Over the last few days several bits of news regarding the multiple upcoming Dark Horse comic series have been released. The solicitations for May have been released and with those releases we have a synopsis and cover for Aliens: Defiance #2 and Predator: Life and Death #3:
“Colonial Marine Hendricks and the Weyland-Yutani synthetic Davis break protocol, navigating the Europa to a distant science station discovered in the once-derelict ship's data records—a station that recently went dark. Following the trail of the alien species, they dive deeper into a conspiracy, uncovering just how much is riding on their choices.”
Predator: Life and Death #3 cover art by David Palumbo and Massimo Carnevale’s cover for Aliens: Defiance #2.
Whilst talking to Big Comic Page about Predator: Life and Death, Dan Abnett confirmed that he would be writing all 4 parts of the Life and Death series. The interview also featured our first look at the cover art for Prometheus: Life and Death #1:
“Oh, but that's not all. Because while we're focusing mainly on the Predator series here, Abnett will actually be writing all four series in this event, including the upcoming Prometheus one, and we're honoured to be able to give you a world-exclusive look at the cover for the first issue! Feast your eyes on Dave Palumbo's typically awesome work below.”
Prometheus: Life and Death #1 cover art by David Palumbo.
Predator: Life and Death #1 is due for release March 2nd 2016 and early reviews are now starting to be released online. Big Comic Page and Fanboy Comics both have advanced reviews online and they’re quite positive: “Without hesitation, Predator: Life and Death #1 is worth picking up or, better yet, adding to your pull list. Dark Horse continues to do what the the Predator, Aliens, and Prometheus film franchises should be doing by building an interconnected universe set in the extremely popular future established by the Carmon's Aliens film. It remains to be seen if the rest of the series will follow suit, but Predator: Life and Death #1 is certainly an exciting first chapter that is absolutely full of potential.”
Thanks to Ultramorph for the tips.
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I'm digging that Predator design!
I would like to see a possible engineer character. It would be interesting to read about the ideas, and personality of one of these mysterious beings. It would also be fascinating if they made the engineer a protagonist, thus shedding light on the matter that, maybe, not all engineers are bad and some are pro humanity.
This series looks amazing. Cannot wait!
I wonder/hope if Palumbo will do a poster image for Life and Death like the one he did for FaS.
Really excited for all of these!
Some nice artwork there.
I can't wait for Defiance, but the Predator book is slowly creeping up the 'meh' meter for me. Apparently these marines also stumble upon a jockey ship, and I really don't like that. Not only are the mysterious 'derelicts' like the one in Alien now a common occurrence and just lying around everywhere, it seems like the only way they can relate any story to Prometheus is by either having it take place on LV-223, or having another Engineer and another Juggernaut ship exactly like the first one just randomly show up somewhere.
For all of the "expansive mythology"and "mysteries" Prometheus claimed to create, it's certainly a narrow approach for exploring that mythology and tying it in with other characters. I'd like to see something different, especially since the Engineers we've seen in the comics thus far have served about as much of a purpose as the one from the film (which I thought was supposed to be the last one, but now there are like a bunch of them) which is > show up, punch things, die.
Yes, the horse is beaten more than it should.
The Predator: Life and Death #3 cover looks odd to me. Upon closer inspection I realized it's actually a human in disguise, like Noland from Predators. Dunno how I missed that.
Quote from: Randomizer on Feb 16, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
Yes, the horse is beaten more than it should.
The Predator: Life and Death #3 cover looks odd to me. Upon closer inspection I realized it's actually a human in disguise, like Noland from Predators. Dunno how I missed that.
I'm not sure thats suppose to be a human, but I can see the human looking features that make it look that way.
The marine helm does seem a bit big...not sure whether that's a disguised human though
Someone here said your not a hardcore Predator fan until youve gotten ian white to sign your predator art? LMFAO Sorry but if anything that disqualifies you as a hardcore Predator fan lol Kevin Peter Hall is where it was all at bro. Avp is only canon to Avp and im pretty sure ian white wasn't in Predators. Also, for those who say its a bad idea for predators to have been created by the engineers or their master(s)i ask, why? Give me a legitimate reason as to why every other humanoid life form in this canon is seemingly created by engineers but Predators arent. I love Aliens as much as Predators and i dont have a problem with this. it actually makes Predator lore that much more interesting if you have imagination. Plus, Hicks, engineers are not literal gods. And im pretty sure a race as intelligent as Predators knows that. if anything, to you, itd be like gods hunting gods since predators also come from the sky.
Quote from: happypred on Feb 17, 2016, 04:16:11 AM
The marine helm does seem a bit big...not sure whether that's a disguised human though
Looking at the hands, suggest that this isn't a human disguised as a Predator.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Feb 17, 2016, 05:51:57 AM
Someone here said your not a hardcore Predator fan until youve gotten ian white to sign your predator art? LMFAO Sorry but if anything that disqualifies you as a hardcore Predator fan lol Kevin Peter Hall is where it was all at bro. Avp is only canon to Avp and im pretty sure ian white wasn't in Predators.
That's a random comment. No-one in here has said that.
QuoteAlso, for those who say its a bad idea for predators to have been created by the engineers or their master(s)i ask, why? Give me a legitimate reason as to why every other humanoid life form in this canon is seemingly created by engineers but Predators arent. I love Aliens as much as Predators and i dont have a problem with this. it actually makes Predator lore that much more interesting if you have imagination.
I believe Rakai just believes it would devalue the Predators. For me, it'd just narrow the universe down too much. I love the notion of the Engineers creating life but if every single sentient lifeform in this galaxy is created by the Engineers it would mean that the story pool gets considerably smaller .
QuotePlus, Hicks, engineers are not literal gods. And im pretty sure a race as intelligent as Predators knows that. if anything, to you, itd be like gods hunting gods since predators also come from the sky.
Not really. I say literal Gods as they literally created us.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 16, 2016, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: Randomizer on Feb 16, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
Yes, the horse is beaten more than it should.
The Predator: Life and Death #3 cover looks odd to me. Upon closer inspection I realized it's actually a human in disguise, like Noland from Predators. Dunno how I missed that.
I'm not sure thats suppose to be a human, but I can see the human looking features that make it look that way.
I don't think that's the intent either.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 16, 2016, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: Randomizer on Feb 16, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
Yes, the horse is beaten more than it should.
The Predator: Life and Death #3 cover looks odd to me. Upon closer inspection I realized it's actually a human in disguise, like Noland from Predators. Dunno how I missed that.
I'm not sure thats suppose to be a human, but I can see the human looking features that make it look that way.
If so, that's some sketchy artwork right there.
Now let's just wait until release...
Looks cool, But honestly the price of comics just piss me off. I remember picking up all the fire and stone last year and wtf i spent like 100 dollars on all that b.s. This time i'll wait around for while and pick up some back issue alien stuff i'm missing. #thestruggle lol
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 17, 2016, 06:13:18 AM
Looking at the hands, suggest that this isn't a human disguised as a Predator.
You mean the pointy thumb?
Comics Pro 2016 is going on now, and Randy has apparently taken the stage to talk about upcoming Alien and Predator comics:
QuoteVP of Publishing @Randy_Stradley takes the stage to talk about #AliensDay, the 30th Anniversary of Aliens! #ComicsPRO2016
https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/700381160157786112 (https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/700381160157786112)
Should get some good info today.
New
Prometheus: L&D variant cover:
https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/700382404842643456 (https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/700382404842643456)
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Some more
Defiance interiors:
https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/700382832179326976 (https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/700382832179326976)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbhCeVTUsAAvJar.png:large)
Defiance looking great! Thats quite a strange pic of the pregnant jockey
Gah. Is Defiance out yet?!
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 18, 2016, 06:41:16 PM
Defiance looking great! Thats quite a strange pic of the pregnant jockey
It reminds me of some strange art you'd have seen before Prometheus.
I wonder what that pregnant Jockey picture is implying.
Could it be a symbolic message about Engineers being bringers of life? Or could that Jockey looking thing merely be a birthing chamber housing a baby Engineer?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 18, 2016, 10:58:24 PM
I wonder what that pregnant Jockey picture is implying.
Could it be a symbolic message about Engineers being bringers of life?
I'm imagine it's something along this vein.
Yeah, it's probably symbolic of the Engineers being the creators of mankind. It's definitely the variant I'm ordering, unless an even cooler one comes around.
Hopefully this time around the story focuses more on the mysteries of the Prometheus side of things, rather than Engineers pummeling people. Not that that can't be part of the story, but it would be neat if they explored some aspects of the Engineers terraforming (Tartarus and LV-223 are both jungle worlds, so maybe we're seeing a pattern of what type of atmosphere the Engineers prefer) or had one of them interact non-violently toward the human characters.
I'd definitely like to see more expansion and explanation about the Engineers. Or just pick a potential new direction and go explore it.
Tomorrow is In-Store Comic Con, and Randy Stradley will be speaking. Last year was when he first told us that DH was working on a Fire and Stone sequel, so maybe we'll get a nugget or two of info about what's ahead for Life and Death. The solicitation for Prometheus #1 maybe?
http://conventionkickoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Program-Full-V8.pdf (http://conventionkickoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Program-Full-V8.pdf)
We have our June 2016 solicitations, and they're a doozy!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/hellboy-in-hell-finale-prometheus-dark-horse-june-2016-solicitations (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/hellboy-in-hell-finale-prometheus-dark-horse-june-2016-solicitations)
Aliens: Defiance #3Spoiler
Riccardo Burchielli fills in on art duties.
QuoteAliens: Defiance #3
Brian Wood (W), Riccardo Burchielli (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
On sale June 29
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Mutiny aboard the Europa. After accessing a Weyland-Yutani network buoy which reprograms their directives, several Davis synthetics seek to take down the mysterious Davis 01 unit and take the ship back to Earth. Colonial Marine Zula Hendricks and Davis 01 must survive an organized tactical assault in deep space.
• Brian Wood brings his sharp storytelling to Aliens.
The Dark Horse Comics/DC: Superman TPSpoiler
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QuoteChuck Dixon (W), Dan Jurgens (W), Kevin Nowlan (A/Cover), Carlos Meglia (A), Jon Bogdanove (P/Cover), Mike Allred (P), Dave Stewart (C), Greg Wright (C), Laura Allred (C)
On sale Aug 3
FC, 416 pages
$24.99
TP, 7" x 10"
In the first ever collection of the DC/Dark Horse Superman crossover stories, the Man of Steel faces the universe's deadliest foe, but is he truly strong enough to defeat the xenomorph? Follow the Last Son of Krypton through the world of Madman and explore the jungles of East Africa with him alongside Tarzan, son of the jungle. Collects Superman vs. Aliens Volume 1, Superman vs. Aliens Volume 2: God War, Superman/Tarzan: Sons of the Jungle, and The Superman/Madman Hullabaloo.
• Over 400 pages of material contains four full Superman arcs from Dan Jurgens, Chuck Dixon, and Mike Allred, original covers, and pinup and sketchbook art from the original creative teams.
• In this 30th-anniversary year of Aliens, fans can rediscover the Man of Steel combating the xenomorph -- for the first time since 2002.
Predator: Life and Death #4Spoiler
QuoteThe conclusion of the first Life and Death story arc!
Predator: Life and Death #4 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Brian Albert Thies (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale June 1
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
The battle between the Colonial Marines and the Predators opens on two fronts as the humans attempt to split the enemy's force and take possession of the mysterious horseshoe-shaped alien spaceship! Getting their hands on the alien technology will be a huge victory for the humans... or will it?
Prometheus: Life and Death #1Spoiler
A Dave Dorman variant cover!
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QuoteRidley Scott's monster gods!
Prometheus: Life and Death #1 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Andrea Mutti (A), Rain Beredo (C), David Palumbo (Cover), Sachin Teng (Variant cover), and Dave Dorman (30th anniversary variant cover)
On sale June 8
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Colonial Marines have commandeered a mysterious alien ship -- wresting it from the savage Predators who also wanted it. But now the owner of the vessel has awakened, and the marines find themselves trapped in space with an angry god!
• Chapter two of the Life and Death story cycle!
That Dorman
Prometheus variant is f*cking sweet, excuse my French.
Judging by the layout it's another of those 30th anniversary jobbies designed to mimic
Dark Horse Presents.
Interesting as well how the résumé paints the series as
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a direct sequel to the Predator one.
I'm definitely getting that Dorman variant.
I like how
Prometheus #1 comes out just a week after
Predator #4. I was dreading a month-long wait between series.
Also, based on that summary
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I'm guessing that the Engineer ends up flying them to LV-223, hence the "intersection" between this and Fire and Stone.
Also also, started looking into Andrea Mutti, who is doing the art for
Prometheus: L&D, and starting to find a bit.
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https://twitter.com/andreamutti9/status/696637451167756288 (https://twitter.com/andreamutti9/status/696637451167756288)
Is that a proto-xenomorph?
https://twitter.com/andreamutti9/status/690539853763756032 (https://twitter.com/andreamutti9/status/690539853763756032)
Holy shit! That Dorman piece is simply gorgeous! That is just fantastic. I need to make sure I get a copy of that variant!
Dorman cover is amazing, I can't wait to see the other covers. Good time to be back into the comics thats for sure.
Man that is a sweet Dorman cover for prometheus, all the details on the engineer are glorious.
Interesting to note that Rain Beredo is doing the colors for Prometheus: L&D, too. So each series will have different art, but a consistent color palette, it seems.
I will definitely be getting the Superman TPB. Good to have both Supes/Xeno series in one place
Defiantly picking these up. LOVE the Dorman cover variant. I will make it a priority to pick it up. It'd be almost sacrilege not to.
The Superman/Aliens trade is up for pre-order on Amazon with a release date of August 16, 2016.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506702147?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506702147?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 17, 2016, 06:06:47 PM
The Superman/Aliens trade is up for pre-order on Amazon with a release date of August 16, 2016.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506702147?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506702147?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00)
Wait, is this a re-release of the old Superman vs Aliens comic? Or is this a completely new crossover?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 17, 2016, 03:24:16 PM
We have our June 2016 solicitations, and they're a doozy!
Predator: Life and Death #4
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QuoteThe conclusion of the first Life and Death story arc!
Predator: Life and Death #4 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Brian Albert Thies (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale June 1
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
The battle between the Colonial Marines and the Predators opens on two fronts as the humans attempt to split the enemy's force and take possession of the mysterious horseshoe-shaped alien spaceship! Getting their hands on the alien technology will be a huge victory for the humans... or will it?
Prometheus: Life and Death #1
Spoiler
A Dave Dorman variant cover!
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QuoteRidley Scott's monster gods!
Prometheus: Life and Death #1 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Andrea Mutti (A), Rain Beredo (C), David Palumbo (Cover), Sachin Teng (Variant cover), and Dave Dorman (30th anniversary variant cover)
On sale June 8
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Colonial Marines have commandeered a mysterious alien ship -- wresting it from the savage Predators who also wanted it. But now the owner of the vessel has awakened, and the marines find themselves trapped in space with an angry god!
• Chapter two of the Life and Death story cycle!
Wonderful :-* So I guess it will be Predator, Prometheus...then Aliens and AVP for the grand finale?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 17, 2016, 07:01:54 PM
Wait, is this a re-release of the old Superman vs Aliens comic? Or is this a completely new crossover?
It's a re-release of the two Superman/Aliens crossovers from the early 2000s, plus a few other older stories.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 17, 2016, 07:39:04 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 17, 2016, 07:01:54 PM
Wait, is this a re-release of the old Superman vs Aliens comic? Or is this a completely new crossover?
It's a re-release of the two Superman/Aliens crossovers from the early 2000s, plus a few other older stories.
Ah, cool. I loved that Superman vs Aliens comic. I loved the that despite Superman being quite powerful, their acid blood stung his eyes real bad when it splashed on his face.
Really curious as to how the humans try to split enemy force
Predator #3, Aliens: Defiance #3 and Prometheus #1 are all up for pre-order on TFAW, but the Dorman and Sachin Teng versions haven't been listed yet.
The Dave Dorman and Sachin Teng variants for Prometheus #1 are available for pre-order now on TFAW! Got my Dorman variant. ;D
I like both covers a lot, but Dorman wins hands down, got mine preordered ;D
I asked my local to try and get me the Dorman cover. I just hope he manages it!
Dark Horse's Emerald City Comic-Con schedule has been put up on the W-Y Bulletin.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/WYbulletin/permalink/1000186250064085/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/WYbulletin/permalink/1000186250064085/)
Josh Izzo will be at the A/v/P panel, which is this Friday!
QuoteDark Horse Comics and Twentieth Century Fox: A Relationship Spanning Universes
12:15 p.m.–1:15 p.m. T305
Dark Horse achieved one of its earliest successes with the 1988 publication of Aliens, followed that with Predator (1989) and Aliens vs. Predator (1990), won over fans of Buffy the Vampire Slayer with comics starting in 1998, and is now developing comics for the beautiful blue world of James Cameron's Avatar. Join Joshua Izzo (Director of Licensing, Twentieth Century Fox), Randy Stradley (Vice President of Publishing, Dark Horse Comics), Brian Thies (Predator: Life and Death), Faith Erin Hicks (Buffy: The High School Years), and others involved in creating the worlds of the Xenoverse, the Whedonverse, and the Pandoran biosphere.
Ah, fantastic! I hope we get some good stuff from that!
Hoping for some more sweet cover art, at the very least. I still want to know if Dave Palumbo is doing a banner poster for the event, like he did for FaS.
Dark Horse's July 2016 solicitations are up! I'm about to start work, so I can't break them down, but there is a big spoiler in the Prometheus solicitation, so beware.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-july-2016-solicitations-conan-bounty-black-hammer (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-july-2016-solicitations-conan-bounty-black-hammer)
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We do indeed make our way back to LV-223!
Loving the cover to Defiance #4!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 13, 2016, 07:19:52 PM
Loving the cover to Defiance #4!
Indeed! That's quite a lovely one!
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And Prometheus.
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I'll share these on the front page tomorrow. I'm gonna be heading off to bed soon. It's been a busy news day. :laugh:
Nice covers, I like them both. In the back of issue #2 of predator l&d stradley says the second series is aliens life and death and it comes out later this year. Im pretty sure Prometheus l&d is next right?
Maybe I read it wrong I'll check again.
@Hicks - Yeah it was! Crazy that we got news on pinball, A:C, The Predator, and the comics today.
Indeed, that Defiance cover is great. I'm getting more and more excited for that series the more I see!
On the Prometheus side of things, I can't wait
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to see the Marines meet Ahab and try to attack him, with Galgo and Angela trying to break it up. Also, I hope Ahab meets some of the other Predators and puts them in their place. "Oh, you found an Engineer ship? I killed one of them!" :D
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 14, 2016, 02:41:07 AM
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to see the Marines meet Ahab and try to attack him, with Galgo and Angela trying to break it up. Also, I hope Ahab meets some of the other Predators and puts them in their place. "Oh, you found an Engineer ship? I killed one of them!" :D
Ahab's appearance has not been confirmed, right?
Also...if I were Ahab, I would not be too proud of my Engineer trophy
Quote from: happypred on Apr 14, 2016, 09:38:15 AM
Ahab's appearance has not been confirmed, right?
No. But with...
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Them heading to LV-223, Ahab probably hasn't left the moon.
Quote from: happypred on Apr 14, 2016, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 14, 2016, 02:41:07 AM
On the Prometheus side of things, I can't wait Spoiler
to see the Marines meet Ahab and try to attack him, with Galgo and Angela trying to break it up. Also, I hope Ahab meets some of the other Predators and puts them in their place. "Oh, you found an Engineer ship? I killed one of them!" :D
Ahab's appearance has not been confirmed, right?
Also...if I were Ahab, I would not be too proud of my Engineer trophy
Wasn't the cleanest fight but he's probably the first predator to take down an Engineer and take a trophy of it, he should be proud. Also he killed and collected trophies of a lot nasty beasts on LV223, i'm sure he's feels accomplished lol.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 14, 2016, 01:08:36 PM
Wasn't the cleanest fight but he's probably the first predator to take down an Engineer and take a trophy of it, he should be proud.
AvP Requiem would disagree! :P
Really? i'm not super familiar with AvPR, did Wolf have a Engineer skull or somehting?
There was a Jockey skull in the trophy room at the start of the film. It's hard to see. I'll try and find a picture.
Did anyone ever give a date to the events in Predator Life and Death? I thought this would have taken place around the time of Isolation as Seegson is mentioned and colonization seems to be making its debut. If so, we'd be seeing LV-223 as it was in Prometheus and not as it was in Fire and Stone.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2016, 02:00:22 PM
There was a Jockey skull in the trophy room at the start of the film. It's hard to see. I'll try and find a picture.
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Right hand side, top row, 3rd from the right.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 14, 2016, 02:01:29 PM
Did anyone ever give a date to the events in Predator Life and Death? I thought this would have taken place around the time of Isolation as Seegson is mentioned and colonization seems to be making its debut. If so, we'd be seeing LV-223 as it was in Prometheus and not as it was in Fire and Stone.
It says at the front of the comic but I can't remember exactly. It's something like a year or two after the events of Fire and Stone.
Yeah, Life and Death takes place 43 years after Aliens, and about a year after Fire and Stone, so in about 2222.
Ah found it. Says a bit over a year so your correct. And its funny how wy's "New Worlds" initiative sounds like colonization has never been a thing. Also, kinda off topic, but if anyones read the comic AVP Thrill of the Hunt you'll notice an event called The Big Deletion where much of humanities history was lost. Ive always found that event to be significant to the fact that General Perez in Resurrection was not well informed to xeno encounters before and after Alien 3. The big deletion also fits with Tim Lebbons description of android events in Sea of Sorrows. I for one think it belongs in an official timeline. I even pegged a year, at least the last time humanity makes planetfall, 2285 ending roughly around the time Ripleys tissue samples were thawed out at Fury-161. This also gives legitimacy to all the newer stories involving WY and the military encountering the xeno's. Thoughts anyone?
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 14, 2016, 02:35:32 PMI for one think it belongs in an official timeline.
God no. "The Big Deletion" is unbelievably stupid.
I agree, smells of a last ditch effort to try and keep everything in continuity. Something darkhorse never seems to understand is that no matter what EU they create, the film makers will wipe it away on a whim.
Besides its too convenient that perez and the scientists know all about the aliens and the history of weyland yutani since alien3 and what Ripley went through. But everything else is lost? Nah
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2016, 02:00:22 PM
There was a Jockey skull in the trophy room at the start of the film. It's hard to see. I'll try and find a picture.
Lol nice, I guess Ahab isnt the first, although maybe the first to get the skull and not the helmet lol j./k ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2016, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: happypred on Apr 14, 2016, 09:38:15 AM
Ahab's appearance has not been confirmed, right?
No. But with...
Spoiler
Them heading to LV-223, Ahab probably hasn't left the moon.
That would be great . . . hope Ahab isn't entirely decrepit
This also gives me some small hope that
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they'll finally make sense of the living mountain.
I think we can all agree there are already some unbelievably stupid things that have happened in the movies. Prometheus for example. The big deletion fits perfectly in that universe alongside ideas like predators teaming up and becoming best buds with humans in a franchise where they hunt them for sport.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 14, 2016, 03:44:17 PMThe big deletion fits perfectly in that universe alongside ideas like predators teaming up and becoming best buds with humans in a franchise where they hunt them for sport.
No. The Big Deletion is a strong contender for the dumbest thing to ever come out of the franchise.
Like 420Buddy says, it doesn't even make any sense on it's own terms, because the USM still know all about what went on with Ripley... but none of the other hundreds of Alien encounters that happened in the interim. Including
all of Earth being taken over.
You seriously count xenos taking over earth as still being canon? Theres just so much wrong with that. Then again fox only counts the movies(not avp?) and current comics and novelization to be canon so any argument on the matter of whats more stupid than the other is really pointless when it comes to anything not branded as canon by fox. All we as fans can do is decide for ourselves and live happily in our own universe's in the end.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 14, 2016, 04:23:41 PMYou seriously count xenos taking over earth as still being canon?
Not at all. But the comics do, and it's the comics that came up with the Big Deletion to try and explain away how no one in the films remembers that happening.
i don't think the old comics are still considert canon. they started fresh just like star wars did it. ;)
They did starting with fire and stone, the comics we are talking about "Civilized Beasts" which started the idea of the big deletion, this was before the reboot when earths infestation was still apart of the EU.
Civilized Beasts
Thanks :)
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The comics where Aliens took over earth or were even mentioned taking it over were considered non canon as soon as Alien 3 made its debut. The rewrites were considered non canon after Resurrection and especially after Prometheus. Prometheus taking away the Alien homeworld and making the pilot race into engineers. Now my Alien/Predator comic box is set up to be canon friendly, so to speak, with the Alien and Predator cinematic universe. Anything Predator takes place from the past to now. Predator featuring Dutch's brother doesn't fit as its never mentioned in later movies. Something like Aliens Earth Angel fits because its an isolated incident that wasnt documented by anyone. Aliens vs Predator set on Ryushi fits before Aliens as it ends without anyone even bothering to really investigate the incident. Same with Avp Duel which can be set almost immediately after Alien 3 AND of which legitimises quotes from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual. With that in mind, "the company" was pretty much forced by Colonial admins and the military alike to forewarn its colonies of the XT threat. Only higher up's having the facts leaving regular joe's passing along rumors. Lets not forget also about company cover ups such as Aliens Berserker. After Avp War, which brings Predators into the spotlight, We get the Fire and stone series which also isnt documented by anyone. Counting the big deletion as canon fortifies the fact that the military barely knew what xeno's were and where to find them. With Predator Incursions inclusion of another research vessel experimenting with xeno's a few years before Resurrection, i'd say its a solid fact General Perez was one of possibly a few army stooges with orders to investigate rumors of past xeno incidents and collect specimens if found. Perez getting lucky and finding Ripleys tissue samples on Fury. In short, if the incident isnt well documented or can be considered a cover up, it fits perfectly before Resurrection. Now, as Incursion states, Xenos and Predators are well known in the new farther future so anything where people mentioned Aliens as if the whole of humanity already knew fits perfectly in that timeline. Questions? Problems?
Just finished the 2nd issue of Life and Death. Contrary to the first issue, this one felt balanced in both action and universe construction, if that's what you'd call it.
The single problem I have now is that the artwork seems to go downhill, but that might be just me acquiring some new tastes.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 15, 2016, 04:13:04 PM
The comics where Aliens took over earth or were even mentioned taking it over were considered non canon as soon as Alien 3 made its debut. The rewrites were considered non canon after Resurrection and especially after Prometheus. Prometheus taking away the Alien homeworld and making the pilot race into engineers. Now my Alien/Predator comic box is set up to be canon friendly, so to speak, with the Alien and Predator cinematic universe. Anything Predator takes place from the past to now. Predator featuring Dutch's brother doesn't fit as its never mentioned in later movies. Something like Aliens Earth Angel fits because its an isolated incident that wasnt documented by anyone. Aliens vs Predator set on Ryushi fits before Aliens as it ends without anyone even bothering to really investigate the incident. Same with Avp Duel which can be set almost immediately after Alien 3 AND of which legitimises quotes from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual. With that in mind, "the company" was pretty much forced by Colonial admins and the military alike to forewarn its colonies of the XT threat. Only higher up's having the facts leaving regular joe's passing along rumors. Lets not forget also about company cover ups such as Aliens Berserker. After Avp War, which brings Predators into the spotlight, We get the Fire and stone series which also isnt documented by anyone. Counting the big deletion as canon fortifies the fact that the military barely knew what xeno's were and where to find them. With Predator Incursions inclusion of another research vessel experimenting with xeno's a few years before Resurrection, i'd say its a solid fact General Perez was one of possibly a few army stooges with orders to investigate rumors of past xeno incidents and collect specimens if found. Perez getting lucky and finding Ripleys tissue samples on Fury. In short, if the incident isnt well documented or can be considered a cover up, it fits perfectly before Resurrection. Now, as Incursion states, Xenos and Predators are well known in the new farther future so anything where people mentioned Aliens as if the whole of humanity already knew fits perfectly in that timeline. Questions? Problems?
Lots of problems, but i'll just point out that Dark Horse was still considering the infestation of earth canon to the EU as late as 2009, when
Aliens:More than Human was released, which specifically references earths infestation.
I guess for all the rest I think we'll just have to agree to disagree :)
Oh yeah, I really liked More Than Human, is that all over now then? I really wanted to see where that crazy thing at the end was going :/
Yeah i always wondered why dark horse continued to reference earth being taken over with comics like Three World War which was ridiculous and went nowhere.
Did Thrill of the Hunt or Civilized Beasts introduce the Big Deletion?
I think it was Thrill of the Hunt, judging by its Wikia page...
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_vs._Predator:_Thrill_of_the_Hunt
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The Big Deletion
Thrill of the Hunt also attempts to explain the inconsistencies between the existing Aliens and Aliens vs. Predator comics and the film Alien Resurrection, in which General Perez states that the Xenomorph species has been extinct for the last 200 years — a fact that contradicts the comics, in which humanity had repeated interactions with the Xenomorphs in the interim, and the Earth itself even became infested and ravaged by the Xenomorphs, a monumental event that would take humanity close to a generation to recover from.
The principal way in which the comic attempts to clear up this inconsistency is through the introduction of "The Big Deletion": a galaxy-wide computer virus event which, it is explained, wiped out most of the extrasolar human colonies and much of the electronically stored information about mankind's past.
Not sure which, those I've talked to have said its in civilized beasts but I don't personally own either
Hehe, It's not like I do either ! ::)
Lol I'm trying trying to finish getting all the aliens only comics now, then Ill try to complete my set of avp comics. So eventually I'll have both :)
The Big Deletion is explained in Thrill of The Hunt.
Regardless of references to the Big Deletion, Civilized Beasts is a solid, enjoyable comic with good action and pacing.
I like it more than Life & Death issues 1 and 2
Civilized Beasts was surprisingly fantastic. Even more so when you consider how lackluster Thrill of the Hunt was.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 18, 2016, 07:53:11 AM
Civilized Beasts was surprisingly fantastic. Even more so when you consider how lackluster Thrill of the Hunt was.
Only bad thing about it is short length. Would've enjoyed a full series following Smiley, his clan, and (to a lesser extent) the human characters marooned on the planet
Out of curiosity, does Smiley survive? What happens at the end? All I know is that humans got trapped on the world thanks to Smiley and his clan. But have no idea what the plot is.
Just got my copy of The Weyland Yutani Files today!! No mention of Colonial Marines! Hah! Take that Gearbox! Also won an auction for a Palisades Queen Chestburster replica at a great deal! Damn today was great!!
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 18, 2016, 07:31:31 PM
Out of curiosity, does Smiley survive? What happens at the end? All I know is that humans got trapped on the world thanks to Smiley and his clan. But have no idea what the plot is.
Smiley does live at the end... dragging what I assume is the Queen's bludgeoned body.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 19, 2016, 04:36:41 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 18, 2016, 07:31:31 PM
Out of curiosity, does Smiley survive? What happens at the end? All I know is that humans got trapped on the world thanks to Smiley and his clan. But have no idea what the plot is.
Smiley does live at the end... dragging what I assume is the Queen's bludgeoned body.
Thanks Rakai.
Anyone read Dark Horse Presents #146? Picked that one up last year and was pleasantly surprised by the link to the original Aliens vs Predator series.
Defiance #4, Prometheus #2, and Predators vs Judge Dredd vs Aliens #1 are all live for pre-order on TFAW.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 19, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Anyone read Dark Horse Presents #146? Picked that one up last year and was pleasantly surprised by the link to the original Aliens vs Predator series.
Could you remind us?
Ah, yes! Sorry I thought it was a new one for some reason. I'm very fond of The Web!
Was not prepared for such a dark ending :o My jaw was literally dropped when i finished!
I have AvP Web pt1, never picked up or read part 2.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 19, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Anyone read Dark Horse Presents #146? Picked that one up last year and was pleasantly surprised by the link to the original Aliens vs Predator series.
What is the connection dude? I shamefully have not read it.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 21, 2016, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 19, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Anyone read Dark Horse Presents #146? Picked that one up last year and was pleasantly surprised by the link to the original Aliens vs Predator series.
What is the connection dude? I shamefully have not read it.
Robert Sheldon. The young boy who survived the first Predator attack on Ryushi.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 21, 2016, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 21, 2016, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 19, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Anyone read Dark Horse Presents #146? Picked that one up last year and was pleasantly surprised by the link to the original Aliens vs Predator series.
What is the connection dude? I shamefully have not read it.
Robert Sheldon. The young boy who survived the first Predator attack on Ryushi.
Oh nice. Thanks dude. What's the general premise ?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 21, 2016, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 21, 2016, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 19, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Anyone read Dark Horse Presents #146? Picked that one up last year and was pleasantly surprised by the link to the original Aliens vs Predator series.
What is the connection dude? I shamefully have not read it.
Robert Sheldon. The young boy who survived the first Predator attack on Ryushi.
*Mind Blown* :o
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 21, 2016, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 21, 2016, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 21, 2016, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 19, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Anyone read Dark Horse Presents #146? Picked that one up last year and was pleasantly surprised by the link to the original Aliens vs Predator series.
What is the connection dude? I shamefully have not read it.
Robert Sheldon. The young boy who survived the first Predator attack on Ryushi.
Oh nice. Thanks dude. What's the general premise ?
Spoiler
He goes batshit crazy and lures Predators into his trap. There's a section on it in my review of AvP Omnibus Volume 1. http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/avp-omnibus-volume-1/
Not to go off topic but speaking of AvP, I've always had the DH classics 6 issue re-run of the series from the late 90's. Only recently have I noticed that the coloring is different in all these pics from AvP in the omnibus and in the original run. Am I crazy or did they actually do a recolor for the classics 90's run? Can anyone confirm that?
It doesn't match the reprint that came with AvP 2010 either, which looks great BTW.
According to xenopedia it was recolored.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_Classics_-_Aliens_versus_Predator
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For the six-issue re-run, the story was recolored by Chris Chalenor and In-Color and re-edited by David Land. The cover artwork by Michael Dubisch was also created for the release.
i didnt like the coloring in this version much either. But it must be more consistent that in the original version.
I wish the entire original AvP could receive colouring like that of the 2010 AvP #0 re-release
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Quote from: happypred on Apr 22, 2016, 02:27:07 AM
I wish the entire original AvP could receive colouring like that of the 2010 AvP #0 re-release
It really needs to happen! I've been asking for it for 6 years now!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 22, 2016, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: happypred on Apr 22, 2016, 02:27:07 AM
I wish the entire original AvP could receive colouring like that of the 2010 AvP #0 re-release
It really needs to happen! I've been asking for it for 6 years now!
It needs to be completely recoloured with modern techniques and released in the same style of hardcover that fire and stone and the 30th anniversary edition of the original Aliens comic has been.
Thanks for the info on that avp story mate
I liked the golden Pred helmets :) That aside, and going a tad off subject, does anyone else have the feeling xeno's are going to be invading earth in Lebbons upcoming novels? If thats true, it could potentially legitimise any past comic that references the Alien takeover. Unless said comic referencs a xeno homeworld or xeno zip/royal jelly.
This is a pic from the late 90s reprint that is supposedly recolored (not very well either but maybe better than the original, I dunno)
Avp classics version and avp war pic added.
What you want is this fella -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/avp-volume1-12.jpg)
That is definitely the way better, do you have a pic of the original coloring of that page? Or is the one I posted the original color?
Same panel you posted earlier, I do believe.
Thanks Hicks,
I've been awfully confused, so there should only be two different coloration's for this series, the original and the one you posted.
For some reason Xenopedia had me thinking the series had been completely recolored already in the late 90's.
Apologies, after purchasing the WY Report i've concluded that the Big Deletion cannot fit into the newly established timeline. It could, however, take place between the time of Sea of Sorrows and Predator Incursion, as theres a couple hundred years of unrecorded history there, but i think there would have at least been some mention to a significant event such as that in the new trilogy of novels. So for now it's up in the air. But you cannot deny General Perez was being somewhat kept in the dark about the xenomorphs as were getting more and more stories of marines and company officials encountering the species after Ripley's sacrifice. Let's not also forget, BLOMKAMP, that the xenomorphs are probably infesting other countless worlds so saying someone died and wiped an entire species out when they've never even seen the origin of their presumption is f**king ridiculous! Pardon my french ;D
As things currently stand, there's no Big Deletion. The stories involving Aliens in the timeframe between Alien3 and Resurrection are currently confined to a small group of people on one planet, most of whom are dead.
If there was a Big Deletion post Resurrection (putting aside that such a thing would be redundant), surely Liliya would have either been affected or at least know about it?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 25, 2016, 07:28:54 AM
What you want is this fella -
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/avp-volume1-12.jpg
I actually love the original coloring, maybe nostalgia idk, but I always liked the 80s coloring most
Dark Horse's August 2016 solicitations are now live! As usual, be warned of spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-comics-august-2016-solicitations-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-kingsway-west (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-comics-august-2016-solicitations-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-kingsway-west)
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QuotePrometheus: Life and Death #3 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Andrea Mutti (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Aug 10
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
The Colonial Marines join forces with the survivors of the Fire and Stone story cycle and make a fateful decision to steal the Engineer's ship. But a second Engineer has awakened, and he's on the hunt for humans!
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Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
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FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Zula Hendricks and Davis are about to take on the xenomorph threat as well as a squad of hardened Colonial Marines intent on capturing a specimen in a large midspace fueling station. How far is Zula willing to go to stop her fellow combatants?
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QuotePredator vs. Judge Dredd vs. Aliens #2 (of 4)
John Layman (W), Chris Mooneyham (A), Michael Atiyeh (C), and Glenn Fabry (Cover/Variant cover)
On sale Aug 31
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Want to make apocalypse stew? Throw in four Judges, one insane genetic scientist, a smattering of emoji-based cultists, a dash of Predator, and a pinch of essence of xenomorph, mix, and retreat to the nearest bunker. In this issue, Dredd follows a criminal cult leader into the Alabama Morass. A crew of Predators arrives on Earth to rescue a kidnapped comrade. And they both unwittingly wander into the territory of a revenge-obsessed, gene-splicing scientist who's just gotten his hands on a xenomorph skull -- and the universe's deadliest DNA!
• Written by Eisner Award–winning, New York Times best-selling Chew creator John Layman!
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QuoteColonial Marines vs. Predators!
Predator: Life and Death TP
Dan Abnett (W), Brian Albert Thies (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Oct 12
FC, 96 pages
$14.99
TP, 7" x 10"
Colonial Marines on the planet Tartarus battle extraterrestrial hunters over the possession of a mysterious horseshoe-shaped spaceship of unknown origin. The Weyland-Yutani rep wants the ship, and the marine captain wants to protect her crew. But neither objective is likely when a band of Predators attacks! Collects issues #1–#4.
• Chapter one in the follow-up to the acclaimed Fire and Stone story cycle!
All I can say is
Spoiler
look at that Prometheus cover! I love the visual reference to the ten commandments, and it's good to see a chair suit. And we got our first mention of the FaS survivors, to boot! And given that they're trying to steal the Juggernaut, that raises hope that we won't be stuck on LV-223 for the whole event. I wonder where else our heroes may end up?
Such a great time to be a fan. Some cool covers there.
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 13, 2016, 01:35:13 AM
Dark Horse's August 2016 solicitations are now live! As usual, be warned of spoilers.
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QuotePrometheus: Life and Death #3 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Andrea Mutti (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Aug 10
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
The Colonial Marines join forces with the survivors of the Fire and Stone story cycle and make a fateful decision to steal the Engineer's ship. But a second Engineer has awakened, and he's on the hunt for humans!
Aliens on one side, Engineers on the other, and humans in the middle!
Aliens: Defiance #5 (August 31)
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QuoteAliens: Defiance #5
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
On sale Aug 31
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Zula Hendricks and Davis are about to take on the xenomorph threat as well as a squad of hardened Colonial Marines intent on capturing a specimen in a large midspace fueling station. How far is Zula willing to go to stop her fellow combatants?
Predator vs. Judge Dredd vs. Aliens #2 (August 31)
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QuotePredator vs. Judge Dredd vs. Aliens #2 (of 4)
John Layman (W), Chris Mooneyham (A), Michael Atiyeh (C), and Glenn Fabry (Cover/Variant cover)
On sale Aug 31
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Want to make apocalypse stew? Throw in four Judges, one insane genetic scientist, a smattering of emoji-based cultists, a dash of Predator, and a pinch of essence of xenomorph, mix, and retreat to the nearest bunker. In this issue, Dredd follows a criminal cult leader into the Alabama Morass. A crew of Predators arrives on Earth to rescue a kidnapped comrade. And they both unwittingly wander into the territory of a revenge-obsessed, gene-splicing scientist who's just gotten his hands on a xenomorph skull -- and the universe's deadliest DNA!
• Written by Eisner Award–winning, New York Times best-selling Chew creator John Layman!
Predator: Life and Death TP (October 12)
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QuoteColonial Marines vs. Predators!
Predator: Life and Death TP
Dan Abnett (W), Brian Albert Thies (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Oct 12
FC, 96 pages
$14.99
TP, 7" x 10"
Colonial Marines on the planet Tartarus battle extraterrestrial hunters over the possession of a mysterious horseshoe-shaped spaceship of unknown origin. The Weyland-Yutani rep wants the ship, and the marine captain wants to protect her crew. But neither objective is likely when a band of Predators attacks! Collects issues #1–#4.
• Chapter one in the follow-up to the acclaimed Fire and Stone story cycle!
All I can say is Spoiler
look at that Prometheus cover! I love the visual reference to the ten commandments, and it's good to see a chair suit. And we got our first mention of the FaS survivors, to boot! And given that they're trying to steal the Juggernaut, that raises hope that we won't be stuck on LV-223 for the whole event. I wonder where else our heroes may end up?
Why do I have this weird feeling that he's gonna drop that ampule?
Really awesome covers, I cannot wait to read these!
Thanks for the news. I'll post those up later on when The Predator stuff calms down. Some simply gorgeous covers there, not that I expect any different at the minute. :laugh:
I wonder if they actually have a plan for the accelerant this time.
Would you buy the Predator Life And Death TPB if you're a hardcore Alien/Prometheus fan but could care less about Predators?
Anyone know if there's an Aliens/Vampirella softcover TPB in the works. Can't stand hardcovers for some unknown reason.
Same for the WY report.
Thanks for the August Alien comic lineup!
Quote from: Nostromo on May 29, 2016, 12:54:57 PMWould you buy the Predator Life And Death TPB if you're a hardcore Alien/Prometheus fan but could care less about Predators?
You'd kinda have to, seeing as it's basically part one of a four-part story.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 29, 2016, 12:54:57 PMAnyone know if there's an Aliens/Vampirella softcover TPB in the works. Can't stand hardcovers for some unknown reason.
I wasn't aware there was a tpb of
Aliens/Vampirella at all, hardcover or otherwise.
Here is a link to the Aliens/Vampirella TPB: Aliens / Vampirella https://www.amazon.com/dp/1606909916/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_L2Usxb113CVFP
Quote from: Nostromo on May 29, 2016, 01:29:17 PMHere is a link to the Aliens/Vampirella TPB: Aliens / Vampirella https://www.amazon.com/dp/1606909916/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_L2Usxb113CVFP
Ah, OK. Thanks, I wasn't aware they were doing one!
The September solicitation are up! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/?p=220500 (http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/?p=220500)
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That Prometheus cover is amazing! :o
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Defiance and Prometheus covers are fantastic!
Spoiler
I cannot wait to see that climactic battle! And just think, we'll still just be halfway through Life and Death.
Ok,I didn't know this thread existed. Was wondering why the other threads on some of these topics were getting quiet.
Loving that Definace cover. New character?
She was in the FCBD short. We must meet her after the flashback issues. Maybe issue #5?
Nice looking facehuggers. They look more like crabs/lobsters/squidlike? Instead of the spider ones. They9 got character man. Look at em! ;D
PS: come to think of it it's probably just the top one that looks like that because of how it's been held away with force and trying to balance itself. Whoever drew that has great insight to actually bend it's legs like that..great stuff.
That girl on the cover of Defiance is about to have a bad couple of days...
I wrote a nice email to Dark Horse expressing my love for Defiance and thanking Tristan and Brian, I know its not much but I thought since the sales numbers were not great, a show of support would be warranted.
If i had money I would buy a bunch of copies and hand them out lol
Have they released sales figures?
I believe someone posted them in the Defiance thread, i'll go look. :)
Found it, Nostomo posted this:
Quote
Dang, sales are so-so...maybe need to step up the advertising or?
132/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #1 $3.99 DAR 16,256
179/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #2 $3.99 DAR 11,089
New interview with Abnett specifically about Life and Death. I haven't given it a listen yet, but plan to a bit later.
http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/ (http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 16, 2016, 02:18:51 PM
I believe someone posted them in the Defiance thread, i'll go look. :)
Found it, Nostomo posted this:
Quote
Dang, sales are so-so...maybe need to step up the advertising or?
132/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #1 $3.99 DAR 16,256
179/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #2 $3.99 DAR 11,089
What kind of numbers are considered successful?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 16, 2016, 03:30:06 PM
New interview with Abnett specifically about Life and Death. I haven't given it a listen yet, but plan to a bit later.
http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/ (http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/)
Thanks. Hopefully get chance to listen to this today.
QuoteWhat kind of numbers are considered successful?
I have no idea lol, I was just going off of Nostromo's reaction to the numbers. :D
I had seen some guys talking about numbers here, reading it again the numbers look good for Defiance.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=21973.150
vikingspawn
June 27, 2009, 01:13:19 PM
Q
Quote from: XenoVC on June 27, 2009, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: vikingspawn on June 26, 2009, 10:02:05 PM
ALIENS #1 sold very well and ranked #103 in the Top 300 of comics sold in May:
#103 - ALIENS #1 (OF 4) $3.50 DAR 19,598 (Estimated quantities)
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/15147.html
It's also the 4th best selling comic in May for Dark Horse.
Eh....you would think that a relaunch of a series like Aliens would do better.
19,500 is very good in todays plunging comic marketplace.
The Dark Horse/Star Wars comics sell in the early 20,000 range and those are thier best sellers. The last Indiana Jones mini series from last year only sold 14,000 and that had a movie in theaters to promote it. These numbers are better than I thought.
I think these high "Aliens" numbers will hopefully convince them to produce more regular monthly Aliens books soon. The "Predator" first issue numbers should be available in a few weeks.
The estimates in sales I am seeing are that Aliens Defiance #1 was the top Dark Horse seller in April with sales just over 16,000. In May Defiance # 2 sold just over 11,000 and was the the number four top seller for Dark Horse. Keep in mind, May was heavy in competition as we saw the launch of Civil War # 0 along with DC Universe Rebirth # 1, Punisher # 1, Captain America Steve Rogers # 1 and a new Deadpool series. Competition was crazy for Dark Horse and Aliens so comic readers had a lot to go after last month.
Looking at Fire and Stone Aliens numbers it sold just under 20,000 for issue one and didn't dip below 13,000 until issue four in comparison.
As for the question is it selling well? Aliens Defiance sold 16,000 in April in comparison (if that is even considered fair) Black Panther # 1, the top seller of the month, sold 253,000, Star Wars Poe Dameron # 1 sold 175,000 and was the second highest and Dark Knight III Master Race sold 143,000 and placed third. But Aliens did outsell well known series like James Bond and Back to the Future along with Injustice to name a few. So personally, I believe the numbers are around where Dark Horse projected them to be.
They should buy some advertising on this site and some others like Facebook/Scified...tweet it out through some Aliens network.
Hey, anyone know why Aliens: Defiance #3 is releasing in July? https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-852/Aliens-Defiance-3
Thought it was June for sure. Might as well give in and buy Prometheus #1 instead of waiting for the TPB's than.
Yeah, I don't know why there's no Defiance issue this month, but it might have something to do with needing a fill-in artist.
I can't wait for the next Defiance issue, I'm going through withdraws waiting lol.
I got my Prometheus #1 issue finally, that Dorman cover is the bee's knee's. The issue was alright, not much happened that I wasn't already expecting.
October solicitations are here! Beware of spoilers, as usual:
Aliens: Life and Death #2 (October 19)Spoiler
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QuoteLeave no man behind!
Aliens: Life and Death #2 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Moritat (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Oct 19
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Up till now, the Colonial Marines have been reacting to attacks by the Predators and the Engineers. But having escaped LV-223, they make the decision to return and fight -- against the deadliest adversaries in the galaxy!
• Aliens versus Colonial Marines!
Predator vs. Judge Dredd vs. Aliens #4 (October 26)Spoiler
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Quote"An epic face-off." -- Comic Book Resources
Predator vs. Judge Dredd vs. Aliens #4 (of 4)
John Layman (W), Chris Mooneyham (A), Michael Atiyeh (C), and Glenn Fabry (Cover/Variant cover)
On sale Oct 26
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Road trip! The mad, gene-splicing scientist Dr. Reinstöt is having the best summer ever as he hits the road toward Mega-City One. He's got a sweet ride: a stolen Predator ship! He's got his new BFF, the murderous Archbishop Emoji, riding shotgun. And he's got snacks... or maybe he is a snack... for his homegrown crew of xenomorphs. Spoilsport Judge Dredd and his killjoy Predator friends are hot on their tail, trying to ruin everyone's fun, but Dr. Reinstöt has a secret weapon that will keep the party going. Until the end of time! Which might be tomorrow, if Reinstöt has his way. Either way, it's going to be a killer time.
• Copublished with IDW and 2000 AD!
• Pencil variant cover by Glenn Fabry.
No
Aliens: Defiance that month? :'(
Just re-read the Aliens: L&D solicitation, and
Spoiler
it's pretty ironic that the Marines seem to be going back to rescue Galgo. :laugh: I just want to see Lorimer's face when he realizes how much exploitable xenotech is on the planet.
Once again, superb artwork!
November solicitations are here!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-november-2016-solicitations-buffy-season-11-ether-forbidden-brides-more (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-november-2016-solicitations-buffy-season-11-ether-forbidden-brides-more)
Aliens: Life and Death #3 (November 16)Spoiler
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QuoteTo the Last Man!
Aliens: Life and Death #3 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Moritat (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Nov 16
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Having returned to LV-223 to save one of their own, Captain Paget and her Colonial Marines find themselves once again stranded -- and facing an army of xenomorphs!
"Delivering the right connections to the larger franchise and their mythologies." -- Fandom Post
Aliens: Defiance #7 (November 30)Spoiler
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QuoteAliens: Defiance #7
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Riccardo Bruchielli (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Stephanie Hans (Cover)
On sale Nov 30
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
In the aftermath of the intense battle against the Colonial Marines, Zula Hendricks and Davis have gone from being merely AWOL to full-blown traitors. As they drift into a quiet part of space to recover and regroup, new crew member Dr. Hollis discovers something in the medical bay that changes everything. Sometimes evil comes from within.
• Artist Stephanie Hans joins the team on covers!
• The second arc begins here!
Prometheus: Life and Death TPB (Jan 11)Spoiler
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QuoteEngineering terror!
Prometheus: Life and Death TP
Dan Abnett (W), Andrea Mutti (A), Rain Beredo (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Jan 11
FC, 96 pages
$14.99
TP, 7" x 10"
Colonial Marines commandeer an alien spacecraft. But instead of returning to Earth, they end up on LV-223 (from the Prometheus film)!
This is the second chapter in the Life and Death story cycle -- the follow-up to 2015's epic Fire and Stone crossover event. Before this tale is complete, the story lines of Predator, Prometheus, Aliens, and Aliens vs. Predator will all converge! Collects issues #1–#4.
"Artist Andrea Mutti is clearly influenced by H. R. Giger's artwork in the original Alien films. Each page manages to balance an action packed story, and superb artwork." -- Graphic Policy
Aliens: Defiance Volume 1 (Jan 25)Spoiler
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QuoteAliens: Defiance Volume 1 TP
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
On sale Jan 25
FC, 160 pages
$19.99
TP, 7" x 10"
Battling demons from her past while fighting for her life, Colonial Marine Private First Class Zula Hendricks, in the company of Weyland-Yutani synthetics, is forced to question her strength and loyalty when the discovery of an insidious alien species on a derelict hauler sends her on a dangerous journey across the stars. Collects issues #1–#6 and the 2016 FCBD story "Extravehicular."
"This is beautifully frightening: a love letter to fans that will make their chests explode in joy." -- SciFiPulse
I'm loving that
Life and Death cover!
Fantastic! I've pre-ordered Volume 1 of Defiance but I'm still holding out for a fancy pants hardback for Life and Death!
Nice, thanks for the previews!, I've also pre ordered all 3 available Alien TPB's:
Your Orders
Prometheus: Life and Death
Abnett, Dan
Sold by: Amazon.com.ca, Inc.
CDN$ 17.61
Release date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017
Aliens: Defiance Volume 1
Wood, Brian
Sold by: Amazon.com.ca, Inc.
CDN$ 22.90
Release date: Tuesday, February 7, 2017
Aliens: Life and Death
Abnett, Dan
Sold by: Amazon.com.ca, Inc.
CDN$ 17.61
Release date: Tuesday, April 25, 2017
some great looking covers!
Love the Aliens L&D cover especially.
Spoiler
The Defiance cover makes me think Zula has a chestburster in her, although it could be the other woman we met in Extra-Vehicular
Considering the synopsis, I think that's quite likely.
DH's December solicitations are here! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-december-2016-solicits-alien-vs-predator-death-inside-more/ (http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-december-2016-solicits-alien-vs-predator-death-inside-more/)
Fixed the link!
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 14, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
DH's December solicitations are here! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-december-2016-solicits-alien-vs-predator-death-inside-more/ (http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-december-2016-solicits-alien-vs-predator-death-inside-more/)
Fixed the link!
Thanks! 3 Alien titles that month :)
Defiance cover is meh but the aliens life and death cover is sweet, avp covers are decent
I find that the Defiance covers consistently underperform in relation to the inside art. It is usually the other way around.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:16:54 AM
I find that the Defiance covers consistently underperform in relation to the inside art. It is usually the other way around.
Same here. Some of the worst covers I've ever seen.
Swanland should be doing the covers for this series.
He should also do a cover for the life and death fancypantz edition, if they do one.
It's an interesting cover though - Aliens in the jungle!
Continuing to love the Defiance covers. Liking the synopsis too.
Also, some of those AVP covers are sweet. I wonder if one will be another 30th anniversary deal?
January solicitations are here!
http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-january-2017-solicitations/ (http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-january-2017-solicitations/)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 12, 2016, 10:23:28 PM
January solicitations are here!
http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-january-2017-solicitations/ (http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-january-2017-solicitations/)
Ah nice thx again.
As great as Defiance is I'm really not liking most of their covers. That is one shitty looking Alien. Looks like the Alien from the Life & Death series or some other poorly drawn alien comic with the wide open jaw. It sucks 2/10. Thank God the inside is 10/10.
As for the L&D cover...it's as good as it's story. I think it's time to tell the guy at the shop to stop keeping me this series and just get me the TPB. It doesn't deserve to be bought twice in both formats like Defiance and Dead Orbit soon.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 12, 2016, 10:23:28 PM
January solicitations are here!
http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-january-2017-solicitations/ (http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-january-2017-solicitations/)
Thanks for the share Ultramorph.
I'm really liking the Defiance covers :laugh:
Not as good as the interior art but I still think they're decent.
Liking the sound of the synopsis too.
That Defiance cover is really cool. I like where the story is going, too.
Spoiler
We've never really seen the good guys capture a xeno and use it, barring Female War.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 13, 2016, 10:41:59 AM
I like where the story is going, too. Spoiler
We've never really seen the good guys capture a xeno and use it, barring Female War.
I'm digging the moral complications of them
Spoiler
using the Alien as a weapon though. It's the thing they're actively fighting against and they end up doing it themselves!
Defiance #9 and AVP:L&D #2 are up for pre-order on TFAW.
I wish Tristian Jones was doing the art for all Aliens Defiance comics or all aliens comics for that matter :( the aliens life and death series art was soo deplorable at least in #1
I abandoned The Life and Death series after Predator #2. I can't tolerate averageness, much less the idea of Predators and Engineers co-existing. I'm out. I still buy Defiance but so far nothing has topped issues 1 and 2. If there is to be less and less of Tristan's art, I fear this series may be on a downward trajectory.
Just read Alien L&D and well hallifrigginlooya! Finally a nice issue! This one actually took almost twice the smount of time to read that the first one. Now I'm liking the story! No arguing and bittering amongst characters just good old planning and taking action. Could it be because Galgo is not around?
I was wondering where he was until he finally showed up and damn that was funny...llooks like he's been beating around the bushes down there. You actually feel for him this time. Though I hope he doesn't steal the dropship again.
Anyhow, art and story were pretty good in this one! Issue 3 should be great!
It's good that help has arrived. I feel like I was stuck on that planet with the crew forever. If that was the whole intention, it worked. Would have been nice if they had explored more Engineer installations & tombs but I guess if you're just trying to survive...
I expected more from L&D and from Abnett
The series is just...OK...mediocre...disappointing actually
The story, the action, the art style...everything is merely passable
I really like the last page, although it reminded me of Sam Keith's Aliens art.
I really liked Aliens L&D #2, art still leaves a lot to be desired though.
Also my delivery person left the package out in the rain and it was ruined. A very soggy issue. :-\
I really like my massive oversized hardback compilation of all the Fire & Stone series... But my bookshelf is a little off-balance at the moment, will this series be coming out in as equally as lavish a package?
Quote from: Everlasting Undead on Oct 27, 2016, 07:51:11 PM
I really like my massive oversized hardback compilation of all the Fire & Stone series... But my bookshelf is a little off-balance at the moment, will this series be coming out in as equally as lavish a package?
There has. It been a announcement yet but i would say it is likely. The complete edition won't be solicited till at least all the trades have been released.
I'll hold off then... I can wait, I guess.
Dark Horse'a February 2017 solicitations are up! Beware of spoilers, as usual.
http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-february-2017-solicitations/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list (http://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-february-2017-solicitations/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list)
Spoiler
It will be kind of cool if Defiance takes us to Earth. We don't get to see it too much, even in the comics.
That AVP cover is pretty awesome, too!
The March 2017 solicitations are up. Beware of spoilers! I was hoping the Omega issue of Life and Death would be out in March, but it looks like we'll have to wait until April.
http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/dark-horse-comics-march-2017-solicitations/ (http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/dark-horse-comics-march-2017-solicitations/)
As per usual, that Defiance cover and synopsis gets thumbs up from me.
It feels like that is winding down. How many issues are there going to be in Defiance? 12?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2016, 09:25:16 AM
It feels like that is winding down. How many issues are there going to be in Defiance? 12?
It's 12 issues, yeah. There has been talk of the series continuing, from Tristan I think, a while back, if the sales were good but I think that there is a finite story being told in the 12 issues we are getting.
Any get the impression that this "freefalling" is where extravehicular fits in ? I know Tristan said things have changed slightly over time since that was released.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 15, 2016, 09:33:23 AMAny get the impression that this "freefalling" is where extravehicular fits in ? I know Tristan said things have changed slightly over time since that was released.
It'd certainly fit in with what the synopsis gives away.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 15, 2016, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 15, 2016, 09:33:23 AMAny get the impression that this "freefalling" is where extravehicular fits in ? I know Tristan said things have changed slightly over time since that was released.
It'd certainly fit in with what the synopsis gives away.
Spoiler
i wonder if the strangely shaped headed alien in extra vehiclular is the same creature That Hollis just extracted ?
At last, April solicitations are here!
Aliens: Dead Orbit #1 (of 4) - April 2016Spoiler
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QuoteJames Stokoe (W/A/Cover) and Geof Darrow (Variant cover)
On sale Apr 26
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
After a horrific accident strikes a space station, an engineering officer must use all available tools—a timer, utility kit, and his wits—to survive an attack from the deadliest creature known to man.
Orc Stain creator James Stokoe pens a thrilling and claustrophobic Aliens story: Dead Orbit!
On sale on Alien Day: 4/26/17!
Aliens: Defiance #12 - May 31Spoiler
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QuoteBrian Wood (W), Stephen Thompson (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Stephanie Hans (Cover)
On sale May 31
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
After her return to Earth, Zula Hendricks fully expects to answer for her defiance. But instead of military tribunals, what she experiences is a chilling look into the future of warfare, courtesy of Weyland-Yutani's R&D labs. Her mission may not be over just yet.
"Defiance . . . has the potential to be the new benchmark. Go get it."—Hulking Reviewer
Prometheus: Life and Death One-Shot - April 26Spoiler
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QuoteDan Abnett (W), Brian Albert Thies (A), Rain Beredo (C), David Palumbo (Cover), and Sachin Teng (Variant cover)
On sale Apr 26
FC, 48 pages
$5.99
One-shot
The surviving Colonial Marines on the planet LV-223 face a final battle with an injured and enraged Engineer—and, somewhere out in space, three trapped humans seek to change the course of the Engineer's ship . . . and possibly the history of humanity!
The final installment of the Life and Death saga!
Does that one-shot not get its own title, like Omega did?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 25, 2017, 11:04:16 AM
Does that one-shot not get its own title, like Omega did?
I was wondering that. I assumed it was going to be called Omega like Fire and Stones Epilogue
Pretty sweet cover for Dead Orbit and Prometheus L&D.
It's too bad that the engineers in L&D have been featured more on the covers than in the actual stories. Once again they are underutilized just like in F&S and seem to serve no purpose other than to be a vague threat.
I'm hoping Life and Dead ends with
Spoiler
Foster and company getting my control of the ship and going to Paradise, and that there's a sequel tying into Covenant.
The May solicitations are up.
http://majorspoilers.com/2017/02/18/solicitations-dark-horse-comics-may-2017/ (http://majorspoilers.com/2017/02/18/solicitations-dark-horse-comics-may-2017/)
Predator: Hunters (May 3, 2017)Spoiler
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QuoteChris Warner (W), Francisco Ruiz Velasco (A/Variant cover), and Doug Wheatley (Cover)
On sale May 3
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Space aliens have been coming to Earth for centuries—but not with any message of brotherhood or peace. They're here to hunt the toughest, most dangerous humans they can find. Only now their former prey have teamed up against them. Predators, watch your backs!
• Written by Predator comic series veteran Chris Warner!
• Art by Francisco Ruiz Velasco.
• Covers feature special metallic ink!
Aliens: Dead Orbit #2 (May 31, 2017)Spoiler
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QuoteJames Stokoe (W/A/Cover)
On sale May 31
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Having narrowly escaped the deadly xenomorph, Wascylewski moves around the hold of the ship, wary of his terrifying pursuer. His reflexes are tested again—but this time, by a sudden, massive breach in the hull. Will he survive?
Orc Stain creator James Stokoe pens a thrilling and claustrophobic Aliens story: Dead Orbit!
• Look for the Alien: Covenant motion picture on May 19, 2017!
Lovin the art, especially that Dead Orbit cover! Pure awesome-sauce. :)
New solicits for Aliens: Dead Orbit #3 28th June and Predator: Hunters #2 7th June
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-288/Aliens-Dead-Orbit-3
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-554/Predator-Hunters-2
Great cover art on both
I thought so.
I am really am looking forward to Dead Orbit
Hope it's relevant to the story
Love me some feral predators a la Predator Captive
(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/300/30/30554.jpg)
(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/600/30/30288.jpg)
(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/600/30/30554.jpg)
These look great. Really looking forward to seeing where both go.
Godzilla: The Half-Century War was SO good, both from an art and story perspective. The fact that Stokoe did both has me SO psyched for Dead Orbit.
Quote from: Fanboy Ben on Mar 23, 2017, 05:58:20 PM
Godzilla: The Half-Century War was SO good, both from an art and story perspective. The fact that Stokoe did both has me SO psyched for Dead Orbit.
I bought that when I found out about this title. Did my research. In total agreement dude. It was great.
I'm confident we will get a read Aliens Comic from him.
Half Century War was great! I loved how it bridged all the different eras together.
Hoping Dead Orbit is great.
The Penguin website has an extended summary for the AVP: Life and Death collected edition, and it sheds some more light on the Prometheus one-shot:
https://penguin.com.au/books/alien-vs-predator-life-and-death-9781506701691 (https://penguin.com.au/books/alien-vs-predator-life-and-death-9781506701691)
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QuoteThe graphic novel cycle of Life and Death comes to a conclusion, intersecting with the previous Fire and Stone story cycle to create a massive tale of humanity's confrontation with the galaxy's three greatest terrors!
Three women face three extraterrestrial terrors!
-Captain Paget must forge an alliance with the bloodthirsty Predators to aid her Colonial Marines against a gathering horde of Aliens. But what if the enemy of her enemy is also her enemy?
-Chris has an embryonic Alien Queen growing inside her. She knows this day must end in her death, but is there a way her demise can save her friends?
-Angela leads a party trapped aboard a spacecraft controlled by one of the enigmatic, god-like Engineers. The ship is headed for Earth—for home—but arriving there may doom humanity.
Series Overview: Collects the four-issue series Alien vs. Predator: Life and Death and the double-sized Prometheus: Life and Death—Final Conflict
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 30, 2017, 02:14:51 AM
The Penguin website has an extended summary for the AVP: Life and Death collected edition, and it sheds some more light on the Prometheus one-shot:
https://penguin.com.au/books/alien-vs-predator-life-and-death-9781506701691 (https://penguin.com.au/books/alien-vs-predator-life-and-death-9781506701691)
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QuoteThe graphic novel cycle of Life and Death comes to a conclusion, intersecting with the previous Fire and Stone story cycle to create a massive tale of humanity's confrontation with the galaxy's three greatest terrors!
Three women face three extraterrestrial terrors!
-Captain Paget must forge an alliance with the bloodthirsty Predators to aid her Colonial Marines against a gathering horde of Aliens. But what if the enemy of her enemy is also her enemy?
-Chris has an embryonic Alien Queen growing inside her. She knows this day must end in her death, but is there a way her demise can save her friends?
-Angela leads a party trapped aboard a spacecraft controlled by one of the enigmatic, god-like Engineers. The ship is headed for Earth—for home—but arriving there may doom humanity.
Series Overview: Collects the four-issue series Alien vs. Predator: Life and Death and the double-sized Prometheus: Life and Death—Final Conflict
I was just popping in to point out the one shot had a new title, Final Conflict.
I'm glad they changed the title, it makes more sense.
Bleeding Cool has a short preview of the Prometheus one shot. Nothing too spoilery.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/12/exclusive-previews-buffy-season-11-6-prometheus-life-death-one-shot/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/12/exclusive-previews-buffy-season-11-6-prometheus-life-death-one-shot/)
I'm tempted to take a personal day for Alien Day! :laugh:
i wonder one shot story will be link Covenant ?
https://www.firstcomicsnews.com/dark-horse-comics-june-2017-solicitations-2/
Link to July comic solicits
Aliens: Dead orbit #4 and Predator: Hunters #3 along with Aliens: Defiance vol 2 TPB are featured.
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I'm liking this variant. Love a Predator with a sword.
Not sure I like the style of the variant but yeah, a Predator with his own sword is cool as f**k
They kept teasing a Pred with a sword in Life and Death
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Guy didn't get much of a chance to wield it
The original Predator was supposed to have a sword too, but they dropped it.
As in Jungle Hunter ?
I didn't know that
Yeah. It was designed to slip into his backpack, but they dropped it because the handle kept catching on his dreds when Kevin Peter Hall turned his head.
Omegamorph talked about it on his Monster Legacy blog, but I can't find the article off-hand.
Cool. Is there any art or production pics you know of showing the look of the sword ?
Found a couple from Omega's blog (hope he doesn't mind me sharing them).
(https://i2.wp.com/monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/predatorsuitbts.jpg?w=700&h=&crop&ssl=1)
(https://i2.wp.com/monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/predatorsuittesting.jpg?w=370&h=&crop&ssl=1)
I definitely think that they made the right decision in dropping it.
I can't say I'm a particular fan of that design, but I do like the idea of a Predator armed with a sword.
That looks like some kind of Predator machete, something you'd bring into a jungle to cut vines out of your way and stab elite commandos Jason Voorhees style.
Thanks for the pics HuDa. Yeah. I love the idea of a Predator with a sword but that design looks a bit too human. Also not very long. Something a bit more high tech in the same vain as the Spear from the second movie might work better.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 20, 2017, 09:30:13 PM
Thanks for the pics HuDa. Yeah. I love the idea of a Predator with a sword but that design looks a bit too human. Also not very long. Something a bit more high tech in the same vain as the Spear from the second movie might work better.
Yeah, or like that really cool sword the Elder Predator had in the comic where he got the flintlock from, the sword could extend and retract and had a cool bronze colour. I hope we see something like that in a Predator film, alien looking retractable swords.
I just want a Predator sword with an Alien tongue as the handle.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 21, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
I just want a Predator sword with an Alien tongue as the handle.
Awesome idea
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 21, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
I just want a Predator sword with an Alien tongue as the handle.
That'd be really cool to see.
No review of Defiance #11 or the Prometheus one-shot. Must be embargoing everything coming out tomorrow.
Not everything. Dead Orbit has lots of reviews out. Some released over the weekend.
Update: http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/aliens-defiance-11/
A review for Defiance #11.
Some spoilers in this one.
Another review of #11, this one negative. Beware of spoilers.
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/04/25/aliens-defiance-11-review/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/04/25/aliens-defiance-11-review/)
Here's hoping this series doesn't fall apart in the last two issues.
I have my fears that will happen. It feels like the series is heading to an unsatisfactory ending.
Found two review for the Prometheus one-shot, both are postive and contain spoilers, especially the first one..
https://bigcomicpage.com/2017/04/26/review-prometheus-life-and-death-final-conflict-dark-horse/ (https://bigcomicpage.com/2017/04/26/review-prometheus-life-and-death-final-conflict-dark-horse/)
http://www.geekedoutnation.com/comic-book-review-prometheus-life-and-death-one-shot/ (http://www.geekedoutnation.com/comic-book-review-prometheus-life-and-death-one-shot/)
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Time travel?!?! :o Also, DH digital has the first 3 pages and we get to see some awesome Engineer murals.
Just read the one-shot, and I felt a bit disappointed after a year. It wasn't bad, just wasn't spectacular.
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The Engineer mural was cool, and I can't help but be excited that they played up the "moved through time" angle a bit more. Where/when do you think Foster and company ended up? Paradise? Ancient Earth?
I'm sure the sequel will be interesting.
Will we get life and death sequel ?
I assume so, if sales were good enough. They'll also have toys from Covenant to play with once the movie comes out.
Some more thoughts, with Covenant spoilers:
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Back in the Prometheus: L&D mini, he said that maybe the Engineers are afraid of what we would do with the goo. I really wonder if the Engineers in this know about David's massacre of the Engineers on Paradise.
I also found it interesting how Singer and Foster say that the Engineers' pose an existential threat to humanity. It's also like a justification for them being wiped out.
I also wonder if they wind up on LV-223 in the distant past at the end. Fire and Stone already raised the possibility that the mural from Prometheus depicts Elden, so who knows. I really hope this time travel angle gets follow d up on.
here Engineer mural
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about story
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i don't think their time travel
Read the prometheus one shot, this was one of my favorite issues of the series, but kinda anti-climactic.
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Both engineers were disposed of fairly easily. The time travel thing threw me off a bit
But overall i enjoyed it, but not worth buying the fancy pantz edition if they make one though.
I'm really not a fan of
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time travel, it could really mess up the timeline and just doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it belongs in the Alien and Predator universe. It's something that fits in Terminator or Star Trek or Back To The Future. Alien should remain grounded in my opinion.
So, how does it happen in the story and how do the characters actually know they
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went through time? I mean, it's an alien ship and they just landed on a strange world, how would they know they went through time? What do they measure it against?
It's one thing to land on Earth and see dinosaurs lol. (Even in that case, it might not even be Earth but another seeded world with dinosauroids.)
If
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time travel really must be involved, I hope it's done as a "skip to the future" only, like go so fast through space that you can end up thousands of years ahead (aka time dilation, something that often happens in sci fi and I think there's proof of it in real life too). Please no going back, it could truly f**k everything up and be used as a cheap excuse for inconsistencies.
Not to mention it could make the universe feel so small. I really hope Elden is not that thing in the Mural in Prometheus, it was cool to see him just be another victim of the Goo.
What next? The Engineers are future humans going back to seed themselves? The potential to turn this into a convoluted clusterf**k makes me concerned.
This is why I hate time travel.
I hope the characters were just confused and not fully understanding the way the alien technology functions so they just jumped to lots of conclusions. Or were going a bit cuckoo, they were stranded on a nightmare moon for a while so who knows?
My Theory
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their go paradise and misunderstood think that their time travel
Quote from: gantarat on Apr 27, 2017, 06:22:47 AM
My Theory
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their go paradise and misunderstood think that their time travel
Exactly, that would make so much more sense.
In fact
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people say the Engineer city in Covenant is more like Ancient Rome.
So they see some Engineer structures and pillars and are immediately reminded of Roman or Greek infrastructure and assume they are on Earth in ancient times.
It would be a cool twist to make us believe it's time travel but it's in fact an Engineer city modelled after ancient human cities.
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Paradise would seem to be the next logical place to take the comics after Covenant comes out. I just find it strange how they were so upfront about the time travel possibility, when it was only mildly alluded to by Elden in the last arc. Fox OKed it, so who knows.
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Weren't there rumours of time travel shenanigans for Alien: Covenant? Perhaps this is confirmation that Scott is indeed going down that path? I can't say I'm pleased with that idea... That said, the mutilated Engineer was quite scary to look at and I can't help but think that the Black Goo won't let his guts go to waste.
Final Conflict was enjoyable, if anti-climactic. I'm glad that it seems to be setting up future installments in the series, if they'd actually had this all as a single comic line this would be issue 34 and that's not a number to shake a stick at. Hopefully anything in the future will be released under a single label rather than jumping between titles.
I've just got done reading it and to be perfectly honest, there's nothing that supports the idea that they
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travelled through time.
It's just characters speculating.
"Given how advanced they are, they could travel through time as easily as space", no proof of them being able to do it, just someone speculating because of how advanced the Engineers seem. He does say "or they're an immeasurably ancient culture" as well.
Plus the ending, "we could be anywhere or anywhen" again does not prove they just travelled through time, it's just someone pondering on their situation judging by their discussions earlier regarding the possibility of time travel of the Engineers.
I think they just landed on Paradise and it makes sense because the last two comic series of this style were all set or led up to being set on LV-223 which was where Prometheus was.
With Alien Covenant being on Paradise, expect Angela, Humble and Singer to have their adventure on Paradise. Maybe Predators land there and hunt some Neomorphs too.
It's very likely to be set in the "present" of when Life and Death takes place.
As for will there be time travel? Who knows? I really, really hope not as that just doesn't mesh well with the grounded universe of Alien.
If it's so casual for them, did they really have to waste 2,000 years? Most of the Engineer's current problems could be solved by going back.
Disaster on LV-223? No worries, go back and undo it.
Humanity a disappointment? No worries, go back and wipe them out when they're Australopithecines.
See? It really just f**ks it up and I hope they stay the hell away from that concept.
Overall, it's a good comic and I am glad that thing was only left to speculation and not outright shown.
Thank God.
I can't say I really read much into the
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time travel comment. It seemed somewhat off-handed. I hope you guys are reading too much into that and it isn't a driving factor of the next series. It's just so out of place.
Overall, I didn't think it was terrible but it wasn't amazing either. As someone above mentioned, the Engineers were a little anti-climatic and not too much happened really. I still like Thies' artwork though.
The more I think about it,
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I'm pretty sure it's Paradise they're landing on at the end. I just makes sense as the next place to take the comics. It's funny how Foster keeps chasing these disastrous expeditions.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 02, 2017, 07:22:57 PM
I can't say I really read much into the Spoiler
time travel comment. It seemed somewhat off-handed. I hope you guys are reading too much into that and it isn't a driving factor of the next series. It's just so out of place.
Overall, I didn't think it was terrible but it wasn't amazing either. As someone above mentioned, the Engineers were a little anti-climatic and not too much happened really. I still like Thies' artwork though.
Agreed man, it is so out of place and the comment was much more like off handed speculation. As I said before, how would they possibly know anyway?
Yeah not into time travel in this series, hope they drop that.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 04, 2017, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 02, 2017, 07:22:57 PM
I can't say I really read much into the Spoiler
time travel comment. It seemed somewhat off-handed. I hope you guys are reading too much into that and it isn't a driving factor of the next series. It's just so out of place.
Overall, I didn't think it was terrible but it wasn't amazing either. As someone above mentioned, the Engineers were a little anti-climatic and not too much happened really. I still like Thies' artwork though.
Agreed man, it is so out of place and the comment was much more like off handed speculation. As I said before, how would they possibly know anyway?
Yeah Singer had no real way of knowing, but they were definitely pushing that angle. I'm not sure they'll be following this up anytime soon.
Hicks since you already watch Covenant. You Think fox will Reboot "EU" again ?
Not yet. Depends where they're going with the sequels and definitive answers.
Dark Horse August solicits are out.
Just Predator: Hunters #4
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-556/Predator-Hunters-4
Also, although not Alien or Predator related, there is going to be a hardcover released for the original Terminator comics. The same hardcover type as the Aliens and Predator original comics hardcover that are being released. Just thought I'd add that.
Anyone think the time travel angle could have been added because of the David revelation in Covenant? It IS a way to keep the xenomorphs having been around for thousands of year intact. Wouldn't surprise me if Dark Horse had insider info way before the movie came out.
Don't think so. The Life & Death storyline line was mapped out at the start of last year.
Yeah but the Prometheus one shot pretty much just came out. The time travel thing could have been added last minute. If I recall correctly, it is only ever brought up in the one shot.
It wasn't a last minute thing.
Fire and Stone, which was released 2-3 years ago now, had to be changed because of the direction they were taking Alien: Covenant (then Prometheus 2). I think it'd be safe to say Dark Horse had an idea of what Covenant had in store.
There are definitely thematic hints of things to come Fire and Stone. DH had a rough outline of what the plan was for the next film. I'm still interested to see on which end the time travel thing originated.
Didn't Fire and Stone also show trees being grown by the Black Goo? Since there wasn't a forest when Prometheus arrived and now there's a biomechanical jungle.
Also I recall the human survivors mentioning how the food was getting more corrupted, I can't recall if the food was crops and plants as well as the animals. If it was plants, that could contradict with what David said about the Black Goo only affecting non-plant life. Unless his Goo was a modified version.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 31, 2017, 03:33:47 PM
Didn't Fire and Stone also show trees being grown by the Black Goo? Since there wasn't a forest when Prometheus arrived and now there's a biomechanical jungle.
Also I recall the human survivors mentioning how the food was getting more corrupted, I can't recall if the food was crops and plants as well as the animals. If it was plants, that could contradict with what David said about the Black Goo only affecting non-plant life. Unless his Goo was a modified version.
The line between what is and isn't an animal or plant is very murky, even more so when we picture extraterrestrial organisms. It's possible that the "jungle" was in fact an "animal" but simply looked and behaved like a plant. There are numerous examples of this in real life with things like sea anenomes, urchins and coral which are all "animals" despite the fact that they behave and look like plants. This is especially likely when you consider that all the ecological niches which would have been filled by flora were empty on Lv223.
That all said... Sir Scott is making it hard for me to defend things. :P
What we know for sure is that ALL Aliens in F&S+L&D come from the Hadley's Hope incident, so as long as Ridley doesn't kick Aliens out of canon entirely and turn this into a reboot (which I think he may) then so far everything in the new EU still fits.
It all fits except Rage War and anything that says the xenos are ancient.
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 31, 2017, 04:03:33 PM
It all fits except Rage War and anything that says the xenos are ancient.
Well... In Rage War they're technically ancient by then... Right? ;)
Maybe we'll see an encounter with the DogFaces in future movies? Maybe David offed them too? It only SEEMS like they're ancient? ???
Geez... I wonder how many franchises can boast that nearly every single film is a new franchise? David's Odyssey, Vanilla Alien, Aliens, Beyond the Third Film, Aliens vs Predator and technically Vanilla Predator... Geez, six that I can think of in just the films... :(
Quote from: Kurai on May 31, 2017, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 31, 2017, 03:33:47 PM
Didn't Fire and Stone also show trees being grown by the Black Goo? Since there wasn't a forest when Prometheus arrived and now there's a biomechanical jungle.
Also I recall the human survivors mentioning how the food was getting more corrupted, I can't recall if the food was crops and plants as well as the animals. If it was plants, that could contradict with what David said about the Black Goo only affecting non-plant life. Unless his Goo was a modified version.
The line between what is and isn't an animal or plant is very murky, even more so when we picture extraterrestrial organisms. It's possible that the "jungle" was in fact an "animal" but simply looked and behaved like a plant. There are numerous examples of this in real life with things like sea anenomes, urchins and coral which are all "animals" despite the fact that they behave and look like plants. This is especially likely when you consider that all the ecological niches which would have been filled by flora were empty on Lv223.
That all said... Sir Scott is making it hard for me to defend things. :P
What we know for sure is that ALL Aliens in F&S+L&D come from the Hadley's Hope incident, so as long as Ridley doesn't kick Aliens out of canon entirely and turn this into a reboot (which I think he may) then so far everything in the new EU still fits.
Those are some really good points.
Quote from: Kurai on May 31, 2017, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 31, 2017, 03:33:47 PM
Didn't Fire and Stone also show trees being grown by the Black Goo? Since there wasn't a forest when Prometheus arrived and now there's a biomechanical jungle.
Also I recall the human survivors mentioning how the food was getting more corrupted, I can't recall if the food was crops and plants as well as the animals. If it was plants, that could contradict with what David said about the Black Goo only affecting non-plant life. Unless his Goo was a modified version.
The line between what is and isn't an animal or plant is very murky, even more so when we picture extraterrestrial organisms. It's possible that the "jungle" was in fact an "animal" but simply looked and behaved like a plant. There are numerous examples of this in real life with things like sea anenomes, urchins and coral which are all "animals" despite the fact that they behave and look like plants. This is especially likely when you consider that all the ecological niches which would have been filled by flora were empty on Lv223.
That all said... Sir Scott is making it hard for me to defend things. :P
What we know for sure is that ALL Aliens in F&S+L&D come from the Hadley's Hope incident, so as long as Ridley doesn't kick Aliens out of canon entirely and turn this into a reboot (which I think he may) then so far everything in the new EU still fits.
That strain originated on LV-426. Those Aliens were all gone by the advent of Life & Death though and had been replaced with ones born on LV-223, hence the physical differences.
Didn't Predators on Fire and Stone,Life and Death hunt Xenomorph very long time ?
Don't think so. Ahab's backstory had him hunting different things, but I'm not sure it showed him hunting Aliens in the distant past.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-554/Predator-Hunters-2#prettyPhoto
Predator: Hunters #2 preview is up. Beware some spoilers.
I really am enjoying the art on this series.
That art looks heartening
DH's September solicitations are up! Beware of spoilers.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-september-2017-solicitations/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-september-2017-solicitations/amp/)
Predator: Hunters #5 - September 6Spoiler
Chris Warner (W), Francisco Ruiz Velasco (A/Variant cover), and Doug Wheatley (Cover)
On sale Sept 6
FC, 32 pages • $3.99 • Miniseries
The members of Hunter team—all survivors of previous Predator encounters—split up to take on a surprising number of threats as Dr. Bunting's island "paradise" gives up its horrifying secrets! The battle will turn on the last Predator standing!
Aliens: Dead Orbit TPB - Nov 1Spoiler
James Stokoe (W/A/Cover)
On sale Nov 1
FC, 104 pages • $17.99 • TP, 7" x 10"
After a horrific accident strikes a space station, an engineering officer must use all available tools—a timer, utility kit, and his wits—to survive an attack from the deadliest creature known to man. Collects issues #1–#4 of the thrilling and claustrophobic Aliens story Dead Orbit, penned by Orc Stain creator James Stokoe!
"This is already shaping up to be the best work in this universe since the original two films."—Nerdist
Any word on if they're doing a complete hardcover for Life and Death like they did with Fire and Stone?
Not thus far. As soon as it announced, it will be posted on here.
Thats if it ever comes to fruition
Does anyone know the order in which I should read the Life and Death series?
Predator, Prometheus, Aliens, AvP.
Thank you
id rather they jsut made it a single serious instead of splitting it up. Fire and stane is a nightmare to read if you bought them all at once on digital
Why?
i read them in order, at least im 90% sure i did and the story didnt seem to flow all that well, if ther ewas omnibus thing of it with it all in the correct order id read it, but i also jsut didnt care for the story line that much to begin with
I found that the order worked if you read it chronologically or in publication order (which is the order I initially read it in)
Not sure what the collected version order was - chronological I think.
That was my problem with Fire and Stone. I bought thm all separately and didn't have a clue which order to read them in. I had to flip back and forth trying to find the right one. It was my first crossover series so I'm a noon really.
Is Life and Death better than Fire and Stone. F&S had a great idea with Elden that was destroyed by the art for him. The story was underwhelming for the most part as well.
Life and Death is a better story in terms of how it flows, and it doesn't go off on any weird tangents, but it takes fewer risks than Fire and Stone; it basically Marines vs monsters. It should read great in trade. The ending is also a bit too neat in some respects, and the ending is Prometheus levels of open.
The ending was also a fairly wild tangent.
Yeah that's a good point.
The story is fairly straightforward and wraps up cleanly until it goes crazy in the Final Battle issue.
I just had a look at the script I read for the AvP run and there's a note that the Predator leader should maybe look like the older Predator from Predator 2. I suggested that he BE the older Predator from Predator 2 and Kalakta from The Rage War. Forgot to actually check the artwork to see if there was any similarity.
^Having him be Kalatka would be too damn cool! Let us know if you do see any similarities.
I like to imagine that Ahab himself is still alive during the Rage War and somewhere he was battling the Rage with his Engineer rifle.
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That was my problem with Fire and Stone. I bought thm all separately and didn't have a clue which order to read them in. I had to flip back and forth trying to find the right one. It was my first crossover series so I'm a noon really.
Is Life and Death better than Fire and Stone. F&S had a great idea with Elden that was destroyed by the art for him. The story was underwhelming for the most part as well.
Life & Death is near crud level, definitely not better than Fire & Stone. Prometheus & Alien series was pretty good in Fire & Stone the rest was a level below or above crud level. And you can take that to the bank, cuz Stone Cold said so.
DH February 2018 solicitations are here, and though there isn't anything new, Fire and Stone is getting an affordable paperback release in April.
https://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-february-2018-solicitations/ (https://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-comics-february-2018-solicitations/)
Still no news on a hardback for Life and Death though. :'(
Also nothing about that new comic we heard rumblings about a few months ago. Still possible something gets announced next month, though. Life and Death was announced in December.
I think it's more likely to get announced in the April Solicits to coincide release with Alien day. I think that's when we'll will also get the announcement for the AVP Original comics series fancy pants.
What were the rumblings? Anything specific, or just talk that another comic may be coming?
I've only really just gotten into the Aliens comics, been reading a ton of older runs lately. Most are anywhere from meh to bad, but there are a few little gems scattered throughout and I enjoy reading just to see different takes on this world. Adoring Dead Orbit so far.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2017, 03:03:51 AM
What were the rumblings? Anything specific, or just talk that another comic may be coming?
Just that there's been rumblings of a new series. Nothing more specific than that has been mentioned in public yet. I've an idea of what's coming and if it does make it through, it's something I'm pretty excited about.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2017, 03:03:51 AM
What were the rumblings? Anything specific, or just talk that another comic may be coming?
Just that there's been rumblings of a new series. Nothing more specific than that has been mentioned in public yet. I've an idea of what's coming and if it does make it through, it's something I'm pretty excited about.
You evil tease.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2017, 08:51:45 AM
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What were the rumblings? Anything specific, or just talk that another comic may be coming?
Just that there's been rumblings of a new series. Nothing more specific than that has been mentioned in public yet. I've an idea of what's coming and if it does make it through, it's something I'm pretty excited about.
Is is Predator, Aliens, or AvP?
That'd be telling.
I ended up buying Defiance as 2 TPBs. I'm at a loss for words at how this went sideways. Typical Dark Horse. They tend to start strong and just let it go...
Any word on a hard cover Life and Death? I held out on reading any of this until it comes out...
Not this far. Nothing.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 23, 2017, 04:37:38 PM
I ended up buying Defiance as 2 TPBs. I'm at a loss for words at how this went sideways. Typical Dark Horse. They tend to start strong and just let it go...
Any word on a hard cover Life and Death? I held out on reading any of this until it comes out...
Came here to ask the same thing. I bought Fire and Stone as a hardcover since it collected everything in one place (and included the Omega end-cap story). Is there a similar end-cap story for Life and Death? I'd feel like an idiot if I got the individual trades for Life and Death only to find out there was a "complete edition" hardcover that had even more stuff.
Life and Death did have an end-cap issue, but it was included in the AVP Life and Death TPB, unlike what they did with Fire and Stone.
I'm sure it won't effect projects that are already in motion, but those damn Fox buyout talks are starting again. God, I don't want AVP at Marvel...
Me neither. The price hike will be huge as well.
could that mean we'll potentially see alien and predator titles from marvel instead of dark horse?
It might. Star Wars moved back to Marvel from DH when Disney bought Lucasfilm.
Quote from: trilobite on Dec 03, 2017, 10:47:37 PM
could that mean we'll potentially see alien and predator titles from marvel instead of dark horse?
Almost definitely. Why would Disney bother working with a third-party publisher for a licensed book when they could just produce and print it all in-house?
do we consider that a pro or con? i can think of some pretty marvel artists that would be dope working on alien
I consider it a con for the most part. I don't see it being a priority for Marvel, given the nature of the content; if they license goes anywhere, I'd much rather it be IDW or even Image or some other company that isn't afraid of a graphic property. Personally Marvel has a lot of trust to earn back after how far their overall quality has sunk since Secret Wars.
The best point of comparison would be new Marvel Star Wars vs. DH Star Wars.
I wish I was better versed in SW comics. What changes have you noticed since the license moved?
Not read any of the new ones. I've flicked though a few and they look decent enough, but there just seems to be too many to follow. Same thing happened at DH in the early 2000s. I just lost track. And my disposable income dried up around the same time.
Ah, I see. From what I can tell, it seemed like DH really dug into the world building while Marvel seems to mostly be focusing on titles very closely linked to the new films.
As far as I can tell a lot of the Marvel stuff is set between ANH and ESB and features the usual suspects. Which is wise. I'd rather read about characters from the films - even peripheral ones - more than the Old Republic Jedi vs. Sith stuff.
avengers fighting xenomorphs on an alien planet, coming to a comic book near you 2022
Predator already pwnd the X-Men.
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I wont lie and say that I wouldn't be interested to see what Marvel's talent could put out in the form of Aliens and Predator comics.
My issue lies with Marvel's collection print quality and price vs Dark horses.
In my opinion, Dark Horse release the best quality books, relative to their price point, on the market.
Let's take the Original Comic Series format that Dark Horse have been releasing. The equivalent from marvel would cost between £40- £60. Marvels smaller hardcover releases cost around £20. I have bought every recent Dark Horse Aliens/ Predator related fancy pants for less than £20.
Along with the expense that comes with Marvel, we get thin paper.
As a Hardcover comic collector, this prospect does not bod well. :-\.
When you're talking about collected volumes, how many pages are we talking? DH generally does 4 issue collections, sometimes 6. Do the Marvel collections collect more issues?
Yeah marvel do some huge volumes. Comparable to Big Damn Sin City but much more expensive. I just picked up a 1200 page spidey book. Retails at £105. I paid £70 to be fair. But big damn sin city I paid £45. It's a larger trim size and more pages. Thicker paper.
Marvel put out story arc trades of each title that are between 5-7 issues they cost around £20. Standard trim size and paperback. A few years back Darkhorse did a reprint, in hardcover, sewn and recoloured of The Terminator vs Robocop. I paid £8 new. It retailed at about £20.
For me there is no competition there.
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2017, 04:58:56 AMPredator already pwnd the X-Men.
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Ooh, what's that from?
I'm thinking Deadliest of Species?
Yeah. That's the comic it's from.
And Batman. Predator walks between many universes.
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2017, 10:00:04 AM
And Batman. Predator walks between many universes.
One of the better crossovers that one.
In DOTS - el diablo que hace el trofeo de Batman. ;D
:laugh:
I keep meaning to read Bats v Predator. I've got it all in the copies of Total Carnage I own, I've just never got around to reading it.
I recently picked up the collected edition that DC and DH put out and re-read them for the first time in donkeys. I was surprised at how much I actually enjoyed them! They were all really well put together stories.
I liked what they did with the first A v Batman and A v Superman series. Don't recall reading any others.
Batman V Aliens
Robocop Vs The Terminator
Aliens Versus Predator
I think these are the only crossovers I really like.
I much preferred the original 'Batman vs Predator' out of any of the Batman crossovers, although 'Batman vs Aliens' is okay. Batman vs Predator 2 and 3 have their moments (like the Predator being unable to see Mr. Freeze in thermal vision, that was clever) but on the whole they're not as good as the original.
The original Judge Dredd crossovers were a good time (l liked the Aliens one more than the Predator one); I have the trade paperback for the new series but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
I remember Green Lantern vs Aliens being pretty neat and I've been meaning to re-read it.
The Top Cow half of the Witchblade/Darkness/Aliens/Predator crossover is entertaining, mostly because the Top Cow writers and artists fully embraced how ridiculous the crossover was and just dialed the insanity to 11 because who really cares. The Dark Horse half of the crossover took itself really seriously and, uh, the results weren't good.
Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator is real bad - it's one of the few series that I don't have every issue for. Every once in a while the completionist in me says "hey, maybe you should complete the series", and then I'll re-read the issues I have and remember why I don't.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
I much preferred the original 'Batman vs Predator' out of any of the Batman crossovers, although 'Batman vs Aliens' is okay. Batman vs Predator 2 and 3 have their moments (like the Predator being unable to see Mr. Freeze in thermal vision, that was clever) but on the whole they're not as good as the original.
The original Judge Dredd crossovers were a good time (l liked the Aliens one more than the Predator one); I have the trade paperback for the new series but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
I remember Green Lantern vs Aliens being pretty neat and I've been meaning to re-read it.
The Top Cow half of the Witchblade/Darkness/Aliens/Predator crossover is entertaining, mostly because the Top Cow writers and artists fully embraced how ridiculous the crossover was and just dialed the insanity to 11 because who really cares. The Dark Horse half of the crossover took itself really seriously and, uh, the results weren't good.
Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator is real bad - it's one of the few series that I don't have every issue for. Every once in a while the completionist in me says "hey, maybe you should complete the series", and then I'll re-read the issues I have and remember why I don't.
Just bin the issues you already own and ignore it's existence lol.
I was lucky enough that one of my friends in high school let me borrow his copy of AvPvT, so I never had to spend a dime on it. :laugh:
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 07, 2017, 12:42:12 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
I much preferred the original 'Batman vs Predator' out of any of the Batman crossovers, although 'Batman vs Aliens' is okay. Batman vs Predator 2 and 3 have their moments (like the Predator being unable to see Mr. Freeze in thermal vision, that was clever) but on the whole they're not as good as the original.
The original Judge Dredd crossovers were a good time (l liked the Aliens one more than the Predator one); I have the trade paperback for the new series but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
I remember Green Lantern vs Aliens being pretty neat and I've been meaning to re-read it.
The Top Cow half of the Witchblade/Darkness/Aliens/Predator crossover is entertaining, mostly because the Top Cow writers and artists fully embraced how ridiculous the crossover was and just dialed the insanity to 11 because who really cares. The Dark Horse half of the crossover took itself really seriously and, uh, the results weren't good.
Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator is real bad - it's one of the few series that I don't have every issue for. Every once in a while the completionist in me says "hey, maybe you should complete the series", and then I'll re-read the issues I have and remember why I don't.
Just bin the issues you already own and ignore it's existence lol.
Not a bad idea haha.
Hearing rumors that the Disney deal is going to actually happen. I wonder if DH re-released all those DC crossovers over the last year because they knew this was coming?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 08, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
Hearing rumors that the Disney deal is going to actually happen. I wonder if DH re-released all those DC crossovers over the last year because they knew this was coming?
Does make you think don't it. I hear they are very close to a deal.
I'm finally getting around to reading 'Aliens: Defiance', and volume 1 (the first 6 issues) is a hell of a lot stronger than volume 2 (the last 6). The first 6 feels like they were writing an ongoing series with no end in sight and infinite possibilities, but the moment volume 2 starts it immediately feels like the writers knew they had to end the story in X issues and were scrambling to tie things up. The scope shrinks dramatically, plot points get resolved with no real payoff, it just isn't very satisfying compared to the first half.
I haven't quite finished volume 2 yet, but my question at this point is how did the Queen onboard the Europa die? We see it slaughter the pirates and is standing over their corpses, with Davis and Zula commenting that it looks like it barely took a scratch. And then the next time we see it, it's dead and Davis is strapping something to it as they're approaching Earth. Did I miss something?
I had the same issue when I read it. I took it that she eventually succumbed to her injuries.
But the problem for me was that no injuries were visible. Maybe it got too cold for her... :laugh: Anyway, clumsily executed and not a really fitting end for the Queen.
Though I have to hand it to them. At least they didn't go with throwing her out of the airlock.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Dec 09, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
But the problem for me was that no injuries were visible. Maybe it got too cold for her... :laugh: Anyway, clumsily executed and not a really fitting end for the Queen.
Though I have to hand it to them. At least they didn't go with throwing her out of the airlock.
To be fair the Queen has a few bullet holes visible during the rampage, but they're not visible when it's standing over the pile of dead pirates.
Also I just got the 4 Life and Death trade paperbacks in the mail, what is the read order for those? After I finish Defiance I think I'm gonna go back and re-read Fire and Stone, as a primer for Life and Death.
predator>prometheus>aliens>avp
then final conflict is in prometheus.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 09, 2017, 09:42:08 PM
I had the same issue when I read it. I took it that she eventually succumbed to her injuries.
Extended exposure to vacuum I thought.
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2017, 12:52:43 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 09, 2017, 09:42:08 PM
I had the same issue when I read it. I took it that she eventually succumbed to her injuries.
Extended exposure to vacuum I thought.
Speaking of, earlier in the series Davis says he can only handle hard vacuum for a limited time, but he seemed pretty okay with it when hiding from the Queen and then messing with her corpse.
Also yeah sure you can write off Davis' willingness to shoot and kill humans as him never having been programmed with the First Law of Robotics like, say, Bishop was, or that he evolved past that programming when he was hacking himself, but I'd have preferred if it had at least gotten some lip service.
Also I finished volume 2 and hooo boy, what a clunker. The only actual Alien in those six issues is an under-utilized Queen that can't decide if it's alive or dead (not counting flashbacks and hallucinations I guess), with the entire second half feeling like a build-up to the return to earth.... which happens with all the impact of a wet fart. Hollis and Davis die off-panel, the corporate surveillance angle is half-baked and then totally disregarded when it's no longer convenient, the original Colonial Marines series had better closure than Defiance (and a lot more Aliens, and more interesting characters, and more varied locations).
Christ what a disappointment. The first half was freaking great and set up a ton of cool possibilities for a long-running series, and then it went right into a tailspin with issue 7 and never recovered.
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2017, 12:52:43 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 09, 2017, 09:42:08 PM
I had the same issue when I read it. I took it that she eventually succumbed to her injuries.
Extended exposure to vacuum I thought.
That seems logical but given that in some examples of the EU, Aliens can survive in vacuum, I didn't think that was the reason.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 10, 2017, 02:21:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2017, 12:52:43 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 09, 2017, 09:42:08 PM
I had the same issue when I read it. I took it that she eventually succumbed to her injuries.
Extended exposure to vacuum I thought.
Speaking of, earlier in the series Davis says he can only handle hard vacuum for a limited time, but he seemed pretty okay with it when hiding from the Queen and then messing with her corpse.
Also yeah sure you can write off Davis' willingness to shoot and kill humans as him never having been programmed with the First Law of Robotics like, say, Bishop was, or that he evolved past that programming when he was hacking himself, but I'd have preferred if it had at least gotten some lip service.
Also I finished volume 2 and hooo boy, what a clunker. The only actual Alien in those six issues is an under-utilized Queen that can't decide if it's alive or dead (not counting flashbacks and hallucinations I guess), with the entire second half feeling like a build-up to the return to earth.... which happens with all the impact of a wet fart. Hollis and Davis die off-panel, the corporate surveillance angle is half-baked and then totally disregarded when it's no longer convenient, the original Colonial Marines series had better closure than Defiance (and a lot more Aliens, and more interesting characters, and more varied locations).
Christ what a disappointment. The first half was freaking great and set up a ton of cool possibilities for a long-running series, and then it went right into a tailspin with issue 7 and never recovered.
I thought issue 7 was excellent. The rest, although weak compared to 1-7, I still would not compare to A:CM's.
Comparisons to the Colonial Marines comic are asinine.
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That seems logical but given that in some examples of the EU, Aliens can survive in vacuum, I didn't think that was the reason.
Depends which EU. In the Rage War Alien they needed breathing apparatus in space. And in issue 4 they find a stack of Aliens floating dead in space, so it was kinda flagged.
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2017, 06:33:59 AM
Comparisons to the Colonial Marines comic are asinine.
Not really, though? They're both lengthy miniseries about people hopping around the galaxy exterminating Aliens. The difference is, Defiance doesn't have any Aliens in the second half of its run, visits half as many locations as Colonial Marines did, has half as many interesting characters (and kills two of them off-panel!), and somehow manages to have an even more abrupt and less satisfying ending than its predecessor.
They're also both the longest Aliens series to date, and were both seemingly plagued with production problems later on in their run that caused them to get cut short.
I'll admit that it's been a long time since I last read Colonial Marines, but at least I had fun with the series from beginning to end the last time I read it. I can't say the same about Defiance.
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2017, 06:33:59 AM
Comparisons to the Colonial Marines comic are asinine.
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That seems logical but given that in some examples of the EU, Aliens can survive in vacuum, I didn't think that was the reason.
Depends which EU. In the Rage War Alien they needed breathing apparatus in space. And in issue 4 they find a stack of Aliens floating dead in space, so it was kinda flagged.
Seen as Rage wars is part of the recent attempt to have a coherent EU and so is Defiance, it would seem that vacuum is a fair conclusion then.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 10, 2017, 08:37:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2017, 06:33:59 AM
Comparisons to the Colonial Marines comic are asinine.
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That seems logical but given that in some examples of the EU, Aliens can survive in vacuum, I didn't think that was the reason.
Depends which EU. In the Rage War Alien they needed breathing apparatus in space. And in issue 4 they find a stack of Aliens floating dead in space, so it was kinda flagged.
Seen as Rage wars is part of the recent attempt to have a coherent EU and so is Defiance, it would seem that vacuum is a fair conclusion then.
There's no denying there are less-confusing ways Defiance could have handled it, though. We go from "the Queen doesn't have a scratch on her, what do we do when she gets hungry again???" to "stone cold dead" without a single comment from any characters about what happened or why. Even a token "huh, I guess they can't survive in a vacuum" would have cleared up people's confusion.
I do agree that there is some questionable storytelling in the last 5 issues of Defiance but I would never put it anywhere near CM. Defiance still turned out to be one of the better Aliens comics we have had.
Colonial Marines, along with Xenogenesis and one or two others, is an example of an Aliens comic I would not purchase a fancy pants hardcover of. That shows that 'I' truly can't stand those books because I love collecting hardcovers. Defiance I'd buy all day long.
I forgot about the vacuum. Though one of the reasons being that in Alien Isolation they clearly have no problem with a vacuum, at least exposed for a couple of minutes. I know it's not the most logical idea, but I always liked seeing the alien survive for at least a short while in space while the humans are in their clunky spacesuits. Ads to the the alien's toughness, making their hard and creepy exoskeleton/skin a kind of a spacesuit of their own.
To be honest, even though I really liked the Rage War trilogy, the aliens with breathing apparatuses seemed kinda weird and silly to me personally. Though if this is the new norm, then I can't say I don't understand why. But lets not forget Alien Isolation... ;) I guess the best reconciliation is they could maybe survive a few minutes in a vacuum with no problem, but not for too long. They are mortal after all.
And yeah, the last third is definitely weaker, but over all I enjoyed the series. I definitely want more longer stories like this. And a continuation of this one as well. I would just like them to not change direction or the flow of the overall series when we get to the later issues.
I liked Fire and Stone quiet a lot, though Life and Death not so much... For me, the story was less engaging and the artwork didn't help. That's why Defiance and Dead Orbit are so refreshing.
All in all, can't wait for more.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 10, 2017, 11:25:14 AM
I do agree that there is some questionable storytelling in the last 5 issues of Defiance but I would never put it anywhere near CM. Defiance still turned out to be one of the better Aliens comics we have had.
I'd agree if issues 7-12 didn't drag Defiance down so heavily, because the first half of the series was freaking great and I was eager for more. I didn't even mind the change in artists (although Tristan's art was fantastic and a big draw of the first part of the series).
I'll have to re-read Colonial Marines and see if I suddenly hate it (it's been near a decade since I last read it), but even though Colonial Marines got insane and had one of the most abrupt, wacky endings out of any Aliens comic, at least Colonial Marines never felt like a pointless slog for several issues in a row, and Colonial Marines' insanity was at least memorable if not outright fun. Knowing that 5/12ths of Defiance is literally "nothing happens, 2/3 of the cast die off-panel, there are no Aliens, and then it ends", I'd be more inclined to go back and re-read Colonial Marines than Defiance.
It just sucks because I'd absolutely love more long-form ongoing Aliens/Predator series where we can really build up the characters and relationships and explore their world and have ongoing or recurring plot points, etc, and the first 6 issues of Defiance felt like it was going to be exactly that. It's when the series makes a
literal U-turn and goes back the way it came that it just totally loses me.
And then it had the audacity to end on a "the mission isn't over!" cliffhanger? The writing was on the wall when what was intended to be an ongoing series with no set endpoint was suddenly given an endpoint. If the mission isn't over, why try to wrap everything up, kill most of the cast, and put the protagonist right back where she started (albeit with a seemingly fixed spine), and not announce any sort of follow-up or continuation series?
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 10, 2017, 11:25:14 AM
I do agree that there is some questionable storytelling in the last 5 issues of Defiance but I would never put it anywhere near CM. Defiance still turned out to be one of the better Aliens comics we have had.
Colonial Marines, along with Xenogenesis and one or two others, is an example of an Aliens comic I would not purchase a fancy pants hardcover of. That shows that 'I' truly can't stand those books because I love collecting hardcovers. Defiance I'd buy all day long.
I really liked the whole angle of Hollis removing the Queen from herself and then their attempt to freeze it in the second half of the story. And Zula's retrieval of Davis' chip at the end. The second half of the story wasn't as strong as the first half, but I agree it's one of the better stories.
Indeed. There was definitely stuff in the backend that was really interesting and strong. And if I remember rightly, wasn't the series initially only a 10 issue run that got extended a bit?
I didn't think the second half was bad by any means.
But it definitely seemed like it shifted and went in a different direction from what the first half was setting up, and that disappointed me.
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2017, 07:51:50 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 10, 2017, 11:25:14 AM
I do agree that there is some questionable storytelling in the last 5 issues of Defiance but I would never put it anywhere near CM. Defiance still turned out to be one of the better Aliens comics we have had.
Colonial Marines, along with Xenogenesis and one or two others, is an example of an Aliens comic I would not purchase a fancy pants hardcover of. That shows that 'I' truly can't stand those books because I love collecting hardcovers. Defiance I'd buy all day long.
I really liked the whole angle of Hollis removing the Queen from herself and then their attempt to freeze it in the second half of the story. And Zula's retrieval of Davis' chip at the end. The second half of the story wasn't as strong as the first half, but I agree it's one of the better stories.
The Queen removal and freezing was one of the things I didn't like - it made it seem trivially easy to remove an Alien (which undermines the implied "death sentence" and "walking time bomb" aspect of getting facehugged), and I couldn't fathom why they opted to keep the Queen around at the time. Their entire mission was to exterminate all Aliens, and they choose to keep a Queen just for chuckles? lolwut?
Zula's retrieval of Davis' chip was cool, though. I liked that it gave a sort of "payoff" to the number on his head other than a visual indicator, and implied that you could plug his chip into any Davis body and he'd be back.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2017, 07:53:15 PM
Indeed. There was definitely stuff in the backend that was really interesting and strong. And if I remember rightly, wasn't the series initially only a 10 issue run that got extended a bit?
Every article I've found while googling it has said it started as an "ongoing" series, which tends to mean "no end planned". When the creators go into a series with a pre-determined beginning, middle, and end, they tend to call it something else.
Yeah it was initially announced as an ongoing, but it was quickly established that the initial order was 12 issues.
Interesting, thanks for the clarification. :)
Utterly bored at my night job, so I found this scrolling though Facebook. Back in June I commented on one of Randy Stradley's rare posts, and never noticed that he responded.
My comment:
QuoteHope there's a sequel to Life and Death in the works! They must have landed on Paradise at the end.
His response:
QuoteWell, this is one of those things I can't speak about right now. Soon, though -- I hope!
So maybe there is another crossover coming, assuming buyout shenanigans don't interfere.
An ongoing AvP series would be a dream come true
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 12, 2017, 12:09:44 AM
Utterly bored at my night job, so I found this scrolling though Facebook. Back in June I commented on one of Randy Stradley's rare posts, and never noticed that he responded.
My comment:
QuoteHope there's a sequel to Life and Death in the works! They must have landed on Paradise at the end.
His response:
QuoteWell, this is one of those things I can't speak about right now. Soon, though -- I hope!
So maybe there is another crossover coming, assuming buyout shenanigans don't interfere.
Cool. I really should use Twitter and Facebook to follow these guys.
The Disney deal is as good as done, it seems. DH's March and April solicitations will be very telling, I imagine.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 12, 2017, 05:32:03 PM
The Disney deal is as good as done, it seems. DH's March and April solicitations will be very telling, I imagine.
Yeah. I hope that does not mean the AVP fancy pants is cancelled.
I would hope that any remaining time on any licenses is honoured. I still hope it stays with DH, though.
Hope it stays as well, or if it does move, they should go all-out with the license before it expires.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 12, 2017, 06:37:23 PM
I would hope that any remaining time on any licenses is honoured. I still hope it stays with DH, though.
Why would it? Disney owns their own in-house comic company. It's the same reason DH lost the Star Wars license.
Yeah, it would be surprising if it stayed at DH. It will be interesting to see how the rest of their license plays out.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 12, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
Yeah, it would be surprising if it stayed at DH. It will be interesting to see how the rest of their license plays out.
Probably similar to Star Wars - authors finish their current arcs or miniseries, nothing new gets started.
On the plus side, marvel would likely milk printing all the Aliens/Predator comics Like they are Dark Horses Star Wars stuff
All those comics are widely available though aren't they? I'm more concerned a Disney deal might jeopardise Grahams blueprint book.
Yeah, I was looking over the weekend. The comics are dirt cheap on Comixology and DH's own app.
Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2017, 08:08:20 PM
All those comics are widely available though aren't they? I'm more concerned a Disney deal might jeopardise Grahams blueprint book.
That's a good question. I just shot him an email to see if he knows anything.
Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2017, 08:08:20 PM
All those comics are widely available though aren't they? I'm more concerned a Disney deal might jeopardise Grahams blueprint book.
It doesn't look like Titan publish the Star Wars novels so that has the potential to shift as well. I would hope that existing licensing deals are left until their due to expire. I would imagine that all the currently slated books are due within that time frame.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 12, 2017, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 12, 2017, 06:37:23 PM
I would hope that any remaining time on any licenses is honoured. I still hope it stays with DH, though.
Why would it? Disney owns their own in-house comic company. It's the same reason DH lost the Star Wars license.
I don't think it would. I just hope it would.
Didn't Disney can Clone Wars when they already had a stack of completed episodes? I wouldn't think anything is off limits.
This bums me out, I dont want Dark Horse to lose the license. It would feel wrong somehow, having marvel on an alien comic.
My hope is that Disney pays enough attention to the license to keep it alive, but not enough to meddle with how things stand.
On a related note, the Mignola-verse solicits just went up, so I would expect the full solicits on Friday. Fingers crossed we learned what Dust to Dust is.
Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2017, 08:08:20 PM
All those comics are widely available though aren't they? I'm more concerned a Disney deal might jeopardise Grahams blueprint book.
They are but not in Hardcover. Even though Marvel's book quality is not as good for the price, as a hardcover collector, it would be nice to get some more of the material in that format.
I hope the Blueprint book is safe. Id be gutted if it was canned.
Also worth keeping in mind that back when DH lost Star Wars, they knew in advance but Disney did not announce it so DH wouldn't have to announce the bad news before the holiday. We may not know one way or another until the New Year, even if the deal gets officially announced tomorrow like rumor says.
We also don't know the extent of what IPs Disney is even buying at this point, do we? I mean the Marvel stuff is a given, as are the Star Wars original trilogy rights that Fox held, but beyond that has anything been confirmed? Fox Television isn't part of the deal (unfortunately) as far as I'm aware.
I enjoy dead Orbit 4. I have thoughts in that thread this morning.
Nothing AVP related in the March 2018 solicitations. If there's nothing in April for 4/26 that probably makes it official. :'(
https://www.newsarama.com/37811-dark-horse-march-2018-solicitations.html (https://www.newsarama.com/37811-dark-horse-march-2018-solicitations.html)
Yeah. A bit bummed that nothing new is announced. If we get nothing for April I will be gutted.
I've already written them a "thanks for 30 years of comics" letter. Time to come to terms, I suppose.
:'( they may be just Saving for Aliens day.
I doubt it now though. Didn't we have all the announcements for Alien day, comics related I mean, by now last year ?
Yeah, Dead Orbit was announced in October 2016. Life and Death was announced before the March solicits in 2015, and Defiance was also announced in October.
Its not looking good at all. Damn. Plus we won't get a fancy pants of Dead Orbit or the AvP Original Comics Series. Now we will get a less impressive collection via marvel.
I hope we are just jumping to conclusions here but I have little faith.
Everything is going to be up in the air for a while.
Yeah. Really hope that Blueprint book is safe.
QuoteLike Rice, Snider has stressed that over the next year and a half until the deal closes, it will be "business as usual" and she told staffers that she expects them "to do what we do at a high level of excellence and with our typical swagger."
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/disney-fox-lot-1202641181/
I think we might be fine until this is all finalised.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2017, 09:31:41 AM
QuoteLike Rice, Snider has stressed that over the next year and a half until the deal closes, it will be "business as usual" and she told staffers that she expects them "to do what we do at a high level of excellence and with our typical swagger."
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/disney-fox-lot-1202641181/
I think we might be fine until this is all finalised.
hopefully.
Good point, this won't take place over night. Congress could even wind up saying no outright. I read somewhere that Disney will owe Fox 2 billion dollars if it falls through.
I think Dark Horse lost their way with these Aliens comics but it was possibly through no fault of their own. If this is a case of Fox giving them direction, and making random changes, then there is not much DH could do in a situation like that. The business relationship is untenable. But if the relationship becomes vertically integrated like through direct cooperation between the movie arm and the comic arm of the same company, it could work really well. Time will tell, but I would say the time has come for change. I never thought I'd say this. I mean I used to love Dark Horse. But they cranked out too much drivel with their licensed material that I am practically done.
The films being in production and Fox shifting around what they want with the franchise certainly haven't helped.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 18, 2017, 04:56:49 PM
I think Dark Horse lost their way with these Aliens comics but it was possibly through no fault of their own. If this is a case of Fox giving them direction, and making random changes, then there is not much DH could do in a situation like that. The business relationship is untenable. But if the relationship becomes vertically integrated like through direct cooperation between the movie arm and the comic arm of the same company, it could work really well. Time will tell, but I would say the time has come for change. I never thought I'd say this. I mean I used to love Dark Horse. But they cranked out too much drivel with their licensed material that I am practically done.
Dead Orbit is amazing. I cant recommend it enough.
I read the first issue of dead orbit and it lost me. I found it trite. More importantly, does it fit into a grander story or is it just a random "episodic" alien tale?
It's self contained. It's just so well executed. The amount of atmosphere created for a comic is impressive. The story is run of the mill but when told so well, that bothers me not. I honestly think it's worth reading all the way through.
What are your preferred Aliens comics?
My preferred ones were the first 2 series by Mark Verheiden. I really liked the bginning of Aliens: Defiance but it sputtered out half-way through. Surprisingly, I found the adaptation of Alien 3 to be quite good in terms of mood and ambience. The Alien graphic novel by Walt Simonson is a classic too. That's about it in terms of what I really like. I remain split about Fire and Stone, but I don't mind it that much.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 18, 2017, 08:47:00 PM
My preferred ones were the first 2 series by Mark Verheiden. I really liked the bginning of Aliens: Defiance but it sputtered out half-way through. Surprisingly, I found the adaptation of Alien 3 to be quite good in terms of mood and ambience. The Alien graphic novel by Walt Simonson is a classic too. That's about it in terms of what I really like. I remain split about Fire and Stone, but I don't mind it that much.
The first 2 series are among my favs. Book 2 particularly. It looks like the film world in drawn form. The Heavy Metal Alien adaptation is great.
Alien 3 is fairly terrible. All that can recommend it is the depictions of the alternate fates of Dillon and Ripley.
Oh and the covers were nice.
SM. What's you fav Alien comic, if I may ?
Series 2, with series 1 a close second.
Par for the course really.
Quote from: SM on Dec 18, 2017, 10:23:06 PM
Alien 3 is fairly terrible. All that can recommend it is the depictions of the alternate fates of Dillon and Ripley.
Oh and the covers were nice.
I couldn't disagree more. It's been ages since I read it, but I recall it being a great experience. I only regret they never turned it into a TPB. But DH dropped that ball on many things, including the Abyss. (That was completely miscolored BTW). Maybe in Disney's hands, they will finally release Alien: Illustrated Story, Aliens: Newt's Tale, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection as a bound volume? That would be nice. Look athow Marvel recently re-released the original Star Wars adaptations. They remastered the colors using modern technology. They look awesome.
'ALIEN: The Illustrated Story' has been reprinted by Titan publishing in 2012. They also published a large scale hardcover Art edition in B&W. Both are super neat.
There was also a scaled down version of the comic released as an extra feature in some 'ALIEN' box sets.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7122IK1CmTL._SL1500_.jpg)
That makes at least 3 re-issues of the item. Disney may reprint it again. Who knows?
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 19, 2017, 01:33:13 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 18, 2017, 10:23:06 PM
Alien 3 is fairly terrible. All that can recommend it is the depictions of the alternate fates of Dillon and Ripley.
Oh and the covers were nice.
I couldn't disagree more. It's been ages since I read it, but I recall it being a great experience. I only regret they never turned it into a TPB. But DH dropped that ball on many things, including the Abyss. (That was completely miscolored BTW). Maybe in Disney's hands, they will finally release Alien: Illustrated Story, Aliens: Newt's Tale, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection as a bound volume? That would be nice. Look athow Marvel recently re-released the original Star Wars adaptations. They remastered the colors using modern technology. They look awesome.
It'd be good if they re-released them for those who've never read them, but both Newt's Tale and Alien 3 are very mediocre. The colours are all wrong and the artwork really doesn't work at all. Resurrection is better. The slightly goofy artwork looks a lot like Caro's costume designs, which at least makes it visually interesting - but it's way too condensed in just 2 parts. Lots of nice dark colouring though.
Granted, compiling the "Quadrilogy" into 1 bound volume would be mostly a completist's exercise, but I would be up for that.
In no way am I diminishing the great work that Titan did in reissuing Alien" Illustrated Story. That was a great effort, but the other adaptations have simply become inaccessible. Newt's Tale could use a thorough remastering of the colors. I for one am very happy with Alien 3 as is, and I can't comment on Resurrection, as I've never read any of the issues.
SM, I wonder if we are reading the same copies of Alien 3. I respect your opinion, but damn, I loved those 3 issues...
I'm wondering the same thing. Even all the prisoners other than Dillon looked identical.
Which was pretty film accurate come to think of it...
Yes, I remember you making this same argument in a previous discussion, but alas, as you say, that is exactly like in the movie..
Alien 3 wasn't great - SM's already pointed out it's limited high points - but it was miles better than Newt's Tale, which managed to look terrible on top of completely squandering the fall of Hadley's Hope.
Resurrection I enjoyed a hell of a lot more than I expected. Again, as SM says, the weird art style really fit the tone of the film.
The Illustrated Story is by far and away the best of the adaptations. I've said several times how I'm not really a comics guy, and I still adore that regardless.
Alien is miles ahead of the other adaptations. It just gets everything right.
The other major problem with Newt's Tale is that it seems to be based on a script for Aliens rather than the film.
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2017, 10:46:18 AM
Alien is miles ahead of the other adaptations. It just gets everything right.
The other major problem with Newt's Tale is that it seems to be based on a script for Aliens rather than the film.
I think this was a question of DH trying to be clever. This came out several years after the film and I presume they were trying to get people to buy it on account of it being different material than what was shown in the film.
They should have just put both issues into the falling of Hadley's Hope. There was really no need for a one issue retelling of Aliens. :-\
Creative assembly should make Aliens: Isolation. It should cover the fall of Hadley's and you play as newt and some new character, switching between them. Story driven and survival based like the first but you have to build barricades and find supplies.
I bet they could give us a great 'Newts Tale'this way.
I thought the comic was weak.
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2017, 10:46:18 AMThe other major problem with Newt's Tale is that it seems to be based on a script for Aliens rather than the film.
Was
Newt's Tale pre- or post-Special Edition? I can't remember off-hand. Pretty sure they both came out around the same time.
Most of the more glaring inaccuracies seemed to be in the first issue.
The whole ops battle is the same as a script (Vasquez and Ripley using flamethrowers, Hicks cutting an exit out of the airduct etc.).
The comic came out around the same time as the SE I believe, so it's unlikely they would've seen it when the comic was being produced.
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2017, 07:30:19 PMThe whole ops battle is the same as a script (Vasquez and Ripley using flamethrowers, Hicks cutting an exit out of the airduct etc.).
Not really any different to
Alien 3 having Dillon's original death, or
Alien featuring the box Alien, I suppose.
Yeah but they were based on scripts for an unfinished film. Aliens had been out for 5-6 years when Newt's Tale came out.
Plus for something that's meant to be 'Newt's Tale' a couple of sequences occur that she wasn't witness to.
True dat.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2017, 07:32:18 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2017, 07:30:19 PMThe whole ops battle is the same as a script (Vasquez and Ripley using flamethrowers, Hicks cutting an exit out of the airduct etc.).
Not really any different to Alien 3 having Dillon's original death, or Alien featuring the box Alien, I suppose.
And it had the Golic stuff too
Bit of an odd request. I didn't want to start a new thread just for this.
Does anyone have a paperback copy of AVP three world war. If so, could you post some pics please. Back, front, spine and some shots of any extras.
Thanks guys.
I've got the TPB, I'll try and snap some pics for you.
That would be great.
TWW cops more flack than I think it deserves. I've always found it a bit too long though. Would've preferred a bit more of Sereda after More Than Human, ast he's almost a throwaway character in TWW.
I really liked it. Loved the covers for the series. Loved that we get an end to Machico's story.
I don't mind the art either. Im a fan of Rick Leonadi from his days on Spider-Man 2099. I can see how his style would be jarring to some, though.
I liked that Randy came back to do the story as well
Quote from: SM on Dec 22, 2017, 06:54:32 AM
TWW cops more flack than I think it deserves. I've always found it a bit too long though. Would've preferred a bit more of Sereda after More Than Human, ast he's almost a throwaway character in TWW.
I loved 3WW too. Agreed on Sereda too. I really loved him in MTH and was disappointed to see his role in this be so minimal.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 22, 2017, 07:42:40 AM
I really liked it. Loved the covers for the series. Loved that we get an end to Machico's story.
I don't mind the art either. Im a fan of Rick Leonadi from his days on Spider-Man 2099. I can see how his style would be jarring to some, though.
I liked that Randy came back to do the story as well
I think the art works
really well during the action sequences but no so much when they're stood around doing nothing.
Also on the subject of recurring characters - I would've liked to see where they were going with the Xenogenesis characters like Elliot Sakada and Shaw. Pity both AvP and Aliens drew out one issue storylines rather dully out over four issues each. Aliens particularly was dumb as.
I just cannot bring myself to read any of the Xenogenesis stuff.
Predator Xenogenesis is decent. It's basiaclly Hunters but very 2000s. AVP Xenogenesis is dreadful. SM nailed it: barely one issue of story dragged out to four.
Just heard back from Graham re: his blueprints book, he says the Disney/Fox sale won't impact his book at all and that it's "full steam ahead".
A promising sign.
That is good news. That my most anticipated hardcover of 2018.
Not sure if this was mentioned before, but it looks like we are getting the Life and Death TPB...
https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-fire/9781506707259-item.html?ikwid=prometheus+fire+and+stone&ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=4
That's actually a paperback of Fire and Stone.
No, I don't think it is. Chapters in Canada lists TPBs as paperbacks. A quick glance at other TPBs confirms this. That being said, it is too bad that it isn't a fancy-schmancy hardcover.
That's a paperback of Fire and stone. Collects the whole series
https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/3002-712/Aliens-Predator-Prometheus-AVP-Fire-and-Stone-TPB
This is its listing on the Dark Horse web site
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 30, 2017, 08:34:26 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned before, but it looks like we are getting the Life and Death TPB...
https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-fire/9781506707259-item.html?ikwid=prometheus+fire+and+stone&ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=4
The item listing in the link says Fire and Stone, Perfect. Not Life and Death.
Oh no! You're right. That's not the first time I got them mixed up in my head. Looks like I'm not perfect after all ;-)
I've been trying to get my hands on the hardcover. It seems next to impossible to find it anywhere at a reasonable price. I wonder if the paperback will feature all the goodies of the hardcover..
Looks like the hardcover is 480 pages and the TPB is 416. Bummer, but to be expected..
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 31, 2017, 03:17:08 PMI've been trying to get my hands on the hardcover. It seems next to impossible to find it anywhere at a reasonable price. I wonder if the paperback will feature all the goodies of the hardcover..
Is there any reason for that, other than it just being out of print? I was looking into picking it up recently too but I couldn't find it anywhere at any sort of reasonable price either.
I'd love to get hold of it, but yeah, unless Dark Horse put out another printing that's probably unlikable. :(
Yes, I dont think I can do without those missing 64 pages...
I'm no longer expecting a Life and Death collection, honestly. It wouldn't make sense for DH to release a big trade that they may not have the right to sell a few months down the line.
In fact, now would be the perfect time to release that wouldn't it? Before the Thor's hammer falls..
From what I've read on here, it seems that Life and Death wasn't that great. I haven't purchased the single issues. I figured I would try to take it all in as a single volume..
I've been waiting for a "Complete" collected volume of L&D like we got for F&S, but with no announcements from Dark Horse or solicitations on Amazon or Diamond, I don't foresee one coming. I finally caved and bought the 4 trade paperbacks, but I haven't read them yet - I'm in the process of re-reading Fire & Stone first.
Complete Life and Death is coming September 25, 2018! 440 pages, $49.99.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586430/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-the-complete-life-and-death-by-dan-abnett/9781506706788/ (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586430/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-the-complete-life-and-death-by-dan-abnett/9781506706788/)
Fingers crossed we get some juicy BTS stuff like we got with F&S.
Hardback too! Wahey! Glad that's happening.
Finally lol
It's now up for pre-order on Amazon. Looks like I'll be getting an early birthday gift!
Glad to see it's finally getting released. Ill prob make it a B day pressie also.
Yes! I hope its exactly the same size as the Fire & Stone one. It's a long way to September though.
According to Amazon F&S was 480 pages, and this is 440, so I would expect less behind the scenes stuff, but still a good amount. That would make sense because Fire and Stone had a much more complicated production.
And if we're speculating about a sequel, Life and Death started about six months after the Fire and Stone collection came out, so I'd say March/April 2019 if they're doing another crossover.
Quote from: Wweyland on Jan 15, 2018, 07:04:57 PM
Yes! I hope its exactly the same size as the Fire & Stone one. It's a long way to September though.
I cant imagine it wouldn't be. Dark horse are fairly consistent with their collections.
I enjoyed L&D significantly less than F&S...hopefully this trend doesn't continue
Dark Horse April solicits should be out this Friday. Here's hoping for some announcements.
Dus to Dust has been announced!
https://www.cbr.com/aliens-dust-to-dust-gabriel-hardman-interview/ (https://www.cbr.com/aliens-dust-to-dust-gabriel-hardman-interview/)
https://www.newsarama.com/38230-dark-horse-april-2018-solicitations.html
Here is DH's April solicits to go along with the announcement.
Nothing else there.
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 18, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
https://www.newsarama.com/38230-dark-horse-april-2018-solicitations.html
Here is DH's April solicits to go along with the announcement.
Nothing else there.
sweet.... More black hammer is coming out :)
I need to read BH at some point.
I imagine we'll see the next Predator: Hunters in time for the new movie later this year.
Massimo Carnevale, who did the covers for Defiance, just shared this on Twitter. There's no real context, but those sure do look like Davis androids
https://twitter.com/maxcarnival/status/960550361860902912 (https://twitter.com/maxcarnival/status/960550361860902912)
Be nice to get a season 2 of Defiance.
Fingers crossed! Could just be a commission or an unused variant for the issue where Davis and Zula put down the other synthetics, but hope springs eternal.
The variant suggestion had crossed my mind.
Does anyone know if there are plans for releasing Aliens: Defiance as one omnibus? Thinking if I should get volumes 1 and 2 separately.
Nothing has been said so far.
It's a discarded cover, unfortunately, per Massimo.
Shame.
It would be nice to get a fancy pants of defiance. Especially if it included unused artwork and some details on the story beats before they were altered.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 15, 2018, 02:46:16 AM
Complete Life and Death is coming September 25, 2018! 440 pages, $49.99.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586430/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-the-complete-life-and-death-by-dan-abnett/9781506706788/ (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586430/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-the-complete-life-and-death-by-dan-abnett/9781506706788/)
Fingers crossed we get some juicy BTS stuff like we got with F&S.
Are you kidding me. Two weeks after I cave and buy the Trades, this gets announced.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 15, 2018, 02:46:16 AM
Complete Life and Death is coming September 25, 2018! 440 pages, $49.99.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586430/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-the-complete-life-and-death-by-dan-abnett/9781506706788/ (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586430/aliens-predator-prometheus-avp-the-complete-life-and-death-by-dan-abnett/9781506706788/)
Fingers crossed we get some juicy BTS stuff like we got with F&S.
Omg finally! I've been waiting for this since the series first came out. I've been holding off on reading them separately so I could get the complete collection like Fire and Stone.
The June Dark Horse solicits are out and there is nothing other than Dust to Dust 3.
Every month I get excited, hoping that the 'Aliens Versus Predator Original Comics Series' will be solicited and still it has not happened :'(
I wonder when it's going to happen. (if they haven't changed their plans).
Is the 30th anniversary in 2020 ?
It is. I'd be surprised if they didn't do something with it by then.
But there's next to nothing else happening with the license at the moment.
I'm hoping that the 'coming soon' advertisement in the Terminator Original Comics Series collection has not been rescinded.
Hopefully quality makes up for lack of quantity with Dust to Dust and Cold Forge. The license has always had a feast or famine problem, so I guess it isn't surprising given how many comics and novels we've gotten the last 4 years.
Man, I still recall seeing the first ads for AVP in the early nineties (or was it late eighties). Was so stoked. I find the whole AVP thing to be a bit of a missed opportunity. Meh.
Not really news, but Andrea Mutti has his original inks for Prometheus: Life and Death online, and it's interesting to see that all the Xenomorphs are traditional drones, not the mutated ones we saw in the final comic.
http://andrearedmutti.com/COMICS/DARK%20HORSE/prometheus.html (http://andrearedmutti.com/COMICS/DARK%20HORSE/prometheus.html)
Hope we get a good amount of BTS stuff in the hardcover this September.
In the scripts it's not till issue 3 that someone has made a note about how the Aliens should look based on the available hosts on LV-223.
July solicitations are here. Aliens stuff includes Dust to Dust and the Life and Death omnibus.
https://www.newsarama.com/39613-dark-horse-comics-july-2018-solicitations.html (https://www.newsarama.com/39613-dark-horse-comics-july-2018-solicitations.html)
Now we just wait and see what the future holds.
http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/dark-horse-comics-august-2018-solicitations/
August solicits are out.
Hunters 2 and the new Aliens Essential paperback are on there.
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A variant cover I actually like! :o