Posted by bendinglight
- Apr 14, 2020, 04:52:57 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 12, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
Thanks bendlinglight!
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your desires P2fanboy, there is only one cut. Hopkins said it was literally his first working cut that premiered. That's all he had time for!
Production for Predator 2 started February 1990. Director Stephen Hopkins was expecting a Spring 1991 release but Fox moved it up to a November 1990 which gave him an incredibly small amount of time to finish the movie. 10 Months! It's ridiculous, right? Because of that ridiculous small amount of time, Hopkins said pubically that it was his first working cut that premiered and he would have edited differently if he had more time. It was so rushed, optical effects were added 3 times between batches of film prints. So technically, depending where you lived, the optical special effects could have been better, more robust, or less.
That is beyond ridiculous timeline for a feature film to be polished and sent to audiences, in my opinion. I wonder why the shortened timeline? Was there another movie slated to be released at the same time that would have taken away estimated profit from Predator 2?
Would have been nice if they took some of The Predator budget and redirected it to whatever it would take to get a 'full' cut of the film. Fox definitely didn't need all that money for the turd that was ultimately the end product from Shane Black
Posted by Vyrx
- Apr 13, 2020, 08:56:43 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2020, 08:33:48 PMQuote from: Vyrx on Apr 13, 2020, 08:27:33 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2020, 04:34:43 PMQuote from: Vyrx on Apr 13, 2020, 04:22:41 PM
Cut, removed, deleted...Who has the final say on whats, what ? You can have something filmed for fun that was not released in a dvd package but in a few years its but out as cut or deleted from the special feature.
A cut or deleted scene is traditionally a scene that was scripted and intended to be part of the film, but was cut or deleted from the finished product.
Predators dancing with Harrigan is neither.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-19-2015/A1LVgQ.gif
Would it have been unreleased at the time ?
Unreleased in 1990? Yep. I think Hicks was just saying it wasn't a cut scene. A scene is something that continues the narrative. The dancing is just bonus behind-the-scenes fun.
You'll get used to us. You'll find that we all like to be very literal here, sometimes to a fault.
Its no issue with me. Movie terms and what not seem to apply loss and wild sometimes, depending on who is talking about what. Its nice to have a clear term for something
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 13, 2020, 08:33:48 PMQuote from: Vyrx on Apr 13, 2020, 08:27:33 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2020, 04:34:43 PMQuote from: Vyrx on Apr 13, 2020, 04:22:41 PM
Cut, removed, deleted...Who has the final say on whats, what ? You can have something filmed for fun that was not released in a dvd package but in a few years its but out as cut or deleted from the special feature.
A cut or deleted scene is traditionally a scene that was scripted and intended to be part of the film, but was cut or deleted from the finished product.
Predators dancing with Harrigan is neither.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-19-2015/A1LVgQ.gif
Would it have been unreleased at the time ?
Unreleased in 1990? Yep. I think Hicks was just saying it wasn't a cut scene. A scene is something that continues the narrative. The dancing is just bonus behind-the-scenes fun.
You'll get used to us. You'll find that we all like to be very literal here, sometimes to a fault.
Posted by Vyrx
- Apr 13, 2020, 08:27:33 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2020, 04:34:43 PMQuote from: Vyrx on Apr 13, 2020, 04:22:41 PM
Cut, removed, deleted...Who has the final say on whats, what ? You can have something filmed for fun that was not released in a dvd package but in a few years its but out as cut or deleted from the special feature.
A cut or deleted scene is traditionally a scene that was scripted and intended to be part of the film, but was cut or deleted from the finished product.
Predators dancing with Harrigan is neither.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-19-2015/A1LVgQ.gif
Would it have been unreleased at the time ?
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 13, 2020, 07:07:37 PMQuote from: Gilfryd on Apr 13, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
^ Should have played during the credits, would not detract at all.
Naaa, on Meet the Spartans or a Scary Movie maybe, but I wouldn't want that playing during the P2 credits roll.
Posted by Gilfryd
- Apr 13, 2020, 05:47:37 PM^ Should have played during the credits, would not detract at all.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 13, 2020, 04:34:43 PMQuote from: Vyrx on Apr 13, 2020, 04:22:41 PM
Cut, removed, deleted...Who has the final say on whats, what ? You can have something filmed for fun that was not released in a dvd package but in a few years its but out as cut or deleted from the special feature.
A cut or deleted scene is traditionally a scene that was scripted and intended to be part of the film, but was cut or deleted from the finished product.
Predators dancing with Harrigan is neither.
Posted by Vyrx
- Apr 13, 2020, 04:22:41 PMCut, removed, deleted...Who has the final say on whats, what ? You can have something filmed for fun that was not released in a dvd package but in a few years its but out as cut or deleted from the special feature. 
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 13, 2020, 01:41:18 PMI'm working on something different right now, but if Hicks will let me, afterwards I'll write an article of all the scenes in the shooting script that did not make the final cut of the movie. It's actually not too many to be honest. And it's important to remember deleted scenes are usually deleted for a good reason, often because they were perceived to detract from the overall movie.
Also, we'll be releasing the final shooting script this November for Predator 2's 30th Anniversary!
Also, we'll be releasing the final shooting script this November for Predator 2's 30th Anniversary!
Posted by SiL
- Apr 13, 2020, 09:36:55 AMThe extended Hard Core segments were largely just to play on screens throughout the film too.
Posted by Corporal Hicks
- Apr 13, 2020, 08:43:56 AMThe dancing was never actually in a cut of the movie though. It was nothing more than a humorous video filmed on the set. It wasn't a deleted scene.
Posted by Vyrx
- Apr 13, 2020, 07:18:57 AMHave you seen the 10-11 mins of cut scenes of Hard Core and some goofy dance scenes ?
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Apr 12, 2020, 08:03:27 PMThanks bendlinglight!
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your desires P2fanboy, there is only one cut. Hopkins said it was literally his first working cut that premiered. That's all he had time for!
Production for Predator 2 started February 1990. Director Stephen Hopkins was expecting a Spring 1991 release but Fox moved it up to a November 1990 which gave him an incredibly small amount of time to finish the movie. 10 Months! It's ridiculous, right? Because of that ridiculous small amount of time, Hopkins said pubically that it was his first working cut that premiered and he would have edited differently if he had more time. It was so rushed, optical effects were added 3 times between batches of film prints. So technically, depending where you lived, the optical special effects could have been better, more robust, or less.
I think Hopkins caused all this darn confusion when he said in the commentary many years later that Predator 2 was their first NC-17 case and had to go back with cuts over 20 times. I think it's important to differentiate a cut from cuts. Hopkins had to make cuts to gore to avoid an NC-17 rating, but that's done in house during editing. Directors have access to lawyers, producers and ex-MPAA review board members paid by Fox to review target scenes, rating score them based on current MPAA guidelines, plus make recommendation cuts to make a target rating... all during the editing process against a high pressure deadline. Hopkins didn't actually have time to make over 20 versions of the movie, time to make over 20 working cuts and send them each off, one at a time, to a MPAA board for review, each with a musical score in place. There was just no time for that.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it would appear there is no working gore unrated cut, with extra gorey scenes, complete with score in place, on the shelf waiting for release.
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your desires P2fanboy, there is only one cut. Hopkins said it was literally his first working cut that premiered. That's all he had time for!
Production for Predator 2 started February 1990. Director Stephen Hopkins was expecting a Spring 1991 release but Fox moved it up to a November 1990 which gave him an incredibly small amount of time to finish the movie. 10 Months! It's ridiculous, right? Because of that ridiculous small amount of time, Hopkins said pubically that it was his first working cut that premiered and he would have edited differently if he had more time. It was so rushed, optical effects were added 3 times between batches of film prints. So technically, depending where you lived, the optical special effects could have been better, more robust, or less.
I think Hopkins caused all this darn confusion when he said in the commentary many years later that Predator 2 was their first NC-17 case and had to go back with cuts over 20 times. I think it's important to differentiate a cut from cuts. Hopkins had to make cuts to gore to avoid an NC-17 rating, but that's done in house during editing. Directors have access to lawyers, producers and ex-MPAA review board members paid by Fox to review target scenes, rating score them based on current MPAA guidelines, plus make recommendation cuts to make a target rating... all during the editing process against a high pressure deadline. Hopkins didn't actually have time to make over 20 versions of the movie, time to make over 20 working cuts and send them each off, one at a time, to a MPAA board for review, each with a musical score in place. There was just no time for that.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it would appear there is no working gore unrated cut, with extra gorey scenes, complete with score in place, on the shelf waiting for release.
Posted by bendinglight
- Apr 12, 2020, 04:10:46 PMYour go-to for anything Predator 2 would be Voodoo Magic - he is THE master on Predator 2 information.
Posted by Aliens1986fanboy
- Apr 12, 2020, 09:39:14 AMI am dying to see it but I don't even know if 20th Century Fox would still have it or not.
I honestly doubt they'd still have it
I honestly doubt they'd still have it
