Title: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 11, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 11, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
Talking to the Empire Magazine for their latest Heroes Issue, Sigourney Weaver revealed to the magazine that Walter Hill sent her a 50 page treatment for an Alien 5! Unfortunately she doesn’t mention any details, but Weaver states that she received it nearly 18 months back, in the aftermath of the death of Blomkamp’s Alien 5.
Speaking to Empire in the new Heroes Issue – on sale now – Weaver revealed that she received a 50-page treatment from Alien franchise producer Walter Hill around a year and a half ago for a different take on a fifth Ripley film, which came about in the aftermath of Blomkamp's project falling through – though she's ultimately not sure the future of Alien rests in the revival of that legendary character. "I don't know," she said. "Ridley has gone in a different direction. Maybe Ripley has done her bit. She deserves a rest."
Walter Hill and David Giler at the premiere of Alien 3.
Though once a huge part of the Alien franchise, Walter Hill has been absent from the series since Alien 3. Hill co-wrote multiple drafts of both the original Alien and Alien 3 along with his Brandywine partner David Giler.
This issue of Empire is now on shelves, but we don’t know yet if the actual article goes into more detail about this treatment.
Update: Here’s the full two page article in PDF format.
Empire Magazine (July 2020)
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 11, 2020, 05:49:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 11, 2020, 05:49:02 PM
Quote"I don't know," she said. "Ridley has gone in a different direction. Maybe Ripley has done her bit. She deserves a rest."
I agree.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 11, 2020, 05:56:23 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 11, 2020, 05:56:23 PM
I think I'm more impressed Hill is wanting to get involved again and did a nice beastly treatment. Honestly though, give me my soft reboot Studios/Disney!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: El Pistolero on Jun 11, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Post by: El Pistolero on Jun 11, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Riplay died in Alien 3. She had a perfect story and a perfect Ending.
I think the best way to continue is a really good Sequel to Covenant.
I think the best way to continue is a really good Sequel to Covenant.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: marrerom on Jun 11, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
Post by: marrerom on Jun 11, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
As long as its a sequel to Alien Resurrection and not a retcon of Alien 3 i'm willing to give it a chance.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 06:04:24 PM
Post by: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 06:04:24 PM
Can we retcon A:R?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Could just as easily be that Ripley would be there in spirit and not a physical player in the story. Similar to Alien Isolation. She voices the opening, the flight log, and then her voice is sampled for the end credits.
I'd love a connection like that. I'd honestly really like them to do something like Alien Isolation.
I'd love a connection like that. I'd honestly really like them to do something like Alien Isolation.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 11, 2020, 06:16:55 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 11, 2020, 06:16:55 PM
Quote from: Sigourney Weavershe's ultimately not sure the future of Alien rests in the revival of that legendary character. Maybe Ripley has done her bit. She deserves a rest."
Yeah, this woman doesn't know what she wants. Or perhaps Hill's script wasn't as enticing as Blomkamp's one.
Quote from: Neill Blomkamp"I basically worked on Alien for about...I met Sigourney on Chappie and I had a different idea for an Alien film I wanted to make. So I had this idea for a story set in the world of those two first films that was not a continuation of James Cameron's. It was just in the world of it and it had a totally different character that was the lead character. Because my assumption was that Sigourney would just never make another one and I told her about it on Chappie and she was like "No, no, no! I actually would make another one because I felt like Ripley's story didn't end correctly." I was like "oh, okay. That's amazing!"
Quote from: Sigourney WeaverI hope that Neill Blomkamp and I will eventually get back to it. He's written such a wonderful script. I look forward to finishing Ripley's story.
QuoteEither way, she sounds determined to revisit Ellen Ripley. "It's a great story and it's satisfying to me to give this woman an ending," Weaver says, which makes it sound like this would be her final go-round as the character. That means resolution — not that Ripley will necessarily die. (Note that she's died before, and that obviously didn't end anything.)
Quote from: Neill BlomkampMy apprehension with Alien was that I had never worked with someone else's material. And not even someone else – at this point it was like... I'm going to count Fincher in with the third one, even though the third one I don't like as much as the first two. But they're all three awesome filmmakers. So it's not about living up to it and being nervous about it, I just don't want other people to tell me what to do. Which is a different thing. 'Well we think in this film this should happen because it happened in that one.' That kind of scared me a little bit so then I was like 'I'm just not going to do it, I'm just going to put it out.' But then I spoke to Sigourney [Weaver]. And I love Sigourney and her wanting to execute the story that I wrote, and she thinks it's the right story for Ripley. So I was like 'Nah, I'm fully going to do this.'
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Salt The Fries on Jun 11, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Jun 11, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: El Pistolero on Jun 11, 2020, 05:59:38 PMIndeed :)
I think the best way to continue is a really good Sequel to Covenant.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 11, 2020, 06:18:14 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 11, 2020, 06:18:14 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/bf5714903e7e27cecc967b39d23cf053/tenor.gif)
Even considering his participation, I wonder if Hill was planning on retconning Alien3.
Roughly 18 months ago? Disney's announcement of the merger was what, December 2017? Roughly 30 months ago? The merger was complete maybe 15 months ago. Hmm. One of those killed projects?
Even considering his participation, I wonder if Hill was planning on retconning Alien3.
Roughly 18 months ago? Disney's announcement of the merger was what, December 2017? Roughly 30 months ago? The merger was complete maybe 15 months ago. Hmm. One of those killed projects?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 11, 2020, 06:23:15 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 11, 2020, 06:23:15 PM
Huh...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: marrerom on Jun 11, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: marrerom on Jun 11, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 06:04:24 PM
Can we retcon A:R?
No Retconning of any kind. Last thing we need is for the Alien series to end up like Terminator... Just a jumbled mess with 3 sequels to the same movie.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 11, 2020, 06:48:07 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 11, 2020, 06:48:07 PM
Yeah, not a fan of retconning anything. Ripley had a great ending, just let it rest. Third prequel, and then a soft reboot is probably the best way.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Vrastal on Jun 11, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
Post by: Vrastal on Jun 11, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
They need to stop throwing ripley and her name into everything
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:09:35 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: El Pistolero on Jun 11, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Riplay died in Alien 3. She had a perfect story and a perfect Ending.
Riplay was the best among bald settlers of Fury 161
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 11, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 11, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Jun 11, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
They need to stop throwing ripley and her name into everything
She just keeps popping up.
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/7688c4724e81311bc3371de0a917c911/tumblr_og4fewzAKY1vdlvpao1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 11, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 11, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: El Pistolero on Jun 11, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
I think the best way to continue is a really good Sequel to Covenant.
Give up the ambitions of the prequel, give David and Origae-6 more than 200 years to develop and put Alien Awakening after Alien Resurrection. Start the Mortal Kombat between Ripley 8 and David 8.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Who would win ?
Look at the happy faces of people who ruined Alien franchise ...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/11062020_01a.jpg)
... and punch them
Look at the happy faces of people who ruined Alien franchise ...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/11062020_01a.jpg)
... and punch them
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 11, 2020, 08:06:17 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 11, 2020, 08:06:17 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Look at the happy faces of people who ruined Alien franchise ...
Of these three, I only know the guy in the center. ;) Hiller left, Giler right?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 11, 2020, 08:40:11 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 11, 2020, 08:40:11 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Could just as easily be that Ripley would be there in spirit and not a physical player in the story. Similar to Alien Isolation. She voices the opening, the flight log, and then her voice is sampled for the end credits.
This. The story doesn't have to revolve around Ripley and Sigourney Weaver could provide her voice as in Alien Isolation (or The Cabin in the Woods) in order to have Ripley in a "spiritual" way as you say.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 11, 2020, 08:46:09 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 11, 2020, 08:46:09 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:35:14 PMAnd yet without them there wouldn't be an Allen franchise :(
Look at the happy faces of people who ruined Alien franchise ...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/11062020_01a.jpg)
... and punch them
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 11, 2020, 08:51:18 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 11, 2020, 08:51:18 PM
Yup. Whether you like it or not, it's true.
How about this ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/eDqFR6g.jpg)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 11, 2020, 05:56:23 PM
I think I'm more impressed Hill is wanting to get involved again and did a nice beastly treatment. Honestly though, give me my soft reboot Studios/Disney!
How about this ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/eDqFR6g.jpg)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 11, 2020, 08:57:21 PM
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 11, 2020, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Who would win ?
Look at the happy faces of people who ruined Alien franchise ...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/11062020_01a.jpg)
... and punch them
#F**kGiler lol
I wouldnt mind reading this 50 page treatment if it got leaked
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 11, 2020, 08:46:09 PMQuote from: Kradan on Jun 11, 2020, 07:35:14 PMAnd yet without them there wouldn't be an Allen franchise :(
Look at the happy faces of people who ruined Alien franchise ...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/11062020_01a.jpg)
... and punch them
Dude, you really need to take everything people say seriously ?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 11, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 11, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
If I took what you said seriously I would've made some comment about not physically assaulting people over a film you don't like.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 09:49:07 PM
Post by: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Jun 11, 2020, 06:42:00 PMQuote from: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 06:04:24 PM
Can we retcon A:R?
No Retconning of any kind. Last thing we need is for the Alien series to end up like Terminator... Just a jumbled mess with 3 sequels to the same movie.
I agree. It was tongue in cheek.
On the flip side, 6 out of 8 movies involving the universe have proved to be pretty divisive.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 11, 2020, 10:47:55 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 11, 2020, 10:47:55 PM
i wonder if hill's treatment continued the story of ripley 8, a different version, or a retcon ???
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 11, 2020, 11:04:51 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 11, 2020, 11:04:51 PM
Fascinating...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: irn on Jun 11, 2020, 11:13:19 PM
Post by: irn on Jun 11, 2020, 11:13:19 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 06:04:24 PMAs bad as A:R is as part of the main series, it is set so far in the future that you can make a sequel to Alien 3 and have pretty much the freedom to do whatever without it having to affect it. Gives people the option to keep it canon or not.
Can we retcon A:R?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 12, 2020, 01:05:07 AM
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 12, 2020, 01:05:07 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 11, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
"Ridley has gone in a different direction. Maybe Ripley has done her bit. She deserves a rest."
This genuinely sounds like she's simply isn't a fan of the direction the prequels went in. I suspect she's more of a fan of the Alien's origins being more cosmic in scale. Can't say that I really blame her.
Quote from: razeak on Jun 11, 2020, 06:04:24 PM
Can we retcon A:R?
If you're going to do that, then you might as well do the same with the third film, too. That way, we don't have to deal with the magical teleporting egg, can still have any adult become a Queen, etcetera.
Either stand on the shoulders of both or neither.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Could just as easily be that Ripley would be there in spirit and not a physical player in the story. Similar to Alien Isolation. She voices the opening, the flight log, and then her voice is sampled for the end credits.
I'd love a connection like that. I'd honestly really like them to do something like Alien Isolation.
If that were the case, she wouldn't have been the primary one approached and given the entire treatment. They could have simply asked her after the fact or just hired the services of a great impersonator.
Plus, given his involvement in the series, he's probably very aware she would be a financial draw for ticket sales, if headlining the project.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 12, 2020, 01:32:17 AM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 12, 2020, 01:32:17 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 12, 2020, 01:05:07 AMQuote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Could just as easily be that Ripley would be there in spirit and not a physical player in the story. Similar to Alien Isolation. She voices the opening, the flight log, and then her voice is sampled for the end credits.
I'd love a connection like that. I'd honestly really like them to do something like Alien Isolation.
If that were the case, she wouldn't have been the primary one approached and given the entire treatment. They could have simply asked her after the fact or just hired the services of a great impersonator.
i agree; from this tiny bit of information, i think we can gleam that ripley featured at least somewhat heavily in this treatment
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 12, 2020, 01:53:36 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 12, 2020, 01:53:36 AM
Perhaps Shane Black could make up for his misdeeds by helping to leak this somehow.
Surely the man has connections?
Surely the man has connections?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Richman678 on Jun 12, 2020, 02:27:07 AM
Post by: Richman678 on Jun 12, 2020, 02:27:07 AM
That's English for she likes Blomkamps script better.
At first i was on team Ridley. After Covenant I'm now on team Blomkamp. We should have one more Ripley movie before the goddess Sigourney is too old to do one.
Blomkamps oats studios projects were very impressive. It's an unpopular opinion but i really like Chappie too.
Make the Blomkamp movie!!!
At first i was on team Ridley. After Covenant I'm now on team Blomkamp. We should have one more Ripley movie before the goddess Sigourney is too old to do one.
Blomkamps oats studios projects were very impressive. It's an unpopular opinion but i really like Chappie too.
Make the Blomkamp movie!!!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: D88M on Jun 12, 2020, 02:50:40 AM
Post by: D88M on Jun 12, 2020, 02:50:40 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jun 12, 2020, 02:27:07 AM
That's English for she likes Blomkamps script better.
At first i was on team Ridley. After Covenant I'm now on team Blomkamp. We should have one more Ripley movie before the goddess Sigourney is too old to do one.
Blomkamps oats studios projects were very impressive. It's an unpopular opinion but i really like Chappie too.
Make the Blomkamp movie!!!
She did not said that. Blomkamp story felt like a bad fan fiction to me.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
I agree with that.
Probably Ridley Scott sees Alien as a money machine and doesn't care about the story at all. He proved it with Covenant. On the other side, Blomkamp feels to love the series as a fan and there is a probability to create a good movie.
Probably Ridley Scott sees Alien as a money machine and doesn't care about the story at all. He proved it with Covenant. On the other side, Blomkamp feels to love the series as a fan and there is a probability to create a good movie.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 12, 2020, 10:09:29 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 12, 2020, 10:09:29 AM
Scott making increasingly esoteric stories as prequels to sci-fi horror kind of speaks volumes to him not just thinking they're money machines.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 12, 2020, 11:25:45 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 12, 2020, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
I agree with that.
Probably Ridley Scott sees Alien as a money machine and doesn't care about the story at all. He proved it with Covenant. On the other side, Blomkamp feels to love the series as a fan and there is a probability to create a good movie.
Whedon loved the series too. So did Anderson. And the Strauses.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 12, 2020, 11:25:45 AM
Whedon loved the series too. So did Anderson. And the Strauses.
Therefore, we need someone who doesn't like the series. Who could it be? Ridley, obviously. And also Fincher?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 12, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 12, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
A filmmaker - one who doesn't preferably rave about being a fan.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
I wonder what someone like Nicholas Meyer would give us.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Huggs on Jun 12, 2020, 02:30:56 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 12, 2020, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
I agree with that.
Probably Ridley Scott sees Alien as a money machine and doesn't care about the story at all. He proved it with Covenant. On the other side, Blomkamp feels to love the series as a fan and there is a probability to create a good movie.
1. I wouldn't call it a money machine at this point, and Scott obviously cares a bit too much about the story because he keeps showing us what HE wants to see.
2. Being a fan of something does not equate to artistic ability or increase the odds of a good narrative. Shane black even starred in the first Predator film and look at the absolute mess he made of The Predator.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Adam802 on Jun 12, 2020, 03:12:11 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Jun 12, 2020, 03:12:11 PM
*Sigh.................
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 12, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 12, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Jun 12, 2020, 03:12:11 PM
*Sigh.................
He's going to fart. I know the signs.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 12, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 12, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 12, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
A filmmaker - one who doesn't preferably rave about being a fan.
Oh yeah
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
I think the story has to be something to expand the lore and also be a good ending for Ripley.
Covenant had a little bit silly story except the Walter/David thing. Shaw was killed for no reason and a very old civilization was killed by a robot.
Last but not least we haven't got an answer for the Prometheus film. Why engineers want to kill humans.
Covenant had a little bit silly story except the Walter/David thing. Shaw was killed for no reason and a very old civilization was killed by a robot.
Last but not least we haven't got an answer for the Prometheus film. Why engineers want to kill humans.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
It will be really cool to see Hicks and Newt again with Ripley together.
It is every "Aliens" 's fans dream!
It is every "Aliens" 's fans dream!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 12, 2020, 05:04:06 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 12, 2020, 05:04:06 PM
Quote from: D88M on Jun 12, 2020, 02:50:40 AM
She did not said that. Blomkamp story felt like a bad fan fiction to me.
It's heavily implied though, she was raring to go with Blomkamp's story (hell, she was actively campaigning to get Neill's film made) but now that she has another opportunity to continue Ripley's story, she is coming up with excuses not to do it.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 12, 2020, 10:09:29 AM
Scott making increasingly esoteric stories as prequels to sci-fi horror kind of speaks volumes to him not just thinking they're money machines.
Indeed, he's veering off into his own personal interests like AI and ancient astronauts, instead of capitalizing and milking the titular Alien for all it's worth.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
Quote from: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
Last but not least we haven't got an answer for the Prometheus film. Why engineers want to kill humans.
Sometimes to create, one must first destroy.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2020, 05:30:48 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2020, 05:30:48 PM
They had to kill us to prevent the Predators from harvesting our autism.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Darkness on Jun 12, 2020, 05:35:54 PM
Post by: Darkness on Jun 12, 2020, 05:35:54 PM
Not sure if anybody has posted this but here's the full 2-page article: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/202007-empire.pdf
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2020, 05:30:48 PM
They had to kill us to prevent the Predators from harvesting our autism.
But Walter hasn't created Predators yet!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
That's what the time travel is for!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: son_of_kane on Jun 12, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
Post by: son_of_kane on Jun 12, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
It will be really cool to see Hicks and Newt again with Ripley together.
It is every "Aliens" 's fans dream!
It should be a passing of the torch film...an older Ripley and Hicks instructing a grown-up Newt on how to fight the xenomorph menace. Newt would then be the central character in any follow-up movies (of course, this would mean that Alien 3 and AR need to be completely disregarded).
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 12, 2020, 08:00:50 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 12, 2020, 08:00:50 PM
It makes little difference if they make any Alien films, Whether it Be the final prequel, Alien 5, or Blomkmap's Alien retcon. The fans will take what's provided and those that don't won't watch it if they don't want to.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 12, 2020, 08:01:59 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 12, 2020, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 12, 2020, 01:05:07 AM
If that were the case, she wouldn't have been the primary one approached and given the entire treatment. They could have simply asked her after the fact or just hired the services of a great impersonator.
Plus, given his involvement in the series, he's probably very aware she would be a financial draw for ticket sales, if headlining the project.
I should have clarified myself more there. I didn't mean that is what was in the treatment, so much as saying that would be a way to make it work without having to retcon.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jun 12, 2020, 11:43:49 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jun 12, 2020, 11:43:49 PM
Blomkamp, Hill, whoever, just make it happen.
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 13, 2020, 01:54:33 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 13, 2020, 01:54:33 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jun 12, 2020, 11:43:49 PM
Blomkamp, Hill, whoever, just make it happen.
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Isn't that more like a new "Alien lll" and not so much an "Alien V" ? ???
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jun 13, 2020, 02:41:39 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jun 13, 2020, 02:41:39 AM
Blomkamp's 5 would've been the new 3, and probably Hill's too.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Giler thought cloning could be a way of Ripley coming back when Alien 3 came out.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 13, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 13, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 13, 2020, 01:54:33 AM
Isn't that more like a new "Alien lll" and not so much an "Alien V" ? ???
Alien 3/5 or Alien 5/3.
Also good name is Aliens 2.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 13, 2020, 03:54:24 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 13, 2020, 03:54:24 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Giler thought cloning could be a way of Ripley coming back when Alien 3 came out.
Yeah but that was said in jest during the wrap party.
I don't think Giler ever seriously imagined that anyone would actually do it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: PVC on Jun 13, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
Post by: PVC on Jun 13, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
Hi. Yes just make it happened. Don't care what R Scott wants or thinks. He is just a jealous old man who thinks he is Alien's dad. He is not. He is just busy making 3 serie z movies a years. Please make it happened with new actors , new writers , new producers There's so much to do with that monster New world or just lv426 ... Who cares. We want the xeno back. Call it Alien 5 , Alien 2 and half , Reel Alien 3 Or what they want , but make it happened. Regards
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 13, 2020, 06:55:38 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 13, 2020, 06:55:38 PM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jun 12, 2020, 02:27:07 AM
That's English for she likes Blomkamps script better.
At first i was on team Ridley. After Covenant I'm now on team Blomkamp. We should have one more Ripley movie before the goddess Sigourney is too old to do one.
Blomkamps oats studios projects were very impressive. It's an unpopular opinion but i really like Chappie too.
Make the Blomkamp movie!!!
Right on! Let's make it happen!
Quote from: D88M on Jun 12, 2020, 02:50:40 AMQuote from: Richman678 on Jun 12, 2020, 02:27:07 AM
That's English for she likes Blomkamps script better.
At first i was on team Ridley. After Covenant I'm now on team Blomkamp. We should have one more Ripley movie before the goddess Sigourney is too old to do one.
Blomkamps oats studios projects were very impressive. It's an unpopular opinion but i really like Chappie too.
Make the Blomkamp movie!!!
She did not said that. Blomkamp story felt like a bad fan fiction to me.
Holy shit! You read the story???
Quote from: MarineHicks023 on Jun 12, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
It will be really cool to see Hicks and Newt again with Ripley together.
It is every "Aliens" 's fans dream!
Yes! Totally
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 10:37:59 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 13, 2020, 03:54:24 PMQuote from: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Giler thought cloning could be a way of Ripley coming back when Alien 3 came out.
Yeah but that was said in jest during the wrap party.
I don't think Giler ever seriously imagined that anyone would actually do it.
Yeah, but my point was he wasn't averse to he idea.
He was averse to what eventuated, but there you go...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2020, 01:38:58 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2020, 01:38:58 AM
Just let the series die already.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 02:08:29 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 02:08:29 AM
But we won't be totally satisfied until Ridley puts David in the space jockey's suit and crashes on LV-426!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 14, 2020, 02:19:55 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 14, 2020, 02:19:55 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 02:08:29 AM
But we won't be totally satisfied until Ridley puts David in the space jockey's suit and crashes on LV-426!
Talk about scary.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Jeanbunny on Jun 14, 2020, 02:37:53 AM
Post by: Jeanbunny on Jun 14, 2020, 02:37:53 AM
Ripley AND Hicks deserve a happy ending-- TOGETHER. With Newt. Anything else is just bullshit.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Capt.Dallas at Thedus on Jun 14, 2020, 02:46:35 AM
Post by: Capt.Dallas at Thedus on Jun 14, 2020, 02:46:35 AM
Good work breaking this:)Very interesting-David Giler wrote The Parallax View-best 70's Conspiracy Film ever&Walter did Southern Comfort-Aliens was Southern Comfort In Space!!:)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 14, 2020, 03:32:26 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 14, 2020, 03:32:26 AM
I see this in the same way as many other fans here see it. It is clear to me that Weaver supports and prefers the Blomkamp script.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 03:33:47 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 03:33:47 AM
Didn't she once insist on having Giler and Hill rewrite Alien 3 as a condition of her taking the role?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2020, 04:55:06 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2020, 04:55:06 AM
Yes. Thankfully.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 05:02:54 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 05:02:54 AM
Maybe she thinks he needs Giler.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 14, 2020, 05:32:55 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 14, 2020, 05:32:55 AM
Quote from: PVC on Jun 13, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
Hi. Yes just make it happened. Don't care what R Scott wants or thinks. He is just a jealous old man who thinks he is Alien's dad. He is not. He is just busy making 3 serie z movies a years. Please make it happened with new actors , new writers , new producers There's so much to do with that monster New world or just lv426 ... Who cares. We want the xeno back. Call it Alien 5 , Alien 2 and half , Reel Alien 3 Or what they want , but make it happened. Regards
Lmao, Ridley hasn't made any such self-assertions, sure he has said the original film was his "baby" but indeed to make a baby requires at least two parties, etc. Also, each film gets new writers and new thespians... The hell are you on about? :D #yawn
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Brego on Jun 14, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Post by: Brego on Jun 14, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Great. Hill wants to ruin another Alien film. No thanks.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Jun 14, 2020, 08:07:27 AM
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Jun 14, 2020, 08:07:27 AM
We will see in the near future. I very doubt about bad blood because she acted in 3 Ridley Scott directed movies.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 14, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 14, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
Quote from: Brego on Jun 14, 2020, 07:53:04 AMYeah, what's he really done? Dude utterly ruined Alien with his rewrites.
Great. Hill wants to ruin another Alien film. No thanks.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 14, 2020, 04:24:18 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 14, 2020, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 10:37:59 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 13, 2020, 03:54:24 PMQuote from: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Giler thought cloning could be a way of Ripley coming back when Alien 3 came out.
Yeah but that was said in jest during the wrap party.
I don't think Giler ever seriously imagined that anyone would actually do it.
Yeah, but my point was he wasn't averse to he idea.
He was averse to what eventuated, but there you go...
I don't know, Valaquen spoke about it a few years back and it sounded like Giler and Hill were joking about it at the party because it was such an utterly awful idea. I think Hill said something along the lines that Ripley's story was now finally over, no bringing her back, when Giler quipped that she can always be brought back via cloning, which was kind of a cheap sci-fi trope/cliché back then.
Of course the joke was on them since they both got producers credits on Alien: Resurrection even though they had nothing to do with that film and even opposed it's making.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 14, 2020, 05:33:22 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 14, 2020, 05:33:22 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 14, 2020, 04:24:18 PMQuote from: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 10:37:59 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 13, 2020, 03:54:24 PMQuote from: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Giler thought cloning could be a way of Ripley coming back when Alien 3 came out.
Yeah but that was said in jest during the wrap party.
I don't think Giler ever seriously imagined that anyone would actually do it.
Yeah, but my point was he wasn't averse to he idea.
He was averse to what eventuated, but there you go...
I don't know, Valaquen spoke about it a few years back and it sounded like Giler and Hill were joking about it at the party because it was such an utterly awful idea. I think Hill said something along the lines that Ripley's story was now finally over, no bringing her back, when Giler quipped that she can always be brought back via cloning, which was kind of a cheap sci-fi trope/cliché back then.
Of course the joke was on them since they both got producers credits on Alien: Resurrection even though they had nothing to do with that film and even opposed it's making.
Pretty sure Hill was also happy to be done with Alien after Alien 3 too.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 14, 2020, 10:16:14 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 14, 2020, 10:16:14 PM
And now he has that royalty check reminding him of it for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2020, 10:18:07 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2020, 10:18:07 PM
Sit back an collect the money instead of churning out endless Alien 3 script revisions.
I'd take it.
I'd take it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 14, 2020, 10:56:14 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 14, 2020, 10:56:14 PM
Pretty sure he collects checks for the AvP movies as well.
And this is why people become movie producers, folks. Residuals.
And this is why people become movie producers, folks. Residuals.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: Jeanbunny on Jun 14, 2020, 02:37:53 AM
Ripley AND Hicks deserve a happy ending-- TOGETHER. With Newt. Anything else is just bullshit.
Not sure if trolling or not but ALIEN is a horror franchise.
It amazes me that so many people (mainly on youtube) desperately want Blomkamp to write and direct Alien 5, the guy has not done anything noteworthy/successful since District 9 and his last feature film was in 2015.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 09:53:23 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 09:53:23 AM
The only way Blomkamp's flick would get considered is if he had a hit movie, and that's unlikely until he makes one.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
Quote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
Not sure if trolling or not but ALIEN is a horror franchise.
Horror =/= dead end. Characters don't have to die or go crazy in the finale.
Alien - this is the perfect horror, which masterfully beat and change cliches. Alien 3 is another horror that USES cliches without imagination. If Ripley died at the end of Alien (as Ridley wished), we would not be here.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 15, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 15, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
I'd love to see one more Ripley's adventure. I just don't want them to retcon two good movies in the series (Alien³ and Resurrection have flaws but I like them, Weaver was amazing in both movies) as this would lead to a very bad fan movie, with lazy writing, where story doesn't make any sense and the Alien series would end up in the same place where Terminator movies are today (each movie is a sequel to T2... so bad).
I love Sigourney, she's my favourite actress (mainly because of non-alien roles in Snow Cake, Copycat, Galaxy Quest, Death and the Maiden, A Map of the World, The Girl in the Park, Imaginary Heroes...), she's always very passionate about new projects, so no surprise she endorsed Blomkamp's idea but she also co-produced the 3rd and 4th movie and she must take the responsibility for where the story went.
Alien trilogy and Ripley's story ended perfectly with Alien³. You can still do some kind of alternative version of Resurrection I guess if you need to bring another version of Ripley back but why would you do it when Ripley 8' story can be concluded without stupidly destroying previous chapters.
I say either do it right and respect previous movies or don't do it at all - Ripley died on Fury 161 and Ripley 8 lives somewhere in France - this story ends here.
Don't reboot. That would be so lame. Just write a good story with new original characters. You have entire galaxy to explore in Alien universe, just use a bit of creative imagination.
BTW there is a kind of sequel to Alien series with Ripley and played by Sigourney (OK this isn't quite serious but she's Ripley here, believe or not): https://youtu.be/s4X8pwE2tok
I love Sigourney, she's my favourite actress (mainly because of non-alien roles in Snow Cake, Copycat, Galaxy Quest, Death and the Maiden, A Map of the World, The Girl in the Park, Imaginary Heroes...), she's always very passionate about new projects, so no surprise she endorsed Blomkamp's idea but she also co-produced the 3rd and 4th movie and she must take the responsibility for where the story went.
Alien trilogy and Ripley's story ended perfectly with Alien³. You can still do some kind of alternative version of Resurrection I guess if you need to bring another version of Ripley back but why would you do it when Ripley 8' story can be concluded without stupidly destroying previous chapters.
I say either do it right and respect previous movies or don't do it at all - Ripley died on Fury 161 and Ripley 8 lives somewhere in France - this story ends here.
Don't reboot. That would be so lame. Just write a good story with new original characters. You have entire galaxy to explore in Alien universe, just use a bit of creative imagination.
BTW there is a kind of sequel to Alien series with Ripley and played by Sigourney (OK this isn't quite serious but she's Ripley here, believe or not): https://youtu.be/s4X8pwE2tok
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Keyes on Jun 15, 2020, 01:34:22 PM
Post by: Keyes on Jun 15, 2020, 01:34:22 PM
Very interesting. I'm surprised this news didn't get out sooner if the treatment has been around a year and a half.
Like others have suggested, I think Sigourney is loyal to Blomkamp's vision and was being diplomatic here. Would love to know what Hill came up with.
Like others have suggested, I think Sigourney is loyal to Blomkamp's vision and was being diplomatic here. Would love to know what Hill came up with.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 02:12:21 PM
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 10:28:00 AMQuote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
Not sure if trolling or not but ALIEN is a horror franchise.
Horror =/= dead end. Characters don't have to die or go crazy in the finale.
Alien - this is the perfect horror, which masterfully beat and change cliches. Alien 3 is another horror that USES cliches without imagination. If Ripley died at the end of Alien (as Ridley wished), we would not be here.
What cliches are you talking about? Would you have liked to see Ripley ride into the sunset with her new family? I believe Ripley's arc finishing the way it did in Alien 3 was true to the feel of the series.
Quote from: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 09:53:23 AM
The only way Blomkamp's flick would get considered is if he had a hit movie, and that's unlikely until he makes one.
That is definitely the case.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 02:26:01 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 02:26:01 PM
Quote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 02:12:21 PM
I believe Ripley's arc finishing the way it did in Alien 3 was true to the feel of the series.
Nothing like this! Where did you get this? Alien - happy end. Aliens - happy end. Alien 3 - bad end. I think the definition of "was true to the feel of the series" is infinitely far from reality. And it is an attempt to justify the mess created in Alien 3. Plus, trying to give some ghostly weight to the A3. Plus, distortion of facts about the series.
Alien/Aliens - meeting with evil, death and destruction, but victory and life at the end.
Alien 3 - meeting with evil, death and destruction at the end. This film is not part of a series - spiritually.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 15, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 15, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Alien: 1 survivor out of 7 + cat
Aliens: 3 survivors out of 172 people (158 colonist + 12 marines + Ripley + Burke) + Bishop
Happy endings? Victories? Really?
Alien³ had better survival rate if you count crew of the USCSS Patna.
Aliens: 3 survivors out of 172 people (158 colonist + 12 marines + Ripley + Burke) + Bishop
Happy endings? Victories? Really?
Alien³ had better survival rate if you count crew of the USCSS Patna.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 15, 2020, 03:01:08 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 15, 2020, 03:01:08 PM
I was about to post the same thing ! :D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 06:21:28 PM
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: MaxDuNord on Jun 15, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Alien: 1 survivor out of 7 + cat
Aliens: 3 survivors out of 172 people (158 colonist + 12 marines + Ripley + Burke) + Bishop
Happy endings? Victories? Really?
Alien³ had better survival rate if you count crew of the USCSS Patna.
Good summary mate and for fun you could also add the prequels.
Prometheus: 2 survivors out of 17 (Only 1 survivor really if you take into account that Shaw dies before Covenant starts)
Covenant: Probably zero survivors out of a crew of 15 + 2000 colonists?
ALIEN is really a dark franchise and that is one of the many reasons it is so great!
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 02:26:01 PMQuote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 02:12:21 PM
I believe Ripley's arc finishing the way it did in Alien 3 was true to the feel of the series.
Nothing like this! Where did you get this? Alien - happy end. Aliens - happy end. Alien 3 - bad end. I think the definition of "was true to the feel of the series" is infinitely far from reality. And it is an attempt to justify the mess created in Alien 3. Plus, trying to give some ghostly weight to the A3. Plus, distortion of facts about the series.
Alien/Aliens - meeting with evil, death and destruction, but victory and life at the end.
Alien 3 - meeting with evil, death and destruction at the end. This film is not part of a series - spiritually.
We must be talking about different movies mate.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2020, 06:55:23 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2020, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 02:26:01 PMQuote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 02:12:21 PM
I believe Ripley's arc finishing the way it did in Alien 3 was true to the feel of the series.
Nothing like this! Where did you get this? Alien - happy end. Aliens - happy end. Alien 3 - bad end. I think the definition of "was true to the feel of the series" is infinitely far from reality. And it is an attempt to justify the mess created in Alien 3. Plus, trying to give some ghostly weight to the A3. Plus, distortion of facts about the series.
Alien/Aliens - meeting with evil, death and destruction, but victory and life at the end.
Alien 3 - meeting with evil, death and destruction at the end. This film is not part of a series - spiritually.
Exactly, the ending of Aliens was so positive it practically had a Disney feel to it. It was Alien 3 that took the series into the abysmal darkness that polarized movie goers.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Brandywine Productions on Jun 15, 2020, 07:40:28 PM
Post by: Brandywine Productions on Jun 15, 2020, 07:40:28 PM
Thought you guys might like to see this:
https://brandywineprod.com/AlienVCoverPage.pdf
https://brandywineprod.com/AlienVCoverPage.pdf
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 07:43:06 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 07:43:06 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2020, 06:55:23 PM
Exactly, the ending of Aliens was so positive it practically had a Disney feel to it. It was Alien 3 that took the series into the abysmal darkness that polarized movie goers.
I find it funny that people go crazy when they see a happy end in their dark
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2020, 07:49:33 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2020, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 07:43:06 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2020, 06:55:23 PM
Exactly, the ending of Aliens was so positive it practically had a Disney feel to it. It was Alien 3 that took the series into the abysmal darkness that polarized movie goers.
It's definitely funny that Aliens is seen as one of the best action, sci-fi films of all time. There is a place for dark endings (Alien: Covenant) but do you really think Aliens suffered from a happy ending?
I find it funny that people go crazy when they see a happy end in their darkfantasiesfranchises.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: oduodu on Jun 15, 2020, 07:49:38 PM
Post by: oduodu on Jun 15, 2020, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 12, 2020, 11:46:44 AMQuote from: SM on Jun 12, 2020, 11:25:45 AM
Whedon loved the series too. So did Anderson. And the Strauses.
Therefore, we need someone who doesn't like the series. Who could it be? Ridley, obviously. And also Fincher?
CDL
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 07:53:33 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 07:53:33 PM
Quote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 06:21:28 PM
ALIEN is really a dark franchise and that is one of the many reasons it is so great!
Oh c'mon! Who is arguing? Not me. But dark =/= dead end. Alien/Aliens also dark, just without, well, dead end (if "happy end" it's a trigger for you). ;D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 08:01:07 PM
Post by: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 07:53:33 PMQuote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 06:21:28 PM
ALIEN is really a dark franchise and that is one of the many reasons it is so great!
Oh c'mon! Who is arguing? Not me. But dark =/= dead end. Alien/Aliens also dark, just without, well, dead end (if "happy end" it's a trigger for you). ;D
Well... I cant argue with that. :D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 15, 2020, 08:16:37 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 15, 2020, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2020, 06:55:23 PM
Exactly, the ending of Aliens was so positive it practically had a Disney feel to it. It was Alien 3 that took the series into the abysmal darkness that polarized movie goers.
I love Aliens, I really do. But, God, watching it's ending now is like forceably eating sugar spoon by spoon.
"MOMMY", "Can we dream now ?"
f**k off Newt
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 15, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 15, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: Brandywine Productions on Jun 15, 2020, 07:40:28 PM
Thought you guys might like to see this:
https://brandywineprod.com/AlienVCoverPage.pdf
Please feel free to email us the whole thing if you have it! corporalhicks-at-avpgalaxy.net
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 15, 2020, 09:24:44 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 15, 2020, 09:24:44 PM
Yes please!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 15, 2020, 09:53:01 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 15, 2020, 09:53:01 PM
it would be absolutely amazing to read even a sneak preview of this!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 15, 2020, 10:01:25 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 15, 2020, 10:01:25 PM
That would be a hell of a scoop.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 15, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 15, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream." :)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 11:31:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: Brandywine Productions on Jun 15, 2020, 07:40:28 PM
Thought you guys might like to see this:
https://brandywineprod.com/AlienVCoverPage.pdf
I would like to see more.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 15, 2020, 11:38:20 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 15, 2020, 11:38:20 PM
Yes please!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 15, 2020, 11:55:22 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 15, 2020, 11:55:22 PM
Well for now uh.. it's got a nice front cover, I guess :D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2020, 07:20:23 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2020, 07:20:23 AM
Well it seems like it might be legitmate: https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/walter-hill-alien-5-treatment-wants-sigourney-weaver
(https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1100xauto/public/alienvscriptphoto5.jpg)
QuoteToday, Hill's production company revealed to SYFY WIRE not just that the treatment exists, but also that he wrote it alongside fellow OG Alien producer David Giler. And this isn't some long stagnant project that's just now picking up steam. No, the latest draft is dated from March of this year.
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, though. Everything hinges on an ambivalent Weaver making the call on whether or not she'll reprise the iconic role of Ellen Ripley.
"Sigourney, as she has from the very beginning, is being too modest about her proven ability to pull off the idea — which is to tell a story that scares the pants off your date, kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley," Hill said in a statement obtained by SYFY WIRE.
Hill and Giler's company, Brandywine Productions, released an image of the treatment's title page, which bears the series' famous tagline: "In space no one can hear you scream," with the spine-tingling addition of "In space no one can hear you dream." There are also two historical quotes at the bottom, one from Edgar Allan Poe and one William Tecumseh Sherman.
(https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1100xauto/public/alienvscriptphoto5.jpg)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 08:54:01 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 08:54:01 AM
I hope it is not a prank. I don't care about sequels, prequels, retcons... I just want to get another film about biomechanical parasites with the inner jaw.
I don't even care about Ripley. If she will be in the film - good. If not, adjust the script, but still make a film!
More like - "In Hollywood no one can hear you dream".
I don't even care about Ripley. If she will be in the film - good. If not, adjust the script, but still make a film!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2020, 07:20:23 AM
"In space no one can hear you dream."
More like - "In Hollywood no one can hear you dream".
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Rush Hour Rambo on Jun 16, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Post by: Rush Hour Rambo on Jun 16, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Say what you like, Walter Hill & David Giler get movies made.
This might well happen. A proper Alien 5 would be exciting.
This might well happen. A proper Alien 5 would be exciting.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2020, 12:13:04 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2020, 12:13:04 PM
Interesting. But I'd rather just get a third prequel first.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Jun 16, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Jun 16, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
Id love to see Giler and Hill's take on the story. They seem to have completely removed themselves from the series now so this is a nice surprise. Have they ever made their thoughts felt on the prequels at all?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Keyes on Jun 16, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
Post by: Keyes on Jun 16, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
Hmm, I want to believe, but my Spider senses are tingling that this maybe a hoax.
The Brandywine website the pdf was hosted by looks pretty empty right now: https://brandywineprod.com/
Also their contact e-mail address, nostromo-at-brandywineprod.com seems a little fanboyish don't you think?
The Brandywine website the pdf was hosted by looks pretty empty right now: https://brandywineprod.com/
Also their contact e-mail address, nostromo-at-brandywineprod.com seems a little fanboyish don't you think?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
I can confirm Hill's new script is real. It also, very likely, won't get made. Blame the Company. I can't say more, really.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Jun 16, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Jun 16, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Is it a full script or just a detailed treatment?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 16, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 16, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
I don't doubt it's real.
I did think that was a little odd.
Quote from: Keyes on Jun 16, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
Hmm, I want to believe, but my Spider senses are tingling that this maybe a hoax.
The Brandywine website the pdf was hosted by looks pretty empty right now: https://brandywineprod.com/
Also their contact e-mail address, nostromo-at-brandywineprod.com seems a little fanboyish don't you think?
I did think that was a little odd.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:51:48 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jun 16, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Is it a full script or just a detailed treatment?
From what I know it's roughly the fifty pages mentioned by Weaver and HIll.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 02:22:37 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: Keyes on Jun 16, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
Hmm, I want to believe, but my Spider senses are tingling that this maybe a hoax.
The Brandywine website the pdf was hosted by looks pretty empty right now: https://brandywineprod.com/
Also their contact e-mail address, nostromo-at-brandywineprod.com seems a little fanboyish don't you think?
Well, wiki indicates this site as an official.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
I can confirm Hill's new script is real. It also, very likely, won't get made. Blame the Company. I can't say more, really.
Sounds like some kind of a teaser. ;)
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PMGood.
I can confirm Hill's new script is real.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PMNot good.
It also, very likely, won't get made.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PMSounds like studio intrigue. RS woke up again when they started talking about a new film?
Blame the Company.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PMThis is more than enough.if this is not a joke from you...
I can't say more, really.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 02:30:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 02:30:53 PM
Then it looks like they're leaking this in the hopes it'll go viral. I doubt we'll get to see the full script, but I'd imagine they want fans to start campaigning on their behalf to get it made.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 16, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 16, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 02:12:21 PMQuote from: Drukathi on Jun 15, 2020, 10:28:00 AMQuote from: Janek on Jun 15, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
Not sure if trolling or not but ALIEN is a horror franchise.
Horror =/= dead end. Characters don't have to die or go crazy in the finale.
Alien - this is the perfect horror, which masterfully beat and change cliches. Alien 3 is another horror that USES cliches without imagination. If Ripley died at the end of Alien (as Ridley wished), we would not be here.
What cliches are you talking about? Would you have liked to see Ripley ride into the sunset with her new family? I believe Ripley's arc finishing the way it did in Alien 3 was true to the feel of the series.Quote from: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 09:53:23 AM
The only way Blomkamp's flick would get considered is if he had a hit movie, and that's unlikely until he makes one.
That is definitely the case.
Faceless characters there just to get killed off, unlikeable characters that we're eager to see killed off, the typical cliche of all horror cliches where the hero of the series is in more personal danger. Alien 3 is full of cliches. For example, why do we have 25 convicts? Because it will give us a higher body count.
Worked well for the most successful film in the franchise. Ripley went to sleep in two out of four movies. The two really successful and artistically strongest films in the franchise.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 02:40:32 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 02:22:37 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PMSounds like studio intrigue. RS woke up again when they started talking about a new film?
Blame the Company.
From what I know, Scott did not nix Hill's new script. From what I know he had nothing to do with it. Keep in mind that the producers' relationship with Fox went rocky decades ago, over the issue of profits made on ALIEN.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 16, 2020, 03:24:45 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 16, 2020, 03:24:45 PM
even if nothing ever comes of this, it'd be very interesting to see where they would have taken the story next
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: nchurch81 on Jun 16, 2020, 03:27:45 PM
Post by: nchurch81 on Jun 16, 2020, 03:27:45 PM
I wonder if Ripley and David meet in the script?
Or is the Alienverse and the Davidverse separate things?
Or is the Alienverse and the Davidverse separate things?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 16, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 16, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
Yo Sigourney...
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/CpgNjk2E54p7W/giphy.gif)
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/CpgNjk2E54p7W/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
Quote from: nchurch81 on Jun 16, 2020, 03:27:45 PM
I wonder if Ripley and David meet in the script?
Or is the Alienverse and the Davidverse separate things?
I wonder if Brandywine even gives a shit about David.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Adam802 on Jun 16, 2020, 03:46:26 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Jun 16, 2020, 03:46:26 PM
Hopefully this goes viral and gains traction like Blomkamp's did for a while. Really hope it takes place either after Alien 3 (with ripley still dead, if Weaver doesnt return) or is a "new Alien 3" taking place after Aliens if Weaver does return.
PLEASE no stupid prequel garbage at all, and no Alien Resurrection sequel for God's sake.
PLEASE no stupid prequel garbage at all, and no Alien Resurrection sequel for God's sake.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
I'd rather have more prequel stuff or a Resurrection sequel than something that overwrites Alien 3.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2020, 03:53:02 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2020, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 03:49:55 PMYeah. It's sad that we might not even get a finished story for the prequels, and get an unnecessary retcon instead. We'll see I guess.
I'd rather have more prequel stuff or a Resurrection sequel than something that overwrites Alien 3.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
Ridley Scott's Alien: Covenant sequel, Neil Blomkamp's Alien 5, Noah Hawley's proposed television series, and Walter Hill's Alien 5; all these projects will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Time to die.
Time to die.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 16, 2020, 04:05:14 PM
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 16, 2020, 04:05:14 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
I'd rather have more prequel stuff or a Resurrection sequel than something that overwrites Alien 3.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on Jun 16, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on Jun 16, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
I believe Sigourney about Ripley. If anything, Resurrection should be part of an experiment involving dream control as part of W-Y's bio-weapons division (using the comatose state the facehuggers induce their hosts into during embryo-implantation, maybe?) and the return of Bishop to connect it to Aliens and - obliquely - Alien3. But it should be an original lead female character, particularly if Sigourney isn't up to return to Ripley.
*Drools*
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 11, 2020, 08:51:18 PM
Yup. Whether you like it or not, it's true.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 11, 2020, 05:56:23 PM
I think I'm more impressed Hill is wanting to get involved again and did a nice beastly treatment. Honestly though, give me my soft reboot Studios/Disney!
How about this ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/eDqFR6g.jpg)
*Drools*
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 04:11:19 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
overwrites Alien 3.
I'm sure - Alien 3 discs and digital copies will not be overwritten in any way. You can watch them even after the retcon of the retcon.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2020, 04:23:05 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2020, 04:23:05 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 04:02:29 PM(https://i.imgur.com/Fy8DgAG.gif)
Ridley Scott's Alien: Covenant sequel, Neil Blomkamp's Alien 5, Noah Hawley's proposed television series, and Walter Hill's Alien 5; all these projects will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Time to die.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 04:26:32 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 16, 2020, 04:11:19 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
overwrites Alien 3.
I'm sure - Alien 3 discs and digital copies will not be overwritten in any way. You can watch them even after the retcon of the retcon.
Well of course. And I'm not violently opposed to Alien 3 being "rebooted" or whatever the proper term would be. I'd certainly watch it, and hopefully I'd even love it! I'm always down to see another filmmaker's take on this franchise.
I'd just prefer to see those efforts go into something else rather than an alternative third film. But that's just my preference, and I know it isn't one that everyone shares.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 16, 2020, 04:37:28 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 16, 2020, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 02:30:53 PM
Then it looks like they're leaking this in the hopes it'll go viral. I doubt we'll get to see the full script, but I'd imagine they want fans to start campaigning on their behalf to get it made.
Kinda what Blomkamp did, he released some concept art on his instagram after Fox was hemming and hawing over whether to go ahead with it. Few weeks later after a massive media storm it got greenlit only to be cancelled again several months later. :-\
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 02:40:32 PM
From what I know, Scott did not nix Hill's new script. From what I know he had nothing to do with it. Keep in mind that the producers' relationship with Fox went rocky decades ago, over the issue of profits made on ALIEN.
Do you know if they submitted this new treatment after the Disney takeover? New management and all that.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
I wonder if Brandywine even gives a shit about David.
Think about it for a moment, David Giler and Walter Hill...
...and who came up with the idea of making Ash an android in the first place?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 16, 2020, 04:37:28 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 02:40:32 PM
From what I know, Scott did not nix Hill's new script. From what I know he had nothing to do with it. Keep in mind that the producers' relationship with Fox went rocky decades ago, over the issue of profits made on ALIEN.
Do you know if they submitted this new treatment after the Disney takeover? New management and all that.
I don't know if Disney saw it. I only know that Fox refused to even look at it. Who knows - it could still be developed, but it seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 16, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 16, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
maybe it would be more realistic to hope for a graphic novel version of it
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 16, 2020, 05:04:57 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 16, 2020, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
I don't know if Disney saw it. I only know that Fox refused to even look at it. Who knows - it could still be developed, but it seems unlikely.
Mmm... I see the front page of the draft/treatment they leaked to us is dated 13 March 2020. So I guess they were still developing this up until quite recently. Maybe they are now courting the completely new management at 20th Century Studios under Disney? Don't think there are any of the old guard left now.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 16, 2020, 05:13:27 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 16, 2020, 05:13:27 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jun 16, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
maybe it would be more realistic to hope for a graphic novel version of it
Think that's our best bet, and I really hope it happens.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: D88M on Jun 16, 2020, 05:52:26 PM
Post by: D88M on Jun 16, 2020, 05:52:26 PM
Yes please, do one last movie with Ripley and the last one in Ridley Scott trilogy. No Blomkamp fan fiction non sense, no reboots/remakes, just make some good movies and then let the franchise rest for a while. And for the love of God, no disney meddling.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Jun 16, 2020, 06:07:53 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Jun 16, 2020, 06:07:53 PM
That would be wonderful if Ridley got to finish his trilogy and Hill/Giler got to round things off.
Wishful thinking though.
Wishful thinking though.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Capt.Dallas at Thedus on Jun 16, 2020, 06:25:25 PM
Post by: Capt.Dallas at Thedus on Jun 16, 2020, 06:25:25 PM
That is one way cool looking treatment,Hicks,almost makes me feel lucky:)Stay Frosty:)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Jun 16, 2020, 07:11:37 PM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Jun 16, 2020, 07:11:37 PM
I highly doubt this film will get made. If Disney was interested in it. We'd be hearing about this from an official press release by them. Not from an article on SyFy Wire.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 07:17:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 07:17:20 PM
Maybe Brandywine is hoping that another #ReleaseTheSnyderCut works for them, even if it's just for Hulu.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: marrerom on Jun 16, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
Post by: marrerom on Jun 16, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
Either make a straight up sequel to Resurrection or go home. I'm sick of people ignoring continuity so that can make "the true sequel" to Terminator 2 Aliens.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 16, 2020, 11:15:20 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 16, 2020, 11:15:20 PM
Alien 3 - It was all a dream! Time for a retcon of Alien 3. But we need Michael Biehn back as Hicks.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 12:48:24 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 12:48:24 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jun 16, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
Either make a straight up sequel to Resurrection or go home. I'm sick of people ignoring continuity so that can make "the true sequel" toTerminator 2Aliens.
At least, in the case of Terminator when they pulled this, nothing after T2 was worth anything. ;)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 17, 2020, 01:16:00 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 17, 2020, 01:16:00 AM
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Predalien39 on Jun 17, 2020, 02:50:04 AM
Post by: Predalien39 on Jun 17, 2020, 02:50:04 AM
I still want to see Blomkamp give it a go, ideally without Ripley though. Love her, but I agree, let her rest.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AM
Post by: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 12:48:24 AMQuote from: marrerom on Jun 16, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
Either make a straight up sequel to Resurrection or go home. I'm sick of people ignoring continuity so that can make "the true sequel" toTerminator 2Aliens.
At least, in the case of Terminator when they pulled this, nothing after T2 was worth anything. ;)
Eh, I maintain that T3 and Salvation are miles better then what when got with Genisys and Dark Fate. Look at the state of the Terminator series now. They kept trying to reset the series with sequels that ignored continuity, and now the franchise is dead like never before.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Richman678 on Jun 17, 2020, 03:15:28 AM
Post by: Richman678 on Jun 17, 2020, 03:15:28 AM
At the least they should hire oats studios for the special effects.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:39:58 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:39:58 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 12:48:24 AMQuote from: marrerom on Jun 16, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
Either make a straight up sequel to Resurrection or go home. I'm sick of people ignoring continuity so that can make "the true sequel" toTerminator 2Aliens.
At least, in the case of Terminator when they pulled this, nothing after T2 was worth anything. ;)
Eh, I maintain that T3 and Salvation are miles better then what when got with Genisys and Dark Fate. Look at the state of the Terminator series now. They kept trying to reset the series with sequels that ignored continuity, and now the franchise is dead like never before.
Dark Fate is the only one post-T2 that felt to me like an actual continuation of the themes of Cameron's two films. I quite liked the film.
Rise of the Machines, Salvation, and Genisys are nigh unwatchable to me. On part with the AVP films. Not a single one of the six proper Alien films have been as bad as any of those Terminator sequels, in my book.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: szkoki on Jun 17, 2020, 07:37:51 AM
Post by: szkoki on Jun 17, 2020, 07:37:51 AM
Glad most of us even despit the poor treatement of the Aliens characters Alien3 did justice to Ripley's character and closed her story with the xeno.
If they are implying with this dream thing that they want to retcon something ...bad idea to me.
I think a David focused 3rd Alien prequel would be great, Fassbender is one of the greates actors working alive, just give him a good script ffs...however Promi and Covi already undermined the whole story for me.
If they anyway want to continue with Ripley, just use Amanda. But give a bit better story than Isolation as looking for your mother as she might be alive is a false narrative as we already know that only goes one way.
If they are implying with this dream thing that they want to retcon something ...bad idea to me.
I think a David focused 3rd Alien prequel would be great, Fassbender is one of the greates actors working alive, just give him a good script ffs...however Promi and Covi already undermined the whole story for me.
If they anyway want to continue with Ripley, just use Amanda. But give a bit better story than Isolation as looking for your mother as she might be alive is a false narrative as we already know that only goes one way.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 07:42:57 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 07:42:57 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AM
Eh, I maintain that T3 and Salvation are miles better then what when got with Genisys and Dark Fate. Look at the state of the Terminator series now. They kept trying to reset the series with sequels that ignored continuity, and now the franchise is dead like never before.
What about Predator? This series of films keeps continuity! And the result is the same as with the Terminator! I want to say for sure - it doesn't matter whether continuity is supported or not. Endless retcons and reboots don't matter - only the quality of the films! And let's be honest - to make the film a quality higher than Alien 3 - the task is quite simple.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
Considering the reaction AR, AvP, AvPR and The Predator had, turns out it's not that simple to make something better than A3.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: COOL GUY. on Jun 17, 2020, 08:09:57 AM
Post by: COOL GUY. on Jun 17, 2020, 08:09:57 AM
Cool.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Jones The Cat on Jun 17, 2020, 08:37:48 AM
Post by: Jones The Cat on Jun 17, 2020, 08:37:48 AM
Agree, this would be great. A sequel to Covenant to finally connect the prequel series to Alien. Two or three sequels to the original franchise would be fantastic. There might be some good ideas to round off the classics in a cool and elegant way.
By the way, the official website of Brandywine Productions has on their landing page a mysterious V. What could this mean?
https://brandywineprod.com/
By the way, the official website of Brandywine Productions has on their landing page a mysterious V. What could this mean?
https://brandywineprod.com/
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 09:04:15 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
Considering the reaction AR, AvP, AvPR and The Predator had, turns out it's not that simple to make something better than A3.
The reaction is the same. The problem is that Alien 3 was the first. He broke the legs of the franchise. Everything else is just consequences + loss of faith in the franchise.
And I do not think that you can put all these films in one row. Each has advantages and disadvantages. But basically they have Alien 3 quality level. Without development hell, but with the same terrible and poor writing and plot.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 17, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 17, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: szkoki on Jun 17, 2020, 10:41:11 AM
Post by: szkoki on Jun 17, 2020, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 07:42:57 AMQuote from: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AM
Eh, I maintain that T3 and Salvation are miles better then what when got with Genisys and Dark Fate. Look at the state of the Terminator series now. They kept trying to reset the series with sequels that ignored continuity, and now the franchise is dead like never before.
What about Predator? This series of films keeps continuity! And the result is the same as with the Terminator! I want to say for sure - it doesn't matter whether continuity is supported or not. Endless retcons and reboots don't matter - only the quality of the films! And let's be honest - to make the film a quality higher than Alien 3 - the task is quite simple.
Simple? We havent had such competent movie with such character since that. As for a retcon reboot Sigourney is getting old for an action horror.... let her be, shes is 70.
I would rather retcon Alien Covenant and even Prometheus and let everything be Shaws dream and start of fresh then if we want to go this soap opera style. The cast and crew had potential, the only thing Alien movies lacking is a good writer nowdays.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 09:04:15 AMIt's very obviously not.
The reaction is the same.
Alien3 Rotten Tomatoes is 44% (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien3), The Predator is 32% (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_predator), AvPR is 12% (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avp2).
Alien3 IMDb is 6.5/10 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/), The Predator is 5.2/10 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3829266/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1), AvPR is 4.7 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0).
People clearly think later movies were worse than Alien 3.
Even if you move outside of the franchise, saying "It's easier to do better than Alien3" implies Alien3 is one of the worst movies ever made, which again, is obviously not true.
Just because they may all have problems doesn't mean they're all equally bad.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 11:34:37 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
Alien3 Rotten Tomatoes is 44% (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien3)
Oh well! Alien 3 is definitely the gold standard of the series, which deserves to be part of the canon.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 10:48:30 AMAR - 55% Rotten. 6,2 - imdb. Yeah. You can say - "It's obviously not". Without "very".
It's very obviously not.
And no doubt this film is much better than Prometheus (73% rt, 7 - imdb) and Covenant (65% rt, 6.4 imdb).
Don't worry. I understand why many people begin to appreciate him:
1) Because Fincher! This is the stupidest argument I have ever seen.
2) Because it maintains the serious tone and style of the Alien/Aliens.
But all this will not cancel the fact that Alien 3 crippled the entire further franchise.
Alien 3 still in the mediocrity group - yes.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 17, 2020, 12:27:10 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 17, 2020, 12:27:10 PM
I put Prommy, AC, and A3 on a similar level of enjoyment and quality. AvP, AvPR, and The Predator are much much worse.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2020, 12:53:25 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2020, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
I'd rather have more prequel stuff or a Resurrection sequel than something that overwrites Alien 3.
Given Resurrection doesn't really feature Ripley and that the stage Resurrection set isn't particularly interesting, what would really be the point of continuing from there? That Ripley, for whatever weirdness was going on with her biology, was pretty much content with herself at the end of Resurrection. What little there was in terms of character was already fulfilled in Resurrection.
I'd rather they didn't do anything with Ripley at all, and i'd really like it if they got away from exploring destroying the literal mythos of the Alien by explaining exactly where and when it happened. It doesn't matter where and when it happened. It happened out there in space a long time ago and the result was the worst nightmares of a great many innocent people. Isn't that enough?
If they do make another prequel I want them to bait and switch. "Oh, you thought you knew? HAHAHA. Not. The Alien is so much older, so much further from your understanding then you could ever hope to imagine."
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 15, 2020, 08:16:37 PM
I love Aliens, I really do. But, God, watching it's ending now is like forceably eating sugar spoon by spoon.
"MOMMY", "Can we dream now ?"
f**k off Newt
What is with the hatred for Newt? Jesus Christ.
Quote from: szkoki on Jun 17, 2020, 07:37:51 AM
If they anyway want to continue with Ripley, just use Amanda. But give a bit better story than Isolation as looking for your mother as she might be alive is a false narrative as we already know that only goes one way.
Well, no. There were three posibilities there.
1. Amanda won't find anything.
2. Amanda finds Ripley and the series is dramatically retconned, or the games end up in their own continuity.
3. Amanda finds her mother's message.
The game even threatens us early on with the possibility that Amanda won't find anything when she discovers the flight recorder and it's wiped.
The worst thing Covenant did to the Alien was make it feel like a sideshow in its own film series. That, and basically terrestrialisng the Alien. Prometheus and Covenant are trying to bring it all home and in the worst way possible.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 02:35:34 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 02:35:34 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2020, 12:53:25 PM
The worst thing Covenant did to the Alien was make it feel like a sideshow in its own film series. That, and basically terrestrialisng the Alien. Prometheus and Covenant are trying to bring it all home and in the worst way possible.
At this moment, I always draw analogies with the SW prequel trilogy. But in the end the prequel trilogy ended with the grand Revenge of the Sith.
One difference is that Lucas loved the Jedi and the Sith. And it does not seem that Ridley loves xenomorphs or other attributes of the classic Alien.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:02:16 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:02:16 PM
Lucas may have "loved" the Jedi, but he also spent the entire Prequel trilogy highlighting the flaws of the Jedi Order and deconstructing them (not unlike TLJ, really) to tell a story that enhances Anakin's downfall and highlights that the things that Luke did right, he did because he transcended the failures of the old Order.
And here, Ridley is deconstructing the capital-A Alien to tell a story that better serves his David character, while also using David's, erm, tendencies, as a reflection of what we know, love, and fear from the classic films.
There's definitely love on both parts, but love alone isn't enough. Love alone gives you The Rise of Skywalker or Alien vs Predator. There needs to be some element of reinterpretation to put a new stamp on the material, to make a new story with new context worth telling. Covenant excels at that, in my book.
And here, Ridley is deconstructing the capital-A Alien to tell a story that better serves his David character, while also using David's, erm, tendencies, as a reflection of what we know, love, and fear from the classic films.
There's definitely love on both parts, but love alone isn't enough. Love alone gives you The Rise of Skywalker or Alien vs Predator. There needs to be some element of reinterpretation to put a new stamp on the material, to make a new story with new context worth telling. Covenant excels at that, in my book.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
A dream within a dream? So take out aliens and alien 3. Go back to the beginning.
The dreams started when ASH beat her into unconciousness. Now, he stares at her in her cryotube, as the company arrives onboard the nostromo, several months later.
He succeeded.
The dreams started when ASH beat her into unconciousness. Now, he stares at her in her cryotube, as the company arrives onboard the nostromo, several months later.
He succeeded.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
A dream within a dream? So take out aliens and alien 3. Go back to the beginning.
The dreams started when ASH beat her into unconciousness. Now, he stares at her in her cryotube, as the company arrives onboard the nostromo, several months later.
He succeeded.
If we're gonna tell a story like that, we might as well just pick up from Covenant. :D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
Can't. Daniel's is just so....ugh.
He had a good idea, just bad placement.
He had a good idea, just bad placement.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:02:16 PM
Lucas may have "loved" the Jedi, but he also spent the entire Prequel trilogy highlighting the flaws of the Jedi Order and deconstructing them (not unlike TLJ, really) to tell a story that enhances Anakin's downfall and highlights that the things that Luke did right, he did because he transcended the failures of the old Order.
And here, Ridley is deconstructing the capital-A Alien to tell a story that better serves his David character, while also using David's, erm, tendencies, as a reflection of what we know, love, and fear from the classic films.my book.
No, I'm talking not in the context of the plot, but in the concept. Lucas loves the concepts of the Jedi and Sith as force and lightsaber users. And it seems that Ridley despises yet another film about space parasites - "they want #$@$ aliens - i give them #$@$ aliens!"
Just imagine: they want #$@$ jedi - i give them #$@$ jedi! It's imposible!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:20:09 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:06 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 03:02:16 PM
Lucas may have "loved" the Jedi, but he also spent the entire Prequel trilogy highlighting the flaws of the Jedi Order and deconstructing them (not unlike TLJ, really) to tell a story that enhances Anakin's downfall and highlights that the things that Luke did right, he did because he transcended the failures of the old Order.
And here, Ridley is deconstructing the capital-A Alien to tell a story that better serves his David character, while also using David's, erm, tendencies, as a reflection of what we know, love, and fear from the classic films.my book.
No, I'm talking not in the context of the plot, but in the concept. Lucas loves the concepts of the Jedi and Sith as force and lightsaber users. And it seems that Ridley despises yet another film about space parasites - "they want #$@$ aliens - i give them #$@$ aliens!"
Just imagine: they want #$@$ jedi - i give them #$@$ jedi! It's imposible!
Plot and concept are intricately intertwined though. Lucas got a lot of shit for not making his movies in the style of the OT, but spent the trilogy gradually shifting more in that direction design-wise. Ridley is doing some very similar things, in terms of the Alien's design.
Lucas has no specific love for lightsabers. Hell, he only ever calls them laser swords in conversation. He played up those elements in the prequels to showcase the failures of the Jedi of that era, when really, the most pure "Jedi" thing to ever happen in Lucas' six Star Wars films is Luke throwing his lightsaber aside while confronting his father and stating the he will not fight.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 17, 2020, 03:46:07 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 17, 2020, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
Can't. Daniel's is just so....ugh.
This, unfortunately.
Noomi Rapace...
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/769399542986746080/63FB24F252EBBCE3ADC7158716321B216CC6DF1A/)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 17, 2020, 04:20:56 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 17, 2020, 04:20:56 PM
I really liked Shaw but.. I like David more so ehh.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 04:32:44 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 07:42:57 AMQuote from: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AM
Eh, I maintain that T3 and Salvation are miles better then what when got with Genisys and Dark Fate. Look at the state of the Terminator series now. They kept trying to reset the series with sequels that ignored continuity, and now the franchise is dead like never before.
What about Predator? This series of films keeps continuity! And the result is the same as with the Terminator! I want to say for sure - it doesn't matter whether continuity is supported or not. Endless retcons and reboots don't matter - only the quality of the films! And let's be honest - to make the film a quality higher than Alien 3 - the task is quite simple.
The Predator series is very different from both Alien and Terminator. It has no real connective tissue between the films except for the creature and no overarching narrative. On the other hand, the Terminator and Alien films were invested in the characters of John Conner and Ripley and the growth they went through. Consistent world building matters. Continuity matters. Without these things audiences can't get attached to the characters or invested in the stories. In the case of Terminator, by retconning half the series, and killing John Connor, they completely alienated the audience.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 17, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 17, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
Can't. Daniel's is just so....ugh.
He had a good idea, just bad placement.
Scott's first choice for the role was originally Rebecca Ferguson (who wasn't available at the time). Would have been interesting to see how she would have approached the character.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: LV-12986 on Jun 17, 2020, 04:45:30 PM
Post by: LV-12986 on Jun 17, 2020, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 17, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
A dream within a dream? So take out aliens and alien 3. Go back to the beginning.
The dreams started when ASH beat her into unconciousness. Now, he stares at her in her cryotube, as the company arrives onboard the nostromo, several months later.
I'm all for a Blomkamp concept art based retcon but failing that I like the sound of this
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Kane's other son on Jun 17, 2020, 04:47:51 PM
Post by: Kane's other son on Jun 17, 2020, 04:47:51 PM
I wouldn't take the cover page quotations so literally. After all, the original script had "'We live as we dream. Alone" on its first page and it had nothing to do with the plot.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 17, 2020, 09:05:23 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 17, 2020, 09:05:23 PM
I don't have this, wish I did. All I have left to cover on my show AVP-wise is the Briggs script. I done run out of Alien and Predator stuff. :laugh:
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 17, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 17, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
i would hope that this teasing would lead to learning a bit more, if it's even just a few pages
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 17, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 17, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2020, 12:48:24 AMQuote from: marrerom on Jun 16, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
Either make a straight up sequel to Resurrection or go home. I'm sick of people ignoring continuity so that can make "the true sequel" toTerminator 2Aliens.
At least, in the case of Terminator when they pulled this, nothing after T2 was worth anything. ;)
Eh, I maintain that T3 and Salvation are miles better then what when got with Genisys and Dark Fate. Look at the state of the Terminator series now. They kept trying to reset the series with sequels that ignored continuity, and now the franchise is dead like never before.
It's a time travel series, they could actually find a way to make all those realities work as possible branches of time navigated by technology.
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 17, 2020, 07:42:57 AMQuote from: marrerom on Jun 17, 2020, 03:13:32 AM
Eh, I maintain that T3 and Salvation are miles better then what when got with Genisys and Dark Fate. Look at the state of the Terminator series now. They kept trying to reset the series with sequels that ignored continuity, and now the franchise is dead like never before.
What about Predator? This series of films keeps continuity! And the result is the same as with the Terminator! I want to say for sure - it doesn't matter whether continuity is supported or not. Endless retcons and reboots don't matter - only the quality of the films! And let's be honest - to make the film a quality higher than Alien 3 - the task is quite simple.
Well said. Retcon of not, what matters is film quality.
This is exciting. I will say that.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 18, 2020, 06:55:19 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 18, 2020, 06:55:19 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 17, 2020, 09:05:23 PM
I don't have this, wish I did. All I have left to cover on my show AVP-wise is the Briggs script. I done run out of Alien and Predator stuff. :laugh:
I bet this and the Blomkamp's Alien V must be like the Lost Ark of Alien scripts. :o
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 18, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
Post by: MarineHicks023 on Jun 18, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
I am sure Alien V is gonna happen pretty soon. Disney got 20th-century fox in order to make money, not to keep it on the shelf. This means Weaver can bring more money if she is in the film than a random female protagonist.
In other words, my guess is the will do what Sigourney says in order to make her star in the movie. And all of this gonna happen really soon.
In other words, my guess is the will do what Sigourney says in order to make her star in the movie. And all of this gonna happen really soon.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 18, 2020, 11:04:27 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 18, 2020, 11:04:27 AM
Well, in the last month we have received a lot of Alien vibes. Though for different movies, but I'm sure that the studios are now specifically starting to make a hype.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Janek on Jun 18, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
Post by: Janek on Jun 18, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
Would love to see our big chap on the big screen again.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 18, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 18, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
I love Alien 3 and have nostalgia for Resurrection, but I admit it's a little enticing to render them hyper-sleep dreams to fix:
-the change in design of the Sulaco and cryo tubes
-the unexplained Sulaco egg we've been arguing about for 28 years
-Resurrection's overall weirdness in general
-the fact that most EU is hard to justify after General Perez's comments
I also just want this IP to be popular and successful again. If bringing Ripley back for a colonial marine fan-service wankfest is what it takes, maybe it's needed. It also seems like the path Disney would most likely want to take. But unless Hill or Blomkamp have some unique, weird, bold ideas wrapped up in their pitches, this would feel like selling out.
Ridley's path feels bold and new. I'd rather continue with that.
-the change in design of the Sulaco and cryo tubes
-the unexplained Sulaco egg we've been arguing about for 28 years
-Resurrection's overall weirdness in general
-the fact that most EU is hard to justify after General Perez's comments
I also just want this IP to be popular and successful again. If bringing Ripley back for a colonial marine fan-service wankfest is what it takes, maybe it's needed. It also seems like the path Disney would most likely want to take. But unless Hill or Blomkamp have some unique, weird, bold ideas wrapped up in their pitches, this would feel like selling out.
Ridley's path feels bold and new. I'd rather continue with that.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 18, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 18, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
If everything after Alien was a dream Ripley could be reunited with Amanda ;D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 18, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 18, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: MaxDuNord on Jun 18, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
If everything after Alien was a dream Ripley could be reunited with Amanda ;D
If everything after Alien was a dream, then Amanda would also be a dream.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: marrerom on Jun 18, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
Post by: marrerom on Jun 18, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
I remember reading somewhere that the planned sequels to Alien Resurrection involved a space jockey invasion of earth using the Alien's as weapons, followed by a earth counter attack on the space jockey home world, and that Ripley #8's connection to the Alien's would be a key factor in humanity's eventual victory. Those plans have obviously been shelved but I admit that i would love to something similar get made now. Especially in light of how Prometheus and Covenant expanded mythology of the space jockey.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 18, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
Post by: MaxDuNord on Jun 18, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Jun 18, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
I remember reading somewhere that the planned sequels to Alien Resurrection involved a space jockey invasion of earth using the Alien's as weapons, followed by a earth counter attack on the space jockey home world, and that Ripley #8's connection to the Alien's would be a key factor in humanity's eventual victory. Those plans have obviously been shelved but I admit that i would love to something similar get made now. Especially in light of how Prometheus and Covenant expanded mythology of the space jockey.
Indeed. This is a quite good summary: https://youtu.be/0fGYNUbQUlw
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Hudson on Jun 18, 2020, 07:22:33 PM
Post by: Hudson on Jun 18, 2020, 07:22:33 PM
I think this is cool news. I lean towards wanting a sequel to AR rather than retconning, because that just contributes to everything getting convoluted. I'm always a fan of more Ripley.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: razeak on Jun 18, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
Post by: razeak on Jun 18, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
It's not "ignoring films" that is causing bad T2 sequels. It's just bad writing. Dark Fate was the best sequel to T2. IMO. Salvation didn't have a villain, and didn't know what to do with Marcus or John.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jun 18, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
Dark Fate was the best sequel to T2.
That's not saying much.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 18, 2020, 08:33:33 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 18, 2020, 08:33:33 PM
There were no sequels to T2...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:46:10 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:46:10 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jun 18, 2020, 08:33:33 PM
There were no sequels to T2...
Now you're speaking my language!
My Terminator ending: :)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 18, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 18, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
That ending is so shit, though. :laugh:
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 18, 2020, 11:01:43 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 18, 2020, 11:01:43 PM
Is it the wrinkles?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 18, 2020, 11:06:19 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 18, 2020, 11:06:19 PM
do we think her make up is better or worse than guy pierce's weyland make up?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 18, 2020, 11:10:49 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 18, 2020, 11:10:49 PM
It's a combo of the makeup, John being a Senator, and the overly saccharine tone. Cameron was right to cut it in favor of the lines on the highway.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 18, 2020, 11:13:13 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 18, 2020, 11:13:13 PM
They should've focused in on the background at the end, as a groundskeeper picking up a dog turd, slowly turns to reveal himself as a terminator.
Dun dun - dun dun dun.
Dun dun - dun dun dun.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 18, 2020, 11:54:00 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 18, 2020, 11:54:00 PM
the turdinator
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Jun 19, 2020, 12:12:38 AM
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Jun 19, 2020, 12:12:38 AM
There were no ADI Predators
I thought Michael Bien was gonna be Grace's father
I thought Michael Bien was gonna be Grace's father
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Lavatar on Jun 19, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
Post by: Lavatar on Jun 19, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
I prefer this over another prequel that demystifies the alien and probably a commercial failure. At least Ripley's return could revive the franchise, and then the renewed success will incite other offshoots a la Mandalorian.
I also hope the dream part is not a recton, attempts to erase the past could prove divisive they should instead focus on moving forwards. The dream element is intriguing, Ripley 8 could use dreams to regain full consciousness of her past self (she couldn't remember things properly in Resurrection) and then you have old Ripley personality most people want, but with alien DNA, which could bring inner conflict and character development, and more plot opportunities. There's still some mileage left in the Ripley character, and retconning could take away from that.
And if people really want to see Hicks and Newt again they could bring them back in dreams, or maybe even physically using another sci-fi element, then they can at least give them some closure.
I also hope the dream part is not a recton, attempts to erase the past could prove divisive they should instead focus on moving forwards. The dream element is intriguing, Ripley 8 could use dreams to regain full consciousness of her past self (she couldn't remember things properly in Resurrection) and then you have old Ripley personality most people want, but with alien DNA, which could bring inner conflict and character development, and more plot opportunities. There's still some mileage left in the Ripley character, and retconning could take away from that.
And if people really want to see Hicks and Newt again they could bring them back in dreams, or maybe even physically using another sci-fi element, then they can at least give them some closure.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 19, 2020, 12:49:39 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 19, 2020, 12:49:39 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jun 18, 2020, 11:06:19 PM
do we think her make up is better or worse than guy pierce's weyland make up?
Aw come on. It's no contest. Weyland is worse.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienanthology/images/0/0e/Peter_Weyland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121006110012)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 19, 2020, 03:17:40 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 19, 2020, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 19, 2020, 12:49:39 PMQuote from: j0nesy on Jun 18, 2020, 11:06:19 PM
do we think her make up is better or worse than guy pierce's weyland make up?
Aw come on. It's no contest. Weyland is worse.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienanthology/images/0/0e/Peter_Weyland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121006110012
They made him too old. Likie Johnny Knoxville's bad grandpa. He looks grotesque and rubbery. Look at Marlon Brando in The Godfather, make-up by Dick Smith. Masterful!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
The intention is that Peter Weyland is pretty well over 100, right?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 19, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 19, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
The intention is that Peter Weyland is pretty well over 100, right?
I get the intention; what they did was not successful imo.
(According to the Weyland Industries Timeline he was born 1990)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 04:11:45 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 04:11:45 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 19, 2020, 03:43:37 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
The intention is that Peter Weyland is pretty well over 100, right?
I get the intention; what they did was not successful imo.
(According to the Weyland Industries Timeline he was born 1990)
Oh, I'm not disagreeing about the execution of the effect at all. I was more so asking to clarify their intentions, myself. :D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 19, 2020, 07:16:30 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 19, 2020, 07:16:30 PM
I thought he looked fine
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 19, 2020, 08:05:10 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 19, 2020, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 19, 2020, 07:16:30 PMAgreed.
I thought he looked fine
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 19, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 19, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
I thought the makeup was obvious and bit fake but it really doesn't bother me much.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 19, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 19, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7ER1qFq.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/ukn18oK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ukn18oK.jpg)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 08:56:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2020, 08:56:41 PM
Some shots he looked great to me. Others, not so much. I think the biggest disconnect to me, as of the time of Prometheus' release, was not seeing a young Weyland in the film to justify the use of Pearce as an old man. Covenant smoothed that out for me to some degree.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 19, 2020, 09:00:05 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 19, 2020, 09:00:05 PM
Yeah. There are some shots when it doesn't look so fake.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: irn on Jun 19, 2020, 11:28:24 PM
Post by: irn on Jun 19, 2020, 11:28:24 PM
I'd love there to be a follow up to Alien 3, but it doesn't need Ripley. Her story arc ended perfectly in 3. Resurrection is set so far in the future that it doesn't matter all that much what you do before it. It was like an offshoot film that you could take it or leave from canon as you saw fit. Resurrection didn't affect anything really, and I don't think it needs a sequel.
I'd take something like Sigourney playing an older 'Ripley' who is actually secretly an android used to fake the LV-426 mission returning and saying everything is hunky dory to investors and that they should send more colonists to check out a specific grid reference... Probably a bit convoluted but I'll fight any attempts to retcon Alien 3 from "Alien films MUST HAVE Ripley" fanatics!
I'd take something like Sigourney playing an older 'Ripley' who is actually secretly an android used to fake the LV-426 mission returning and saying everything is hunky dory to investors and that they should send more colonists to check out a specific grid reference... Probably a bit convoluted but I'll fight any attempts to retcon Alien 3 from "Alien films MUST HAVE Ripley" fanatics!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 20, 2020, 06:04:49 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 20, 2020, 06:04:49 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 19, 2020, 08:51:05 PM:D(https://i.imgur.com/7ER1qFq.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/ukn18oK.jpg)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 20, 2020, 08:20:26 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 20, 2020, 08:20:26 AM
Lol complaints about the xeno being terrestrialized now :D It always was just by virtue of being parasites compatible with earth mammals, they're still wholly Other/shoggoths at their root, just sexualised. ;D 8)
As for all this, yeah I don't know, I much prefer something really weird, provocative and bold, or have a showdown with Ripz and David, that'd be neat. ;D
As for all this, yeah I don't know, I much prefer something really weird, provocative and bold, or have a showdown with Ripz and David, that'd be neat. ;D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 21, 2020, 12:28:17 PM
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 21, 2020, 12:28:17 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jun 20, 2020, 08:20:26 AM
As for all this, yeah I don't know, I much prefer something really weird, provocative and bold, or have a showdown with Ripz and David, that'd be neat. ;D
That could be solved with a Rap Battle!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on Jun 22, 2020, 08:24:38 PM
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on Jun 22, 2020, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: irn on Jun 19, 2020, 11:28:24 PMThat's actually not a bad idea. Very "Aliens: Earth War" of you.
I'd take something like Sigourney playing an older 'Ripley' who is actually secretly an android used to fake the LV-426 mission returning and saying everything is hunky dory to investors and that they should send more colonists to check out a specific grid reference.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 25, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 25, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
Quote from: D. Compton Ambrose on Jun 22, 2020, 08:24:38 PMQuote from: irn on Jun 19, 2020, 11:28:24 PMThat's actually not a bad idea. Very "Aliens: Earth War" of you.
I'd take something like Sigourney playing an older 'Ripley' who is actually secretly an android used to fake the LV-426 mission returning and saying everything is hunky dory to investors and that they should send more colonists to check out a specific grid reference.
In truth, Prometheus opened the door to the "it was a dream" path when it introduced the implanted hyperspace dreams technology that David "watched." Very easy to take that and add to it that David or WY is keeping Ripley alive in hypersleep while implanting dreams and maybe using her body or something. The film is a bit unclear but in the 'making of' they do explain that these dreams David is watching are implanted as a way to keep the brain functioning or something like that. It always stuck out like a sore thumb to me, and suddenly I am wondering if the studio didn't ask for that to be included so they could open the door for an option like this. I personally don't like the idea of any sequels being discounted as dreams, but the technology exists in Prometheus, to easily elaborate upon.
https://scifiinterfaces.com/2012/11/21/neuro-visor/ (https://scifiinterfaces.com/2012/11/21/neuro-visor/)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 25, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 25, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
Shaw's dreams in Prometheus are things that actually happened.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 26, 2020, 12:21:53 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 26, 2020, 12:21:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 25, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
Shaw's dreams in Prometheus are things that actually happened.
Yes but the dreams were implanted to keep her brain functioning. Thats all you need to elaborate on skippy.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 26, 2020, 12:32:27 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 26, 2020, 12:32:27 AM
They were recorded from her dreams then played back - according to Ridley and not even properly established in the film.
What would be the purpose of creating two detailed sets of events that never happened?
What would be the purpose of creating two detailed sets of events that never happened?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 26, 2020, 12:38:59 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 26, 2020, 12:38:59 AM
I agree, there is no purpose to the dream-style retcon. Either do the full retcon or don't bother. There is no try.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Stitch on Jun 26, 2020, 09:14:58 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jun 26, 2020, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 26, 2020, 12:21:53 AMEr, what? Where was that ever said? ???Quote from: SM on Jun 25, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
Shaw's dreams in Prometheus are things that actually happened.
Yes but the dreams were implanted to keep her brain functioning. Thats all you need to elaborate on skippy.
I was always under the impression that Shaw's dreams were happening in real time and it was just David spying on her psyche.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 26, 2020, 10:29:24 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 26, 2020, 10:29:24 PM
And so it begins.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 26, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 26, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Canon war?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2020, 11:50:46 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2020, 11:50:46 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Jun 26, 2020, 09:14:58 PM
I was always under the impression that Shaw's dreams were happening in real time and it was just David spying on her psyche.
That was actually my read on the scene as well.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Jun 27, 2020, 12:46:29 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 27, 2020, 12:46:29 AM
"They say most of your brain shuts down in cryosleep.
All but the primitive side...the animal side"
All but the primitive side...the animal side"
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 27, 2020, 12:57:18 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 27, 2020, 12:57:18 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2020, 11:50:46 PMQuote from: Stitch on Jun 26, 2020, 09:14:58 PM
I was always under the impression that Shaw's dreams were happening in real time and it was just David spying on her psyche.
That was actually my read on the scene as well.
Same
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 27, 2020, 12:46:29 AM
"They say most of your brain shuts down in cryosleep.
All but the primitive side...the animal side"
Love that flick
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigCountry on Jun 27, 2020, 10:27:07 AM
Post by: BigCountry on Jun 27, 2020, 10:27:07 AM
send the marines or another crew to lv426 , revel that the egg shit is still there .Thats a way to reboot the franchise .Been saying this for years . they did it in Alien : CM
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
Aliens: Colonial Marines is hardly indicative of the best way to reboot the franchise. :D
I much prefer the idea that the Derelict was lost when the atmosphere processor exploded. Ripley and company wouldn't have just left LV-426 if it was out of range of the explosion. And, assuming Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection still count in this hypothetical reboot, Weyland-Yutani (and, eventually, the USM) putting all their stock in Ripley's embryo would be pretty silly if they know that there's just a whole stash of eggs on LV-426.
I much prefer the idea that the Derelict was lost when the atmosphere processor exploded. Ripley and company wouldn't have just left LV-426 if it was out of range of the explosion. And, assuming Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection still count in this hypothetical reboot, Weyland-Yutani (and, eventually, the USM) putting all their stock in Ripley's embryo would be pretty silly if they know that there's just a whole stash of eggs on LV-426.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 27, 2020, 05:39:03 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 27, 2020, 05:39:03 PM
Honestly, it shouldn't be that hard to reintroduce the alien without the derelict. Just have whoever the characters are in the new movie find a hidden cache of eggs elsewhere.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 05:58:05 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 05:58:05 PM
Having a bunch of Aliens still out there weakens Ripley's sacrifice in Alien 3.
Plenty they can do with the black goo though... but that won't happen.
Plenty they can do with the black goo though... but that won't happen.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
At the moment, the LV-223 facility, David's specimen collection on Planet 4, and the Covenant are all viable sources floating out there to obtain Alien (or, in LV-223's case, pre-Alien) specimens. And with David having escaped on the Covenant, they can literally be anywhere in the galaxy now.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 06:21:24 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 06:21:24 PM
True, as for the Planet 4 eggs I don't think they would be viable for much longer, assuming the original eggs needed the mist to be preserved.
I feel like Ripley's sacrifice works much better with no Xenos being out there anymore. They can do anything between Alien and Aliens though
I feel like Ripley's sacrifice works much better with no Xenos being out there anymore. They can do anything between Alien and Aliens though
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 27, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 27, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 05:58:05 PM
Having a bunch of Aliens still out there weakens Ripley's sacrifice in Alien 3.
Plenty they can do with the black goo though... but that won't happen.
Does it though ? Before Resurrection there was no indication that Aliens as species are strictly bounded to LV-426 and Derelict. Ripley did what she could do to stop Company from getting Xenos
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Stitch on Jun 27, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jun 27, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 27, 2020, 12:46:29 AMNo wonder I'm still awake.
"They say most of your brain shuts down in cryosleep.
All but the primitive side...the animal side"
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 09:13:19 PM
Post by: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 08:32:06 PMYeah, this works for me. As long as Ripley's sacrifice is still meaningful. So I hope they don't ignore Alien 3 by still having WY obtain lots of Xenos and all that.
More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on Jun 27, 2020, 09:57:48 PM
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on Jun 27, 2020, 09:57:48 PM
Like a user said earlier, could easily pick up where David left off and showcase the method in which the xenomorphs become "biomechanized," so-to-speak, and add more context to the corporation's motives for wanting to "weaponize" them.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 28, 2020, 05:42:54 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 28, 2020, 05:42:54 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
Aliens: Colonial Marines is hardly indicative of the best way to reboot the franchise. :D
I much prefer the idea that the Derelict was lost when the atmosphere processor exploded. Ripley and company wouldn't have just left LV-426 if it was out of range of the explosion. And, assuming Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection still count in this hypothetical reboot, Weyland-Yutani (and, eventually, the USM) putting all their stock in Ripley's embryo would be pretty silly if they know that there's just a whole stash of eggs on LV-426.
And yet it is even more silly that they would build a station like this so close to the derelict. ::)
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 09:13:19 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 08:32:06 PMYeah, this works for me. As long as Ripley's sacrifice is still meaningful. So I hope they don't ignore Alien 3 by still having WY obtain lots of Xenos and all that.
More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
If we accept the Cold Forge as canon, then the company clearly has found the aliens elsewhere...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2020, 09:31:18 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2020, 09:31:18 AM
Alex White reckoned those specimens came from LV-426.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Gazz on Sep 13, 2020, 10:18:47 AM
Post by: Gazz on Sep 13, 2020, 10:18:47 AM
https://twitter.com/tprstly/status/1305069623604322304
Have no idea what this means. Seems an established futurist writer is teasing some connection to Alien V (maybe?). Could be just a freelance consultation on Brandywine's part or something.
Have no idea what this means. Seems an established futurist writer is teasing some connection to Alien V (maybe?). Could be just a freelance consultation on Brandywine's part or something.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 11:43:29 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 11:43:29 AM
Alien 3 fans - sweat profusely.
P.S.Alien: Vaccination :)
P.S.Alien: Vaccination :)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: judge death on Sep 13, 2020, 01:38:15 PM
Post by: judge death on Sep 13, 2020, 01:38:15 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 11:43:29 AMFeeling pretty safe as its Hill writing the script, and he is one of the guys who saved alien 3, so I doubt he will retcon it out of existance. But I can be wrong.
Alien 3 fans - sweat profusely.
P.S.Alien: Vaccination :)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2020, 02:07:43 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2020, 02:07:43 PM
Wait what now???
I very much doubt any of this, and I'm sure it is all conjecture on that guy's part. I don't know who he is and he doesn't seem to have any relation to any of this. But now there's a small part of me almost wondering if Ridley has some alternate Aliens sequel written by Walter Hill that also uses continues David's up his sleeve. :D
I very much doubt any of this, and I'm sure it is all conjecture on that guy's part. I don't know who he is and he doesn't seem to have any relation to any of this. But now there's a small part of me almost wondering if Ridley has some alternate Aliens sequel written by Walter Hill that also uses continues David's up his sleeve. :D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 13, 2020, 03:44:20 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 13, 2020, 03:44:20 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2020, 02:07:43 PM
But now there's a small part of me almost wondering if Ridley has some alternate Aliens sequel written by Walter Hill that also uses continues David's up his sleeve. :D
He mentions Scott in the comments:
Quote from: Theo PriestleyNo, this is Scott's movie. Neill's was canned a long time ago.
https://twitter.com/tprstly/status/1305129784259862528 (https://twitter.com/tprstly/status/1305129784259862528)
Also some Alien Nostromo art on his page although this is clearly labelled "fan art" so I don't think it has any connection:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhyseJWX0AA8etl?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhysfpbXgAE_P2M?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhysiGuXYAARD8C?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhysjdWXYAESZJb?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
Yeah, definitely looks like he just stumbled upon the Brandywine page and, in light of Ridley making some comments in that recent RBW interview about another Alien film, mistakenly assumed they were the same project.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 13, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 13, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
Yeah, haven't found any connection between him and Scott Free or Brandywine yet.
Interestingly, he is followed by Alien Covenant concept artist Wayne Haag.
Interestingly, he is followed by Alien Covenant concept artist Wayne Haag.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Sep 13, 2020, 04:40:47 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Sep 13, 2020, 04:40:47 PM
Perhaps this is what Ridley was hinting at when he said the next movoe possibly wouldnt follow Prometheus and Covenant? Hill and Giler will still have some clout over the franchise if they choose to get more actively involved im sure.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
Post by: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
My pitch: Make a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection, in the same movie.
Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).
Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
My pitch: Make a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection, in the same movie.
Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).
Good point. It will also save us from the forced path of the "Alien prequel".
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 06:39:39 PM
Post by: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 06:05:44 PMQuote from: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
My pitch: Make a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection, in the same movie.
Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).
Good point. It will also save us from the forced path of the "Alien prequel".
To further what I said. David 8 is on "Planet Giger". Bring back the Space Jockeys. Convey that the Engineers stole their tech.
Have a circle of creator beings (one of which is the Jockey) who are styled differently but with a similar aesthetic like the Cenobites are in Hellraiser.
End both series in ONE movie.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 13, 2020, 07:57:42 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 13, 2020, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 06:05:44 PMQuote from: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
My pitch: Make a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection, in the same movie.
Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).
Good point. It will also save us from the forced path of the "Alien prequel".
There is no way to avoid the Golden Path.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 08:01:31 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 08:01:31 PM
I very much doubt Scott would be interested in Ripley 8 as a character.
BUT, with good writing a Ripley 8 vs David showdown would be fascinating.
Even though I would expect a V that tied in both the prequels and the weakest of the old movies together to be fairly bad without some hallelujah writing in it.
Could all be a pitch to gauge fan interest by Disney. Undercover marketing.
BUT, with good writing a Ripley 8 vs David showdown would be fascinating.
Even though I would expect a V that tied in both the prequels and the weakest of the old movies together to be fairly bad without some hallelujah writing in it.
Could all be a pitch to gauge fan interest by Disney. Undercover marketing.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Sep 13, 2020, 08:45:08 PM
Post by: Gentleman Death on Sep 13, 2020, 08:45:08 PM
Didn't Cameron say he was trying to work on something aliens related a year or so ago?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
Post by: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 08:01:31 PM
I very much doubt Scott would be interested in Ripley 8 as a character.
BUT, with good writing a Ripley 8 vs David showdown would be fascinating.
Even though I would expect a V that tied in both the prequels and the weakest of the old movies together to be fairly bad without some hallelujah writing in it.
Could all be a pitch to gauge fan interest by Disney. Undercover marketing.
Having Fassbender and Weaver go toe to toe in some acting sparring would be amazing.
Ultimately my ending would have them ruling in "hell" together. Both of them naked, wrapped up in one another, sitting in a Giger-esque throne room.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
Ripley 8 isnt a villian.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Huggs on Sep 13, 2020, 10:47:08 PM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 13, 2020, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
Ripley 8 isnt a villian.
Not yet.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2020, 02:33:54 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2020, 02:33:54 AM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Sep 13, 2020, 08:45:08 PM
Didn't Cameron say he was trying to work on something aliens related a year or so ago?
I say let the Cameron do his thing. If he actually cares enough about the series to want to participate in some way, I cannot see any downside to that. It can only be a box full of good inside.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2020, 02:36:43 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2020, 02:36:43 AM
Ripley 8... David 8... it's like poetry, it f**king rhymes.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 14, 2020, 02:51:29 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 14, 2020, 02:51:29 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2020, 02:33:54 AMQuote from: Gentleman Death on Sep 13, 2020, 08:45:08 PM
Didn't Cameron say he was trying to work on something aliens related a year or so ago?
I say let the Cameron do his thing. If he actually cares enough about the series to want to participate in some way, I cannot see any downside to that. It can only be a box full of good inside.
I don't know, most people seem to have not liked it when he returned to Terminator. :D
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 14, 2020, 03:39:28 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 14, 2020, 03:39:28 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 13, 2020, 10:47:08 PMQuote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
Ripley 8 isnt a villian.
Not yet.
I get Starcraft vibes from this.
(https://i.ibb.co/WyrRY9t/gif.gif)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 14, 2020, 03:41:11 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 14, 2020, 03:41:11 AM
Ripley 8, slowly decomposing/losing herself to the Alien DNA and mutating into something grotesque. An abomination that David sees as a blight on his perfect organism...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 14, 2020, 04:03:56 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 14, 2020, 04:03:56 AM
I would love her being able to communicate it with the Aliens.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Riddles isn't so passionate about the Alien
As me and you
Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2020, 02:36:43 AM
Ripley 8... David 8... it's like poetry, it f**king rhymes.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Riddles isn't so passionate about the Alien
As me and you
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 14, 2020, 04:12:11 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 14, 2020, 04:12:11 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 14, 2020, 04:03:56 AM
I would love her being able to communicate it with the Aliens.
Breathe on the nostrils of a horse and he'll be yours for life.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2020, 04:24:02 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2020, 04:24:02 AM
I'm imagining the scene from Solo where Han speaks Wookiee.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien ...
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 14, 2020, 09:56:50 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 14, 2020, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2020, 04:24:02 AM
I'm imagining the scene from Solo where Han speaks Wookiee.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o84sIQ7S5BLsvETIc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: judge death on Sep 16, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Post by: judge death on Sep 16, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Well the xenos are wiped out as they died on auriga so dunno how she would be able to talk to aliens.... But Im sure she will mutate as her alien dna do its thing, maybe she is the villlain and starts a new line of xenomorphs and she is their queen or something? :P
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Sep 16, 2020, 07:05:04 PM
Post by: Gentleman Death on Sep 16, 2020, 07:05:04 PM
Quote from: judge death on Sep 16, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Well the xenos are wiped out as they died on auriga so dunno how she would be able to talk to aliens.... But Im sure she will mutate as her alien dna do its thing, maybe she is the villlain and starts a new line of xenomorphs and she is their queen or something? :P
Or she ends up getting pregnant! How and what would the baby/alien be like...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: maddriver on Oct 08, 2020, 08:14:50 AM
Post by: maddriver on Oct 08, 2020, 08:14:50 AM
I for one always imagined that if there was going to be another way to get xeno specimens after Resurrection, it would be some spaceship finding a cocoon form of the queen from Aliens drifting in some remote region of space. The cocoon form (protective shell) could be a way for the queen to survive the vacuum of space, while also being in some state of hibernation. They take it aboard without first knowing what it is and bring it to a populated space (science) station.
Then somehow the queen is "unfrozen" and comes back to her original form and starts laying eggs and wreaking havok. Due to Ripley8's proximity and her telepathic abilities, she is dragged closer and closer to the location of the queen. Eventually her mind becomes twisted by the queen's presence and she might or might not turn on the human inhabitants, while also fighting the queen for supremacy.
By the end of it the queen is defeated, but Ripley8 is transformed, both physically and psihically and her former human allies have no choice but to bring her down, in a last ditch effort to rid the galaxy of the xeno presence forever. So you could then say that Ripley lived long enough to become the villain.
Then somehow the queen is "unfrozen" and comes back to her original form and starts laying eggs and wreaking havok. Due to Ripley8's proximity and her telepathic abilities, she is dragged closer and closer to the location of the queen. Eventually her mind becomes twisted by the queen's presence and she might or might not turn on the human inhabitants, while also fighting the queen for supremacy.
By the end of it the queen is defeated, but Ripley8 is transformed, both physically and psihically and her former human allies have no choice but to bring her down, in a last ditch effort to rid the galaxy of the xeno presence forever. So you could then say that Ripley lived long enough to become the villain.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 05, 2021, 12:51:17 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 05, 2021, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 16, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
I can confirm Hill's new script is real. It also, very likely, won't get made. Blame the Company. I can't say more, really.
Say more tho, post it anonymously or something.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Just fyi y'all not much to it unfortunately.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: judge death on Jun 02, 2021, 06:35:27 PM
Post by: judge death on Jun 02, 2021, 06:35:27 PM
I presume you somehow have found the script and read it?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2021, 07:14:30 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2021, 07:14:30 PM
I mean in terms of information.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 03, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 03, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
That would be something I love to get my hands on.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 10, 2021, 08:59:31 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 10, 2021, 08:59:31 PM
Quote from: El Pistolero on Jun 11, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Riplay died in Alien 3. She had a perfect story and a perfect Ending.
I think the best way to continue is a really good Sequel to Covenant.
I completely agree.
Ripley's sacrifice in Alien3 is diminished when she is brought back, a la Alien Resurrection.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Sep 02, 2022, 04:20:12 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Sep 02, 2022, 04:20:12 PM
https://www.joblo.com/alien-5-walter-hill/?fbclid=IwAR2CI-x1q6vwdKjgU3KUUEBgl3V4D0GkUYqRZ8ZYm8ARKzASVwNJA9l939E (https://www.joblo.com/alien-5-walter-hill/?fbclid=IwAR2CI-x1q6vwdKjgU3KUUEBgl3V4D0GkUYqRZ8ZYm8ARKzASVwNJA9l939E)
So Walter's claiming Disney has no interest in more Ripley.
So Walter's claiming Disney has no interest in more Ripley.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 02, 2022, 04:24:03 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 02, 2022, 04:24:03 PM
The relevant excerpt from the article:
Interesting. Would be curious to see what was in this treatment/draft, for sure. I do agree with moving on from Ripley, though.
What's also interesting is that his pitch predates Disney; I thought it came afterwards, but after going back and looking back at the timeframe Sigourney was talking about in the first post of this thread, yeah, this definitely would have been written before the acquisition fully went through. I guess Fox must have really been fielding Alien pitches before their acquisition, huh? This, Blomkamp's, Hawley's, and even Fede's pitch to Ridley Scott goes back to the Fox days.
Quote48 Hours was the only film of yours you ever directed a sequel to, but you produced all the Aliens films, one of the most important sci-fi franchises of all time. Sigourney Weaver is going to be in Venice this year too [with Paul Schrader film Master Gardener]. Any chance of you two getting together and planning a return of Ripley for Aliens 5?
We took a shot at that a couple of years back with Sigourney. But that was back when Aliens was still at Fox. The people at Disney, who now control Aliens, have expressed no interest in going down that road. I had an idea for a good story with the Ripley character and Sigourney. But I do hope to see her in Venice.
Interesting. Would be curious to see what was in this treatment/draft, for sure. I do agree with moving on from Ripley, though.
What's also interesting is that his pitch predates Disney; I thought it came afterwards, but after going back and looking back at the timeframe Sigourney was talking about in the first post of this thread, yeah, this definitely would have been written before the acquisition fully went through. I guess Fox must have really been fielding Alien pitches before their acquisition, huh? This, Blomkamp's, Hawley's, and even Fede's pitch to Ridley Scott goes back to the Fox days.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 02, 2022, 07:09:57 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 02, 2022, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Sep 02, 2022, 04:20:12 PMSo Walter's claiming Disney has no interest in more Ripley.
Good
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 02, 2022, 08:15:04 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 02, 2022, 08:15:04 PM
That's honestly good to hear.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Sep 02, 2022, 11:16:20 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Sep 02, 2022, 11:16:20 PM
Agreed. It's just nice to get clarification.
When we first heard about this pitch, I got the impression that Sigourney shot it down because she wasn't impressed with it. That may have happened as well, but it's good to know where Disney stands on the issue.
When we first heard about this pitch, I got the impression that Sigourney shot it down because she wasn't impressed with it. That may have happened as well, but it's good to know where Disney stands on the issue.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 02, 2022, 11:31:10 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 02, 2022, 11:31:10 PM
That's an improvement from how Fox was crowbarring Ripley connections into seemingly everything for a few years there.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 02, 2022, 11:46:37 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 02, 2022, 11:46:37 PM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Sep 02, 2022, 04:20:12 PMSo Walter's claiming Disney has no interest in more Ripley.
Wait, did Disney do something based? What timeline is this?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 02, 2022, 11:52:22 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 02, 2022, 11:52:22 PM
The same one where they hired Noah Hawley, tracks. 8)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 03, 2022, 12:01:19 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 03, 2022, 12:01:19 AM
>:(
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 04, 2022, 08:39:41 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 04, 2022, 08:39:41 AM
While I'd be very curious to learn more about Hill and Giler's pitch - you know me, I love my movie archaeology - and I'd love to see the Ripley 8 character explored more, I'm sure the pitch would be an alternate Alien 3 and I think Ripley should be laid to rest.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Master on Sep 04, 2022, 09:42:57 AM
Post by: Master on Sep 04, 2022, 09:42:57 AM
I'd love to see Sigourney one more time, but as Ripley 8. Not Ripley, not in alternative Alien3.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 04, 2022, 11:20:00 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 04, 2022, 11:20:00 AM
That might be nice but I am certainly not clamouring for it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 04, 2022, 12:25:55 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 04, 2022, 12:25:55 PM
I have mixed feelings on this, love the character and would be be open if she were to return in 1 or 2 last movies but that's it no more, didn't want to film series to suffer if centred on her constant inclusion if it feels out of place contrived and serve little point for the character. If she's to return treat it with poignance otherwise tell a new story set in that world with a different protagonist.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Sep 04, 2022, 02:03:16 PM
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Sep 04, 2022, 02:03:16 PM
Unless Weaver was onboard with it I think it's the right call. If she isn't going to be like Arnold and want to come back, if there's no enthusiasm for it or a story to tell then I'd say it's better to leave it be.
It'd be a big deal, Resurrection was 25 years ago. But unless they have something they specifically need her for, let it go. We know how she dies, we know about the clone, and the fanbase had a pretty mixed response to all of that. I'd say unless you're going for a reboot or a send off because of 3 and 4 I don't think it's worth it.
It'd be a big deal, Resurrection was 25 years ago. But unless they have something they specifically need her for, let it go. We know how she dies, we know about the clone, and the fanbase had a pretty mixed response to all of that. I'd say unless you're going for a reboot or a send off because of 3 and 4 I don't think it's worth it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 04, 2022, 03:10:29 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 04, 2022, 03:10:29 PM
Thinking about it, was this the only post-Covenant pitch for an Alien project that Ridley (seemingly) wasn't involved in at all? He was a producer on Blomkamp's film (for a while, at least, before the apparent falling out between the two), and through Scott Free he is producing both Hawley's show and Fede's film (and Fede's concept was even pitched to Ridley himself, originally).
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2022, 04:27:22 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2022, 04:27:22 PM
Fede Alvarez's Alien, now that's something I wanna see.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: razeak on Sep 04, 2022, 04:37:10 PM
Post by: razeak on Sep 04, 2022, 04:37:10 PM
I really dislike a big chunk of AR, but a Ripley 8 story isn't the worst idea ever now that the cat is out of the bag.
A prequel with Ripley in flight school like Maverick where she is a loose cannon.....hahaha, but she learns to be a by the book person by the end.
A prequel with Ripley in flight school like Maverick where she is a loose cannon.....hahaha, but she learns to be a by the book person by the end.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 04, 2022, 04:50:04 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 04, 2022, 04:50:04 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2022, 04:27:22 PMFede Alvarez's Alien, now that's something I wanna see.
Apparently 20th Century Studios has a panel at D23 next weekend; would love for this film to get some focus there. Would be neat to learn something about it.
Quote from: razeak on Sep 04, 2022, 04:37:10 PMI really dislike a big chunk of AR, but a Ripley 8 story isn't the worst idea ever now that the cat is out of the bag.
Resurrection really works for me on the level of a really great Dark Horse comic (sub excellent art with Darius Khondji's cinematography). It's a wild movie, and in a lot of ways tonally/stylistically incompatible with the three prior films, but even still, it lives and breathes the hypersexualized oddities at Alien's core. I think Joss Whedon's script has a lot of issues, but the core ideas work for me, and Jean-Pierre Jeunet's directing sells it wholesale. Can't help but have a real soft spot for the film.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 04, 2022, 05:58:30 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 04, 2022, 05:58:30 PM
No offence but that interview with Rex Pickett in Alien 3 and how unprofessional David Giler and Walter Hill we're approving subpar writing that has soured/spoilt my respect towards David n Walter and not enthusiastic if they write an Alien movie, because Dan O Bannon & Ronald Shusett did the original script before revisions, degrees of David & Walters contributions were minimised before approving the final draft, and James Cameron was the main conceptualist and writer for Aliens, they only should've been involved in a producing capacity.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2022, 06:32:13 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2022, 06:32:13 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 04, 2022, 04:50:04 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2022, 04:27:22 PMFede Alvarez's Alien, now that's something I wanna see.
Apparently 20th Century Studios has a panel at D23 next weekend; would love for this film to get some focus there. Would be neat to learn something about it.Quote from: razeak on Sep 04, 2022, 04:37:10 PMI really dislike a big chunk of AR, but a Ripley 8 story isn't the worst idea ever now that the cat is out of the bag.
Resurrection really works for me on the level of a really great Dark Horse comic (sub excellent art with Darius Khondji's cinematography). It's a wild movie, and in a lot of ways tonally/stylistically incompatible with the three prior films, but even still, it lives and breathes the hypersexualized oddities at Alien's core. I think Joss Whedon's script has a lot of issues, but the core ideas work for me, and Jean-Pierre Jeunet's directing sells it wholesale. Can't help but have a real soft spot for the film.
I'm really looking forward to that panel then.
And I have a soft spot for AR too ;)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: marrerom on Sep 04, 2022, 11:23:36 PM
Post by: marrerom on Sep 04, 2022, 11:23:36 PM
It's a shame that they don't think there is a story worth telling with Ripley #8. Thematically, she would present a compelling challenge to a David as she represents a union of both his creators and his creation. Damn, I really wish we could get a movie with those 2 characters meeting.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 05, 2022, 12:22:17 AM
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 05, 2022, 12:22:17 AM
Disney doing something forward thinking and not nostalgia baity is quite the welcome surprise. Ripleys story ended in Alien 3 for me personally and I'm happy to have it like that forever.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 05, 2022, 12:25:22 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 05, 2022, 12:25:22 AM
Would defo love an alt timeline a la Aliens Book One for this if it ever gets off the ground
Nobody loves Resurrection more than I do but I feel it's better as a standalone... you can't outdo Jeunet at his own game
Nobody loves Resurrection more than I do but I feel it's better as a standalone... you can't outdo Jeunet at his own game
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 05, 2022, 12:32:52 AM
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 05, 2022, 12:32:52 AM
Yeah, in terms of comics, books, audio dramas and all that wonderful stuff I'd be down to check it out. Same as Blomkamps story.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 05, 2022, 12:35:20 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 05, 2022, 12:35:20 AM
Quote from: Some Old Dude on Sep 05, 2022, 12:32:52 AMYeah, in terms of comics, books, audio dramas and all that wonderful stuff I'd be down to check it out. Same as Blomkamps story.Indeed. I somehow feel like a Book One adaptation would be the better choice... need to reread that one (and get more into the EU I guess)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 01:32:33 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 01:32:33 AM
They really need to just adapt the original Book One by Mark A. Nelson and Mark Verheiden. That was the first Aliens story outside the original 2 films and it still remains the most plausible sequel in many ways. The Space Jockeys could be adapted to fit with the new Engineers and we go from there.
I thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 Alien comic series from Marvel, but I am concerned that they don't get it when it comes to the movies. There've been 6 film duds after the Aliens film. It's time to give the fans what they want, and that's a continuation of the Ripley, Hicks, Newt, Bishop story after Aliens.
I thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 Alien comic series from Marvel, but I am concerned that they don't get it when it comes to the movies. There've been 6 film duds after the Aliens film. It's time to give the fans what they want, and that's a continuation of the Ripley, Hicks, Newt, Bishop story after Aliens.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 02:12:49 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 02:12:49 AM
Even after that lovely reprint of Aliens The Original Series, the release of three versions of William Gibson's Alien³ drafts, I still find myself ultimately preferring the film. As in my opinion the best combination of Vincent Ward's overall concept, David Twohys' overall concept, and Rex Pickett's toned down characterisations. Then filtered through David Giler and Walter Hill, Terry Rawlings, and a new auteur (David Fincher instead of Ridley Scott) just like the original.
To me we missed nothing with Neill Blomkamp's Alien judging by his successive endeavours, whether it involved legacy characters or otherwise speaking, that it is time to let go of.
Noah Hawley gets that and I'm grateful he's the one in charge of Alien's future on the box. What we got's a great film according to him and I agree. It's a satisfying ending.
To me we missed nothing with Neill Blomkamp's Alien judging by his successive endeavours, whether it involved legacy characters or otherwise speaking, that it is time to let go of.
Noah Hawley gets that and I'm grateful he's the one in charge of Alien's future on the box. What we got's a great film according to him and I agree. It's a satisfying ending.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Cool Guy on Sep 05, 2022, 11:34:45 AM
Post by: Cool Guy on Sep 05, 2022, 11:34:45 AM
Shame, I hope the is bs and they already have something in the works, it would be crazy not to...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 05, 2022, 02:21:01 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 05, 2022, 02:21:01 PM
Quote from: Cool Guy on Sep 05, 2022, 11:34:45 AMShame, I hope the is bs and they already have something in the works, it would be crazy not to...
There are two projects currently in the works: Noah Hawley's show, and Fede Álvarez's film. This Walter Hill project, however, was dismissed almost immediately and is not moving forward.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 02:47:13 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 02:47:13 PM
I might be the only member on here that feels this way.
I still think there are good potential story lines with Ripley or Ripley 8.
Imho it comes down to the story. How well written it is.
I do welcome plots where Ripley is absent. I just think it's a mistake to close the book on Ripley' s story.
I still think there are good potential story lines with Ripley or Ripley 8.
Imho it comes down to the story. How well written it is.
I do welcome plots where Ripley is absent. I just think it's a mistake to close the book on Ripley' s story.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 05, 2022, 02:59:09 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 05, 2022, 02:59:09 PM
In a book or comic form, maybe. In a movie form ? Not sure about that, Sigourney doesn't get younger
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 03:11:55 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 03:11:55 PM
Concerning age.
Many actors are still able to deliver quality performances later in life.
Harrison Ford,Clint Eastwood. I don't include Arnold or Sly because I haven't seen them in their later films.
Many actors are still able to deliver quality performances later in life.
Harrison Ford,Clint Eastwood. I don't include Arnold or Sly because I haven't seen them in their later films.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 05, 2022, 03:21:46 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 05, 2022, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Sep 05, 2022, 12:25:22 AMNobody loves Resurrection more than I do
@[cancerblack]
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:26:38 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:26:38 PM
The book's already closed.
"You're a thing, a construct, they grew you in a f**king lab!"
For all Resurrection's faults it does get this, and points out in a meta sense that, that story's over now and no amount of wishful thinking will ever change that.
Bringing it out of the grave's just that because we live in a world where Alien³ does exist, and whether you do it with good intentions or not for profit or fanservice's exactly what Resurrection warns us against, Halloween and Terminator ignored that advice and look where it landed them.
"A King has his reign, and then he dies, it is inevitable." The old must die so the new thing can flourish, to create one must first destroy, for within each seed's a promise of a flower and within each death no matter how small there's always a new life waiting, Amen.
I am excited for the future, I think we can leave the past respectfully in peace.
"You're a thing, a construct, they grew you in a f**king lab!"
For all Resurrection's faults it does get this, and points out in a meta sense that, that story's over now and no amount of wishful thinking will ever change that.
Bringing it out of the grave's just that because we live in a world where Alien³ does exist, and whether you do it with good intentions or not for profit or fanservice's exactly what Resurrection warns us against, Halloween and Terminator ignored that advice and look where it landed them.
"A King has his reign, and then he dies, it is inevitable." The old must die so the new thing can flourish, to create one must first destroy, for within each seed's a promise of a flower and within each death no matter how small there's always a new life waiting, Amen.
I am excited for the future, I think we can leave the past respectfully in peace.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 05, 2022, 03:30:32 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 05, 2022, 03:30:32 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:26:38 PMHalloween and Terminator ignored that advice and look where it landed them.
Exactly what I thought
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Cocolyte on Sep 05, 2022, 03:31:25 PM
Post by: Cocolyte on Sep 05, 2022, 03:31:25 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:26:38 PMThe book's already closed.
"You're a thing, a construct, they grew you in a f**king lab!"
For all Resurrection's faults it does get this, and points out in a meta sense that, that story's over now and no amount of wishful thinking will ever change that.
Bringing it out of the grave's just that because we live in a world where Alien³ does exist, and whether you do it with good intentions or not for profit or fanservice's exactly what Resurrection warns us against, Halloween and Terminator ignored that advice and look where it landed them.
"A King has his reign, and then he dies, it is inevitable." The old must die so the new thing can flourish, to create one must first destroy, for within each seed's a promise of a flower and within each death no matter how small there's always a new life waiting, Amen.
I am excited for the future, I think we can leave the past respectfully in peace.
Very well put, friend. I concur.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 03:33:33 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 05, 2022, 03:30:32 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:26:38 PMHalloween and Terminator ignored that advice and look where it landed them.
Exactly what I thought
And I think Blade Runner 2049 ;)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:38:46 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:38:46 PM
That only had the one sequel, and not one that opted to undo the story of other entries, it is also primarily about new individuals not a regurgitation.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 03:53:22 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 03:53:22 PM
This example illustrates age is not a factor and the plot.
I'm not suggesting un doing any previous films or that Ripley is the primary character. I think there are story lines that can use the character . We don't know the full results of Ripley 8. The age enhancing property of the ALIEN. Which allows it to grow to an adult in hour's. All unexplored possibility using an older Ripley. 8)
I'm not suggesting un doing any previous films or that Ripley is the primary character. I think there are story lines that can use the character . We don't know the full results of Ripley 8. The age enhancing property of the ALIEN. Which allows it to grow to an adult in hour's. All unexplored possibility using an older Ripley. 8)
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:54:39 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 03:54:39 PM
"Ripley" directed by James Mangold.
That's the only way it works.
That's the only way it works.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 04:02:47 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 04:02:47 PM
I'm not an author but I can think of several plots for Ripley 8.
Something I've posted on the site in the past. Ripley 8 is the ALIEN. The monster so to speak.
It's why hybrid wolves are not encouraged to be kept as pets. There's no predicting if the wolf side will become dominate.
Something I've posted on the site in the past. Ripley 8 is the ALIEN. The monster so to speak.
It's why hybrid wolves are not encouraged to be kept as pets. There's no predicting if the wolf side will become dominate.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 04:22:45 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 04:22:45 PM
Yeah exactly why James Mangold might have a genuinely interesting story there.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Sep 05, 2022, 03:53:22 PMThis example illustrates age is not a factor and the plot.
I'm not suggesting un doing any previous films or that Ripley is the primary character. I think there are story lines that can use the character . We don't know the full results of Ripley 8. The age enhancing property of the ALIEN. Which allows it to grow to an adult in hour's. All unexplored possibility using an older Ripley. 8)
I'm fully on-board with retconning Alien 3 even though I thoroughly like the movie. The Aliens series is not just about the creatures. It's about certain characters as well. The Aliens series was at its best when it revolved around Ripley and has had steadily diminishing returns ever since. Taking away Ripley was like taking away Batman from a Batman film. The send-off was just so bad and unfulfilling, it mostly appeals to people who choose darkness, hopelessness and the nihilistic view of life. Aliens was the best film in the series and it took the story and it took it in a positive life-affirming direction. It gave us that Disney ending and that is why it appealed to the masses. The Aliens series needs to get back to that.
Also, the Aliens series already has retcons. Prometheus undid the AVP series. Moreover, the Halloween series is terrific in the way it uses retcons to tell the story of Michael Myers from different perspectives; each one being its own legend.
Retcon Alien 3!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 05, 2022, 04:53:32 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 05, 2022, 04:53:32 PM
Please no.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Cocolyte on Sep 05, 2022, 05:33:10 PM
Post by: Cocolyte on Sep 05, 2022, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMI'm fully on-board with retconning Alien 3 even though I thoroughly like the movie. The Aliens series is not just about the creatures. It's about certain characters as well. The Aliens series was at its best when it revolved around Ripley and has had steadily diminishing returns ever since. Taking away Ripley was like taking away Batman from a Batman film.
No. False equivalency. Ripley is not the Batman of Alien. The Alien is the Batman of Alien. But even still, it's a tenuous comparison.
Anyway, It's not the "Aliens" series. You can't just pretend that Aliens, the sequel, is the source material. It's just not.
So, yes, the series was at it's best when Ripley was there, but that's not BECAUSE Ripley was there. It's because the prequels are the ramblings of an insane old man. (I haven't seen the AVP films yet, but from what I gather it's shit writing that made those bad.)
Unhinged Ridley Scott ⤵
Spoiler
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMThe send-off was just so bad and unfulfilling, it mostly appeals to people who choose darkness, hopelessness and the nihilistic view of life.
If that was your take on Alien 3 then I'm not sure you were paying attention. It's a story about certain death, yes. But moreover it's a story about keeping your hope alive and doing what's right even knowing that you'll die. It's the most hopeful movie I've seen in a while. And it's in my catalog of media that inspires me to do what's right, not to give up and embrace darkness.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMAliens was the best film in the series and it took the story and it took it in a positive life-affirming direction. It gave us that Disney ending and that is why it appealed to the masses. The Aliens series needs to get back to that.
That is so shallow and vapid, I don't even know what to say. Why on Earth would you want Alien to be so simple? Just go watch Star Wars or something. Alien doesn't need to be like the bland mess of media we're inundated with nowadays.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMAlso, the Aliens series already has retcons. Prometheus undid the AVP series.
AVP was never canon.
They did, however, sort of retcon how the space jockey do into a much more simplistic idea. Plus they retconned what that black goop does in the prequels. So I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 05:49:58 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 05:49:58 PM
Kino post.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2022, 06:17:56 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2022, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMRetcon Alien 3!
Telling that you call it the "Aliens" series.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 07:09:10 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 07:09:10 PM
Actually does a disservice to how unique it is in the Alien Anthology despite the many shallow imitators.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 07:33:59 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 07:33:59 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2022, 06:17:56 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMRetcon Alien 3!
Telling that you call it the "Aliens" series.
But it is the Aliens series. It has been for decades because it was the superior film in the series. Most products were labeled with the Aliens logo, and its only in recent times that the "Alien" logo made its comeback. But the "Aliens" logo is the one that has become iconic and instantly recognizable for its influence on Science Fiction.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 07:52:15 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 07:33:59 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2022, 06:17:56 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMRetcon Alien 3!
Telling that you call it the "Aliens" series.
But it is the Aliens series. It has been for decades because it was the superior film in the series. Most products were labeled with the Aliens logo, and its only in recent times that the "Alien" logo made its comeback. But the "Aliens" logo is the one that has become iconic and instantly recognizable for its influence on Science Fiction.
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POV you're Perfect-Organism when Disney says it's not interested in more Ripley, and Noah Hawley's said he thought the story ended perfectly, so you argue that it's the "Aliens Series" not the "Alien Series" when only the one title in the entire franchise's the plural variation.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2022, 07:54:53 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2022, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 07:33:59 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2022, 06:17:56 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMRetcon Alien 3!
Telling that you call it the "Aliens" series.
But it is the Aliens series. It has been for decades because it was the superior film in the series. Most products were labeled with the Aliens logo, and its only in recent times that the "Alien" logo made its comeback. But the "Aliens" logo is the one that has become iconic and instantly recognizable for its influence on Science Fiction.
Part of what I found "telling" was that like me, you seemingly grew up during that time period. But in your own post you admit that's changed, and then again make an entirely subjective claim as if it's fact.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 05, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
It might have used "Aliens" more on licensed material, but being a film story first and foremost it is undoubtedly the "Alien" franchise for all intents and purposes, ridiculous discussion anyway though.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: D88M on Sep 05, 2022, 09:05:34 PM
Post by: D88M on Sep 05, 2022, 09:05:34 PM
If they had made a good movie i would have liked to see it and is a shame, but the story was over anyway and i wanted to see the ending of Ridley Scott prequel trilogy
We will see what disney has in store but given that the studio has not made a good movie in like what, 20 years? And everything they touch they destroy it i dont have my hopes up, in fact i was sad with the buy of fox and i just count every property they had in there to be already dead creatively speaking, just like what they did to Marvel, Star Wars, etc.
In fact while i am writing this i thought it is pretty weird they dont want the Ripley story to be continued or rebooted or some non sense like that, is right up their alley, i will be surprised if the new Alien and Predator movies they make will not be some kind of "remake that is also a sequel" crap.
We will see what disney has in store but given that the studio has not made a good movie in like what, 20 years? And everything they touch they destroy it i dont have my hopes up, in fact i was sad with the buy of fox and i just count every property they had in there to be already dead creatively speaking, just like what they did to Marvel, Star Wars, etc.
In fact while i am writing this i thought it is pretty weird they dont want the Ripley story to be continued or rebooted or some non sense like that, is right up their alley, i will be surprised if the new Alien and Predator movies they make will not be some kind of "remake that is also a sequel" crap.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 05, 2022, 09:21:33 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 05, 2022, 09:21:33 PM
Quote from: D88M on Sep 05, 2022, 09:05:34 PMIf they had made a good movie i would have liked to see it and is a shame, but the story was over anyway and i wanted to see the ending of Ridley Scott prequel trilogy
We will see what disney has in store but given that the studio has not made a good movie in like what, 20 years? And everything they touch they destroy it i dont have my hopes up, in fact i was sad with the buy of fox and i just count every property they had in there to be already dead creatively speaking, just like what they did to Marvel, Star Wars, etc.
In fact while i am writing this i thought it is pretty weird they dont want the Ripley story to be continued or rebooted or some non sense like that, is right up their alley, i will be surprised if the new Alien and Predator movies they make will not be some kind of "remake that is also a sequel" crap.
True, but the Alien movies aren't going to be made by Marvel/Lucasfilm. Still, and while I don't really like ADI's Predators, I did like Prey as a whole. So I'm still cautiously hopeful for Alien.
About the prequels, I just hope they have a good writer if one day they decide to play that part of the lore in Live-Action form, and honestly, the last thing I want is for Alien to be Ripley's saga.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: razeak on Sep 06, 2022, 01:02:50 AM
Post by: razeak on Sep 06, 2022, 01:02:50 AM
Xenomorphosis nailed it. Giler and Hill have been the biggest issue with the series.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 01:09:38 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 01:09:38 AM
Yeah they only produced two classic movies and saved the original from Roger Corman.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 07:30:32 AM
Post by: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 07:30:32 AM
TBH the two movies with Alien I'd really like to see is A:R sequel with Ripley8. Make her a hero, make her a villain both could work.
Another is post Alien3 story where we see whole might of W-Y going to LV-426, finding derelict, setting up base, studying jockey ship and Alien then going to hell with everything going turnly wrong. I want to see collapse of W-Y and why they are absent in A:R.
Another is post Alien3 story where we see whole might of W-Y going to LV-426, finding derelict, setting up base, studying jockey ship and Alien then going to hell with everything going turnly wrong. I want to see collapse of W-Y and why they are absent in A:R.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 06, 2022, 03:08:35 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 06, 2022, 03:08:35 PM
Mmm that could work.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Adam802 on Sep 06, 2022, 03:41:53 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Sep 06, 2022, 03:41:53 PM
Urgh...shame. Why do we keep losing out on actual good Alien movie concepts?.....
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 03:50:50 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 03:50:50 PM
We dodged a bullet most likely.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 06, 2022, 04:00:28 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 06, 2022, 04:00:28 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 03:50:50 PMWe dodged a bullet most likely.
We dodged this? ;D
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 04:18:26 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 04:18:26 PM
If I am shot in the mouth I'd rather it not be with a bullet.
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 06, 2022, 08:22:08 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 06, 2022, 08:22:08 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 04:18:26 PMIf I am shot in the mouth I'd rather it not be with a bullet.Spoiler
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Spoiler
That can be arranged.
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 06, 2022, 08:32:16 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 06, 2022, 08:32:16 PM
Eeeew
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 09:05:23 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 09:05:23 PM
Get a room sheesh
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 09:25:54 PM
Post by: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 09:25:54 PM
No no, go on!
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 06, 2022, 09:59:55 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 06, 2022, 09:59:55 PM
Honestly, we can't say if it's good or bad until we know what was in the treatment. Like, the wooden planet idea sounded cool in concept, but Ward and Fasano's script wasn't really that great.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 10:05:38 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 10:05:38 PM
If it retcons Alien³ it is bad by default, if it is a sequel to Alien Resurrection it might be good, but a story with Ripley does not work without Sigourney Weaver onboard.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 07, 2022, 05:04:48 AM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 07, 2022, 05:04:48 AM
@ SiL not to undermine their contribution of producing the first two movies "not so much in the writing as Ron Shusett would put it They took a shot at writing drafts it was getting worse, but he does acknowledge the exception of the Ash robot reveal being good" an impressive accomplishment how Ridley Scott &James Cameron directed David Giler & Walter Hill's property with minimal studio interference but that doesn't excuse their unprofessional treatment of David Fincher "they admitted that they werent all that enthused of Alien3 to begin with" and the overall studio politics that went on poor David Finch had to try save the movie. It's unclear if it was Alien3 falling short of expectation being an underwhelming end to a trilogy that lead Fox to remove creative control from David and Walter. Unsure what this Alien 5 story Walter n David came up with but wouldn't rule out that due to regrets and second guessing creative choices that it could've retconning dream similar galore.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 05:32:22 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 05:32:22 AM
Their drafts of the original movie are much better than O'Bannon and Shussett's. The two were largely bitter about how the script was changed, and some of Hill and Giler's ideas were absolutely moronic (Genghis Khan...), but ultimately the movie was saved by their writing.
I'm not saying they weren't arseholes. By all accounts they were. But saying they were the biggest issue with the franchise is a bit of a stretch.
I'm not saying they weren't arseholes. By all accounts they were. But saying they were the biggest issue with the franchise is a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 07, 2022, 06:08:07 AM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 07, 2022, 06:08:07 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 05:32:22 AMsome of Hill and Giler's ideas were absolutely moronic (Genghis Khan...),
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Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: TheBATMAN on Sep 07, 2022, 06:34:21 AM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Sep 07, 2022, 06:34:21 AM
There was no love lost between O'Bannon, Shussett and indeed later Rex Pickett with Brandywine so there's bound to be a little bias bitterness when they discuss their contributions.
But a simple read of O'Bannon's drafts and Hill and Giler's for Alien will tell you their writing wasnt really a problem in that regard.
But a simple read of O'Bannon's drafts and Hill and Giler's for Alien will tell you their writing wasnt really a problem in that regard.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 06:55:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 06:55:25 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 07, 2022, 06:08:07 AMThey had an idea where there would be a room on the Nostromo that let you recall figures from history and the crew would summon historical figures to fight the Alien.Quote from: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 05:32:22 AMsome of Hill and Giler's ideas were absolutely moronic (Genghis Khan...),
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It sounds ridiculous but there was a good writeup supporting the draft's existence. I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 07, 2022, 08:01:29 AM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 07, 2022, 08:01:29 AM
@ SiL Didn't say David Giler & Walter Hill were THE biggest with the series, there are many contributing factors, David said he n Walter took a shot at doing the script n the crew walked off, Alien3 had potential to be on par with 1 and 2 but it was limited, a reduced scope, unimaginative brought down the possibilities bring that saga to an abrupt end. The qualities of David Fincher has given it a niche following.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 08:09:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 08:09:04 AM
Alien3's real problem was being given a release date before they had a script, which came from the studio, not Hill and Giler. They were working to a deadline, and Sigourney's demands on the script didn't much help things.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 07, 2022, 08:10:28 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 07, 2022, 08:10:28 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 10:05:38 PMIf it retcons Alien³ it is bad by default, if it is a sequel to Alien Resurrection it might be good, but a story with Ripley does not work without Sigourney Weaver onboard.
I wholly agree. But I think Resurrection is too left of field in the series to warrant any effort of a sequel from Disney.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2022, 01:31:47 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2022, 01:31:47 PM
I love AR but at this point ignoring it would be ok for me also.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BIOROBOT on Sep 07, 2022, 06:23:46 PM
Post by: BIOROBOT on Sep 07, 2022, 06:23:46 PM
For me Ripleys story line ended with Alien 3.
I'll also add that I really hope they keep Ridley Scott far away from this franchise moving forward.
I'll also add that I really hope they keep Ridley Scott far away from this franchise moving forward.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Sep 07, 2022, 06:23:46 PMI'll also add that I really hope they keep Ridley Scott far away from this franchise moving forward.
I can't disagree with that.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2022, 08:29:01 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2022, 08:29:01 PM
Might have to wait for another project, then, because he's producing the next two on the slate.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Ahsoka on Sep 08, 2022, 04:34:33 AM
Post by: Ahsoka on Sep 08, 2022, 04:34:33 AM
Too bad, I wish they would continue post-Alien 4 with Ripley :(
If not, then what's stopping them to make it in another media like comics or a game?
If not, then what's stopping them to make it in another media like comics or a game?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 08, 2022, 11:24:06 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 08, 2022, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: Ahsoka on Sep 08, 2022, 04:34:33 AMToo bad, I wish they would continue post-Alien 4 with Ripley :(
If not, then what's stopping them to make it in another media like comics or a game?
Back in the DH Press days they did a novel called Original Sin that follows Ripey 8 and the Betty survivors in the aftermath of Resurrection, and deals with (a pre-Prometheus/Engineers interpretation of) the Space Jockies.
There's also the Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator crossover comic which, for some reason, decided to tether itself into a post-Resurrection timeframe and feature Ripley 8. :laugh:
I am shocked that the haven't gotten anything really alluding to Ripley 8 in the modern era of expanded universe material, however. There is one post-Resurrection set novel that I'm aware of, but I think it's more interested in reestablishing Weyland-Yutani and bringing the setting back to the old status quo than it is in actually following on from any threads from Resurrection, from what I've heard.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Wompdonkey on Sep 08, 2022, 01:10:51 PM
Post by: Wompdonkey on Sep 08, 2022, 01:10:51 PM
I'm not interested in returning to Ripley's storyline, either
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 08, 2022, 02:15:12 PM
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 08, 2022, 02:15:12 PM
I'd only have Ripley 8 in a cameo in any post Resurrection set film tbf
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 08, 2022, 10:04:39 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 08, 2022, 10:04:39 PM
Ripley, yes. Ripley 8? I'd rather stick my head in a blender.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 09, 2022, 05:53:33 AM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 09, 2022, 05:53:33 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 08, 2022, 10:04:39 PMRipley, yes. Ripley 8? I'd rather stick my head in a blender.
Why ?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2022, 08:09:09 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2022, 08:09:09 AM
I'm far more interested in continuing Ripley 8's story. I'd like to explore more of her connection to the Alien. I think it'd open more avenues for some really interesting story explorations.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Bendortheconqueror on Sep 09, 2022, 05:19:05 PM
Post by: Bendortheconqueror on Sep 09, 2022, 05:19:05 PM
Well, thank God. I wouldn't want to see another attempt to re-animate Ripley. I know people love to give Alien3 a lot of crap, but in my opinion it was the only legit ending for the character. Alien Resurrection was a dumb cash-grab and any "let's ignore Alien3" direct sequel to Aliens, would be another proof of lack of creativity.
I think there is enough or even more potential for interesting stories in the Alien-universe without Ripley.
I think there is enough or even more potential for interesting stories in the Alien-universe without Ripley.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 09, 2022, 06:08:18 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 09, 2022, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2022, 08:29:01 PMMight have to wait for another project, then, because he's producing the next two on the slate.
He's not directing it, that's the most important part for me.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Sep 09, 2022, 07:21:44 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 09, 2022, 07:21:44 PM
You want Scott directing. He's still a brilliant director.
You just don't want him making story decisions.
You just don't want him making story decisions.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 09, 2022, 08:22:50 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 09, 2022, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2022, 07:21:44 PMYou want Scott directing. He's still a brilliant director.
You just don't want him making story decisions.
He's a victim of his own success at this point, in that people who really should, won't say "no" to him and the end product is inferior for it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Master on Sep 10, 2022, 11:33:57 PM
Post by: Master on Sep 10, 2022, 11:33:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2022, 08:09:09 AMI'm fair more interested in continuing Ripley 8's story. I'd like to explore more of her connection to the Alien. I think it'd open more avenues for some really interesting story explorations.
I'd love new entry with Ripley 8. I'd also love to see another take or adult version of Newborn creature.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: COOL GUY on Sep 11, 2022, 07:15:10 AM
Post by: COOL GUY on Sep 11, 2022, 07:15:10 AM
I am all in for more Ripley, why are they so dumb...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 11, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 11, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
lol
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 11, 2022, 05:06:43 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 11, 2022, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2022, 07:21:44 PMYou want Scott directing. He's still a brilliant director.
It didn't look like it with his recent movies, but I guess it's possible.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 07:05:52 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 07:05:52 PM
Have you not seen The Last Duel then? Pretty excellent.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 11, 2022, 07:18:38 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 11, 2022, 07:18:38 PM
That's the only one I missed.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 07:28:19 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 07:28:19 PM
It is worth watching.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2022, 08:47:21 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2022, 08:47:21 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 09, 2022, 08:22:50 PMQuote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2022, 07:21:44 PMYou want Scott directing. He's still a brilliant director.
You just don't want him making story decisions.
He's a victim of his own success at this point, in that people who really should, won't say "no" to him and the end product is inferior for it.
Same thing happened to George Lucas.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 12, 2022, 05:09:09 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 12, 2022, 05:09:09 PM
Spite what Disney said about that they wont be Disneyfying Star Wars and Marvel they've done just that. Now they'll bastardize Alien Franchise turn it into a kids medium and we will be seeing fortnight skins and Mobile Games with cute little aliens and chibbi marines for kids to play.
I do whole heartedly blame Fox in the long run though, they really mishandled this franchise going into the 2000s. So it's no surprise they got bought out by Disney of all companies. Really makes that joke in Alien Resurrection even more funnier when the doctor said Weyland was bought out by Walmart in the future haha.
I do whole heartedly blame Fox in the long run though, they really mishandled this franchise going into the 2000s. So it's no surprise they got bought out by Disney of all companies. Really makes that joke in Alien Resurrection even more funnier when the doctor said Weyland was bought out by Walmart in the future haha.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 12, 2022, 05:31:19 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 12, 2022, 05:31:19 PM
Ahem...
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2022, 05:49:34 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2022, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 12, 2022, 05:09:09 PMNow they'll bastardize Alien Franchise turn it into a kids medium and we will be seeing fortnight skins and Mobile Games with cute little aliens and chibbi marines for kids to play.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 12, 2022, 06:25:04 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 12, 2022, 06:25:04 PM
Too late
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 12, 2022, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 12, 2022, 06:41:00 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2022, 05:49:34 PMQuote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 12, 2022, 05:09:09 PMNow they'll bastardize Alien Franchise turn it into a kids medium and we will be seeing fortnight skins and Mobile Games with cute little aliens and chibbi marines for kids to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFNeG0F2nDk
Yeah...I'm gonna cry in a corner now with my stuffed face hugger plushy
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: SiL on Sep 12, 2022, 07:13:51 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 12, 2022, 07:13:51 PM
I have one of those. And a chest burster..
From long before the Disney merger.
From long before the Disney merger.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 13, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 13, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Watching Disney wobble around with the Star Wars franchise has certainly been amusing. Oversaturation of the market with shows, films, etc... I had to laugh.
Thus far we have, as far as I know, just the one movie under Disney's belt. Prey. By all accounts (I haven't seen it yet), it's done a damn sight better than The Predator did, and comparatively with the other half of this franchise, better than Prometheus and Covenant did for the Alien series.
So, Disney is off to the right start. I haven't cared much for some of the details i've heard about the upcoming Alien series, but, well... We'll see what happens. I hope it will be amazing... and that would be two for two under Disney's reign.
As to the topic at hand. Ripley shouldn't have made it beyond Alien 3. For all its flaws the final ten minutes of that movie are absolutely solid and end the series the best way I think they could have. No need to go back to the well.
Thus far we have, as far as I know, just the one movie under Disney's belt. Prey. By all accounts (I haven't seen it yet), it's done a damn sight better than The Predator did, and comparatively with the other half of this franchise, better than Prometheus and Covenant did for the Alien series.
So, Disney is off to the right start. I haven't cared much for some of the details i've heard about the upcoming Alien series, but, well... We'll see what happens. I hope it will be amazing... and that would be two for two under Disney's reign.
As to the topic at hand. Ripley shouldn't have made it beyond Alien 3. For all its flaws the final ten minutes of that movie are absolutely solid and end the series the best way I think they could have. No need to go back to the well.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 12:30:18 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 12:30:18 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 13, 2022, 12:27:17 AMAs to the topic at hand. Ripley shouldn't have made it beyond Alien 3. For all its flaws the final ten minutes of that movie are absolutely solid and end the series the best way I think they could have. No need to go back to the well.
What about the first five minutes?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 05:47:07 AM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 05:47:07 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 12:30:18 AMWhat about the first five minutes?
What about them ?
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 13, 2022, 05:51:00 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 13, 2022, 05:51:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 12:30:18 AMWhat about the first five minutes?
A lovecraftian horror that I tried to fix several times.
F*ck it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 05:51:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 05:51:41 AM
@Kradan ^
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 05:56:14 AM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 05:56:14 AM
Nothing wrong about some lovecraftian horror in an Alien movie
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 06:00:37 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 06:00:37 AM
He was being kind.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 06:02:26 AM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 06:02:26 AM
Nothing wrong about some Magic Eggs
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 13, 2022, 03:39:44 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 13, 2022, 03:39:44 PM
When it spawns such a great movie, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 03:41:15 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 06:02:26 AMNothing wrong about some Magic Eggs
They upset people though.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 03:49:43 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 03:49:43 PM
People should get over it
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2022, 03:41:15 PMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 06:02:26 AMNothing wrong about some Magic Eggs
They upset people though.
That's cool. I like lots of stuff that upsets people. And other people like lots of stuff that upsets me.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 14, 2022, 06:29:22 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 14, 2022, 06:29:22 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 13, 2022, 03:39:44 PMWhen it spawns such a great movie, I'm all for it.
I can't argue with that. Though Alien 3 is like Schrodinger's movie. Did Golic release the alien? Was it captured? Dog or Ox? Where did that one bald british bloke actually die?
Speaks to the brilliant direction of David Fincher that the movie still has so many great moments even with the myriad of problems.
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 13, 2022, 05:56:14 AMNothing wrong about some lovecraftian horror in an Alien movie
Oh I agree. I'm all for that.
I just don't think it should be from the result of not knowing what to do with a scene so you just put some stuff in there and hope it sorts itself out.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: skhellter on Sep 14, 2022, 06:41:43 AM
Post by: skhellter on Sep 14, 2022, 06:41:43 AM
alien3 is the perfect example of a very good filmmaker and committed cast and crew elevating the f**k out of a mediocre script.
Fincher wrings every page for all possible available drama.
If anyone else had directed it, no one would be talking about it still.
...Imagine Renny Harlin handling this material.
Fincher wrings every page for all possible available drama.
If anyone else had directed it, no one would be talking about it still.
...Imagine Renny Harlin handling this material.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 14, 2022, 07:06:49 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 14, 2022, 07:06:49 PM
Was the script that bad though ? And thank god for no Renny Harlin lol.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2022, 07:33:01 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Sep 14, 2022, 07:33:01 PM
Harlin would have done fine with Twohy's script, but the prison idea didn't interest him. I've only skimmed the Giler/Hill drafts, but they're not their best work.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 16, 2022, 05:37:03 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 16, 2022, 05:37:03 PM
I don't see Harlin good for any type of Alien story. He's okay for Cliffhanger and stuff like that.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 16, 2022, 10:07:05 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 16, 2022, 10:07:05 PM
Renny Harlin wanted to take it to Earth. Which they kinda went "Yeah! ... No!"
Then he wanted to go to the Alien Homeworld.
Either one would probably work okay for the end of the trilogy, but... eh.
I don't think we would have gotten anything much better than what we got. Unless Gibson got a crack at a third draft and iterated refinements in that in the same direction he was going with draft 2. Draft 2 is my favorite Alien 3 script.
Then he wanted to go to the Alien Homeworld.
Either one would probably work okay for the end of the trilogy, but... eh.
I don't think we would have gotten anything much better than what we got. Unless Gibson got a crack at a third draft and iterated refinements in that in the same direction he was going with draft 2. Draft 2 is my favorite Alien 3 script.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 21, 2022, 03:30:59 PM
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 21, 2022, 03:30:59 PM
I still want to see the next draft of the Ward version and the Seven Dwarfs one lol
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 21, 2022, 03:53:22 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 21, 2022, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 21, 2022, 03:30:59 PMI still want to see the next draft of the Ward version and the Seven Dwarfs one lol
Same
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: razeak on Sep 21, 2022, 04:58:42 PM
Post by: razeak on Sep 21, 2022, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 01:09:38 AMYeah they only produced two classic movies and saved the original from Roger Corman.
Oh my LOL. Yeah, I should clarify. You're right. I think they have steered it downhill big time SINCE Alien and Aliens. Yeah, they helped knock the series out of the park. They also helped knock it off the rails. They absolutely deserve praise and criticism equally.
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: skhellter on Sep 21, 2022, 05:24:08 PM
Post by: skhellter on Sep 21, 2022, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 21, 2022, 03:30:59 PMI still want to see the next draft of the Ward version and the Seven Dwarfs one lol
It exists. It's the 1990 draft of Alien3 by Larry Ferguson. The last known draft made for Vincent Ward's version of Alien3.
It's just as insane as advertised. Was sold a few years back at a studio auction.
New owner of the sold draft isn't interested in scanning. (also would be hard to scan without damaging the copy).
(Avpg could've bought it, btw... you guys really gotta keep an eye out for rare production materials...)
this was the site where it went up
https://www.icollector.com/Alien-3-Early-First-Draft-Production-Script-A868_i42949692
Title: Re: Walter Hill Sent Sigourney Weaver a 50-Page Alien 5 Treatment!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 22, 2022, 10:15:20 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 22, 2022, 10:15:20 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Sep 21, 2022, 05:24:08 PM(Avpg could've bought it, btw... you guys really gotta keep an eye out for rare production materials...)
this was the site where it went up
https://www.icollector.com/Alien-3-Early-First-Draft-Production-Script-A868_i42949692
To be fair, I do regularly check London Prop Store, but in all honesty I've never really delved into the world of auction for this kind of thing. I'd assume it'd be well out of my price range but I would have at least entertained the idea.