Just thought I'd let you know, I uploaded the sewer battle shown on Giga.de to youtube, it has the full sound and everything. :)
Enjoy.
Sorry if this has been posted before or if I'm not allowed to post links and please don't ban me.
Looks pretty cool, I hope theres a fighting scene without heavy music, so I can just here wold and the aliens getting it on.
Great work!
But what the hell am I lookin' at ?
Everything is so dark....can't see shit :(
Quote from: T-X on Dec 20, 2007, 10:49:32 PM
Great work!
But what the hell am I lookin' at ?
Everything is so dark....can't see shit :(
Yeah, that's the bad thing about it. :(
how do they get this footage?
there it is! the aliens getting yanked by their tails and going all ragdoll on the pred. and btw, that part where the pred grabs the two aliens lasts way long then colin originally let on....blah
The sound effect when the alien gets sliced sounds weird , probably my only complaint.
The time when Pred holds the two aliens would be a great time for the Aliens to use their friggin' claws ><. And also it would be a great time for the Predalien to IMPALE the Predator, not tail whip him.
Okay but if the aliens did that, Wolf would die, and than, there goes the predator, and the movies ruined, get it?
Great fight, finally they are showing what avp is all about.
Then they shouldn't have had that scene in the movie in the first place.
Quote from: Gacu666 on Dec 20, 2007, 11:01:43 PM
The time when Pred holds the two aliens would be a great time for the Aliens to use their friggin' claws ><. And also it would be a great time for the Predalien to IMPALE the Predator, not tail whip him.
even predalien can do mistakes ;)
I liked it, loved the aliens on the ceiling
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 11:04:36 PM
Then they shouldn't have had that scene in the movie in the first place.
QFT
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 20, 2007, 11:03:45 PM
Okay but if the aliens did that, Wolf would die, and than, there goes the predator, and the movies ruined, get it?
then they should have had
more than one predator.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:09:15 PM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 11:04:36 PM
Then they shouldn't have had that scene in the movie in the first place.
QFT
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 20, 2007, 11:03:45 PM
Okay but if the aliens did that, Wolf would die, and than, there goes the predator, and the movies ruined, get it?
then they should have had more than one predator.
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Budjet says otherwise
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:09:15 PM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 11:04:36 PM
Then they shouldn't have had that scene in the movie in the first place.
QFT
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 20, 2007, 11:03:45 PM
Okay but if the aliens did that, Wolf would die, and than, there goes the predator, and the movies ruined, get it?
then they should have had more than one predator.
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Budjet says otherwise
no it doesnt. they had plenty of preds in the begining.
dont watch it its the devil...
Quoteno it doesnt. they had plenty of preds in the begining.
True, but fans like me say otherwise.
Predators in groups = BS
Predators alone = The way it was meant to be, also how it should be, also how it
will be.
If they do a avp 3 they should have one predator again.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:09:15 PM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 11:04:36 PM
Then they shouldn't have had that scene in the movie in the first place.
QFT
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 20, 2007, 11:03:45 PM
Okay but if the aliens did that, Wolf would die, and than, there goes the predator, and the movies ruined, get it?
then they should have had more than one predator.
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Budjet says otherwise
no it doesnt. they had plenty of preds in the begining.
more predators whole movie<more money
one scene with multiple<less
I don't see the problem with the Predator grabbing the Alien's tail, it's hardly implausible as long as it gets up quick and fights back.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:19:18 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:09:15 PM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2007, 11:04:36 PM
Then they shouldn't have had that scene in the movie in the first place.
QFT
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 20, 2007, 11:03:45 PM
Okay but if the aliens did that, Wolf would die, and than, there goes the predator, and the movies ruined, get it?
then they should have had more than one predator.
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Budjet says otherwise
no it doesnt. they had plenty of preds in the begining.
more predators whole movie<more money
one scene with multiple<less
avp- had essentially the same budget and had three preds. its hard to see how having multiple predatorsin this movie could have
and should have been done.
Quote from: holdtheline on Dec 20, 2007, 11:20:13 PM
I don't see the problem with the Predator grabbing the Alien's tail, it's hardly implausible as long as it gets up quick and fights back.
which never happens. besides your ignore the obvious: an alien is capable of sending a pred flying with its tail.
Quote
avp- had essentially the same budget and had three preds.
No, Greg said on IMDB that the budget is under 40 mill $.
AvP´s was over.
Quotean alien is capable of sending a pred flying with its tail.
Just in andersons world...
This has a lower budget, second it still cost more, third, that means it has to have screen time for all of them
personal i prefer one great predator fanticly done to...three shity predators
I haven't seen a fight filmed like this since I went to go see Extinction. :-\
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:24:47 PM
This has a lower budget, second it still cost more, third, that means it has to have screen time for all of them
personal i prefer one great predator fanticly done to...three shity predators
the budget for avp was 45 mil the budget for this movie was 40 mil.....wow, big difference there ::)
and personally i prefer one great alien perfectly done to a ton of shitty ones.
QuoteJust in andersons world...
did you
not see the predator go flying in that clip?
Quotethe budget for avp was 45 mil the budget for this movie was 40 mil.....wow, big difference there
I said it is under 40 Million, it could be 33 or 31 million, everything
under 40 million.
Quotedid you not see the predator go flying in that clip?
One difference to the normal alien is the Predalien
Queen. ;)
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:22:55 PM
Quote from: holdtheline on Dec 20, 2007, 11:20:13 PM
I don't see the problem with the Predator grabbing the Alien's tail, it's hardly implausible as long as it gets up quick and fights back.
which never happens. besides your ignore the obvious: an alien is capable of sending a pred flying with its tail.
Seemed like he took it by surprise to me, I couldn't see everything that was going on but the Predator seemed to quickly blast it before it could retaliate.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:24:47 PM
personal i prefer one great predator fanticly done to...three shity predators
As do I. It's a nice contrast to the three bumbling oversized parodies of the first film.
I'd like a great one alien too, but in a vs movie that'll be hard
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2007, 11:32:27 PM
Quotethe budget for avp was 45 mil the budget for this movie was 40 mil.....wow, big difference there
I said it is under 40 Million, it could be 33 or 31 million, everything under 40 million.
Quotedid you not see the predator go flying in that clip?
One difference to the normal alien is the PredalienQueen. ;)
look at its tail, its same as all the others except that it ends in a point not a blade. plus if a warrior alien like grid can do it of course a predalien would be able to .
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:36:57 PM
I'd like a great one alien too, but in a vs movie that'll be hard
only if people have zero imagination ::)
remember Grid?
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 20, 2007, 11:38:11 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 20, 2007, 11:36:57 PM
I'd like a great one alien too, but in a vs movie that'll be hard
only if people have zero imagination ::)
remember Grid?
Well, i meant with it having to be one Earth...in space we could see it
Quotelook at its tail, its same as all the others except that it ends in a point not a blade.
Sry, but it´s much thicker and of course the predalien is much more powerfull then a normal alien. Its a queen after all.
Quoteplus if a warrior alien like grid can do it of course a predalien would be able to .
When a warrior can double its size of the tail for one second, can the predalien do it too then?
Also the predator was impaled when he got thrown, totally different situation then just slapping the predator with the tail and making it then fly.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2007, 11:40:26 PM
Quotelook at its tail, its same as all the others except that it ends in a point not a blade.
Sry, but it´s much thicker and of course the predalien is much more powerfull then a normal alien. Its a queen after all.
Quoteplus if a warrior alien like grid can do it of course a predalien would be able to .
When a warrior can double its size of the tail for one second, can the predalien do it too then?
Also the predator was impaled when he got thrown, totally different situation then just slapping the predator with the tail and making it then fly.
are you seriously arguing that their tail cant do that? even when we have
seen them do it?
when it comes down to it movie>your opinion. ;)
Quoteare you seriously arguing that their tail cant do that?
No they cant, only when impaled.
Quoteeven when we have seen them do it?
But not the same way the predalien does it, thats the whole point of this arguing going on here.
Quotewhen it comes down to it movie>your opinion.
And vice versa. ;)
Is it just me, or does the aliens behaviour in this clip remind me of that scene in Spaceballs:
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2007, 11:47:43 PM
Quoteare you seriously arguing that their tail cant do that?
No they cant, only when impaled.
yeah, cause this is fact.
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 20, 2007, 11:51:53 PM
Is it just me, or does the aliens behaviour in this clip remind me of that scene in Spaceballs:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/Bartleby24/spaceballs1.jpg
yeah unfortunatly. :(
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 20, 2007, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2007, 11:47:43 PM
Quoteare you seriously arguing that their tail cant do that?
No they cant, only when impaled.
yeah, cause this is fact.
No, cause its not proven. Not the same way and not as easy the predalien does it.
And thats a fact.
QuoteIs it just me, or does the aliens behaviour in this clip remind me of that scene in Spaceballs
More like the movie "Aliens" from your beloved James idiot, who turned the aliens into cannon fodder, and not by predators, but
some humans...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2007, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 20, 2007, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2007, 11:47:43 PM
Quoteare you seriously arguing that their tail cant do that?
No they cant, only when impaled.
yeah, cause this is fact.
No, cause its not proven. Not the same way and not as easy the predalien does it.
And thats a fact.
QuoteIs it just me, or does the aliens behaviour in this clip remind me of that scene in Spaceballs
More like the movie "Aliens" from your beloved James idiot, who turned the aliens into cannon fodder, and not by predators, but some humans...
But the xenos in Cameron's Aliens never behaved anything remotely like that. If I'm wrong, please provide an example. I await your pwnage.
QuoteBut the xenos in Cameron's Aliens never behaved anything remotely like that. If I'm wrong, please provide an example. I await your pwnage.
Cameron showed how smart they were for example... by letting them run into the sentry guns in droves.
Or letting vasquez survive an close up alien attack with a normal day handgun.
Letting hicks stick a shotgun into the aliens mouth without it doing anything but to stand there doing nothing and waiting for hicks to perform his line... i really could go on and on.
At least Vasquez got acid blood on her leg. Wolf steps on an Alien's head and doesn't get any blood on him.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 12:07:10 AM
At least Vasquez got acid blood on her leg. Wolf steps on an Alien's head and doesn't get any blood on him.
Havent seen the scene yet, so cant say anything about it.
Well, we know those Aliens Wolf is holding don't do anything, which is ridiculous.
After rewatching aliens i saw about 7 instance where aliens did nothing...
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 12:11:25 AM
Well, we know those Aliens Wolf is holding don't do anything, which is ridiculous.
Same as cameron did with the xenos in "Aliens".
He wanted to do his movie and storyline, shitting on the xenos big time to get his movie done, that was over 20 years ago now, and now you wanne tell me that it is something new that the aliens dont do anything in a couple of scenes?
You should become a newscaster, they dont tell anything new too.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 12:05:31 AM
QuoteBut the xenos in Cameron's Aliens never behaved anything remotely like that. If I'm wrong, please provide an example. I await your pwnage.
Cameron showed how smart they were for example... by letting them run into the sentry guns in droves
Or letting vasquez survive an close up alien attack with a normal day handgun.
Letting hicks stick a shotgun into the aliens mouth without it doing anything but to stand there doing nothing and waiting for hicks to perform his line... i really could go on and on.
That still does not excuse them just standing there paralysed. And I don't buy the explanation that Wolf found a nerve or something.
Btw - the sentry guns didn't kill that many aliens (it was a swarm tactic btw, to test the defences), Vasquez fired two bullets into the alien's head before it fell on her and the alien who was trying to headbite Hicks at least had it's arms occupied by trying to pull the doors open.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 21, 2007, 12:13:38 AM
After rewatching aliens i saw about 7 instance where aliens did nothing...
Please list them here.
I'm not denying the Aliens weren't shat on by Cameron, but that doesn't make it right to do it in this film, especially so blatantly.
Hicks and Vasquez never held Aliens to their face as they did nothing.
In Aliens, we got swarming bugs who were terrifyingly effective in close quarters combat. In AVPR, we get this:
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We can't say how many it killed because there never was any body count, for all we know they lost half the hive or five
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 12:19:04 AM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 21, 2007, 12:13:38 AM
After rewatching aliens i saw about 7 instance where aliens did nothing...
Please list them here.
Can't right off the top of my head...
Vasques' alien buddies didn't do that much just thrash around like its havinf a siesure (not that i minded)
Hicks' shotgun buddy (eat this...love that line)
The Alien in the elevator kinda jumped then waited for the bullets
Queen could have done a whole lot more ::) (i love the fight as is, but i'm sure if it was in AVP-R we'd hear this)
QuoteThat still does not excuse them just standing there paralysed.
Same goes for camerons aliens, he never had an excuse too, but now all the sudden alien fans wants an excuse? Go back 20 years and start bitching, because thats the time the alien became what it is today.
QuoteBtw - the sentry guns didn't kill that many aliens
We atleast see 5 aliens getting blasted away, and those are shots we already saw earlier in the movie :P Talk about low budget of avp 2...
QuoteVasquez fired two bullets into the alien's head before it fell on her
No, it was already on her and did nothing but paddling in the water, then vaquez gave it the head/mouth shot and after that it wiggled arround like a retard... yeahh, cameron showed total respect to the "Perfect organism" ::)
Quoteand the alien who was trying to headbite Hicks at least had it's arms occupied by trying to pull the doors open.
And it wasnt even trying to grap the gun or shaking its head to remove it, it just stands there totally unable to move because of camerons magic and waits for hicks line.
You can tell me what you want and can come up with excuses, cameron did worse then the brothers in every way.
Am i mad Cameron did this?
No, wanna know why?
Because its neccary, if every alien rips people to pieces as soon as they get close enough that'd limit what he could do
Alien in the elevator? Do you mean the one that Hicks shoots? That happens in less than 3 seconds, there is no limpness like in this scene.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 12:28:06 AM
Alien in the elevator? Do you mean the one that Hicks shoots? That happens in less than 3 seconds, there is no limpness like in this scene.
let me give you the uberalien fan arguement..."The alien should have jumped on him in that time"
The most retarded thing still is when the queen just sits there and doing nothing when ripley is burning the whole hive down and giving the queen grenades into the egg sack, the queen just sits there and doing absolutley nothing.
I still laugh my ass off how stupid the scene is. :D
I'm guessing some people don't understand where we are coming from.
Wolf holding Aliens by the neck does not equal an Alien leaping into an elevator as it closes and Hicks shoots it.
The alien in the elevator shot happened in a split second - but you had to slow it down so the audience could understand what was going on.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 12:32:13 AM
I'm guessing some people don't understand where we are coming from.
Wolf holding Aliens by the neck does not equal an Alien leaping into an elevator as it closes and Hicks shoots it.
And wolf holding an alien by the neck does not equal this:
Quotehe most retarded thing still is when the queen just sits there and doing nothing when ripley is burning the whole hive down and giving the queen grenades into the egg sack, the queen just sits there and doing absolutley nothing.
I still laugh my ass off how stupid the scene is.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 12:31:53 AM
The most retarded thing still is when the queen just sits there and doing nothing when ripley is burning the whole hive down and giving the queen grenades into the egg sack, the queen just sits there and doing absolutley nothing.
I still laugh my ass off how stupid the scene is. :D
The Queen was still attached to the egg sac, and calling her warriors to help her.
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 12:33:15 AM
The alien in the elevator shot happened in a split second - but you had to slow it down so the audience could understand what was going on.
i'm sure if this movie did that we'd get whineing...
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 21, 2007, 12:34:51 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 12:33:15 AM
The alien in the elevator shot happened in a split second - but you had to slow it down so the audience could understand what was going on.
i'm sure if this movie did that we'd get whineing...
No you were saying the alien was too slow in the elevator - well that shot went by so fast, but you had to show the alien leaping in, Hicks raising his shotgun and the alien being shot - all that would have happened in less than a second.
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 12:31:53 AM
The most retarded thing still is when the queen just sits there and doing nothing when ripley is burning the whole hive down and giving the queen grenades into the egg sack, the queen just sits there and doing absolutley nothing.
I still laugh my ass off how stupid the scene is. :D
The Queen was still attached to the egg sac, and calling her warriors to help her.
She had no problems with freeing herself from the egg segg after the hive burned down... what logic, really.
Slowly thinking, "shit, now my hive is blasted away, now i can slowly start to react", man cameron is a f**khead, he really is.
Ohh yeah, and those so called warriors where not there when she was calling them, 1 was there, and it was blasted away by ripley with a few bullets... ohh wait point blank, how does it come that she was not acid burned?
mistake over mistake... now lets not talk about avp 2, lets talk about aliens, because this is where it all started.
Wolf shooting an Alien as it leaps at him = good
Wolf holding 2 Aliens to his face for over 5 seconds = dumb.
Hicks Shooting the alien in the elevator shaft = Good.
Hicks shooting the alien with the shotgun in the mouth with the alien doing nothing = dumb
Ohh yeah, and of course the queen thing...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 12:31:53 AM
The most retarded thing still is when the queen just sits there and doing nothing when ripley is burning the whole hive down and giving the queen grenades into the egg sack, the queen just sits there and doing absolutley nothing.
I still laugh my ass off how stupid the scene is. :D
The Queen was still attached to the egg sac, and calling her warriors to help her.
She had no problems with freeing herself from the egg segg after the hive burned down... what logic, really.
Slowly thinking, "shit, now my hive is blasted away, now i can slowly start to react", man cameron is a f**khead, he really is.
Ohh yeah, and those so called warriors where not there when she was calling them, 1 was there, and it was blasted away by ripley with a few bullets... ohh wait point blank, how does it come that she was not acid burned?
mistake over mistake... now lets not talk about avp 2, lets talk about aliens, because this is where it all started.
Well Queens act differently to warriors - I always assumed that her screaming was her summoning the remaining warriors to protect her, so she wouldn't have to lose her egg sac and fight Ripley. Also, she was being showered with shrapnel - I don't think she was in much of a condition to fight at the time.
QuoteWell Queens act differently to warriors - I always assumed that her screaming was her summoning the remaining warriors to protect her, so she wouldn't have to lose her egg sac and fight Ripley. Also, she was being showered with shrapnel - I don't think she was in much of a condition to fight at the time.
Were where the drones then?
Really the Hicks encounter doesn't compare to the aliens not using any of their free limbs. Plus, they had a freer range of movement, much easier to get at Wolf than through the door of the APC at Hicks and co.
QuoteWere where the drones then?
We saw one other drone besides the two that were guarding the queen. The other drones were probably in the main colony complex.
QuoteWell Queens act differently to warriors
Dumber obviously.
Quoteso she wouldn't have to lose her egg sac and fight Ripley.
Alien fans said it themselfes, when something bad happens the reaction is emediantly to kill the prey or to attack them, not just to sit there and doing nothing.
QuoteAlso, she was being showered with shrapnel - I don't think she was in much of a condition to fight at the time.
We dont see any wounds on here, so she wasnt hit by the grenades... later on she fights with the powerloader and you say she wasnt in the condition to fight?
She just sits there retardet doing nothing, what was cameron thinking when he shot the scene, really.
Cameron pisses on the alien in so many ways that it is not even funny anymore.
He faceraped Ash´s speech so hard that it was not only milk that was coming out of his mouth...
However which way you want to interpret that scene - or any other scene in Aliens - nothing comes anywhere close to this:
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I am no hater, I have been consistently defending this film. But a few scenes like this one have just tipped the balance for me.
QuoteBut a few scenes like this one have just tipped the balance for me.
There are more then a few scenes in Aliens that f**k the aliens big time and making them look very very weak, still, most fans considering this movie the best out of the series.
I've actually been finding more and more problems with Aliens the more I watch it. It used to be my favorite, not so much anymore.
I found a lighter version of the scene (plus some other stuff) you can actually see what's going on now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTfd4H3m4nU&feature=related
every movie has problems the quesion is is do they really matter or not
If that guy has the other clips, why doesn't he put them up instead of making a stupid music video out of it. >:(
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 12:58:57 AM
QuoteBut a few scenes like this one have just tipped the balance for me.
There are more then a few scenes in Aliens that f**k the aliens big time and making them look very very weak, still, most fans considering this movie the best out of the series.
That's because a lot of people like to dive in and land on James Cameron's cock no matter what he puts into Aliens.
How the f**k do people get this shit?
Aliens at least showed that they were fast, relentless and if one ever gets ahold of you - you're screwed. The only thing that could keep Cameron's aliens at bay were high powered weapons.
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 01:21:39 AM
How the f**k do people get this shit?
Well certainly not with that kind of attitude :D
Can anyone tell me what's happening in the last part of that fan video? Seriously, things are so dark that it just looks like a blur of wristblades and tails.
Wolf gets whipped through a wall and slashes at the Predalien.
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 01:32:23 AM
Aliens at least showed that they were fast, relentless and if one ever gets ahold of you - you're screwed. The only thing that could keep Cameron's aliens at bay were high powered weapons.
Because the Wolf is fighting the aliens with a stick and a rock. Unless human weapons are better than pred weapons....
QuoteAliens at least showed that they were fast
Where? Sry but you have to help me there, i dont recall any scene where it was shown that they are fast.
Quoteand if one ever gets ahold of you - you're screwed
Yeah, just like vasquez and newt are screwed.
QuoteThe only thing that could keep Cameron's aliens at bay were high powered weapons.
Or a normal day handgun.
Cameron did even worse then the strauses, and im sorry to say that, but if you dont see the mistakes made by cameron, you shouldnt even talk about avp 2, because you just show that you like the same things in aliens that you seem to dislike in avp 2, flaws with the logic here.
Cameron make mistakes...or know how to make a movie....i say the latter
Nice clip, good scene overall. Not perfect tho. I think this movie is going to be geared to a younger audiece from what I've seen to be honest.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 01:40:17 AM
Yeah, just like vasquez and newt are screwed.
What? They were screwed. Vasquez lost her foot, and as a result she dies. Newt was taken away to be caccooned, and would have died had it not been for Ripley.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 01:45:58 AM
What? They were screwed. Vasquez lost her foot, and as a result she dies. Newt was taken away to be caccooned, and would have died had it not been for Ripley.
Vasquez didn't lose her foot, she might have actually survived if the aliens hadn't cornered her like they did as for Newt...what was she, seven?
Acid blood hit Vasquez's foot. As a result, she couldn't walk. Had Gorman not blew themselves up, she would have been taken away and cocooned.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 01:40:17 AM
QuoteAliens at least showed that they were fast
Where? Sry but you have to help me there, i dont recall any scene where it was shown that they are fast.
Did you even watch the movie? All the motion tracker stuff, the alien in the elevator, the aliens in the shafts, the aliens snatching people... pretty much every shot showed aliens moving extremely fast (with maybe the Hicks in the apc bit as one minor exception).
QuoteThe only thing that could keep Cameron's aliens at bay were high powered weapons.
Or a normal day handgun.[/quote]
Shot twice in the head at point blank range, yes.
QuoteCameron did even worse then the strauses, and im sorry to say that, but if you dont see the mistakes made by cameron, you shouldnt even talk about avp 2, because you just show that you like the same things in aliens that you seem to dislike in avp 2, flaws with the logic here.
I'm only judging from the clips shown, and in that one clip it showed much worse than what Cameron ever did.
QuoteWhat? They were screwed. Vasquez lost her foot
Vasquez didnt lost her foot, and that she managed to survive a close combat with an alien and just a hand gun i retarded enough to be true. I mean, she was shooting the alien in the face and mouth and all that gets a little acid is her foot? Cameron...
Quoteand as a result she dies
From a grenade, not even from the alien she just butf**ked in close combat.
QuoteNewt was taken away to be caccooned, and would have died had it not been for Ripley.
She still survived and escaped with ripley who managed to f**k an alien egg and 3 aliens with just a few rounds afterwards...
I have never seen such cannon fodder as a title character like in this film, really.
Followed by the queen who decides to take a seet while her hive gets f**ked... Ohh god.
QuoteShot twice in the head at point blank range, yes.
hat the alien doesnt kill her before it comes to that situation shows camerons love for the creature.
QuoteI'm only judging from the clips shown, and in that one clip it showed much worse than what Cameron ever did.
The queen scene in aliens is more retarded then avp and avp 2 together. This scene is soo stupid that it screams like that cameron had more then one beer before he shot the scene.
Queen being stuck to egg sac and screaming while Ripley destroys the nest < two aliens limply thrashing about while Wolf does nothing but hold their necks with his bare hands
I don't think that Johnny likes Aliens that much....
The point is, Vasquez didn't survive her encounter with the Alien. It's blood did what it was supposed to do, hurt the host even after death in order for other Aliens to take the host away. When that acid hit Vasquez, she was finished because she had no where to go.
finally got to see the graveyard scene i wont put it up cuz of teh demands on here by the bosses of AVPgalaxy so ill respect that but it looks pretty koo i even saved it lol
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 01:49:06 AM
Acid blood hit Vasquez's foot. As a result, she couldn't walk. Had Gorman not blew themselves up, she would have been taken away and cocooned.
True, but the fact remains, Vasquez survived a close encounter with the alien. It's not "keep them at a distance or your f**ked, no matter how skilled you are".
From the clips I've seen, Wolf only seems to take on a maximum of two aliens at close range at a time, using long range weapons to deal with larger numbers of opponents.
QuoteQueen being stuck to egg sac and screaming while Ripley destroys the nest < two aliens limply thrashing about while Wolf does nothing but hold their necks with his bare hands
More like queen doing nothing but screaming when the hive gets destroyed and waggling arround with her arms and head. So she screamed after help? So she gets help from one alien that ripley kills in a second without acid falling on her or the kid she
holds into her arms while she is f**king the aliens?I prefer a predator holding 2 aliens by the throad for a couple of seconds.. really...
QuoteI don't think that Johnny likes Aliens that much....
It would be much better if cameron would not have decided to just f**k aliens all over the place while the queen is watching while her hive is destroyed :P
really, thats why i prefer alien over aliens, or even alien rez, thy showed what an alien is capable of... obviously cameron just didnt care for the alien that much.
QuoteThe point is, Vasquez didn't survive her encounter with the Alien.
The point is she
did. Imagine there was only one alien left, gorman would have just pulled her out of the thing and she could tell ynbody that she f**ked an alien only having her
foot damaged.
i dont think she would have survived an encounter with an predator... only if cameron directed. :P
Technically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her. I don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
In fact, had Chet not whipped the shit out of Wolf, blowing those two Aliens' heads in with the plasma casters would have poured acid blood all over him.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:06:27 AM
Technically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her. I don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
Nope.
QuoteIn fact, had Chet not whipped the shit out of Wolf, blowing those two Aliens' heads in with the plasma casters would have poured acid blood all over him.
Which is probably why he didn't.
Oh boy...Johnny's at it again... :-*
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 02:07:40 AM
QuoteIn fact, had Chet not whipped the shit out of Wolf, blowing those two Aliens' heads in with the plasma casters would have poured acid blood all over him.
Which is probably why he didn't.
He was going too.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:06:27 AM
Technically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her. I don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
No, she killed it already. If his buddies hadn't arrived, then chances are Gorman wouldve pulled her back to where Hicks, Ripley and Newt were and she wouldve survived. And if the Aliens in ALIENS were half as deadly as the fans are making them out to be, than regardless of her holding it's head down with her foot, it wouldve clawed the f**k outta her instead of twitching and convulsing .
Quote from: Gates on Dec 21, 2007, 02:08:35 AM
Oh boy...Johnny's at it again... :-*
Oh boy...Gates' at it again....
Well, not really. ;D
QuoteHe was going too.
I'd say he was considering it...
"Hmm...On the one hand it would be awesome...on the other, I would be showered in acid...the decision is surprisingly hard..."
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:09:11 AM
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 02:07:40 AM
QuoteIn fact, had Chet not whipped the shit out of Wolf, blowing those two Aliens' heads in with the plasma casters would have poured acid blood all over him.
Which is probably why he didn't.
He was going too.
He was in a sticky situation. Maybe he was willing to kill himself.
No, watch as Chet whips Wolf. Just as he is about to shoot them, he gets hit and his plasma casters go off.
And that cauterizing shit ain't true, because when Wolf blasts an Alien up close in the hive, acid shoots all over.
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:10:19 AM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:06:27 AM
Technically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her. I don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
No, she killed it already. If his buddies hadn't arrived, then chances are Gorman wouldve pulled her back to where Hicks, Ripley and Newt were and she wouldve survived. And if the Aliens in ALIENS were half as deadly as the fans are making them out to be, than regardless of her holding it's head down with her foot, it wouldve clawed the f**k outta her instead of twitching and convulsing .
Why does everyone keep ignoring the fact that the alien had got shot twice in the head at point blank range BEFORE Vasquez pinned it's head with her foot? ::)
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:12:34 AM
No, watch as Chet whips Wolf. Just as he is about to shoot them, he gets hit and his plasma casters go off.
And that cauterizing shit ain't true, because when Wolf blasts an Alien up close in the hive, acid shoots all over.
Well stuff kittens in a sack and light them on fire, that's bull!
In the very first predator, the plasma caster cauterized Blaine's chest wound. The Strause's are alien fanboys!
THIS MOVIE WILL BE LIKE WATCHING MY CHILDREN SODOMIZED OVER AND OVER AGAIN! EAARGHHH! ;D
Quote from: Gates on Dec 21, 2007, 02:08:35 AM
Oh boy...Johnny's at it again... :-*
Yeah, i love you too.
QuoteTechnically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her.
It got her foot, nothin else, and if one alien cant kill a handgunned women by itself then you pretty much confirming that the alien strengt is laying in their numbers.
QuoteI don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
I dont ever see that cameron was smart enough that ripley got acid on her even when she was shooting the alien at point blank.
QuoteAnd if the Aliens in ALIENS were half as deadly as the fans are making them out to be
Thats the way it is, they never did anything usefull in the movie that a normal B slasher movie monster cant do too. Thank cameron for that.
QuoteNo, watch as Chet whips Wolf. Just as he is about to shoot them, he gets hit and his plasma casters go off.
Thats another thing, why did wolf just not kill those aliens in a second, he just stands there looking at them, the aliens should have been dead from the beginning, but nooo... talk about poor handling of creatures. :P
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:15:36 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:10:19 AM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:06:27 AM
Technically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her. I don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
No, she killed it already. If his buddies hadn't arrived, then chances are Gorman wouldve pulled her back to where Hicks, Ripley and Newt were and she wouldve survived. And if the Aliens in ALIENS were half as deadly as the fans are making them out to be, than regardless of her holding it's head down with her foot, it wouldve clawed the f**k outta her instead of twitching and convulsing .
Why does everyone keep ignoring the fact that the alien had got shot twice in the head at point blank range BEFORE Vasquez pinned it's head with her foot? ::)
No, she pinned it's head with her foot THEN shot it in the head point blank range. How the hell do you think she got her foot all burnt up? ::)
And with the time it took her to pin it's head with her foot, the thing shouldve been able to claw the hell out of her, not shake and convulse.
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:17:11 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:15:36 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:10:19 AM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:06:27 AM
Technically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her. I don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
No, she killed it already. If his buddies hadn't arrived, then chances are Gorman wouldve pulled her back to where Hicks, Ripley and Newt were and she wouldve survived. And if the Aliens in ALIENS were half as deadly as the fans are making them out to be, than regardless of her holding it's head down with her foot, it wouldve clawed the f**k outta her instead of twitching and convulsing .
Why does everyone keep ignoring the fact that the alien had got shot twice in the head at point blank range BEFORE Vasquez pinned it's head with her foot? ::)
No, she pinned it's head with her foot THEN shot it. How the hell do you think she got her foot all burnt up? ::)
He was talking about when the alien was coming down on top of her from the above shaft...
Wait...why wasn't she sprayed with acid then? :(
Quote
Why does everyone keep ignoring the fact that the alien had got shot twice in the head at point blank range BEFORE Vasquez pinned it's head with her foot?
Ehh what? it was totally unharmed before she pinned its head with her foot...
Sry, but you just cant see the mistakes cameron did because you dont want to, and thats all. Watch the scene again before you start to talk about requiem please.
cameron made the alien the way it is today, a useless bug that cant handle shit, thank you cameron.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 02:16:47 AM
Quote from: Gates on Dec 21, 2007, 02:08:35 AM
Oh boy...Johnny's at it again... :-*
Yeah, i love you too.
QuoteTechnically, she did survive, but she didn't because the Alien still got her.
It got her foot, nothin else, and if one alien cant kill a handgunned women by itself then you pretty much confirming that the alien strengt is laying in their numbers.
QuoteI don't see Wolf getting acid blood on him.
I dont ever see that cameron was smart enough that ripley got acid on her even when she was shooting the alien at point blank.
QuoteAnd if the Aliens in ALIENS were half as deadly as the fans are making them out to be
Thats the way it is, they never did anything usefull in the movie that a normal B slasher movie monster cant do too. Thank cameron for that.
QuoteNo, watch as Chet whips Wolf. Just as he is about to shoot them, he gets hit and his plasma casters go off.
Thats another thing, why did wolf just not kill those aliens in a second, he just stands there looking at them, the aliens should have been dead from the beginning, but nooo... talk about poor handling of creatures. :P
he was deciding whether or not to blast those motherf**kers, but then "oh hi Chet" *gets whacked* "weeeeee"
Quotehe was deciding whether or not to blast those motherf**kers
What is there to think about? The aliens should have been dead, everyone knows this, they clearly prefered the aliens in this scene.
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:15:36 AM
Why does everyone keep ignoring the fact that the alien had got shot twice in the head at point blank range BEFORE Vasquez pinned it's head with her foot? ::)
Not to mention that the alien in question was still alive, just wounded and completely out of the fight...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 02:16:47 AM
Yeah, i love you too.
You don't want me involved in this...I will win, I always win... 8)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 02:16:47 AM
Thats another thing, why did wolf just not kill those aliens in a second, he just stands there looking at them, the aliens should have been dead from the beginning, but nooo... talk about poor handling of creatures. :P
He was actually making fun of how retarded they were, ie:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi21.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb290%2FBartleby24%2Fspaceballs1.jpg&hash=ebb4de1d1e458f967d33de135bfe5e289056bff4)
:D
QuoteNo, she pinned it's head with her foot THEN shot it in the head point blank range. How the hell do you think she got her foot all burnt up?
She shot it twice first before it landed on Vasquez - stunning it - hence why it was thrashing around like that.
is it possible 2 mak that vid lighter?
Quote from: Gates on Dec 21, 2007, 02:21:25 AM
You don't want me involved in this...I will win, I always win... 8)
That's because you're really Jesus dressed up in a clown suit. You can't fool me. 8)
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:23:06 AM
Quote from: Gates on Dec 21, 2007, 02:21:25 AM
You don't want me involved in this...I will win, I always win... 8)
That's because your really Jesus dressed up in a clown suit. You can't fool me. 8)
Gates is wearing a clown suit?
Wait....Jesus?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 02:20:46 AM
Quotehe was deciding whether or not to blast those motherf**kers
What is there to think about? The aliens should have been dead, everyone knows this, they clearly prefered the aliens in this scene.
deciding whether to risk acid blowback. He took the risk but.. youknow
Ya, his disguise may fool you, but not me. I'm like a crack-addicted puma.
At last, my secret is revealed... :P
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:25:00 AM
Ya, his disguise may fool you, but not me. I'm like a crack-addicted puma.
But...Jesus?
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:21:45 AM
She shot it twice first before it landed on Vasquez - stunning it - hence why it was thrashing around like that.
You mean she shot AT it twice, there's nothing that shows it was wounded, otherwise it wouldve been bleeding acid all over the place, would it not?. And even so, by the time it took for her to pin it down with her foot, it couldve been out of it's 'shock'(Though I HIGHLY doubt Aliens get shocked that easily) and clawed her up.
QuoteShe shot it twice first before it landed on Vasquez - stunning it - hence why it was thrashing around like that.
Funny, the last time you said that aliens dont get "stunned" when the scene showed up with wolf slicing the aliens head off.
Why wasnt she acid burned then, the alien was even in body contact with her in the shot when she shot it the first time... Everything you point out just makes it more idiotic. You are downgrading your own creature and favourite alien movie, but you probably know this.
Fact is that the alien did´nt do anything when vasquez shot it, all it did was waggling arround like an idiot, nothing more and nothing less.
QuoteHe was actually making fun of how retarded they were
And it is funny how stupid the aliens were in camerons trash.
i love how defenders of this movie hold up Aliens as the be all end all example of how aliens should be.
forget about, you know, the other 3 movies where they intelligent, strong, and deadly. forget about how 12 aliens took over a military vessel full of soliders. forget about how they were never cannon fodder in Alien, Alien3, or A:R. hell even in avp they were never this pathetic.
Aliens is the exception not the rule on how aliens are portrayed.
lol, we all no gates isnt Jesus, every1 nos that Jesus is a pred fan, not an alien fan ;D
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 02:26:35 AM
And it is funny how stupid the aliens were in camerons trash.
-Slaps Johnny-
NO! NO! BAD JOHNNY, BAD!
-Slaps-
Quotethe other 3 movies where they intelligent, strong, and deadly
I'll give you deadly, I'll give you strong (by human standards) but...intelligent? When?
Quote from: megachu17 on Dec 21, 2007, 02:27:20 AM
lol, we all no gates isnt Jesus, every1 nos that Jesus is a pred fan, not an alien fan ;D
No, Jesus hates both equally... ;)
Quote from: Gates on Dec 21, 2007, 02:29:00 AM
Quote from: megachu17 on Dec 21, 2007, 02:27:20 AM
lol, we all no gates isnt Jesus, every1 nos that Jesus is a pred fan, not an alien fan ;D
No, Jesus hates both equally... ;)
Hehehe...Clown suit....
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:21:45 AM
She shot it twice first before it landed on Vasquez - stunning it - hence why it was thrashing around like that.
You mean she shot AT it twice, there's nothing that shows it was wounded, otherwise it wouldve been bleeding acid all over the place, would it not?. And even so, by the time it took for her to pin it down with her foot, it couldve been out of it's 'shock'(Though I HIGHLY doubt Aliens get shocked that easily) and clawed her up.
aliens are semi bullet proof genius ::) notice how gorman's rounds were bouncing off the alien coming out of the vent? yeah? good. vasquez only got through the exoskeleton because the gun was less than an inch away from the aliens head.
Gates isn't Jesus, he's Jesus in a clown suit.
Big difference.
darn, ya got me there... ;D
Quotedeciding whether to risk acid blowback. He took the risk but.. youknow
Vasquez survived it in an cameron movie, so i think its safe to say that he would have too.
I´m out of this discussion now, cameron f**ked the aliens and made them clowns to laugh about, the strauses are aliens fans, so what do you expect? They are just following camerons rules for the alien.... which are "make the alien dumb and idiotic, i am cameron, no one will say anything"... not to believe that there are fans out there who are actually stupid enough to do that.
Quote-Slaps Johnny-
Slap cameron, he made the alien the "perfect organism... so perfect that you can survive one with an old pistol and some acid on your
foot."
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:30:20 AM
aliens are semi bullet proof genius ::)
Which seems to be his point...
Quotenotice how gorman's rounds were bouncing off the alien coming out of the vent? yeah? good.
They were? In any case, his point was the alien wasn't wounded...
@Marrerom: 1 & 3, yes, against a bunch of prisoners armed with kitchen knives and a space crew armed with a makeshift flamethrower that they didn't get a chance to use because one froze up and another couldn't fire it without killing another crewmember.
Second, A:R Aliens are shown to be more intelligent because of inheriting human DNA(Even one of the doctors says this), IE; coordinating with facehuggers for an ambush, which we never saw normal Aliens do.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:30:20 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:21:45 AM
She shot it twice first before it landed on Vasquez - stunning it - hence why it was thrashing around like that.
You mean she shot AT it twice, there's nothing that shows it was wounded, otherwise it wouldve been bleeding acid all over the place, would it not?. And even so, by the time it took for her to pin it down with her foot, it couldve been out of it's 'shock'(Though I HIGHLY doubt Aliens get shocked that easily) and clawed her up.
aliens are semi bullet proof genius ::) notice how gorman's rounds were bouncing off the alien coming out of the vent? yeah? good. vasquez only got through the exoskeleton because the gun was less than an inch away from the aliens head.
And that somehow excuses it not doing anything while Vasquez has it pinned? ::)
If you'd atleast bothered to read my post, I wasn't even focusing on what rounds were fired, 'genius'. ::)
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 02:28:32 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 02:26:35 AM
And it is funny how stupid the aliens were in camerons trash.
-Slaps Johnny-
NO! NO! BAD JOHNNY, BAD!
-Slaps-
Quotethe other 3 movies where they intelligent, strong, and deadly
I'll give you deadly, I'll give you strong (by human standards) but...intelligent? When?
in alien its out manuvers dallas and comes up behind him so he cant use the flamethrower on it. it also stand between parker and lambert for the same reason. and it gets on the escape ship when it notices that the place is starting to get unstable.
in alien3 it uses divide and conquer tactics separating individuals away from the group and killing them. it also reasiles that they are trying to trap it but goes in anyway because it didnt think dillion would kill himself by staying in the trap.
and they set traps in A:R. stand in front of the hull so that people wont shoot at it. and ecaped the cage by using their own acid blood.
in avp they again used their acid blood both as a weapon (grid) and to free the queen.
boom, headshot. ;)
Honestly, the whole Vasquez scene, while cool, is a crock of shit. If an Alien is so strong, how is Vasquez able to pin one down with her foot?
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:33:41 AM
@Marrerom: 1 & 3, yes, against a bunch of prisoners armed with kitchen knives and a space crew armed with a makeshift flamethrower that they didn't get a chance to use because one froze up and another couldn't fire it without killing another crewmember.
Second, A:R Aliens are shown to be more intelligent because of inheriting human DNA(Even one of the doctors says this), IE; coordinating with facehuggers for an ambush, which we never saw normal Aliens do.
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:34:54 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:30:20 AM
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Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:21:45 AM
She shot it twice first before it landed on Vasquez - stunning it - hence why it was thrashing around like that.
You mean she shot AT it twice, there's nothing that shows it was wounded, otherwise it wouldve been bleeding acid all over the place, would it not?. And even so, by the time it took for her to pin it down with her foot, it couldve been out of it's 'shock'(Though I HIGHLY doubt Aliens get shocked that easily) and clawed her up.
aliens are semi bullet proof genius ::) notice how gorman's rounds were bouncing off the alien coming out of the vent? yeah? good. vasquez only got through the exoskeleton because the gun was less than an inch away from the aliens head.
And that somehow excuses it not doing anything while Vasquez has it pinned? ::)
If you'd atleast bothered to read my post, I wasn't even focusing on what rounds were fired, 'genius'. ::)
the entire scene lasts 4 seconds. that coupled with the fact that it was being shot the whole time and it was in a cramped space where it could barely move and the fact that vasquez died anyway (she would have bleed out it she hadnt been blown up) more than separate this example from the pathetic excuses for aliens are present in avp-r.
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:37:51 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:33:41 AM
@Marrerom: 1 & 3, yes, against a bunch of prisoners armed with kitchen knives and a space crew armed with a makeshift flamethrower that they didn't get a chance to use because one froze up and another couldn't fire it without killing another crewmember.
Second, A:R Aliens are shown to be more intelligent because of inheriting human DNA(Even one of the doctors says this), IE; coordinating with facehuggers for an ambush, which we never saw normal Aliens do.
got any evidence to back up this up? no? didnt think so.
QuoteHonestly, the whole Vasquez scene, while cool, is a crock of shit. If an Alien is so strong, how is Vasquez able to pin one down with her foot?
Thats the whole point of mine, the scene is a huge pile of dog shit, but it is cool.
Same goes for avp-r, it is BS, but is is following a storyline and it looks cool and it is entertaining.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:40:47 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:34:54 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:30:20 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:21:45 AM
She shot it twice first before it landed on Vasquez - stunning it - hence why it was thrashing around like that.
You mean she shot AT it twice, there's nothing that shows it was wounded, otherwise it wouldve been bleeding acid all over the place, would it not?. And even so, by the time it took for her to pin it down with her foot, it couldve been out of it's 'shock'(Though I HIGHLY doubt Aliens get shocked that easily) and clawed her up.
aliens are semi bullet proof genius ::) notice how gorman's rounds were bouncing off the alien coming out of the vent? yeah? good. vasquez only got through the exoskeleton because the gun was less than an inch away from the aliens head.
And that somehow excuses it not doing anything while Vasquez has it pinned? ::)
If you'd atleast bothered to read my post, I wasn't even focusing on what rounds were fired, 'genius'. ::)
the entire scene lasts 4 seconds. that coupled with the fact that it was being shot the whole time and it was in a cramped space where it could barely move and the fact that vasquez died anyway (she would have bleed out it she hadnt been blown up) more than separate this example from the pathetic excuses for aliens are present in avp-r.
Bullshit. I just saw the movie today, and it lasts a hell of a lot longer than 4 seconds. And as you stated before, Aliens are semi-bullet proof, so it wouldn't have matter if she shot it(Like you yourself stated in your post) because it wouldve most likely not even shock it, and it wouldve torn her a new one. So what if it was in an enclosed space? Last time I checked, Aliens do a lot better there than out in the open, do they not?
At least Vasquez wasn't holding two Aliens by the neck for 10 seconds. ;D
ah, but then, Vasquez isnt a pred
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:42:25 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:37:51 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:33:41 AM
@Marrerom: 1 & 3, yes, against a bunch of prisoners armed with kitchen knives and a space crew armed with a makeshift flamethrower that they didn't get a chance to use because one froze up and another couldn't fire it without killing another crewmember.
Second, A:R Aliens are shown to be more intelligent because of inheriting human DNA(Even one of the doctors says this), IE; coordinating with facehuggers for an ambush, which we never saw normal Aliens do.
got any evidence to back up this up? no? didnt think so.
Yeah; the movies. Got any evidence to back up your blatantly obvious overly biased posts? Hell no? Then shut the hell up and stop making an ass out of yourself already.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:36:21 AM
in alien its out manuvers dallas and comes up behind him so he cant use the flamethrower on it.
Well, flanking an opponent seems to be a typical predatory tactic.
Quoteit also stand between parker and lambert for the same reason. and it gets on the escape ship when it notices that the place is starting to get unstable.
We don't know that...
Quotein alien3 it uses divide and conquer tactics separating individuals away from the group and killing them.
Again, purty standard predatory behavior.
Quoteit also reasiles that they are trying to trap it but goes in anyway because it didnt think dillion would kill himself by staying in the trap.
Or, it rushes into the trap that it doesn't notice because Dillion was standing right f**king there. And in that situation when prey stands there stareing at the predator, the predator usually goes in for the kill.
Quoteand they set traps in A:R. stand in front of the hull so that people wont shoot at it.
That might not of been on purpose...
Quoteand ecaped the cage by using their own acid blood.
Those aliens had extra human DNA.
Quotein avp they again used their acid blood both as a weapon (grid)
These aliens also gestated and matured in the span of a few minutes, normal aliens, they were not...
Quoteand to free the queen.
Probably at her direction...the Queens seem fairly smart, the drones...not so much...
Quoteboom, headshot. ;)
Bang, nutshot! ;D
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:44:39 AM
At least Vasquez wasn't holding two Aliens by the neck for 10 seconds. ;D
No, hicks just managed to almost close a door while an alien didnt managed to get it open, then failed to kill him because it was tupid enough to wait until its being shot.
Quoteah, but then, Vasquez isnt a pred
You beat me to it.
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:44:07 AM
Bullshit. I just saw the movie today, and it lasts a hell of a lot longer than 4 seconds. And as you stated before, Aliens are semi-bullet proof, so it wouldn't have matter if she shot it(Like you yourself stated in your post) because it wouldve most likely not even shock it, and it wouldve torn her a new one. So what if it was in an enclosed space? Last time I checked, Aliens do a lot better there than out in the open, do they not?
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no, it last
exactly 4 seconds from where she starts shooting it to where she shoves her foot on its head. 4 seconds. ;)
Quote from: megachu17 on Dec 21, 2007, 02:45:24 AM
ah, but then, Vasquez isnt a pred
Exactly. I doubt vasquez could have enough strength to hurl and in-his-prime Arnie 10 feet back.
Quote4 seconds.
Its longer then that. I know it.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 02:47:40 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:44:07 AM
Bullshit. I just saw the movie today, and it lasts a hell of a lot longer than 4 seconds. And as you stated before, Aliens are semi-bullet proof, so it wouldn't have matter if she shot it(Like you yourself stated in your post) because it wouldve most likely not even shock it, and it wouldve torn her a new one. So what if it was in an enclosed space? Last time I checked, Aliens do a lot better there than out in the open, do they not?
no, it last
exactly 4 seconds from where she starts shooting it to where she shoves her foot on its head. 4 seconds. ;)
[/quote]The movie shows otherwise.
Ok, I just checked the scene of Vasquez again - she actually shoots it twice before it lands on her, then another 4 times before she gets to pin it's head with her foot.
She then shoots it four times in the head, then twice more after she gets acid burned. And the alien is still moving around, not quite dead yet.
That's 12 bullets - all at point blank range into the alien.
If that makes the aliens look weak, then I'm Santa Claus. ::)
Quote from: megachu17 on Dec 21, 2007, 02:45:24 AM
ah, but then, Vasquez isnt a pred
I'm not talking about strength, I mean that the dumbness of the Aliens is more obvious when they are being held high in the air than when held back in a cramped vent. That is somewhat plausible, but Aliens doing nothing that long when having the opportunity to is messed up.
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:48:58 AM
Ok, I just checked the scene of Vasquez again - she actually shoots it twice before it lands on her, then another 4 times before she gets to pin it's head with her foot.
She then shoots it four times in the head, then twice more after she gets acid burned. And the alien is still moving around, not quite dead yet.
If that makes the aliens look weak, then I'm Santa Claus. ::)
If it still had enough strength to be moving around like that, then why didn't it claw the hell out of her? Look at the Runner from A3. It was dumped in boiling hot lead, yet still managed to get out to attack. If the Runner could do that, then why couldn't the Alien in the vent with Vasquez do that?
And why didn't she get acid blood on her after she shot at it before she had to shoot it point blank range? I'm guessing those shots missed, and the Alien couldve still attacked her.
That new music clip looked good. I thought that Dallas wielding the plasma caster wasn't as goofy as it looked in the stills and that the overall look and action was engaging. I was not thrilled with the Predalien's movements when Wolf attacked him however, didn't seem too Alien-like.
QuoteOk, I just checked the scene of Vasquez again - she actually shoots it twice before it lands on her, then another 4 times before she gets to pin it's head with her foot.
And she came not once in touch with acid? :o
Wow, thats even more stupid then i thought it would be.
And we dont see a single hit, so i think she actually missed everytime until she shot the alien in the mouth. Otherwise there would be acid... but otherwise its directed by James Cameron. :P
QuoteShe then shoots it four times in the head
More like in the mouth. feel free to make a screenshot please.
QuoteAnd the alien is still moving around, not quite dead yet.
True, it is moving the same way as it was
before it was shot... how wonderfull, that makes it a ... retard.
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:52:02 AM
If the Runner could do that, then why couldn't the Alien in the vent with Vasquez do that?
Because it had four rounds implanted in it's head...not molten lead that doesn't penetrate the exo-skeleton...
There was no acid when Vasquez shot at it because the bullets couldn't penetrate the exoskeleton until Vasquez put the muzzle right at it's face.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:55:52 AM
There was no acid when Vasquez shot at it because the bullet couldn't penetrate the exoskeleton until Vasquez put the muzzle right at it's face.
Then why was it spazing out?
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 02:52:02 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 21, 2007, 02:48:58 AM
Ok, I just checked the scene of Vasquez again - she actually shoots it twice before it lands on her, then another 4 times before she gets to pin it's head with her foot.
She then shoots it four times in the head, then twice more after she gets acid burned. And the alien is still moving around, not quite dead yet.
If that makes the aliens look weak, then I'm Santa Claus. ::)
If it still had enough strength to be moving around like that, then why didn't it claw the hell out of her? Look at the Runner from A3. It was dumped in boiling hot lead, yet still managed to get out to attack. If the Runner could do that, then why couldn't the Alien in the vent with Vasquez do that?
The runner wasn't shot by bullets. Aliens are not immune to firepower - just resistant to it. Even the makers of Alien acknowledged this.
QuoteAnd she came not once in touch with acid?
9mm bullets would produce less acid spray then explosive tipped bullets. But, yes, there should have been more acid.
QuoteAnd we dont see a single hit, so i think she actually missed everytime until she shot the alien in the mouth. Otherwise there would be acid... but otherwise its directed by James Cameron.
How could she miss at that range?
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 02:56:17 AM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:55:52 AM
There was no acid when Vasquez shot at it because the bullet couldn't penetrate the exoskeleton until Vasquez put the muzzle right at it's face.
Then why was it spazing out?
It didn't spaze out until AFTER it was shot point blank in the face.
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 02:46:21 AM
Well, flanking an opponent seems to be a typical predatory tactic.
and its also quite intelligent.
Quote
We don't know that...
well we dont
not know it either ;)
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Again, purty standard predatory behavior.
not the way it happen in A3 it wasnt. i dont see any lions blowing out candles to get people to go off into the dark alone. i also dont see and bears cutting the power to any houses.
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Or, it rushes into the trap that it doesn't notice because Dillion was standing right f**king there. And in that situation when prey stands there stareing at the predator, the predator usually goes in for the kill.
thats the point. it knew enough to get out of there if the humans were gonna leave because it was probably a trap. it only stayed when dillion decided to sacrifice himself. hardly standard predator behavior.
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That might not of been on purpose...
and it might very well have been on purpose.
Quote
Those aliens had extra human DNA.
evidence of this? none. infact the scientist said
everything had been normal untile the queen(not the warriors) started to change.
Quote
These aliens also gestated and matured in the span of a few minutes, normal aliens, they were not...
they were normal. they just grew fast.
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Probably at her direction...the Queens seem fairly smart, the drones...not so much...
only if you ignore the evidence ;)
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Bang, nutshot! ;D
:o
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 02:55:52 AM
There was no acid when Vasquez shot at it because the bullets couldn't penetrate the exoskeleton until Vasquez put the muzzle right at it's face.
Then why didn't it attack her? It wasn't wounded, and it had enough time that it could overpower her.
@Gates: True, though that still doesn't excuse that the warrior didn't do anything even when it wasn't wounded, it just twitched and convulsed.
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 02:56:17 AM
Then why was it spazing out?
Because it landed upside down and was trying to turn itself over but because it's a creature with a height of 7 plus feet it doesn't have the room to flip over while sharing a 5 square foot space with Vasquez...
QuoteBecause it had four rounds implanted in it's head...not molten lead that doesn't penetrate the exo-skeleton...
Why wasnt it just killing her before it was shot, it is doing nothing when it landed on vasquez, that is ludicrous.
QuoteThere was no acid when Vasquez shot at it because the bullets couldn't penetrate the exoskeleton until Vasquez put the muzzle right at it's face.
It was right in front of the alien, even more closely to the body then on its face, and no acid was on her, the alien was just downplayed in the scene.
QuoteBut, yes, there should have been more acid.
More like, acid at all.
QuoteHow could she miss at that range?
Because the alien was just flouncing like an idiot the whole time... instead of just killing her.
But nooo... she actually manages to kill it with this tiny little gun.
Yeah.... so how 'bout that sewer battle huh ?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 02:59:50 AM
Why wasnt it just killing her before it was shot, it is doing nothing when it landed on vasquez, that is ludicrous.
I just answered that in my last post... ;)
@Yellow Alien - the first two bullets would have harmed the alien, at that range.
QuoteBecause the alien was just flouncing like an idiot the whole time... instead of just killing her.
But nooo... she actually manages to kill it with this tiny little gun.
She has the gun aimed at it's chest.
I'm currently uploading the whole scene. Will take some time, though.
Or what about the second jaw or even the tail or claws, it was not using anything of that.
Just like the queen just sitting there doing nothing.
And how did Newt even survive so long without food or water or without being killed or atleast discovered???
Massive plot holes made by cameron.
QuoteI'm currently uploading the whole scene. Will take some time, though.
Ok.
Upload the queen scene and the APc scene with hicks when you are on it, i want to see all the cameron BS.
Ya, now we can all analyze the shit out of it.
*EDIT*-I just realized the first 4 letters of analyze spells anal.
It's double standards from you marrerom. You should be pissed about the Vasquez incident and the queen incident in aliens, or every other time they aren't acting as the "perfect organism", but you only seem to bash avpr for mistakes made in other movies of the same franchise. A sign of ignorance from those watching this thread.
Quoteand its also quite intelligent.
Not if it's acting on instinct...predatory instinct...
Quotewell we dont not know it either ;)
Then this point is moot and shall not be discussed.
Quotenot the way it happen in A3 it wasnt. i dont see any lions blowing out candles to get people to go off into the dark alone.
How do we know this was on purpose?
Quotei also dont see and bears cutting the power to any houses.
You talking about Aliens or some scene in A3 I forgot about?
There was a Queen in Aliens you know...
Quotethats the point. it knew enough to get out of there if the humans were gonna leave because it was probably a trap. it only stayed when dillion decided to sacrifice himself. hardly standard predator behavior.
No, it was following Ripley, it's baby moma, and the man who was apparently causing her pain before. When the threat stayed, the alien decided the finish off the threat/prey.
Quoteand it might very well have been on purpose.
Or it just happened to be standing in front of the hull as it was stalking it's prey...
Quoteevidence of this? none. infact the scientist said everything had been normal until the queen(not the warriors) started to change.
He was talking about the Queen
Quoteonly if you ignore the evidence ;)
Or interpret it a certain way. ;)
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 03:07:05 AM
It's double standards from you marrerom. You should be pissed about the Vasquez incident and the queen incident in aliens, or every other time they aren't acting as the "perfect organism", but you only seem to bash avpr for mistakes made in other movies of the same franchise. A sign of ignorance from those watching this thread.
Couldnt say that better.
NERD!!!!!
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 03:11:47 AM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 03:09:41 AM
NERD!!!!!
I hate the Alien in your sig...
Atleast this alien isnt retarded... Like in "Aliens" for example.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 03:09:41 AM
NERD!!!!!
As long as we're shouting random words...
Prostitute!
Only retards hate cornbread.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 03:12:32 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 03:11:47 AM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 03:09:41 AM
NERD!!!!!
I hate the Alien in your sig...
Atleast this alien isnt retarded... Like in "Aliens" for example.
True, though the design is pretty crappy. Looks like an overgrown turd with a translucent dome. Much prefer the original designs...
put ur other signature up yellow alien. It looked way cooler
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 03:13:15 AM
Only retards hate cornbread.
Not the cornbread, the Alien. Looks like a giant turd with a dome.Though I don't really care for cornbread myself...
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 03:13:15 AM
Only retards hate cornbread.
-Takes a bite.-
Just like me ma used to make back in the old country...
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 03:14:47 AM
Though I don't really care for cornbread myself...
That's heresy!!!1
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2007, 03:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Cleaner on Dec 21, 2007, 03:14:47 AM
Though I don't really care for cornbread myself...
That's heresy!!!1
Heresy? DIS IZ AVPGALAXY!!!111!1!!*Kicks Yellow Alien into giant hole*
ive never had cornbread... :o
Hey I love cornbread!!! Sewer clip too damn dark. Music video version not as cool. Wanna see this on a clear non-musical screen before I judge...And I can't beleive people are still fighting about this alien limp shit. like any of you are actually going to "win" this argument. Yall can't change each others minds. Just...ah f**k it keep fighting your entertaining me :(
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 03:07:05 AM
It's double standards from you marrerom. You should be pissed about the Vasquez incident and the queen incident in aliens, or every other time they aren't acting as the "perfect organism", but you only seem to bash avpr for mistakes made in other movies of the same franchise. A sign of ignorance from those watching this thread.
um wait ??? , who says that stuff doesnt bother me? those scenes
are stupid, and i have always thought that. what i'm saying here is that avp-r has scenes that are
worse. much worse.
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 03:19:56 AM
ive never had cornbread... :o
You don't know what you're missing.
Vasquez Vs Alien - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=11199.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=11199.0)
Yes, I have no life.. ;)
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 03:20:47 AM
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 03:07:05 AM
It's double standards from you marrerom. You should be pissed about the Vasquez incident and the queen incident in aliens, or every other time they aren't acting as the "perfect organism", but you only seem to bash avpr for mistakes made in other movies of the same franchise. A sign of ignorance from those watching this thread.
um wait ??? , who says that stuff doesnt bother me? those scenes are stupid, and i have always thought that. what i'm saying here is that avp-r has scenes that are worse. much worse.
queen and sentry guns scenes are the worst IMO. No matter what "tactics" were going on. Didn't seem like a whole lot of tactics hahaha
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 03:07:35 AM
Not if it's acting on instinct...predatory instinct...
it has a "highly evolved form of instinct" - Dr. wren
Quote
How do we know this was on purpose?
you saw it purposfully stay there didnt you?
QuoteYou talking about Aliens or some scene in A3 I forgot about?
There was a Queen in Aliens you know...
alien3. and yes i know there was a queen in aliens
Quote
No, it was following Ripley, it's baby moma, and the man who was apparently causing her pain before. When the threat stayed, the alien decided the finish off the threat/prey.
it obviouslyt knew something was up. infact it tries to leave but morse closes the door.
Quote
Or it just happened to be standing in front of the hull as it was stalking it's prey...
i guess you just thrown this example in with all the other "coincidences" dont you?
Quote
He was talking about the Queen
he said
everything. but i'm curious...where is your proof the aliens had too much human D.N.A.?
Quote
Or interpret it a certain way. ;)
interpreting it
your way is the only way to come to the conclusion that they are not intelligent it seems.
:P
Quotequeen and sentry guns scenes are the worst IMO. No matter what "tactics" were going on. Didn't seem like a whole lot of tactics hahaha
I agree, they are a lot worse.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 03:37:31 AM
Quotequeen and sentry guns scenes are the worst IMO. No matter what "tactics" were going on. Didn't seem like a whole lot of tactics hahaha
I agree, they are a lot worse.
yeah the sentry guns thing retarded stupid. i cant think of any animal that would do that... :-\
but, if you hold a gun to my head and ask which way would i rather have aliens killed.
by running into gun fire or by being man handled and thrown around by their tails...i choose running into gunfire.
All the films have inconsistencies, I put it down to the directors wanting things their way in their own films..I mean the creature in Alien 3 seems to have god-like durablity compared to it's counterparts in any of the other Aliens films when it falls into the molten lead. I always though Aliens were tough, but that scene was a little silly IMO.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 03:43:26 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 03:37:31 AM
Quotequeen and sentry guns scenes are the worst IMO. No matter what "tactics" were going on. Didn't seem like a whole lot of tactics hahaha
I agree, they are a lot worse.
yeah the sentry guns thing retarded stupid. i cant think of any animal that would do that... :-\
but, if you hold a gun to my head and ask which way would i rather have aliens killed.
by running into gun fire or by being man handled and thrown around by their tails...i choose running into gunfire.
Again, it wasn't killed by the tail grab, once it hit the floor the Predator immediately blasted it with his shoulder weapon.
The molten lead is very plausible. Aliens can take severe heat because of their tough exoskeleton.
Quoteit has a "highly evolved form of instinct" - Dr. wren
Instinct still.
Quoteyou saw it purposfully stay there didnt you?
Well, no, I saw a young hunting predator blew out the candles because it didn't have the foresight to hold it's breath when it's that close to it's prey. Wasn't this scene it's first hunt?
Quotealien3
Which scene?
Quoteit obviouslyt knew something was up. infact it tries to leave but morse closes the door.
It's been a loooong time since I've seen the movie and I don't have it on hand, so I'll deal with this on a later date.
Quotei guess you just thrown this example in with all the other "coincidences" dont you?
Happenstance, actually. The acid blood is doing what it's supposed to do, keep people from blowing it the f**k away on a starship.
Quotehe said everything. but i'm curious...where is your proof the aliens had too much human D.N.A.?
When the Queen pooped a baby, I'm fairly sure that a lot of human material bleed over to the Queen and filtered down into her spawn.
Quoteinterpreting it your way is the only way to come to the conclusion that they are not intelligent it seems.
Well, I am a heartless bastard...
How long have these aliens been active anyway? Could have a major impact on their intelligence..
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 03:54:56 AM
Well, no, I saw a young hunting predator blew out the candles because it didn't have the foresight to hold it's breath when it's that close to it's prey.
gasp! yet
another "concidence" ;)
QuoteWasn't this scene it's first hunt?
ya
Quote
When the Queen pooped a baby, I'm fairly sure that a lot of human material bleed over to the Queen and filtered down into her spawn.
for the newborn yes but not the normal aliens.
Quote
Well, I am a heartless bastard...
How long have these aliens been active anyway? Could have a major impact on their intelligence..
you know i have always wondered how smart an alien would be if it lived for say 10 years. afterall, look how smart they are after a few days.
The tail swing seems alright to me, because it happened in AVP and i never doubted a predator could man handle an alien.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 04:02:52 AM
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 21, 2007, 03:54:56 AM
Well, no, I saw a young hunting predator blew out the candles because it didn't have the foresight to hold it's breath when it's that close to it's prey.
gasp! yet another "concidence" ;)
QuoteWasn't this scene it's first hunt?
ya
Quote
When the Queen pooped a baby, I'm fairly sure that a lot of human material bleed over to the Queen and filtered down into her spawn.
for the newborn yes but not the normal aliens.
Quote
Well, I am a heartless bastard...
How long have these aliens been active anyway? Could have a major impact on their intelligence..
you know i have always wondered how smart an alien would be if it lived for say 10 years. afterall, look how smart they are after a few days.
How can they gain intellegence with time? I have never seen an alien studying a maths textbook.
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 04:05:28 AM
How can they gain intellegence with time? I have never seen an alien studying a maths textbook.
are you serious?
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 04:03:45 AM
The tail swing seems alright to me, because it happened in AVP and i never doubted a predator could man handle an alien.
Agreed. I can say that Wolf squashing a Xeno with his foot is stretching things however, but maybe that has something to do with his big foot spikes..
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 04:07:55 AM
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 04:05:28 AM
How can they gain intellegence with time? I have never seen an alien studying a maths textbook.
are you serious?
yes. I'm not up to date with avp res. By intellegence do you mean skills at fighting or something? I don't see how intellect can develop by doing the same behaviour. Explain I haven't watched alien res in a year
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 04:27:01 AM
yes. I'm not up to date with avp res. By intellegence do you mean skills at fighting or something? I don't see how intellect can develop by doing the same behaviour. Explain I haven't watched alien res in a year
You don't need to see the film to know that they'd get smarter with time. All animals can learn. It's, y'know...kinda the way life works. ;)
So your saying an insect can learn to use tools with time?
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 04:32:35 AM
So your saying an insect can learn to use tools with time?
insects no. aliens yes.
the queen in aliesn used an elevator, and the alien from A:R used the button to kill the guard.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 04:32:35 AM
So your saying an insect can learn to use tools with time?
Who said anything about tools?
I placed no parameters on the knowledge, I only stated that animals
can learn.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 04:32:35 AM
So your saying an insect can learn to use tools with time?
why does learning have to be using tools?
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2007, 04:36:35 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 04:32:35 AM
So your saying an insect can learn to use tools with time?
Who said anything about tools?
I placed no parameters on the knowledge, I only stated that animals can learn.
Sure but gaining intellect by explicitly doing the same behaviour defies logic. An alien is not going to get smarter simply walking around the hive. Maybe it would get better at killing things but what your implying is they slowly gain intellect untill they can have a conversation with you.
Quote the film for me where they gain intellegence. Sure i get that a hive will gain intellegence in learning its surroundings and how to master the localised prey. But, continuing to gain intellegence from no known reason is stupid. If it's not quote movie and my mistake, because to me you guys are implying the development of their intellegence is boundless when their behaviour is essentially stagnent and repetative. "Oh cocoon human... kill some shit.. start over"
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 05:25:18 AM
Quote the film for me where they gain intellegence.
Aliens: We can't bumrush the sentry guns. Let's try going around.
Alien 3: These guys
really want me to go into this particular area (the piston). I'm staying out.
Alien Resurrection: Button = Liquid nitrogen = pain. And oh! I can use it on
other things. Whee!
QuoteIf it's not quote movie and my mistake, because to me you guys are implying the development of their intellegence is boundless when their behaviour is essentially stagnent and repetative. "Oh cocoon human... kill some shit.. start over"
Hardly.
There's really no way to fall into a totally perpetual repeating cycle. In the end something would change and the Aliens would learn from it. That's how it goes and that's what's being talked about.
Not too forget that the Aliens set up multiple amubushes during Aliens and Resurrection. The Alien in Alien 3 also managed to outsmart the prisoners, as it didn't stay along their intended path.
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 05:25:18 AM
...because to me you guys are implying the development of their intellegence is boundless when their behaviour is essentially stagnent and repetative. "Oh cocoon human... kill some shit.. start over"
No one implied any such thing. Do you think that you'll get smarter and smarter as you age, until you're the smartest person on the planet? Of course not. But you do learn things and remember them and adapt your subsequent behaviour accordingly, do you not? So do the Aliens.
Yea I totally agree that they can learn things from new experiences. But sitting on their asses doing nothing (without interaction with prey) will not mean they get smarter. Sorry just an earlier post said imagine if they lived for 10 years. If they had constant interaction then yea.. but if they are just hibernating in the hive they wouldn't gain new intellgence as they would experience nothing new.
The aliens in Aliens blindly ran into the sentry guns. If they were that smart they would have found an alternative route after one of theirs hit the floor.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 08:57:21 AM
The aliens in Aliens blindly ran into the sentry guns. If they were that smart they would have found an alternative route after one of theirs hit the floor.
Humans have a long, sad history of sending wave after wave of people into gunfire. Unarmed people. And guess what? Unlike the Aliens, they never bothered to try finding a way around! They just waited until someone realised how f**king stupid they were being and bring in the big guns.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 08:57:21 AM
The aliens in Aliens blindly ran into the sentry guns. If they were that smart they would have found an alternative route after one of theirs hit the floor.
Humans have a long, sad history of sending wave after wave of people into gunfire. Unarmed people. And guess what? Unlike the Aliens, they never bothered to try finding a way around! They just waited until someone realised how f**king stupid they were being and bring in the big guns.
Aliens are not humans. It wasn't like the queen said. 'Okay everybody, run into gunfire.'
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
Aliens are not humans. It wasn't like the queen said. 'Okay everybody, run into gunfire.'
And it wasn't like the Aliens had ever seen anything like a sentry gun before or had any possible way of knowing how to deal with them.
Besides which, the point still stands.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
Aliens are not humans. It wasn't like the queen said. 'Okay everybody, run into gunfire.'
And it wasn't like the Aliens had ever seen anything like a sentry gun before or had any possible way of knowing how to deal with them.
Besides which, the point still stands.
I'm just saying that xenomorphs aren't the epitome of super intelligence. They have basic problem solving skills. Cavemen are more intelligent.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:32:27 AM
I'm just saying that xenomorphs aren't the epitome of super intelligence.
No one said they were. They were arguing that Aliens are not complete retards, that's all.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:32:27 AM
I'm just saying that xenomorphs aren't the epitome of super intelligence. They have basic problem solving skills. Cavemen are more intelligent.
They aren't run-into-the-wall, don't-retaliate-when-you're-being-attacked stupid, either. They can clearly learn; if we saw a group live past a few weeks in a variety of circumstances we'd see them becoming more and more intelligent.
Also consider that we've never
once seen Aliens in their natural habitat. Raise a human child, or group of children, without any form of human interaction outside themselves, and see how well
they compare.
They said they can learn beyond hive mind. Which as much as I love aliens, know it's not very true. There instinctive and on the top of the food chain which is why they do so well.
And I never said aliens are retards. They are quite smart when it comes to basic animalistic urges.
So we all actually agree after all?
That's settled then. :)
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:39:16 AM
They said they can learn beyond hive mind. Which as much as I love aliens, know it's not very true.
Given you've only seen weeks-old Aliens with
very limited experiences to learn from, and without any real
need to develop into anything more complex, you can't say that.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2007, 09:40:30 AM
So we all actually agree after all?
That's settled then. :)
I'm not! I like to think Aliens can be more than just ... I'd say glorified, but after AvPR I think a genuine oversized space termite would be cooler than an Alien.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 09:41:27 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:39:16 AM
They said they can learn beyond hive mind. Which as much as I love aliens, know it's not very true.
Given you've only seen weeks-old Aliens with very limited experiences to learn from, and without any real need to develop into anything more complex, you can't say that.
Neither can you.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:43:06 AM
Neither can you.
I'm not the one making definite statements - You're the one flat-out saying they
can't develop outside the hive mind. I'm saying
maybe they
could.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:43:06 AM
Neither can you.
I'm not the one making definite statements - You're the one flat-out saying they can't develop outside the hive mind. I'm saying maybe they could.
Because we've seen what they can do. The xenomorphs in Aliens were around for at least a bit. It's not like they are babies and don't know how to do anything. We've seen the cycle and it's limits. Hudson compared it to Ants. I wouldn't call ants very intelligent. They have a vicious cycle which works for them.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:46:39 AM
Because we've seen what they can do. The xenomorphs in Aliens were around for at least a bit.
They were around for a few weeks, and their only learning experience before the marines rocked up was learning how to take out lightly armed civilians.
QuoteIt's not like they are babies and don't know how to do anything.
It's
exactly like that. The Aliens aren't only vicious, they're ignorant. We're seeing Aliens developing totally independently from their natural surroundings and acquired knowledge - A human child raised outside of human influence isn't going to turn out anything like a 'normal' person because they don't have the influence of acquired intelligence, knowledge, and behavioural structure. Inherited capabilities can only take anything so far.
QuoteI wouldn't call ants very intelligent.
Speaking of ignorance ...
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 09:50:01 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:46:39 AM
Because we've seen what they can do. The xenomorphs in Aliens were around for at least a bit.
They were around for a few weeks, and their only learning experience before the marines rocked up was learning how to take out lightly armed civilians.
QuoteIt's not like they are babies and don't know how to do anything.
It's exactly like that. The Aliens aren't only vicious, they're ignorant. We're seeing Aliens developing totally independently from their natural surroundings and acquired knowledge - A human child raised outside of human influence isn't going to turn out anything like a 'normal' person because they don't have the influence of acquired intelligence, knowledge, and behavioural structure.
QuoteI wouldn't call ants very intelligent.
Speaking of ignorance ...
Aliens aren't humans. Take a lion out of Africa is still going to act like a lion. But after time you can train it. We've seen that aliens can't be taught at all, so why would they develop this higher thinking? Aliens are a basic hive mind. Bee's sting what they don't know. As soon as they can fly, they get to work. It's not like they get stronger by having human interaction, they just realize that something is bothering them and needs to get stung.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
Take a lion out of Africa is still going to act like a lion.
No, take a lion out to Africa away from the other lions and it's going to starve to death because it can't learn to hunt properly. Naturally strong, vicious, yes. Naturally capable hunters? To a point, but they need training.
QuoteWe've seen that aliens can't be taught at all,
Push button, make pain.
Run here, die. Don't run here, don't die.
Follow people into room, get locked in. People try to get you into room again,
don't go in.
We've seen them learn. They react to stimulus, and re-arrange their thinking. What else is learning if not that?
QuoteBee's sting what they don't know.
No, bees sting what threatens them.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
Take a lion out of Africa is still going to act like a lion.
No, take a lion out to Africa away from the other lions and it's going to starve to death because it can't learn to hunt properly. Naturally strong, vicious, yes. Naturally capable hunters? To a point, but they need training.
QuoteWe've seen that aliens can't be taught at all,
Push button, make pain.
Run here, die. Don't run here, don't die.
Follow people into room, get locked in. People try to get you into room again, don't go in.
We've seen them learn. They react to stimulus, and re-arrange their thinking. What else is learning if not that?
QuoteBee's sting what they don't know.
No, bees sting what threatens them.
Pretty basic. And the aliens in A:R were f**ked up anyway. Something that spawns from a queen that makes a human/alien hybrid has to be messed up. Aside from the hive mind...what else is there? Aside from being more aware of hostility. There not going to go out of there way to prevent humans from comming. If anything, they need the hostile organism. Ooh, you hurt, but come here so I can stick this facehugger onto you.
Meh, f**k YouTube. The video was removed already!
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:59:19 AM
Pretty basic.
The don't-go-into-the-room thing requires thought which overpowers base instinct. That alone shows that they aren't driven purely by a hive-minded primitive instinctual intelligence.
QuoteSomething that spawns from a queen that makes a human/alien hybrid has to be messed up.
"At first, everything was normal".
Hell, why do you even keep using 'hive mind' as some sort of
downplay? Go take a look at ant species some time - Some of them have developed
agriculture, while others
enslave other ants.
Bloody disgusting put it up with the new clips. Head on over to that thread.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 09:59:19 AM
Pretty basic.
The don't-go-into-the-room thing requires thought which overpowers base instinct. That alone shows that they aren't driven purely by a hive-minded primitive instinctual intelligence.
QuoteSomething that spawns from a queen that makes a human/alien hybrid has to be messed up.
"At first, everything was normal".
Hell, why do you even keep using 'hive mind' as some sort of downplay? Go take a look at ant species some time - Some of them have developed agriculture, while others enslave other ants.
I'm saying that hivemind has limits. If you start to crush ants with your foot they are start freaking out and running around. Sure fireants attack you, but it's all just basic instinct to attack. Take winter. They've figured out that cold=death so gather food and live underground. Not that hard.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:09:09 AM
I'm saying that hivemind has limits.
And yet Aliens can function perfectly fine without a hive-mind. In fact they seem to function
better without it.
Aliens don't even seem to have that much of a 'hive mind' to begin with. Their attacks are much more co-ordinated than ants bum-rushing someone stepping on them, and there are
so many behavioural differences between ants and Aliens seen in the movies I really don't know why you insist in comparing them.
Even comparing them, you ignore the fact that ants, while they don't have technology or advanced mathematics, have developed some incredibly intelligent features.
I'm not saying Aliens should start making tools, just that they shouldn't be exclusively limited to running around, f**king, and killing like you seem to think they should.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:09:09 AM
I'm saying that hivemind has limits.
And yet Aliens can function perfectly fine without a hive-mind. In fact they seem to function better without it.
Aliens don't even seem to have that much of a 'hive mind' to begin with. Their attacks are much more co-ordinated than ants bum-rushing someone stepping on them, and there are so many behavioural differences between ants and Aliens seen in the movies I really don't know why you insist in comparing them.
Even comparing them, you ignore the fact that ants, while they don't have technology or advanced mathematics, have developed some incredibly intelligent features.
I'm not saying Aliens should start making tools, just that they shouldn't be exclusively limited to running around, f**king, and killing like you seem to think they should.
What else do aliens do besides live for the hive? Go golfing? The aliens didn't bum rush the turrets? I mean, I'll give them Jurassic Park Raptor intelligence. But instead of opening doors they just smash them in.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:15:50 AM
The aliens didn't bum rush the turrets?
They then stopped and thought of a way around.
QuoteI mean, I'll give them Jurassic Park Raptor intelligence. But instead of opening doors they just smash them in.
Except for the two times they opened doors in
Aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:15:50 AM
The aliens didn't bum rush the turrets?
They then stopped and thought of a way around.
QuoteI mean, I'll give them Jurassic Park Raptor intelligence. But instead of opening doors they just smash them in.
Except for the two times they opened doors in Aliens.
Everything can figure a way out after they realize turret=death. Besides, they only did that once. The other turrent went dry because the aliens kept advancing. The xenomorph in alien 3 obviously had trouble with doors.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:19:09 AM
The xenomorph in alien 3 obviously had trouble with doors.
The xenomorph in
Alien3 never saw how to use a door. Pressing a button on a wall to make another bit of a wall movie requires slightly more deductive reasoning than pushing a handle down on something to make it go swingy-swingy.
Besides which, it shows not all Aliens have the same knowledge and, thus, are entirely capable of learning.
Like I said, I'm not talking about tool-making intelligence here. Just wolf/dolphin intelligence.
God, so we pretty much agree with each other. What a waste of time. God damn you SiL.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
God, so we pretty much agree with each other.
How are we agreed? You want them to run around in a hive doing nothing but arbitrarily killing and procreating.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:26:08 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
God, so we pretty much agree with each other.
How are we agreed? You want them to run around in a hive doing nothing but arbitrarily killing and procreating.
You never answered my question on what else do they do?
At first I thought the Sewer Battle scene would turned out to be a huge disappointment, but boy was I wrong... I actually thought it's great, especially the Wolf Predator uses it's twin shoulder cannons to blast all of those Aliens to death and using it's own superalien strength by holding on to both of the Aliens' necks and finishes them both.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:27:44 AM
You never answered my question on what else do they do?
Develop. A form of agriculture. Host farming.
lol video been took down haha
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:27:44 AM
You never answered my question on what else do they do?
Develop. A form of agriculture. Host farming.
Last I checked they were all just sleeping when there were no hosts in Aliens.
"Hey guys what you wanna do now that we got all the colonists?"
"Let's all just hibernate/sleep until more come."
Quote from: MartyPredator on Dec 21, 2007, 10:35:29 AM
lol video been took down haha
Yep and you know what that means. YouTube has issues when it comes to copyright and censorship.
Youtube is a piece of shit like that. They took down f**king BOB ROSS. What the hell. Now I have to scrounge for bob ross videos.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:36:29 AM
Last I checked they were all just sleeping when there were no hosts in Aliens.
Ignorant Aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:36:29 AM
Last I checked they were all just sleeping when there were no hosts in Aliens.
Ignorant Aliens.
I call bullshit. All the aliens were ignorant? Your just making excuses now.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:43:55 AM
I call bullshit. All the aliens were ignorant? Your just making excuses now.
Like I said, we've got Aliens raised in a foreign environment away from Aliens that are lineated from the very first Aliens.
Like I said. A person raised out in the wild is not going to know how to use a computer, perform complex mathematical functions, know what a TV is or have the faintest clue how it works the way it works, read, write, use a calculator, a toilet.
When we see Aliens in their homeworld,
then we can say something definitively.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:37:48 AM
Youtube is a piece of shit like that. They took down f**king BOB ROSS. What the hell. Now I have to scrounge for bob ross videos.
And not to mention that YouTube is alleged to be favoring over Islam, often taking down anti-Al Qaeda and anti-Islamic terrorism sentiments and also known to ban users who dared to speak up about Allah's atrocities in the Koran (or quran).
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:43:55 AM
I call bullshit. All the aliens were ignorant? Your just making excuses now.
Like I said, we've got Aliens raised in a foreign environment away from Aliens that are lineated from the very first Aliens.
Like I said. A person raised out in the wild is not going to know how to use a computer, perform complex mathematical functions, know what a TV is or have the faintest clue how it works the way it works, read, write, use a calculator, a toilet.
When we see Aliens in their homeworld, then we can say something definitively.
The homeworld will probably just be giant hive, somewhat hot and doing the same shit they did in aliens. All creatures do something when they aren't under attack or have no interactions with other creatures. They don't just sit on their asses and sleep. Whats the excuse? Lazy aliens? Come on.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 21, 2007, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:37:48 AM
Youtube is a piece of shit like that. They took down f**king BOB ROSS. What the hell. Now I have to scrounge for bob ross videos.
And not to mention that YouTube is alleged to be favoring over Islam, often taking down anti-Al Qaeda and anti-Islamic terrorism sentiments and also known to ban users who dared to speak up about Allah's atrocities in the Koran (or quran).
Bah, the internet is a dictatorship.
That prolly goes down under inciting hate speech ...
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:49:59 AM
The homeworld will probably just be giant hive, somewhat hot and doing the same shit they did in aliens.
Thank God you'd never write a movie featuring the home world.
After getting more of my knowledge on Aliens from the games, I've got a hunch that they can feed on any protein matter such as us humans, Predators, animals and other species (both extraterrestrial and organic matter).
I am thinking whether Aliens and Predators do sleep. :-\
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:51:33 AM
That prolly goes down under inciting hate speech ...
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:49:59 AM
The homeworld will probably just be giant hive, somewhat hot and doing the same shit they did in aliens.
Thank God you'd never write a movie featuring the home world.
I said probably. What else would it be? Not a hive? Maybe it could be a grouping of hives. I know that generally aliens make a hive structure and build it near something warm. For all we know, Lv-426 is the homeworld and aliens were engineered.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:54:47 AM
I said probably. What else would it be? Not a hive? Maybe it could be a grouping of hives. I know that generally aliens make a hive structure and build it near something warm. For all we know, Lv-426 is the homeworld and aliens were engineered.
Maybe they don't even have a hive structure. Maybe they developed to a point where they realise the only thing the Queen is good for is pooping eggs.
We don't know. They're not humans - And they're certainly not ants. They're
aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:54:47 AM
I said probably. What else would it be? Not a hive? Maybe it could be a grouping of hives. I know that generally aliens make a hive structure and build it near something warm. For all we know, Lv-426 is the homeworld and aliens were engineered.
Maybe they don't even have a hive structure. Maybe they developed to a point where they realise the only thing the Queen is good for is pooping eggs.
We don't know. They're not humans - And they're certainly not ants. They're aliens.
But really, would you expect anything other than some sort of hive? Anything else would piss off fans too much even in Scotts hands.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:58:08 AM
But really, would you expect anything other than some sort of hive? Anything else would piss off fans too much even in Scotts hands.
Most Alien fans don't want the Aliens to be hive-like bugs the rest of their lives.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:58:08 AM
But really, would you expect anything other than some sort of hive? Anything else would piss off fans too much even in Scotts hands.
Most Alien fans don't want the Aliens to be hive-like bugs the rest of their lives.
Poll what fans would think if the homeworld was hiveless. 'Weird' comes to mind.
It is also said that Aliens have scientific latin name of their own too, such as Internecivus raptus (for murderous thief, because they are both murderous and loves to steal flesh from a human body) and Linguafoeda acheronsis (known as foul tongue in the comics).
That's just my theory.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:58:08 AM
But really, would you expect anything other than some sort of hive? Anything else would piss off fans too much even in Scotts hands.
Most Alien fans don't want the Aliens to be hive-like bugs the rest of their lives.
The Alien seemed to be constantly evolving in the original. It would be interesting to see where they came from and if there is more to their "society" than just the hive mind of an insect.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:50:52 AM
Bah, the internet is a dictatorship.
True, especially the fact that Germany's Internet privacy was being intruded by it's own government.
And seriously, I can't understand why YouTube favors over Islam.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 21, 2007, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:50:52 AM
Bah, the internet is a dictatorship.
True, especially the fact that Germany's Internet privacy was being intruded by it's own government.
And seriously, I can't understand why YouTube favors over Islam.
I mean, hostings sites are all powerful. When it comes to site space, people can make you pay whatever they want.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
I mean, hostings sites are all powerful. When it comes to site space, people can make you pay whatever they want.
Yeah, and that's what some of the people say, you need money to build up your own site unless of course if it is a free website builder such as FreeWebs or FortuneCity.
Can you believe flash, dreamweaver and their ilk costs $400 dollars? It's bullshit.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 10:43:55 AM
I call bullshit. All the aliens were ignorant? Your just making excuses now.
Like I said, we've got Aliens raised in a foreign environment away from Aliens that are lineated from the very first Aliens.
Like I said. A person raised out in the wild is not going to know how to use a computer, perform complex mathematical functions, know what a TV is or have the faintest clue how it works the way it works, read, write, use a calculator, a toilet.
When we see Aliens in their homeworld, then we can say something definitively.
They have their queen (mother) and thats all they need. You say they have genetic memory. They are the perfect organism and should be no different in a "homeworld". If they are dormant aliens (like in aliens before rines came) they cannot develop intellegence from doing the same thing. But if they are constantly fighting or facing new foe then I'm sure they can learn.
But I disagree that a foriegn environment will make a difference. They have both a queen and genetic memory to instruct them plus instincts.
And your up in arms about avpr's treatment of aliens, what about Aliens? Queen Ripley scene sentry guns, wheres yellow_alien? Don't act like this is the first time aliens have been downgraded.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 11:56:47 AM
Can you believe flash, dreamweaver and their ilk costs $400 dollars? It's bullshit.
You kidding me? I never heard of it until you mentioned it.
f**k man, are these people out for cash grabs or what?
Quote from: gases on Dec 21, 2007, 12:43:26 PM
They have their queen (mother) and thats all they need.
If my momma weren't raised by her momma she'd be pretty useless making me act like a regular person.
QuoteYou say they have genetic memory.
I don't.
QuoteAnd your up in arms about avpr's treatment of aliens, what about Aliens? Queen Ripley scene sentry guns, wheres yellow_alien? Don't act like this is the first time aliens have been downgraded.
I'm sorry, but where in
Aliens did we see a marine holding two Aliens back by the necks with them incapable of defending themselves? Where did we see a marine stomp an Alien's face in with just their foot? Where did we see a marine holding back an Alien singlehandedly with enough time to shoot another before single-handedly flipping the Alien across a corridor and shooting its head off?
The Aliens were all shot to death. There's not much they can do about that. But they still fought on and when they got their hands on the marines, they didn't just flail like retards and let themselves get killed.
Quote'm sorry, but where in Aliens did we see a marine holding two Aliens back by the necks with them incapable of defending themselves?
True, we just saw a queen doinf nothing but paddling with her arms when her hive gets destroyed, we see ripley shooting aliens at point blank range without any acid falling on her, we see hicks sticking the shotgun into the aliens mouth while the alien just holds very still waiting for hicks to perform his line, or vasquez surviving an point blank alien attack with nothing but her foot being burned, or getting acid in the face or acid in general on her body while she is shooting the alien point blank while it is just slapping arround... Cameron started this, not the bros.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 21, 2007, 11:56:47 AM
Can you believe flash, dreamweaver and their ilk costs $400 dollars? It's bullshit.
You can get the full Macromedia suite (well its adobe now, but I dont know what theyre calling it these days) for free. Just download the torrent. ;D
$400 is very cheap in comparison to the retail price (laughs at the idea of paying money for software) of other Adobe programs.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 08:01:23 PM
True, we just saw a queen doinf nothing but paddling with her arms when her hive gets destroyed,
Let's forget that she's attached to not only an ovipositer, but her back is connected to the hive itself.
Quotewe see ripley shooting aliens at point blank range without any acid falling on her,
Point blank? No we don't.
Quotewe see hicks sticking the shotgun into the aliens mouth while the alien just holds very still waiting for hicks to perform his line,
We see an Alien trying to open a door against
two marines while attempting to headbite Hicks.
Quoteor vasquez surviving an point blank alien attack with nothing but her foot being burned, or getting acid in the face or acid in general on her body while she is shooting the alien point blank while it is just slapping arround...
A) The entire scene takes place in seconds, from Vasquez shooting it down from the vent above her to killing it.
B) It's a cramped location. Vasquez has her entire body into pinning the Alien at that one single point and Aliens are bulky. It doesn't have room to maneuver.
C) If anything the acid splash from the pistol wound is more realistic than blood pissing everywhere - Believe it or not, but in the real world not every wound results in six liters of gore.
Cameron started lots of Aliens. He didn't start retard Aliens that don't fight back - That was very much the Strause Brothers.
EDIT
Hehehe ... sex liters ...
QuoteCameron started lots of Aliens. He didn't start retard Aliens that don't fight back - That was very much the Strause Brothers.
No the Alien in the vent had plenty of room to defend itself. But it did f**k all when Vasquez pinned it and started shooting.
No to mention that if you watch the Sewer clip, there is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination. Would be easy to believe considering the Predators knowledge of Alien nerve endings as shown in AVP.
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:16:51 PM
No the Alien in the vent had plenty of room to defend itself. But it did f**k all when Vasquez pinned it and started shooting.
Plenty of room? There was barely enough room for Vasquez and the thing's
head - How was there "plenty of room"? Every shot of the Aliens that we see in the vents show them barely fitting in.
Not to mention the entire scene takes place in about half the time Wolf has the Aliens in his hands.
QuoteNo to mention that if you watch the Sewer clip, there is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination.
Yet leaves it with enough coordination and motor control to latch on to the Predator's hands.
QuoteLet's forget that she's attached to not only an ovipositer, but her back is connected to the hive itself.
Attached to the hive? Nope, just to the egg sag, and
after the hive burned down she decides to go after ripley... the scene is so stupid i laugh every time how bad it is directed.
QuotePoint blank? No we don't.
Yes we do, right after ripley destroyed the hive and newt is telling her that an alien is behind her.
Again, stupid.
QuoteWe see an Alien trying to open a door against two marines while attempting to headbite Hicks.
No, we see it loosing against hicks and then when the other guys are coming to help him it wants to headbite him (what it could do miles before that) and then we see hicks sticking the shotgun into its mouth while the alien is absolutley doing nothing but waiting for hicks to perform his line... cheeesyy...
QuoteA) The entire scene takes place in seconds, from Vasquez shooting it down from the vent above her to killing it.
B) It's a cramped location. Vasquez has her entire body into pinning the Alien at that one single point and Aliens are bulky. It doesn't have room to maneuver.
C) If anything the acid splash from the pistol wound is more realistic than blood pissing everywhere - Believe it or not, but in the real world not every wound results in sex liters of gore.
Tell me what you want, there is a thread in the alien section with screenshots, the scene is a huge pile of dog shit, vaquesz surviving an point blank alien is shitty as hell... but not as shitty as the aliens running into sentry guns in droves... AVP 2´s aliens are retardet, but not as much as in camerons bullshit trash.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:16:51 PM
No the Alien in the vent had plenty of room to defend itself. But it did f**k all when Vasquez pinned it and started shooting.
Plenty of room? There was barely enough room for Vasquez and the thing's head - How was there "plenty of room"? Every shot of the Aliens that we see in the vents show them barely fitting in.
Not to mention the entire scene takes place in about half the time Wolf has the Aliens in his hands.
There was plenty of room for it to lash out with its hands or extremely flexible tail.
QuoteQuoteNo to mention that if you watch the Sewer clip, there is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination.
Yet leaves it with enough coordination and motor control to latch on to the Predator's hands.
Its hands are there before he squeezes. It reaches to rip his arm away from it's throat, then he squeezes and it can't do anything useful.
Quotethere is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination
Oh come on grasping at straws much? Even if Aliens did have pressure points similar to those in a human, their reaction is still beyond extreme.
QuoteAttached to the hive? Nope, just to the egg sag, and after the hive burned down she decides to go after ripley... the scene is so stupid i laugh every time how bad it is directed.
So what? The Queen and the sac just float in mid air? The Queen and the egg sac are secured to the walls/ceiling by huge amounts of resin.
QuoteThere was plenty of room for it to lash out with its hands or extremely flexible tail.
I think you need to look at the space inside the vents again, I would estimate they wern't much wider than 4ftX4ft. An Alien crawling on all fours filled the entire vent.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 08:20:15 PM
Attached to the hive? Nope,
Yup.
QuoteYes we do, right after ripley destroyed the hive and newt is telling her that an alien is behind her.
That's not 'point blank', doofus.
QuoteNo, we see it loosing against hicks
Try watching the scene. It's pushing Hicks back.
Quoteand then we see hicks sticking the shotgun into its mouth while the alien is absolutley doing nothing but waiting for hicks to perform his line...
Hicks does the line
while sticking the shotgun into its mouth.
Quotecheeesyy...
Coming from a Pred fanboy, that means nothing.
Quotethere is a thread in the alien section with screenshots,
Screenshots don't give you pacing.
Quotevaquesz surviving an point blank alien is shitty as hell...
Point blank in a location where the Alien was grossly disadvantaged. Hmm.
Quotebut not as shitty as the aliens running into sentry guns in droves
And you know it was droves, how? We get half a dozen six-frame inserts of Aliens for the entire sentry gun sequence.
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:22:30 PM
There was plenty of room for it to lash out with its hands or extremely flexible tail.
No, there wasn't. Its tail would have to bend almost entirely in on itself in order to be able to hit Vasquez.
QuoteIts hands are there before he squeezes. It reaches to rip his arm away from it's throat, then he squeezes and it can't do anything useful.
They can't do anything useful before he squeezes, either.
Their tail is more than flexible enough to strike the shit out of her.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 08:27:51 PM
QuoteYes we do, right after ripley destroyed the hive and newt is telling her that an alien is behind her.
That's not 'point blank', doofus.
Why do you always resort to name calling? It's just childish.
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:30:28 PM
Why do you always resort to name calling? It's just childish.
I always saw doofus as just another way of saying 'silly'. It's not meant as an insult.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:30:28 PM
Why do you always resort to name calling? It's just childish.
I always saw doofus as just another way of saying 'silly'. It's not meant as an insult.
Fair, but it could be interpreted that way. And it's not
really necessary is it?
QuoteSo what? The Queen and the sac just float in mid air? The Queen and the egg sac are secured to the walls/ceiling by huge amounts of resin.
When her hive gets destroyed she just sits there watching and paddling with her arms, it is stupid and poorly done.
When the hive is destroyed then she decides to rip herself off the egg sag.. wow, what was cameron thinking (or drinking?) when he shot the scene.
QuoteYup.
Nope.
QuoteThat's not 'point blank', doofus.
Close enough to get acid in the face, just like drake, who was standing away a couple of feets and still got acid in his face. The scene is stupid.
QuoteTry watching the scene. It's pushing Hicks back.
Nope, its loosing, then gets blasted away.
QuoteHicks does the line while sticking the shotgun into its mouth.
Nope, he sticks the shotgun in, then he says the line... again, the alien doing nothing is stupid and...cheesyyy...
QuoteComing from a Pred fanboy, that means nothing.
Coming from an alien fanboy, it means "Cameron".
QuoteScreenshots don't give you pacing.
Then why dont you watch the movies?
QuotePoint blank in a location where the Alien was grossly disadvantaged. Hmm.
It was even coming from above on vaquez and then... going spastic, yeah, cameron really faceraped ash´s speech about the "perfect organism" so hard that it was not only milk that was coming out of ash´s mouth....
QuoteAnd you know it was droves, how? We get half a dozen six-frame inserts of Aliens for the entire sentry gun sequence.
Because hicks says so when ripley and hudson is coming to him shitting their pants. And those little shots of the aliens falling away are all shots that we see earlier in the movie... talk about low budget avp2...
Cameron f**ked the alien in every way, he showed no respect to him, just changing the design and putting them like stupid bugs that cant handle to kill a handgunnned women point blank.
Cameon is a f**khead, the alien sereis should have stopped with "Alien".
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:35:58 PM
Fair, but it could be interpreted that way. And it's not really necessary is it?
Is Johnny Handsome's Alien-fan baiting really necessary? No, and I don't see
anyone telling him to knock it off.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 08:36:45 PM
Nope.
Yup.
QuoteClose enough to get acid in the face, just like drake, who was standing away a couple of feets and still got acid in his face. The scene is stupid.
The smartgun made the Alien explode into tiny pieces. Ripley's pulse rifle didn't.
QuoteNope, its loosing, then gets blasted away.
It only starts loosing when
two people start pushing against it. Hicks almost has the door close, and the Alien manages to push it open despite him pushing against it.
QuoteNope, he sticks the shotgun in, then he says the line... again, the alien doing nothing is stupid and...cheesyyy...
Please try watching the scene. He says the line while shoving the gun into the Alien's mouth, not after.
QuoteComing from an alien fanboy, it means "Cameron".
That makes no f**king sense.
QuoteThen why dont you watch the movies?
Neither does that.
QuoteIt was even coming from above on vaquez and then... going spastic,
Coming from above Vasquez,
then got shot.
QuoteBecause hicks says so when ripley and hudson is coming to him shitting their pants.
Hicks is basing it off a blurry low-quality 1980s laptop. Yeah, he's really gonna have an accurate count.
you really do need to stop this^^ ::)
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:35:58 PM
Fair, but it could be interpreted that way. And it's not really necessary is it?
Is Johnny Handsome's Alien-fan baiting really necessary? No, and I don't see anyone telling him to knock it off.
Use the 'Report to Moderator' function when this happens, and I will act on it. Otherwise I don't really know. I'm not omnipotent.
QuoteWhen her hive gets destroyed she just sits there watching and paddling with her arms, it is stupid and poorly done.
When the hive is destroyed then she decides to rip herself off the egg sag.. wow, what was cameron thinking (or drinking?) when he shot the scene.
You can quite clearly see huge black "rods" behind the queen. She is suspended above ground level as her legs are tucked up under her body. After the belt of grenades explodes, she falls down
then pulls herself lose.
QuoteBecause hicks says so when ripley and hudson is coming to him shitting their pants.
When asked "How many?" Hicks responds "Can't tell. Lots." If they are watching the same monitors that we can see, then it's impossible to get an accurate count due to all the smoke and debris.
QuoteIs Johnny Handsome's Alien-fan baiting really necessary? No, and I don't see anyone telling him to knock it off.
I wonder why ::)
QuoteYup.
Nope.
QuoteThe smartgun made the Alien explode into tiny pieces. Ripley's pulse rifle didn't.
Yes it did.
QuoteIt only starts loosing when two people start pushing against it. Hicks almost has the door close, and the Alien manages to push it open despite him pushing against it.
Its almost closed, and it satys that way, why? <because of camerons bad directing and respect for the creature.
QuotePlease try watching the scene. He says the line while shoving the gun into the Alien's mouth, not after.
Watch the scene again, he says it after.
QuoteThat makes no f**king sense.
Just like you being on this board.
QuoteNeither does that.
Maybe when you are older you will understand. ;)
QuoteComing from above Vasquez, then got shot.
Nope, going spastic and waggling like it was trying to look stupid.. like it ultimately did.. again, bad directing and handeling from a "Perfect lifeform".
QuoteHicks is basing it off a blurry low-quality 1980s laptop. Yeah, he's really gonna have an accurate count.
It is high tech, or atlest it should, just like the motion trackers, so you are wrong on this.
OMG the dumbest discussion ever specially because its way off topic and should be discussed in the Alien movies section ::)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 08:49:28 PM
QuoteThat makes no f**king sense.
Just like you being on this board.
Actually, that makes perfect sense. He's a fan of the Alien and Predator films.
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:52:54 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 08:49:28 PM
QuoteThat makes no f**king sense.
Just like you being on this board.
Actually, that makes perfect sense. He's a fan of the Alien and Predator films.
I meant the
avp 2 board.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:52:54 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 08:49:28 PM
QuoteThat makes no f**king sense.
Just like you being on this board.
Actually, that makes perfect sense. He's a fan of the Alien and Predator films.
I meant the avp 2 board.
Oh, that would be because he wants to discuss AVP2. I would assume.
Johnny I dunno what to say. You are arguing against things that are clearly seen on film. Have you even watched the movie recently? Judging from your comments I can't imagine that you have. You're making about as much sense as someone arguing that the Aliens are all bright pink. "They ARE bright pink, I KNOW they're bright pink, I've SEEN them! You're ALL wrong!".
Yikes. I banned both of you last week and you're doing the same thing all over again? Why do you keep replying to each others posts?
Quote from: Darkness on Dec 21, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
Yikes. I banned both of you last week and you're doing the same thing all over again? Why do you keep replying to each others posts?
You are right. I´ll stop now.
Quoteif i were you i d lock this mofo
For this comment
you should be banned. :P
Quote from: Darkness on Dec 21, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
Yikes. I banned both of you last week and you're doing the same thing all over again? Why do you keep replying to each others posts?
We aren't doing the same thing. You banned us for insulting each other; we're just having a (up until Johnny's last reply) relatively civil argument about the finer points of the portrayal of the Aliens in James Cameron's 1986 tour de force. That's all. ;)
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Dec 21, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
Yikes. I banned both of you last week and you're doing the same thing all over again? Why do you keep replying to each others posts?
We aren't doing the same thing. You banned us for insulting each other; we're just having a (up until Johnny's last reply) relatively civil argument about the finer points of the portrayal of the Aliens in James Cameron's 1986 tour de force. That's all. ;)
I think he's getting at the fact your heading down the same road you were last time...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 09:00:16 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Dec 21, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
Yikes. I banned both of you last week and you're doing the same thing all over again? Why do you keep replying to each others posts?
You are right. I´ll stop now.
Quoteif i were you i d lock this mofo
For this comment you should be banned. :P
you misunderstood me, by "mofo"i meant this thread ::)
Quote from: karhan on Dec 21, 2007, 09:04:37 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 09:00:16 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Dec 21, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
Yikes. I banned both of you last week and you're doing the same thing all over again? Why do you keep replying to each others posts?
You are right. I´ll stop now.
Quoteif i were you i d lock this mofo
For this comment you should be banned. :P
you misunderstood me, by "mofo"i meant this thread ::)
Ok, sry then.
Why bother? The depth of these arguments goes WAY beyond the level of scrutiny "Aliens" can take.
Iam tiered of this bickering around on this site, for now i bid you farewell, iam going on vacation so ill be back 2 weeks from now, and well merry chrsitmass and a happy new year, and the only thats for sure about me in 2008 ..is well, noting's for shure :o 8)
As for this sewer scene, it's not bad, but it's not great.
Quote from: jimmylace on Dec 21, 2007, 09:09:02 PM
Why bother? The depth of these arguments goes WAY beyond the level of scrutiny "Aliens" can take.
As aliens could ever have any "Class"... low budget cameron flick...
eh, the sewer scene is ok, its always fun 2 c Wolf man-handle aliens and 2 c Chet tail whip the snot out of him, but that "haha, im pinching ur nerve" thing aint the best thing in the world(wish i could get a lighter vid of it tho...)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 09:11:50 PM
Quote from: jimmylace on Dec 21, 2007, 09:09:02 PM
Why bother? The depth of these arguments goes WAY beyond the level of scrutiny "Aliens" can take.
As aliens could ever have any "Class"... low budget cameron flick...
This is why these arguments start, and you end up getting banned alongside the person you drew in...
Pointless comment.
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 09:20:24 PM
Pointless comment.
Very.
It's fine to say you personally happen to gain more entertainment from one film over the other, but a completely different thing to then go on expounding how one's supposedly a cinematic masterpiece and the other's nothing but a squirming turd laying writhing around on the floor, in such a way as to claim anyone who disagrees is somehow insane.
Top 100 lists from critics and the public, alike, show that the likes of Handsome are wrong.
Yes, you can say '
Predator' is more your cup of tea than '
Alien' and I suspect some people do, but what's been said on here is clearly stepping over that line.
QuoteTop 100 lists from critics and the public, alike, show that the likes of Handsome are wrong.
No, they show that my likes are
different, there is no wrong and right in terms of opinions.
Where did everyone go? :)
I was just starting to have a good time... :-\
lol how many times has SiL been banned?
sewer scene was ok but way to dark adn nerve theory is bulls***
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2007, 04:02:52 AM
gasp! yet another "concidence" ;)
Well no, inexperience. And mood setting.
Quotefor the newborn yes but not the normal aliens.
Um, why? If extra D.N.A bled over to the Queen, why wouldn't it filter down to her other children.
Quoteyou know i have always wondered how smart an alien would be if it lived for say 10 years. afterall, look how smart they are after a few days.
After ten years, I'd say a drone would probably be at caveman level of intelligence, with a Queen being insanely smart, like, Einstein smart. The problem is, we don't know how long they can live for.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 21, 2007, 08:30:28 PM
Why do you always resort to name calling? It's just childish.
I always saw doofus as just another way of saying 'silly'. It's not meant as an insult.
Hey doofus, why don't you acknowledge the mishaps of the "perfect specimin" in Aliens instead of shitting on AVPR like it's the first time.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 21, 2007, 09:50:09 PM
QuoteTop 100 lists from critics and the public, alike, show that the likes of Handsome are wrong.
No, they show that my likes are different, there is no wrong and right in terms of opinions.
If all opinions were equal then Plan 9 from Outer Space is just as good as Gone With the Wind. Hey, some people must like Plan 9 from Outer Space, right, so it all comes down to opinion..?
Quote from: gases on Dec 22, 2007, 02:26:49 AM
Hey doofus, why don't you acknowledge the mishaps of the "perfect specimin" in Aliens instead of shitting on AVPR like it's the first time.
Because it
is the first time. They were shit on in
Aliens, yes, but nowhere nearly as bad as this.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 02:39:12 AM
Quote from: gases on Dec 22, 2007, 02:26:49 AM
Hey doofus, why don't you acknowledge the mishaps of the "perfect specimin" in Aliens instead of shitting on AVPR like it's the first time.
Because it is the first time. They were shit on in Aliens, yes, but nowhere nearly as bad as this.
Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, but how was the Alien in Alien any more powerful than the Aliens in Aliens? I'm not talking thematically, I'm talking physically. The Alien in the first didn't seem and stronger, faster or smarter than the Aliens version.
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 22, 2007, 02:43:24 AM
I'm not talking thematically, I'm talking physically.
I'm talking thematically. And then in this movie, thematically and physical.
I have to admit, it's never dull around here.. ;)
not trying to start nothing here but that scene were wolf grabs the laiens but the necks is in deed funny and nice n it might be true wh someone wrote here be4 it might a presure point leaving them paralized i mean look at how realived they look after seening death in the face, after mommy comes and saves them LOL
One thing I can say, as much as I appreiciate alien 1, the poor drone was very alien like indeed but very slow, it didn't do that much. It even yawned for god's sake. Which I do agree Alien's main theme was trying to survive and escape, and horror. I am glad JC made the aliens more fast, and more threat apposed to the drone. One thing I can say is how would you be able to fit the Alien 1 type drone fighting a predator? The alien would move very slow, and the pred would take the alien for the kill. (Not too sure.) But what I am saying is the more aliens there are, the more they get killed, same goes for predators. The aliens are decent in this movie so far, even through Wolf the more expearenced hunter can hunt and becomes superior to the other aliens, unless its like 10 againest 1. The reason the pred alien is so tough is because of its traits from the predator, + the alien traits, and who knows what the hell the hormones did, and shes molting into a preitorian, or as we can say young queen in growing.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 02:39:12 AM
Quote from: gases on Dec 22, 2007, 02:26:49 AM
Hey doofus, why don't you acknowledge the mishaps of the "perfect specimin" in Aliens instead of shitting on AVPR like it's the first time.
Because it is the first time. They were shit on in Aliens, yes, but nowhere nearly as bad as this.
So it's the first time even though it happened before years earlier just not as bad?
The shitting on is comparable/debatable. The aliens are as deadly as I have ever seen them in this movie.
Its funny how people will still fine things to diss about. The aliens in this movie, are imagineable, and excellent! I love how they pop out from surroundings, (camofauge) Its amazing how much can be improved from a ugly movie before that rymes with faul Onderson. Yes I know WOLDDD d badass! he CILLS ALL!! But the more aliens there are, the more that get killed, thats why Wolf isnt dieing, theres only 1 predator, what if he died after the first encounter? Well than the movie would shit on its self.
Quote from: gases on Dec 22, 2007, 03:15:42 AM
The aliens are as deadly as I have ever seen them in this movie.
Which is why they're totally incapable of touching Wolf?
A rule in basic alien movies:
QuoteBut the more aliens there are, the more that get killed, thats why Wolf isnt dieing, theres only 1 predator, what if he died after the first encounter? Well than the movie would shit on its self.
::)
The issue isn't that the Predator can't die due to the anti-climax in his death. It's that most casual viewers are going to ask a) why he's bothering to "clean" up, and b) why we don't see more Predators come with him. From the reviews, the etchings and intro don't seem to be helping in selling the "expert" angle.
Yawning has nothing to do with boredom. I've yawned during Aliens, Predator, blah, blah, blah.
People have taste in different films. I know people who find Alien to be just another film, but find Superbad to be the best movie they've ever seen.
^ Agreed, some will like Avp, and AR. And than some would love the slow, suspense horror of A3 and A.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 03:22:00 AM
Quote from: gases on Dec 22, 2007, 03:15:42 AM
The aliens are as deadly as I have ever seen them in this movie.
Which is why they're totally incapable of touching Wolf?
Wolf is one predator. If there were more than it would be different. I would like to know who's choice it was to feature one predator vs an infestation. Many foes vs 1 hero = foes suck. 1 foe vs hero = the foe is startlingly good (people have said this before). Just how it works. Btw Wolf is elder but the sewer scene is quick enough for me to disregard their apparent lack of motor function as I remember all the times in the previous movies where aliens didn't seize every opportunity, but remember it's a movie and they cannot possibly seize every moment or we would have no movie.
Perhaps it's the CGI but i have never seen IMO more deadly aliens.
But still, other movies have denigrated the aliens, not just the sewer scene in avpr, which I think is the only real scene of "bias".
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 22, 2007, 03:26:28 AM
The issue isn't that the Predator can't die due to the anti-climax in his death. It's that most casual viewers are going to ask a) why he's bothering to "clean" up, and b) why we don't see more Predators come with him. From the reviews, the etchings and intro don't seem to be helping in selling the "expert" angle.
One of several things I've been concerned over, since the project began. The explanation for its behaviour is usually that it's meant to be some sort of expert, but I'm fearing there's going to be nothing in the film to set out that it's truly any different from any other example of its species.
For the audience to believe this is a "Super Predator" (as our German friends dubbed it), it has to be better than any we've seen before. All I've seen is a Predator that displays slightly greater skill than the Predator 2 Predator, if even that, with more toys. Maybe the movie will prove me wrong. But I really don't see how you can sell that to fans of both creatures when a concept like this would probably only work if the Predator pulled a Battle of Thermopylae and took them all on at once.
QuoteBut I really don't see how you can sell that to fans of both creatures when a concept like this would probably only work if the Predator pulled a Battle of Thermopylae and took them all on at once.
I think it's pretty clear that they're really only trying to sell the Predator to its own fanbase. Was speaking to my friend who's a HUGE Predator fan and he described this film as a "massive fan service" because from his perspective, he was going to get to see everything he'd ever wanted from a Predator. Specifically; 1 Predator dominating against impossible odds. As far as he's concerned, this is EXACTLY the way an AVP movie should be made and it's EXACTLY how a Predator should be portrayed.
As you can imagine I had to restrain myself from hitting him upside the head with the nearest solid object. See, when I talk to my other friends who are either fans of both franchises or not particularly bothered, one of the first things they ask is "Why is there only 1 Predator against so many Aliens?" then when I explain the "super Predator" concept it's met with negativity. "Super Predator? Sounds lame/cheesy/corny. So a whole hive of Aliens won't be able to kill a single Predator? I don't buy it." Etc. Etc. They also seem to draw the conclusion that the Predator is the star of the movie, which reinforces my belief that this movie is going to feel like Predator 3: Bug Hunt.
The concept of the "Super Predator" is really too huge a pill for me to swallow but hey, if the Strause's can suprise me and pull it off I'd have nothing but praise for them. Unfortunately so far everything is pointing towards my worst fears, that Wolf's survival will rely on audience suspension of disbelief more than anything else.
The predator in the movie is perfect. If only the aliens were buffed up as much haha!
Even though i don't think they have been downgraded.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 22, 2007, 01:37:55 PM
QuoteBut I really don't see how you can sell that to fans of both creatures when a concept like this would probably only work if the Predator pulled a Battle of Thermopylae and took them all on at once.
I think it's pretty clear that they're really only trying to sell the Predator to its own fanbase. Was speaking to my friend who's a HUGE Predator fan and he described this film as a "massive fan service" because from his perspective, he was going to get to see everything he'd ever wanted from a Predator. Specifically; 1 Predator dominating against impossible odds. As far as he's concerned, this is EXACTLY the way an AVP movie should be made and it's EXACTLY how a Predator should be portrayed.
As you can imagine I had to restrain myself from hitting him upside the head with the nearest solid object. See, when I talk to my other friends who are either fans of both franchises or not particularly bothered, one of the first things they ask is "Why is there only 1 Predator against so many Aliens?" then when I explain the "super Predator" concept it's met with negativity. "Super Predator? Sounds lame/cheesy/corny. So a whole hive of Aliens won't be able to kill a single Predator? I don't buy it." Etc. Etc. They also seem to draw the conclusion that the Predator is the star of the movie, which reinforces my belief that this movie is going to feel like Predator 3: Bug Hunt.
The concept of the "Super Predator" is really too huge a pill for me to swallow but hey, if the Strause's can suprise me and pull it off I'd have nothing but praise for them. Unfortunately so far everything is pointing towards my worst fears, that Wolf's survival will rely on audience suspension of disbelief more than anything else.
If Arnie can chop up an entire guerrilla squad in Commando why wouldn't a One Man Special Force Mop Up Team (being Wolf) be capable of doing the exact same thing?
Well the problem with that comparison is that a hive full of Aliens should be more dangerous than a bunch of guerrillas. ;) The whole concept of a "Rambo" Predator is just a bit too cliche for my tastes.
See the Predator movies are unashamedly cheesy and over the top in places, although I think McTiernan really did put a lot of thought into the original besides "LOL SHIT IS EXPLODING!" The problem is that element doesn't really mesh well with the Alien side of the franchise, which is SERIOUS BUSINESS in comparison. In my opinion the Predator franchise (or more specifically, the creature itself) can function perfectly well in a movie with a more "serious" tone however the Alien creature only stands to be degraded when it's effectively filling the role of the guerrillas in a Arnold or Stallone movie.
I just don't feel that both creatures can be given fan service unless the movie is given a much bigger budget and a seasoned director who most importantly mustn't be interfered with by the studio. Unfortunately I don't see this ever happening because of;
1. The stigma attached to being a "VS" movie.
2. The fact that (IMO) Fox don't consider this franchise to be anything more than a cash cow ergo they're not going to risk paying out for an expensive director with a huge budget.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 22, 2007, 02:27:05 PM
Well the problem with that comparison is that a hive full of Aliens should be more dangerous than a bunch of guerrillas. ;) The whole concept of a "Rambo" Predator is just a bit too cliche for my tastes.
See the Predator movies are unashamedly cheesy and over the top in places, although I think McTiernan really did put a lot of thought into the original besides "LOL SHIT IS EXPLODING!" The problem is that element doesn't really mesh well with the Alien side of the franchise, which is SERIOUS BUSINESS in comparison. In my opinion the Predator franchise (or more specifically, the creature itself) can function perfectly well in a movie with a more "serious" tone however the Alien creature only stands to be degraded when it's effectively filling the role of the guerrillas in a Arnold or Stallone movie.
I just don't feel that both creatures can be given fan service unless the movie is given a much bigger budget and a seasoned director who most importantly mustn't be interfered with by the studio. Unfortunately I don't see this ever happening because of;
1. The stigma attached to being a "VS" movie.
2. The fact that (IMO) Fox don't consider this franchise to be anything more than a cash cow ergo they're not going to risk paying out for an expensive director with a huge budget.
It would have been better if bro's got to do it in space and there was more than one predator. A lot of problems would be fixed if this happened, which i hope happens for AVP3. Others would be fixed too... like bigger budget hopefully.
Just to derail for a second:
About the whole Vasquez killing an Alien = Wolf holding back two Aliens bit, I rewatched Aliens yesterday and decided to time how long it takes for Vasquez to kill the bugger, and how long Wolf holds back the Aliens.
Vasquez: From the Alien falling down on top of her, to her kicking its writhing body off of her after her leg's been burned, is exactly 8 seconds.
Wolf: Holds the Aliens there for 9 seconds.
"Oh big whoop!" you say, "One second difference! Get over it!"
Except in the 8 seconds Vasquez encountered the Alien, she only stopped shooting it long enough to kick its head into the roof of the vent. As soon as it was on her she was shooting it in the stomach, chest, and head; by the time she pinned its head, it had already sustained damage there. All in 8 seconds.
And what happens when Wolf grabs the Aliens? Nothing. He just stands there, and they flail like retards. Vasquez killed an Alien in the time it took for Wolf to finally track on to the damned things.
Quote from: NikTh on Dec 22, 2007, 01:56:32 PM
If Arnie can chop up an entire guerrilla squad in Commando why wouldn't a One ManSpecial Force Mop Up Team (being Wolf) be capable of doing the exact same thing?
You just compared it to a ridiculously over the top and unrealistic movie, thus making the comparison worthless.
Besides which, what about the, y'know, six other people who helped him take out the guerrillas?
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 20, 2007, 10:49:24 PM
Looks pretty cool, I hope theres a fighting scene without heavy music, so I can just here wold and the aliens getting it on.
If you just stop to listen the battle,only the soundtrack from it,you will see that it's Predator soundtrack. :) My favorite.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 08:34:50 PM
Besides which, what about the, y'know, six other people who helped him take out the guerrillas?
He was talking about Commando, not Predator.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2007, 08:44:13 PM
He was talking about Commando, not Predator.
Oh.
Well, that's just cos John Matrix is the f**kin'
bomb and ain't nobody gonna cut his daughter. John Matrix - Manliest name in cinematic history.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2007, 08:44:13 PM
He was talking about Commando, not Predator.
Oh.
Well, that's just cos John Matrix is the f**kin' bomb and ain't nobody gonna cut his daughter. John Matrix - Manliest name in cinematic history.
no it isnt. Max Power/Solid Snake/John Rambo/Conan :P
Solid Snake hasn't come to the screen yet. They had better make him a character that ranks with Matrix and Rambo when he does. >:(
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 22, 2007, 08:57:10 PM
Solid Snake hasn't come to the screen yet. They had better make him a character that ranks with Matrix and Rambo when he does. >:(
yeah i hope Hugh Jackman (wolverine) playes him that would be f*cking awsome 8)
Quote from: karhan on Dec 22, 2007, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2007, 08:44:13 PM
He was talking about Commando, not Predator.
Oh.
Well, that's just cos John Matrix is the f**kin' bomb and ain't nobody gonna cut his daughter. John Matrix - Manliest name in cinematic history.
no it isnt. Max Power/Solid Snake/John Rambo/Conan :P
Solid Snake sounds more like the name of a pornstar. :P
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 08:13:57 PM
And what happens when Wolf grabs the Aliens? Nothing. He just stands there, and they flail like retards. Vasquez killed an Alien in the time it took for Wolf to finally track on to the damned things.
And it's worse than that...Wolf is overpowered by the Aliens, pushed underwater,
and then busts up all big 'n bad holding their throats like he's King Shit.
So not only is he holding them there powerless, they did absolutely nothing to him when they were 'winning'
So much for Colin's assertion that the scene proper plays out better than the fraction from the trailer. It's actually worse than we thought to start with.
The Aliens are clearly just puppies in this film. They'll chase you and crawl all over you, but that's about it.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 23, 2007, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 08:13:57 PM
And what happens when Wolf grabs the Aliens? Nothing. He just stands there, and they flail like retards. Vasquez killed an Alien in the time it took for Wolf to finally track on to the damned things.
And it's worse than that...Wolf is overpowered by the Aliens, pushed underwater, and then busts up all big 'n bad holding their throats like he's King Shit.
So not only is he holding them there powerless, they did absolutely nothing to him when they were 'winning'
So much for Colin's assertion that the scene proper plays out better than the fraction from the trailer. It's actually worse than we thought to start with.
The Aliens are clearly just puppies in this film. They'll chase you and crawl all over you, but that's about it.
Thats about all they did in the movie "aliens"
I'm actually vaguely surprised at the Aliens not retaliating except snapping their jaws when the Wolf Predator have them on chokehold.
I mean come on, Aliens feed on protein matter or living things such as Predator themselves, us humans, animals and other extraterrestrial species. And interesting thing to note is that, the acid blood doesn't seem to affect Wolf Predator at all. That is why Germany dubbed it as "SuperPredator".
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 23, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
Thats about all they did in the movie "aliens"
Yes, you clearly remember the film quite well. Consider me 'owned' sir. ::)
I agree that the scene was too dark. I like getting a creepy mood set, but also like to tell what's going on and who is killing who. The music was great but it obscured all of the great creature sounds. Music also makes the scene less suspenseful as well. Wolf yanked that one Alien off the ceiling like he was made of feathers. Then stepped on his head and the Alien was unable to escape? ::) Grid would have had a field day with Wolf.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 23, 2007, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 23, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
Thats about all they did in the movie "aliens"
Yes, you clearly remember the film quite well. Consider me 'owned' sir. ::)
Hah, i remember it very well.....infact i remember the aliens taking on normal humans, ergo- not predators....so i dont mind wolf owning aliens a bit, to me it looks like he is struggling to tak all of em on....
If you can show me a single clip of the Predator struggling to fight an Alien that is NOT the predalien I will give you an internets.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2007, 08:34:50 PM
Besides which, what about the, y'know, six other people who helped him take out the guerrillas?
I was talking about Commando.
Anyways, Porkus has a point. It's just that I don't really have a frame of reference in which category to put AVP-R (as far one needs to)
But I've always felt Predator is a same kind of flick as Commando/Rambo (only much cooler and better thought through and with an exceptional kick ass antagonist) and the Alien movies more of a... well Alien movie. Which is quite a difference.
But I think it's true that in the "AVP - Xenomorphs" get clipped to easily and are written to be catnips for casterbarrels a bit to much...
QuoteBut I've always felt Predator is a same kind of flick as Commando/Rambo (only much cooler and better thought through and with an exceptional kick ass antagonist)
At its very core it is the same kind of movie but McTiernan put a lot of effort into making it special and stand out above all the others, the same way Alien is basically a "haunted house" movie at its very core but it has layers that make it exceptional. That's why Predator 2 was such a failure, because it takes everything that made Predator exceptional and throws it away in favour of "
More victims, more mutilations!." Predator 2 feels like a grindhouse movie in comparsion to Predator, infact my friends and I often joke that it could be turned into a blaxploitation movie with very little effort.
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 23, 2007, 10:55:47 PM
Hah, i remember it very well.....infact i remember the aliens taking on normal humans, ergo- not predators
And do you remember all the times when the Aliens did very little to attack or protect themselves? Do you remember all the times a human just sort of held the Aliens away from themselves like putting your hand on a child's head to keep them away?
Do some of the humans get lucky in Aliens? Yes, most definitely. But it doesn't make it seem as though the Aliens all forget that their arms work.
^ in the movie alien, there was only 1 person who really tryed to fight the alien, and he got knocked down by the aliens tale, who knows how solid aliens are, they might be easily moved with the right force...
How does that relate to my point?
Here 'tis again...the AvPR Aliens don't use their arms!
here's a question for you antman.......have you ever seen an alien and a predator interact? other then avp.....if not then all ya complaining about is all just speculation eg. "thats not how its meant to go, wah wah"
So you're telling me that they don't use their arms to do anything?
That's seriously your answer? Unbelievable.
...And I love how you ask me a question, and then say that I can't use AvP as an example. Who are you to disallow Exhibit A?
to me avp just showed aliens cheap-shotting preds.....in avp-r wolf is aware and ready, so he can take on a few aliens......
Jeez-louise. Are you being purposefully obtuse?
It's not about Wolf. It's about the Aliens.
nope, wolf gets jumped a bunch of times and always maks it out alive(not lik chopper), its an experience(/strength) thing
Maybe it's true what they say.
maybe its true what they say "a tear always escape's the cry babies eye"
Always a good move...mock the person when you can't answer the question. I've used that move myself once in a while.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 24, 2007, 03:08:51 AM
So you're telling me that they don't use their arms to do anything?
That's seriously your answer? Unbelievable.
...And I love how you ask me a question, and then say that I can't use AvP as an example. Who are you to disallow Exhibit A?
aliens are shit. Get over it. Wolf is god.
Queen scene in aliens, vasquez, sentry guns, shotgun head scene.
For the last time, stop acting like this is the first time you've seen aliens suck.
yo antman, im 2 lazy 2 go 2 the last page, what was the question you were posing?
^ ohthe usual "wah wah, why do the aliens not do what i would do?!!, wah wah"
Predator fans would be whining just as much if we had been seeing several clips of Predator pwnage.
actually, as a pred fan(in disguse), i was looking forward 2 the pred pwnage in the begging, infact, im dissapointed at the lack of pred deaths
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 24, 2007, 03:43:33 AM
Predator fans would be whining just as much if we had been seeing several clips of Predator pwnage.
Actually i wouldnt.....i know lifes unpredictable, and to incorporate that into a movie and the movies fights it make's it more fun for the audience, kind hard for the alien fans when they want everthing even and predictable....
What I mean is the idea of an Alien having absolutely no problem dispatching Predators. Where a Predator just stands there motionless as an Alien mauls him. Or the Predalien picks a Predator up by the neck and the Predator does nothing.
if they explained it well enought(the preds r inexperienced or something) i personally wouldnt mind TOO much. But yea, in the same way that theres lik, 10 alien fans that r constantly complaining(it seems), im sure there would be 10 pred fans doing the same if the tables were turned
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 24, 2007, 03:47:47 AM
What I mean is the idea of an Alien having absolutely no problem dispatching Predators. Where a Predator just stands there motionless as an Alien mauls him. Or the Predalien picks a Predator up by the neck and the Predator does nothing.
Fair enough, but tell me....if someone as the same build as you just grabs you by the neck and picks you up no problem, would you be so confident and fight back or be thinking "what the f#ck"
^^ both, you'd be lik "?!?", but ud be kicking as a natural reaction
I'm not an Alien. Aliens have no fear, so they should immediately try to kill what ever they can get their hands on.
they seemingly hav no fear, ripley did say they appeared 2 be afriad of fire(i never saw that but oh well), y not a pred?
Energy draining...
I concede defeat. Wolf is so skilled that the Aliens are in awe of him.
Y'all win, I am a cry-baby.
[Kills self, all rejoice.]
Because it hurts, and an animals natural reaction is to get away from pain. But as far as being afraid of another creature, they don't. Ash explained it well.
If anything had ya in a choke hold in the air i'd be in a bit of an arkward position to do anything useful....
not if u hav a prehensal tail and clawd feet at ur disposial
Quote from: megachu17 on Dec 24, 2007, 04:00:46 AM
not if u hav a prehensal tail and clawd feet at ur disposial
well how do you no what it takes to use a tail?
The Aliens have been using their tails and claws extremely effectively all this time, now suddenly they forget to use them when being held up high by a Predator.
Those higher quality IESB clips are excellent. I think the sewer battle looks and sounds great! I can't wait for this film!!
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 24, 2007, 04:15:39 AM
The Aliens have been using their tails and claws extremely effectively all this time, now suddenly they forget to use them when being held up high by a Predator.
Most of the time ive seen them use there tales is with leverage to give it a whip-like effect, eg.
to go right they go left then whip right......