Apparently Ford is very busy with Star Wars: https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-updates-us-on-prometheus-2-and-blade-98235330841.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-updates-us-on-prometheus-2-and-blade-98235330841.html)
Doesn't sound massively inspiring. 15 drafts? WTF!
It doesn't need the alien, it just needs to be terrifying and horrific. In equal measure. Prometheus wasn't.
I personally though Prometheus was pretty poor
After you watch it for the 100th time you see it as a but uneventful.
15 drafts is but a drop in the ocean for rewrites on most Hollywood films (and films in general). A change between drafts can mean as simple as dialogue tweaking or as drastic as complete rewrites depending on the focus of each individual pass.
I don't think the fifteen drafts remark is an indication of anything other than that the script is currently still being worked on. The names attached to that script don't fill me with much confidence though.
Has he completely ignored what people really thought?
"mixed reaction" - Critics may have loved it. But people didn't.
And in reference to what people didn't like, hmm, how about the fact that it didn't make sense. Inventing and showing a new type of Xenomorph at the end wasn't necessary. I know a lot of people liked that, but I didn't.
People didn't like the film because it didn't make sense, at all.
I loved Prometheus. It didnt have all of the answers. And im ok with that, very few movies have mystery that stays mystery. Yeah i would like answers, but that doesn't take away from the film.
Reading his comments.. is he high or drunk again? Now I know for sure he wasn't the main driving force in 1978-9.
So Ridley Scott met with Harrison Ford and the next day Ford shows up with a broken leg? Coincidence? I think not.
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it's a fun adventure sci fi. dealing with creation and extinction . creation that leads to the extinction of the creators.
i still think the space jockey will end up being david after modifying himself with engineer technology
i think the key to making the alien creepy again would be design and showing things never filmed . but yeah alien 3 cashed out the creepy that was left. unless.......
Prometheus was not going to be an alien prequel he told us that yet at the end we got a different variation of the xenomorph or proto-alien as many have said but you have to remember the "space-Jockeys" were bioengineer(s) meaning that the alien we saw in the original was just one variation of what there bio-weapon could result in. In Prometheus 2 i want them to b more in tune with the original movie i didnt like the fact that the prometheus ship was so hi-tech. In my opinion i was too hi-tech even for this movie and they should have held back.
Also there was nothing scary about the movie. When you show everything its not going to work. That was the good thing about the original alien movie. They held back on showing the creature (for obvious reasons i know but it worked) and when we did it was often so close up we could only make out a few things.
Theres nothing wrong with going old-school.......
Quote"mixed reaction" - Critics may have loved it. But people didn't.
Average IMDB rating of 7.1/10.
When data isn't kind - make shit up, eh? :laugh:
Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Sep 24, 2014, 04:05:16 PM
Apparently Ford is very busy with Star Wars: https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-updates-us-on-prometheus-2-and-blade-98235330841.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-updates-us-on-prometheus-2-and-blade-98235330841.html)
HO--shit!
and "xenomorph free" leads me to believe that the recent comics are solely there to satiate and pacify the masses who wanted more of the Deacon and/or Xenomorph.
So confirmation that these movies have nothing to do with a Xeno story.
This about some new aliens he decided to create because he wanted to. At this point.............the Jockeys might as well NOT be Jocks.
This is just some new space sci-fi flick.
I wish they got it right the first time around, but I'm okay with this if they focus on pushing the story, world building, body-horror, and the further biomechanization of the Engineers. You also need clarification to certain events and the Engineers motives if you're gonna do a sequel.
QuoteSo confirmation that these movies have nothing to do with a Xeno story.
We had confirmation of this years ago. It's not news.
nice bit of non-news news.
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 24, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Sep 24, 2014, 04:05:16 PM
Apparently Ford is very busy with Star Wars: https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-updates-us-on-prometheus-2-and-blade-98235330841.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-updates-us-on-prometheus-2-and-blade-98235330841.html)
HO--shit!
and "xenomorph free" leads me to believe that the recent comics are solely there to satiate and pacify the masses who wanted more of the Deacon and/or Xenomorph.
Probably "Alíen The Weyland-Yutani Report" will be a true compilation of canon material, and yes, comics are just an appetizer, and it's quite clear that Ridley Scott ignores the EU.
The new EU material has been studiously trying to avoid any conflict with further Prometheus films.
Quote from: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 10:07:15 PM
Quote"mixed reaction" - Critics may have loved it. But people didn't.
Average IMDB rating of 7.1/10.
When data isn't kind - make shit up, eh? :laugh:
I'm sure that the sequel will be successful in terms of box office just like the first one and even the disappointed fans will go to see it.
Quote from: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 11:56:07 PM
The new EU material has been studiously trying to avoid any conflict with further Prometheus films.
You mean the chronological changes in Fire and Stone?
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 24, 2014, 11:37:53 PM
nice bit of non-news news.
Yep, there are no real spoilers here, and now I wonder if all the rewrites are to deal with the "Find out how I gets his head back on!" :P
So the reporter thinks the main criticism with Prometheus was the lack of Aliens.
The film was flawed on every imaginable level - tell that to old man Scott.....and lose your job I guess.
The Alien isn't scary anymore? Horse cawk and ballz, she's still my queen of the unnerving sexual horrors of cinema. She just needs a good director and script to bring her back into the good graces of the limelight.
Prometheus Two? Ehh, I initially hated the first film but are now indifferent to it. It's an overhyped film but it's not terrible.
The sequel will come forth. People will bash it. People will love it. But just like Miley Cyrus or Justin Beiber...after a while, nobody'll give a shit.
QuoteYou mean the chronological changes in Fire and Stone?
Not sure which chronological changes you mean, but whatever stories they've concocted for the Fire & Stone series have gone through various people to ensure whatever they've come up with for Prometheus 2 won't conflict. Unlike how Alien3 and Resurrection completely ignored the comic books.
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2014, 12:22:14 AM
So the reporter thinks the main criticism with Prometheus was the lack of Aliens.
The film was flawed on every imaginable level - tell that to old man Scott.....and lose your job I guess.
I guess that, for the sake of not getting off-topic, they just decided to site one of the many fan complaints. Most fans were dissapointed -but for numerous and even contradictory factors; the point here is that fans have complaints and
are still curious about Prometheus 2.
QuoteMost fans were dissapointed
You base this on?
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
QuoteMost fans were dissapointed
You base this on?
Your face :'(
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 12:32:30 AM
QuoteYou mean the chronological changes in Fire and Stone?
Not sure which chronological changes you mean, but whatever stories they've concocted for the Fire & Stone series have gone through various people to ensure whatever they've come up with for Prometheus 2 won't conflict. Unlike how Alien3 and Resurrection completely ignored the comic books.
Well, the Prometheus comic book take place centuries after the film, but apparently that was not the original plan and they were pressured to make that change. That's what I meant with chronological changes.
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 25, 2014, 12:39:09 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2014, 12:22:14 AM
So the reporter thinks the main criticism with Prometheus was the lack of Aliens.
The film was flawed on every imaginable level - tell that to old man Scott.....and lose your job I guess.
I guess that, for the sake of not getting off-topic, they just decided to site one of the many fan complaints. Most fans were dissapointed -but for numerous and even contradictory factors; the point here is that fans have complaints and are still curious about Prometheus 2.
Hoping for Prometheus 2 over BR2 any day.
^Hell yeah.
Agreed. Prometheus, while no where near as good as Blade Runner, is practically screaming for a sequel.
I'm more than content with Blade Runner staying standalone.
QuoteWell, the Prometheus comic book take place centuries after the film, but apparently that was not the original plan and they were pressured to make that change. That's what I meant with chronological changes.
Oh right.
That'd explain a lot.
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 25, 2014, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
QuoteMost fans were dissapointed
You base this on?
Your face :'(
Gee, this thread's a magnet for the Mensa set...
"Your face" Heehee, he got you good. :D
Quote from: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 11:16:07 PM
QuoteSo confirmation that these movies have nothing to do with a Xeno story.
We had confirmation of this years ago. It's not news.
It's not news since in the last flick they went back and forth and in this new flick they can do the same thing.
There was no confirmation before.
But it's new in that we got, AGAIN, another interview where a claim is made.
It's new that we were told something that we already knew?
The very fact there was no Aliens in Prometheus, after the original intention was to make an Alien prequel. Then Riddles said that the Alien has been pretty much wrung dry after four films. Then he said that any potential sequels would likely move even further away from Alien.
"flawed on every imaginable level" Not on every level - characterization, yes, editing, yes, but not on every level, stop spouting hyperbole. "The Room" is an example of a film that is not only flawed on every single facet of film making, but seemed to exceed its own mediocrity. After seeing that film I understood what a true mess a film can be.
Couldn't care less about the sequel, for me, Prometheus has nothing in common with Alien.
Quote from: Mr. Runner on Sep 25, 2014, 12:27:49 AM
The Alien isn't scary anymore? Horse cawk and ballz, she's still my queen of the unnerving sexual horrors of cinema. She just needs a good director and script to bring her back into the good graces of the limelight.
Well, I agree completely with Ridley's sentiment on this issue. In fact, he could have expanded it beyond the ALIEN franchise and HR Gigers creation - practically
every film monster I can think of in modern cinema, looses its edge progressively the more they're used in sequels to the original films.
Michael Myers was scary in
Halloween. In
Halloween 5? 6? 7? Nope, not in the least. You can exchange
Halloween with any other horror franchise in existence and the result is the same.
As for
Prometheus 2 - I learned something from being active at this very forum when
Prometheus premiered in 2012: ignore the people attempting to sway the forum with so-called 'insider knowledge' days prior to the film opening. The hate and misinformation campaign we endured back in these days (fueled by only a handful of forum members), was second to none.
Thank the Lord I don´t have to suffer another poor, f**ked all up abomination of Giger´s creation. THANKS!
He said this exact same thing about no xenomorphs before Prometheus.
so.. we're gonna get new "Deacons". lol.
Quote from: zeus on Sep 25, 2014, 09:35:45 AM
"flawed on every imaginable level" Not on every level - characterization, yes, editing, yes, but not on every level, stop spouting hyperbole. "The Room" is an example of a film that is not only flawed on every single facet of film making, but seemed to exceed its own mediocrity. After seeing that film I understood what a true mess a film can be.
I'm not exaggerating when I say it was flawed on every fundamental level.
The characters were weak, the dialogue was weak, the pacing was poor, the plotting was poor, the editing poor, the music inappropriate at times, the set/creature design work was inferior to the design work 30 years previous, the story was barely existent, over half the cast were miscast.
In my opinion the movie is a piece of shit, others may think different.
Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Sep 24, 2014, 11:53:26 PM
Probably "Alíen The Weyland-Yutani Report" will be a true compilation of canon material, and yes, comics are just an appetizer, and it's quite clear that Ridley Scott ignores the EU.
Good, so do I.
I'll go see the sequel when ever it comes out, but honestly I'll keep my expectations on the Iron Man 3 level.
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2014, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: zeus on Sep 25, 2014, 09:35:45 AM
"flawed on every imaginable level" Not on every level - characterization, yes, editing, yes, but not on every level, stop spouting hyperbole. "The Room" is an example of a film that is not only flawed on every single facet of film making, but seemed to exceed its own mediocrity. After seeing that film I understood what a true mess a film can be.
I'm not exaggerating when I say it was flawed on every fundamental level.
The characters were weak, the dialogue was weak, the pacing was poor, the plotting was poor, the editing poor, the music inappropriate at times, the set/creature design work was inferior to the design work 30 years previous, the story was barely existent, over half the cast were miscast.
In my opinion the movie is a piece of shit, others may think different.
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Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2014, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: zeus on Sep 25, 2014, 09:35:45 AM
"flawed on every imaginable level" Not on every level - characterization, yes, editing, yes, but not on every level, stop spouting hyperbole. "The Room" is an example of a film that is not only flawed on every single facet of film making, but seemed to exceed its own mediocrity. After seeing that film I understood what a true mess a film can be.
I'm not exaggerating when I say it was flawed on every fundamental level.
The characters were weak, the dialogue was weak, the pacing was poor, the plotting was poor, the editing poor, the music inappropriate at times, the set/creature design work was inferior to the design work 30 years previous, the story was barely existent, over half the cast were miscast.
In my opinion the movie is a piece of shit, others may think different.
You say it's flawed on every single level and then list a lot of things that aren't regarded as fundamental.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 25, 2014, 06:57:46 PMYou say it's flawed on every single level and then list a lot of things that aren't regarded as fundamental.
How are characters, dialogue and plot
not fundamental in a film?
I believe a xenomorph cameo is owed, Why ill tell you why because prometheus was buil around the alien fans , we were the ones from the beginning attached to prometheus , not to mention that letter tha came with the alien anthology from scoot him slef explaining his filming a alien prequel and no the deacon doesn't count ,its nice but at that moment i wanted to see more and the movie ended. In short im not seeing this film in theaters because theres noxenomorph cameo and two ill read reviews before , make up my mind on weather i shoul buy the blu ray , if the film moves further from alien like explained , count me out of everything
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 25, 2014, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2014, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: zeus on Sep 25, 2014, 09:35:45 AM
"flawed on every imaginable level" Not on every level - characterization, yes, editing, yes, but not on every level, stop spouting hyperbole. "The Room" is an example of a film that is not only flawed on every single facet of film making, but seemed to exceed its own mediocrity. After seeing that film I understood what a true mess a film can be.
I'm not exaggerating when I say it was flawed on every fundamental level.
The characters were weak, the dialogue was weak, the pacing was poor, the plotting was poor, the editing poor, the music inappropriate at times, the set/creature design work was inferior to the design work 30 years previous, the story was barely existent, over half the cast were miscast.
In my opinion the movie is a piece of shit, others may think different.
You say it's flawed on every single level and then list a lot of things that aren't regarded as fundamental.
.......................................
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Sep 25, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
I'll go see the sequel when ever it comes out, but honestly I'll keep my expectations on the Iron Man 3 level.
Why? The first one already gave us the man-in-a-suit shtick.
As much I like Prometheus, but this new insight into the future of the series makes me think of one only possible solution.
SCRAP PROMETHEUS AND GIVE US A PREQUAL THAT MAKES SENSE TO THE ALIEN LORE!!!!!!
Quote from: Ryan on Sep 25, 2014, 07:38:58 PM
I believe a xenomorph cameo is owed, Why ill tell you why because prometheus was buil around the alien fans , we were the ones from the beginning attached to prometheus , not to mention that letter tha came with the alien anthology from scoot him slef explaining his filming a alien prequel and no the deacon doesn't count ,its nice but at that moment i wanted to see more and the movie ended. In short im not seeing this film in theaters because theres noxenomorph cameo and two ill read reviews before , make up my mind on weather i shoul buy the blu ray , if the film moves further from alien like explained , count me out of everything
If you were really attached from the beginning, then you would've been well aware that there was a very deliberate move away from the Alien creature a long time before the film came out.
No xenomorphs in the Prometheus sequel sounds like a win-win. Prometheus can grow and become its own thing, and Fox is free to make standalone Alien films again, should they so desire. It wouldn't surprise me if we get some kind of announcement of just such an Alien movie in the next two years or so.
It's not owed to show distinctly the Alien (If you're confused, this is where the Alien films come in. Prometheus doesn't need to tread that already muddied ground). What we do deserve is a continual and gradual nod to Alien and an even more sinister look into the world of the bio mechanical gigeresque world. It's unsaid.
We don't "deserve" anything.
Riddles will make his movies and we'll dig them or we won't.
Honestly, I wish the proto-Xeno wasn't in Prometheus either. So having none in PROM2 is a plus for me.
He implies no xenomorphs.
I'm betting the Deacon and its ilk are in there though because.....................what would be the point of introducing them in the first place if a sequel was going to ignore them?
The black "goo" was as prevalent in the first Prometheus as the engineers were.
Quote from: Ryan on Sep 25, 2014, 07:38:58 PM
I believe a xenomorph cameo is owed, Why ill tell you why because prometheus was buil around the alien fans , we were the ones from the beginning attached to prometheus , not to mention that letter tha came with the alien anthology from scoot him slef explaining his filming a alien prequel and no the deacon doesn't count ,its nice but at that moment i wanted to see more and the movie ended. In short im not seeing this film in theaters because theres noxenomorph cameo and two ill read reviews before , make up my mind on weather i shoul buy the blu ray , if the film moves further from alien like explained , count me out of everything
Yeah I guess we can just count you out of everything.
That's right, man! Why don't you go watch the movie, man?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 26, 2014, 03:47:10 AM
He implies no xenomorphs.
I'm betting the Deacon and its ilk are in there though because.....................what would be the point of introducing them in the first place if a sequel was going to ignore them?
The black "goo" was as prevalent in the first Prometheus as the engineers were.
I'd love to see the adult Deacon but as for reasons why it my not be in the sequel - Ridley doesn't know his ass from his elbow anymore, it might have been in the film arbitrarily for all we know.
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 26, 2014, 10:01:06 AMI'd love to see the adult Deacon but as for reasons why it my not be in the sequel - Ridley doesn't know his ass from his elbow anymore, it might have been in the film arbitrarily for all we know.
It certianly felt pretty arbitrary. They'd made it clear during development they wanted to move the film away from
Alien, but then at the last minute they got cold feet about nothing bursting out of anyone, and threw a token Deacon in.
Either have the Aliens or don't, don't say you're going to remove them and then throw in a half-assed copy anyway.
So the update was that the script is still in the works and it's Riddles fault Harrison ford hurt his foot... and blade runner 2 is dead.
Well said...
Quote from: Jango1201 on Sep 25, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
As much I like Prometheus, but this new insight into the future of the series makes me think of one only possible solution.
SCRAP PROMETHEUS AND GIVE US A PREQUAL THAT MAKES SENSE TO THE ALIEN LORE!!!!!!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2014, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 26, 2014, 10:01:06 AMI'd love to see the adult Deacon but as for reasons why it my not be in the sequel - Ridley doesn't know his ass from his elbow anymore, it might have been in the film arbitrarily for all we know.
It certianly felt pretty arbitrary. They'd made it clear during development they wanted to move the film away from Alien, but then at the last minute they got cold feet about nothing bursting out of anyone, and threw a token Deacon in.
Either have the Aliens or don't, don't say you're going to remove them and then throw in a half-assed copy anyway.
The deacon itself felt pretty arbitrary but the goo was responsible for more than just that little guy. There is going to be some sort of monster in there I'd wager.
Otherwise why spend so much time developing that plot point if there was no purpose?
The predator is one of the best looking, most talented mofos in the the whole world!
why do people go to the cinema because they thought that they would see alien
that it was well received depended on kids
and kids love this ..................
Personally looking forward to the next stage of the Prometheus / A L I E N lore. "The Engineers were a good start" and I agree.
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 05:06:55 AM
It's new that we were told something that we already knew?
The very fact there was no Aliens in Prometheus, after the original intention was to make an Alien prequel. Then Riddles said that the Alien has been pretty much wrung dry after four films. Then he said that any potential sequels would likely move even further away from Alien.
Did we know?
All the discussion about this movie here is how the Deacon and the ooze fit into the Xenos.
Some folks didnt care, some folks cared, and now we got some more confirmation into where it's heading. EVENTHOUGH this has been shifting from the start. If you held to one viewpoint then that's good for you but they did not give a clear explanation of what we were seeing.
You know, what bothers me is that Scott says the Xenomorph is "done", "cooked". "There's only so much snarling you can do."
I'm sorry, Ridley, but that's bs. And this is coming from the guy who made yet another Robin Hood movie and most recently a Bible story, because you know, that material isn't done to death yet.
Judging by how there's still demand for the Xeno in videogames, comics, books and figures, no, this beast isn't "done". It's still very much alive.
You could argue that it looks less threatening nowadays, even the Predator hunts it for sport. Well, make it menacing again. Hire a director who isn't afraid of delivering the blood and gore and with a real talent for horror, like Neil Marshall (not one of those hacks who only rely on jumpscares and loud noises). It doesn't have to be a rehash of "Alien", be creative, ffs. There's a lot of potential. If not horror, then go with action, now there are no limits! Make an awesome alien queen. Let her wreak havoc.
Design new alien variants. Put them in interesting scenarios. I don't know, anything could work with enough inspiration, a good script and love for the creature.
Just saying "Meh, it's too boring now, Imma going to stick with the albino Squidwards" is a poor, lame and lazy-ass excuse.
I didn't see the Deacon as a last minute decision to pander to 'Xeno' enthusuasts, I thought it's appearance was part of the payoff for the goo/life cycle theme that was was playing out, allied to the alien'esque sculpture in the urn room. The Engineers have either distilled the essence of the alien, or are seeking to create the perfect organism. Either way, the Deacon, is one of the clues to how the Giger alien came to be. If indeed the Giger alien is seen as some sort of deity.
If there's not going to be any Xenos then what was the point of the ending scene of the first movie ??? ?
QuoteDid we know?
Yes. If we were paying attention.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 26, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2014, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 26, 2014, 10:01:06 AMI'd love to see the adult Deacon but as for reasons why it my not be in the sequel - Ridley doesn't know his ass from his elbow anymore, it might have been in the film arbitrarily for all we know.
It certianly felt pretty arbitrary. They'd made it clear during development they wanted to move the film away from Alien, but then at the last minute they got cold feet about nothing bursting out of anyone, and threw a token Deacon in.
Either have the Aliens or don't, don't say you're going to remove them and then throw in a half-assed copy anyway.
The deacon itself felt pretty arbitrary but the goo was responsible for more than just that little guy. There is going to be some sort of monster in there I'd wager.
Otherwise why spend so much time developing that plot point if there was no purpose?
It was a modern Ridley Scott movie, who knows the purpose of anything in Prometheus!
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just found it recently ;D
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Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 26, 2014, 07:26:29 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 05:06:55 AM
It's new that we were told something that we already knew?
The very fact there was no Aliens in Prometheus, after the original intention was to make an Alien prequel. Then Riddles said that the Alien has been pretty much wrung dry after four films. Then he said that any potential sequels would likely move even further away from Alien.
Did we know?
All the discussion about this movie here is how the Deacon and the ooze fit into the Xenos.
Some folks didnt care, some folks cared, and now we got some more confirmation into where it's heading. EVENTHOUGH this has been shifting from the start. If you held to one viewpoint then that's good for you but they did not give a clear explanation of what we were seeing.
The Deacon fits perfectly with the Xenomorph. Why do people still have doubts about this? is because the creature does not look so biomechanical as the original?
In my opinion the real mystery is whether Engineers created the Xenomorphs or only found them, since Prometheus is very ambiguous about it.
HOWEVER I agree with you about the Black Goo. This thing seems to be some sort of bioengineering technology and not a weapon itself (read the Jon Spaihts draft)...but unfortunately the movie...again...doesn't explain it very clearly.
Quote from: Gash on Sep 26, 2014, 05:11:38 PM
Personally looking forward to the next stage of the Prometheus / A L I E N lore. "The Engineers were a good start" and I agree.
The same here
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 26, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2014, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 26, 2014, 10:01:06 AMI'd love to see the adult Deacon but as for reasons why it my not be in the sequel - Ridley doesn't know his ass from his elbow anymore, it might have been in the film arbitrarily for all we know.
It certianly felt pretty arbitrary. They'd made it clear during development they wanted to move the film away from Alien, but then at the last minute they got cold feet about nothing bursting out of anyone, and threw a token Deacon in.
Either have the Aliens or don't, don't say you're going to remove them and then throw in a half-assed copy anyway.
The deacon itself felt pretty arbitrary but the goo was responsible for more than just that little guy. There is going to be some sort of monster in there I'd wager.
Otherwise why spend so much time developing that plot point if there was no purpose?
What do you mean with "some sort of monster"? Another completely different species, not related to the xenomorph?
Try watching the first movie, then shutting it off after Shaw's acquired ship leaves the planet, before the Deacon's entrance.
The Prometheus line is meant to move away from the Xenomorph storylines, while still being a part of the same Family. Let me use the Motorhead family of bands as an example: Motorhead is a brother band to Black Sabbath. Same family, different styles. Motorhead is the father-band to Metallica, While Megadeath is a brother band to Metallica. Metallica is the father-band to A7X, with Motorhead as their Grandfather, and Black Sabbath as their Great Uncle, while Megadeath is off doing their hermit uncle thing. Alien is Motorhead. Prometheus is Megadeath.
Quote from: Xenolove on Sep 27, 2014, 02:21:27 AM
The Prometheus line is meant to move away from the Xenomorph storylines, while still being a part of the same Family. Let me use the Motorhead family of bands as an example: Motorhead is a brother band to Black Sabbath. Same family, different styles. Motorhead is the father-band to Metallica, While Megadeath is a brother band to Metallica. Metallica is the father-band to A7X, with Motorhead as their Grandfather, and Black Sabbath as their Great Uncle, while Megadeath is off doing their hermit uncle thing. Alien is Motorhead. Prometheus is Megadeath.
Let us not forget the father of Motorhead in all of this analogous rhetoric...
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but that's besides the point; having subtle nods to Xenos (ie the wall sculpture) without showing them would have been enough to imply the relation while keeping comfortable distance. The fact that they demonstrated/reimagined a full Xeno life cycle and ended on Xeno birth, implied or promised something that will not be continued (abandoned) in the sequel. I like Prometheus; I like flawed films, but I can't ignore Prom's missteps in order to fit it in neatly with an otherwise chronological and logical cosmology.
Quote from: Xenolove on Sep 27, 2014, 02:21:27 AM
The Prometheus line is meant to move away from the Xenomorph storylines, while still being a part of the same Family. Let me use the Motorhead family of bands as an example: Motorhead is a brother band to Black Sabbath. Same family, different styles. Motorhead is the father-band to Metallica, While Megadeath is a brother band to Metallica. Metallica is the father-band to A7X, with Motorhead as their Grandfather, and Black Sabbath as their Great Uncle, while Megadeath is off doing their hermit uncle thing. Alien is Motorhead. Prometheus is Megadeath.
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:D
Is he really so lacking in imagination that he thinks "snarling" is all there is to the Alien? I'd like to imagine it's a quote which has been taken out of context, but given all the strangely off tangent interviews we witnessed during 'Prometheus', I can sort of believe he literally meant it. He's technically proficient, sure, but the creative passion seems to have been left in yesteryear.
This is the same guy who felt bald albino men would be better and more interesting to see on screen, than the original Space Jockeys. The same guy who wanted the 'bio' removed from the 'biomechanical' aesthetics of the Engineer sets.
And, most hypocritically of all, was saying this same stuff about the Alien, while 'Prometheus' was being made - only to wind up including the far inferior (and fake-looking) Deacon, because... What? He found that scary? Impressive in a way Giger's creation somehow couldn't be?
Yes, the Alien's been over-exposed in popular culture, but portray it in the right way and the magic is just as potent as it's ever been - something which hasn't been done successfully for something like thirty years.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 27, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
What? He found that scary? Impressive in a way Giger's creation somehow couldn't be?
he never claimed that. But he's on record as wanting something "different". wich it is.
Anyway, the deacon was just used for a cameo.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 27, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
This is the same guy who felt bald albino men would be better and more interesting to see on screen, than the original Space Jockeys.
How many sentient strange alien creatures have we seen in big budget scifi? How many "greek god-lookalikes"? :P
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 27, 2014, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 27, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
What? He found that scary? Impressive in a way Giger's creation somehow couldn't be?
he never claimed that. But he's on record as wanting something "different". wich it is.
Anyway, the deacon was just used for a cameo.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 27, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
This is the same guy who felt bald albino men would be better and more interesting to see on screen, than the original Space Jockeys.
How many sentient strange alien creatures have we seen in big budget scifi? How many "greek god-lookalikes"? :P
It's not only that...the Engineers are a letdown and may feel lazy design-wise when it comes down to them being the SJ's of the Alien Universe, but when you consider the story RS was trying to tell in combination with the mythology (Nephelem, the "Mayan Astronaut") of our forefathers this alabaster humanoid design works perfectly. Within the franchise/continuity though I'm in the camp that wanted it to be more alien in culture/communication/design. Hopefully in the sequel the more modern Engineers we meet will have continued to modify their bodies with technology to the point that they are truly biomechanical and non-humanoid.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 27, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
Is he really so lacking in imagination that he thinks "snarling" is all there is to the Alien? I'd like to imagine it's a quote which has been taken out of context, but given all the strangely off tangent interviews we witnessed during 'Prometheus', I can sort of believe he literally meant it. He's technically proficient, sure, but the creative passion seems to have been left in yesteryear.
This is the same guy who felt bald albino men would be better and more interesting to see on screen, than the original Space Jockeys. The same guy who wanted the 'bio' removed from the 'biomechanical' aesthetics of the Engineer sets.
And, most hypocritically of all, was saying this same stuff about the Alien, while 'Prometheus' was being made - only to wind up including the far inferior (and fake-looking) Deacon, because... What? He found that scary? Impressive in a way Giger's creation somehow couldn't be?
Yes, the Alien's been over-exposed in popular culture, but portray it in the right way and the magic is just as potent as it's ever been - something which hasn't been done successfully for something like thirty years.
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My hope is that Ridley is able to find the next Giger.....some one who can create a new monster that's worthy of the world of Prometheus; a monster that keeps us awake at night...something completely separate from the alien we know and love.
I would agree with the sentiment that Ridley has lost his mojo. It's a painful process to watch. He's all function with not much form.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 28, 2014, 10:32:49 PMI would agree with the sentiment that Ridley has lost his mojo. It's a painful process to watch. He's all function with not much form.
He hasn't made anything great since
Kingdom of Heaven, and even that got raped by the studio.
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 25, 2014, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
QuoteMost fans were dissapointed
You base this on?
Your face :'(
Seriously? Please don't post nonsense replies such as that.
Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Sep 26, 2014, 11:34:40 PM
How about this? 8)
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just found it recently ;D
Just fan art, I'm afraid.
Personally I'm all for Prometheus 2. It doesn't need Aliens in it to make me happy. I like the exploration of the Space Jockeys - I just want a coherent story for the next one and maybe less rocky environment and more true biomechanical.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 29, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 25, 2014, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
QuoteMost fans were dissapointed
You base this on?
Your face :'(
Seriously? Please don't post nonsense replies such as that.
But it is serious. He was trying to lure me into statistical intercourse and I just wanted to let him know that I didn't like him like that. But it shouldn't happen again; I see how it is now.
By the ways, I hope there is no 2 in the sequel film. I've always found that as a lazy way to title a sequel.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 29, 2014, 06:34:45 PMBy the ways, I hope there is no 2 in the sequel film. I've always found that as a lazy way to title a sequel.
Prometheuses?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 28, 2014, 10:32:49 PM
My hope is that Ridley is able to find the next Giger.....some one who can create a new monster that's worthy of the world of Prometheus; a monster that keeps us awake at night...something completely separate from the alien we know and love.
I would agree with the sentiment that Ridley has lost his mojo. It's a painful process to watch. He's all function with not much form.
I think Ridley made it pretty clear that he had no intentions on repeating himself with
Prometheus or any sequels he's involved in.
Prometheus isn't a monster movie in the same way
ALIEN was. It's more about ideas and exploration of those ideas.
in terrible, unimaginative ways :P
Well it certainly did things that no one expected. When you read some of the fan-fic ideas, Prometheus does appear to be at the very least a pleasantly leftfield examination of unfathomable alien gods, and that is certainly more interesting than the cul-de-sac of alien hordes and a Queen, and facehuggers, chestbursters etc that supposedly tick all the boxes.
The are character flaws, the odd editing issue, no denying it, but the basic idea opens up the alien universe decently. Personally I found it the first 'alien' film since 79 that felt like it was truly connected to that cold, desolate space previously established (with the possible exception of Outland). The planet environment might have been different but the daylight still felt cold and hostile in a desolate foreboding way; the Prometheus may have been pristine compared to a weary refinery ship, yet even a ship built for purpose can't save the humans within from the inhumanity of their first alien encounter.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 29, 2014, 07:50:03 PM
in terrible, unimaginative ways :P
I'll take a flawed film based on someone attempting to try something new and different over a slick looking film based on someone repeating what's been done numerous times before
any day.
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AMI'll take a flawed film based on someone attempting to try something new and different over a slick looking film based on someone repeating what's been done numerous times before any day.
What in
Prometheus did you think was so new and exciting?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 30, 2014, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AMI'll take a flawed film based on someone attempting to try something new and different over a slick looking film based on someone repeating what's been done numerous times before any day.
What in Prometheus did you think was so new and exciting?
The exploration of the ancient astronaut theory?
Early android/artificial intelligence designs and how these beings will interact with their creators - us?
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 10:10:47 AMThe exploration of the ancient astronaut theory?
Early android/artificial intelligence designs and how these beings will interact with their creators - us?
None of that seemed especially new to me. I've seen a bunch of films exploring those ideas. Many of them did it far better.
FYI, I wasn't trolling I was genuinely asking your opinion, based on the above :)
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 10:10:47 AM
The exploration of the ancient astronaut theory?
I would've loved it if they had made a decent stab at that... There are a lot of genuinely interesting dark legends about literal giant humanoids from the stars, which could have been capitalised upon to wonderful dramatic effect. Something which could have actually given thematic credence to the out-of-left-field decision to imply the Space Jockeys were, in fact, giant muscular men.
One more aspect to the production which made me feel it was a collection of squandered opportunities.
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 10:10:47 AM
The exploration of the ancient astronaut theory?
I'd hardly call that new and different.
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 10:10:47 AM
The exploration of the ancient astronaut theory?
Early android/artificial intelligence designs and how these beings will interact with their creators - us?
2001: A Space Odyssey already did that better than any other film ever would.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 30, 2014, 04:58:30 PM
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 10:10:47 AM
The exploration of the ancient astronaut theory?
Early android/artificial intelligence designs and how these beings will interact with their creators - us?
2001: A Space Odyssey already did that better than any other film ever would.
Yes,
2001 and
Mission To Mars briefly touch the concept, but otherwise I know of no feature films that do, unless you wanna include whatever funny reference in some Star Trek, Doctor Who or whatever episode. But then again, there's probably 100s of sci-fi B-movies out there I've never heard about.
My point wasn't that it hadn't been done better; my point was that it is explored so rarely that it appears 'fresh' when someone takes a stab at it.
Stargate, various Star Trek episodes, X-Files, and even the fourth Indiana Jones film and Alien Vs. Predator featured variations on the theme. It's nothing new or 'rare' in cinema or television.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Sep 30, 2014, 05:47:20 PM
Stargate, various Star Trek episodes, X-Files, and even the fourth Indiana Jones film and Alien Vs. Predator featured variations on the theme. It's nothing new or 'rare' in cinema or television.
Well, I was talking about the specific theory that mankind was basically created by the intervention by an extra-terrestrial civilization. Not just a visitation or influencing us in certain aspects. ;)
I would've liked Prometheus as a standalone.
But using the Alien universe to bait us in is the very definition of cheap.
You could've done biomechanical space men without needlessly reintroducing the space jockeys and boneships from the original movie.
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 06:12:00 PM
Well, I was talking about the specific theory that mankind was basically created by the intervention by an extra-terrestrial civilization. Not just a visitation or influencing us in certain aspects. ;)
That's more specific than just 'ancient astronauts' (which has a broader meaning).
Yet still, it's nothing new -- nor has it been explored in
Prometheus in particularly significant ways. It isn't a matter really as being original does not factor in the quality of a film -- the issue is in the presentation, and that's up to our point of view I guess. :)
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 29, 2014, 07:50:03 PM
in terrible, unimaginative ways :P
I'll take a flawed film based on someone attempting to try something new and different over a slick looking film based on someone repeating what's been done numerous times before any day.
So you would basically take half baked, not very tasty attempt on cake from someone who thinks he'll something delicious insted of very good yet certainly repetitive muffin? I'm not sure I get it.
Quote from: Master on Sep 30, 2014, 07:08:03 PM
So you would basically take half baked, not very tasty attempt on cake from someone who thinks he'll something delicious insted of very good yet certainly repetitive muffin? I'm not sure I get it.
Put like that I'm not sure I do either.
She's said her piece. No need to jump all over her for difference of opinion.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 30, 2014, 07:24:47 PM
She's said her piece. No need to jump all over her for difference of opinion.
Sorry but I can't understand how judging something on attempts insted of results can be relevant.
law of diminishing returns
It's relevant if it's more successful than retreading all the expected alien 'franchise' themes. It's opened up possibilities and as Ridley Scott has said, the Engineers are a good start, meaning there's more to be expanded on. If ancient astronauts is a jaded theme, then an 'Aliens 2' as some seem to desire wouldn't have done anything new either. As far as I'm concerned if Scott is a fan of one of the best sci fi scripts ever (Quatermass and the Pit) why shouldn't he try his own take on across a multi film epic?
Ancient astronauts, artificial humans, gods and myths, blind faith; all make for a more compelling story than 'ooh big bad Queen Xeno vs Ripley substitute.
It doesn't really matter what the film was setting up when it was such a mess it killed my interest in seeing any sequels.
Going back to my allegory it's a turd cake with beautiful icing. So what the ideas are there and it looks cool? In the end it does not deliver.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 30, 2014, 08:17:55 PM
It doesn't really matter what the film was setting up when it was such a mess it killed my interest in seeing any sequels.
Indeed, and I fall along this line of thinking.
But if somebody else would rather have a new scifi movie within the Alien universe sans Alien, you can't really blame them.
It can be argued that each installment of the franchise got subsequently weaker until AvPR killed it.
Unless somebody is one of those odd ones that liked Aliens over Alien.
Quote from: Master on Sep 30, 2014, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AM
I'll take a flawed film based on someone attempting to try something new and different over a slick looking film based on someone repeating what's been done numerous times before any day.
So you would basically take half baked, not very tasty attempt on cake from someone who thinks he'll something delicious insted of very good yet certainly repetitive muffin? I'm not sure I get it.
Well, that's not
quite what I was saying... let me ask you this then:
how do you think that 'very good muffin' in your food analogy became a very good muffin?
QuoteYou could've done biomechanical space men without needlessly reintroducing the space jockeys and boneships from the original movie.
And people would've bitched that he should've just tied it into Alien somehow.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 30, 2014, 08:17:55 PM
It doesn't really matter what the film was setting up when it was such a mess it killed my interest in seeing any sequels.
That you will go and watch nevertheless.
Doubtful after they saw what Riddles had in store for the SJ.
It would've just been another thing like the Acturians in the new EU instead of something tying directly in with the franchise.
Kimba, young padawan, already know you - when choice is given of what ended up on screen or what could have; always fanboys there will be, who will want what could have. And loudly whinge, they will.
Probably. But they should've kept their mits out of the alien franchise if they wanted to go in a totally new direction without said franchise.
But logic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 29, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 25, 2014, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
QuoteMost fans were dissapointed
You base this on?
Your face :'(
Seriously? Please don't post nonsense replies such as that.
Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Sep 26, 2014, 11:34:40 PM
How about this? 8)
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just found it recently ;D
Just fan art, I'm afraid.
Personally I'm all for Prometheus 2. It doesn't need Aliens in it to make me happy. I like the exploration of the Space Jockeys - I just want a coherent story for the next one and maybe less rocky environment and more true biomechanical.
Yes, I know, but I could not resist and I wanted to share :) moreover, I also hope a biomechanical and less rocky landscape, and also I wonder if there will be some kind of "God" in the sequel.
I'm just hoping this next Prometheus installment doesn't copy/paste scenes/themes from Galaxy of Terror like the last one did. However I do think, as a few users have already posted above, Prom-bashers will go to see this in cinemas...imho: due to the sheer morbid curiosity of seeing Prometheus attempt to answer the questions/inconsistencies that it posed within the last one.
Prometheus isn't bad imo. Its just exceedingly mediocre.
The only terrible movie with Alien in it is AvPR.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 01, 2014, 12:24:23 AM
Prometheus isn't bad imo. Its just exceedingly mediocre.
The only terrible movie with Alien in it is AvPR.
You know what? From a pure gore porn point-of-view AVPR exceeds AVP, but they are the village idiot brothers of the franchise.
AvP R doesn't even fit in the so bad its good category. I cannot watch it, and I used to binge watch bad movies back in the day for the lulz.
If I had to pick one of the two, I will always pick the first. Which is also exceedingly mediocre but still feels like AvP lite even if it was neutered by the same storytelling as movies like Godzilla 2014. Whereas Requiem just goes full retard with the guns and the blood and dreadlocked aliens smacking other aliens around.
Yup yup. At least the first one had some level of coherence, actual attempt at telling a story, and some pretty interesting set design (I dig the pyramid). It fell on its face a lot, but the movie definitely had its heart in the right place and seemed to try most of the time.
AVPR was just incomprehensibility bad.
Alien vs Predator as a very concept should just be swept under the rug, in my opinion. They tried it, it didn't work, best to just forget and move on. I find the two series more interesting on their own anyways.
They lost AvP when they tried to ground it in reality and fit it into continuity. Should've been a standalone in space in the future isolated from everything else.
The original comic was that way. The first AvP had no story, and the second avp only mentioned the jockeyship from Alien in a personal data file but otherwise was a standalone.
I think it can work. I dug the original AvP comic, and both the two video games. It might only work in a "whoa, that was awesome," popcorn flick movie but it can work.
I had wanted to get all the writers on this board together and leak a fake "script" as an april fools joke pushing all the things that we complain about not having in an AvP movie to see where the interest lay (somebody did that with an Alien V script back in the day that got everybody excited post Res), but I have no time and lay awake at night worry about being broke.
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Quote from: SM on Sep 30, 2014, 10:06:09 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 30, 2014, 08:17:55 PMIt doesn't really matter what the film was setting up when it was such a mess it killed my interest in seeing any sequels.
That you will go and watch nevertheless.
Actually, I was
so disappointed by the first, I'm not sure I'll even bother with the second. Considering the number of films I've missed in the cinema over the years that I actaully
really wanted to see, I doubt I'll be able to get that excited over one I'm not especially looking forward to.
you can never please everyone all the time. thats why i find the idea of the sj being a cthulu type creature and the engineers beings that served the sj's and stole tech from them as for some reason the sj's were occupied somewhere else for some obscure reason .
they adapted the ships and the tech to their needs but ended up killing themselves since they didn't have all the answers on how the tech worked.
and wanted to restart earth with fresh research subjects to start their own research project which was thwarted by an insider still loyal to the sj's.
but realistically probably the sj = engineer and they sj mystery is no more
i just thought the workaround could have retained that sj mystery with all its lovecraftian feel.
then everyone would have been happy........
i tried !!! i tried to help ......... find a solution .......but to no avail
*sigh*
AvP was basically a concept that took Giger's wonderful creations and reduced them to indifferent canon fodder.
Producer John Davis appears to be the main guy responsible for these films becoming a reality and in the same process, bury whatever aspirations other producers, writers or film makers had with this universe - including Ridleys and Camerons ideas.
The AVP concept could work brilliantly. I still say that the original comic could be adapted with with very little modification (largely, making the Alien a genuine and epic challenge for every single Predator confrontation; facing off aganst them should make you an elite, not a common adult) and the basic story would be great to watch on the big screen.
To this day, I still sometimes re-read it from start to finish. Has just the right tone and pacing for a movie.
Quote from: Gash on Sep 30, 2014, 08:13:59 PM
Ancient astronauts, artificial humans, gods and myths, blind faith; all make for a more compelling story than 'ooh big bad Queen Xeno vs Ripley substitute.
I don't think that aiming for an epic sense of scope was the film's problem (and nor do I think '
Aliens' should ever just be assumed to be about gun battles). But the characters do come across as inept/idiotic and the storyline is messy with not much in the way of a logical climactic pay-off. We, the audience, are presented with big questions, sure, but the supposed answers are convoluted as hell and for no good reason: Going by the comments of Scott/Lindelof, they never really had any kind of over-arcing plan in mind and were making stuff up as they went along. Even the black ooze seems inconsistent and they admitted to having no idea of whether it was meant to be a weapon or genetic enhancement simply applied wrong.
If the basic idea of what drove the story had been written in a more logical, plausible fashion, there wouldn't be nearly the same level of criticism levelled against it.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 01, 2014, 10:42:46 AMI don't think that aiming for an epic sense of scope was the film's problem (and nor do I think 'Aliens' should ever just be assumed to be about gun battles). But the characters do come across as inept/idiotic and the storyline is messy with not much in the way of a logical climactic pay-off. We, the audience, are presented with big questions, sure, but the supposed answers are convoluted as hell and for no good reason: Going by the comments of Scott/Lindelof, they never really had any kind of over-arcing plan in mind and were making stuff up as they went along. Even the black ooze seems inconsistent and they admitted to having no idea of whether it was meant to be a weapon or genetic enhancement simply applied wrong.
Wholly agree with this.
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: Master on Sep 30, 2014, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AM
I'll take a flawed film based on someone attempting to try something new and different over a slick looking film based on someone repeating what's been done numerous times before any day.
So you would basically take half baked, not very tasty attempt on cake from someone who thinks he'll something delicious insted of very good yet certainly repetitive muffin? I'm not sure I get it.
Well, that's not quite what I was saying... let me ask you this then:
how do you think that 'very good muffin' in your food analogy became a very good muffin?
By going step by step through script that is really well though. The story should have opening, build up, catharsis and ending. Prometheus have great bulid up, but there is no point nor strong ending whatsoever.
Never bothered me. If humans ever do visit a planet and find evidence of intelligent life it will be all questions and unfathomable mystery. To me, in Prometheus, you have that as a backdrop to David, a humanoid who serves his creator and interacts with physically and mentally inferior people as a servant, until human arrogance and intrigue, frees him.
Quote from: Gash on Oct 01, 2014, 03:21:45 PMNever bothered me. If humans ever do visit a planet and find evidence of intelligent life it will be all questions and unfathomable mystery.
But that's not what we're debating. We're debating the fact that the film was a nonsensical mess, even if you ignore all the extraterrestrial stuff in it.
Didn't find it so.
So you didn't find a supposedly expert biologist petting an unknown alien lifeform that's clearly acting very aggressively more than a little retarded?
Quote from: Master on Oct 01, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AM
how do you think that 'very good muffin' in your food analogy became a very good muffin?
By going step by step through script that is really well though.
I see. So how did that well thought out script aka recipe come into existence? Did it already exist when the very first muffin ever made was baked?
The Steve Irwin analogy.
People who are destined to die in movies usually do something stupid. Just like real people sometimes do.
Quote from: Eva on Oct 01, 2014, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: Master on Oct 01, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: Eva on Sep 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AM
how do you think that 'very good muffin' in your food analogy became a very good muffin?
By going step by step through script that is really well though.
I see. So how did that well thought out script aka recipe come into existence? Did it already exist when the very first muffin ever made was baked?
Yeah, since ancient times :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetics_%28Aristotle%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetics_%28Aristotle%29)
Quote from: Gash on Oct 01, 2014, 04:03:27 PMPeople who are destined to die in movies usually do something stupid. Just like real people sometimes do.
Doing something stupid is one thing. Doing something they would specifically never, ever do as one of the fundamentals of their highly-trained career is another.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 01, 2014, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Gash on Oct 01, 2014, 04:03:27 PMPeople who are destined to die in movies usually do something stupid. Just like real people sometimes do.
Doing something stupid is one thing. Doing something they would specifically never, ever do as one of the fundamentals of their highly-trained career is another.
You conveniently snipped the Steve Irwin analogy that sorta disproves that.
Would any scientist ever experiment on themselves? - the logic behind a highly trained career would suggest not, but history says otherwise.
Having just watched the said scene again, both Fifield and Milburn are obviously nervous, Milburn only appears to be putting on a show of bravado in front of the clearly more panicked Fifiled. He claims "She's mesmerised" before the strike. He made a big mistake, I don't see the problem.
If you're saying Prometheus is a nonsensical film because of Milburn's actions, or even that Milburn is representative of a general lack of plausible science, I just don't find it a big enough bugbear amongst the more interesting themes that are there.
I'm not trying to change your mind, you don't like Promethues much, ok. I do like it quite a lot. Admittedly it works better with knowledge of some of the deleted scenes but I still find it a very good film.
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how do you think that 'very good muffin' in your food analogy became a very good muffin?
By going step by step through script that is really well though.
I see. So how did that well thought out script aka recipe come into existence? Did it already exist when the very first muffin ever made was baked?
Yeah, since ancient times :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetics_%28Aristotle%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetics_%28Aristotle%29)
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That nonsense muffin analogy was
your initial response to something I said that you clearly didn't understand.
Nevermind, I wish I had never offered an opinion in this thread. Should have known better.
Sorry, I seem to have interrupted your discussion on how
Prometheus raped your collective childhoods. Please continue....
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Did somebody mention muffins?
From the main forum index, this thread title always looks like "Ridley Scott Gives Up".
If only.
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Did somebody mention muffins?
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Quote from: Cvalda on Oct 02, 2014, 02:10:56 AM
From the main forum index, this thread title always looks like "Ridley Scott Gives Up".
If only.
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Hey don't joke about it guys. It's not funny. When I first read the topic title in the forum I thought it did say Ridley Scott Gives Up. :'(
I wasn't joking, I was serious. If only he would give up, the first one was bad enough :'(
I sometimes wonder if Scott deserves all the praise he gets. Yeah, Alien and Blade Runner are seminal, no argument there, and he's made quite a few other good films (Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, the full version of Kingdom of Heaven), but he's also made a lot that are forgettable or even dull.
He's not exactly Mr. Consistency.
Who is?
True. I just think the ratio of great to meh isn't really all that high with him.
He has the benefit of making not one but two genre defining films. Nevermind that they were 30 odd years ago.
hudafuk
perhaps
but is there anyone better ??
not attacking simply asking??
life has a balance and i believe ridley has done two of the greatest sci fies ever(in the top 5 of all time definitely) . where do you go after that ?? if you do the same what will happen?
i just think ridley did two original movies - both alien and blade runner were original movies or am i mistaken. and they were copied to death.
or were they ??
if not what set them apart ??
both alien and bladerunner werent thrill a minute movies they build slowly and finally deliver.
that s why they are classics. and cameron came and just build on that and forgot about the space jockey.
Ridley has the ability to see and create something original strange beautful - he has the ability to create composition - and like all work of art not everone allways works that well or will be considered art.
just my two cents....
I don't think it helps that Riddle's recent films have pretty much all been either underwhelming or downright naff. You have to go back quite a way to find something he did that was really good.
Quote from: oduodu on Oct 03, 2014, 08:38:27 AMperhaps
but is there anyone better ??
Scorsese? Cameron? Nolan? Spielberg?
Like them or not, most of the time they hit rather than miss.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 03, 2014, 08:57:34 AM
I don't think it helps that Riddle's recent films have pretty much all been either underwhelming or downright naff. You have to go back quite a way to find something he did that was really good.
Quote from: oduodu on Oct 03, 2014, 08:38:27 AMperhaps
but is there anyone better ??
Scorsese? Cameron? Nolan? Spielberg?
Like them or not, most of the time they hit rather than miss.
i am not very knowledgable on movies and directors so out pure lack of knowledge : are they better ?? i am asking because i really dont know.
my question is if them being better will they have made a better alien prequel ??
Quote from: oduodu on Oct 03, 2014, 09:03:42 AMmy question is if them being better will they have made a better alien prequel ??
That's not really what I'm saying. People just started saying Scott has lost it somewhat as a director, and I agreed.
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Quote from: oduodu on Oct 03, 2014, 09:03:42 AMmy question is if them being better will they have made a better alien prequel ??
That's not really what I'm saying. People just started saying Scott has lost it somewhat as a director, and I agreed.
oh ok
maybe he has .........
noted
LOL
is the relevance of him losing it as a director the reason why prometheus was .......well whatever people say it was ???
is that the cause of the prometheus we got ??
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 01, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
The AVP concept could work brilliantly. I still say that the original comic could be adapted with with very little modification (largely, making the Alien a genuine and epic challenge for every single Predator confrontation; facing off aganst them should make you an elite, not a common adult) and the basic story would be great to watch on the big screen.
Granted it's been sometime since I last read it but I always thoughts Briggs' script was just fine as it was and would have made a great film.
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If they basic idea of what drove the story had been written in a more logical, plausible fashion, there wouldn't be nearly the same level of criticism levelled against it.
And that is Lindelof's problem in a nutshell. He simply can't do logical. He wants spectacle and ambiguous - something Ridley Scott also wanted apparently.
Quote from: Gash on Oct 01, 2014, 04:03:27 PM
The Steve Irwin analogy.
People who are destined to die in movies usually do something stupid. Just like real people sometimes do.
Firstly, so far as I know, Irwin wasn't in the same profession - and was getting paid to
deliberately put himself at risk. That's a whole world away (no pun intended) from an expedition to an alien world where very
strict protocols about quarantine and contamination should have been getting observed. He didn't even take along any equipment for safe handling of organisms, for crying out loud.
Secondly, it wasn't just his actions, alone. The ship is supposedly crewed by leading experts, but it's just one example of a
pattern of ineptitude; all of which starts with Shaw's other half removing his helmet - and the rest of them idiotically following suit. I could buy Weyland doing it, because he's being portrayed as arrogant to the hilt (part of why I preferred Henriksen's version), but these guys? No... It's like the scientists in this session say: After a certain point, you're actively rooting for them to
die, purely for entertainment value and that's not an end result you want when writing a story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osBFSuTRTqk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osBFSuTRTqk#ws)
Also, like they say, there is the distinct feeling that Ridley Scott and co
did have advisors on hand, but probably chose to ignore them for cheap thrills.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 03, 2014, 11:17:55 AM
Granted it's been sometime since I last read it but I always thoughts Briggs' script was just fine as it was and would have made a great film.
I'm still very intrigued at what the unseen later draft included...
It needed much less in the way of an Alien body-count (confronting one should have been portrayed as so insanely dangerous, that it's their rite of passage to become an elite, not merely an adult), but otherwise hopped along at a nice pace. Considering the first draft was written over a weekend or so, it held together relatively well. It's difficult to judge until we get access to a later version.
QuoteAnd that is Lindelof's problem in a nutshell. He simply can't do logical. He wants spectacle and ambiguous - something Ridley Scott also wanted apparently.
That's really the issue, from what I can tell. Scott was pushing for that angle and encouraging it, compounding the issue. It's just a huge shame that, for all the deliberate attempt at mystery, there isn't one moment which comes close to the here-be-dragons feel of that original Space Jockey reveal, which is what he
should have been going for.
Kind of interesting to see that '
Isolation' is disproving his statements about how the Alien supposedly can't be portrayed as scary anymore, though... Wonder if he'll do a 180 if he's shown some of the more relevant footage.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 03, 2014, 01:42:08 PMSecondly, it wasn't just his actions, alone. The ship is supposedly crewed by leading experts, but it's just one example of a pattern of ineptitude; all of which starts with Shaw's other half removing his helmet - and the rest of them idiotically following suit. I could buy Weyland doing it, because he's being portrayed as arrogant to the hilt (part of why I preferred Henriksen's version), but these guys? No... It's like the scientists in this session say: After a certain point, you're actively rooting for them to die, purely for entertainment value and that's not an end result you want when writing a story.
Sums up my problem with the characters far better than I managed myself.
Some scientists need lighten up before Stephen Hawking runs them over in his wheelchair.
I think the sequel could be a horror movie, even without xenomorphs in it. They could make a story based on the mythologies about fallen angels, or as in Paradise Lost. Who knows, maybe they could answer the question of Dr Shaw: Who made them?
On the other hand, there were many elements that made Alien a horror movie, not only the creature:
1. A dystopian future ruled by mega-corporations, with old ships and lots of technological devices that seem like obsolete scrap.
2. A brilliant soundtrack, which takes us into this world ruled by fear of the unknown.
3. The characters in Alien, much better developed than in Prometheus. In Alien there is no escape from his concept of slasher-in-space. There are many mundane things, like everything around the cat, and the cold relationship of his characters, all elements that are the guide to make even more alien, the xenomorph.
4. The claustrophobic atmosphere, something that was not present in Prometheus.
Anyway, something tells me that Ridley Scott will not make a horror movie. But I'm very curious to learn more about the Engineers.
Is the Prometheus supposedly crewed by experts? Fifield says he's there for the money, the others are only briefed on the mission on arrival. To me the crew is there as part of the Weyland subterfuge, to make it look like a mission for Shaw and Holloway, whilst David is working behind them all to ensure Weyland meets his maker.
Quote from: Gash on Oct 04, 2014, 02:33:22 AMIs the Prometheus supposedly crewed by experts? Fifield says he's there for the money, the others are only briefed on the mission on arrival. To me the crew is there as part of the Weyland subterfuge, to make it look like a mission for Shaw and Holloway, whilst David is working behind them all to ensure Weyland meets his maker.
Sure, let's spend who knows how many billions building this spaceship and sending it further out into deep space than any manned mission has ever been before, with Weyland himself going along desperately hoping the operation will be a success and grant him a means to extend his life... and then really guarantee the success of the whole thing by crewing the ship with a bunch of bargain bin retards.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 03, 2014, 01:42:08 PMFirstly, so far as I know, Irwin wasn't in the same profession - and was getting paid to deliberately put himself at risk.
There is no counter argument to the "Steve Irwin" analogy that doesn't make everyone involved an idiot. Just stop. STOP.
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Quote from: Gash on Oct 04, 2014, 02:33:22 AMIs the Prometheus supposedly crewed by experts? Fifield says he's there for the money, the others are only briefed on the mission on arrival. To me the crew is there as part of the Weyland subterfuge, to make it look like a mission for Shaw and Holloway, whilst David is working behind them all to ensure Weyland meets his maker.
Sure, let's spend who knows how many billions building this spaceship and sending it further out into deep space than any manned mission has ever been before, with Weyland himself going along desperately hoping the operation will be a success and grant him a means to extend his life... and then really guarantee the success of the whole thing by crewing the ship with a bunch of bargain bin retards.
Weyland has invested everything in David, his confidante throughout the mission even when he's in hypersleep. There's no-one amongst the crew that Weyland needs, other than security guards and apparently someone of faith for his own peace of mind.
"Is there an agenda we're not being told about?" Yes, there is. You're (Holloway, Shaw, etc) superfluous.
Quote from: Gash on Oct 07, 2014, 08:21:24 PMWeyland has invested everything in David, his confidante throughout the mission even when he's in hypersleep. There's no-one amongst the crew that Weyland needs, other than security guards and apparently someone of faith for his own peace of mind.
Yes, those terribly effective security guards who served him so well, half of whom got killed only to magically reappear in the next scene.
This film was a mess.
Well, one anyway.
Prometheus crashing into the juggernaur finally took care of them.
But since they were nameless and faceless, no one missed them and it had no bearing on the film being "a mess".
Might as well have crew made up a bald convicts...
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Prometheus crashing into the juggernaur finally took care of them.
But since they were nameless and faceless, no one missed them and it had no bearing on the film being "a mess".
Might as well have crew made up a bald convicts...
Or Davids.....
Is there actually hope that we'll get another* decent Alien movie one day, since Scott apparently just wants to do movies about Suit Jockeys and other creatures?
*fixed
Doubt it.
That first one with John Hurt and Ian Holm and that sucked balls.
Oh man. I wanted to write "another" ::) ;D
I wouldn't be surprised if FOX is attempting to open this up so Alien can go on by itself in tandem with Prometheus.
At least, I hope so, because I will remind everyone again that if this isn't the case, we will no doubt end up with an ALIEN remake.
There is also a good chance we will get a remake and a sequel with the same film. IE: A Remake that can also be a sequel if you want it be.
In my fan-obsessed mind, Im hoping the Sgourney Weaver's interest has led Fox Execs to ask Ridley to re-draft PROMETHEUS 2 so that a third film can cross over with ALIEN 5 and feature Ripley's final story.
Weaver seems eager to do it, Im sure somewhere between her and Ridley during EXODUS, this has come up.
So, On Saturday I went to the Belfast comic-con, and attempted to try and dig some Prometheus 2 news myself. How you may ask. Well it just so happens that Mr. Ian Whyte was in attendance, the 'Last Engineer' (not to mention the famous wolf predator and Scar from AVP and AVPR respectively). I'd like to take the time to mention that he is a gentleman and very down to earth, easy to talk to and also 7 FOOT 1!
When talking with him I told him how I loved Prometheus and thought his performance of the Engineer was malevolent and frightening. And of course I asked him if he had heard anything bout Prometheus 2 or indeed if he was possibly going to perhaps appear in the sequel.
He laughed and said "I don't know if there is going to be a prometheus 2 to be honest." before continuing There are a lot of rumours going around at the moment about it but we will wait and see what happens."
So I don't know what you guys think, but I do get the feeling that the likelihood of a Prometheus 2 is becoming increasingly unlikely.
Good.
Thanks for posting this. Its always good to hear when the actors are so approachable and easy going.
I didn't realize he was that TALL! :o
P.S.
Nice pic :)
I'd dunk on him.
As he was rising up out of the chair My jaw dropped at his height! :o I almost felt like David in Prometheus when the engineer awakens hahaha. He was a great guy, and as I said very approachable. Got him to sign my blu ray copy of Prometheus that has his face as the front cover. Now it sits proudly along with my Giger signature and Alien cinemaquette statue. ;D
Well, even though it is more logical to think that the movie is stuck in development hell, we should not forget that Alien and Aliens are separated by 6 years. The same happens between Alien and Alien 3 and so on with the rest of the franchise (including the AVP films).
So Prometheus 2 it's still possible, and I think the real question is who will be the director of the sequel.
Other options could be; a potential Alien 5 or a AVP reboot.
I don't think it's stuck in development hell - I just think Riddles is too busy with other stuff.
Aliens took so long because Alan Ladd Jnr left Fox in 1979 and because Alien was done under his tenure, the new regime wanted nothing to do with it. When the regime changed again, Fox got interested again. Alien3's hold up has been well documented.
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2014, 11:17:55 PM
I don't think it's stuck in development hell - I just think Riddles is too busy with other stuff.
Aliens took so long because Alan Ladd Jnr left Fox in 1979 and because Alien was done under his tenure, the new regime wanted nothing to do with it. When the regime changed again, Fox got interested again. Alien3's hold up has been well documented.
;D But one thing's for sure; the sequel will be ready between 2017 and 2018, not before that.
It's been written so 2016 is possible.
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
It's been written so 2016 is possible.
Only if the director is working on two films simultaneously. Remember that the filmmaker is also working on the film "The Martian".
I did say "possible".
Not "likely". ;D
2016 eh? Finally, something to live for! :P
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2014, 11:17:55 PM
I don't think it's stuck in development hell - I just think Riddles is too busy with other stuff.
Aliens took so long because Alan Ladd Jnr left Fox in 1979 and because Alien was done under his tenure, the new regime wanted nothing to do with it. When the regime changed again, Fox got interested again. Alien3's hold up has been well documented.
SM
what ?? they refused to make a sequel because someone else was in charge ??
DEAR Lord
why did Alan Ladd Jnr leave fox ??
why was the new regime interested again ??
is there a place where i can read up on this because really this is gold.
someone should write an article on the fox - brandywine - alien franchise relationship/history.
actually they should make a movie or tv series about it.
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=WIZwZOz8LHsC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=why+did+alan+ladd+jr+leave+fox&source=bl&ots=FKhxl2uAIe&sig=eClCC6Z7MZtiKC7H70OAFPnV1hE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oK1QVOTcFsv9ywO4w4GQBg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=why%20did%20alan%20ladd%20jr%20leave%20fox&f=false (http://books.google.co.za/books?id=WIZwZOz8LHsC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=why+did+alan+ladd+jr+leave+fox&source=bl&ots=FKhxl2uAIe&sig=eClCC6Z7MZtiKC7H70OAFPnV1hE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oK1QVOTcFsv9ywO4w4GQBg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=why%20did%20alan%20ladd%20jr%20leave%20fox&f=false)
i see
ok ok i see
alien was less protective of them young minds while star wars was all childrens bums on seats. so alien was macho and star wars was toys r us.
see that now
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/hr-giger/30522/hr-giger-and-the-making-of-alien (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/hr-giger/30522/hr-giger-and-the-making-of-alien)
from this
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But thanks to a confluence of intersecting talents, expertly brought together under the sure hand of Ridley Scott, Alien transcended all expectations of what a genre could be. It was visually daring, psychologically incisive, and as scary as hell.
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If they would just hire some talent they could have a universe to work with. What with DC have a huge lineup and Marvel having a huge line up. Fox could have a Predator, Alien, Prometheus, and AVP movie that all linked up in subtle ways. Perhaps culminate in AVP.
QuoteSM
what ?? they refused to make a sequel because someone else was in charge ??
Happens all the time. New people come in and want to put their stamp on things rather than be tied to what the previous people did.
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why did Alan Ladd Jnr leave fox ??
I've heard that he copped a lot of internal flak over the Star Wars sequel and licensing deal he cut with Lucas. Cost Fox a lot in future earnings. Don't know how true that is or whether it made his position untenable. Maybe he just wanted a change.
Quotewhy was the new regime interested again ??
The regime that wasn't interested in a sequel departed and whoever came in probably looked at their properties and saw what could be exploited.
Quoteis there a place where i can read up on this because really this is gold.
someone should write an article on the fox - brandywine - alien franchise relationship/history.
Brandywine, to the best of my knowledge, as an active production company comprising Giler, Hill and Carroll pretty much ended after Alien. Giler and Hill had their own thing after that called the Phoenix Company.
Prometheus is credited as a Scott Free/Brandywine production.
There's a 1973 low budget horror called Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things that is also credited as a Brandywine production but I'm guessing that's not related.
Quote from: Gash on Nov 01, 2014, 09:58:58 AM
Prometheus is credited as a Scott Free/Brandywine production.
There's a 1973 low budget horror called Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things that is also credited as a Brandywine production but I'm guessing that's not related.
On Alien, David Giler and Walter Hill (Brandywine) had a clause in their contract with Fox that stated that any sequel or spinoff to the first film will automatically net them a producer's credit & paycheck. Even if they didn't have diddly squat do to with the films after Alien 3. That's why you also see them credited as producers on the AvP flicks.
do they get any royalties for all those movies after alien ??
Probably.
Quote from: Naissus on Oct 29, 2014, 11:49:21 AM
If they would just hire some talent they could have a universe to work with. What with DC have a huge lineup and Marvel having a huge line up. Fox could have a Predator, Alien, Prometheus, and AVP movie that all linked up in subtle ways. Perhaps culminate in AVP.
This. This is exactly the kind of thing that would be interesting to do. It's something that probably could help the studio realize that they have a wealth of things that they can do with this franchise that they are not taking advantage of.