Poll
Question:
Are you for the new Predator face or against?
Option 1: I do like the new face design
votes: 30
Option 2: I do not like the new face design
votes: 73
Option 3: It is ok and I am willing to accept the new face design
votes: 47
Ok so I think we have enough to go on here to begin a full discussion. Here are some images courtesy of shadowedge, thank you by the way.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11990;image)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11992;image)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11994;image)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11996;image)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11998;image)
So what are we all thinking at this point? Me...I'm not digging the face. It's looking too different, even for a possible subspecies. Another critique I have is the dreads. They look too thin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUdN8XHUcAAeHPL?format=jpg&name=large)
Looks way too different. Like that's not the Predator I became a fan of. Mask, dreads, armor... I'm like... what is that ?
Feels like a reboot with a redesigned Predator creature to be honest.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 05, 2022, 03:20:45 AMLooks way too different. Like that's not the Predator I became a fan of. Mask, dreads, armor... I'm like... what is that ?
Feels like a reboot with a redesigned Predator creature to be honest.
What we have seen of the armor and mask look fine to me. I like that this Predator has a type of backpack, which I liked on Jungle Hunter, Wolf, and the 2004 AVP Predators.
I like the bone mask.
I like the idea of a Predator using more primitive style of armors to hunt a more primitive prey. If that means bones, I'm in. That mask is sick. Ready for some figures of this Predator to take photos of!
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 05, 2022, 02:47:11 AMhttps://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11994;image
They "stole" the shield concept from the AvP: Redemption fan film. :)
As far as we can tell with material avaliable I like the design.
Mask- I`d rather have more simple approach to the mask vide Predator 2 crew, but I think this skull piece is an attatchment like jaw on the BSP and we will have version without it throughout the movie.
Face- I don`t think we have enough material to judge it. Looks monstrous, which is good.
Shield- I love the shield. I always thought such shield would fit the predator. The design is similar to Van Fanel`s from Vision of Escaflowne or Kratos`s for GoW 2018.
Backpack- classic predator backpack is back, love it!
Sword- the handle above left shoulder looks like sword grip of Borg predator. We`ll see what it does.
Wristblades- The do look very classic, dual wristblades. From what we have I think they are thiner and more hook in design.
Spear- The thing that hits the tree is either spear of arrow. Both are more then welcome!
Quote from: Master on Jun 05, 2022, 08:12:14 AMSpear- The thing that hits the tree is either spear of arrow. Both are more then welcome!
That's an arrow. It seems that there will be no plasmacaster this time ( :( ), but a speargun or a kinda high-tech bow as the Predator's ranged weapon (for what else would there be the target laser?).
However, there is a spear/combi-stick as well, the horseman uses it.
I think it's a lady Predator.
I don't see any boobies on it
I absolutely love it. The thinner dreads look good, the biomask is different yet monstrous and stylish. The shield is amazing.
And the Pred appears to be HUGE.
Just crossposting from the Catch All thread but it reminds me of one of Wolf's early designs.
(https://i.imgur.com/apcEkdU.jpg)
New guy here with a theory I've had for a while; Does Legacy FX, formerly Stan Winston Studio, legally own the original designs from Pred/Pred 2? While 2oth Century owns the character. So any new company, while they can make Preds, they have to legally make them different even by small degrees to avoid Legacy FX's copyright?
Quote from: Xerxész on Jun 05, 2022, 07:22:02 AMQuote from: The Shuriken on Jun 05, 2022, 02:47:11 AMhttps://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11994;image
They "stole" the shield concept from the AvP: Redemption fan film. :)
I was thinking more Sekiro. Prequel set in Japan showing that this is a jet setting Predator nicking things from various countries.
Until we get a legit name of this Predator from Dan, I will refer to it as Skullhead.
I'm going to call it bone face :laugh:
The wrist blades look weird. Everything else I like.
I like it all, really digging this design. The face probably not so much but if it's a female predator I'll for forgive the changes as long as the effect looks convincing.
Fully expecting a crabator face but like i said before, if the movie is good then I won't mind.
It's possible it's female, but I doubt it. Why spend all that time developing the female for Hunting Grounds and then proceed to go in another direction immediately after? Like it or not we know what the females look like and we know what they've had in mind every time they got brought up barring Big Momma.
I find it far more likely it's another super from what we can tell of the face.
I know it's Fox (or what's left of it and they don't know they're ass from their back pocket), but I don't think they'd have approved Cleopatra or even the upcoming Illfonic females if the female looks that different.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 05, 2022, 03:26:29 PMUntil we get a legit name of this Predator from Dan, I will refer to it as Skullhead.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Jun 05, 2022, 03:38:26 PMI'm going to call it bone face :laugh:
The wrist blades look weird. Everything else I like.
What if there are two Preds in the movie?
The one weve seen so far in the trailer, who is the main antagonist (possibly a new super or bad blood, if the different look is any indication) and Greyback, who will be kept secret and wont be shown in any trailers.
Movie ending with Greyback + main character killing the bad blood, and Greyback somehow acquiring the flintlock.
I doubt it will happen like this, but it would be interesting.
I also dont believe the Pred is female: we know how females look at this point, and its nothing like this. Ofc they couldve just created a new look for a female for the movie, but that would be pretty strange.
I definitely think there will be two Preds, as we've had two prominent creature performers posting Pred stuff.
I like the design, but yeah it's way different. Main thing I noticed was the thin dreads, I almost thought it was a headdress at first.
It's cool to finally see a Skull mask on screen. Got hints of that with Bonegrill, and more recently with Ultimate Shaman and Alpha.
Can't believe we're discussing the possibility of Super Preds again. Just make it a normal looking Pred (face and body anyway). The mask, armour, weapons and colour variations should be enough. Like how City Hunter stays true to Jungle Hunter.
I don't think it'll be established as a super Pred. That could just be fan interpretation over the different design.
starting to think there are 2 predators as well. perhaps a male and a female.
silhouette shot = larger male, unmasked (plasmacaster on right shoulder)
shield shot = leaner female, bone mask (sword/spear on left shoulder)
Quote from: von on Jun 05, 2022, 05:11:20 PMsilhouette shot = larger male, unmasked (plasmacaster on right shoulder)
Nope, I think.
That's not plasmacaster. It is the sword.
However, I would love if there will be a plasmacaster as well. :)
This guy just popped into my head. Kinda see a little bit of similarities in that mouth area?
(https://pm1.narvii.com/6545/8db522d650a288e0892c9d29f921641657f88b61_hq.jpg)
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Quote from: Mikey on Jun 05, 2022, 05:24:54 PMThis guy just popped into my head. Kinda see a little bit of similarities in that mouth area?
https://pm1.narvii.com/6545/8db522d650a288e0892c9d29f921641657f88b61_hq.jpg
Screen Shot 2022-06-04 at 3.41.04 PM.jpg
Hope I don't offend anyone if they're into that design but I think it looks terrible, even worse than Scar's face
Someone in another thread mentioned it reminded them of Big Game which would be a better "different" look than this
Quote from: Doomofman on Jun 05, 2022, 05:39:42 PMQuote from: Mikey on Jun 05, 2022, 05:24:54 PMThis guy just popped into my head. Kinda see a little bit of similarities in that mouth area?
https://pm1.narvii.com/6545/8db522d650a288e0892c9d29f921641657f88b61_hq.jpg
Screen Shot 2022-06-04 at 3.41.04 PM.jpg
Hope I don't offend anyone if they're into that design but I think it looks terrible, even worse than Scar's face
Someone in another thread mentioned it reminded them of Big Game which would be a better "different" look than this
It's a black goo affected Predator, so he's gonna look a little funky on that comic design. Not a big fan myself, but just something that clicked in my head while brainstorming on the design.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 05, 2022, 03:58:55 PMIt's possible it's female, but I doubt it. Why spend all that time developing the female for Hunting Grounds and then proceed to go in another direction immediately after? Like it or not we know what the females look like and we know what they've had in mind every time they got brought up barring Big Momma.
I find it far more likely it's another super from what we can tell of the face.
I know it's Fox (or what's left of it and they don't know they're ass from their back pocket), but I don't think they'd have approved Cleopatra or even the upcoming Illfonic females if the female looks that different.
Theatrical and everything else are very separate divisions, I'm afraid. The movies are free to do whatever they want, to hell with contradicting the EU. I wouldn't look at how Hunting Grounds presents the females as being any sort of roadblock towards how a film would want to do them.
Quote from: Mikey on Jun 05, 2022, 05:24:54 PMThis guy just popped into my head. Kinda see a little bit of similarities in that mouth area?
https://pm1.narvii.com/6545/8db522d650a288e0892c9d29f921641657f88b61_hq.jpg
Screen Shot 2022-06-04 at 3.41.04 PM.jpg
I think that's mostly just the actual jaw of the skull-mask.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 05, 2022, 05:44:27 PMI think that's mostly just the actual jaw of the skull-mask.
Certainly won't be the first time we've seen a skull implemented on a mask in the films.
http://pm1.narvii.com/6144/6d7f66ed7c8e2b80193f029c25187b76adba58ef_00.jpg (http://pm1.narvii.com/6144/6d7f66ed7c8e2b80193f029c25187b76adba58ef_00.jpg)
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 05, 2022, 02:47:11 AMOk so I think we have enough to go on here to begin a full discussion. Here are some images courtesy of shadowedge, thank you by the way.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11990;image
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11992;image
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11994;image
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11996;image
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11998;image
So what are we all thinking at this point? Me...I'm not digging the face. It's looking too different, even for a possible subspecies. Another critique I have is the dreads. They look too thin.
You're welcome and happy to help.
Edit: Here are images brightened up from the 4k version. More detail can be seen now.
Yeah I think we've been f**ked over again.
The screencap of the predator in the tree vs a mountain lion looks pretty thin. Maybe it is Naru in the Predator's armor or maybe it is a female Predator? Looks less bulky then the silhouette from before. Maybe there is a male and female Predator.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jun 05, 2022, 07:51:37 PMThe screencap of the predator in the tree vs a mountain lion looks pretty thin. Maybe it is Naru in the Predator's armor or maybe it is a female Predator? Looks less bulky then the silhouette from before. Maybe there is a male and female Predator.
I think that's one of the male hunters. Not a Predator.
Quote from: RoguePred1987 on Jun 05, 2022, 12:57:34 PMNew guy here with a theory I've had for a while; Does Legacy FX, formerly Stan Winston Studio, legally own the original designs from Pred/Pred 2? While 2oth Century owns the character. So any new company, while they can make Preds, they have to legally make them different even by small degrees to avoid Legacy FX's copyright?
No, they were work for hire. The design trademarks if any are with the film studio.
Kind of get Kenner vibes from it.
Which I don't necessarily hate.
I definitely looking forward to watch Prey. The Predator design is pretty cool, also the setting.
The more I stare at this pic, the more I think predator has no facemask other then this skull. I made a crude outline of mandibles and eye sockets of the creature:
(https://i.imgur.com/j7qJS9J.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dokyZM4.jpg)
I like it, i'm also at the point of overlooking the fact that the face design may not be a carbon copy of the one we had in the original, as long as the film is well made and the creature still acts and behaves as we all hope it should with an era of mystery and horror to it then i'm happy, provided the film itself delivers.
Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2022, 07:08:47 AMThe more I stare at this pic, the more I think predator has no facemask other then this skull. I made a crude outline of mandibles and eye sockets of the creature:
https://i.imgur.com/j7qJS9J.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/dokyZM4.jpg
I thought this myself, but you can see in this picture there is indeed some form of metallic mask/helmet under the top layer.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11996;image
Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2022, 07:08:47 AMThe more I stare at this pic, the more I think predator has no facemask other then this skull. I made a crude outline of mandibles and eye sockets of the creature:
https://i.imgur.com/j7qJS9J.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/dokyZM4.jpg
Yeah I'm also wondering what is the mask and what is the face. NECA's Ultimate Scout had a pretty different mandible design that kind of reminds me of your sketch there.
Photo Credit: Toyark
(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/12/NECA-Ultimate-Scout-Predator-Figure-036.jpg)
Perhaps they're also going with a big departure to what's been seen before, ala this concept by Carlo Arellano:
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/009/285/110/4k/carlo-arellano-pred.jpg?1518112678)
In any case, not enough to really go on at the moment.
I think the Plasmacaster will be there. I think that trailer shot may just be faux editing. Seems daft to have a targeting laser for a bow.
I imagine it will be used sparingly however.
Nothing will beat City Hunter and jungle hunter. The series is missing stan Winston
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jun 06, 2022, 11:05:47 AMI think the Plasmacaster will be there. I think that trailer shot may just be faux editing. Seems daft to have a targeting laser for a bow.
I imagine it will be used sparingly however.
It is actually a thing in archery. Laser sights for bows. I can see it making perfect sense for the Predators too.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 06, 2022, 10:35:33 AMQuote from: Master on Jun 06, 2022, 07:08:47 AMThe more I stare at this pic, the more I think predator has no facemask other then this skull. I made a crude outline of mandibles and eye sockets of the creature:
https://i.imgur.com/j7qJS9J.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/dokyZM4.jpg
Yeah I'm also wondering what is the mask and what is the face. NECA's Ultimate Scout had a pretty different mandible design that kind of reminds me of your sketch there.
Photo Credit: Toyark
https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/12/NECA-Ultimate-Scout-Predator-Figure-036.jpg
Perhaps they're also going with a big departure to what's been seen before, ala this concept by Carlo Arellano:
https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/009/285/110/4k/carlo-arellano-pred.jpg?1518112678
In any case, not enough to really go on at the moment.
From the stills, the impression I'm getting is that we've got a half-mask situation going off here, with the skull obscuring the actual Predator face, but exposing the mandibles. I don't believe (well, I hope) we haven't gotten a complete Predator redesign here.
I'm all for subtle differences (I don't mind the seemingly thinner dreads) but I wouldn't really enjoy a complete retake of the face. But that's not the impression I've gotten so far.
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 05, 2022, 03:08:17 AMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUdN8XHUcAAeHPL?format=jpg&name=large
Ah so Sasquatch is in this movie....where's the Predator?
The days of slender predators seem to be gone forever.
For those who don't know I found this video on YouTube that explains what went wrong with the Predator faces and how to fix it.
Voodoo Magic might like this.
The main issue is that when the face is designed it used to be made with the mandibles closed so that when it roared it will open naturally.
Now post predator 2, they are designed with the mouth already open so when the mouth closes there is a lot of extra skin.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jun 06, 2022, 03:29:52 PMFor those who don't know I found this video on YouTube that explains what went wrong with the Predator faces and how to fix it.
Voodoo Magic might like this.
The main issue is that when the face is designed it used to be made with the mandibles closed so that when it roared it will open naturally.
Now post predator 2, they are designed with the mouth already open so when the mouth closes there is a lot of extra skin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
We are all very much aware of this video. The guy makes all valid points about how Predators should look. And yet again it appears it was ignored.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jun 06, 2022, 03:15:10 PMQuote from: ace3g on Jun 05, 2022, 03:08:17 AMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUdN8XHUcAAeHPL?format=jpg&name=large
Ah so Sasquatch is in this movie....where's the Predator?
The days of slender predators seem to be gone forever.
Fugitive predator in the last movie was pretty slender.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 06, 2022, 04:26:14 PMQuote from: Jigsaw85 on Jun 06, 2022, 03:15:10 PMQuote from: ace3g on Jun 05, 2022, 03:08:17 AMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUdN8XHUcAAeHPL?format=jpg&name=large
Ah so Sasquatch is in this movie....where's the Predator?
The days of slender predators seem to be gone forever.
Fugitive predator in the last movie was pretty slender.
Fugitive was a very nice looking design. Movie did a ton of things wrong but the fugitive design was one of its bright spots
Allrighty then you ugly motherf**kers, I knew I saw such predator face and mandible placement ,like in this shot, earlier:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=12014;image)
I did some research, aaaaaaand...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator1-concept-001.jpg)
(https://swsca-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachments/40/predator-004.jpg?1338322887)
...it's Stan Winston's own concept design! Mandible placement is like in picture nr 1 and eyebrows shape is from picture nr 2. There you have it and you've heard about it here first! With those thinner dreadlocks I wouldn't be surprised if it head such top knot too.
Haha, that would be great !
Plot twist - there's actually a Headcrab in front of the Pred in that shot.
There's really just not enough to make a proper evaluation from one frame as he's leaping through the air.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 06, 2022, 09:09:40 PMThere's really just not enough to make a proper evaluation from one frame as he's leaping through the air.
True, but those facial features are there and evident in this one.
Another thing that struck me is just how interesting the dreads look is. No texture, compact and thin but graceful looking. Makes infinitely curious about what face lied beneath that mask. Overall though love the shield, the mask, all of it. Glad we saw it first in this fashion and not in some random pic taken on set.
(https://i.ibb.co/MR71sXT/dreads.png)
Quote from: KaliPrime on Jun 06, 2022, 10:44:41 PMAnother thing that struck me is just how interesting the dreads look is. No texture, compact and thin but graceful looking. Makes infinitely curious about what face lied beneath that mask. Overall though love the shield, the mask, all of it. Glad we saw it first in this fashion and not in some random pic taken on set.
(https://i.ibb.co/MR71sXT/dreads.png)
Yeah I've come to realize that even if the face ends up looking better than expected, I still lose with the dreads. They're far too thin. Thinner than Wolf's. Which were already a little too thin for me, but I'm just a few inches north of being able to tolerate it. But these dreads on Skullhead (my name for him) just don't look right. :(
I've been so caught up with the weird face and the fact I don't think he can see out of that mask that I hadn't even considered the thinner dreadlocks. At least for me, they don't matter nearly as much as a decent face. So if I was forced to choose one, I'd want a more P/P2 style face over thicker dreads.
As with any other variation in movie design (including face/mandibles) they can all basically be put down to difference in race, just like we have on Earth seeing as they've never been given any other context on screen at this point
I'll take different if it's done well. Execution is everything.
It's a shame that it doesn't have those dreadlock rings. Could have taken the chance to use the Elder's dreadlocks as inspiration of adding interesting details from bone to bronze rings along side other Predator cultural details new to the series.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jun 07, 2022, 05:43:27 AMIt's a shame that it doesn't have those dreadlock rings. Could have taken the chance to use the Elder's dreadlocks as inspiration of adding interesting details from bone to bronze rings along side other Predator cultural details new to the series.
Those were just the equivalent of popped collars at the time of the films.
Having said that I'm all on board for spaghetti-hair skull-face headcrab-ator, it's pretty sweet.
I can picture it with spring loaded shield spinning action, Turbo Attack Crossbow and several glow in the dark details, against like a calamari risotto Alien with realistic launching green oinons.
I don't really have a problem with thinner dreads myself. It's not like all humans have the exact same proportions for every organ or anatomical feature. But I am curious to see a clearer shot of the face.
Yeah I kinda like the thin dreads actually.
It's not even something I noticed until people started pointing it out, so I have no problem with it.
Quote from: Kailem on Jun 07, 2022, 01:04:40 PMIt's not even something I noticed until people started pointing it out, so I have no problem with it.
Same
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 07, 2022, 01:08:50 PMQuote from: Kailem on Jun 07, 2022, 01:04:40 PMIt's not even something I noticed until people started pointing it out, so I have no problem with it.
Same
Yep, same here.
I will be honest, I didn't even notice it had thinner dreads.
They look too much like wires IMO.
QuoteTRACHTENBERG: For the look of the creature, I really wanted to get out of the bodybuilder/wrestler thing. The first thing to go was the mesh netting that he, or it, has worn previously. I wanted to have this thing feel much more creature-like and way more visceral.
Why you gotta do me like that Dan? :'(
Much like the thinner dreads, hadn't even noticed the lack of mesh until seeing that quote. Though I don't think most of the last predators had the mesh either like Fugitive or Berserker
Also
Dan: I really wanted to get out of the bodybuilder/wrestler thing
Predator *deadlifts a bear*
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jun 07, 2022, 05:43:27 AMIt's a shame that it doesn't have those dreadlock rings. Could have taken the chance to use the Elder's dreadlocks as inspiration of adding interesting details from bone to bronze rings along side other Predator cultural details new to the series.
I'm liking the thinner dreads but have to agree with this sentiment. I wish they'd have more fun with the decorative beading used on the their dreads. Make me a space pirate! :laugh:
Found this artists rendition of the new Predator design.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CegMKmLLgAl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CegMKmLLgAl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
I'm liking the design the more I see of it.
Soooo, its confirmed, this guy will definitely look different than the ones weve seen before.
QuoteTrachtenberg: Our Predator in my mind, not only does he exist, you know, 300 years before, but I think in sci-fi movie terms, time moves very slowly. (...) Ships aren't suddenly like so different. But I think this guy's perhaps from a different hemisphere of the planet and a little bit of a different breed. So even his look is a little new, it's familiar, but new. So I'm excited for people, even for diehard fans, to really see something they hadn't seen before.
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/new-prey-trailer-hulu-predator-director-dan-trachtenberg-new-gadgets/
Be prepared people, we definitely wont get a "classic" Pred as we know them (if Greyback doesnt appear alongside this new one). Not an entirely different sub-species, like the Super Preds, but different.
While i remain a bit wary (i hated the very idea of Super Preds), i dont think thats necessarily a bad thing. The City Hunter looked pretty different from the Jungle Hunter, and hes the best looking Pred to this day imho.
I'm currently digging the half life head crab look.
It is different; but still looks like a predator. A good mix of tribal & tech.
It is good to see them gamble. I just hope it's not too much. What is under that mask could be what gets fandom really riled up.
It's better than the make it bigger & "cooler" designs the last few films gave us. Predator 2.0 high tech, steroid popping, toy machines were lame.
We've seen more unique designs in action figures than the last 2 films gave us. Hope this predator fits into that mix without mudding up the water more.
I am totally on board for the unique rendition. The vast variety of human appearances means that they do have a high degree of creative leeway. Plus despite predators potentially having a different experience of time, this is still 3 centuries in the past. Note the red tint of the invisibility cloak, the red tint on the projectile as it whizzes by the warrior's head in the field. I think this will be an incredible addition to lore from an aesthetic standpoint.
Saw banding and stripes I thought on some of the over-exposed screencaps. The dreads are cool, I never liked the ones from The Predator. But I can dig this. The mask too, love the idea of it not having eyes with that bone covering. The shield is ornamental in a way, but love the ovoid shape of it. Not purely pragmatic, otherwise it would be a huge spartan style mobile wall.
Hope we see a reveal of other hunters at the end like we had in P2 and AVP. Mostly P2 though, because so much packed into such a mysterious short scene. Maybe I am the fool, but I am full on excited about everything we have seen so far.
I don't know, I feel there's been too much focus on "different and new" instead of just slightly tweaking what already is known to look the best.
Having him look different does free up ADI to go all in on this film rather than fit the mold from a previous interpretation. He's not from Jungle Hunter's turf so he's gonna look a little gnarly.
Like with how they talk, the films adapting the different bodies and faces from the regions of the homeworld is all things considered good for us creatively. It means future Predator can get a little gross or scary without risking the audience having seen it twice or fitting expectations.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 07, 2022, 05:21:58 PMThey look too much like wires IMO.
QuoteTRACHTENBERG: For the look of the creature, I really wanted to get out of the bodybuilder/wrestler thing. The first thing to go was the mesh netting that he, or it, has worn previously. I wanted to have this thing feel much more creature-like and way more visceral.
Why you gotta do me like that Dan? :'(
Too bad with the mesh :-\ ... not a major detail by any means. But it does add to a list of some other subtle Predator elements we are missing again with another new character. Such as the dreadlocks rings missing, which I thought are both amazing tribal touches that add a little more history with them.
Also the approach to the actual Predators face is to be seen still. The fact we are having the discussion again is ironic, and not that I personally mind if they go away from the classic look, etc.
*Side note: I thought KNB EFX did a pretty solid job with the Classic Predator in Predator's and the movie shot below was nice. Even the Berserker Predator's face was impressive [mandibles a bit much most times shown, but if the animatronics could have been pulled back a bit maybe ha]. Either way, I thought Berserker's look and practical face effects were done well, especially in that Classic Predator fight scene. The GIF image below from on-set, shows pretty nice effects I thought for the Berserker face in that scene as well.
But anyways, I was hoping like many I think that there might be a closer connection to the Lost Tribe Predators in this new film like Greyback. Still could be I suppose...but at the very least, wish we could be getting back to that same style & design of Predator we can appreciate 100%.
I am really digging this new Predator design all things considered so far. Just happy we have a new Predator film at all! Got that hype back up! 8)
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https://twitter.com/jolousDA/status/1534397747230560256
cant wait for this move favorite scene was when he flipped the axe
Getting that bad feeling we'll be getting another Predator where I prefer his bio-mask to stay on.
- DAN: "For the look of the creature, I really wanted to get out of the bodybuilder/wrestler thing. The first thing to go was the mesh netting that he, or it, has worn previously. I wanted to have this thing feel much more creature-like and way more visceral."
....
When did Predator look like a bodybuilder or wrestler? Yes, he frustratingly did later years (unfortunately) in the AVPs and The Predator but he sure didn't in the Stan Winston / Kevin Peter Hall days.
And the netting. The Thomas Brothers originally designed that netting to be instrumental on how the camouflage worked, through a netted bodysuit. It's conception wasn't for aesthetics sake.
....
- DAN: "But I think this guy's perhaps from a different hemisphere of the planet and a little bit of a different breed. So even his look is a little new, it's familiar."
....
Visually to me, in the AvPs and The Predator, we already received a different breed outside Predator and Predator 2 (and the crucified/classic in Predators). Now what are we going to get?
*Sigh* Alas, this is Hollywood. A let's put our stamp on it / we can do it better.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 03:09:29 PM- DAN: "For the look of the creature, I really wanted to get out of the bodybuilder/wrestler thing. The first thing to go was the mesh netting that he, or it, has worn previously. I wanted to have this thing feel much more creature-like and way more visceral."
....
When did Predator look like a bodybuilder or wrestler? Yes, he frustratingly did later years (unfortunately) in the AVPs and The Predator but he sure didn't in the Stan Winston / Kevin Peter Hall days.
And the netting. The Thomas Brothers originally designed that netting to be instrumental on how the camouflage worked, through a netted bodysuit. It's conception wasn't for aesthetics sake.
....
- DAN: "But I think this guy's perhaps from a different hemisphere of the planet and a little bit of a different breed. So even his look is a little new, it's familiar."
....
Visually to me, in the AvPs and The Predator, we already received a different breed outside Predator and Predator 2 (and the crucified/classic in Predators). Now what are we going to get?
*Sigh* Alas, this is Hollywood. A let's put our stamp on it / we can do it better.
Another director wanting to makes changes to the Predator character. I think we know what to expect from the face.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jun 08, 2022, 03:22:47 PMAnother director wanting to makes changes to the Predator character. I think we know what to expect from the face.
Yep. And if ADI handles the execution, I'm fearing the worst.
You want to make your Predator unique? You have a whole palette of colors, a whole smorgasbord of new weapon and wild bio-masks designs you can implement. Sheesh! Just look at the Alpha!
(https://i.ibb.co/hKxMf6B/hex-hoppers-studios-predatoralpha-pose-2.jpg)
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Instead.... we're getting a different breed. Weeeee! :-
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jun 08, 2022, 03:22:47 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 03:09:29 PM- DAN: "For the look of the creature, I really wanted to get out of the bodybuilder/wrestler thing. The first thing to go was the mesh netting that he, or it, has worn previously. I wanted to have this thing feel much more creature-like and way more visceral."
....
When did Predator look like a bodybuilder or wrestler? Yes, he frustratingly did later years (unfortunately) in the AVPs and The Predator but he sure didn't in the Stan Winston / Kevin Peter Hall days.
And the netting. The Thomas Brothers originally designed that netting to be instrumental on how the camouflage worked, through a netted bodysuit. It's conception wasn't for aesthetics sake.
....
- DAN: "But I think this guy's perhaps from a different hemisphere of the planet and a little bit of a different breed. So even his look is a little new, it's familiar."
....
Visually to me, in the AvPs and The Predator, we already received a different breed outside Predator and Predator 2 (and the crucified/classic in Predators). Now what are we going to get?
*Sigh* Alas, this is Hollywood. A let's put our stamp on it / we can do it better.
Another director wanting to makes changes to the Predator character. I think we know what to expect from the face.
at least this director isn't making the predator hunt for autism
(Quinn McKenna : [when the Predator abducts Rory] No No! He said he wanted me. He said he wanted me!
Casey Bracket : No. He said he wanted McKenna. The next step in the evolutionary chain. Not you. Your son.)
PUKES !!!!!!!!!!!
The body builder comment is odd to me because this one looks absolutely MASSIVE in the chest and shoulders during that silhouette forest shot, but maybe that's his armor or something? That shot gave me way more AVP vibes than anything from the originals. Although, Dan may also be referencing the muscle definition and stuff that we typically associate with predators, too. For example the way Berserker and the other ones in 2010 looked more reptilian, I don't think they had super defined abs and biceps and whatnot. Maybe he's simply commenting on that.
About a "new" face design, it's not what I wanted but I'm not 100% against it either. And maybe it will really let ADI shine. I'd kind of rather see ADI kill it with a new design than to continue making 90% correct but not quite there renditions of the original style over and over. I'm so tired of the way their lower mandibles always sit vertically in front of the jaw instead of closing together, in that respect they always looked like different types to me.
Maybe Dan is referring more to AVP and the upgrade from The Predator, who knows.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Jun 08, 2022, 03:22:47 PMAnother director wanting to makes changes to the Predator character. I think we know what to expect from the face.
Yep. And if ADI handles the execution, I'm fearing the worst.
You want to make your Predator unique? You have a whole palette of colors, a whole smorgasbord of new weapon and wild bio-masks designs you can implement. Sheesh! Just look at the Alpha!
https://i.ibb.co/hKxMf6B/hex-hoppers-studios-predatoralpha-pose-2.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/B4yfrMg/Alpha-Predator.png
Instead.... we're getting a different breed. Weeeee! :-
I mean... Alpha kinda looks like a different breed himself. Like Feral, he's got much thinner dreads than we've ever seen. Also a pretty different head structure.
I don't think the movie will make a point of it being a different breed like the last two did. I think Trachtenberg is just giving speculation or justification for why they went with a different design. Also the single frame face shot in the dark everyone has been drawing conclusions from is what seems to be a CGI model of the Predator leaping. Whatever ADI did or didn't do with the design here, the director signed off on and approved of it.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 08, 2022, 05:22:18 PMI mean... Alpha kinda looks like a different breed himself. Like Feral, he's got much thinner dreads than we've ever seen. Also a pretty different head structure.
True, yet, although technically able, I don't believe we've considered or referred to City Hunter, Scar, Wolf, Fugitive, etc. as "different breeds", so we shall see.
QuoteWhatever ADI did or didn't do with the design here, the director signed off on and approved of it.
My problems with ADI has always been execution, problems that occur in their realization of the approved maquette that do not exist on said maquette.
But alas, it's too early to tell any of this. I'm just losing hope I'll see another Stan Winston-style Predator in my lifetime. I got an exceptional one in Predator and Predator 2, and a not-as-well-crafted KNB one in Predators (but I'm still grateful for it nevertheless).
2 New images of the predator from screenshots from the new Facebook page video.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 05:30:43 PMMy problems with ADI has always been execution, problems that occur in their realization of the approved maquette that do not exist on said maquette.
From what we've seen in BTS, directors (and producers, unfortunately) do visit the creature shops beyond the maquette phase to make input and suggest changes, as we saw with the Predalien sculpt rework in AVPR. In any case, their bid and body of previous work which I assume Trachtenberg was familiar with won him over. Directors just might not take issue with the same things that fans do. Everyone blamed ADI for bulky Preds but that was exactly what Paul W. S. Anderson asked for.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 05:30:43 PMBut alas, it's too early to tell any of this. I'm just losing hope I'll see another Stan Winston-style Predator in my lifetime.
Indeed. I'd also love to see a more classic Winston looking design return myself, and I'm cautious here too, though quite intrigued with what I've seen so far.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2022, 05:41:30 PM2 New images of the predator from screenshots from the new Facebook page video.
First image, silhouette still screams Berserker to me
Second image, a red/orange cloaking effect... Hmmm
I hope all this 'putting their own stamp on it' stuff doesn't go a bit too far in the wrong direction
Quote from: Doomofman on Jun 08, 2022, 05:59:45 PMQuote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2022, 05:41:30 PM2 New images of the predator from screenshots from the new Facebook page video.
First image, silhouette still screams Berserker to me
Second image, a red/orange cloaking effect... Hmmm
I hope all this 'putting their own stamp on it' stuff doesn't go a bit too far in the wrong direction
We are back to 2 normal wrist blades instead of 1 super long one.
Maybe the cloak is an older version since it is 300 years in the past? Hence the red electricity instead of blue.
I feel those concerns for a 'new breed' design as well. I never really warmed up to the super predators in Predators for that matter.
It does baffle me how every movie that follows after P2 overlooks the creative designs of each Predator in that movie and how they could just play up on changes like those...
Hopefully they surprise us with something that looks cool on film - everything else in this movie looks pretty well crafted anyways. The jury is still out on the face though.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 08, 2022, 05:57:47 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 05:30:43 PMMy problems with ADI has always been execution, problems that occur in their realization of the approved maquette that do not exist on said maquette.
From what we've seen in BTS, directors (and producers, unfortunately) do visit the creature shops beyond the maquette phase to make input and suggest changes, as we saw with the Predalien sculpt rework in AVPR. In any case, their bid and body of previous work which I assume Trachtenberg was familiar with won him over. Directors just might not take issue with the same things that fans do. Everyone blamed ADI for bulky Preds but that was exactly what Paul W. S. Anderson asked for.
What I mean and always mean is the directors do not ask for mandibles bending in odd unnatural directions simultaneously nor direct ADI to implement excess skin flaps in unnatural twists and rolls in strange ways... nor is it on the maquette. This comes in execution, something you have conceded that ADI struggles with a bit in Predator execution once to me during vid game playing, remember? :) And most directors don't have clout to shut down production these days over costume issues like that. When they get it on set the day they need it, they have to roll with what they have.
QuoteQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 05:30:43 PMBut alas, it's too early to tell any of this. I'm just losing hope I'll see another Stan Winston-style Predator in my lifetime.
Indeed. I'd also love to see a more classic Winston looking design return myself, and I'm cautious here too, though quite intrigued with what I've seen so far.
Everything moves quick but I think I'm loving the bio-masked Predator so far as well as him seemingly jumping from tree to tree. Definitely encouraged about that!
Quote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2022, 06:11:34 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jun 08, 2022, 05:59:45 PMQuote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2022, 05:41:30 PM2 New images of the predator from screenshots from the new Facebook page video.
First image, silhouette still screams Berserker to me
Second image, a red/orange cloaking effect... Hmmm
I hope all this 'putting their own stamp on it' stuff doesn't go a bit too far in the wrong direction
We are back to 2 normal wrist blades instead of 1 super long one.
Maybe the cloak is an older version since it is 300 years in the past? Hence the red electricity instead of blue.
Hmm. We generally consider a Predators lifespan to last more than 300 years, but maybe we can fansplain it.
But camouflage technology that no longer needs netting, not so much.
Quote from: Doomofman on Jun 08, 2022, 05:59:45 PMQuote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2022, 05:41:30 PM2 New images of the predator from screenshots from the new Facebook page video.
First image, silhouette still screams Berserker to me
Second image, a red/orange cloaking effect... Hmmm
I hope all this 'putting their own stamp on it' stuff doesn't go a bit too far in the wrong direction
This almost feeks like the Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street reboot....
Imagine if Prey is
NOT in Predator continuity, is in fact an intended reboot, and starts a new series of Prey movies with a different, redesigned looking Predator.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:18:46 PMBut camouflage technology that no longer needs netting, not so much.
To be fair that was just a development idea, and never established on screen. We've seen them cloak before without netting in two movies, as well as the comics and games.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:22:04 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jun 08, 2022, 05:59:45 PMQuote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2022, 05:41:30 PM2 New images of the predator from screenshots from the new Facebook page video.
First image, silhouette still screams Berserker to me
Second image, a red/orange cloaking effect... Hmmm
I hope all this 'putting their own stamp on it' stuff doesn't go a bit too far in the wrong direction
This almost feeks like the Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street reboot....
Imagine if Prey is NOT in Predator continuity, is in fact an intended reboot, and starts a new series of Prey movies with a different, redesigned looking Predator.
That's an interesting thought actually, maybe that could be something cool though at the same time, I really don't think they need a redesign
TBH, I'm starting to doubt whether the pred in this movie has eyes at all as weird as that sounds, just the geometry of that one face glimpse we have doesn't look right to me
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:18:46 PMBut camouflage technology that no longer needs netting, not so much.
Wait, what ? Since when that was a thing ?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:22:04 PMThis almost feeks like the Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street reboot....
Imagine if Prey is NOT in Predator continuity, is in fact an intended reboot, and starts a new series of Prey movies with a different, redesigned looking Predator.
And the sequel will undoubtedly be called "Prey 2: The Heavens". :P
Quote from: Kailem on Jun 08, 2022, 07:32:45 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:22:04 PMThis almost feeks like the Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street reboot....
Imagine if Prey is NOT in Predator continuity, is in fact an intended reboot, and starts a new series of Prey movies with a different, redesigned looking Predator.
And the sequel will undoubtedly be called "Prey 2: The Heavens". :P
:laugh:
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From what little we could see it reminds me of the super Predator face. But without a full view I don't know.
It looks like the skull is mounted on at least the top of a helmet. The shot where the Predator grabs the hatchet looks like a bit of it is present. The helmets commonly have lenses but probably don't require them assuming there's a sensor.
Also if it is a full on reboot.., good. That's certainly one way to end the canon debate and start over fresh. Gets everyone on the same page and if you wanna use Dutch again it's just adding an existing film into the lineup kind of like Godzilla timelines.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2022, 07:32:28 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:18:46 PMBut camouflage technology that no longer needs netting, not so much.
Wait, what ? Since when that was a thing ?
Original Thomas Brothers script. To be fair, it's never been explained on screen.
And it was dropped in future movies I guess because (fansplaining alert) technology improved. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:15:43 PMWhat I mean and always mean is the directors do not ask for mandibles bending in odd unnatural directions simultaneously nor direct ADI to implement excess skin flaps in unnatural twists and rolls in strange ways... nor is it on the maquette. This comes in execution, something you have conceded that ADI struggles with a bit in Predator execution once to me during vid game playing, remember? :) And most directors don't have clout to shut down production these days over costume issues like that. When they get it on set the day they need it, they have to roll with what they have.
You make them sound like some sort of super-villain organisation. I can see mental image of a poor director pulling hair out of his head while ADI is al like "Mwahahaha, we did it again!", standing in the background, half-covered in shadows
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2022, 07:39:06 PMYou make them sound like some sort of super-villain organisation. I can see mental image of a poor director pulling hair out of his head while ADI is al like "Mwahahaha !", standing in the background, half-covered in shadows
Ooooookay...
Remember, if you listened to our Alien3 podcast I had only good things to say about ADI, so now you have to like me just a tiny bit more! ;D
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Nah, I'm sure it's just a play on your part. You hate their Aliens too. You hate everything they make, in fact, even sandwiches !
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2022, 07:45:31 PMNah, I'm sure it's just a play on your part. You hate their Aliens too. You hate everything they make, in fact, even sandwiches !
Ahem. Are we forgetting my fondness for ADI's Predalien?
And what? ADI makes sandwiches?! Does the ham flop out of the sides of the bread? ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:22:04 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jun 08, 2022, 05:59:45 PMQuote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2022, 05:41:30 PM2 New images of the predator from screenshots from the new Facebook page video.
First image, silhouette still screams Berserker to me
Second image, a red/orange cloaking effect... Hmmm
I hope all this 'putting their own stamp on it' stuff doesn't go a bit too far in the wrong direction
This almost feeks like the Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street reboot....
Imagine if Prey is NOT in Predator continuity, is in fact an intended reboot, and starts a new series of Prey movies with a different, redesigned looking Predator.
Please don't say that - I was just getting excited about this film. 😅
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 07:52:52 PMQuote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2022, 07:45:31 PMNah, I'm sure it's just a play on your part. You hate their Aliens too. You hate everything they make, in fact, even sandwiches !
Ahem. Are we forgetting my fondness for ADI's Predalien?
And what? ADI makes sandwiches?! Does the ham flop out of the sides of the bread? ;D
Coffee is terrible too - never tastes quite the way you want it to
QuoteWhat I mean and always mean is the directors do not ask for mandibles bending in odd unnatural directions simultaneously nor direct ADI to implement excess skin flaps in unnatural twists and rolls in strange ways...
They could ask for the mandibles to be in a specific configuration and move a certain way if they wanted - like they can direct any other performance. They don't ask for skin flaps, but they do ask for over extending the mandibles - which means excess material to accommodate the full range of motion. Silicone and latex can only stretch so much.
ADI delivers a character that can do the performance that's asked of them.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2022, 08:15:38 PMQuoteWhat I mean and always mean is the directors do not ask for mandibles bending in odd unnatural directions simultaneously nor direct ADI to implement excess skin flaps in unnatural twists and rolls in strange ways...
They could ask for the mandibles to be in a specific configuration and move a certain way if they wanted - like they can direct any other performance. They don't ask for skin flaps, but they do ask for over extending the mandibles - which means excess material to accommodate the full range of motion. Silicone and latex can only stretch so much.
My emoji;
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My response:
So you're saying this was all on the director and unavoidable by ADI. Anderson blame: 100% / ADI blame: 0%
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I get the people who have have personal relationships with ADI, but after three movies, it seems some just bend over backwards to lay absolutely zero blame at their feet and 100% at the directors. I read Stan Winston's book and he acknowledges plenty of their FX mistakes and details them - just the film Congo alone - but to some here it seems like ADI makes no errors apparently, even when it's visibly and logically undeniable to many with their Predators. It's just as nonsensical as laying 100% of the blame always on ADI's feet and 0% on the director. It's always such a bizarre world in these forums for me.
I'm sorry, but aren't you doing that exact thing but in reverse ?
Is ADI responsible for the predator suit?
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 08, 2022, 09:51:32 PMI'm sorry, but aren't you doing that exact thing but in reverse ?
Nope! And after three films and four different directors, I can comfortably lay a big chunk of the blame at their feet. Which means.... (dramatic pause) they've been part of the problem.
Quote from: Darkseed on Jun 08, 2022, 09:54:53 PMIs ADI responsible for the predator suit?
Probably, but it could be Steve Wang's Oynx Forge.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 09:21:41 PMQuote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2022, 08:15:38 PMQuoteWhat I mean and always mean is the directors do not ask for mandibles bending in odd unnatural directions simultaneously nor direct ADI to implement excess skin flaps in unnatural twists and rolls in strange ways...
They could ask for the mandibles to be in a specific configuration and move a certain way if they wanted - like they can direct any other performance. They don't ask for skin flaps, but they do ask for over extending the mandibles - which means excess material to accommodate the full range of motion. Silicone and latex can only stretch so much.
My emoji;
https://i.ibb.co/LvswsVp/IMG-20190916-160417.jpg
My response:
So you're saying this was all on the director and unavoidable by ADI. Anderson blame: 100% / ADI blame: 0%
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I get the people who have have personal relationships with ADI, but after three movies, it seems some just bend over backwards to lay absolutely zero blame at their feet and 100% at the directors. I read Stan Winston's book and he acknowledges plenty of their FX mistakes and details them - just the film Congo alone - but to some here it seems like ADI makes no errors apparently, even when it's visibly and logically undeniable to many with their Predators. It's just as nonsensical as laying 100% of the blame always on ADI's feet and 0% on the director. It's always such a bizarre world in these forums for me.
I mean, rarely do you ever say it is any of the directors fault most times. The blame is mostly thrown at ADI. And if you do say it is director, or even producer choices, I can't recall it.
We hear your frustrations and complaints, many of us share those, even while being friends with the ADI guys. But often we've heard that some of these issues are caused by a directors ask; like the mandibles in AvP being wider thanks to Anderson wanting them to go bigger, being one example.
We also never seem to talk about the time they don't have to work on the films. Often they have to scramble because they've been given little time, or are asked to completely redesign last minute like the Predalien because of some comment a producers kid made. The time factor is a huge part of the situation and it rarely feels acknowledged when you or some others are speaking about ADI. It's a nightmare having to change work that was good until someone unrelated comes around and changes the situation.
Personally, I hate the look of the unmasked Predators in PREDATORS, but I understand a lot of that is due to things like lack of time or budget, which is why Crucified's mouth and jaw just stick hung open. But I still would have faith in them as creature designers and wouldn't make it almost my own life mission, or base my personality around it, to call out their work at any chance I get.
I get that it usually is only involving the Predator and it's face when it comes to the criticisms, but it almost seems like a lot of people hear the name ADI and immediately lose their faith. I feel that if you have to point out that you've praised them in the past, it means that people might be used to hearing the complaints over the praise.
Having worked with Mike Dougherty, I'd talked to him about his favorite sfx companies he's worked with. ADI was his first and most talked about, he also almost had them on Krampus but they lost the bid. He said he's always got them as a first choice. ADI is highly respected and loved in the industry. They are absolutely not above critique, and I don't love all of their Predator work myself. But let's maybe wait and see before we get our panties in a bunch? While I want Stan designs too, he's gone, and his art along with it. I understand that. But what happens if ADI makes something different with the Predator, and it's f**king amazing? Will the tune change?
Not trying to be a huge defender here, just maybe giving a different perspective on how to view the films and their designs. Context helps me view the final product sometimes, but not always.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 09:21:41 PMMy response:
So you're saying this was all on the director and unavoidable by ADI. Anderson blame: 100% / ADI blame: 0%
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This is exactly what the director asked for - a more "handsome" Predator with less grotesque features and mandibles that could open really wide.
ADI nailed the brief.
I'm sure they don't like the excess skin either, but unless you've got a material that will give them the range of performance they need to do what the director wants, that's the payoff. Director wants stupid wide mandible roars, you need material to cover. And when that same material isn't being stretched, it has to go somewhere.
And if ADI says no, the production finds someone else who'll do it.
Same with Wolf's bobble head. The directors wanted a fully animatronic face, eyes included. Great, now you need to fit those mechanisms over an actor's head, while also asking them to make the body more streamlined. Bobble head.
They're not above critique by any stretch. But some critiques are ignorant and misguided.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2022, 11:12:37 PMI'm sure they don't like the excess skin either, but unless you've got a material that will give them the range of performance they need to do what the director wants, that's the payoff. Director wants stupid wide mandible roars, you need material to cover. And when that same material isn't being stretched, it has to go somewhere.
I mean, using more than one head prop/mask for different shots would fix 95% of this, in a scenario where time and budget allow.
I actually don't hate that drawing of the predator. It's different yet familiar. If it's something like that, I don't think I'll mind so much. Like so many of You I hope the Feral predator's mandibles will articulate better. Perhaps they've improved since the last attempt? To be fair my least favorite predator face design was AVP(scar). The mandibles moved all over the place and it simply wasn't threatening.
I also, don't mind the removal of the netting. Predators did that and it worked. I'll make my final judgment when I see it.
Recalled from a recent interview with Trachtenberg that this predator in from the past and possibly from a different hemisphere of the planet they originate on. I think that is reason enough to switch it up. It comes down to execution. An amazing paint job can make a crap sculpt look good. A cleverly rendered sculpture will look good in all types of lighting.
Hardcore pred fans might be split but dammit I am so glad this is still a living, breathing film series. Could have died out so man y times with missteps of past directors. And yet it still keeps white knuckling it and hanging on. I am glad to see the creative license because it keeps this from stagnating. The lack of netting is honestly a welcome thing, not because I am opposed or supportive of it but because I get sick of repainting those damn things on the numerous custom figures I will inevitably be suckered into purchasing after this release.
No shame in my game lol.
"Hang on to your youthful enthusiasms – you'll be able to use them better when you're older." - Seneca
Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2022, 07:08:47 AMThe more I stare at this pic, the more I think predator has no facemask other then this skull. I made a crude outline of mandibles and eye sockets of the creature:
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Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2022, 07:08:47 AMThe more I stare at this pic, the more I think predator has no facemask other then this skull. I made a crude outline of mandibles and eye sockets of the creature:
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Lol! What a wonderful thing that we don't live in the universe where that design made it to the final film! Would have ruined my childhood. Plus would have been JVC in a suit and the monster would have always been associated with him. Instead we got this incredible template of iconic maasai lion hunting badassery paired with otherworldly mystery.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 08, 2022, 11:32:11 PMI mean, using more than one head prop/mask for different shots would fix 95% of this, in a scenario where time and budget allow.
And this is exactly how ADI would do it if they were allowed. It's not even just a time and budget thing, either, it's client expectations. They've been very vocal about the fact that one of the problems with modern practical effects is producers wanting one effect that can do multiple things -- then complaining when it doesn't look good.
Winston himself had this issue throughout his career. Compare his work when his creations can be broken down into individual gags vs when the budget doesn't allow. There's always a noticeable bump in quality.
But nah that's also ADI's fault or something, I don't know.
Quote from: Mikey on Jun 08, 2022, 10:40:55 PMI mean, rarely do you ever say it is any of the directors fault most times. The blame is mostly thrown at ADI. And if you do say it is director, or even producer choices, I can't recall it.
To be fair, perhaps you can't recall it because you haven't been as active maybe? Meaning, if we compare activity, I have 3x the posts of you in only 1/4 the time.
And there's a flipside to that coin. Rarely does - a few select people here - say any of it is ADI's fault, and are staunch defenders after three bodies of work and four directors visions pointing fingers every which way. After three films, it's fair when you see problems carried over from film to film to recognize a common denominator. (If we had three mediocre Predator films by the same writer where problems would reoccur, I'd be questioning the writer being right for the job right now). I already have major concerns with Mr. Davis.
But, I have acknowledged directors influences in these threads. But it's also fair that every director in every Predator film has influenced the work as well. Budget, time, factors in too. But none of that fully erases culpability or the ability to manage such difficulties an FX house faces to overcome such obstacles with levels of ingenuity, starting with the limited time and budget Stan Winston had to create the first Predator.
QuoteWe hear your frustrations and complaints, many of us share those, even while being friends with the ADI guys.
Who's we?
QuoteBut often we've heard that some of these issues are caused by a directors ask; like the mandibles in AvP being wider thanks to Anderson wanting them to go bigger, being one example.
We also never seem to talk about the time they don't have to work on the films. Often they have to scramble because they've been given little time, or are asked to completely redesign last minute like the Predalien because of some comment a producers kid made. The time factor is a huge part of the situation and it rarely feels acknowledged when you or some others are speaking about ADI. It's a nightmare having to change work that was good until someone unrelated comes around and changes the situation.
Personally, I hate the look of the unmasked Predators in PREDATORS, but I understand a lot of that is due to things like lack of time or budget, which is why Crucified's mouth and jaw just stick hung open. But I still would have faith in them as creature designers and wouldn't make it almost my own life mission, or base my personality around it, to call out their work at any chance I get.
I get that it usually is only involving the Predator and it's face when it comes to the criticisms, but it almost seems like a lot of people hear the name ADI and immediately lose their faith. I feel that if you have to point out that you've praised them in the past, it means that people might be used to hearing the complaints over the praise.
Having worked with Mike Dougherty, I'd talked to him about his favorite sfx companies he's worked with. ADI was his first and most talked about, he also almost had them on Krampus but they lost the bid. He said he's always got them as a first choice. ADI is highly respected and loved in the industry. They are absolutely not above critique, and I don't love all of their Predator work myself. But let's maybe wait and see before we get our panties in a bunch? While I want Stan designs too, he's gone, and his art along with it. I understand that. But what happens if ADI makes something different with the Predator, and it's f**king amazing? Will the tune change?
Not trying to be a huge defender here, just maybe giving a different perspective on how to view the films and their designs. Context helps me view the final product sometimes, but not always.
"But let's maybe wait and see before we get our panties in a bunch?"
"But I still would have faith in them as creature designers and wouldn't make it almost my own life mission, or base my personality around it, to call out their work at any chance I get."Yeah, I thought I was getting into a nice discussion about this, but to see it's littered with pretentious passive aggressiveness, you lose all respect with me brother. It's the same delivery method you guys gave me when I broke the news that Prey (Skulls) would be a streaming release on Hulu. Not going to play into it no more.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2022, 11:12:37 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 09:21:41 PMMy response:
So you're saying this was all on the director and unavoidable by ADI. Anderson blame: 100% / ADI blame: 0%
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This is exactly what the director asked for - a more "handsome" Predator with less grotesque features and mandibles that could open really wide.
ADI nailed the brief.
I'm sure they don't like the excess skin either, but unless you've got a material that will give them the range of performance they need to do what the director wants, that's the payoff. Director wants stupid wide mandible roars, you need material to cover. And when that same material isn't being stretched, it has to go somewhere.
And if ADI says no, the production finds someone else who'll do it.
Same with Wolf's bobble head. The directors wanted a fully animatronic face, eyes included. Great, now you need to fit those mechanisms over an actor's head, while also asking them to make the body more streamlined. Bobble head.
They're not above critique by any stretch. But some critiques are ignorant and misguided.
I'll avoid the word "ignorant" but I believe this premise is misguided, and suggests the outcome is preordained regardless what minds or what ingenuity is currently doing your FX work. It's a simplistic assumption. It suggests all the flaws would have occurred regardless, even if Stan Winston or Weta was handling the fx versus ADI under the same conditions. We would have received exactly the same result. It's too ill-considered for me to treat seriously after three films.
siiiiiiigh
Every f**king time ...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 09, 2022, 02:20:40 PMQuote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2022, 11:12:37 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 09:21:41 PMMy response:
So you're saying this was all on the director and unavoidable by ADI. Anderson blame: 100% / ADI blame: 0%
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This is exactly what the director asked for - a more "handsome" Predator with less grotesque features and mandibles that could open really wide.
ADI nailed the brief.
I'm sure they don't like the excess skin either, but unless you've got a material that will give them the range of performance they need to do what the director wants, that's the payoff. Director wants stupid wide mandible roars, you need material to cover. And when that same material isn't being stretched, it has to go somewhere.
And if ADI says no, the production finds someone else who'll do it.
Same with Wolf's bobble head. The directors wanted a fully animatronic face, eyes included. Great, now you need to fit those mechanisms over an actor's head, while also asking them to make the body more streamlined. Bobble head.
They're not above critique by any stretch. But some critiques are ignorant and misguided.
I'll avoid the word "ignorant" but I believe this premise is misguided, and suggests the outcome is preordained regardless what minds or what ingenuity is currently doing your FX work. It's a simplistic assumption. It suggests all the flaws would have occurred regardless, even if Stan Winston or Weta was handling the fx versus ADI under the same conditions. We would have received exactly the same result. It's too ill-considered for me to treat seriously after three films.
I know nothing much of how the production pipeline is done, but the only reason why I can see someone like Stan Winston Studios being able to refuse or make changes on the contrary of the director's vision is that they are the gods of practical effects, arguing against them is like fighting a hurricane, they are masters of the craft and they know what they are doing. I can't fathom any director that can go against the genius that made the Jurassic Park, Alien, Predator, Terminator series become what they are today. When they have a reputation like that, can a producer or director argue against them? I can say for certain I honestly don't know how this works.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 09, 2022, 03:14:53 PMsiiiiiiigh
Every f**king time ...
It's always interesting to see what new and exciting paths the Sil and Voodoo debates take :laugh:
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 09, 2022, 03:34:14 PMQuote from: Kradan on Jun 09, 2022, 03:14:53 PMsiiiiiiigh
Every f**king time ...
It's always interesting to see what new and exciting paths the Sil and Voodoo debates take :laugh:
LOL. Many fruitful years of this: ;D
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Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jun 09, 2022, 03:21:50 PMI know nothing much of how the production pipeline is done, but the only reason why I can see someone like Stan Winston Studios being able to refuse or make changes on the contrary of the director's vision is that they are the gods of practical effects, arguing against them is like fighting a hurricane, they are masters of the craft and they know what they are doing. I can't fathom any director that can go against the genius that made the Jurassic Park, Alien, Predator, Terminator series become what they are today. When they have a reputation like that, can a producer or director argue against them? I can say for certain I honestly don't know how this works.
Well, Stan did have a strong function over form aka form follows function philosophy.
I am not watching the trailer but I am getting the impression this predator will have some cat like features. Feral Cat. This being on Disney + is huge
Quote from: Enjoy on Jun 09, 2022, 04:19:23 PMI am not watching the trailer but I am getting the impression this predator will have some cat like features. Feral Cat. This being on Disney + is huge
It's going to stream on Hulu...
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 09, 2022, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: Enjoy on Jun 09, 2022, 04:19:23 PMI am not watching the trailer but I am getting the impression this predator will have some cat like features. Feral Cat. This being on Disney + is huge
It's going to stream on Hulu...
Disney+ in territories that don't have Hulu.
To be honets, I'm sad they dropped netting and dreadlock rings. I feel like with every entry we loose something from the design. I think the pick of simplification was The Predator.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 09, 2022, 02:09:48 PMTo be fair, perhaps you can't recall it because you haven't been as active maybe? Meaning, if we compare activity, I have 3x the posts of you in only 1/4 the time.
And there's a flipside to that coin. Rarely does - a few select people here - say any of it is ADI's fault, and are staunch defenders after three bodies of work and four directors visions pointing fingers every which way. After three films, it's fair when you see problems carried over from film to film to recognize a common denominator. (If we had three mediocre Predator films by the same writer where problems would reoccur, I'd be questioning the writer being right for the job right now). I already have major concerns with Mr. Davis.
Have you factored in the possibility that I do check this site daily, but don't post? I have checked the boards and site daily for nearly the last 15 years. I've been more active in the last week than I have been in years because this is the first movie that has me hype since Prometheus. I am being completley honest here, I haven't been super hyped on the franchise or these boards because of the same song is being sung over and over again. I don't post because I am tired of seeing the same conversations over and over again and feel there's rarely ever anything to contribute. I love this place, and it's been a part of my life for over half of it, but often times, I don't want to be here because of how negative it has become.
I see what you and others say, which are rarely praises, and most of it sounds like children throwing nerdfits online. Not at all saying these critiques cannot be made, but there is a method to doing it, and a lot of the time it just turns into shitting on ADI in here. It often feels like people try to find something, anything to be mad at them about. And seeing the constant shit storm these last years, and more lately doesn't make this place very inviting. I can only imagine being someone who works on these films reading the messages posted here sometimes.
Again, there is a method to feedback and a lot of the time, not all, is really poorly done here most times. And like I said, it's just tired reading the same arguments who don't always have a clear view of the big picture, making themselves sound like the ignorant ones.
It often feels like people will have the entire experience of the movie ruined for them because they know ADI is working on the movie.
Comparing posts count - wasn't it me who was doing that sort of shit during the last big ADI Preds' hustle ? I mean, Voodoo, c'mon
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 08, 2022, 09:21:41 PMQuote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2022, 08:15:38 PMQuoteWhat I mean and always mean is the directors do not ask for mandibles bending in odd unnatural directions simultaneously nor direct ADI to implement excess skin flaps in unnatural twists and rolls in strange ways...
They could ask for the mandibles to be in a specific configuration and move a certain way if they wanted - like they can direct any other performance. They don't ask for skin flaps, but they do ask for over extending the mandibles - which means excess material to accommodate the full range of motion. Silicone and latex can only stretch so much.
My emoji;
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My response:
So you're saying this was all on the director and unavoidable by ADI. Anderson blame: 100% / ADI blame: 0%
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I get the people who have have personal relationships with ADI, but after three movies, it seems some just bend over backwards to lay absolutely zero blame at their feet and 100% at the directors. I read Stan Winston's book and he acknowledges plenty of their FX mistakes and details them - just the film Congo alone - but to some here it seems like ADI makes no errors apparently, even when it's visibly and logically undeniable to many with their Predators. It's just as nonsensical as laying 100% of the blame always on ADI's feet and 0% on the director. It's always such a bizarre world in these forums for me.
I dont know who is responsible for the avp designs or how much was Adi. Tbe only problem I had eotb the avp predators was their bulky armour and wrestler shaped bodies and the flappy mandible lips. The armour and body is a design preference by the director so o dknt blam adi for that but the flappy flaps could have been avoided by using a strechior materiel or have some kinds of mettel wire along the edge, other than that adi did a good jop worth the effects. People never bring up how stan Winston's original predator's have a very noticable eyehole seam that takes youyþut of the moment when you noticed it.
During an interview with the one guy from adi they asked him about the preds mouth and he said they are aware of how it looks but perfer it.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic link=msg=2566650 date=It's a simplistic assumption. It suggests all the flaws would have occurred regardless, even if Stan Winston or Weta was handling the fx versus ADI under the same conditions. We would have received exactly the same result. It's too ill-considered for me to treat seriously after three films.
Unless Stan Winston or Weta has access to a super stretchy material that would retain its shape (they don't; even the City Hunter's mandible skin got stretched out in places) you'd still have the floppy mandible skin. The mandible position is clearly something ADI like doing, but their maquettes and mechanisms are capable of correct positioning - putting it on the director to specify what they want.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jun 09, 2022, 03:21:50 PMI know nothing much of how the production pipeline is done, but the only reason why I can see someone like Stan Winston Studios being able to refuse or make changes on the contrary of the director's vision is that they are the gods of practical effects, arguing against them is like fighting a hurricane, they are masters of the craft and they know what they are doing. I can't fathom any director that can go against the genius that made the Jurassic Park, Alien, Predator, Terminator series become what they are today. When they have a reputation like that, can a producer or director argue against them? I can say for certain I honestly don't know how this works.
For most of Stan's career, you did it practically or you didn't do it. Practical effects artists had better power to argue for things because there was no alternative. Today producers have the option to go with CGI that they can micromanage in post production for less money, so practical effects have to compromise to get paid.
And Stan Winston was repeatedly told no throughout his career, or given briefs and jobs that didn't allow him and his team to do their best work.
I'm just hoping this turns out to be elder predator from predator 2 in the end and we se how he got the 1715 gun.
It'll probably be better if they don't do that
From what we know so far it isn't.
Unless the Greyback shows up as an additional Predator, which is still entirely possible.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 09, 2022, 09:43:59 PMFrom what we know so far it isn't.
Unless the Greyback shows up as an additional Predator, which is still entirely possible.
Is it possible that "additional Predator" might just mean additional stunt work?
The more I see, the less I'm expecting to see Greyback show up. It wouldn't make much sense to me to have him show up for a quick cameo like he does at the end of P2. It could easily be forced if they go that way. If he's more integral to the plot, I'd be all for it. I just don't want him to be tossed in to be a connection, it would feel like a wasted opportunity only used to pull at nostalgia strings.
Unless there are more Predators we haven't seen that are in the entire movie, that could change the situation, but I don't think that's the case. I'd prefer he not show up if so.
Greyback could still be in the movie via a cameo. We know Greyback has a crew but we don't know everyone as there's probably more we didn't see and even more over the centuries. Greyback might've hung out during this. He might not be lead but he may be involved.
I can see a scenario where Feral even turns out to get the pistol only for Greyback to get it later. Either by killing Feral for it, or since Predator tend to die in the film's they're introduced is passed onto Greyback as a status symbol. So at the end with Naru becoming a hunter you have Greyback taking command of the Lost tribe with the pistol being a symbol of his command.
Yeah, I'm wondering if it's possible to fit Greyback into the film now. And I had been very certain before. I was going to say I'm expecting this to have been lower budget so we might not have any many Predators, but even AvP and Predators had multiple Predators so I think that's a non-concern.
Perhaps they're just keeping it pretty tight-lipped. They've managed really well with the film so far. Would be pretty exciting if they actually kept any other Predators a secret in the marketing!
i mean why not all Greyback ever was
well is a cameo so it can still work
It was only ever going to be a cameo at most. Anyone who was/is expecting him to play some major part in the story is only setting themselves up for disappointment.
I still think it's possible we might see him, but again, I think he might simply be shown to be off hunting a different group of people/animals elsewhere and not having much of anything to do with the main story.
If he's barely in it, I don't want to see him take the pistol. I think that'd be anticlimactic.
I just don't see how they could possibly have him in it "a lot", especially now that it's clear the main Predator isn't him (not that I ever expected him to be).
It was only ever going to be an "ah-ha, I know who that is!" post-credits easter egg-type thing rather than an integral part of the story.
That's exactly why I don't see the point. A quick wink-wink moment with the audience, a la marvel. No thanks.
Could this new predator be a bad blood and Greyback comes to take him out? Maybe Greyback comes towards the end of the movie and kills the new pred while he was trying to kill the girl?
Unless Greyback already has the pistol? I wouldn't mind a quick cameo where that's the case. I just wouldn't want that moment to be a quick cameo.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 09, 2022, 06:38:33 PMComparing posts count - wasn't it me who was doing that sort of shit during the last big ADI Preds' hustle ? I mean, Voodoo, c'mon
*sigh*
No Kradan. Completely different.
My situation: In regards to me saying I have put some blame on Anderson & others before for poor design choices, not just on ADI (like when I've critized Anderson time and time again for making his Predators look like American Football Players) , someone uninformed suggested they can't recall me doing that. My reply was maybe they can't recall it because they have been engaged with the forums three times as less, which could be a valid explanation.
Your situation: You started to dig for all these different posts I made at different times, collect them, quote them, in what seemed to be an attempt to embarrass me, in a Predator FX Complaint thread / topic / video that I didn't even create. Hicks even had to warn you. (You can click on the quote below for a refresher)
But of course, your post saying I did the same thing as you, got likes from the usual suspects, not that you know, you were accurate, and not that they recall me doing so, but solely because of...
Go Team!Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 24, 2021, 06:44:59 PMQuote from: Kradan on Feb 24, 2021, 06:04:37 PMQuote from: Omegamorph on Feb 24, 2021, 12:11:27 PMI'm not mad or pissed mind you, just tired of these arguments being recycled over and over and over again
Voodoo, remember how annoyed you got when I was posting this GIF ?
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in response to your rants about Crabators ? And I've done it maybe half a dozen of times.
Well, now I kinda feel the same about every time you rant about Crabators. It's not so much about the criticism itself (which is fine, it's your opinion and etc.) but the fact it is repeated over and over and over and OVER.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 11, 2020, 09:11:33 PMQuote from: BlazinBlue88 on Jul 11, 2020, 08:33:33 PMOkay I have a serious question.
Fugitive Predator. I've heard some people love his look. Heard others hate it. My question is why?
And the mask was one that not terribly fond of personally
It's a Crabator. It's a crustacean looking Predator with broken oversized jaws and a gigantic disproportional bobble head that can hold pencils within his mandible flaps that likely makes the late, great Stan Winston turn in his grave.
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Long live the work of Stan da Man Winston!
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 25, 2020, 03:38:44 PMThese far away shots are not a wise choice to use for this scrutiny, but to zoom in on the Emissary I actually referenced in this thread and you'll see the Emissary is clearly larger.
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But if you look Fugitive ginormous head with mouth folds, you can't even see his neck.
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But good old Stan.... a neck and proportion!
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Now the other Emissary, I'm not certain that Crabator was designed to vastly open it's mouth.
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This is not trick photography making these no-neck heads look big. They're just big.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 21, 2020, 06:24:23 PMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 21, 2020, 05:26:55 PMVoodoo is just happy the female Pred is not a Crabator.
Damn straight!
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Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jan 21, 2020, 05:58:32 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 20, 2020, 03:27:10 PMAnd check out how her dreads are done in the back...
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I love this, I can tell its female but its not that different from what we've already seen.
Yes, agreed!
I do appreciate there was a lot of consideration taken with her:
- "The design for the female Predator took considerable time as Fox was very heavily involved in process. It involved a great deal of back and forth changing elements, but Illfonic is very proud of what they've achieved with her."
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 05, 2019, 10:21:03 PMQuote from: Shinawi on Nov 05, 2019, 10:01:40 PMWhen Scar revealed his face to Lex
#JustSayNo
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 29, 2020, 07:58:51 PMQuote from: Sol on Nov 29, 2020, 07:42:01 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 29, 2020, 06:54:32 PMI didn't see much of a flap problem with KNB.
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I didn't say I didn't see any. Yes, when comparing ADI and KNB, again I'll say "I didn't see much of a flap problem with KNB." And I still don't. Not like ADI's awkward rolls and pencil holders. :)
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 26, 2020, 02:26:42 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 26, 2020, 01:12:32 PMADI are Oscar winners because people have thought they were the best at their craft on different projects. They've created some of the most memorable and effective creature effects of the last 30 years.
They've employed many of the same people who worked at SWS and other major effects houses over the decades.
Forget employed. The ADI founders came from Stan Winston Studio for a year or two before leaving to form their own company.
And I'm aware of their Academy Award for their mixing of practical and cg in Death Becomes Her (fun movie by the way). Awards don't mean too much to me personally. For example, it's a crime that Rob Bottin has never won an Oscar - and it also has factors of your competition that particular year. Fx is a small market.
QuoteI'm not a big fan of a lot of their design choices but they're not amateurs and they're far from incompetent.
Don't turn this into a strawman argument. No one said these words "amateurs" or "incompetent", but I stand behind my feelings that in 2004 in regards to Scar, "Every aspect of Scar to me was inferior, even his paint application, which just screamed out to me during the release of AvP a lower degree of experience and/or talent". I was simply reacting to the work:
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And I'm not a big fan of many of their design choices in general either, which is why I feel they'll never be considered the best of the best with the likes of Stan Winston in a hundred years. They won't be on the Mount Rushmore of Practical FX guys in my humble opinion. But it's a small industry, and they have to be talented in such a small industry just to thrive / later survive. Clearly.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 25, 2020, 01:56:16 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2020, 02:33:27 AMIs Voodoo the foremost pundit on crabators?
Quote from: Kradan on May 25, 2020, 09:41:35 AMHe claims to be one
Of course! I coined the term!
But yes... no "x" mandibles, straightened brows, broken jaws, they meet and exceed the requirement to be deemed a Crustacean Predator!
Also I can't take these big heads! I lined up both eye pupils on the Stan Winston design and ADI design, then halved it.
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I miss the days when we had Predator makers that understood proportion!
https://i.ibb.co/25XxnWz/Predator25.jpg
#SayNoToCrabators
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 17, 2019, 02:44:58 PMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Nov 16, 2019, 11:40:18 PMYou all know Voodoo will come inspecting for Crabators in your memes.
It's only a matter of time.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2019, 01:48:24 AMWhat are Crabators? is it something like a nickname for Preds?
What??? Have you learned nothing from me??? Have you learned nothing about those horrible, horrible Crustacean Hunters from outer space ???
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 10, 2019, 09:24:24 PMQuote from: Master on Oct 10, 2019, 09:19:10 PMQuote from: Kradan on Oct 09, 2019, 08:49:58 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 09, 2019, 02:32:57 PMI agree. Some practical fx of the Upgrade would have been nice.
One positive note is, even as a full CG creation, the Upgrade Predator doesn't have the disappointing ADI broken jaw look. It actually reminds me of KNB's work.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/upgrade004.jpg)
Indeed
KNB Predators had mandibles movement, but couldn't close opened mouth.
Yet still a step up from ADI's Crabators I think...
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 21, 2019, 08:42:55 PMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jun 21, 2019, 08:25:02 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 21, 2019, 05:28:28 PMQuote from: Samhain13 on Jun 21, 2019, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Kradan on Jun 21, 2019, 05:02:22 PMa conversation between creator and enraged fan
If someone needs an enraged fan to co-host a Shane Black interview I'm here you know.
Same goes with me and ADI. Someone needs to answer for those Crabators!
"Welcome to the AvPGalaxy podcast, venting edition."
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2019, 03:12:59 PMQuote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 12, 2019, 02:25:58 PMI don't believe it's exactly ADI's fault considering they're just doing as they're told. You can have all the personal dignity in the world but you'd never work again so I don't blame them for going with it.
I do respect that they acknowledge they really only got Wolf right.
However the issue isn't so much ADI as much as it is the directors and producers who at the end of the day are the ones calling the shots. ADI really doesn't have that much say in the matter regarding what the director wants and what makes it to screen. When you're brought on to do FX you're basically a hired gun. Director vision and the money allotted is going to be the biggest impediments, and we know that from Wolf, Fugitive, what little we've seen of the Emissary that they do just fine on Predator FX.
When Alec @ ADI was asked about the broken jaw, slack-jawed look of their Predators compared to the original beloved Stan Winston design, Alec answered the question with a question: Why do the mandibles have to close like they did in the first two movies?
Alec confirmed it was a creative decision, and after three films, with three different directors, you do have to consider the common factor: ADI. Especially when the CG Upgrade Assasin Predator mandible and jaws looked correct in "The Predator", even among his deformed upgraded self, but the ADI Predators in the same movie had the same broken jaw (Crabator) problem. We doubt Shane Black said "try to get the mandibles/jaw muscles right on the cg Predator only, people!" It would seem Black wasn't very invested in it either way.
We've relegated this change in core facial musculature to ADI's "stamp" on the Predator, for better or worse. And most of us feel worse. And I haven't even addressed the paint jobs. :-\
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 25, 2019, 07:23:08 PMQuote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 25, 2019, 06:19:15 PMAs bad as the plot is, Fugitive and even the Emissary Pred's look a lot more life like than the AVP preds
That's fair. The Fugitive was the best ADI created in my opinion, but the Fugitive, and two Emissaries still feature the gamut of design and to a lesser degree, paint problems:
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Ironically, I would insist the CG Assasin Upgrade Predator came the closest / was the most faithful of them all in regards to Stan Winston's x mandible design. No slack-jaw, broken jaw bones there.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2019, 10:46:14 PMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 23, 2019, 07:29:41 PMQuote from: AhabPredator on Feb 23, 2019, 07:25:23 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 06:38:45 PMYeah the actual predator faces were abysmal in avp.
Do you think Stan Winston would cringe seeing them? 🤔
Voodoo saying something about "Crabators" in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
It's...
The CRABATORS!
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 06:38:45 PMYeah the actual predator faces were abysmal in avp.
Someone buy this man a beer!!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 03:05:53 PMQuote from: Highland on Jan 04, 2019, 04:57:26 AMQuote from: SiL on Dec 24, 2018, 04:33:48 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Dec 24, 2018, 04:01:06 AMAt no point does the predator 2 animatronic face ever look as bad as scars face in AvP.
His googley eyes when Harrigan is right about to chop his arm off. Looks like something out of the original Mad Max ;D
I never had much problems with the P2 face. I never stopped to think that it looked bad, not like every movie that ever came after it.
Even the Elders look 5 times better than anything else.
While I agree 100% with your feelings regarding the Predators looked bad after "Predator 2", specifically ADI's work in AVP, AVPR and The Predator (however they have shown improvement with each movie), how did you feel about the work done by KNB EFX in "Predators"?
QuoteI noticed something on re-watching the lab scene in The Predator. They make his mandibles act like a crab with little movements, the original never did this, they were just moving when he wanted them to move.
I noticed that too.
Another big problem, in my opinion, is the ADI Predators can no longer close their mouth, so to speak. Here is a shot from Predator, Predator 2, and The Predator featuring all three Yautjas not roaring or speaking. In ADI's design, it can't close it's mouth.
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I think I'm safe in saying the general consensus of Predator fans is non-approving of ADI's changes, but even when it's brought up (much gratitude to The Old One), Alec from ADI dismisses the question.
I think that's enough to get the point across, eh ?
For comparision, I know there's a lot of people who dislike ADI's work on Aliens. Yet, I can hardly remember anyone complaining about it apart from Trash Queen throwing term "Snaliens" cople of times
Kradan, I guess this is somehow an attempt to embarrass me, that you caught me talking about it 14 times since January of 2019, and more than half of the time I didn't even bring up the issue but responded to it. Of course, you conveniently left out the times you brought it up. Becareful with this road your trying to take my friend.
Ill try this one more time with you...
ACM, Randy Pitchford, Crabators, egg barfing, egg morphing, Alien3 eggs, Alien skulls, AvPR can't see sh*t, Predator boobs, the murial, hybridization, City Hunters mandible problems, Predator autism, The Newborn, domes, Ridley's prequels, is AvP canon, David created the Xenomorph, etc. etc. etc. - This all gets repeated over and over again in these forums and increases when it becomes relevant. And with a new Predator film coming, what fans want from the FX house becomes relevant. I did not even create the video, or start this thread, or contribute to the conversation until Thread Page #2 and you're on my case about it.
You don't seem to count how many times you personally trash AvPR and the Predalien, things I am fans of, because that would make your point moot. Just knock it off.
My patience is wearing really thin with this right now folk. I'm getting sick of this becoming some sort of personal feud between people. We're going to have differences of opinions. It's the nature of discussion. It's the nature of a wide area of interests and knowledge. But I'm getting fed up with this descending into some petty arguments all the time.
Can we stop resorting to digging up comments or stats or digging at "you said this" kind of antics. This is supposed to be a hobby, an interest, a passion, a love. And I've always been proud of how mature we are here compared to many other corners of fandoms. Don't let me down.
Enough with this, before you all drive each other away. Let's move on.
If either of you wants to drag it on, take it into private.
Alrighty, moving back to the subject of the thread.
Was having trouble posting this gif for a bit, but worked it out.
In the latest TV spot, the ending is just the slightest bit longer. I slowed it down and did a bit of brightening, with that you can see a bit more mandible action.
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In case the gif isn't loading, here is a link to the gif. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/t3c8y8o8ftrq9i1/Predface.gif?dl=0)
I can't see your image.
Quote from: Master on Jun 10, 2022, 06:26:03 PMI can't see your image.
Added a link to my post. Can see it on my end, but thought it was gonna give me some more issues. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
Ok. I see it 😉
Quote from: Master on Jun 10, 2022, 06:32:14 PMOk. I see it 😉
Mike's gif:
https://imgur.com/a/aMONV4U
I swear it's showing up on my end! I'm not THAT crazy! ;D
Here's a screenshot of that final frame brightened up.
Somehow I can't post it either. Strange!
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Ok. I see what you mean. I stand with my theory that this face is based on Winston's final concept arts for Predator.
I'm having all sorts of trouble with my attachments this morning.
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Quote from: Master on Jun 10, 2022, 06:44:42 PMSomehow I can't post it either. Strange!
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Ok. I see what you mean. I stand with my theory that this face is based on Winston's final concept arts for Predator.
The Samurai looking one?
Quote from: Doomofman on Jun 10, 2022, 06:57:39 PMQuote from: Master on Jun 10, 2022, 06:44:42 PMSomehow I can't post it either. Strange!
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Ok. I see what you mean. I stand with my theory that this face is based on Winston's final concept arts for Predator.
The Samurai looking one?
Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2022, 08:05:31 PMAllrighty then you ugly motherf**kers, I knew I saw such predator face and mandible placement ,like in this shot, earlier:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=12014;image
I did some research, aaaaaaand...
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...it's Stan Winston's own concept design! Mandible placement is like in picture nr 1 and eyebrows shape is from picture nr 2. There you have it and you've heard about it here first! With those thinner dreadlocks I wouldn't be surprised if it head such top knot too.
Quote from: Master on Jun 10, 2022, 07:21:51 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jun 10, 2022, 06:57:39 PMQuote from: Master on Jun 10, 2022, 06:44:42 PMSomehow I can't post it either. Strange!
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Ok. I see what you mean. I stand with my theory that this face is based on Winston's final concept arts for Predator.
The Samurai looking one?
Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2022, 08:05:31 PMAllrighty then you ugly motherf**kers, I knew I saw such predator face and mandible placement ,like in this shot, earlier:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=12014;image
I did some research, aaaaaaand...
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator1-concept-001.jpghttps://swsca-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachments/40/predator-004.jpg?1338322887
...it's Stan Winston's own concept design! Mandible placement is like in picture nr 1 and eyebrows shape is from picture nr 2. There you have it and you've heard about it here first! With those thinner dreadlocks I wouldn't be surprised if it head such top knot too.
The first one is the one I meant, I think it looks really cool. I absolutely despise the second one, it's like uncanny valley for predators, most of the features are there just not "right"
I still have trouble reconciling the forehead and eye location in the the little glimpse we have from Prey, feels like the forehead is too far forward or doesn't slope enough. And the eyes are somewhat obscured by the top mandibles I think?
Posted this in the catch all but I really like this piece of fan art of the design by Jolous.
https://twitter.com/jolousDA/status/1534133772249186306
Check this out! Already getting Feral Predator custom 3D printed items. We are living in the future people!
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Not my store, but the talented individual who made this...
https://www.ebay.com/str/lrlcustoms
Still don't know how Feral can see out of this mask...
Good point! But if we can have passthrough on an oculus VR with itty bitty cameras that can show you the physical world through a fully occluded field of vision... gotta think a space-faring species solved that waaaaaaaaaay before.
I don't see how people are struggling. It's not just a bone mask, there's metal under it.
They probably don't need lenses but commonly have them. Like if the sensor broke you still can see with something to protect your face. We have seen helmets without lenses over in Hunting Grounds. Even Alpha somehow is able to see out of the skull of the Amengi he gutted. Probably a sensor somewhere.
In Feral's case he probably has some sort of sensor or might be a maniac and felt the skull was good enough.
I do have this thought though that they might be able to detect where things are like a heat based echolocation. There's a word for that I'm sure, but basically I wouldn't doubt it if they functioned like Daredevil if it really came down to it. Like they can't see you but they can train themselves to look for the heat among other things to track targets. So maybe they don't strictly need eyes.
There have been masks without external lenses before such as Serpent Hunter, and a few in Predator: Hunting Grounds.
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Maybe it's a blind Predator without eyes that works with it's senses or something new and weird.
Oh that'd be f**ked if we got a blind Predator. Cause that means the mud trick shouldn't work here. Or maybe it does like the mask has a sensor so he can see, but when the mask comes of and he goes blind he fights like Daredevil. Like the slightest sound sets him off and they have to work around him like the Berserker from Gears of War.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jun 10, 2022, 11:19:04 PMStill don't know how Feral can see out of this mask...
Those are my favorite type of helmet or mask. With no visible eyes, makes things look scarier/badass.
Snakes have heat pits between their mouth and nostrils that allow them to see heat radiation in 3 dimensions. Totally reasonable that preds would have something akin to that. Honestly how helpful are eyes if you only sense heat maps and no photons... :o
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 10, 2022, 11:57:29 PMThey probably don't need lenses but commonly have them. Like if the sensor broke you still can see with something to protect your face. We have seen helmets without lenses over in Hunting Grounds. Even Alpha somehow is able to see out of the skull of the Amengi he gutted. Probably a sensor somewhere.
In Feral's case he probably has some sort of sensor or might be a maniac and felt the skull was good enough.
I do have this thought though that they might be able to detect where things are like a heat based echolocation. There's a word for that I'm sure, but basically I wouldn't doubt it if they functioned like Daredevil if it really came down to it. Like they can't see you but they can train themselves to look for the heat among other things to track targets. So maybe they don't strictly need eyes.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 11, 2022, 12:00:21 AMThere have been masks without external lenses before such as Serpent Hunter, and a few in Predator: Hunting Grounds.
https://bbts1.azureedge.net/images/p/full/2017/01/49093177-87d0-46dc-8e8e-61d558588f04.jpghttps://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/032/431/249/4k/matthew-hatfield-illfonicpredator-mask2.jpg?1606411036
I still wonder how they see in them...
With monitors inside the helmet?
Like... their eye lenses are already little computer screens, what difference does it make if you can see them from the outside or not?
Yeah when it comes to these eyeless masks I've always imagined that they either A) have lenses like all the others, but they're just designed to "blend in" with the mask itself so you can't tell from the outside which part is solid mask and which is actually see-through for them, or B) they have a tiny camera or sensor on the outside that relays everything they're looking at back to an internal screen, which appears much bigger and essentially just gives them a normal-sized view of their surroundings.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jun 10, 2022, 01:51:02 PMCould this new predator be a bad blood and Greyback comes to take him out? Maybe Greyback comes towards the end of the movie and kills the new pred while he was trying to kill the girl?
I originally thought this my be the case too. Correct me if I'm mistaken but I believe greyback killed the City Hunter in an alternate ending to P2. That would be a cool nod to the previous film if this occurs in Prey. It would also be a cool nod to the bad blood comic as well.
After seeing the trailer/promo videos it seems less as less likely Greyback will show up. I would love it if he did of course. Fingers crossed.
Maybe someone can clarify this for me, but I vaguely remember seeing a behind the scenes for one of the predator films(AVP?) where they discuss the mandibles? Something about losing the tech that gave the jungle/city hunter its iconic mandible swinging motion? Does that ring a bell with anyone?
It's not just a coincidence that they chose the same year as the pistol
It had to be involved
Looking forward to the medi-kit finally being used again! It was one of the first things I could easily make out from watching the trailer the first time
We haven't seen it in use since P2 but I believe Wolf was shown using one in a deleted scene
Quote from: von on Jun 12, 2022, 02:32:21 AMLooking forward to the medi-kit finally being used again! It was one of the first things I could easily make out from watching the trailer the first time
We haven't seen it in use since P2 but I believe Wolf was shown using one in a deleted scene
Wolf was using one in AVPR, not in a deleted scene.
And where did you see a medkit in this one ?
Unless it's a holster the new guy looks to be wearing one. You can see what might be the med kit in the trailer when he flips the hatchet.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 12, 2022, 03:13:49 AMQuote from: von on Jun 12, 2022, 02:32:21 AMLooking forward to the medi-kit finally being used again! It was one of the first things I could easily make out from watching the trailer the first time
We haven't seen it in use since P2 but I believe Wolf was shown using one in a deleted scene
Wolf was using one in AVPR, not in a deleted scene.
And where did you see a medkit in this one ?
It's in the scene where the Pred is holding the hatchet. The form and detailing on it is quite similar to Wolf's
(Having trouble attaching an image here via mobile sorry)
Quote from: dHunter333 on Jun 11, 2022, 09:52:26 PMIt's not just a coincidence that they chose the same year as the pistol
It had to be involved
Well if we get technical the synopsis of the movie states "300" years in the past. That would be 1722, after Greyback gets his pistol in the comics.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 12, 2022, 05:45:59 AMQuote from: dHunter333 on Jun 11, 2022, 09:52:26 PMIt's not just a coincidence that they chose the same year as the pistol
It had to be involved
Well if we get technical the synopsis of the movie states "300" years in the past. That would be 1722, after Greyback gets his pistol in the comics.
It's not literally 300 years ago from now. 1719 is what I believe they said. They also said the film represents the first time a Predator has come to Earth so it's definitely before Greyback.
Pistol is 1715
If the movie is 1719 then it'll probably be unrelated unless the pistol has that year on it still...?
Quote from: von on Jun 12, 2022, 04:17:20 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 12, 2022, 03:13:49 AMQuote from: von on Jun 12, 2022, 02:32:21 AMLooking forward to the medi-kit finally being used again! It was one of the first things I could easily make out from watching the trailer the first time
We haven't seen it in use since P2 but I believe Wolf was shown using one in a deleted scene
Wolf was using one in AVPR, not in a deleted scene.
And where did you see a medkit in this one ?
It's in the scene where the Pred is holding the hatchet. The form and detailing on it is quite similar to Wolf's
(Having trouble attaching an image here via mobile sorry)
The backpack looking thing a la jungle hunter ? I guess it's possible it is a medkit yes.
Quote from: dHunter333 on Jun 12, 2022, 09:19:22 AMPistol is 1715
If the movie is 1719 then it'll probably be unrelated unless the pistol has that year on it still...?
A gun with 1715 written on it could still appear in a movie set in 1719, I don't see the problem here.
Part of me wishes they hadn't revealed new Predator lookstill the movie comes out. One thing about original 1987 movie is that for a looong chunk of it first-time viewer doesn't even know what creature looks like. But nowadays you know what new Predator is gonna look like long before you get to your seat in a cinema or push that "Play" button. Some magic is lost there. One can argue: "Well, we know what Predator looks like so why hide it ?". That's where some design tweaking might come in handy. Idk, if it was featured in promotional materials for Predators but one thing I remember fondly about that movie is when Berserker took his mask off and I was all like "WOAH ! This one looks even uglier than all the previous ones ! Hot damn !"
I don't think it was in promotional materials but I do remember the unmasked Berserker head getting leaked. I don't think we saw the face but we did know what Berserker looked like before the film came out. The leaked spoiled the other two though.
Mentioning leaks, I'm so glad we had so little for this movie.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 12, 2022, 04:03:43 PMI don't think it was in promotional materials but I do remember the unmasked Berserker head getting leaked. I don't think we saw the face but we did know what Berserker looked like before the film came out. The leaked spoiled the other two though.
I think it was from the back of the Neca action figure.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 12, 2022, 04:03:43 PMI don't think it was in promotional materials but I do remember the unmasked Berserker head getting leaked. I don't think we saw the face but we did know what Berserker looked like before the film came out. The leaked spoiled the other two though.
When Predators was about to come out, a bunch of official behind the scenes photos were released. Many having the faces of Mr. Black. I had it spoiled before I saw the movie on opening night, but the stills were officially released.
Quote from: bobcunk on Jun 12, 2022, 06:26:11 PMQuote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 12, 2022, 04:03:43 PMI don't think it was in promotional materials but I do remember the unmasked Berserker head getting leaked. I don't think we saw the face but we did know what Berserker looked like before the film came out. The leaked spoiled the other two though.
I think it was from the back of the Neca action figure.
Naha
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jun 12, 2022, 06:28:32 PMQuote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 12, 2022, 04:03:43 PMI don't think it was in promotional materials but I do remember the unmasked Berserker head getting leaked. I don't think we saw the face but we did know what Berserker looked like before the film came out. The leaked spoiled the other two though.
When Predators was about to come out, a bunch of official behind the scenes photos were released. Many having the faces of Mr. Black. I had it spoiled before I saw the movie on opening night, but the stills were officially released.
Aha!
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 12, 2022, 03:54:47 PMPart of me wishes they hadn't revealed new Predator lookstill the movie comes out. One thing about original 1987 movie is that for a looong chunk of it first-time viewer doesn't even know what creature looks like. But nowadays you know what new Predator is gonna look like long before you get to your seat in a cinema or push that "Play" button. Some magic is lost there. One can argue: "Well, we know what Predator looks like so why hide it ?". That's where some design tweaking might come in handy. Idk, if it was featured in promotional materials for Predators but one thing I remember fondly about that movie is when Berserker took his mask off and I was all like "WOAH ! This one looks even uglier than all the previous ones ! Hot damn !"
They haven't though , unless there's a picture of it unmasked?
I think they teased just enough not to give too much away.
Quote from: Highland on Jun 12, 2022, 11:21:53 PMQuote from: Kradan on Jun 12, 2022, 03:54:47 PMPart of me wishes they hadn't revealed new Predator lookstill the movie comes out. One thing about original 1987 movie is that for a looong chunk of it first-time viewer doesn't even know what creature looks like. But nowadays you know what new Predator is gonna look like long before you get to your seat in a cinema or push that "Play" button. Some magic is lost there. One can argue: "Well, we know what Predator looks like so why hide it ?". That's where some design tweaking might come in handy. Idk, if it was featured in promotional materials for Predators but one thing I remember fondly about that movie is when Berserker took his mask off and I was all like "WOAH ! This one looks even uglier than all the previous ones ! Hot damn !"
They haven't though , unless there's a picture of it unmasked?
I think they teased just enough not to give too much away.
There is, but it's profoundly blurry.
And there'll likely be more peeks at it before it drops.
This is a good departure. It's about time they revamped this franchise. The main thing that made the original Predator exciting was all the reveals:
- Invisible alien with green glowing eyes
- Masked alien (who knows wtf)
- Giant lizard alien (unmasking)
The levels of reveal is unheard of. Alien also had three levels of reveal with facehugger, chestburster and xenomorph
Anyway, the point is that Predator is done. It is oldhat. You want to keep it interesting you need redesigns, especially if you can't come up with new lore for the creature.
I'm getting strong Bad Blood Predator vibes from his design, the sword is literally in the same location on his back with the handle sticking up just the same way and the bones on the armor and overall behavior.
It'd be a great call back if the sword/machete weapon was inspired by the original machete-type weapon that was cut from the original film(s?):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIl96KvW0AQt3HL?format=jpg&name=900x900)
I was unaware of that, it's pretty cool !
Quote from: Kailem on Jun 13, 2022, 03:41:40 PMIt'd be a great call back if the sword/machete weapon was inspired by the original machete-type weapon that was cut from the original film(s?):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIl96KvW0AQt3HL?format=jpg&name=900x900
I didn't know it was cut from the first film but it wasn't in second, That is the same sword that that the Elder has at the end. It is also the same sword that the predator is holding in the Predator 2 model kit.
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Hahaha so ADI did the face, not Onyx Forge.
Oh no ... a new shitstorm is coming
It won't be the same without him (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65665.msg2567389#new) though :'(
Do not start going personal in here please.
Sorry
Quote from: SiL on Jun 14, 2022, 05:00:49 AMHahaha so ADI did the face, not Onyx Forge.
Let's wait and see if it's a disaster or not before we judge it.
Quote from: bobcunk on Jun 14, 2022, 02:10:10 AMQuote from: Kailem on Jun 13, 2022, 03:41:40 PMIt'd be a great call back if the sword/machete weapon was inspired by the original machete-type weapon that was cut from the original film(s?):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIl96KvW0AQt3HL?format=jpg&name=900x900
I didn't know it was cut from the first film but it wasn't in second, That is the same sword that that the Elder has at the end. It is also the same sword that the predator is holding in the Predator 2 model kit.
Yeah I'd never heard anything about a sword being cut from the second film, so I was surprised to see one in that pic. It seemed familiar though, so yeah it belonging to Greyback makes sense as to why.
And yeah there are a couple more pics of the one from the first film that I was tying to find when I came across the one(s) here. Supposedly it was cut because it was going to be stored on the Predator's back and he would have reached over his shoulder to grab the handle, but it was difficult for Kevin Peter Hall to do that when he was fully costumed-up and with the dreadlocks getting in the way, so they decided to dump it.
But given that it looks like they're going for the same thing as far as positioning of the sword in the new film goes, it'd be a cool "deep cut" to finally bring it to the screen after all these years.
Quote from: Kailem on Jun 14, 2022, 01:35:26 PMQuote from: bobcunk on Jun 14, 2022, 02:10:10 AMQuote from: Kailem on Jun 13, 2022, 03:41:40 PMIt'd be a great call back if the sword/machete weapon was inspired by the original machete-type weapon that was cut from the original film(s?):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIl96KvW0AQt3HL?format=jpg&name=900x900
I didn't know it was cut from the first film but it wasn't in second, That is the same sword that that the Elder has at the end. It is also the same sword that the predator is holding in the Predator 2 model kit.
Yeah I'd never heard anything about a sword being cut from the second film, so I was surprised to see one in that pic. It seemed familiar though, so yeah it belonging to Greyback makes sense as to why.
And yeah there are a couple more pics of the one from the first film that I was tying to find when I came across the one(s) here. Supposedly it was cut because it was going to be stored on the Predator's back and he would have reached over his shoulder to grab the handle, but it was difficult for Kevin Peter Hall to do that when he was fully costumed-up and with the dreadlocks getting in the way, so they decided to dump it.
But given that it looks like they're going for the same thing as far as positioning of the sword in the new film goes, it'd be a cool "deep cut" to finally bring it to the screen after all these years.
Don't we see Greyback holding the sword the first time we see him? Or is that a different blade?
It is reused for Greyback in Predator 2. I don't think City Hunter ever has it during Predator 2.
Which might be a nice callback to that since I don't think we ever see them using swords. Spears yes, but no swords in any of these despite Greyback having it on his person. I think he even has it drawn for the entirety of his interaction with Harrigan but he never uses it. Hunting Grounds is pretty much the only place I can think of where the sword gets used (even said weapon being based on and named after said sword).
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jun 15, 2022, 07:58:20 AMQuote from: Kailem on Jun 14, 2022, 01:35:26 PMQuote from: bobcunk on Jun 14, 2022, 02:10:10 AMQuote from: Kailem on Jun 13, 2022, 03:41:40 PMIt'd be a great call back if the sword/machete weapon was inspired by the original machete-type weapon that was cut from the original film(s?):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIl96KvW0AQt3HL?format=jpg&name=900x900
I didn't know it was cut from the first film but it wasn't in second, That is the same sword that that the Elder has at the end. It is also the same sword that the predator is holding in the Predator 2 model kit.
Yeah I'd never heard anything about a sword being cut from the second film, so I was surprised to see one in that pic. It seemed familiar though, so yeah it belonging to Greyback makes sense as to why.
And yeah there are a couple more pics of the one from the first film that I was tying to find when I came across the one(s) here. Supposedly it was cut because it was going to be stored on the Predator's back and he would have reached over his shoulder to grab the handle, but it was difficult for Kevin Peter Hall to do that when he was fully costumed-up and with the dreadlocks getting in the way, so they decided to dump it.
But given that it looks like they're going for the same thing as far as positioning of the sword in the new film goes, it'd be a cool "deep cut" to finally bring it to the screen after all these years.
Don't we see Greyback holding the sword the first time we see him? Or is that a different blade?
Yeah I guess from the way he sheaths it as he walks away I just always imagined it as being like a human-made rapier or something, since I never looked closely enough at it to realise it could have been the one from the original film re-used.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 14, 2022, 11:30:54 AMQuote from: SiL on Jun 14, 2022, 05:00:49 AMHahaha so ADI did the face, not Onyx Forge.
Let's wait and see if it's a disaster or not before we judge it.
I actually really like what I think I can see in that one blurry frame we have. It's different but it echoes a lot of things I'm fond of. Personally my fingers are crossed that Dan decided to use a little digital airbrush magic to cover the weaknesses while letting the design itself do the heavy lifting.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 14, 2022, 11:30:54 AMQuote from: SiL on Jun 14, 2022, 05:00:49 AMHahaha so ADI did the face, not Onyx Forge.
Let's wait and see if it's a disaster or not before we judge it.
Please show me where I judged anything.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 16, 2022, 11:07:52 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 14, 2022, 11:30:54 AMQuote from: SiL on Jun 14, 2022, 05:00:49 AMHahaha so ADI did the face, not Onyx Forge.
Let's wait and see if it's a disaster or not before we judge it.
Please show me where I judged anything.
Didn't say you did.
I implied that's the conclusion people proverbially will jump to.
ADI can clearly make good stuff, I think having it not like the original is probably a better set of circumstances for them than trying to make something that looks too similar.
It's possible that could help indeed. I sure hope so. I really like what I saw so far.
Found this.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NM39Gjc3/Prey.jpg)
Regards.
This f**king skull mask keeps intriguing me. The two upper mandibles seem very high. And coming out of the mask then.
One thing's for sure, however his face ends up looking, it's certainly very intriguing from the glimpses we've been getting so far!
Based on this pic, his mouth is going to open really wide while his mandibles not so much. I still can't imagine where his eyes are.
Quote from: paulorangelmelo on Jun 17, 2022, 04:00:12 PMFound this.
https://i.postimg.cc/NM39Gjc3/Prey.jpg
Regards.
Saw this image on YouTube as well for the video. But it does shows a lot of details & I agree it's hard to get a feel for how the face will look.
But still optimistic from the majority of what we've seen so far.
Quote from: pmaz11 on Jun 17, 2022, 08:48:57 PMQuote from: paulorangelmelo on Jun 17, 2022, 04:00:12 PMFound this.
https://i.postimg.cc/NM39Gjc3/Prey.jpg
Regards.
Saw this image on YouTube as well for the video. But it does shows a lot of details & I agree it's hard to get a feel for how the face will look.
But still optimistic from the majority of what we've seen so far.
Yes, that´s the video i also saw today.
It appeared on my youtube inital page.
Run all the thread and i did not saw the image.
This Image everybody saw when the trailer was leaked but this one was less "dark", that´s why i posted it.
I apologise for my very rudimentary windows paint abilities but this it what i think it is.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7LHvD2mJ/Preyother.jpg)
Red - Upper mandible.
Blue - Lower manbible.
Regards from Portugal.
I'm getting some Predalien mandible vibes the more I look at that picture.
I Hope Not!
https://twitter.com/fonsi20201/status/1537892548189954051
I dig the earthy / brown-ish skin tone he seems to have. His mandibles definitely look like they sit alongside the mask, exposed in the open. Some initially thought he was wearing the bone over top of a normal bio but I have a feeling he's JUST wearing the bone mask. The things protruding below when he flips the hatchet are probably just his lower mandibles.
Makes me wonder if he'll have thermal vision at all. I like it though. It'll be creepy looking if he doesn't have obvious lenses representing his eyes. Even if he is just peering out from underneath the mask it would give the impression he's "sensing" rather than seeing.
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 17, 2022, 11:54:57 PMhttps://twitter.com/fonsi20201/status/1537892548189954051
If we will see a ship, I hope it will look ancient and otherworldly, as the one in the second film.
(https://i.ibb.co/kmXZ7ZV/Em-O5-JVa-XIAM4qk2.jpg)
Quote from: paulorangelmelo on Jun 17, 2022, 08:55:22 PMQuote from: pmaz11 on Jun 17, 2022, 08:48:57 PMQuote from: paulorangelmelo on Jun 17, 2022, 04:00:12 PMFound this.
https://i.postimg.cc/NM39Gjc3/Prey.jpg
Regards.
The face may not be that different, but where are his eyes?
Saw this image on YouTube as well for the video. But it does shows a lot of details & I agree it's hard to get a feel for how the face will look.
But still optimistic from the majority of what we've seen so far.
Yes, that´s the video i also saw today.
It appeared on my youtube inital page.
Run all the thread and i did not saw the image.
This Image everybody saw when the trailer was leaked but this one was less "dark", that´s why i posted it.
I apologise for my very rudimentary windows paint abilities but this it what i think it is.
https://i.postimg.cc/7LHvD2mJ/Preyother.jpg
Red - Upper mandible.
Blue - Lower manbible.
Regards from Portugal.
Yes I think you're right about the mandible location, and I also think the top mandibles are higher than usual so the eyes are probably about level with the top of them and kinda right where bone mask between the mandibles starts
Tin foil hat time: I wonder if the predator's eyes are going to be orange this time around and the picture of Dane in the bigfoot outfit was just him in a random suit they had around the studio BUT wearing the actual predator contacts for the movie
This is of course assuming two things, 1) the predators eyes in the suits previously and this time around are actually contacts as I don't know that for sure, and 2) that the bigfoot hasn't already been confirmed as appearing in a different project of Dane's
At this point, I've embraced the idea that every film after P2 will have its own variation of the species. We can explain it however we want, different clans, subspecies, etc. but so long as it's executed well I think we should just roll with it.
I think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
Yeah, thats why im cautiously optimistic as well.
Its not the usual "Super Predator" or "Upgrade Predator" bullshit, where the new Preds are so much bigger and badder. Its a normal Predator.
It makes perfect sense that a Pred from a different hemisphere/continent would look a bit different. Just like humnans look different from each other, depending from what continent they are from: white Europeans, African Americans, Asians, etc.
Ill wait and see how he turns out in the movie. If he looks like shit, then oh well. But i wont judge the idea itself until ive seen it.
The only one deliberately said to be a mutant (at least in regards to why he looks different) was Assassin. The Supers have at least two different explanations ranging from a different origin point than the others to being mutants themselves but the subspecies route seemingly is what Fox went with.
Scout from Predator 2 is stated to be from an island chain as per the Neca backstory. His face really being the only indicator of that with altered positioning of mandibles and the top two being chunkier. Neca also had a hand in Stalker whose blood is visible through his skin giving him a glow in the dark appearance since that part of the homeworld is without much light. They'd also state the AVP Predators are from a mountainous area of the homeworld which gave them far more muscular bodies as a result. Alpha due to his being the earliest Predator in the timeline is also depicted with an altered face. Though it's unclear if all of them resembled this or just Alpha.
The toys and even to a lesser degree Hunting Grounds definitely suggest appearances are largely based on origin point. So kind of a neat way to lore build the different interpretations. Some look like Jungle Hunter, others are spiky like City Hunter, and H shaped mandibles are just as common as X or the bulldog face of Scout.
Love the specificity and nuance of this. Never heard the mountain notion with AVP preds but seems totally sensible. When I read the Scout backstory on the box I was like... hell yeah. All the diversity in human coloration, stature, density and muscle to fat ratio... so much more can be done with this. I mean we have been so fixated on this or that. As long as there is a logical argument for differentiation, then I say bring it on. Give me a million different tweaks as long as they make sense and they are in keeping with tone and thoughtfulness.
I mean I hate AVPR, but dammit love Wolf. Because the story and reasoning made sense.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 21, 2022, 12:07:41 AMThe only one deliberately said to be a mutant (at least in regards to why he looks different) was Assassin. The Supers have at least two different explanations ranging from a different origin point than the others to being mutants themselves but the subspecies route seemingly is what Fox went with.
Scout from Predator 2 is stated to be from an island chain as per the Neca backstory. His face really being the only indicator of that with altered positioning of mandibles and the top two being chunkier. Neca also had a hand in Stalker whose blood is visible through his skin giving him a glow in the dark appearance since that part of the homeworld is without much light. They'd also state the AVP Predators are from a mountainous area of the homeworld which gave them far more muscular bodies as a result. Alpha due to his being the earliest Predator in the timeline is also depicted with an altered face. Though it's unclear if all of them resembled this or just Alpha.
The toys and even to a lesser degree Hunting Grounds definitely suggest appearances are largely based on origin point. So kind of a neat way to lore build the different interpretations. Some look like Jungle Hunter, others are spiky like City Hunter, and H shaped mandibles are just as common as X or the bulldog face of Scout.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
Is it really damage control? Because every subsequent Predator has changes due to director vision. Like every single one including City Hunter. It's not all ADI, given past history its entirely believable to me that the director wanted something different.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 25, 2022, 04:03:00 PMQuote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
Is it really damage control? Because every subsequent Predator has changes due to director vision. Like every single one including City Hunter. It's not all ADI, given past history its entirely believable to me that the director wanted something different.
It reeks damage control. All the recent interactions with the fanbase were about accepting this new design.A predator who has spaghettis for hair :laugh:
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
I dare say that to me, City Hunter and Jungle Hunter come from the same "country" but maybe from a different part of it (north vs south or some like that), with them having minor physical differences.
As opposed to Feral who possibly come from a whole different "country" and thus being maybe more different. At least that's how I like to view things for now.
Yeah it's sounding more like Feral will be the "Australian" of Predators. :P
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 04:38:10 PMQuote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
I dare say that to me, City Hunter and Jungle Hunter come from the same "country" but maybe from a different part of it (north vs south or some like that), with them having minor physical differences.
As opposed to Feral who possibly come from a whole different "country" and thus being maybe more different. At least that's how I like to view things for now.
How about just doing a great predator without the need to tell us from where he is ?
No, they rather tell you , look he looks like crap, but that's because he's from New Jersey. :laugh: It's pointless.
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 04:52:07 PMHow about just doing a great predator without the need to tell us from where he is ?
Or how about waiting for the movie to judge the final design that we didn't fully see maybe ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 04:38:10 PMQuote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
I dare say that to me, City Hunter and Jungle Hunter come from the same "country" but maybe from a different part of it (north vs south or some like that), with them having minor physical differences.
As opposed to Feral who possibly come from a whole different "country" and thus being maybe more different. At least that's how I like to view things for now.
Maybe its just like Black, white and asians but with predators. If the wolf analogy with the super predators is true then they are also the same species.
Quote from: bobcunk on Jun 25, 2022, 07:55:39 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 04:38:10 PMQuote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
I dare say that to me, City Hunter and Jungle Hunter come from the same "country" but maybe from a different part of it (north vs south or some like that), with them having minor physical differences.
As opposed to Feral who possibly come from a whole different "country" and thus being maybe more different. At least that's how I like to view things for now.
Maybe its just like Black, white and asians but with predators. If the wolf analogy with the super predators is true then they are also the same species.
I got that but it still works with Jungle and City hunter. Different skin color, different skulls, different faces,no need for crabators.
If the Predators all looked the same, or simular, then there would be no need for any sort of face reveal. Yeah we got to see multiple Preds at the end of Predator 2 ranging in different colors and faces but they were all roughly the same set up. Going into the comics and expanded lore things get more interesting with a whole slew of different types of Predators. When it comes to a live action movie I want something different now, we've essentially seen the same face too many times now. I personally am hoping to see something crazy like the Ultimate Scout Predator for example. Give us something familiar but also very different.
Had a dream involving the Feral predator the other night (I spend too much time on here I guess).
In my dream I finally saw it's face and it was very zombie like. Grey/pale skin very tight on the bone, teeth/mandibles more prominent as a result and almost greyed over eyes though they were barely visible behind his thick brow/forehead.
In my dream as well, the bone mask actually lifted/moved out of the way on it's own (kinda like Ironman's facemask).
I imagine both of these things are way off what we'll get but figured I'd share anyway :)
Actually had one myself where Naru was hiding within some brush and a downed tree and has to wait it out while the Predator kills someone and cleans a skull. Like on the downed tree the body is flopped onto where Naru is hiding under and the sword jabs through the guy's neck.., and through the tree narrowly missing her.
Which TBH I don't think the movies have done. We've seen them take skulls and clean them, but we've never had somebody watching that I don't think. Like actually being that close to the Predator and having that sort of role reversal. Getting the drop on them but not actually being able to do anything given the sheer size and power of the thing. I wonder if that's what they're going for with Naru being behind the tree in that one screenshot. She goes out hunting it and she finds out quickly how much of a bad idea that was.
That would be a great scene actually. Naru watching one of her tribe's member becoming a trophy, with the gruesome process that comes with it. It could be emotionally very strong if done right.
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jun 26, 2022, 06:55:31 PMQuote from: bobcunk on Jun 25, 2022, 07:55:39 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 04:38:10 PMQuote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
I dare say that to me, City Hunter and Jungle Hunter come from the same "country" but maybe from a different part of it (north vs south or some like that), with them having minor physical differences.
As opposed to Feral who possibly come from a whole different "country" and thus being maybe more different. At least that's how I like to view things for now.
Maybe its just like Black, white and asians but with predators. If the wolf analogy with the super predators is true then they are also the same species.
I got that but it still works with Jungle and City hunter. Different skin color, different skulls, different faces,no need for crabators.
shaq and ed sheeran are the same species. not everyone comes in the same size, color, or shape. dan's explanation checks out. he even said he wants to get away from that 1987 WWF wrestler feel of the predator. so he found himself a different one a la different designs.
no design will be "perfect." what does perfect even mean? who's a perfect human?
so far Feral looks pretty cool. as dan said he's dynamic and lean but also hulking to some degree.
i'm excited to see how this all plays out.
And to say that we only have to wait one month to see it is pretty great.
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jun 25, 2022, 03:05:06 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 06:02:43 PMI think Trachtenberg's view of things is really interesting. Seeing this predator as coming from a different part of the predator world, just like humans come from different areas/countries, is kinda new and really cool IMO. No superior bullshit this time.
It was just a weak excuse to explain the new design, if you compare Jungle hunter and City hunter, they fit to that same explanation,yet both have a perfect design.Their pathetic excuses won't work.Now It's damage control time,as usual, when they can't hide it anymore.
oh wow way to tell everyone you don't know the bigger context because you are a part of it
brilliant
Jungle Hunter and City Hunter clearly aren't from vastly different places going by the end of P2.
Why do all the "woke" spouting "fans" never seem to have watched the movies they're apparently so precious about?
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2022, 08:38:39 PMJungle Hunter and City Hunter clearly aren't from vastly different places going by the end of P2.
oh but SiL, why would you think that?
Is it that Greyback was literally based on a cast of Jungle Hunter?
Or that the Jungle Hunter mask APPEARS in the film, worn by another Predator?
Nah, can't be. We are both wrong, the director is clearly aware that he's done WRONG and has INSULTED the fans, yaddayaddayadda
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2022, 08:38:39 PMWhy do all the "woke" spouting "fans" never seem to have watched the movies they're apparently so precious about?
I mean we live in a world where people expected a homelander redemption arc lmao
I hope the Predator's vocal mimicry is used in this. It is such a vastly underused feature.
On of the franchise's creepiest moments is when City Hunter asks Jerry if he wants some candy.
I agree, very underused recently.
Has it even featured since Predator 2? It was written into AvP but they cut it.
It was used in Predators, with Cuchillo death scene.
I forgot that! Did The Predator end up using it?
Wolf samples voices then does nothing with them.
Yeah Fugitive mimics Dupree's voice in the jungle prologue.
And again in the lab to open the door.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 06, 2022, 09:39:52 PMYeah Fugitive mimics Dupree's voice in the jungle prologue.
And again in the lab to open the door.
Was going to come say this. Rewatched it yesterday and was surprised I never remembered the voice mimicry used. Think so much happens in such a short period of time that it's easy to miss in all the noise.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 06, 2022, 09:39:52 PMAnd again in the lab to open the door.
Which as something I actually quite liked in the film!
I read back through one of the earlier drafts of the original Predator on here a little while ago, and there was one scene that never made it into the finished film that I've wanted to see in live-action ever since.
It was towards the end where Matheny (Dutch) and the Predator are in a huge log jam that's so big it's almost like an underground cavern, and they're basically at either end of a corridor with a waterfall dividing them and blocking each's view of the other.
The Predator starts using his vocal mimicry to call out to Matheny in the voice of a teammate he thinks could possibly still be alive, and Matheny falls for it, hearing the voice and calling back, moving closer and closer to the waterfall.
But then the Predator screws up and mimics the voice of someone Matheny knows for a fact is dead, and he realises he's been tricked and that the Predator is right there in front of him.
So you get this super tense scene that flips back and forth, where first you have the tension of the main character not knowing he's walking into a trap, and then the tension of having both characters know the other is right there, and who's going to make the first move.
So yeah, I'd love it is this new film got back to using the mimicry in a tense way again, because it's definitely a cool trait that only tends to be used once or twice in a film.
Well if all goes wrong with the face. Least we can say is Feral has pretty neat looking gear. Looks like your classic medkit backpack, the spear at his lower back, and...a sword? It kinda looks like it has a trigger.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/still1.jpg)
As said earlier. I think the thing on his shoulder i actually some sort of crossbow.
Quote from: Master on Jul 14, 2022, 10:03:20 AMAs said earlier. I think the thing on his shoulder i actually some sort of crossbow.
Yeah I'm really starting to lean towards that too. Can't really get my head around exactly how it'll all fold out though. I hope it's now a bowcaster like Chewie in Star Wars
Just a random comment, but maybe seeing a bloody skull of some kind by the Predator's left hip/next to spear tip.
Good sign 8)
Feral also has quills protruding from his shoulders.
Quote from: pmaz11 on Jul 15, 2022, 01:00:16 AMJust a random comment, but maybe seeing a bloody skull of some kind by the Predator's left hip/next to spear tip.
Good sign 8)
Good eye ! Seems like it.
Guess we know what happens to the wolf.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 15, 2022, 02:14:44 AMFeral also has quills protruding from his shoulders.
Yeah, until we got this pic it looked more like the dreads doing something funny, but they're definitely small quills.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 15, 2022, 02:39:07 AMGuess we know what happens to the wolf.
Does indeed look like the back end of a canid skull.
I really just wish Feral had a little bit more armor on him. That's the only thing I really just don't like about this design, no chest armor or shoulder armor, no leg armor at all besides the upper thigh and that could just be a part of the waist armor hanging down. Just wrist armor and waist and helmet, just looks looks really off. They are continuing the trend of the armor from The Predator, the "Ultimate" Predator had the same amount of armor as Feral and in the same spots as well. I'm just not a fan of that personally. I'm also still trying to get used to the dreadlocks being so thin and man those mandibles...
With the recently showed stills, seems like he does have a big f**king mouth.
I tried my best to denoise and sharpen this close up of Feral :
Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/2dWXx7s/Screenshot-2022-07-15-120218-De-Noise-AI-low-light-De-Noise-AI-severe-noise-De-Noise-AI-severe-noise.jpg)
I'm only worried for the eyes, but except for that I'm loving the design for now ! At least it has real meaning and purpose behind it, not like the super predator design wich is just a predator with a huge freaking head and bigger everything on it... ::)
Seems more "feral" indeed, very agressive looking. Still, not enough shown to know if I dig it totally.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 17, 2022, 11:54:24 AMWith the recently showed stills, seems like he does have a big f**king mouth.
The one blurry maskless shot we have puts me strongly in mind of a Headcrab and I'm fine with that, even if it's quite a departure. A lot about the design so far honestly reminds me of the logic, if not the execution, of some of the crazy variety of the Kenner figures.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 16, 2022, 05:30:50 PMQuote from: skhellter on Jul 15, 2022, 05:55:51 PMReally liking the different look.
It's almost like they're a.. diverse species lmao. And not just that one guy from the first film copy pasted a billion times (which is what some fans seem to want).
NO. Fans with actual design knowledge want something closer to the original predators done by SWS. They managed to make the P2 design which is the same but different from Predator87. Also without it looking like some retarded fan art take like this one and all the rest have.
The mandibles have never closed properly since P2 nor folded correctly. They always look like some cheap Halloween mask and so does this one. Like it all you want it doesn't change the fact it's yet another downgrade from everything that made SWS work so great and iconic.
I mean yeah, the first two movies design is what made the predator iconic, it's only justice to want to see this design back, not counting the screw up the classic pred was in Predators of course.Still,KNB tried.
Fans at home can build awesome faces wich are far superior than everything ADI made with a tiny budget.
So i'm counting on all the fans who agree with us to display their criticism, whatever how they will do it, just do it. There is no such thing as a great pred movie if you don't like the predator.
Besides they should've involved Grayback, it would've solved many big problems.
Fixing the design with one of the most coolest pred ever seen, change the classic formula with a winning predator, thus closing the mouth of all the people who ignore it because they can smell a Mary Sue, you can also add a mask for the elder, some changes about the armour pieces,weapons etc.The nostalgia is also great for profit and word of mouth. Be prepared to make some real money.
It's mind blowing that they didn't jump on this occasion.
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jul 17, 2022, 07:12:23 PMFans at home can build awesome faces wich are far superior than everything ADI made with a tiny budget.
Most of these people have a ton more time than ADI. Budget can do a lot, but the lack of time does factor in, and ADI has always been on a major time crunch with their Predators because all of the productions they've been on were rushed. Many seem to leave this fact out. Budget can only do so much when you have little time.
Maybe give the movie a chance and decide if you don't like it AFTER you've seen it? You really seem like you want to hate this movie.
Hating the face when it is fully shown is completely ok. But its has not been fully and clearly shown yet. We still have to see a few key elements, like the eyes, to judge the final thing.
The mouth seem to open very wide though. I dislike it, I always did. Still, the rest of the creature seem to be ace for now.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 17, 2022, 07:37:52 PMHating the face when it is fully shown is completely ok. But its has not been fully and clearly shown yet. We still have to see a few key elements, like the eyes, to judge the final thing.
The mouth seem to open very big though. I dislike it, I always did. Still, the rest of the creature seem to be ace for now.
Yeah how wide the mouth opens is my biggest concern at the moment. Seems like the widest it's opened in any design we've seen before? There's a Wolf bust that's somewhat wide but even that is nowhere close to what we're seeing in the latest image
Berserker also opened pretty wide IIRC. But maybe it was more horizontal-wide than vertical-wide.
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jul 17, 2022, 07:12:23 PMit's only justice to want to see this design back
Justice? Are you for real?
QuoteSo i'm counting on all the fans who agree with us to display their criticism, whatever how they will do it, just do it.
Who's "us"?
QuoteMary Sue
QuoteThe nostalgia is also great
Will you please f**k off?
Being a fan of something is much more enjoyable when you don't get so wound up about this stuff.
That's not to say don't have preferences and opinions, just ... touch some grass, get some perspective.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 17, 2022, 08:02:11 PMBerserker also opened pretty wide IIRC. But maybe it was more horizontal-wide than vertical-wide.
It was relatively wide horizontally too but I guess dwarfed by his gigantic mandibles... In terms of wolf though, take this bust, darken the skin and throw the bone mask on there and it's not too far off what we've seen so far (aside from the missing upper mandible)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dd/5f/de/dd5fde6515dcb5eb859e7b7b7612dad6.jpg)
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 17, 2022, 07:28:22 PMQuote from: Yautja888 on Jul 17, 2022, 07:12:23 PMFans at home can build awesome faces wich are far superior than everything ADI made with a tiny budget.
Most of these people have a ton more time than ADI. Budget can do a lot, but the lack of time does factor in, and ADI has always been on a major time crunch with their Predators because all of the productions they've been on were rushed. Many seem to leave this fact out. Budget can only do so much when you have little time.
Just to add to this, those fan masks aren't screen quality. Most of them are taken from kits of the original two Predators and slightly modified. They don't sit on the faces properly and they aren't designed to perform on camera.
Some of them are nice designs but saying they're better masks than what ADi makes is really ignorant.
Quote from: Doomofman on Jul 17, 2022, 08:15:54 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 17, 2022, 08:02:11 PMBerserker also opened pretty wide IIRC. But maybe it was more horizontal-wide than vertical-wide.
It was relatively wide horizontally too but I guess dwarfed by his gigantic mandibles... In terms of wolf though, take this bust, darken the skin and throw the bone mask on there and it's not too far off what we've seen so far (aside from the missing upper mandible)
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dd/5f/de/dd5fde6515dcb5eb859e7b7b7612dad6.jpg
I think Scar Predator has Wolf beaten, Scar might be the closest mouth wise to Feral. (https://i.ibb.co/gmMgDv6/4k9nU0O.jpg) (https://ibb.co/17f29sb)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 17, 2022, 08:03:24 PMQuoteSo i'm counting on all the fans who agree with us to display their criticism, whatever how they will do it, just do it.
Who's "us"?
Anti-crabators of all countries, unite !
But this is a headcrabator
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Jul 17, 2022, 08:31:41 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jul 17, 2022, 08:15:54 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 17, 2022, 08:02:11 PMBerserker also opened pretty wide IIRC. But maybe it was more horizontal-wide than vertical-wide.
It was relatively wide horizontally too but I guess dwarfed by his gigantic mandibles... In terms of wolf though, take this bust, darken the skin and throw the bone mask on there and it's not too far off what we've seen so far (aside from the missing upper mandible)
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dd/5f/de/dd5fde6515dcb5eb859e7b7b7612dad6.jpg
I think Scar Predator has Wolf beaten, Scar might be the closest mouth wise to Feral. (https://i.ibb.co/gmMgDv6/4k9nU0O.jpg) (https://ibb.co/17f29sb)
For the mandibles, maybe. But I'm talking about the like inner mouth
The term Crabator is silly to me. In my eyes, EVERY Predator mouth has a crab/crustacean-like mouth. So to me, that would mean EVERY PREDATOR IS A CRABATOR. I understand the arguments, but the term y'all use is what gets me.
You know who to blame...
It's some sort of magic
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 17, 2022, 08:44:36 PMThe term Crabator is silly to me. In my eyes, EVERY Predator mouth has a crab/crustacean-like mouth. So to me, that would mean EVERY PREDATOR IS A CRABATOR. I understand the arguments, but the term y'all use is what gets me.
worry not, it's just what it is - a silly fan term to diss on ADI
As for Feral I like a lot of the aesthetic innovations - the thinner dreads, the tufts of quills, the athletic build, the animal skull-like helmet and so forth. If well-employed in the film it shall be a sight to behold
I love the overall design so far. I need to look at this thing in the eyes though.
Pretty hyped myself.
I just want the mandibles to close properly, small but livid eyes, and have that intimidating brow again. Last films made them look goofy, big Disney eyes with broken mandibles that hang and don't close properly over the mouth. It looks promising that Dan wanted a better and proportionate Predator again, seeing how it doesn't have the big bobble head and a silhouette that is reminiscent of the first two Predators so I'm positive that they can finally get the face back on track.
Mfw it's got skin folds and the mandibles don't close properly AGAIN.
(https://i.gifer.com/S012.gif)
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 18, 2022, 09:41:00 AMMfw it's got skin folds and the mandibles don't close properly AGAIN.
https://i.gifer.com/S012.gif
But they are Aliens. What does it matter if they can't close their mouths properly?
Edit- Is that Voodoo Magic?
It's more about aesthetic than function to me, it just looks not great with the skin folding and making it look fake in particular, I'm mainly just memeing about the mouth closing.
Enough with the pokes at Voodoo too.
I can't not notice the folds either now.
Especially in Predator 2.
Can you show us?
Meat locker and bathroom scenes.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:27:23 AMI can't not notice the folds either now.
They are there on Predator 2 too
(https://i.imgur.com/TOGeBAT.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ADypCBG.png)
of course, the whole big problem with the 'crabator' debacle (the term by itself is not derogative,
but is meant to be by those who coined it) is that the wrong people are being blamed for it. I've seen people throw shit at ADI for more than a decade and it really, really needs to stop.
There are a thousand reasons for the folds, and some reasons to make them work with the film. Disliking the aesthetic of the ADI Predators is of course fine and dandy -- at the end of the day they are iterations of an established archetype -- but blaming them for things they are simply not responsible for (that is, production scheduling and photography) is disingenuous and harmful.
I'm just at a point where I want the effect to look good/cool. Be it the way it's shot or how it's designed.
But first I want the film to be good, the effects will be secondary to that.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 18, 2022, 11:25:13 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:27:23 AMI can't not notice the folds either now.
They are there on Predator 2 too
https://i.imgur.com/TOGeBAT.png
https://i.imgur.com/ADypCBG.png
of course, the whole big problem with the 'crabator' debacle (the term by itself is not derogative, but is meant to be by those who coined it) is that the wrong people are being blamed for it. I've seen people throw shit at ADI for more than a decade and it really, really needs to stop.
There are a thousand reasons for the folds, and some reasons to make them work with the film. Disliking the aesthetic of the ADI Predators is of course fine and dandy -- at the end of the day they are iterations of an established archetype -- but blaming them for things they are simply not responsible for (that is, production scheduling and photography) is disingenuous and harmful.
(https://c.tenor.com/eOXG7de_rCoAAAAd/steve-carell-thankyou.gif)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2022, 11:34:45 AMI'm just at a point where I want the effect to look good/cool. Be it the way it's shot or how it's designed.
But first I want the film to be good, the effects will be secondary to that.
Pretty much.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 18, 2022, 11:25:13 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:27:23 AMI can't not notice the folds either now.
https://i.imgur.com/TOGeBAT.png
https://i.imgur.com/ADypCBG.png
Kudos dude, never noticed this before, probably because it looks mostly fine because only a curve appears on one side in each shot respectively, instead of being bundled with multiple in either direction on each side most egregious with Fugitive.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2022, 11:38:22 AMhttps://c.tenor.com/eOXG7de_rCoAAAAd/steve-carell-thankyou.gif
f**k YEAH (you know the drill)
(https://i0.wp.com/narikchase.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Predator-2.gif)
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 18, 2022, 11:25:13 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:27:23 AMI can't not notice the folds either now.
They are there on Predator 2 too
https://i.imgur.com/TOGeBAT.png
https://i.imgur.com/ADypCBG.png
of course, the whole big problem with the 'crabator' debacle (the term by itself is not derogative, but is meant to be by those who coined it) is that the wrong people are being blamed for it. I've seen people throw shit at ADI for more than a decade and it really, really needs to stop.
There are a thousand reasons for the folds, and some reasons to make them work with the film. Disliking the aesthetic of the ADI Predators is of course fine and dandy -- at the end of the day they are iterations of an established archetype -- but blaming them for things they are simply not responsible for (that is, production scheduling and photography) is disingenuous and harmful.
I do feel like it's a lot less egregious in P2. It's there, but unless you're already looking for it, it doesn't stick out as much as in later films. I reckon it's mostly the lighting and editing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:27:23 AMEnough with the pokes at Voodoo too.
I can't not notice the folds either now.
Hey I was just having fun ;D but fair enough and sorry 👉👈
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 18, 2022, 11:54:23 AMI do feel like it's a lot less egregious in P2.
I feel the same. And to be fair, it did take it being pointed out to me to really notice it but once I saw it, I can't stop noticing it now. And I'm not shitting on ADI or anything. I'm very aware of the difficulties and issues they face, and I do actually really like their take on the designs. It's just one aspect I can't not see now.
Skin folds looked especially visible in AVP and The Predator, probably also due to cinematography. But the wider you make the mouth open, the more skin you need.
In Predator 2, some scenes do have the folds, but most of the scenes do not have them. Also the Predator is able to close his mouth in that movie which becomes rare in the following films.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 02:53:21 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 18, 2022, 11:54:23 AMI do feel like it's a lot less egregious in P2.
I feel the same. And to be fair, it did take it being pointed out to me to really notice it but once I saw it, I can't stop noticing it now. And I'm not shitting on ADI or anything. I'm very aware of the difficulties and issues they face, and I do actually really like their take on the designs. It's just one aspect I can't not see now.
That's how it's been for me too. It was never something I noticed until people here pointed it out, and now it's one of those things I wish they hadn't! :laugh:
Closer look at Feral from the new preview.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5t1JQD78/Feral.jpg)
I feel like that's the extent that Feral's mandibles are going to close
Quote from: Dino21AvP on Jul 18, 2022, 05:57:30 PMCloser look at Feral from the new preview.
https://i.postimg.cc/5t1JQD78/Feral.jpg
Saw this on Reddit and it was cool how the arrow seem to load into the upper portion of the weapon. Would be interesting to see if it is some sort of multi-purpose projectile weapon that can shoot arrows/spears/etc. from it.
Quote from: Dino21AvP on Jul 18, 2022, 05:57:30 PMCloser look at Feral from the new preview.
https://i.postimg.cc/5t1JQD78/Feral.jpg
Holy damn his top mandibles look
way behind the bottom ones there! Methinks this is certainly going to be a divisive design, but I'm certainly looking forward to seeing it! ;D
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 18, 2022, 06:03:01 PMQuote from: Dino21AvP on Jul 18, 2022, 05:57:30 PMCloser look at Feral from the new preview.
https://i.postimg.cc/5t1JQD78/Feral.jpg
Holy damn his top mandibles look way behind the bottom ones there! Methinks this is certainly going to be a divisive design, but I'm certainly looking forward to seeing it! ;D
I also think the mandibles are CG in this shot, but again hoping for a better version to tell for sure
Feral does seem to have a "longer" face than jungle hunter.
Quote from: Doomofman on Jul 18, 2022, 06:04:07 PMI also think the mandibles are CG in this shot, but again hoping for a better version to tell for sure
This idea had been playing around in my mind recently: Cgi face or mandibles. Like practical suit, but enhanced with cgi to make it more alive. Think Jurassic World with the practical raptor heads that they added CGI eyes or lips on for example. Or Where the Wild Things are with the practical suit bodies, and cgi faces. I think this could bring a new life to the creature, and maybe also fix that "crabator" issue many have. Could also be wishful thinking on my part, but a hybrid of effects like that sounds like a dream come true.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 18, 2022, 06:34:44 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jul 18, 2022, 06:04:07 PMI also think the mandibles are CG in this shot, but again hoping for a better version to tell for sure
This idea had been playing around in my mind recently: Cgi face or mandibles. Like practical suit, but enhanced with cgi to make it more alive. Think Jurassic World with the practical raptor heads that they added CGI eyes or lips on for example. Or Where the Wild Things are with the practical suit bodies, and cgi faces. I think this could bring a new life to the creature, and maybe also fix that "crabator" issue many have. Could also be wishful thinking on my part, but a hybrid of effects like that sounds like a dream come true.
Yeah there's a quote in the SFX stuff where Dan talks about it being mostly a guy in a suit but with some CG stuff to make it feel more like a living creature. Maybe we wont get folds of skin as any of the moving shots of the mandibles are CG?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 18, 2022, 06:34:44 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jul 18, 2022, 06:04:07 PMI also think the mandibles are CG in this shot, but again hoping for a better version to tell for sure
This idea had been playing around in my mind recently: Cgi face or mandibles. Like practical suit, but enhanced with cgi to make it more alive. Think Jurassic World with the practical raptor heads that they added CGI eyes or lips on for example. Or Where the Wild Things are with the practical suit bodies, and cgi faces. I think this could bring a new life to the creature, and maybe also fix that "crabator" issue many have. Could also be wishful thinking on my part, but a hybrid of effects like that sounds like a dream come true.
I think there'll be both this and a practical head, depending on the scene.
QuoteOne of the cooler images released... job of a lifetime... so grateful @alec_gillis & @tom_woodruffjr for the trust.... I still have not seen what's under the mask but I've got a good idea of it... iterating on an iconic character is a fantastic challenge... I think sometimes design misses the mark when it attempts to carry the aesthetic of an iconic character into a new design but loses the spirit of it... the spirit ought to come first and the aesthetic follows... both are integral but there ought to be something of an order of operations... comes with careful observation of the conscious and subconscious cues that make a design "work"... haven't seen it unmasked, but I have full confidence in the modern masters that took our take on the mandibular menace to a finish... #prey #predator #predator5 #yautja #conceptart #conceptartist #monsterart
Makes me wonder if they even had a practical unmasked head on set.
Have to say they've managed to build serious hype around Feral whilst maintaining a shroud of mystery too.
Quantum Mag Lev Spear Gun is amazing as well!
Makes you wonder if they have anything else in store if they're giving us these wonderful snippets now.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 18, 2022, 09:54:15 PMMakes me wonder if they even had a practical unmasked head on set.
Wondering the same thing myself.
Hmm that's a twist. Alec's post definitely leads me to think it's a full CG face.
Quote from: ace3g on Jul 18, 2022, 09:51:38 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/CgKptsIPlMs/
How much mystery behind that mask! Not to mention, the new design looks pretty ominous and intimidating.
So if there isn't an actual prop animatronic head, then I assume they used like a green screen prop in the shape of a Predator head?
Or the actor's face with tracking marks, or a dummy stand in.
Full CG face is a potential deal breaker for me. Bad feeling.... :o
I think if done right like D9 a cgi face could be great.
Not sure why it would be a deal breaker imo. Personally I think this predator looks awesome from what I've seen.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 19, 2022, 02:15:03 AMI think if done right like D9 a cgi face could be great.
Not sure why it would be a deal breaker imo. Personally I think this predator looks awesome from what I've seen.
Mandibles under the mask, absolutely, it'll bring life to the suit. Full close up face reveal...The predator is a prop, always has been. It'll have them dead eyes , imperfections.
Straight to streaming I'm thinking the budget wasn't incredible.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt, but if you're asking me puppet vs CG it's not even a contest.
One thing, it'll clear up the mandible problem, but potentially creates a worse problem. Especially if they start animating the dreds etc.
Fingers crossed.
Good shot of the mandible placement in the new tv spot. Not my capture, but I wanted to bring it here.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/FX9xWhxWYAA1C8K.jpg)
In the footage you can see them moving. They hug the sides or the face, no X shape closed formation. Definitely not what I was hoping for. But whatever. This was an inevitability.
It was not meant to go straight to streaming initially, budget's probably decent enough.
So, the monster has elecrtomagnetic crossbow insted of plasmacaster. Cool, definitely cool looking. I wonder if P2 Pred had the same!
Quote from: Master on Jul 19, 2022, 10:13:39 AMSo, the monster has elecrtomagnetic crossbow insted of plasmacaster. Cool, definitely cool looking. I wonder if P2 Pred had the same!
Considering every hand held weapon (net gun, combistick) is still visible while City Hunter is cloaked in P2, and when firing the spear thing nothing is seen, I'd say it's something different, probably wrist mounted.
Quote"Most of it is practical and some of it is CG. I'm not someone who thinks CG is awful and I fetishize practical effects and suit work. Oftentimes, I feel pulled out of the movie when I see the man in that suit as much as I've been pulled out of a movie when I feel the artifice and digitally recreated creature or effect. I really wanted to combine both thoughts and mainly rely on the practical suit, but enhance key moments with visual effects, like his calf muscles. Sometimes the hands are changing or you see a throat throbbing."
https://freshfiction.tv/interview-how-prey-went-from-an-innovative-idea-to-a-meaningful-movie/
That's actually really interesting considerations. I hadn't really thought about any of those kind of movements or adjustments before.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 19, 2022, 11:02:41 AMConsidering every hand held weapon (net gun, combistick) is still visible while City Hunter is cloaked in P2, and when firing the spear thing nothing is seen, I'd say it's something different, probably wrist mounted.
The new speargun is handheld, not wrist mounted. This can be clearly seen in proper aspect ratio TV spot.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 19, 2022, 11:03:16 AMQuote"Most of it is practical and some of it is CG. I'm not someone who thinks CG is awful and I fetishize practical effects and suit work. Oftentimes, I feel pulled out of the movie when I see the man in that suit as much as I've been pulled out of a movie when I feel the artifice and digitally recreated creature or effect. I really wanted to combine both thoughts and mainly rely on the practical suit, but enhance key moments with visual effects, like his calf muscles. Sometimes the hands are changing or you see a throat throbbing."
https://freshfiction.tv/interview-how-prey-went-from-an-innovative-idea-to-a-meaningful-movie/
That's actually really interesting considerations. I hadn't really thought about any of those kind of movements or adjustments before.
Hopefully it blends well. A mix of practical and CG can be fine but if it doesn't blend it's a bit jarring
Blade 2 did an amazing job of blending practical effects with CG-enhanced jaws and mandibles, so it's definitely an effect that can work really well:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F48f1d4496219d9c238f9debd9bf19705%2Ftumblr_olboifqwgU1rp0vkjo1_500.gif&hash=46a4012f21c8210355fbc4dbcb1f1947ddaaaa7e)
From the quote Hicks posted especially, it certainly sound like we're going to be getting "CG touch-ups" here and there rather than just a straight split of "CG for the cloaked Pred, practical for everything else" that we've seen before.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 19, 2022, 11:29:14 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 19, 2022, 11:02:41 AMConsidering every hand held weapon (net gun, combistick) is still visible while City Hunter is cloaked in P2, and when firing the spear thing nothing is seen, I'd say it's something different, probably wrist mounted.
The new speargun is handheld, not wrist mounted. This can be clearly seen in proper aspect ratio TV spot.
I was talking about what City Hunter have in P2. ;)
wasent wolf cg too in that one shot on his home planet ?
if that's the case i dont really mind it because they know they can never get the face right pratical
but when using cg if that's the case
i dont really mind it.
dont get me wrong pratical all the way but if they cannot get it right im ok with the CG.
God I can't wait for the scene where the bone mask of Feral is shattered by a tomahawk and reveals the true mask under it.
Wonder if the eyes will be that of the performers or if the entire face is CG?
I would hope for real eyes with contact lenses that gives life to the creature.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 21, 2022, 01:27:06 PMI would hope for real eyes with contact lenses that gives life to the creature.
This.
Didn't Dan mention in an interview that head basically sits on top of Dane's head? So there's no chance of it being the actors eyes if that's the case
Quote from: Doomofman on Jul 21, 2022, 02:29:39 PMDidn't Dan mention in an interview that head basically sits on top of Dane's head? So there's no chance of it being the actors eyes if that's the case
Yes he did mention that. Are there any chances that the real eyes thing could happen ? Some effect trickery of sorts ?
The face is on the new tv spot. Has anyone posted it here yet?
https://twitter.com/Predator/status/1550163703034699777?s=20&t=RwWesxZpyS_7qGalMfr54Q
It's ugly alright , not sure if I dig it, but it's not terrible. Will need to see front on.
Mouth is very different.
Well then...there it is...kinda. I mean from that angle it looks not so bad. But already knowing how the mandibles rest at the sides just doesn't do it for me. But perhaps it will look better in motion and whatnot.
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It looks like they're really putting the "ugly mother hubbard" into this ugly mother hubbard!
I feel like the skin between the mandibles is either entirely CG or at least touched up
That is one ugly motherf**ker...
Poor thing already looks beat up, probably a near the end scene.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 21, 2022, 05:40:12 PMPoor thing already looks beat up, probably a near the end scene.
Did you expect anything else? Probs get his head chopped off like Berserker.
Doesn't look as radical a change as I expected from how they were talking about it. And from the looks of it that's a CG head.
I must say that because of the mask, that very dark face when he jumps on the tree at the end of the Trailer and the comments than Dan made, i was getting a little worried about the Predator Face.
But not now after seing the Hunt on Earth Promo.
In this shoot he looks allot like less exaggerated verison of BSP.
I still can't understand his face, where are the eyes?
Above mandibles :P
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jul 21, 2022, 05:58:22 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 21, 2022, 05:40:12 PMPoor thing already looks beat up, probably a near the end scene.
Did you expect anything else? Probs get his head chopped off like Berserker.
No of course he be f**ked up at some point :laugh:
I hope they don't kill it in an already seen way.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 21, 2022, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Jul 21, 2022, 05:58:22 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 21, 2022, 05:40:12 PMPoor thing already looks beat up, probably a near the end scene.
Did you expect anything else? Probs get his head chopped off like Berserker.
No of course he be f**ked up at some point :laugh:
I hope they don't kill it in an already seen way.
Hopefully we see something unique. They need to make the green blood look real too. It's looked bad (CGI blood I believe?) since Predators.
Am i the only one who thinks his upper jaw looks like it has either veeeeery small, or straight up no teeth at all in it?
Quote from: Manti on Jul 21, 2022, 08:45:25 PMAm i the only one who thinks his upper jaw looks like it has either veeeeery small, or straight up no teeth at all in it?
I was under the same impression
They're there, but they look like nubs.
Maybe they've been broken by a tomahawk. That could be something cool and new to see actually.
Getting antsy waiting for the first reactions.
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Spoilers, man !
Relatively spoiler free aside from some pics of the Pred we've all seen (do those count as spoilers?).
I'll mirror some of the thoughts here and say if the movie delivers (and it looks like it might, always thought Trachtenberg was a solid choice), I should come around to the new design, or rather its face (weirdly enough I'm getting Predalien vibes from it). I'll be revisiting the other films of course which always helps put things in perspective.
And just to post it I've always liked this quote from Winston from the Pred 1 and 2 days which I think differs from the 'all-new, all-different' Super/Upgrade/Feral Pred mindset of the last few movies -
"Broad concept's the same. The difference is, this is a different individual. A different individual of the same species. As is a snake is a snake, but different snakes are different. Their colorings are different, different parts of their characteristics, their facial structures, subtle differences."
ADI-Preds will never look like Winston-Preds, its a creative choice on ADI's part at this point for sure. Treating Predators as a family of breeds or species like dogs, or snakes like in Winston's famous analogy, makes the most sense at this point. That way you can have Winston-Preds and ADI-Preds coexisting without any real problems. Everybody can be happy, even if they're not thrilled with any given design.
PREY is an interesting case, since it's 300 years prior to P1/P2 you could argue that Feral is a more primitive version of the species.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jul 23, 2022, 01:45:50 AM(weirdly enough I'm getting Predalien vibes from it)
Not seen anyone else mention this til now, but I agree and my initial thought upon seeing the newer face shots was of Chet.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2022, 12:11:01 PMQuote from: Gilfryd on Jul 23, 2022, 01:45:50 AM(weirdly enough I'm getting Predalien vibes from it)
Not seen anyone else mention this til now, but I agree and my initial thought upon seeing the newer face shots was of Chet.
Well with the mandibles all the way to the sides of the face, I can see why someone would think that.
From another topic but maybe it belongs here more...
I could be wrong but some of these (very) short scenes of the Predator i haven't seen before.
Don't look if you want to go in blind for the movie!
https://twitter.com/bzthevoice/status/1550567560369754113
Quote from: RoguePred1987 on Jul 23, 2022, 10:19:27 AMADI-Preds will never look like Winston-Preds, its a creative choice on ADI's part at this point for sure. Treating Predators as a family of breeds or species like dogs, or snakes like in Winston's famous analogy, makes the most sense at this point. That way you can have Winston-Preds and ADI-Preds coexisting without any real problems. Everybody can be happy, even if they're not thrilled with any given design.
PREY is an interesting case, since it's 300 years prior to P1/P2 you could argue that Feral is a more primitive version of the species.
Humans were not more primitive version of the species some 300 years ago. Just saying.
Well, if we learned anything from The Predator it's that Predators know a lot about evolution and genes manipulation ;)
Quote from: Master on Jul 23, 2022, 01:44:44 PMQuote from: RoguePred1987 on Jul 23, 2022, 10:19:27 AMADI-Preds will never look like Winston-Preds, its a creative choice on ADI's part at this point for sure. Treating Predators as a family of breeds or species like dogs, or snakes like in Winston's famous analogy, makes the most sense at this point. That way you can have Winston-Preds and ADI-Preds coexisting without any real problems. Everybody can be happy, even if they're not thrilled with any given design.
PREY is an interesting case, since it's 300 years prior to P1/P2 you could argue that Feral is a more primitive version of the species.
Humans were not more primitive version of the species some 300 years ago. Just saying.
and dont Predator live for 100s of years? I just see them as different races.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 23, 2022, 12:13:16 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2022, 12:11:01 PMQuote from: Gilfryd on Jul 23, 2022, 01:45:50 AM(weirdly enough I'm getting Predalien vibes from it)
Not seen anyone else mention this til now, but I agree and my initial thought upon seeing the newer face shots was of Chet.
Well with the mandibles all the way to the sides of the face, I can see why someone would think that.
It was this angle on the new poster with the bone mask and mandibles that did it for me -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/220720222_01.jpg)
(https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/1400_opt_1/9107a081609571.5d047e322bdb8.jpg)
Not only that, but the smooth dome effect of the bone mask resembles the skull of the predalien too.
I really hope they didn't do away with the classic pred upper jaw fangs, which looks like they did
I wouldn't mind of course (we've had Scar) but I love me some upper jaw fangs...
Quote from: bobcunk on Jul 23, 2022, 02:27:24 PMQuote from: Master on Jul 23, 2022, 01:44:44 PMQuote from: RoguePred1987 on Jul 23, 2022, 10:19:27 AMADI-Preds will never look like Winston-Preds, its a creative choice on ADI's part at this point for sure. Treating Predators as a family of breeds or species like dogs, or snakes like in Winston's famous analogy, makes the most sense at this point. That way you can have Winston-Preds and ADI-Preds coexisting without any real problems. Everybody can be happy, even if they're not thrilled with any given design.
PREY is an interesting case, since it's 300 years prior to P1/P2 you could argue that Feral is a more primitive version of the species.
Humans were not more primitive version of the species some 300 years ago. Just saying.
and dont Predator live for 100s of years? I just see them as different races.
When it comes to the novels, yes - but for the movies, your guess is as good as mine. I don't believe there's ever been anything established in the movies regarding their lifespans.
Quote from: bobcunk on Jul 23, 2022, 02:27:24 PMQuote from: Master on Jul 23, 2022, 01:44:44 PMQuote from: RoguePred1987 on Jul 23, 2022, 10:19:27 AMADI-Preds will never look like Winston-Preds, its a creative choice on ADI's part at this point for sure. Treating Predators as a family of breeds or species like dogs, or snakes like in Winston's famous analogy, makes the most sense at this point. That way you can have Winston-Preds and ADI-Preds coexisting without any real problems. Everybody can be happy, even if they're not thrilled with any given design.
PREY is an interesting case, since it's 300 years prior to P1/P2 you could argue that Feral is a more primitive version of the species.
Humans were not more primitive version of the species some 300 years ago. Just saying.
and dont Predator live for 100s of years? I just see them as different races.
The different races thing isn't really doing it for me anymore as a logical explanation for all the (bad) differences in Yautja designs.
Ok like yeah there are many different snakes in the world. I'm using snakes because that's how Winston explained the differences between City and Jungle Hunter.
Many snakes look different with their colors, sizes, scales, etc. But most don't have totally radical changes to their heads. Yes some have fangs that deliver poison, some don't. But at the same time, there are no snakes that have their fangs sitting on the complete outside of their face. Every snake with fangs has them right where they belong inside their mouth.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 24, 2022, 03:48:13 PMMany snakes look different with their colors, sizes, scales, etc. But most don't have totally radial changes to their heads.
How many snake pics do you want me to post in response? :)
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(https://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/stiletto-snake-watermarked-728x485.jpg)
(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_720,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/640px-female-langaha-madagascariensis-0-f09dec541e89d7cd04b4f7e46b0d7bfd.jpg)
(https://a-z-animals.com/media/2022/03/shutterstock_696058198-1024x614.jpg)
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(https://www.treehugger.com/thmb/T9k5ToX6mi8cX66-A7-dkHAoCf0=/638x445/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/__opt__aboutcom__coeus__resources__content_migration__mnn__images__2014__09__StrangeSnakes_HornedViper-f7b81972672b41f4b4705a9cd7ff57dd.jpg)
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/397640/original/file-20210428-19-jvnlor.png)
and this is just the snakes, go figure if we go into Squamata, Reptilia (sensu latu)...
of course, Winston's quote can't be taken so literally just because you want to use it in an argument; saying that you don't like the aesthetics of the new design is sufficient
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 24, 2022, 04:09:04 PMQuote from: The Shuriken on Jul 24, 2022, 03:48:13 PMMany snakes look different with their colors, sizes, scales, etc. But most don't have totally radial changes to their heads.
How many snake pics do you want me to post in response? :)
Spoiler
(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9e2dad3a18acd24be78fba960ba6b9f-lq)
(https://images.ctfassets.net/cnu0m8re1exe/1JNz3HKYFq1au8oc5N5GKc/a7dae3710d4e5573f77aedeac3405838/hognose_2-1024x683.jpg)
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(https://a-z-animals.com/media/2022/03/shutterstock_696058198-1024x614.jpg)
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(https://www.treehugger.com/thmb/T9k5ToX6mi8cX66-A7-dkHAoCf0=/638x445/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/__opt__aboutcom__coeus__resources__content_migration__mnn__images__2014__09__StrangeSnakes_HornedViper-f7b81972672b41f4b4705a9cd7ff57dd.jpg)
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/397640/original/file-20210428-19-jvnlor.png)
and this is just the snakes, go figure if we go into Squamata, Reptilia (sensu latu)...
of course, Winston's quote can't be taken so literally just because you want to use it in an argument; saying that you don't like the aesthetics of the new design is sufficient
Well...I've lost this one. :-X
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 24, 2022, 04:15:50 PMWell...I've lost this one. :-X
You haven't lost you'll be free to say 'I don't like the new design' by all means
I might not like it for one
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 24, 2022, 04:09:04 PMhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cache2.php?img=https://i.redd.it/zlewzf5opuf41.png
Are we avsolutely sure this one isn't photoshopped ?
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 24, 2022, 05:51:49 PMQuote from: Omegamorph on Jul 24, 2022, 04:09:04 PMhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cache2.php?img=https://i.redd.it/zlewzf5opuf41.png
Are we avsolutely sure this one isn't photoshopped ?
arabian sand boa
I didn't remember the name so I googled 'dumb face snake'
Don't entirely vibe with the "races" thing either, considering the differences are sometimes such to be separate subspecies, and for there to be multiple species of these thing running around simultaneously I'd need whoever went into it to cover both the long lives of individuals (whether naturally or thanks to relativity) and possibly even having adapted to multiple planets rather than just saying "That one was Greek but this one is Russian."
Just saw this little dude on twitter, and can say that this is a good example of what I was trying to say about bone structure being different. I'd say this little guy doesn't have the build of other monkeys. There are drastic variations in nature everywhere, even deformities, and maybe we can say Feral may be something like that.
https://twitter.com/hourly_shitpost/status/1550888500500856836?s=20&t=phWA0gYdnh9TPMAAOJUTIg (https://twitter.com/hourly_shitpost/status/1550888500500856836?s=20&t=phWA0gYdnh9TPMAAOJUTIg)
But we also have really funky things like
all the "super" Preds in Predators having an... interesting number of toes, before we even get to Mr. Black's face.
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Which I'd be mostly fine explaining away with "those ones were girls"
I don't remember if they made it into the film but the AvP predators had stubby fingers growing out of their wrists.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2022, 09:53:26 PMI don't remember if they made it into the film but the AvP predators had stubby fingers growing out of their wrists.
lol wut?
My mistake it's City Hunter has the wrist spur thing.
Do the lost tribe have that on screen too, or is that just NECA reusing parts?
Considering the lost Tribe was SWS recycling parts I imagine so, but it's not like we can really see.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 24, 2022, 03:48:13 PMQuote from: bobcunk on Jul 23, 2022, 02:27:24 PMQuote from: Master on Jul 23, 2022, 01:44:44 PMQuote from: RoguePred1987 on Jul 23, 2022, 10:19:27 AMADI-Preds will never look like Winston-Preds, its a creative choice on ADI's part at this point for sure. Treating Predators as a family of breeds or species like dogs, or snakes like in Winston's famous analogy, makes the most sense at this point. That way you can have Winston-Preds and ADI-Preds coexisting without any real problems. Everybody can be happy, even if they're not thrilled with any given design.
PREY is an interesting case, since it's 300 years prior to P1/P2 you could argue that Feral is a more primitive version of the species.
Humans were not more primitive version of the species some 300 years ago. Just saying.
and dont Predator live for 100s of years? I just see them as different races.
The different races thing isn't really doing it for me anymore as a logical explanation for all the (bad) differences in Yautja designs.
Ok like yeah there are many different snakes in the world. I'm using snakes because that's how Winston explained the differences between City and Jungle Hunter.
Many snakes look different with their colors, sizes, scales, etc. But most don't have totally radial changes to their heads. Yes some have fangs that deliver poison, some don't. But at the same time, there are no snakes that have their fangs sitting on the complete outside of their face. Every snake with fangs has them right where they belong inside their mouth.
but don't knowvsnything anout there biology or evolution, maybe there are different predator species on different planets that separated a million years ago. And non of them have been radically different and all have roughly the same amount of teeth, there head shap, number of eyes, etc. Most people woulnt even tdlm the differnts. If you compare a wolf to a pug and a chiwawa they look differnt yet all dogs are the same species and are pretty much identical geneticly.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2022, 09:53:26 PMI don't remember if they made it into the film but the AvP predators had stubby fingers growing out of their wrists.
it does in predator 2 and youbcan see it on the feral predator in the picture were its pointing the gun. Dogs have it aswell but it is removed alot of the time and i thing done arebt even born with it.
Yeah I'm actual thinking AvP is the only film they DON'T have it.
P2 reference:
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Never noticed that.
Yeah, same
Oh right, I would not have described that as a finger myself, more of a spike in most iterations of it anyway.
It's not a million miles away from the foot spur either.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 25, 2022, 03:38:50 PMNever noticed that.
Fact it's even considered in the glove design is the cutest thing
I only noticed this recently on Fugitive.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/2583/urAmCK.png) (https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/9131/vqaMdy.png)
Being shown the pimp hand by one of these guys is gonna hurt.
Well someone showed me Feral's unmasked face. I hate to sound like Voodoo but I think Tractchenberg took things a little too far. I'm gonna have to see it in action before I make a final judgement but, well it's something. I don't think it works at all but I haven't seen the movie yet. I'll bitch about it if it looks bad in motion.
That being said if we ever get an interview with ADI again on Prey, I'd be interested in noting whether they designed the masked or the unmasked head first. Because I wanna think they went with the masked head. There's a gorgeous shot of him coming out of cloak and mandibles open which looks great with the mask.
From the sounds of it I'm not sure the Predator's head was a physical thing or done entirely in post. People involved in the design of the Predator said they hadn't seen it maskless.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 25, 2022, 09:30:17 PMWell someone showed me Feral's unmasked face. I hate to sound like Voodoo but I think Tractchenberg took things a little too far. I'm gonna have to see it in action before I make a final judgement but, well it's something. I don't think it works at all but I haven't seen the movie yet. I'll bitch about it if it looks bad in motion.
That being said if we ever get an interview with ADI again on Prey, I'd be interested in noting whether they designed the masked or the unmasked head first. Because I wanna think they went with the masked head. There's a gorgeous shot of him coming out of cloak and mandibles open which looks great with the mask.
Once I saw the mandible placement my mind was made up. But I am still looking forward to the portrayal.
Best Pics.
So we're looking at something Super Predator inspired?
Because I'm getting Super Predator vibes from this.
Looks like a improved Berserker design, I'm fine with that, the full row of teeth make the mandibles not covering the mount bearable
Yeah, im also not a fan of Ferals face design. Doesnt ruin the movie for me, but i dont get why they always feel the need to create a new Predator sub-species every since Predators. Now we got Classic Preds, Super Preds, Upgrade Pred, Feral Pred.
This movie wouldve worked just as well with a classic Pred. Make him look different (like the City Hunter did) and make him a bad blood, and itll new enough to feel fresh. No need to cram yet another new Pred into it.
But oh well. As i said, doesnt ruin the movie for me.
Quote from: Manti on Jul 26, 2022, 03:35:02 AMYeah, im also not a fan of Ferals face design. Doesnt ruin the movie for me, but i dont get why they always feel the need to create a new Predator sub-species every since Predators. Now we got Classic Preds, Super Preds, Upgrade Pred, Feral Pred.
Pretty much, I resonate with this.
It's like we can't have a traditional Predator anymore.
Quote from: paulorangelmelo on Jul 26, 2022, 12:21:02 AMBest Pics.
The resemblance to Mr Black in this split second shot is really amazing. Even the dreadlocks look a little thicker.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 26, 2022, 03:37:42 AMQuote from: Manti on Jul 26, 2022, 03:35:02 AMYeah, im also not a fan of Ferals face design. Doesnt ruin the movie for me, but i dont get why they always feel the need to create a new Predator sub-species every since Predators. Now we got Classic Preds, Super Preds, Upgrade Pred, Feral Pred.
Pretty much, I resonate with this.
It's like we can't have a traditional Predator anymore.
They tried that and nobody liked their take.
Not for reasons inherent to design choices though.
Reading what was said here, I imagined a face vastly different than this.
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the face has it's own unique spin to it that makes it stand out from Mr Black, I wouldn't say this is a new subspecies entirely, more like a member of Black's breed of Yautja, and with more forgiving proportions too.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999743833388613682/1001527433339600986/unknown.png)
Spoilers guys!
It's from a TV spot and the picture is right there in this thread too
still spoiler tagged tho
Appreciated. There is thread for spoilers, let's make other clear.
Quote from: Manti on Jul 26, 2022, 03:35:02 AMYeah, im also not a fan of Ferals face design. Doesnt ruin the movie for me, but i dont get why they always feel the need to create a new Predator sub-species every since Predators. Now we got Classic Preds, Super Preds, Upgrade Pred, Feral Pred.
I agree.
Might as well get duckpred, chickenpred and catpred while they still on it
I'd say this is the least "Crabator" Predator design from what I've seen people who use that phrase complain about. Still think the descriptor of "crabator" can be applied to all predators, even Jungle and City Hunter since Predator designs are all inherently crustacean to me.
QuoteI loved the design of the new Predator as it was so barbarous and fierce. Prey director Dan Trachtenberg recently talked about what went into bringing this alien hunter to life with practical effects. He told CB:
"It was a couple of people driving (the mechanisms in the mask). There are two versions of the face, There was a stunt version that didn't have any motion, that was a little bit, just a hair safer for Dane (DiLiegro, The Predator) to function. And there was another version that was just heavier on Dane because it had all the animatronics in it. And one of the things we added in this movie that strangely wasn't, I don't think was in the other Ptedator films, was goop. We brought in some alien goop, the stuff that we've seen the Alien movies. So the mandibles and the face and all that stuff just felt that much more violent and gross."
That was definitely an effective element that took the menacing look of the character to a frightful new level. The Predator is played by Dane DiLiegro, who talked about the costume:
"It's interesting, you know, you're not just a guy in a monkey suit. (They) did a tremendous job building this suit, but you slide in and you're not human anymore, you're invincible and you're this trophy hunter from another planet and you kind of transform into that and it's all the history and, Kevin Peter Hall (late actor from first two Predator movies) and following in his footsteps was an incredible experience for me. Like I said before, still sinking in, I still can't believe it."
The original Predators drooled plenty, it just wasn't over the top.
Yup you can clearly see it when Jungle Hunter is coming to finish Dutch before the log fall on his head. I think it disappeared after the first movie but I'm not 100% sure.
It's in the first two, Anderson removed it on AvP.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2022, 03:48:54 PMSpoiler
the face has it's own unique spin to it that makes it stand out from Mr Black, I wouldn't say this is a new subspecies entirely, more like a member of Black's breed of Yautja, and with more forgiving proportions too.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999743833388613682/1001527433339600986/unknown.png)
It's from a different race from a different hemisphere of Yautja Prime. Dan Trachtenberg confirmed this. So it's a new subspecies essentially. Not remotely a Super Pred like Berserker.
So... just like the Berserkers then? Because they are a subspecies essentially, the "Super Predator" stuff, never actually made it into the final product.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 29, 2022, 05:29:15 PMSo... just like the Berserkers then? Because they are a subspecies essentially, the "Super Predator" stuff, never actually made it into the final product.
I just meant he's not a Predator like Berserker. But with the look of Feral, I'd definitely say he's of a new subspecies entirely.
They're referred to as Super Predators though? Far heavier, bigger and more powerful than the typical Predators we know. What part of that title didn't make it into Predators?
The super part did not make it into the film, at all, just this "the bigger ones hunt the smaller ones some sort of blood feud" from the oh so reliable narrator survivor Nolan.
Sure they are taller but it takes three to do what one does in the prior two films, beating an emaciated prisoner and taking as long as it even does with the Berserker leader versus a Jungle Hunter, does not do their image any favours in that respect either.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 29, 2022, 09:22:32 PMThe super part did not make it into the film, at all, just this "the bigger ones hunt the smaller ones some sort of blood feud" from the oh so reliable narrator survivor Nolan.
Sure they are taller but it takes three to do what one does in the prior two films, beating an emaciated prisoner and taking as long as it even does with the Berserker leader versus a Jungle Hunter, does not do their image any favours in that respect either.
Noland : [to his imaginary friend] You see the shit you've gotten us into, man? I told you that. You never listen to me, though. Six more. Six more f**king mouths to feed. I can barely stand living with you.
Noland : [shouting] How am I gonna live with them, too?
QuoteDan: It was about delivering something new, but not changing it too much. In the iteration phase with the folks at ADI, who worked on the development of the suit, I really said, 'Let's push it. Let's break it first and see what the design looks like when we change it so it doesn't look like a Predator and then step back from that.' I didn't want us to be like, 'Oh, a tweak of the eyebrow here...a tweak of the mandible...' I wanted this to feel like it's an exciting new face to look at.
https://sffgazette.com/sci-fi/movies/prey-interview-with-director-dan-trachtenberg-and-producer-jhane-a1894
So close...
QuoteTo bring his version of the Predator to life, Trachtenberg enlisted the help of SFX legends Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr., who've been intertwined with the franchise since 1987's Predator. The filmmaker reveals that he very nearly didn't bring them on board.
"Honestly, I did think before I met with Tom and Alec, I was like, 'Maybe we should have a young new company that has never done Predator before, that would feel like they could throw down and have something to prove because I love giving people a start.' But then I met with Tom and Alec. And they were undeniably charming, and we've talked a lot about what they had always felt, maybe a little handcuffed by, in previous entries in the franchise and how excited they would be to do something special with this. They are just wonderful people to be around. I've loved so much of their work and all the movies I've watched growing up that I could not help but say yes to them. I think they did go above and beyond in creating something better than anything they've ever done before and certainly in the Predator franchise. Even as far as just movie creatures go, it's just an awesome movie creature."
https://bloody-disgusting.com/interviews/3725065/prey-director-dan-trachtenberg-on-evolving-the-predator-with-the-franchises-longtime-fx-artists-interview/
Shot
I cant get the Spoiler button thing to work.
The most expandable mandibles yet.
Even tho he is a Crabator, the mandible anatomy looks way more wolf like than fugitive like, which means it works with the mouth rather than just having next to it in a really ugly way, since this is meant to be a different type of Pred, I find it acceptable
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:24:49 PMEven tho he is a Crabator, the mandible anatomy looks way more wolf like than fugitive like, which means it works with the mouth rather than just having next to it in a really ugly way, since this is meant to be a different type of Pred, I find it acceptable
This tbh
The worst case of ADI's lack of care for the Mandibles is definitely on the Predalien tho, that design is just terrible imo
It is the combination of the worst takes on both creatures imo.
Too organic
Human mouth and skull
Mandibles are just glued to the cheeks and not connected to the mouth
Again, too organic
Too small
Fugitive had the punched by mike tyson kind of jaw.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:37:02 PMToo organic
Human mouth and skull
Mandibles are just glued to the cheeks and not connected to the mouth
Again, too organic
Too small
I was about to ask "How can a Predator be too organic ? " but then I realised you were talking about Chet lol. To be fair, IIRC more organic look was a studio note. There're BTS photos of Chet maquette with a more biomech look
"Glued to the cheeks" is like the most accurate description
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:27:32 PMThe worst case of ADI's lack of care for the Mandibles is definitely on the Predalien tho, that design is just terrible imo
Still wish we'd had seen what they made before the producers came in and said to change it. It was like some producers kid or something that put the producer off and requested it to look like it does now. Could have my details wrong there.
Alec telling me that story a few years back was always interesting because I could hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice.
This new Predator worked really well for me. It's not my favorite design, but a lot of the complaints most had about ADI Predators doesn't apply to Feral. His mouth may be big, but that's not something that ever bothered me. The technical issues though, I could see and understand, but still never took me out.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:04:25 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:27:32 PMThe worst case of ADI's lack of care for the Mandibles is definitely on the Predalien tho, that design is just terrible imo
Still wish we'd had seen what they made before the producers came in and said to change it. It was like some producers kid or something that put the producer off and requested it to look like it does now. Could have my details wrong there.
Alec telling me that story a few years back was always interesting because I could hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice.
This new Predator worked really well for me. It's not my favorite design, but a lot of the complaints most had about ADI Predators doesn't apply to Feral. His mouth may be big, but that's not something that ever bothered me. The technical issues though, I could see and understand, but still never took me out.
Does his mouth close properly or is it the typical always open look we've become used to seeing?
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 02, 2022, 07:11:26 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:04:25 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:27:32 PMThe worst case of ADI's lack of care for the Mandibles is definitely on the Predalien tho, that design is just terrible imo
Still wish we'd had seen what they made before the producers came in and said to change it. It was like some producers kid or something that put the producer off and requested it to look like it does now. Could have my details wrong there.
Alec telling me that story a few years back was always interesting because I could hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice.
This new Predator worked really well for me. It's not my favorite design, but a lot of the complaints most had about ADI Predators doesn't apply to Feral. His mouth may be big, but that's not something that ever bothered me. The technical issues though, I could see and understand, but still never took me out.
Does his mouth close properly or is it the typical always open look we've become used to seeing?
I thought it closed, but it's been many a years and my memory is never the best.
I smoke too much weed and can't remember a thing!
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:25:04 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 02, 2022, 07:11:26 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:04:25 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:27:32 PMThe worst case of ADI's lack of care for the Mandibles is definitely on the Predalien tho, that design is just terrible imo
Still wish we'd had seen what they made before the producers came in and said to change it. It was like some producers kid or something that put the producer off and requested it to look like it does now. Could have my details wrong there.
Alec telling me that story a few years back was always interesting because I could hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice.
This new Predator worked really well for me. It's not my favorite design, but a lot of the complaints most had about ADI Predators doesn't apply to Feral. His mouth may be big, but that's not something that ever bothered me. The technical issues though, I could see and understand, but still never took me out.
Does his mouth close properly or is it the typical always open look we've become used to seeing?
I thought it closed, but it's been many a years and my memory is never the best.
I smoke too much weed and can't remember a thing!
I was talking about Feral... 😬😅
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 02, 2022, 07:26:37 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:25:04 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 02, 2022, 07:11:26 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:04:25 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:27:32 PMThe worst case of ADI's lack of care for the Mandibles is definitely on the Predalien tho, that design is just terrible imo
Still wish we'd had seen what they made before the producers came in and said to change it. It was like some producers kid or something that put the producer off and requested it to look like it does now. Could have my details wrong there.
Alec telling me that story a few years back was always interesting because I could hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice.
This new Predator worked really well for me. It's not my favorite design, but a lot of the complaints most had about ADI Predators doesn't apply to Feral. His mouth may be big, but that's not something that ever bothered me. The technical issues though, I could see and understand, but still never took me out.
Does his mouth close properly or is it the typical always open look we've become used to seeing?
I thought it closed, but it's been many a years and my memory is never the best.
I smoke too much weed and can't remember a thing!
I was talking about Feral... 😬😅
See! The weed is doing it's thing! Thought we were talking Predalien. 😅🤣
I'd have to see the movie again. I want to say yes they close all the way. I'll know again when I see it Thursday night. I don't recall him looking like Scar with not being able to close his mouth; for example. I could be wrong though. It was a long ass day.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 08:09:15 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 02, 2022, 07:26:37 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:25:04 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 02, 2022, 07:11:26 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 02, 2022, 07:04:25 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 02, 2022, 06:27:32 PMThe worst case of ADI's lack of care for the Mandibles is definitely on the Predalien tho, that design is just terrible imo
Still wish we'd had seen what they made before the producers came in and said to change it. It was like some producers kid or something that put the producer off and requested it to look like it does now. Could have my details wrong there.
Alec telling me that story a few years back was always interesting because I could hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice.
This new Predator worked really well for me. It's not my favorite design, but a lot of the complaints most had about ADI Predators doesn't apply to Feral. His mouth may be big, but that's not something that ever bothered me. The technical issues though, I could see and understand, but still never took me out.
Does his mouth close properly or is it the typical always open look we've become used to seeing?
I thought it closed, but it's been many a years and my memory is never the best.
I smoke too much weed and can't remember a thing!
I was talking about Feral... 😬😅
See! The weed is doing it's thing! Thought we were talking Predalien. 😅🤣
I'd have to see the movie again. I want to say yes they close all the way. I'll know again when I see it Thursday night. I don't recall him looking like Scar with not being able to close his mouth; for example. I could be wrong though. It was a long ass day.
Haha, OK! Not long to wait now anyway. 😬😬😬
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His unmasked look was a little odd. His eyes are further apart and placed higher on his head than the previous designs. The mandibles, although a bit oversized, actually look balanced with the way his face has been constructed. You don't have any of that excess slack hanging from the skin of his jaws, but he does look like a slightly exaggerated version of a Predator.
Lots of new footage of Feral here. Plus his weapons.
Man oh man, why in the world did they arrange the mandibles to be practically floating on the outside of his face. It looks like a video game glitch. :o As soon as I start getting excited with new footage I notice those mandibles...
But ya know what...f**k it. Mandibles are trash, but the portrayal of Feral is looking top notch
I think those are the best ADI has made so far
With CGI clean-up help.
Yeah, the mandibles do him no favours.
I can't wait to see it in motion.
Whoah...umm, he looks even more out there than Mr. Black, probably my most disliked aspect of a really solid film I otherwise enjoyed immensely, talking about Prey of course
Now to be fair, humans from different regions can have very different facial structure. For example, this Scandinavian (https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/face-young-blond-scandinavian-man-thinking-against-black-background-studio-shot-young-handsome-scandinavian-man-blond-182066390.jpg) and this Mongolian (https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I000030f7gUkpUEI/fit=1000x750/103425-Mongolian-man.jpg) and this West African (https://mybrothertraveler.com/africa/benin/AF_02/14Benin%20-%20Koussou-Kovangou%20-%20village%20of%20Somba%20People%20-%20man%20of%20the%20house%20-%20tattoo_2002DSCN0595.JPG), but Feral kinda looked like an entirely different species. Loved his masked design and all his weaponry, but the face really distracted me.
I am not a fan of Feral's face but everything else was just so good that I just am not really hung-up on the face like I was with The Predator and other ADI efforts in the AvP films.
My thought around the difference in the face is maybe he is what the equivalent is for our Neanderthals?
I think the differences are still well within race to race variations. Hell even members of the same race can have vastly different placement of facial features (eyes too narrow, too far apart etc). So for me, that explanation is fine
However, I still don't like the face because it's just not what we're used to when it comes to a predator... I'm really hoping I can come around on it as it's one of my few gripes I have with the movie
I don't see the need to change the face so drastically, it's not scarier or more ferocious than previous predator face designs, it's just different. Having the eye placement be similar to previous designs wouldn't have made Feral any less terrifying
I would also just add that it's a design problem rather than an execution problem, I have no problem with the approach they took to making the face come to life
Quote from: Doomofman on Aug 05, 2022, 01:37:55 PMI would also just add that it's a design problem rather than an execution problem, I have no problem with the approach they took to making the face come to life
Would be interesting to know who came up with the initial design drawings and their drivers for making Feral look like he does.
I thought it looked hideous... more than what the 80's could accomplish... so I thought it was great!
I only had a small screen to watch on so I couldn't see if the CGI was any good or not
Id argue some of my least favourite pred faces like Scar and even the Super Preds still look somewhat Predator-ish
This was a bridge too far in terms of design, almost like another alien species that convergently evolved mandibles
I liked the design of the head, made me think of some of Stan Winston's original concept art. Im glad it kept more of the crown/ridge around the head, something that I disliked in the super predator design.
The only thing I really disliked was the upper teeth and the position of the eyes, aside from that, I'm okay with the design, inbtw the Supers, Scar's, Classics and City Hunter's type, this looks fine imo, he kinda looks like a hybrid of one of Scar's clan and the Supers.
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Given how we see Feral upscale his hunting targets, starts with a snake, ends with hunting humans. It would have been cool to see him show that evolution by displaying the skulls (snake, wolf, bear, human) on a bandolier.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 05, 2022, 02:59:38 PMSpoiler
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Scar's eyes so derpy
Feral could just be a "horse-faced" predator
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(https://sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/07.jpg)
As someone who's banged on about mandibles more than a crazy crab owner....
It just goes to show, if the movie is good, it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
One thing here, there's no shot where I think .....that looks like a plastic mask. Some iffy CGI? Maybe, but nothing game breaking.
Coolest masked predator? .....must be close.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 05, 2022, 04:52:10 PMAs someone who's banged on about mandibles more than a crazy crab owner....
It just goes to show, if the movie is good, it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
One thing here, there's no shot where I think .....that looks like a plastic mask. Some iffy CGI? Maybe, but nothing game breaking.
Coolest masked predator? .....must be close.
Looked like the face was fully CGI... I didn't see any questionable mandible movements.
Can't say I'm a big fan of the face however I dug the whole mask/mandible look.
I get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
Quote from: Darkseed on Aug 05, 2022, 05:35:53 PMI get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
I'll need to watch it again to see the difference between the two and when each one is on screen.
He looks too little like a Predator, and too much like the artists unique art style
https://www.instagram.com/michael_vincent_art/?hl=en
It almost feels stylized, like an homage to a predator but not one
(love it with mask on though)
I like it. It looks like a middle ground between "new" and "old" without leaning into Super-Predator shit or being a copy of Mr. Black. Of course, the CGI makes it look bad at times. His face gives this primal/savage feel. Looks unique to me. When I saw his face, my first reaction was literally "you're seriously one ugly motherf**ker" ;D
Don't worry lads, they've got hundreds of years before they meet Dutch so mother nature can fix their faces :laugh:
...except their lifespan is supposed to be in the 100s of years. You can't put this one down to evolution, I'm afraid.
Yeah the eyes aren't doing it for me I'm afraid. Too far apart for me. Looks a little too animalistic. It really does look like an attempt to redesign the creature, that than make some alterations to the established look.
Quote from: Car1os on Aug 05, 2022, 07:03:58 PM...except their lifespan is supposed to be in the 100s of years. You can't put this one down to evolution, I'm afraid.
Well, plastic surgery is always an option
Pretty obvious this is a different breed or species of yautja, its not the ones we have seen before.
Just think of it as Jungle Hunter is like the Predator Ryan Reynolds whereas Feral is like a Predator Steve Buscemi
My take on it
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Quote from: Doomofman on Aug 05, 2022, 07:15:27 PMJust think of it as Jungle Hunter is like the Predator Ryan Reynolds whereas Feral is like a Predator Steve Buscemi
We need a ;D reaction.
Quote from: Darkseed on Aug 05, 2022, 05:35:53 PMI get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
Alec told me they used practical and cgi, but to me the face looked mostly cgi. Hard to tell in the dark shots.
I think they used practical in the final scene where he's aiming his bolt-gun at Naru while being stuck in the swamp
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 07:28:41 PMQuote from: Darkseed on Aug 05, 2022, 05:35:53 PMI get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
Alec told me they used practical and cgi, but to me the face looked mostly cgi. Hard to tell in the dark shots.
Possibly practical with CGI on top too.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 05, 2022, 07:36:00 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 07:28:41 PMQuote from: Darkseed on Aug 05, 2022, 05:35:53 PMI get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 05, 2022, 07:36:00 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 07:28:41 PMQuote from: Darkseed on Aug 05, 2022, 05:35:53 PMI get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
Alec told me they used practical and cgi, but to me the face looked mostly cgi. Hard to tell in the dark shots.
Possibly practical with CGI on top too.
Alec told me they used practical and cgi, but to me the face looked mostly cgi. Hard to tell in the dark shots.
Possibly practical with CGI on top too.
Yeah, there's shots where it's definitely one or the other. But I didn't catch much of a hybrid because of how dark it was. Watching it for a 3rd time tonight on my own tv and might be able to catch things better.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 07:47:49 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 05, 2022, 07:36:00 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 07:28:41 PMQuote from: Darkseed on Aug 05, 2022, 05:35:53 PMI get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 05, 2022, 07:36:00 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 07:28:41 PMQuote from: Darkseed on Aug 05, 2022, 05:35:53 PMI get the feeling that the CGI face and the costume face are a bit different, whenever it's the CGI it looks like too much of a horse, but with the costume, it feels better.
I might be wrong
Alec told me they used practical and cgi, but to me the face looked mostly cgi. Hard to tell in the dark shots.
Possibly practical with CGI on top too.
Alec told me they used practical and cgi, but to me the face looked mostly cgi. Hard to tell in the dark shots.
Possibly practical with CGI on top too.
Yeah, there's shots where it's definitely one or the other. But I didn't catch much of a hybrid because of how dark it was. Watching it for a 3rd time tonight on my own tv and might be able to catch things better.
It's still quite dark in 4K. Might try adjusting the brightness for the next viewing.
Any good HD screencaps of the Feral maskless out there?
The unmasked portion was not good imo, maybe up there with the worst. However the movie was so good I didn't care. The mandibles didn't bother me at all though even for being open all the time.
The masked predator is excellent and amazingly executed.
Wasn't a problem for me, certainly didn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie.
I don't get the point in going that far out of the design space. It didn't detract but did add to my feeling that I wasn't watching a Predator.
Feral's facial design was definitely. .. something else. Looks properly nasty but not sure if I like it
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 05, 2022, 07:19:45 PMMy take on it
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An improvement for sure.
I absolutely hate the face, it is just funny looking, not scary.
Otherwise I LOVED the film.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 05, 2022, 09:40:39 PMI absolutely hate the face, it is just funny looking, not scary.
Otherwise I LOVED the film.
It kinda looks like a fish haha, I appreciate that it's an homage to this tho
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I didn't like it unfortunately. Looked too different and more like a weird derpy version of a predalien. Really wish they would have done a Predator 2 style face. Mask was cool tho. Showing the mandibles was a nice touch
It's weird cause I do miss the classic design for its aesthetic beauty, but at the same time, cause the movie was that good, I - like others, didn't care. Also it was so ugly it was almost cool? After the first two original designs, this is my second in ranking, cause I didn't like the AVP designs, and it's a tad better for its grotesqueness than the Predators design that I do like to some extent.
And I always like references to the original concept art pieces.
Feral and every other major Predator face
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Another reason why I'm mostly fine with Feral being a thing is that he isn't meant to be like the original or be a stronger version of them, he isn't a redesign like Scar and Fugitive or a one up like Mr Black and Assassin, he is his own thing which is essentially
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confirmed to be weaker than Elder/Greyback
I didn't dislike it, and I thought it worked well for the design overall, but it is definitely a big change to the standard predator visage. The super predator faces looked out of proportion, whereas this didn't, but it isn't something you'd automatically think of as a predator.
Gives major Halo Elite vibes
One genuinely ugly motherf**ker, Naru did everyone a massive favour caving that head in, Predator neanderthal.
Honestly... I dug the face. Never really had a problem with various individuals looking pretty radically different from one another, and this almost feels to me like a better executed version of the sort of design philosophy they were going for with Berserker's face. It really wouldn't be hard for me to headcanon that this guy and Berserker's clan come from the same part of the Predator homeworld, even.
But mostly, I just thought the Predator had a pretty gnarly personality, and a face to match. It worked for me.
Lord almighty VodooMagic, wherever he is, must be having a stroke with these new images.
Honestly now when I look at Feral, he makes me think of what a Neanderthal Predator would look like.
VM's FW
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For once I'd agree with him.
Miss him, he was a great member here.
Yeah, to me this predator/yautja is a different breed or a neadertal version of the normal predator, the berserker is also a different breed in my eyes.
Dan Trachtenberg should have reached out to me. I could have helped with the design. :P
I think it was Dan's idea, God love him but, it's the best executed since the first two aside from perhaps Berserker but a design so utterly abysmal it makes me want for Scar and Wolf and Fugitive.
I think if your design is radical enough you could pass it off as a ripoff you've gone too far, and I think this hits the mark.
quite liked the design.
Felt credible as belonging to a different race of Predator. ..and till very much recognizable as.. a Predator.
Just a guy from another continent.
And a very ugly motherf**ker, indeed..
this absurd obsession with wanting every single predator to just look like the same dude.... every time...
Bizarre. This is what got us the absolutely boring "CLASSIC" in Predators... because the fans wanted to clap like seals to something they recognized.
oh and...
Best Predator work by ADI. Easily.
Classic sucks, dude can't even close his mouth, nevermind the repeated design, but I will take anything over the goldfish head we got here.
Even if the execution's near perfect.
The first two Predators are radically different in colour, patterns, textures, details, but built from the same framework.
You don't need to reinvent the wheel nor do you need to slavishly follow the past. There's a fertile middle ground.
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The mouth doesn't bother me, and I'm very okay with the mandibles because they serve the mask, and the mask is great.
But f**k me, that eye placement...
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QuoteI didn't really forget. Ok people, I've started my new solo venture , Studio Gillis!
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I'm looking forward to carrying on the same innovative work that ADI has become synonymous with.
What about Tom Woodruff, you ask? Ask him! This my announcement dammit. Ok I'll speak for him. He's moving forward with his film projects as a writer/director/ producer and will be more hands on as an artist. He ain't done yet, folks!
And what of the venerable ADI? We will have news on that front that you'll find interesting! Stay tuned...
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Just shared this in the general A/P boards. Curious to what is to come!
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Just shared this in the general A/P boards. Curious to what is to come!
Hopefully I get my wish of a WETA FX/Digital designed Predator
Sounds like the end of ADI, end of an Era. Althought it sounds like it will continue in spirit.
Glad Gillis is still going, I loved their work on Prey.
How does that thing have short range vision with its eyes so far apart and so much fatty tissue in the way like damn.
The biggest negative for me with the cgi face is the eyes 100%, spacing aside, with most of the previous practical masks they had cutouts around the eyes and dark makeup blended into the mask which allowed the actors eyes to remain visible, this was something that I feel really added an extra layer of realism and depth to the mask especially with Jungle and City Hunter.
The cgi eyes in this remind me of the Jake Sully character from Avatar or something, can't quite put my finger on what it is but they just don't look very Predator like, the rest of the face is fine though I reckon including the handling of the mandibles.
Like others have said it's really a small issue considering about 95% of the movie features him wearing the mask which looks absolutely fantastic.
Definitely not a fan of Feral's face design, when I get the NECA figure I'll be keeping him perpetually masked up. He made the Super Predators from 'Predators' look downright pedestrian.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 05, 2022, 10:06:01 PMGives major Halo Elite vibes
I KNEW it reminded me of something!
Quote from: judge death on Aug 05, 2022, 10:47:41 PMMiss him, he was a great member here.
Yeah, to me this predator/yautja is a different breed or a neadertal version of the normal predator, the berserker is also a different breed in my eyes.
Berserker is like a Neanderthal
Feral is like Homo Erectus
He looks like if you morphed the Boov from Home with a Predator. It doesn't work. Honestly I wish they kept the mask on the whole film. The visual is creepier when we don't know what's underneath.
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 02:14:27 AMQuote from: judge death on Aug 05, 2022, 10:47:41 PMMiss him, he was a great member here.
Yeah, to me this predator/yautja is a different breed or a neadertal version of the normal predator, the berserker is also a different breed in my eyes.
Berserker is like a Neanderthal
Feral is like Homo Erectus
The filmmakers said behind the scenes that it is the same species but inhabiting another hemisphere of their home world (my take is like comparing Americans to Africans). Just paraphrasing though.
Where's
@Omegamorph with his snake gallery when you need it.
I think we're just saying...Feral looks real "special", especially the eyes imo
Between that and not knowing how his gear worked I do wonder if he's the special Ed kid they thought they were dropping off in a nice easy place with rabbits and snakes and realised too late he was in trouble.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 02:40:20 AMWhere's @Omegamorph with his snake gallery when you need it.
Oh yes I saw those pictures. A top tier post from
@Omegamorph without a doubt. Biology and reptiles seems to be one of his specialties, not to mention that he has a Ph.D. in monsters. 8)
Also, I think we need to make a taxonomic group or something for the Predator with all the creatures we have so far.
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the special ed interpretation makes sense
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if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he should understand that even if his mask is pointing way off, the projectile guidance only takes over at a certain distance from the weapon muzzle, so you can still maybe pull off a short-range shot by pointing the weapon at the target and firing, the guidance would of course mess up long-range shots.
but did make him look very careless, or maybe he is the Pred equivalent of a "special" individual
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 02:59:14 AMthe special ed interpretation makes sense
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if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he should understand that even if his mask is pointing way off, the projectile guidance only takes over at a certain distance from the weapon muzzle, so you can still maybe pull off a short-range shot by pointing the weapon at the target and firing, the guidance would of course mess up long-range shots.
but did make him look very careless, or maybe he is the Pred equivalent of a "special" individual
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It gets established earlier that the "special features" activate/deactivate in proximity to the mask, so presumably his thinking was that since the mask is gone, it'll just fire straight.
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It gets established earlier that the "special features" activate/deactivate in proximity to the mask, so presumably his thinking was that since the mask is gone, it'll just fire straight.
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When? The only time we see him shooting without the mask it misses. When does it establish that it's proximity?
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The spear/club behaving unexpectedly in proximity to him. It's not conveyed super clearly but it's the same type of detail that comes up again the film uses a lot of, which imo kind of expect one to infer something significant from very limited information, rather than outright demonstrating it - which is a questionable choice in a movie that's paced the way it is.
I have to say..
I would of taken this movie for what it is. I truly would have. The movie did a great job establishing itself as a good predator movie.
But... why do they need to do Stan Winston a disservice and disrespect him by changing his design.
I mean what the hell, honestly, why did they need to change the face!?... it takes all validity away.
It's unfortunate I'll never see another predator movie with predator in it.
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I didn't think that was a special feature activating so much as the Predator remotely controlling it.
It's too vague if that's what they were actually going for - and it's not at all clear that's because of the mask specifically.
I think the main concern should be with the design of Ferel's face..
why do they need to do Stan Winston a disservice and disrespect him by changing his design.
why did they need to change the face!?... it takes all validity away. The design change was to extreme to brush off.
It's unfortunate I'll never see another predator movie with predator in it.
He looked like Cher was about to give him a hug and say her goodbyes.
Good movie though.
Is this what Predators looked like before they started injecting themselves with our autism?
There's an awful joke in there somewhere about chromosomes but I'm not touching it.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 04:04:17 AMSpoiler
I didn't think that was a special feature activating so much as the Predator remotely controlling it.
It's too vague if that's what they were actually going for - and it's not at all clear that's because of the mask specifically.
Yeah, it's extremely vague, and maybe it's just me, but I really got the feeling that was the assumption the film wanted me to make when the later stuff happened.
Whatever the case, the optics are that
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Feral comes off reckless if not stupid
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 05:28:15 AMWhatever the case, the optics are that
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Feral comes off reckless if not stupid
Absolutely, and I think I've found a happy explanation for myself in the User Reviews thread.
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It's not his first hunt on earth, it's his first hunt - period.
Okay, one thing that really bothered me was the design of the fingers and hands during the scene Feral is attending to his wounds. It reminded me of the hot dog fingers from Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Maybe I missed, but did the mask supply this Predator with breathing gases? Or has that been totally forgotten/retconned?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2022, 05:37:25 AMMaybe I missed, but did the mask supply this Predator with breathing gases? Or has that been totally forgotten/retconned?
I don't think the movies ever really established that. Why would they take off their masks for a fight if they needed them for breathing? City Hunter uses his breathing apparatus after being shot a few times, but it wasn't meant to help with breathing. That's how I've always seen it.
The masks always supplied gases. Removing them always involved unplugging what we assume is life support.
Like presumably they can manage without but it's not ideal.
It's been gone a while now, hasn't it?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 05:51:18 AMThe masks always supplied gases. Removing them always involved unplugging what we assume is life support.
Like presumably they can manage without but it's not ideal.
It's been gone a while now, hasn't it?
I kinda assumed they were unplugging a link to the shoulder pack kind of thing. Like unplugging a computer. But yeah, you do hear an atmospheric hiss once he unplugs. Probably could have been a bit of both.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 05:51:18 AMThe masks always supplied gases. Removing them always involved unplugging what we assume is life support.
Like presumably they can manage without but it's not ideal.
It's been gone a while now, hasn't it?
That's why I'm asking the Predator pundits. Did these things stop needing breathing masks after they started juicing autism?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 06, 2022, 05:58:26 AMI kinda assumed they were unplugging a link to the shoulder pack kind of thing. Like unplugging a computer. But yeah, you do hear an atmospheric hiss once he unplugs. Probably could have been a bit of both.
You don't just hear it, you
see gases coming out.
There are two cables traditionally, I think. Presumably one connects to the gauntlet, the other to life support.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2022, 06:00:13 AMThat's why I'm asking the Predator pundits. Did these things stop needing breathing masks after they started juicing autism?
No, pretty sure
Predators ditched them first for the Super Predators.
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 04:07:20 AMI think the main concern should be with the design of Ferel's face..
why do they need to do Stan Winston a disservice and disrespect him by changing his design.
why did they need to change the face!?... it takes all validity away. The design change was to extreme to brush off.
It's unfortunate I'll never see another predator movie with predator in it.
I'm not sure why they feel the need to keep changing the facial structure. It's disrespectful to what Stans team achieved.
We don't even need to get to disrespect, it's just bizarre that you'd bother to tell a film in this franchise but so clearly think that the central antagonist wasn't good enough for you.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 06:03:19 AMNo, pretty sure Predators ditched them first for the Super Predators.
Will you restore them in 2030?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 06:09:49 AMWe don't even need to get to disrespect, it's just bizarre that you'd bother to tell a film in this franchise but so clearly think that the central antagonist wasn't good enough for you.
Yeah. It keeps happening though. Will we ever see a true Predator again? :-\
This wouldve been a fine "Feral" face
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...or even this
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You bet your ass I will
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 06, 2022, 06:12:06 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 06:09:49 AMWe don't even need to get to disrespect, it's just bizarre that you'd bother to tell a film in this franchise but so clearly think that the central antagonist wasn't good enough for you.
Yeah. It keeps happening though. Will we ever see a true Predator again? :-\
It reminds me of how nostalgic I feel to see Big Chap's design in a new Alien movie, which never happens.
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 06:48:09 AMThis wouldve been a fine "Feral" face
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...or even this
But that's... City Hunter.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 06, 2022, 07:13:16 AMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 06, 2022, 06:12:06 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 06:09:49 AMWe don't even need to get to disrespect, it's just bizarre that you'd bother to tell a film in this franchise but so clearly think that the central antagonist wasn't good enough for you.
Yeah. It keeps happening though. Will we ever see a true Predator again? :-\
It reminds me of how nostalgic I feel to see Big Chap's design in a new Alien movie, which never happens.
IF I see big chap on the big screen again I will pay to see it 10 times in the cinema, and cheer every time. :D
Careful what you wish for ...
We almost got a Big Chap-esque xeno in Blomkamp's film, even got to photograph the ADI maquette and it looked great. But the film on the other hand, sounded like a hot mess. Probably good we didn't get it.
It had arms growing out of its chest.
Give me actual big chap.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 07:41:09 AMGive me actual big chap.
This.
One thing I liked about avpr was to see the ridge head/warrior type alien back. :D
Quote from: judge death on Aug 06, 2022, 07:42:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 07:41:09 AMGive me actual big chap.
This.
One thing I liked about avpr was to see the ridge head/warrior type alien back. :D
They were a fleshy mess though tbh, even though I like aspects of the heads.
Yep, wasnt the same which is a shame, but the ridge head design at least was a nice thing to a otherwise mediocer movie.
I've always assumed the change in predators face and mouth design came from Paul W.S Anderson's idea of humanising scar making his chin bigger and moving out the mandibles and for some reason maybe they the highest budget for making the animatronic skeleton and they just kept making new molds skins to put on top of scar predators animatronics over the years.
The flappy skin might be because of the latex getting soft, maybe stan Winston used a different type of latex on classic predator. Might be materials which today are no longer produced also because of environmental reasons, or they just shot the scenes for the original 1987 predator with the face fresh baked from the oven. My opinion is they should use some totally different material on the skin that connects the upper and lover mandible like rubber so it can expand and retract naturally and use latex for the rest of the face somehow.
In the original film the mouth doesn't open as wide, so the latex doesn't need to stretch as much. From AvP onwards they wanted really wide open mandibles so either you stretch the material or need extra to accommodate.
Posted in the reviews thread - but the biggest issue with the face I have is how divisive it's going to be.
I think it's more in-line with the original concepts; but some people aren't going to be happy that he doesn't look like JH/CH.
It's now canon that Greyback gets the pistol somehow; so I like the idea that there are variations amongst the species. I don't like things from the other films like upgrading or stem cell soup etc. But the idea that they will have different features isn't at all dissimilar from every species around.
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I spoke with someone who worked on the film and they mentioned that there were slight cracks designed in the mask that were originally going to glow from within like burning embers. This was achieved through a practical effect using LED light strips but the look was ultimately discarded by the director. I personally like the idea of this bone faceplate pulsing with energy from the tech it houses underneath. They did also mention there was more detail to Feral's equipment that didn't make it into the movie, like his medpack (which would light up and was a functional practical effect). If this ever gets a Blu-Ray release I would love to see more of the work that went into creating him. The folks at ADI did a bang-up job.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Aug 06, 2022, 08:30:38 AMthe idea that they will have different features isn't at all dissimilar from every species around.
exactly.
If peeps from this forum were aliens and had just landed on earth, most wouldn't believe that Peter Dinklage is human. :'( :laugh:
Peter Dinklage still has fairly normal facial features. We aren't talking height and build here.
I'm not sure where I stand yet regarding the face. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Need to watch it again.
I think it's probably on par with Predators. It's not as good as P1/P2 or Wolf, but I think I prefer it to The Predators rubber.
I think I put it slightly above Mr. Black for now, but then again, I'll rewatch it later this evening.
I think people forget that in The Predator we get an explanation for why predators vary in appearance. They literally splice and mess with their DNA in order to adapt and make themselves better hunters. So of course you are going to have some weird looking ones.
Oh nooooooooo
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 08:15:14 AMIn the original film the mouth doesn't open as wide, so the latex doesn't need to stretch as much. From AvP onwards they wanted really wide open mandibles so either you stretch the material or need extra to accommodate.
Well sure.. but how come in Predators we have classic predator from the same mold as the original 1987 predator has the flappy cheek flesh. It could be the opposite that they use to much latex and mold it with the mouth open and when it closes it gets flappy. I think to achieve the same effect as Stan Winston did they need to try different materials, like i said rubber could maybe work better as a material that can stretch but keeps it naturally stiff.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 06, 2022, 06:08:28 AMQuote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 04:07:20 AMI think the main concern should be with the design of Ferel's face..
why do they need to do Stan Winston a disservice and disrespect him by changing his design.
why did they need to change the face!?... it takes all validity away. The design change was to extreme to brush off.
It's unfortunate I'll never see another predator movie with predator in it.
I'm not sure why they feel the need to keep changing the facial structure. It's disrespectful to what Stans team achieved.
Exactly right, if the intent is to deliberately change the predators face to such an drastic extreme as they did than that is disrespectful to Winston's original design. (Which has defined predator since 87')
Not only that, as I was saying before, the drastic change for me made this feel less like a predator and more like a new alien in its own movie rather than a new take on predator.
For me the new design was distracting and just plain bad.
It literally looked like an Elite from HALO, not Predator. Different species or from a different hemisphere of predator home planet, will never convince me that this new drastically different face is predator. Unfortunately for a good movie, they have failed on this front.
It is unfortunate that with all this movies success, we will never see another predator movie with predator in it again..
Totally felt like a predator to me, just didn't like the face.
Was more predator-like than mister black.
Watched the movie a second time this morning (Comanche dub this time around) and honestly, I'm still all in on the face. Maybe even more so this time around. Fits this sadistic jackass of a Predator to a tee. Feral, indeed.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 01:45:48 PMWatched the movie a second time this morning (Comanche dub this time around) and honestly, I'm still all in on the face. Maybe even more so this time around. Fits this sadistic jackass of a Predator to a tee. Feral, indeed.
Listen maybe I'm the one who is looking at this all wrong here. But I'm not judging this predator's personality or hunting habits or movements or body design. Strictly the face. It just doesn't look anything remotely close to a predator as I have been introduced to by Winston and Mctiernan.
It is so far drastically different that to me that it feels as if it is a new alien all together. This isn't a comparison to Mr. Black which was another bad design change. I am going by Stan Winstons design, being that is the true Predator design.
This is a picture of Ferel and an alien Elite from Halo. Which to me is closer to this design in comparison.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 06, 2022, 11:20:42 AMI think it's probably on par with Predators. It's not as good as P1/P2 or Wolf, but I think I prefer it to The Predators rubber.
How about puppy-eyed Scar？
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 01:56:12 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 01:45:48 PMWatched the movie a second time this morning (Comanche dub this time around) and honestly, I'm still all in on the face. Maybe even more so this time around. Fits this sadistic jackass of a Predator to a tee. Feral, indeed.
Listen maybe I'm the one who is looking at this all wrong here. But I'm not judging this predator's personality or hunting habits or movements or body design. Strictly the face. It just doesn't look anything remotely close to a predator as I have been introduced to by Winston and Mctiernan.
It is so far drastically different that to me that it feels as if it is a new alien all together. This isn't a comparison to Mr. Black which was another bad design change. I am going by Stan Winstons design, being that is the true Predator design.
This is a picture of Ferel and an alien Elite from Halo. Which to me is closer to this design in comparison.
Eh. It has the mandibles, the dreads, and the other fixtures, but executed in a new way; it feels like another individual from the species to me. Explain it away as coming from a different part of the planet or whatever, the nitty gritty of
why it looks exactly the way it does (in-universe) really doesn't matter much to me. I dig the look, it fits this guy's personality, and that's... it, really. I'd honestly say that it is ADI's best work on a Predator by far. I'd much rather see something taking the core elements of the design and doing them in a new way like this, than something trying to go for the classic style and missing the mark on the execution like, say, AVP's Predators.
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 01:59:29 PMQuote from: Highland on Aug 06, 2022, 11:20:42 AMI think it's probably on par with Predators. It's not as good as P1/P2 or Wolf, but I think I prefer it to The Predators rubber.
How about puppy-eyed Scar？
Let's face it Scar was a disaster.
The thing here is you can't really pinpoint things and say "this looks shit compared too...." Because it's literally a different face altogether.
Like I said pre release, I don't mind different if it's done well and I think they achieved that here.
I wasn't looking at Feral thinking ( like I usually do) "this is just another shit attempt at P1 and looks like a rubber prop with janky Mandibles"
I kinda just rolled with this one.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 06, 2022, 02:13:29 PMLike I said pre release, I don't mind different if it's done well and I think they achieved that here.
I wasn't looking at Feral thinking ( like I usually do) "this is just another shit attempt at P1 and looks like a rubber prop with janky Mandibles"
I kinda just rolled with this one.
Feral could be the Yautja equivalent of horse-faced Lovecraft
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/H._P._Lovecraft%2C_June_1934.jpg)
The thing about Feral that makes him acceptable is that he isn't meant to be a "superior" (Like Berserkers and Assassin) or the same version (Scar, Fugitive) as Jungle Hunter, he is his own separate thing
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 02:17:03 PMQuote from: Highland on Aug 06, 2022, 02:13:29 PMLike I said pre release, I don't mind different if it's done well and I think they achieved that here.
I wasn't looking at Feral thinking ( like I usually do) "this is just another shit attempt at P1 and looks like a rubber prop with janky Mandibles"
I kinda just rolled with this one.
Feral could be the Yautja equivalent of horse-faced Lovecraft
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Feral's face aint that wonky
Still say he is Yautja Lovecraft
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I have to echo the sentiment that it looks more like one of these guys than a Predator to me.
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Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 02:27:06 PMFeral's face aint that wonky
Still say he is Yautja Lovecraft
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/H._P._Lovecraft%2C_June_1934.jpg
H. Predator Lovecraft ?
Lets nickname him: arbiter predator! XD Yeah his face look more like a different alien species like elits than a predator.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 02:10:20 PMI'd much rather see something taking the core elements of the design and doing them in a new way like this, than something trying to go for the classic style and missing the mark on the execution like, say, AVP's Predators.
Why cant we have both? Swap the arbiter predator with the standard predator and do the rest exactly the same in the movie: perfect.
I think the face design of Feral Predator deserved its own topic and a place for us as fans to discuss.
This is strictly a discussion comparison for the new design of Feral's face vs Stan Winstons original 1987 face design.
Stan Winston's original design has defined the Predator.
His design has established the look and face of a Predator since its original 1987 movie release and has helped establish the foundation for the Predators fame, popularity and success. That indistinguishable Predator face immediately became an iconic villain which stood out in comparison to other designs of the same genre. That legendary face and design, using practical effects has stood the test of time and is still recognizable and revered to this day.
That being said. In my opinion, the drastic change in the Predators face design for me made this feel less like a Predator and more like a new alien in its own movie rather than a new take on Predator.
Throughout Prey there are call backs to the original, with the intention of bridging Prey to the original movies while building new lore (which was great btw) but after seeing Feral's face, as a lifelong fan of Predator I felt no familiarity to this design choice which to say the least was, unrecognizable and distracting.
When they decided to intentionally reinvent the original design, they lost the Predators established identifying features in which made it so unique and special. They lost what made Predator a Predator.
The argument or justification that this Feral Predator is a different species or from a different hemisphere of the Predator home planet, will never convince me that this new drastically different face is indeed a Predator. Being that I did enjoy this movie as a whole, unfortunately it has failed drastically on this front.
Once again, The Winston design solidified the look of Predator, giving this unique alien an identity. I am all for changes and variations to alter or even compliment the original design intent for all future movies, but this new Feral design in my opinion did not do that at all. Infact, I think it is obvious when I say I do not believe the intention for Feral was to follow or alter the original established design but to create something drastically new by all means. In the process, in my opinion, unfortunately this new take and new face for Predator is too extreme and too different and for that it is not only a failure as a design but a disservice to an amazing original iconic Stan Winston design.
In closing, with Preys deserved critic acclaim and fan reception, I believe we will never again see another Predator movie with the true Winston Predator in it. That is the worst impact of all.
My thoughts on the design and strictly just the design?
https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0?t=90
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 01:35:01 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 06, 2022, 06:08:28 AMQuote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 04:07:20 AMI think the main concern should be with the design of Ferel's face..
why do they need to do Stan Winston a disservice and disrespect him by changing his design.
why did they need to change the face!?... it takes all validity away. The design change was to extreme to brush off.
It's unfortunate I'll never see another predator movie with predator in it.
I'm not sure why they feel the need to keep changing the facial structure. It's disrespectful to what Stans team achieved.
Exactly right, if the intent is to deliberately change the predators face to such an drastic extreme as they did than that is disrespectful to Winston's original design. (Which has defined predator since 87')
Not only that, as I was saying before, the drastic change for me made this feel less like a predator and more like a new alien in its own movie rather than a new take on predator.
For me the new design was distracting and just plain bad.
It literally looked like an Elite from HALO, not Predator. Different species or from a different hemisphere of predator home planet, will never convince me that this new drastically different face is predator. Unfortunately for a good movie, they have failed on this front.
It is unfortunate that with all this movies success, we will never see another predator movie with predator in it again..
Goddam side by side, Feral just doesn't look like a Predator. It's just too far different from the others. Damn shame.
From what I've read with interviews from Trachtenberg, he started out with the idea that the concept artists should start off with drawing creatures which were NOT the Predator, and he reeled it back each time to make it something which resembled a Predator...
If you ask me, this was... the wrong way to approach the design of the creature for this film.
skhelter haha love that, well played
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 03:28:20 PMFrom what I've read with interviews from Trachtenberg, he started out with the idea that the concept artists should start off with drawing creatures which were NOT the Predator, and he reeled it back each time to make it something which resembled a Predator...
If you ask me, this was... the wrong way to approach the design of the creature for this film.
I haven't heard that, and I have to agree with you. Absolutely wrong approach.
All they had to do was start with Winstons design. Work with what made Predator what it is today.
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 03:29:10 PMI haven't heard that, and I have to agree with you. Absolutely wrong approach.
I haven't watched the movie, so I have no opinion on it aside from a few things which I read that they did. The design on this Predator being one of them.
To me... this makes the Super Predators look acceptable by comparison and I have very strong opinions about the Super Predators. This is the equivalent of what Godzilla 1998 is to the original 1954 Godzilla.
This isn't a Predator. It's a Sanghelli that's been retooled to attempt look like a Predator.
To port over my overall thoughts from the other face thread:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 02:10:20 PMQuote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 01:56:12 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 01:45:48 PMWatched the movie a second time this morning (Comanche dub this time around) and honestly, I'm still all in on the face. Maybe even more so this time around. Fits this sadistic jackass of a Predator to a tee. Feral, indeed.
Listen maybe I'm the one who is looking at this all wrong here. But I'm not judging this predator's personality or hunting habits or movements or body design. Strictly the face. It just doesn't look anything remotely close to a predator as I have been introduced to by Winston and Mctiernan.
It is so far drastically different that to me that it feels as if it is a new alien all together. This isn't a comparison to Mr. Black which was another bad design change. I am going by Stan Winstons design, being that is the true Predator design.
This is a picture of Ferel and an alien Elite from Halo. Which to me is closer to this design in comparison.
Eh. It has the mandibles, the dreads, and the other fixtures, but executed in a new way; it feels like another individual from the species to me. Explain it away as coming from a different part of the planet or whatever, the nitty gritty of why it looks exactly the way it does (in-universe) really doesn't matter much to me. I dig the look, it fits this guy's personality, and that's... it, really. I'd honestly say that it is ADI's best work on a Predator by far. I'd much rather see something taking the core elements of the design and doing them in a new way like this, than something trying to go for the classic style and missing the mark on the execution like, say, AVP's Predators.
I dig it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 03:34:16 PMQuote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 03:29:10 PMI haven't heard that, and I have to agree with you. Absolutely wrong approach.
I haven't watched the movie, so I have no opinion on it aside from a few things which I read that they did. The design on this Predator being one of them.
To me... this makes the Super Predators look acceptable by comparison and I have very strong opinions about the Super Predators. This is the equivalent of what Godzilla 1998 is to the original 1954 Godzilla.
This isn't a Predator. It's a Sanghelli that's been retooled to attempt look like a Predator.
You are 100% right, literally exactly what I thought.
I've always liked Mr Black's face for being just
so different from what we'd seen a Predator face to be up until that point, while still retaining all the trademark features you've got to have to still look even remotely like a Predator. Though part of why I never had any trouble accepting that design is because the movie flat-out says "these guys are different from the regular Predators" in a way that Prey doesn't.
So as far as the two most "out there" designs go, I still think I prefer Mr Black's face to Feral's. But overall it made me react in the same way Arnold did in the first film. When he was unmasked for the first time my reaction was "yep, that's one ugly mother hubbard!" It's a gnarly face to fit a "Feral" Predator.
I don't dislike it, but I think given the lack of "this is a different sub-species"-style caveat that the Supers had, I completely understand why a lot of people hate it. It's certainly the most divisive design we've had to date.
And yeah, while I was still cool with it overall, that one shot during the final battle that's screencapped up there did make me say out-lout "goddamn those eyes are far apart!" :laugh:
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 06, 2022, 02:54:10 PMI have to echo the sentiment that it looks more like one of these guys than a Predator to me.
https://preview.redd.it/p66gxpdbkiaz.png?auto=webp&s=5700f958e72987c496c736fd33f61db847be3c03
Also hard to un-see this now too! :P
Do we think the Thomas Brothers Lawsuit was a a factor? Don't call the film Predator and change the face just enough so it's not going to be an issue?
I think they shouldn't have made it obviously a Predator at the start and make it appear to be the mythical creature that gets mentioned
I don't mind it. I wouldn't say I like it but I don't hate it either. Given what we had with Scar which yes, resembles the original design more than this one and Mr Black. They both just look plasticy and look like an action figure. If it wasn't for those, I'd more critical of Feral.
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Quote from: dnicholson277 on Aug 06, 2022, 03:53:36 PMDo we think the Thomas Brothers Lawsuit was a a factor?
I have heard someone make that claim over on a Facebook group, but personally... I don't buy it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 04:01:50 PMQuote from: dnicholson277 on Aug 06, 2022, 03:53:36 PMDo we think the Thomas Brothers Lawsuit was a a factor?
I have heard someone make that claim over on a Facebook group, but personally... I don't buy it.
Weird parallel with Prometheus.
Both serve as prequels but don't use the name of the franchise. Both films could have worked as standalones if tweaked. Both have a different looking version of the creature.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 03:34:16 PMQuote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 03:29:10 PMI haven't heard that, and I have to agree with you. Absolutely wrong approach.
I haven't watched the movie, so I have no opinion on it aside from a few things which I read that they did. The design on this Predator being one of them.
To me... this makes the Super Predators look acceptable by comparison and I have very strong opinions about the Super Predators. This is the equivalent of what Godzilla 1998 is to the original 1954 Godzilla.
This isn't a Predator. It's a Sanghelli that's been retooled to attempt look like a Predator.
I think the best way to analyse it is this:
If someone was making a new Jurassic Park/World film and were including the T-Rex but they made it look like this...
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It's still looks like, behaves like and is a T-Rex, however it's not something you that would exist in the same Universe as the original.
(https://media.wbur.org/wp/2015/06/0610_t-rex1.jpg)
I would have liked to see the Bio Helmet stay but get damaged in the final showdown. So you can see its eye.
It looks like a rushed CGI design to try something different.
I don't need the mask to come off every film just because.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 03:28:20 PMFrom what I've read with interviews from Trachtenberg, he started out with the idea that the concept artists should start off with drawing creatures which were NOT the Predator, and he reeled it back each time to make it something which resembled a Predator...
If you ask me, this was... the wrong way to approach the design of the creature for this film.
Yeah if that's true, definitely not the way to go about designing a Predator. What should be done IMO is just ask your artists to draw normal Predators and put their own spin on it, adding different features here and there. But not diverging too far. Then piece all the different variations together.
You need a middle option. I don't like or dislike it. It's definitely different, but we knew that it was going to be from the beginning.
I don't think it's as good as the original or P2, but I dislike the super predator design more.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 06, 2022, 02:20:25 PMThe thing about Feral that makes him acceptable is that he isn't meant to be a "superior" (Like Berserkers and Assassin) or the same version (Scar, Fugitive) as Jungle Hunter, he is his own separate thing
Hopefully a potential sequel doesn't have this new design easily kill OG style Predators. I'd actually prefer to see this wildly different faced Predator working with a lost tribe style Predator.
For now I'm looking at this new face like a Darkhorse Comic. In that it's just a different artist drawing a Predator with their own style. Really wish the top half was more Predator esque though. It's too monstrous for me to accept them as the same species.
So I have to ask regarding Feral..
Is he our version of Godzilla 1998, except he was in a movie that was... from what I'm seeing on Facebook groups, generally considered OKAY?
Quote from: Jacku on Aug 06, 2022, 05:23:07 PMlike a Darkhorse Comic.
That's a good descriptor for the whole movie, honestly.
Prey really owns that sort of pulpy adventure flavor, and that rocks.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 06, 2022, 05:09:05 PMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 03:28:20 PMFrom what I've read with interviews from Trachtenberg, he started out with the idea that the concept artists should start off with drawing creatures which were NOT the Predator, and he reeled it back each time to make it something which resembled a Predator...
If you ask me, this was... the wrong way to approach the design of the creature for this film.
Yeah if that's true. Definitely not the way to go about designing a Predator. What you should be done IMO is just ask your artists to draw normal Predators and put their own spin on it, adding different features here and there. But not diverging too far. Then piece all the different variations together.
Absolutely would have made so much more sense and followed the existing original predator design in a much more accurate way while making it "new" and updated instead of this deliberately unrecognizable Ferel.
So I have to ask regarding Feral..
Is he our version of Godzilla 1998, except he was in a movie that was... from what I'm seeing on Facebook groups, generally considered OKAY?
The face was ok. Looks like a mutant predator to be honest, but it didn't detract from my enjoyment of the film.
I will say this, the mask with visible mandibles really kicked ass. It's definitely My favorite mask design out of the entire series.
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 06, 2022, 05:18:44 PMYou need a middle option. I don't like or dislike it. It's definitely different, but we knew that it was going to be from the beginning.
I don't think it's as good as the original or P2, but I dislike the super predator design more.
Your absolutely right, I added the middle option to the poll.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 05:52:27 PMSo I have to ask regarding Feral..
Is he our version of Godzilla 1998, except he was in a movie that was... from what I'm seeing on Facebook groups, generally considered OKAY?
Just watch the movie! The amount of time you spend here asking these questions, you could easily watch the film and have them answered for yourself and decide on your own terms. Not letting anyone's post sway you.
I'm in the club right in the middle. I like it, but don't love it. After the 3rd viewing I can say I like him more than Mr. Black's face, and he was right above Upgrade. Feral is right in the middle for me. The eye placement may have to grow on me a little. But I lean more towards liking than disliking.
My largest issue is it feels like an entire reimagining, almost like 343 took over Halo and redid every species often times drastically changing what made them unique to look more monstrous.
The artist who designed it is great: Michael Vincent (https://michaelvincentart.com/pages/creaturedesign) -- but his art has a very unique style which the Predators face wholly adopted, giving it a more stylized look.
He looks like a Sangheili period
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 06, 2022, 06:07:35 PMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 05:52:27 PMSo I have to ask regarding Feral..
Is he our version of Godzilla 1998, except he was in a movie that was... from what I'm seeing on Facebook groups, generally considered OKAY?
Just watch the movie! The amount of time you spend here asking these questions, you could easily watch the film and have them answered for yourself and decide on your own terms. Not letting anyone's post sway you.
I'm in the club right in the middle. I like it, but don't love it. After the 3rd viewing I can say I like him more than Mr. Black's face, and he was right above Upgrade. Feral is right in the middle for me. The eye placement may have to grow on me a little. But I lean more towards liking than disliking.
I can agree and I too will absolutely try to justify and try my best to grow into looking past the face. Especially because I genuinely really enjoyed the movie.
Its just aggravating to say the least when they take an amazing well established and iconic design done by a legendary Stan Winston and decide to intentionally reinvent that design and in the process lose the identity of the Predators establishing features in which made it so unique and special.
I think the artist who drew that Predator/Aliens/Batman/Superman comic and the AvP portion of Fire and Stone couldnt get the predator face right, kinda like Prey...but Prey went even further
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 03:28:20 PMFrom what I've read with interviews from Trachtenberg, he started out with the idea that the concept artists should start off with drawing creatures which were NOT the Predator, and he reeled it back each time to make it something which resembled a Predator...
If you ask me, this was... the wrong way to approach the design of the creature for this film.
Yikes, wow, that's ass backwards.
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 06:26:11 PMHe looks like a Sangheili period
This.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 06, 2022, 05:52:27 PMSo I have to ask regarding Feral..
Is he our version of Godzilla 1998, except he was in a movie that was... from what I'm seeing on Facebook groups, generally considered OKAY?
In all honesty...as offensive as Feral's face is...no. See because despite the horrendous facial design, Feral still acts like a Predator. Has cool gadgets and weapons like a Predator, hunts like a Predator, and has green blood.
Even with the face being a f**k up, there are still good qualities to the portrayal of the creature.
Meanwhile, Godzilla 98, neither looked like Godzilla or acted like him. He ran from the military, had no legitimate atomic breath, wasn't as big, and was nowhere near as powerful.
Feral's face is a huge misstep no doubt, but it doesn't tank the whole experience outright.
My memory is already actively trying to erase Feral's unmasked head from my mind and create a version of the movie where he doesn't take the mask off.
You can really appreciate how much of a departure it is with these pics
(https://i.imgur.com/XmuU8e4.jpeg)
It almost looks like an animal from the same planet the shares evolutionary lineage, but is not the same species at all -- like humans to primates
It's vastly different from a traditional "Predator look" which is kinda problematic but as its own thing I think I begin to dig it
You could pass that off as a ripoff and everyone would go with it.
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 06, 2022, 07:42:39 PMYou can really appreciate how much of a departure it is with these pics
https://i.imgur.com/XmuU8e4.jpeg
It almost looks like an animal from the same planet the shares evolutionary lineage, but is not the same species at all -- like humans to primates
Now
that is an ugly motherf**ker.
I love the face! I absolutely freaking love this thing. And once you see its face in motion, it sells. It looks like an homage to Winston combining Pumpkinhead with Predator. And when it's wearing its mask, the mandibles moving around give it more character, it's quite an impressive special effect. Yes, it's a huge departure from what we've come to expect visually, but it works so well imo. If we get more movies after this ( and I think we will for sure after seeing the reception ) there's no reason they can't go back to the standard predator faces if they desire. But as a standalone design, this is a homerun. He is truly an ugly brute.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 08:13:04 PMYou could pass that off as a ripoff and everyone would go with it.
Ah yes, but a ripoff of what, the Predator or Sanghelli? :P
Personally I am fine with it and I can buy it based off of the concept of other ethnicities exist.
The problem with scar is they tried to keep the original idea and modernize it with more human features.
Feral from top to bottom you can feel he is a more primitive predator and comes from a different region than wolf and company.
I don't love it but I respect it in this presentation and I bought it
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 08:13:04 PMYou could pass that off as a ripoff and everyone would go with it.
Will you use this design?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2022, 09:44:56 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 08:13:04 PMYou could pass that off as a ripoff and everyone would go with it.
Will you use this design?
I plan to feature Predators.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2022, 05:11:04 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 04:04:17 AMSpoiler
I didn't think that was a special feature activating so much as the Predator remotely controlling it.
It's too vague if that's what they were actually going for - and it's not at all clear that's because of the mask specifically.
Yeah, it's extremely vague, and maybe it's just me, but I really got the feeling that was the assumption the film wanted me to make when the later stuff happened.
Spoiler
Wait, wasn't Feral speared through the back after his mask was knocked off - but the mask was still close enough to trigger the darts?
I think that's why I thought he was remote controlling the spear when Naru tried it.
The face redesign is growing on me, but is flawed. I feel like I may be inspired to draw a pred taking cues from this, like the extra teeth in the mandibles, but would never use this design in my own fan art. I disliked the design whenever we saw a full side profile, you got a sense of that head on a pole feeling, where as from the front or back he looks great.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2022, 05:11:04 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 04:04:17 AMSpoiler
I didn't think that was a special feature activating so much as the Predator remotely controlling it.
It's too vague if that's what they were actually going for - and it's not at all clear that's because of the mask specifically.
Yeah, it's extremely vague, and maybe it's just me, but I really got the feeling that was the assumption the film wanted me to make when the later stuff happened.
Spoiler
Wait, wasn't Feral speared through the back after his mask was knocked off - but the mask was still close enough to trigger the darts?
I think that's why I thought he was remote controlling the spear when Naru tried it.
Possibly? I'd have to watch it again.
I did not have a huge problem with it, but they could have just shown the face less
The face is definitely very different from anything we've seen before, still recognizable but also radically different. I wasn't sure how I felt about it at first but it's starting to grow on me, and since this Predator is supposed to be more primitive and from a completely different region and all, I can accept it's different appearance.
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 06, 2022, 07:42:39 PMYou can really appreciate how much of a departure it is with these pics
https://i.imgur.com/XmuU8e4.jpeg
It almost looks like an animal from the same planet the shares evolutionary lineage, but is not the same species at all -- like humans to primates
These pictures are gold and show the obvious profound and deliberate differences between the original design and the Feral design.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 06, 2022, 09:26:05 PMI love the face! I absolutely freaking love this thing. And once you see its face in motion, it sells. It looks like an homage to Winston combining Pumpkinhead with Predator. And when it's wearing its mask, the mandibles moving around give it more character, it's quite an impressive special effect. Yes, it's a huge departure from what we've come to expect visually, but it works so well imo. If we get more movies after this ( and I think we will for sure after seeing the reception ) there's no reason they can't go back to the standard predator faces if they desire. But as a standalone design, this is a homerun. He is truly an ugly brute.
I am glad you are able to enjoy the face design and take it for what it is.
I unfortunately cannot see the similarity enough to buy that the original predator design is an any way related to Feral's face.
The symmetry, structure and eyes are just way to far from relatable that to me, the two look like totally different aliens. (Strictly comparing the face)
Predator is Predator, his face is his face. I believed that his face design was the foundation for what all predators would look like. I get the idea and am on board for different variations, species, parts of the Pred home world impacting appearance but to me, this is just incomparable and unrecognizable.
Again, this is only one person's opinion, but this new Predator face tarnishes the luster of what Winston accomplished when he created that original everlasting design and, in the process, consciously ignored all identifying features of the original face, ignored the continuity within the lore and pretty much everything that therein came after.
That original design was the Predator, that face was that character's identity. Changing that to such an extreme, rewrites that character as something new and shelves the old.
But Feral is technically the old version and Stan's version is the modern one, because Feral is 400 years ago.
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 10:43:03 PMThat original design was the Predator, that face was that character's identity. Changing that to such an extreme, rewrites that character as something new and shelves the old.
I was getting tired of every movie messing up the face to be honest. The only three movies that got the face right were the first two and Wolf in AVP:R. AVP's faces were so bad and those were based off Winston's design. The classic Predator in Predators was soooooooo awful face-wise. It's mandibles just hung there open. The Super-preds were just eh, whatever. The Predator's Predators weren't good either. So having a new design that makes the mandibles interesting again makes me giddy. The mandibles add so much character to this new one in Prey. My hope is that this is a one off. I don't want to see another movie in this franchise with this design, but as a standalone movie, I'm super happy with it.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 06, 2022, 11:08:23 PMBut Feral is technically the old version and Stan's version is the modern one, because Feral is 400 years ago.
I get what you are saying, and the old Stan concept is definitely close to what we have in Feral, but the executed design, the design that made it to the original movies is what I believe, introduced us to what a Predator looks like.
Hence that final designs everlasting life within the genre.
With that, the new approach does that original design a disservice and actually for me takes away from Feral's legitimacy as a predator.
Yea, I don't understand why they keep trying to improve the already perfect design of the original as if that's what we need. No one is tired of the Jungle Hunter design and asking for something else.
We want more of that.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 06, 2022, 11:16:18 PMQuote from: CANNON on Aug 06, 2022, 10:43:03 PMThat original design was the Predator, that face was that character's identity. Changing that to such an extreme, rewrites that character as something new and shelves the old.
I was getting tired of every movie messing up the face to be honest. The only three movies that got the face right were the first two and Wolf in AVP:R. AVP's faces were so bad and those were based off Winston's design. The classic Predator in Predators was soooooooo awful face-wise. It's mandibles just hung there open. The Super-preds were just eh, whatever. The Predator's Predators weren't good either. So having a new design that makes the mandibles interesting again makes me giddy. The mandibles add so much character to this new one in Prey. My hope is that this is a one off. I don't want to see another movie in this franchise with this design, but as a standalone movie, I'm super happy with it.
I absolutely agree with all of your opinions of the other movies. I hope you are right about this being a one-off version.
See if this face exists because it's an old version, any future movie that takes place at a point in history could feature this face under that logic. I just hope that's not the case at all.
A one-off design, I could see past.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 06, 2022, 11:20:05 PMYea, I don't understand why they keep trying to improve the already perfect design of the original as if that's what we need. No one is tired of the Jungle Hunter design and asking for something else.
We want more of that.
I couldn't agree more... Just make Predator look like Predator.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 06, 2022, 11:20:05 PMYea, I don't understand why they keep trying to improve the already perfect design of the original as if that's what we need. No one is tired of the Jungle Hunter design and asking for something else.
We want more of that.
If you want my honest opinion, I just don't think they can make it as well as Winston did it. His passing really put into perspective just how lucky we were to have him in the movie industry. The dinosaurs in the new Jurassic World movies really hit home just how ahead of his time he was. No one can seem to replicate what he did 30-40 years ago with modern tech. Winston was a freaking genius.
It wasn't just him. Most of the people who actually made the Predator worked on later movies with ADI.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 06, 2022, 11:26:09 PMQuote from: overthere on Aug 06, 2022, 11:20:05 PMYea, I don't understand why they keep trying to improve the already perfect design of the original as if that's what we need. No one is tired of the Jungle Hunter design and asking for something else.
We want more of that.
If you want my honest opinion, I just don't think they can make it as well as Winston did it. His passing really put into perspective just how lucky we were to have him in the movie industry. The dinosaurs in the new Jurassic World movies really hit home just how ahead of his time he was. No one can seem to replicate what he did 30-40 years ago with modern tech. Winston was a freaking genius.
well said, and you are absolutely right...
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 11:31:22 PMIt wasn't just him. Most of the people who actually made the Predator worked on later movies with ADI.
I hear you, with that said it certainly appears they needed his vision and guidance to recreate what he established. Or to do what was done with Feral and abandon the original design for something brand new.
I fully agree with what Cannon has stated here. The Predator's design, especially his face, is not only iconic to the franchise; but to the memories of hard core fandom. It is indeed insulting to the hard work and revolutionary vision of Stan Winston, being that they completely altered the Predator's features to the degree of non-recognition. Now don't get me wrong; I am all for different versions of the design; whether that be adding or subtracting features to keep the appearance fresh and new, but this was nearly a completely different creature; and the CGI aspects were quite laughable unfortunately. It was very difficult for myself to accept this blatant atrocity - while watching, what ended up to be, a very good film. The damn Predator's neck even looked ridiculous. The thing stuck out like a roasted duck or something; and his fingers looked like fat pickles. They ruined his hair, they distorted his mandibles, and they made him look like a gears of war monster from 2006. The worst thing were the eyes. They were too far apart, i'm sorry; but i'm also not sorry. I like turtles...
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 02:46:08 AMBetween that and not knowing how his gear worked I do wonder if he's the special Ed kid they thought they were dropping off in a nice easy place with rabbits and snakes and realised too late he was in trouble.
I love this comment so much. He was kind of special wasn't he?
Would it be accurate to classify this design as a crabator?
No.
Quote from: El Diablo on Aug 06, 2022, 09:19:29 AMSpoiler
I spoke with someone who worked on the film and they mentioned that there were slight cracks designed in the mask that were originally going to glow from within like burning embers. This was achieved through a practical effect using LED light strips but the look was ultimately discarded by the director. I personally like the idea of this bone faceplate pulsing with energy from the tech it houses underneath. They did also mention there was more detail to Feral's equipment that didn't make it into the movie, like his medpack (which would light up and was a functional practical effect). If this ever gets a Blu-Ray release I would love to see more of the work that went into creating him. The folks at ADI did a bang-up job.
I think you see this effect when he's covered in bear blood. Noticed a glow beneath the blood on my last watch. I dig the idea myself.
More like a Horsetor
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2022, 12:45:38 AMWould it be accurate to classify this design as a crabator?
So who's up for saying this is how female Predators look?
Because why the heck not?
I thought female Predators had big boobs, long eyelashes and wear lipstick. All the fanart I've seen bears this out.
The only Predators I love are city hunter and jungle hunter. The rest are hit and miss. I only collect from first 2 movies.
With those BTS pictures he does look even more different from a "classic" predator than in the movie IMO.
Quote from: Turtle Boy on Aug 07, 2022, 12:21:49 AMI fully agree with what Cannon has stated here. The Predator's design, especially his face, is not only iconic to the franchise; but to the memories of hard core fandom. It is indeed insulting to the hard work and revolutionary vision of Stan Winston, being that they completely altered the Predator's features to the degree of non-recognition. Now don't get me wrong; I am all for different versions of the design; whether that be adding or subtracting features to keep the appearance fresh and new, but this was nearly a completely different creature; and the CGI aspects were quite laughable unfortunately. It was very difficult for myself to accept this blatant atrocity - while watching, what ended up to be, a very good film. The damn Predator's neck even looked ridiculous. The thing stuck out like a roasted duck or something; and his fingers looked like fat pickles. They ruined his hair, they distorted his mandibles, and they made him look like a gears of war monster from 2006. The worst thing were the eyes. They were too far apart, i'm sorry; but i'm also not sorry. I like turtles...
Agreed, and well said.
Quote from: El Diablo on Aug 06, 2022, 09:19:29 AMSpoiler
I spoke with someone who worked on the film and they mentioned that there were slight cracks designed in the mask that were originally going to glow from within like burning embers. This was achieved through a practical effect using LED light strips but the look was ultimately discarded by the director. I personally like the idea of this bone faceplate pulsing with energy from the tech it houses underneath. They did also mention there was more detail to Feral's equipment that didn't make it into the movie, like his medpack (which would light up and was a functional practical effect). If this ever gets a Blu-Ray release I would love to see more of the work that went into creating him. The folks at ADI did a bang-up job.
Such a big med kit and not used once... But seriously, I would like to see what went in the design phases.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 06, 2022, 11:08:23 PMBut Feral is technically the old version and Stan's version is the modern one, because Feral is 400 years ago.
Because Romans 2000 years ago looked radically different than modern day man...
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 06, 2022, 07:42:39 PMYou can really appreciate how much of a departure it is with these pics
https://i.imgur.com/XmuU8e4.jpeg
It almost looks like an animal from the same planet the shares evolutionary lineage, but is not the same species at all -- like humans to primates
Is it weird that I actually like this version better than how it ended up on screen?
It is used once.
Yeah, was nice to see Predator stitching up himself again
Quote from: SiL on Aug 07, 2022, 06:54:15 AMSo who's up for saying this is how female Predators look?
Because why the heck not?
@[cancerblack] actually headcanoned that's the Berserkers, put the differences down to sexual dymorphism and Captive was strung up, actually for reproductive purposes...
Here's my take on it. If you look at the different facial structures of all the different races of humans, you can see how evolution in their particular parts of our world has affected them.
So then, who's to say that Predators, with their world being more hostile, wouldn't have an even greater degree of difference in their facial structures?
(https://i.postimg.cc/V0ygJv0Z/DDA9-F7-AF-A48-A-46-F5-8-DC6-84-C9-EC118213.webp) (https://postimg.cc/V0ygJv0Z)
I am interested what the metallic mask under the bone looked like
I'm not really sure it was bone after all.
To me all of them look like modern humans but then again im from sweden where claiming there are differences or races of humans is tabo and illegal and you are a nazi if you claim that so no that dont explain anything to me. a person from africa and mongolia dont differ anything from us in europe.
Quote from: Billiken on Aug 07, 2022, 08:20:51 AMThe only Predators I love are city hunter and jungle hunter. The rest are hit and miss. I only collect from first 2 movies.
Same here, those are the real Predators, I would also throw in Wolf in that category 💪🏽. The rest are garbage. Superpred, Feralpred, Duckpred, chickenpred, turkeypred, sharkpred, oh my.
Did you really just call me a nazi?
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Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 07, 2022, 02:54:29 PMDid you really just call me a nazi?
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No not calling you it and Im apologize if that is how you preceived it but anyone in general here in sweden: that if anyone here in sweden would show that picture or claim there in public there is differences in humans one would get arrested and media would say that and racism etc.
To be fair unmasked Wolf doesn't look really good. The general darkness of AVPR prevents you to really see it, but the behind the scenes stuff makes it obvious.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 07, 2022, 03:02:21 PMQuote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 07, 2022, 02:54:29 PMDid you really just call me a nazi?
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No not calling you it and Im apologize if that is how you preceived it but anyone in general here in sweden: that if anyone here in sweden would show that picture or claim there in public there is differences in humans one would get arrested and media would say that and racism etc.
And you guys hand out the Nobel prize for science?
Quote from: judge death on Aug 07, 2022, 02:39:30 PMTo me all of them look like modern humans but then again im from sweden where claiming there are differences or races of humans is tabo and illegal and you are a nazi if you claim that so no that dont explain anything to me. a person from africa and mongolia dont differ anything from us in europe.
If you can't tell there are noticable differences to their appearance despite all being human beings you must be batshit blind.
Even in Sweden. Nowhere we claimed that they all should be different categories.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 07, 2022, 03:11:09 PMTo be fair unmasked Wolf doesn't look really good. The general darkness of AVPR prevents you to really see it, but the behind the scenes stuuf makes it obvious.
The idea behind wolf made him have some incredibly wonky proportions. Same for the super predator, and I even liked that one.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 07, 2022, 03:29:04 PMAnd you guys hand out the Nobel prize for science?
Haha yes :P But what is teached in schools and media here in sweden in last 15 years says isnt based on science but what we like to think on humanity that we are all the same even genders hence we now use a genderless word for him/her: hen. Him/han and Her/hon which is genderbased is removed in schools.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Aug 07, 2022, 03:33:50 PMIf you can't tell there are noticable differences to their appearance despite all being human beings you must be batshit blind.
Even in Sweden.
I agree and its not hard to see but I would never dare saying that on swedish forum or public here which I find interesting other nations can say it without have to worry.
Example from one newspaper here:
https://tidningensyre.se/global/2018/nummer-26/att-skrika-rasist-racker-inte-2/
At the end they say:
Those who grow up and go to school with children from these countries will, hopefully, not see them as so different as many of the older generation tend to do.
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Every major pred face structure done in paint in under 5 mins
In order:
Fish face, SW face, Zerker Face
ADI Face
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 07, 2022, 03:11:09 PMTo be fair unmasked Wolf doesn't look really good. The general darkness of AVPR prevents you to really see it, but the behind the scenes stuff makes it obvious.
Every Predator design after City Hunter is always fixed gia statues or toys.
Scar looks way better with Hot Toys 2.0 release.
Fugitive looks better with the Prime 1 bust
Wolf looks better with Side Show Collectibles bust.
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If only they actually looked anything like this in the films themselves...
ok so we have 3 threads about the Pred's design, shouldn't we merge em?
I think so yes
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 07, 2022, 05:02:29 PMok so we have 3 threads about the Pred's design, shouldn't we merge em?
@Omegamorph ?
Quote from: Billiken on Aug 07, 2022, 08:20:51 AMThe only Predators I love are city hunter and jungle hunter. The rest are hit and miss. I only collect from first 2 movies.
Insert Robert Redford nodding gif here...
Yeah, I definitely can agree with this. Those two are in my opinion, definitively the best... also counting the rest of the Lost Clan. Those guys were totally awesome.
Like I said in the other 2 threads, I'm fine with this design, yeah it's outlandish and ugly, but it is it's own thing, not a member of JH's kind of a superior version like Zerker and Assassin
Quote from: judge death on Aug 07, 2022, 03:42:22 PMQuote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 07, 2022, 03:29:04 PMAnd you guys hand out the Nobel prize for science?
Haha yes :P But what is teached in schools and media here in sweden in last 15 years says isnt based on science but what we like to think on humanity that we are all the same even genders hence we now use a genderless word for him/her: hen. Him/han and Her/hon which is genderbased is removed in schools.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Aug 07, 2022, 03:33:50 PMIf you can't tell there are noticable differences to their appearance despite all being human beings you must be batshit blind.
Even in Sweden.
I agree and its not hard to see but I would never dare saying that on swedish forum or public here which I find interesting other nations can say it without have to worry.
Example from one newspaper here:
https://tidningensyre.se/global/2018/nummer-26/att-skrika-rasist-racker-inte-2/
At the end they say:
Those who grow up and go to school with children from these countries will, hopefully, not see them as so different as many of the older generation tend to do.
Well, I am not big on racism, but there are fysiological differences, scientifically speaking, and it matters very much, for instance, when forensical artists have to reconstruct faces from a skull. That does not lessen the value of any regional "race", we are still all homo sapiens after all. But to ignore differences would be willful ignorance.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2022, 05:37:25 AMMaybe I missed, but did the mask supply this Predator with breathing gases? Or has that been totally forgotten/retconned?
Noland could operate just fine on the game preserve and Mr.Black otherwise didn't possess this. So we could assume that it's something they could use but otherwise not required on Earth. There's never been a sequence where the Predator is suffocating and you'd think the lab sequence would've covered that in 4. Maybe it's a DNA thing but that still doesn't explain Noland being fine on the preserve where the difference in atmosphere should've been getting to him. Or even Harrigan for that matter since if they're fine on the ship, why would Harrigan be if it's that different?
But frankly I don't know where this supply of gas or filter even is on the suits since JH is the only one who deliberately removes the backpack (medical kit) before taking off the mask and City Hunter doesn't bother to simply put the breather on and instead uses it like an inhaler.
I think City Hunter used the breather because he was in a bad state, shot in the lungs and such.
Without the mask, it could kind of be like being at a high altitude for humans, you get tired faster, etc.
In a "nerdy fan" way it has kinda bothered me that the last few movies have done away with the breathing pipes/gas cables or whatever you want to call them from the first few films. Though given the design of this mask, with a totally exposed mouth, they would have been super clunky to include here.
But obviously even going back to the original, we see that Jungle Hunter has no trouble breathing our atmosphere while he's fighting Dutch, and never shows any signs of struggling to breathe or slowing down etc. And yeah, with City Hunter I also took the use of his rebreather to be more because he was badly wounded at that point, similar to how medics administer oxygen to injured patients.
I remember one of the featurettes on the AVPR DVD being about the biology and culture of Predators, and they posited that given their green blood and preference for warm climates they probably come from a more nitrogen-rich environment than Earth has.
And since we don't see Harrigan struggling to breathe on the Lost Tribe ship either (which would presumably be set to their preferred kind of environmental conditions), I've always head-canoned it that their home world has a mix of oxygen with a slightly higher nitrogen content than Earth does, so they can probably breath in our atmosphere for a good long while, but after an extended period of time they might start to feel a little less comfortable than they'd like. But nothing that would ultimately kill them through suffocation or anything like that.
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 06, 2022, 07:42:39 PMYou can really appreciate how much of a departure it is with these pics
https://i.imgur.com/XmuU8e4.jpeg
It almost looks like an animal from the same planet the shares evolutionary lineage, but is not the same species at all -- like humans to primates
It looks kinda horse faced. Not dissimilar to the predator hounds.
Quote from: Darkseed on Aug 07, 2022, 02:03:31 AMMore like a HorsetorQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2022, 12:45:38 AMWould it be accurate to classify this design as a crabator?
Just what I was thinking
It's okay. I put it down to every Predator not automatically looking the same but retaining core characteristics. Much like the human race.
I advise everyone to play nice. I'll be coiling around this section and first prick comments I see are going to get a warning
now off to watch the movie
Quote from: skull-splitter on Aug 07, 2022, 06:25:19 PMBut to ignore differences would be willful ignorance.
I've seen some
wild shit on, for example, a post by a blood donation service asking for specific ethnic groups to come forward and donate due to a shortage.
Anyway, I'm not big on the face, and it's got very little to do with how plausible such a difference is, and more with the basic aesthetics of the thing.
It looks like the design you reach half way through the design stage.
Quote from: Kailem on Aug 07, 2022, 09:07:37 PMIn a "nerdy fan" way it has kinda bothered me that the last few movies have done away with the breathing pipes/gas cables or whatever you want to call them from the first few films. Though given the design of this mask, with a totally exposed mouth, they would have been super clunky t include here.
Couldnt it be what I thought it was: That the substance in them is just to create pressure/suction, so the mask stay put on no matter what? Only when one disconnect the tubes one can remove the mask?
Couldn't it just be that feral predator was being negatively affected by the atmosphere but just rolled with it? It'd be in character for him to handicap himself like that.
I loved the giant mandibles extending out around the small lower section of the mask.
The mask was cool too.
But when the mask came off, I wasn't thrilled with the little eyes that were too far apart. Looked a bit derpy.
I can't believe so many fans actually like this design. It would be akin to having an Alien movie with nothing but a Neomorph or a Deacon.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 12:10:17 AMI can't believe so many fans actually like this design. It would be akin to having an Alien movie with nothing but a Neomorph or a Deacon.
I'd watch that movie.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 08, 2022, 12:13:49 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 12:10:17 AMI can't believe so many fans actually like this design. It would be akin to having an Alien movie with nothing but a Neomorph or a Deacon.
I'd watch that movie.
This forum needs a dislike button.
I think it's more akin to an entire Alien movie where the aliens suddenly have ridged heads for some reason, or one where they have less fingers and pointy heads.
It's more like the AR designs. Like you can tell what it's meant to be, it's just not.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 12:10:17 AMI can't believe so many fans actually like this design. It would be akin to having an Alien movie with nothing but a Neomorph or a Deacon.
I like everything but the face and that doesn't get much screentime. With the mask on he's my favorite predator after the first two.
Also since I like the film so much it lessons the pain of the face reveal.
Kinda reminds me of honeworld lol
(https://i.imgur.com/p1S2znU.jpeg)
This thread:
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The top half of his mask is maybe the best Predator mask ever. He just needs some kind of emotionless eyes staring back at you. I like the look of his lower mandibles, but it didn't seem to work as well in the movie.
I f**king love Feral while he's masked. Easily one of my top 3 favourite movie masks. I really do not like his unmasked looks.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 09:00:49 AMI f**king love Feral while he's masked. Easily one of my top 3 favourite movie masks. I really do not like his unmasked looks.
That's the thing, the masked look is sooooooo freaking cool. While I dig the new face, I totally understand why it's not popular, but that masked look overtakes Celtic for me and I never thought I'd say that.
Checked Voodoo's Twitter. Non-surprisingly, he ain't happy
https://twitter.com/FnVoodooMagic/status/1555748801998118917
OK, honest opinions on Feral...
Do I wish they are designed a more classic looking Predator - yes, of course! Sadly, I don't think we'll ever see one again.
Regrading Feral, I really like the mask and the combo of mask/ exposed mandibles. It does look cool and unique.
Skin tones were good.
Awesome arsenal of weapons and gadgets.
His neck looked funny in some shots, like it was too long and his head leaned forward.
The face. Can't say I like it but I don't hate it either. Looks slightly better in action then in the images we've been seeing. I'm confused as to why they feel the need to keep messing with the design, especially when we got perfection back in 1987.
Lastly, I would have liked to see him decorated in a few more accessories. Something like a bandolier made with the snake spine, wolf and bear skulls.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 08, 2022, 12:13:49 AMI'd watch that movie.
me too mate f**k yeah neomorphs
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 12:15:15 AMThis forum needs a dislike button.
nah mate otherwise it's troll galore (as if pass aggro likes weren't already a thing on these boards)
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 08, 2022, 10:06:41 AMChecked Voodoo's Twitter. Non-surprisingly, he ain't happy
https://twitter.com/FnVoodooMagic/status/1555748801998118917
Why have I not seen Voodoo on here for a while ?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65665.0
Thanks Kradan.
Sad to see him gone. I wonder what was up.
On topic.
No problem with the face. Works fine as an example of a different Predator ethnicity.
Do I like the design from an artistic point of view. No. It looks weird.
But then again, I think a Duck Billed Platypus looks stupid and that exists so... lol
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2022, 12:18:55 PMNo problem with the face. Works fine as an example of a different Predator ethnicity.
Do I like the design from an artistic point of view. No. It looks weird.
But then again, I think a Duck Billed Platypus looks stupid and that exists so... lol
More Predator fans should express their opinion like this ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 12:10:17 AMI can't believe so many fans actually like this design. It would be akin to having an Alien movie with nothing but a Neomorph or a Deacon.
I mean...I want that film. Rather than them shoehorning in the traditional Alien at the end.
But actual preferences over design is a different discussion.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 12:10:17 AMI can't believe so many fans actually like this design. It would be akin to having an Alien movie with nothing but a Neomorph or a Deacon.
This is what I wanted out of Covenant
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 08, 2022, 10:12:40 AMHis neck looked funny in some shots, like it was too long and his head leaned forward.
Exactly my thoughts.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2022, 03:26:48 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 08, 2022, 10:12:40 AMHis neck looked funny in some shots, like it was too long and his head leaned forward.
Exactly my thoughts.
Yep, it's a strange one. I can't quite work out why it looks off. It's more noticeable in the burnt forest scene.
They did the same they did with the AvP Aliens, the head of the actor is in the neck
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 08, 2022, 03:50:20 PMThey did the same they did with the AvP Aliens, the head of the actor is in the neck
Isnt that adis default design style, I think since pumpkinhead they always do this aproach.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 08, 2022, 03:55:27 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 08, 2022, 03:50:20 PMThey did the same they did with the AvP Aliens, the head of the actor is in the neck
Isnt that adis default design style, I think since pumpkinhead they always do this aproach.
not for their Predators
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2022, 12:18:55 PMThanks Kradan.
Sad to see him gone. I wonder what was up.
On topic.
No problem with the face. Works fine as an example of a different Predator ethnicity.
Do I like the design from an artistic point of view. No. It looks weird.
But then again, I think a Duck Billed Platypus looks stupid and that exists so... lol
I agree, it makes sense that different racers look different but the cgi version looks odd with the wide set eyes. I liked the practical head more.
After some time and rewatching unmasked scenes in isolation, I feel like I can say I REALLY like Feral's unmasked face... in some angles.
His mouth open and roaring, I dig. Most of the side profile shots, I like a lot. His eye placement and resting face, maybe not so much. But when it hits certain angles it works really well. I'm right in the middle with this face design. Don't love it, don't hate it. Not upset about it. I can totally see why it doesn't work for some.
Absolutely love him with his mask on, for sure.
I dunno, this design still is NOT working for me -- it's just too far removed.
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Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 05:51:18 AMThe masks always supplied gases. Removing them always involved unplugging what we assume is life support.
Like presumably they can manage without but it's not ideal.
It's been gone a while now, hasn't it?
Last time we've seen it was in AvP-r (2007)
After finally seeing the movie, Feral's face really is a disservice to the rest of the design. He looks so cool with the mask on and everything. But once it comes off, damn it.
I don't mind it. Sort of gives me Neanderthal Predator vibes.
So, I just finished the movie and took my time to read all the replies in this thread, because I do love good creature design. Unfortunately the one we got here isn't good. Goofy,that's what comes in my mind first and I'm not talking about unmasked face only. While mask of this Predator is probably one of the best, all else is more in ok. region. I mean, why oh why with every another film we are getting less and less of what Predator desing used to be? No netting, no pressure cables, no hair brides, no small skull amulets even though creature gather allot of small skulls in between. Don't get me wrong, I do like allot too, like shield, war club, wristblades and hi mag cross bow, but those are weapons and not part of intended look for the monster. Face is miss for me and far miss as it is. In my head canon this one is from Superpredator subspecies (even mask with attached skull on it adds to the all evidence above).
The way his head sticks out reminds me way too much of the original, original Predator design. Dude's neck is long.
Yep it is. Also, the hypertelorism and angled eye placement gives some of the early Winston concept vibe ( and Superpredator too).
Quote from: Master on Aug 08, 2022, 11:21:52 PMYep it is. Also, the hypertelorism and angled eye placement gives some of the early Winston concept vibe ( and Superpredator too).
See now that I've seen Feral in HD, I don't see the resemblance to the Mr. Black anymore.
En face he is plain ulgy but form side has alot of Superpredator features like back trimmed dreadlocks and those characteristic depressions.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 09:00:49 AMI f**king love Feral while he's masked. Easily one of my top 3 favourite movie masks. I really do not like his unmasked looks.
Same for me. I thought it would grow on me after a couple viewings but it didn't.
The forehead is way too pronounced for my taste and the eyes makes it look kind of dumb.
But with the mask on, it totally works.
I would almost prefer if we didn't have a face reveal in this one.
Quote from: Master on Aug 08, 2022, 09:49:48 PMSo, I just finished the movie and took my time to read all the replies in this thread, because I do love good creature design. Unfortunately the one we got here isn't good. Goofy,that's what comes in my mind first and I'm not talking about unmasked face only. While mask of this Predator is probably one of the best, all else is more in ok. region. I mean, why oh why with every another film we are getting less and less of what Predator desing used to be? No netting, no pressure cables, no hair brides, no small skull amulets even though creature gather allot of small skulls in between. Don't get me wrong, I do like allot too, like shield, war club, wristblades and hi mag cross bow, but those are weapons and not part of intended look for the monster. Face is miss for me and far miss as it is. In my head canon this one is from Superpredator subspecies (even mask with attached skull on it adds to the all evidence above).
Well put on a lot of points there Master, got similar feelings here for sure. I would elaborate again on all the small changes that the future films have done to the creature design. Mainly the face design, which feels like the argument always. However, as much as I myself will try to find I guess the silver lining with every new interpretation. They did enough well & new with the Predator design overall. (Plus, the action sequences with the French fur traders near the end was very fun to watch). Felt like the Predator had more agility and power than previous ones, and without too much of the guy in a suit feel either.
Anyways, it is funny how we always get a number of good changes with the Predator and yet, we always can't be satisfied with the faces mostly :P All the more reason why (again), we got so close to another new fan favorite design hopefully, but had to fall short on the face...
*I'll still vouch for the classic Predator design in the film Predators, which was a nice repeat of the original IMO. Also, now I can appreciate more of the intricate details of others like Berserker & Wolf even. Their mandibles might have not been perfect/other issues, but I still like the certain touches they got overall.
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https://twitter.com/MV_Creatures/status/1556713011879956480
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Jungle Hunter saw perfectly fine without his mask against Dutch. Not a disadvantage at all to him.
... is that a joke?
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 09, 2022, 01:46:04 AMJungle Hunter saw perfectly fine without his mask against Dutch. Not a disadvantage at all to him.
Is this ironic, I couldn't tell shit apart when he took it off
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 02:24:17 AM... is that a joke?
....no? At what point did it look like Jungle Hunter was having a hard time seeing Dutch while fist fighting him? He completely dominated Dutch without his mask. He definitely wasn't impaired.
Or do I need to rewatch that fight? ???
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 09, 2022, 03:00:00 AM....no? At what point did it look like Jungle Hunter was having a hard time seeing Dutch while fist fighting him? He completely dominated Dutch without his mask. He definitely wasn't impaired.
The part where he lifts the mask and everything is just an indistinct, red blur.
He could tell where Dutch was and beat him up, but Arnold Schwarzenegger is 140kg of Austrian beef. Kind of hard to miss when he's right in front of you. His eyesight was anything but "fine", but he made do.
Didn't he see the sharp sticks that were attached to the log?
When they were right in front of his face, yes.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 03:06:17 AMQuote from: The Shuriken on Aug 09, 2022, 03:00:00 AM....no? At what point did it look like Jungle Hunter was having a hard time seeing Dutch while fist fighting him? He completely dominated Dutch without his mask. He definitely wasn't impaired.
The part where he lifts the mask and everything is just an indistinct, red blur.
He could tell where Dutch was and beat him up, but Arnold Schwarzenegger is 140kg of Austrian beef. Kind of hard to miss when he's right in front of you. His eyesight was anything but "fine", but he made do.
Ok I guess what I was getting at is, even though it clearly looks like they don't see as well without the mask, it's not reflected in the following scenes.
Jungle Hunter takes off the mask, and proceeds to mercilessly obliterate Dutch in hand to hand combat, therein not appearing to be disadvantaged without the tech.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 03:26:02 AMWhen they were right in front of his face, yes.
Watching that scene again, it also looks like he didn't notice them until he actually touched them, then he felt them some more and quickly figured out it was one of Dutch's traps. He may not have actually seen them at all.
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:39 PMI dunno, this design still is NOT working for me -- it's just too far removed.
https://i.imgur.com/mjruZqC.jpeg
that design
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:39 PMI dunno, this design still is NOT working for me -- it's just too far removed.
https://i.imgur.com/mjruZqC.jpeg
that face design is absolute garbage, not even good for a B movie made 30 years ago, really offensive for a predator fan
I actually feel cheated that Voodoo Magic left before Prey was released. These threads would have been historic.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 09, 2022, 01:46:04 AMJungle Hunter saw perfectly fine without his mask against Dutch. Not a disadvantage at all to him.
Its eyesight was terrible. When it removes its mask everything becomes a hot red blur, save for Dutch who shows up as distinct only when close. It seems as if the creature sees in heat, and the mask acts to filter out heat coming from non-human/animal sources (i.e. ambient heat in the jungle or foliage). This would explain why the mud fools the mask. It's not that his temperature drops, it's that the mask filters him out as foliage/land and renders him as blue.
That's how it always made sense to me. But Predator 2 and Prey then went in on the temperature thing so who knows. Hell Predator 2 even had the "invisible" suited up agents lugging round tech, which Predator 1 established the creature at being extremely capable of detecting (sneaking in without triggering a single tripwire). But yeah, apparently Pussyface didn't watch the spot tech Ted Talk.
It seems to have good hearing across the board though. Based on its eyesight it's not unreasonable to assume Predators navigate using other senses. Because its eyesight kinda blows.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2022, 04:03:26 AMI actually feel cheated that Voodoo Magic left before Prey was released. These threads would have been historic.
You should've taken on his mantle. I honestly don't think there's anyone more suited for it
I've been thinking about putting his banner in my sig, to be honest.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2022, 04:03:26 AMI actually feel cheated that Voodoo Magic left before Prey was released. These threads would have been historic.
He's got his own site and twitter/Instagram if you really want to hear his thoughts.
While he was very vocal, he wasn't always correct, but I'm sure most of us are aligned with him in not loving the face.
Quote from: oldpainless on Aug 09, 2022, 04:01:56 AMQuote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:39 PMI dunno, this design still is NOT working for me -- it's just too far removed.
https://i.imgur.com/mjruZqC.jpeg
that design
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:39 PMI dunno, this design still is NOT working for me -- it's just too far removed.
https://i.imgur.com/mjruZqC.jpeg
that face design is absolute garbage, not even good for a B movie made 30 years ago, really offensive for a predator fan
There's no way around it - it looks bad.
The film has rightfully been receiving a lot of praise and it's fully deserved. I really like it.
It's perfectly OK to like the film but still have negatives views about the face. It would be refreshing if someone (constructively) called out the guys who made the film and get an explanation.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 09, 2022, 06:29:16 AMThere's no way around it - it looks bad.
The film has rightfully been receiving a lot of praise and it's fully deserved. I really like it.
It's perfectly OK to like the film but still have negatives views about the face. It would be refreshing if someone (constructively) called out the guys who made the film and get an explanation.
I don't think they need any calling out. It's clear that Dan wanted something a little different from interviews. He asked them to push the design, and they did. It wouldn't solely fall the the FX guys. I don't think there's any explanation to be had that we haven't already heard in interviews. They wanted to break the design and bring it back to familiar. They broke it down a lot, but clearly did not have pull it back for enough people.
Being a lifelong Godzilla fan may have braced me for alternate Predator designs with how many suits and iterations the Big G has gone through in his almost 70 years. Sone good, some bad, some amazing, some horrible. Some too far removed, some right on point. I can admit there are many Godzilla suits I don't like, and some in movies I love. It all depends on the direction. Most of how you get to a final design comes down to direction from the director and what they want.
The way I see it, if you want to have the movie about Predator, you don't replace it with other creature.
Good there was a Predator in Prey then! Still not able to align or agree with those who say it didn't feel very Predator-like. Even after explanations. Yeah, the design wasn't close to the original, but it still reads Predator to me, though I don't love it's face. Can't say I'd be able to call it anything else. I can see those not wanting to accept because it's not what they want, but for me, this character and even his drastic design change was a Predator from start to finish.
I was talking mostly about it's mug only mother could ever love.
Look, all I know is that motherf**ker was ugly as hell and if IIRC that's a must-have for Predators
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 09, 2022, 07:32:14 AMGood there was a Predator in Prey then! Still not able to align or agree with those who say it didn't feel very Predator-like. Even after explanations. Yeah, the design wasn't close to the original, but it still reads Predator to me, though I don't love it's face. Can't say I'd be able to call it anything else. I can see those not wanting to accept because it's not what they want, but for me, this character and even his drastic design change was a Predator from start to finish.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I accept it as a Predator - I really like the masked/ exposed mandibles look. Yes, there's a few changes I'd make.
Regardless, we can still like most of the film and still say that the face design was bad.
I hate Feral Predator design, it almost looks like another species. It doesn't make sense to have so many different Predator's designs, first one was top notch.
So we have:
- standard Predator (aka the best Predator design), with color and mandibles differences
- super predators
- ultimate predator
- feral predator
This Feral Predator design is plain stupid, his mandibles are non functional, face is ugly but doesn't have epic look like the first one.
And how many different Predators exist on one planet, from Earth's perspective this doesn't have any sense. Homo Sapiens evolutionary beat Neanthertals, so one Predator group would had advantage over others. Now, there are at least 3 different groups of Predators - standard, super and feral.
If Feral's Predator design was the original one, Predator would never become iconic creature.
Also, as a fans, we want to see being in which we fell in love, and that is original Predator. Why they need to reinvent the wheel every time ?
Personally. for me, this is not true Predator. Maybe now I understand why they called it Prey, instead Predator 5 or whatever.
What we got vs what we should have got.
(Credit to the artist)
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I think it's tough, since the masked face is probably one of the coolest faces ever with the mandibles sticking out.
I'd be lying if I didn't want a more classic look, but the quality of the film trumped the face for me.
Totally understand the complaints though.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 09, 2022, 09:28:35 AMWhat we got vs what we should have got.
(Credit to the artist)
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I can't say I agree with "should have got" but dang if I don't wish that's what it looked like.
Huge improvement!
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Damn this thing got long neck!
Looks awesome
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 09, 2022, 09:28:35 AMWhat we got vs what we should have got.
(Credit to the artist)
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Superb improvement.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 09, 2022, 09:28:35 AMWhat we got vs what we should have got.
(Credit to the artist)
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If we ever get another feral predator in one of the movies, I'd be perfectly ok with something like this, looks completely different and yet familiar, like the way they said it would look like initially in the movie.
The body, the mask, everything looks great about the feral, but the eyes and that part above the mouth are too much for me.
Quote from: ace3g on Aug 09, 2022, 01:06:52 AMhttps://twitter.com/MV_Creatures/status/1556713011879956480
https://twitter.com/MV_Creatures/status/1556744846647250944
So I guess that would assume the dreadlocks are sensory organs making that comment about the dogs dreads from The Predator accurate. Weird, but at least there's some continuity.
But as to Jungle Hunter's eyesight, no. The POV has always been limited by the camera technology and productions of the time. There isn't an in-universe answer to the various POV, beyond an assumption for how Assassin's worked given it has its own HUD as if he was masked, which he was certainly not and is already a mutant. We can rightfully assume some manner of cybernetics given how far he deviated. Any modern recreation of Jungle Hunter's POV however would clean it up. Even City Hunter's would've corrected the masked vision mistake while he's aboard the ship. Or is that assuming the ship is really cold? Otherwise that statement is also suggesting they'd have to come from a place that's actually cold if we're being overly simplistic about the eye sight.
I'm just saying you can't really make that canonical given we've only seen it three times. Once in 87 where it's an effect from 1987, the mistake in Predator 2 (circa 1990), and in 2018 with Assassin's being a one off. It's like saying duct tape on a stormtrooper is canon. Yeah you're technically right, but a quick fix or mistake by the prop department shouldn't be gospel.
I'll say Feral's face was better than I expected. And with the context of this being 300 years before the first movie, I'm way more accepting of it than the usual ADI-Preds.
It's definitely the best put together of all their work since Alien³ for my money honestly.
https://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1557067955166674944?s=21&t=or5sqlouZP_OQcMkEr8E3g
kickass michael
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 09, 2022, 07:06:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1557067955166674944?s=21&t=or5sqlouZP_OQcMkEr8E3g
I'm down with all that... While I still don't like the new face design, I've come to accept it at this point
So apparently we're supposed to be mad that this Predator makes the clicking noise without his mandibles touching?
I never realized that was supposed to be the origin of the sound... but it's so loud that it doesn't really seem believable to me that the super gentle little mandible touches are generating such a loud noise.
One thing that don't bother me is the thinner dreads for sure. The rest I'm not sure of yet.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 09, 2022, 07:06:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1557067955166674944?s=21&t=or5sqlouZP_OQcMkEr8E3g
love that the bone is culturally significant to this clan. Personally I think its a modified skull from another Feral Predator. I love that the artist seems to have though through all of the design choices and why they were made anatomically speaking.
I like the idea that as a space faring species, groups of Predators may have been separated for so long that they have developed different traits. Explains the preds from all the films without making any tribe better than the other.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Aug 09, 2022, 07:36:32 PMSo apparently we're supposed to be mad that this Predator makes the clicking noise without his mandibles touching?
I never realized that was supposed to be the origin of the sound... but it's so loud that it doesn't really seem believable to me that the super gentle little mandible touches are generating such a loud noise.
People have enought to be mad about as it is
I've never even once thought that that's where that noise has come from, because I don't think it possibly could.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 09, 2022, 07:06:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1557067955166674944?s=21&t=or5sqlouZP_OQcMkEr8E3g
That particular tweet I like, but some of the other ones that designer posted are very odd.
Like he's adapted to a less oxygenated environment, but
doesn't have any sort of breathing apparatus on his mask? Wouldn't he need it
more if that were the case?
Also seemingly saying that the mask somehow transmits thermal data directly to his "network of heat sensitive organs" which then translate that into something his eyes can see? But if that's the case, where is the Predator text and targeting reticle coming from?
Honestly some of them almost make me dislike that unmasked face
more. :P
EDIT: I see this was posted in the wrong forum. Apologies. New here!
https://twitter.com/MV_Creatures/status/1557067955166674944
From PREY concept artist Michael Vincent. Very interesting stuff!:
- Genetic isolation with different environmental pressures yields a variant of yautja... adapted to a drier climate... thinner, waxier dreads, thicker oral tissue, & scalier skin for moisture retention, favors crushing bite for different diet
- Breathes primarily through spiracles in the casque (not those 2 big cavities, those are heat sensitive "pits"!), an adaptation for a less jungly, less oxygenated atmosphere
- Thicker brow houses heat sensitive organs, which the mask is designed to interface with... thinner casque loses less water
- Bone has a special cultural significance to the Feral subspecies... not only their armor but as a diet staple... a careful look at the mouth reveals molars outfitted for osteophagy
- Heat-sensitive nodes under bone plates send the data to his network of heat sensing organs in the frill and compiles into a visual feed to his eyes - predator since the 1st film has lousy vision when unmasked, at least in our atmosphere
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Quote from: Master on Aug 09, 2022, 12:18:03 PMhttps://c.tenor.com/IpLm4neJoBcAAAAC/friday-icecube.gif
Damn this thing got long neck!
This version of the suit the actor's head was in the neck. Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr did the same thing w the ALIEN's design. Looks like they did it again. Eventually all their designs turn into Pumpkin Head.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 09, 2022, 07:06:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1557067955166674944?s=21&t=or5sqlouZP_OQcMkEr8E3g
Well I definitely appreciate the science jargon. I'm afraid I just can't be sold on the design. :P
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 09, 2022, 07:46:21 PMQuote from: Nukiemorph on Aug 09, 2022, 07:36:32 PMSo apparently we're supposed to be mad that this Predator makes the clicking noise without his mandibles touching?
I never realized that was supposed to be the origin of the sound... but it's so loud that it doesn't really seem believable to me that the super gentle little mandible touches are generating such a loud noise.
People have enought to be mad about as it is
Nor do people understand that parrots can do all this without mandibles, as can we humans...
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 09, 2022, 07:06:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1557067955166674944?s=21&t=or5sqlouZP_OQcMkEr8E3g
Love this so much.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Aug 09, 2022, 07:36:32 PMI never realized that was supposed to be the origin of the sound... but it's so loud that it doesn't really seem believable to me that the super gentle little mandible touches are generating such a loud noise.
Yeah I make that noise with the back of my throat, not clicking anything together.
I make it when I'm irritated with something
I make it because I'm a weirdo.
That will not satisfy everyone for sure...
Very cool. I love reading stuff like that. It's such a treat when we get to hear about the lore that goes into a design.
I like it. Would also like to know the relation this breed of Predator shares with the classic ones. Would be great to have the two types in a sequel.
now this is interesting. makes you wonder how the feral predators compare technologically with jungle hunter and city at the same time.
Quote from: LazOrg on Aug 09, 2022, 09:16:02 PMThis version of the suit the actor's head was in the neck. Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr did the same thing w the ALIEN's design. Looks like they did it again. Eventually all their designs turn into Pumpkin Head.
Is this confirmed?
It's what I guessed initially, but I was confused by how the neck looked fine in some shots and pretty bad in others. I assumed it was maybe just some angles being more flattering than others, but multiple suits makes sense.
Watched the film a second time tonight and the face has definitely grown on me. I don't love it, but it looks great in some of the practical shots in the final fight. The darker lighting may help it out too.
It's confirmed and you can see it in the behind the scenes.
'Prey': How the SFX Team Ratcheted Up the Horror for the Redesigned Predator
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/prey-sfx-team-ratcheted-horror-200058637.html
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Quote from: Marauder on Aug 10, 2022, 11:11:32 PMWatched the film a second time tonight and the face has definitely grown on me. I don't love it, but it looks great in some of the practical shots in the final fight. The darker lighting may help it out too.
It definitely looks spookier in the dark
Quote from: Kailem on Aug 09, 2022, 07:47:53 PMI've never even once thought that that's where that noise has come from, because I don't think it possibly could.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 09, 2022, 07:06:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1557067955166674944?s=21&t=or5sqlouZP_OQcMkEr8E3g
That particular tweet I like, but some of the other ones that designer posted are very odd.
Like he's adapted to a less oxygenated environment, but doesn't have any sort of breathing apparatus on his mask? Wouldn't he need it more if that were the case?
Also seemingly saying that the mask somehow transmits thermal data directly to his "network of heat sensitive organs" which then translate that into something his eyes can see? But if that's the case, where is the Predator text and targeting reticle coming from?
Honestly some of them almost make me dislike that unmasked face more. :P
I agree with you, the mask makes zero sense when the Artist explains it, the Predator would not see an interface and language information come up in his eyes just from transmitting thermal data into his heat sensory organs, if he has no visor or any internal mask display..then it just makes no sense.
While I didn't exactly love the design of the face(it has grown on me) it is cool to hear why certain choices were made. I love the backstory of this particular predator and the idea of it coming from a different part of its home world is fascinating.
As a side note. I don't like the poll choices: I'm okay so with the new face design. It's more like I'm okay with the new face design as long as it is not replacing the design in potential films. This predator being a subspecies is great. But there are still the original predators, super predators and feral.
300 years of evolution.....interesting differences lol
Quote from: GQSioux on Aug 08, 2022, 09:09:14 PMI don't mind it. Sort of gives me Neanderthal Predator vibes.
That's how I interpreted it too
For me he is a Superpredator.
He's a Skinwalker. Brutal and thicc. Thicc boi. 😅😍 Why rehash the same design over and over lol The French and the First Nations don't look the same either. 💁�♂️
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Aug 11, 2022, 04:24:33 PMHe's a Skinwalker. Brutal and thicc. Thicc boi. 😅😍 Why rehash the same design over and over lol The French and the First Nations don't look the same either. 💁�♂️
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/12/17/tommywildcat_sq-cc8f9d6cfcd0a506a45064aaea81edf58d3e1498.jpg)
(https://previews.123rf.com/images/albinasazheniuk/albinasazheniuk1912/albinasazheniuk191200058/136789075-closeup-portrait-of-serious-30-years-old-caucasian-white-man-on-white-background-in-white-t-shirt-co.jpg)
Both Caucasian and Native American has similar shape of face. Differences are automatically noticable but not overexaggerated.
(https://pocketdentistry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/f047-001-9781455753284.jpg)
Above you have chart of eyeplacement and Fearl has hypertelorism which, in most cases, is one of symptoms of genetical disorder.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Mary_mac_dougal_1.jpg)
This does not look normal (and allot like Fearl at thesame time).
It's a f**king alien. It doesn't have to strictly follow the rules of human's anatomy
I agree with Kradan on this.
(https://i.gifer.com/origin/5f/5f6292798af1981be7a92c7d4f6a5f06_w200.gif)
Maybe it's an inbred hillbilly Predator. Its eyes are spaced even wider than Anya Taylor-Joy's.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2022, 07:18:30 PMIt's a f**king alien. It doesn't have to strictly follow the rules of human's anatomy
Yet it does have two arms, two legs and five fingers.
https://twitter.com/IllFonic/status/1557817493787385857
Gotta say, seeing the classic mandibles peeking out from behind Feral's mask... I'm not really a fan of the combination. I think the new face/mandible structure was the only way to really get this particular mask sitting well.
Also, I've never purchased any of Neca's figures before but... moderately curious to grab Feral if the sculpt looks decent. Can't get enough of this "ugly motherf**ker."
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2022, 07:53:35 PMMaybe it's an inbred hillbilly Predator. Its eyes are spaced even wider than Anya Taylor-Joy's.
Haahahaha, I love that idea. You might be right. He look retarded.
Quote from: Master on Aug 11, 2022, 08:04:47 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2022, 07:18:30 PMIt's a f**king alien. It doesn't have to strictly follow the rules of human's anatomy
Yet it does have two arms, two legs and five fingers.
Yeah, because it's being performed by a human being in a suit. Kinda limits your design choices
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2022, 08:22:34 PMQuote from: Master on Aug 11, 2022, 08:04:47 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2022, 07:18:30 PMIt's a f**king alien. It doesn't have to strictly follow the rules of human's anatomy
Yet it does have two arms, two legs and five fingers.
Yeah, because it's being performed by a human being in a suit. Kinda limits your design choices
Don't give me this man in the suit bro. Some principles of human anatomy suits predator just fine and things we're talking abour here are, by comparison with earlier films, legit and holds merit.
Why not ? Why isn't that a valid argument ? A lot of movie monsters are humanoid in shape simply because they were played by men in suits and that inevitably leads to some limitations. But now people act like it's some sort of a genius artistic choice when it's merely a restriction of using practical effects
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2022, 08:53:52 PMWhy not ? Why isn't that a valid argument ? A lot of movie monsters are humanoid in shape simply because they were played by men in suits and that inevitably leads to some limitations. But now people act like it's some sort of a genius artistic choice when it's merely a restriction of using practical effects
Becasue earlier Predator had eyes placed in certain place of it's face.
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/GVDZMB4.jpg)
And bring back the breathing gases!
Quote from: Master on Aug 11, 2022, 05:55:27 PMQuote from: Necronomicon II on Aug 11, 2022, 04:24:33 PMHe's a Skinwalker. Brutal and thicc. Thicc boi. 😅😍 Why rehash the same design over and over lol The French and the First Nations don't look the same either. 💁�♂️
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Both Caucasian and Native American has similar shape of face. Differences are automatically noticable but not overexaggerated.
https://pocketdentistry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/f047-001-9781455753284.jpg
Above you have chart of eyeplacement and Fearl has hypertelorism which, in most cases, is one of symptoms of genetical disorder.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Mary_mac_dougal_1.jpg
This does not look normal (and allot like Fearl at thesame time).
His phenotype obviously adapted to a different hemisphere on a different planet. They're a space faring race. Thus his features are exaggerated as a result. Let's not overthink this. Not to mention the awkward ableist insinuations there. Let's talk about how the hare didn't zig zag because this was a problem for someone I saw... 🤣😂
It made sense and worked well for a more savage, primitive, 300 years prior to Anytime's rendition of a Predator. IE "Feral"
Evolutionary humans and humans in different areas of our planet look very different.
Feral is still identifiably a Predator but unique and new with a twist.
Unlike post Predator 2 wannabe, rubbery, poor man Stan Winston imitations of the Jungle and City Hunter we've seen from AvP to The Predator.
It is a more unique execution of what some of the more modern sequels attempted to be. Plus it was filmed great, dark, wet and realistic and not rubbery or costume like. And left me wanting more. In combination with his portrayal being much more in line with the menacing solo honorable hunter like the creature was from the first two films.
I get not liking it, but it's still identifiably the character, while twisting it just enough to feel new so the audiences isn't desensitized to the character visually since they have so much familiarity with it by this point.
Saying it's more identifiable as a Predator than post P2 designs is a damn stretch. You could easily pass Feral off as a Predator ripoff.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 03:06:54 AMIt made sense and worked well for a more savage, primitive, 300 years prior to Anytime's rendition of a Predator.
Why would they be any more "primitive" than they were in the original movie? They were already a hyper-advanced spacefaring civilization thousands of years before we discovered electricity.
AvP is still canon to this series, right?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 03:20:54 AMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 03:06:54 AMIt made sense and worked well for a more savage, primitive, 300 years prior to Anytime's rendition of a Predator.
Why would they be any more "primitive" than they were in the original movie? They were already a hyper-advanced spacefaring civilization thousands of years before we discovered electricity.
AvP is still canon to this series, right?
Advanced comparatively to humans? By far.
But not Feral to Anytime is also a considerable leap.
Commanches as amazing savage hunters and warriors in their own right as they maybe, primitive even, can't hold a candle to Dutch's 1987 black ops special forces rescue crew.
Naru and her brethren have some mean bow and arrow, tracking, axe throwing and hunting skills, yes.
But they're not M-16s and Mini Guns.
In AvP, the flashbacks to the distant past showed the Predators using plasmacasters against the Aliens. They were not a recent technological development. If Feral arrived with less advanced weaponry than Jungle Hunter, it was only by choice.
Quote from: Master on Aug 11, 2022, 09:29:09 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2022, 08:53:52 PMWhy not ? Why isn't that a valid argument ? A lot of movie monsters are humanoid in shape simply because they were played by men in suits and that inevitably leads to some limitations. But now people act like it's some sort of a genius artistic choice when it's merely a restriction of using practical effects
Becasue earlier Predator had eyes placed in certain place of it's face.
Hammerhead sharks have eye's on the end of their faces and also ...fins, tail and teeth.
Mmm... I knew there was an interview where Trachtenberg said that when it came to designing Feral, that they started off with creating a creature that was NOT a Predator at all and reeled it back from that until we got something which resembled a Predator. And now I found that interview!
"It was about delivering something new, but not changing it too much," the filmmaker explains in the video below.
"In the iteration phase with the folks at ADI, who worked on the development of the suit, I really said, 'Let's push it. Let's break it first and see what the design looks like when we change it so it doesn't look like a Predator and then step back from that.'"Source: https://sffgazette.com/sci-fi/movies/prey-director-dan-trachtenberg-breaks-down-his-approach-to-a1893
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 03:20:54 AMAvP is still canon to this series, right?
Depends on your source... But at this point, they're take'em or leave'em stories.
But according to Andrew Gaska, who looked at the Alien/Predator Bible when he was working on the Alien RPG book, according to Fox, who at the time owned the rights... they were different licenses with their own separate continuities.
Take that as you will.
Quote from: Master on Aug 11, 2022, 09:29:09 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2022, 08:53:52 PMWhy not ? Why isn't that a valid argument ? A lot of movie monsters are humanoid in shape simply because they were played by men in suits and that inevitably leads to some limitations. But now people act like it's some sort of a genius artistic choice when it's merely a restriction of using practical effects
Because earlier Predator had eyes placed in certain place of it's face.
Earlier Predators' (namely JH, CH and Scar, Wolf had animatronics eyes, not sure about the rest)' eyes' were literally performers' eyes wearing lenses. As I understand, in Feral's case performer's head was inside costume's neck anyway so they decided to go a little crazier with eyes' placement
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 12, 2022, 04:59:32 AMMmm... I knew there was an interview where Trachtenberg said that when it came to designing Feral, that they started off with creating a creature that was NOT a Predator at all and reeled it back from that until we got something which resembled a Predator. And now I found that interview!
"It was about delivering something new, but not changing it too much," the filmmaker explains in the video below. "In the iteration phase with the folks at ADI, who worked on the development of the suit, I really said, 'Let's push it. Let's break it first and see what the design looks like when we change it so it doesn't look like a Predator and then step back from that.'"
Source: https://sffgazette.com/sci-fi/movies/prey-director-dan-trachtenberg-breaks-down-his-approach-to-a1893
He was not a handsome Predator, but there was a
je ne sais quoi in his hunting style and behavior. I just love it. 8)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 12, 2022, 04:59:32 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 03:20:54 AMAvP is still canon to this series, right?
Depends on your source... But at this point, they're take'em or leave'em stories.
But according to Andrew Gaska, who looked at the Alien/Predator Bible when he was working on the Alien RPG book, according to Fox, who at the time owned the rights... they were different licenses with their own separate continuities.
Take that as you will.
The way Feral spent his time hunting down predatory animals and then finally turning his attention to humans makes me think this was actually the first (or one of the first) time a Predator had come to Earth.
That can be recontextualized though. :-X
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 12, 2022, 04:59:32 AMBut according to Andrew Gaska, who looked at the Alien/Predator Bible when he was working on the Alien RPG book, according to Fox, who at the time owned the rights... they were different licenses with their own separate continuities.
Just an FYI but he also wrote the Predator bible. I assisted with it as well.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 03:30:22 AMIn AvP, the flashbacks to the distant past showed the Predators using plasmacasters against the Aliens. They were not a recent technological development. If Feral arrived with less advanced weaponry than Jungle Hunter, it was only by choice.
This is what I'm thinking too. Feral scales up the weaponry he's using based on what he's facing. He sees the Comanche with spears and bows and arrows, the spear/club and speargun comes out. He meets the French with muskets, the bombs come out.
I don't think the talk of being primitive weaponry is in terms of actual development, but more to match what he's facing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 08:28:54 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 12, 2022, 04:59:32 AMBut according to Andrew Gaska, who looked at the Alien/Predator Bible when he was working on the Alien RPG book, according to Fox, who at the time owned the rights... they were different licenses with their own separate continuities.
Just an FYI but he also wrote the Predator bible. I assisted with it as well.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 03:30:22 AMIn AvP, the flashbacks to the distant past showed the Predators using plasmacasters against the Aliens. They were not a recent technological development. If Feral arrived with less advanced weaponry than Jungle Hunter, it was only by choice.
This is what I'm thinking too. Feral scales up the weaponry he's using based on what he's facing. He sees the Comanche with spears and bows and arrows, the spear/club and speargun comes out. He meets the French with muskets, the bombs come out.
I don't think the talk of being primitive weaponry is in terms of actual development, but more to match what he's facing.
If you're playing vidya and you're up against the absolute goon enemies, you use the pistol and shotgun. If some mini-bosses show up, you swap out to the rocket launcher or BFG.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2022, 03:09:03 AMSaying it's more identifiable as a Predator than post P2 designs is a damn stretch. You could easily pass Feral off as a Predator ripoff.
Reading comprehension, my guy, who said MORE identifiable?
I said Feral's look and execution was more unique and creative than ...
The pale imitations of the first two Stan Winston original brilliant designs and executions we have got in AvP, AvPR, Predators and The Predator
But I was saying, and addressing the people who didn't like it, the hyperbole portion of their comments, that it's still not identifiably a predator. Which it clearly is. It's not nearly that far of a departure.
Can someone tell me whats ging on with this Predator bible ? I read it last time in another comment section but cant find anything 🧐
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Aug 11, 2022, 04:24:33 PMHe's a Skinwalker. Brutal and thicc. Thicc boi. 😅😍 Why rehash the same design over and over lol The French and the First Nations don't look the same either. 💁�♂️
Perfection from the neck down 👌😂
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 12:24:28 PMReading comprehension, my guy, who said MORE identifiable?
I said Feral's look and execution was more unique and creative than ...
No need to be a tool about it. Nobody was attacking you.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2022, 07:05:04 PMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 12:24:28 PMReading comprehension, my guy, who said MORE identifiable?
I said Feral's look and execution was more unique and creative than ...
No need to be a tool about it. Nobody was attacking you.
Listen kid, your post was indirectly obviously addressed at mine. Same specific verbiage and all. And I merely questioned your comprehension because that was never said. By myself or anyone.
"Kid" :laugh:
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1558150076027002881
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 07:08:26 PMListen kid, your post was indirectly obviously addressed at mine. Same specific verbiage and all. And I merely questioned your comprehension because that was never said. By myself or anyone.
And you continue to act like a tool about it.
Quote from: ace3g on Aug 12, 2022, 09:28:38 PMhttps://twitter.com/Variety/status/1558150076027002881
In my experience with many movies, often there is a few concept art pieces that look so much better than the final product.
I really want to see those concepts.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2022, 09:29:42 PMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 07:08:26 PMListen kid, your post was indirectly obviously addressed at mine. Same specific verbiage and all. And I merely questioned your comprehension because that was never said. By myself or anyone.
And you continue to act like a tool about it.
You're the one slinging personal insults after cowardly and vaguely indirectly addressing my post just a couple ones above yours, where I merely said, you need to work on your reading comprehension, because what you said was never once conveyed or iterated.
You leaped straight to condescension after someone misread a post. What a crime it was against you.
Please grow up.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 09:18:27 PM"Kid" :laugh:
Made me think of this. :laugh:
QuoteWhat the f**k did you just f**king say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the f**k out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my f**king words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, f**ker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're f**king dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your f**king tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're f**king dead, kiddo.
You need to take a step back right now, Pu$$yFace. No need to leap to behaving like that. We're all fans and adults here, and I expect people to behave like they are. No more of the attitude please.
I'm not sure if anyone has seen this yet but Dan DiLiegro posted what the mask looks like on the underside the other day on his Instagram page. (https://i.ibb.co/XtDpnfQ/Screenshot-20220813-004801.png) (https://ibb.co/m40tnrj)
Well, that is literally a skull with some technology in it. I really expected it to be a bone shaped over an actual mask.
I like it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2022, 08:00:28 AMWell, that is literally a skull with some technology in it. I really expected it to be a bone shaped over an actual mask.
Yeah that's exactly what I thought it would be as well, this was actually a little unexpected.
I dig it very much.
Okay late to the party but I finally caught Prey, which I liked. But like some (most?) here I have mixed feelings on Feral's design. It sounds dumb and petty, but I don't think I enjoyed the film as much as I could've based on this.
From the neck down it's alright (even with those big fat monster hands), but it was obvious to me the actor's head was in the neck, so even while masked he looks wonky in some shots. And unmasked he looks like a Predator/Shelob from LOTR combo...
It sounds unfair to the film because it's otherwise very well made; it's quite remarkable we got something this solid so soon after The Predator.
But, to join the beating of a very dead horse I still don't think we've returned to that Predator 1/2 sweet spot just yet -
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2022, 11:41:13 PMThe first two Predators are radically different in colour, patterns, textures, details, but built from the same framework.
You don't need to reinvent the wheel nor do you need to slavishly follow the past. There's a fertile middle ground.
Quote from: ace3g on Aug 06, 2022, 12:08:22 AMHopefully I get my wish of a WETA FX/Digital designed Predator
My pick is Legacy Effects.
The way the head sits on the actor's head just reminds me more and more of the original Van Damme Predator. The helmet doesn't help.
The more time goes the more I like it
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 13, 2022, 10:05:23 PMThe more time goes the more I like it
Gives it a streamlined but truly bestial look.
Does the eye placement bother me? Sure, but I like it and it makes sense with the explanation behind it, we've seen creatures in Earth evolve vastly different mouths for different types of Prey, look at sharks and crocodilians for example
Sharks and crocodiles are entirely different animals though.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 13, 2022, 11:20:14 PMSharks and crocodiles are entirely different animals though.
He means sub species of sharks and crocodiles look very different. I made the same point earlier
(hammerhead vs a White)
Folk can't be whipping out the science for the Predators look. It looks different because they wanted it to look different and that's all there is to it.
Personally I think it was likely because any copy was going to come under heavy fire, so they went the different route to take that out of the equation. It does come with it's own problems though, like pissing off half the fan base. I've not seen any "regular" viewers take issue with the face though.
For sure. The aesthetics are contentious. It one hundred percent succeeded in making me have a recoiling reaction to his face though.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 13, 2022, 11:20:14 PMSharks and crocodiles are entirely different animals though.
C'mon dude, you know that's not what I meant lol
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 14, 2022, 12:56:53 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 13, 2022, 11:20:14 PMSharks and crocodiles are entirely different animals though.
C'mon dude, you know that's not what I meant lol
Legitimately misread it, my bad!
My favourite was the snake example. This dude does not look like a cobra: (https://bangkokherps.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/img_6319-e1588098064802.jpg)
That said, regardless of the rationale -- I just really don't like the design.
That's fine, I just think the explanation behind the design justifies it's existence and makes it fit in, unlike some other ADI designs..
But we can explain ADI's designs in the same way - different groups of Predators.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 13, 2022, 09:27:16 PMI still don't think we've returned to that Predator 1/2 sweet spot just yet -
and neither should we
Quote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 01:17:05 AMBut we can explain ADI's designs in the same way - different groups of Predators.
ADIs designs aren't explained tho, they are just there
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 14, 2022, 02:43:25 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 01:17:05 AMBut we can explain ADI's designs in the same way - different groups of Predators.
ADIs designs aren't explained tho, they are just there
Feral isn't explained in the movie.
If people can buy it as an explanation here they can buy it as an explanation there.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 02:44:31 AMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 14, 2022, 02:43:25 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 01:17:05 AMBut we can explain ADI's designs in the same way - different groups of Predators.
ADIs designs aren't explained tho, they are just there
Feral isn't explained in the movie.
If people can buy it as an explanation here they can buy it as an explanation there.
Will you put a Feral in your movie to appease all the Prey fans?
ADI's previous Predator designs had aspects that made them look outright fake, especially in comparison to prior iterations in Predator and Predator 2 particularly or even Predators' Berserker, Prey despite the design departure does not have this issue.
Simply put: Scar, Wolf, Crucified, Fugitive, look bad with the mask off... whether that's being goofy looking by widely missing the mark at attempting being a handsome looking alien fellow, (see Garrus Vakarian for a good example) bobble headed, being apparently slack jawed, rubbery looking, having multiple skin folds around the mandibles or all of the above.
Scary boy:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/75b9b045930cf964efe080dce5686ab3/689b06f2feae960e-a8/s1280x1920/f1ecec83690b0a78669511abc9e767008a0411b8.jpg)
Handsome boy Garrus Vakarian:
(https://fangirlisms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/garrus-head-tilt.png)
Feral looks good with the mask on but just looks different with the mask off. He does not have any of the above type of issues that take me out of the film. His crime's being ugly.
I'm glad Feral doesn't have Scar's pretty eyes.
(https://i.ibb.co/gWvJRPt/Screenshot-20220813-231952.jpg)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 14, 2022, 02:46:00 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 02:44:31 AMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 14, 2022, 02:43:25 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 01:17:05 AMBut we can explain ADI's designs in the same way - different groups of Predators.
ADIs designs aren't explained tho, they are just there
Feral isn't explained in the movie.
If people can buy it as an explanation here they can buy it as an explanation there.
Will you put a Feral in your movie to appease all the Prey fans?
He should include a sasquatch to really please everyone.
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Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Aug 13, 2022, 07:56:30 AMI'm not sure if anyone has seen this yet but Dan DiLiegro posted what the mask looks like on the underside the other day on his Instagram page. (https://i.ibb.co/XtDpnfQ/Screenshot-20220813-004801.png) (https://ibb.co/m40tnrj)
I like it too.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 12:44:06 AMFor sure. The aesthetics are contentious. It one hundred percent succeeded in making me have a recoiling reaction to his face though.
They're supposed to be ugly mofos. 😂
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 03:06:05 AMADI's previous Predator designs had aspects that made them look outright fake, especially in comparison to prior iterations in Predator and Predator 2 particularly or even Predators' Berserker, Prey despite the design departure does not have this issue.
He looks plenty fake. It's just CGI fakeness, not rubber fakeness.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 14, 2022, 01:35:08 AMQuote from: Gilfryd on Aug 13, 2022, 09:27:16 PMI still don't think we've returned to that Predator 1/2 sweet spot just yet -
and neither should we
?
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 03:06:05 AMHis crime's being ugly.
Since when is it bad for a Predator ? That's like their trademark feature
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 14, 2022, 04:57:57 AM?
Let's give content creators some liberty instead of always asking for reskins and recolors. The Daleks, the Cybermen etc haven't always looked the precise same, and neither has the Alien or Godzilla. Feral being different -- AND well done -- is a good thing
the SWS Preds should only return if (god make this happen) they show the P2 tribe again. God I'd love that
Amen
Looks pretty damn real to me.
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And again has none of the issues of the prior ADI Predators.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 11:19:02 AMLooks pretty damn real to me.
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And again has none of the issues of the prior ADI Predators.
I disagree, for me the CG face takes me out of the movie a lot more than the slight goofiness of ADI's designs. Though I suppose it's a matter of preference between goofy practical effect vs goofy cg effect
On the face itself though, I don't think the issue is that it's ugly, or even different. It's more that the changes made to the design lead to it only vaguely resembling a Predator. When it's mouth is wide open roaring, it's passable I suppose, but when it's mouth and mandibles are closed it doesn't quite look like the Predator.
Quote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 11:57:17 AMonly vaguely resembling a Predator.
Big forehead, scaly skin, four mandibles connected with membranous tissue, crazy hungry eyes
it looks plenty like a Predator - whether the look works for your tastes is another question
Very mixed about him honestly. You know it's a predator, just as much as you could feel him be something else. Weird feeling.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 14, 2022, 12:10:56 PMQuote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 11:57:17 AMonly vaguely resembling a Predator.
Big forehead, scaly skin, four mandibles connected with membranous tissue, crazy hungry eyes
it looks plenty like a Predator - whether the look works for your tastes is another question
Don't get me wrong, it's got the features of the Predator's face, but Godzilla 1998 also had Godzilla's dorsal plates, dinosaurian appearance, etc. Bit of an extreme example, but my point remains
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 11:19:02 AMLooks pretty damn real to me.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/7f0647392931ec0f4738938b843b7e2e/b6ab87a73a65bfda-69/s540x810/c8300591548f15057c421d938088a9fef001af58.gif
And again has none of the issues of the prior ADI Predators.
The design grown on me. Or better yet, I got used to it. It is definitely menacing, but I do see a Superpredator in it. Different kind of more vicious Predator. It's Superpredator right?
Quote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 12:48:58 PMQuote from: Omegamorph on Aug 14, 2022, 12:10:56 PMQuote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 11:57:17 AMonly vaguely resembling a Predator.
Big forehead, scaly skin, four mandibles connected with membranous tissue, crazy hungry eyes
it looks plenty like a Predator - whether the look works for your tastes is another question
Don't get me wrong, it's got the features of the Predator's face, but Godzilla 1998 also had Godzilla's dorsal plates, dinosaurian appearance, etc. Bit of an extreme example, but my point remains
I absolutely loved the Godzilla 1998 design because it tried something different. IMO, the super predators mainly were poorly lit and they made the mistake of having extremely cut up stylised faces in that one, or at least Mr Black... the sculpt and the paint job is absolutely beautiful.
The ADI predators are a mixed bag IMO. They are true to brief, there is serious craftsmanship in them that I recognise. I mostly don't agree with some of the rationale of the brief.
Feral is really growing on me, as a different look. It's not replacing any previous entry, nor does it have to be.
I'd like to see more diversity, preferably in a single film to cement said diversity as plausible.
This situation reminds me a whole lot like the two newer teenage mutant ninja turtle movies. The design just threw me off, and I never really grabbed back on.
Just a few little tweaks and they could've had a design that was both new and representative of the older designs. But in both cases of the turtles and the feral, they just went too far.
I'm really trying to like something about it, but when people are constantly saying "I like it with his mask on", you know something is off.
Typical modern movies these days. Always pushing too far. So far to the point I feel as if I'm watching one of those sub par movies you see like transmorphers (fake transformers) that come out and run parallel straight to video with real transformers movie in the theatres.
Not to say that prey ended up being a sub par film, but I can't really shake that idea as far as the design goes. Maybe something called "the predatory hunter" haha
Not trying to rattle anybodys cage about their opinions. Just my two cents
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 08:28:54 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 12, 2022, 04:59:32 AMBut according to Andrew Gaska, who looked at the Alien/Predator Bible when he was working on the Alien RPG book, according to Fox, who at the time owned the rights... they were different licenses with their own separate continuities.
Just an FYI but he also wrote the Predator bible. I assisted with it as well.
Is that why Predator 1718 wasn't in there? I also heard that Dan mentioned that it wasn't meaty as he thought it would be when he got the Predator Bible. Real shame cuz he wanted to work with more when he gotten the resource to help with the film.
The Bible is for the EU, not the film universe. I've not seen Dan talk about seeing the bible - can you share?
Quote from: Master on Aug 14, 2022, 12:52:47 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 11:19:02 AMLooks pretty damn real to me.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/7f0647392931ec0f4738938b843b7e2e/b6ab87a73a65bfda-69/s540x810/c8300591548f15057c421d938088a9fef001af58.gif
And again has none of the issues of the prior ADI Predators.
The design grown on me. Or better yet, I got used to it. It is definitely menacing, but I do see a Superpredator in it. Different kind of more vicious Predator. It's Superpredator right?
*First, I really don't like the shot/look of the Predator here...The top mandibles in this gif/link above look off and seem like they are way too wide around the cheeks?/compared to other shots & :-\ An example of how the CGI enhancements don't really add or give it any better feel I think.
However, still agree the design has looked better in some shots & especially in the behind the scenes footage we've seen online!
I honestly do want to add this Predator into the Super Predator category (why he's a lot more ripped too? haha) and/or go with the different hemisphere explanation. Gives enough reason for the different characteristics we're seeing physically, while still getting a lot of good stuff I think.
Just wanted to re-share this Instagram BTS gif/url link below (last post in the slides) & 1 screenshot image of it. I particularly am a fan of this practical animatronics look below. Especially if you notice the Predator's eyes. They have motion & a nice design, which is awesome since the actor's head was in the neck of the suit & eye contacts weren't used in this case. 8)
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChOQ-vNrDEh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
(https://iili.io/gH5Qxp.jpg)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2022, 05:49:17 PMThe Bible is for the EU, not the film universe. I've not seen Dan talk about seeing the bible - can you share?
Not sure which videos I shot these snaps from, but they may be referring to these comments.
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Quote from: pmaz11 on Aug 14, 2022, 05:55:11 PMQuote from: Master on Aug 14, 2022, 12:52:47 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 11:19:02 AMLooks pretty damn real to me.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/7f0647392931ec0f4738938b843b7e2e/b6ab87a73a65bfda-69/s540x810/c8300591548f15057c421d938088a9fef001af58.gif
And again has none of the issues of the prior ADI Predators.
The design grown on me. Or better yet, I got used to it. It is definitely menacing, but I do see a Superpredator in it. Different kind of more vicious Predator. It's Superpredator right?
*First, I really don't like the shot/look of the Predator here...The top mandibles in this gif/link above look off and seem like they are way too wide around the cheeks?/compared to other shots & :-\ An example of how the CGI enhancements don't really add or give it any better feel I think.
However, still agree the design has looked better in some shots & especially in the behind the scenes footage we've seen online!
I honestly do want to add this Predator into the Super Predator category (why he's a lot more ripped too? haha) and/or go with the different hemisphere explanation. Gives enough reason for the different characteristics we're seeing physically, while still getting a lot of good stuff I think.
Just wanted to re-share this Instagram BTS gif/url link below (last post in the slides) & 1 screenshot image of it. I particularly am a fan of this practical animatronics look below. Especially if you notice the Predator's eyes. They have motion & a nice design, which is awesome since the actor's head was in the neck of the suit & eye contacts weren't used in this case. 8)
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChOQ-vNrDEh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
https://iili.io/gH5Qxp.jpg
Aha! Now I see what Feral keeps reminding me of.
The Kessler Werewolf from American Werewolf in London! It's those eyes.
Did they use different sets of hands throughout the film? In the scene where Feral touches and smells the ash (close up shot), the fingers look much better than in other shots.
Quote from: pmaz11 on Aug 14, 2022, 05:55:11 PMQuote from: Master on Aug 14, 2022, 12:52:47 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 11:19:02 AMLooks pretty damn real to me.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/7f0647392931ec0f4738938b843b7e2e/b6ab87a73a65bfda-69/s540x810/c8300591548f15057c421d938088a9fef001af58.gif
And again has none of the issues of the prior ADI Predators.
The design grown on me. Or better yet, I got used to it. It is definitely menacing, but I do see a Superpredator in it. Different kind of more vicious Predator. It's Superpredator right?
*First, I really don't like the shot/look of the Predator here...The top mandibles in this gif/link above look off and seem like they are way too wide around the cheeks?/compared to other shots & :-\ An example of how the CGI enhancements don't really add or give it any better feel I think.
However, still agree the design has looked better in some shots & especially in the behind the scenes footage we've seen online!
I honestly do want to add this Predator into the Super Predator category (why he's a lot more ripped too? haha) and/or go with the different hemisphere explanation. Gives enough reason for the different characteristics we're seeing physically, while still getting a lot of good stuff I think.
Just wanted to re-share this Instagram BTS gif/url link below (last post in the slides) & 1 screenshot image of it. I particularly am a fan of this practical animatronics look below. Especially if you notice the Predator's eyes. They have motion & a nice design, which is awesome since the actor's head was in the neck of the suit & eye contacts weren't used in this case. 8)
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChOQ-vNrDEh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
https://iili.io/gH5Qxp.jpg
that's one ugly predator. It's more of a creature than a predator 😏
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 14, 2022, 06:49:06 PMDid they use different sets of hands throughout the film? In the scene where Feral touches and smells the ash (close up shot), the fingers look much better than in other shots.
I wouldn't be shocked if those were CG, just because, as you said, they look a lot thinner in that shot than in some of the others we see them in.
I wasn't crazy about the face at first sight, But seeing the practical head I quite like it.
Maybe it's the CGI render that was off?
I really dig him in these shots. Looks like a cross of a Lion and an Ant.
(https://iili.io/gH5Qxp.jpg)
Really wish they'd went more practical with this one. I like that face much more in BTS pics
It's definitely the eye placement and bulbous forehead that's throwing me off.
I wonder how a more 'normal' Predator would look with the 'head in neck' approach?
I'm finding that I actually dig the practical face a lot more. Need more time with it, but almost wish they'd gone less with the cgi face and added minor cgi elements to the practical head. It's been growing on me, but some angles I know I already love. Just not all around love.
Quote from: Kailem on Aug 14, 2022, 07:00:19 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 14, 2022, 06:49:06 PMDid they use different sets of hands throughout the film? In the scene where Feral touches and smells the ash (close up shot), the fingers look much better than in other shots.
I wouldn't be shocked if those were CG, just because, as you said, they look a lot thinner in that shot than in some of the others we see them in.
It's a strange one. Can't be that hard to make good practical hands. 😓
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 14, 2022, 07:29:30 PMIt's definitely the eye placement and bulbous forehead that's throwing me off.
I wonder how a more 'normal' Predator would look with the 'head in neck' approach?
There was a photoshop many pages back that only changed the forehead enough to accommodate shifting the eyes to a more traditional position and it looked
really good.
^ Found it.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 10:23:23 AMQuote from: Sabres21768 on Aug 09, 2022, 09:28:35 AMWhat we got vs what we should have got.
(Credit to the artist)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zLHVVWng/5-A3-B5-BB9-8862-47-CE-950-E-C354-ADF53-EED.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLHVVWng)
I can't say I agree with "should have got" but dang if I don't wish that's what it looked like.
Yep feel the same.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 14, 2022, 07:37:27 PMQuote from: Kailem on Aug 14, 2022, 07:00:19 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 14, 2022, 06:49:06 PMDid they use different sets of hands throughout the film? In the scene where Feral touches and smells the ash (close up shot), the fingers look much better than in other shots.
I wouldn't be shocked if those were CG, just because, as you said, they look a lot thinner in that shot than in some of the others we see them in.
It's a strange one. Can't be that hard to make good practical hands. 😓
They knew to make the fingers long and skinny in the OG designs to prevent the hands from having that thick Halloween store monster glove look.
I forgot the mouth and cranium were changed too, probably because they don't irk me like the eyes do.
Quote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 12:48:58 PMDon't get me wrong, it's got the features of the Predator's face, but Godzilla 1998 also had Godzilla's dorsal plates, dinosaurian appearance, etc. Bit of an extreme example, but my point remains
Godzilla 98 is way more of a departure from tradition. The Resurrection Alien is more akin to Feral in this context
Quote from: skull-splitter on Aug 14, 2022, 01:00:42 PMI absolutely loved the Godzilla 1998 design because it tried something different
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Honestly, the more I see it. The more it solidifies the truth. This design is poorly executed and makes absolutely no sense. That is not a predator face. End of the story.
If it is not Stan Winston's design, it is not a predator. That's the truth.
It honestly is just so aggravating. It has totally made me lose interest in what is actually a good movie. Literally have no interest in seeing this movie again because this design is just not a predator.
As I have said before, it is sad to think now with this movies success and praise, I will never again see another predator movie with predator in it.
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Sure it isn't Stan Winston's design but it isn't intolerable, the more I see it the more it isn't so bad and I am absolutely a Stan Winston's Predator fan to the core, so if I can accept it then eventually I hope others can as well. However it's all down to personal opinion obviously.
Feral's big sausage fingers are kinda distracting now when compared to the close ups they did when he was smelling the ash. Why are they so thick?
It's weird. The claws are also stubby on the suit but pointed in CGI.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 14, 2022, 06:01:59 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2022, 05:49:17 PMThe Bible is for the EU, not the film universe. I've not seen Dan talk about seeing the bible - can you share?
Not sure which videos I shot these snaps from, but they may be referring to these comments.
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Yeah pretty much this:
And the interview of the article itself:
https://www.insider.com/prey-predator-2-easter-egg-gun-pistol-prop-detail-explained-2022-8
Oh, so if there is one for the EU, does that mean there is two Predator Bibles then?
I don't think the film department gives a shit about it.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 04:27:50 AMI don't think the film department gives a shit about it.
Hasn't Fox always bent over backwards to ensure that their movies abide by every last detail established in the comics and novels though?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2022, 05:49:17 PMThe Bible is for the EU, not the film universe.
Wait.... WHAT?!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Aug 15, 2022, 04:14:47 AMOh, so if there is one for the EU, does that mean there is two Predator Bibles then?
Yeah... cause now... I'm confused.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 04:34:44 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 04:27:50 AMI don't think the film department gives a shit about it.
Hasn't Fox always bent over backwards to ensure that their movies abide by every last detail established in the comics and novels though?
2018's The Predator clearly shows that they don't care.
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 15, 2022, 12:00:54 AMHonestly, the more I see it. The more it solidifies the truth. This design is poorly executed and makes absolutely no sense. That is not a predator face. End of the story.
If it is not Stan Winston's design, it is not a predator. That's the truth.
It honestly is just so aggravating. It has totally made me lose interest in what is actually a good movie. Literally have no interest in seeing this movie again because this design is just not a predator.
As I have said before, it is sad to think now with this movies success and praise, I will never again see another predator movie with predator in it.
(https://c.tenor.com/eXbdpqPTnIIAAAAC/batman-superman.gif.)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 15, 2022, 04:57:58 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2022, 05:49:17 PMThe Bible is for the EU, not the film universe.
Wait.... WHAT?!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Aug 15, 2022, 04:14:47 AMOh, so if there is one for the EU, does that mean there is two Predator Bibles then?
Yeah... cause now... I'm confused.
... did people not learn from Alien 3?
And Alien Resurrection?
And The Predator?
Yeah, I'm really not sure on the confusion here either. The films are not and have never been restricted by the comics or the novels or games. When Fox put together Bibles, they're for the people who are going to be working in the expanded universe, not for the people working on the films. The films can do what they want. That's the way it's been since in the early 90s...
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 05:23:17 AMAnd The Predator?
I didn't see that piece of shit.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 15, 2022, 05:45:00 AMI didn't see that piece of shit.
Cool how about the other two super blatant examples?
Like even
Predator 2 took the first issue of the comic and then yote the rest.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 05:23:17 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 15, 2022, 04:57:58 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2022, 05:49:17 PMThe Bible is for the EU, not the film universe.
Wait.... WHAT?!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Aug 15, 2022, 04:14:47 AMOh, so if there is one for the EU, does that mean there is two Predator Bibles then?
Yeah... cause now... I'm confused.
... did people not learn from Alien 3?
And Alien Resurrection?
And The Predator?
Not tryin to rattle cages, but alien 3 (specially the assembly cut) is a masterpiece on its own just like alien to aliens. All masterpieces in different ways. To me it's impossible to say which one is the better. Sure I like alien the most, but that's kinda like shitting on aliens and saying it's not as good.
Alien is a horror movie. Aliens was an adventure type movie, while alien 3 was a mix of both.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 06:33:33 AMCool how about the other two super blatant examples?
I saw Alien 3 and Resurrection. The Earth War comics and the Big Deletion weren't in my mind until you brought them up. I haven't been following the franchises for a few years, so I'm rusty.
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 15, 2022, 12:00:54 AMHonestly, the more I see it. The more it solidifies the truth. This design is poorly executed and makes absolutely no sense. That is not a predator face. End of the story.
For you, perhaps
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 15, 2022, 12:00:54 AMIf it is not Stan Winston's design, it is not a predator. That's the truth.
Predator and Predator 2 are available on DVD and Blu-ray, you can also watch them on Disney+
At least Feral's cheeks don't wrinkle when he closes his mouth.
From what I can tell from BTS stuff, the mask wrinkled, but they fixed it in post... I don't know why they can't just make the molds with the mouths closed and stretch them to open, but at least they're aware of the issue.
Because latex will stretch out. The only solution is to stop opening the mandibles so wide.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 14, 2022, 10:15:40 PMQuote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 12:48:58 PMDon't get me wrong, it's got the features of the Predator's face, but Godzilla 1998 also had Godzilla's dorsal plates, dinosaurian appearance, etc. Bit of an extreme example, but my point remains
Godzilla 98 is way more of a departure from tradition. The Resurrection Alien is more akin to Feral in this context
I somewhat agree, I think I'd say the Feral Predator is a bit in the middle of them both.
The Resurrection Xenomorphs definitely changed a lot but the head only received minor changes. It is a more organic look, but it still very clearly resembles the classic head dome. While in Prey's case, the majority of the design is consistent enough with previous Predators, the face (the biggest, most obvious focal point) has had its shape and form drastically altered, more than even Predators tried to alter.
Looks like an ant face, more vertical than before.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:04:09 AMBecause latex will stretch out. The only solution is to stop opening the mandibles so wide.
Or just patch up the folds with CGI
From the 1m12s mark
Why did they add crappy CGI？
PRobably same reason of the new the thing: studio dont think practical is cool enough and want cgi to add more digital effects that just end up looking bad in 5-10 years time. But its cool now.
Btw IIRC there was some talk about Steve Wang being involved in this one. Does anybody have details ?
It's not even cool now
looks shite
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 06:02:23 PMBtw IIRC there was some talk about Steve Wang being involved in this one. Does anybody have details ?
I think that was some hopefulness out of a few members, but never officially confirmed. I could be wrong though. I don't believe Steve worked on the film at all.
They both look good. It's just different. You'll come around eventually.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 15, 2022, 06:14:25 PMYou'll come around eventually.
Never! I still claim john carpenters the thing and alien and aliens still has the best practical gore effects that still freaks one out and looks damn realistic :O
Yeah, I agree that the CGI did not do Feral's face any favors.
I'd say the design looks like Mr. Black's cousin... twice removed. Maybe even inbred.
Feral is very much an ugly muff**ka, just like I like my Pred. A primal savage.
I don't want a hobo's version of a Stan Winston Pred, especially if you can't pull it off appropriately.
Catch me off guard with something unique but still retains the essence.
Some people just want the same thing, over and over again.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 15, 2022, 08:01:43 PMSome people just want the same thing, over and over again.
And some people want something that isn't so different that it's like a different species entirely.
Don't like the design but the practical looks better.
Like I said in another thread, you can have plenty of creative Predator designs within the established framework. You don't need to reinvent the wheel to innovate.
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 15, 2022, 08:28:50 PMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 15, 2022, 08:01:43 PMSome people just want the same thing, over and over again.
And some people want something that isn't so different that it's like a different species entirely.
and that would be hyperbolic as hell. It's clearly a predator.
Still not a fan of Feral's facial design and take but... Yeah, the practical looks better.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 15, 2022, 09:30:04 PMQuote from: Stitch on Aug 15, 2022, 08:28:50 PMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 15, 2022, 08:01:43 PMSome people just want the same thing, over and over again.
And some people want something that isn't so different that it's like a different species entirely.
and that would be hyperbolic as hell. It's clearly a predator.
A little hyperbolic, maybe, but if you showed a picture of feral's face to someone who hasn't seen Prey, I'm not convinced they'd automatically think it was a predator.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:31:39 PMLike I said in another thread, you can't have plenty of creative Predator designs within the established framework. You don't need to reinvent the wheel to innovate.
I tried to make that very same point on a different forum. Providing examples that included:
NECA Alpha Predator
Sideshow Collectibles Barbarian Predator
Sideshow Collectibles Bad Blood Predator
Hot Toys Scar 2.0
The person responded with saying they all looked the same. :o
Some people think all choppers look the same as well.
Another part of the face design that is still lacking, the mandibles need to extend past the nose area, lately the face is too flat. IMO below is ideal from the profile angle.
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/031/720/273/large/ivan-dedov-predator-hg-male-female-face-02.jpg?1604411912)
I didn't have a problem with the CGI face, but I do think the practical looks better, too bad we didn't get to see it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 15, 2022, 05:32:05 AMYeah, I'm really not sure on the confusion here either. The films are not and have never been restricted by the comics or the novels or games. When Fox put together Bibles, they're for the people who are going to be working in the expanded universe, not for the people working on the films. The films can do what they want. That's the way it's been since in the early 90s...
My confusion is that there must be consistency in the EU, in which only the fanbase will ever look at. However, for the films, it's a free for all? Isn't that always the reverse in every single media work ever? It's like at this point The Predator should be 100% valid because f**k it, do what you want....damm that sucks.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 15, 2022, 05:47:22 PMPRobably same reason of the new the thing: studio dont think practical is cool enough and want cgi to add more digital effects that just end up looking bad in 5-10 years time. But its cool now.
the cgi aready looks bad in Prey whereas davy Jones in pirates of the Caribbean still looks good, jurrasic world dominion used alot of animatronic puppets and I thought it looked to puppety at times, like the dilophisoarus and the dimetrodons.
Just a side note here, since I have not really confirmed and/or asked yet. But in regards to the Feral Predator design again.
Can anyone verify how the Medkit Backpack & Speargun weapon were both attached to his back?
I figured some straps under the armpits? But they do seem to look strictly attached to his back muscle? ??? *also, that "Skulls" logo original title there? Haha, thought Prey was a better call 8)
(https://iili.io/gKjUkg.jpg)
(https://iili.io/gKj6hv.jpg)
^ & Not a bad practical side profile of the Feral Predator here either I'd side ;D
I still dislike the Feral face design, definitely not my cup of tea
...but between the practical and the CGI, the former looks so much more real
It has real texture, the other has this fake smooth glistening look and I think wonkier proportions. They also seem to have elongated the roaring face and animated the brows with their crappy unnecessary CGI.
I believe they should have left the practical face in with only minor CGI enhancements to the mandibles that's all. The practical face is bloody brilliant, so much detail than what was seen on film. If they wanted more shine to the face they could've added more KY jelly to make it slimy like in the original predator. That one is still the holy grail for predator face realism on screen.
Amazing what they did in the 80s with good practical
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Aug 16, 2022, 12:18:44 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 15, 2022, 05:32:05 AMYeah, I'm really not sure on the confusion here either. The films are not and have never been restricted by the comics or the novels or games. When Fox put together Bibles, they're for the people who are going to be working in the expanded universe, not for the people working on the films. The films can do what they want. That's the way it's been since in the early 90s...
My confusion is that there must be consistency in the EU, in which only the fanbase will ever look at. However, for the films, it's a free for all? Isn't that always the reverse in every single media work ever? It's like at this point The Predator should be 100% valid because f**k it, do what you want....damm that sucks.
Basically the EU is beholden to the films, but not the other way round.
As always.
The practical is actually pretty sweet looking.
I would have preferred they stuck with that instead of the CGI face. I'm guessing they couldn't get the range of movement then wanted from the practical head.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Aug 15, 2022, 11:33:48 PMI didn't have a problem with the CGI face, but I do think the practical looks better, too bad we didn't get to see it.
It's there, unedited, in certain shots. The severed head was certainly practical
Thank god.
Didn't notice, but the severed head was bloody and seen in the dark mostly. The big "money shots" with the practical could've been nice. Still, I wouldn't call the CGI bad, but I always prefer practical when it's competent.
The worst CGI was the puma/mountain lion.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:04:09 AMBecause latex will stretch out. The only solution is to stop opening the mandibles so wide.
ehy don't they use silicone or sone other material tgsts wknt stretch out fast, maybe a fabric coated in latex or something.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 16, 2022, 04:32:42 PMThe worst CGI was the puma/mountain lion.
All the animal CGI wasn't so great to me. Too bad they couldn't use actual trained animals. Next Predator movie (using animals or not) deserves a much bigger budget to accommodate whatever they need.
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 16, 2022, 03:00:21 PMThank god.
We do have to mention the questionable entry with The Predator...
Quote from: pmaz11 on Aug 16, 2022, 01:27:35 AMJust a side note here, since I have not really confirmed and/or asked yet. But in regards to the Feral Predator design again.
Can anyone verify how the Medkit Backpack & Speargun weapon were both attached to his back?
I figured some straps under the armpits? But they do seem to look strictly attached to his back muscle? ??? *also, that "Skulls" logo original title there? Haha, thought Prey was a better call 8)
https://iili.io/gKjUkg.jpg
https://iili.io/gKj6hv.jpg
^ & Not a bad practical side profile of the Feral Predator here either I'd side ;D
In-universe, maybe something like the mask? We know the mask stays affixed to the face without any sort of clips or wires. So whatever tech holds the mask on might apply to the equipment? I don't know, Feral's the only one who does this.
Another side note question, has it been mentioned and/or confirmed that Feral's mask was the skull of a river ghost creature?
(https://i.postimg.cc/xCv1rC8m/River-Ghost.jpg)
I've seen it mentioned a few times and they definitely have some similarities but I don't remember ever hearing anything official.
The mask isn't supposed to be anything in particular.
it would be nice to see more of the red glowing effect in the deeper crevices in the final cut, ferals helmet is such an interesting design.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Aug 16, 2022, 04:22:15 PMDidn't notice, but the severed head was bloody and seen in the dark mostly. The big "money shots" with the practical could've been nice. Still, I wouldn't call the CGI bad, but I always prefer practical when it's competent.
I alit of tge final fight scenes were practical but cgi was bad compared to modern movies, it was to shiny and unfinished looking. I have no problem with subtle cgi enhancements or full cgi when it looks good but I can't see a reason for it since its looks worse then the animatronic head and doesnt match the other scenes that used it. It reminded me of a movie from the 1990s were you could really tell when it was cgi or not.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 16, 2022, 04:32:42 PMThe worst CGI was the puma/mountain lion.
Bear and deer were pretty bad as well
Alec just posted these on his IG story
alec_gillis Pleasure working with @michael_vincent_art on the organic aspects of the Feral Predator for @dannytrs
We've worked with Michael on a few projects and I always have a blast with him. I've always loved biologically plausible creatures so any concept artist who enjoys talking about viper sensor pits and secondary faces hidden in plain sight on tigers is okay by me.
Don't get me started on communicating through pheromones or the difference between squid tentacles and arms. Chemotactility? Not a topic for polite conversation.
Thanks to @dannytrs for letting us run feral on this one.
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Quote from: ace3g on Aug 17, 2022, 03:17:12 AMScreenshot 2022-08-16 221528.jpgScreenshot 2022-08-16 221603.jpg
Those last ones look very intimidating. The color makes it look vampiric :o
It does look creepy.
Posted this in BTS, but a whole thread here of design stuff:
https://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1560014174129795072?s=21&t=TH7rnELmAoG7gBk3b2o0VQ
I think we should rename him Will Feral.
(https://i.imgur.com/rHWEPxe.jpg)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 17, 2022, 10:01:21 PMI think we should rename him Will Feral.
https://i.imgur.com/rHWEPxe.jpg
You owe me a glass of whiskey :v
Can we get an art book?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 17, 2022, 09:43:13 PMPosted this in BTS, but a whole thread here of design stuff:
https://twitter.com/mv_creatures/status/1560014174129795072?s=21&t=TH7rnELmAoG7gBk3b2o0VQ
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaZIn2ZUEAAfFhw?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avpr-concept-073-justin-murray.jpg)
I knew I seen it somewhere.
That's a stretch imo
Hahaha
farzad_varahramyan Another take on the Feral Predator. Accentuating the creepy serial killer in the creepy woods vibe.
If you haven't yet, make sure you check out @michael_vincent_art amazing work on the Feral and final design.
A great pleasure to work with @tom_woodruffjr & @alec_gillis at StudioADI yet again, on director @dannytrs PREY.
Looks like a Japanese ghost girl.
Use that design for the Feudal Japan setting.
So is 1719 now considered the first ever Predator hunt on earth or just Feral's first hunt? Because the former would rule out a ton of interesting time periods.
Anyway what I'm saying is I want see Predators vs dinosaurs.
Dan Trachtenberg has stated that it's only Feral's first hunt on Earth, not the species as a whole.
Are the AvP films not canon to the Predator films?
(https://i.imgur.com/p4JbrYw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vlAlQsR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GWzalEK.jpg)
They exist in a grey area for now.
Snobs
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 18, 2022, 09:12:56 PMSnobs
Don't worry, I support fully-integrating Predator with AvP.
Spoiler
Just keep that silly shit away from Alien.
Local Snob
One of the worst Trilogies in all cinema, AVP, Requiem, and The Predator.
AvP is fine, The Predator is what it is, Requiem can go to canon hell
Scar, Wolf and Fugitive are cool
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2022, 08:14:56 PMAre the AvP films not canon to the Predator films?
https://i.imgur.com/p4JbrYw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vlAlQsR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GWzalEK.jpg
Some people argue easter egg but it's very hard to argue that when it's right with CH's combistick and Stargazer had collected OWLF materials for their uses. Like that is hard canon right there, no matter how anyone can argue that.
Fox's stance on those is that they are simply easter eggs
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 19, 2022, 03:19:02 AMFox's stance on those is that they are simply easter eggs
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 12, 2022, 12:46:21 PMI swear to God, "aVp IsN't CaNoN" is like a second coming of "tHeY kIlLeD hIcKs AnD nEwT"
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2022, 03:39:52 AMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 19, 2022, 03:19:02 AMFox's stance on those is that they are simply easter eggs
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 12, 2022, 12:46:21 PMI swear to God, "aVp IsN't CaNoN" is like a second coming of "tHeY kIlLeD hIcKs AnD nEwT"
And thus the conversation continues on....
If we are to get nitpicky about this, the makeshift spear shouldn't bet there at all, the last time we saw it, it was covered in acid, so the only thing that should have been recovered is the tail tip
The tail tip is the only part that really matters.
I can argue they're canon to The Predator, whether they're canon to the rest remains to be seen.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2022, 08:14:56 PMAre the AvP films not canon to the Predator films?
https://i.imgur.com/p4JbrYw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vlAlQsR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GWzalEK.jpg
Easy: That first picture is an Easter Egg, and the second and third pictures are just figments of your imagination.
Lmao yes
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 18, 2022, 09:42:58 PMOne of the worst Trilogies in all cinema, AVP, Requiem, and The Predator.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 19, 2022, 03:52:26 AMIf we are to get nitpicky about this, the makeshift spear shouldn't bet there at all, the last time we saw it, it was covered in acid, so the only thing that should have been recovered is the tail tip
It should be fine, the spear was thrown by the queen intact which for movie logic should be more than enough for Stargazer to get the spear.
Favorite mouth/mandibles closed position.
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I just love when after a movie comes out we get to see all of "could've beens". Especially ones from ADI: Requiem might be a piece of shit but I always loved just looking at all the crazy Predalien concept art they cane up with
Genuinely monstrous, imagine a PredAlien's mouth being something like that.
In a good or a bad way ?
Would be a great starting point for a PredAlien
And yet Feral has felt more like a bobble head than any Predator before.
Probably the giraffe neck.
Quote from: ace3g on Aug 19, 2022, 06:22:36 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/ChcmaKwrk4U/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Chb4ujpOIMh/
Favorite mouth/mandibles closed position.
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I like the last two. Something about them gives me the Hish vib of the recent PHG lore of them being what they originally looked like before becoming a altered slave race that evolved into the Predators that we know right now.
Wolf does have a huuuge head though, it shows so much even in the movie.
Quotejfields217 Prey Concept work and Art direction
Sanctum Studios was brought on to assist Studio ADI with design work and 3d modeling/printing support. Guided by @alec_gillis, @tom_woodruffjr and @dannytrs . We worked with Designers @michael_vincent_art and @farzad_varahramyan . Our Team consisted of Concept Artist @jfields217 (CCO) and @brobot24 (CEO), 3d modelers Mike Balian and Darius Cimpan. It was a great project and always enjoy working with Tom Woodruff jr. and Alec Gillis as well as the whole crew at Studio ADI. Working on Prey was absolutely a honor, The Original film is one of the all-time greats that inspired my love for movies and concept design.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nEXLg9
I was just looking through my folders and found this from lik 4 or 5 years ago:
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 20, 2022, 10:22:52 AMI was just looking through my folders and found this from lik 4 or 5 years ago:
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChekuRrMPq9/
It's very much in style of old Polish posters!
I just think it kinda looks like Feral's face
You have the precognitive powers of Rich Evans :laugh:
Quote from: Master on Aug 20, 2022, 06:08:34 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 20, 2022, 10:22:52 AMI was just looking through my folders and found this from lik 4 or 5 years ago:
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChekuRrMPq9/
It's very much in style of old Polish posters!
I second that.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 20, 2022, 09:23:57 PMYou have the precognitive powers of Rich Evans :laugh:
Ñah, I just wanted a Predator with more vertical, eĺngated face for quite some time. Kinda makes it look more wicked looking to me
The art and practical look better than the shit CGI in the film
Too bad the CGI face failed to capture the art and just ruined the practical look
Often that's the way.
I think it could have improved it if it were just applied to the mandibles though and other subtle touch-ups.
I found their CGI touch ups did not help. Before the film came out Dan said they used CGI to enhance anatomy such as seeing his calf muscles move as he walks. When the big closeup of his calves twitching as he walked appeared I thought they should have saved the money.
Wow Wolf looks f**king awful, no wonder the movie was so dark
IMO, Wolf mostly looks weird because the directors wanted a more shallow face.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 08:15:32 PMI found their CGI touch ups did not help. Before the film came out Dan said they used CGI to enhance anatomy such as seeing his calf muscles move as he walks. When the big closeup of his calves twitching as he walked appeared I thought they should have saved the money.
IMO it was a nice detail, but the face... they could have saved some money right there.
All it did was draw attention to the cgi calves. I wouldn't have noticed the suit calves moving or not.
You know something, I realized something that could have been neat to have again is the maskless red thermal vision. Some extra Predator POV scenes that could have helped to show that the Predator would have a harder time in hunting Naru during the course of the final fight. It just would also be nice to see the red version of the thermal vision again and have this reinforced as canon to refresh the memory of today's audience.
Last time we've seen it (the second time ever?) was in Predators 2010. Not that long ago.
Don't we also see it in AvPR with Wolf in the crashed ship?
Not sure. I rarely watch AvP-R. It could have been unrated cut and I've seen it once or twice.
Maybe in the unrated version, I'm not sure.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2022, 10:10:16 AMDon't we also see it in AvPR with Wolf in the crashed ship?
I don't think so
I'd check but Disney+ only has Theatrical Cuts for some inane reason.
As far as I recall the only times we've ever seen "Predator vision" were the original film and Predators.
We should have gotten it in Predator 2, but they kinda screwed up there and kept his thermal vision for the POV shots even when City Hunter's mask was off.
Quote from: Kailem on Aug 23, 2022, 07:50:32 PMAs far as I recall the only times we've ever seen "Predator vision" were the original films and Predators.
We should have gotten it in Predator 2, but they kinda screwed up there and kept his thermal vision for the POV shots even when City Hunter's mask was off.
City Hunter:
Helps keep all that LA smog out of his eyes, no doubt.
Wait that explains why his eyes look weird up close! Contact lenses! ;D
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/c5b44be0b3f7260e3ed897469685119d/tumblr_nrzw70TAmx1rp0vkjo2_500.gif)
My headcanon for the P2 infra-red issue was that the Predators just had implants with different default spectrums programed into them. A fallback in case the helmet came off.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2022, 08:51:36 AMMy headcanon for the P2 infra-red issue was that the Predators just had implants with different default spectrums programed into them. A fallback in case the helmet came off.
What about The Predator's Upgrade being able to see things out of perspective of it's own head? :laugh:
Same as magical none explainable thing.
(https://i.redd.it/mnz20zr0noq71.gif)
My headcanon is the ambient temperature of the Jungle was so close to the humans that Jungle Hunter's mask filtered it, and when the mask came off he saw in unfiltered infrared.
Because that's basically what happened.
I believe that was the actual intent behind-the-scenes, yeah.
And then in P2 he takes the mask off in the meat locker, with large temperate differences, and in the ship, where low lying water vapour isn't going to register as hot.
They see in infra red with and without the mask, no need for jiggery pokery.
Yeah, that's my take on this situation too. It is also possible, the mist inside the ship was a coolant of some sort, maybe a preparation for hypersleep. Same substance can be seen in AvP in sarcophagus where the Queen was stored.
The CGI is like a layer of shit
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(https://www.scified.com/articles/go-behind-scenes-prey-2022-with-these-newly-released-set-photos-11.jpg)
Quote from: happypred on Aug 24, 2022, 02:02:49 PMhttps://images.ladbible.com/resize?type=webp&quality=70&width=671&fit=pad&dpr=2&url=https://eu-images.contentstack.com/v3/assets/blt949ea8e16e463049/blt3d921f1236977821/62fa66ce182cd757089f635d/preypred.jpeg
Uuuuoa!😲 this shot looks so 90s🤩
Quote from: happypred on Aug 24, 2022, 02:02:49 PMhttps://www.scified.com/articles/go-behind-scenes-prey-2022-with-these-newly-released-set-photos-11.jpg
Amazing! 8)
Yeah. It looks much better without enhancement.
No it doesn't it looks like absolute garbage just like I said it would before we saw all these well lit photos of it. It's is f**king hilariously bad and the "iTs a dIFferNT sPEciEs" nonsense is not even a surprise. People will mindlessly consume anything at this point from this franchise so long as its given any dumb reason to justify its existence. The mo is itself was mid as hell and Critical Drinker did a flawless job of ripping this thing apart for the haphazardly written, contrived nonsense it is. Good for one watch, never to be remembered or held in any regard near the first two movies. Just another stain on the franchise.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 24, 2022, 02:53:35 PMPeople will mindlessly consume anything at this point from this franchise
Let's watch the attitude please. No need to start disrespecting folk. Remember we're all fans here, we're all adults.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 24, 2022, 02:53:35 PMJust another stain on the franchise.
Critical Drinker's the pinnacle of morons who know nothing about filmmaking just mouthing off. He's a stain on film criticism. And Prey's reception speaks for itself.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZb6eGmUYAAzwcY.jpg:large)
Rotten Tomatoes is not good example of reliable site either.
I could have screengrabbed from anywhere, how the majority of people feel about it is pretty unanimous and unambiguous.
Yeah not much of a argument there. The reception has been positive in every regard. Polls, critic reviews, audience scores, word of mouth, and social media have all been very positive.
Hard yo stain a franchise when you're consistently being rated so highly.
Spot on.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 24, 2022, 05:36:52 PMI could have screengrabbed from anywhere, how the majority of people feel about it is pretty unanimous and unambiguous.
I wasn't reffing to Prey just to Rotten Tomatoes only.
Rotten Tomatoes is just an aggregator, what's wrong with using it?
I liked the film but didn't love it. It's quite good but still way below the original film.
Really don't like how much Feral's face diverges from prior faces. Still, the practical is more palatable. I'd rate his CGI face at 0/10 and practical at 3/10
I also disliked Berserker's face and never came around to it.
The ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
Audiences have also proven time and time again they'll be insufferable contrarians whenever something is popular.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
brutally honest LMAO :D
Dane has done some brilliant movements with the suit!
Anti-SJWs are every bit the snowflakes they claim SJWs are
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort.
I suppose, but even within the Predator franchise this isn't really the case. Neither, AvP, AvP: R, Predators, or The Predator were critical darlings. Of the four movies the only ones to be considered any sort of financial success would be AvP and Predators and those were soft successes.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash.
I actually disagree on all of this. I like the face design, the CGI is a little wonky, but I like that Feral is a different Predator than we've seen before and I really like the masked look. But the movie itself is great -- in a franchise with mostly functional filmmaking (original Predator excluded) Prey is exceptionally well made. It's lyrical and poetic, but also pulpy, gritty, and fun. You obviously didn't like it, nothing wrong with that, but there's lots of folks who did (both critics and fans alike).
Quote from: SiL on Aug 24, 2022, 07:38:40 PMRotten Tomatoes is just an aggregator, what's wrong with using it?
Nothing wrong with using it. I'm just saying it's not very reliable and you know, it's based on few oppinions of critics, who are guys just like us.
Since we are on AvPGalax, just look at Predator 2 review
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/predator_2
Pure bullshit mate.
I'd say that's pretty accurate. It's niche, genre schlock. A lot of fun if you're into it but not really appealing to a broad audience.
Opinions form other sources for comparison.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0100403/?ref_=fn_al_tt_0
https://www.filmweb.pl/film/Predator+2-1990-8867
https://www.google.com/search?q=predator+2&sxsrf=ALiCzsaGT7Bv9y4b6Su-2lSo9L-x28kZlw%3A1661458121150&source=hp&ei=ydYHY5L5A4SHxc8PlNSOiAc&oq=predator+2&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBADMgQIIxAnMgoILhCxAxCDARBDMggILhCABBCxAzIICC4QgAQQsQMyBAgAEEMyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BwgjEOoCECc6BwguEOoCECc6BwguENQCEEM6BAguEEM6DQguELEDEIMBENQCEEM6BggjECcQEzoHCC4QsQMQQzoOCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQ1AJQ0AdYlhhg2hxoAXAAeAGAAd0DiAHMDpIBBzAuOS40LTGYAQCgAQGwAQ8&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp
I'd say it's pretty inaccurate of RT. Plus, you have 31 oppinions on RT vs tens of thousands oppinions on other sites.
RT isn't inaccurate, it is a percentage of collected reviews. That's it. Critic reviews scored it lower than audience reviews, and audience reviews still aren't overwhelmingly positive.
The 44% tomato score and the 6/10 rating elsewhere all points to "it's ok if its your thing".
Critics suck get better validation folks
:-*
See 30% movie is really low. I'd say 60% is much more accurate for regular viewer. My opinion is ofcourse biased and I do rate it much higher. But the main thing that makes RT inaccurate is that none of those opinions is evaluated as time goes by. Maybe all those years ago, compared solely to Predator, P2 felt subpair, but after 6 additional films that none managed to top first sequel, this score is harmful for such well done film.
Quote from: Master on Aug 25, 2022, 08:40:49 PMSee 30% movie is really low. I'd say 60% is much more accurate for regular viewer.
It's not a rating of the film, it's a percent of people who reviewed it positively. That's why audience score is higher - a greater number of audience members reviewed it positively.
But this is a purely binary look at positive vs negative. If you want to see what the
average rating is, then you look at other sites like IMDb.
RT is fine, people just need to use it properly.
Which exactly is the rating of the movie ;)
No, it's a percentage of people who were positive or negative. A 6/10 review could be considered negative.
How do you rate Predator 2?
5/10 or 6/10. Love it.
So, very entertaining yet not exactly well done film?
Exactly. Flawed out the asshole but a great ride if you're into that kind of thing.
Predator 2 easily a 10/10
Agreed on that. Some of it's scenes are the best I've ever seen, like Predator walking through water, to get King Willie. Most impresive.
-Edit-
It was the answer for Sil, but since Omega stepped in the middle I think my answer is even more appropriate to his post. For me Predator 2 in 8/10. Hell of a joy ride.
I still can't quite recover from an atomic bomb of "Harrigan has no character arc" SiL dropped on us
10/10 entertainment 5/10 movie.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2022, 09:34:47 PM10/10 entertainment 5/10 movie.
That makes it 7,5/10. Just saying ;) ;D
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 25, 2022, 09:18:34 PMI still can't quite recover from an atomic bomb of "Harrigan has no character arc" SiL dropped on us
I still disagree with that tbh and even then a movie can be many things and having a character arc is not always necessary. There is such a thing as story-driven
(Harrigan isn't among those to me, but point had to be written)
Story driven doesn't mean your characters are absolved from developing. Harrigan doesn't change his behaviour through the entire film. Approaches the climax the same way he approaches the beginning of the movie with nothing learned, no recontextualisation, nothing. Just the same "f**k authority give me my gun" attitude.
He had some development though. He has his own people being slaughtered and he is unable to do anything about it, so when the time comes he defy rules of OWLF and tries to rescue them, even though they were antagonising him half the movie.
Harrigan defied orders to save people at the begging of the movie. It's literally how his character is introduced. At no point does he seem willing to let anyone die, even the OWLF guys, so saving them is no development.
The opening and climax are mirrors with nothing learned in between.
Happy to throw this all to the Predator thread too.
Prey passes the pub test. You take 10 people from a pub you'd probably get about 7 that thought it was a good movie and the other three wouldn't watch that type of movie. I know this because my sister liked it and my mates that aren't Predator fans liked it. So among my small sample size the RT score is right.
None of those people ( absolutely zero) will say things like "The Predator face sucked" or " It didn't make sense that...."
They simply like a movie or don't, they don't ponder how Grey backs Pistol bla bla bla.
Closest I've come to trust is Jeremy Jahns. Even though he's quite a large presence, I feel he nails a lot about whats wrong with things and what's good with things that I would also think. I've never watched something he's watched and been way off in my rating.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 25, 2022, 11:38:43 PMNone of those people ( absolutely zero) will say things like "The Predator face sucked" or " It didn't make sense that...."
They simply like a movie or don't, they don't ponder how Grey backs Pistol bla bla bla.
Some have already said it before with other Predator-related movies, but after
Prey I don't want ADI to make any more Predators :-X
I really liked the movie, but I think Feral's design is not exactly one of the film's strengths. But casual audiences don't mind as you say, so I imagine more creative experiments to come as usual. I hope I'm wrong though, and I'm still happy anyway because Prey was well received by people. Although some are still angry, almost as if they wanted the movie to fail.
This is the most explicit example of "ADI was asked to do this weirdness" and people still blame them.
Yeah yeah, I know that they were asked to design another creature to gradually return to the Pred design or something...but it's always a bittersweet outcome with their Predators.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 26, 2022, 03:17:28 AMThis is the most explicit example of "ADI was asked to do this weirdness" and people still blame them.
Yep, as (https://variety.com/2022/artisans/news/prey-predator-design-hulu-1235339499/) multiple (https://screenrant.com/prey-dane-diliegro-gillis-woodruff-interview/) interviews (https://bloody-disgusting.com/interviews/3725065/prey-director-dan-trachtenberg-on-evolving-the-predator-with-the-franchises-longtime-fx-artists-interview/) have stated, Dan was involved intricately with the design process. They delivered exactly what he wanted. If folks don't like it that's totally fair, but it's gotten quite tiring seeing ADI always take all the blame for what fans don't like with a new design, as if ADI had complete creative control over that.
I don't blame ADI...but you know what? You're right. I don't like their Predators. Which is why I am looking forward for another studio to perform what the director asks them to design.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 26, 2022, 04:59:33 AMI don't blame ADI...but you know what? You're right. I don't like their Predators. Which is why I am looking forward for another studio to perform what the director asks them to design.
Fair enough. Pretty indifferent myself. Though if Dan gets another one it would more likely be Studio Gillis now so you don't have to worry. :p
Kidding aside, ADI has done more Preds than any other effects studio now, so I also wouldn't mind another having a shot. Would be cool to see KNB back. I'd say Legacy as well but they're way too busy with Star Wars.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 26, 2022, 04:59:33 AMI don't blame ADI...but you know what? You're right. I don't like their Predators. Which is why I am looking forward for another studio to perform what the director asks them to design.
I'm so sorry but you know what this means
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Whilst I'm not a huge fan of the face, I much prefer it to - here's another predator that sorta looks like a worse version of Predator 1.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 26, 2022, 06:20:24 AM@Immortan Jonesy
>:( >:( >:(
:P :P :P
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 26, 2022, 06:29:55 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 26, 2022, 04:59:33 AMI don't blame ADI...but you know what? You're right. I don't like their Predators. Which is why I am looking forward for another studio to perform what the director asks them to design.
I'm so sorry but you know what this means
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Quote from: Highland on Aug 26, 2022, 06:38:34 AMWhilst I'm not a huge fan of the face, I much prefer it to - here's another predator that sorta looks like a worse version of Predator 1.
Agreed, and that's been everything aside from Predator 2 and Predators if you are being somewhat generous.
That's why I genuinely think ADI did their best work on the Alien in their very first film, and their best work on the Predator in their last.
Quote from: Master on Aug 24, 2022, 05:25:03 PMRotten Tomatoes is not good example of reliable site either.
Even a broken clock can be right sometimes... I couldn't care about Rotten Tomatoes, but Prey is just solid.
I'd say it was closer to about a 7 to a 7.5 out of 10. Like ACM.
Reported for spreading harmful misinformation.
He likes to be a Local Trouble ;D
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2022, 11:37:57 PMI'd say it was closer to about a 7 to a 7.5 out of 10. Like ACM.
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2022, 11:37:57 PMI'd say it was closer to about a 7 to a 7.5 out of 10. Like ACM.
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Nightmare fuel! :o This one in particular reminds me of that creepy Goya painting 😂
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Me too.
It's almost like when it comes to the practical application, ADI's never put the concept in practice as good as the drawings. When it comes to the Predator in particular.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 30, 2022, 06:52:50 PMIt's almost like when it comes to the practical application, ADI's never put the concept in practice as good as the drawings. When it comes to the Predator in particular.
Yeah it was a bit too clean/smooth and lacked the fine details, grit and wet look that is present in the concept art. Had they pulled this design off like the art on screen I say we would've got the second best face design after the original Stan Winston one. It doesn't matter here that the mandibles don't close in an 'X' fashion but the concept art is very cool and intense looking like the original predator. Its all in the eyes, look at the eyes in the artwork, brilliant. The CGI ruined it too.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 30, 2022, 06:52:50 PMIt's almost like when it comes to the practical application, ADI's never put the concept in practice as good as the drawings. When it comes to the Predator in particular.
These concepts clearly aren't the final approved design, given they lack mandibles.
It's not up to ADI if the director says "Nah version 800 with dry skin and hella drool is where I wanna be."
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Looks pretty moist to me honestly, and ADI has spoken about Dan Trachtenberg wanting it even wetter than ever before and them being unable to accommodate, because the K-Y Jelly solution that they use just dried up constantly.
As for the mandibles in concept art sometimes they are present sometimes they are not for the sake of clarity.
Four times now I have seen the final design for the face of a Predator by ADI in either concept art or maquette form looking good, but then the actual practical head, does not look good. At some point here "what the director wants" stops working as an excuse for the final practical iteration, especially in the case of Prey, where it got replaced by CGI probably wisely.
So is it ADI's fault the thing dried up or is it the material limitations of trying to create the design?
The original moist Predators are seen in pretty quick cuts, easy to respray each time.
I reckon it is ADI's honestly.
And here's another example of ADI practical application compared to the CGI, I think you would have to be intellectually dishonest to not say that the CGI iteration's both better and clearly reflects the Director's intent in comparison to what ADI delivered.
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Considering that ADI has no problem making pointed claws, no, I can't blame them for that one. They very deliberately sculpted stubbier claws and then the CG model has them sharp. Something went horribly wrong in communicating between departments and since the CGI is later, it feels like ADI got shafted.
Or... like their prior Predator faces, what they delivered was not quite right in final realisation, for the fourth time- so Dan Trachtenberg opted to replace what he could when he could.
I believe this to be true considering the practical fingers do not look stubby or sharp, they just look awful, like Halloween shop gloves.
Nah, the claws are stubby in the sculpt and the sculpt is what gets approved. If Dan wanted them start there he should've asked for them sharp there.
Yes... it's the director's fault, four times in a row, not ADI, the one consistent element always in each project. Sometimes the sculpt looks far better than the final product. Fugitive comes to mind.
I mean... just look at Harbinger Down for ADI unrestrained.
Considering their Predators' hands haven't been an issue before this movie, yes, it does make sense that issue is not their fault.
Look at the sculpt of Feral's hands. It's exactly what's in the movie. The photos are freely available for you to look at.
I think if not for the nails they would look just nearly as fake in AVP.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTPsO4LXUAAbP43.jpg)
Their sculpt for the heads are what never quite makes it to the final practical product.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChjIEoYOBrE/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Last slide, stubby nails, weird sausage fingers, clay sculpt.
Scar's hands were fine, Wolf's were better, Fugitive's also.
And it's not like sculpted rubber gloves on a person ever look particular great so why this is the hill you're dying on I don't know. The original Predators' don't look fantastic in motion if you dwell on them too long.
I never said the clay sculpt for the hands were different from the final product though, just the heads and nearly always, I only said the hands look not great which I believe to be true.
Dan Trachtenberg opted to go for that sculpt, but for all we know that's ADI's fifth go round on the gloves and he just decided to move on than have them do them again, we just do not really know.
We do not even know how far back he planned to alter everything with CGI additions or replacements, could be just like Alien Covenant where everything or most everything got designed as a CGI stand in from the get go.
I didn't have an issue with any of ADIs work here. The CG hands just looked better than the gloves. I don't mind the glove work here though. I mean everytime I watch P2 I see the suit folding at the back of the knee, when he's carrying Willy's head. Sometimes there are some limitations to practical.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 01, 2022, 10:57:19 PMI mean everytime I watch P2 I see the suit folding at the back of the knee
Lmao me too every f**king time :laugh:
Same here
It's difficult to miss.
I'm too busy starting at City Hunter's thong to notice that
I'm sure someone can get a clear image of Feral's left hand when he's using his MediKit. Banana hands. ;D
I'm guessing the weird stubby design was precisely what Dan asked for, and then he saw it in practice and tried to fix it on the CG shots.
Which surprises me because they created the slimmest Predator we've seen. Honestly, the clay sculpt doesn't look bad at all.
I just can't stop staring at his hands. ;D
https://youtu.be/BSuduHXzjVk?t=384
How 'Prey' Forged a New Look for an Iconic Sci-Fi Creature
https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/how-prey-forged-new-look-iconic-sci-fi-creature?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 02, 2022, 08:38:05 PMWhich surprises me because they created the slimmest Predator we've seen. Honestly, the clay sculpt doesn't look bad at all.
I just can't stop staring at his hands. ;D
Totally agreed, the clay sculpt looks just fine, the practical glove though? Just sheesh.
With those fingers, maybe they plan on coming out with some other toys for Feral... ;)
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 03, 2022, 12:59:58 PMWith those fingers, maybe they plan on coming out with some other toys for Feral... ;)
Jesus Christ gurl calm down! :laugh:
:laugh:
Fine but alls I'm gonna say is another movie did the hotdog fingers better.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdTjrNBhERS/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Ay lmao it's true
Perhaps Feral suffers from the Predator equivalent of Oedema. I think Prince Charles has that condition, which explains his Sausage fingers 👀
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Also, maybe females Preds have penis fingers instead of vagina mouths.
Sometimes... it's better not to post.
As long as I don't break the rules, I'm going to post whatever I want. If someone doesn't like it, please feel free to use the ignore button. Or cover your eyes if the post was quoted or you are lurking without having logged in lol 🙈 ;D ;)
It's a joke... c'mon.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 04, 2022, 06:39:43 AMAs long as I don't break the rules, I'm going to post whatever I want. If someone doesn't like it, please feel free to use the ignore button. Or cover your eyes if the post was quoted or you are lurking without having logged in lol 🙈 ;D ;)
This a thousand times
You posted nothing offensive (unlike those people who've repeatedly referred to derogatory slang terms) & also, we're on a forum board discussing an R-rated film & also, penis fingers?
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Quote from: SiL on Sep 02, 2022, 07:40:13 PMI'm guessing the weird stubby design was precisely what Dan asked for, and then he saw it in practice and tried to fix it on the CG shots.
Precisement...
Only like Master Chief already said:
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 02, 2022, 10:02:42 PMQuote from: Master Chief on Sep 02, 2022, 08:38:05 PMWhich surprises me because they created the slimmest Predator we've seen. Honestly, the clay sculpt doesn't look bad at all.
I just can't stop staring at his hands. ;D
Totally agreed, the clay sculpt looks just fine, the practical glove though? Just sheesh.
The sculpt is every bit as stubby and awkward looking as the final thing. It does not look "fine".
Well Michael Vincent is on Twitter any pressing questions about Feral's fingers may find an answer there
Or perhaps I'll interview him someday. Hmmm
There was definitely some thinking behind making the claws short and stocky because it definitely wasn't an accident.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 05, 2022, 05:04:47 AMThere was definitely some thinking behind making the claws short and stocky because it definitely wasn't an accident.
They probably got that off geckos or - since the general gist is that this guy comes from a harsh climate - fat deposits on the fingers, sensorial fingers (more than the sense of touch) etc
And while the extra grip pads on the hands look interesting that's just extra latex on an area where you need it to be as thin as possible.
They also seem to disappear in CGI.
YT short showcasing practical feral
Quote from: happypred on Sep 05, 2022, 10:08:09 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI3d2EZPpdo
YT short showcasing practical feral
Nice vid. Just wish they'd have stuck with the practical face reveal. Really think the CGI pulls you out of it more than the practical would have.
I get why they went with CGI enhancements, but they clearly didn't have the resources to make the CGI enhancements better than the practical so they actually make it worse.
The practical eyes looked way more menacing.
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Awwww, I'd have liked to have seen some of those styles. Was something I kinda missed about the Emissaries too. They played with that in the concept art, and it's something I loved with Top-Knot in the comics.
This is the first film where I enjoyed the Predator's redesign, and where it worked for me. It wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel, just to do it. It was a redesign with a lot of explanation on to what its supposed to be. And it's not intended to replace previous Predator designs, but be an addition to it. It's world-building at it's finest.
Maybe I am the crazy one, but I would describe the hand here as elegant if unorthodox looking.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChjIEoYOBrE/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
And yet the one in the last slide here as not that.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Chz_jCcJdjI/
The ends of the fingers look inflated from the back of the hand angle, the thumb in particular, rather than looking textured from all other angles and slim from the back of the hand.
I miss the netting. I don't know why Hollywood has been so Hell bent on getting rid of it. They didn't want it on AVP:R. It was thanks to fan reaction that the netting got put on Wolf. The supers didn't have it, the guys in The Predator didn't have it, and neither does Feral. It adds so much texture to the design. Face aside I have no other complaints with how Feral turned out, really.
The face has grown on me with time, actually.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 24, 2022, 08:03:00 AMThe face has grown on me with time, actually.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 24, 2022, 08:03:00 AMThe face has grown on me with time, actually.
Oh don't get me wrong, I was never strongly against it. I'm just not in love with it either. They just haven't managed to touch the original face in my opinion. I'd say feral is the most convincing Predator we've had since Predator 2, though.
I like that a lot of the discussion has centered around him as a character. That shows something went right there. With Wolf and Scar/AVP Predators most of the discussion is centered around criticism or defense of the design more than of the characterization. Predator isn't just a mindless monster. It's a character, and each one we've seen has ultimately had an individual personality.
For me the gold standard will always be Greyback and his two minutes of screen time. So much is said with no dialogue. The same is very true of Feral, and I was happy to see they didn't treat him like... Like a Jason Voorhees character. Or the absolute goofiness that was The Predator.
As far as the face specifically goes. I don't know. I don't have strong feelings on it either way, except that it is better looking than Fugitive/Upgrade/Super/Scar.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 24, 2022, 08:24:13 AMI was happy to see they didn't treat him like... Like a Jason Voorhees character.
Funny you should say that
@SiL
If he doesn't agree he doesn't agree.
That's not a response I wanted dammit !
Quote from: SiL on Sep 24, 2022, 09:44:45 AMIf he doesn't agree he doesn't agree.
How dare you.Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2022, 10:28:34 AMThat's not a response I wanted dammit !
There, i'm picking a fight with Sil. Which is paramount to ritual suicide. Happy now?
I want blood, I want violence, I want stabing, strangling and scratching !
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 24, 2022, 07:10:44 AMI miss the netting. I don't know why Hollywood has been so Hell bent on getting rid of it. They didn't want it on AVP:R. It was thanks to fan reaction that the netting got put on Wolf. The supers didn't have it, the guys in The Predator didn't have it, and neither does Feral. It adds so much texture to the design. Face aside I have no other complaints with how Feral turned out, really.
Assassin lacks netting but Fugitive has it at his sides and on his legs.
It's undeniable that feral has many Jason-esque moments though. A bit too many.
The spear through the chest and him just going on with things was a bit of a line for me.
Predators are aware of their own mortality and that's a pretty major wound. Anytime and City Hunter would've left to recuperate because holy shit I've just been impaled.
I know people explain it as "it's just who he is, he's a tank", but to me it makes him feel like zombie Jason. There's no sense this thing's putting any effort into keeping itself alive and is really just coasting on luck - and that's not what I see when I watch Predator movies.
It got the top left of his chest, likely avoiding vital organs
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That's through his rib cage. Every other Predator heavily armours the left side of their chest. There's clearly vital organs there.
Also, kind of irrelevant if it hit a vital organ or not when it's a massive hole in your body. There is nowhere on the body that isn't a significant and potentially life threatening injury.
Scar got hit near the same place and kept going but I'm not sure "AvP did it" is a glowing endorsement. Even then Scar is slightly more forgivable as the wound was higher and actually in the shoulder joint, and he was in the process of fleeing and didn't really have a choice to run away from the Queen. Feral could've bailed.
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2022, 10:59:44 AMI want blood, I want violence, I want stabing, strangling and scratching !
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With the modern entertainment climate and its associated standards, it's unsurprising that they went with a 'damage-sponge' approach when it comes to the Predator. It makes a lot of legacy fans happy, it attracts potential new fans and so forth.
I didn't really mind it, to be honest. They didn't overdo it and it worked fine within the context of the film - the Predator never felt too overpowered.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 24, 2022, 10:18:09 PMIt got the top left of his chest, likely avoiding vital organs
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Hardly. It's a mortal wound.
For this species we know next to nothing about the biology of?
Yeah okay...
For human. We've seen Predator take punishment no mortal man could survive and we know they are much more resilient then us, no argument about that. Still it's not avoiding vital organs and is no flash wound.
Predators do not like having holes opened in them, they're pretty consistent with that across every movie.
Jungle Hunter heals his leg wound. City Hunter runs for medical treatment. Scar is killed being impaled. Wolf needs to patch up when he gets impaled. Falconer is killed by being cut open with a katana.
We also see them armour that side of the chest even when leaving the other side completely exposed, which kind of tells us something.
"But it's an alien" doesn't work when you're 7 movies deep and the previous 6 were pretty much in agreement on a subject.
What makes you think Feral loved having this hole in him? He closes the wound offscreen. Not the first time a Predator gets a hole in a vital area of the body, CH took multiple gunshots to his gut and exposed chest (right where his heart would be) and was still able to walk around just fine after laying down in the ground for a few seconds.
It gets up, kills Keyes and runs. It doesn't hang around to finish Harrigan off.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 08:08:41 AMIt gets up, kills Keyes and runs. It doesn't hang around to finish Harrigan off.
Nope, it tries finishing him off then and there more than once.
While running away. It doesn't stop to confirm if it hit Harrigan or not on the rooftop, he throws the spear and gets ready to keep running. That's how Harrigan is able to blindside him.
Then he tries to blow himself up.
If the spear was the only thing out of place I wouldn't really care, but it was more the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of feeling like I'm watching Jason with a cloaking device.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 08:16:23 AMWhile running away. It doesn't stop to confirm if it hit Harrigan or not on the rooftop, he throws the spear and gets ready to keep running. That's how Harrigan is able to blindside him.
Then he tries to blow himself up.
If the spear was the only thing out of place I wouldn't really care, but it was more the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of feeling like I'm watching Jason with a cloaking device.
Immediately after getting up, CH starts chasing Harrigan around the freezer, he was hellbent on killing him until he got ambushed for the third time that night, this time by Keyes.
Sil's right.
It is a inconsistency. I don't know that I would call it Voorhees, but it is an inconsistency. However I will say it seems to be an inconsistency that is consistent with the Feral Predator over all. He's a bit of a messy brute.
But yeah, CH was absolutely retreating after getting shotgunned. He was using the respirator, which I don't care what anyone says, I still hold that has more to do with his injuries than it does the atmosphere. Jungle Hunter had no such issue and made that choice deliberately.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 26, 2022, 08:22:39 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 08:16:23 AMWhile running away. It doesn't stop to confirm if it hit Harrigan or not on the rooftop, he throws the spear and gets ready to keep running. That's how Harrigan is able to blindside him.
Then he tries to blow himself up.
If the spear was the only thing out of place I wouldn't really care, but it was more the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of feeling like I'm watching Jason with a cloaking device.
Immediately after getting up, CH starts chasing Harrigan around the freezer, he was hellbent on killing him until he got ambushed for the third time that night, this time by Keyes.
He smashed the gun and started lumbering after him knowing he was unarmed. When Keyes got him and he realised he was injured and under attack he left. He didn't stop to fight Harrigan again; like I said, he threw the spear and resumed running. He didn't even try to get his weapon back or confirm his prize trophy.
Feral was injured and under attack and kept going.
Whether you care about there being a difference is up to you, but there is a difference in characterisation there.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 08:36:53 AMHe smashed the gun and started lumbering after him knowing he was unarmed. When Keyes got him and he realised he was injured and under attack he left. He didn't stop to fight Harrigan again; like I said, he threw the spear and resumed running. He didn't even try to get good weapon back.
Feral was injured and under attack and kept going.
Whether you care about there being a difference is up to you, but there is a difference in characterisation there.
Except that is literally what he did, he pulled the disk out and killed the only real threat in the area?
Infact, after killing Keyes he starts chasing Karrigan again lol
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 26, 2022, 08:38:32 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 08:36:53 AMHe smashed the gun and started lumbering after him knowing he was unarmed. When Keyes got him and he realised he was injured and under attack he left. He didn't stop to fight Harrigan again; like I said, he threw the spear and resumed running. He didn't even try to get good weapon back.
Feral was injured and under attack and kept going.
Whether you care about there being a difference is up to you, but there is a difference in characterisation there.
Except that is literally what he did, he pulled the disk out and killed the only real threat in the area?
He threw a one hit kill weapon - which he could've then used on Harrigan, his prize trophy, but chose to leave.
Feral missed several times and was having rings run around him.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli
Infact, after killing Keyes he starts chasing Karrigan again lol
I know that's supposed to be a gotcha but it just kind of feeds into "wounded Predator struggles to kill prey, leaves instead of pressing it".
City Hunter does chase Harrigan up the ladder, and does take one last crack at trying to kill him, but he's also very clearly trying to get outta dodge and head back to the ship. He's looking in that direction when Harrigan gets the drop on him with the spear. He's also very clearly not doing fine because he abandon's his mask and his spear in favor of retreat.
Who knows? Maybe Feral was on some Predator Space Ganje... Anything is possible.
I did forget Harrigan goes up the ladder first.
As I said earlier, the spear itself isn't a big issue, but it's the straw that broke the camel's back while watching. It's not so much that he doesn't seem worried about that injury as he doesn't seem to care about getting injured in the first place.
That lack of a sense of self preservation, coupled with his lumber-on-the-ground-toward-the-enemy approach, all goes towards feeling like Jason with a cloak. He doesn't feel like a character, he feels like a movie monster.
To me.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 07:57:15 AMFalconer is killed by being cut open with a katana.
As much as I like Predators, that moment felt very anticlimactic to me, like "Oh, that's it ?"
City Hunter doesn't attempt to go back to his ship until his arm is cut off. He tries to engage Harrigan with a chest and stomach full of shotgun slugs up until that time.
Feral is shown fixing his wounds before the spear and we can easily assume he patches himself up after the injury.
Honestly it doesn't really feel out of place with the species unless you're trying grasp some straws.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 26, 2022, 01:23:31 PMCity Hunter doesn't attempt to go back to his ship until his arm is cut off. He tries to engage Harrigan with a chest and stomach full of shotgun slugs up until that time.
That's exactly what he's doing after he throws the spear. He's looking towards the building where the ship is hidden.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 26, 2022, 01:29:00 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Sep 26, 2022, 01:23:31 PMCity Hunter doesn't attempt to go back to his ship until his arm is cut off. He tries to engage Harrigan with a chest and stomach full of shotgun slugs up until that time.
That's exactly what he's doing after he throws the spear. He's looking towards the building where the ship is hidden.
He just engaged Harrigan and missed, then uses he mask device as Harrigan knocks him off of the roof. I never got the impression that after throwing the spear the predator is looking for his ship on the edge of the roof. He chased Harrigan around until that moment.
He's facing away from Harrigan in the direction he wants to go. He throws the spear and turns around, rather than follow up.
And? He still spent far more time trying to kill Harrigan after getting pumped full of slugs than Feral spent killing Tabee after being impaled
If you want to keep running circles be my guest, but I've said what I have to say and whether anyone agrees or not really doesn't matter.
Getting back on thread, I know they've been posted before but I wish they'd used the LEDs in the mask at least once in the movie, it's a nice touch.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5m7xlvyu5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Quote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 09:34:21 PMGetting back on thread, I know they've been posted before but I wish they'd used the LEDs in the mask at least once in the movie, it's a nice touch.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5m7xlvyu5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Criminal that they didn't.
Hopefully we get a few deleted or alternate scenes on the Blu-ray utilizing it.
https://twitter.com/MV_Creatures/status/1575225023195127808
Quote from: choccy milk on Sep 26, 2022, 10:04:09 PMQuote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 09:34:21 PMGetting back on thread, I know they've been posted before but I wish they'd used the LEDs in the mask at least once in the movie, it's a nice touch.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5m7xlvyu5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Criminal that they didn't.
Eh, I think it would be a little too much
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 26, 2022, 11:46:00 AMAs much as I like Predators, that moment felt very anticlimactic to me, like "Oh, that's it ?"
That's the entire movie really...
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 29, 2022, 06:12:21 PMEh, I think it would be a little too much
Depends on how it's photographed!
Quote from: choccy milk on Sep 29, 2022, 06:15:05 PMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 26, 2022, 11:46:00 AMAs much as I like Predators, that moment felt very anticlimactic to me, like "Oh, that's it ?"
That's the entire movie really...
Exactly :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 09:34:21 PMGetting back on thread, I know they've been posted before but I wish they'd used the LEDs in the mask at least once in the movie, it's a nice touch.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5m7xlvyu5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
They used it briefly. The LEDs can be seen through the blood right after he killed the bear.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 03, 2022, 05:02:53 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 09:34:21 PMGetting back on thread, I know they've been posted before but I wish they'd used the LEDs in the mask at least once in the movie, it's a nice touch.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5m7xlvyu5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
They used it briefly. The LEDs can be seen through the blood right after he killed the bear.
Well, damn, I guess I need to watch that scene again
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 03, 2022, 05:12:23 AMQuote from: Master Chief on Oct 03, 2022, 05:02:53 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2022, 09:34:21 PMGetting back on thread, I know they've been posted before but I wish they'd used the LEDs in the mask at least once in the movie, it's a nice touch.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5m7xlvyu5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
They used it briefly. The LEDs can be seen through the blood right after he killed the bear.
Well, damn, I guess I need to watch that scene again
Looking at that now, I believe that's just the orange glow of the hex-grid cloak on the fritz. You can see the pattern, and it doesn't match the placement of the red LEDs in the behind the scenes pics. The light trails are over Feral's body under the blood as well.
Yeah I thought that was the cloak struggling.
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Practical gets thumbs up from me. My main problem with CGI version is that artificial-as-f**k looking shine they added to it
I much prefer the practical one, the eyes in particular.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Oct 20, 2022, 03:57:53 PMhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1006567474596155402/1032683537050128384/SPOILER_unknown.png?width=847&height=676Discuss
Nothing to discuss...practical looks WAY better.
I don't know, I feel there's an interesting discussion to be had about how CGI has so empowered filmmakers to make everything look like how they want it that they lose sight of the forest for the trees and waste significant time and money on shit that ultimately hurts the end product.
Like sure, the CGI model has more "realistic" shading and refraction and etc. etc. for skin than latex does. And yeah, we get to see all the little motions and muscle twitches that a rubber animatronic just can't quite nail. But does any of that add anything meaningful to the final image? No.
To me, the practical latex version doesn't look more realistic than the CG one. (Although I'm only looking at them on my crappy phone.) And I actually prefer the sweaty shine they put on the CG skin over the dry, matte, dusty look of the latex. There's a reason why, for years, monsters relied on slathering gobs of KY-jelley to the latex skin to disguise the dry rubber look. Everything from Alien to The Thing, American Werewolf in London, and virtually every other monster from the 80s an 90s. They could have gone for silicon which has a more flesh-like realism but presumably the fragility of that material was a no-go for the rigours of location shooting out in the woods and the demands of physical action and stunts.
But really, the main reason for choosing the CG option is budgetary. It means you can push the art and craft effort into post. Doing it practically means committing budget and resources up-front. Leaving it to post means you get to review what's been shot and only allocate resources according to what remains in your schedule and funds. And you get start with the 'Must Do' shots and work your way to the 'Would Be Nice To Improve If We Still Have Money And Time' shots.
TC
So slap some KY on Feral on location and get that glossy sheen.
Wolf used silicone skin and it 100% did not help him look more realistic unfortunately.
QuoteLeaving it to post means you get to review what's been shot and only allocate resources according to what remains in your schedule and funds
Normally, yes -- but they had a fully functioning animatronic on-set that they digitally repainted. That's just double-handling and fairly wasteful spending. And from the looks of it that was planned, not a "oh woops, it looks bad, better fix it" revelation.
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Actually, no, it's not really true. You usually allocate the funds to the post-production at the outset. At the beginning of production you break down the script, establish your effects shots, and even prioritise them according to your budget. If you're getting to post production and saying "OK, how much do we have left to spend on putting the monster in our monster movie?", you've done something horribly wrong.
I believe Studio ADI (AVPG interview I think, although I am not completely certain) spoke about the K-Y Jelly drying so fast it made things arduous, and look at the mandibles and the hand replacement shot, some of it is obviously influenced by a "this does not look that great" reaction assuredly.
They simply did not have the time to get the digital up to par in terms of believability and consistency, something Dan Trachtenberg outright admitted in the AVPG interview that the face needed more work but they had no more time for further refinement.
Surely if you're going to replace the face digitally and know it's probably the most important thing you maybe let go of things like "I really need these calf muscles to twitch".
Swings back to:
QuoteCGI has so empowered filmmakers to make everything look like how they want it that they lose sight of the forest for the trees and waste significant time and money
I'll need to listen to all the interviews.
Some clarification: When I said, "To me, the practical latex version doesn't look more realistic than the CG one," I wasn't talking about the Predator's depiction throughout the entire movie, I was just referring to the two before and after photos shown in the earlier post.
TC
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Oct 20, 2022, 03:57:53 PMhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1006567474596155402/1032683537050128384/SPOILER_unknown.png?width=847&height=676Discuss
Think they did something to the facial structure in the cg version. Can't quite nail it yet- something about the orientation of the eye sockets
I think they narrowed them and brought the mandibles in closer to the jaw, slimming the whole face.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 21, 2022, 07:22:38 AMand look at the mandibles and the hand replacement shot, some of it is obviously influenced by a "this does not look that great" reaction assuredly.
Turns out the practical hands were always placeholder.
From the Stan Winston Studio article:
QuoteWhen we do a finger cup with an extension, we lose the last joint. People notice that. So that was always a plan, we're gonna do a digital hand."
The scene with the ash and the CG hand is the best CG in the movie imo, could barely tell it was CG, only after someone pointed it out it became obvious, and even then it was still hard to notice it
(https://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg)
If only we were lucky :'(
I like that that's still a drastic redesign while being immediately recognisable as a Predator. Keep the red tones, mask, and thin dreads from the movie, they were fine, but those forms and the eyes look like a Predator.
It is redesign done right, insted of what was done in the movie. It's was simple chenge of the desing more akin to what was done with Superpredators.
That actually looks good, unlike the potato we got in the movie.
Everyone says that ONLY because of what we did get.
If this had been the original design, people would have been crying about how different it is from the original Jungle Hunter.
Fans are never happy.
People would also be unhappy with a 1:1 recreation of Jungle Hunter
At least the original design returned in Predators. I still hope the same thing happens with Alien....
Edit: In movie form I say 👉👈
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
If only we were lucky :'(
Replace the usual JH color pallet with Feral's current color scheme and then we have something going on.
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
If only we were lucky :'(
Where is this from?
The image isn't showing up for me. Can someone repost it?
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
If only we were lucky :'(
This is awesome. Really interesting to see what could have been. Proof that there's a way of doing different looking predators from other parts of their world/other worlds whilst retaining that iconography.
Have to say that, although I didn't like Feral's face at first, I'm quite indifferent to it now (though, as a huge fan, indifference is a disappointing reaction to have I suppose ;D ).
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
If only we were lucky :'(
Huh not bad
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
If only we were lucky :'(
Again, I stand by the masked design as one of my favourite of the franchise. But yeah, I really wish this would have been the look once the mask came off. It's so recognizably the Predator without looking too far removed.
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
If only we were lucky :'(
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Here's an article of the redesign with more angles. This is truly a praise worthy work of art.
https://www.predator4-movie.com/news/prey-fan-art-combines-feral-predator-original-jungle-hunter-predator-designs
Really not a fan of the Feral mask less look in art or not obscured by the shadows in the film.
Feels like they didn't want to get stuck should the law suit go against Disney so changed enough to get away with it.
I'd rather Feral kept his mask on the entire movie.
Quote from: dnicholson277 on Feb 26, 2023, 12:18:06 PMI'd rather Feral kept his mask on the entire movie.
I think the face reveal is one of the best parts of any Predator movie. It's something I'm always looking forward to.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 28, 2023, 03:08:47 PMQuote from: dnicholson277 on Feb 26, 2023, 12:18:06 PMI'd rather Feral kept his mask on the entire movie.
I think the face reveal is one of the best parts of any Predator movie. It's something I'm always looking forward to.
The face reveal in this one was pretty great imo, even if the face is ugly
https://twitter.com/FANGORIA/status/1660456879082840065
It would've been better if they didn't used CGI to enhance the face it would've looked way better.
Looks way better without cgi.
Nice to see another in-depth BTS StudioADI video posted. Was wondering if we'd get one for Prey. Man, so much went into the making of this thing.
They did an amazing job imo.
the only really good predator designs were 1 and 2.
everything that came after didn't look good anymore. I'm specifically referring to the head designs without a mask.
(there were still cool masks, like Scar and Wolf.) but feral is the biggest crash so far.
despite everything, I admire the talents of the designers and know the work that goes into this.
It is often the case that the designer only works according to the director's orders, even if he may have a different opinion about design decisions.
for example AVP-R:
The Strausses wanted the aliens to be more muscular and massive instead of insect-like.
wrong direction...
I'm glad ADI made this video as the bluray special features left something to be desired.
It def one one of the coolest and prettiest predators... I love seeing the WIPs and just how they got to the final design.
Don't remember this one being posted.
Another look at the practical design of the head.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FewclCbXkAICoEn?format=jpg&name=900x900)
So it's been a while since the movie has been released and the dust has settled.
Has Dan Trachtenberg addressed the controversial new predator face design and why he decided to move on from the classic Winston design? Has he addressed the fans negative opinions of the change?
Maybe even referencing a future sequel design?
Quote from: CANNON on Nov 11, 2023, 02:46:00 PMSo it's been a while since the movie has been released and the dust has settled.
Has Dan Trachtenberg addressed the controversial new predator face design and why he decided to move on from the classic Winston design? Has he addressed the fans negative opinions of the change?
Maybe even referencing a future sequel design?
Nope, there are not much people who want that great design back, not enough anyway.
Literally everyone wants either the Winston design or something similar that does it justice, you gimboid.
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
this just looks so good compared to the actual Prey look
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2023, 09:03:39 PMLiterally everyone wants either the Winston design or something similar that does it justice, you gimboid.
If you're right, then they should tell it to the producers, if not you'll get another piece of sh*t pred design the next time.And it's working like that since 2004.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 14, 2023, 01:50:01 AMQuote from: Master on Feb 06, 2023, 08:23:24 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/UqWj2bu.jpeg
this just looks so good compared to the actual Prey look
Imo that looks awful.
I'd rather just had the Hot Toys version of the Prey face, just like I'd rather have had their take on the AVP face.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 26, 2023, 12:54:36 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 26, 2023, 11:21:33 AMI actually like that unmasked. Whatever tweaks they did, I actually like that more than the film's look.
Just thinking the same thing actually, it is just overall better proportioned.
Not the first time.
https://www.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Alien-vs-Predator-Ancient-Predator-016.jpghttps://www.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/AVP-Celtic-Predator-013.jpghttps://www.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Alien-vs-Predator-Scar-Predator-014_1356012699.jpg
Feral:
https://www.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Hot-Toys-Feral-Predator-004.jpghttps://www.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Hot-Toys-Feral-Predator-019.jpghttps://www.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Hot-Toys-Feral-Predator-003.jpg
Prime 1 did the same thing with Fugitive:
https://www.prime1studio.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-p1s-master-catalog/default/dwc4e217fc/images/LSTPR-01DX/catalog/lstpr-01_a02_1.jpghttps://www.prime1studio.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-p1s-master-catalog/default/dw4174ec68/images/PMTPR-01DX/catalog/pmtpr-01dx_a02_head.jpg
Just wished they looked like this in the actual films!
Quote from: Yautja888 on Nov 18, 2023, 06:11:37 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2023, 09:03:39 PMLiterally everyone wants either the Winston design or something similar that does it justice, you gimboid.
If you're right, then they should tell it to the producers, if not you'll get another piece of sh*t pred design the next time.And it's working like that since 2004.
I'm going to assume English is not your first language, because the post of yours I was replying to heavily implies that the fault is with the consumers/fandom, not the execs or directors. The fact that people are willing to give other designs a fair shake (or merely tolerate them, in many cases) is not the same as a majority disliking or not wanting the original design or variations of it.
It seems, to me at least, that what they're trying to do is similar to how contemporary brands redesign cars, phones, etc. They just drop a new look for whatever they produce (in this case the predator) and kinda force you to get used to it and convince you that the previous/original design is outdated.
I don't like this new appearance. It looks as if it's redesigned just for the sake of having a redesign.
It doesn't even look like a predator.
...
!1PredRuined.JPG
I wonder how well it can even see with those inflated brows covering a portion of their eye sight?
Heat-sensing pits in its forehead.
Quote from: BritishActorFromAlien3 on Dec 04, 2023, 12:52:31 AMIt seems, to me at least, that what they're trying to do is similar to how contemporary brands redesign cars, phones, etc. They just drop a new look for whatever they produce (in this case the predator) and kinda force you to get used to it and convince you that the previous/original design is outdated.
I don't like this new appearance. It looks as if it's redesigned just for the sake of having a redesign.
It doesn't even look like a predator.
...
!1PredRuined.JPG
it just looks clunky and awkward.
the SW designs have a certain filigree and expression. At ADI it looks very puffy and rubbery.
(also their aliens)
I repeat myself:
I like Alex and Tom very much.
There's a lot of work that goes into this design itself.
It's always easy to complain about something, you first have to do it better yourself.
BUT Fans have proven that they can do even better and I don't understand how Feral's design was allowed.
Quote from: Neila on Dec 05, 2023, 10:02:00 AMQuote from: BritishActorFromAlien3 on Dec 04, 2023, 12:52:31 AMIt seems, to me at least, that what they're trying to do is similar to how contemporary brands redesign cars, phones, etc. They just drop a new look for whatever they produce (in this case the predator) and kinda force you to get used to it and convince you that the previous/original design is outdated.
I don't like this new appearance. It looks as if it's redesigned just for the sake of having a redesign.
It doesn't even look like a predator.
...
!1PredRuined.JPG
it just looks clunky and awkward.
the SW designs have a certain filigree and expression. At ADI it looks very puffy and rubbery.
(also their aliens)
I repeat myself:
I like Alex and Tom very much.
There's a lot of work that goes into this design itself.
It's always easy to complain about something, you first have to do it better yourself.
BUT Fans have proven that they can do even better and I don't understand how Feral's design was allowed.
If I were shown this creature without the understanding that it was a Predator I would've guessed it was a Predator knock off. Personally the character grew on me but I much prefer the Winston predators and the KNB's Predators.
It wasn't Tom and Alec who had the final say or direction on the look though. It all came from Dan. He directed them to go a certain way and he made the final call. Tom and Alec just lead the team after they're given the direction.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Dec 06, 2023, 07:52:46 PMIt wasn't Tom and Alec who had the final say or direction on the look though. It all came from Dan. He directed them to go a certain way and he made the final call. Tom and Alec just lead the team after they're given the direction.
Even so, look at the Hot Toys version, slight tweaking of proportions but much better looking.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 06, 2023, 07:58:55 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Dec 06, 2023, 07:52:46 PMIt wasn't Tom and Alec who had the final say or direction on the look though. It all came from Dan. He directed them to go a certain way and he made the final call. Tom and Alec just lead the team after they're given the direction.
Even so, look at the Hot Toys version, slight tweaking of proportions but much better looking.
Yes. But that... isn't the same as the director giving them direction to pull back on the traditional look. Thats a toy based off of that look. And yeah, the toy tweaks look nice. But like, it's not hard to see it's not on Tom and Alec, it was Dan's decision. They also replaced the face with CGI. Nothing ADI did there, that's all direction from Dan. So I'm just not sure why ADI is the sole blame over and over again.
Are people critiquing the face of Feral here, or that ADI even worked on the movie? I believe in one of the interviews Ridgetop and Aaron did with Dan, he even admits he went too far with the face after hearing the reception.
I think Prey's easily ADI's best work since Alien³ but (It's fitting it's their last film.) the design itself in Prey could have been better proportioned like in the art and figure. It just needed a last refinement.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Dec 06, 2023, 08:05:30 PMI believe in one of the interviews Ridgetop and Aaron did with Dan, he even admits he went too far with the face after hearing the reception.
Glad to hear it, I'm still very much not a fan of Feral's face.
I get the thought and care that went into the reasoning behind the design change, and I can respect it.
But the end result makes some of the Emissary Predator designs in 'The Predator' look downright delectable.
Really looking forward to getting the NECA figure for Feral. Also really looking forward to putting the mask on and never taking it off.
Quote from: BritishActorFromAlien3 on Dec 04, 2023, 12:52:31 AMIt seems, to me at least, that what they're trying to do is similar to how contemporary brands redesign cars, phones, etc. They just drop a new look for whatever they produce (in this case the predator) and kinda force you to get used to it and convince you that the previous/original design is outdated.
I don't like this new appearance. It looks as if it's redesigned just for the sake of having a redesign.
It doesn't even look like a predator.
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Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 05, 2023, 02:11:36 AMI wonder how well it can even see with those inflated brows covering a portion of their eye sight?
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 05, 2023, 02:11:36 AMI wonder how well it can even see with those inflated brows covering a portion of their eye sight?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Dec 06, 2023, 08:05:30 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 06, 2023, 07:58:55 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Dec 06, 2023, 07:52:46 PMIt wasn't Tom and Alec who had the final say or direction on the look though. It all came from Dan. He directed them to go a certain way and he made the final call. Tom and Alec just lead the team after they're given the direction.
Even so, look at the Hot Toys version, slight tweaking of proportions but much better looking.
Yes. But that... isn't the same as the director giving them direction to pull back on the traditional look. Thats a toy based off of that look. And yeah, the toy tweaks look nice. But like, it's not hard to see it's not on Tom and Alec, it was Dan's decision. They also replaced the face with CGI. Nothing ADI did there, that's all direction from Dan. So I'm just not sure why ADI is the sole blame over and over again.
Are people critiquing the face of Feral here, or that ADI even worked on the movie? I believe in one of the interviews Ridgetop and Aaron did with Dan, he even admits he went too far with the face after hearing the reception.
They didn't change the design for for the cgi they only tweaked it a little to ad more muscle movement but I actually like the design and fund it is actually the scariest looking of all the Predators and I can believe this is just another race or subspecies.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Dec 06, 2023, 08:05:30 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 06, 2023, 07:58:55 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Dec 06, 2023, 07:52:46 PMIt wasn't Tom and Alec who had the final say or direction on the look though. It all came from Dan. He directed them to go a certain way and he made the final call. Tom and Alec just lead the team after they're given the direction.
Even so, look at the Hot Toys version, slight tweaking of proportions but much better looking.
Yes. But that... isn't the same as the director giving them direction to pull back on the traditional look. Thats a toy based off of that look. And yeah, the toy tweaks look nice. But like, it's not hard to see it's not on Tom and Alec, it was Dan's decision. They also replaced the face with CGI. Nothing ADI did there, that's all direction from Dan. So I'm just not sure why ADI is the sole blame over and over again.
Are people critiquing the face of Feral here, or that ADI even worked on the movie? I believe in one of the interviews Ridgetop and Aaron did with Dan, he even admits he went too far with the face after hearing the reception.
I had a brief conversation with Tom at a convention a few years ago
He told me exactly what you had written, namely that the final decision always lies with the director and that they often have to do things that they don't necessarily like.
I already mentioned that in relation to the terrible aliens in AvP-R. So I never want to blame ADI alone for anything.
But the fact is that all ADI designs, be it Predator or Alien or even The Thing, simply don't really work anymore.
I'm not saying that CGI is better, because as we all know it actually isn't, but I'm just wondering why this development at ADI has taken place so obviously recently.
I mean, is it really true that Jeunet said he wanted the aliens to have teeth like a horse? or that the chestbursters must look like sperm whales ? Or did he say: "oh yeah, that looks good enough, let's get going, we have a schedule to stick to". ? It just so happens that the designer gets scolded by the public for not making the creatures look so good.
Of course, it's also a bit unfair if you look at it superficially.
The credits just say ADI and not "bad decision by the director"
In contrast, I still think their Alien 3 designs are great and some of the best the series has to offer
Whether Bamby, Dog Alien, Bishop, Queenhuggy and Queenchestburster,
they still look great even today
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I like the Feral Predator.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2023, 12:57:56 PMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzU8bgnWIAUSgdN.jpg:large
I like the Feral Predator.
I'm with you brother
I can not wait to see what comes of all the teams working together on Romulus, in large part because I think this was a good finale for ADI, one solid on Alien one solid on Predator- fittingly their first and last projects.
Had a 2am realization....
I made a jab that Feral's backpack needed leather straps to physically hold it in place, as it looks ridiculous that it looks like it's just glued there....
BUT I realized that all the Predator masks throughout the series is just hanging on to their face without any straps or other kind of threading to hold it in place like other helmets that humans used like for space, diving in the ocean, wielding metals together. They jump, run, leap, and do all sorts of physical actions that would have their mask physically just slip off the face, as anyone would when doing this sort of thing in real life....
SO NOW, I'm thinking....is this some kind of unknown physic based Predator tech that was right there under our noses the entire time? The design was actually unintentionally consistent with lore the whole time :laugh: I know the real answer is no, it was all just coincidence but I just love how it all just falls into place in how these items just don't fall off.
Never had an issue with it myself, thought it looked pretty cool.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 14, 2023, 08:28:04 PMBUT I realized that all the Predator masks throughout the series is just hanging on to their face without any straps or other kind of threading to hold it in place like other helmets that humans used like for space, diving in the ocean, wielding metals together. They jump, run, leap, and do all sorts of physical actions that would have their mask physically just slip off the face, as anyone would when doing this sort of thing in real life....
In the first three films they're suctioned on. The Predators release the pressure before taking off the masks.
This only stopped in later movies when they started streamlining the Predator technology and taking all of the little details that made the suits look like functional technology and not sci-fi magic.
Like the body net?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 15, 2023, 12:29:02 AMThis only stopped in later movies when they started streamlining the Predator technology and taking all of the little details that made the suits look like functional technology and not sci-fi magic.
True. It started back in Predators 2010 when the masks didn't have those same pressure wiring tubes attached to the mask to indicate functional tech.
It's still ironic that the reasoning to the backpack attached to nothing but simple skin can be attribute to unknown tech in the same manner that how masks are attached to faces without any real thing to hold on to place, when it comes to terms with recent films.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 16, 2023, 03:17:42 AMQuote from: SiL on Dec 15, 2023, 12:29:02 AMThis only stopped in later movies when they started streamlining the Predator technology and taking all of the little details that made the suits look like functional technology and not sci-fi magic.
True. It started back in Predators 2010 when the masks didn't have those same pressure wiring tubes attached to the mask to indicate functional tech.
It's still ironic that the reasoning to the backpack attached to nothing but simple skin can be attribute to unknown tech in the same manner that how masks are attached to faces without any real thing to hold on to place, when it comes to terms with recent films.
It's kind of really bad design considering this was 300 years before the first movie. He should've had more straps and tubes, not less.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 16, 2023, 05:03:54 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 16, 2023, 03:17:42 AMQuote from: SiL on Dec 15, 2023, 12:29:02 AMThis only stopped in later movies when they started streamlining the Predator technology and taking all of the little details that made the suits look like functional technology and not sci-fi magic.
True. It started back in Predators 2010 when the masks didn't have those same pressure wiring tubes attached to the mask to indicate functional tech.
It's still ironic that the reasoning to the backpack attached to nothing but simple skin can be attribute to unknown tech in the same manner that how masks are attached to faces without any real thing to hold on to place, when it comes to terms with recent films.
It's kind of really bad design considering this was 300 years before the first movie. He should've had more straps and tubes, not less.
Did he have a body net?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 16, 2023, 05:03:54 AMIt's kind of really bad design considering this was 300 years before the first movie. He should've had more straps and tubes, not less.
I get they wanted a more simplistic style, and I can see how the design presents the feral in Feral. Just that even concept art before shows that there were some designs that can have both.
But the more simple style doesn't make sense when you're trying to make it look, well, feral. He somehow had slicker technology than guys 300 years later.
Like the Alien prequelzZz😅lmao
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2023, 01:30:56 AMBut the more simple style doesn't make sense when you're trying to make it look, well, feral. He somehow had slicker technology than guys 300 years later.
To add, I honestly feel like it's more a tribe thing than 300 years of biological and technological evolution that sets them apart and that is fine by me.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Dec 07, 2023, 01:17:03 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2023, 12:57:56 PMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzU8bgnWIAUSgdN.jpg:large
I like the Feral Predator.
I'm with you brother
We Feral Predator fans, may be few, but we are mighty.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 10, 2023, 03:24:35 PMI can not wait to see what comes of all the teams working together on Romulus, in large part because I think this was a good finale for ADI, one solid on Alien one solid on Predator- fittingly their first and last projects.
Yeah, me too.
After reading the comments made by some people that visited Legacy Effects last year, i think they hinted that the Romulus' Xeno will be a back to basis, big chap (biomechanical-like) xeno, so maybe something similar to Stompy from Isolation or the Dead by Daylight design.
I'm curious about the legs though, since to be honest, i would be glad to move away from the man in a rubber suit legs that we usually have in these movies, so i hope the team behind the practical effects aims for something bolder and more ambitious.
To put the alien back in alien.
Btw, people also said that the new Xeno will have a new face, whatever that means.
I don't like the CGI head but I tolerate the practical head. They went too far with the CGI.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 22, 2023, 01:30:43 AMI don't like the CGI head but I tolerate the practical head. They went too far with the CGI.
It's like what happened with the last THE THING movie.
The practical effects were actually great yet the studio decided to cover it all up with cgi.
The Prey filmmakers planned the CGI from the beginning, it wasn't mandated from on high.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash.
I actually disagree on all of this. I like the face design, the CGI is a little wonky, but I like that Feral is a different Predator than we've seen before and I really like the masked look. But the movie itself is great -- in a franchise with mostly functional filmmaking (original Predator excluded) Prey is exceptionally well made. It's lyrical and poetic, but also pulpy, gritty, and fun. You obviously didn't like it, nothing wrong with that, but there's lots of folks who did (both critics and fans alike).
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Absolutely not. It's trash. You can like it all you want. But it doesn't change the objective truth that it is a piss poor design. With or without CGI.
The people who like it just have severely low expectations. They will take anything. And honestly don't even know better.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2022, 08:55:31 PMQuote from: Master on Aug 25, 2022, 08:40:49 PMSee 30% movie is really low. I'd say 60% is much more accurate for regular viewer.
It's not a rating of the film, it's a percent of people who reviewed it positively. That's why audience score is higher - a greater number of audience members reviewed it positively.
But this is a purely binary look at positive vs negative. If you want to see what the average rating is, then you look at other sites like IMDb.
RT is fine, people just need to use it properly.
The movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
Critical Drinker needs his head violently caved in and tossed into the sea to give something of value some sustenance.
Oh great.... Brokentusk420 is back to bless us with his painfully boring negativity again.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMIt will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter.
Prey is the most universally revered a Predator movie has been since
Predator lol
Prey revived the Predator series into making two new films at once, stop the cap. :laugh:
Where are you getting so upset with movie having politics in it. the alien franchise had multiple themes of capitalism is bad and what not. Isn't that one of the major "woke" points for a film to make. Anytime, that the media made points about progressiveness Everyone on the Anti SJW side seems to shy away from it and say it's bad, but there are films in the past did the same thing, maybe it's just depends on the execution.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 21, 2024, 04:11:26 AMWhere are you getting so upset with movie having politics in it. the alien franchise had multiple themes of capitalism is bad and what not. Isn't that one of the major "woke" points for a film to make. Anytime, that the media made points about progressiveness Everyone on the Anti SJW side seems to shy away from it and say it's bad, but there are films in the past did the same thing, maybe it's just depends on the execution.
It depends on whether a youtuber told them to get mad or not.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 21, 2024, 04:18:04 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 21, 2024, 04:11:26 AMWhere are you getting so upset with movie having politics in it. the alien franchise had multiple themes of capitalism is bad and what not. Isn't that one of the major "woke" points for a film to make. Anytime, that the media made points about progressiveness Everyone on the Anti SJW side seems to shy away from it and say it's bad, but there are films in the past did the same thing, maybe it's just depends on the execution.
It depends on whether a youtuber told them to get mad or not.
Is that like a hive mind tactic that the anti SJW's accused the left of doing? I just find that so sad. It's literally don't think just do.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2024, 07:43:44 PMOh great.... Brokentusk420 is back to bless us with his painfully boring negativity again.
Seems like his temp ban ran out. ::)
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMAbsolutely not. It's trash. You can like it all you want. But it doesn't change the objective truth that it is a piss poor design. With or without CGI.
The people who like it just have severely low expectations. They will take anything. And honestly don't even know better.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2022, 08:55:31 PMQuote from: Master on Aug 25, 2022, 08:40:49 PMSee 30% movie is really low. I'd say 60% is much more accurate for regular viewer.
It's not a rating of the film, it's a percent of people who reviewed it positively. That's why audience score is higher - a greater number of audience members reviewed it positively.
But this is a purely binary look at positive vs negative. If you want to see what the average rating is, then you look at other sites like IMDb.
RT is fine, people just need to use it properly.
The movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
It's ok to hate it with a passion. I'm not a fan of everything in this movie either, although I liked it overall.
The thing is, you can voice your opinion in a more constructive manner, or like a dickhead. You apparently made the latter your signature move.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMThe movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
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Quote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMThe movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
Are you trolling here ?
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 21, 2024, 09:44:35 PMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMThe movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
Are you trolling here ?
God I wish.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 21, 2024, 09:44:35 PMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMThe movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
Are you trolling here ?
I seen his type before, no he is not. They are deadset on the belief that wokeism is when a person of color and/or is a woman, is the main character, so therefore it is bad. Everything else is just slush and wish wash weak justification of this idiotic mindset.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash.
I actually disagree on all of this. I like the face design, the CGI is a little wonky, but I like that Feral is a different Predator than we've seen before and I really like the masked look. But the movie itself is great -- in a franchise with mostly functional filmmaking (original Predator excluded) Prey is exceptionally well made. It's lyrical and poetic, but also pulpy, gritty, and fun. You obviously didn't like it, nothing wrong with that, but there's lots of folks who did (both critics and fans alike).
Absolutely not. It's trash. You can like it all you want. But it doesn't change the objective truth that it is a piss poor design. With or without CGI.
The people who like it just have severely low expectations. They will take anything. And honestly don't even know better.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2022, 08:55:31 PMQuote from: Master on Aug 25, 2022, 08:40:49 PMSee 30% movie is really low. I'd say 60% is much more accurate for regular viewer.
It's not a rating of the film, it's a percent of people who reviewed it positively. That's why audience score is higher - a greater number of audience members reviewed it positively.
But this is a purely binary look at positive vs negative. If you want to see what the average rating is, then you look at other sites like IMDb.
RT is fine, people just need to use it properly.
Quote from: brokentusk420The movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
I guess you'll be real upset to hear that both Jesse Ventura and Bill Duke gave their sign of approval and had nothing but praise for Amber Midthunder
It's just a movie. I get the Star Wars and other products are getting some bad content lately, but that doesn't mean you have to bash other peoples opinion to make yourself seem superior. like would you be upset if the new alien movie had a female protagonist, if you do, I find that so hypocritical because freaking Aliens 1986 did the exact same thing.
It's not even bashing other peoples opinions, it's bashing people by proxy, implying that they aren't worthy or relvanent enough to feature in these fictions we enjoy.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 22, 2024, 06:08:06 PMIt's not even bashing other peoples opinions, it's bashing people by proxy, implying that they aren't worthy or relvanent enough to feature in these fictions we enjoy.
That really shitty to do. Hopefully he gets out of this mindset.
Can people please fix the quote chain so I stop getting notified about this nonsense. :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2024, 09:38:03 PMCan people please fix the quote chain so I stop getting notified about this nonsense. :laugh:
Agreed.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 22, 2024, 06:08:06 PMIt's not even bashing other peoples opinions, it's bashing people by proxy, implying that they aren't worthy or relvanent enough to feature in these fictions we enjoy.
Glad you get it. Cause your opinions suck and you aren't as smart as you think you are
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 22, 2024, 06:02:25 PMIt's just a movie. I get the Star Wars and other products are getting some bad content lately, but that doesn't mean you have to bash other peoples opinion to make yourself seem superior. like would you be upset if the new alien movie had a female protagonist, if you do, I find that so hypocritical because freaking Aliens 1986 did the exact same thing.
Has nothing to do with her being female and everything to do with her being a Mary Sue that got young fighting make killed over a stupid 21 century sentiment of women are equal to men in every way. They aren't. Women are better at things that we aren't as well. Prey sucks. Period.
Quote from: germanator2 on Mar 22, 2024, 05:23:12 PMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:50:00 PMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash.
I actually disagree on all of this. I like the face design, the CGI is a little wonky, but I like that Feral is a different Predator than we've seen before and I really like the masked look. But the movie itself is great -- in a franchise with mostly functional filmmaking (original Predator excluded) Prey is exceptionally well made. It's lyrical and poetic, but also pulpy, gritty, and fun. You obviously didn't like it, nothing wrong with that, but there's lots of folks who did (both critics and fans alike).
Absolutely not. It's trash. You can like it all you want. But it doesn't change the objective truth that it is a piss poor design. With or without CGI.
The people who like it just have severely low expectations. They will take anything. And honestly don't even know better.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 25, 2022, 05:22:33 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 25, 2022, 12:58:35 AMThe ratings mean absolutely nothing. Audiences have proven time and time again they will rate a terrible film high even though it's nothing of the sort. The movie is mid at best but the face design of the creature is pure trash. It's funny cause I bet all of you bashing Critcal Drinker haven't even watched the Prey review. He has as nny positive things to say as well as being brutally honest about the movies many short comings. You people just can't take the criticism or are incapable of understanding what he's talking about.
He spent most of the video complaining about Mary Sue characters and Hollywood tropes after he quickly brushes over that he made a bunch of false claims and that he was wrong about Prey for many months. He's not gospel. He makes good points about movies aoften often, but also falls down the anti-sjw hole very easily, which immediately kills a lot of arguments for myself, and I'm sure others. I don't need forced politics or tropes in my storytelling, and Prey didn't do that.
The film can actually be good to some people, and that doesn't mean you can't go online and say "people" are wrong about it. But doesn't mean you're right either. Audiences also made Alien and Predator the staples they are today, because the people liked them and thought they were good films. If all the people didn't like receive those movies as they are with Prey now, I'd say we wouldn't even be here today posting in these message boards. The movie was likely received well, because it was actually good. Something is working well with this movie that is clicking with audiences, which is bringing new life into Predator.
If audiences mindlessly consumed anything, why didn't The Predator in 2018 get the same reception as Prey?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2022, 08:55:31 PMQuote from: Master on Aug 25, 2022, 08:40:49 PMSee 30% movie is really low. I'd say 60% is much more accurate for regular viewer.
It's not a rating of the film, it's a percent of people who reviewed it positively. That's why audience score is higher - a greater number of audience members reviewed it positively.
But this is a purely binary look at positive vs negative. If you want to see what the average rating is, then you look at other sites like IMDb.
RT is fine, people just need to use it properly.
Quote from: brokentusk420The movie is crap. The audience is dumb. Alien and Predator were made by competent people at the top of their respective games. The people making them now are hacks. Prey is incoherent feminist BS. The only thing they did right was not allowing it to carry the Predator name. It will be forgotten and never revered the way the original and only two movies in the series that matter. Critical Drinker hit all the nails on the head. Anyone saying otherwise is just coping with the fact they have zero taste in good cinema or at least lack the ability to recognize it.
I guess you'll be real upset to hear that both Jesse Ventura and Bill Duke gave their sign of approval and had nothing but praise for Amber Midthunder
They are both old at this point and of course they would pander to the media or face backlash by the morons who love virtue signaling.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 23, 2024, 12:53:53 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 22, 2024, 06:08:06 PMIt's not even bashing other peoples opinions, it's bashing people by proxy, implying that they aren't worthy or relvanent enough to feature in these fictions we enjoy.
Glad you get it. Cause your opinions suck and you aren't as smart as you think you are
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 22, 2024, 06:02:25 PMIt's just a movie. I get the Star Wars and other products are getting some bad content lately, but that doesn't mean you have to bash other peoples opinion to make yourself seem superior. like would you be upset if the new alien movie had a female protagonist, if you do, I find that so hypocritical because freaking Aliens 1986 did the exact same thing.
Has nothing to do with her being female and everything to do with her being a Mary Sue that got young fighting make killed over a stupid 21 century sentiment of women are equal to men in every way. They aren't. Women are better at things that we aren't as well. Prey sucks. Period.
What makes her a Mary Sue? Because she constantly gets her ass beat throughout the movie, yes, there are some spots where she women in combat it doesn't mean she's perfect at it. Another thing, being a dick is not gonna get you far in life. you constantly batch other peoples opinion and say they're dumb but they're just sharing their opinion on a movie that you dislike. There's no need for this aggression in your behavior. Cancerblack was only putting out what you were doing of saying his opinion sucks and he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. I could see the same thing about you too.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 23, 2024, 01:26:06 AMQuote from: brokentusk420 on Mar 23, 2024, 12:53:53 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 22, 2024, 06:08:06 PMIt's not even bashing other peoples opinions, it's bashing people by proxy, implying that they aren't worthy or relvanent enough to feature in these fictions we enjoy.
Glad you get it. Cause your opinions suck and you aren't as smart as you think you are
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 22, 2024, 06:02:25 PMIt's just a movie. I get the Star Wars and other products are getting some bad content lately, but that doesn't mean you have to bash other peoples opinion to make yourself seem superior. like would you be upset if the new alien movie had a female protagonist, if you do, I find that so hypocritical because freaking Aliens 1986 did the exact same thing.
Has nothing to do with her being female and everything to do with her being a Mary Sue that got young fighting make killed over a stupid 21 century sentiment of women are equal to men in every way. They aren't. Women are better at things that we aren't as well. Prey sucks. Period.
What makes her a Mary Sue? Because she constantly gets her ass beat throughout the movie, yes, there are some spots where she women in combat it doesn't mean she's perfect at it. Another thing, being a dick is not gonna get you far in life. you constantly batch other peoples opinion and say they're dumb but they're just sharing their opinion on a movie that you dislike. There's no need for this aggression in your behavior. Cancerblack was only putting out what you were doing of saying his opinion sucks and he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. I could see the same thing about you too.
I think what he fails to realize if he did a little historical research, the Commanche were feared for a reason. They were called Lord of the Plains for a reason. Yeah at some point when the men and women were of certain age, they were taught differently and how to contribute to their society (men were hunters while women were healers), but as children, boys and girls were both taught a lot of the basics of survival, hunting to even basic fighting, including probably with knives, bow and arrows and the tomahawk she uses. Tying it with rope is just a sign of ingenuity. I have no idea if it would work, but you do see her training with it and trying to perfect her form. She has a strong survival instinct like probably all Native Americans. They live and die by the land.
But nothing comes easy for her. She got her ass kicked by her fellow Comanche. Even though one of the trappers showed her how to load the flintlock, it didn't fire the first time when she aimed it at the feral, probably costing Taabe's life. She failed to kill the bear and even in a bit of foreshadowing earlier when she was with Taabe, she got her bow covered in mud which broke the drawstring off. There's a lot of trial and error to her journey.
Full disclosure, there are issues and inconsistencies I have with the film and the narrative, but overall I was pleasantly surprised by the film and I can see why some think it's the best since the first film.
Quote from: brokentusk420Glad you get it. Cause your opinions suck and you aren't as smart as you think you are
Oh I get it now. You're supposed to be a troll that we shouldn't feed or take seriously. Thanks for clearing that up.
I banned him last week. You wont be seeing that behavior anymore.
Quote from: BritishActorFromAlien3 on Dec 04, 2023, 12:52:31 AMIt seems, to me at least, that what they're trying to do is similar to how contemporary brands redesign cars, phones, etc. They just drop a new look for whatever they produce (in this case the predator) and kinda force you to get used to it and convince you that the previous/original design is outdated.
I don't like this new appearance. It looks as if it's redesigned just for the sake of having a redesign.
It doesn't even look like a predator.
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Absolutely agree,
Stan Winston's original design has defined the Predator.
His design has established the look and face of a Predator since its original 1987 movie release and has helped establish the foundation for the Predators fame, popularity and success. That indistinguishable Predator face immediately became an iconic villain which stood out in comparison to other designs of the same genre. That legendary face and design, using practical effects has stood the test of time and is still recognizable and revered to this day.
That being said. In my opinion, the drastic change in the Predators face design for me made this feel less like a Predator and more like a new alien in its own movie rather than a new take on Predator.
Throughout Prey there are call backs to the original, with the intention of bridging Prey to the original movies while building new lore (which was great btw) but after seeing Feral's face, as a lifelong fan of Predator I felt no familiarity to this design choice which to say the least was, unrecognizable and distracting.
When they decided to intentionally reinvent the original design, they lost the Predators established identifying features in which made it so unique and special. They lost what made Predator a Predator.
The argument or justification that this Feral Predator is a different species or from a different hemisphere of the Predator home planet, will never convince me that this new drastically different face is indeed a Predator. Being that I did enjoy this movie as a whole, unfortunately it has failed drastically on this front.
Once again, The Winston design solidified the look of Predator, giving this unique alien an identity. I am all for changes and variations to alter or even compliment the original design intent for all future movies, but this new Feral design in my opinion did not do that at all. Infact, I think it is obvious when I say I do not believe the intention for Feral was to follow or alter the original established design but to create something drastically new by all means. In the process, in my opinion, unfortunately this new take and new face for Predator is too extreme and too different and for that it is not only a failure as a design but a disservice to an amazing original iconic Stan Winston design.
In closing, with Preys deserved critic acclaim and fan reception, I believe we will never again see another Predator movie with the true Winston Predator in it. That is the worst impact of all.
QuoteThe argument or justification that this Feral Predator is a different species or from a different hemisphere of the Predator home planet, will never convince me that this new drastically different face is indeed a Predator. Being that I did enjoy this movie as a whole, unfortunately it has failed drastically on this front.
You must hate earth...
Earth sucks sometimes
Quote from: skull-splitter on Yesterday at 08:46:34 AMQuoteThe argument or justification that this Feral Predator is a different species or from a different hemisphere of the Predator home planet, will never convince me that this new drastically different face is indeed a Predator. Being that I did enjoy this movie as a whole, unfortunately it has failed drastically on this front.
You must hate earth...
What I hate is that an iconic design was ruined which new is now incomparable to old, all for the sake of what? P1 Jungle Hunter is a Predator, Feral is a bug.