Though it hasn't been announced yet, I did find a preliminary cover on Dave Palumbo's website, so I figured I'd get the thread rolling!
It's the third image. You can also see some cool unused Life and Death prelims.
http://www.dvpalumbo.com/tablet/prelims.html (http://www.dvpalumbo.com/tablet/prelims.html)
Via Brian Thies' Instagram. Beware of spoilers:
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https://instagram.com/p/BKB377KjlFE/ (https://instagram.com/p/BKB377KjlFE/)
Nice to see Ahab makes it out of Prometheus: L&D!
He also posted it on his Tumblr.
Looks like Ahab is either going to join up with this new Predator clan or probably fight against them. Hard to say.
Would be a shame to kill off the Ahab character
That panel looks great!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 07, 2016, 04:53:57 PM
He also posted it on his Tumblr.
Looks like Ahab is either going to join up with this new Predator clan or probably fight against them. Hard to say.
I have a feeling that
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Ahab will wind up fighting against the other Predators. The ones from Tartarus are probably going to be hellbent on killing the human characters for stealing the Juggernaut, and I think Ahab will side with Galgo and company against them.
The official solicitation for #1, out
December 28:
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QuoteAlien vs. Predator: Life and Death #1 (of 4)
Dan Abnett (W), Brian Thies (A), Rain Beredo (C), David Palumbo (Cover), Sachin Teng (Variant cover), and Carlos D'Anda (30th Anniversary variant)
On sale Dec 28
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
The Predators arrive on LV-223! The question is: are they here to finish the fight with the Colonial Marines, or will they join the marines in the battle against the Aliens? And who will Ahab—the Predator from the Fire and Stone story cycle—side with?
Looks like we were right about Thies coming back for art duties. I really hope Agustin Alession comes back for the Omega issue. What side do you all want Ahab to come down on? Fingers crossed that we get a more traditional AvP comic this time around.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 15, 2016, 10:59:43 PM
The official solicitation for #1, out December 28:
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Alien vs. Predator: Life and Death #1 (of 4)
Nice cover for an AVP issue. Love those deacon looking heads on the Aliens.
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2016, 12:08:21 AM
Nice cover for an AVP issue. Love those deacon looking heads on the Aliens.
I was hoping I wasn't seeing things! Not sure if I want that cover or the 30th anniversary one.
Picked up the 30th anniversary variant on TFAW, it was just too cool to pass up!
I can't stand the variant covers. Only one I've liked so far has been Dorman's for Prometheus! Loving Palumbo's cover though!
As for Ahab -
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I've no idea. I didn't get to see any of the tension between him and the marines I was hoping for so it feels a little empty at the minute.
Yeah that's a good point
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the Palumbo cover shows Ahab fighting alongside Freebody, so it's pretty much alread given away.
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The marines should get pissy about a Predator who wasn't even on Tartarus? When they're in a life and death (*ahem*) situation and the Predator is helping them?
A little tension and some minor mistrust would have been nice. Nothing to jeopardise their safety. They don't know him.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/14295371_1748020322119250_222627898_n.jpg)
They almost lit a fire and started singing songs together. The part where it appeared in front of them to warn them of an Engineer approaching was well done.
Thies shared another piece of art over on Tumblr:
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Notice that Ahab has three wrist blades, which calls back to the original cover of AvP: Fire and Stone.
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Those three wristblades also remind me of the ones that the rogue Predator had in Bad-Blood.
Previews World has a short, one-page preview of AVP: Life and Death and a little write-up. Beware of spoilers:
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/184400-Truce-or-Treachery-In-Alien-Vs-Predator (https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/184400-Truce-or-Treachery-In-Alien-Vs-Predator)
Then also have another page on their Gems of the Month for October 2016. It's nice to have Thies back!
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/184048 (https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/184048)
Yeah, I'm digging that. Really liked Thies' work on Predator.
Thies is tolerable
Mooneyham is excellent
Hey,
Been awhile since I've posted. Been wanting to get back into the comic book side of the all the characters. I was curious if these Life After Death books are any good?
I've enjoyed the Predator series but not been blown away by the others so far.
What a bummer. I was hoping this material would rival the old school Dark Horse stories from the 90's.
the fire and stone story was pretty shit. more black goo monsters shenanigans than any A/P action. all i remember is the synthetic doing a villain monologue that lasted forever.
I hope they can actually give a good ALIEN vs PREDATOR fight this time instead of cramming prometheus crossover stuff every second.
Quote from: King geedorah on Dec 10, 2016, 04:02:14 AM
the fire and stone story was pretty shit. more black goo monsters shenanigans than any A/P action. all i remember is the synthetic doing a villain monologue that lasted forever.
I hope they can actually give a good ALIEN vs PREDATOR fight this time instead of cramming prometheus crossover stuff every second.
Thanks for telling me that about Fire and Stone because I was getting ready to get it. I know we're supposed to make up our own minds, but I can't afford to throw away money on crap. I hate to hear that the Prometheus material doesn't seem to work well in these stories. I thought that would've been a given to create some great work by the writers.
Guess I'll stick my old stuff.
I thought Fire & Stone worked fine. AvP was probably the weakest arc, but still had some good stuff.
Avoiding it based on one negative (and slightly erroneous) review seems a little extreme.
I found Fire and Stone is a bit underwhelming too. The Predator series is great though (one of my favourites!) and Prometheus looks great but over-all I felt underwhelmed by it, same sort of dissatisfaction I got from Prometheus.
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Quote from: King geedorah on Dec 10, 2016, 04:02:14 AM
the fire and stone story was pretty shit. more black goo monsters shenanigans than any A/P action. all i remember is the synthetic doing a villain monologue that lasted forever.
I hope they can actually give a good ALIEN vs PREDATOR fight this time instead of cramming prometheus crossover stuff every second.
Thanks for telling me that about Fire and Stone because I was getting ready to get it. I know we're supposed to make up our own minds, but I can't afford to throw away money on crap. I hate hear that the Prometheus material doesn't seem to work well in these stories. I thought that would've been a given to some great work by the writers.
Guess I'll stick my old stuff.
the avp story sucks but F&S as a whole is worth checking out.
The prometheus one is pretty good, fantastic art too, but the predator story is by far the best. Ahab and his white whale were a great way of telling a engineer vs predator story IMO.
The problem is they dipped way to deep into the prometheus stuff and when you're working on comics tied into movies you cant really do anything worthwhile or add too much to the lore. They basically had to work with the scraps covenant would allow them to. I wish they would have tried to focus on making four great stories rather than a huge crossover event thing.
Some of it was disappointing, but some of it is pretty great.
Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2016, 08:11:16 AM
I thought Fire & Stone worked fine. AvP was probably the weakest arc, but still had some good stuff.
Avoiding it based on one negative (and slightly erroneous) review seems a little extreme.
Yeah, probably. But that's how broke I am. :D
Broke is more understandable.
Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2016, 10:19:40 PM
Broke is more understandable.
I actually found the
Prometheus: Fire and Stone collected edition for forty-eight cents on Amazon. So I was able to afford that. It said it was in "very good" condition, but we'll see how true that is when I get it.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/28-913/Alien-vs-Predator-Life-and-Death-1
Hope this is good...Dec. 28 is coming along soon
Glowing review is up: http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-life-and-death-1-review/
Just read #1 on Comixology, and I'm starting to get excited for Life and Death again!
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It's great to have Thiess back on art. He gives the xenos and the Predators moments to shine, and he's not overtly sexualizing any of the characters. That last page was pretty killer, and so were the xeno designs.
I was really surprised to see Lorimer get killed off so early. He never got to have his Burke moment, so points to Abnett for subverting what I was expecting. It was also nice to have Ahab back in the spotlight, and actual Alien vs Predator action in an AVP book.
I'm really hoping this series and Omega can pull Life and Death out of the spiral it sort of went into in the last few issues. Things are looking more promising now.
Read issue 1, much better than the last arc but I fear it's to little to late but we'll see.
As an alien fan I'm getting no joy out of this event at all, nothing about the depiction of the aliens has been gratifying. Its probably the worst depiction of the creatures I've ever seen and I don't really care that its the black goo's fault for making them goofy looking. As a Predator fan there has been some good stuff in the first arc and now in this issue the predator stuff is pretty great.
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I found it somewhat strange that the predators killed Lorimer and Goode when they were unarmed and not really a potential threat, they even took their skulls as trophies. Not a big deal but a little out of the established behavior
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Read issue 1, much better than the last arc but I fear it's to little to late but we'll see.
As an alien fan I'm getting no joy out of this event at all, nothing about the depiction of the aliens has been gratifying. Its probably the worst depiction of the creatures I've ever seen and I don't really care that its the black goo's fault for making them goofy looking. As a Predator fan there has been some good stuff in the first arc and now in this issue the predator stuff is pretty great.
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I found it somewhat strange that the predators killed Lorimer and Goode when they were unarmed and not really a potential threat, they even took their skulls as trophies. Not a big deal but a little out of the established behavior
The Predator's behaviour varies a lot.
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In South China Sea (praised by many fans to be the best novel in the Predator franchise), the Predator fought a human armed with a knife while he was completely cloaked. He didn't disengage his cloak at all.
He also took the trophy of a man who committed suicide right in front of him.
Even in the Fire and Stone series, a man challenged a cloaked Ahab, only to be blasted by his plasma caster.
I think they only go "fair" when they fight the prey 'they' had their eyes on. It may be possible that he just offed Billy while cloaked and had a warrior hard-on for Arnold only.
So, Goode and Lorimer where just obstacles that the aliens kicked out of the way. Think of it as culling their prey until they had the ones they want, that's perhaps when they play by the classic "rules" we're familiar with.
Interesting about SCS, I've not read it because of its
availability sadly.
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And I'm okay with the preds killing them but it did make me pause for a moment. have predators ever killed a completely unarmed person before? I'm trying to think but can't find any examples
Predators are also individuals
Some are more rule-bound than otherd
In SCS, I think the Predator knew the "man" could see him (the man had been infected/enhanced by an alien pathogen)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 13, 2017, 11:34:21 PM
Interesting about SCS, I've not read it because of its
availability sadly.
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And I'm okay with the preds killing them but it did make me pause for a moment. have predators ever killed a completely unarmed person before? I'm trying to think but can't find any examples
Those moments in SCS actually made me pause too.
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Like, I never saw a Predator take a suicide victim's skull. I know he was going for the guy because he was the leader of an army who put up a great fight for him. Maybe that's why he took it, he did spare the life of some cowardly teen who refused to pick up a gun that the Predator tried to place in his hand. XD Also in SCS, the masks record their hunts because there's a scene where he chills in his space ship and watches others hunting. You get brief glimpses on very alien worlds and prey and some even sapient and technological.
And yes, we've seen Predators kill unarmed things before. In fact, in one of the comics set in WW1, I think a Predator killed an unarmed and cowardly general who was pushed out of the trenches by his angry soldiers for demanding they go and die fighting.
Also, like happypred said, they're individuals so some may even cheat. I remember a short story where a Predator stole another's trophy and got busted doing so eventually.
It didn't turn out for him, he was left on the world naked and unarmed as a swarm of Aliens approached. :laugh:
Regarding the infected guy, I don't think the Predator may have known at first but probably figured it out because the guy put up a good fight.
Also wasn't there a woman that was charging at him with a machete and he just blasted her arm off with a plasma shot? I don't recall her firing.
Plus that assassin who sliced his Achilles Heel, intending to drop him down but realised that the alien anatomy was totally different from us. He was rewarded for this amazing discovery with a spear through the back and left to rot, not trophy was taken.
So, like you said, it depends on the individual. Some other Predator would've thought the sneaky little human was a badass for slicing his heel with a knife and instantly ripped his skull and spine out right there.
I so need to read South China Sea.
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Don't see much of an issue with the Predator killing Lorimer and Goode. They were on a military ship, looking for weapons. It's hardly a stretch.
Dark Horse has a preview up of #2. Beware of spoilers.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-810/Alien-vs-Predator-Life-and-Death-2 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-810/Alien-vs-Predator-Life-and-Death-2)
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I'm really hoping this series saves Life and Death. The first issue was pretty solid, and I'm down for more Ahab.
Looks interesting
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I'm actually really looking forward to this issue. I'm really happy to see Thies back for the art.
i do like the art thies did on predator life and death
Though a shame for fans that this new comic line is no tied in continuity with the previous Dark Horses Aliens vs Predator comic of the 90's and so forth, its fascinating how they'd throw an acknowledgment to the concurring movies, we may see references to Alien Covenant in a future comic line after the movie has come out, though chances are slim once The Predator has been released in 2018 there maybe a comic issue referencing the events of that movie.
I've no doubt Dark Horse will do some stuff tied into The Predator.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 19, 2017, 09:15:45 AM
I'm actually really looking forward to this issue. I'm really happy to see Thies back for the art.
We'll finally get to see a Predators with a massive sword and a morningstar
New issue was pretty sweet, I enjoyed it mostly.
Some panels look really great but Ahab's face goes from okay to mushy blur quite a bit.
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The duel was pretty cool but the art is a little sloppy. The aliens showing up at the end was okay but they still look goofy. There was quite an army of them.
Really enjoyed #2. Ahab is so awesome. Loved how they made him look shorter than the other Preds. Don't remember him being portrayed like that in Fire and Stone but I liked it, worked as him being a bit of an underdog.
I do agree with Buddy in regards to the
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fight scene. Would have liked the fight to have been a little clearer but I'm still digging on Thies artwork. And that end! Everyone is totally screwed.
Thies is much better than the Prometheus guy...but still far inferior to Mooneyham
Issue #2 came in today, and even though I haven't read it, I have looked through it, and it looks pretty cool.
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I agree with Hicks, making Ahab shorter than the other Preds is simple but effective at making him the underdog. They can also get away with it because we've never actually seen him in shot with other Prefs before.
I also really like designs of the xenos. Thies does a better job than Moritat at making the black goo aliens look bizarre, but not cartoony. That last page is also such a cool image. The wave of aliens coming toward the pyramid has me excited for the next issue.
Dark Horse has put up a preview of #3. Beware of spoilers.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-811/Alien-vs-Predator-Life-and-Death-3#prettyPhoto (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-811/Alien-vs-Predator-Life-and-Death-3#prettyPhoto)
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Looks like its going to be a big battle, I hope Ahab lives.
Well life and death is almost over, just a few more issues to go.
Picked up issue three, despite a couple of cool panels the art is just insanely messy. Still not enjoying the aliens at all. The story is more of the same, lots of action and little else. Despite the problems this issue conveys a nice build up of urgency and suspense as our characters struggle to survive.
Anyone else still following this series?
I am.
I'm thinking the
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Predators may all end up dying as something about the preview of issue 4 in AvP Life and Death seems to hint in that direction.
"On LV-223, it's the last stand for the Colonial Marines—and their Predator allies—against an overwhelming army of Alien warriors determined to protect their new queen. Only one thing can stop them . . . and it's the last thing anybody wants!"
And notice how the Prometheus Life and Death one shot mentions nothing about Predators? Only "surviving Colonial Marines."
Here's the synopsis:
"The surviving Colonial Marines on the planet LV-223 face a final battle with an injured and enraged Engineer—and, somewhere out in space, three trapped humans seek to change the course of the Engineer's ship . . . and possibly the history of humanity!"
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Feb 26, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
I am.
I'm thinking the Spoiler
Predators may all end up dying as something about the preview of issue 4 in AvP Life and Death seems to hint in that direction.
"On LV-223, it's the last stand for the Colonial Marines—and their Predator allies—against an overwhelming army of Alien warriors determined to protect their new queen. Only one thing can stop them . . . and it's the last thing anybody wants!"
And notice how the Prometheus Life and Death one shot mentions nothing about Predators? Only "surviving Colonial Marines."
Here's the synopsis:
"The surviving Colonial Marines on the planet LV-223 face a final battle with an injured and enraged Engineer—and, somewhere out in space, three trapped humans seek to change the course of the Engineer's ship . . . and possibly the history of humanity!"
I agree
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I wonder if Ahab lives though. I also wonder if the queen will be born or if she blows them all up.
The release schedule has hurt this run. Dragging it out over a year was a mistake. On another note
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I think Ahab will live.
Yeah, the xenomorphs look absolutely horrific...in a bad way
Ridley Scott is going to destroy the A/P expanded universe anyway.
These new ones are supposedly written to work with the new prequels. The first series, Fire and Stone, was changed quite a bit so it didn't conflict with Covenant.
I think the history of the Alien species in Covenant may well end up causing a few continuity headaches, judging from what we know.
The comics seem like they'll be fine for the minute. It's the novels that may take a beating.
Yeah, there are a few references in them to Aliens being an ancient species :(
And I think it is hinted at in the comics that the Predators know the Aliens of old.
Quote from: EJA on Mar 03, 2017, 11:38:56 AM
Yeah, there are a few references in them to Aliens being an ancient species :(
And I think it is hinted at in the comics that the Predators know the Aliens of old.
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As far as Ive heard, it will be left ambiguous as to whether David creates or just re-creates the alien. So it still leaves room for the alien to be ancient.
In any case I enjoy the comics for what they are, for me they don't need to line up with the films. Trying to make these stories always fit with the films is what led to the billie/Wilks fiasco from the earth war series.
Even if
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it turns out that David or someone makes the Alien.
It still won't destroy the concept of them being ancient. The galaxy is huge, and Aliens could've been around for eons.
Engineers, Predators and Aliens are ancient.
David just uses the Engineer's methods to create his own Xenomorph.
Just because people nowadays have children, doesn't mean humans are a "recent" creation. We just use our genetic blueprints to make more of ourselves and we're 200,000 years old as a species.
So I can't see any way they will cause a continuity headache with that.
Heck, David could literally say "I've created a totally new life" *shows Xenomorph*, how does he know it's the first or the only one?
Even Ridley himself could come forth and say David made the Xenomorph, it still wouldn't invalidate it in-universe for me as they could once again be very ancient and David just made his own in the same way you can easily make a chocolate cake by following a recipe left behind by the Engineers.
AVP L & D issue 4 preview is up at Dark Horse.
Smaller than usual
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-812/Alien-vs-Predator-Life-and-Death-4#prettyPhoto
Thumbed through the last issue on digital.
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Surpirsed and a bit sad to see Ahab leave, but I guess it's to be expected. It's definitely surprising that both the Predator and the Alien side of things got totally wrapped up. Looks like the Omega issue is going to be straight-up Prometheus. I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully we actually get to see the murals on the Juggernaut that got mentioned way back in the first Prometheus: L&D issue.
Also
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although I don't think the art did it total justice throughout the series, I still like that we got a diseased and broken alien hive. Seeing them basically just give up after the death of the last queen was definitely something new for the franchise.
So I went through and properly read the last three issues of this mini.
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I have to say it wrapped up a bit too quickly and cleanly. The Predators' decision to just leave made less sense once I remembered that they seemed to want what was in the Engineer pyramid back in issue #2. I was really expecting them to go after the Juggernaut or raid the pyramid. It does still remain possible that they'll track the Juggernaut down in the Omega issue, so we'll see, I guess.
I liked Chris's last scene. Her speech was pretty well done, and sums up fairly well the theme of this whole run.
The art was a bit mixed. I'm fine with the mutated xenos, but the more I read the more it seems like Thies might be uncomfortable drawing the Predators, which is odd because I don't remember that being a problem back in the Predator mini. He frequently draws them from behind, and all of them except Ahab leave their masks on the whole time. I'm looking forward to what he does with the finale, especially the interior of the Juggernaut.
Overall, I think Life and Death will be remembered as a safer story than Fire and Stone, but it will probably read well in trade.
Fingers crossed that there's a twist ending in the last issue. It would be something if Foster and company wound up on Paradise and eaten by Neomorphs! :laugh:
I definitly agree with your thoughts ultramorph. I like this issue alot but it didnt save the series for me.
Thies has some real sloppy art, i hope he gets it under control lil bit for the finale.
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I also thought that it wrapped up too easily, but i think Ahab helped a lot with that.
I see this is now available as a collected edition, but it seems like a trade paperback. Anyone know if its available as hardcover like the awesome Fire&Stone hardcover?
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 03, 2018, 05:02:54 PM
I see this is now available as a collected edition, but it seems like a trade paperback. Anyone know if its available as hardcover like the awesome Fire&Stone hardcover?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506706789/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It will be in September.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 03, 2018, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 03, 2018, 05:02:54 PM
I see this is now available as a collected edition, but it seems like a trade paperback. Anyone know if its available as hardcover like the awesome Fire&Stone hardcover?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506706789/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It will be in September.
Thanks, will definitely get that and hope its the same size and quality as the first.
Finally got around to reading all of Life and Death, and... I dunno.
On the one hand, having it all written by one author helped keep things pretty cohesive. On the other hand, one of the things I liked from Fire and Stone was that it spanned multiple eras and each arc truly felt like it focused more on its titular creatures as opposed to just being a group of issues in an otherwise 17-part series. It reminded me of the Star Wars: Vector comic series from years back, which had arcs that spanned multiple time periods but had some narrative bits that linked them all together.
I really liked the interplay between Galgo and Ahab, that shit was awesome. :D
The whole "rescue Chris" subplot got real dumb real fast, especially when she ended up killing herself and rendering the Marine deaths during the rescue meaningless. It didn't help that most of her scenes (and especially her death) felt really, really drawn out and padded for length, as if Dan Abnett needed to fill a page quota and couldn't think of a worthwhile way to do so. Also the grenade she detonated was stupid-powerful; it left a literal crater that looked like something a Predator wrist-nuke would do. That had me saying "lolwut".
Still waiting for the Omnibus, looks like it got pushed back for like 5 days to October.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2018, 11:17:08 AM
Also the grenade she detonated was stupid-powerful; it left a literal crater that looked like something a Predator wrist-nuke would do. That had me saying "lolwut".
Well considering they have FTL capabilities and based on the current rate technology is advancing, an explosive device made 200 years in the future could plausibly be that powerful. As for saving Chris it was "volunteers only" and I loved the irony that those who didn't volunteer were slaughtered by the Preds.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 10, 2018, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2018, 11:17:08 AM
Also the grenade she detonated was stupid-powerful; it left a literal crater that looked like something a Predator wrist-nuke would do. That had me saying "lolwut".
Well considering they have FTL capabilities and based on the current rate technology is advancing, an explosive device made 200 years in the future could plausibly be that powerful. As for saving Chris it was "volunteers only" and I loved the irony that those who didn't volunteer were slaughtered by the Preds.
Yeah but it was just a pulse rifle grenade -they used one earlier in the story against a Predator and blew half its face off.
I also didn't like the super-inconsistent way the Aliens were drawn - in the Aliens arc, they had these weird tentacles at the backs of their heads and almost kinda eye-looking things, and I said "hey that's neat, maybe that's the black goo messing with them somehow'l
And then in the AvP arc, nope, they're just normal Aliens.
How 'bout the ending of Final Conflict, though? :laugh:
I agree that the art rally let the xenos down in this series. I liked the almost Kenner look in the Aliens mini.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 10, 2018, 03:20:45 PM
How 'bout the ending of Final Conflict, though? :laugh:
I agree that the art rally let the xenos down in this series. I liked the almost Kenner look in the Aliens mini.
Speaking of, I loved the cameos by the Kenner Predators, although killing them off was a mistake. They could have mined their backstory "lore" from the NECA figure packaging for future stories and made them interesting recurring characters, and now they're dead. :(
Also that (potentially) time travel ending..... uhh...
All in all there's some things it did better than Fire and Stone (cohesive overarching characters, overall characterization) and other things it did worse (lack of diversity between titles, padded-out story elements). I'm not sure which series I like better.
I'm also not sure I want to buy the "complete" L&D since I have the four trade paperbacks.
It would be cool if they brought in some of the crazier Kenner Preds at some point, like Lazershot.
I like to think they traveled just far enough back in time to get black gooed by David when he got to Planet 4. :laugh:
My local shop messaged me earlier. The big hardback is in stock now.
Nice! Let us know what BTS goodies they've included.
Not much behind-the-scenes goodness I'm afraid. Just the character designs Brian shared on IG.
That's disappointing. Let me know if you're doing a podcast on it at some point, though!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 07:49:00 PM
Not much behind-the-scenes goodness I'm afraid. Just the character designs Brian shared on IG.
Welp I'll go ahead and cancel my preorder, the individual trades are good enough for me.
Got the trade today. It's definitely a handsome collection, but the relative lack of backmatter is disappointing. I guess we just got spoiled by how great the Fire and Stone collection was.
Looking forward to revisiting the series this weekend.
Has anyone been able to get hold of the hardback at any UK outlets at all? It seems widely available in the U.S. but I'm struggling here. I have it on Amazon but it's been delayed till November.
Yeah, I got my local comic store to order me a copy as soon as it was announced.
Anyone know if this hardcover is the same size as the Fire And Stone hardcover?
It is.
Same size, although not as "thick" as Fire and Stone, so there are fewer pages and not much "behind the scenes" material.
Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 02, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
Same size, although not as "thick" as Fire and Stone, so there are fewer pages and not much "behind the scenes" material.
Quote from: shazam on Nov 02, 2018, 09:02:52 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 02, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
Same size, although not as "thick" as Fire and Stone, so there are fewer pages and not much "behind the scenes" material.
I think Fire and Stone had one extra issue (Field Report) and loads more behind the scenes material.
Anyone want the trades for this? Just ask for postage to be covered.