Would you like to see the Engineers or the Black Goo playing a role on the new Alien Romulus film? in some kind of cameo, small roll or big roll in the story?
Personally I prefer nothing about that or anything that comes to the prequel films. I prefer that just play safe with the horror of the Xenomorph just like it was in the pre-Prometheus era
Nah! but I would have liked some connection with the Covenant spaceship...which had all those thousands of colonists being piloted by David. :D
Anyway, according to sources this movie is back to basic and straight to the point...no lore. In a way, I think that's what this IP needed. I want a success ala Prey. Although I wouldn't mind more Engineer/ Jockeys lore in the future. :)
Engineers, no. Not in the flesh at least. Save that for something that is more directly connected to Ridley's prequels (Covenant sequel eventually, please and thank you).
The Pathogen, though? I'd be all for seeing it used/integrated in the Alien biology in interesting ways, like what Alex White did with Facehugger impregnation in their novels. I can see the Aliens perhaps secreting it (or something like it) as part of an eggmorphing process, if something like that were to ever be attempted again in a film, for example.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 14, 2024, 12:39:53 AMNah! but I would have liked some connection with the Covenant spaceship...which had all those thousands of colonists being piloted by David. :D
Anyway, according to sources this movie is back to basic and straight to the point...no lore. In a way, I think that's what this IP needed. I want a success ala Prey. Although I wouldn't mind more Engineer/ Jockeys lore in the future. :)
Totally agree, the franchise needs that going to the basics. I liked Covenant but I didn't like the direction of being David the creator. Also I didn't like it the way that the Engineers are portrait.
We will see how the connection with Covenant plays off (if there's any). The Alien needs to come from somewhere, Derelict, Covenant ship or maybe Big Chaps returning it's true 😂
Apparently there is something that calls back to the prequels in this, but I'm not expecting it to be a huge bit of lore/worldbuilding.
Only time will tell for sure, though.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2024, 12:47:19 AMEngineers, no. Not in the flesh at least. Save that for something that is more directly connected to Ridley's prequels (Covenant sequel eventually, please and thank you).
The Pathogen, though? I'd be all for seeing it used/integrated in the Alien biology in interesting ways, like what Alex White did with Facehugger impregnation in their novels. I can see the Aliens perhaps secreting it (or something like it) as part of an eggmorphing process, if something like that were to ever be attempted again in a film, for example.
Will Ridley Scott have the chance of direct his third prequel and continuing David's story? Maybe depends on how Romulus performs
Quote from: aliens13 on Feb 14, 2024, 12:58:41 AMWill Ridley Scott have the chance of direct his third prequel and continuing David's story? Maybe depends on how Romulus performs
Probably not, but I can certainly hope!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2024, 12:59:20 AMQuote from: aliens13 on Feb 14, 2024, 12:58:41 AMWill Ridley Scott have the chance of direct his third prequel and continuing David's story? Maybe depends on how Romulus performs
Probably not, but I can certainly hope!
I just hope that this doesn't end with David being the Alien creator crap
No to either.
Quote from: aliens13 on Feb 14, 2024, 01:03:37 AMI just hope that this doesn't end with David being the Alien creator crap
I'm on board with the David as creator angle, myself, but it seems that Noah Hawley's series is set to walk back on that development, so that shouldn't be sticking around much longer.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2024, 01:07:12 AMQuote from: aliens13 on Feb 14, 2024, 01:03:37 AMI just hope that this doesn't end with David being the Alien creator crap
I'm on board with the David as creator angle, myself, but it seems that Noah Hawley's series is set to walk back on that development, so that shouldn't be sticking around much longer.
Yes, but only if the series it's canon or it's own thing
No I would not.
No thank you. I hate the goo that can do whatever the plot needs it to do.
Perfect Organism podcast reported that Romulus will have connections to the prequels.
I'm not really interested in those connections being goo and engineers, but I'd appreciate a mention of what happened to David and the Covenant. Keep the prequels canon while sweeping them under the rug...
Late to the party, but I'm gonna say NO.
So... After the leaks looks like we will have the black goo back 😅
Also...
Spoiler
I think I read that Alien's DNA is in Black Goo. I guess that's a retcon on David being the creator, as the Alien must be ancient again.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 14, 2024, 08:38:59 PMAlso...Spoiler
I think I read that Alien's DNA is in Black Goo. I guess that's a retcon on David being the creator, as the Alien must be ancient again.
Really ? If that's the case it's a bit better this way IMO.
Spoiler
It's the opposite. The goo is in Alien DNA.
:'(
The movie will probably embrace the David creator angle with Rook being one of his worshippers. 🤌
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 14, 2024, 10:13:39 PMThe movie will probably embrace the David creator angle with Rook being one of his worshippers. 🤌
If anything, it's the opposite.
The reverse engineering of the Xenomorph leading to black goo, shows that David never really created the Xeno, since the black goo would always lead to the Xenomorph.
David is just a fraud creator too deluded by his own bullshit narcissism to think he had an actual hand in it.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 14, 2024, 08:38:59 PMAlso...Spoiler
I think I read that Alien's DNA is in Black Goo. I guess that's a retcon on David being the creator, as the Alien must be ancient again.
That's a win for me, never liked the idea of David being the creator of the Alien
I wonder if there is a clue as to where they got the Black goo from. Not that it's especially important to the plot, just out of curiosity.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2024, 12:04:19 AMI wonder if there is a clue as to where they got the Black goo from. Not that it's especially important to the plot, just out of curiosity.
There is but it's a big spoiler.
Spoiler
Reverse engineered from Big Chap
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 15, 2024, 12:28:27 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2024, 12:04:19 AMI wonder if there is a clue as to where they got the Black goo from. Not that it's especially important to the plot, just out of curiosity.
There is but it's a big spoiler.
Spoiler
Reverse engineered from Big Chap
I like to be spoiled, so go ahead! ;D
Quote from: PortugueseXeno on Mar 14, 2024, 10:18:26 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Mar 14, 2024, 10:13:39 PMThe movie will probably embrace the David creator angle with Rook being one of his worshippers. 🤌
If anything, it's the opposite.
The reverse engineering of the Xenomorph leading to black goo, shows that David never really created the Xeno, since the black goo would always lead to the Xenomorph.
David is just a fraud creator too deluded by his own bullshit narcissism to think he had an actual hand in it.
Well not really. If David created the xeno with the black goo, then all xenos will have it in them, including the Big Chap. So it doesn't really change anything. In terms of this movie at least.
Unfortunately. Now I'm focused on having a good movie, great atmosphere, great visuals, music etc. Oh and violent deaths of course.
Quote from: PortugueseXeno on Mar 14, 2024, 10:18:26 PMThe reverse engineering of the Xenomorph leading to black goo, shows that David never really created the Xeno, since the black goo would always lead to the Xenomorph.
Xenomorph type things. Not the actual OG Alien. A plot point in the movie might be why they can't get the black goo to = the Big Chap (because David Designed it)
So no elephant man again!
>:( 👉👈
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2024, 04:14:20 PMSo no elephant man again!
>:( 👉👈
There can only be #DavidJockey.
Quote from: PortugueseXeno on Mar 14, 2024, 10:18:26 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Mar 14, 2024, 10:13:39 PMThe movie will probably embrace the David creator angle with Rook being one of his worshippers. 🤌
If anything, it's the opposite.
The reverse engineering of the Xenomorph leading to black goo, shows that David never really created the Xeno, since the black goo would always lead to the Xenomorph.
David is just a fraud creator too deluded by his own bullshit narcissism to think he had an actual hand in it.
Only if the above quote is how it turns out. Otherwise, I'll be fine if I never see a movie with a plot device like this again.
Amen to that.
So I can stay my personal head-canon (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=67124.0)
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👀👉👈
I want both Engineers and Space Jockeys. The Space Jockeys should be the ultimate creator - and destroyer. Their presence on screen should scare viewers.
Quote from: thexenomorph on Mar 20, 2024, 12:02:56 AMI want both Engineers and Space Jockeys. The Spave Jockeys should be the ultimate creator - and destroyer. Their presence on screen should scare viewers.
Well since the engineers got the goo FROM the xenos now, I think that certainly adds credence to the Space Jockey not being a dude who's been chilling in a space suit for a couple years.
Hello Everyone...I'm new....been a fan since the 90's.....I'm going to say YES...It ties with what Ridley Scott help started in Alien (1979) And with Prometheus(2012)
I was watching Dune and thought, those Harkonnen armor and outfits looked like Giger's designs and the Engineers, and then I learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:26:15 AMI was watching Dune and thought, those Harkonnen armor and outfits looked like Giger's designs and the Engineers, and then I learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Lots of fun connection points between
Alien/
Prometheus and various iterations of
Dune.
Denis Villeneuve's first
Dune seems to have mined a bit from H.R. Giger's art for the Harkonnen castle in Alejandro Jodorowsky's ill-fated
Dune movie, which also served as the basis for the Engineer temple in
Prometheus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXe6fWIAA7km0?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXjFVWIAcj8eS?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXzJzWIBMFlhB?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://i.redd.it/harkonnen-castle-in-jodorowskys-dune-1975-concept-painting-v0-mg0zkv3xlmkc1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69e4ee016b1186bced6d522febf043a8a9cc6428)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXsOJWIAogh2b?format=png&name=large)
And as for the Harkonnens/Engineers themselves... in
Prometheus, Elvis was actually one of the design touchpoints/inspirations for for the film's Engineers (alongside the Statue of Liberty and Michelangelo's David statue).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOW7FhWIAkuKuI?format=png&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOW9mjWIAkn0LI?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXAlsWIAATRXY?format=png&name=900x900)
(https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Austin-Butler-as-Feyd-Rautha-in-Dune-Part-Two.jpg?resize=768%2C432)
Full circle, eh?
Also a fun little anecdote, Giger's Harkonnen castle got some play in this cute Japanese ad:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2024, 06:20:07 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:26:15 AMI was watching Dune and thought, those Harkonnen armor and outfits looked like Giger's designs and the Engineers, and then I learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Lots of fun connection points between Alien/Prometheus and various iterations of Dune.
Denis Villeneuve's first Dune seems to have mined a bit from H.R. Giger's art for the Harkonnen castle in Alejandro Jodorowsky's ill-fated Dune movie, which also served as the basis for the Engineer temple in Prometheus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXe6fWIAA7km0?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXjFVWIAcj8eS?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXzJzWIBMFlhB?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://i.redd.it/harkonnen-castle-in-jodorowskys-dune-1975-concept-painting-v0-mg0zkv3xlmkc1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69e4ee016b1186bced6d522febf043a8a9cc6428)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXsOJWIAogh2b?format=png&name=large)
And as for the Harkonnens/Engineers themselves... in Prometheus, Elvis was actually one of the design touchpoints/inspirations for for the film's Engineers (alongside the Statue of Liberty and Michelangelo's David statue).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOW7FhWIAkuKuI?format=png&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOW9mjWIAkn0LI?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOXAlsWIAATRXY?format=png&name=900x900)
(https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Austin-Butler-as-Feyd-Rautha-in-Dune-Part-Two.jpg?resize=768%2C432)
Full circle, eh?
Also a fun little anecdote, Giger's Harkonnen castle got some play in this cute Japanese ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rz60g0Qs40
Yeah, I've noticed a lot of homages in Dune Part two, and I remembered that Prometheus did that, too. You also reminded me that Ian White had an excellent costume and makeup.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:26:15 AMI learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Giger actually worked on two Dune attempts. Jodorowsky and Ridley Scott's versions.
I still maintain, I don't think Giger's sandworm design is quite right for
Dune, but I do think it'd be perfect as something that David cooked up...
(https://i.redd.it/hly9bdjumsx31.jpg)
I might have stolen it several times.
(https://i.gyazo.com/14970058c7d05cae5e060234f1b1983a.png)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2024, 06:57:26 PMI might have stolen it several times.
https://i.gyazo.com/14970058c7d05cae5e060234f1b1983a.png
Really dig that, both the integration of the worm itself and the art on the whole. Cool work!
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 24, 2024, 06:33:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:26:15 AMI learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Giger actually worked on two Dune attempts. Jodorowsky and Ridley Scott's versions.
I did not know that! Imagine if Scott had directed Dune! I can only imagine his interpretation of the Sandworms, Bene Gisseret, and The Harkonnen with Giger on board.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 24, 2024, 07:58:19 PMQuote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 24, 2024, 06:33:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:26:15 AMI learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Giger actually worked on two Dune attempts. Jodorowsky and Ridley Scott's versions.
I did not know that! Imagine if Scott had directed Dune! I can only imagine his interpretation of the Sandworms, Bene Gisseret, and The Harkonnen with Giger on board.
Scott's Dune would also have been split into 2 films. I think Giger's job was to design the worms (as seen in the painting that Nightmare Asylum posted) as well as the Harkonnen homeworld.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 24, 2024, 07:58:19 PMQuote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 24, 2024, 06:33:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:26:15 AMI learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Giger actually worked on two Dune attempts. Jodorowsky and Ridley Scott's versions.
I did not know that! Imagine if Scott had directed Dune! I can only imagine his interpretation of the Sandworms, Bene Gisseret, and The Harkonnen with Giger on board.
Giger also reached out to Lynch to try to get on that version of
Dune after both Jodorowsky and Scott's versions fell through, but Lynch never returned his calls. If legend is to be believed (I'm not sure the original source on this), apparently it's because of a perceived slight where Lynch felt that Giger had been complicit in ripping off the
Eraserhead baby for
Alien's chestburster.
EDIT: A link to the article from wmmvrrvrrmm's blog, which goes over some of those details:
https://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2014/05/alien-vs-eraserhead.html
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2024, 06:36:50 PMI still maintain, I don't think Giger's sandworm design is quite right for Dune, but I do think it'd be perfect as something that David cooked up...
(https://i.redd.it/hly9bdjumsx31.jpg)
I want to see this in an Alien film or the series! Like a giant Chestburster! :)
Isn't LV426 was initially thought to be the Harkonnen homeworld before Jodorowsky's Dune was dropped ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 08:22:14 PMIsn't LV426 was initially thought to be the Harkonnen homeworld before Jodorowsky's Dune was dropped ?
That would have been a awesome tie in between the two universes, but I suppose permission from whoever handled the Dune rights at the time would be needed.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 08:22:14 PMIsn't LV426 was initially thought to be the Harkonnen homeworld before Jodorowsky's Dune was dropped ?
Never heard that one before. Are you thinking of Dan O'Bannon's comment about hypothetically seeing LV-426 as a piece of the "Old Ones' homeworld" (as in, the entities from H.P. Lovecraft's works)?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2024, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 08:22:14 PMIsn't LV426 was initially thought to be the Harkonnen homeworld before Jodorowsky's Dune was dropped ?
Never heard that one before. Are you thinking of Dan O'Bannon's comment about hypothetically seeing LV-426 as a piece of the "Old Ones' homeworld" (as in, the entities from H.P. Lovecraft's works)?
I heard that on a french podcast about the Alien saga, but it was some time ago, I need to re-check that.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 08:28:58 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2024, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 24, 2024, 08:22:14 PMIsn't LV426 was initially thought to be the Harkonnen homeworld before Jodorowsky's Dune was dropped ?
Never heard that one before. Are you thinking of Dan O'Bannon's comment about hypothetically seeing LV-426 as a piece of the "Old Ones' homeworld" (as in, the entities from H.P. Lovecraft's works)?
I heard that on a french podcast about the Alien saga, but it was some time ago, I need to re-check that.
Given that Giger was handling all of the Harkonnen elements in Jodorowsky's
Dune and went on to handle the Alien/Space Jockey side of things in
Alien, there would definitely have been overlap in that regard between his Giedi Prime and LV-426, from a production standpoint.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2024, 08:04:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 24, 2024, 07:58:19 PMQuote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 24, 2024, 06:33:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 22, 2024, 02:26:15 AMI learned Giger worked on a Dune Attempt, and some of his designs featured in the film!
Giger actually worked on two Dune attempts. Jodorowsky and Ridley Scott's versions.
I did not know that! Imagine if Scott had directed Dune! I can only imagine his interpretation of the Sandworms, Bene Gisseret, and The Harkonnen with Giger on board.
Giger also reached out to Lynch to try to get on that version of Dune after both Jodorowsky and Scott's versions fell through, but Lynch never returned his calls. If legend is to be believed (I'm not sure the original source on this), apparently it's because of a perceived slight where Lynch felt that Giger had been complicit in ripping off the Eraserhead baby for Alien's chestburster.
EDIT: A link to the article from wmmvrrvrrmm's blog, which goes over some of those details:
https://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2014/05/alien-vs-eraserhead.html
Fantastic write-up from that blog! Thanks for sharing, and it also led me to some other excellent blog notes, for example the one on the Shivers influence on Alien.
I'm personally thrilled that the pathogen is gonna feature in Romulus. It shows that this film respects the overarching setting and continuity.
Plus, "Prometheus strain"? That's gotta be a David connection.
I'm pretty sure David won't be mentioned in the movie.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 05, 2024, 09:49:44 AMI'm pretty sure David won't be mentioned in the movie.
He damn well better be!
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 05, 2024, 09:22:56 AMI'm personally thrilled that the pathogen is gonna feature in Romulus. It shows that this film respects the overarching setting and continuity.
Plus, "Prometheus strain"? That's gotta be a David connection.
The Pathogen is one of my favorite additions to the mythos.
Quote from: aliens13 on Feb 14, 2024, 12:32:21 AMWould you like to see the Engineers or the Black Goo playing a role on the new Alien Romulus film? in some kind of cameo, small roll or big roll in the story?
Personally I prefer nothing about that or anything that comes to the prequel films. I prefer that just play safe with the horror of the Xenomorph just like it was in the pre-Prometheus era
I would prefer future films/media ignore the prequels but I at least want Ridley to have the chance to conclude his trilogy. After that they should then be ignored or be given a seperate continuity.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 01:36:14 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 05, 2024, 09:22:56 AMI'm personally thrilled that the pathogen is gonna feature in Romulus. It shows that this film respects the overarching setting and continuity.
Plus, "Prometheus strain"? That's gotta be a David connection.
The Pathogen is one of my favorite additions to the mythos.
It's not that I dislike the pathogen in itself, but it embodies the attempt at explaining the origin of xenomorphs, and that's why I don't like it. For me, explaining this was a fundamental mistake.
I accept you don't like the method or origin as such but think the purpose of any prequel is to provide a backstory and at least a form of origin to how the story reached its initial entry point.
I find and I emphasise in general, those that claim we should never know how the derelict came to be on LV426 or the Xeno's origins as disingenuous.
How is it disingenuous?
I just find it in general not sincere.
It's not to pick on anyone but while I appreciate a reveal or explanation won't please everyone, to say that they didn't want to know in the first place more about the subject matter they're invested in to watch, as such.
However if it had fitted their ideal vision there wouldn't be this.
Sorry just my opinion.
I understand your point. Of course I was curious at first when I saw Prometheus. But I feared it would fall into the usual trap of ruining the original mystery.
And for me it did. The mystery participates greatly in making Alien what it is, not knowing and keep imagining. It is extremely powerful, and Prometheus diminishes that tremendously. That I cannot forgive.
I also add that I never had any ideal scenario for a prequel explaining the origins of the xenomorph that would have satisfied me. I'd rather not have anything, but since it's there, I can only hope for a good and entertaining film. But that's another matter.
Fair enough, it's no fun when the thing you enjoy out of your hands spins off in a direction that does not personally satisfy
I just find the premise of a prequel is to tell a back story or provide insight of the story already told and if as in Prometheus' case while it just led to more questions 😄..if it had not offered some offering of a path or direction to how the Xenomorphs came about then think the whole enterprise undertaken in making it would have been seen as even more frustrating and pointless by most audiences
My ideal prequel would be no prequels.
We still don't really know though. We've just got to assume that the Derilict in Alien is somehow tied to Prometheus by some event off screen.
Scott making the Engineers a much different size doesn't really help either.
The only thing connecting the movies is the space ship.
We do know the amazing Space Jockey is in fact a guy in a white latex suit. That's hella disappointing, I'm sorry.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 06, 2024, 01:40:39 AMWe do know the amazing Space Jockey is in fact a guy in a white latex suit. That's hella disappointing, I'm sorry.
Or David :'(
Where'd he get the ship though.
Made me also start thinking where did the facehuggers come from in Romulus.
Maybe the black goo just makes anything.
Given what Hawley's show is (re-)establishing about the Alien's origins (or lack thereof), there's no reason now to just assume that the Derelict isn't ancient as was originally intended.
We don't know what he's doing. He just said the prequels weren't useful to him. We also don't know if the tv series is meant to be part of the film universe or not.
We don't know exactly what he's doing, but based on what he's said, we know that he views the Aliens as being ancient and it seems as though that mindset is going to be reflected in whatever he does the series.
Only time will tell for sure, of course, but that does seem to be the way things are going, based on the info we have at the moment.
Is it possible that they'll soft-retcon the goo from Prometheus?
Keep the events and plot intact but retcon the relationship of the engineers to the xeno, why the seeding of life or dna or whatever, their age and factions etc. Their 'lords blood'..perhaps a 'soft' change from Decon blood to xenomorph blood?
It don't sound like Hawley wants to touch any of it.
Quote from: Eal on Apr 06, 2024, 05:26:23 AMIs it possible that they'll soft-retcon the goo from Prometheus?
Keep the events and plot intact but retcon the relationship of the engineers to the xeno, why the seeding of life or dna or whatever, their age and factions etc. Their 'lords blood'..perhaps a 'soft' change from Decon blood to xenomorph blood?
Well technically it's not really Prometheus that does that, it's Covenant.
I think its likely Scott just wanted the black stuff to make f**ked up things then had 6 glasses of wine and Covenant happened.
I think the goo being arbitrary is a Lindelof "Just have shit happen and call it a mystery" special. In Spaiht's script there were distinct eggs for distinct effects.
Being a Lost fan, I totally recognize Lindelof tricks here.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2024, 10:04:04 AMIn Spaiht's script there were distinct eggs for distinct effects.
Probably better, feels like it makes the universe bigger.Makes the Jockey even more interesting. Could even still attack the biblical angle if it's Noah's Ark.
I feel like anything we find out in Romulus will just be an excuse to make someone's face explode. Hope I'm wrong though. :-X
Quote from: Highland on Apr 06, 2024, 12:36:48 PMQuote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2024, 10:04:04 AMIn Spaiht's script there were distinct eggs for distinct effects.
Probably better, feels like it makes the universe bigger.Makes the Jockey even more interesting. Could even still attack the biblical angle if it's Noah's Ark.
I feel like anything we find out in Romulus will just be an excuse to make someone's face explode. Hope I'm wrong though. :-X
Faces are already exploding :laugh:
Rewatched Prometheus just this morning and now onto Covenant. Brings up my on-the-fence feelings regarding the black goo.
Rightfully so.
Quote from: Prez on Apr 11, 2024, 01:46:47 AMRewatched Prometheus just this morning and now onto Covenant. Brings up my on-the-fence feelings regarding the black goo.
Been a while since I watched Covenant properly. Forgot how visceral Ledward's backburster scene is.
Too bad we don't know shit about him prior to his death.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 12:58:14 PMToo bad we don't know shit about him prior to his death.
According to Ben Rigby, the feller who plays him, he was in the army (it's unknown what army, exactly) before being recruited for the
Covenant mission. Of course, that assertion is made outside the sphere of canon, but Ledward had to have had some kind of combat background to be accepted in the first place.
Shortly before the
Covenant launched in 2104, Ledward and the rest of Lopé's team (minus Lopé) helped Daniels foil saboteur Eric Sasaki, who was threatening to blow up one of the terraforming bays. Ledward wanted to shoot Sasaki in the head, but Daniels chose to negotiate with him.
Quote from: Prez on Apr 11, 2024, 11:45:09 AMQuote from: Prez on Apr 11, 2024, 01:46:47 AMRewatched Prometheus just this morning and now onto Covenant. Brings up my on-the-fence feelings regarding the black goo.
Been a while since I watched Covenant properly. Forgot how visceral Ledward's backburster scene is.
Great scene, though it probably could have done without the second blood slip. Love the music during it too.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Apr 12, 2024, 12:04:56 AMQuote from: Prez on Apr 11, 2024, 11:45:09 AMQuote from: Prez on Apr 11, 2024, 01:46:47 AMRewatched Prometheus just this morning and now onto Covenant. Brings up my on-the-fence feelings regarding the black goo.
Been a while since I watched Covenant properly. Forgot how visceral Ledward's backburster scene is.
Great scene, though it probably could have done without the second blood slip. Love the music during it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qh_o19X5D2g&list=PLfzW_wEeYxk6BOn3-Ff309al2je0-TTn1&index=10&pp=iAQB8AUB
Love Kurtzel's score for that film. Was listening to his Snowtown score (his brother directed that one) and there are signature tones and beats to what we hear in the `Medbay' track.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Apr 12, 2024, 12:04:56 AMGreat scene, though it probably could have done without the second blood slip. Love the music during it too.
Also this. Why the need for the second slip while the scene is dead serious ? It's goofy and out of place. Can't they come with anything else in order to make the characters in difficulty ?
Quote from: Prez on Apr 11, 2024, 01:46:47 AMRewatched Prometheus just this morning and now onto Covenant. Brings up my on-the-fence feelings regarding the black goo.
But its "darwinism!"
So many silly actions happen.
Ledworth saying he is going to take a piss only to just have a ciggy break. Why didn't he just say he was going for a ciggy break? Hardly an illegal or bad reason.
Hallet putting his face right up to a spore sac.
Rosenthal going off alone etc.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 12, 2024, 08:39:55 PMSo many silly actions happen.
Ledworth saying he is going to take a piss only to just have a ciggy break. Why didn't he just say he was going for a ciggy break? Hardly an illegal or bad reason.
Hallet putting his face right up to a spore sac.
Rosenthal going off alone etc.
Touching a cobra alien..
Having sex after being on a unknown planet with who knows what pathogens.. I mean just cuz your tech doesn't detect anything bad doesn't mean something isn't there.
Following a android who you saw just try to bond with s Neomorph and then trust him around a bunch of eggs...
Not wearing helmets, sticking their faces in weird ass eggs after a synthetic weirdo told them it was safe... And the list goes on...
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 12, 2024, 08:39:55 PMSo many silly actions happen.
Ledworth saying he is going to take a piss only to just have a ciggy break. Why didn't he just say he was going for a ciggy break? Hardly an illegal or bad reason.
Hallet putting his face right up to a spore sac.
Rosenthal going off alone etc.
Karine was running ecology samples so I imagine if Ledward had said he was going to smoke a cig, she would've rebutted saying she didn't want him possibly polluting/contaminating the environment with unnatural chemicals and litter.
Given Rosenthal was an armed member or the security team and saw that the Neomorphs could be killed with gunfire, and David was still alive and well within the temple after 11 years, she must've felt safe enough to venture off to clean up her wounds.
With Hallet, the away team just spent the last handful of hours on the planet and hadn't encountered danger, animals, or insects of any kind, and plants/fungi aren't lethal unless touched or eaten, I imagine he didn't think much of it. He also had gloved hands when he did decide to disturb it. I mean, Ledward didn't put his face in front of the spore sac and it
still managed to infect him.
;D
Quote from: GrimmVision on Apr 12, 2024, 09:13:36 PMI imagine he didn't think much of it.
So does a lot of characters in a lot of scenes :laugh:
I don't know, I feel the goo needs a fresh perspective. Anyone but Lindeloff and Spahts this time, just to keep things interesting? Hopefully Fede can find a way to make the black goo terrifying.
Well, there's no Lindelof or Spaihts here, so there's that.
Quote from: Eal on Apr 18, 2024, 05:20:11 PMI don't know, I feel the goo needs a fresh perspective. Anyone but Lindeloff and Spahts this time, just to keep things interesting? Hopefully Fede can find a way to make the black goo terrifying.
It's frustrating that the damage they caused now needs people to work hard to retrospectively make it work.
I love what Alien: The Cold Forge & Alien: Into Charybdis made with the prequel lore.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 19, 2024, 07:54:28 PMI love what Alien: The Cold Forge & Alien: Into Charybdis made with the prequel lore.
Too bad f**k all was done with it.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 19, 2024, 08:00:06 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 19, 2024, 07:54:28 PMI love what Alien: The Cold Forge & Alien: Into Charybdis made with the prequel lore.
Too bad f**k all was done with it.
You mean movie-wise, or what the novel followups do with the plot threads introduced in
Cold Forge and
Into Charybdis? I've never read em myself so curious.
Either. The novels don't do the same things.
Everyone gave cold forge rave reviews, but I thought it was just "decent"
I was waiting on some twists and turns that just never really hit.
I think Cold Forge is great, but Into Charybdis is even better.
Would love to see White get to tackle another one at some point.
I know they weren't on the picture of his shelf, but some of the stuff I've heard about Romulus almost makes me wonder if these books were among the sources Fede consulted.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 20, 2024, 02:32:28 AMI think Cold Forge is great, but Into Charybdis is even better.
Would love to see White get to tackle another one at some point.
I know they weren't on the picture of his shelf, but some of the stuff I've heard about Romulus almost makes me wonder if these books were among the sources Fede consulted.
I'll do that one next 8)
Quote from: Eal on Apr 19, 2024, 10:13:19 PMYou mean movie-wise, or what the novel followups do with the plot threads introduced in Cold Forge and Into Charybdis? I've never read em myself so curious.
The novels.
Alien: Romulus is the first movie to come out since
The Cold Forge was released, and we don't know how it'll handle the subject of the pathogen.
Well they apparently gave the pathogen a name in this one.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 20, 2024, 08:58:16 AMWell they apparently gave the pathogen a name in this one.
The Prometheus Strain.
There's precedent for that, though. There's also the 26 Draconis Strain and the Icarus Strain.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 20, 2024, 09:00:35 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 20, 2024, 08:58:16 AMWell they apparently gave the pathogen a name in this one.
The Prometheus Strain.
There's precedent for that, though. There's also the 26 Draconis Strain and the Icarus Strain.
I wonder how they will play knowledge of what happened to the Prometheus getting back to the company.
Quote from: irn on Apr 20, 2024, 09:32:43 AMI wonder how they will play knowledge of what happened to the Prometheus getting back to the company.
W-Y are in the know regarding most of what happened on LV-223. They also know about David's lab on Planet 4.
I'm convinced this won't be referenced in Romulus.
I don't think Fede has gone past the movies, Isolation and the making ofs.
Think/hope.
Marvel's reprint of the early Dark Horse comics was on his shelf in the picture he shared.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 20, 2024, 02:32:28 AMI think Cold Forge is great, but Into Charybdis is even better.
Would love to see White get to tackle another one at some point.
I know they weren't on the picture of his shelf, but some of the stuff I've heard about Romulus almost makes me wonder if these books were among the sources Fede consulted.
I have no doubt he read them! Just seems to similar.
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Pilots create monsters when their biologies encounter the pathogenic AI algorithm.
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They wear symbiote armor. It is powered by the black algorithm
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Eventually everything culminates in the perfect organism. It's like the SiL DNA sequence in Species.
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An Eldritch AI; the Prometheus strain
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The tree of knowledge of good and evil. The True Prometheus fire🔥🏛 the so called plagiarus praepotens...🧬
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Funnily enough, the psionic visions imparted from the Fulfremmen to the players in Heart of Darkness also feature trees.