I wonder how much they will cut before that though - with the 'good' Predators in Area 52 and the scene in the football stadium after. Perhaps any inclusion of the two good Preds in the third act has been removed completely - it would be easy to do.
As long as the pred dog is not friendly i'm ok with that
Quote from: bacchus on Aug 08, 2018, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 08, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
Also, similarly...
Spoiler
I'll be pretty pissed if they I Am Legend the Predator doggie, for the same reasons as above.
To answer that, based on the April 2016 draft...
Spoiler
There are two Pred-doggies that Upgrade brings with him in his ship. The bad Pred-doggie is killed by The Loonies. The other Pred-doggie gets a pole impaled in its head which (amusingly) makes him a friendly Pred-doggie who acts more like a normal dog (wants to play fetch etc). It's involved in a few scenes later on involving playing fetch with grenades etc which help The Loonies. The 'good' Pred-doggie doesn't die and has some kind of bond with Casey (Olivia Munn's character) at the end of the script - she even threatens the soldiers that come to help them not to hurt 'her dog'.
Yikes, no offense to anyone who likes it but it sounds so corny to me. I usually dislike cutesy little gimmicks like this even if I enjoy the rest of the film.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 05:55:30 PM
As long as the pred dog is not friendly i'm ok with that
I'm pretty sure it still is... :( Wish it weren't the case.
Let's hope it will be reduced to an insignificant role at least
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 08, 2018, 04:45:51 PM
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"Only the Predator Dog mentioned in the recent set visits remains".
I think that means there's only one dog left.
:'(
I think not.
Just look at the Funko dogs...they are 2. The Green, the good one, and the Red, the bad one.
Most likely... :)
I just hope they kept
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She-Woman with her doggo companion. That moment was so pulpy and awesome. Sexy and badass, lady.
EDIT: That was supposed to be a spoiler.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 08, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Honestly the dog stuff was pretty silly, i don't want to see that in the final movie. And regarding the loonies, i mean it's a predator movie, what else can you expect ? Maybe one will survive, but no more than one.
Exactly. It's what everyone expects, that's why I'd be open to something different for a change.
I mean it's coherent scenaristically Spoiler
that they almost all bite it considering the odds they are facing, and turning the tables just for the sake of surprise doesn't make much sense
True enough. Just like it when there's good camaraderie, especially when it seems the cast gets along great, cause it translates onscreen. Bummer when they go. And with the master of humorous buddy action movies, you know there's gonna be characters where it will SUCK when they don't reach the finish line.
I was very happy to see a bit of the decontamination scene from the script in multiple trailers. ;D
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 09, 2018, 12:26:07 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 08, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Honestly the dog stuff was pretty silly, i don't want to see that in the final movie. And regarding the loonies, i mean it's a predator movie, what else can you expect ? Maybe one will survive, but no more than one.
Exactly. It's what everyone expects, that's why I'd be open to something different for a change.
I mean it's coherent scenaristically Spoiler
that they almost all bite it considering the odds they are facing, and turning the tables just for the sake of surprise doesn't make much sense
True enough. Just like it when there's good camaraderie, especially when it seems the cast gets along great, cause it translates onscreen. Bummer when they go. And with the master of humorous buddy action movies, you know there's gonna be characters where it will SUCK when they don't reach the finish line.
I feel ya but i guess
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it will make the death scenes more intense and emotional, which is a good thing that Predators almost didn't had for exemple
Not sure if the comment holds much weight, but i have read a comment from a guy who claims to have seen the movie in the last few days that there is a crazy twist at the end that sets up sequels??
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Aug 31, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Not sure if the comment holds much weight, but i have read a comment from a guy who claims to have seen the movie in the last few days that there is a crazy twist at the end that sets up sequels??
Can't wait for a good Predator twist! Where did you read this?
So in the script, for anyone that remembers, how was the Upgrade Predator defeated?
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Aug 31, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Not sure if the comment holds much weight, but i have read a comment from a guy who claims to have seen the movie in the last few days that there is a crazy twist at the end that sets up sequels??
You are asking or saying? :)
Did this guy say something about that twist?
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 31, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
So in the script, for anyone that remembers, how was the Upgrade Predator defeated?
Quite an interesting way...as a result of a so-called team work. First Rory activates the Ark's shield which cuts Upgrade's arm (the right arm IIRC, the one on which he carries the harpoon weapon). Later McKenna finds the this arm and somehow uses the harpoon weapon against Upgrade. He hits him in Upgrade's leg. Casey arrives later with the self-desturctive dog collar and throws it onto Upgrade. It explodes and injures Upgrade seriously but he remains alive. A little "conversation" between McKenna and Upgrade and finally McKenna shoots Upgrade through his eye with his sniper rifle. That shot kills Upgrade.
Of course this process does not last for seconds...it is a longer scene.
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 31, 2018, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Aug 31, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Not sure if the comment holds much weight, but i have read a comment from a guy who claims to have seen the movie in the last few days that there is a crazy twist at the end that sets up sequels??
You are asking or saying? :)
Did this guy say something about that twist?
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 31, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
So in the script, for anyone that remembers, how was the Upgrade Predator defeated?
Quite an interesting way...as a result of a so-called team work. First Rory activates the Ark's shield which cuts Upgrade's arm (the right arm IIRC, the one on which he carries the harpoon weapon). Later McKenna finds the this arm and somehow uses the harpoon weapon against Upgrade. He hits him in Upgrade's leg. Casey arrives later with the self-desturctive dog collar and throws it onto Upgrade. It explodes and injures Upgrade seriously but he remains alive. A little "conversation" between McKenna and Upgrade and finally McKenna shoots Upgrade through his eye with his sniper rifle. That shot kills Upgrade.
Of course this process does not last for seconds...it is a longer scene.
Spoiler tag dude.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 31, 2018, 12:37:54 PM
Spoiler tag dude.
This is a spoiler topic...displayed in topic name. No need for spoiler tag.
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 31, 2018, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 31, 2018, 12:37:54 PM
Spoiler tag dude.
This is a spoiler topic...displayed in topic name. No need for spoiler tag.
And yet the person who started the thread was courteous enough to lead off with one. All good, though.
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 08, 2018, 01:33:00 PM
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 08, 2018, 07:27:44 AM
Thanks for you analyzing the script. :)
Quote from: bacchus on Aug 08, 2018, 02:19:35 AMWhat I liked:
Spoiler
- The whole set-piece involving the fighter jets pursuing the Predator's ship before it crashes whilst still cloaked sounds like it will be amazing to see on a big screen
I really hope it's still in the movie after reshoots...
Spoiler
It's the crash landing of the Upgrade's ship (mother ship),
The 2nd Spoiler
F22 scene, which takes place between the Ark and the jets (rockets against the Ark, and the Ark retaliating)
No need for spoiler tags, huh?
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 31, 2018, 02:25:42 PM
No need for spoiler tags, huh?
If you wanna argue then...just go on. I won't.
Do not tell me you haven't made any mistakes in your life.
No need for spoiler tag in a spoiler topic. Case closed.
Enough please. There's a spoiler tag on the thread title. We don't enforce further tags inside.
Quote from: Xerxész on Aug 31, 2018, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 31, 2018, 02:25:42 PM
No need for spoiler tags, huh?
If you wanna argue then...just go on. I won't.
Do not tell me you haven't made any mistakes in your life.
No need for spoiler tag in a spoiler topic. Case closed.
Didn't mean to make you mad. Just was wondering what made you leave off the tag this time. Also wondering why you wrote "No need for spoiler tag," right after mentioning making a mistake about it.
Was the mistake leaving the tag on, or taking it off?
Feeling a little forgetful today.
In the old script, did they ever reveal why fugitive predator was on earth other than the boy crashing the ship, and why upgrade was hunting him ?
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 05:21:24 PM
Feeling a little forgetful today.
In the old script, did they ever reveal why fugitive predator was on earth other than the boy crashing the ship, and why upgrade was hunting him ?
He steals the Ark from Upgrade/Assassin with the 8 hybrid creatures and the Kujhad (that strange Predator thing Rory is playing with in the first trailer) on it. He starts the Ark's self-destruction process but something goes wrong so he decides to escape and the process aborts when he is in Earth's orbit. It's not clear why he "chooses" Earth (most likely the scriptwriter's idea).
Assassin is after Fugitive because of the Kujhad. When he takes it back he releases the 8 hybrid creatures from the Ark and goes after the 2 Friendly Predators. After killing them Assassin tries to find the most evolved human warrior.
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 01, 2018, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 05:21:24 PM
Feeling a little forgetful today.
In the old script, did they ever reveal why fugitive predator was on earth other than the boy crashing the ship, and why upgrade was hunting him ?
He steals the Ark from Upgrade/Assassin with the 8 hybrid creatures and the Kujhad (that strange Predator thing Rory is playing with in the first trailer) on it. He starts the Ark's self-destruction process but something goes wrong so he decides to escape and the process aborts when he is in Earth's orbit. It's not clear why he "chooses" Earth (most likely the scriptwriter's idea).
Assassin is after Fugitive because of the Kujhad. When he takes it back he releases the 8 hybrid creatures from the Ark and goes after the 2 Friendly Predators. After killing them Assassin tries to find the most evolved human warrior.
I thought he arrived via a smaller ship docked in the ark
So esentially, he stole the ark and upgrade arrived in a seperare ship ?
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 05:41:34 PM
I thought he arrived via a smaller ship docked in the ark
So esentially, he stole the ark and upgrade arrived in a seperare ship ?
Exactly.
There are 2 ships (in the final film also): the Assassin's mother ship and the Ark...the latter is a much smaller ship. Fugitive arrives at Earth with the Ark (actually with the Ark's escape pod, and the Ark automatically lands on an unknown area in cloak mode) and later Assassin arrives with the mother ship.
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 01, 2018, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 05:41:34 PM
I thought he arrived via a smaller ship docked in the ark
So esentially, he stole the ark and upgrade arrived in a seperare ship ?
Exactly.
There are 2 ships (in the final film also): the Assassin's mother ship and the Ark...the latter is a much smaller ship. Fugitive arrives at Earth with the Ark (actually with the Ark's escape pod, and the Ark automatically lands on an unknown area in cloak mode) and later Assassin arrives with the mother ship.
Ah, i thought the ark was the mothership. Thanks.
I guess then essentially fugitive and upgrade were allies/on the same ship before fugitive stole the ark
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 06:20:05 PM
Ah, i thought the ark was the mothership. Thanks.
Just for clarification.
This is the Ark. No other picture/footage were shown about it yet.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kepfeltoltes.eu%2Fimages%2Fhdd1%2F2018%2F09%2F01%2F676ark.jpg&hash=ea3eca8f498e5689e6b2780b936e0f957db05f01) (http://www.kepfeltoltes.eu/view.php?filename=676ark.jpg)
Any other ships you saw in trailers, TV spots are about Assassin's ship...the mother ship.
Of course the interiors are in question...because most likely they both look the same or very similar from inside.
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 06:20:05 PM
I guess then essentially fugitive and upgrade were allies/on the same ship before fugitive stole the ark ?
I don't think so. Fugitive wanted to destruct the hybrids and you know...Assassin is also a hybrid.
They are enemies. Separate clans.
Fugitive is against the hybridization, Assassin is not.
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 01, 2018, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 06:20:05 PM
Ah, i thought the ark was the mothership. Thanks.
Just for clarification.
This is the Ark. No other picture/footage were shown about it yet.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kepfeltoltes.eu%2Fimages%2Fhdd1%2F2018%2F09%2F01%2F676ark.jpg&hash=ea3eca8f498e5689e6b2780b936e0f957db05f01) (http://www.kepfeltoltes.eu/view.php?filename=676ark.jpg)
Any other ships you saw in trailers, TV spots are about Assassin's ship...the mother ship.
Of course the interiors are in question...because most likely they both look the same or very similar from inside.
Quote from: Subs360 on Sep 01, 2018, 06:20:05 PM
I guess then essentially fugitive and upgrade were allies/on the same ship before fugitive stole the ark ?
I don't think so. Fugitive wanted to destruct the hybrids and you know...Assassin is also a hybrid.
They are enemies. Separate clans.
Fugitive is against the hybridization, Assassin is not.
Thanks for the explanation,isn't Fugitive himself also mix with human DNA(considered as hybrid)?
He was in the script. Don't know how it is now .
Quote from: Lotus on Sep 01, 2018, 06:52:23 PM
Thanks for the explanation,isn't Fugitive himself also mix with human DNA(considered as hybrid)?
Yes, he is...according to the script.
We don't know if this aspect was changed in the final film.
I'd assume that they'd keep Fugitive's hybridization in the final cut. Wasn't that kind of the main reason behind the Fugitive and Upgrade having access to the same vessel? It would also help to further explain Fugitive's different dread texture and the weird variegation in his skin (especially on the torso.)
The dreads having texture I would consider a design development, not anything more.
As well as the crustacean texture present on the torso.
The dreadlocks originally had a little texture to them, just not as pronounced as this. I think AvP was the first time they were actually smooth.
I'd say the body was an intentional design difference to tell the story, rather than "this is what all Predators look like now."
Rather than start a new thread,and we dont require spoilers, i'm gonna take a stab at how the film will go..
I think the movie will start with Quinn being interogated, and it will be flashbacks to what happened in Mexico, and how he ended up there etc.
the final cut will revolve less around Rory, and more Quinn, Traeger and the Loonies.
Order of Death will go Lynch, Baxley, Coyle, Traeger, and Nettles. Nebraska will survive somehow although badly wounded.
There will be a 3rd Predator involved that helps Quinn & Casey kill the Upgrade!
Clearly adding more than 2 Predators isn't important, seeing as the friendly Predators were removed entirely. If they were cut, I doubt they'd give time for another.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 02, 2018, 07:29:28 AM
Order of Death will go Lynch, Baxley, Coyle, Traeger, and Nettles. Nebraska will survive somehow although badly wounded.
Quite sure the order is correct. Maybe Coyle forgoes Baxley but they are always together so it doesn't count.
Spoiler
And Nebraska won't survive.
Sean Keyes will be the survivor.
this can be found by a google search now :o