So here's how I think Blomkamp's "A L I E N S: Revelations" goes down....

Started by LiquidMonster, Mar 06, 2015, 05:58:36 PM

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So here's how I think Blomkamp's "A L I E N S: Revelations" goes down.... (Read 13,346 times)

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Xenomorphine

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Mar 06, 2015, 05:58:36 PM
They extract DNA from each of them and clone them

Why?

QuoteThese clones are placed back on the Sulaco with eggs so that Weyland can view/record the lifecycle of the Aliens. This explains the events in Alien 3 and Resurrection.

Not unless you also explain why they didn't just take the egg(s) back to a laboratory to observe under controlled conditions.

Also, the Sulaco isn't Weyland-Yutani property. It's a Colonial Marines ship.

QuoteHe shows them security footage of Weyland extracting their DNA and growing clones of them and then replacing them in the Sulaco with Alien eggs on board.

Blomkamp isn't interested in the third and fourth films. He's already said that, in his mind, they don't exist as a aprt of the official continuity (in the same way as some people think similarly of the AVP films). He's not going to do something like that.

QuoteBishop manages to find out that LV 426 was indeed the Alien homeworld all along and that Weyland had purposely set up mining colonies there to study the Alien lifecycle before contact was lost with Hadley's Hope.

Everything you just wrote would make the very existence of Hadley's Hope pointless. :)

Also, makes the Colonial Marine investigation pointless... The Weyland-Yutani mining facilities you propose could have gone and investigated what happened.

QuoteHe goes on to explain that they need to nuke the planet from orbit but Bishop has decoded a faint distress signal from somewhere below LV 426's surface.....that of Hudson's.

No. Just... No.

QuoteHicks gathers a team of marines that "can be trusted" and realizes that they must again go back to LV 426 to investigate Hudson's distress signal(and see if he's even alive before they nuke the planet for good).

If an entire colony couldn't transmit to populated space, a lone Marine isn't going to be able to... And nor is Hicks going to just take serving personnel and hijack Colonial Marine ship without superiors ordering it. That decision would never be up to him.

GQSioux

I still like the between Aliens and Alien 3 idea. There are 10 days between the films to work with. I don't care if Sigourney looks older. There's make-up out there that can de-age her just enough to pull it off, and maybe some CGI airbrushing. If Neill's not "undoing" Alien 3, this is the way to go. I'd rather have that than an alternate timeline or some hypersleep dream bullshit.

SpreadEagleBeagle

A sequel between ALIENS and A3 would indeed work. Since Hicks's face is busted by acid is not that hard to cover up his age. Siggy has the kind of face that ages really well and you could easily "de-age" her with make-up and a little bit of CGI. Nothing in A3 really conflicts that something couldn't have happened. Nothing she says in A3 negates that. It could also clear up where that mystically placed egg came from. The movie would take place on the Sulaco naturally, and maybe some W&Y or mercenary ship, or maybe another towing vessel. They could go any direction with it except full-on action (due to the risk of hull breach)... Maybe that's why. No gun porn and epic exo suit fights, no movie.

Nightmare Asylum

Ugh, please no explanation on the egg... ever. Every idea/explanation I've heard about it has been beyond dumb; they should have just cut it out of the Assembly Cut and implied that a Facehugger had gotten on board.

Any attempt to leave Alien 3 intact and tell an in-between story feels a lot more "fanfictiony" and passionless than a retcon of the later films. It's like playing connect the dots and trying not to run into the other films with your lines, so you're constantly compromising and moving around them and in the end all you have is a distorted image.

SpreadEagleBeagle

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 06, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
Ugh, please no explanation on the egg... ever. Every idea/explanation I've heard about it has been beyond dumb; they should have just cut it out of the Assembly Cut and implied that a Facehugger had gotten on board.

Any attempt to leave Alien 3 intact and tell an in-between story feels a lot more "fanfictiony" and passionless than a retcon of the later films. It's like playing connect the dots and trying not to run into the other films with your lines, so you're constantly compromising and moving around them and in the end all you have is a distorted image.

Or just ditch fanboy hard-on Hicks altogether and do the adult thing and continue where A:R left off. Or even better - tell a new story with neither Hix or Ripley in it. I know it sounds impossible...   

Nightmare Asylum

I would have been all for that, but that's not the direction that they're going in and I'm fine with this choice as well.

Close Encounters

Fox already made a midquel(in book form) between Alien and Aliens. And that book was attacked as contrived and boring since we KNEW that Ripley would live and the excuse they used for Ripley having no memories of the incident is just plain weak.

See http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien:_Out_of_the_Shadows.

No, anything set between Aliens and Alien 3 would be just as weak. Either ignore Alien 3 or ignore Ripley(he normal one)/Hicks/Newt entirely. Those are the only two options before the franchise at this time. And It's clear which direction Blomkamp is leaning. And I for one applaud him for it. Nothing he can do with Ripley, Hicks and Newt can be any worse than what was done in Alien 3.

And if we end up thinking differently, Alien 3/A:R will always be there. As long as Blomkamp doesn't go out of his way to state that Alien 3 NEVER happened, I'm good. I don't want him to spend one second of Alien 5 explaining away Alien 3. I want it given the only acknowledgement it deserves: none at all.

whiterabbit

whiterabbit

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Guys, NB just wants to make the Aliens Sequel that he never got. The Sequel that he thinks we deserve, not the one that we needed. That's it. That's all there ever was. He isn't stupid enough to try and fit this movie into the current timeline because no one can explain away all of that bullshit that was manufactured. As Janek would say, they created it with Alien3, it got out of control in A|R, the general audience turned on them. The End.

SpreadEagleBeagle

Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
Guys, NB just wants to make the Aliens Sequel that he never got. The Sequel that he thinks we deserve, not the one that we needed. That's it. That's all there ever was. He isn't stupid enough to try and fit this movie into the current timeline because no one can explain away all of that bullshit that was manufactured. As Janek would say, they created it with Alien3, it got out of control in A|R, the general audience turned on them. The End.

...like I said, a blatant ALIENS fanboy story.

Xenorgue

The saga Alien destroys from the inside... By "fans". It is so sad. Never I shall have thought of that.

I always hope that alien 5 will stop where alien 3 begins. I shall well see the WY putting down an egg.

I love Alien 3 and the Resurrection and they will remain for me the real suite of Aiens.

Xenomorphine

Nothing wrong with being a fan. Cameron and Fincher were both 'Alien' fan-boys - just like Blomkamp is. Likewise, Scott loves 'Aliens', too (think Fincher also does) - you could call him an 'Aliens' fan-boy, by the very same token.

All of that's irrelevant. Whether the end result is watchable and entertaining is what matters.

Son Of Kane

Fincher was more so a fan of "Alien".

whiterabbit

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:37:04 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
Guys, NB just wants to make the Aliens Sequel that he never got. The Sequel that he thinks we deserve, not the one that we needed. That's it. That's all there ever was. He isn't stupid enough to try and fit this movie into the current timeline because no one can explain away all of that bullshit that was manufactured. As Janek would say, they created it with Alien3, it got out of control in A|R, the general audience turned on them. The End.

...like I said, a blatant ALIENS fanboy story.
Look, Neil is 35 years old, that is the epiphany of Alien fan boy age demographic. If he was 25, he very well could have been an alien3 fanboy instead and we'd be getting the movie you think we deserve.  ;)

It's just the age the director lives in is very important to what he holds dear and this guy lives right smack dab in my age group. :P

Xenomorphine

He's on the record as saying they're both his favourite films, period. The most recent one even has him saying that, after seeing it in a cinema, 'Alien' might just have pulled ahead in his list. But that 'Aliens' has typically been his favourite film of all time.

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