In a new interview with Funhaus, Neill Blomkamp has spoken a little about his work on and what happened to his proposed Alien 5. While the interview is primarily about his recent work on the fantastic Oats Studios, the hosts can’t help but sneak in some questions about Blomkamp’s involvement with existing properties such as Halo and Alien.
Blomkamp doesn’t go into specifics about the story, but he does talk a little about how far he got into working on the alternate Alien 3 and re-emphasizes that the film started as a Ripley-less film that would turn into an alternate Alien 3 after talking to her on the set of Chappie.
“I basically worked on Alien for about…I met Sigourney on Chappie and I had a different idea for an Alien film I wanted to make. So I had this idea for a story set in the world of those two first films that was not a continuation of James Cameron’s. It was just in the world of it and it had a totally different character that was the lead character. Because my assumption was that Sigourney would just never make another one and I told her about it on Chappie and she was like “No, no, no! I actually would make another one because I felt like Ripley’s story didn’t end correctly.” I was like “oh, okay. That’s amazing!”
So I went back to Vancouver and while I was editing Chappie I started to think about what I would do with Sigourney as basically a sequel to James Cameron’s film. I spent about a year working on it with only Sigourney knowing and I hired one really awesome concept artist. We put together essentially a script and all the artwork and that’s what I went to 20th Century Fox with. They seemed really into it and Ridley came on as producer and then it just unraveled. “
Blomkamp does go on to talk a little about the film’s apparent cancellation. Again, he doesn’t go into specifics but seems to hint at it being due to Ridley’s involvement as producer.
“It’s very difficult to speak about on several levels because Ridley created Alien. It was something that inspired me deeply. I got into film because of it. Everything that happened with my script and with the way the film collapsed – it’s hard to talk about it without it seeming like I’m bashing him which is like one of my idols to get into film. It’s a super strange psychological place but films go down in Hollywood all the time. That’s just essentially, I think, what happened and it sucks for me…It’s not that it sucks for Sigourney, it’s not going to make any difference to her, but I think she really did like the story because it allowed Ripley to…it really felt like a cool third film.”
Last month, Blomkamp was asked about the current condition of the film where he re-affirmed that the film was unlikely to happen: “I think it's totally dead, yes. That would be an accurate assumption at this point.
It's sad. I spent a long time working on that, and I feel like it was really pretty awesome. But politically, the way it's gone now, and the way that it all is — it's just not going to live.”
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Quote...but I think she really did like the story because it allowed Ripley to...
Quote from: BR1XER on Jul 09, 2017, 05:08:15 PMQuote...but I think she really did like the story because it allowed Ripley to...
To what? Sad that we won't get the answer to this. But I'm thinking along the lines of finish her character arc with justice.
QuoteAlien Covenant received fare reviews from critics, and a polarizing response from fans with most being disappointed.
Quote from: Richman678 on Jul 09, 2017, 11:27:47 PM
Look unless your name is Steven Spielberg a major studio is always going to side with Ridley Scott. The man is s legend.
Quote from: SM on Jul 09, 2017, 11:36:18 PMQuoteAlien Covenant received fare reviews from critics, and a polarizing response from fans with most being disappointed.
That would depend on how broad your definition of 'disappointment' is. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57277.1320)
And 'fare'. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant/)
QuoteALIENS (Carnegie, Dearborn and outlying). Count me out of the fan club for this one. To me ``Aliens`` is one extremely violent, protracted attack on the senses, as surviving space explorer Sigourney Weaver again confronts the spiny, slithering creatures who killed her buddies in the original film,
``Alien.`` Toward the end, the film resorts to placing a young girl in jeopardy in a pathetic attempt to pander to who knows what audience. Some people have praised the technical excellence of ``Aliens.`` Well, the Eiffel Tower is technically impressive, but I wouldn`t want to watch it fall apart on people for two hours. R. (STAR)(STAR)
QuoteUnsure if the popular opinion public perception that this movies a dud,
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:26 AMIt's just a popular narrative. Blomkamp's Alien movie would've sucked, let's be honest. All his movies have basically been the same thing, some oppressed group rebelling against their oppressors + video game aesthetics. We see the same thing in his Oats projects. People didn't like the artistic albeit flawed movie that was Covenant and now they're pretending Apartheid with Xenos would've been teh best movie evurr!!
Blomkamp either needs to put or shut up. This beating around the bush nonsense is just dividing the fanbase. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone write about how Blomkamp's Alien would have been so much better than Covenant. Wait...what? Based on what? Nostalgia filled concept art? Either leak the story or shut up. This is starting to sound like sour grapes.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 10, 2017, 02:40:14 AMQuote from: newagescamartist on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:26 AMIt's just a popular narrative. Blomkamp's Alien movie would've sucked, let's be honest. All his movies have basically been the same thing, some oppressed group rebelling against their oppressors + video game aesthetics. We see the same thing in his Oats projects. People didn't like the artistic albeit flawed movie that was Covenant and now they're pretending Apartheid with Xenos would've been teh best movie evurr!!
Blomkamp either needs to put or shut up. This beating around the bush nonsense is just dividing the fanbase. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone write about how Blomkamp's Alien would have been so much better than Covenant. Wait...what? Based on what? Nostalgia filled concept art? Either leak the story or shut up. This is starting to sound like sour grapes.
Quote from: windebieste on Jul 09, 2017, 11:26:54 PM
Would have been great...
...in 1988.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 03:32:18 AM
What bad things has she said?
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 10, 2017, 03:49:17 AMQuote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 03:32:18 AM
What bad things has she said?
She said that ALI3N and RESURRECTION were mistakes.
20 years ago, she said different when her dollar account was huge.
Sigourney Weaver lost any credibility.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 10, 2017, 04:55:28 AM
Another thing is:
WHY Sigourney Weaver is saying the story of Ripley isn't complete?. Money.
Ripley died in ALI3N and Sigourney Weaver played the clone of Ripley in RESURRECTION.
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 01:45:57 AM
Put up what? He can't leak the script.
He's moved on with the Oats stuff, and people keep asking him about Alien and he wants to not look like an unprofessional hack.
Quote from: windebieste on Jul 10, 2017, 05:03:22 AM
Sigourney Weaver and Neill Blomkamp were sitting in the pub during takes of 'Chappie' at lunch time. Neill turns to Sigourney and says "Hey, I have these designs for a movie proposal for a REAL and PROPER sequel to 'ALIENS'"
Sigourney, sipping on her glass of wine replies "Shoot. I'm interested".
"OK." Says Neill "Here. Check out these concept pieces. It'll have you and Micheal and maybe even Carrie can reprise roles."
"That's a fantastic idea!" Responded the tall, dark haired woman. "I'd love that. Have you got any costs worked out yet?"
"Well" Neill responds, pleased to see Sigourney's interest had been captured so readily "I was hoping to work that out with you right now."
OK. Says Weaver "Firstly, there's my fee. That will at least be eight figures and I won't settle for less than twenty million. I got paid eleven million for the same role 20 years ago. I expect at least double that now".
"Done. How much do think Michael should be paid."
"Oh, I don't know. ... make it five million. I think he'll take that. He'll be happy with 8 weeks worth of work and five mill in his pocket at the end of the day."
Neill looked at her and scratched his chin "hmmm... OK. I think that's OK. How about the special effects budget? I've got the technical background, so I know this already. To digitally de-age you for the 2 hour duration of the movie we will need a budget of around thirty million dollars. I think that's about right."
"OK" Says Sigourney "Sounds Great! Let's do it..."
"Wait! Wait! Wait!" insists Neill "There's also the Alien..."
"What about it? These movies are about Ripley - not the Alien. So what?"
"We need to budget for it anyway." Replies Neill.
"Uh, OK" responds Weaver. "I can tell you now James once said if he could get away with a special effect just by throwing a rubber chicken at a wall, he'd do that."
"Well, in that case, how much is a rubber chicken? Anyway, we have to get back to work. I'll work on these costs and send my proposal to the executives at Fox. They'll love it. I'll see you on set in five minutes."
- - -
Two weeks later an evelope full of document arrives on a Fox executive's desk. It's Neill Blomkamp's proposal for an ALIENS movie sequel that should have been made 30 years ago. Inside there's a script, some concept art and a balance sheet of costs. Among the costing for the project are these entries:
$20,000,000 - Sigourney Weaver's fee.
$30,000,000 - Special effects to de-age Ms Weaver for 2 hours.
$5,000,000 - Michael Biehn fee.
$2.50 - Rubber Chicken for creature effects.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Jul 10, 2017, 12:27:28 PM
Blomkamp was only interested in a copy of Aliens: Weaver & Michael Biehn, pulse rilfes, "retro" technology (which was not a stylistic choice back when the first two movies were made but a reflection of that era's design language and technological limitations), colonial marines fighting the alien queen.
It's a stale vision. Fanboyism.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 10, 2017, 12:49:34 PM
Kane's other son-Duly noted however when James Cameron says the script is "gangbusters and could be filmed tomorrow!" and with Weaver's blessing(and her finally admitting Ripley didn't get a proper ending....I'll wait for all 4 Alien 3 fans to show up and argue that) it's a shame ALIEN 5 will *most likely* never get made.
You cannot be happy with Ridley's treatment of *his* films at this point. He's burning it all to the ground. Horrible, horrible sequels. They're not scary. Terrible scripts. Excessive gore(again, not scary). He's lost his touch.
Now he wants to bring Ripley's *mom* into the series? Sorry, I'm checking out. He has successfully destroyed his franchise.
So sad.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 10, 2017, 02:04:27 PM
I love how everyone assumes it would have been a copy of Aliens based purely on... what again? Hicks is in it? Queen?
Damn. Sure smells like 100% Aliens rehash
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 10, 2017, 12:49:34 PM
Kane's other son-Duly noted however when James Cameron says the script is "gangbusters and could be filmed tomorrow!" and with Weaver's blessing(and her finally admitting Ripley didn't get a proper ending....I'll wait for all 4 Alien 3 fans to show up and argue that) it's a shame ALIEN 5 will *most likely* never get made.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 10, 2017, 01:00:55 AM
Stand back for a minute and think about how Blomkamp went about trying to get his film made while Scott was already busy doing his thing with the series. Trying to pitch a film through Instagram thinking online Aliens fanboys would make it work? He cynically used them all. Blomkamp was a complete bellend.
Carry on with the perfect imaginary Blomkamp masterpiece that exists in your own head. I mean there must be thousands of unmade Blomkamp Alien films sitting latently in empty eager skulls out there. Make up any shit you want, Blomkamp would have delivered no matter what.
Numpties
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 10, 2017, 05:29:19 PMQuote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 10, 2017, 01:00:55 AM
Stand back for a minute and think about how Blomkamp went about trying to get his film made while Scott was already busy doing his thing with the series. Trying to pitch a film through Instagram thinking online Aliens fanboys would make it work? He cynically used them all. Blomkamp was a complete bellend.
Carry on with the perfect imaginary Blomkamp masterpiece that exists in your own head. I mean there must be thousands of unmade Blomkamp Alien films sitting latently in empty eager skulls out there. Make up any shit you want, Blomkamp would have delivered no matter what.
Numpties
lol, he didn't "pitch the film through Instagram". He pitched the film directly to Fox long before he posted the concept art on Instagram. The reason he posted the concept art on the internet was because he didn't think he was going to do it anymore. In a IGN video interview he also sincerely denied that he posted the artwork online in order to garner public and media support for the film.
At the time Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox there wasn't much happening with regards to Prometheus 2. No-one knew if it was even still on. Besides, his film would have been an alternative sequel to Aliens, not Prometheus. He wasn't stepping on Scott's toes.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 10, 2017, 06:52:29 PM
It begins to dawn on me just how tasteless what Ridley did is. He has also stated that his favorite alien films are his own. Does anybody have this exact quote somewhere? He basically disrespects Aliens. Aliens is the reason people are still allowed to make these sequels. He has become an egomaniac and he is hellbent on doing these films so he can take credit for all things Alien. He panders to fans just like Blomkamp except that Blomkamp strikes a resonant chord with fans while Ridley just "gives us more xenomorphs". He is pushing this franchise towards the toilet. I do enjoy his new Alien films on their own, but in the. I text of the whole series, they are a huge let-down. David the robot created xenomorphs? What a crock!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 10, 2017, 06:52:29 PM
He basically disrespects Aliens.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 11, 2017, 03:00:42 AM
What's wrong with thinking your own movies are the best? Was he going to pick Alien 3 or Resurrection?
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 11, 2017, 06:55:21 AMQuote from: newagescamartist on Jul 11, 2017, 03:00:42 AM
What's wrong with thinking your own movies are the best? Was he going to pick Alien 3 or Resurrection?
I love his confidence.
Recently, Ridley Scott said his 5 Greatest Sci-Fis of All Time:
1.- 2001(Stanley Kubrick).
2.- STAR WARS(1977).
3.- ALIEN.
4.- BLADE RUNNER.
So, he put 2 of his films in the number 3 and 4 of Greatest of All Time.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 10, 2017, 07:45:14 PM
Seems there may be some hope for Alien 5!
http://www.alien5-movie.com/news/amp/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-originally-did-not-involve-ripley
At the bottom of the article is a mention that an insider has info that Alien 5 is not as dead as we think. Could be just a rumor...
I did check to make sure I wasn't just re-posting the same thing as was on the first page...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 07:42:23 AM
I do know that Fox were still thinking about the concept. I mentioned before how Fox had been in touch with me following Covenant's release. One of the things they were asking about was the interest in Blomkamp's concept so it's not off their radar completely.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 07:42:23 AM
I do know that Fox were still thinking about the concept. I mentioned before how Fox had been in touch with me following Covenant's release. One of the things they were asking about was the interest in Blomkamp's concept so it's not off their radar completely.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
I can't say we've chatted about that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
I can't say we've chatted about that.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 11, 2017, 02:56:57 PMQuote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.
I dont think Im coming out of left field here to NOTE that making Blomkamp's ALIEN film next is a very risky move for them.
There are PROS - Ripley mostly.
But the CONS (right now) are very big.
For instance, the next 'ALIEN' film will be viewed by casual audience members as a sequel to ALIEN: COVENANT, and there is just no way around that.
This franchise's BIGGEST obstacle for audiences right now, is it's indiscernible continuity... Making the sequel to Alien: Covenant be a sequel to Aliens that retcons ALIEN 3 and 4 is NOT A SMART MOVE for this studio with this franchise where it is.
I suppose you could also say that any film that brings Ripley back is a path forward, toward making money and in that way is more bankable to the franchise that a Covenant sequel, but it's a tough thing to explain. The PRESS would be loaded with complicated explanations that would make the series sound like an absolute mess.
Ironically, had they made PARADISE a more direct sequel to PROMETHEUS/ AKA PROMETHEUS 2, this would NOT have been a problem. Once again, they HAD the right idea, and then dropped the ball. They should have made PROMETHEUS 2 and BLOMKAMP'S FILM, like they'd intended. Now its harder to manage the PR.
Im being objective here. Its not that I wouldnt be lining up to see it personally, but this community isn't enough.
As of now, from a business perspective, Blomkamp's ALIEN is a problem BECAUSE of COVENANT. Im not saying they wont take this risk, but I think this is a primary and serious reason why it is unlikely. Or at least, something the studio will seriously struggle with.
They need to wrangle this together NEXT, without question. The franchise is losing it's marbles because its all over the place and impenetrable to casual audiences.
If you look at it this way, a film linking COVENANT to ALIEN is the only logical next move. Its unfortunate but at this point Im betting FOX is going to demand a very simple film that links ALIEN to COVENANT and may even involve RIPLEY'S LINEAGE somehow.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 11, 2017, 03:07:52 PMQuote from: CainsSon on Jul 11, 2017, 02:56:57 PMQuote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.
I dont think Im coming out of left field here to NOTE that making Blomkamp's ALIEN film next is a very risky move for them.
There are PROS - Ripley mostly.
But the CONS (right now) are very big.
For instance, the next 'ALIEN' film will be viewed by casual audience members as a sequel to ALIEN: COVENANT, and there is just no way around that.
This franchise's BIGGEST obstacle for audiences right now, is it's indiscernible continuity... Making the sequel to Alien: Covenant be a sequel to Aliens that retcons ALIEN 3 and 4 is NOT A SMART MOVE for this studio with this franchise where it is.
I suppose you could also say that any film that brings Ripley back is a path forward, toward making money and in that way is more bankable to the franchise that a Covenant sequel, but it's a tough thing to explain. The PRESS would be loaded with complicated explanations that would make the series sound like an absolute mess.
Ironically, had they made PARADISE a more direct sequel to PROMETHEUS/ AKA PROMETHEUS 2, this would NOT have been a problem. Once again, they HAD the right idea, and then dropped the ball. They should have made PROMETHEUS 2 and BLOMKAMP'S FILM, like they'd intended. Now its harder to manage the PR.
Im being objective here. Its not that I wouldnt be lining up to see it personally, but this community isn't enough.
As of now, from a business perspective, Blomkamp's ALIEN is a problem BECAUSE of COVENANT. Im not saying they wont take this risk, but I think this is a primary and serious reason why it is unlikely. Or at least, something the studio will seriously struggle with.
They need to wrangle this together NEXT, without question. The franchise is losing it's marbles because its all over the place and impenetrable to casual audiences.
If you look at it this way, a film linking COVENANT to ALIEN is the only logical next move. Its unfortunate but at this point Im betting FOX is going to demand a very simple film that links ALIEN to COVENANT and may even involve RIPLEY'S LINEAGE somehow.
I think the nostalgia hype machine would kick into full gear. I agree that it could get confusing for the general audience, but the fanbase would hype it for the casual fans. It's a shame both the sequel to Covenant and the NB project can't get greenlit at the same time. If the concept for Alien 5 is really that good I'm willing to swallow a retcon. It's not like it erases Alien 3 and Resurrection from existence, and even though it could be silly, more interest in this franchise is always a good thing especially after the ho-hum box office of Covenant which ironically makes both of these potential sequels even riskier.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 11, 2017, 01:22:23 AM
A followup to Prometheus was green lit a few months before Blomkamp uploaded his work to Instagram, I find it highly unlikely that Blomkamp didn't know that Scott had mentioned even before Prometheus was released he'd expressed interest in making a new series of films.
QuoteIf you believe what you say, then what purpose would it have served for Blomkamp to put his art out there if he had already had talks with Fox and they dismissed the idea of Alien 5? For all intents and purposes his shit stirring got the pot up to a rolling boil didn't it then?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
Considering how little we actually know of that Blomkamp wanted - outside of seeing some aesthetic return from Aliens and his comments about how Alien: Isolation influenced him - it's impossible to say with any definiteness.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PMQuote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 11, 2017, 01:22:23 AM
A followup to Prometheus was green lit a few months before Blomkamp uploaded his work to Instagram, I find it highly unlikely that Blomkamp didn't know that Scott had mentioned even before Prometheus was released he'd expressed interest in making a new series of films.
And Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox "a few months" before uploading the concept art to Instagram. But it's neither here nor there, Blomkamp had no interest in making a Prometheus sequel whatsoever. He wanted to make an alternative Aliens sequel. There would have been no conflict with Scott's Prometheus series.QuoteIf you believe what you say, then what purpose would it have served for Blomkamp to put his art out there if he had already had talks with Fox and they dismissed the idea of Alien 5? For all intents and purposes his shit stirring got the pot up to a rolling boil didn't it then?
Fox didn't say no to him. He was unsure whether he still wanted to do it.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
Considering how little we actually know of that Blomkamp wanted - outside of seeing some aesthetic return from Aliens and his comments about how Alien: Isolation influenced him - it's impossible to say with any definiteness.
He's doing an AMA on Reddit this Thursday @ 9AM PDT. Why not ask him yourself?
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440)
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PMYes, please. And a bunny and Tinkertoys and... ;)
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
He's doing an AMA on Reddit this Thursday @ 9AM PST (4PM GMT). Why not ask him yourself?
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440)
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 11, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
While I'd prefer to see the franchise move back towards the timeline of the first 2 movies, I'd really like to know where N.B. was going with his script. Elysium was just way too political, and I wouldn't want to sit through some 90 minute long political statement from him and weaver. Here's what I'd be worried about
Movies are just another form of story telling. If you don't have a good story, you don't have people's attention. The original movies were well written. Modern Film Makers have the tools and technology to realize almost anything they want, but without a good script, they have nothing.
My opinion of where they should go? Cancel the 3rd prequel immediately. Let it be written by A.D.F. instead. Get Fincher back to direct Vincent Ward's version of Alien 3, or possibly get Cameron to do Gibson's script. Twohy's script can be used as a stand alone film in the future. Fincher wouldn't be a bad choice for that one either. None of it is likely to happen, but when I read those old scripts, I can't help but feel that is where it all went off track. What a waste.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 11, 2017, 02:56:57 PMQuote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.
I dont think Im coming out of left field here to NOTE that making Blomkamp's ALIEN film next is a very risky move for them.
There are PROS - Ripley mostly.
But the CONS (right now) are very big.
For instance, the next 'ALIEN' film will be viewed by casual audience members as a sequel to ALIEN: COVENANT, and there is just no way around that.
This franchise's BIGGEST obstacle for audiences right now, is it's indiscernible continuity... Making the sequel to Alien: Covenant be a sequel to Aliens that retcons ALIEN 3 and 4 is NOT A SMART MOVE for this studio with this franchise where it is.
I suppose you could also say that any film that brings Ripley back is a path forward, toward making money and in that way is more bankable to the franchise that a Covenant sequel, but it's a tough thing to explain. The PRESS would be loaded with complicated explanations that would make the series sound like an absolute mess.
Ironically, had they made PARADISE a more direct sequel to PROMETHEUS/ AKA PROMETHEUS 2, this would NOT have been a problem. Once again, they HAD the right idea, and then dropped the ball. They should have made PROMETHEUS 2 and BLOMKAMP'S FILM, like they'd intended. Now its harder to manage the PR.
Im being objective here. Its not that I wouldnt be lining up to see it personally, but this community isn't enough.
As of now, from a business perspective, Blomkamp's ALIEN is a problem BECAUSE of COVENANT. Im not saying they wont take this risk, but I think this is a primary and serious reason why it is unlikely. Or at least, something the studio will seriously struggle with.
They need to wrangle this together NEXT, without question. The franchise is losing it's marbles because its all over the place and impenetrable to casual audiences.
If you look at it this way, a film linking COVENANT to ALIEN is the only logical next move. Its unfortunate but at this point Im betting FOX is going to demand a very simple film that links ALIEN to COVENANT and may even involve RIPLEY'S LINEAGE somehow, hoping they can make a stew that doesn't involve people needing to have seen COVENANT - and that is also a big problem.
Linking DAVID to RIPLEY cheaply is the most logical route. DAVID can just live and live - -
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.
Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 11, 2017, 05:33:22 PMQuote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PMYes, please. And a bunny and Tinkertoys and... ;)
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.
QuoteI had no idea SM and Hicks were high-up lever pullers at Fox.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 11, 2017, 11:35:02 PM
"Recently, James Cameron said he isn't interested in the ALIEN franchise.
The same with David Fincher. ALI3NS was his first movie and Fincher hated the process. "
Indeed they did. I also remember scott saying the beast was cooked with an orange in its mouth. I also never thought I'd see another Alien film after resurrection. Stranger things have happened. Good gracious, I never thought Cameron would've gone goo-gaws over genisys.
It was just my opinion. I enjoy the dark and gritty/claustrophobic style of fincher's films, and I respect what he was trying to do with Alien 3. Ward's script was very interesting and I just think Fincher would be a good choice to do it. The same with Cameron doing Gibson's script, it's more suited to his talents. Cameron can do really big stuff, which is what's called for, and he made Aliens, which is good enough qualifications for me.
In the end, it doesn't much matter what gets made or doesn't get made from here. The first films gave most people exactly what they wanted, and the good movies that didn't get made are available to read, and that's enough to be thankful for.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 12, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
Which David? The original David or a clone of him made 200 years after his death for the sole purpose of recovering crucial information pertaining to the bonus situation?
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
"But the ALIEN franchise is dying at the box office"
I agree with this position. I personally think it's because the prequels do not really play as alien films. They set off to do their own thing, which was admirable, but they did so with less-than-stellar writing. The idea of a city full of dead bodies sounds menacing, but a lush environment with mountains and rivers and a beautiful city doesn't really scream Alien. Taking the scariest creature ever to grace the dark and confined spaces on film, and drop them in wide-open territory, in plain view, and even in the daylight? It felt like the location for a Christopher Nolan film rather than Alien.
Not to Segway too far, but interestingly enough, I believe it was John Campbell, the author of "who goes there" (the short story that would later become "The Thing") who wrote another short story involving a team of scientists that land on a planet and discover a city full of dead humanoid beings who's bodies lay peaceful and intact. It is revealed that they committed mass suicide either due to, or to avoid death by infection from what was called "intelligent Microbes". These microbes would later infect the scientists, and are unknowingly carried back onto the ship, resulting in more casualties. I thought of this story often when watching covenant, and sometimes it did feel alittle too similar.
But yes, it's not looking good. I'm afraid the future of the franchise is pointing towards hibernation. I'm not ready to say the beast is on it's way to extinction, but if awakening is just more of the same, I do believe we're looking at 10+ years without a film. The question then becomes, what will bring it back? Perhaps a standalone film? Something like resurrection but without the character of ripley. Or the most unlikely option, a straight-up, no joke remake of the original film, with different actors, but the same characters, environment, and events. Blasphemy, I know.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PMWhat the f**king f**k did I just read? That f**king triggered my PTSD mate. Prometheus and AC established a much wider scope for this franchise than Ripley and Co. shooting up bugs, why the f**k would you want to regress into nostalgia-pandering garbage? If we're talking about seats then why not just do a Batman vs Alien cross-over? Super-heroes are a guaranteed hit with nowadays youth.
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off. 30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story. Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2017, 10:36:04 PMIt's one link of a chain in a creation story. I get the thing about the Space Jockey, but some of Giger's art actually kind of already hinted a little bit in that direction https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/7/70/Giger016.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150109041555
Okay, Well, this is just my opinion, but the idea that a single android with a God complex is responsible for the creation of the Alien is not something I'd call universe expanding. It's something a certain amount of people saw coming even before the movie was released, and it's been divisive to say the least. And the space Jockey's existence was already known, so changing them to flawed humanoids only reduced the impact of their existence, not improved it. Again, that's merely my opinion, and no insult is implied.
QuoteI believe that's already been done. Just not on film. Regardless, I would see that movie. Bruce Wayne with and m4, clearing the halls of the GCPD to rescue Jim from the Hive. The tumbler tearing through the "Gigerfied" parking garage of Gotham General. Yes, I would see that movie, and I am not ashamed. :)
QuoteWell, like they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure.That's for sure...
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 12, 2017, 10:21:46 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PMWhat the f**king f**k did I just read? That f**king triggered my PTSD mate. Prometheus and AC established a much wider scope for this franchise than Ripley and Co. shooting up bugs, why the f**k would you want to regress into nostalgia-pandering garbage? If we're talking about seats then why not just do a Batman vs Alien cross-over? Super-heroes are a guaranteed hit with nowadays youth.
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off. 30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story. Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...
Quote from: misterx on Jul 09, 2017, 09:44:22 PM
I suspect what Ridley Scott really meant when he said there wasn't a script, was that there wasn't a script <he liked>. Keeping in mind the Robin Hood script fiasco, that wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Jul 10, 2017, 12:27:28 PM
Blomkamp was only interested in a copy of Aliens: Weaver & Michael Biehn, pulse rilfes, "retro" technology (which was not a stylistic choice back when the first two movies were made but a reflection of that era's design language and technological limitations), colonial marines fighting the alien queen.
It's a stale vision. Fanboyism.
Quotecontrasted against Scott, who mentioned in a recent interview that he actively avoids paying attention to criticism, which means he's unable to learn from it
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off. 30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story. Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...
Quote from: Alionic on Jul 13, 2017, 03:21:52 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off. 30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story. Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...
lol
Just flat out ignoring Alien 3 is such a monumentally stupid idea, which raises unfortunate implications. Beginning a trend in Hollywood of ignoring plot lines of sequels that a fanboy director didn't like sets a dangerous precedent.
FFS what is so hard about making an Alien film without Ripley, Hicks, and Newt?
Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:00:52 AM
Odd that Fox seemingly has so many 'only options'.
Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Sequel to Resurrection.
New version of Alien 3.
Sequel to Covenant.
New AvP film.
Midquel between Prometheus and Covenant.
Something else entirely.
Do nothing.
But according to number of people here, one particular course is the "only option".
Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2017, 01:41:07 AMQuoteI had no idea SM and Hicks were high-up lever pullers at Fox.
Funny about that...
Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Sequel to Resurrection.
QuoteNew version of Alien 3.
QuoteSequel to Covenant.
QuoteNew AvP film.
QuoteMidquel between Prometheus and Covenant.
QuoteSomething else entirely.
QuoteDo nothing.
QuoteUnless it does.QuoteSequel to Resurrection.
A sequel to the under-performing film in the franchise. Won't happen.
QuoteNew version of Alien 3.So it will happen if they want to.
Essentially a retcon.
QuoteAnd you know this how?QuoteSequel to Covenant.
Already being made.
Quoteunless they willQuoteNew AvP film.
After the last ones got such poor reviews? Nope,
Quoteyou know this how again?QuoteMidquel between Prometheus and Covenant.
That's likely to happen. :P
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 13, 2017, 08:43:04 AMQuote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Sequel to Resurrection.
A sequel to the under-performing film in the franchise. Won't happen.QuoteNew version of Alien 3.
Essentially a retcon.QuoteSequel to Covenant.
Already being made.QuoteNew AvP film.
After the last ones got such poor reviews? Nope.QuoteMidquel between Prometheus and Covenant.
That's likely to happen. :PQuoteSomething else entirely.
TV series/streaming. Maybe.QuoteDo nothing.
Not so long as money exists.
Quote from: Russ on Jul 13, 2017, 08:35:19 AMQuote from: SM on Jul 12, 2017, 01:41:07 AMQuoteI had no idea SM and Hicks were high-up lever pullers at Fox.
Funny about that...
SM, that's too cryptic for me! Did you guys mention this to your contacts? Sorry - I'm still only half way down my coffee...
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
He's doing an AMA on Reddit this Thursday @ 9AM PST (4PM GMT). Why not ask him yourself?
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440)
Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Well I can't speak for Hicks, but I'm not even on the same continent as the lever, nevermind pulling it.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
Ha, he's just getting bombarded with questions. No way to answer them all. We'll see if he mentions any more details with regards to Alien 3.2.
Wouldn't surprise me if he had Dakota Fanning in mind for Newt.
Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?
He's already answered that one. :P
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 13, 2017, 05:34:13 AMQuote from: Alionic on Jul 13, 2017, 03:21:52 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off. 30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story. Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...
lol
Just flat out ignoring Alien 3 is such a monumentally stupid idea, which raises unfortunate implications. Beginning a trend in Hollywood of ignoring plot lines of sequels that a fanboy director didn't like sets a dangerous precedent.
FFS what is so hard about making an Alien film without Ripley, Hicks, and Newt?
Ask Ridley Scott.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?
He's already answered that one. :P
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 13, 2017, 08:03:48 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?
He's already answered that one. :P
Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.
It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....
But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 12:03:14 AMQuote from: PierreVW on Jul 13, 2017, 08:03:48 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?
He's already answered that one. :P
Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.
It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....
But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.
Well it's about time!
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 14, 2017, 12:07:16 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 12:03:14 AMQuote from: PierreVW on Jul 13, 2017, 08:03:48 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?
He's already answered that one. :P
Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.
It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....
But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.
Well it's about time!
It's doubtful. Hollywood was and is sexist.
It's impossible a 70-80 million dollar film about a 70 year old woman(Sigourney Weaver).
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 12:23:23 AMQuote from: PierreVW on Jul 14, 2017, 12:07:16 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 12:03:14 AMQuote from: PierreVW on Jul 13, 2017, 08:03:48 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?
He's already answered that one. :P
Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.
It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....
But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.
Well it's about time!
It's doubtful. Hollywood was and is sexist.
It's impossible a 70-80 million dollar film about a 70 year old woman(Sigourney Weaver).
I actually think Sigourney Weaver could be the exception to the rule. People would come out to see that movie. Especially with the dynamic of Hicks and Newt in tow? Gangbusters!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 14, 2017, 05:42:30 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 12:23:23 AMQuote from: PierreVW on Jul 14, 2017, 12:07:16 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 12:03:14 AMQuote from: PierreVW on Jul 13, 2017, 08:03:48 PM
Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.
It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....
But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.
Well it's about time!
It's doubtful. Hollywood was and is sexist.
It's impossible a 70-80 million dollar film about a 70 year old woman(Sigourney Weaver).
I actually think Sigourney Weaver could be the exception to the rule. People would come out to see that movie. Especially with the dynamic of Hicks and Newt in tow? Gangbusters!
Maybe if they got a really famous and current star. Someone like Jennifer Lawrence.
FOX doesn't have faith in NB and 2 really old actors: SW and Hicks.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 14, 2017, 01:39:30 AM
I hope Blomkamp never lives this down, it seems that every time he makes something half decent, hardcore Aliens fans will claim he would have made an amazing film. He's going to be asked about it in every interview from here to kingdom come.
It's called Karma, bitch. Reap it.
You tried your hand and failed.
Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed... :(
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 14, 2017, 07:24:37 AM
And only, from the looks of it. That's a shame. I was really hoping to learn more.
Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed... :( Blomkamp has nothing to live down. And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling. By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit? ;D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PMQuote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed... :( Blomkamp has nothing to live down. And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling. By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit? ;D
Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien. The best sci-fi film never made. This film has just gone to martyr status.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 14, 2017, 05:14:27 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PMQuote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed... :( Blomkamp has nothing to live down. And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling. By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit? ;D
Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien. The best sci-fi film never made. This film has just gone to martyr status.
The best sci-fi movie never made is Jodorowsky's DUNE, and there is a documentary about it.
Blomkamp's ALIENS 2 is just glorified fan-fiction meant to please ALIENS fans and Cameronites.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PMLOL. The ironic thing is it's painfully clear that Jodorowsky's Dune would've been f**king GARBAGE. Thankfully, the good elements were salvaged to make good movies.Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed... :( Blomkamp has nothing to live down. And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling. By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit? ;D
Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien. The best sci-fi film never made. This film has just gone to martyr status.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 14, 2017, 05:19:13 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 14, 2017, 05:14:27 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PMQuote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed... :( Blomkamp has nothing to live down. And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling. By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit? ;D
Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien. The best sci-fi film never made. This film has just gone to martyr status.
The best sci-fi movie never made is Jodorowsky's DUNE, and there is a documentary about it.
Blomkamp's ALIENS 2 is just glorified fan-fiction meant to please ALIENS fans and Cameronites.
Alien 3 fans have such a disdain for Aliens and Cameron...I don't understand it but I find it hilarious.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 14, 2017, 05:51:00 PM
LOL. The ironic thing is it's painfully clear that Jodorowsky's Dune would've been f**king GARBAGE.
QuoteI'm pretty sure people will start to appreciate AC more in the future. I can easily imagine some rabid Alien 5 "fanboy" of today turning 20 in a couple of years and realizing that "Wait a minute, this movie is actually good and has a lot of depth. I guess the I got caught up in the social media frenzy. Lesson learned: the highest upvoted comment is by no means necessarily the most correct comment. I will now have a more open mindset free of social media bias when viewing cinematic art in the future."
QuoteAt the same time though, I truly hope this Alien 5 thing turns into a meme to haunt Blomkamp forever. Just imagine 20 years into the future, Blomkamp has just released the third part in his District 9 saga which is exactly the same thing as the first one except now the main character is a South African rapper with progeria whose best friend is a conscious robot Walrus, trying to both fight social injustice and his rapid ageing at the same time. During the highly anticipated premier, Blomkamp is interviewed about the movie. The interview goes well, asking about the movie and the production hurtles etc. until the very last question, which would go something like this:
"District 11 has been quite an anticipated movie, but I think I speak for most people when I say that what the fans really want is Alien 5. Are there any plans to resurrect this movie? *Editors note: De-aging the now 90 year old Sigourney Weaver in a respectable way is now technologically feasible*
Neill Blomkamp's face starts reddening, he stammers something which slightly resembles curses directed toward the now deceased Ridley Scott (may peace be upon him) before fleeing the scene with tears rolling down his cheeks.
Quote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Alien 1979 "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986 "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992 "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997 "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001 "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"
That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 14, 2017, 01:39:30 AM
I hope Blomkamp never lives this down, it seems that every time he makes something half decent, hardcore Aliens fans will claim he would have made an amazing film. He's going to be asked about it in every interview from here to kingdom come.
It's called Karma, bitch. Reap it.
You tried your hand and failed.
Quote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Alien 1979 "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986 "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992 "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997 "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001 "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"
That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga
Quote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PMThat's what it was supposed to be. We all know it :(
Alien 1979 "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986 "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992 "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997 "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001 "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"
That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 14, 2017, 06:10:14 PMQuote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 14, 2017, 05:19:13 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 14, 2017, 05:14:27 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PMQuote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed... :( Blomkamp has nothing to live down. And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling. By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit? ;D
Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien. The best sci-fi film never made. This film has just gone to martyr status.
The best sci-fi movie never made is Jodorowsky's DUNE, and there is a documentary about it.
Blomkamp's ALIENS 2 is just glorified fan-fiction meant to please ALIENS fans and Cameronites.
Alien 3 fans have such a disdain for Aliens and Cameron...I don't understand it but I find it hilarious.
Actually, I have no disdain for ALIENS and Cameron. I have disdain for the hype, over-appreciation and god status.Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 14, 2017, 05:51:00 PM
LOL. The ironic thing is it's painfully clear that Jodorowsky's Dune would've been f**king GARBAGE.
I guess I was too subtle in my sarcasm...
QuoteI'm pretty sure people will start to appreciate AC more in the future. I can easily imagine some rabid Alien 5 "fanboy" of today turning 20 in a couple of years and realizing that "Wait a minute, this movie is actually good and has a lot of depth. I guess the I got caught up in the social media frenzy. Lesson learned: the highest upvoted comment is by no means necessarily the most correct comment. I will now have a more open mindset free of social media bias when viewing cinematic art in the future."
Probably.QuoteAt the same time though, I truly hope this Alien 5 thing turns into a meme to haunt Blomkamp forever. Just imagine 20 years into the future, Blomkamp has just released the third part in his District 9 saga which is exactly the same thing as the first one except now the main character is a South African rapper with progeria whose best friend is a conscious robot Walrus, trying to both fight social injustice and his rapid ageing at the same time. During the highly anticipated premier, Blomkamp is interviewed about the movie. The interview goes well, asking about the movie and the production hurtles etc. until the very last question, which would go something like this:
"District 11 has been quite an anticipated movie, but I think I speak for most people when I say that what the fans really want is Alien 5. Are there any plans to resurrect this movie? *Editors note: De-aging the now 90 year old Sigourney Weaver in a respectable way is now technologically feasible*
Neill Blomkamp's face starts reddening, he stammers something which slightly resembles curses directed toward the now deceased Ridley Scott (may peace be upon him) before fleeing the scene with tears rolling down his cheeks.
8)
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 14, 2017, 06:53:46 PMQuote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Alien 1979 "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986 "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992 "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997 "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001 "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"
That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga
Oh my god. You nailed it. We could've been done. That sequence of films would've been amazing.
Don't ever forget that this is all the fault of Alien 3. The franchise arguably has STILL not recovered.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
Yes, i suspect most people still don't like Alien 3. We have a very tiny cross-section of people on here who are hard-core fans of the series and therefore embraced Alien 3. The casual fans of the series or the people for whom the series had broad appeal have long gone. That is Alien 3's fault.
People wanted a dark Swiss Family Robinson in space after Aliens. That's basically the direction that film took the series in. People wanted the series to be based on certain beloved characters and not just about alien creatures with no personality. They are alligators for all intents and purposes...
Quote from: darkvegetto on Jul 15, 2017, 03:03:02 PM
I find it funny how some of you guys defend AC and say how alien 5 would have been stupid...did you even watch AC ??? did I see a different version... not only was AC stupid..it was a bad movie and RIdley scott is not a legend... he has tenure but that doesn't make you a legend.... Spielberg is a legend..... don't confuse the too
Quote from: Russ on Jul 15, 2017, 12:09:07 PM
You're both right. I know SpreadEagleBeagle will be angry - but as good (with the obligatory "yet flawed") a film as AL III EN is... it f**ked everything up in terms of future movies. No one really liked it at the time, most people STILL don't like it (OK - prefer it, I like it, but I wish that it didn't exist). The sequence above would have been entirely satisfying - and maybe even would't have relied on Ripley being in it at all after Aliens.
Quote from: Hemi on Jul 17, 2017, 06:38:30 AM
Still not as bad as AVP / AVPR & Prometheus. I would watch A3-AC and AR above all those any day of the week.