After hearing about the various different cuts shown to test audiences etc it would seem there has been quite alot left on the cutting room floor. I personally really enjoyed Covenant and I left the Cinema wanting more. I would really like to see an extended cut on home release. The final act zips by in a second. I want more of that. I read of a scene where the alien observes Ricks mangled corpse before leaping at upworth. That sounds creepy. That should be in the film. There was also mention of the other neomorph showing up in the final act. Get that reinserted too.
Another scene I read about in the other thread was while Daniels and Walter check out the terraforming bay they share a crucial character moment where danny explains how she and walter are now the only two odd ones out of the crew after jake has died. I definitely think the film could benefit even further with an extended cut. It is always a good way for the studios to get some extra cash from Blu ray and DVD sales too which could help the chances of getting a follow up. What do you guys think? Would you be interested in seeing an extended cut?
Having seen some of the deleted stuff on YouTube such as the crossing with Shaw, perhaps The Last Supper, also Daniels, Tennessee with his girlfriend playing cards and Daniels asking mother for help, later on Daniels asking mother were the Alien is, would be crazy if Fox didn't release an extended cut for this. Because come one The Martian that didn't need an extended cut, it got one. If they want their cash back, they'd be telling Ridley right now to go back and re-edit the film.
Quote from: 0321recon on May 22, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
Having seen some of the deleted stuff on YouTube such as the crossing with Shaw, perhaps The Last Supper, also Daniels, Tennessee with his girlfriend playing cards and Daniels asking mother for help, later on Daniels asking mother were the Alien is, would be crazy if Fox didn't release an extended cut for this. Because come one The Martian that didn't need an extended cut, it got one. If they want their cash back, they'd be telling Ridley right now to go back and re-edit the film.
Those are all viral videos though. Not cut scenes. Except for The Crossing video, which was originally in the film.
Quote from: Evanus on May 22, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: 0321recon on May 22, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
Having seen some of the deleted stuff on YouTube such as the crossing with Shaw, perhaps The Last Supper, also Daniels, Tennessee with his girlfriend playing cards and Daniels asking mother for help, later on Daniels asking mother were the Alien is, would be crazy if Fox didn't release an extended cut for this. Because come one The Martian that didn't need an extended cut, it got one. If they want their cash back, they'd be telling Ridley right now to go back and re-edit the film.
Those are all viral videos though. Not cut scenes. Except for The Crossing video, which was originally in the film.
It wouldn't surprise me if (the viral videos) they were genuine deleted scenes but repurposed for marketing.
There better be. Even if The Crossing and Last Supper remain separate viral vids there were so many scenes presented in trailers that are nowhere to be found. Plus there is so much material covered in the film it feels rushed and poorly edited. I think most of this was probably due to time constraints but it deprives it of much needed suspense.
I'm literally 50/50 on the film: loved it up until David's reveal then hated every minute after. Re-editting can't fix all the problems but making it flow a little better would go a long way towards making me take the last part seriously.
I don't think there will be. Ridley has done a director's cut for every other film since Gladiator, and this would be breaking the pattern. Also, Exodus obviously had bits missing, and that didn't get an extended cut.
I hope we do. The deleted scenes of Prometheus (minus one) make it a much better movie. Almost fixed, even.
It seems like there's probably a lot of stuff from Covenant that got cut. Wish it was already here, but I guess that's how they get you for repeat viewings at the theater. Prob going again this weekend
I thought Exodus did have an extended cut? Maybe it's just a collector's edition with extra special features.
He seems to approach alternate cuts on a case by case basis, some films he seems more invested in than others. Like the road show cut of Kingdom of Heaven or taking 30 years finally finish Blade Runner. He claims what he cut from Prometheus, although explaining a lot of loose ends and seeming plot holes, was because it gave away too much of the mystery. I agree with him, but I am glad the scenes are available to view.
Covenant feels like it was compressed solely for the sake of running time and I don't have the feeling what was released cinematically is really the movie he wanted to make.
But again he's 80 years old and has a couple dozen projects at any given time so I'm sure he feels he is compressed for running time as well.
Nah, I don't think Exodus ever got an extended cut. The Martian did, basically because Ridley just had to put back in all the felcher jokes he cut to get a PG-13. :laugh:
I've heard that there was a scene where they show what happened to the 2nd Neomorph. That should be put back in the film as I was confused as to why we never found out what happened to it.
I hope there is one eventually. The film is way too fast in its current state.
Put in the practical fx!
Yeah there is another thread on here about versions screened for test audiences that, to me, sound better than the cinematic release. Ultimately it comes down to what Ridley himself thinks is the "real" version.
If we get it, it'll most likely be after we've all bought the theatrical cut on disc - classic double-dip. The only exception I can see is if preorders are unusually low, they might try to slap together a Director's Cut to make sure people buy it at all. But my money's on Scenario A (again, if we get one at all).
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 22, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 22, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: 0321recon on May 22, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
Having seen some of the deleted stuff on YouTube such as the crossing with Shaw, perhaps The Last Supper, also Daniels, Tennessee with his girlfriend playing cards and Daniels asking mother for help, later on Daniels asking mother were the Alien is, would be crazy if Fox didn't release an extended cut for this. Because come one The Martian that didn't need an extended cut, it got one. If they want their cash back, they'd be telling Ridley right now to go back and re-edit the film.
Those are all viral videos though. Not cut scenes. Except for The Crossing video, which was originally in the film.
It wouldn't surprise me if (the viral videos) they were genuine deleted scenes but repurposed for marketing.
They weren't. They were directed separately by Luke Scott purely for the purposes of advertising. With the topic at hand, I'm always curious to see alternate cuts. At the very least, I hope we get to see the deleted scenes. I'm somewhat worried about the home releases not being great without CdL.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:11:10 PMI'm somewhat worried about the home releases not being great without CdL.
Amen. If I see one more 10 minute featurette where everyone is saying, "Everybody's so fun and talented, and we're all cracking jokes and having fun all the time" I'm gonna lose my goddamn mind. :P
Come on Fox!! Give us an extended cut on Blu Ray!! We want more! The whole movie feels like it zips by so fast, particularly the final act.
By this long after the release of Prometheus, I had already seen the movie twice and pre-ordered the collector's edition blu-ray. I haven't seen Covenant once yet and already know not to buy the blu-ray. I bought The Martian twice, Alien, Blade Runner, Gladiator and Black Hawk Down three times, and Kingdom of Heaven four times. This one I'm not even very crazy about seeing, much less buying over and over again when the studio double dips. I'm holding out for the long version with commentary and documentaries. I hope the first release has all that, but I expect Fox to pull a Martian and double dip.
Yes, and it will be 20 minutes of David playing the piano.
And a forty minute version of the flute scene.
What I haven't seen discussed anywhere is when exactly does the Juggernaut end up the mountain, and how? Where does Shaw's signal fit in with the crash? Any thoughts?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 22, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 22, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: 0321recon on May 22, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
Having seen some of the deleted stuff on YouTube such as the crossing with Shaw, perhaps The Last Supper, also Daniels, Tennessee with his girlfriend playing cards and Daniels asking mother for help, later on Daniels asking mother were the Alien is, would be crazy if Fox didn't release an extended cut for this. Because come one The Martian that didn't need an extended cut, it got one. If they want their cash back, they'd be telling Ridley right now to go back and re-edit the film.
Those are all viral videos though. Not cut scenes. Except for The Crossing video, which was originally in the film.
It wouldn't surprise me if (the viral videos) they were genuine deleted scenes but repurposed for marketing.
They weren't. They were directed separately by Luke Scott purely for the purposes of advertising. With the topic at hand, I'm always curious to see alternate cuts. At the very least, I hope we get to see the deleted scenes. I'm somewhat worried about the home releases not being great without CdL.
Some of that footage looks like it could be worked into an extended cut seamlessly. What do you mean? CdL won't be involved in the
ALIEN:COVENANT Blu-ray?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
At the very least, I hope we get to see the deleted scenes. I'm somewhat worried about the home releases not being great without CdL.
I know you probably had intel on this Hicks, but he also just told me on twitter that he's not involved. :(
A pity. I really wanted to see another big ass, in-depth documentary, loaded with behind-the-scenes footage and outtakes - a worthy companion piece to "THE FURIOUS GODS". I hope this release won't be Disney-lite on extras as were the recent STAR WARS discs.
Yeah, that's precisely my worry. We need a commentary, at least. Ridley's ramblings are like soothing ocean sounds. It really is too bad though, just feels like there's no chance an Alien release without his touch will be up to snuff. I suppose we should count ourselves lucky for what we've received though. His work on Alien 3 alone is legendary, never in a million years would I have imagined that movie getting the special treatment it did before the Quadrilolgy came out.
I recently bought Logan and I was disappointed with the lack of extras. There's a very nice hour long documentary, commentary, ten minutes of deleted scenes, trailers, and black and white version of the film. For a movie that did great business for Fox they really shortchanged the home video release. Assassins Creed had more features.
So I'm not sure how Covenant will fair when it comes to home video.
Ridley mentions in this video that there wasn't much cut from the movie. His first cut was two hours and twenty three minutes and he wanted it to be about two hours.
http://collider.com/alien-covenant-ridley-scott-michael-fassbender-interview/#images (http://collider.com/alien-covenant-ridley-scott-michael-fassbender-interview/#images)
I wonder how much will end up being on the bluray release?
20 minutes is a pretty significant chunk of deleted footage. Sounds much more than what we know got trimmed from the various test screenings.
It needs and has to have an extended cut due to the fans outcry.
Quote from: iain on May 27, 2017, 06:29:42 PM
It needs and has to have an extended cut due to the fans outcry.
Hope someone from Fox is checking social media and forums such as this one and give us an extended cut.
http://screenrant.com/alien-covenant-deleted-scenes-none/ (http://screenrant.com/alien-covenant-deleted-scenes-none/)
20 minutes of deleted footage is exactly what it feels like it's missing. Whether that's entire scenes or not, it affects things without a doubt either way.
In fact, I'd say that much of the reactions to test screenings has affected the film negatively. We've heard that the David sitcheroo didnt telegraph too effectively, well now its so obvious it's barely even a plot point.
People are legit stupid. They don't pay attention, don't understand things unless they are spoonf-ed everything to the point where if you're even halfway to not being stupid, its ruined in favor of the dense.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 27, 2017, 06:08:41 PM
20 minutes is a pretty significant chunk of deleted footage. Sounds much more than what we know got trimmed from the various test screenings.
PROMETHEUS lost about 30-40 minutes?
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 27, 2017, 10:22:29 PM
PROMETHEUS lost about 30-40 minutes?
I don't think it did. Wasn't it more like 10 minutes? At least included on the Blu-ray.
First cut was two hours 23 mins approx? Thats a significant amount of material. I look forward to seeing it. The film feels like it zips by so quickly. An extra 20 mins or so could really add to the film. I seriously hope we get an extended cut. There is a big demand for it among fans. And it would make sense for Fox to make a bit of extra money off of the film by releasing an extended edition on Blu Ray etc.
As long as we get at least Rosenthal's original death and the glass smasing Alien through the shower at Upworth I am happy.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 28, 2017, 03:12:32 PM
First cut was two hours 23 mins approx? Thats a significant amount of material. I look forward to seeing it. The film feels like it zips by so quickly. An extra 20 mins or so could really add to the film. I seriously hope we get an extended cut. There is a big demand for it among fans. And it would make sense for Fox to make a bit of extra money off of the film by releasing an extended edition on Blu Ray etc.
The whole 2nd act in the Citadel, there are just basic story beats and character reactions that aren't there. They literally walk in say 2 min of dialogue and David is like "Hey settle in."
There are just basic reactions and discussions about whats going on and their surroundings that would be happening. It FEELS like it was cut-out when I watch it.
One line where Daniels says "So much doesn't make sense here..." Isn't enough. They dont even react to their surroundings. To where they are settling and why.
They are sitting around a campfire and no one is having conversations? Its clear stuff has been edited out.
Quote from: CainsSon on May 28, 2017, 04:52:33 PM
The whole 2nd act in the Citadel, there are just basic story beats and character reactions that aren't there. They literally walk in say 2 min of dialogue and David is like "Hey settle in."
There are just basic reactions and discussions about whats going on and their surroundings that would be happening. It FEELS like it was cut-out when I watch it.
One line where Daniels says "So much doesn't make sense here..." Isn't enough. They dont even react to their surroundings. To where they are settling and why.
They are sitting around a campfire and no one is having conversations? Its clear stuff has been edited out.
That's what I didn't like. It seems very rushed. It's like the crew didn't even realize that they were encountering a entirely new advanced Alien civilization of humanoids. Their should have been a whole 10 minute scene of the crew just in aww of the buildings & civilization that they just saw.
Almost as annoying as the crew landing without any breathing protection. Hell, ANTIFA & TRUMP SUPPORTERS wear more face protection than the Covenant crew did ::) It was an insult to us intelligent scifi fans. Always wear protection. Otherwise you might as well leave your gun on the mother ship cause your dead anyways.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oUZ7D4QyUgo/maxresdefault.jpg)
I just wish Covenant was more about the Humanoid civilization than David. Now we are going to nee a whole new set of prequels & Comics, just to explain who the humanoids were & why they were at war with the engineers. Geeze Ridley. Is their nobody giving him advice in Hollywood?
both test audiences and test screenings are retarded, most of the time they end up hurting the movie, and make it a mutilated mess, we need the complete versions of the vision the artist has, also i hope is not like in Prometheus were it was really noticeable that footage was missing
Quote from: D88M on May 28, 2017, 05:13:39 PM
both test audiences and test screenings are retarded, most of the time they end up hurting the movie, and make it a mutilated mess, we need the complete versions of the vision the artist has, also i hope is not like in Prometheus were it was really noticeable that footage was missing
Alien3 was a prime example of that, and from what I see Fox didn't learn their lesson.
Quote from: D88M on May 28, 2017, 05:13:39 PM
both test audiences and test screenings are retarded, most of the time they end up hurting the movie, and make it a mutilated mess, we need the complete versions of the vision the artist has, also i hope is not like in Prometheus were it was really noticeable that footage was missing
They are incredibly helpful and useful if you know what to make of them. If you show an audience a mess though the feedback won't be coherent and focused because everyone won't like something.
Just look at this forum alone. Constant contradictions as to what did or didn't work. If this was the feedback what do you make of it other than you seem to have some pretty unffixable problems in your movie.
Quote from: D88M on May 28, 2017, 05:13:39 PM
both test audiences and test screenings are retarded, most of the time they end up hurting the movie, and make it a mutilated mess, we need the complete versions of the vision the artist has, also i hope is not like in Prometheus were it was really noticeable that footage was missing
And the test audience apparently didn't notice the missing blood from the ladies face during the back burster scene.
(That literally just sprayed on her face, disappeared in the next scene & re-appeared in the next scene on a different part of her face lol)^ That made me cringe in my seat :-[
I'd like to see an extended version if it showed more of the Engineers before David arrived.
Quote from: MattFiler on May 28, 2017, 05:22:04 PM
I'd like to see an extended version if it showed more of the Engineers before David arrived.
But the problem is that they aren't the engineers. They appears to be the humanoids from the beginning of Prometheus.
I would have liked to know why they greeted the boneship & if they were at war with the engineers from Prometheus? So many questions that I doubt can be answered in the next film.
The only way I think these prequels can work is if David is secretly being remotely controlled by Weyland Yutani the whole time. The same way Google controls our android phones. At the end of the day, David is still just a Robot. & Weyland Yutani's moto is "crew expendable."
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Quote from: MattFiler on May 28, 2017, 05:22:04 PM
I'd like to see an extended version if it showed more of the Engineers before David arrived.
But the problem is that they aren't the engineers. They appears to be the humanoids from the beginning of Prometheus.
The engineers seem to be the ones flying the boneships. But that still doesn't explain if the engineers are the space jockys, because the space jocky is clearly different than the engineers. I've always thought that the engineers were robots, created by the space jocky.
That's a whole lot of questions to answer in the next prequel "Alien Awakening". I hope Ridley can do it. Otherwise we are just going to have to trely on Dark Horse comics & our imaginations.
Wut? They're all just engineers, man.
Finally got around to seeing the movie today and it most def feels likes somethings missing. It feels a little hollow and skimmed over so i'm sure adding the deleted scenes would help beef it out a lot.
I^ I edited my earler post......... But they look different. Haven't you see the compairisons?
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^ That is his body, NOT a space suit
I assume that the engineers are bio-robots created by the space Jockys, and the Humanoids are the ones David Killed.
(https://www.retrozap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Prometheus_Engineer.jpg)
Pretty sure that's just a suit.
Quote from: Evanus on May 28, 2017, 05:43:50 PM
Pretty sure that's just a suit.
Look at the picture I posted. Suits don't mold into your body lol
His body is different than the suit that covers him in the boneship.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on May 28, 2017, 05:41:50 PM
I^ I edited my earler post......... But they look different. Haven't you see the compairisons?
http://www.scified.com/topics/3172711139087145.jpg
^ That is his body, NOT a space suit
I assume that the engineers are bio-robots created by the space Jockys, and the Humanoids are the ones David Killed.
(https://www.retrozap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Prometheus_Engineer.jpg)
Those ones were created that way or born that way on purpose. They are all the same species. We are also never really seeing them again.
I'm pretty sure the special features refer to that as a flight suit or pressure suit, but that doesn't mean that was ts the Sam reaction of Engineer from the waterfall or Paradise.
Quote from: Look into my eye on May 23, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
What I haven't seen discussed anywhere is when exactly does the Juggernaut end up the mountain, and how? Where does Shaw's signal fit in with the crash? Any thoughts?
I was thinking the same thing :'(
Just imagine if the movie was more about the humanoids race & a first contact scenario between David Shaw & the Covenant Crew, Then having the Neomorphs be the only creature. Then have the next film explain how the Humanoids created the Xeno to destroy the Neomorphs only to have them backfire. I don't know. I just felt sad when all those humanoids died. I realy hated David for killing off a entire civilization without no explaination. I think we are going to need another set of Prequels, to explain the humanoids.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on May 28, 2017, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: Look into my eye on May 23, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
What I haven't seen discussed anywhere is when exactly does the Juggernaut end up the mountain, and how? Where does Shaw's signal fit in with the crash? Any thoughts?
I was thinking the same thing :'(
Just imagine if the movie was more about the humanoids race & a first contact scenario between David Shaw & the Covenant Crew, Then having the Neomorphs be the only creature. Then have the next film explain how the Humanoids created the Xeno to destroy the Neomorphs only to have them backfire. I don't know. I just felt sad when all those humanoids died. I realy hated David for killing off a entire civilization without no explaination. I think we are going to need another set of Prequels, to explain the humanoids.
I think when he weaponized those ampules, Shaw was still in a cryotube. Then he did his thing and deliberately crashed the juggernaut into the woods so that it looked like an accident to Shaw.
The version of Alien:covenant that works best after Prometheus is whatt I call the 3 prologues scene.After the White Room Opening,you have to watch The Crossing&The Last Supper!And then the starfield opening credits.They fit in seemlessly and make @ the first 65-70 minutes better.That's the best I've got-Nothing can save the second act!The amount of technical talent Rid surrounds his set with.....and not a decent effing script in sight!!Alonger version of Prometheus&Covenant could be another Kingdom Of Heaven for Ridley Scott! ::) ::)
Anyone have twitter? Maybe someone should tweet fox or the alien anthology page and ask them if they plan on an extended edition on home release?
::)
Quote from: Captain Dallas at Thedus on May 28, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
!The amount of technical talent Rid surrounds his set with.....and not a decent effing script in sight!! A longer version of Prometheus & Covenant could be another Kingdom Of Heaven for Ridley Scott! ::) ::)
Explain?
Quote from: CainsSon on May 28, 2017, 04:52:33 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 28, 2017, 03:12:32 PM
First cut was two hours 23 mins approx? Thats a significant amount of material. I look forward to seeing it. The film feels like it zips by so quickly. An extra 20 mins or so could really add to the film. I seriously hope we get an extended cut. There is a big demand for it among fans. And it would make sense for Fox to make a bit of extra money off of the film by releasing an extended edition on Blu Ray etc.
The whole 2nd act in the Citadel, there are just basic story beats and character reactions that aren't there. They literally walk in say 2 min of dialogue and David is like "Hey settle in."
There are just basic reactions and discussions about whats going on and their surroundings that would be happening. It FEELS like it was cut-out when I watch it.
One line where Daniels says "So much doesn't make sense here..." Isn't enough. They dont even react to their surroundings. To where they are settling and why.
They are sitting around a campfire and no one is having conversations? Its clear stuff has been edited out.
In the novelization there's a scene where Walter plays an original tune on the flute for Daniels that was really good. I hope this was shot because it showed how conflicted Walter was with being an AI.
Im so sick of hearing that they have to get to 2 hours dead on, WHY? i would be happy to sit through 3 hours of an Alien movie
Why? Commercial reasons, number of showings, aimed at 'average' moviegoer, not the people on this site. Cos, let's face it, we were always going to go, 3 hrs 10 hrs or 65mins ...
Modern audience don't like any movie that goes over 2 hours. Its counted as one of cons for movies in critic reviews. Peter Jackson too gets lot of flak for making long movies.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on May 28, 2017, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: MattFiler on May 28, 2017, 05:22:04 PM
I'd like to see an extended version if it showed more of the Engineers before David arrived.
But the problem is that they aren't the engineers. They appears to be the humanoids from the beginning of Prometheus.
I would have liked to know why they greeted the boneship & if they were at war with the engineers from Prometheus? So many questions that I doubt can be answered in the next film.
The only way I think these prequels can work is if David is secretly being remotely controlled by Weyland Yutani the whole time. The same way Google controls our android phones. At the end of the day, David is still just a Robot. & Weyland Yutani's moto is "crew expendable."
They are Engineers. It is confirmed in the 'Art and Making Of Alien:Covenant' book that it is the Engineers homeworld that they land on.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on May 28, 2017, 05:41:50 PM
I^ I edited my earler post......... But they look different. Haven't you see the compairisons?
Yes ... one is a sacrificial engineer, no need for a flight suit when he's about to kill himself. The other is a spaceship piloting engineer, as discussed in Prometheus itself that installation they found was a military installation with the bio weapons ready to wipe out Earth in the case of the one ship we see inside (before an outbreak killed most of them).
Face it - as far as Ridley is concerned, the idea was the sacrificial engineer was the same as the military engineer. Time and clothing aside.
They are engineers, and intended to be the same.
Thats not to say Ridley might not retcon the whole thing in the future, who knows.
Quote from: dave1978 on May 28, 2017, 07:12:22 PM
Im so sick of hearing that they have to get to 2 hours dead on, WHY? i would be happy to sit through 3 hours of an Alien movie
The next one needs to be 2.5 hours at least. ALIEN worked at 2 hrs because of how minimal the plot was. It was able to take its time. Today ALIEN would be 1.5 hours maximum, because modern audiences complained that COVENANT was too f'in slow.
But that's just one thing. The real reason this film CANNOT BE more than 2 hours is because it R-RATED and has a 100 million dollar budget. I dont think most audiences realize how UNHEARD OF that is. This is the only R-RATED major franchise that commands a budget anyway near that.
It needs to be 2 hours to earn its money back or, like RIDLEY SCOTT says "There wont be a sequel." If it plays 8 x a day at 2 hours, it would only play 6 x a day at 2 hours and 20 min.
This is why the movie feels rushed. FOX would be wise to invest the money in the franchise's shelf life and not worry about the next film making back its money so much as they worry about getting it right.
One more ALIEN Prequel at a 2 hours and 40 min length, would be great. But the only way thats gonna happen is if SCOTT heads towards PG13.
I hope fans start weighing their bitching and moaning against whether they want another film to happen.
I would like to see the uncut Covenant on home video, but I doubt it will be a substantial increase in quality. My issues with the movie have to do with the broad strokes of the story more than anything else.
However, they certainly have the footage they need to improve Prometheus and make it a proper masterpiece. If Scott wants to preserve the mystery, cool, but he could at least restore character scenes and give us a more rounded, heroic Shaw. If audiences connected a little more to the characters, the third act would work much better. Principally they just need to restore Janek's drunken monologue. The movie needs his character's decisions to work, and for that to happen, that scene needs to be restored. You can do the same with Milburn, having another scene of him being curious about life forms. His later behavior is easier to understand. These character beats also further reinforce the "humans are victims of their programming" theme.
I would love to see an extended cut of Covenant. I usually like the extended cuts of the movies I get on Blu-ray more than the cinema version because of the added detail. I do like the extended cuts of the Alien movies on Blu-ray compared to the cinema versions, especially the extended cut for Aliens.
As much as I loved Covenant, even I felt the third act felt rushed. I understand the economic pressure from the studio to get the movie to about 2 hours. However, it then falls to the director and writers, I feel, to craft a story that won't feel rushed in that 2 hours.
A lot of people have complained that outside of Tennessee, Daniels, and Oram, they didn't really get too invested in the other crew members. I've been thinking about that ever since seeing Covenant. I realize that the original Alien was a fairly simple affair, especially when compared to the scope of the other movies. However, the crew of the Nostromo was only 7. Covenant's crew was I think 15, including the original captain and we all know how that turned out. Prometheus was basically the same thing, people all over the place. I know this wouldn't solve all of the problems that people have stated they have with Covenant. However, less people means less time needed to give everyone screen time, which hopefully means a tighter story and much better pacing.
Quote from: Protozoid on May 29, 2017, 01:55:13 AM
I would like to see the uncut Covenant on home video, but I doubt it will be a substantial increase in quality. My issues with the movie have to do with the broad strokes of the story more than anything else.
However, they certainly have the footage they need to improve Prometheus and make it a proper masterpiece. If Scott wants to preserve the mystery, cool, but he could at least restore character scenes and give us a more rounded, heroic Shaw. If audiences connected a little more to the characters, the third act would work much better. Principally they just need to restore Janek's drunken monologue. The movie needs his character's decisions to work, and for that to happen, that scene needs to be restored. You can do the same with Milburn, having another scene of him being curious about life forms. His later behavior is easier to understand. These character beats also further reinforce the "humans are victims of their programming" theme.
Scott should make extended cuts of BOTH prequels ASAP.
Although it seems like Ridley might have more self respect and class than Robert Rodriguez and his ilk, I do wonder if they did the same crap with the Covenant trailers that pissed me off with the Predators trailers. Shooting pieces specifically for advertising purposes that were never in the script, never intended to go in the movie, but look good and show something cool to get people interested. In my book, it's the height of false advertising as far as movies are concerned, and both Prometheus and Covenant were woefully missold.
Wouldn't mind seeing the alleged Xeno/Neo scene which sheds light on what happened to the second Neo. Almost insulting they left the second Neo unexplained. Rookies. Fans are too smart for this cute editing.
here is my advice to you Ridley dont listen to people you are the film maker here you know a hell of alot more than they do
so do the movies the way you want. dont listen to stupid people you screened it for.
Fox were over confident in the film moved it from August and watched it get crushed.
Lame film
We. Want a refund
Quote from: MrRipley on May 29, 2017, 11:00:23 AM
We. Want a refund
Tough titty. You. Won't get one.
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But that's just one thing. The real reason this film CANNOT BE more than 2 hours is because it R-RATED and has a 100 million dollar budget.
This is why the movie feels rushed. FOX would be wise to invest the money in the franchise's shelf life and not worry about the next film making back its money so much as they worry about getting it right.
Terminator 2 - 102 million - 137 minutes
Gladiator - 103 million - 155 minutes. Non-franchise movie.
American Gangster - 100 million - 158 minutes. Non-franchise movie.
Django Unchained - 100 million - 166 minutes. Non-franchise movie.
The Wolf of Wall Street - 100 million -
179 minutes!. Non-franchise movie.
The Revenant - 135 million - 156 minutes. Non-franchise movie.
Both neos were shot; one in the wheat field, the other by Oram, watch it again. ::)
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 29, 2017, 07:16:57 AM
Wouldn't mind seeing the alleged Xeno/Neo scene which sheds light on what happened to the second Neo. Almost insulting they left the second Neo unexplained. Rookies. Fans are too smart for this cute editing.
It go killed in the wheat field. One characters shoots it and say "
got it!" It slumps to the floor trying to escape. It's quick, but it's on screen.
Originally, I think both survived because in the novelization one showed back up at the end to confront Daniels and Lope. It eventually was killed by the Xenomorph in a brutal fight.
Also, from the first test screening the same scene was shot, but without the fight between the two beasts.
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Ever wonder what happened to the OTHER Neomorph that went scurrying off into the darkness? Well he actually shows up in a short action scene that was only screened in the first cut. It is near the end of the film when Daniels and Lope are outside the Citadel awaiting rescue. They see Tennessee bringing down the landing platform but the second Neomorph makes a surprise appearance and begins charging at them. At that same time the Xenomorph steps out of the Citadel and sees the two in the distance and immediately gives chase from the opposite end. Daniels and Lope begin running for the landing platform, back to back, and firing in opposite directions at both Aliens. If I recall correctly we see the Xenomorph effortlessly dodging bullets mid-stride while Daniels is able to take down the Neomorph with her rifle.
- Shorten it down to 2 hours for cinematic release.
- Release directors cut 6 months later to increase sales.
Quote from: RabidNinja on May 29, 2017, 06:08:44 PM
- Shorten it down to 2 hours for cinematic release.
- Release directors cut 6 months later to increase sales.
If Fox wants to recoup's its money, they better force Riddles to piece the film back to its original state.
I hope you're right...I really do
We definitely need extended Cuts of Prometheus and Covenant, just to get the pacing right and make the story just that bit clearer.
Im all for ambiguity in some places, but not when its for the sake of it
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on May 30, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We definitely need extended Cuts of Prometheus and Covenant, just to get the pacing right and make the story just that bit clearer.
Im all for ambiguity in some places, but not when its for the sake of it
The problem with an Extended Cut is that it doesn't reach the same audience as a cinema does. Extended Cut's sometimes add more scenes that improve (or not) a certain aspect in the movie.
I remember Prometheus had an alternate opening. But I haven't seen any footage of that...
Alien Covenant could use some additions here and there and I'm pretty damn sure alot has been cut.
We'll see.
A sequel is 100% garantueed at this point. Covenant has been made on a relatively low-budget ...
Quote from: SyntaX on May 30, 2017, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on May 30, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We definitely need extended Cuts of Prometheus and Covenant, just to get the pacing right and make the story just that bit clearer.
Im all for ambiguity in some places, but not when its for the sake of it
The problem with an Extended Cut is that it doesn't reach the same audience as a cinema does. Extended Cut's sometimes add more scenes that improve (or not) a certain aspect in the movie.
I remember Prometheus had an alternate opening. But I haven't seen any footage of that...
Alien Covenant could use some additions here and there and I'm pretty damn sure alot has been cut.
We'll see.
A sequel is 100% garantueed at this point. Covenant has been made on a relatively low-budget ...
Depends. I bet you more people saw the director's long home video cut of Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil than in their original theater releases. If they put out a longer version of Covenant, over time it may become the "true" version that everyone sees and remembers, and if it's good, that will improve the movie's rep.
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil
This is not those movies (and I don't even like
Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil
This is not those movies (and I don't even like Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Those were just off the top of my head. The idea is that it bombed in theaters and most people saw the home video version, resulting in a reappraisal. The bigger the bomb, the more opportunity for improvement there is. Sounds like they have a lot of footage for the last two movies. They could cobble together ultimate editions using all available footage and see if Ridley's vision grows on them. It almost certainly will. People want the long cuts to be good, which is most of the battle right there.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil
This is not those movies (and I don't even like Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Those were just off the top of my head. The idea is that it bombed in theaters and most people saw the home video version, resulting in a reappraisal. The bigger the bomb, the more opportunity for improvement there is. Sounds like they have a lot of footage for the last two movies. They could cobble together ultimate editions using all available footage and see if Ridley's vision grows on them. It almost certainly will. People want the long cuts to be good, which is most of the battle right there.
Look no further than William Friedkin's Sorcerer from 1977. One prominent critic from New York Times gave it a bad review, then everybody went apeshit on Friedkin because he dared to remake a beloved French art-house classic from 1953 and then suddenly without giving ANY thought everybody was aping those comments without putting any thought. Simultaneous release next to Star Wars, confusing marketing and lack of English language for the first 20 minutes didn't help, either. But hey, 35 years later, it became gradually reappraised. I even had DIRECT impact on this reappraisal, I made 99% of content on its wikipedia page, and it even influenced Warner Bros. which then used quotes from 40 years ago which I painstakingly fished out from the deepest depths of the Internet. One chick who's a film reviewer even wrote a piece on it for Medium.com and she acknowledged my help and put a special thanks for me :) But anyway, even the crtiics which initially hated the film now made a U-turn and admitted they were wrong. And now even it is not only thought of as a lost classic but even a lot of critics think it's more relevant than the original version.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on May 30, 2017, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil
This is not those movies (and I don't even like Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Those were just off the top of my head. The idea is that it bombed in theaters and most people saw the home video version, resulting in a reappraisal. The bigger the bomb, the more opportunity for improvement there is. Sounds like they have a lot of footage for the last two movies. They could cobble together ultimate editions using all available footage and see if Ridley's vision grows on them. It almost certainly will. People want the long cuts to be good, which is most of the battle right there.
Look no further than William Friedkin's Sorcerer from 1977. One prominent critic from New York Times gave it a bad review, then everybody went apeshit on Friedkin because he dared to remake a beloved French art-house classic from 1953 and then suddenly without giving ANY thought everybody was aping those comments without putting any thought. Simultaneous release next to Star Wars, confusing marketing and lack of English language for the first 20 minutes didn't help, either. But hey, 35 years later, it became gradually reappraised. I even had DIRECT impact on this reappraisal, I made 99% of content on its wikipedia page, and it even influenced Warner Bros. which then used quotes from 40 years ago which I painstakingly fished out from the deepest depths of the Internet. One chick who's a film reviewer even wrote a piece on it for Medium.com and she acknowledged my help and put a special thanks for me :) But anyway, even the crtiics which initially hated the film now made a U-turn and admitted they were wrong. And now even it is not only thought of as a lost classic but even a lot of critics think it's more relevant than the original version.
Sorcerer is a great example! All Friedkin had to do was recolorize the movie and critics treated it like a new cut of the movie, right? And now almost overnight its rep went from one of the worst films to one of the best. Incredible. Just saw it for the first time last year and it was gripping, mesmerizing, haunting stuff. Friedkin's masterpiece, IMHO.
the pacing is too quick, and extended cut would be nice
yes, i really hope so, the pacing of the movie is a little rushed, just like in Prometheus, you can tell stuff was cut
Third act feels very rushed.
I feel like the film would absolutely benefit from an extended cut on Blu Ray. In particular, the third act. I wonder if there were many scenes of the Alien and Neomorph cut from the film... ???
when i went to see it today for the first time i was most worried that i was gonna really loce it up until that reported rushed 3rd act. .but i actually welcomed the quicker pace it took during the third act. .i generally hate it when the climax of a movie happens to early on. .but it never felt like that while i watched covenant. .some of the most memorable scenes was during the 3rd act. .was surprised how much i enjoyed the shower scene and even the infamous chestburster scene. .actually really loved the look of the baby xeno and it mimicking david did not even bother me in the least. .the fight scene between the androids was also alot more entertaining that what i had imagined. . And loved daniels panic when the alien gave chase before she finally defeated it. .so many awesome events during that 3rd act. .
Quote from: juxtapose on Jun 01, 2017, 02:55:51 PM
when i went to see it today for the first time i was most worried that i was gonna really loce it up until that reported rushed 3rd act. .but i actually welcomed the quicker pace it took during the third act. .i generally hate it when the climax of a movie happens to early on. .but it never felt like that while i watched covenant. .some of the most memorable scenes was during the 3rd act. .was surprised how much i enjoyed the shower scene and even the infamous chestburster scene. .actually really loved the look of the baby xeno and it mimicking david did not even bother me in the least. .the fight scene between the androids was also alot more entertaining that what i had imagined. . And loved daniels panic when the alien gave chase before she finally defeated it. .so many awesome events during that 3rd act. .
I had almost no problems with 3rd act and I think the Covenant's pacing was a deliberate attempt to distance itself from Prometheus's pacing. And the film - to me - had a superb flow.
Disagree. This was a really choppy narrative. More so than Prometheus, the cuts are really obvious and harmful. And the unsurosising surprise fourth act is pointless and boring. This one needs a longer cut. The story is cut to shreds. Both prologues should have been in the film, and probably some of the other deleted scenes. Walter had shockingly little screen time. The buildup between him and David is really underdeveloped and appears to happen in minutes. This was a badly cut film, narratively speaking. Although, the script was also quite weak, which is where the real narrative, structural, and character issues are inherited. This movie just doesn't work, IMO.
it's interesting to see how polarizing this movie is. .the very thing i loved about this filming experience is the very thing that others hate. . I felt david and walter took up way enought screen time for instance. .they even kissed. .would u have been more satisfied if they got married and adopted a baby neo?. .i am gay so it would!nt have bothered me much. .i was in for this movie cause of the action . .the gore. .the neo's and ultimately the big awesome f**king acid bleeding chap f**ker with the extended jaw. . .i got to see him like never before. .what i did not get was the love for the opening scene with weyland. .did not hate it. .but it was probably the least memorably scene IMO. .but i am glad others enjoyed it more. .even the flute scene was not quite as munchy as i thought it might be. .but i did not really mind it either. .their was plenty of scenes which i knew about before going into the threater wich i did not think was gonna please me much. .but their was plenty. .the wheatfield attack and the last 20 minutes on the covenant. . Loved it!
I want longer cut. I felt like it was missing 30 mins for the ending. Apparently I was right. it needs to be longer
it has become a trend in hollywood to release incomplete and mutilated movies, even lying with trailers putting stuff that is not in the finished movie (Power Rangers, Covenant/Prometheus, BvS, Suicide Squad, anything from the mcu, etc, the list is endless)
I can't believe the Xeno jumping around the red hallway towards the camera wasn't in the movie.