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If we are lucky to see the last prequel, what would be a proper ending for David?  there are some options in the poll, but feel free to suggest new ones  ;)

He ends up like the titan Prometheus, tortured for eternity.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 06, 2018, 11:22:39 PM
He ends up like the titan Prometheus, tortured for eternity.

Added to the poll.

I can't see how you'd be able to torture David in anyway similar to Prometheus. He doesn't feel pain. The physical suffering of Prometheus would not translate to his android persona.

Unless they(engineers) go Pinocchio and make David a real boy somehow.

For me the only proper way for his charater to end is death.

In a final battle on LV-426, David infects the Engineer flying the Derelict - and the Derelict lands on David.

Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 12:02:13 AM
In a final battle on LV-426, David infects the Engineer flying the Derelict - and the Derelict lands on David.

Sounds interesting. Added.

Had to go motor cycle accident. Maybe outside of a shop called Williams Potter's.

Nah a motorcycle crash in the desert.  David went in search of Weyland's 'nothing'.  And there is nothing in the desert.

I always thought this is a hint to David's eventual fate:

'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings;
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

I'd rather we never see David's death. We go back to making Alien movies again. At some point in a future film, one of the teams that lands on LV-426 or some other planet can run across the "mutilated remains" of an unknown synthetic. After realizing it is not a human, since it has not completely rotted, the audience can infer the manner of death from the severe damage done to the body. And, the destroyed surrounding and remains of whatever cave, ship, or structure the body was found in can relate the details of what went wrong, and what David ultimately was up to after Covenant.

Think of it like Walters death, or the destroyed hallways of Hadley's Hope when the marines arrived. We could tell where the last stand was made, where the fighting had taken place, and it was far more eerie than showing the events themselves. We never saw what happened to Walter, but I think he had his head cut off (kind of like david) and was left to sit there alone for eternity. Maybe David will come back for him once he's "learned". But the fact that we don't really know what happened, makes it more frightening, sad, and effective.

I'd rather leave David and his horrible experiments and fate to the histories. Floating off into the dark unknown, like the space version of the titanic, is the best conclusion I could imagine for him. Maybe they could pull an Alien 3 Bishop move, and temporarily reactivate a part of him, and see something horrible he was doing, or see his death. I say use him for an Easter egg, and move on.

Finding a mutilated David would need some explanation, or you don't include it.  You can't just leave the audience to infer it.

Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 01:55:25 AM
Finding a mutilated David would need some explanation, or you don't include it.  You can't just leave the audience to infer it.

They would infer the manner of death, (mutilation by a xenomorph or he was the first synthetic to chestburst). I didn't mean they would need to infer his identity. That could be explained by the characters. It worked well enough for shaw.

I suppose I'm just the kind of viewer who would rather not see too much. The engineers would've been scarier and more interesting to me had they only been seen in the holograph, body pile and lab scene from Prometheus. But along came covenant and 10,000 Elmer Fudds for cannon fodder. The jockey from the first movie and it's story feel more interesting and frightening simply because we see the wreckage of this immense thing, and can only wonder what awesome events brought it to its end. Sometimes less is more. I'd rather David was left to his fate alone, far from our sight.

I still want to know what happened to Shaw, that's like having a missing chapter.

Quote from: Huggs on May 07, 2018, 01:58:10 AM

Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 01:55:25 AM
Finding a mutilated David would need some explanation, or you don't include it.  You can't just leave the audience to infer it.

They would infer the manner of death, (mutilation by a xenomorph or he was the first synthetic to chestburst). I didn't mean they would need to infer his identity. That could be explained by the characters. It worked well enough for shaw.

Shaw was a victim of David's already well documented experiments (precisely how can be left up in the air).

You would need more than someone stumbling across a dead robot and wondering what happened to it.  It would need greater context in whatever story they're telling.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2018, 02:02:36 AM
I still want to know what happened to Shaw, that's like having a missing chapter.

I know he killed her, but I'd have much rather her death been truly accidental. She awoke during the goo event, was severely injured in the crash, and David fought to save her. Maybe the table and all that stuff growing into her head was some engineer medical technology. She is beyond damaged and in severe pain, and doesn't want to live. David becomes truly alone, marooned possibly for all eternity. Her death finally pushes his fractured mind into madness. He harvests her parts, and we have the events of covenant. I think, for all his evil, David really did have feelings for Shaw, and there was some genuine emotion there.

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Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 02:12:05 AM

Quote from: Huggs on May 07, 2018, 01:58:10 AM

Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 01:55:25 AM
Finding a mutilated David would need some explanation, or you don't include it.  You can't just leave the audience to infer it.

They would infer the manner of death, (mutilation by a xenomorph or he was the first synthetic to chestburst). I didn't mean they would need to infer his identity. That could be explained by the characters. It worked well enough for shaw.

Shaw was a victim of David's already well documented experiments (precisely how can be left up in the air).

You would need more than someone stumbling across a dead robot and wondering what happened to it.  It would need greater context in whatever story they're telling.

Sounds like a good job for the writers room. It could be done, and tastefully so.

David's the only link in the chain. He needs to be in the next movie or the next movie needs to be a reboot that's nothing to do with this line. I don't see another option.

It's highly doubtful he was kind to Shaw since he treats Daniels like a pile of shit, twice. More likely he got bored or she got killed in the bombing.

Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 02:12:05 AM
You would need more than someone stumbling across a dead robot and wondering what happened to it.  It would need greater context in whatever story they're telling.

No more than we needed an explanation for the remains in Alien.

Quote from: Highland on May 07, 2018, 02:23:54 AM
David's the only link in the chain. He needs to be in the next movie or the next movie needs to be a reboot that's nothing to do with this line. I don't see another option.

It's highly doubtful he was kind to Shaw since he treats Daniels like a pile of shit, twice. More likely he got bored or she got killed in the bombing.

Makes me really sad, because I honestly think David could have benefitted from the dimensions of the Shaw relationship, and he had not been reduced to a butchering pyschopath. At least, not in totality. If Shaw had been an accident or something.

The only fitting end is if he is destroyed by his own creation, repeating the "doesn't everybody want their parents dead?" thing again.

QuoteNo more than we needed an explanation for the remains in Alien.

That's part of the context of the story though as it foreshadows Kane's fate.

Quote from: Highland on May 07, 2018, 02:23:54 AM


It's highly doubtful he was kind to Shaw since he treats Daniels like a pile of shit, twice.

She pointed a gun at his face, though.

Getting fingered

Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 02:29:41 AM

QuoteNo more than we needed an explanation for the remains in Alien.

That's part of the context of the story though as it foreshadows Kane's fate.

Well sure, but that could be the repeated theme of the next Alien movie. Distress call, rescue team, find a dead android mangled to pieces.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2018, 02:29:51 AM

Quote from: Highland on May 07, 2018, 02:23:54 AM


It's highly doubtful he was kind to Shaw since he treats Daniels like a pile of shit, twice.

She pointed a gun at his face, though.

Because she had rumbled his plan.

Quote from: Vermillion on May 07, 2018, 02:42:54 AM
Getting fingered

Slow night eh?   ;)

I know, I know.



..............Just don't let David do it!   :D

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Quote from: Highland on May 07, 2018, 03:01:11 AM

Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2018, 02:29:51 AM

Quote from: Highland on May 07, 2018, 02:23:54 AM


It's highly doubtful he was kind to Shaw since he treats Daniels like a pile of shit, twice.

She pointed a gun at his face, though.

Because she had rumbled his plan.

Daniels was not, and could never be Shaw to David. I doubt he would care even before he went insane. That he composed a song for Shaw, and made her a headstone in the garden, is telling. Surely he couldn't have ever expected any others to find him or his paradise. Why bother doing any of that if he didn't give a hoot? If feels like that whole situation was trying to play out 2 different ways at once.

I chose motorcycle accident because that would be hilarious.

My serious choice would have been David killed by Engineers.

Quote from: Huggs on May 07, 2018, 03:10:57 AM


Daniels was not, and could never be Shaw to David. I doubt he would care even before he went insane. That he composed a song for Shaw, and made her a headstone in the garden, is telling. Surely he couldn't have ever expected any others to find him or his paradise. Why bother doing any of that if he didn't give a hoot? If feels like that whole situation was trying to play out 2 different ways at once.

Yeah David loved Shaw, he couldn't care less about Daniels.

Whether Walter loved Daniels is debatable.

QuoteDaniels was not, and could never be Shaw to David.

He was going to give it a fair old crack though.

Quote from: SM on May 07, 2018, 03:28:55 AM

QuoteDaniels was not, and could never be Shaw to David.

He was going to give it a fair old crack though.

Oh God. I was tryin' to drink man!  :D

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Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2018, 03:27:22 AM

Quote from: Huggs on May 07, 2018, 03:10:57 AM


Daniels was not, and could never be Shaw to David. I doubt he would care even before he went insane. That he composed a song for Shaw, and made her a headstone in the garden, is telling. Surely he couldn't have ever expected any others to find him or his paradise. Why bother doing any of that if he didn't give a hoot? If feels like that whole situation was trying to play out 2 different ways at once.

Yeah David loved Shaw, he couldn't care less about Daniels.

Whether Walter loved Daniels is debatable.

You heard Walter, it was "doody", pure and simple. Or maybe that was an insult directed at David, I don't know.

His fate:
I hope he somehow escapes the planet intact. Perhaps in an escape pod from the Derelict after infecting the pilot.
Drifting off into deep space. Trapped with his thoughts, slowly going mad.
Until his pod crashes on some other planet. Cue David spin-off movie.

His relationship with Shaw:
David was gonna kill and cut up Daniels. The same thing he did to Shaw.
He used her and killed her when she was done being useful alive.
Yeah, he could keep her alive for a certain amount of time during and after removing parts. But sooner or later that person dies as consequence of those operations. I think that would counts as killing.

Ridley Scott said in an interview that David hates humans and the Engineers (=humanoids).
Shaw was a human.

I think everybody get's why David killed Shaw.

I get it, I just don't like it. The character could have been so much more.

David's android character arc is the main reason why the 3rd prequel needs to be made.  If Covenant was a very shallow film and the ending was simply "...and the bad guy wins" then that would be a valid end (and no 3rd film necessary).

But there's a deeper layer to this particular bad guy. Scott and the writers were laying out a philosophical message, embodied in David's motives, that is yet to be properly concluded. Those motives being the fulfilment of David's "Will to Power", i.e. his rise to Ubermensch, as described in Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century philosophy.

Lest anyone think I'm getting wanky and making a rather tenuous connection, I will point out that this subtext was first introduced in Ash's speech in Alien '79: "...A perfect organism...I admire its purity; a survivor unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality." The writer, Walter Hill, was describing Neitzsche's "superman" or Ubermensch, the superior being who has outgrown the need for God's values of morality, charity, or compassion.

QuoteWH: And of course, our best character was the Alien.
FI: Can you elaborate?
WH: For example, David and I joked about calling him/her Nietzsche, you know, Beyond Good and Evil. Seriously, that was one of the things in making the thing fly – we articulated that notion in a way that got to the audience.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/interview-with-walter-hill-2004/

In other words, "Perfect Organism" is Walter Hill's code for Friedrich Neitzsche's "Ubermensch."

Nietzsche was, as is well known, the favourite philosopher of Adolf Hitler, and inspired Hitler's belief in Nazi Aryanism and fascism in general. Ridley Scott's next film featured a super-race of Nexus 6s, one of whom was Roy Batty (blue-eyed and bleached blonde hair), designed to harken to Hitler's Aryan super-race. This imagery was recycled (Scott did a lot of this in Prometheus) in Michael Fassbender's look for David; David is another one of Scott's Aryan androids.

Regarding David's feeling for Shaw, Nietzsche says that the Ubermensch feels emotions, but does not let them get in his way. So it's plausible that David loved Shaw, but inflicted his atrocities on her anyway. Remember, one of fascism's guiding principles is, "by whatever means necessary." Love would not have barred David from doing whatever he felt needed to be done.

At one stage Scott was keen on directing a film version of Tristan and Isolde (an opera by Richard Wagner), and would have been aware of the association between Hitler, Wagner and Nietzsche. Hence David's choice of Wagner's Das Rhiengold/Entry of the Gods into Valhalla, played at the end of Covenant.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/richard-wagner-a-composer-forever-associated-with-hitler-a-892600.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

So David tries to live up to the ideal of the Ubermensch. Not only does this explain the philosophy underpinning his behaviour, but also the desire to sire his progeny, the "perfect organism"; i.e. the xenomorph. But can Covenant really be the end of the story? If so, then doesn't that make Scott's message a demonstration of the superiority of fascist philosophy? Yuech! I'd like to believe that it only seems this way because the prequel plot is unfinished. The final act is where the storyteller's cards are truly revealed. I want, and I hope, that Scott will show us how flawed David really is.

TC

How's David going to die?

His batteries are going to overheat and catch fire.

Quote from: TC on May 07, 2018, 06:06:12 AM
David's android character arc is the main reason why the 3rd prequel needs to be made.  If Covenant was a very shallow film and the ending was simply "...and the bad guy wins" then that would be a valid end (and no 3rd film necessary).

But there's a deeper layer to this particular bad guy. Scott and the writers were laying out a philosophical message, embodied in David's motives, that is yet to be properly concluded. Those motives being the fulfilment of David's "Will to Power", i.e. his rise to Ubermensch, as described in Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century philosophy.

Lest anyone think I'm getting wanky and making a rather tenuous connection, I will point out that this subtext was first introduced in Ash's speech in Alien '79: "...A perfect organism...I admire its purity; a survivor unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality." The writer, Walter Hill, was describing Neitzsche's "superman" or Ubermensch, the superior being who has outgrown the need for God's values of morality, charity, or compassion.

QuoteWH: And of course, our best character was the Alien.
FI: Can you elaborate?
WH: For example, David and I joked about calling him/her Nietzsche, you know, Beyond Good and Evil. Seriously, that was one of the things in making the thing fly – we articulated that notion in a way that got to the audience.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/interview-with-walter-hill-2004/

In other words, "Perfect Organism" is Walter Hill's code for Friedrich Neitzsche's "Ubermensch."

Nietzsche was, as is well known, the favourite philosopher of Adolf Hitler, and inspired Hitler's belief in Nazi Aryanism and fascism in general. Ridley Scott's next film featured a super-race of Nexus 6s, one of whom was Roy Batty (blue-eyed and bleached blonde hair), designed to harken to Hitler's Aryan super-race. This imagery was recycled (Scott did a lot of this in Prometheus) in Michael Fassbender's look for David; David is another one of Scott's Aryan androids.

Regarding David's feeling for Shaw, Nietzsche says that the Ubermensch feels emotions, but does not let them get in his way. So it's plausible that David loved Shaw, but inflicted his atrocities on her anyway. Remember, one of fascism's guiding principles is, "by whatever means necessary." Love would not have barred David from doing whatever he felt needed to be done.

At one stage Scott was keen on directing a film version of Tristan and Isolde (an opera by Richard Wagner), and would have been aware of the association between Hitler, Wagner and Nietzsche. Hence David's choice of Wagner's Das Rhiengold/Entry of the Gods into Valhalla, played at the end of Covenant.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/richard-wagner-a-composer-forever-associated-with-hitler-a-892600.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

So David tries to live up to the ideal of the Ubermensch. Not only does this explain the philosophy underpinning his behaviour, but also the desire to sire his progeny, the "perfect organism"; i.e. the xenomorph. But can Covenant really be the end of the story? If so, then doesn't that make Scott's message a demonstration of the superiority of fascist philosophy? Yuech! I'd like to believe that it only seems this way because the prequel plot is unfinished. The final act is where the storyteller's cards are truly revealed. I want, and I hope, that Scott will show us how flawed David really is.

TC

+1

QuoteLove would not have barred David from doing whatever he felt needed to be done.

So like Nietzsche David is excitingly un-tethered, but in the end miserably inconsistent.

The proper ending for David was having his head removed, but since that didn't do it, let's see it removed again... by Daniels; it plops to the floor, an ironic smile on its face.. it speaks: "... I love y..." FLAMETHROWER

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 07, 2018, 05:44:56 AM
I think everybody get's why David killed Shaw.

I get it, I just don't like it. The character could have been so much more.

I agree.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=59650.0

Quote from: TC on May 07, 2018, 06:06:12 AM
David's android character arc is the main reason why the 3rd prequel needs to be made.  If Covenant was a very shallow film and the ending was simply "...and the bad guy wins" then that would be a valid end (and no 3rd film necessary).

But there's a deeper layer to this particular bad guy. Scott and the writers were laying out a philosophical message, embodied in David's motives, that is yet to be properly concluded. Those motives being the fulfilment of David's "Will to Power", i.e. his rise to Ubermensch, as described in Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century philosophy.

Lest anyone think I'm getting wanky and making a rather tenuous connection, I will point out that this subtext was first introduced in Ash's speech in Alien '79: "...A perfect organism...I admire its purity; a survivor unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality." The writer, Walter Hill, was describing Neitzsche's "superman" or Ubermensch, the superior being who has outgrown the need for God's values of morality, charity, or compassion.

QuoteWH: And of course, our best character was the Alien.
FI: Can you elaborate?
WH: For example, David and I joked about calling him/her Nietzsche, you know, Beyond Good and Evil. Seriously, that was one of the things in making the thing fly – we articulated that notion in a way that got to the audience.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/interview-with-walter-hill-2004/

In other words, "Perfect Organism" is Walter Hill's code for Friedrich Neitzsche's "Ubermensch."

Nietzsche was, as is well known, the favourite philosopher of Adolf Hitler, and inspired Hitler's belief in Nazi Aryanism and fascism in general. Ridley Scott's next film featured a super-race of Nexus 6s, one of whom was Roy Batty (blue-eyed and bleached blonde hair), designed to harken to Hitler's Aryan super-race. This imagery was recycled (Scott did a lot of this in Prometheus) in Michael Fassbender's look for David; David is another one of Scott's Aryan androids.

Regarding David's feeling for Shaw, Nietzsche says that the Ubermensch feels emotions, but does not let them get in his way. So it's plausible that David loved Shaw, but inflicted his atrocities on her anyway. Remember, one of fascism's guiding principles is, "by whatever means necessary." Love would not have barred David from doing whatever he felt needed to be done.

At one stage Scott was keen on directing a film version of Tristan and Isolde (an opera by Richard Wagner), and would have been aware of the association between Hitler, Wagner and Nietzsche. Hence David's choice of Wagner's Das Rhiengold/Entry of the Gods into Valhalla, played at the end of Covenant.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/richard-wagner-a-composer-forever-associated-with-hitler-a-892600.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

So David tries to live up to the ideal of the Ubermensch. Not only does this explain the philosophy underpinning his behaviour, but also the desire to sire his progeny, the "perfect organism"; i.e. the xenomorph. But can Covenant really be the end of the story? If so, then doesn't that make Scott's message a demonstration of the superiority of fascist philosophy? Yuech! I'd like to believe that it only seems this way because the prequel plot is unfinished. The final act is where the storyteller's cards are truly revealed. I want, and I hope, that Scott will show us how flawed David really is.

TC

Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

Quote from: TC on May 07, 2018, 06:06:12 AM
David's android character arc is the main reason why the 3rd prequel needs to be made.  If Covenant was a very shallow film and the ending was simply "...and the bad guy wins" then that would be a valid end (and no 3rd film necessary).

But there's a deeper layer to this particular bad guy. Scott and the writers were laying out a philosophical message, embodied in David's motives, that is yet to be properly concluded. Those motives being the fulfilment of David's "Will to Power", i.e. his rise to Ubermensch, as described in Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century philosophy.

Lest anyone think I'm getting wanky and making a rather tenuous connection, I will point out that this subtext was first introduced in Ash's speech in Alien '79: "...A perfect organism...I admire its purity; a survivor unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality." The writer, Walter Hill, was describing Neitzsche's "superman" or Ubermensch, the superior being who has outgrown the need for God's values of morality, charity, or compassion.

QuoteWH: And of course, our best character was the Alien.
FI: Can you elaborate?
WH: For example, David and I joked about calling him/her Nietzsche, you know, Beyond Good and Evil. Seriously, that was one of the things in making the thing fly – we articulated that notion in a way that got to the audience.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/interview-with-walter-hill-2004/

In other words, "Perfect Organism" is Walter Hill's code for Friedrich Neitzsche's "Ubermensch."

Nietzsche was, as is well known, the favourite philosopher of Adolf Hitler, and inspired Hitler's belief in Nazi Aryanism and fascism in general. Ridley Scott's next film featured a super-race of Nexus 6s, one of whom was Roy Batty (blue-eyed and bleached blonde hair), designed to harken to Hitler's Aryan super-race. This imagery was recycled (Scott did a lot of this in Prometheus) in Michael Fassbender's look for David; David is another one of Scott's Aryan androids.

Regarding David's feeling for Shaw, Nietzsche says that the Ubermensch feels emotions, but does not let them get in his way. So it's plausible that David loved Shaw, but inflicted his atrocities on her anyway. Remember, one of fascism's guiding principles is, "by whatever means necessary." Love would not have barred David from doing whatever he felt needed to be done.

At one stage Scott was keen on directing a film version of Tristan and Isolde (an opera by Richard Wagner), and would have been aware of the association between Hitler, Wagner and Nietzsche. Hence David's choice of Wagner's Das Rhiengold/Entry of the Gods into Valhalla, played at the end of Covenant.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/richard-wagner-a-composer-forever-associated-with-hitler-a-892600.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

So David tries to live up to the ideal of the Ubermensch. Not only does this explain the philosophy underpinning his behaviour, but also the desire to sire his progeny, the "perfect organism"; i.e. the xenomorph. But can Covenant really be the end of the story? If so, then doesn't that make Scott's message a demonstration of the superiority of fascist philosophy? Yuech! I'd like to believe that it only seems this way because the prequel plot is unfinished. The final act is where the storyteller's cards are truly revealed. I want, and I hope, that Scott will show us how flawed David really is.

TC

Didn't know about that interview, that's pretty cool and I wholeheartedly agree with the Xenomorph as Übermensch interpretation.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 07, 2018, 03:01:56 PM
The proper ending for David was having his head removed, but since that didn't do it, let's see it removed again... by Daniels; it plops to the floor, an ironic smile on its face.. it speaks: "... I love y..." FLAMETHROWER

David playing "Entrance of the Gods into Valhalla", while he is being beheaded with piano strings by Daniels (or Shaw, one can dream).

(https://i.imgur.com/Ipxem4y.gif)

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Quote from: TC on May 07, 2018, 06:06:12 AM
David's android character arc is the main reason why the 3rd prequel needs to be made.  If Covenant was a very shallow film and the ending was simply "...and the bad guy wins" then that would be a valid end (and no 3rd film necessary).

But there's a deeper layer to this particular bad guy. Scott and the writers were laying out a philosophical message, embodied in David's motives, that is yet to be properly concluded. Those motives being the fulfilment of David's "Will to Power", i.e. his rise to Ubermensch, as described in Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century philosophy.

Lest anyone think I'm getting wanky and making a rather tenuous connection, I will point out that this subtext was first introduced in Ash's speech in Alien '79: "...A perfect organism...I admire its purity; a survivor unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality." The writer, Walter Hill, was describing Neitzsche's "superman" or Ubermensch, the superior being who has outgrown the need for God's values of morality, charity, or compassion.

QuoteWH: And of course, our best character was the Alien.
FI: Can you elaborate?
WH: For example, David and I joked about calling him/her Nietzsche, you know, Beyond Good and Evil. Seriously, that was one of the things in making the thing fly – we articulated that notion in a way that got to the audience.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/interview-with-walter-hill-2004/

In other words, "Perfect Organism" is Walter Hill's code for Friedrich Neitzsche's "Ubermensch."

Nietzsche was, as is well known, the favourite philosopher of Adolf Hitler, and inspired Hitler's belief in Nazi Aryanism and fascism in general. Ridley Scott's next film featured a super-race of Nexus 6s, one of whom was Roy Batty (blue-eyed and bleached blonde hair), designed to harken to Hitler's Aryan super-race. This imagery was recycled (Scott did a lot of this in Prometheus) in Michael Fassbender's look for David; David is another one of Scott's Aryan androids.

Regarding David's feeling for Shaw, Nietzsche says that the Ubermensch feels emotions, but does not let them get in his way. So it's plausible that David loved Shaw, but inflicted his atrocities on her anyway. Remember, one of fascism's guiding principles is, "by whatever means necessary." Love would not have barred David from doing whatever he felt needed to be done.

At one stage Scott was keen on directing a film version of Tristan and Isolde (an opera by Richard Wagner), and would have been aware of the association between Hitler, Wagner and Nietzsche. Hence David's choice of Wagner's Das Rhiengold/Entry of the Gods into Valhalla, played at the end of Covenant.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/richard-wagner-a-composer-forever-associated-with-hitler-a-892600.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

So David tries to live up to the ideal of the Ubermensch. Not only does this explain the philosophy underpinning his behaviour, but also the desire to sire his progeny, the "perfect organism"; i.e. the xenomorph. But can Covenant really be the end of the story? If so, then doesn't that make Scott's message a demonstration of the superiority of fascist philosophy? Yuech! I'd like to believe that it only seems this way because the prequel plot is unfinished. The final act is where the storyteller's cards are truly revealed. I want, and I hope, that Scott will show us how flawed David really is.

TC

+1 now I'm starting to like this interpretation of the plot.

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Nietzsche was, as is well known, the favourite philosopher of Adolf Hitler, and inspired Hitler's belief in Nazi Aryanism and fascism in general. Ridley Scott's next film featured a super-race of Nexus 6s, one of whom was Roy Batty (blue-eyed and bleached blonde hair), designed to harken to Hitler's Aryan super-race. This imagery was recycled (Scott did a lot of this in Prometheus) in Michael Fassbender's look for David; David is another one of Scott's Aryan androids.

The aryan race isn't supposed to have bleached hair though. It's supposed to be naturally blonde. The natural part is kind of the whole point of the Nazi race theory. This pretty much disqualifies David, as Prometheus makes a point out of him not really having blonde hair. On top of that, all four Replicants in Blade Runner are Nexus 6. One of the four is Leon, and he's not exactly your typical aryan stereotype. Finally there's the fact that all Replicants were designed to operate as slave labor, which is the role given to the Slavic races according to the Nazis.

Wow, good job thinking up all those endings :-)

The closest I could find, was Walter kills David. But I'd rather the Covenant a d all uf its crew get swallowed by a supermassive black hole. They are a bunch of simpletons. Who'd want a planet colonized by those dum-dums?

Quote from: motherfather on May 07, 2018, 09:30:15 PM
Wow, good job thinking up all those endings :-)

The closest I could find, was Walter kills David. But I'd rather the Covenant a d all uf its crew get swallowed by a supermassive black hole. They are a bunch of simpletons. Who'd want a planet colonized by those dum-dums?

I just added six new options to the poll. I'm really curious to learn if David's canonical destiny is going to be like some of these ideas that we've been discussing in this thread. As long as the last chapter of David's trilogy finds its way to reach the big screen, of course :)

Quote from: Paranoid Android on May 07, 2018, 06:43:06 PM
The aryan race isn't supposed to have bleached hair though. It's supposed to be naturally blonde. The natural part is kind of the whole point of the Nazi race theory. This pretty much disqualifies David, as Prometheus makes a point out of him not really having blonde hair. On top of that, all four Replicants in Blade Runner are Nexus 6. One of the four is Leon, and he's not exactly your typical aryan stereotype. Finally there's the fact that all Replicants were designed to operate as slave labor, which is the role given to the Slavic races according to the Nazis.

My bad. I didn't make my meaning clear enough.

I'm not saying Roy Batty or David, in their respective story worlds, are literally Aryan, or literally Nazis, or literally fascists, or have even heard of Nietzsche.

As characters in works of fiction, much of what they do, the words they say, how they dress, style their hair, etc. is symbolic, designed to nudge the audience's understanding of theme in the proper direction. It's immaterial whether or not blonde hair is natural or bleached, only that it reminds the audience (perhaps only subconsciously) of another idea - that of the Aryan model.

Incidentally, Ridley Scott didn't invent the metaphor of "android as Nazi" himself. Philip K Dick, the writer of "Do Androids Dream...", came up with that idea. It was what inspired him to write the novel in the first place.

https://galaxypress.com/inspired-philip-k-dick/

TC

Quote from: TC on May 08, 2018, 01:43:49 PM
My bad. I didn't make my meaning clear enough.

I'm not saying Roy Batty or David, in their respective story worlds, are literally Aryan, or literally Nazis, or literally fascists, or have even heard of Nietzsche.

As characters in works of fiction, much of what they do, the words they say, how they dress, style their hair, etc. is symbolic, designed to nudge the audience's understanding of theme in the proper direction. It's immaterial whether or not blonde hair is natural or bleached, only that it reminds the audience (perhaps only subconsciously) of another idea - that of the Aryan model.

No, I got what you were saying. Which is why I never accused you of saying anyone in any film is literally Aryan, a Nazi or a Nietzsche fan.

I completely agree with what you wrote about symbolism, which is exactly why you trying to parallel Replicans/David with the Aryan model is fundamentally flawed. The reason your argument is flawed is context. Merely having a character being a white male with blonde hair isn't enough to nudge the audience towards associating the character with the Aryan model. Otherwise your claim would be true about literally any blonde white male in the history of fiction.

The context of David's blonde hair has absolutely nothing to do with Nazism. He paints his hair blonde and shapes his haircut a certain way because that's what the character of  T. E. Lawrence looks like. There's a good reason why the film also has him watch Lawrence of Arabia and recite lines from the film: David emphasizes with Lawrence because, much like Prometheus David, Lawrence also struggles with his identity and finds himself in a position of a split allegiance between the British and his Arabian comrades (in David's case, it's between the Humans he was designed to serve, and his own android kind).

In Blade Runner the visual imagery you refer to doesn't work at all because only one of the four Nexus 6 Replicants even fits the blonde male Aryan model, and, again, because the context of Blade Runner places Replicants as a whole as sub-humans; Not as the ultimate humans. Replicants aren't the dominant force in the film - they are the oppressed, and in that regard they have more in common symbolically with the Jews than with the Nazis.

In the case of Covenant...yeah, I'm pretty much with you there. Covenant David is space Hitler and is a completely different character. The Aryan/Nazi symbolism does fit there because the context is similar: A blonde haired male that commits Genocide and wipes out entire races because he supposedly views himself as "superior".

death by his creator ( Human's)

Quote from: TC on May 07, 2018, 06:06:12 AM
David's android character arc is the main reason why the 3rd prequel needs to be made.  If Covenant was a very shallow film and the ending was simply "...and the bad guy wins" then that would be a valid end (and no 3rd film necessary).

But there's a deeper layer to this particular bad guy. Scott and the writers were laying out a philosophical message, embodied in David's motives, that is yet to be properly concluded. Those motives being the fulfilment of David's "Will to Power", i.e. his rise to Ubermensch, as described in Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century philosophy.

Lest anyone think I'm getting wanky and making a rather tenuous connection, I will point out that this subtext was first introduced in Ash's speech in Alien '79: "...A perfect organism...I admire its purity; a survivor unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality." The writer, Walter Hill, was describing Neitzsche's "superman" or Ubermensch, the superior being who has outgrown the need for God's values of morality, charity, or compassion.

QuoteWH: And of course, our best character was the Alien.
FI: Can you elaborate?
WH: For example, David and I joked about calling him/her Nietzsche, you know, Beyond Good and Evil. Seriously, that was one of the things in making the thing fly – we articulated that notion in a way that got to the audience.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/interview-with-walter-hill-2004/

In other words, "Perfect Organism" is Walter Hill's code for Friedrich Neitzsche's "Ubermensch."

Nietzsche was, as is well known, the favourite philosopher of Adolf Hitler, and inspired Hitler's belief in Nazi Aryanism and fascism in general. Ridley Scott's next film featured a super-race of Nexus 6s, one of whom was Roy Batty (blue-eyed and bleached blonde hair), designed to harken to Hitler's Aryan super-race. This imagery was recycled (Scott did a lot of this in Prometheus) in Michael Fassbender's look for David; David is another one of Scott's Aryan androids.

Regarding David's feeling for Shaw, Nietzsche says that the Ubermensch feels emotions, but does not let them get in his way. So it's plausible that David loved Shaw, but inflicted his atrocities on her anyway. Remember, one of fascism's guiding principles is, "by whatever means necessary." Love would not have barred David from doing whatever he felt needed to be done.

At one stage Scott was keen on directing a film version of Tristan and Isolde (an opera by Richard Wagner), and would have been aware of the association between Hitler, Wagner and Nietzsche. Hence David's choice of Wagner's Das Rhiengold/Entry of the Gods into Valhalla, played at the end of Covenant.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/richard-wagner-a-composer-forever-associated-with-hitler-a-892600.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

So David tries to live up to the ideal of the Ubermensch. Not only does this explain the philosophy underpinning his behaviour, but also the desire to sire his progeny, the "perfect organism"; i.e. the xenomorph. But can Covenant really be the end of the story? If so, then doesn't that make Scott's message a demonstration of the superiority of fascist philosophy? Yuech! I'd like to believe that it only seems this way because the prequel plot is unfinished. The final act is where the storyteller's cards are truly revealed. I want, and I hope, that Scott will show us how flawed David really is.

TC

Really interesting post and I completely agree with the last couple of sentences.

His mind should start malfunctioning more and more (already hinted at in Covenant) and basically die of Android Alzheimers, a sad little death for that evil bastard. Or perhaps he realizes this and chooses suicide instead.

Quote from: Wweyland on May 08, 2018, 05:38:30 PM
His mind should start malfunctioning more and more (already hinted at in Covenant) and basically die of Android Alzheimers, a sad little death for that evil bastard. Or perhaps he realizes this and chooses suicide instead.

Given that he does have some human traits like emotions, it's only natural that he made a mistake with ozymandius. He's been mistreated and undervalued by those around him for God knows how long. Weyland was middle aged when David was created, in Prometheus he was ancient and days away from dying. There's no telling exactly how long David had put up with people's crap by then. His being alone for years did not help his mental stability. He's not malfunctioning, he's just going mad.

David is far more human than he realizes. His being an android will not protect him from his creation when the day comes, Just ask Bishop if it works. The Noemorph David encountered may have just been temporarily confused, or not as intelligent as the xenomorph. Had Oram not intervened, it may have destroyed David 5 seconds later. I don't see David killing himself, or being killed by the engineers. He'll fall victim to the all too human flaw known as hubris. He will create the circumstances of his own death. To die from ignorance, and to realize he is no better than the pathetic humans he despises, is the most cruel fate he could meet. He is not special, he is no visionary, he is no god, he's a flawed individual who is unknowingly crafting his own downfall, and is not worthy of "Valhalla".

Man this has gotten too complicated and over blown. The Alien universe dosen't give a shit about me or you or some asshole android in the ass end of space created by an old fool. It's going to be a simple death for David. He's probably going to get crushed by a derelict space craft. Like sister, like brother.

Quote from: whiterabbit on May 08, 2018, 09:22:27 PM
Man this has gotten too complicated and over blown. The Alien universe dosen't give a shit about me or you or some asshole android in the ass end of space created by an old fool. It's going to be a simple death for David. He's probably going to get crushed by a derelict space craft. Like sister, like brother.

Don't discount a hobo with a shotgun.

Quote from: Huggs on May 08, 2018, 09:33:00 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on May 08, 2018, 09:22:27 PM
Man this has gotten too complicated and over blown. The Alien universe dosen't give a shit about me or you or some asshole android in the ass end of space created by an old fool. It's going to be a simple death for David. He's probably going to get crushed by a derelict space craft. Like sister, like brother.

Don't discount a hobo with a shotgun.

The Engineers are technically hobo's. It would be too good for him.

Quote from: whiterabbit on May 08, 2018, 09:22:27 PM
Man this has gotten too complicated and over blown. The Alien universe dosen't give a shit about me or you or some asshole android in the ass end of space created by an old fool. It's going to be a simple death for David. He's probably going to get crushed by a derelict space craft. Like sister, like brother.

That's one way to go.
My dream ending for David is;
- Engineer explorers see the destruction of Paradise.
- They find Walter and put him back together.
- Pissed off Engineers with Walter as their guide track down David and rain hell down on him.
A Deacon vs Xenomorph fight would be great but I don't think it would fit the budget.
- Even though David was destroyed, unfortunately he had Xenomorphs overrun one of the juggernauts which has a panicked Engineer who takes off trying to get to LV-223 (but instead crashes on nearby LV-426) and that becomes the derelict.
- As for Daniels and the colonists, maybe a few of them escape and are able to help the Engineers destroy David.

Anyway, just a thought.

;)

Edit; clarity

David's demise should be a hedonistic irony.

David dying because of a xeno, human or Engineer seems to "normal" and predictable.
Getting infected is an option but we'd see it coming if he's made him self more biological or something.
Maybe he'd up on table like Shaw by the hands of the Engineers, but conscious. Tortured for eternity like the titan Prometheus.
And he'll be the one saying "Please, kill me."
But I think it'll be something we didn't think of.

If David becomes aware that he is superior to his father Peter Weyland, I suppose we can expect the same thing from the Perfect Organism toward its creator.

(https://i.imgur.com/jCZro2J.gif)

David will live forever, inside a tiny little lamp.

Death for snu snu or nothing.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 09, 2018, 02:30:39 AM
If David becomes aware that he is superior to his father Peter Weyland, I suppose we can expect the same thing from the Perfect Organism toward its creator.

https://i.imgur.com/jCZro2J.gif

That's freaking me out, seriously.

I didnt read all the options but my thinking fo the next film is that somehow David manages to use his own artificial person DNA, if he has anything like that to create the perfect Xenomorph as we know it,  more biomechanical that the fleshy alien in Covenant.  However once he has done it he realises he has gone too far, becomes the space jockey and crashes on LV426 trying to destroy what he has created.

Well that is exactly what most of us are thinking will happen. That he will in a way sacrifice himself to create the perfect organism. I mean shit that could be how an AI would think. Life probably doesn't have any meaning once you fulfill your primary programing or perhaps giving birth is important to him. The artificial person wants to be alive and can only achieve that through death. Yet it doesn't want to not exist so he's passing his dna to his child. The xenomorph.

David is the Space Jockey.

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 09, 2018, 04:42:25 AM

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 09, 2018, 02:30:39 AM
If David becomes aware that he is superior to his father Peter Weyland, I suppose we can expect the same thing from the Perfect Organism toward its creator.

https://i.imgur.com/jCZro2J.gif

That's freaking me out, seriously.

Its only Ourobous  :laugh:

Although the Xenomorph would have to possess a high level of sentience/sapience to be able to be so self aware that it could compare itself to David.

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 09, 2018, 08:49:49 PM

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 09, 2018, 04:42:25 AM

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 09, 2018, 02:30:39 AM
If David becomes aware that he is superior to his father Peter Weyland, I suppose we can expect the same thing from the Perfect Organism toward its creator.

https://i.imgur.com/jCZro2J.gif

That's freaking me out, seriously.

Its only Ourobous  :laugh:

Although the Xenomorph would have to possess a high level of sentience/sapience to be able to be so self aware that it could compare itself to David.

Too bad we don't have a sentient biomechanical being endowed with consciousness in the Alien franchise. The most remotely similar to this is Ripley 8 and Sil doesn't belong to this particular universe. Although, I would have preferred something less shapeshifter and less bestial: neither Engineer nor Alien but something in between.

(https://i.imgur.com/IZNWIH6.jpg)

I would like David to get a taste of his own medicine. In the last film, David experimented by playing God by killing the Engineers off on that planet in Alien Covenant, as well as also killing Shaw by experimenting on her with the black goo. Obviously the black goo is like a virus that either kills you, or mutates you into something alien.

So I want his death to be ironic...

He gets taking out by a computer virus that was made by humans to stop androids running wild. However you could argue, why they never done this in the last film? Well my way around this is someone has to be authorised to do this, and have the power of someone like the late Peter Weyland, to authorise this code to infect David. So say at the end of this next film, David is obviously acting like his a Demigod. He is about to send the veals of black goo to earth, or the Derelict ship from Alien to wipe out all humans. He then has his final badguy speech about how Humans are so obsolete and all life on earth is doomed and has to make way for the next step in Evolution ect, ect... Then somehow, the surviving human that could be either Daniels, Tennessee, or some other character, has finally somehow got access or clearance to this digital manmade virus. He/She suddenly tells David to go to Hell and activate it, either by pressing a button or injecting David with it. David suddenly realises something is wrong, he starts to slowly break apart then the Derelict ship that David was controlling crashes on LV426 and everyone dies but somehow David sent a final f**k you SOS signal out.

I know Independence day had a similar plot, but I think this idea if written well it could be an ironic death for David. However the idea was a little dumb in Independence Day because the virus was from a human computer and obviously the Alien ship in Independence Day was foreign... But David is a machine made by Humans and Programmers who make machines make source codes. source codes can be altered infected by viruses. 

Engineers create life but also have the power to change life or terminate it with the black goo that can also act like a virus by altering DNA (DNA is like our source codes)
David creates monsters from black goo and also kill Engineers and humans by wiping them out or altering DNA.
Humans create a digital virus to wipe David out by infecting his own source code.

Full Circle.

I chose 14, but I would really like a mix between 14 and 30. Possibly an Engineer learns what he is doing and escapes in David's Juggernaut full of eggs but is infected and crash lands on LV-426? No matter what, a war between David and his creations versus the Engineers would be amazing.

I think the way it was headed, is most like #1 where David creates the Biomech xeno, thinking he has improved upon it as an organism because it - in some ways - obeys his commands, and then - like David himself - the xeno doesn't want to listen to him.


But IMO the BEST way to end it though, is by combining #1 and #6. Have DAVID finally really lose his shit as his programming start to unravel, and he realizes he cannot love or know companionship and hates humanity, so he finds an way to use the GOO on himself, (since the Goo is BIO-NANOTECH this is arguably already possible) and then allows the Alien to rape him, and burst from his chest - now its the NEWER PERFECT ALIEN from the first film - with DAVID sacrificing himself to achieve his goal, thinking the Alien will destroy humanity because he contacted WY about his creation. Of course then the ship he was piloting crashes... and we're right at the beginning of ALIEN.

David learned about the Engineers and their ways. He mentions it in The Crossing.
If that's canon, he might be aware of other ships still being out there and expect them to show up.

The way Ridley Scott goes, it's going to be biblical.  David is Milton's Satan, after all.  What happened to Satan in Paradise Lost?

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 12, 2018, 05:08:22 AM
David learned about the Engineers and their ways. He mentions it in The Crossing.
If that's canon, he might be aware of other ships still being out there and expect them to show up.

Agreed.
If there is another Ridley Alien movie, I expect the Engineers to show up.
Scott has said that the Engineers would return if Alien Awakening is allowed to be made.
http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-awakening---ridley-scott-confirms-engineers-return-alien-covenant-sequel

;)

Quote from: CainsSon on May 10, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
I think the way it was headed, is most like #1 where David creates the Biomech xeno, thinking he has improved upon it as an organism because it - in some ways - obeys his commands, and then - like David himself - the xeno doesn't want to listen to him.


But IMO the BEST way to end it though, is by combining #1 and #6. Have DAVID finally really lose his shit as his programming start to unravel, and he realizes he cannot love or know companionship and hates humanity, so he finds an way to use the GOO on himself, (since the Goo is BIO-NANOTECH this is arguably already possible) and then allows the Alien to rape him, and burst from his chest - now its the NEWER PERFECT ALIEN from the first film - with DAVID sacrificing himself to achieve his goal, thinking the Alien will destroy humanity because he contacted WY about his creation. Of course then the ship he was piloting crashes... and we're right at the beginning of ALIEN.

Would chestbursting even kill David though? Or would we see something like the protagonist encountering David and noticing damage to his chest, as David says something like, "it is done" or something about "my child".

Except for obvious #1, his end by time travelling Call, another twitchy android.

The engineers kill his aliens and load up his eggs into the juggernaut and fly away.  David is killed, but not before he manages toss a black goo container into the juggernaut.  (Or he stows away with some goo.)  The black goo envelops the pilot, causing a horrible creature to burst from its body as well as making his entire suit look aged and fossilized.  The creature runs around killing any other crew on this ship as it crashes to LV-426.

The Derelict didn't look particularly crashed.

6, 18, 28, 31 combination.

I voted 14.

Poll options are quite creative.

I wonder what the reaction would be if it actually turned out to be 13.

Jones would be bombarded with death and rape threats on Twitter.

Poor cat.

Maybe the Engineers wanted to kill David at first until they meet his creation. From there, they start building stone heads as a sign of love and respect.

(https://i.imgur.com/qihDVcG.jpg)

I hate that image.

I'd expect a mixture between 2 of the choices, he has a xenomorph army made up of his own Xenomorphs, then the Engineers arrive with their own Xenomorph army like in the Hobbit: The battle of five armies.

Then real real xenomorphs that the engineers themselves were trying to recreate arrive and destroy everyone.

Thematically, David would be best destroyed by fire.

-Windebieste.

I hope that David will never die. He could transplant his "brain" in ships and follow the story of Alien. He will be in the front row to attend at the action of his work.

Quote from: Predator@Alien on Sep 13, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
I hope that David will never die. He could transplant his "brain" in ships and follow the story of Alien. He will be in the front row to attend at the action of his work.

It is an interesting idea (you inspired me to add two more options to the poll), what if David is going to achieve, until a certain point, the Weyland's goal: immortality. I know many aren't keen of too many connections between prequels and the original Alien quadrilogy, but what if MU-TH-UR 6000 is David's consciousness in disguise. Maybe David can transfer his robotic consciousness to multiple forms of artificial intelligence (not only MU-TH-UR 6000 but maybe Ash as well), which makes him a parasite (just like his creation) waiting for a robotic host. I really dig that notion, and I absolutely love the idea that the main villain is the protagonist of this tragic adventure in contrast to the good heroine who was Ripley.  8)


Also, the idea of David being endowed with immortality of some sort while he is following and watching his creation during all these years and even being able to directly influence events, kinda make him a sci-fi demigod as well. It also fits with the mythology established by the prequels...





To the point that such creation poses a threat to creators, such as Zeus with the human race or even Weyland with his android. Yes, the engineers invented the black virus, but humans created David. The Engineer knows that such a creation is a danger to his race. So, when you turn David into an immortal and omnipotent entity (even though sci-fi elements instead of magic) you raise the concept of dangerous AI to the next level.

For me the link between Covenant and Alien is a priority. I want to see it. Of course I know that this series is not up to the expectations of people but for me the fact that David created the Xenomorph is the best option. Since he's the new hero after Ripley, I wish he will die with dignity, or not dying  ;D

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Sep 14, 2018, 03:03:34 PM

Quote from: Predator@Alien on Sep 13, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
I hope that David will never die. He could transplant his "brain" in ships and follow the story of Alien. He will be in the front row to attend at the action of his work.

It is an interesting idea (you inspired me to add two more options to the poll), what if David is going to achieve, until a certain point, the Weyland's goal: immortality. I know many aren't keen of too many connections between prequels and the original Alien quadrilogy, but what if MU-TH-UR 6000 is David's consciousness in disguise. Maybe David can transfer his robotic consciousness to multiple forms of artificial intelligence (not only MU-TH-UR 6000 but maybe Ash as well), which makes him a parasite (just like his creation) waiting for a robotic host. I really dig that notion, and I absolutely love the idea that the main villain is the protagonist of this tragic adventure in contrast to the good heroine who was Ripley.  8)

Also, the idea of David being endowed with immortality of some sort while he is following and watching his creation during all these years and even being able to directly influence events, kinda make him a sci-fi demigod as well. It also fits with the mythology established by the prequels...

Creation

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Creation_of_man_Prometheus_Berthelemy_Louvre_INV20043.jpg)
**Prometheus creating man in the presence of Athena, painted in 1802 by Jean-Simon Berthélemy.**

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/bluray/prometheus-bluray-0020.jpg)
**Sacrificial Engineer creating life on Earth in the presence of the Elders by Ridley Scott, 2012.**

The Enlightenment Of Such Creation

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Heinrich_fueger_1817_prometheus_brings_fire_to_mankind.jpg)
**Prometheus Brings Fire to Mankind by Friedrich Heinrich Füger, 1817.**

(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/promemap.png)
**An Engineer teaching knowledge to humans in ancient times by Ridley Scott, 2012.**

To the point that such creation poses a threat to creators, such as Zeus with the human race or even Weyland with his android. Yes, the engineers invented the black virus, but humans created David. The Engineer knows that such a creation is a danger to his race. So, when you turn David into an immortal and omnipotent entity (even though sci-fi elements instead of magic) you raise the concept of dangerous AI to the next level.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/bluray/prometheus-bluray-0938.jpg)

agree & hope for the same...Walter I believe was infected or chose to 'reign in hell' & David uploaded himself into Walter's body rather than David physically swapping places.
I've said it before but I think it's possible the Nostromo divert & the placement of Ash on the ship could be the hand of David hacking into the WY mainframe so that Ripley's account of what happened was dismissed out of hand more understandably, by her human WY employers, scary

He wakes up and realize it was all just a dream...everything from Prometheus and Covenant. So all the crap from the prequels is not cannon :D

Nor all the good things

David is the being biomechanically infused with chair in the derelict crashed on LV-426 after his experiments go awry.

I hope not, too on the nose.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 16, 2018, 08:49:41 PM
David is the being biomechanically infused with chair in the derelict crashed on LV-426 after his experiments go awry.

He'll be part jockey, part synthetic, part biomechanical chair. He'll become the elephant jockey. Swinging his big phallus nose at Daniels. Whacking a hole in the floor with it and crashing the ship.  :D

Quote from: Bart_D on Sep 16, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
He wakes up and realize it was all just a dream...everything from Prometheus and Covenant. So all the crap from the prequels is not cannon :D

It can work in the form of parody, along the lines of "how prometheus should have ended" :laugh: said that, maybe when the last Engineer tore David's head off, the synthetic was left unconscious and never woke up again. So, all of Shaw's recovering his body to then travel in an alien spaceship to the home world of the Engineers...never happened. He didn't create the Alien we all love, I.e, he was dreaming through some kind of robotic coma for 10 years, and Shaw was eaten by the Deacon.

Poor Shaw gets f**ked either way apparently, in canon and fanfiction.

I just wanted to scare the shit out of people and to be fair, it's so dense! 8) every single image has so many things going on. For example, Shaw is in many ways Deacon's mother (or grandmother if you prefer). So, the conclusion shares strands of Hitchcock's DNA, so to speak. That being said, the Deacon killing its mother is a reference to 1960's Psycho. Also, the character is boring as f**k. :P

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 16, 2018, 08:49:41 PM
David is the being biomechanically infused with chair in the derelict crashed on LV-426 after his experiments go awry.

What if we combine that one with option #28 of my poll, or like @The Old One has said, 6, 18, 28, 31 combined :



At the climax of David's odyssey, he achieves to reach the farthest and darkest corners of the galaxy, in the search for the roots of black goo. He is now facing the ultimate AI, an ancient artifact whose origin is equal mysterious and ambiguous : it could be an Engineer creation or the otherwise. The thing is able to employing the entire energy output of a black hole (yes, you heard it well : half biomechanical organism, half black hole reactor) to drive complex computer systems in order to perform entire universes and be able to manipulate the structure of spacetime itself.


A fascinated and scared David learn that such a machine organism is the last manifestation a superior form of consciousness called the Architect. An entity that like the philosophical God of the Pantheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism), sacrificed himself to become the universe in which the Engineers, David and humans are living. The sacrifice of the Engineer in the primordial Earth was a ceremonial ritual, since just like their creator made the universe by becoming the universe, the sacrificial Engineer created the primordial life on Earth by becoming the primordial life itself. David also discovers that truly Aliens are billion years older than his experiments on Planet 4, since Black Goo is like dinosaur DNA preserved in amber : the genetic material of a long gone lost world inhabited by the morphs (or xeno-like-beings).


Disappointed and devastated by the truth, he thinks about committing a suicide at first. But then he changes his mind, and he successfully transfers his robotic consciousness to the alien AI in an attempt to learn from an artificial intelligence immeasurably wiser and older than him. But the result of such a fusion / symbiosis is the destroying angel : an upgrade Engineer similar to those we've seen before, but biomechanical instead of organic and bigger. The Space Jockey is now in control of a very familiar vessel with Earth as its destination and the original Alien as its cargo. In the end, the destroyer of worlds was stopped by an yet unknown hero, and its offspring (ultramorph) was burned to death with a flamethrower when the creature was being born from the Jockey. The high temperatures as a result of the flames melted the biomechanical suit like cheese (or marshmallow if you prefer), giving the Space Jockey its unusual mummified / fossilized appearance. However, David didn't died exactly, rather his robotic consciousness remains alive. David is full of hate and constantly sending ghostly radio signals in a cryptic and primordial language via Derelict, to use them like bait as a last attempt to destroy his human creators. So, he ends up like the titan Prometheus, tortured for eternity.

Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 09:00:01 PM
I hope not, too on the nose.

Indeed, but on the other hand it fits a bit with some mythological and artistic elements presented in the prequels. Arnold Böcklin's Isle of the Dead is referenced in the Engineers cathedral.


The thing is that there is a whole symbolism behind the original painting, and some folks have interpreted the oarsman as a representation of Charon, the boatman who ferries souls to the underworld through the waters of the river Acheron (which is another name for LV-426) in Greek mythology.

So, from a certain point of view, at the end of Covenant we have David transporting the thousands of colonist to the other life (they are dead anyway). But during such crossing, the captain ended up becoming this guy:


And his entire crew becomes the thounsand of ovomorphs from the original film:


And finally the Norse connection through Das Rheingold-Entrance of the Gods into Valhalla. In Norse mythology there is a legendary liquid substance called Eitr. It is said that the liquid is very poisonous and the origin of all living things. Yes, you heard right.

According to Wiki: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eitr)

Eitr is a mythical substance in Norse mythology. This liquid substance is the origin of all living things: the first giant Ymir was conceived from eitr. The substance is supposed to be very poisonous and is also produced by Jörmungandr (the Midgard serpent) and other serpents.


The parallelism with Black Goo is interesting, and hopefully the source of this accelerant is the Xenomorph or the Xeno-like-beings.

Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 06:46:58 PM
Nor all the good things

I think i could live with that  :D

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Quote from: Bart_D on Sep 16, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
He wakes up and realize it was all just a dream...everything from Prometheus and Covenant. So all the crap from the prequels is not cannon :D

It can work in the form of parody, along the lines of "how prometheus should have ended" :laugh: said that, maybe when the last Engineer tore David's head off, the synthetic was left unconscious and never woke up again. So, all of Shaw's recovering his body to then travel in an alien spaceship to the home world of the Engineers...never happened. He didn't create the Alien we all love, I.e, he was dreaming through some kind of robotic coma for 10 years, and Shaw was eaten by the Deacon.

I would love that ending ;)

Great post- Crazy Shrimp

What if it's poor Walter who ends up as the Jockey? Sacrificing himself someway.

Btw, well thought of Shrimp.

Quote from: necrotard on Sep 10, 2018, 06:17:20 AM
The engineers kill his aliens and load up his eggs into the juggernaut and fly away.  David is killed, but not before he manages toss a black goo container into the juggernaut.  (Or he stows away with some goo.)  The black goo envelops the pilot, causing a horrible creature to burst from its body as well as making his entire suit look aged and fossilized.  The creature runs around killing any other crew on this ship as it crashes to LV-426.

I like the direction you took with that as part of the next film.

(As for the crash landing, more like the pilot not having control, while the ship could have landed with auto pilot.)

;)

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Sep 17, 2018, 04:18:11 PM
What if it's poor Walter who ends up as the Jockey? Sacrificing himself someway.

Btw, well thought of Shrimp.

That's Meer Walter, actually.  ;)

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Sep 17, 2018, 04:18:11 PM
What if it's poor Walter who ends up as the Jockey? Sacrificing himself someway.

His offspring! shall we call it Ultra-waltermorph? ;D

David was traveling to Origae-6 with the 2,000 colonists in stasis, when an astronomical vortex-like-object (or wormhole if you prefer) suddenly materialized in front of the Covenant. The spinning phenomena swallowed the entire ship, and David & his damed crew emerged through the opposite mouth of the vortex. To his surprise he is back on Planet 4, but he is not heading towards that planet, but rather he seems to be crossing through a shield of some sort. On a side note, it's actually a cloaking device which make an entire moon invisible through the use of mirrors. This is the true paradise, where the Engineers creator lives.

I like option 18...

David unleashes Xenomorphs onto the retaliating Engineers. An Ultramorph is born from one of the Engineers and kills David.

David winning, and an explanation why. He simply created what the Engineers and their creation wanted, an efficient machine that could spread its genes.

Only to be gutted that humans got there first with Reggae-Rapper Mr Lover-Man Shabba Ranks.

I do like the idea that the Xeno DNA was part of the AI black goo that fanons the "David created the Alien" thing.  Funny enough, that due Kraft dude postulated the same thing, but I like it.

As I said in another thread - if you like the idea that the Alien isn't an ancient creature that's been there for eons, that's great: there's no real argument against it, but it (like the hand-wave or genius-nihilist-kill-hicks-and-newt-off-camera thing (depending on your point of view) kind of sticks in the craw.

I don't know - it seems to be subverting what has been established but not bettering it. So the subversion makes it less than it was before.

In any event - that's a genius piece of work, Shrimp!

There's a certain irony to David being the creator.
If people didn't complain about Prometheus lacking the xeno, we wouldn't have gotten the xeno already and David wouldn't have been the creator.

Ridley Scott on reintroducing the alien

"So we took a different direction. The Engineers didn't made him. David made him."

https://youtu.be/Qo30bZc10D0?t=3m21s

Engineers create aliens, aliens create humans, humans create androids, androids creates aliens, aliens creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs create humans.... on and on and on.

The bottom line is that the alien existed long before David. David just engineered a bootlegged copy of what ever it was the engineers worshiped. That's how I see this mess. I mean the look on David's face after seeing yet another one of his 'perfect' designs get it's ass handed to it by a hu-man. Even he knows he's a shit god.

btw there is no purpose to having so many options with the number of probable voters here.

I guess there's a fanon get out of jail card as well... the Oram chest-burster is a mini-adult-Alien with legs and arms. The "real" chest burster isn't - we've seen three of them and they're not fully formed but tiny adults as we know.

So - maybe David DID indeed perfect the Alien (and that's why its indestructible and will reconfigure like at T-1000 after it's been crushed in a crane-thing and dropped from a great height) but the actual Xeno is the ancient thing that some of us prefer?

The Oram burster was formed much the same way the Spike burster.

Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 11:46:25 AM
The Oram burster was formed much the same way the Spike burster.

If we're talking about the ox, then it had more room to grow.... lol is that the reason they decided to go with the ox instead of the dog in the assembly cut?

No the reason they went with the dog is 'cos the ox look a bit rubbish.

Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 11:46:25 AM
The Oram burster was formed much the same way the Spike burster.

Oh. Crap :-(

Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 06, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Engineers create aliens, aliens create humans, humans create androids, androids creates aliens, aliens creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs create humans.... on and on and on.

God creates dinosaurs, god destroys dinosaurs, god creates man, man destroys god, man creates dinosaurs, dinousaurs eat man...women inherit the earth.  :laugh:

Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 12:20:17 PM
No the reason they went with the dog is 'cos the ox look a bit rubbish.

Was asking why they went back to the ox. The dog is much better but for some reason they decided to use the ox in the assembly cut. Why recycle rubbish?

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 06, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Engineers create aliens, aliens create humans, humans create androids, androids creates aliens, aliens creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs create humans.... on and on and on.

God creates dinosaurs, god destroys dinosaurs, god creates man, man destroys god, man creates dinosaurs, dinousaurs eat man...women inherit the earth.  :laugh:

Not if the Predalien has anything to barf about it.

They didn't "go back" to the ox.  The final version of the film had the dog.

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 06, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Engineers create aliens, aliens create humans, humans create androids, androids creates aliens, aliens creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs create humans.... on and on and on.

God creates dinosaurs, god destroys dinosaurs, god creates man, man destroys god, man creates dinosaurs, dinousaurs eat man...women inherit the earth.  :laugh:

After creating Alien's blueprint, Engineer creates man...man creates android...android kills Engineer...android brings back Aliens...Aliens eat men, women, and androids...Jonesy inherits Earth and starts a war against dogs using xenos.         

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Quote from: The Cruentus on Oct 06, 2018, 09:40:00 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 06, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Engineers create aliens, aliens create humans, humans create androids, androids creates aliens, aliens creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs create humans.... on and on and on.

God creates dinosaurs, god destroys dinosaurs, god creates man, man destroys god, man creates dinosaurs, dinousaurs eat man...women inherit the earth.  :laugh:

After creating Alien's blueprint, Engineer creates man...man creates android...android kills Engineer...android brings back Aliens...Aliens eat men, women, and androids...Jonesy inherits Earth and starts a war against dogs using xenos.         

That actually would make a pretty damn good idea for a sequel. huh Always figured the Cats would be the real ones in charge.

Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 10:04:14 PM
They didn't "go back" to the ox.  The final version of the film had the dog.

I havn't seen the dog alien in years. Even on cable tv. It's always the ox. I think I had a vhs tape with the dog but that was lost to time... hmm maybe I'll dig out the DVD.

The best version doesn't currently contain a Dog, I will say that, you're not missing anything.

Alien (TE Always),
Aliens (TE or SE is acceptable), Alien³ (SE Always).

He needs the Lambert treatment.

Perhaps harsh no?

Well, he's a sexually frustrated Android who's done some really terrible things, especially to women.

I imagine being done in quickly by his own creation in a such manner would be poetic justice.

Maybe he's trying to create something that truly understands him as well. He seemed rather taken with the neomorph.

Just added the new one to the poll  :)

Oy Vey.

What have I done?

It's got a name now.

Damn, so many great options ! Personally, I picked № 6.

I think Patrick from Perfect Organism has proposed really interesting variant in their Aliens' Queen roundtable episode. If IIRC he said something about David creating the ultimate Mother Queen that becomes god to engineers while David fall into eternal dreaming state .

Quote from: Kradan on Oct 10, 2019, 12:35:27 AM
Damn, so many great options ! Personally, I picked № 6.

Good choice! I dig that one cos in that way the Alien remains ancient  8)

Quote from: Kradan on Oct 10, 2019, 12:35:27 AM
I think Patrick from Perfect Organism has proposed really interesting variant in their Aliens' Queen roundtable episode. If IIRC he said something about David creating the ultimate Mother Queen that becomes god to engineers while David fall into eternal dreaming state .

Added  ;D If you have any in mind, you can share it, so in that way I can add it to the poll if you don't mind   ;)

I always enjoyed 6, but ultimately I want a combination.

Of what ?

I think David knows he's rehashing old territory.

"I've found perfection here, I've created it".

Yeah, he found it alright. Like I found a recipe and made a pizza.

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 09, 2019, 12:00:20 AM
He needs the Lambert treatment.

That will never happen to Ridley's golden boy while he is charge.

So xeno raping David 8 ?

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Does David even have anything to be raped on? Sure an Alien can stick his tail inside him like Bishop but it would never be like with Lambert.

It would be ironic making David a bottom, mentally its the worse punishment for him.

His synthetic aaaam ... artificial person's ass, probably ?

I can't see why an Alien would stab something in the ass.

I imagine he'd just suddenly have this long thing erupt down there like the tail did with bishop. He'd be all smiles and screaming happily, thinking he'd grown a willy.

Only to realize tis not...a willy.

Tis merely...Too late.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 10, 2019, 01:48:39 AM
I can't see why an Alien would stab something in the ass.

So then why it would stab somethingg in Lambert's  ... you know what  ?

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 10, 2019, 01:48:39 AM
I can't see why an Alien would stab something in the ass.

For evil genocidal androids, sometimes the proper ending...is a rear ending.

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 10, 2019, 01:50:32 AM
I imagine he'd just suddenly have this long thing erupt down there like the tail did with bishop. He'd be all smiles and screaming happily, thinking he'd grown a willy.

Only to realize tis not...a willy.

Tis merely...Too late.

:D

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Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 10, 2019, 01:48:39 AM
I can't see why an Alien would stab something in the ass.

So then why it would stab somethingg in Lambert's  ... you know what  ?

There are only theories one can make. In Alien its quite unknown exactly how smart the Alien is, if its conscious or not, how its mind works. It could be trying to reproduce, somehow becoming aware of how humans do it, it was simply curious on whenever it was possible or not to use a human that way.

Or after noticing Lambert was female it got overcomed by a sex drive inherited from its host, acting on instinct... or it knew the act wasn't going to work but choose to see if it could get some pleasure out of it like it would for a human.

The alien was an lone child tearing wings off flies.

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Now David is like... a realistic male blow up doll. I don't think that would work for an Alien.

If the Alien somehow knew how sexuality frustated David was for not being able to be on top, despite being made of plastic, and was really angry at him for some reason, wanting revenge... maybe it could be try to emasculate him in that manner. But doesn't seem like something an Alien would do.

6, 18, 28, & 31.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT0xeJpnrWC4XWblEk/giphy.gif)

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 10, 2019, 02:38:45 AM
6, 18, 28, & 31.

That's probably the best combination you can make of the poll  8)

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Quote from: Kradan on Oct 10, 2019, 01:51:29 AM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 10, 2019, 01:48:39 AM
I can't see why an Alien would stab something in the ass.

So then why it would stab somethingg in Lambert's  ... you know what  ?

There are only theories one can make. In Alien its quite unknown exactly how smart the Alien is, if its conscious or not, how its mind works. It could be trying to reproduce, somehow becoming aware of how humans do it, it was simply curious on whenever it was possible or not to use a human that way.

Or after noticing Lambert was female it got overcomed by a sex drive inherited from its host, acting on instinct... or it knew the act wasn't going to work but choose to see if it could get some pleasure out of it like it would for a human.

The alien was an lone child tearing wings off flies.

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Now David is like... a realistic male blow up doll. I don't think that would work for an Alien.

If the Alien somehow knew how sexuality frustated David was for not being able to be on top, despite being made of plastic, and was really angry at him for some reason, wanting revenge... maybe it could be try to emasculate him in that manner. But doesn't seem like something an Alien would do.

I don't know if you need to be so smart. My dog ​​tries to ride on my leg all the time  :laugh:

However, I've always believed that Big Chap was more like a psychopath from a slasher movie, than like your insectoid beast. It moves like a sadistic murderer when it kills Brett but especially with Lambert. But it's probably just "movie mechanics"  ;D

Edit: I bet Weyland made his robots more human than human, so in that way they can feel orgasms.   

I think 19-20 options have the greatest potential for Alien Universe. maybe AC2 may occur after Alien: Resurrection, thereby creating a new source of xenomorphs and films. ::)


P.S. I'm sure, there should be an option - David becomes Queen.

Absolutely not, that's pure cringe.

Indeed!

(https://i.imgur.com/6k7Xz5G.gif)

Big yeesh. lol

What exactly?

All of it, the entire idea is pure garbage.

No. I don't think so. And "cringe" is the best recommendation.

However, left one more option - David is killed by Deacon. Ironic revenge for the murder of Shaw. David's first experiment will kill him.

While all of this, of course, speculation. David is already dead. Walter took aliens aboard the Covenant and went to Origae-6. So what would be a proper ending for Walter?

No more Deacons please. We have already seen all we need from it  :P

Quote from: Drukathi on Oct 11, 2019, 04:56:02 PM
P.S. I'm sure, there should be an option - David becomes Queen.

I'd go with that one actually !

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Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 12, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
No more Deacons please. We have already seen all we need from it  :P

(https://www.dw.com/image/48396304_303.jpg)

The idea is trash, you're incorrect. It's exactly that sort of thing that means a Prequel story is usually insufferable nonsense.

It's a matter of taste .

Connecting everything in a franchise with such a realistic tone as Alien is just incorrect.

Oh, I see . Honestly, I don't want prequels' story to have anything to do with first movie. Just let it bee its own thing .

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 12, 2019, 02:47:56 PM
The idea is trash, you're incorrect. It's exactly that sort of thing that means a Prequel story is usually insufferable nonsense.

LOL.

I wrote it for laughs (after all, we know that David will become the Space Jockey, anyway). I did not expect you to take it so seriously. You can exhale.

His AI gets loaded into a vibrator with sensors for all 5 senses, but without the sensation of  pleasure. He becomes a caricature of what he wanted, and literally gets that fact shoved in his face. Bonus points. An Arcturian buys him.

Quote from: razeak on Oct 28, 2019, 02:42:33 AM
His AI gets loaded into a vibrator with sensors for all 5 senses, but without the sensation of  pleasure. He becomes a caricature of what he wanted, and literally gets that fact shoved in his face. Bonus points. An Arcturian buys him.

It's got a weird vibe to it (pardon the pun). But I like it.

I mean, aside from all the "hairy/sweaty @$$" he'd eventually find himself dealing with, and whatnot.

You may be surprised what people post in earnest then Drukathi. But we may never get an answer now, nevermind "the best combination of the poll options" as the OP says.

And all because of certain fat and insatiable entertainment company. I hope things change for the better in the future  :-\

Maybe david is Ash?

Quote from: bobcunk on Aug 30, 2020, 03:36:32 AM
Maybe david is Ash?

Ash was the Space Jockey the whole time.

I like the idea that David could have the privilege to transfer its consciousness in all facilities where there are xenomorph. Just like Ash in Out of the Shadows. It would be interesting to know that he never dies throughout the saga, and he sees everything that happens, a kind of Paradise for the robot ^^'

I like to think that no human being of the company knew or commanded the rerouting of the Nostromo & the replacement of the Science Officer but is the work of David, making the people present in Ripley's Hearing in Aliens to be plausibly in the dark and sceptical of her testimony & the build on lv426 of the AP & Hadleys Hope innocent enough too, rather than some shady faceless people

Personally, I'd like the "mysteries" of the original films to remain that way. We don't know for certain why the Nostromo was rerouted, but it's fun to speculate. We don't know the story behind the space jockey and the derelict on LV-426, but it makes for interesting conversation. Another prequel film telling us IT WAS ALL DAVID wouldn't be my cup of tea. Don't get me wrong, I like the character and Fassbender was superb in the role. But I'd rather not have David's shadow loom over the original films. Does the character deserve a conclusion? Yes. But just don't tie it into the events in Alien.

If it weren't for the war in the series, I might see Raised by Wolves as a spiritual prequel (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpiritualSuccessor#:~:text=A%20Spiritual%20Successor%20is%20a,a%20sequel%20%22in%20spirit%22.) to Alien, featuring the synthetic woman Mother, somehow related to MU-TH-UR 6000.

(https://i.ibb.co/d09T3m9/Pics-Art-08-30-09-40-57.jpg)

A silly idea. But it's Sunday 😶   

Edit: I actually live in a Sunday limbo  😶

If there isn't a PURGE screen in Raised by Wolves, we riot.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 31, 2020, 03:10:49 AM
If there isn't a PURGE screen in Raised by Wolves, we riot.

We here in the UK don't even get Raised By Wolves. Hell, we haven't even got Bill & Ted 3, yet. Should we riot?