Ridley Scott Talks Prometheus, Giger, Beginning of Man and Original Alien

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Weezus Christ

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 24, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
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Hi, welcome to the forum.  :)

It's nice that you got so much from watching Alien but very little, if anything, of what you mentioned was intended by the writers or director.  Also, as fantastic as Alien is (it's my favourite film of all time), I don't really think that it can be described as a "complex" film.  It's really a by the numbers b-movie horror film in terms of plot but executed with great skill.

super glad my first post attracted its only reply from someone that obviously was on set when the movie was filmed and talked to everyone involved!

thats amazing!

Cant wait to read more of your posts!

ThisBethesdaSea

It IS an Alien prequel, without the classic aliens. I think this has been established for some time ;)

Deuterium

Deuterium

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Quote from: Weezus Christ on Dec 23, 2011, 07:09:32 AM
read just about every thread about prometheus on the forum.

very excited about the film.

nobody said what i would have said so i signed up to say it... haha


the first alien film is the only [real] alien film to me. one reason being it was a very spiritual and psychological film. the monster wasnt just an alien or an animal. it was an idea. the whole thing revolved around sexual fear and ripley's reluctance to marry or have children [her lack of a love interest and lack of feminine qualities as is contrasted by lambert]

the film worked so well because it wasnt about an alien. it was about human psychology and it raped the minds of the viewers and touched them in ways few things ever have. and the religious references/spiritual references were there as well. [although im not sure how much of them were intended].

the alien was very much a demon and the ship was a host body.

but i didnt come here to write a full analysis of my thoughts, i came to say that i completely agree with ridley scott when he [ripley/ridley?] says that this film will not have the alien and will not take from any film but the first one. in my opinion the alien as it should be only existed in the first one. and to have it outside the confines of the ship [the subconscious] would make it ineffective.

the new film is religious because if he does this one on the same themes as the first it will be fully psychological and use aliens and space ships only as metaphors. not really as concrete things that can be cloned as sequels. [hence why the alien sequels always never hit near the mark of what the first one represented]

and i guess my final point [if i have one, im sup way past my bed time lol] is that if the space jockeys and aliens are different from what is expected you should try thinking about them less in the vein of substance and more in the vein of the metaphorical and symbolic. if this film is anywhere near as complex as the first one then there may be a ton of things that wont look right from a glance but in the context of the story may be f**king brilliant.

i hope that made sense and i didnt mispell anything. lol. carry on! thanks for the reading material. i enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions.


Quote from: Weezus Christ on Jan 04, 2012, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 24, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
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Hi, welcome to the forum.  :)

It's nice that you got so much from watching Alien but very little, if anything, of what you mentioned was intended by the writers or director.  Also, as fantastic as Alien is (it's my favourite film of all time), I don't really think that it can be described as a "complex" film.  It's really a by the numbers b-movie horror film in terms of plot but executed with great skill.

super glad my first post attracted its only reply from someone that obviously was on set when the movie was filmed and talked to everyone involved!

thats amazing!

Cant wait to read more of your posts!

Weezus, your obviously put some thought and time into your post, and for people who want to read a deeper meaning into just about anything, then it certainly resonates.

However, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

And while I can understand the position (by many) that a lot of imagery and subtext in ALIEN involves sexual themes as well as rape...I think much of it has been over-blown in the months and years after the film was released.  I think that Ridley is even guilty of some of the revisionist interpretations.  I don't get the "religious" references you seem to find in the first film, however.  It always struck me as a pretty secular film, all and all.

ThisBethesdaSea

Again, as cited numerous times, Prometheus isn't out to answer everything in Alien...rather it's a spin-off prequel tied more to the Space Jockey race then anything else. Personally I don't need to know how Ash knew what he did. I'd like mystery to be left in the film.

Ash 937

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 04, 2012, 09:14:15 PM
Again, as cited numerous times, Prometheus isn't out to answer everything in Alien...rather it's a spin-off prequel tied more to the Space Jockey race then anything else. Personally I don't need to know how Ash knew what he did. I'd like mystery to be left in the film.

I think that part of the allure of any mystery though is that there is a chance it can be solved.  I guess the desire to know and not to know is a personal thing as you put it.  Do you also prefer not to know how the egg got on the Sulaco in Alien3? 

ThisBethesdaSea

Equating your last question with my assertion about needing to know how Ash knew what he knew is a stretch. Logic is entirely a different path. Everything should work logically (to some degree). The egg in the Sulaco needs a logical answer, and we're hard pressed to find one. The Ash knowledge issue has nothing to do with logic. We watched the events unfold on the Nostromo, and not Ash's personal history from before he arrived. It's a separate history.

St_Eddie

St_Eddie

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Quote from: Weezus Christ on Jan 04, 2012, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 24, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
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Hi, welcome to the forum.  :)

It's nice that you got so much from watching Alien but very little, if anything, of what you mentioned was intended by the writers or director.  Also, as fantastic as Alien is (it's my favourite film of all time), I don't really think that it can be described as a "complex" film.  It's really a by the numbers b-movie horror film in terms of plot but executed with great skill.

super glad my first post attracted its only reply from someone that obviously was on set when the movie was filmed and talked to everyone involved!

thats amazing!

Cant wait to read more of your posts!

There's no need to be a sarcastic git!  Afterall, I did welcome you to the forum! :'(

There's nothing wrong with making your own interpretations when watching a film.  Heck, that's partly what makes film such a fascinating medium but I don't think you should assume that your own personal interpretations were intended by the filmmakers, especially when there's been countless interviews with the filmmakers and not one has backed up your interpretations.

If you're really adamant that your personal thoughts are in line with the intent of the filmmakers then perhaps I should point you towards your own sarcastic wit...

Super glad that you're someone that obviously was on set when the movie was filmed and talked to everyone involved!

thats amazing!

ChrisPachi

ChrisPachi

#232
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 04, 2012, 09:39:02 PMThe Ash knowledge issue has nothing to do with logic. We watched the events unfold on the Nostromo, and not Ash's personal history from before he arrived. It's a separate history.

If Weyland Corp. was not in the new film at all then it doesn't matter, you can ponder it all you like and it doesn't really affect anything. I agree that Ash's own personal history is unimportant, but he is not acting on his own history, but a company directive, and while some of his decisions could of been informed by his own personality the overarching theme is that he is the puppet of a company order, not the company himself. IMHO this does require some degree of logic IF you are going to link the company with the alien civilization in a new story that occurs before the original events, which is what they have done.

And the egg on the Sulaco sprouted hands and walked there, kinda like the monster from Dark Star. It's all linked! ;D

-Chris


St_Eddie

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 04, 2012, 10:24:58 PM
... the egg on the Sulaco sprouted hands and walked there, kinda like the monster from Dark Star. It's all linked! ;D

Thanks for the mental image of Ripley hitting an egg with a broom!  :laugh:

EEV-2501



Weezus Christ

Weezus Christ

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Quote from: St_Eddie on Jan 04, 2012, 10:20:18 PM

especially when there's been countless interviews with the filmmakers and not one has backed up your interpretations.


actually they have done just that thing several times. not to mention the writer of the story has said...to paraphrase because im too lazy after lunch to copy paste the exact quote "this is a film about interspecies rape and taps into the male's fear of being orally raped"

dan o bannon also recommended giger for the art direction exactly for that reason. to say that there is nothing backing up my claim is to deny pretty much the entire film. lol

for a few things just off the bat the ship is called "mother" and the smaller ship detaches from the "umbilicus"

thats not counting the womb-like space jockey chamber and round womb-like area with an almost identical single person room in the "mother" console room.

then theres the inside of the ship being womb-like with soft flesh tones and no sharp edges and a nice humming sound as opposed to the ship's innards which were cold, sharp and filled with threatening sounds.

then theres the facehugger, a play on a doctor's hands grabbing a baby's head as it leaves a womb, another birth trauma point.

the alien's feminine body and penile head are so obvious they dont even need mentioning...

when ash tries to mimic the facehugger by shoving a magazine down ripley's throat she grabs at something that mimics one of those toy-dangly-things in a crib. the magazine is also a porno.

when the crew awaken from a womb-like room they are all wearing diapers...

the vaginal entrances to the derelict ship...

the xenomorph makes sounds that are eerily similar to a baby crying.

the entire film was meant to be cerebral and get in people's heads. no good director or producer explains every detail of their film, any successful work of art leaves itself intentionally vague to allow people to color in the lines of how they see it, but these are all things that work in tandem regardless of interpretation.


im actually getting bored of typing but the list goes on and on. i agree that alot of things can be speculated on as far as the film goes, which is why i enjoy it but thats all me just stating the obvious sets and motif of the film.

theres more going on as far as a religious undertone but im thats quite possibly just a coincidence and im still 'collating' about my thoughts on it. the alien was the son of the cain, which was a name chosen specifically, as well as the fact that cain was played by a man best known for his role as a drag queen in a film that was recently released before alien. also an intentional move by the director to tap into the sexual designs of the homosexual alien rape thing going on.

i could go on but im pretty sure its pointless... it certainly was not a by the numbers haunted house space film although it does have the appearance of one.

sorry for being sarcastic, i write long winded things and then get "NUH-UH" as a reply and i dont even see the point in a response at all. you have my attention, feel free to do something interesting with it. im all eyes. haha


excuse the rambling, im trying to stay awake and a bit coffeed out and kind of delirious haha

Valaquen

Quotethe alien was the son of the cain, which was a name chosen specifically, as well as the fact that cain was played by a man best known for his role as a drag queen in a film that was recently released before alien. also an intentional move by the director to tap into the sexual designs of the homosexual alien rape thing going on.
Most of the crew were named for baseball players (except for Ripley, who was named after the rather obvious "Ripley's Believe It Or Not," according to Walter Hill). John Hurt wasn't hired due to any drag queen role, but because the original Kane actor was too ill to continue, and Hurt was luckily nearby. Scott drove over to Hurt's house and pitched the movie, and Hurt started the next day. So no "intentional move by the director" to tap into anything. You can say that you feel this is the case, but don't put motives into Scott's hands. It's documented to not be the case.

Weezus Christ

"Hurt was Scott's first choice for the role"
-wikipedia.

and with that im done. i realized i shouldnt post anything at all without backing it up, but i feel like im wasting my time when even a quick wiki search to check your information would have yielded the same results.

if anyone wishes to contend with my ideas please post sources. thank you.


ThisBethesdaSea

The wiki report is quite frankly....wrong, as is so much on the internet. I'm reading A L I E N vault and it also backs up the claim that John Hurt was a last minute addition to the film.

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