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QuoteWhen the enigmatic television series "Lost" came to a close two years ago, show co-creator Damon Lindelof thought he was done working on scripts with shadowy plot lines. Then he got an offer to write "Prometheus," a Ridley Scott-directed science-fiction film whose story has been kept tightly under wraps since its inception.
"Coming out of 'Lost,' I was like, 'What a relief it'll be to leave mystery and secretiveness behind,'" recalled the 38-year-old, who also was one of the writers who penned last year's "Cowboys & Aliens." "Then I found myself in the same situation, and I thought, 'Here we go again.'"
Months before the film's June release, little is still known in Hollywood about the 3-D "Prometheus," whose ensemble cast includes Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Charlize Theron and Idris Elba. The movie was initially billed as a prequel to Scott's 1979 hit "Alien," but the filmmaker and the studio behind the picture, 20th Century Fox, have since tried to distance it from that label.
"Alien," which starred Sigourney Weaver, centered on scientists who encounter extraterrestrials while exploring an alien planet. "Prometheus," meanwhile, has explorers seeking the origins of human civilization to save future generations of mankind.
What the two do have in common, Lindelof said, is that the universe in which each takes place shares a similar aesthetic. When the writer signed on to the film, Scott was already deep into discussions with production designer Arthur Max, whose résumé includes work on "Se7en" and "Gladiator." Scott took Lindelof to what he described as a "thick, dramatic vault door" where five twentysomethings who "looked like they were playing video games" were rendering images of planets, creatures and space suits.
"The movie is definitely epic in its scope. One of the filmmakers that we ended up talking about to a fair degree of redundancy was David Lean, who directed 'Lawrence of Arabia,'" he said. "We wanted to make the movie feel big by having the characters be small in big spaces. That connected to the larger themes we were talking about — that we're all just these little gnats crawling around on our little planet.
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Look at those guys... :o
OMG, is this real? If so that just proved a point I was making. That they were statues and it looked kind of like an Ancient Rome type deal with just alot of statues and all. And that would prove alot since they said they had an Italian sculptor come in and do some work. Just saying.... Anthony
I need confirmation that this is in fact real people. This looks a little to good to be true and she almost looks like she doesnt belong in that picture. and the wall behind the statues looks weird for some odd reason you know... Anthony
Suits you sir - ooh!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1fMf8CB7jE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1fMf8CB7jE#)
Look at the backs of the Space Jockey suits too, they appear quite large and as if they fit into something - the chair maybe?
i've seen the pic on another site being reported as legit, but i can see why you would say it looks fake.
Just astronaut suits thats what they are but for bigger humanoids.
vaginas all over the walls....and those statues...Giger is ALL over this shit!
Think it looks funny because its a staged production photo rather than a shot from the film itself.
Two things of interest besides the statues.
1. Looks like a shoulder cam on her left side.
2. Check out the insignia on her left arm, reads 'Weyland Me(?)'
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My kneejerk reaction to Space Jockeys with boots is, well, less than positive. But I do think they look like they were possibly inspired by Giger's "Swiss Made" alien spacesuit. Wonder what they look like in action.
"Weyland Messiah", you even see an angel on it :laugh:
Great picture. Things are shaping up nicely. :)
Quote from: csm1013 on Jan 14, 2012, 10:07:39 PM
2. Check out the insignia on her left arm, reads 'Weyland Me(?)'
Probably Weyland Inc. or Weyland Int. or something. It's kinda fuzzy.
Is anyone else having a problem saving this image on your computer? I've tried it a few times now, with both Chrome and Firefox, from three different links and even restarted the damn computer, but it just saves as a tiny black box. What the hell? ???
Other pics work just fine.
Quote from: csm1013 on Jan 14, 2012, 10:07:39 PM
2. Check out the insignia on her left arm, reads 'Weyland Me(?)'
It's "WEYLAND MEGACORP"--you can see the full insignia in some other stills, I believe.
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 14, 2012, 10:11:21 PM
Is anyone else having a problem saving this image on your computer? I've tried it a few times now, with both Chrome and Firefox, from three different links and even restarted the damn computer, but it just saves as a tiny black box. What the hell? ???
Other pics work just fine.
^ Same problem Laufey. I saved it and went to My Pictures and the image is blank. And I am using
Opera as my browser.
... and flavored lube in her pocket. This movie will be 100% Giger!
Saving works here, Windows 7 / Firefox.
Where have you ever seen "Megacorp" on an officical image?
I vote for "Weyland Messiah", i mean look at this angel logo... Lindelof again - like in Lost we will get timetravel and...
Spoiler
THEY ARE ALL DEAD
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Quote from: First Blood on Jan 14, 2012, 10:15:20 PM^ Same problem Laufey. I saved it and went to My Pictures and the image is blank. And I am using Opera as my browser.
Weird. I gave up and just took a screencap instead. :laugh:
Dude! Hell yes! I really do like the look of that suit. Aggghhhh, my fanboyism is exploding today. First with A:CM and now Prometheus. :laugh:
If anyone other than me and First Blood are having trouble saving the picture, try this instead.
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You can see it clearly in the eye reflection:
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Pity about the compression on this - it's really hard to make out details. I do notice that the 'suits' have strange right arms - look at the wrist on the left arm of each, and then see how straight the right arms are - no wrist at all. Almost as though the right arms have some kind of attachment. It also looks as though there are more suits behind Shaw but it's impossible to be sure. This would lend itself to the statue idea, having statuesque 'sentinels' at the entryway to the pilots room.
-Chris
Yes, behind her as well:
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Might be that there are 4 for 4 lifeforms from the 4 "sarcophagus" around the chair.
One open from Mr. Vin Diesel, his suit lies in the ampule room.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 14, 2012, 10:50:13 PM
Pity about the compression on this - it's really hard to make out details. I do notice that the 'suits' have strange right arms - look at the wrist on the left arm of each, and then see how straight the right arms are - no wrist at all. Almost as though the right arms have some kind of attachment. It also looks as though there are more suits behind Shaw but it's impossible to be sure. This would lend itself to the statue idea, having statuesque 'sentinels' at the entryway to the pilots room.
-Chris
To quote 'Danny Witwer' from 'Monority Report':-
"This is what we call an orgy of evidence."
How bizarre to be given such an obvious image of The Space Jockey Suit this early. I seriously believe that Hollywood wants us to 'get over' the original ALIEN Space Jockey skeleton A.S.A.F.P. so as to serve the story of Prometheus as conveniently as possible.
...D-dddamn.
It's.. pictures like these that makes me disappointed the 79 Jockey is a suit.
well i set it as a desktop wallpaper then copied the file in the mozilla directory and then edited it back into .jpg.
looks like the picture was saved that way on purpose.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 10:58:06 PM
...D-dddamn.
It's.. pictures like these that makes me disappointed the 79 Jockey is a suit.
Sorry to come off as ignorant, but when was it established the 79 was a suit?
Quote from: csm1013 on Jan 14, 2012, 11:05:32 PM
Sorry to come off as ignorant, but when was it established the 79 was a suit?
"Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn't a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?"Source (http://filmophilia.com/2011/12/17/interview-ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-giger-beginning-of-man-and-original-alien/)
Actually having to quote these words is almost like a self-stab. Grrrrkkkk.
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Could use this for a Metroid movie. Awesome.
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Quote from: csm1013 on Jan 14, 2012, 11:05:32 PM
Sorry to come off as ignorant, but when was it established the 79 was a suit?
"Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn't a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?"
Source (http://filmophilia.com/2011/12/17/interview-ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-giger-beginning-of-man-and-original-alien/)
Actually having to quote these words is almost like a self-stab. Grrrrkkkk.
Sorry bout that, thanks for the info!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: csm1013 on Jan 14, 2012, 11:05:32 PM
Sorry to come off as ignorant, but when was it established the 79 was a suit?
"Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn't a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?"
Source (http://filmophilia.com/2011/12/17/interview-ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-giger-beginning-of-man-and-original-alien/)
Actually having to quote these words is almost like a self-stab. Grrrrkkkk.
That was a suit. A suit with GUMBOOTS! I won't accept it. If Ridley is gonna tell us that the 79 SJ was wearing gumboots, well... it better be done right.
-Chris
EDIT: less speckled version here: http://pic.prometheusforum.net/noomi-jockey-suit.jpg (http://pic.prometheusforum.net/noomi-jockey-suit.jpg)
Quote from: csm1013 on Jan 14, 2012, 11:14:14 PM
Sorry bout that, thanks for the info!
No problem. I wish I could still tell you it was something whispered backstage some years ago and never heard of again.
As much as some of us--myself included--are complaining about the Jockey being a suit, I think it's important to remember it was always conceived of as being such. Giger even stated as much in an old interview, indicating that the trunk is actually an airhose for the humanoid inside to breathe through. His original concept art for the Jockey even included a translucent helmet around the head:
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Well fox are certainly letting us see plenty of engineer/space jockey related material, well happy with that, i think they're gradually trying to do a balancing act of keeping the core base alien fans happy alongside introducing this as a grand mythology to a new generation of a fans. But those statues behind Noomi look great, Scott seems to have hit the nail on the head with the lighting too, imagine how freaky those 'statues' look in 3D, and believe me i'm on the fence about 3D usually. One thing though, it's hard too make out do you think the anaemic Dr Manhatten can fit into one of them?
Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 14, 2012, 11:31:12 PM
As much as some of us--myself included--are complaining about the Jockey being a suit, I think it's important to remember it was always conceived of as being such. Giger even stated as much in an old interview, indicating that the trunk is actually an airhose for the humanoid inside to breathe through. His original concept art for the Jockey even included a translucent helmet around the head:
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The last would be a hint that it was supposed to be a creature itself.
What Giger said about the Jockey was this...
"The creature we finally ended up building is biomechanical to the extent that he has physically grown into, or maybe even out of, his seat – he's integrated totally into the function he performs."Which is not exactly saying it was a suit. Where did he say about this airhose thing?
Nice avatar by the way. :)
Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 14, 2012, 11:31:12 PM
As much as some of us--myself included--are complaining about the Jockey being a suit, I think it's important to remember it was always conceived of as being such. Giger even stated as much in an old interview, indicating that the trunk is actually an airhose for the humanoid inside to breathe through. His original concept art for the Jockey even included a translucent helmet around the head:
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I agree with you in part - but we need a DAMNED good reason as to why he is so 'snuggly' connected to this machine? I like my PC, but jeez....
Also, as I mentioned earlier, the Jockey suit design looks somewhat similar to Giger's earlier spacesuit design from an earlier short film. Unfortunately, in the process of moving back to the US from the UK I had to leave many of my Giger art books behind that had more detailed images, including a better look at his boots, but I did manage to dig up and scan this from an old issue of Cinefantastique:
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Quote from: 180924609 on Jan 14, 2012, 11:36:26 PM
I like my PC, but jeez....
For photorealistic por...uhm graphics !
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
The last would be a hint that it was supposed to be a creature itself.
What Giger said about the Jockey was this...
"The creature we finally ended up building is biomechanical to the extent that he has physically grown into, or maybe even out of, his seat – he's integrated totally into the function he performs."
Which is not exactly saying it was a suit. Where did he say about this airhose thing?
It's an old print interview he did, I believe. Read it ages ago. Currently digging through my far-too-extensive ALIEN library to find it :P
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Nice avatar by the way. :)
Thanks! ;D
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The movie was initially billed as a prequel to Scott's 1979 hit "Alien," but the filmmaker and the studio behind the picture, 20th Century Fox, have since tried to distance it from that label.
Does anyone else find it odd that they are STILL trying play down the fact that this is a prequel?
It really doesnt matter how cool the SJ suit is. OK, its giant, but so what? Na'vi Jake Sully was a giant but after about 10 seconds of him being on screen you forgot that and visually treat him as just a regular guy (but colored blue).
The fact of the matter is that, in ALIEN, when Dallas, Kane and Lambert first encountered the SJ:
Underneath he was just a bald man with a nose, two ears, two eyes, a neck etc. Alien? What an insult! Its worse than Darth Vader being the creator of C3PO.
Does the Space Jockey have a Coccyx tailbone?
Quote from: 180924609 on Jan 14, 2012, 11:58:10 PM
The fact of the matter is that, in ALIEN, when Dallas, Kane and Lambert first encountered the SJ:
Underneath he was just a bald man with a nose, two ears, two eyes, a neck etc. Alien? What an insult! Its worse than Darth Vader being the creator of C3PO.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I still think we have good reason to stay cautiously optimistic. The design of the Engineer may be, well,
underwhelming (to put it
extremely mildly), but perhaps what he does in the story may make up for that.
very dissapointed to find out in the end after all these years... the space jockey was just a a bold guy in a suit. well there goes the last little good thing that was left in the alien franchise, oh well.
It's made me feel ill thinking about a group of five twenty somethings pouring out concept designs. The concept designers for Alien were a bit more mature in age than that. Who wants to think of designing for Alien movies being like playing computer games?
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
It's potentially bad because the original, iconic Giger design of the Space Jockey, and all the mystery surrounding it, has essentially been reduced to this:
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You have no clue what species this is, how they act, what they do...me myself i would love to see the SJ as something inspired by Lovecraft, something like Cthulhu. Will i get it? Seems not...i haven't seen the whole thing so i can't judge it yet, simple as that.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Jan 15, 2012, 12:38:36 AM
You have no clue what species this is, how they act, what they do...me myself i would love to see the SJ as something inspired by Lovecraft, something like Cthulhu. Will i get it? Seems not...i haven't seen the whole thing so i can't judge it yet, simple as that.
You may not get Cthulhu, but everything we know about PROMETHEUS so far looks like it is heavily inspired by
At the Mountains of Madness. :)
Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 14, 2012, 11:31:12 PM
As much as some of us--myself included--are complaining about the Jockey being a suit, I think it's important to remember it was always conceived of as being such. Giger even stated as much in an old interview, indicating that the trunk is actually an airhose for the humanoid inside to breathe through. His original concept art for the Jockey even included a translucent helmet around the head:
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Yeah, right. Please show me official records, transcript, interview, whatever...in which Giger stated this information. If and when you do, I will make sure I eat crow.
I kind of like how the suits spine appears to be able to fit into the walls; very similar to how the aliens live in the walls of the hive.
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ThisBethesdaSea
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
Why does a God NEED a nose to breathe oxygen?
Why does a God NEED two ears to 'hear sound energy reverberating through the medium of air' when, presumably being a God, he can just instantaniously intercept ALL thoughts and notions before they are even uttered.
Is this 'Space Kojak' God composed of atoms (and sub-atomic particles) or is he some other form of energy that human science didnt need to bother applying such efforts to understand?
Does Space Kojak have, errrrm, a MEMBER to pro-create? Or is he ETERNAL? But wait, surely thats the whole point of evolution on Earth --> we all live forever THROUGH OUR GENES. We pass on the BEST bits of us to the next generation, through sexual reproduction based on the most favourable current environmental conditions.
[Is that enough?]
This is becoming extremely intriguing.
It would be enough if a side angle, hardly defined image of a humanoid was all we are and we're ever going to see of it. No, we have an image of a something, something witihout context or explanation that so many people are up in arms over. That's what I don't get. I'd actually like to see this film before prematurely judging elements of it without cause or merit.
I think he is funny...refers to god from the human view all the time but ignores the part that says "God created men in his image" :laugh:
Oh, and i don't think this movie will 'bout our interpretation of god.
Hmm, ok so my childhood freaking out of weird thing that was sitting there being half chair half totally alien stuff from dark space are reduced to ash.
No more looking up to the stars imagining somewhere in the depths of the space these things scream with their unearthly voices while joined to their own machinery.
Its f**king elephant man in rainboots. Ok I can bet either Lindeloff or the other came up with the stupid idea of raping my childhood terror. Take your ancient astronaut and put it up your ass please lol.
As I watch it more and more they are raping Gigers ideas more and more, looks like jealous artists. Giger came up with brilliant idea nad they simply won't let him work on his own concepts. Every new person jsut takes bits of his genial work and deforms it into some shit. Only the ribs and skeleton is left from the original.
Many of you will probably not understand why I am ranting, but I saw SJ first at the age of 8 and it had HUGE impact ;]
Son I am very dissapoint.
*CRY*
You're only disappointed because what you want the space jockeys to be POSSIBLY aren't. This is on you, not Ridley. This film will be brilliant I hope.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
This is why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws)
:)
It was called '
Alien' for a reason - it represented extraterrestrial biology
and technology which was
literally alien to everything we knew. Alien in mentality. Alien in all possible comprehension.
Few things exemplify this better than Ash's famous speech. The lessons of which applied just as much to the derelict as the creature aboard the Nostromo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxKGxNmWz4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxKGxNmWz4#ws)
"I admire its purity... A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality."
Making the Space Jockey look so much like us is a proverbial double-edged sword: In one sense, it reinforces the haunting 'gods made us in the image of themselves' philosophy, but it
also detracts from the sheer power of that original thematic narrative.
I'm a fan of trying to put the ET interventionist hypothesis into a legitimately epic film. There's a lot of scope for it. But I think it was a mistake shoe-horning the Space Jockeys, themselves, into that role.
On the other hand, we haven't got any definitive proof that the bald character(s) are one and the same as what goes inside the suits. For all we know, it could be a facehugger/chestburster-like creature which does so. The original prop was geared towards the ideal of something in a symbiotic relationship with the ship, after all. No reason it couldn't essentially be 'controlled' by a symbiotic relationship with a smaller creature.
I do remember that the earliest rumours appeared to suggest that the Space Jockeys and Engineers were going to be two distinctly different species, which gives me hope.
With that said, the boots on these creatures/statues don't do much for me, design-wise...
WHAT IF WE ARE ALL WRONG!!!!!!
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ITS she Kojak!
Its a cool picture.... I love the details...the way the walls are created... Living metal... I bet in original scene... much more dark... and hidden...and as we all know... All these humans in this movie are not important..we want to see the Alien World .....
Wow, very awesome picture! Creepy, very creepy, and the suits/statues look really great!
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
I kow. They're hating the movie before even seeing it. It's not even that bid of a deal.
wait a minute........another suit for Elizabeth Shaw? now this one is the same as the last image but now
all blue? maybe the suit lines change color for different atmosphere, or this movie has some stages of pre-production
selecting the right space suit?
The fact that the jockey is a humanoid in a suit is more intriguing, other wise we have your conventional sci fi horror/thriller. What's wrong with that? nothing at all, but Scott and his team are creating something that is multi-lateral in the respect we have one lifeform how does it behave? what's it's purpose?. Then it fuses biomechanically into another suit,shell whatever you want to label it as, which looks different and is necessary for this lifeform to carry out it's purpose. Each time new questions arise, Scott is pulling us the viewer in and tugging at our thought strings. Not many films, hardly if any do that nowadays at all. If Scott and his team can pull this one off, it may very well be THE film of the year, it's only real strong contender is The Dark Knight Rises. I think Fox need to start doing a bit of viral advertising though, maybe some Weyland Website stuff. They're probably still deciding weather to show the pg13 or R rated version and maybe that's why theyre holding back a bit from the promoting of the film to determine it's core audience. I'm not the biggest fan of sanitising films for a more universal audience, but from what i've seen here tone wise and Lindeloff has indicated in the past it's not going to be gory, it may well do the job at PG 13 if it's a more psychological science fiction thriller. Prometheus is going to ask so many questions, it's going to tantalise our perception of the unknown, and i for one am very happy with that. I just hope the 3D dosen't let it down because now i have seen this picture of those suits (assuming theyre biomechanical suits), the thought of them moving around in 3D is intriguing but also very disturbing as they must be huge we're talking atleast 8ft probably more. The Blu Ray of this film is going to be astounding, i bet the featurettes will blow our minds and i wonder if Giger will pop up in a few interviews too.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 01:52:20 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
This is why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws)
That.
It has to be noted that these suits are not even close to being as big as the original SJ. Whatever they are for, it isn't riding in the chair the way the original did. It makes absolutely no sense to create a new set comparable in size to the original chair only to then nerf the SJ to half the size.
As
Xenomorphine says, there were rumors that the Engineers and Jockeys are different beings. I no longer have any doubt that this is true. These suits are for slaves, or another race that emulates the SJs who are their gods. These are not Jockey suits, so there is still room for the SJ to be very alien (and gumboot free).
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 01:52:20 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
This is why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws)
That.
It has to be noted that these suits are not even close to being as big as the original SJ. Whatever they are for, it isn't riding in the chair the way the original did. It makes absolutely no sense to create a new set comparable in size to the original chair, and then nerf the SJ to half the size.
As Xenomorphine says, there were rumors that the Engineers and Jockeys are different beings. I no longer have any doubt that this is true. These suits are for slaves, or another race that emulates the SJs who are their gods. These are not Jockey suits, so there is still room for the SJ to be very alien (and gumboot free).
-Chris
Bless you, you returned hope to me :D No boots plx!!!!
Amen Wobbly!!!!
If the SJ was some weird monster Prometheus may play out as standard fair....but you're right....having them humanoid only begs more questions. So excited about what's i come.
No probs ThisBethesdaSea looks like we're both thinking on the same page buddy :) Roll on june 2012 the months will fly
by :)
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Jan 15, 2012, 04:54:12 AMThe fact that the jockey is a humanoid in a suit is more intriguing, other wise we have your conventional sci fi horror/thriller.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 05:49:18 AMIf the SJ was some weird monster Prometheus may play out as standard fair....
But what was Alien about other than weird monsters? I too like the idea of having a giant humanoid alien race in the film, but to have them as
the alien race is dull IMHO. To do away with the monster and say 'hey, they were really all kinda like humans all along' is outright lame. I would even go so far as to say that it is outright nihilistic. And all for what, philosophical timbre?
I'm obviously not on the same page as you guys ;)
-Chris
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I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
Why does a God NEED a nose to breathe oxygen?
Why does a God NEED two ears to 'hear sound energy reverberating through the medium of air' when, presumably being a God, he can just instantaniously intercept ALL thoughts and notions before they are even uttered.
Is this 'Space Kojak' God composed of atoms (and sub-atomic particles) or is he some other form of energy that human science didnt need to bother applying such efforts to understand?
Does Space Kojak have, errrrm, a MEMBER to pro-create? Or is he ETERNAL? But wait, surely thats the whole point of evolution on Earth --> we all live forever THROUGH OUR GENES. We pass on the BEST bits of us to the next generation, through sexual reproduction based on the most favourable current environmental conditions.
[Is that enough?]
Erm..........take a break........... Please!!!!
01: they are not "gods"........compared to humans and our understanding of things , the sjs appear to be gods....... But only when put next to a lesser being, kinda how a man would seem to an ant , if able to understand such a thing lol
Understand that when your dog sees you throw a ball 20 feet or strike a match or flush the goddam toilet....he thinks you have godlike powers lol
02: our own ancient history tells of our creators looking just like us......only bigger!!! Seeing as this movie ties into our ancient history+ancient alien theory im guessing the sjs are gonna be annunaki or something of that nature
Im 100% ok with them looking like us ( although i think the big baldguy is just featured in a flashback sequence playing the roll of the pilot of the 79ship(prometheus legend+ancient alientheory+epic narrative) And not the same race we will be seeing in the movie prometheus
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I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
Why does a God NEED a nose to breathe oxygen?
Why does a God NEED two ears to 'hear sound energy reverberating through the medium of air' when, presumably being a God, he can just instantaniously intercept ALL thoughts and notions before they are even uttered.
Is this 'Space Kojak' God composed of atoms (and sub-atomic particles) or is he some other form of energy that human science didnt need to bother applying such efforts to understand?
Does Space Kojak have, errrrm, a MEMBER to pro-create? Or is he ETERNAL? But wait, surely thats the whole point of evolution on Earth --> we all live forever THROUGH OUR GENES. We pass on the BEST bits of us to the next generation, through sexual reproduction based on the most favourable current environmental conditions.
[Is that enough?]
Erm..........take a break........... Please!!!!
01: they are not "gods"........compared to humans and our understanding of things , the sjs appear to be gods....... But only when put next to a lesser being, kinda how a man would seem to an ant , if able to understand such a thing lol
Understand that when your dog sees you throw a ball 20 feet or strike a match or flush the goddam toilet....he thinks you have godlike powers lol
02: our own ancient history tells of our creators looking just like us......only bigger!!! Seeing as this movie ties into our ancient history+ancient alien theory im guessing the sjs are gonna be annunaki or something of that nature
Im 100% ok with them looking like us ( although i think the big baldguy is just featured in a flashback sequence playing the roll of the pilot of the 79ship(prometheus legend+ancient alientheory+epic narrative) And not the same race we will be seeing in the movie prometheus
02: our own ancient history tells of our creators looking just like us......only bigger!!!
Can I ask you in which country you visited elementary school? :D This is disturbing.
Quote from: Ruzena on Jan 15, 2012, 06:37:01 AM
Quote from: PrometheusFire on Jan 15, 2012, 06:26:56 AM
Quote from: 180924609 on Jan 15, 2012, 12:55:40 AM
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I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
Why does a God NEED a nose to breathe oxygen?
Why does a God NEED two ears to 'hear sound energy reverberating through the medium of air' when, presumably being a God, he can just instantaniously intercept ALL thoughts and notions before they are even uttered.
Is this 'Space Kojak' God composed of atoms (and sub-atomic particles) or is he some other form of energy that human science didnt need to bother applying such efforts to understand?
Does Space Kojak have, errrrm, a MEMBER to pro-create? Or is he ETERNAL? But wait, surely thats the whole point of evolution on Earth --> we all live forever THROUGH OUR GENES. We pass on the BEST bits of us to the next generation, through sexual reproduction based on the most favourable current environmental conditions.
[Is that enough?]
Erm..........take a break........... Please!!!!
01: they are not "gods"........compared to humans and our understanding of things , the sjs appear to be gods....... But only when put next to a lesser being, kinda how a man would seem to an ant , if able to understand such a thing lol
Understand that when your dog sees you throw a ball 20 feet or strike a match or flush the goddam toilet....he thinks you have godlike powers lol
02: our own ancient history tells of our creators looking just like us......only bigger!!! Seeing as this movie ties into our ancient history+ancient alien theory im guessing the sjs are gonna be annunaki or something of that nature
Im 100% ok with them looking like us ( although i think the big baldguy is just featured in a flashback sequence playing the roll of the pilot of the 79ship(prometheus legend+ancient alientheory+epic narrative) And not the same race we will be seeing in the movie prometheus
02: our own ancient history tells of our creators looking just like us......only bigger!!!
Can I ask you in which country you visited elementary school? :D This is disturbing.
Oh i went to school in england, actually it was a school that ran under the church of england, they teach that a man with superpowers created the earth in 7days.......... Why? Whats your point pmsl?
Quote from: PrometheusFire on Jan 15, 2012, 06:26:56 AM
Erm..........take a break........... Please!!!!
01: they are not "gods"........compared to humans and our understanding of things , the sjs appear to be gods....... But only when put next to a lesser being, kinda how a man would seem to an ant , if able to understand such a thing lol
Understand that when your dog sees you throw a ball 20 feet or strike a match or flush the goddam toilet....he thinks you have godlike powers lol
02: our own ancient history tells of our creators looking just like us......only bigger!!! Seeing as this movie ties into our ancient history+ancient alien theory im guessing the sjs are gonna be annunaki or something of that nature
Im 100% ok with them looking like us ( although i think the big baldguy is just featured in a flashback sequence playing the roll of the pilot of the 79ship(prometheus legend+ancient alientheory+epic narrative) And not the same race we will be seeing in the movie prometheus
Well said, all in all. However, from my particular Catholic perspective, I do NOT take (as I have said here, before) the Old Testament absolutely literally. The conceit that "God created us in his own image" is not, IMHO, meant literally...but rather metaphorically. In other words, God (our Creator) made us as thinking, inquisitive beings, with an innate drive to "create" on our own. He loved us so much, he infused us with the sacred fire of "creation". It is this very "grace", and Free Will, that compels us to try to create both Artificial Life (in terms of a conscious, self-aware artificial intelligence), as well as synthetic organic life...not to mention our continuous experiments in search of fundamental physical truths...e.g. Cosmology, and the Standard Model, which is continously tested against observations and experiments from diverse and INDEPENDENT data collected from institutions and programs such as Fermi Lab and CERN, as well as COBE, WMAP, and High-Z supernovae survey, etc...to name but a few.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 01:52:20 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
This is why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws)
:)
It was called 'Alien' for a reason - it represented extraterrestrial biology and technology which was literally alien to everything we knew. Alien in mentality. Alien in all possible comprehension.
Few things exemplify this better than Ash's famous speech. The lessons of which applied just as much to the derelict as the creature aboard the Nostromo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxKGxNmWz4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxKGxNmWz4#ws)
"I admire its purity... A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality."
Making the Space Jockey look so much like us is a proverbial double-edged sword: In one sense, it reinforces the haunting 'gods made us in the image of themselves' philosophy, but it also detracts from the sheer power of that original thematic narrative.
I'm a fan of trying to put the ET interventionist hypothesis into a legitimately epic film. There's a lot of scope for it. But I think it was a mistake shoe-horning the Space Jockeys, themselves, into that role.
On the other hand, we haven't got any definitive proof that the bald character(s) are one and the same as what goes inside the suits. For all we know, it could be a facehugger/chestburster-like creature which does so. The original prop was geared towards the ideal of something in a symbiotic relationship with the ship, after all. No reason it couldn't essentially be 'controlled' by a symbiotic relationship with a smaller creature.
I do remember that the earliest rumours appeared to suggest that the Space Jockeys and Engineers were going to be two distinctly different species, which gives me hope.
With that said, the boots on these creatures/statues don't do much for me, design-wise...
I started a debate about third race.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41443.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41443.0)
But there are no official materials to support that.
Cool pic by the way.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn549%2Fsmarty9000%2Fprometheus2%2Fsj_guys.jpg&hash=871178f2d5a437bed95bc2110240e1f33e66ae93)
Apparently retconned jockey is turning out to be the least of my objections to this film. I never thought beyond an elephantine skull and a torso since the chair/suit obscured the rest of the body and I never read the SJ comics or pored over Gigers art.
I'm frankly more put off by the human spacesuits which still remind me more of some of today's video games and action/superhero flics than anything in Alien. But this could just be the stills as the suits look fine in the trailer.
Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 07:32:36 AMIn other words, God (our Creator) made us as thinking, inquisitive beings, with an innate drive to "create" on our own. He loved us so much, he infused us with the sacred fire of "creation". It is this very "grace", and Free Will, that compels us to try to create both Artificial Life (in terms of a conscious, self-aware artificial intelligence), as well as synthetic organic life
A wonderful insight into the Christian scientist. I never imagined I could learn something so deep by reading an Alien forum (I am
not being sarcastic). Thanks.
Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 07:32:36 AMIt is this very "grace", and Free Will...
Wait! You mean the free will that we, as thinking, inqusitive beings, discovered that - in our search of fundamental physical truths - does
not exist? ;D
-Chris
I love how everybody just assumes that when we say "God created man in His image", it must mean that God looks like a human.
The reason I don't like the whole giant human in the suit is that it confuses me into wondering are we in the Alien universe or Star Trek?
I want the SJ to be completely alien, I don't have a problem with them being humanoid, but I don't want them to be humans that just overly tall with a few lumps on the forehead. The only reason humans should look the we do is because of what and where we came from: apes and Earth. The SJ just gave us the ability to have sentience and being able to stand up right.
Spoiler
I hope I didn't sound too emotional in this post :-\ apologies if I did, didn't mean to.
Ok, here is my best attempt at debunking the whole "Bald Trailer Guy + Spacesuit = Space Jockey" myth. Take it as you will...
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/NotTheJockey.jpg (http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/NotTheJockey.jpg)
-Chris
My theory:
btw nice pics, but i think those jockeys are just empty suits standing there and did anybody notice the ground before them? it's the "star map" that popped out a few months back were the props were took down and lots of shit/other work was seen.
To the story: it was speculated if the jockey in Alien is Noomi, well, what if Noomi wanted to prevent the derelict from transporting the eggs to earth (the gods wanted to punish prometheus/humanity) slipped in a jockey suit and crashed on LV426. we know/think that the derelict in Prometheus is not the one from LV426 so there are maybe 2 in the movie...
Dunno....
I like the suits, I'm not worried I'm still very convinced they're punking us by giving this away and that there's another race besides the tall humanoids. One that's a creature underneath, but uses the suits of their masters and ends up helping humanity, again. Yes it's true many religions/cultures portrayed their gods as very human-like; especially the pantheistic gods who have individual personalities and character faults. Zeus was always cheating on Rhea etc., but a common theme is that there are always classes of less tangible creatures mixed in with those "'gods". In the Greek myth, at first the Titans were actually the Elder Gods in the cosmology. Basically the first ruling class of true Gods that later gets replaced by the gods of Mt. Olympus. This puts the Olympian gods in the position to punish, and make war with the Titans. In many cultures there is the image of the old, bearded god figure like Odin, the Judeo-christian god image, Zeus, and to an extent Osiris. Although people in the past assigned human characteristic to a lot of the ruling gods, there's mention of other forces in a lot of the earlier thoughts of those cultures. The Titans/Elder gods are just one example, and later on in the myths they are more anthropomorphic, but I don't think these are the tall human "gods" spoke of in alien astronaut theory.
Even in the Judeo-christian myths you have characters like Jehova, who sounds like he actually could have been wearing some giant suit, or a weird creature himself. The many different choirs of angels are interesting, and the archangel Michael is said to be extremely tall when he manifests.
If you take it to alien astronaut theory and try to connect to the myths, there's still mention of non-humanoids when you really look at it. Daniken doesn't focus on this like some others do, because even for serious researchers there wouldn't be much to go on. Daniken does sometimes cover these things. The mysterious "Watchers"/Anasazi/Ant-people or what looks and sounds like our current idea of the grey aliens are possible contenders with the saucer craft being included.
Then you have things that are more Lovecraftian and in the vein of "at the mountains of madness" coming from some of the Egyptian/Sumerian stuff mixed in with the more humanoid sounding gods.
Still so many possibilities if they really dive into either the mythology or alien astronaut theory. People who theorize that the grey aliens were the "Watchers" (or some variation when translated from other cultures) think they may have been a slave race of the interstellar humanoids at some point in the past.
I'm not saying it has to look like E.T. But they could easily place any creature design in that subordinate role, aka what became of the Titans, the classes of angels, various creatures of Norse mythology, and what some think happened to the alien greys by the Nephillim/Annunaki of AA theory.
Not saying I believe all this stuff, all the analogies found cross-culturally show is that these myths of very similar characters took shape in different cultures and language, most likely being transferred from culture to culture. When you trace it all back, it leads to Egypt, the middle-east/Sumer, and ancient India. Where we first see things like the flood tale. When monotheism took over much of the other characters of the myths were forgotten or relegated to being in one of the choirs of angels. Even the pitchfork, and three-pronged staff of the Devil and Lucifer could relate to Poseidon/Triton and Hades. The caduceus appears a lot too.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 09:53:18 AM
Ok, here is my best attempt at debunking the whole "Bald Trailer Guy + Spacesuit = Space Jockey" myth. Take it as you will...
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/NotTheJockey.jpg (http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/NotTheJockey.jpg)
-Chris
You did not factor in where the objects are in relation to the camera. The Jockey chair is closer to the camera than the alleged Engineer--
of course it's going to look bigger than him. :-\
Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 15, 2012, 10:16:41 AMYou did not factor in where the objects are in relation to the camera. The Jockey chair is closer to the camera than the alleged Engineer--of course it's going to look bigger than him. :-\
Not that much closer. Look at the shot again, and check the platform. The humanoid figure is in the middle-ground with the chair.
-Chris
Maybe the middle chair is for the real god who can travel through space long enough and the tombs are for the humanoid giants because they cant with stand long space travel because of time is still relevant to them and to the jockey it isnt.
See them as hyper space cryo units.
Every king/god has its servants.
Quote from: Infected on Jan 15, 2012, 10:59:56 AMEvery king/god has its servants.
This ^
There is no Jockey here.
-Chris
Looks like these castings are legit - they match the statue/suits whatever(//)
Gravity relating to body size? Hmm... that's what some theorists purpose for why the humanoid beings are taller than us. Developing under a different gravity or something, but otherwise identical. Or some of the more out there theories talk about the demi-gods and gods possibly being differing levels of hybrids of homo sapiens, Neaderthal & Cro-magnon man, and a much taller creature. When any of them interbreed with humans mishaps can occur. Sometimes producing offspring with humans that were giants and monsters. Heracles/Hercules was said to be massive, he was no ordinary half-human like Disney and the old tv show liked to portray him. He was 15ft tall when you convert from cubits according to some of the myths.
Quote from: bobkind3 on Jan 15, 2012, 11:26:03 AMLooks like these castings are legit - they match the statue/suits whatever
Darkness got the 'remove or die' notice from Fox, so they are legit. Not a Space Jockey though.
-Chris
what Malakak mention reminds me of the nephilim(offpring of fallen angels with earth women).
giants that walked the planet thousands of years ago.
Imo people are getting WAY too emotional over the appearence of the jockey. Heck the aspect/size of the jockey was screwed up in the original film. First they filmed it with kids in space suites to make it look huge, and then they filmed the close-ups with full size actors.
Who is to say that all members of the jockey species come in the same size/shape/flavor? Isn't it possible that there are differences based on their function? They are biomechanical ffs. We could have a version for piloting the ship, or a janitor version that keeps the space jockey bathrooms nice and clean ;D We don't know. For those who are having a REALLY difficult time with this; I would say delete all the Prometheus related bookmarks and don't see the movie. That way your enamorment with the original SJ won't be tainted by a possible alternative view.
I'm in agreement with those who think that the giant blue humanoid does not go into the SJ suit. IMO the giant blue humanoids are the GOD alien, and the SJ's are their/it's servants. I also have a feeling that the creature inside the suit is going to be VERY small. Possibly the native home for a primordial chest burster like creature that the giant blue alien controls.
1) Suits get created or grown.
2) Primordial face huggerish creature attaches to suit and lays an embryo.
3) Embyo matures and actually becomes one with the suit in a symbiotic relationship. Does not BURST.
4) Giant blue humanoid can control SJ beings to do his bidding.
Makes me think the Blue guy won't actually be an integral part of the story. I mean Ian White is hardly known for his acting abilities' , he's a creature actor. Which would leave the question, just what is his purpose??
On that, I'd have a guess that the SJ are at the top of the pecking order, with the Blue guy being nothing more than a bad ass alien security guard.
Perhaps the crew inadvertently arrive at the wrong time and are seen as intruders?
I don't like the boots, I'd rather see toes sticking out
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
I still don't understand the hate for the idea of the Jockey being a humanoid in a suit. Why is that concept bad? No really, I want to understand this. I love the idea that the enemy looks a bit like us (or what we might think is the enemy).
I think that a good number of people would like the space jockey to be an extra-terrestrial that didn't look like anything that came from Earth. I don't mind Scott having giant human ETs but I wish he didn't make out that the space jockeys had humans inside them.
It also makes me feel ill every time I read Damon Lindelof promising something about this film
The whole idea around a pseudo-humanoid SJ is that....who's to say it comes from earth? Who's to say we did? It's humanoid form asks more questions then it answers.....that's what makes it intriguing.
Quote from: Topazora on Jan 15, 2012, 09:40:22 AM
I love how everybody just assumes that when we say "God created man in His image", it must mean that God looks like a human.
The reason I don't like the whole giant human in the suit is that it confuses me into wondering are we in the Alien universe or Star Trek?
I want the SJ to be completely alien, I don't have a problem with them being humanoid, but I don't want them to be humans that just overly tall with a few lumps on the forehead. The only reason humans should look the we do is because of what and where we came from: apes and Earth. The SJ just gave us the ability to have sentience and being able to stand up right.
Spoiler
I hope I didn't sound too emotional in this post :-\ apologies if I did, didn't mean to.
You really think we are from here... This ignorant perception is what this movie is going to alter.
The reason the SJ suits have boots is because a humanoid wears them. Besides if the suit wasn't built for a humanoid, you would be able to put a "human" in it.... On that note, I actually can't wait to see Noomi strap herslf into one of the suits and fight the aliens or SJ's at the end of the movie! 8)
Ala, Aliens power loader. ;)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F66vtk8.jpg&hash=1dafb7e59592ab7457743d57ac60bac7b3f0790b)
these space jockeys are too small :'(
Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
You really think we are from here... This ignorant perception is what this movie is going to alter.
You know, sometimes I think people forget that these are just films. Fiction. A form of entertainment. I know we're all fans of the series (or certain films of the series) here, but I hardly think Prometheus is going to alter anyone's perception of the world.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
The whole idea around a pseudo-humanoid SJ is that....who's to say it comes from earth? Who's to say we did? It's humanoid form asks more questions then it answers.....that's what makes it intriguing.
Well, I suppose we'll have to wait until the movie to find out what the idea is behind the space jockey being something else in a suit is all about. We're only getting dribs and drabs. I don't mind the questions about where the human form originally came from but I also like the idea of the alieness of the space jockey's form as it has been in many people's minds for the last 35 years, and preferably one without boots.
Quote from: 8thPassenger on Jan 15, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
You really think we are from here... This ignorant perception is what this movie is going to alter.
You know, sometimes I think people forget that these are just films. Fiction. A form of entertainment. I know we're all fans of the series (or certain films of the series) here, but I hardly think Prometheus is going to alter anyone's perception of the world.
Yeah well, some of the creators have of this movie are already comparing it to 2001. In that it's idea's are are of the culture shock nature. 2001 and it's ideas did change the worlds view on who we are and where we came from.
Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: 8thPassenger on Jan 15, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
You really think we are from here... This ignorant perception is what this movie is going to alter.
You know, sometimes I think people forget that these are just films. Fiction. A form of entertainment. I know we're all fans of the series (or certain films of the series) here, but I hardly think Prometheus is going to alter anyone's perception of the world.
Yeah well, some of the creators have of this movie are already comparing it to 2001. In that it's idea's are are of the culture shock nature. 2001 and it's ideas did change the worlds view on who we are and where we came from.
OK. I'm not arguing with that. I agree that films CAN have that kind of effect on people, but somehow I find it hard to imagine Prometheus being one of those films. Maybe it's just me.
Quote from: 8thPassenger on Jan 15, 2012, 04:57:36 PMI agree that films CAN have that kind of effect on people, but somehow I find it hard to imagine Prometheus being one of those films. Maybe it's just me.
Considering that von Daniken's shit has been refuted and there have been many ancient astronaut movies, it's unlikely this movie would have that effect unless the people in question live
very sheltered lives.
I just want to say that I Know that some of my comments and ideas come off as forced a bit, but I am really just having. Not saying that I don't hold them true but that could very well be true, that's all. 8)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
The whole idea around a pseudo-humanoid SJ is that....who's to say it comes from earth? Who's to say we did? It's humanoid form asks more questions then it answers.....that's what makes it intriguing.
I'd be fine if they're not from Earth because there are so many ways it can go in the mythology. I just have a sinking suspicion it will be revealed they were once the Atlanteans. And that the ancient Atlanteans and alien astronauts are actually one and the same.
What you have to ask yourself is why these guys are just standing in a corridor, why the plinth is so different aesthetically to the rest of the corridor and why it is positioned on top of the floor design "star map" so as to partially obscure it? These guys are an addition to the corridor and were not supposed to be there when it was originally built. It could well be that we are looking at two different cultures.
Quote from: Malakak on Jan 15, 2012, 05:06:24 PMI'd be fine if they're not from Earth because there are so many ways it can go in the mythology. I just have a sinking suspicion it will be revealed they were once the Atlanteans. And that the ancient Atlanteans and alien astronauts are actually one and the same.
And then they evolved into the Brothers of Zion and formed the Trilateral Commission with the Bilderbergers and the Illuminati.
;)
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 15, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
And then they evolved into the Brothers of Zion and formed the Trilateral Commission with the Bilderbergers and the Illuminati.
;)
i think this role belongs to weylan(d)-[Yutani].
There seems to be two very different types of spacesuits or environment suits in the the photos we've seen - does this suggest these places are on different planets? The plating on the first images of the head/urn room is very different to this one. The blue tubing seems to turn red when the suit is activated/or helmet is on as this is what can be seen in the trailer as Shaw is trying to escape the "derelict" and the other recent image which seemed to be in the same "corridor" (for want of a better word). Any ideas?
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 15, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: Malakak on Jan 15, 2012, 05:06:24 PMI'd be fine if they're not from Earth because there are so many ways it can go in the mythology. I just have a sinking suspicion it will be revealed they were once the Atlanteans. And that the ancient Atlanteans and alien astronauts are actually one and the same.
And then they evolved into the Brothers of Zion and formed the Trilateral Commission with the Bilderbergers and the Illuminati.
;)
Aww but I thought big oil and the military industrial complexity was the one calling the shots behind the scenes :(
Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
You really think we are from here... This ignorant perception is what this movie is going to alter.
Can't wait. Been waiting on a Hollywood movie to alter my whole perception of reality..... ???
Some total nut jobs on this site.
Quote from: Bayo on Jan 15, 2012, 12:58:37 PM
what Malakak mention reminds me of the nephilim(offpring of fallen angels with earth women).
giants that walked the planet thousands of years ago.
I was definitely referring to the Nephilim but also other gods and demi-gods. That's just one of the examples that comes up across world mythologies. You can find comparisons anywhere demi-gods are involved, which is why I think they will go really deep into all the alien astronaut theory connections, amalgamating some of the world mythologies to make it more manageable since many characters and groups are analogous. And most importantly include some sort of non-humanoid, or truly giant race.
When the Greek gods mated with humans what you sometimes got were the demi-gods, almost super-powered beings comparable to Jesus, Thor, and Horus. Whereas some of the gods & Titans gave birth to monsters & giants when they mated with or impregnated humans. Something went wrong with the genetics in those cases-- if we're looking at it through the AA theory perspective. Gods/goddesses cheating on one another, mating with and raping humans and/or other gods/goddesses, and forming complex relationships with them is almost a recurring theme in the Greek myths. All this interbreeding is said to produce a bunch of extra monsters/giants no one wanted. Though, it shouldn't be taken too literally except for maybe in relation to Prometheus. Heracles got a pretty good 50-50 split I would say.
With the story of the Nephilim in the Bible it's the same thing, The fallen angels took the daughters of man in a very similar way and the offspring would sometimes be giants and monsters. The Fallen angels, and the Nephilim (when not a giant) are also similar to our tall, bald guy. This is theorized by alien astronaut proponents to be due to a partial incompatibility in genetics i.e. the tall, bald race are similar enough to interbreed, but it doesn't always work. It mostly works... mostly. Sometimes the being's body doesn't know which gravity it should be developing for. Being a hybrid, the gene sequences coding for development could be competing, and lets say that like insects being able to grow larger in an atmosphere with more oxygen we are able to grow larger with less gravity. If evolved on a planet with less gravity, a significantly taller species may be produced overall because our endoskeletons will allow us to grow only slightly larger in an environment with slightly less gravity.
Many of the demi-gods actually benefited from being born from the gods. People like Dionysos and other greek demi-gods seem to have no downside from being the child of Zeus and a human, are depicted in human form etc.. Like the Nephilim of AA theory, it seems to be just a freak genetic thing that sometimes happens when they mate with homo sapiens. Some speculate it's because the genes don't cross right anymore or whatever, or the gravity problem being encoded in their genes somehow. Also, this is how some claim the Egyptian god-kings and biblical characters lived 100's of years. Time and gravity are different here. It is all relative perhaps. Still thinking it's too cheesy to actually have Shaw become pregnant and literally give birth to a monster or giant... but the thought has crossed my mind. Would it be too similar to the stories of the Nephilim, and the fallen angels "seeing the daughters of man, and that they were fair" or "compatible"... mostly.
Space f**king jockey suits in the background epic win
Love the pic
Noomi looks cute
Those mass effect suit look great
Damn hurry up June
Hmmmm, creation mythology. Here's my theory - The planet that they land on was once populated by humans, hence the big statue head. The real, big SJs land and send down an "Angel" or two (the blue guy), an android who is built in the same form as the resident humans to make communication easier. The android releases some type of genetic nanotechnology that converts the humans into mini-SJs (and God created man in his image) - this could be what we are seeing happen to that guy with the contorted face. Those mini-SJs that we see in the corridor are converted humans, maybe in some sort of suspended animation(??).
Further down the line the Xenomorphs are an accidental offshoot of this technology, they take on the rough form of their host and even their secreted structures are a genetic memory of the architecture seen in Prometheus.
Interesting.. if the android does act as a communication device and goes through some transformation he could be the messenger character present in many of the ancient stories I'm talking about them going into depth with. Hermes is the one who can reach the underworld, the top of mt. Olympus, Atlantis, anywhere he needed to go to bring a message to another character.
At the risk of sounding like a one trick pony: if those are indeed the SJ suits Ridley was talking about, then that head on the examination table (likewise the prosthetic mask we've seen a few days ago) is most likely not a mask, but an actual head!
everyone seemed so upset by the boots , has it ever crossed anyone's mind that these are old statues..... like suits of armour you find in old houses in cheesy films , those suits could be like their old stone age armour , and just maybe fashion has changed with the times , would you prefer the jockeys to have converse or Nike trainers on their feet ????
and just another random point , could the 79jockey be a double amputee ? and to feed his kids he had to take a job and maybe the only job he could get was a very dangerous job transporting alien eggs somewhere .... who is to say the space jockey society have disability living allowances ..... poor 79jockey , he never stood a chance :(
all i am tryin to say is your shunning this movie just cause they dont have trendy footwear and their suit is Soooooo 1979.
seems very teenager-esq .... cant wait for the back lash this will bring me lol
I suppose that, if nothing else, these have confirmed a theory which some others and I speculated a while back: The original picture of what some assumed to be an Alien laying on the floor is, in fact, a statue of a Space Jockey which has fallen over and caused one or more of the limbs to snap off.
The aesthetic seems a more or less perfect match with these.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 08:18:01 PM
I suppose that, if nothing else, these have confirmed a theory which some others and I speculated a while back: The original picture of what some assumed to be an Alien laying on the floor is, in fact, a statue of a Space Jockey which has fallen over and caused one or more of the limbs to snap off.
The aesthetic seems a more or less perfect match with these.
But I'll say again, why would they take a rock back for study on a medical table?
Unless these statue's are somehow living or were once something else.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 15, 2012, 08:25:11 PM
But I'll say again, why would they take a rock back for study on a medical table?
Unless these statue's are somehow living or were once something else.
Archaeological/anthropology value.
You see it happen more than enough on new sites of interest on our planet. Makes sense they'd do it on another. Some of their equipment isn't going to be portable.
They scan dinosaur skulls and pottery all the time on documentaries, these days. Either to get a look at what's inside or to try dating them.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 15, 2012, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 08:18:01 PM
I suppose that, if nothing else, these have confirmed a theory which some others and I speculated a while back: The original picture of what some assumed to be an Alien laying on the floor is, in fact, a statue of a Space Jockey which has fallen over and caused one or more of the limbs to snap off.
The aesthetic seems a more or less perfect match with these.
But I'll say again, why would they take a rock back for study on a medical table?
Unless these statue's are somehow living or were once something else.
Could be we are looking at different things, the head on the medical table could be organic whilst the figures in the corridor are statues.
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Jan 15, 2012, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 15, 2012, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 08:18:01 PM
I suppose that, if nothing else, these have confirmed a theory which some others and I speculated a while back: The original picture of what some assumed to be an Alien laying on the floor is, in fact, a statue of a Space Jockey which has fallen over and caused one or more of the limbs to snap off.
The aesthetic seems a more or less perfect match with these.
But I'll say again, why would they take a rock back for study on a medical table?
Unless these statue's are somehow living or were once something else.
Could be we are looking at different things, the head on the medical table could be organic whilst the figures in the corridor are statues.
That is what I was trying to get accross as well.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 15, 2012, 08:25:11 PM
But I'll say again, why would they take a rock back for study on a medical table?
Unless these statue's are somehow living or were once something else.
Archaeological/anthropology value.
You see it happen more than enough on new sites of interest on our planet. Makes sense they'd do it on another. Some of their equipment isn't going to be portable.
They scan dinosaur skulls and pottery all the time on documentaries, these days. Either to get a look at what's inside or to try dating them.
You're probably right about it being broken off the statue and that's why they take it back to study. If it was an average archaeological site we would try to examine everything in context, and disturb things as little as possible to study as much as possible in that context before removing artifacts. Taking pictures of the entire chamber as it was found would be first priority. Maybe they didn't have time to do all that, and set up the site, or maybe the cameras on the suits documented it for them.
I think the picture looks great. And like I said once before in another post, these are statues and nothing else. Like guards you would see at an ancient Roman type atmosphere. The pictures look great.
As far as the size difference, that is just a small thing to be honest. In the original Alien, they used children to potray the astronauts, in the open view of the room, to make the room and everything look bigger, to give that perspective as awe. Then when in close up it was adults, and the head and SJ indeed looked way closer in size to the humans. Lighten up people, they are larger than us no matter what, I would say at least 8 foot tall or so.
And as to why so many people are aggravated about it being a suit and underneath it is humanoid. I am with some others that have posted in this topic. I think the idea is great. Think of it like this, you are trying to bring in more fans, to sell tickets, and keep the story going with hopefully future movies or such, and to keep people talking. You think that would have been very interesting with some creature walking around that doesnt resemble us even slightly and cant speak English and that whole thing. And to top it off you are tying it in with the Ancient Astronaut theory. We were created in gods image. Take it how you want it, but most people read that statement in that we were made to look like god. And they are trying to entertain as many people as possible to keep this going.
Plus people, this is all fiction, fake, make believe, not real, for heavens sake it is a damn movie. Hopefully a pretty good one. That is why they call is Science FICTION lol. At no time did they say it was based on a true story or true events. It is being made to entertain, hence entertainment. If you dont like how it is going, dont go see it. From what I am seeing I am pretty sure there will be plenty of other people to take your places. Not to mention, you can always throw your hats in the ring and could possibly make a sequel to this movie, because it seems like they always screw up the sequels when it comes to this universe lol... Anthony
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this already (haven't read through the entire thread)...but does anyone else think there might be another Space Jockey statue/figure along the right side of the corridor, behind Noomi (look above her head):
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Yes, was mentioned.
Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 09:38:02 PM
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this already (haven't read through the entire thread)...but does anyone else think there might be another Space Jockey statue/figure along the right side of the corridor, behind Noomi (look above her head):
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Yeah it was mentioned buddy. But the way you lightened it or whatever it looks creepy as hell now lol. Almost looks like there is a ghost face behind her lol... Anthony
I didn't see that originally, that's creepy!
So what we have is 1. expectation....for years many fans have 'expected' that the Space Jockeys are actually creatures. 2. Ridley returns and does something unexpected...the SJs are actually humanoid. I like the second option because I don't want what I've always expected, I want something hat turns expectations on their heads a bit so that when I'm returned to a familiar world it won't be a series of 'oh, yeah, I thought so' as opposed to a 'omg, what the fu€k is going on?'
I'm almost glad that what we saw in Alien wasn't just a decayed skeleton of something that looked like an elephant... Thinking about it, how would flesh decay on a planet presumably without microorganisms? It would have been perfectly preserved, if maybe a little dusty.
Epic boot fail.
So take one amazing Giger design slap some human legs on it, downsize the whole thing, and wear it as a suit. Nice.
Shame they didn't took the time to make the legs/boots more giger like. My biggest concern with the spacejockey where the legs tbh. You've never seen them before so it could've gone a lot of ways.
Yeah. I really want something more gigeresque, out of the ordinary, and alien rather than this. I was hoping for lovecraft in concept, giger in design. What I'm seeing here is (to give a macross reference) something I can only describe as zentrandi.
I'm still down for whatever for entertainments sakes, though.
to be fair , giger isnt known for his excellent foot drawings , the original alien's feet were pretty normal except for maybe some poor grooming in the toe nail department.
Not to bring this into a giger debate but the artist has many "foot drawings" where womens high heels are fused to the foot in biomechanical fashion. I'm fine with the suits design in this case, its just doesn't wow me or send my imagonation spiraling like I think it could have.
Quote from: orchidal on Jan 16, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
Not to bring this into a giger debate but the artist has many "foot drawings" where womens high heels are fused to the foot in biomechanical fashion. I'm fine with the suits design in this case, its just doesn't wow me or send my imagonation spiraling like I think it could have.
i totally agree with the giger comment but you dont see the design and instanly think , hmmm dont like those shoes (well thats what i thought) also i dont think the jockey would look good in heels !
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who ever did this, knows now that he is very close! even the boots fit! :o
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on Jan 15, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
I think the picture looks great. And like I said once before in another post, these are statues and nothing else. Like guards you would see at an ancient Roman type atmosphere. The pictures look great.
Well, you "think" they are statues.
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on Jan 15, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
As far as the size difference, that is just a small thing to be honest. In the original Alien, they used children to potray the astronauts, in the open view of the room, to make the room and everything look bigger, to give that perspective as awe. Then when in close up it was adults, and the head and SJ indeed looked way closer in size to the humans. Lighten up people, they are larger than us no matter what, I would say at least 8 foot tall or so.
That's all well and good but you don't actually know what the SJs are. There may be more than one type.
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on Jan 15, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
And as to why so many people are aggravated about it being a suit and underneath it is humanoid. I am with some others that have posted in this topic. I think the idea is great. Think of it like this, you are trying to bring in more fans, to sell tickets, and keep the story going with hopefully future movies or such, and to keep people talking. You think that would have been very interesting with some creature walking around that doesnt resemble us even slightly and cant speak English and that whole thing. And to top it off you are tying it in with the Ancient Astronaut theory. We were created in gods image. Take it how you want it, but most people read that statement in that we were made to look like god. And they are trying to entertain as many people as possible to keep this going.
Just because it lloks like a suit does not mean that it is a suit.
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on Jan 15, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
Plus people, this is all fiction, fake, make believe, not real, for heavens sake it is a damn movie. Hopefully a pretty good one. That is why they call is Science FICTION lol. At no time did they say it was based on a true story or true events. It is being made to entertain, hence entertainment. If you dont like how it is going, dont go see it. From what I am seeing I am pretty sure there will be plenty of other people to take your places. Not to mention, you can always throw your hats in the ring and could possibly make a sequel to this movie, because it seems like they always screw up the sequels when it comes to this universe lol... Anthony
Yes, it is a fantasy. A fantasy that we have only got a fraction of so far, there seems to be a lot of people jumping to conclusions and stating them as facts already.
I hope we get something like this
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Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 01:29:48 AM
I hope we get something like this
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z379/sarahsatire/Space_Jockey.jpg
lolz i hope not :-\ leave comic book stuff in the comics please. there are a few exeptions but mostly you have to keep the comic book stuff in the comics themselves. purely speaking for the alien/predator movies ofcourse
Same here, I felt the comicbook art concepts for the jockeys were kinda weak.
On the other hand a lot of the recent fanart rocks!
Lolz.....whatever that is in that comic looks like a lost muppet and NOTHING that belongs in the Scott alien universe.
On a related note....I don't think I want anyone else touching a sequel to this prequel but Scott...not Cameron, not Fincher.....NO ONE but Scott. I need my science fiction pure.
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 01:29:48 AM
I hope we get something like this
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z379/sarahsatire/Space_Jockey.jpg
ewww are those tentacles around the face of it? :-\
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 16, 2012, 02:40:10 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 01:29:48 AM
I hope we get something like this
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z379/sarahsatire/Space_Jockey.jpg
ewww are those tentacles around the face of it? :-\
Yeah they probaby are
There are more picture
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Space jockey
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 02:58:39 AM
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 16, 2012, 02:40:10 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 01:29:48 AM
I hope we get something like this
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z379/sarahsatire/Space_Jockey.jpg
ewww are those tentacles around the face of it? :-\
Yeah they probaby are
There are more picture
http://cdn2.screenjunkies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/space-jockey-8.jpg
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
Space jockey
no thanks... i'd much rather have humanoids (if done properly) in suits than some weird (in a bad way), fat idiots that look like elmo from sesame street.
as long as the space jockeys don't ACT like humans but very alien, i'm fine with the looks.
Yep!
Mee too :P
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Come to think about they do look like muppets
Holy shit
Yep I stick with thanks
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Could use this for a Metroid movie. Awesome.
I though the exact same thing! 'ha! Holy shit, Chozo statues!' the whole suit idea is totally ripped from Metroid which in turn was totally ripped from Alien. It's no coincidence that Charlize Theron looks EXACTLY like Zero Suit Samus...
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So i guess there are 2 space suits designs. Confusing, cause i don't see any reason to enter the same structure and be amazed at the same thing twice in different suits. Probably different stages of production? They didn't liked the first suit design and decided to reshoot at a early stage with a new one?
And i'm wondering if the this picture with the statues isn't a behind the scenes one? cause in the movie post production they could make naomi much smaller then she is. And i don't like the way that pedestal with the statues fits in the rest corridor, but the statues desing except for the feet look very cool. The hump in the back, the way the chest stands out, they did a good job at recreating the jockey.
I was also looking at the first promo pictures with that space jockey fallen in the ampule room. His legs are not straight,they have another position, bent backwards so it really could be a posibility that these are not just statues but suits
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...I'd take the Destroying Angels Jockey over a human-like thing anyday. In fact I quite like that design. Has some sense of 'ancient' presence. Not biomechanical, sure, but I like it a lot.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 16, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
...I'd take the Destroying Angels Jockey over a human-like thing anyday. In fact I quite like that design. Has some sense of 'ancient' presence. Not biomechanical, sure, but I like it a lot.
Same here, every aspect of destroying angels is just superb.
Been reading for a good while now but this is my 1st post so be gentle! Also, apologies if I've missed a point similar to that which I'm about to make.......
Does anyone else think that the composition of the shot is a little off? To my (too old!) eyes Rapace doesn't look she was "in camera" when the corridor was shot. The lighting looks different and the edges of her are just a little bit....oh, I don't know....just not right. Too sharp, maybe?
Just sayin'.......
You mean the fat flabby one with boobs and hair?
Wait or is that one from another comic
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 16, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
You mean the fat flabby one with boobs and hair?
Wait or is that one from another comic
Yeah one with boobs. It looks like alive being we`ve seen dead in Alien. Humanoid but not human.
Quote from: jpierpoint on Jan 16, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
Been reading for a good while now but this is my 1st post so be gentle! Also, apologies if I've missed a point similar to that which I'm about to make.......
Does anyone else think that the composition of the shot is a little off? To my (too old!) eyes Rapace doesn't look she was "in camera" when the corridor was shot. The lighting looks different and the edges of her are just a little bit....oh, I don't know....just not right. Too sharp, maybe?
Just sayin'.......
I thought the same thing. it looks photoshopped.
Quote from: jpierpoint on Jan 16, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
Been reading for a good while now but this is my 1st post so be gentle! Also, apologies if I've missed a point similar to that which I'm about to make.......
Does anyone else think that the composition of the shot is a little off? To my (too old!) eyes Rapace doesn't look she was "in camera" when the corridor was shot. The lighting looks different and the edges of her are just a little bit....oh, I don't know....just not right. Too sharp, maybe?
Just sayin'.......
I think it's because these are not actual shots from the movie. These are "stand there and I'll snap you" magazine shots.
The lighting will be wayyyyy darker in the movie. Another explanition could be the fact that it's getting shot in 3D.
Either way I wouldn't worry about it. Knowing Scott it'll be more Blade Runner/Alien than Avatar.
Quote from: Jango1201 on Jan 16, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: jpierpoint on Jan 16, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
Been reading for a good while now but this is my 1st post so be gentle! Also, apologies if I've missed a point similar to that which I'm about to make.......
Does anyone else think that the composition of the shot is a little off? To my (too old!) eyes Rapace doesn't look she was "in camera" when the corridor was shot. The lighting looks different and the edges of her are just a little bit....oh, I don't know....just not right. Too sharp, maybe?
Just sayin'.......
I thought the same thing. it looks photoshopped.
It does look that way but you need to remember that Noomi's not standing in the corridor, she's standing in the connecting room; the ampule room. This might explain the difference in lighting between Noomi and the corridor behind her.
One thing I thought was interesting about this comic book version of the space jockey was the cross shaped pupils like the opening of an alien spore.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F28.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg&hash=a5be53b974cb4055bd3c24522e687d41e25c502e)
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jan 16, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Jango1201 on Jan 16, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: jpierpoint on Jan 16, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
Been reading for a good while now but this is my 1st post so be gentle! Also, apologies if I've missed a point similar to that which I'm about to make.......
Does anyone else think that the composition of the shot is a little off? To my (too old!) eyes Rapace doesn't look she was "in camera" when the corridor was shot. The lighting looks different and the edges of her are just a little bit....oh, I don't know....just not right. Too sharp, maybe?
Just sayin'.......
I thought the same thing. it looks photoshopped.
It does look that way but you need to remember that Noomi's not standing in the corridor, she's standing in the connecting room; the ampule room. This might explain the difference in lighting between Noomi and the corridor behind her.
Or this picture is pulling are legs. You could be right though but this whole thing is just rubbing me wrong.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 16, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
...I'd take the Destroying Angels Jockey over a human-like thing anyday. In fact I quite like that design. Has some sense of 'ancient' presence. Not biomechanical, sure, but I like it a lot.
Same. I always liked the design and it really looked like something having a skeleton like the one from Alien
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn2.screenjunkies.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2Fspace-jockey-8.jpg&hash=0b9ce53ccb8df3206ff7b3cf1d0eda2d7fdd5d29)
I fully understand why people dislike the idea of SJ being a suit. I mean SJ was a mirror recreation of Giger's surreal painting. Surreality often is hard to/impossible to translate to physical world, and so was SJ. It looked like a chair and a skeleton as ONE thing, and born naturally. So everyone was wondering how this thing would look alive or functioning. It was a question of how a surreal creature like that would look like alive. Now we dont really get the answer we thought we would, since SJ appears to always be a skeleton and not even a creature but a suit
I personally dont have a preference yet since Im confident Ridley will present all the new ideas in a very interesting way, but I inderstand the criticism
I remember there being rumours that the Space Jockey would be half-serpent from the waist down. I rather liked that idea. Made them seem both tremendously different to humans and suitable for that chair.
After seeing these, I must say I would've rather preferred a serpentine Space Jockey, even if as a suit.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 16, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
One thing I thought was interesting about this comic book version of the space jockey was the cross shaped pupils like the opening of an alien spore.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
What the name of the comic I haven't read it yet
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 16, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
One thing I thought was interesting about this comic book version of the space jockey was the cross shaped pupils like the opening of an alien spore.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
What the name of the comic I haven't read it yet
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition)
it's called "The Alien"
Quote from: Kol on Jan 16, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 16, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
One thing I thought was interesting about this comic book version of the space jockey was the cross shaped pupils like the opening of an alien spore.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
What the name of the comic I haven't read it yet
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition)
it's called "The Alien"
Thanks I read so many aliens comics but I haven't read that one
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Kol on Jan 16, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 16, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
One thing I thought was interesting about this comic book version of the space jockey was the cross shaped pupils like the opening of an alien spore.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
What the name of the comic I haven't read it yet
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition)
it's called "The Alien"
Thanks I read so many aliens comics but I haven't read that one
Its the last story in Alien Omnibus vol 1 I believe
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 16, 2012, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Kol on Jan 16, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 16, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
One thing I thought was interesting about this comic book version of the space jockey was the cross shaped pupils like the opening of an alien spore.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
What the name of the comic I haven't read it yet
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition)
it's called "The Alien"
Thanks I read so many aliens comics but I haven't read that one
Its the last story in Alien Omnibus vol 1 I believe
really? i only read it in the platinum collection of dark horse. i don't own the omnibus, by the way.
on-topic: i like the so far revealed space jockey design of prometheus. i think that aliens need a space suit too, when traveling in the universe, so i'm glad, they look like a space jockey.
and the "destroying all angels" jockey's seemed very weak for me. hair & boobs ???
but i loved the statues, though.
the story was l. ron hubbard like :laugh:
Quote from: Kol on Jan 16, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 16, 2012, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Kol on Jan 16, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 16, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 16, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
One thing I thought was interesting about this comic book version of the space jockey was the cross shaped pupils like the opening of an alien spore.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
What the name of the comic I haven't read it yet
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Presents:_Aliens_Platinum_Edition)
it's called "The Alien"
Thanks I read so many aliens comics but I haven't read that one
Its the last story in Alien Omnibus vol 1 I believe
really? i only read it in the platinum collection of dark horse. i don't own the omnibus, by the way.
on-topic: i like the so far revealed space jockey design of prometheus. i think that aliens need a space suit too, when traveling in the universe, so i'm glad, they look like a space jockey.
and the "destroying all angels" jockey's seemed very weak for me. hair & boobs ???
but i loved the statues, though.
the story was l. ron hubbard like :laugh:
He looked weak cause was suspended in endles stasis, trying to outlast it`s creation. DA were so lovecraftian and Alien... I`m sad this one was not turned into movie.
The script was solid; the art was good.
Didnt care for the jockey design though.
I liked the paradox that the jockey posed us with, seeming to be biomechanically fused with its chair. The paradox is what makes it more alien. But I would've have liked that serpentine jockey design to be the real deal...that was creepy.
Could the humanoid not be one of their creations? Maybe kept as a caretaker for when the humans found them? A sort of friendly face before they meet the true creature? Just a thought and would kind of make sense?? Also I dont think Ridley would wimp out with that as an answer on the backstory, the blokes a legend and I have faith he won't sell it out with a lame we go and find a bald human idea.....
Quote from: wonkyfunk303 on Jan 16, 2012, 07:33:57 PM
Could the humanoid not be one of their creations? Maybe kept as a caretaker for when the humans found them? A sort of friendly face before they meet the true creature? Just a thought and would kind of make sense?? Also I dont think Ridley would wimp out with that as an answer on the backstory, the blokes a legend and I have faith he won't sell it out with a lame we go and find a bald human idea.....
Personally I think so , I mentioned in the other thread but nobody seemed to take notice. The Blue guy is played by Ian White who is nothing more than a creature actor. He will not have any lines, and if he does, it will probably be Darth Maul style one liners with a different voice over.
I'm thinking the SJ will also be humanoid, the lack of Guy Pierce anywhere seems to indicate to me that he's probably our SJ. The only other explination could be that he's Weyland.
Those Darkhorse comics always have the artist changing the space jockey design, it's like how ranger smith from yogi bear cartoons never had a final design.
Those suits or status are reminding me of the AVP series...ohhhhh no :-(.
Quote from: Redleader on Jan 17, 2012, 04:03:16 AM
Those suits or status are reminding me of the AVP series...ohhhhh no :-(.
Exactly what I thought at first glimpse. Exactly.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 16, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
Quote from: wonkyfunk303 on Jan 16, 2012, 07:33:57 PM
Could the humanoid not be one of their creations? Maybe kept as a caretaker for when the humans found them? A sort of friendly face before they meet the true creature? Just a thought and would kind of make sense?? Also I dont think Ridley would wimp out with that as an answer on the backstory, the blokes a legend and I have faith he won't sell it out with a lame we go and find a bald human idea.....
Personally I think so , I mentioned in the other thread but nobody seemed to take notice. The Blue guy is played by Ian White who is nothing more than a creature actor. He will not have any lines, and if he does, it will probably be Darth Maul style one liners with a different voice over.
I'm thinking the SJ will also be humanoid, the lack of Guy Pierce anywhere seems to indicate to me that he's probably our SJ. The only other explination could be that he's Weyland.
Well given that Guy Pierce is a 'name' actor, and a good one at that, I think he probably will have a key part to play. Maybe not huge in terms of screen time but important. Add in his absence from the trailer and anything else that's emerged so far and, for me, the 'probably' turns into a definitely.
Quote from: jpierpoint on Jan 17, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 16, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
Quote from: wonkyfunk303 on Jan 16, 2012, 07:33:57 PM
Could the humanoid not be one of their creations? Maybe kept as a caretaker for when the humans found them? A sort of friendly face before they meet the true creature? Just a thought and would kind of make sense?? Also I dont think Ridley would wimp out with that as an answer on the backstory, the blokes a legend and I have faith he won't sell it out with a lame we go and find a bald human idea.....
Personally I think so , I mentioned in the other thread but nobody seemed to take notice. The Blue guy is played by Ian White who is nothing more than a creature actor. He will not have any lines, and if he does, it will probably be Darth Maul style one liners with a different voice over.
I'm thinking the SJ will also be humanoid, the lack of Guy Pierce anywhere seems to indicate to me that he's probably our SJ. The only other explination could be that he's Weyland.
Well given that Guy Pierce is a 'name' actor, and a good one at that, I think he probably will have a key part to play. Maybe not huge in terms of screen time but important. Add in his absence from the trailer and anything else that's emerged so far and, for me, the 'probably' turns into a definitely.
Sorry, to clarify, I mean that the fact that there has been no details of his role says to me that it is "spoilary"
Quote from: Malakak on Jan 15, 2012, 10:04:33 AM
I like the suits, I'm not worried I'm still very convinced they're punking us by giving this away and that there's another race besides the tall humanoids. One that's a creature underneath, but uses the suits of their masters and ends up helping humanity, again. Yes it's true many religions/cultures portrayed their gods as very human-like; especially the pantheistic gods who have individual personalities and character faults. Zeus was always cheating on Rhea etc., but a common theme is that there are always classes of less tangible creatures mixed in with those "'gods". In the Greek myth, at first the Titans were actually the Elder Gods in the cosmology. Basically the first ruling class of true Gods that later gets replaced by the gods of Mt. Olympus. This puts the Olympian gods in the position to punish, and make war with the Titans. In many cultures there is the image of the old, bearded god figure like Odin, the Judeo-christian god image, Zeus, and to an extent Osiris. Although people in the past assigned human characteristic to a lot of the ruling gods, there's mention of other forces in a lot of the earlier thoughts of those cultures. The Titans/Elder gods are just one example, and later on in the myths they are more anthropomorphic, but I don't think these are the tall human "gods" spoke of in alien astronaut theory.
Even in the Judeo-christian myths you have characters like Jehova, who sounds like he actually could have been wearing some giant suit, or a weird creature himself. The many different choirs of angels are interesting, and the archangel Michael is said to be extremely tall when he manifests.
If you take it to alien astronaut theory and try to connect to the myths, there's still mention of non-humanoids when you really look at it. Daniken doesn't focus on this like some others do, because even for serious researchers there wouldn't be much to go on. Daniken does sometimes cover these things. The mysterious "Watchers"/Anasazi/Ant-people or what looks and sounds like our current idea of the grey aliens are possible contenders with the saucer craft being included.
Then you have things that are more Lovecraftian and in the vein of "at the mountains of madness" coming from some of the Egyptian/Sumerian stuff mixed in with the more humanoid sounding gods.
Still so many possibilities if they really dive into either the mythology or alien astronaut theory. People who theorize that the grey aliens were the "Watchers" (or some variation when translated from other cultures) think they may have been a slave race of the interstellar humanoids at some point in the past.
I'm not saying it has to look like E.T. But they could easily place any creature design in that subordinate role, aka what became of the Titans, the classes of angels, various creatures of Norse mythology, and what some think happened to the alien greys by the Nephillim/Annunaki of AA theory.
Not saying I believe all this stuff, all the analogies found cross-culturally show is that these myths of very similar characters took shape in different cultures and language, most likely being transferred from culture to culture. When you trace it all back, it leads to Egypt, the middle-east/Sumer, and ancient India. Where we first see things like the flood tale. When monotheism took over much of the other characters of the myths were forgotten or relegated to being in one of the choirs of angels. Even the pitchfork, and three-pronged staff of the Devil and Lucifer could relate to Poseidon/Triton and Hades. The caduceus appears a lot too.
Nicely put buddy :)
Exactly the point i made about our own ancient history allowing for the idea of a " alien/god/angel/demon/scientist" overlord character to appear to be humanesque in appearance in a sci-fi movie.............why it needs to be justified is seriously beyond me at this point and actually shows a commitment i cannot f**king relate to :)
Thanks for taking the time to explain it in detail :)
From what i can tell most of the comments ppl are making in regards to the anti humanoid sjbs, pretty much every problem they have exists in the xeno alien design lol ........ I just dont get the issue ???
Can anybody read cuniform text lol, somebody should try and translate the cuniform located on the sleepchamber thingys surrounding the center platform :)
I'm sure the cuniform is nothing we've seen before.
And if it is in fact a mix of various ancient culture symbols...well, it really is sounding a little AVPish.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 17, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
I'm sure the cuniform is nothing we've seen before.
And if it is in fact a mix of various ancient culture symbols...well, it really is sounding a little AVPish.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 17, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
I'm sure the cuniform is nothing we've seen before.
And if it is in fact a mix of various ancient culture symbols...well, it really is sounding a little AVPish.
01: pretty certain that............ Watching event horizon on blueray its painfully obvious that anderson was a diehard fan of alien and in event horizon probaby found a dream project i.e spacecrew respond to distress signal of deralict spacecraft, investigate, discover new lifeform that wants to kill them all . set design ,camera shots,crew member attitudes etc etc even the crews spacehelmets ffs which im sure were just dug out from the alien props.
02: from what i have come to learn about some of the original alien concepts, im sure avp and alot of the ideas for it came from scott and obannons early ideas just set on earth and swap out the sjs for the preds and boom.
03: event horizon had a budget of 50million and the director was allowed alot of creative controle.
04: avp had a budget of 60million and pretty much got made by execs who have no f**king clue
The ideas, sets or even director were not the problem with avp, apart from it being on earth and the pair up at the end i thought it was pretty cool :)
Oooooo so like............is the idea that the ancient race that built the pyramid idea that the 79 deralict craft crashed into was actually the preds :/ and in fact was an old deralict training ground that got blowed up by a pred nuke activated by a predyouth that failed the trials , the large blast knocking out the electrical systems of a passing sj craft in the process????? Just sayin :)
Thanks PrometheusFire, I think you may be right and AVP did try to go back and use some of those early alien concepts with Preds instead. Ridley could be giving the AVP series a huge f*** you by going back to those early ideas about pyramids on other worlds and executing those ideas in a better way. There's ways they could both coexist after, but the talk about a Pyramid set has me thinking AVP will be shot out of canon.
Remember there was a rumor that they built a pyramid set in Morocco and were transporting it somewhere else for Prometheus? I think it will all be connected to the idea of a lost global mother culture that, in this movie, also went interstellar with the help of another race tens of thousands of years ago. This makes the bald guys a subordinate race of humanoid-giants, but their mixture of genetics is close to the gods and elder gods(Titans) who may be even larger. I think we have non-humanoid intelligent creatures and even possibly more humanoids yet to be revealed. The bald guys could actually play the role of the demi-gods (mixture of god and man) in the mythology.
Malakak: I mean this in the nicest possible way but: I don't think any serious Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) fan believes AVP and AVP:R to be canon. They're kind of like "Freddy vs. Jason" (2003). For fun.
Quote from: Jenga on Jan 19, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Malakak: I mean this in the nicest possible way but: I don't think any serious Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) fan believes AVP and AVP:R to be canon. They're kind of like "Freddy vs. Jason" (2003). For fun.
Somehow I think being worked over with a lead pipe would be more enjoyable. :P
Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 19, 2012, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: Jenga on Jan 19, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Malakak: I mean this in the nicest possible way but: I don't think any serious Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) fan believes AVP and AVP:R to be canon. They're kind of like "Freddy vs. Jason" (2003). For fun.
Somehow I think being worked over with a lead pipe would be more enjoyable. :P
I won't try to define "fun" in this case :)
Quote from: Jenga on Jan 19, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Malakak: I mean this in the nicest possible way but: I don't think any serious Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) fan believes AVP and AVP:R to be canon. They're kind of like "Freddy vs. Jason" (2003). For fun.
01:Lol well to be honest mate if your going down that direction why not take it to the extreme and accept that any serious "alien79" fan knows that what cameron did was change the creature from being truely alien to being an ant/wasp that was to big to step on .......... In my oppinion if you accept camerons "twist" on the original then your being nothing but a stuck up little twat ........
02: avp is no more out of touch with the original than the idea of a bunch of fully armed marines invading a nest of antlike aliens and pretty much all getting wiped out......oh except for the forklift driver who by herself invaded the nest , wiped out the nesting grounds and the queen and all the xeno's ,without any prior military training and oh yeah she did the whole thing carrying a little girl on her back.........
03: your argument really shows know logical thinking......and actually comes across as simply over inflated ego fanboy nonsense that stems from watching way to much cameron jizz.......and please dont try and start some other bullshit argument i actually like aliens......its just no more further from "cannon" than avp and i think that claiming your any more serious a "fan" when you claim that you dont agree with the bigger picture is foolhardy and childish aswell as ignorant.
We are all here for the same reason......well except for you and a few others on here, your obviously only here because you love a few 1 or 2 movies that feature monsters ive loved since childhood that ive followed through movies , comicbooks, toys, novels etc etc ............ Just sayin :)
Quote from: Jenga on Jan 19, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Malakak: I mean this in the nicest possible way but: I don't think any serious Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) fan believes AVP and AVP:R to be canon. They're kind of like "Freddy vs. Jason" (2003). For fun.
Haha sorry I wasn't being clear. I don't consider them canon in any way, so no offense taken. I just meant that Ridley will explore those original concepts in A L I E N in a much better way than the piss-poor AVP did; and will literally eject AVP out of even possibly being conceived of fitting into the canon. I want them to be metaphorically shot out of a literal cannon. I was trying to be humorous but it didn't come across :P
At least this picture clears up one mystery; space jockey's do have legs and feet.
Since seeing the movie back in 1979..I think that the Space Jockey chair is some kind of flying device, the space jockey is using to fly trough the egg chambers...
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 20, 2012, 11:41:17 AM
Since seeing the movie back in 1979..I think that the Space Jockey chair is some kind of flying device, the space jockey is using to fly trough the egg chambers...
Kinda like an observation deck that moves throughout the entire ship, thats an awesome theory buddy, do you think it could rise up into the giant stone head , oooooooo even the idea that every room houses a different suit i wonder , those statues could just represent the mobile suit that these creatures use??????
The Space Jockey's legs, which we never really see in ALIEN anyway, are bad enough, but not liking those boots the more I see of that pic, why couldn't they have been part serpent or something??? >:(
I like the idea that the Space Jockey is more human then creature. I don't think a film featuring intelligent serpents would be as believable nor would I think it command a more serious tone that Prometheus needs. Creatures is what everyone wants the SJ to be, but I like that they're not what we expect whatsoever.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 20, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
I don't think a film featuring intelligent serpents would be as believable
Okay. Why?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 21, 2012, 12:05:20 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 20, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
I don't think a film featuring intelligent serpents would be as believable
Okay. Why?
So you dont complain about it looking like jabba the hut :)
Quote from: PrometheusFire on Jan 21, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 21, 2012, 12:05:20 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 20, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
I don't think a film featuring intelligent serpents would be as believable
Okay. Why?
So you dont complain about it looking like jabba the hut :)
Like everyone else I'll reserve judgement until I see it for real, but I've seen better fan made designs for the Space Jockey, indeed I can think of at least one image that had many of us fooled for a short while. I've never had any problem with the Jockey inside a suit, I just find it hard to believe after all this time it could be a MAN in there, when a humanoid/serpent design could have been just as believable and work just as well. Another lost opportunity perhaps, we'll have to wait and see! :(
I've seen great fan made designs of the Space Jockeys as well, but in all reality, having them rendered as photo real on the big screen may not play out as convincingly as we might think. There have been too many Men In Black type films (or Star Wars prequels) with talking monsters that has happened during the interim between the first Alien and Prometheus. For now, I think Scott has chosen wisely. Thats not to say that it cant be done, but at the moment I cant recall any films that feature talking or intelligent creatures that play well on the screen. You could argue that the Predator has been successful but the only non human aspect of it is its head, its a very human monster.
Honestly I've lived with the idea that the Jockey race is a more creature-like organism but I've just learned to let it go...and as I ponder the notion that they're more human, Im actually more unnerved. What's interesting about the promotional strategy is that the studio seems to be getting us all used to the idea and if we're being honest, the only people who seem to really care or notice are the die hard geeks like me who look for statues in darkened photos. Right now I'm a believer. I have faith that Ridley Scott will deliver 3 for 3 and redefine yet again what Science Fiction is. :) :) :)
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I don't think a film featuring intelligent serpents would be as believable
Okay. Why?
So you dont complain about it looking like jabba the hut :)
I really dont want the Space Jockey to look anything like Jabba the Hutt. :D
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Jabba the Hutt^^
Would love to have seen that guy in Jedi, for all Lucas' comments to the contrary, Declan Mulholland was a fine actor and always will be Jabba the Hutt.
What if the jockey adopts humanoid features when face to face with humanoids:)
Or the blueish guy is actualy a human that was modified with alien dna or something.
The big secret with space jockey's is that we haven't seen their horses yet. They probably ride huge white serpents through out the ship.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 21, 2012, 08:34:02 AM
The big secret with space jockey's is that we haven't seen their horses yet. They probably ride huge white serpents through out the ship.
Im thinking more along the lines that the sjs ride the big white snakes to valhalla and the spaceship tunnels your talking about are actually the man wombs of darth vadars mums great uncle twice removed ( due to a copywrite infringement down at lucasville texas) .
I have actually heard a rumour that the 3 sjs in the movie are micheal jacksons sister sharon , gary coleman ( the different strokes version and not the older much shorter version )and of course rodney dangerfield ( who im told is reprising his role from natural born killers ) and the baby thats born in miss noomi is gonna be half cgi and half rob snyders face , im superstoked man........SUPER STOKED!!!
Oh and as a sidenote im pretty sure that from all the clues i have deciphered from the teaser the classic xeno design has been replaced by a tennis ball on a string ........ But it "does" connect onto a stick later on in the movie :)
And as a double sidenote , news just in from my buddy's sisters second uncles gay lovers lovechilds foster parents ( who work on the movie) have assured me that giger did infact design the tennisball and stick and we "will" be able to see strands of the original aliens dna on it
An official quote from ridley on set
" i had to do something new as the old shape had been done to death "
Im thinking we may even see a queen tennis ball later on in the movie.
That could work :P And they took influence from the comics and the Coleman and Dangerfield jockeys are being telepathically forced to do Space-Jackson's bidding, cleaning out the suits, keeping the ship clean etc.
Laterz on the Space-Jackson gets inside the jumping guy's head and causes it to mutate, forcing him to attack the crew :D
Quote from: Malakak on Jan 21, 2012, 09:08:18 AM
That could work :P And they took influence from the comics and the Coleman and Dangerfield jockeys are being telepathically forced to do Space-Jackson's bidding, cleaning out the suits, keeping the ship clean etc.
Laterz on the Space-Jackson gets inside the jumping guy's head and causes it to mutate, forcing him to attack the crew :D
Dude i completely forgot to put a spoiler tag on my post, do you think itl get flagged...........:)
I think between the both of us we have pretty much cracked it.
P.s dude did you notice the rick james reference in the frame skip at the end of the teaser.......
" f**k your couch darkness" i think its a big clue about the origins of the sj chair :)
Plus i am 93.4% certain that i can hear a lightsabre igniting just before noomi screams at the end........... im thinking major plot twists that even we arnt gonna be able to see coming
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 21, 2012, 08:34:02 AM
The big secret with space jockey's is that we haven't seen their horses yet. They probably ride huge white serpents through out the ship.
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 21, 2012, 08:34:02 AM
The big secret with space jockey's is that we haven't seen their horses yet. They probably ride huge white serpents through out the ship.
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Oh good god where did you find that... :D
Still though there is a possibility that the space jockey could only be 15 inches high. I mean we've only seen the suits so far. The face hugger could be the pilot of the jockey suit too.
The facehugger could be the pilot of the jockey? ;) lol :) :) good one. hehehe
Oooooo i really wanna see a futurama/prometheus trailer now lol.
Anyone else notice that Noomi's escape pod suit doesn't have the orange trims on it that the previously released pic had? Might just be a lighting effect.
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jan 22, 2012, 12:44:57 AM
Anyone else notice that Noomi's escape pod suit doesn't have the orange trims on it that the previously released pic had? Might just be a lighting effect.
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and here's the pic in larger resolution:
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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 14, 2012, 10:50:13 PM
Pity about the compression on this - it's really hard to make out details. I do notice that the 'suits' have strange right arms - look at the wrist on the left arm of each, and then see how straight the right arms are - no wrist at all. Almost as though the right arms have some kind of attachment. It also looks as though there are more suits behind Shaw but it's impossible to be sure. This would lend itself to the statue idea, having statuesque 'sentinels' at the entryway to the pilots room.
-Chris
First post, hi guys, been a lurker round here for a while. Just something I can't see has been pointed out before: the point above about the right arm being straight, as if it has an attachment, and the left being more naturally hand-like, with a wrist. You can see the exact same thing on the mysterious blue man in the brief shot of the space jockey chamber, particularly clear in the shots that people have lightened up.
Now there are several possibilities from this, but at the least I think we can assume that the "blue man" is wearing the body part of the suits in the newly-released still, just not the helmet. As the helmets are space-jockey-like (with the trunks), this may or may not add credence to the idea that he is indeed a space jockey.
Personally I still don't think so though because of the size problem (he just won't fit into that chair IMO) - but I know there's debate about that. But why is he wearing a suit (without helmet) for which the helmet has a space-jockey like appearance?!
Apologies if this has been brought up before. If not I'd love to hear people's thoughts...
Quote from: red_otter on Jan 23, 2012, 04:58:59 PMPersonally I still don't think so though because of the size problem (he just won't fit into that chair IMO) - but I know there's debate about that. But why is he wearing a suit (without helmet) for which the helmet has a space-jockey like appearance?!
I think that there's a pretty good chance that he will be the one donning the smaller SJ-like suit, but I completely agree that he is too small for the chair. My take is that he is named the Engineer because that is quite literally what he is, the ship's maintenance man, created by the SJs as a sort of slave to look after operations. The SJ suit is his spacesuit.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 24, 2012, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: red_otter on Jan 23, 2012, 04:58:59 PMPersonally I still don't think so though because of the size problem (he just won't fit into that chair IMO) - but I know there's debate about that. But why is he wearing a suit (without helmet) for which the helmet has a space-jockey like appearance?!
I think that there's a pretty good chance that he will be the one donning the smaller SJ-like suit, but I completely agree that he is too small for the chair. My take is that he is named the Engineer because that is quite literally what he is, the ship's maintenance man, created by the SJs as a sort of slave to look after operations. The SJ suit is his spacesuit.
-Chris
That all makes sense, and I would be VEry surprised if this figure climbs into the seat and ends up being an SJ like the one in Alien (still less THE one from Alien). Frankly, it would be idiotic given the proportions we can see from this (albeit brief) clip - but that is of course just my opinion.
Where I'm not so sure about your analysis is that the clip, even though it took many people a while to spot the "blue man", nevertheless, in the context of the final film, suggests he is an imposing and powerful figure. I can't honestly see that shot, in a storytelling sense, making much sense without implying that, at the least, that character is quite an important figure at this point in the story (unless they're making a really weird trailer where they're deliberately wrong-footing us about even the emotional impact of a shot, which of course isn't impossible given the level of secrecy and hype that surrounds this film).
Actually I guess that doesn't necessarily preclude your points being wrong either. But if he is a low down workman character then I think, at the least, in this point of the film he's rising above his station.
Quote from: red_otter on Jan 24, 2012, 10:21:34 PMBut if he is a low down workman character then I think, at the least, in this point of the film he's rising above his station.
He may be a low-down workman, but he is a
giant alien low-down workman, so he is far from being unimportant from an audience perspective. But you could also be right that he has risen above his station, being the rebel figure of the Prometheus myth.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 24, 2012, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: red_otter on Jan 24, 2012, 10:21:34 PMBut if he is a low down workman character then I think, at the least, in this point of the film he's rising above his station.
He may be a low-down workman, but he is a giant alien low-down workman, so he is far from being unimportant from an audience perspective. But you could also be right that he has risen above his station, being the rebel figure of the Prometheus myth.
-Chris
Lol i actually think there is a chance he was just photoshopped in to get us thinking and talking about the movie untill its release, the trailer is a sequence of bulletpoints that appear to tell a certain story lol
Notice 01: the trailer starts with the shot of a spaceship
02: it ends with the deralict crashing
03: inbetween those 2 shots are a sequence of events that mimick alien
Pretty much has us all thinking it all happens in that order lol ;)
04: 80% of aliens trailer is footage not even in the movie........
Just some thoughts.......:)
As much as I'm loving these shots, I really hope the filmamkers are just teasing the hell out of us. The Ampule Room head is being mega pimped. As cool as it is, if its the only big set piece style set in the movie (a supposedly EPIC movie), I'll be pretty underwhelmed.
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jan 25, 2012, 11:32:13 PM
As much as I'm loving these shots, I really hope the filmamkers are just teasing the hell out of us. The Ampule Room head is being mega pimped. As cool as it is, if its the only big set piece style set in the movie (a supposedly EPIC movie), I'll be pretty underwhelmed.
I don't know about set piece style "set", but I reckon plenty of the shots in the trailer have demonstrated both big set pieces and awesome epic shots - Prometheus itself, the wide shot of the ship arriving through the clouds, the vehicles driving down the road, the modernised version of the Space Jockey seat, not to mention the clearly amazing set piece of the "derelict" ship blowing up in the air then rolling across the surface.
Given they're probably holding back plenty of awesome moments from the teaser I think that's a pretty good haul :)
Its been said by scott himself
" im keeping all the best stuff locked up"
Love how we all assume in our way that we have seen everything and know the ins n outs of the story and subplots lmao
......AND ALL FROM A MIN OF f**kING FOOTAGE :).....
Im sure we havnt even got a clue about any of the epic stuff yet
Just some thoughts.....
Amen PrometheusFire!
Absolutely. It's been said it's epic on a David Lean scale, and though there are some very nice wide shots in the trailer, and it feels epic because it evokes A L I E N , we haven't really seen anything yet. The conclusions drawn over the jumping man went way over the top.
I hope that there's a good reason why anyone needs to wear a suit that looks like a space jockey
I think........... And i am only using this reference once and once only lmao
The aliens in id4 use creatures from their planet to create thier ships and space/ battle suits :)
Maybe aliens do that because they.......like me......understand that its not only cheaper to grow your own......but your costume also looks waaaay cooler than anything those pesky humans have :)
Just some thoughts pmsl :)
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 26, 2012, 03:47:03 PM
I hope that there's a good reason why anyone needs to wear a suit that looks like a space jockey
maybe they use life sacrifices, bodies to build one of this suits?
but nevertheless: a spacesuit is a spacesuit.
i think real aliens are also gonna make fun of the NASA-spacesuits. :laugh: