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While Aliens and Predators clashed in the recent Fire and Stone, and Life and Death crossovers, it’s been sometime since we had an AvP series that wasn’t attached to an event. Now, following the cancellation of Aliens: Colonial Marines – Rising Threat, Dark Horse Comics has announced a new Alien vs. Predator series!

Alien vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood kicks off when Predators board a luxury charter spaceship, unleashing a path of terror and bloodshed. An adolescent girl and her younger "brother" are the last to survive, and begin a cat-and-mouse chase with the attackers. They hope for an escape, but they haven't counted on the Alien . . .

Alien vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood is penned by long time Dark Horse collaborator and former editor Jeremy Barlow. Barlow is joined by Alien and Predator veteran Doug Wheatley. Wheatley is best known to Alien fans for his interior artwork on Aliens: Apocalypse – The Destroying Angels, and recently cover artwork for Predator: Life and Death and Predator: Hunters.

Cover artwork is going to be provided by Chun Lo, and Michael Heisler will be working on the lettering. Alien vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood will be a four issue run, with the first issue scheduled for release on the 11th of December.

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Well hot diggity!  I'm in!

Plus it's CANON!  ;D

Am I right in saying this will be the first stand-alone, non-crossover-event AVP comic since Three World War?

In fact, thinking about it, it's arguably the first since Civilized Beasts, as 3WW was a sequel to More Than Human and Prey to the Heavens.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 18, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
Plus it's CANON!  ;D

AVP IS ALIVE AND CANON!  :laugh:

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 18, 2019, 09:21:04 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 18, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
Plus it's CANON!  ;D

AVP IS ALIVE AND CANON!  :laugh:

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Alien vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood kicks off when Predators board a luxury charter spaceship, unleashing a path of terror and bloodshed.

This makes it sound like Predators on vacation going crazy after one too many margaritas. :laugh:

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 18, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
Plus it's CANON! ;D

Not digging the cover art but im beyond pumped to have doug wheatley doing the interiors. Thats some excellent news.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 18, 2019, 09:44:19 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Alien vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood kicks off when Predators board a luxury charter spaceship, unleashing a path of terror and bloodshed.

This makes it sound like Predators on vacation going crazy after one too many margaritas. :laugh:

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 18, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
Plus it's CANON! ;D

https://media.giphy.com/media/b4pPnoO1QDd1C/giphy.gif

Wrong Answer!

~ BZZZZZZZZZ ~



;D

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 18, 2019, 09:44:19 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Alien vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood kicks off when Predators board a luxury charter spaceship, unleashing a path of terror and bloodshed.

This makes it sound like Predators on vacation going crazy after one too many margaritas. :laugh:

All of this has happened before...

...and it will happen again! :o

I see where this is going...

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 18, 2019, 09:17:40 PM
Am I right in saying this will be the first stand-alone, non-crossover-event AVP comic since Three World War?

In fact, thinking about it, it's arguably the first since Civilized Beasts, as 3WW was a sequel to More Than Human and Prey to the Heavens.

You are right.

*Added quote for context following split and merge. Hicks.

The idea sounds interesting. Party boat with wild and footloose Predators chasing folks. It's AvP, it will inevitably end up on my book shelf regardless, can't be helped  ;D

That cover reminds me of a t-shirt that was E.T holding his red finger out and he had three red dots in a triangle on his forhead. It was amazing.
I do not think predator would hunt E.T out collecting plants and mushrooms and trees but what a cool shirt

Excellent news. So excited to have Doug back.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 18, 2019, 09:17:40 PM
Am I right in saying this will be the first stand-alone, non-crossover-event AVP comic since Three World War?

In fact, thinking about it, it's arguably the first since Civilized Beasts, as 3WW was a sequel to More Than Human and Prey to the Heavens.

Discounting Civilized Beasts since it's a little digest thing and not a series, I think it's actually the first stand-alone series since Eternal in 98.

Great news! I was hoping for an official announcement ever since Randy Stradley teased it a few months back on Twitter.

Great news. A simple, good premise, I hope this plays out well. And I'm thrilled about the artist! This might be the first good-looking AVP comic in a while.

Quote from: Wysps on Sep 19, 2019, 01:53:39 AM
The idea sounds interesting. Party boat with wild and footloose Predators chasing folks. It's AvP, it will inevitably end up on my book shelf regardless, can't be helped  ;D

Yeah-yeah. Like a Dothraki bachelor party.

It is not canon, and never will be.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 18, 2019, 09:44:19 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Alien vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood kicks off when Predators board a luxury charter spaceship, unleashing a path of terror and bloodshed.

This makes it sound like Predators on vacation going crazy after one too many margaritas. :laugh:

I thought the Predators could be hijacking the ship to use the humans as hosts for aliens. That would be their idea of a fun vacantion.

Haha, ol' Ridley will hate this.

"Predators board a luxury charter spaceship."

Sequel to Deadliest of the Species confirmed.

Quote from: EJA on Sep 19, 2019, 03:50:02 PM
Haha, ol' Ridley will hate this.

Spoiler

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To clarify: Engineer - Ridley, David - concept of AVP

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 19, 2019, 08:34:54 AM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 18, 2019, 09:17:40 PM
Am I right in saying this will be the first stand-alone, non-crossover-event AVP comic since Three World War?

In fact, thinking about it, it's arguably the first since Civilized Beasts, as 3WW was a sequel to More Than Human and Prey to the Heavens.

Discounting Civilized Beasts since it's a little digest thing and not a series, I think it's actually the first stand-alone series since Eternal in 98.

There was also Sand Trap in 2007, but yeah, likewise that was a DVD-exclusive one-shot and not a series.

Excited about this for sure, not just because "yay, more AVP!", but also because it's coming not long after it sounded like Disney had possibly taken the AVP licence out behind the chemical sheds to be shot! So glad to see it's apparently managed to kick its guards in the shins and do a runner to a brand new stand-alone series! ;D

The use of a logo and substantive canonicity are two separate things, yes?

Here's hoping no connection to the atrocious "reboot" of AVP.

Quote from: happypred on Sep 20, 2019, 02:42:12 AM
The use of a logo and substantive canonicity are two separate things, yes?

Yes the logo is in relation to just a license. Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Batman V Superman all have different logos and licensing for example, but it doesn't mean they're all in separate canon singularity.

Quote from: happypred on Sep 20, 2019, 02:42:12 AM
The use of a logo and substantive canonicity are two separate things, yes?

"substantive canonicity" to what?

They've used the film AvP logo for comics since the film came out.

If the interior art is by the guy who did d
Destroying Angels, this should be good visually

Quote from: happypred on Sep 20, 2019, 03:55:06 PM
If the interior art is by the guy who did d
Destroying Angels, this should be good visually

Definitely!  Doug Wheatley has done some great Star Wars stuff too!

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 18, 2019, 09:21:04 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 18, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
Plus it's CANON!  ;D

AVP IS ALIVE AND CANON!  :laugh:

Both L&D and F&S had AvP parts. :P

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Quote from: EJA on Sep 19, 2019, 02:54:02 PM
It is not canon, and never will be.

Counterpoint: It is, was, and always will be canon.

Alternatively since Predator 2 featured the skull and The Predator has Lex's Spear, it's at the very least acknowledged by the Predator franchise regardless.

We have no shame round these parts.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 21, 2019, 03:46:21 AM
Alternatively since Predator 2 featured the skull and The Predator has Lex's Spear, it's at the very least acknowledged by the Predator franchise regardless.

That's enough evidence for me.

AvP shares no continuity with Alien. Predator is all contemporary settings so is neither here nor there.

Prepare yourself. Bad faith claim coming  :-X

Shocking! Shocking I tell you!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 20, 2019, 10:30:42 PM

Quote from: happypred on Sep 20, 2019, 03:55:06 PM
If the interior art is by the guy who did d
Destroying Angels, this should be good visually

Definitely!  Doug Wheatley has done some great Star Wars stuff too!

Really liked the painted vibe of Destroying Angels. Civilised Beasts kinda has that feel as well. Outside A/P/AvP, Dark Horse's Conan series in the 2000s had that look as well

Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2019, 05:41:25 AM
AvP shares no continuity with Alien.

Sure it does, we've got comics with Aliens and Predators doing stuff to/at/with each other.

Great to have a stand alone series

Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 21, 2019, 08:52:45 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2019, 05:41:25 AM
AvP shares no continuity with Alien.

Sure it does, we've got comics with Aliens and Predators doing stuff to/at/with each other.

Don't forget Engineers!  :)

Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 21, 2019, 08:52:45 AM
Sure it does, we've got comics with Aliens and Predators doing stuff to/at/with each other.

Kinky

Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2019, 12:53:25 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 21, 2019, 08:52:45 AM
Sure it does, we've got comics with Aliens and Predators doing stuff to/at/with each other.

Kinky

All night long.

So is there still time for them to change the title to Thiccer than Blood?

Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 21, 2019, 08:52:45 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2019, 05:41:25 AM
AvP shares no continuity with Alien.

Sure it does, we've got comics with Aliens and Predators doing stuff to/at/with each other.

Fire and Stone/Life and Death, and The Rage War are apparently still on Fox's current Alien timeline so yeah.

Are they?

We've seen no claim to the contrary

Who would make such claims?

I suppose the folk that claimed it was canon in the first place.

But in terms of this series I could care less on the canonicity of it all. I'm simply excited about a new AVP story.

Who was that?

The folks involved with the "Weyland-Yutani Report" where events from F&S are mentioned.

Oh that.  Fair enough.

Shit changes though, eh?  :)

EDIT -
It changed when Alien 3 killed all the characters from previous films and comics, it changed when Resurrection negated all the other comics, it changed  (arguably) when Ridley created his own Weyland that ignored Andersons.  Some DH Press novels appear to exist in an odd vacuum with no link to the source material.  Games often go off an do their own thing with little to no reference to anything else.

And it'll all no doubt change again at some point.

If that's true, good.

That's a shame. That cliffhanger for Life and Death still haunts me.

I'm glad, all of the aforementioned sucked, apart from the W-Y R. Unfortunately.

Any links to the change or even a reason why it's now changed?

Given that we're coincidentally having this discussion on the AvP Galaxy, forum the question is begged, what is the virtue or benefit of severing strict Alien/s story materials from the context of a greater fictional universe?  I'm very curious about the nuance of different people's viewpoints on this. Is it simply a marketing/persuasion technique appealing to snobbery, or does anyone out there believe it to be something more substantive? 

Just let AvP be it's own thing that includes the films, games, comics, etc.

Make it all whole again Disney.

Wouldn't surprise me if they started again and made it all one thing.

Right.

At this point, I don't give a shit about whether AvP or Aliens vs. Predator or whatever is "canon"...just give me a comic/story/movie that doesn't suck

Yep.  Canon doesn't necessarily mean quality.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 21, 2019, 08:54:12 PMWe've seen no claim to the contrary

Fox basically never openly state what is and isn't considered canon on their part.

Quite.

It's Schrodinger's Hicks; until you open that stasis pod and all possibilities collapse into one, he's both alive and dead depending on what you take as canon! :laugh:

Dead, any otherwise so far is just stupidity.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 22, 2019, 07:49:09 AM

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 21, 2019, 08:54:12 PMWe've seen no claim to the contrary

Fox basically never openly state what is and isn't considered canon on their part.

And yet countless debates crop up, when in essence Fox is saying "decide for yourself". :)

Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2019, 10:58:33 PM
Just let AvP be it's own thing that includes the films, games, comics, etc.

Nah.

Yeah, actually.

Multiverse theory, yo! There is no truly relevant archetype, there's only the statistically arisen consensus, and the audacious variations thereof.

Quote from: Kailem on Sep 22, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
It's Schrodinger's Hicks; until you open that stasis pod and all possibilities collapse into one, he's both alive and dead depending on what you take as canon! :laugh:

Or Turk.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 22, 2019, 05:58:14 PM
Yeah, actually.

Counterpoint: Nah, I like my AvP, I don't need it to be separate. :)

AVP's problem has never been the concept. It's been the execution. Some of the negative quotes about the concept by the bigger names involved with the franchises always left me scratching my head.

Not really.  'Versus' in a title is generally for a sporting contest and conjures up 1950s cheez.

Yeah but it's just a title.

^ This

But I don't think you necessarily need the characters in the title as long as it's marketed well ala Man Of Steel or The Dark Knight.  I'd be more than fine with a new AvP movie just titled "The Deadliest of Species", etc..

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 23, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
^ This

But I don't think you necessarily need the characters in the title as long as it's marketed well ala Man Of Steel or The Dark Knight.  I'd be more than fine with a new AvP movie just titled "The Deadliest of Species", etc..

That's actually a really novel idea.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 22, 2019, 04:44:48 PM
Dead, any otherwise so far is just stupidity.

Well, if they were able to clone Ripley from just a sample of her blood ... There's still some of Hicks' DNA (some dried blood, I suppose ) left in EEV at the end of Alien 3.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 23, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
^ This

But I don't think you necessarily need the characters in the title as long as it's marketed well ala Man Of Steel or The Dark Knight.  I'd be more than fine with a new AvP movie just titled "The Deadliest of Species", etc..

There's definitely some truth to this.  People are going to know what they're getting, without putting AvP in the title.  Same thing could be said for Alien and Predator, too.  I think one issue is that it's just so common for series' to do that (i.e. Terminator, Alien, Predator, etc.), making it I suppose an industry standard of sorts.

Man of Steel and Dark Knight have been synonymous with Superman and Batman - two characters vastly more popular than Alien or Predator - going back 70+ years.

You make an Alien or Predator without the monster name in the title, it's going to hurt your marketing.  Putting 'AvP' in it is going to hurt it too.  It was tainted from the outset with the 'versus' in there, and it's been tainted further with mediocre films.  I think the only thing that can save it is a low budget movie that blows everyone away.

Prometheus, regardless of the quality of the film- it's great marketing, team and Director brought in a large enough number. Without the name of the series.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 24, 2019, 12:14:06 AM
Prometheus, regardless of the quality of the film- it's great marketing, team and Director brought in a large enough number. Without the name of the series.

Taking a cue from Prometheus (a Prequel) would be interesting given implications on both franchises. The Predators have Alien skulls and an Engineer helmet, the Alien origin has been moved up 100 years, so what exactly have they been killing and how did they get that? The Predators show up long after the Engineer got dusted and the Predators had Aliens in that period. Where did they get them? Did they get them from the Engineer? And if so, how?

Something happened either prior or after they showed up on Earth and Prometheus shows some civilizations know about the Engineer, so there might've been contact. What was that like given that both species get viewed as gods?  Sure some names become apocryphal (it doesn't have to be the 2004 Weyland for those events to occur), but otherwise this canon disparity can lead to an interesting story.

Comic and genre fans knew The Dark Knight and Man of Steel, but I'd argue much of the general public didn't know these nicknames. Actually many know Joseph Stalin as the man of steel.

But regardless of that, title only James Bond movies, Fast Five, Glass, Chronicles of Riddick, Hobbs & Shaw whatever, audiences are smart, and a good trailer with good word of mouth and familiar characters will get them to see the movie.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 24, 2019, 12:33:31 AM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 24, 2019, 12:14:06 AM
Prometheus, regardless of the quality of the film- it's great marketing, team and Director brought in a large enough number. Without the name of the series.

Taking a cue from Prometheus (a Prequel) would be interesting given implications on both franchises. The Predators have Alien skulls and an Engineer helmet, the Alien origin has been moved up 100 years, so what exactly have they been killing and how did they get that? The Predators show up long after the Engineer got dusted and the Predators had Aliens in that period. Where did they get them? Did they get them from the Engineer? And if so, how?

Something happened either prior or after they showed up on Earth and Prometheus shows some civilizations know about the Engineer, so there might've been contact. What was that like given that both species get viewed as gods?  Sure some names become apocryphal (it doesn't have to be the 2004 Weyland for those events to occur), but otherwise this canon disparity can lead to an interesting story.

Not sure what you're getting at.  How does the disparity lead to an interesting story?

Quote from: SM on Sep 24, 2019, 12:53:59 AM

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 24, 2019, 12:33:31 AM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 24, 2019, 12:14:06 AM
Prometheus, regardless of the quality of the film- it's great marketing, team and Director brought in a large enough number. Without the name of the series.

Taking a cue from Prometheus (a Prequel) would be interesting given implications on both franchises. The Predators have Alien skulls and an Engineer helmet, the Alien origin has been moved up 100 years, so what exactly have they been killing and how did they get that? The Predators show up long after the Engineer got dusted and the Predators had Aliens in that period. Where did they get them? Did they get them from the Engineer? And if so, how?

Something happened either prior or after they showed up on Earth and Prometheus shows some civilizations know about the Engineer, so there might've been contact. What was that like given that both species get viewed as gods?  Sure some names become apocryphal (it doesn't have to be the 2004 Weyland for those events to occur), but otherwise this canon disparity can lead to an interesting story.

Not sure what you're getting at.  How does the disparity lead to an interesting story?

Instead of rebooting under a different name or doing a low-budget monster movie, why not do something similar to what Prometheus did by making a prequel. As the films happened to develop away from each other we got the canonical disparity and the seemingly endless canon debate. So why not develop something in that setting to explain how we got from point A to point B? A way to make it work might very well be to take it out of the future setting and put it in the period where all parties are established to have been on Earth. Thus freeing up the lore to expand and being unable to step on the toes of the other franchises seeing as they are set far into the future. Thus being so far removed from any canonical error it can be chalked up to it being irrelevant in the modern day or that something was misunderstood. The ancient world both franchises keep alluding to has potential.

What's point A and point B?  AvP and Prometheus?

Best way to free it up I reckon is to completely ignore the Alien films, and let AvP take an independent path.

Quote from: SM on Sep 23, 2019, 11:54:12 PM
Man of Steel and Dark Knight have been synonymous with Superman and Batman - two characters vastly more popular than Alien or Predator - going back 70+ years.

You make an Alien or Predator without the monster name in the title, it's going to hurt your marketing.  Putting 'AvP' in it is going to hurt it too.  It was tainted from the outset with the 'versus' in there, and it's been tainted further with mediocre films.  I think the only thing that can save it is a low budget movie that blows everyone away.

Alien maybe able to get away with something like The Perfect Organism. Not sure Predator really has an equivalent? Ugly Motherf**ker?

But yeah, I completely agree regarding needing a fantastic low budget attempt. Personally, I think Alien should attempt something a little more low-key next time anyway.

Quote from: SM on Sep 24, 2019, 02:42:48 AMBest way to free it up I reckon is to completely ignore the Alien films, and let AvP take an independent path.

Having seen the total creature redesigns that Greek chap (whose name escapes me) drew up for the first AVP, I kinda wish they'd gone that route. Although I'm aware that'd piss most people off lol.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2019, 08:15:05 AMNot sure Predator really has an equivalent? Ugly Motherf**ker?

:laugh:

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2019, 08:15:05 AMPersonally, I think Alien should attempt something a little more low-key next time anyway.

Considering I enjoyed some of the shorts much more than the last two theatrical films, I'm definitely with you there.

If someone was looking for a worse title than Alien vs. Predator, then Perfect Organism vs. Ugly Motherf**ker is the new clubhouse leader.  :laugh:

I still hope to get my Starbeast vs. Hunter project done one day.

Four legged hook hands vs. Jean Claude Van Bugeyes.

Shit I've already bought my ticket.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2019, 08:15:05 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 23, 2019, 11:54:12 PM
Man of Steel and Dark Knight have been synonymous with Superman and Batman - two characters vastly more popular than Alien or Predator - going back 70+ years.

You make an Alien or Predator without the monster name in the title, it's going to hurt your marketing.  Putting 'AvP' in it is going to hurt it too.  It was tainted from the outset with the 'versus' in there, and it's been tainted further with mediocre films.  I think the only thing that can save it is a low budget movie that blows everyone away.

Alien maybe able to get away with something like The Perfect Organism. Not sure Predator really has an equivalent? Ugly Motherf**ker?

But yeah, I completely agree regarding needing a fantastic low budget attempt. Personally, I think Alien should attempt something a little more low-key next time anyway.

In all seriousness "The Perfect Organism" sounds perfect to me for an Alien reboot. Alien fans will already know what it is, and to others, subconsciously it would come across new and fresh.

I think I'd go with "The Hunt" for Predator.

Those sound appropriate to me!  I think it'd be much harder to come up with a title for AvP that represents both species.

Dickhead monster vs Pussyface hunter.

One thing that killed Bill Paxton vs. Another thing that killed Bill Paxton.

:P

Bill Paxton's killers fight. We gonna have to add a Terminator now.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 24, 2019, 05:18:10 PM
Bill Paxton's killers fight. We gonna have to add a Terminator now.

During a tornado.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 24, 2019, 04:45:25 PM
Dickhead monster vs Pussyface hunter.

How about just dick vs. pussy

What, no asshole?

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs

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Quote from: happypred on Sep 26, 2019, 04:57:35 PM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 24, 2019, 04:45:25 PM
Dickhead monster vs Pussyface hunter.

How about just dick vs. pussy

See everyone? They are meant to fit together. To deny AVP is to deny the natural order of things.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 26, 2019, 05:29:55 PM
What, no asshole?

That would be like trying to cross AVP with yet another franchise.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 26, 2019, 05:29:55 PM
What, no asshole?

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs

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That's the humans, they're implied.

The title, the genre implication isn't great.
And the series hasn't had the best run, even the extension of the source material.

Obviously, one's individual mileage may vary, but considering that this is a forum created for fans of the shared Aliens v. Predator universe now 30 years and running, I think its worth noting that there's a lot of awesome material out there to love. My personal favs are:

Aliens vs. Predator
   (the 1990 series itself,
   the 1989 short story preceding it, and
   the 1991 epilogue following up on it)
Aliens vs. Predator II (Dark Horse Insider's 1992 original 14 installment short that later became War #0)
Aliens/Predator: Deadliest of the Species (At first take massive, insane, and bewildering, but once really dug into and analyzed, it turns out to be quite the remarkable world building epic. Probably provided the ground work for Joss Whedon's Dollhouse as well.)
Aliens vs. Predator: Blood Time
Aliens vs. Predator: Duel
Aliens vs. Predator: War (series proper)
Aliens vs. Predator: Eternal
Predator: Captive (lots of rad Alien 'verse background cameos ala the first and best Predator 2 easter egg)
Aliens vs. Predator: Annual #1
   Aliens vs. Predator: Hell-Bent
   Aliens vs. Predator: Pursuit
   Aliens vs. Predator: Lefty's Revenge
   Aliens vs. Predator: Chained to Life and Death
   Aliens vs. Predator: Old Secrets (way too short but provides a compelling addition to the lore with the creation of the Brotherhood of St George.)
Aliens vs. Predator: The Web
Alien vs. Predator: Thrill of the Hunt
Alien vs. Predator: Civilized Beasts
Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War
Alien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone (All the Ahab Bits)
Alien vs. Predator: Life and Death
The Rage War Trilogy by Tim Lebbon

As for the Games, there are many more I haven't even played so I can't comment upon, but some awesome iterations have been
Alien vs. Predator (1994 arcade)
Aliens versus Predator (2000, but lovingly enhanced and modded over the years making it even better)
Aliens versus Predator 2 / Primal Hunt
Predator: Concrete Jungle (2005, fully nested in the shared universe, I could care less about game mechanics, this story is wicked.)
Aliens vs. Predator (the 3rd in rebellion's series 2010)

And yes, even the 2004 film has it's Lovecraftian merits and strong lore elements, despite its sometimes cheesy execution, but when compared to all the awesome EU work, it sorta pales in comparison.

As I'm sure many will do, hate as you see fit. But personally, I love this stuff with very few exceptions. (::cough:: booty::cough)

If one doesn't believe there's any such thing as a good AvP story then... I guess I'm baffled as to why someone holding that opinion would waste time participating on this forum. But, if one genuinely is a fan of the AvP franchise, and not just someone trolling for lulz, then I'd be a lot more curious why one disagrees with accepting any or all of this arguably awesome series of stories.

If you're willing to play, and these selections aren't your thing, I'm curious what makes a good AvP story to you? Genuinely, sincerely, please tell. After all, that's what this entire forum was created for.

Booty is way better than DOTS.

I have two questions:

1. Why would the Preds board a luxury ship? What could possibly count as worthy prey on a ship full of rich vacationers?

2. Why would the kids mentioned in the summary need to fight the Yautja? Their established honor code keeps them from harming or hunting children. That was one of the primary reasons Dachande killed Tichinde. Are these going to be Bad Bloods?

Oh man, I'm sorry you feel that way. Deadliest has a lot of remarkable aspects to it, if one takes the time to really decipher the story being told, and as I mentioned before a f*ckton of fantastic world-building. It's totally understandable how that could be overlooked thanks to its haphazard and confusing narrative and some pretty glaring internal omissions. I can't even imagine how batty and frustrating it must have been for readers slogging through the year and a half it took to publish the thing. Still, I'm really sorry you weren't able to get more out of it than you did. Although, assuming you're not just trolling, I'd be very curious what genuine merits you found in Booty, aside from the humorous title and the mostly ridiculous "Bone-nets".

Do good AVP stories exist? Certainly, is the majority bad? Also yes, the original AVP is excellent, as is AVP Classic, Monolith's AVP, AVP Extinction and regardless of it's major issues I greatly enjoyed Concrete Jungle, but the most of the rest ranges from unbearable mediocrity to pure garbage.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 27, 2019, 11:52:09 PM
Do good AVP stories exist? Certainly, is the majority bad? Also yes, the original AVP is excellent, as is AVP Classic, Monolith's AVP, AVP Extinction and regardless of it's major issues I greatly enjoyed Concrete Jungle, but the most of the rest ranges from unbearable mediocrity to pure garbage.

Ah! You're mostly talking about the video games. I'm not familiar with too many outside of the heavy narrative ones like AvP2, Concrete Jungle and AvP(3). I'm really curious what the less narrative games are like, although the original Capcom Arcade version will *Always* be legit. I was very stoked when Neca put out their figures, they were just perfect.

I've never encountered a perfect NECA figure, lol- and although I mostly mentioned them specifically, I'm talking everything.

Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 27, 2019, 11:47:19 PM
Oh man, I'm sorry you feel that way. Deadliest has a lot of remarkable aspects to it, if one takes the time to really decipher the story being told, and as I mentioned before a f*ckton of fantastic world-building. It's totally understandable how that could be overlooked thanks to its haphazard and confusing narrative and some pretty glaring internal omissions. I can't even imagine how batty and frustrating it must have been for readers slogging through the year and a half it took to publish the thing. Still, I'm really sorry you weren't able to get more out of it than you did. Although, assuming you're not just trolling, I'd be very curious what genuine merits you found in Booty, aside from the humorous title and the mostly ridiculous "Bone-nets".

Booty was just a bit of fun.

DOTS was - I honestly don't know what DOTS was.  Pretentious may be a little harsh, but it was often incredibly ridiculous.  I've read it several times trying to decipher it and it never gets any better.  I had to do a write up for it a few years ago and I had to fudge what I was writing towards the end because I couldn't make head or tail of the backstory.

DOTS will require a full podcast to breakdown.

Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2019, 12:08:37 AMI had to do a write up for it a few years ago and I had to fudge what I was writing towards the end because I couldn't make head or tail of the backstory.

I'm still waiting for the video analysis.

Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2019, 12:08:37 AM

Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 27, 2019, 11:47:19 PM
Oh man, I'm sorry you feel that way. Deadliest has a lot of remarkable aspects to it, if one takes the time to really decipher the story being told, and as I mentioned before a f*ckton of fantastic world-building. It's totally understandable how that could be overlooked thanks to its haphazard and confusing narrative and some pretty glaring internal omissions. I can't even imagine how batty and frustrating it must have been for readers slogging through the year and a half it took to publish the thing. Still, I'm really sorry you weren't able to get more out of it than you did. Although, assuming you're not just trolling, I'd be very curious what genuine merits you found in Booty, aside from the humorous title and the mostly ridiculous "Bone-nets".

Booty was just a bit of fun.

DOTS was - I honestly don't know what DOTS was.  Pretentious may be a little harsh, but it was often incredibly ridiculous.  I've read it several times trying to decipher it and it never gets any better.  I had to do a write up for it a few years ago and I had to fudge what I was writing towards the end because I couldn't make head or tail of the backstory.

Oh snap! I love analyses, is it located here on the site? I'll have to check it out. I'd also love to read an interview some time with Diana Schutz or Chris Claremont about it if I can ever find any. And yeah, it was definitely written in an audacious time where they weren't afraid to take chances with the way a story can be told, which is the kind of diversity I've always loved most about the Alien series as a whole. And I'm not going to lie, it took some heavy reading and some chronological re-editing to finally suss out the mysteries on that one, kinda like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas the first, (or first several) times you see it.

::Let's get down to brass tacks here, how much for the monkey?::

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2019, 12:21:19 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2019, 12:08:37 AMI had to do a write up for it a few years ago and I had to fudge what I was writing towards the end because I couldn't make head or tail of the backstory.

I'm still waiting for the video analysis.

Will it be part of the Alien Encounters series?

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 28, 2019, 12:06:13 AM
I've never encountered a perfect NECA figure, lol- and although I mostly mentioned them specifically, I'm talking everything.

Aw really? I've never been able to purchase any of the figures, only ogled them in pictures, so I've never really experienced their tangible imperfections. They've always just seemed like gorgeously detailed sculpts in the vein of my old McFarland Movie Maniacs figs but with superior articulation and accessories. That's a shame they apparently don't hold up to scrutiny in real life.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 28, 2019, 12:17:09 AM
DOTS will require a full podcast to breakdown.

Dude. That's a podcast I would Love to participate in.

Annoy Hicks enough, and he'll let you on the podcast.

That's how I landed a future interview with Rolston.

;D

Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 28, 2019, 12:28:39 AM
Dude. That's a podcast I would Love to participate in.

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 28, 2019, 12:39:19 AM
Annoy Hicks enough, and he'll let you on the podcast.

Start by making a Hicks appreciation thread. lol

Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 28, 2019, 12:22:58 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2019, 12:08:37 AM

Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 27, 2019, 11:47:19 PM
Oh man, I'm sorry you feel that way. Deadliest has a lot of remarkable aspects to it, if one takes the time to really decipher the story being told, and as I mentioned before a f*ckton of fantastic world-building. It's totally understandable how that could be overlooked thanks to its haphazard and confusing narrative and some pretty glaring internal omissions. I can't even imagine how batty and frustrating it must have been for readers slogging through the year and a half it took to publish the thing. Still, I'm really sorry you weren't able to get more out of it than you did. Although, assuming you're not just trolling, I'd be very curious what genuine merits you found in Booty, aside from the humorous title and the mostly ridiculous "Bone-nets".

Booty was just a bit of fun.

DOTS was - I honestly don't know what DOTS was.  Pretentious may be a little harsh, but it was often incredibly ridiculous.  I've read it several times trying to decipher it and it never gets any better.  I had to do a write up for it a few years ago and I had to fudge what I was writing towards the end because I couldn't make head or tail of the backstory.

Oh snap! I love analyses, is it located here on the site? I'll have to check it out. I'd also love to read an interview some time with Diana Schutz or Chris Claremont about it if I can ever find any. And yeah, it was definitely written in an audacious time where they weren't afraid to take chances with the way a story can be told, which is the kind of diversity I've always loved most about the Alien series as a whole. And I'm not going to lie, it took some heavy reading and some chronological re-editing to finally suss out the mysteries on that one, kinda like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas the first, (or first several) times you see it.

::Let's get down to brass tacks here, how much for the monkey?::

It's not analyses - just a summary of the story - or so I misremembered.  It's actually just profiles of the characters.  When I got to the bit of explaining Caryn/ Ash's or Lucien's past, there was a certain amount of 'and then stuff happened'.

I will get around to a proper analyses on Youtube at some point.  It's some way off though.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 27, 2019, 11:52:09 PMDo good AVP stories exist?

On the comic side, these range from OK to very good

Aliens vs. Predator
War
Duel
Blood Time
Annual (I think this is the one with Chained to Life and Death and the comic about the predator with a chest-burster inside him)
Eternal
Xenogenesis (barely as the art style is cartoony)
Fire & Stone
Life & Death
Civilised Beasts

I can't agree at all, a lot of what you listed is abysmal.

Can you be specific?

Oh, I think Booty is OK as well.

Everything except the ones I mentioned before.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 29, 2019, 12:15:00 AM
I can't agree at all, a lot of what you listed is abysmal.

In all fairness, I think it's fair to say you're not a big AVP fan though, right F.I.?

Quote from: happypred on Sep 28, 2019, 12:25:02 PM

On the comic side, these range from OK to very good

Aliens vs. Predator
War
Duel
Blood Time
Annual (I think this is the one with Chained to Life and Death and the comic about the predator with a chest-burster inside him)
Eternal
Xenogenesis (barely as the art style is cartoony)
Fire & Stone
Life & Death
Civilised Beasts

Lot's of good stuff there! Some I have to revisit because its been too long. I remember not being a big fan of Xenogenesis though...

Quote from: happypred on Sep 28, 2019, 12:25:02 PM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 27, 2019, 11:52:09 PMDo good AVP stories exist?

On the comic side, these range from OK to very good

Aliens vs. Predator
War
Duel
Blood Time
Annual (I think this is the one with Chained to Life and Death and the comic about the predator with a chest-burster inside him)
Eternal
Xenogenesis (barely as the art style is cartoony)
Fire & Stone
Life & Death
Civilised Beasts

Xenogenesis was dire.

Thrill of the Hunt and Civilised Bests had some okay ideas about trying to put the continuity back together post Resurrection, but failed utterly in the execution.

I thought Xenogenesis was bad mainly because of the art. I think if the same story (just the AvP portion) had been done by a better artist, it would've been OK.

The only positive about AvP Xenogenesis was that it wasn't Aliens Xenogenesis.

Ahaha, yes.

Xenogenesis isn't DotS either

Which is better?

DotS must be the worse AVP have experienced.

DoTS feels to me as some crazy, uneven as f**k, mysterious, maybe poorly told but still intriguing story .

Xenogenesis is just " Boom - bang ! " for the sake of " Boom - bang ! "

Xenogenesis was supposed to lead to sequels that maybe would've improved as they went.

DotS is just... ???

I'm still waiting for Predator Hunters 3 to tie into Predator: Xenogenesis.  :laugh:

Favorite AVP story -----> AVP2 for PC.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 01, 2019, 12:54:29 AM
I'm still waiting for Predator Hunters 3 to tie into Predator: Xenogenesis.  :laugh:

Agreed Nostromo.

I have had DotS since 2006. I will now try to read beyond the first three pages...

DotS was my first Alien/AvP comic back in 1998. Didn't really read it through but enjoyed some of the images.
Felt very weird though and it didn't kickstart my fandom (happened later with the AvP games).
Didn't help that the comic fell apart like many of the UK omnibuses do.

Quote from: happypred on Oct 02, 2019, 03:59:59 PM
I have had DotS since 2006. I will now try to read beyond the first three pages...

Hate to break it to you friend, but things get far more batshit from there. I'm not sure what was up with Claremont at the time, (he was constantly dodging the editors for seemingly every script) but the writing consistency in this story is fruity as a nut cake. It took me many readings and some pretty heavy duty analysis before I could clearly suss out specifically what's going on with the story, but some stories are like that. This one is crazy artsy like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (or like a mix between Spiderman Far from Home and Dark City with just a hint of Red Sonja), but a bit more unfocused, which could be similarly said of a lot of Ridley Scott's more symbolic works or a lot of Stanley Kubrick's style, which some readers have the patience for (they become the members of the cult) and which many do not (often the more rational ones. The ones who would never become fanatic readers of Sutter Cane.)

If you do decide to power through The Deadliest of the Species and have an intention to understand and maybe even appreciate the story, there's two things to keep in mind, One, there's a shit ton of "unreliable narrator" action going on, nowhere near as incoherent as Horror Show or ::shudder:: Survival, since things actually do get explained at the 11th hour, so don't necessarily believe what you see/read, and Two, while it's not stated incredibly clearly, (spoiler alerts seem absurd here, since this is more of a clarification than a reveal, but for the niche fans who appreciate a David Lynch-esque non-literal narrative, here you go!)

Spoiler

Ash Parnall is a genius who created a sophisticated learning AI during her time as an astronaut with NASA's early exploratory Pathfinder program, and that AI was stolen from her when she was betrayed and left for dead by a trans-humanistic black marketeer. From there, hilarity ensues.

[close]

If you're patient, brave, and willing to work a little for your consumption, go forth and conquer!

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Also, tDotS is responsible for giving us the single most epic, Metal, full page image from Predator or AvP comics, ever. (your mileage may vary.)

...Legendary.

Rest in peace, Eduardo Barreto, you were the best and your work will shine on.

The first couple of issues are more or less coherent.  And has actual Aliens in too.

After that... you have my sympathies.

And Survival is great.  I don't find it incoherent at all.  It's just dreams within dreams fuelled by inadequacy.

I quite like Survival.

DoTS is my least favorite Alien or Predator comic.

Wow. You found it great? You must be a fan of Cardassian Repetitive epics. But, Cheers to that, mate. It's good to embrace what inspires you. I'd be interested to know more of your thoughts on that one in particular, or rather those three.

Horror Show took a number of reads to get my head around, but was alright enough.

Survival I did not rate when it first came out.  It was at a time when the comics had gone off the boil a bit, and I found it a bit meh.

Years later, reading it as a father with inadequacies and anxieties - it's like being repeatedly kicked in the chest.

QuoteSteve Watson reviewed Aliens: The Deadliest of Species: Predator for Arcane magazine, rating it a 9 out of 10 overall. Watson comments that "Barreto displays a thorough knowledge of the female anatomy in illustrating - very tastefully, I may add - a story which ultimately deals with maternal instinct and female intuition in a fascinating way. Written in a style which provides plenty of space for intrigue and surprise, this novel is a marvellous example of the form."

I think we've got it wrong all this time. Apparently, DoTS is a novel

Quote from: SpaceKase on Oct 03, 2019, 02:50:09 PM

Quote from: happypred on Oct 02, 2019, 03:59:59 PM
I have had DotS since 2006. I will now try to read beyond the first three pages...

Hate to break it to you friend, but things get far more batshit from there. I'm not sure what was up with Claremont at the time, (he was constantly dodging the editors for seemingly every script) but the writing consistency in this story is fruity as a nut cake. It took me many readings and some pretty heavy duty analysis before I could clearly suss out specifically what's going on with the story, but some stories are like that. This one is crazy artsy like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (or like a mix between Spiderman Far from Home and Dark City with just a hint of Red Sonja), but a bit more unfocused, which could be similarly said of a lot of Ridley Scott's more symbolic works or a lot of Stanley Kubrick's style, which some readers have the patience for (they become the members of the cult) and which many do not (often the more rational ones. The ones who would never become fanatic readers of Sutter Cane.)

If you do decide to power through The Deadliest of the Species and have an intention to understand and maybe even appreciate the story, there's two things to keep in mind, One, there's a shit ton of "unreliable narrator" action going on, nowhere near as incoherent as Horror Show or ::shudder:: Survival, since things actually do get explained at the 11th hour, so don't necessarily believe what you see/read, and Two, while it's not stated incredibly clearly, (spoiler alerts seem absurd here, since this is more of a clarification than a reveal, but for the niche fans who appreciate a David Lynch-esque non-literal narrative, here you go!)

Spoiler

Ash Parnall is a genius who created a sophisticated learning AI during her time as an astronaut with NASA's early exploratory Pathfinder program, and that AI was stolen from her when she was betrayed and left for dead by a trans-humanistic black marketeer. From there, hilarity ensues.

[close]

If you're patient, brave, and willing to work a little for your consumption, go forth and conquer!

---

Also, tDotS is responsible for giving us the single most epic, Metal, full page image from Predator or AvP comics, ever. (your mileage may vary.)

...Legendary.

Rest in peace, Eduardo Barreto, you were the best and your work will shine on.

You honestly made me want to read this again!

Dead Orbit, Dust To Dust, Labyrinth, Salvation, Sacrifice, Survival, Wraith, Glass Corridor and the original AVP all rule.

Quote from: happypred on Oct 04, 2019, 01:05:39 PM

QuoteSteve Watson reviewed Aliens: The Deadliest of Species: Predator for Arcane magazine, rating it a 9 out of 10 overall. Watson comments that "Barreto displays a thorough knowledge of the female anatomy in illustrating - very tastefully, I may add - a story which ultimately deals with maternal instinct and female intuition in a fascinating way. Written in a style which provides plenty of space for intrigue and surprise, this novel is a marvellous example of the form."

I think we've got it wrong all this time. Apparently, DoTS is a novel

So he didn't have a clue what it was about either.

I'm still waiting for that Ash Parnall "Renegade" ongoing.  :laugh:

Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2019, 09:04:42 PM
So he didn't have a clue what it was about either.

How can you not know what it's about?  You are, after all, you.  :-\

Potentially the last AVP thing if Predator gets terminated?

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 05, 2019, 12:57:56 AM
Potentially the last AVP thing if Predator gets terminated?

Any chance the comic rights for aliens, predator, AvP might all move to Marvel in the not-distant future?

A very high probability, I'd say.

Yeah I think it'd be more than likely.  Shame for Dark Horse after keeping both the Star Wars and Alien/ Predator flames going so long.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 05, 2019, 12:57:56 AM
Potentially the last AVP thing if Predator gets terminated?

What reason would the Thomases have to revoke the rights?

The Thomases don't own the rights.  And now Disney owns Fox, it's probable that when the current license expires, they'll shift them over to Marvel.

There's a thread in the Predator forum talking about how authors have the ability to revoke (or at least, apply to revoke) rights between 35-43 years after they were granted if they choose. It's happening with The Terminator and a few other properties, and Predator has hit that period. There's zero indication the Thomas Brothers would, but technically it's a thing they could do.

EDIT

Easy reference

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/real-life-terminator-major-studios-face-sweeping-loss-iconic-80s-film-franchise-rights-1244737

That's interesting.  Diane O'Bannon has just enough disdain for Brandywine and Fox to maybe try this on.  ;D

She's got 3 years left at best, let's watch and see  :D

Quote from: SM on Oct 05, 2019, 04:53:38 AM
Yeah I think it'd be more than likely.  Shame for Dark Horse after keeping both the Star Wars and Alien/ Predator flames going so long.

I thought that was just a possibility more than a probability. I don't think I've ever read anything from Marvel comics that I liked. Now I'm worried. How do you guys think they'd treat these licenses?

I think the Predator franchise needs a shake-up on the comics side. Stuff like Hunters and Hunters II is OK, but feels a bit tired. Would like to see some experimentation.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 05, 2019, 06:38:08 AM

Quote from: SM on Oct 05, 2019, 04:53:38 AM
Yeah I think it'd be more than likely.  Shame for Dark Horse after keeping both the Star Wars and Alien/ Predator flames going so long.

I thought that was just a possibility more than a probability. I don't think I've ever read anything from Marvel comics that I liked. Now I'm worried. How do you guys think they'd treat these licenses?

Depends on who they get to write them and who is overseeing things at Fox.

I have no idea when the current license expires or if they'd change over to Marvel, but I think it would strange if they didn't keep things under the one roof.

Disnox is still going to license out A&P for games because they are admittedly no good at it.

But comics they're successful at, so moving A&P in-house to Marvel like Star Wars is inevitable to me, more of a "when" than "if".

Dark Horse have got to be sick of this happening to them.

I like their stuff, especially their older comics. It'd be sad if DH loses to Marvel. Does Marvel do any good horror stuff? God, I hope Neca's license stays safe for a long while...

Marvel's about to do 40k.  I think they can handle Alien and Predator.

I'd be far less concerned with Predator over at Marvel since Predator lends itself fine to action and goofy crossovers and it's not like it wouldn't get used. They roll it into the mainline continuity and I promise you the crossovers will include an Avengers push and at least one hosting a symbiote. You'd see some crazy shit over at Marvel. Probably not JLA versus Predator nuts but if they got the license I don't doubt we'd have a good time.

Alien is the one we'd have to worry about.

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Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 05, 2019, 09:24:34 PM
I like their stuff, especially their older comics. It'd be sad if DH loses to Marvel. Does Marvel do any good horror stuff? God, I hope Neca's license stays safe for a long while...

Moon Knight has a few horror(ish) books but Immortal Hulk has been doing a lot right and it's one of their best titles and sellers right now. Absolute Carnage is great as well. In fact the Carnage book they put out a few years before this was a good one. Sure a lot of it is through the lenses of superheroes but Marvel does horror well enough that Predator would do alright.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 04, 2019, 01:48:32 PM
Dead Orbit, Dust To Dust, Labyrinth, Salvation, Sacrifice, Survival, Wraith, Glass Corridor and the original AVP all rule.

Especially that one

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2019, 09:25:14 PM
Marvel's about to do 40k.  I think they can handle Alien and Predator.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 05, 2019, 11:07:53 PM
I'd be far less concerned with Predator over at Marvel since Predator lends itself fine to action and goofy crossovers and it's not like it wouldn't get used. They roll it into the mainline continuity and I promise you the crossovers will include an Avengers push and at least one hosting a symbiote. You'd see some crazy shit over at Marvel. Probably not JLA versus Predator nuts but if they got the license I don't doubt we'd have a good time.

Alien is the one we'd have to worry about.

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Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 05, 2019, 09:24:34 PM
I like their stuff, especially their older comics. It'd be sad if DH loses to Marvel. Does Marvel do any good horror stuff? God, I hope Neca's license stays safe for a long while...

Moon Knight has a few horror(ish) books but Immortal Hulk has been doing a lot right and it's one of their best titles and sellers right now. Absolute Carnage is great as well. In fact the Carnage book they put out a few years before this was a good one. Sure a lot of it is through the lenses of superheroes but Marvel does horror well enough that Predator would do alright.

Thanks for the info guys. Well then, I hope for the best.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 05, 2019, 11:07:53 PM
I'd be far less concerned with Predator over at Marvel since Predator lends itself fine to action and goofy crossovers and it's not like it wouldn't get used. They roll it into the mainline continuity and I promise you the crossovers will include an Avengers push and at least one hosting a symbiote. You'd see some crazy shit over at Marvel. Probably not JLA versus Predator nuts but if they got the license I don't doubt we'd have a good time.

Alien is the one we'd have to worry about. 

I only think of Predator as marginally goofier than Aliens, mainly because of the 80s macho men cast.

Neither of these franchises should be given the goofy treatment by Marvel.

I don't want Aliens comics about a piglet with a bomb strapped to its back or Aliens vs. Mondo or Vampirella (Dark Horse actually went the goofy route with Aliens on more than one occasion)...or stuff like Predator vs. Archie, which I find incredibly jarring and a waste of time.

I'd rather Alien stay at DH, but it doesn't appear likely.
Especially since Predator is the one rumoured for termination, not Alien- thus- Predator may stay with DH.

It's not rumoured for termination. The news report literally just says it's a property that is technically open to it if the authors so choose, not that they seem so inclined.

Predator can hit termination as early as 2022 assuming the Thomas Brothers have begun working on a notice. They can't just take it, they do have to let all I.P holders know what's up before the termination date specified in the notice (this might get a bit complicated as it comes to merch like comics but I could easily be wrong). They have a very short window to serve that notice as well since according to the site I'm getting my information from, they need to have it two years before 2027.

I'm not 100% convinced they will but you never know. If we've only just now heard rumblings about this and it's just that Predator could be terminated I think we're fine unless something really disastrous happens.

Apropos of nothing, but Absolute Carnage and Immortal Hulk both kick ASS.

Having said that, I'd prefer Alien and Predator stayed at DH - if only to prevent Disney getting any more of a monopoly than they already have. Most of the Predator EU - hell some of the movies - are entirely based on stuff that Dark Horse's creative teams did in the comics, so I think they'd earned a little more respect than they're being given. I know, I know - Late Capitalist Dystopian Hellscape and all that, but still...  :P

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 06, 2019, 12:58:29 PM
I'd rather Alien stay at DH, but it doesn't appear likely.
Especially since Predator is the one rumoured for termination, not Alien- thus- Predator may stay with DH.

If the rights-holder for Predator does shift in 2022, I remember reading with Terminator there was some sort of multi year grace period. It's not a stop everything you're doing and back away legal order. Planned projects can still be seen to fruition, as well as termed licensed deals. So we're looking at maybe 2025, if it happens at all, so I think it's a little premature to bring it up.  We'll see what happens in 2022. :)

Quote from: Naginata on Oct 06, 2019, 03:08:45 PM
Apropos of nothing, but Absolute Carnage and Immortal Hulk both kick ASS.

Having said that, I'd prefer Alien and Predator stayed at DH - if only to prevent Disney getting any more of a monopoly than they already have. Most of the Predator EU - hell some of the movies - are entirely based on stuff that Dark Horse's creative teams did in the comics, so I think they'd earned a little more respect than they're being given. I know, I know - Late Capitalist Dystopian Hellscape and all that, but still...  :P

Agreed, on both counts.  Disney doesn't need any more titles.  Plus, even though DH has produced some weird stuff for Predator, they've also produced a lot of great stuff that I think has added to the EU.  I trust them for the most part with the title, and would rather see them stay.

I would prefer DH keeps the license, too. But Disney can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with, and won't stop until every IP belongs to them.

Frankly, I don't see much difference in quality between Marvel and DH these days

I want the license to stay with DH. Dark Horse Alien/Predator/AvP comics have been apart of my life since like 1993. I don't mind showing them a bit of brand loyalty.

Though it won't do them much good I suppose.

The solicits and cover art for issue #2 are out:

Quote from: Dark HorseAliens vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood #2 (of 4)

Jeremy Barlow (W), Doug Wheatley (A), Rain Beredo (C), and Chun Lo (Cover)

On sale Jan 8

FC, 32 pages

$3.99

Miniseries

Spoiler

With nowhere left to run but into the Predators' ship, every turn leads Maria and Tyler deeper into danger—until they discover a captive xenomorph. Could the Alien be the weapon to tip the scales in their favor, or will they find themselves caught in a crossfire?

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/10/24/dark-horse-comics-january-2020-solicits-new-stranger-things-umbrella-academy-and-well-soon-be-home-again/

Quote from: Kailem on Oct 24, 2019, 09:02:04 PM
The solicits and cover art for issue #2 are out:

Quote from: Dark HorseAliens vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood #2 (of 4)

Jeremy Barlow (W), Doug Wheatley (A), Rain Beredo (C), and Chun Lo (Cover)

On sale Jan 8

FC, 32 pages

$3.99

Miniseries

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With nowhere left to run but into the Predators' ship, every turn leads Maria and Tyler deeper into danger—until they discover a captive xenomorph. Could the Alien be the weapon to tip the scales in their favor, or will they find themselves caught in a crossfire?

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/10/24/dark-horse-comics-january-2020-solicits-new-stranger-things-umbrella-academy-and-well-soon-be-home-again/

Aw that's a pretty sweet cover!  Nice find & thanks for sharing!

Did I miss the solicitation for issue #1 somewhere in this thread?

No problem, and I'm not sure, now that you mention it. I just assumed it must have been posted already a few pages back since the one for #2 was out.

Maybe the initial announcement is also the solicit for the first issue?

Yeah, the initial announcement was essentially the soliciation for the first issue. That new cover is badass too!

Ah...well... that certainly makes a whole lot of sense! :)

Is there gonna be any Predaliens ?

Quote from: Kailem on Oct 24, 2019, 09:02:04 PM

A well drawn one would be a treat to see.

AvP Duel was the last time we got a decent predalien

Yeah, and it's decent, not good, not bad.

Quote from: happypred on Oct 28, 2019, 06:21:19 AM
AvP Duel was the last time we got a decent predalien

I did love that design

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dreadlocks

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No thank you lol.

"Dreadlocks, dreadlocks !"

Never! It's always awful.

I'm interested in what they'd go with if one did show up considering they do use the Requiem Predalien, but if I'm not mistaken one shows up in the Judge Dredd book like the Requiem concept art (I didn't read it and I'm referencing scans).

As far as dreads, keep them. Just raise the crest up like the Predator and drape them behind it like the host. No reason to reinvent the wheel on dreadlock placement. That being said I wouldn't mind if they are removed if it allows the artist to retain the coloration, mandibles, and heavier build.

Absolutely disgusting. No way.
Biomechanical or go home.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 30, 2019, 02:14:02 PM
I'm interested in what they'd go with if one did show up considering they do use the Requiem Predalien, but if I'm not mistaken one shows up in the Judge Dredd book like the Requiem concept art (I didn't read it and I'm referencing scans).

As far as dreads, keep them. Just raise the crest up like the Predator and drape them behind it like the host. No reason to reinvent the wheel on dreadlock placement. That being said I wouldn't mind if they are removed if it allows the artist to retain the coloration, mandibles, and heavier build.

I can roll with all of that.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 30, 2019, 02:38:09 PM
Biomechanical or go home.

This. Being biomechanical is the most important part for me. I can tolerate mandibles and dreads, just don't make it fleshy.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 30, 2019, 03:11:57 PM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 30, 2019, 02:38:09 PM
Biomechanical or go home.

This. Being biomechanical is the most important part for me. I can tolerate mandibles and dreads, just don't make it fleshy.

Can you tolerate egg barfing?

Not as a Predalien thing. Having an alternative method of reproduction for a p̶r̶a̶e̶t̶o̶r̶i̶a̶n̶ young/molting queen like Chet was before it could lay eggs isn't that bad in theory. But I would have preffered eggmorphing instead of eggbarfing, since the latter eliminates the need of eggs/facehuggers, making it too easy of an asspull to increase the aliens numbers.

It should have had setbacks that would make egg laying more effective in the end, start by removing the multiple bursters thing.

I prefer the Voodoo Magic theory.  8)

Yautja mouth = Reproductive Organ

DNA Reflex. Predator DNA is dominant and exerts a greater influence over the Alien species than other species.

That idea is pure cringe, the Alien is always the dominant DNA presence. I don't think any species ought to exert more influence over the resulting Alien creature. It also contradicts the symbolic nature of the Alien, as a mockery of the species it rapes.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 30, 2019, 02:38:09 PM
Absolutely disgusting. No way.
Biomechanical or go home.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 30, 2019, 04:10:30 PM
That idea is pure cringe, the Alien is always the dominant DNA presence. I don't think any species ought to exert more influence over the resulting Alien creature. It also contradicts the symbolic nature of the Alien, as a mockery of the species it rapes.

I agree with allll of this.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 30, 2019, 04:10:30 PM
That idea is pure cringe, the Alien is always the dominant DNA presence. I don't think any species ought to exert more influence over the resulting Alien creature. It also contradicts the symbolic nature of the Alien, as a mockery of the species it rapes.

Dominant?

Or Hybrid?  8)

I quite like the idea of a Predalien instinctively ripping out spinal columns, but to have it going around skinning people is a step too far for me. If nothing else, how the f*ck does it do it without tools?

The Alien is already shown to keep skeletons in the hive. That isn't far removed from the Predator's trophy wall really in my opinion. So I don't mind.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 30, 2019, 04:28:40 PM
I quite like the idea of a Predalien instinctively ripping out spinal columns, but to have it going around skinning people is a step too far for me. If nothing else, how the f*ck does it do it without tools?

Maybe it used tools....

Appropriate Halloween post, no one replied because we were all so horrified.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 01, 2019, 06:10:43 PM
Appropriate Halloween post, no one replied because we were all so horrified.

:laugh:

Or they just embraced it because the theory is so Voodoo Magical!

Really looking foreward to this comic. In part because I really dug the art in Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels. The premise also intrigues me. Wouldn't it be interesting if they had the Alien assume the role of unlikely saviour?

I believe Wheatley also did the art of the comic version of Star Wars Episode III. It has a nice painted feel.

Yeah, good artist.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2019, 08:28:03 PM

Late to the party, but man that cover. Great artwork.

Beats the hell out of any of Titan's cover art.

Solicitations for February are out.

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QuoteAliens vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood #3 (of 4)
Jeremy Barlow (W), Doug Wheatley (A), Rain Beredo (C), and Chun Lo (Cover)
On sale Feb 12
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries

Two kids, trapped aboard a crippled space liner with both a Predator and an Alien hunting them. They have only each other on which to depend, and getting even one of them out alive will require a sacrifice

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Sounds interesting if done right.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2019, 06:46:37 AM
Solicitations for February are out.

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QuoteAliens vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood #3 (of 4)
Jeremy Barlow (W), Doug Wheatley (A), Rain Beredo (C), and Chun Lo (Cover)
On sale Feb 12
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries

Two kids, trapped aboard a crippled space liner with both a Predator and an Alien hunting them. They have only each other on which to depend, and getting even one of them out alive will require a sacrifice

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Wasn't it deemed illegal in the US to have depictions of children being killed? I remember reading that somewhere. Regardless, there was that one story where some kids played center characters and it ended with them beating up a Predator with a pipe.

Quote from: Monster Man on Dec 01, 2019, 09:17:48 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2019, 06:46:37 AM
Solicitations for February are out.

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QuoteAliens vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood #3 (of 4)
Jeremy Barlow (W), Doug Wheatley (A), Rain Beredo (C), and Chun Lo (Cover)
On sale Feb 12
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries

Two kids, trapped aboard a crippled space liner with both a Predator and an Alien hunting them. They have only each other on which to depend, and getting even one of them out alive will require a sacrifice

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Wasn't it deemed illegal in the US to have depictions of children being killed? I remember reading that somewhere. Regardless, there was that one story where some kids played center characters and it ended with them beating up a Predator with a pipe.

You forget Sam in Requiem?

I'm trying to forget it.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2019, 08:44:43 PM

Quote from: Monster Man on Dec 01, 2019, 09:17:48 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2019, 06:46:37 AM
Solicitations for February are out.

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QuoteAliens vs. Predator: Thicker Than Blood #3 (of 4)
Jeremy Barlow (W), Doug Wheatley (A), Rain Beredo (C), and Chun Lo (Cover)
On sale Feb 12
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries

Two kids, trapped aboard a crippled space liner with both a Predator and an Alien hunting them. They have only each other on which to depend, and getting even one of them out alive will require a sacrifice

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Wasn't it deemed illegal in the US to have depictions of children being killed? I remember reading that somewhere. Regardless, there was that one story where some kids played center characters and it ended with them beating up a Predator with a pipe.

You forget Sam in Requiem?

https://www.schnittberichte.com//www/SBs/996488/avp00024.jpg

I also forgot about IT as well. Perhaps the restriction isn't so tight on movies or books than it is on video games.

Kids can be killed in film. No question and even with both Alien and Predator franchises, they went there. In the case of film you tend to see that in the more adult material anyways so with less restrictions being on an R-rated property it's not like you have to keep the kid alive, just that a lot of people do.

It's also worth noting that the people over at Darkhorse (at least as far as we know) don't answer to the same people Marvel or DC do. And even then both companies have killed off kids, DC in particular has a string of dead or murdered children. Jason Todd (one of the many Robin) was killed between as an older child or young teenager and while has gotten older since then, it was partially shocking because he was so young. There's also Lian Harper (who pretty definitively was a kid) who is shown to be a victim of a terror attack and we even see the body. Marvel was also noted in a few comic events to show kids actually getting nuked when Nitro exploded leading to Civil War which would then go onto inspire the Captain America movie.

No you can totally kill kids off in comics.

Only Aliens and Alien³ killed children, a lot in Aliens one in Alien³, Aliens off-screen and Alien³ on-screen, respectively.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 02, 2019, 01:05:30 AM
Kids can be killed in film. No question and even with both Alien and Predator franchises, they went there.

Unless I'm dumbly overlooking something, when did a child get killed in a Predator film? I know Alien and AvP did, but Predator?

Oh God, I completely forgot that in The Predator, the child was going to get "harvested" so, that is as close as it gets. Let me ruminate on the idiocy of that for a second.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 02, 2019, 09:16:32 PM
Oh God, I completely forgot that in The Predator, the child was going to get "harvested" so, that is as close as it gets. Let me ruminate on the idiocy of that for a second.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/7f/d5/2a7fd5191e1992b772190bbf6e73990b.jpg

One might think the Upgrade could just take a few vials of Rory's blood and be on its way.

Nah, because it was supposed to retroactively mean that the collection of trophies was for this reason. Oh who cares.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 03, 2019, 05:07:43 PM
Nah, because it was supposed to retroactively mean that the collection of trophies was for this reason. Oh who cares.

I'll go with your last sentence.  ;D

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 03, 2019, 05:07:43 PM
Nah, because it was supposed to retroactively mean that the collection of trophies was for this reason. Oh who cares.

It's a different group of Predators each time and media since then hasn't touched on it. It's safe to say it's a one off.

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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 02, 2019, 03:17:17 PM

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 02, 2019, 01:05:30 AM
Kids can be killed in film. No question and even with both Alien and Predator franchises, they went there.

Unless I'm dumbly overlooking something, when did a child get killed in a Predator film? I know Alien and AvP did, but Predator?

I counted AVP-R for both franchises seeing as both creatures of course are in it with the Alien specifically getting the kill (and indirectly caused by the crashed Predator ship). No kid in the solo Predator movies gets killed to my recollection, but in terms of the overall franchise it did happen in a Predator movie it just happened in the crossover. Outside of that it is implied to be canon as of The Predator and even if it wasn't it was still a movie with the Predator in a starring role that involves dead children. So at the end of the day both franchises due to the crossover already crossed that line.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cbr.com/dark-horse-alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood/amp/

Preview up for the first issue. Loving Wheatley's art here.

Okay, so we got ourselves a bad blood! I'd forgot Rain Beredo was doing the colouring. She'd done Dust to Dust. She actually compliments Wheatley's artwork quite well.

Ehh im actually not feeling the art on this and I really like Wheatley. Not sure if the bright coloring but it feels very cartoony, something I wasnt expecting.

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I think i was expecting something closer to his work on Destroying Angels

I'm always happy to see the whip again. Though my one complaint is that the head of the Predator is too big for that angle but for a Bad Blood just wrecking house I'm cool with it.

We definitely have some evil behavior going down here!

Looking good! Glad to have Wheatley back. Hopefully one day he gets to do a Prometheus book.

Loving the look as of now, hope it stays that consistent.

Glad some Bad Bloods (presuming) are making an appearance. On an alternate note, that preview already has me feeling bad for the kid  :-\

Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 06, 2019, 04:50:35 PM
Ehh im actually not feeling the art on this and I really like Wheatley. Not sure if the bright coloring but it feels very cartoony, something I wasnt expecting.

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I think i was expecting something closer to his work on Destroying Angels

Compare this to Wheatleys work on Star Wars. There are worlds between. I think they payed him not the same money to do the details. I'm not sure whats wrong with Dark Horse, but they had done better artwork quality in the past.

But anyway. I'm looking forward for a new AVP Story. But I think storywise it will not be like the first Series. A Luxus Space Liner is not the best setting for a AvP Story.

I'm not anticipating it anymore after seeing the synopsis, first page and artwork, no offense to the artist I know his work elsewhere is excellent.

Has to be a bad blood, yeah? Slaughtering

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old fat guy in the speedo and bikini lady

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The art looks pretty good IMO actually. I've seen a lot worse.

Pretty good tease.

I've always thought a luxury spacecraft would make for an interesting outbreak location.

Also, notice in the first panel the Predator ship is the same type from 'Predators.'

The more Predators love the better IMHO. Is it me or does this Bad Blood like Kennerish too?

Agreed, when it comes to the lore anyway.

I really enjoyed this first issue.

Let me just say, as much as I loved Wheatley's Resurrection Aliens in 'Destroying Angles', man,  his Big Chap kicks its ass.

I really enjoyed that first issue. The artwork is top notch IMHO. Some really f**king cool panels in this, especially when

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the second Predator shows up, and that last page of the Alien.

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Totally man. Like I said.

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Wheatley's Big Chap is amazing.

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I'll be stopping at the local CBS tonight and hopefully pick up a copy!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
I really enjoyed that first issue. The artwork is top notch IMHO. Some really f**king cool panels in this, especially when

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the second Predator shows up, and that last page of the Alien.

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Did you not think that the second predator had a real Anderson AVP look about it?

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The Big Chap is the best Alien design after all.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 11, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
The Big Chap is the best Alien design after all.

No argument here :)

https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/review-the-cruise-from-hell-in-alien-versus-predator-thicker-than-blood/

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Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 11, 2019, 01:33:37 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
I really enjoyed that first issue. The artwork is top notch IMHO. Some really f**king cool panels in this, especially when

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the second Predator shows up, and that last page of the Alien.

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Did you not think that the second predator had a real Anderson AVP look about it?

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It gave me something of an Elder vibe.

Wow that was a really good issue! Wheatley f**king knocked it out of the park with the art (as I knew he would)!

Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 11, 2019, 01:33:37 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
I really enjoyed that first issue. The artwork is top notch IMHO. Some really f**king cool panels in this, especially when

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the second Predator shows up, and that last page of the Alien.

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Did you not think that the second predator had a real Anderson AVP look about it?

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The armor appears to be based off the AVP movies here. Both Predators carry a mixture of Scar and Wolf's gear with a few elements from Jungle Hunter's kit. Both of them also carry weapons or variants of them from those films like the extended wrist blades, whip (though here appearing more like an energy weapon but carries the same design), and mine bandoleer. The second Predator's cape I think also comes from AVP.

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Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 11, 2019, 07:06:07 PM

Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 11, 2019, 01:33:37 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
I really enjoyed that first issue. The artwork is top notch IMHO. Some really f**king cool panels in this, especially when

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the second Predator shows up, and that last page of the Alien.

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Did you not think that the second predator had a real Anderson AVP look about it?

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The armor appears to be based off the AVP movies here. Both Predators carry a mixture of Scar and Wolf's gear with a few elements from Jungle Hunter's kit. Both of them also carry weapons or variants of them from those films like the extended wrist blades, whip (though here appearing more like an energy weapon but carries the same design), and mine bandoleer. The second Predator's cape I think also comes from AVP.

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Yeah, what really spoke AVP film to me was...

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those way-too-long-you-got-to-be-kidding gauntlet blades.  Boy do I loathe thee so.

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I did enjoy the issue though. I would have appreciated a deeper dive with Tyler though, specifically with...

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the mom and dad perhaps fighting over if the artificial Tyler should distract the Predator so the "real" family could make a run for it.  But alas, that moment was only shallow puddle deep.

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Loved the issue.

Generally a good first issue

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Mom and caped predator died kinda stupidly though

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Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2019, 01:33:29 PM
Generally a good first issue

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Mom and caped predator died kinda stupidly though

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Do you mean the elevator shenanigans? It was a bit silly but I was alright with it.  :)

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I quite liked it myself. Must have been some serious weight and speed to do that.

The silly part to me was, and maybe I have to go back and reread it, was how Tyler's human sister was capable of...

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hacking and overriding the programming of a pleasure cruise elevator so quickly? Tyler I would get, because he's synthetic, but I doubt most pre-teens are trained on elevator technology, let alone equipped to override such a device they don't have access clearance to, allowing such a dangerous result.  :P

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But I still liked it because, you know, it's nitpicking.  ;D

For nitpicks sake, I also don't think she was pre-teen, I took it to be she was teenaged. I believe there was also some dialogue about her working, or being off shift, so I assume she was actually staff on the ship.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2019, 03:14:36 PM
For nitpicks sake, I also don't think she was pre-teen, I took it to be she was teenaged. I believe there was also some dialogue about her working, or being off shift, so I assume she was actually staff on the ship.

She does part time elevator repair?  I assumed a teenage job like folding towels.  ;D

To me she looked about 12 based on the drawing but to be fair, that's all in the eye of the beholder I guess.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2019, 03:27:25 PM
She does part time elevator repair?  I assumed a teenage job like folding towels.  ;D

Well considering all she seems to be actually doing is turning on a verbal input to override the controls, I don't think it's too outrageous. She's obviously got enough clearance to do that.

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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2019, 03:27:25 PM
She does part time elevator repair?  I assumed a teenage job like folding towels.  ;D

Well considering all she seems to be actually doing is turning on a verbal input to override the controls, I don't think it's too outrageous. She's obviously got enough clearance to do that.

That's fair. It's still a little strange to me such embedded safety measures can be so easily overridden, but that's fair.

Either way, I liked it. Little nitpicky things that don't quite make sense to me I can fortunately, happily overlook and I always feel bad for the one's that can't.. the people who involuntarily get stuck on such things hurting their overall experience.

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Caped predator's death was more embarrassing than "stupid"

I thought it was silly how the mom stood in front of the elevator door gap to deliver her lines instead of quickly getting into the elevator herself (she's more helpful to her daughter alive than dead) or leading the caped predator away from the elevator

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Caped predator's death was more embarrassing than "stupid"

I thought it was silly how the mom stood in front of the elevator door gap to deliver her lines instead of quickly getting into the elevator herself (she's more helpful to her daughter alive than dead) or leading the caped predator away from the elevator

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Fair point!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2019, 03:14:36 PM
For nitpicks sake, I also don't think she was pre-teen, I took it to be she was teenaged. I believe there was also some dialogue about her working, or being off shift, so I assume she was actually staff on the ship.

She's fifteen and grown up working on the ship.

Its an interesting set up and having kids as the leads and a synthetic one at that is an interesting take since Newt was such a big focus. Speaking of, has there been any synthetic kids shown in the Alien lore in any capacity or is this the first time ?

I did like caped predator's design apart from his wrist...swords.

Nice combo of Tracker and Elder

ALIEN VS. PREDATOR: THICKER THAN BLOOD #4 cover

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The action-packed finale! Maria and the Predator make their final, harrowing stand against the Alien. But in a pact with the Predator, safety is never guaranteed.

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Unless that's a really misleading cover...kinda spoilerish innit?

https://www.roguesportal.com/interview-jeremy-barlow-and-doug-wheatley-talk-about-music-harry-potter-and-their-new-series/

Interview with Jeremy and Doug.

Issue one felt a bit strange to me, the way it started made me think I had missed the first part of the story or something. Then the Predators just rock up and start slicing and dicing a bunch of unarmed beach goers and crew. I guess we have to assume that these Preds are bad bloods? I hope its addressed at some point in the story.

The art is pretty good and the blood and gore is well done. Maybe a little more cartoony than I would have liked or expected but still pretty great.

Overall the whole setup feels a bit 90's but I'm excited to see where it goes.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 27, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
Issue one felt a bit strange to me, the way it started made me think I had missed the first part of the story or something. Then the Predators just rock up and start slicing and dicing a bunch of unarmed beach goers and crew. I guess we have to assume that these Preds are bad bloods? I hope its addressed at some point in the story.

The art is pretty good and the blood and gore is well done. Maybe a little more cartoony than I would have liked or expected but still pretty great.

Overall the whole setup feels a bit 90's but I'm excited to see where it goes.

One of the characters suspect they crossed into the Predators territory. While Bad bloods are very likely I don't think it would be out of the question for the species to be territorial. Sure that would conflict with what we know of them generally not attacking unarmed opponents, but we have known them to kill for reasons other than sport be it religious or clean-up operations.

The Xenomorph we see here also seems Human derived so it's possible they could see them as aggressors assuming they discovered the Xenomorph on their turf. 

Quote from: BetterThanKenobi83 on Dec 20, 2019, 12:16:17 PM
Its an interesting set up and having kids as the leads and a synthetic one at that is an interesting take since Newt was such a big focus. Speaking of, has there been any synthetic kids shown in the Alien lore in any capacity or is this the first time ?

Viola in Alien Echo - though she is a teenager by the time we meet her.

Morphology? Longevity? Incept dates?

Don't know such stuff.  Just do eyes.  Just eyes.

Quote from: molasar on Dec 21, 2019, 01:54:27 AM
ALIEN VS. PREDATOR: THICKER THAN BLOOD #4 cover

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The action-packed finale! Maria and the Predator make their final, harrowing stand against the Alien. But in a pact with the Predator, safety is never guaranteed.

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Another cool cover. Killin' Aliens, Castlevania style.

https://doomrocket.com/exclusive-preview-alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood-2/

Preview here for issue 2, out next week.

Oh, snap! Little bit of janky colouring in there, but...

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skull! Rare time when an Alien actually ups a Predator.

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Yeah really not feeling the look of this series. Its a bummer because i was so excited for Wheatley.

Will just have to wait and see how much I enjoy it when the series is done.

I kind of un-ironically love that the Predator flamethrower it's just a wrist mounted flamethrower. Not even a change in color or anything it's just hands free.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2020, 07:49:55 PM
Oh, snap! Little bit of janky colouring in there, but...

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skull! Rare time when an Alien actually ups a Predator.

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>:(

I really like issue 2.

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The Alien is getting a real good showing against the Predator's in this issue.

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Any other reason to like it? That's like saying Requiem is good cuz of Wolf's alien killcount

Well I think there is plenty of reasons to like it.

What I wrote in spoiler tags was not the reason why I like this. It was an observation.

Well, I kinda liked it too, but just don't think they would need a ladder (ist here just for the plot..)

Non-spoiler review of issue 2.

It's a pretty breezy read though that makes a lot of sense considering its only four issues long of a mini-series. It would probably read well in trade and frankly if this becomes the trend I'd prefer that Darkhorse puts out graphic novels than a single comic per-month. My issue primarily being that I'm left wanting more and I have to wait until next month to do so which can be both good and bad.

I do like the Alien getting the time to shine here since they tend to get their asses kicked, it feels kind of refreshing given that it's common to see Predators take them down hard.
There is also a few cameos on the ship specifically on the weapon wall I like. It's small but little continuity details like that are great.

Overall B+

Another really cool issue!

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I like how the first issue had the predators front and center wrecking shit and in this issue the alien reigned supreme.

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Very nice balance between the two issues. Also Wheatley is such a great artist. His alien is phenomenal and his predators are second to none. Looking forward to next month's issue!

I think I've just been going "oh, damn!" every few pages with both issues. There are some f**king fantastic panels in both issues so far. I really enjoyed the second issue. Wheatley's artwork continues to be top notch and I'm still liking Beredo's colouring too. I'm really digging the Aliens actually being competent in an AvP series because that usually doesn't happen.

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Loved the scarred up Predator on the ship. Also loved that wrist mounted flamethrower. While I'm loving the Alien being useful, I'm also kinda like "awwww, he died." I love me some scarred up Predators doing damage. But after what happened to that Elder (another oh, damn) I'm wondering if we'll see him get into some good action at some point. Mechanical arm and leg, anyone?!

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 16, 2020, 12:52:54 PM
I think I've just been going "oh, damn!" every few pages with both issues. There are some f**king fantastic panels in both issues so far. I really enjoyed the second issue. Wheatley's artwork continues to be top notch and I'm still liking Beredo's colouring too. I'm really digging the Aliens actually being competent in an AvP series because that usually doesn't happen.

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Loved the scarred up Predator on the ship. Also loved that wrist mounted flamethrower. While I'm loving the Alien being useful, I'm also kinda like "awwww, he died." I love me some scarred up Predators doing damage. But after what happened to that Elder (another oh, damn) I'm wondering if we'll see him get into some good action at some point. Mechanical arm and leg, anyone?!

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It left behind its wrist gauntlet. Granted that was the arm with the wrist blades and the one with the gauntlet was what got caught in the door, but I'm not expecting them to self-destruct. So I'm expecting him to make a last stand. They'd need at least one of his hands to work to operate the ship so either they carry around his hand or the Predator is the one that lives. I'm expecting the synthetic kid to die. 

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 16, 2020, 12:52:54 PM
I think I've just been going "oh, damn!" every few pages with both issues. There are some f**king fantastic panels in both issues so far. I really enjoyed the second issue. Wheatley's artwork continues to be top notch and I'm still liking Beredo's colouring too. I'm really digging the Aliens actually being competent in an AvP series because that usually doesn't happen.

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Loved the scarred up Predator on the ship. Also loved that wrist mounted flamethrower. While I'm loving the Alien being useful, I'm also kinda like "awwww, he died." I love me some scarred up Predators doing damage. But after what happened to that Elder (another oh, damn) I'm wondering if we'll see him get into some good action at some point. Mechanical arm and leg, anyone?!

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I certainly said "oh damn" when

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The whip was used to amputate those broken limbs

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Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jan 16, 2020, 07:02:56 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 16, 2020, 12:52:54 PM
I think I've just been going "oh, damn!" every few pages with both issues. There are some f**king fantastic panels in both issues so far. I really enjoyed the second issue. Wheatley's artwork continues to be top notch and I'm still liking Beredo's colouring too. I'm really digging the Aliens actually being competent in an AvP series because that usually doesn't happen.

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Loved the scarred up Predator on the ship. Also loved that wrist mounted flamethrower. While I'm loving the Alien being useful, I'm also kinda like "awwww, he died." I love me some scarred up Predators doing damage. But after what happened to that Elder (another oh, damn) I'm wondering if we'll see him get into some good action at some point. Mechanical arm and leg, anyone?!

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I certainly said "oh damn" when

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The whip was used to amputate those broken limbs

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Yep, that was certainly one of those moments for me!

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I really thought they'd killed him so I thought that was quite a surprise.

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So, is it good?

I wasn't sure about the first issue or even the preview of issue #2. But #2 was actually really good and has me pretty excited now for the rest of the series. Some excellent panels in this issue too.

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This Alien is kicking some major butt! Its a bit of a pleasant surprise considering it feels like most AvP stories slant towards preds doing the butt kicking. I was a little confused on the panel with flamethrower predator getting killed, is the alien ripping his spine out through his neck?

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Let me know when it's over then.

Issue #2 is a step down in my humble opinion. The art is very nice, but the story is less than engaging. If you're going to be this flimsy, at least go all out Under Seige or Die Hard on a boat! 

To be honest, this 'Kids surviving Aliens & Predators' will be the AvP-Lite I'm expecting from Disney+ if my suspicions are true that they one day get their hands on AvP, less the human gore of issue #1 of course.

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Seeing the array Predator weapons was very cool.

The Xeno was waaaay overpowered. I'm fine with it winning, but it didn't even have a scratch on it after it enjoyed dismembering its latest Predator victim.  It's not like there was an element of surprise at play. Big eyeroll there.

When the android recoiled in pain from its connection to the Predator ship, I was honestly hoping the something more inside would have revealed itself to be biomechanical in nature, in the vein of the Lost Predator ship. No such luck. Maybe it will still reveal he's infected in some way. Guess we'll see.

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I would personally grade this issue a "C". Nothing special in my opinion, unfortunately.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 23, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
Issue #2 is a step down in my humble opinion. The art is very nice, but the story is less than engaging. If you're going to be this flimsy, at least go all out Under Seige or Die Hard on a boat! 

To be honest, this 'Kids surviving Aliens & Predators' will be the AvP-Lite I'm expecting from Disney+ if my suspicions are true that they one day get their hands on AvP, less the human gore of issue #1 of course.

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Seeing the array Predator weapons was very cool.

The Xeno was waaaay overpowered. I'm fine with it winning, but it didn't even have a scratch on it after it enjoyed dismembering its latest Predator victim.  It's not like there was an element of surprise at play. Big eyeroll there.

When the android recoiled in pain from its connection to the Predator ship, I was honestly hoping the something more inside would have revealed itself to be biomechanical in nature, in the vein of the Lost Predator ship. No such luck. Maybe it will still reveal he's infected in some way. Guess we'll see.

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I would personally grade this issue a "C". Nothing special in my opinion, unfortunately.

Oof.  This isn't totally outside the realm of possibility  :'(

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I'm kind of siding with 426Buddy on this one, it is kind of refreshing to see the Alien get some good action.  Predators are usually the ones doing the dominating, so I don't mind it.  Just this once. lol

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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 23, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
Issue #2 is a step down in my humble opinion. The art is very nice, but the story is less than engaging. If you're going to be this flimsy, at least go all out Under Seige or Die Hard on a boat! 

To be honest, this 'Kids surviving Aliens & Predators' will be the AvP-Lite I'm expecting from Disney+ if my suspicions are true that they one day get their hands on AvP, less the human gore of issue #1 of course.

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Seeing the array Predator weapons was very cool.

The Xeno was waaaay overpowered. I'm fine with it winning, but it didn't even have a scratch on it after it enjoyed dismembering its latest Predator victim.  It's not like there was an element of surprise at play. Big eyeroll there.

When the android recoiled in pain from its connection to the Predator ship, I was honestly hoping the something more inside would have revealed itself to be biomechanical in nature, in the vein of the Lost Predator ship. No such luck. Maybe it will still reveal he's infected in some way. Guess we'll see.

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I would personally grade this issue a "C". Nothing special in my opinion, unfortunately.

Oof.  This isn't totally outside the realm of possibility  :'(

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I'm kind of siding with 426Buddy on this one, it is kind of refreshing to see the Alien get some good action.  Predators are usually the ones doing the dominating, so I don't mind it.  Just this once. lol

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I'm all for...

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Alien dominance. Just show us how. Show us what happened after they squared off and how it ended up without a scratch and the armed Predator dismembered.  :)

Show us how this didn't happen:

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To be fair thats a clip from a film with the most incompetent aliens ever.

I get that, but that whip is still mighty deadly tho. And my issue was and is...

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#WithoutAScratch

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Its interesting that the whip seems to light up and electrify when used. Kinda weird since I thought it was made from an aliens tail.

I know it's a bit early with only two issues, but his is easily the best AVP comic we've had in ten years. I wasn't so sure last issue, but Wheatley is firing on all cylinders on the art, and it's nice to just have Aliens fighting Predators for a change. They need to get Wheatley on more art duties.

I'll wait until it's finished but I'm liking the look of it.

Trade is due out July 1st.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/2002/21/darkhorsemay.htm

An early Birthday present!

Yikes TFAW says issue three is now April 8th, I hope this series isn't going to see big delays like the AvPvJD series.

Huh.... :-\

I finally decided to take a look at this. Its a shame AVP is back with such a poor treatment for my predators. Better luck next time.

Indeed.

Solicit is out for issue 4 when I went looking for news on the book's delay.

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The action-packed finale! Maria and the Predator make their final, harrowing stand against the Alien. But in a pact with the Predator, safety is never guaranteed.

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My take;

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The Predator is missing an arm and a leg and unless it regrows it or attaches a replacement, what does she have to worry about from a creature that can't even stand? Also, Darkhorse's own website spoils issue 3 so thanks for that. In a book that has killed or mutilated every Predator seen so far, if the Predator even beats the Alien I'm expecting the girl to just gun it down.

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Outside of spoilers, anybody feel like this just wasted its own setting? The Predator on the holo-deck is a fun idea and the setup of the kid-bot being into some sort of spaceman thing would be kind of fun to see realized as the kids fight back. But instead they've been running through corridors because they happened to fly through Predator territory and the Predators happened to have an Alien break free. I feel like there's just far more potential to be seen here.

I hear the Predator side's getting diced regularly, makes a change from the Alien side being diced regularly.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 02, 2020, 09:26:06 PM
Outside of spoilers, anybody feel like this just wasted its own setting? The Predator on the holo-deck is a fun idea and the setup of the kid-bot being into some sort of spaceman thing would be kind of fun to see realized as the kids fight back. But instead they've been running through corridors because they happened to fly through Predator territory and the Predators happened to have an Alien break free. I feel like there's just far more potential to be seen here.

Yeah I do. I've personally found it a underwhelming story, with so many missed opportunities involving not just its setting, but the dynamics of having an artificial child/sibling. It's been rather a disposable experience so far (unfortunately).

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 03, 2020, 12:44:20 AM
I hear the Predator side's getting diced regularly, makes a change from the Alien side being diced regularly.

It's hugely f**king refreshing. Thing is they've been going out rather memorably and brutally which I'm enjoying too.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2020, 09:22:56 AM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 03, 2020, 12:44:20 AM
I hear the Predator side's getting diced regularly, makes a change from the Alien side being diced regularly.

It's hugely f**king refreshing. Thing is they've been going out rather memorably and brutally which I'm enjoying too.

Refreshing in a general sense but poorly constructed. Show us how.

We're going from this:

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to this:

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Clearly the Alien is at a disadvantage here without the element of surprise, so show us how it won!  It's titled AvP!  :)

It reminds me of Godzilla 2014, where the two monsters begin to collide in battle only for the film to immediately cut to the aftermath - and to news reports letting the audience know 'Boy did you miss an awesome battle!' :P

Okay, rant over. ;D

It's pointless if it's no good.

Yeah, still not bothering me. The alien has lots of tools to kill a predator. Would it have been better to see some action? Sure, but it doesnt really bother me.

Whaaaaaaaaaat? An Alien getting a victory over a Predator in an Alien vs Predator story? Apparently the writers didn't get the memo that the Aliens' only purpose in AVP is to die by the thousands as the predator stands over a pile of their mutilated bodies while striking a cool pose.

Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Mar 06, 2020, 04:57:55 AM
Whaaaaaaaaaat? An Alien getting a victory over a Predator in an Alien vs Predator story? Apparently the writers didn't get the memo that the Aliens' only purpose in AVP is to die by the thousands as the predator stands over a pile of their mutilated bodies while striking a cool pose.

Yeeeeeeeehawwwww!!!!



;D

It's happened both ways.

I guess, if you're an Alien's fan and see xenomorph take down Predator you're pleased but if you're Predator's one you pissed off.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 12, 2020, 05:57:17 AM
I guess, if you're an Alien's fan and see xenomorph take down Predator you're pleased but if you're Predator's one you pissed off.

I like Alien and I don't mind when the Xeno gets the better of a Predator. The only time it bothered me is when Grid killed Celtic and Gill. Celtic took a dumb amount of time with a human and didn't hear the fight behind him. He only took notice when Gill got impaled.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 29, 2020, 06:21:22 PM
Yikes TFAW says issue three is now April 8th, I hope this series isn't going to see big delays like the AvPvJD series.

Now its April 22nd for issue #3  :-\

https://www.tfaw.com/alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood-3.html

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 14, 2020, 08:28:14 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 29, 2020, 06:21:22 PM
Yikes TFAW says issue three is now April 8th, I hope this series isn't going to see big delays like the AvPvJD series.

Now its April 22nd for issue #3  :-\

https://www.tfaw.com/alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood-3.html

Lame.  :-\

May 6th for #3 now. #4 is June 3rd.

Thats unfortunate... some new comics would have been a nice distraction right about now.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2020, 03:36:13 PM
May 6th for #3 now. #4 is June 3rd.

That's if we are lucky.

Diamond, the distributer for comics, is not shipping anything for the foreseeable future due to Coronavirus disruption.  In turn Dark Horse has announced that it will not release the digital equivalents until Diamond is back up and running.

Anyone know when the next issue might get a release?

Hunters III too, wondering when we will see these series resume.

An update from Dark Horse Comics website.

They removed pre-orders for following issues but its TPB edition is still available for pre-order with October 07, 2020 release date.

Is #3 ever going to come out?

This feels like the one year wait for the final issue of AvPvDredd

Quote from: happypred on Jul 08, 2020, 07:02:51 AM
Is #3 ever going to come out?

This feels like the one year wait for the final issue of AvPvDredd

It's unknown at this point whether or not the series will even get finished.

Individual issues?



:'(

I see a Nov. release of the TPB, but #3 and #4 are nowhere to be seen. Maybe we'll just be getting the TPB in Nov.? Don't mind that actually.

https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/thicker+than+blood

That's what happening. Just the trade now.

So is this the last AvP comic from Dark Horse before Marvel's run?

That's correct

I wish the setup was more interesting but so far the art is really good and has some nice alien/predator action and gore.

Sucks they couldnt at least finish these series

At least we are still getting the TPB though.  :-[

The TPB release is now listed as december 1 in amazon.

Still November 4th on Dark Horse's website. They've not got a lot of time to mess around with release dates here...

Long time lurker, first time poster. Just wanted to throw my two cents in on AVP: Thicker Than Blood. I am also really bummed that issues #3 and #4 were cancelled, as well as Predator: Hunters III issue #3 and #4. I picked up the first three issues Alien: the Original Screen play, and on the cover of issue #1 and #2, there's a little note on there that says "Our comback will be bigger than our setback!" Too bad those missing issues weren't part of that comeback. I'll probably pick up the trades when they come out, but my OCD comic collecting personality will still want those missing issues!

It honestly didn't change much for me, since here in Brazil I can't buy the individual issues, only the TPB. But I totally understand why people who can buy the single issues are upset. It sucks, but at least we're still getting the comic.

By the way, today is November 4th, did it get released somewhere?
Amazon still list it as Decembert 1st.

Looks like it's now November 25th according to Comixology.

They could so easily have released issues #3 and #4

especially if they carried on with Alien: The Original Screenplay



but thats just me....i like logical solutions lol

I think there's some reality problems here in terms of printer time, especially after the COVID shut down.

Yeah true. probably meant they had to focus on something

Getting the Screenplay out, I think. Alien 3's was their best selling Alien title for a while. I'm betting they were banking on going out with those kind of sales.

Yeah end on a single High rather than a triple threat

Finally my local comic shop had the TPB of this (although they didn't have Hunters 3  >:( ) I very much enjoyed it! Nice self contained story with absolutely amazing artwork! It's certainly a solid story for Dark Horse to conclude its AVP run with.

Good to hear it! Hunters 3 wasn't the finale I was expecting for Predator, so I hope this one is good.

I f**king loved this story. I think I was going "Oh, damn" like every 5 pages or so!  :laugh: The artwork was fantastic. Doug Wheatley was such a treat to go out on, and Rain Beredo's colouring complimented him really nicely. I really love Rain's colour work - on this and Dust to Dust.

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This series was just so f**king brutal. So brutal. And so satisfying. To see the Predators massacre like that, to see the Elder take the pounding he did and continue onwards. I loved that it wasn't a traditional hunt either, but a border conflict where the rules weren't in play. And as an Alien fan, to see the Alien actually portrayed as being worthy of being considered the Ultimate Prey was soooo satisfying.

I was a little dubious of the main characters being children, but I think it worked. The child synthetic was genuinely interesting to me. A young mentality trapped within, facing his own "mortality" and obsoletion when he was supposed to be part of the family. I wasn't too sure on the team-up either (when am I ever) but it worked enough for me.

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Really looking forward to reading this one through again.

I just got the trade paperback in the mail today, I'm probably going to read through it in the next day or two.

Just finished the digital copy, loved it.

Any extras in the Trade ?

Just finished it. I picked up where I left off with the singles like Hunters so I kind of breezed through it. It started off a bit lacking but overall I think it nailed the landing. That was a solid ending for the book. If and when we get the inevitable AVP reboot out of Disney I hope they draw from this.

I got the paperback and I didn't see any extras. If this has any it might be in a hardcover.

Good stuff. And a damn good book to finish Dark Horse's run with the series...

End of an era..  :'(

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2020, 09:59:05 AM
I f**king loved this story. I think I was going "Oh, damn" like every 5 pages or so!  :laugh: The artwork was fantastic. Doug Wheatley was such a treat to go out on, and Rain Beredo's colouring complimented him really nicely. I really love Rain's colour work - on this and Dust to Dust.

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This series was just so f**king brutal. So brutal. And so satisfying. To see the Predators massacre like that, to see the Elder take the pounding he did and continue onwards. I loved that it wasn't a traditional hunt either, but a border conflict where the rules weren't in play. And as an Alien fan, to see the Alien actually portrayed as being worthy of being considered the Ultimate Prey was soooo satisfying.

I was a little dubious of the main characters being children, but I think it worked. The child synthetic was genuinely interesting to me. A young mentality trapped within, facing his own "mortality" and obsoletion when he was supposed to be part of the family. I wasn't too sure on the team-up either (when am I ever) but it worked enough for me.

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Really looking forward to reading this one through again.

Finished this finally tonight. And I agree with most of what you said Aaron.

Doug's artwork and also Rain Beredo's colours were amazing. The rendering of the Xeno was perfect and really nailed the sinister creepiness of it all.

My only gripe was it did move along at a breathtaking pace at times. Perhaps not a gripe rather it was a rollercoaster from the first page to the last.

I have to say. Other than the original AVP and possibly Eternal, this has got to be the best AVP comic we have had.

What do you all think ?

Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 08, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
I have to say. Other than the original AVP and possibly Eternal, this has got to be the best AVP comic we have had.

I feel like Local's vote would be for DotS

Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 08, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
I have to say. Other than the original AVP and possibly Eternal, this has got to be the best AVP comic we have had.

What do you all think ?

Eternal is a great Predator story, but it's a bad AvP story. The Aliens are totally inconsequential to the plot, you could remove them entirely and nothing would change.

This is like Eternal (and AvP 2004) in that Alien fans will be grateful for how the alien is portrayed in combat. Also like Eternal, the art is this comic's strength.

Other than that, thought this was OK, not incredible.

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I note that the elder seems to have graduated from the Broken Tusk school of Yautja-Human relations. Probably the most sympathetic predator we've seen so far...though he does get himself maimed in a silly way to serve the plot

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Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 09, 2020, 07:23:22 PM

Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 08, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
I have to say. Other than the original AVP and possibly Eternal, this has got to be the best AVP comic we have had.

What do you all think ?

Eternal is a great Predator story, but it's a bad AvP story. The Aliens are totally inconsequential to the plot, you could remove them entirely and nothing would change.

So what's the top three AVP Graphic Novels in your opinion ranked?

Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 08, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
I have to say. Other than the original AVP and possibly Eternal, this has got to be the best AVP comic we have had.

What do you all think ?

For a four issue series yes I agree that it's the best since the original. Best art for sure! I do really like Duel (2 issue series) and The Web (2 parter from DHP) but those are shorter stories so it's harder to directly compare. The whole eating a Predator heart gives you 200 years of life used to kill Eternal for me but I've slowly come around to being okay with it (really using it for Dutch in Hunting Grounds alongside reverse engineering the Pred's medkit made it more plausible for me).

I find Thicker than Blood to be surprisingly sweet and charming story

Our interview with Jeremy is now up! :) https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/01/23/family-problems-an-interview-with-thicker-than-blood-writer-jeremy-barlow-avp-galaxy-podcast-122/

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And another great podcast! I need to start learning from you guys how to conduct nice flowing interviews.

I instantly went and bought the comic book. Can't wait to dig in!

Great podcast; I really need to go back and re-read this now!

RidgeTop you mention Dark Horse's more out-of-the-ordinary graphic novels, as someone just getting into the comics, would it be possible to list a few as would be keen to get them?

Great podcast again guys! You spoil us :D

I had my misgivings about the setup and not seeing the demise of whip predator, but this is a d*mn good AvP story. It's a worthy story for DH to end on, definitely a high note.

I had it in my top five AVP comics but after listening to the podcast and giving it another read, I would nudge it into my top 3.

Great podcast gentlemen!  Fun and informative. Good stuff.  I wish I loved the book as much as you both!

Kind of weird to say but I'm glad my dislike of the first half was actually intentional by the writer. The second half really does bring it all together.

It's cool the whip came back even if it was in a sort of roundabout way. Likely the artists decision to base it on the Requiem whip since that has available reference material Fox would already approve. Shame we don't see that thing more often. I'm not expecting it show up in Hunting Grounds but I'm kind of surprised I don't see it more in comics.

I have to say though that as interesting as that dynamic is for the Predators and how it relates to the kids, it doesn't really come out in the story. Sure they only had so much time to do it but that seems like crucial information that would've benefitted the story. It's something cool to look back on the story in hindsight but I shouldn't have to listen to a pod cast in order to get what a character's deal is. I'm not saying Jeremy Barlow should've shoved it in, I'm saying Thicker Than Blood needed an extra issue to help convey that and I pin the blame on Darkhorse for that. It works fine without it but that's such an interesting detail I'd have liked it actually getting the time to be explored. That all being said TTB is one of the best AVP stories I've read so if Marvel ever gets around to reprinting it I would love to see them do something like a "directors cut" where Jeremy can add that back in.

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I have to say though that as interesting as that dynamic is for the Predators and how it relates to the kids, it doesn't really come out in the story. Sure they only had so much time to do it but that seems like crucial information that would've benefitted the story. It's something cool to look back on the story in hindsight but I shouldn't have to listen to a pod cast in order to get what a character's deal is.

I do believe if Barlow eliminated some inconsequential portions like Denver and his bird and explained the Predator family dynamic, all playing off the Thicker than Blood angle in a human and Predator aspects, it could have been wonderful. Instead, any indication of the Predators relation to each other is non existent, and there's no clue to indicate we were witnessing a Predator father and two sons. Heck, the one flame throwing the Xeno came across as the elder to me because he had the battle scars and busted mandibles. Like Wolf, he looked like he's been going at it for a long time...

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 24, 2021, 04:11:34 PM
I do believe if Barlow eliminated some inconsequential portions like Denver and his bird ...

Have to agree here. That character was kinda pointless

Cheers to Hicks and Ridgetop! Excellent interview with Jeremy Barlow. I appreciate Mr Barlow's candor and was amused with his writer advice (Marry up!)  :o ;D

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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 24, 2021, 04:11:34 PM
I do believe if Barlow eliminated some inconsequential portions like Denver and his bird ...

Have to agree here. That character was kinda pointless

Yep, and the Predators were handled character-wise really badly here too in my eyes / my humble opinion, but... although I wouldn't pick a 15 year old girl and an 8 year old android as my lead protagonists unless I was writing an AvP series for Disney+  :), Maria and Tyler's brother & sister dynamic and the way they interacted together was really well done by Barlow. It definitely felt authentic to me. 👏

Great Podcast and interview guys.

This story is now my second fav AVP behind the original.

Was also real cool to hear one of my comments get a mention here. Lol.

Quote from: Shamo on Jan 23, 2021, 11:49:16 PM
And another great podcast! I need to start learning from you guys how to conduct nice flowing interviews.

It's called anal editing.  ;D But seriously, it helps when the guests are as into it as we are! Jeremy was great to chat to. And we never expected the level of background that Jeremy revealed in this one.

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Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jan 24, 2021, 04:47:49 PM
Cheers to Hicks and Ridgetop! Excellent interview with Jeremy Barlow. I appreciate Mr Barlow's candor and was amused with his writer advice (Marry up!)  :o ;D

I suppose "win the lottery" is another viable out.  :laugh:

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I'm glad everyone is enjoying this.  :)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2021, 08:36:55 AM

It's called anal editing.  ;D But seriously, it helps when the guests are as into it as we are! Jeremy was great to chat to. And we never expected the level of background that Jeremy revealed in this one.

It's a damn shame that we didn't get all the background detailed in a some extras for the trade. Damn shame.

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 27, 2021, 11:08:32 AM
It's a damn shame that we didn't get all the background detailed in a some extras for the trade. Damn shame.

Thinking of the poster on the wall, George Miller did that for Mad Max Fury Road. Maybe that's where Barlow learned it. The characters, even the cars had backstories, some that were adapted into great comics. But the rub is we weren't missing anything in Fury Road for a viewer to not understand its core characters like the Predators. Instead I was left confused by their actions/motivations. If Barlow can tighten his writing akin to Miller's, his stuff could be top shelf to me!  :)

Completely disagree there. The comic didn't miss for not having the backstory. It would have been nice, it would have strengthened the thematic core, but it didn't cause any confusion for me. But you can hear us all argue the f**k with each other in the next episode of the podcast!  ;D

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2021, 02:20:46 PM
But you can hear us all argue the f**k with each other in the next episode of the podcast!  ;D

:laugh:

I prefer to call it a spirited debate!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 27, 2021, 02:02:09 PM

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 27, 2021, 11:08:32 AM
It's a damn shame that we didn't get all the background detailed in a some extras for the trade. Damn shame.

Thinking of the poster on the wall, George Miller did that for Mad Max Fury Road. Maybe that's where Barlow learned it. The characters, even the cars had backstories, some that were adapted into great comics. But the rub is we weren't missing anything in Fury Road for a viewer to not understand its core characters like the Predators. Instead I was left confused by their actions/motivations. If Barlow can tighten his writing akin to Miller's, his stuff could be top shelf to me!  :)

I can't say I needed the backstory in there. Not to say I wouldn't like it there.

But an essay from Barlow, detailing his ideas and stories would have been a great bit of bonus material.

I honestly don't think, in the comic itself, we need to understand the Predators. I really enjoyed wondering what they were up to with the Xeno and their behaviour.

Didn't one of the old Dark Horse Aliens short stories get a text-only prequel in a random preview magazine? They could've done something similar here.

Or just make an intro page of it in a reprint!

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 27, 2021, 02:54:17 PM
I honestly don't think, in the comic itself, we need to understand the Predators. I really enjoyed wondering what they were up to with the Xeno and their behaviour.

And perhaps that might be the teeter point for where one might feel. What people get stuck on or waive by.

Spoiler

For me, when the normally sports hunting coded nomadic Predator behavior is so odd to begin with... killing men, women and children because a cruise ship crossed an imaginary Romulan line in space.. to a Predator trying to kill kids, loses his limbs in a tourist elevator doing so, is attempted to be drowned by same kids, then makes friends with the trespassers, then saves kids and lays down a comatose body of one, only to almost suck the comatose kid body into space five seconds later, the very thing it just saved... for me it was a wtf did I just read?  I know Harrigan had 30 seconds to get off that Lost Predator Ship but he just killed one of their own Predators and he's not a comatose android child that was just saved.  But alas, that's just where I was coming from, things I had trouble getting past.  :)

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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 27, 2021, 03:25:29 PM
Or just make an intro page of it in a reprint!

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 27, 2021, 02:54:17 PM
I honestly don't think, in the comic itself, we need to understand the Predators. I really enjoyed wondering what they were up to with the Xeno and their behaviour.

And perhaps that might be the teeter point for where one might feel. What people get stuck on or waive by.

Spoiler

For me, when the normally sports hunting coded nomadic Predator behavior is so odd to begin with... killing men, women and children because a cruise ship crossed an imaginary Romulan line in space.. to a Predator trying to kill kids, loses his limbs in a tourist elevator doing so, is attempted to be drowned by same kids, then makes friends with the trespassers, then saves kids and lays down a comatose body of one, only to almost suck the comatose kid body into space five seconds later, the very thing it just saved... for me it was a wtf did I just read?  I know Harrigan had 30 seconds to get off that Lost Predator Ship but he just killed one of their own Predators and he's not a comatose android child that was just saved.  But alas, that's just where I was coming from, things I had trouble getting past.  :)

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I can see why you struggle with that.

My thinking on that is that it can be argued that we know very little about Predator culture, races, habits and so on. So this differing behaviour and agenda is fascinating to me. It add mystery to them and makes them, for want or a better word, alien.  These guys seem more unique.

And I love it because it fits the interpretation of them that I love of them being largely sadistic mofos who enjoy a good kill. Removed of the rules of the game, removed of their equivalent of civility and respect and it coming down to "get off my lawn" where they just go nuts, I absolutely love it.

Honestly, I'd love to see more of the Predators outside of the hunt. I want to see more straight military action. It's why War #0 and The Rage War have a big appeal to me. It's nice to see divergent behavior, a reason a lot of us are probably super into the Bad Bloods for.

It's just great to get variety. 

Man I F'ing loved this comic.

Cool episode, I don't ever really see that series when I'm looking through the comics, I'll definitely keep my eyes peeled next time

Spoiler alert for Adam; corporal Hicks shows up in Mandalorian.

I also recently realized that Michael Biehn was in the video game command and conquered Tiberian sun, which blew my mind because I used to play that game all the time as a kid and I never realized he was in it

Fantastic interview fellas! Such a fun listen and I loved hearing all the extra backstory as well as learning how Barlow approaches script writing in comic form. Really looking forward to giving this a another read now!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 27, 2021, 02:39:07 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2021, 02:20:46 PM
But you can hear us all argue the f**k with each other in the next episode of the podcast!  ;D

:laugh:

I prefer to call it a spirited debate!

Sounds like it will be fun to hear!  :laugh:

Went to buy this from Amazon the other day - no Kindle version.  >:(

And doesn't appear to be available electronically via the Marvel site.

Are any other series available digitally from them yet? Might they be holding them back until they do the physical collections?

It would seem a solid strategy!

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 27, 2021, 03:50:29 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 27, 2021, 03:25:29 PM
Or just make an intro page of it in a reprint!

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 27, 2021, 02:54:17 PM
I honestly don't think, in the comic itself, we need to understand the Predators. I really enjoyed wondering what they were up to with the Xeno and their behaviour.

And perhaps that might be the teeter point for where one might feel. What people get stuck on or waive by.

Spoiler

For me, when the normally sports hunting coded nomadic Predator behavior is so odd to begin with... killing men, women and children because a cruise ship crossed an imaginary Romulan line in space.. to a Predator trying to kill kids, loses his limbs in a tourist elevator doing so, is attempted to be drowned by same kids, then makes friends with the trespassers, then saves kids and lays down a comatose body of one, only to almost suck the comatose kid body into space five seconds later, the very thing it just saved... for me it was a wtf did I just read?  I know Harrigan had 30 seconds to get off that Lost Predator Ship but he just killed one of their own Predators and he's not a comatose android child that was just saved.  But alas, that's just where I was coming from, things I had trouble getting past.  :)

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I can see why you struggle with that.

My thinking on that is that it can be argued that we know very little about Predator culture, races, habits and so on. So this differing behaviour and agenda is fascinating to me. It add mystery to them and makes them, for want or a better word, alien.  These guys seem more unique.

So the idea would be we have honor coded Predators, Bad Bloods and Territorial Predators... the latter being perhaps reclusive clans that will kill everything alive that invade their space. I can roll with that I think, and could really appreciate it if fleshed out well. Indeed! :)

But in this book to me Barlow was all over the place. They were like bad bloods, until they're not. They're territorial, until they're not. Instead of just shooting the ship, they board, kill men, women and children, string them up in hunting practices. Wait, was this over territory or a hunt? But once we lose a couple limbs, Pred and invader kids are besties now, even holding Maria back from danger.

Barlow mentioned there was some sort of redemption arc for the Elder? I couldn't find it in the book I read. He stated the Predators reasons for boarding was mechanical versus organic, etc., and with these Predator motivations, it definitely shows to me. *sigh* However, the Predator artwork? I found it so, so gorgeous!  So it's a mixed bag for me on that front. Happy you enjoyed it though!  :)

There will be no Digital versions until Marvel get around to releasing.

All Alien and Predator digital comic material has been pulled from comixology, which is an Amazon company. As such, there shouldn't be any for kindle.

After hearing the podcast I tried to find them on line but I can only find issues 1 and 2 for sale.  There is a 96 page "paperback" version, is that all 4 issues together?

Quote from: TStyx on Jan 28, 2021, 02:47:03 PM
After hearing the podcast I tried to find them on line but I can only find issues 1 and 2 for sale.  There is a 96 page "paperback" version, is that all 4 issues together?

Yep!  Because of covid19 they didn't release all the individual issues, but the 96 page trade paperback is the whole story, missing issues and all!

Ah right that would explain it, thanks for the info.

Say I wanted AVP the OG series, eternal and this- what's the best way to get them?

Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 01, 2021, 03:27:23 PM
Say I wanted AVP the OG series, eternal and this- what's the best way to get them?

Comixology, Amazon, your LCS, local book stores if they have them in stock. Don't know if you could find it at your LCS but I've been fortunate to have found old single issues of the original series so long as the shop has a back issue section.

Maybe I should be more specific, I mean physically.

What's the best way to own them?

Like for example, the best version of Dead Orbit's the oversized edition.

I think you'll struggle to find any fancy pant editions of the OG. I think they did one or two of them. No fancy pants for Eternal or TTB though.

Okay just Trade paperbacks then.

Thank you.

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 28, 2021, 02:03:54 PM
There will be no Digital versions until Marvel get around to releasing.

All Alien and Predator digital comic material has been pulled from comixology, which is an Amazon company. As such, there shouldn't be any for kindle.

But the electronic versions of any book on Amazon is Kindle...?

Quote from: SM on Feb 01, 2021, 09:53:18 PM

Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 28, 2021, 02:03:54 PM
There will be no Digital versions until Marvel get around to releasing.

All Alien and Predator digital comic material has been pulled from comixology, which is an Amazon company. As such, there shouldn't be any for kindle.

But the electronic versions of any book on Amazon is Kindle...?

The Kindle and Comixology app's can be used to read digital comics purchased through Amazon. A majority anyway.

Don't think you can use the Kindle app to read comics purchased on The Comixology site though.

Ah right.

Just looked up a Marvel trade on Amazon and it has a price for "Kindle and comiXology", so perhaps DH Aliens comic will end up back on Amazon at some point.

Quote from: SM on Feb 03, 2021, 05:10:31 AM
Ah right.

Just looked up a Marvel trade on Amazon and it has a price for "Kindle and comiXology", so perhaps DH Aliens comic will end up back on Amazon at some point.

As soon as marvel re release them in their own formats, you can be sure that they will be on Amazon and comixology.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CLDAXuHhXdw/?igshid=km4fptrz01xw

Gosh that's really gorgeous.

Fantastic

Doug Wheatley is next level

He really is.

He's that awesome that his second name reminds me of Portal 2

Podcast review is up!

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/02/12/the-final-conflict-reviewing-alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood-avp-galaxy-podcast-123/

I laugh everytime Corporal Hicks says "How VERY dare you" haha

Looking forward to listening.

Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 12, 2021, 08:21:31 PM
I laugh everytime Corporal Hicks says "How VERY dare you" haha

That's the best podcast recommendation I've heard in a long time  ;D

Did I actually say that? I genuinely don't remember.  :-X

I bet you were drinking a cup of tea with your pinkie sticking out while you said it, too.

God, Voodoo does love "And I'm not the only one who says that" argument

Quote from: Kradan on Feb 13, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
God, Voodoo does love "And I'm not the only one who says that" argument

I'm making up t-shirts if ya want one!  ;D

Little over halfway through and really enjoying. It's a good back and forth and the 2 vs 2 dynamic really works in the favor of the discussion.

One thing I can say is that I have agreed with everyone's review to some extent. Everyone's review has valid points and this story feels like a love it or hate it kinda thing.

Personally I would give the comic an 8/10 but totally get many of Voodoo's issues.

Can't wait to finish tonight!

All of the above, really

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2021, 12:16:25 PM
I bet you were drinking a cup of tea with your pinkie sticking out while you said it, too.

It does seem like an excessively English thing to say.

Ok, I've listened whole review through.

First of all, that was definetly one of the most fun episodes in the recent time. Even though I groan each time Voodoo brings up ADI or The Predator - this episode really convinced me it was a good idea to bring him on the show 'cause it really lacked some hardcore Predator love and Voodoo derinetly has that as well as an unique perspective. That was such a fun debate to listen. Corporal even got mad a few times (that "Rrraaaarrr" when RidgeTop mentioned The Predator was brilliant lol).

Secondly, I liked the comic - I didn't necessarily love it. 7 out of 10 from me. It doesn't mean comic wasn't a great read - it just didn't resonate with as much. But it certainly was something (for better or for worse) different for an AvP story, that's for sure. I found this story to be surprisingly heart-warming and charming.

Like 426Buddy, I can undestand each of the guys' perspectives but I'm certainly more in Hicks/RidgeTop camp than Xenomorphine/Voodoo. I disagree with Xenomorphine's view of Maria - yes, she was oftenly cruel towards her synth brother - emotionally as well as physically - but it didn't make her psychotic in my eyes, especially when I remember how I sometimes treated my younger brother (thinking of which fills me wirh shame). Maybe, I'm a psychotic myself - I hope not. And that moment when Maria hugs him - it felt SO good. Kinda makes me wonder: did Xenomorphine had any brothers or sisters growing up ? He was awfully quiet about that. Also, what's that "Real robot wouldn't do that and that and that" ? i mean, really ? Can't suspend your disbelief a bit more ? In a AvP story ? Geez


On team-up matter - I buy it. That Pred had two of his limbs missing and needed some help even if it's coming from two kids. About them electroshocking and drowning him - I think Maria managed to get through language barrier there. That Pred indeed killed their parents and he understood her anger and frustration about it. For me it showed some amount of human psychology understanding in that Pred which elevated him from just human killing monster. And when near the end he just dropped Tyler's body and immediately proceded to take off -I bought that too. There's a panel with Pred's face close-up when he says "Call it good" for the second time. And that vicious face with blood-like red eyes was telling "We-re not friends - you helped me,I helped you - end of story". For me, it wasn't so much him trying to kill the kids but more like letting them know that from that point on their survival depends on them alone and he doesn't care about it anymore.

Voodoo's thoughts and perspectice on the comic really makes me think that whether you're an Alien fan or a Predator fan really matters reading that comic.Not that it's a bad thing, I just think it can really influence one's opinion and enjoyment with Thicker Than Blood. As with any AvP story, I guess - it comes down to who you root for- Alien or Predator. I agree that father-sons dynamic wasn't present in actual comic at all - it didn't spoil my opinion on these Preds though. I just thought of them as hunting trio and it worked for me as such. I can see Voodoo having an issue with how Preds attacked innocent people but for me explanation that was presented in the comic was enough. Also, does honour code apply to hunts only or for everything Preds do - 'cause that wasn't a hunt situation really ? Also, I'm not sure they intended to kill everybody on that ship -maybe they would kill some of the people to show they mean bussines as in "Don't you f**king dare crossing our territory again or else". For me it doesn't contradict Preds' tribal, almost savage nature. Of course, that's me nerding out but hey - when I can do it to make a story work better - I'm gonna do it. And I don't think that Preds were portrayed as weak - that final Half Of A Pred gave damn good fight. I agree with Hicks that moment with whip and hand removal was so brutal and satisfying. And I really liked that Alien torturing Pred with it's hand and being sadistic - it shows that there's some kind of inteligence behind that dome too.

Oh, and artwork was indeed gorgeous. I mean, what can I say about it that you guys haven't said already? That Alien certainly looked beautiful as f**k. So were the Predators. And I dug how Maria and Tyler looked

And I buy RidgeTop's justification for the man with a parrot inclusion in the story

Anyway, that was a good read - and a great listen

Fantastic podcast guys. You all are so good that one doesn't know with whom to agree  :laugh:

Keep it up with the quality criticism!

Thanks for the positive feedback guys! Much appreciated!

Yes very good stuff.

I'd love to see you do some commentating on older videogames Voodoo, I'd love you to be a part of the eventual Concrete Jungle LP for example.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 14, 2021, 03:52:55 PM
Yes very good stuff.

I'd love to see you do some commentating on older videogames Voodoo, I'd love you to be a part of the eventual Concrete Jungle LP for example.

I definitely think a retrospective podcast review might be fun one day! :)

Great podcast guys.

Really enjoyed the debate.

I am firmly on the side that Hicks and Ridge are on.  Thicker than Blood is No. 2 after the original series, for me.

On the original series. Hicks mentions Monica's water colour art from the original issues that were published. I read those last week and man.... I'm never reading the Trade again. I forgot how superior that colouring is.  There is Ron Cobb quality to the overall look.

I was doing a page by page comparison and it is night and day. The recolour is terrible.  I would love a modern recolour but...... I think a remaster of the original water colours would be better.   

Great podcast guys! Looking forward to the next one. The Predators were going down to easy for me in the story but Doug Wheatley's art never disappoints. He's definitely one of the best to tackle the universe. I also highly recommend his Star Wars Dark Times Run if anyone's interested.

Voodoo keep fighting the good Fight!
We need to demand better Predators!

Quote from: Kradan on Feb 14, 2021, 12:01:07 AM
I disagree with Xenomorphine's view of Maria - yes, she was oftenly cruel towards her synth brother - emotionally as well as physically - but it didn't make her psychotic in my eyes, especially when I remember how I sometimes treated my younger brother (thinking of which fills me wirh shame). Maybe, I'm a psychotic myself - I hope not. And that moment when Maria hugs him - it felt SO good. Kinda makes me wonder: did Xenomorphine had any brothers or sisters growing up ? He was awfully quiet about that.

No, never had any siblings. But when I say psychotic, there were two or three panels where her expressions and violence honestly just struck me as far too over the top. I just feel that if it had been an adult character acting in that same way, many would be aghast at it implying abusive parenting, IMO.

All we can do, when undertaking a review, is to give personal impressions and, clearly, the other three didn't feel the same way as me. :laugh:

QuoteAlso, what's that "Real robot wouldn't do that and that and that" ? i mean, really ? Can't suspend your disbelief a bit more ? In a AvP story ? Geez

In a superhero-type thing, sure! 'Alien' and 'Predator' were always rooted in a more realistic precedent, though (at least, when they started). So, I keep that standard in mind for stories which are set within those continuities.

It's why many dislike 'Resurrection': It's regarded as superficial/cartoonish in comparison to the three films which came before it. It still has entertainment value and some nice dramatic moments, but that cartoonish/unrealistic vibe still needs to be acknowledged and won't be for everybody. For many, that ruins the whole film. Others don't mind, but would still prefer it wasn't there, given the choice. For a minority, it even contributes to what they love about it.

Admittedly, this is always going to be a personal bias thing for me, because AI was something I studied in college and my interest in it has kept with me. :) Aircraft mechanics/pilots feel the same about films with warplanes in them!

Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Feb 15, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
Voodoo keep fighting the good Fight!
We need to demand better Predators!

Make Predators Great, Again! :laugh:

You mustn't be keen on the way Ridley's view on synthetics has taken centre stage then with Ash and David, and the more robotic type has taken a back seat.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 15, 2021, 07:21:32 PM
You mustn't be keen on the way Ridley's view on synthetics has taken centre stage then with Ash and David, and the more robotic type has taken a back seat.

Haven't you listened to podcast review of Covenant they did back in 2017 ?  Still my favourite episode, btw

I did, I remember a considerable back and forth but not the actual specifics.

Well, that was the first time I've discovered Xenomorphine is a member of "What real robot should do " cult

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I was flipping through the comic again and there's a moment that genuinely makes me chuckle and kinda adds up to Xenomorphine's theory that Maria is a psychopat: right after confessing that she loves her brother the very next thing Maria says is that they need to find something sharp to cut off Predator's hand. With a happy smile on her face  :D

I enjoyed the discussion. Great job everyone! I like how the left side and right side of the screen became like tag teams. Glad to see Hicks enjoyed his holiday swag.  ;D The artwork I've seen from the comics looks quite good. I haven't read it yet. I probably will at some point.

I don't recall the Covenant review podcast. I might have listened already, but that was a while ago. I'll have to look it up.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 15, 2021, 07:03:23 PM

Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Feb 15, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
Voodoo keep fighting the good Fight!
We need to demand better Predators!

Make Predators Great, Again! :laugh:

:laugh:

I'll start making the hats, let's try and distance ourselves from the red. Hahaha

I'll have that "distance ourselves from the red" reported to.my leaders ASAP

Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 15, 2021, 07:21:32 PM
You mustn't be keen on the way Ridley's view on synthetics has taken centre stage then with Ash and David, and the more robotic type has taken a back seat.

David 8? No.

Walter 1? Yes!

Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 08:41:20 PM
I was flipping through the comic again and there's a moment that genuinely makes me chuckle and kinda adds up to Xenomorphine's theory that Maria is a psychopat: right after confessing that she loves her brother the very next thing Maria says is that they need to find something sharp to cut off Predator's hand. With a happy smile on her face :D

Yeeeeeeeah...

To quote myself I'm happy with each because:

Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 04:34:06 PM
We see David's birth in the presence of Peter Weyland with him already being aware of everything, as we see with him playing piano immediately, anemic without the orchestra. We learn that the Alien's in fact a form of artificial intelligence born from the Pathogen, an artificial intelligence itself, shaped by man's perfect artificial intelligence.

The reason it's intelligence goes beyond that of the expected being that, it's not an animal or human in the sense we define them, it's the newest part of the lineage of man creating man over and over. Engineers humans, humans Engineers, in macro and micro.

David creates the Alien in his own image, it is the conclusion of his life perspective, so to him the perfect being's both sapient and sentient but with all but necessity itself taken away. For all our successes the biological lineage of creation itself's a failure, it's not just Alien to us, it is Alien to life itself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-QCDyL2q4

I think the contrast makes the Alien franchise more interesting, since it's inception with Ash's behaviour, Marcus being my favourite so far.

Listening to the podcast now and Xenomorphine and Voodoo keep getting caught up on Denver and his bird serving no purpose but the purpose was that Denver offers up a plan regarding explosives which the kids decide to pursue; also the bird distracts the alien allowing Tyler to sneak past it. Purpose served.

Still listening but Voodoo sure is in full on #whinge mode on this one lol

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Just finished listening and Hicks had mentioned Wheatley's past A/P/AVP work and missed that he did the cover art for the first "Hunters" series (which are probably the best drawn predators ever lol). So like everyone I'd rate the art a 10/10 whereas I'd rate the story an 8/10 which averages to an overall score of 9/10. Fun listen fellas.

Denver also served a great purpose of being a corpse brutally murdered by Alien. With his guts falling out, mmm I love it

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 19, 2021, 10:24:34 PM
Just finished listening and Hicks had mentioned Wheatley's past A/P/AVP work and missed that he did the cover art for the first "Hunters" series (which are probably the best drawn predators ever lol).

I completely forgot about Hunters 1! Good shout!

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 19, 2021, 10:24:34 PM
Listening to the podcast now and Xenomorphine and Voodoo keep getting caught up on Denver and his bird serving no purpose but the purpose was that Denver offers up a plan regarding explosives which the kids decide to pursue; also the bird distracts the alien allowing Tyler to sneak past it. Purpose served.

Our issue was less the purpose he was designated for, and more why important story elements that could better serve the story was discarded in lieu of that, in regards to lack of comic real estate and plotting out your story in a four issue tale.

QuoteStill listening but Voodoo sure is in full on #whinge mode on this one lol

#EmbraceTheWhinge   ;D

#No

Quote from: Kradan on Feb 20, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
#No

#WellShit

My written review is up: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood/

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 11:55:09 AM
My written review is up: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood/

"#TeamSkull"... you just had to throw that one in there.  :laugh:

Nice review Hicks! 'Twas a good read.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 20, 2021, 02:10:13 PM

Quote from: Kradan on Feb 20, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
#No

https://i.ibb.co/0F6FXCx/20210220-090735.gif

BwaaHaaaHaa, this gif... where? why? how!? lol. At least now we know why the Yautja are so fond of Earth. All I can hear in my head now is Gary's Busey's voice saying, "It's taken us over two weeks to learn his patterns. He comes here every two days to feed. Seems he has a taste for watermelon... "

I thought it was best to write here than send as a pm: Read the review coropral hicks made and its spot on with what I think of the comic after I read it. Well written and informative and fully agree on the ideas mentioned and its a good way for Dark horse to say farewell to the franchise.

The comic has great art, good ideas and new way of Androids to be used and built for, some nice stuff about the predator and having a xenomorph being as deadly and dangerous and not predator cannon fodder was so much fun to see and one get to be afraid of what it could do, can see why some predator fans dislike this comic, but in my eyes this one has it all, good writing, charachters, art, predator and alien fun, its biggest weakness is the front page which is a bit odd but else this is a true great comic. :D
Amongt my top 5 alien comics easily.

Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 05:09:57 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 20, 2021, 02:10:13 PM

Quote from: Kradan on Feb 20, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
#No

https://i.ibb.co/0F6FXCx/20210220-090735.gif

BwaaHaaaHaa, this gif... where? why? how!? lol. At least now we know why the Yautja are so fond of Earth. All I can hear in my head now is Gary's Busey's voice saying, "It's taken us over two weeks to learn his patterns. He comes here every two days to feed. Seems he has a taste for watermelon... "

LOL!

Yeah that's pretty good.