Is there a specific order that I should read the books in? I'm asking this because I'm going to be buying the books some time soon and I'd like to know if there a specific order that I should read them in so that I can better understand them. Or doesn't it matter? Can I read them in any order?
The first 3, by Steven and Stephani Perry, happen "first" and in order: "Earth Hive", "Nightmare Asylum", "The Female War". Genocide is next in the timeline after that.
Chronologically 'Steel Egg' happens before any of the Alien movies so that one should be "first", but you don't really have to read it first - just treat it like a prequel. Likewise, 'Original Sin' takes place after 'Alien Resurrection' and thus after any of the other books.
Aside from that, you can sorta read them in any order. If you get into the Predator books, Concrete Jungle and Cold War should be read in that order, but all the others are standalone and it doesn't really matter. Likewise, if you read AvP books, make sure you read 'Aliens: Berserker' and 'AvP: Prey' before you read 'AvP: War', since War has characters from Berserker and Prey. Chronologically, 'AvP: Hunter's Planet' happens last.
It's been a while since I read the two novels, but didn't Hunters Planet negate War? Like I say, I'm plunging the dark and vacuous depths of my memory, but wasn't Shorty killed in War, then again in Hunters Planet, or teaming up, or something... you know what, that's just all too vague for me.
I'm in the middle of going back through the series: I'll make my way to them.
But personally: I read them in the order as they were released, which worked fine for me.
Hunter's Planet was an original novel that wasn't based on a comic book (although it involved a few elements from the comic series 'AvP: War') and then War came out later and actually adapted that comic.
There's two key parts that get rehashed in both books, to my recollection: Machiko helping capture the Queen, and Machiko's feud with Shorty (resulting in his death later on).
The Queen capture can be written off as a flashback, but the Shorty thing is a pretty hefty contradiction and it's hard to work around it.
It's been a long time since I read either book; I'd have to go back and re-read them before I could try to work out some kind of fan-wank "fix" or something.
Chronologically Hunter's Planet takes place after War, though, since War starts 1 year after Prey where Machiko is still with the Predators, and then HP is later after she's left them (which happens in War).
For the new books by DH Press or whatever, there's no real order except the one that's written inside the books. As for the old books, you should read them in the order assigned; Earth Hive, Nightmare Asylum, Female War, etc. There's some continuity in some of them, the only exception being AvP Hunter's Planet as explained above.
I could be totally off and would love it if someone corrected me, but here's what I've gathered as far as the complete order of Alien/Predator chronology, if you were wondering how to work Predator in at some point.
Predator: Concrete Jungle
Predator: Big Game
Predator: Cold War
Predator: Turnabout
Predator: South China Sea
Aliens: Steel Egg
Aliens: Earth Hive
Aliens: Nightmare Asylum
Aliens: The Female War
Aliens: Genocide
Aliens: Alien Harvest
Aliens: Labyrinth
Aliens: Rogue
Aliens: Music Of The Spears
Aliens vs. Predator: Prey
Aliens: Berserker
Aliens vs. Predator: War
Aliens vs. Predator: Hunter's Planet
Aliens: DNA War
Predator: Forever Midnight
Aliens: Cauldron
Predator: Flesh And Blood
Aliens: Criminal Enterprise
Aliens: No Exit
Aliens: Original Sin
Granted, I honestly don't have a clue and have only read a couple of the novels. Out of the blue I've gotten on this big reading kick since movies and TV lately bore me. I already owned all 3 Aliens vs. Predator novels, Aliens: Alien Harvest, Predator: Forever Midnight, and Predator: Concrete Jungle, but I'd only read Prey, Alien Harvest, and Concrete Jungle. I started War the other day and my shipment that contained Berserker came in today and I made the discovery that Berserker takes place before War. So I've been trying to compile the correct order in which to read the books so it all makes the most amount of sense possible, and that's what I've come up with so far. The first 5 Predator novels, from what I gather, take place in present time, while the rest of the series all takes place somewhere within the future.
Though granted, I've also gathered that you can read the books in practically any order, with the exception of a few, and it won't matter since the continuity is apparently loose with either no or very tiny referrences to past stories. The exceptions, I guess are;
Earth Hive
Nightmare Asylum
Female War
Prey
Berserker
War
Hunter's Planet
Concrete Jungle
Cold War
I already opened a post about this (A, P, AvP Timeline). I got this timeline as far as I was able:
Predator (although is the first script made novel, before Stan Winston came and created the ultimate hunter)
Predator Concrete jungle
Predator Cold war
Predator Big game (I put it here because of the order in the literature section of this site, since it's a standalone in the present day it can be placed anytime you want)
Predator 2
Alien sv Predator Movie novelization
Aliens Steel Egg (still to read, but afraid since the author is the same of Forever Midnight...)
Alien
Aliens
Alien3
Aliens Earth Hive
Aliens Asylum
Aliens The female war
Aliens Genocide (a lot better than the comic it comes from, by the way)
Aliens Alien Harvest
Aliens Rogue
Aliens Labirinth
Aliens Berserker
Aliens Music of the spears
Alien Resurrection (novel and Junior novel)
Aliens Original Sin (a bit of screwing up Alien origins, but nice reading)
These I still have to place for obvious reasons
Predator Turnabout (still to read)
Predator South China Sea (still to buy)
Aliens DNA War (still to read)
Aliens Cauldron (still to read)
Aliens Criminal Enterprise (still to read)
Aliens No Exit (still to buy)
Forever Midnight and Flesh and Blood are out of the picture since they go against the common knowledge about predators stated in all the other books.
Quote from: Travis Touchdown on Apr 10, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
Earth Hive
Nightmare Asylum
Female War
Prey
Berserker
War
Hunter's Planet
Concrete Jungle
Cold War
These are definetly the unavoidable reading order ones, all the Alien novels after female war you can read anytime you want, but the first three cover one single big event that changed history and influenced the other books, except for Alien Resurrection which completely ignored them (one big mistake Jeunet did - among others - by my point of view and I hope Antal does not with Predators).
Thank you, Travis, for the hint about AvP novels. I never decided "when" to put them in the timeline.
Quoteone big mistake Jeunet did
JPJ didn't write the script.
And the first AvP book takes place around the same time as Earth Hive.
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 12:39:39 AM
And the first AvP book takes place around the same time as Earth Hive.
How did you find out?
Quote from: Travis Touchdown on Apr 10, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
Prey
Berserker
War
Hunter's Planet
Wasn't Hunter's Planet before War? In the first one Machiko leave the predators after they go hunting humans, in War she fights against them and (if I remember it right) she recalls the events in Hunter's Planet. I remember I read them in this order (Prey, War, Hunter's Planet) and lost track of the events reading of things never happened between Prey and War, just to find them unfold when I read Hunter's Planet.
Can you tell us where exactly in AVP War where Machiko recalls events in Hunter's Planet?
QuoteHow did you find out?
From reading the book. Some Doctor (Revna?) says there's no record of facehuggers in any medical journals. Ergo they haven't taken over Earth yet. Yet a few years later when Machiko hooks up with the Berserker team, the Aliens are everywhere, and have been for a while. Logic would dictate the infestation of Ryushi and Earth occurred around the same time.
Machiko had been out of contact with humans since she hung out with the Predators a lot. She could have missed a lot.
What's that got to do with owt? ???
Owt?
"anything"
Quote from: Katarn84 on Apr 22, 2010, 09:28:05 PM
Wasn't Hunter's Planet before War?
(SPOILERS!)I know Hunter's Planet was released before War. We all know Prey was a novelization of the Aliens vs. Predator comic book. I think what happened was David Bischoff was given permission to write a sequel to the book, which is where Hunter's Planet comes in. Dark Horse then went and made their own sequel, in which War is the novelization of. Technically, they don't fit together, but you can kinda/sorta make them work if you put them in the order of Prey, War, Hunter's Planet, given the events that Machiko is hunting with the Predators in War and leaves at the end, and is long since left Topknot's clan in Hunter's Planet.
Just imagine there's another Predator that Machiko nicknames Shorty, or assume the original survived the events of War. Somehow.
Quote from: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 12:44:03 AM
What's that got to do with owt? ???
This can explain the post above the one that this one responds to.
What? ???
You're talking about Machiko hanging out with Predators - which is irrelevant to when AvP:Prey takes place.
The post I'm referring to said that the Alien Earth invasion had to take place around AVP Prey since Revna said there was no previous evidence of human encounters with these creatures. It then said that this must mean that the Earth invasion takes place around AVP Prey. I disagree, it could have taken place long after AVP Prey. Machiko hanging out with the Predators means not keeping up with Earth news. The aliens could have taken over Earth and Machiko wouldn't even have known about it.
Well if you know the precise time period she was with the Predators you can work back from there. I understood it as she left Ryushi about a year after Prosperity Wells was destroyed and was with them for around 1 to 2 years prior to leaving them in War.
The Berserker units weren't used early in the Earth - Alien War, so doing the maths....
Quote from: predxeno on Apr 23, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
Can you tell us where exactly in AVP War where Machiko recalls events in Hunter's Planet?
Absolutely not, it's been quite a few years ago when I read those books (I guess they were my first books in the series). I only remember that in Hunter's Planet were told some facts I missed taht I found in War when I read it, the details are quite a bit foggy.
Quote from: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 12:27:16 AM
QuoteHow did you find out?
From reading the book. Some Doctor (Revna?) says there's no record of facehuggers in any medical journals. Ergo they haven't taken over Earth yet. Yet a few years later when Machiko hooks up with the Berserker team, the Aliens are everywhere, and have been for a while. Logic would dictate the infestation of Ryushi and Earth occurred around the same time.
It may be, this require more deep investigation. I asked because I can't remember so much of these books.
Just finished DNA War. I think this should be placed after Alien3 and before Earth Hive.
In the last Chapters the main character says there were rumors of a ship involved with the Aliens and a lost mission and it doesn't mention any invasion.
I'm quoting page 207: "There was one rumor of one ship fifty-odd years ago, and one expedition from which I don't think anybody survived"
By my point of view he means the Nostromo first and Hadley's Hope after. Apparently Rilpey's tale of the Nostromo got through the walls of Weyland-Yutani in Aliens and rumors of the extermination of the colony too. So it's actually between Aliens and Earth Hive, with Alien 3 somewhere in between, but I believe Ripley's gone at the time of this book. For the rumors to get to the public it should have passed some time, I think enough to go to Acheron from Earth and from Acheron to Fiorina.
I know that there was a Diane Carey (author of DNA War) interview where she states the time period for this book.
QuoteDiane Carey: DNA WAR is engineered, in my mind, at least, to occur some time after the third movie, and possibly the fourth. It's a time during which the aliens are known to exist and are being studied by humans, so we can figure out how to deal with them. I left the timeline deliberately vague, because the series is still active and developing new canon.
QuoteCorporal Hicks – When is Cauldron set?
Diane Carey – In the future. (Beats me.) I guess in the Alien time frame, it's after space travelers have been alerted to the existence of these creatures and there's a no-transport law.
If they're to conform to the movies, they're both post-Resurrection. If not they're some time after the end of the Alien Earth War.
Perhaps they didn't occur after Earth War since Rory makes no mention to the creatures (he describes a scenario of the aliens killing again rather give an example of them invading Earth) and none of the passengers in Cauldron knew what the creatures were. One way someone could retcon this in, however, is to reference the Big Deletion that's described in AVP Civilized Beasts.
When is this 'Big Deletion' supposed to have occurred? If they're trying to tell us it was between Alien3 and Resurrection, they don't really have much regard for the intelligence of their readership.
The people in didn't appear to know what the aliens or predators were in Thrill of the Hunt. The Big Deletion occurred one hundred years before Civilized Beasts. Civilized Beats takes place 8 months after Thrill of the Hunt. I don't know exactly when Thrill of the Hunt occurs, only that it takes place after AVP1 movie. However, it is implied in the AVP literature that Thrill of the Hunt takes place very early on. In AVP Prey comic, it is mentioned that the elephant is now extinct. In Aliens DNA War, it is mentioned that the panda bear is extinct. In Aliens No Exit, it is revealed that the cat and the dog had to be "reintroduced" into the human population. Yet in Alien, Jones the cat is there so Aliens No Exit had to have taken place afterward since the general population in that book had a good idea of what the aliens are. So it is implied that many animals have died off and become extinct.
They know they're writing for Alien and not Blade Runner right?
Technically, Aliens and Predator met DC characters like Batman and Superman. Batman met The Incredible Hulk from Marvel, I know. In a Spiderman tv show, there's a crossover with Blade. Though I'm not considering Alien and Predator crossovers with DC characters or whatever to be canon. I think most crossovers between two major comic publishing companines are noncanon.
Yeah, but the whole thing about extinct animals is particualr to Blade Runner. Between cats, dogs, hamsters and mutated oxen, animals aren't exactly endangered or anything in Alien flicks.
Quote from: Katarn84 on Apr 23, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Apr 23, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
Can you tell us where exactly in AVP War where Machiko recalls events in Hunter's Planet?
Absolutely not, it's been quite a few years ago when I read those books (I guess they were my first books in the series). I only remember that in Hunter's Planet were told some facts I missed taht I found in War when I read it, the details are quite a bit foggy.
Just finished re-reading War - It doesn't mention anything about what happened in Hunter's Planet - I've just started on Hunters Planet again, and it briefly mentions in the first or second chapter that Machiko chose to go against the hunting pack she was running with when they attacked a mining colony... which is slightly different to the Bhunda survey station mentioned in War, though is a similar premise, I suppose.
I just finished my A & P book collection, with criminal enterprise.
I'm quite disappointed by this book... if you buy a book with Aliens wrote on it, and the xenomoprh on the cover, then you find a book about drug dealers, ex cops looking for revenge and two brothers that shouldn't be where they are, with the Aliens posing just as guard dogs you can't be anything but disappointed. Especially if the author place sex any other page to get the pages required...
By the way, I think this also should be pre-invasion, since Tommy and other characters had never seen an Alien. Even if apparentrly Neo-Pharm and Grant know about those beasts.
Quote from: Everlasting Undead on May 20, 2010, 04:40:01 PM
Quote from: Katarn84 on Apr 23, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Apr 23, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
Can you tell us where exactly in AVP War where Machiko recalls events in Hunter's Planet?
Absolutely not, it's been quite a few years ago when I read those books (I guess they were my first books in the series). I only remember that in Hunter's Planet were told some facts I missed taht I found in War when I read it, the details are quite a bit foggy.
Just finished re-reading War - It doesn't mention anything about what happened in Hunter's Planet - I've just started on Hunters Planet again, and it briefly mentions in the first or second chapter that Machiko chose to go against the hunting pack she was running with when they attacked a mining colony... which is slightly different to the Bhunda survey station mentioned in War, though is a similar premise, I suppose.
Hunter's Planet definitely takes place after War, even though the book was released first. War starts with Machiko still with the Predators and ends with her leaving them, and HP has her having been away from the Predators for some time (I don't remember how long). Therefore, HP happens after War ends.
Does she leave them again at the end of HP so she's not with them in the new comics?
She never joins them in HP.
Oh, right. Misread.
I'd have to re-check the new AvP comics, but doesn't it pick up 10 years after War or whatever? HP would have been in that gap somewhere - I don't member if HP gives any concrete hints as to how long it's been since she left the Predators, but it had seemed like a couple years from what I recall.
hunter's planet and war are alternative sequels to prey
shorty is a different character and dies different deaths in hunters' planet and war
Quote from: Everlasting Undead on May 20, 2010, 04:40:01 PM
Quote from: Katarn84 on Apr 23, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Apr 23, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
Can you tell us where exactly in AVP War where Machiko recalls events in Hunter's Planet?
Absolutely not, it's been quite a few years ago when I read those books (I guess they were my first books in the series). I only remember that in Hunter's Planet were told some facts I missed taht I found in War when I read it, the details are quite a bit foggy.
Just finished re-reading War - It doesn't mention anything about what happened in Hunter's Planet - I've just started on Hunters Planet again, and it briefly mentions in the first or second chapter that Machiko chose to go against the hunting pack she was running with when they attacked a mining colony... which is slightly different to the Bhunda survey station mentioned in War, though is a similar premise, I suppose.
Now that I think about it; I think it was mentioned somewhere in the War novel that the Bhunda station did do some mining.
Quote from: happypred on Jul 20, 2010, 08:35:50 AM
hunter's planet and war are alternative sequels to prey
shorty is a different character and dies different deaths in hunters' planet and war
Or maybe Machiko didn't really kill Shorty in War, she just thought she did.
Kind of hard to fight with no hands even if he did survive.
HP doesnt mention him as a kickboxer in HP.
It's indicated in Predator 2 novelization and AVP Prey novel that Predators have the technology to regrow lost limbs.
Holy shit, I don't even remember that. Nice catch!
HP was the only story aside from the DHpres Alien/Pred novels that didn't have a comic forbearer. Thus, I disregard it in favor of War, which WAS the original sequel to AvP.
Yeah, but it did have an original plot (even if it cribbed a couple things from War, like the Queen capture and the Shorty fight) so I never really saw a reason to disregard it, personally.
Not saying you aren't allowed to ignore it, haha, just giving my opinion on the book.
But then how would Ellis fit into all that? There's no mention of him in Hunters Planet and that'll be years between War and Three World War. I always got the impression in 3WW that they'd been together for a while, obviously long enough for a relationship to develop.
It's been a while since I read the book but I can remember disliking it. Strongly. It might be worth re-reading the trilogy.
Perhaps they went their separate ways after War and then found each-other again after Hunter's Planet?
It's a bit of a stretch. It's just best to think of them are two different sequels IMHO.
To each their own I suppose. :)
I know this thread is a few months old but it seemed like the best place to ask this question. I apologize if my first post here is considered disruptive for necroing :-\
Lately I've been re-watching the Aliens and Alien Vs Predator movies along with playing the new Alien Vs Predator (well, not really new) game. There are things I wish I knew more about, especially since I have to collect Royal Jelly in the game and I have no idea what it is. This has gotten me into the mood to learn more about this universe and it dawned on me that there are a ton of books out there.
The problem is I have no idea where to start. I've read through the literature menu at the beginning, and after reading through the posts here I believe the correct order for this is:
--Prequel
Aliens Steel Egg
--Movies
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
--First 3 books
Aliens Earth Hive (Book 1)
Aliens Asylum (Book 2)
Aliens The female war (Book 3)
--Can be read in any order
Aliens Genocide
Aliens Alien Harvest
Aliens Rogue
Aliens Labyrinth
Aliens Berserker
Aliens Music of the spears
Alien Resurrection (Movie)
Aliens Original Sin
Can someone confirm that for me? I'm 90% sure I have it right based on what I've read here but I'm just looking for a final say in the matter.
Pretty sure A:R is in the movies section too.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 16, 2010, 03:50:42 PM
Pretty sure A:R is in the movies section too.
Right, I was just trying to put them in order. Did A:R follow right after Alien 3? I can't remember much about the movie anymore.
Right after no, it's 202 years after all. But it is a sequel, yes.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 16, 2010, 04:02:26 PM
Right after no, it's 202 years after all. But it is a sequel, yes.
Ahh, that's right. Thank you. I think I have it then.
Quote from: Atmanix on Nov 16, 2010, 03:42:12 PM
--Can be read in any order
Aliens Genocide
Aliens Alien Harvest
Aliens Rogue
Aliens Labyrinth
Aliens Berserker
Aliens Music of the spears
These books have to occur after the Earth invasion, i.e. after Earth Hive, Nightmare Asylum, and Female War, since the novel versions make references to things that occurred in those first three books.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: Atmanix on Nov 16, 2010, 03:42:12 PM
--Can be read in any order
Aliens Genocide
Aliens Alien Harvest
Aliens Rogue
Aliens Labyrinth
Aliens Berserker
Aliens Music of the spears
Alien Resurrection (Movie)
Aliens Original Sin
These books have to occur after the Earth invasion, i.e. after Earth Hive, Nightmare Asylum, and Female War, since the novel versions make references to things that occurred in those first three books.
Right, that's why I listed them below those 3 books. Sorry, I should have been clearer with my post. It was meant to be followed top to bottom.
Yeah, and I accidentally included Alien Rez and Aliens Original Sin. I'll fix that. Also, Berserker is after Music of the Spears.
Berserker should take place a lot earlier than MOTS. MOTS is well after Earth has been repopulated. Berserker takes place within a year or two of the Earth invasion.
The Berserker novel came out later than MOTS and it's after MOTS in Aliens Omnibus 4.
Maybe so, but dialogue places AvP - War, the sequel to Berserker, places it within a couple of years of the Earth invasion. MOTS is a couple of decades after.
A couple decades? What was the date on the back of the paperback copy (which was off by 100 years or something).
Also what was that dialogue in AvPWar? It's been a long time since I read it.
Book says 2124 (should be 2224).
In the original AvP no one knows about the Aliens on Ryushi and since Machiko has just come from Earth, they haven't invaded yet. By the time Machiko hooks up with Lara et al, Lara tells Machiko about the Aliens and saying they're all over the colonies. Machiko says she knows, and by this point she's been with the Predators for 2 or 3 years.
How do you know she's been with them 2 or 3 years? I don't remember a timetable for how long she stayed with them. :-\
No idea. It's been a long time since I picked up an Aliens comic. It might be more than 3 years - but it's certainly not 30.
Of course the Berserker novel may very well contradict this - but it wouldn't be the first time Dark Horse/ Bantam got the dates wrong.
Actually, it could be 30 years. Since we took the space traveling tech from the Preds, it's very plausible that the Predators use hypersleep chambers like we do, they do in the AVP1 movie novelization.
If that's the case then why aren't hypersleep pods mentioned and why isn't it ever mentioned about 30 years having passed?
When I was working on timelines my research indicated she was with the Predators for 3 years.
Predators have hypersleep pods. Can I see your research? I"m going home soon and I should be able to access my own books and look into this.
No you can't because there isn't any. It's just reading all the books and comics and taking notice of anytime they mention dates or passage of time. And I haven't looked at any of them for over 6 years.
In the original TPB Randy Stradley said the first AvP took place before Alien.
So I guess she'd been chillin' with the Preds for closer to sixty years.
Shit I think I remember that now!
That'd make a minimum of seventy years.
Oh Dark Horse... you crazy guys and continuity are forever mutually exclusive... :D
Hypersleep tubes. It's like that idea dropped off the face of this thread. :(
It an unsupported idea in any of the literature to which we are talking about.
Besides if Predators don't have a way around relativity, you don't need hypersleep chambers.
Except AvP:Poo shows they do have a way around it.
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2010, 12:05:08 AM
It an unsupported idea in any of the literature to which we are talking about.
Besides if Predators don't have a way around relativity, you don't need hypersleep chambers.
Except AvP:Poo shows they do have a way around it.
What? The trip to Saturn? That can be retconned.
What's Saturn got to do wi' owt?
If Machiko was flying around at supra light speeds with Predators from the first half of the 22nd century and they were subject to relativity, decades would pass, while she only experienced maybe a few years.
However the Predator in AvP:Poo travels to Earth from Christ knows how far away in what seems like minutes or hours - for him and Earth. So they have found a way around relativity.
Maybe bending relativity can have negative mental effects that aren't enjoyable to experience. Aliens Nightmare Asylum says that, did anyone see Pandorum? Also, if human space travel is based on Predator space travel, then it's likely that some of their ships have hypersleep capsules. Maybe they're only used on certain occasions. Wolf probably decided to bend relativity cause it was an emergency, otherwise he'd have used a hypersleep capsule or something.
Does it really need to be so terribly complicated?
If a Predator can cross who knows how many parsecs in hours or less without any relatavistic effects, then they don't need hypersleep chambers.
Yeah, but doing so can drive one into a state of pandorum. This could have severe effects on one's health; both physically and mentally.
What effects did it have on the Predator?
We wouldn't know since he's a predator, not human. Either way, perhaps elders like him can deal with it better than others.
Way too many assumptions to take this seriously.
Out of curiosity, why do you not consider EU canon? Is it just because you don't want to put the pieces together or is it because you're too mad at the companies that don't pay attention to inconsistencies and this is your way of saying "scr#w you" to them?
It's not canon because it doesn't fit.
Dark Horse couldn't give two shits about me saying "screw you". Which I wouldn't anyway because I'm not mad at them.
It's just a simple fact that the comics and novels don't fit in with the films timeline.
I'd say "I can make it fit", but that has never gotten either of us anywhere in the past. :-\
True. But only because you've yet to actually do it.
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Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2010, 01:17:53 AM
Does it really need to be so terribly complicated?
If a Predator can cross who knows how many parsecs in hours or less without any relatavistic effects, then they don't need hypersleep chambers.
That, and Wolf didn't use any hypersleep stuff in 'AvP: Requiem'. His transit time from wherever he came from to Earth couldn't have been more than a couple hours.
Also Machiko had been with the Predators for a year.
Xenomrph, I thought you considered EU canon.
SM, I have done it, it's just that other members of this forum, including you, haven't accepted it on the grounds of nit-picking.
No, on the grounds that it doesn't hold up in any way, shape or form.
If your theories about fitting EU with the films was solid concrete house - a wombat fart could knock it down at 200 paces.
I still fail to see how my theories don't "hold up". :-\
Nor are you likely to at this point.
It's been torn apart ad nauseum. No real need to do it again.
Our perspectives on the issue are too different. :-\
Quite.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2010, 04:02:41 AM
Xenomrph, I thought you considered EU canon.
I do. ???
Then you have to acknowledge Predators using hypersleep cylinders as canon.
When does it happen, again?
It's mentioned in the AVP1 movie novelization.
Ohh, okay. It's been a while since I read it. :)
I think that AVP novelization stated that the predators were inside a "black goo" instead of hypersleep chambers.
Whatever, point is; they were in hypersleep.
You are right ;)
Of course, I am. ;D
However this in no way supports Machiko being with the Predators for decades.
Yeah, she definitely wasn't. I'm pretty sure at least Hunter's Planet, War (novel), or the latest AvP series that wrapped up says she was with them for a year.
Maybe some ships require hypersleep pods while others do not; Predators get chosen for each ship depending on rank.
Or maybe you should stop talking about preds in an Aliens thread
QuoteYeah, she definitely wasn't. I'm pretty sure at least Hunter's Planet, War (novel), or the latest AvP series that wrapped up says she was with them for a year.
Such was my recollection (or thereabouts). Wasn't she on Ryushi on her own for about a year between Prosperity Wells blowing up and the Predators coming back?
I don't think they really give a timeframe for that, but it's been a while since I read the novelization. I'd also have to check if AvP: Duel gave any sort of timeframe between Prosperity Wells' destruction and that Marine detachment showing up, because Machiko was gone by the time they arrived. I never really got the impression she was on her own for too long.
Is there a definitive list though - if you're trying to tie them together.
This thread is four years old. I found in google, cos I'm of a mood to read all the novels in order.
I looked in the literature section here, but they're in publication order (I think - Sea of Sorrows was up the top) - and this thread offers a few variations.
I say definitive -- I should say roughly in chronological order as canon is as canon does...
Hi guys, where can I watch the full timeline of Aliens and Predator with movie books and comics? :)
Quote from: bulletproof2k on Apr 04, 2024, 08:21:51 AMHi guys, where can I watch the full timeline of Aliens and Predator with movie books and comics? :)
It's complicated lol